Battle pass

[pearl comet]

From the last IMC minutes, we saw the proposal to tie our Illuvial collection to the upcoming battle pass. The idea is to have only finishes count and i presume a multiplier based on the completion rate

That’s a solid way to add utility to Illuvials, but I think it would be even better if stats were also taken into account imo

Instead of using completion rate, I’m proposing a leaderboard where your placement determines your multiplier. The strength of each Illuvial would be based on the upcoming TPI system (tied to hex stats and the Illuvial's nature)

Having stats matter and integrating it into a leaderboard would make it feel more like Beyond Collection, where players are incentivized to build the strongest collection possible

This would give Illuvials real utility for the first time and also prepare players for when Leviathan takes over

Option 1️⃣ Illuvial collection based on finishes, with a multiplier depending on completion rate

Option 2️⃣ Illuvial collection based on finishes and stats, with a multiplier based on leaderboard ranking

[marble ruin]

If we need a lot of time for that - so better to improve levi mode and fix bugs in this mode

[pearl comet]

The battle pass will get develop with or without this idea before leviathan in any case

[bronze flower]

Why not tie it to stage and tier? make literally every illuvial at least slightly worth buying, have a bunch of criteria for what gives points (rhamphy normal 10 points/rhamphy holo 20 points/DH 100 points), with an X points for x multilpier (1000 total points does x, 10000 does y - doesn't matter how a player gets to those points). This way you in theory make shitters worth buying for someone.

[silk terrace]

I think this is the idea. Something similar to what they did with the Beyond collection. But not sure cause we still haven't seen what the team has been cooking.

[bronze flower]

no reason you can't fit tpi in the points formula tbh, basically i don't know what the disadvantages of making everything at least slightly useful would be

[surreal sinew]

Holo and Dark Holo are only for collectors.
That’s purely aesthetics.

Stats are for practical use.

Taking stats into account is reasonable;
taking color into account is strange.

[silk terrace]

you do realize it's called illuvial album collection right?

I think everyone knows by now that you have a strong TPI collection Winnie, you don't need to be constantly trying to push your agenda.

[bronze flower]

there's no way stats should have more weight than color in something that's not the gameplay itself

[silk terrace]

Patate I would vote on a 3rd option that doesn't include leaderboard ranking. IMO the Battle Pass points multiplier should be based solely on the collection. And then the quality of the loot boxes you farm would be tied to your leaderboard ranking.

[surreal sinew]

Patate started the discussion, and I’m participating in it.
I’m not forcing anyone to talk to me.

[brisk loom]

“This would give Illuvials real utility for the first time and also prepare players for when Leviathan takes over.”
Yes, that’s exactly the situation. Thanks for opening this feedback.

Option 2 will make most of the people who have been here for a long time and still trust the project happy… At the same time, when the marketing campaign starts, it will become a valuable component that encourages new players coming here not only for Leviathan but also to build an Illuvial collection

[pearl comet]

So including stats but still have it as completion instead of lb?

[silk terrace]

yes

[pearl comet]

Why do you prefer completion over lb?

Imo the lb aspect adds extra competition and incentive itself

[silk terrace]

it's ez, because then the higher rankings earn a ton of points and the lower rankings barely make points.

I think the two things should be separate like I mentioned before.

[deep river]

I like this idea but make a collection leaderboard anyways even without rewards, I personally would love the status it would give and it would incentivize me to get a stronger collection just for being competitive in this lb

That's a terrific idea btw @pearl comet 👌

[gusty hamlet]

I have to restrain myself from posting the meme

[silk terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-royale-leaderboard-run-time-kowalski-gif-8208167583080481972

[deep river]

If we're talking about a multiplier for arena rewards it makes sense to take stats only or to give more weight to stats because it is aligned with our desire to have strong collections for leviathan

Giving more utility to holo and dark holo is nice but since they are not related to gameplay then most players will feel incentivized to buy them even if they don't really want them

I don't know what's the best thing to do but Winnie's idea isn't to be shrugged off just because he has a strong collection imo

[silk terrace]

go say that to @signal hound who has been crafting the sickest DH max stat illuvials.

I'm not neglecting what Winnie said, I'm just of the opinion that everything should count. And anyone that has high TPI illuvials and no H/DH finishes has a bias in this discussion.

[deep river]

Will he play arena?

Once again I'm not against giving value to holo and dark holo but those who collect them seem to be a different population than those who compete in the arena

[silk terrace]

because there's no value atm besides their rarity. But things would change if we give them some use cases.

[deep river]

I suggest to give them a value that's more aligned with what a DH collector would want: status
Maybe make the ranger more dark holo the more DH illuvials you have, make a leaderboard that's taking color into account

[silk terrace]

why not start by simply showing your H/DH illuvials even in the normal Gauntlet Arena mode?

[deep river]

An idea that just crossed my mind: you could give those who have a strong DH collection a preferential matchmaking up to a certain rank so that whales can enjoy crushing noobs without making them reach rank 1 this way

In World of Tanks some premium tanks offer preferential matchmaking and it works fine

[silk terrace]

seems a bit P2W to my taste. I think collectors would just be happy to simply have a boost in their rewards due to their collection.

and this includes both finish and TPI collectors

[deep river]

That's totally P2W and it makes sense to implement P2W elements in a game where your perfect stat Rhamphyre will cost thousands of dollars
Maybe specific to leviathan to make it more coherent

[silk terrace]

ah yeah Leviathan is totally P2W that would be fine. But that's also why that game mode is bad in my opinion 😅

you play perfectly but still lose cause your opponent has a bigger wallet. Very fun.

[deep river]

If the playerbase is big enough you can also beat up players who play better than you with a stronger collection even if your collection is just decent
Axie had a huge playerbase right? However they didn't have an F2P mode I think

Caveat: gauntlet doesn't seem to be a good game for P2W elements

[silk terrace]

yes exactly, the problem is the game mode, cause you still have access to everything for free. If ownership was required to play it would be way better. Like Ascendant was.

[deep river]

The solution is to have other games more adapted to ownership and P2W elements 🧠
Games where you only need something like 3-6 illuvials in your team to play PVP would be great

Once the new generation of big AIs are out I might try to vibe code a pokemon like game for Illuvium
The tech will probably not be intelligent enough but who knows

[spice canyon]

why would we not factor in holo and dark holo? we had the same thought for Alphas in beyond and no one really cares about Alphas. If holos and dark holo gave us "points" it would make the low stat holos more desirable otherwise they are useless even though they are rare

[surreal sinew]

Because dark Illuvials and strong Illuvials are assets for different player audiences.

Visual effects and rarity are great assets for collectors.
Maxed stats and high levels are perfect for competitive modes.

[toxic lotus]

doesn't the rarity of dark holo make it pretty much pointless to integrate into a collection or a multiplier of any kind?
like currently there are

• 1.8m total illuvials minted
• DH T0 = 1355
• DH T1 = 6196
• DH T2 = 544
• DH T3 = 2171
• DH T4 = 321
• DH T5 = 49

[silk terrace]

why is it pointless? I know you know how many arena players there are atm. And you specifically picked DHs what about Hs?

[toxic lotus]

cause i don't think it's a good idea bringing a collection/multiplier live and at the same time basically telling people you don't have to worry about them, you won't have them anyways.
Cause DH are more rare, so it makes sense to get their numbers.
or you wana just make it with holos if dark holos would be too rare? i don't think so 🙂

[silk terrace]

no it's for both finishes ofc, each with a corresponding bonus tied to its rarity. And you make it sound like there's not going to be more DH illuvials minted.

as I said for the current arena player base except from the T5s there's basically DHs for everyone

[toxic lotus]

i never said that, and it also shouldn't sound like that. idk why one would think that.
I talk about rarity and explicitly listed the total amount minted

[toxic lotus]

not at all... there are many dupes.

or you talking about 1 dh for each player?

then yea, theres enough 🙂

[silk terrace]

I'm not but even if there isn't DHs for everyone, that's actually a good thing. Rarity is a thing you know?
If everyone has max multiplier then what's even the point of the multiplier.

[toxic lotus]

i'm not saying everyone should get a full dh collection
but if you do a collection/mulitplier there should be more than 1 possible full collection

[silk terrace]

which there is lol

[toxic lotus]

yea? how many full collections are there currently possible?

[silk terrace]

why should I know lol

[toxic lotus]

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[silk terrace]

you'll have to look it up

there's definitely 1 DH of each that I know

[toxic lotus]

yea?

link me for example a dark holo dualeph?

[silk terrace]

that might be the only 1

[toxic lotus]

then link me dark holo ophisto, octius

[silk terrace]

the T5S3 are extremely rare we know Spoon

dude there were dark holo octius in the past and some1 might have tried to gambled them

you proved your point T5 DH are rare, congratulations. Doesn't change the fact that the others are more available.

[toxic lotus]

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i feel you totally missed my point

nvm

[silk terrace]

yes totally missed it 🙂

we can't include DHs in the multiplier cause there's not a single entire DH collection.

[toxic lotus]

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[silk terrace]

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[surreal sinew]

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[silk terrace]

So following the train of thought I guess we also can't incorporate TPI cause there's no full perfect stat collections.

[pearl comet]

Doesnt matter if no one has the ultimate max multiplier

Also if we go with multiplier via lb it matters even less

No one can have max points in beyond

[lapis edge]

If we want to have the most optimal structure, stats and levels (if they remain) should absolutely be part of the multiplier.

1. that way people not interested in the p2w aspect of Leviathan still have a purpose to build and improve their collection
2. will slowly gear up people towards Leviathan
3. more impact against multi accounting

Ideally we should have a combination of collection + leaderboard rewards and collection + battle pass rewards, as both work and incentivize different things in players.

Although in my opinion tying the battle pass to the collection is weird, usually you just buy it and if you play enough games you complete it. But if that's what the team wanna do 🤷‍♂️

[toxic lotus]

completely different story.... it's not a have or don't have question.
Every illuvial has stats, so everyone has something to improve and can be improved with every pack opening and build towards a goal.
With the first pack you open you are in the game.

[bronze flower]

if you make everything do something for the multiplier(DH/H/TPI/Tier/Stage) how can it ever be bad, just let the player choose what he wants to do

[trim juniper]

What are your thoughts on this idea ?

Unlock progression and enhanced rewards for players who own Illuvials.

Key Features:
• Exclusive cosmetic rewards
• Custom Illuvitar borders
• Stat bonuses in MMO Lite
...

Owning Illuvials becomes a gateway to both visual prestige and in-game advantages, driving deeper engagement across multiple games within the Illuvium Universe — and creating stronger, lasting incentives to collect, invest, and compete.

[signal hound]

Any kind of cosmetic reward is a complete no brainer. Not convinced on stat boosts though.

[pearl comet]

What do you mean by stats bonuses? Illuvials already have stats

[trim juniper]

The player will need to reach a specific level on the Battle Pass to obtain an item required in a recipe within MMO Lite. This item will likely grant stat bonuses, which is what I was referring to.

[surreal sinew]

I don't want to criticize, but I'm not very fond of this idea.

Illuvial stats are untouchable.
You can only get them through runs in Overworld or ADR.

[pearl comet]

Seems weird to have stat boost over stats so id say no on this but yes the rest

[trim juniper]

I'm not talking about illuvials stats.... but items for the ranger.

It was just a proposition guys. We can pass if needed.

[surreal sinew]

Got it. Regarding the ranger’s stats — I can’t provide constructive feedback because we have very little information about the MMO.
If there was a product given to us for testing, I’d be happy to share my thoughts.
So for now, I’ll leave the idea without any feedback.