🎮〕illuvium-beyond

[languid star]

Ha. Yeah. Rhamphyre is the last one I’m missing. But that Ophisto was pricey for my wallet. I’ll have to do more bonding.

[cedar anchor]

Is there a way to also decline offers? Most of the ones I get are not real offers and, like you said, they stay in there forever. The ability to 'decline' the offer would help them go away.

[cedar anchor]

Bonding is the key! I'm trying to sell as much as I can that I don't need so I can have some funds to pay for wave 3!! Self-perpetuating spending!!

So, the floor price of tier 0 illuvitars doubled on IMX since yesterday. Is there some new use for them (like burning to mint something else, etc) or just someone buying them up for resale?

[frank pier]

yeah, staying on the leaderboard is like walking up the down escalator! Can't imagine the impact wave 3 will have with all those new slots....

[languid star]

You’ll be able to burn them for something called substance. We don’t know what that utility will be yet though. @frosty knot just mentioned it on X

[languid star]

Yeah I don’t know how much longer I can keep up 😬

[frank pier]

it's the real arms race lol

but that ophisto will be worth something for quite a while...unbonded? If so I wouldn't bond it even for the points...well except teir 5 acc.

[frank pier]

so from 20 cents to 50 cents? 🙂
But actually I see everything firming up for some reason...I used to make the floor with zero holos and now for the most part they are all over ten and even some in the 20's now.

[languid star]

Yup. No plans to bond that. I feel like it should hold its value or go up from here.

[frank pier]

good bet considering less of them than rhamps

and unbonded should be more of a collector piece than bonded in almost all cases

[languid star]

It’s funny though. I cringe to spend 200$ on groceries. Then I’m like 1300$ Ophisto LFG

[cedar anchor]

😂 from 9 cents to 18 cents, but at 50 cents I'll be a seller for sure!!

[frank pier]

right??? lol but it's an investment....and the kids can have cereal for all meals 😉

[frank pier]

for sure!

[languid star]

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-cereal-adventure-time-eating-jake-gif-4522125

[frank pier]

and then just show them pictures of their inherintence in illuvitars 😉

"some day this will all be yours!"

[languid star]

Ohh I tell my daughter all the time. We’re going to be rich and it’ll all be yours some day!

[frank pier]

lol maybe year, but yeah 😉

But she probably thinks they are cute I bet

be nice if they got the stuffed versions out

[cedar anchor]

I'm not sure I'll keep up much longer either. Lots of new people seem to have a lot of money to spend to get higher. I have to keep bonding more and more every week to stop from falling on the leaderboard.

[frank pier]

you got it...I'm in the 20's and I keep upgrading and I keep slipping so they are spending some serious money

[languid star]

Not sure if you see anything on X. But Artimis sent over a holo wink with a pink background because it was her favorite.

[frank pier]

no I don't do X...can you post it here?

[cedar anchor]

Which you would think would increase their value.... but other than the quick uptick of tier 0, I haven't really seen that.

[frank pier]

that is so cute lol...I think those and the polar bears are adorable

[languid star]

Yup. She like mjole too

[frank pier]

yeah, I don't know if they are buying collections, there were some for sale, but I have seen some higher tiers being bought

[cedar anchor]

That's awesome!!!

[frank pier]

will you get the plushies when they come out?

[languid star]

Yup. Will fill her bed with them. And need one for the background of my videos too

[frank pier]

and word on when? be nice for open beta

could do surprisingly well

[topaz zodiac]

I hope by christmas

[languid star]

Honestly haven’t heard anything about merch in a long time

[topaz zodiac]

we got to see a few examples sooo I hope soon

my money is ready for plushies

[languid star]

I tried to tag you above but it wasn’t letting my find you for some reason.

[frank pier]

she plays hard to get 😉

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/ninjaa-gif-21386720

[frank pier]

but if they plushies every have a voice it has to be yours 🙂

[topaz zodiac]

Dreams, voice acting is sooo something I want to get into some day

[frank pier]

well maybe the netflix movie 🙂

ILV's

you have sweet dolce tones...not a phrase I've used before lol

[topaz zodiac]

LOLZ

funny, in college I worked at a Lazer Tag place that did like a zombie invasion for Halloween and I played a Drill Sargent

Little 5'2" me yelling at full grown men it was the best time ever

https://tenor.com/view/angry-beating-gif-24531604

[frank pier]

seems like an oxymoron with your demeanor...maybe you could be an actor 🙂

[topaz zodiac]

I did go to school for it, well at least for the first two years.

[runic glade]

i added a small feature if you wanna see how people are moving up/down in the leaderboard vs previous weeks

[alpine dew]

you did have one of those.....

[languid star]

Funny how that works huh.

[alpine dew]

do u ever regret selling?

[meager garden]

it's in the proposal, it gives the team liberty to adjust it as they seem fit:
"Having a minimal interval between waves is important but it will be up to the team to decide on that."

[broken notch]

100 Standart D1sk are up for sale for the price of 3 IMX. You can find them in the official market immutable, section D1sk, select IMX in the filter.

[languid star]

Never. Without selling that I wouldn’t have been able to stay top100 this whole time.

[smoky verge]

How many ilv did you grind?

[frank pier]

and for most people getting lucky on a disc opening is the only way to be on the leaderboard....it is something we lose with the long delay between waves.

[astral ermine]

@onyx briar can you make it that the estimated value adapt to the collection filters? For example if i filter only wave 1 that only the est. value for wave 1 show up?

[onyx briar]

Due to the interconnected nature of the neural network model, it draws conclusions from a broad dataset, making specific filter-based estimations challenging.

I will chat with our guy that works closely with it though and see what he thinks.

[astral ermine]

ah ok ye no worries i thought you could do it easily

[languid star]

.5 a week the entire time. Something like 22. Wasn’t really keeping track.

[bleak crown]

looks like the team liquid illuvitar pricing is fixed now on IM, thank u!

[tepid geyser]

@runic glade Curious as to what the golden heart signifies? 👀 😊

[inner quest]

I think the rewards should be higher, for someone like me who is in the top 50 having 1 ILV as a reward per week is too little... someone like me who has bought a lot to recover the cost of a single card takes two months.. . even worse for those in position between 51 and 100 to recover the average value of a card they need 4 months... the rewards are too low and should also be extended at least up to position 200, if not up to 500, then Yes, yes, interest would increase and market sales would also increase. With the current system I'm also considering selling my album as readyplayerone

I would have to buy at least one ophisto and one ramphyre, but considering their minimum price on the market and the current reward system, just to recover the cost of one ophisto it would take a year and two months... if I also buy a ramphyre, I would have need three years of premiums to break even.... hoping I can hold on to place 28 like today... but going three years without spending $1 would mean demoting to position 300...

[runic glade]

lol it's nothing, just an indicator of the total value of the illuvitars people sent to the donation address. it goes golden, sparking red heart, normal red heart, slightly less red heart

[inner quest]

so this reward system doesn't work... and I haven't even calculated the costs for the accessories.. however I also accept offers for my album, SIGNORILE position 28

[serene python]

I don't think the Intention of the leaderboard is to Fund your collection. It's more of a little incentive and bragging rights.
Nonetheless, there is an iip going to increase the rewards and range of Players who get rewarded.

[runic glade]

you're competing with collectors who are here for the long term and view their illuvitars as assets that may increase in value should illuvium succeed. not everyone is here for a quick roi, I think that may be a small minority of those who are in the top 50ish. so it makes sense that people who are purely interested in a fast break-even would slowly derank over time and give way for others more interested in the long term. i don't think there's anything wrong with the current reward structure.

[frank pier]

can you link that? And also of course the price of ILV changes so if it hits 1k by year end as some predict, that changes all the math

do not give up hope yet 😉

[serene python]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1196987941717815296

It's in #1024051771624136774 as iip-46 and got approved by ICC and 2 votes down from IMC

[frank pier]

thanks didn't know any of this lol

I'll go read it in full

[frank pier]

ok guess I had heard some of this in videos but glad it's moving forward

[vague void]

I'm interested some of your accessories... Interested in some land? Feel free to hmu

[vague void]

Looks like you got some new Illuvitrs

[inner quest]

hi, sorry, I was exchanging accessories and cards... I no longer have the two 20x accessories... but I'm still happy if we can help...

[vague void]

Ahh got it. I do need the obelisk cigar and black quantum collar if you still have those.

[inner quest]

write me in private..

[cedar anchor]

Anyone know who Cryptolic#4385 is on Discord? I'm interested in one of their items.

[past tundra]

Seems like maybe @indigo skiff

Maybe not

[cedar anchor]

Worth a shot. Thanks!!

[fathom lintel]

The leaderboard rewards were never meant to cover the whole cost of your collection. There is also a major flaw in your calculation: when you buy an illuvitar for $200, you are not at a negative $200, you are at 0, since you now own the card that's worth $200. When you recoup your $200 investment from the ILV rewards, you are not at 0, the entire value of your card is now pure profit, since you can sell it.

The other major consideration is ILV price. You were calculating how long it takes to recoup your investment with the current market price, but no one is forcing you to sell your ILV rewards now. If you wait until the token price goes up (a likely case if you believe in the successful launch of the game) then the time it takes to recoup your investment can shorten drastically. Not to mention the value of your collection going up at the same time.

So I think the current reward system is very reasonable, it would just need to be extended to rewar more people but I think this will happen as we expand.

[frank pier]

ok, simple investment math: Say your collection is worth 5 eth, so $15,000 (and doubt most people paid what their collection is "worth"). Your ILV weekly payout in top 50 is 1 ILV so for simplicity's sake, let's say $100 a week x 52 weeks= $5,200. Divide $5,200 by $15,000 and you have a return on investment of 35% a year! Good luck finding these kind of consistent returns anywhere else. And ILV can go up, and your collection can go up (notice can, no guarantee of anything and dyor). And they are beautiful art on top of it. Yes, you have to keep investing either ILV cash flow or outside assets to maintain your top 50 spot, but this is an incredible opportunity, and we should be grateful. Beyond has been very important for filling the safety pool for Illuvium and maintaining some excitement in the ecosystem, and Illuvium has been very good in supporting the Beyond project. Win, win.

[inner quest]

I agree with you in part... I was among the first to believe in illuvium, I bought the token for 700 dollars and I lost a lot... I invested a lot in beyond, much more than 15,000 dollars... just since August to date I have spent on average over 1,500 dollars a month... even more... then there is wave 1 and the lands to consider, my investment has been much higher than you can imagine. I didn't invest to make money, but logically a higher prize system and a longer ranking will certainly bring more interest for everyone. Then as in everything there are those who collect for pure taste, those who collect for future value and those who buy and sell parts for pure speculation, so the correct reasoning would be to bring all figures closer to illuvium.

sorry for my translated english

anyway I thank Alexa for her help... if it wasn't for her I would have started selling all my pieces

[cerulean quartz]

I cannot see any sleeve for Devious Virtuous Zephyrlynx and Arcane Hydrolynx, where do they fit in ?

thanks !

[tepid geyser]

You need to click the classes to reveal the other album slots.

[cerulean quartz]

ok let me check

[smoky verge]

Càsually flexing that T5 S3 bg nimble linx. What a beauty haha

[tepid geyser]

Hehe, I do love that one 😍

[fathom frigate]

Perhaps they will do a special beyond drop in over world each year

[latent willow]

rofl this is so funny it makes me wanna cry xD

[runic glade]

mistakes were made... no wave 2s made it on that list though, seems we've learned

[latent willow]

hey man really great job doing this tool for the community. great props to you my friend keep up the good job 💪

[runic glade]

thanks! lmk if there's any more features you'd like to see

[urban stratus]

hmm might be cool to be on there as the single wave 2 crime 🤪

[runic glade]

hmm an honorary crime against wave 2, i shall see

[runic glade]

slap on the wrist kinda crime that is. need to find a wave 2 that deserves jail time

lemme tweak the algorithm, not finding anything at all for wave 2.

one candidate

hypnotic ace

charged synalph

we might have some candidates here

should find somewhere to display this spoiled brat too. not even rare, just a puppy earth doka with max accessories

[astral ermine]

that one is the only rare alpha ophisto that is jail time worthy

[astral ermine]

@tepid geyser statement

[tepid geyser]

The Earth Doka is my personal favourite tier 0 😊
This particular example is a 1 of 1 and the rarest wave 1 Alpha Earth Doka to exist.
Looking back, not too sure why I bonded it though 😅

[meager garden]

Since removing the price multiplier for alphas wasn't really that well received I'm presenting this new idea.
Go share your thoughts:
#1210912460119478292 message

[frank pier]

has anyone heard a specific date for wave 3 to start???? Be nice if they just pick one at some point....

[topaz zodiac]

Hey 😂 I thought my ace was ballin 😎

[runic glade]

ballin, but the strongest ace minted might've deserved better accessories haha

[topaz zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/benstiller-dodgeball-touche-gif-4645075

[smoky verge]

it's not bad at all. it's the strongest possible version of that expression so this is now forever the strongest Puppy earth Doka 🙂

[meager garden]

To everyone who voted for longer wave duration, I wrote a proposal for it in case you're not aware... Feels like this break in the Beyond waves numbed a bit our community.
#1207640261451317288 message

[frank pier]

I think they are making a huge mistake not setting a date for wave 3 and relatively soon, like March. There has a been a big drop off in all parts of Beyond understandably; this is not just a leaderboard game, but disk opening and trading illuvitars is a big component and very profitable to the Dao also I would point out.

[meager garden]

the date is not set but it will likely be around 1 month prior to the OB launch which is an unknown since we don't know when the OB launch will be

[frank pier]

exactly my point...and wave 3 is ready to go, let it go..we have waited long enough. There are even rumors of open beta not launching till late 2nd qtr or even 3rd qtr...this would be a disaster for beyond.

[meager garden]

there are some changes coming to wave 3 that are still to be implemented so let's not rush it and capitalize this pause the most we can

[frank pier]

and what is the capitalize of which you speak? You could still set a March date and all the proposals should be done by then...what else does the council have to work on right now? Backroom operations are busy, yes, but council? Geter done!

[meager garden]

the dual leaderboard or the individual stretch goals for example, still hasn't been approved and after they are it will take some time for the team to implement it

[frank pier]

what is the delay?

[meager garden]

back-end and front-end work

[meager garden]

just the time governance takes to deal with the proposals

it's the best we have can't really complain... Much better than a centralized company where we the players have no saying in anything

[frank pier]

and I assume you mean to implement the proposals...couldn't this be done by the end of March?

[frank pier]

lol not sure of this..but we shall see...rather have the founding team implementing decisions my self 😉

Democracy barely works in the "real" world, not sure its ready for crypto lol

Anyway, thanks for at least being responsive, unlike even the mods lately, and trying to make it better.

[pseudo pagoda]

Silv2 usable on 3 wave?

[surreal pecan]

Yep, except it looks like it’s eth only for the promos disks

[ionic stratus]

Can someone list some accessories at normal prices plz 😂😂 I have been opening disks randomly in hope of accessories. Not a good strategy

[hazy juniper]

Fck I gotta open me a d1sk

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

Ah got nothing good

[past tundra]

Hmmm maybe it’s time to sell some of my goodies

It’s not like I’ll be getting high on the board.

[remote saddle]

accessories prices have gone up? cant remember what they used to be lol

[past tundra]

I suspect illuvialmaster will know

[frank pier]

they need to at least make megas have a better acc. distribution..it

is the last thing they need to fix with disks

[frank pier]

indeed they have...and actually overall prices have bounced

[remote saddle]

too lazy to list all my 8.75% accessories one by one lol

[tepid geyser]

Me too. Hoping for the "substance" burn mechanism to get rid of all of the unwanted ones and turn them into something useful 🤞.

[hazy juniper]

Someone swept everything

[hazy juniper]

Illuvialmaster has bulk listing I thought, maybe not yet

[remote saddle]

they do which is what i usually use but i have to confirm on ledger for each one lol... yah im lazy

[sharp sigil]

The bulk listing feature has some bugs in some instances. I tried doing it multiple times and it only worked couple of times out of 10 times i tried. Is it something known to IM?

[hazy juniper]

Ah shit, u could bulk transfer the lot to a hot wallet, list on there then send the eth back later

[hazy juniper]

Not sure, welcome to provide me feedback with specifics and I can check

[sharp sigil]

Basically, i tried selecting multiple illuvitars and click on bulk list button and selecting lowest option and ideally it should popup IMX window with approvals on each selected illuvitars but it just popup IMX with blank page with no content on it. I had to keep trying with new incognito window and keep repeating steps and it works once in a while... am i doing anything wrong in my process?

[hazy juniper]

That's super unusual.

@onyx briar thoughts?

[onyx briar]

I think this happens if something you listed does not have an exact match floor price. We can't list it 5% below a value we don't have. So it breaks out. I should implement a way for you to see everything before you submit and be able to remove or change prices.

[sharp sigil]

That explains why it was keep failing. I might have selected different combination in my attempts and it worked with 2 attempts where IM has floor pri e for all and it worked and failed for other attempts because it might have one or more without the floor price...

[frank pier]

thanks for offering such a wonderful tool...and for free! Glad to send you unwanted Illuvitars like I do the other app if you want to offer that option also

and nice to see some new listings on Illuvidex and that prices have firmed up 🙂

[sharp sigil]

Is it possible to have an option to select +5% 10% 15% or 20% on floor price similar to what we have now as -5% -10% ...?

[onyx briar]

Ya I can look to add that in

[calm cedar]

Sold for 0.029

Sold for 0.022

Don't you love irony. A lesson well learned that trying to to make something exclusive by making it overpriced does nothing.

Rare things will, by definition, be the things that people don't buy.

[tepid geyser]

If I could make a suggestion 😊 .

Would it be possible to recognise each tier 5 stage 2 background as unique when calculating Exact Matches.
As of now, all of the attached will display with Eaxct match 9, even though there are 3, 5 & 1 respectively.
Would be good to see 9 total, exact match 1 for example on the galaxy background.

It's not a big deal and certainly no game changer, but would be nice to see.

A breakdown of colour would be nice across all backgrounds really, but may be seen as overkill, not sure.

[tepid geyser]

Whilst I do tend to agree, there are a lot of variables at play with both of these promos that I don't believe that it is that clear cut.

[calm cedar]

Here's an example without promos.

Making 50% over losing 66%.

[lofty rover]

I bought a load of these disk way back when and opened them and not done anything with them ,is there any tutorial or instructions anywhere to help a noob please ?

[latent willow]

That really isnt comparable due to the oversupply on wave 1 disks

[calm cedar]

What oversupply. Wave 1 had limited supply, wave 2 was unlimitted mint.

There was an attempt to make wave 1 rare by making it expensive.

It failed miserably.

[astral ermine]

this makes much sense here since stacked is much less worth than galaxy and scattered

[runic glade]

probably don't trust anyone who dm's you. second figure out if you wanna compete in the leaderboard for rewards or hold/sell whatever you have. some helpful sites: illuvialmaster.com/marketplace/illuvitar to browse the marketplace, illuvialmaster.com/collection where you can see the value of your wallet and illuvium-beyond-leaderboard.vercel.app/ to get an idea of what it takes to make it to the leaderboard + reward distribution info

[lofty rover]

Thank you for your reply ,there must be some training videos surley ? I mean i dont even know what to do with accesories whats all this bonding stuff about 😂 everyone has to start somewhere if we want more new users right ?

[fathom lintel]

You can't compare the two waves 1 to 1. The first one was a shot in the dark, no one had an idea of how the sale numbers will look and a lot of people speculated on the first disks ever. By the second wave, everyone could see the numbers from the first one and not make the same mistake again. You are isolating 1 aspect and saying it's all about the price but there are many other factors. One of the biggest ones is that at the time of the wave 1 alpha sale we had no idea of leaderboard rewards, but by the wave 2 sale, it was obvious that normal disks are a better investment for those going for rewards. Wave 2 alpha sales went accordingly.

[calm cedar]

Let us then examine the rarity the council decided to impose on the mega disks by pricing them 5x the standard disks.

And the non-alpha ones.

It's clear that artifical manipulation of prices is not accomplishing what it was advertised to do.

[onyx briar]

I will check with our dev that works with the modal as this is a backend change to the modal that might be a bigger lift. But I will check for sure.

[fathom lintel]

Again, this was the first sale and a shot in the dark since no one knew what the sales numbers will be. People bought the megas first because in the past, higher value gaming nfts often had the best return and they speculated that this will be the case here too.

In hindsight, its easy to see that sales numbers for wave 1 alphas were overestimated, but hindsight is 20/20.

We all agree now that the 5x multiplier was too much, but the council clearly learned from this data and brought it down to 2x for the second sale. What's your point of bringing this up now?

[tepid geyser]

No worries. I appreciate you looking into it 👍 .

[calm cedar]

I'll kinda disagree with you here, because before wave 1 we had huge discussion threads. And many of these concerns were raised. There were people who knew 5x was too much from the start. There were people who knew trying to make something extra special by making it expensive is not how markets work.

Just a little bit of research shows that there are free mint nft projects which appreciate more than paid projects. This proves that trying to set the price does nothing. What's important is the product and the community you gather.

Now we have #1209995492113518633 discussions again. We're still trying to patch this bad system up. And who knows how many people were priced out of the beyond game, because of this.

These ideas/pricing did not drop from the sky. There were people who advocated and voted to approve these numbers. And the proposal passed 5-0.
This is a big "I told you so".

[sick dock]

I think if price was lower there would be more wave 1 alphas , and am happy to see that my alphas can become more rare when more people comes to beyond 👁️‍🗨️

[frank pier]

As alphas have no real value to me I wouldn't buy an alpha disk unless it was the same price as non-alpha and we've already had the kabash put on adding some value to them as related to the leaderboard or future card game, so extra benefit is limited except as some sort of collectable feature. which seems enough to keep creating them. That being said, I have been putting in offers for alphas in the marketplace for a dollar or so from wave one and getting some of them lol.....at that price the risk seems minimal 😉

[sick dock]

You can only make offers to someone by illuvimaster no ? Or how you do ?

[latent willow]

Tokentrove

[meager garden]

you can actually make offers on the illuvidex now, illuvium's official marketplace.

[sick dock]

Right thx I will check that , I didn’t seen the option

[meager garden]

you can only put offers on already listed items

[fathom lintel]

Ah I see, in this case it looks like you were right back in the day 🙂 I guess this comes with the DAO structure. Most suggestions will have people arguing for different outcomes and most people will not have their way. Those of us with an opinion will have to get used to this. Sometimes we will get it right and sometimes we will be outvoted. I expect government to be even messier as we grow.

[fathom lintel]

I'm curious why would you calculate profit in ETH? We still pay taxes and pay for groceries in fiat so it makes sense to me to calculate profit/loss in fiat too.

[calm cedar]

Fair point. It was easier. Maybe I should try and do the USD amount, but I doubt many people bridged their ETH to L1 and then changed it to USD. So I was thinking it will just look different, but in practice will not be.

I think of it this way. If I used immediate USD to change to eth/silv2 then it makes sense to look at the dollar value of the disk, but if you used ETH/sILV2 you had from before your cost basis might be vastly different as those said tokens could have gone up or down.

You could otherwise end up in a situation in which you buy a disk at $50, then sell when the disk costs $100, but in ETH amount you can be down. If you don't immediately go to a stablecoin.

And you might think you're in profit but in fact if ETH pumps you're at a loss.

[fathom lintel]

Yes, it can get messy and near impossible to calculate profit because people can have different entry price for their ETH. My thinking is this: if you buy ETH at $1800 and sell it at $3000, would you say you are in profit? Most people would answer yes (because they calculate profit in dollars). And if this is the case, then why would it be different if you park your ETH in a disk? The ETH value can remain the same or even go lower but you can still sell it for more dollars and I'm certainly not thinking about it as a loss. Maybe it's just me, I guess everyone can have their own way of thinking about this 🙂

[errant laurel]

I love these Kukkas! 😍

[smoky verge]

@runic glade in the Illuvitar workshop, you have Bandana under Bodywear and headwear 🙂

[pearl olive]

anyone having trouble doing transactions on illuvidex? getting a imx error

[fathom lintel]

the same here, looks like an api error

[pearl olive]

good to know its not on my end!

[runic glade]

thanks, fixed! am glad to hear someone's using that feature heh

[spare temple]

unable to buy accessories from token trove or illuvidex rn, 5003 error, tried all the resets and log in and out

[runic glade]

IMX is having issues you can check the status here status.immutable.com/

[smoky verge]

Its a great feature! I dont think a lot of people have been aware is all 🙂

[rich elm]

Anyone knows what the plan is with the album rewards? Thought they would be going active in wave 2 and arena beta but that never happened. Is it scheduled to be released with open beta?

[meager garden]

album completion rewards come with the OB yes

[crimson thorn]

Hey, so I have a pretty wicked collection of Alpha Illuvitars, but I’m mostly interested to see them build a card game and card collections out of the illuvitars… is this in the works by devs or will the card game be separate from illuvitars? Anyone have information on this topic?

[topaz zodiac]

Last I heard Johnny had a proposal put together but they’re waiting to release the first three titles in open beta before proposing and committing to new games.

[frank pier]

sounds like one will be coming but probably not till next year and may be a blend of illuvitars and illuvials (they want them to be used in every game)...I would love one now also 🙂

[frank pier]

nice to see beyond will be getting air dropped!!!

[astral ermine]

we got airdrops every single day here

[frank pier]

lol...yeah what do we do with that crap 😉 Wish they would allow transfers to a dead wallet

But on kierans youtuve vid yesterday he laid out love for beyond and glad to see it...now if we'd ever get a wave three date locked in 😉

[meager garden]

that's what I do

[frank pier]

does imx have a way to send those?

[meager garden]

beta.imxtrade.io/transfer

[frank pier]

sweet..thanks..hell just send them back to the wallet they came from 😉

[meager garden]

they are minted into your account so there's no one to send it back to

[frank pier]

do you have a dead walle?

[meager garden]

I send to an old one of mine

[worldly prawn]

Wow the top 100 leaderboards are pretty active, I was #93, and didn't look for a few days and got knocked to #98 lol, luckily I had a bid go through for teared up gamestop krunk and it boosted me back to #95...crazy to see so many people with awesome collections!

[frank pier]

yeah even top 50 had some big jumps...and nice buy on the gs krunk...I think they will be gold some day

someone liquidated their album also

[worldly prawn]

Yeah thank you, I got it $280 and the next floor price is over 1k

[frank pier]

if the next promo goes well that collection could do very well as a fill out

I've been buying up the floor on the low end of GS for that reason...but could be quite a while

[worldly prawn]

yeah I'm super stoked about the pickup

[frank pier]

there wasn't even that many minted

that collection was so front forward

[worldly prawn]

I mean it's a legendary milestone for the future of gaming, that partnership that happened

[frank pier]

the back end was very limited

[frank pier]

and the first promo...and no one cares about it.... for now 😉

but you know how things go in cycles

[worldly prawn]

Yeah, definitely a big brain move imo to be scooping those, well done

[past tundra]

I was able to use tokentrove with imx passport on my phone for a few trades the last few days. It’s pretty freaking slick.

[lofty rover]

so is it top 500 for earnings ?

[frank pier]

leaderboard? as of now top 100

that sounds more like arena 😉

[lofty rover]

top 100 😂 thanks i think ill save my money as im 503 thanks 😂

[frank pier]

sometimes cheap bonded come up for sale which can add a lot of points, and wave 3 if you buy disks could enable, with some luck, a chance to move up a lot. There is talk of expanding the leaderboard this year....how much we'll see 😉

[lofty rover]

Yea well i doubt the rewards are worth it ,and i spent a ton on what seem to be useless cards ,maybe when my land starts earning i will look again ,but it would cost me thousands to get top 100 and what are the rewards ?

[frank pier]

.5 ilv...so 50+ a week

for 50-100

yeah, wait till they expand...if I got some low end stuff you dont' have do you want me to send some to you free?

[lofty rover]

That is very very kind thank you for the offer much appreciated 😍 ,Im 10 years in crypto so as you can imagine no need to help me ,please help someone less fortunate than me in the future 👍

[frank pier]

lol..ok good to know....maybe you can help me??? 😉

but I hope you stick around...the disk opening can be a lot of fun

and the promo disks at the end of the wave are the best

[lofty rover]

yea did all that crap at the start 😂 will be busy in ilv zero and overworld me thinks ,don't like arena or beyond ,but if they make a card game from beyond like gods unchained that would be cool

[frank pier]

card game is what I'm hoping for and happy hunting in the OW

[frank pier]

more important perhaps...what do you like for outside projects and in crypto in general?

[tepid geyser]

I think that's what a lot of us seem to be hoping for. Seems like a natural evolution.

[lofty rover]

Currently lumping in DOT staking it on nova wallet for 18% returns and getting the 2 x airdrops snapshot sometime in March its a no brainer 🧠 😍

[worldly prawn]

Sorry for being off topic but I clicked your pfp and saw your green 1/1 whale and am so so so so jealous haha. Literally the coolest whale by FAR. Big congrats, seller could have gotten a lot more for that.

[tepid geyser]

Cheers! No worries.
I agree, as I myself would have paid more for it 😅
Definitely the banger of the set. Very happy that I managed to grab it

[umbral holly]

do you know how to swap ETH in DOT without cex?

[cerulean quartz]

Have beyond rewards meen dropped this week ?

[runic glade]

yea they have. you can check here for the latest illuvium-beyond-leaderboard.vercel.app/, on the top there's a 'Rewards Snapshot' link

[cerulean quartz]

Thanks

[strong nebula]

Anyone got an extra team liquid ramphy they could sell me?

[tepid geyser]

I could let one go. DM me.

[zealous delta]

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[alpine dew]

@potent tulip is Wave 3 art ready to go?

[potent tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/to-tet-happy-new-year-gif-24730911

[alpine dew]

Should Wave 3 be launched along with Open Beta or a little before or after you think?

[potent tulip]

me personally am for consistancy and treating beyond as a thing as its own .. so just launch according to schedule, no matter what.. but thats just me

Nike doesnt stop selling shoes because they want to launch their tshirt line first.. the just keep doing what the yneed to do. But again, thats me - i could be very wrong 😄

[alpine dew]

I agree, but it would be nice to have the collection nfts that come with completing albums. Is this ready?

[potent tulip]

ui/ux wise its done. but theres a lot more mechanics and parts involved in making that function... like a functioning open beta 😄

[alpine dew]

One more question, name 3 Illuvials that are in Wave 3 and possibly a sneak peak of one 😁

[frank pier]

exactly! Any hint on when wave three will launch?

[covert ibex]

Rogier please share some w3 leaks, it's been too long without beyond already

[astral ermine]

leak the t5s3

[covert ibex]

This is all I got so far. I really hope we see Sear/Flare on the next wave

[potent tulip]

just 1

apes together strong

[frank pier]

always liked the look of the apes

[astral ermine]

wen monkier

[covert ibex]

Aapon looks incredible, love the apes. I have them in almost every possible background.

[astral ermine]

are these both stage 2?

[covert ibex]

I can't tell..

[frank pier]

and shhh...but the holos are cheap from wave 2...probably go up over time

[barren bobcat]

That Pangolin isn't in any wave sorry XD

[urban stratus]

same same but different

[covert ibex]

🤣 appreciate the response, it was just me trying to figure out if one of my fav illuvitars will be dropping sooner rather than later

Can´t wait for next wave

[meager garden]

they are stage 2

[frank pier]

wonder if wave 3 will be closing out any sets? like dodos were last time...be interesting to see which ones and if they up the bonuses on these subcollections

[wide swan]

Snapshot from 2/15/24 Rewards Distributed: (Missed Posting)

Snapshot from 2/22/24 Rewards Distributed:

@past tundra I forgot last weeks

[past tundra]

**Rewards Distributions: **

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Older distributions are still pinned separately.

[languid star]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1212561139427319868

Made an idea to expand leaderboard and kept it simple. Thoughts?

[frank pier]

looks great

[sharp sigil]

One more suggestion to unblock while trying to list bulk illuvitars. Currently, it doesn't work when one of the illuvitars in bulk list doesn't have floor value and breaks the listing. I suggest to add estimated value as an option along with floor value so that we can bulk list any illuvitars via bulk list... i hope we have some resolution around it soon. It will help a lot to end user 🙂

[onyx briar]

What about bulk listing uses floor but if there is no floor use the estimated value?

[sharp sigil]

Yes. I can see everynow and then i get blocked on bulklist and i thought its because of no floor value available on one of the illuvitars that i selected in bulk list

[onyx briar]

I will try and get that done in the next few days.

[sharp sigil]

Or filter to select illuvitars with floor value would be handy in bulk list

[hazy juniper]

Also depends on the thing. My pikachu might be more rare than my charizard. But charizard has a special place in peoples hearts

[hazy juniper]

pin this ❤️

[past tundra]

I’ve been updating the pin from 20 days ago

It’s still the top pin

[hazy juniper]

❤️

[mortal saffron]

I suggest. This may be one way to encourage Illuvitar purchases. It would be great if you could increase the probability of encountering and capturing the corresponding Illuvial by a certain amount when equipped with an Illuvitar NFT.

[umbral holly]

anyone wanna battle 3 standard disks with me

[past tundra]

I could be wrong but I think there’s not an active season for battle in the beyond. But it’s still more fun than a regular disk opening.

[tiny chasm]

Does anyone know how accurate the illuvimaster calculator that estimates your beyond value is?

[astral ermine]

most are pretty acurate estimates, but some are off

[frank pier]

they tend to be, on average on the low side, but I think that is fair given current beyond market conditions (ie not a lot of new buyers presently)

the relative ranges between similar illuvitars feels right

[scenic frigate]

beyond dex getting ridiculous in terms of pricing... nobody with economical sense is going to pay that listed prices

[fathom lintel]

that's a very blank statement, there have always been people who price their items at insane prices (and yes, we have those now as well), but if you look around you can also find great value buys, it all depends on what your goal is

[scenic frigate]

i didn't intend to generalize although i did... sorry you are right. i was just scrolling through the channel "beyond dex" and there the prices of the last offered deals are tremendous. ofc on imx there are still some good opportunities

[frank pier]

and often people on the discord dex have high end things that inded may be worth these amounts, there are just very few buyers of high tier holos right now, so there is a huge gap between what we would pay and what they are trying to sell things for...I don't get the "one of the first minted" pricing though...don't care when a disk or illuvitar was minted personally and not sure why anyone should but to each their own ;

[astral ermine]

i got the very first promo illuvitar, hit me up

[umbral holly]

Yeah nobody had done one for 2 days and I opened the disks alone 😦

[umbral holly]

Wut

[astral ermine]

Yea very first gamestop illuvitar

[wide swan]

nice standard

[umbral holly]

Ffffff u

Nobody should be this lucky

[wide swan]

bout to get an ophisto i feel it

in my plums

[topaz zodiac]

wish solo had spectator mode

[wide swan]

yeah

i hadnt used it yet

pretty awesomne

[topaz zodiac]

itching to open more forcing myself to wait

[wide swan]

can fly through d1sks

lol

I was waiting

but got the itch today

[rare mica]

i got the itch also thats the result xD

when wave 3 ?!!

[wide swan]

Damn that geysers rare

[rare mica]

i opened 2 more -__- ,not that good i got lucky only in one of them

[cloud lance]

wahts the going price for a set 1 wave 2 standard disk?

[nimble flame]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[topaz zodiac]

about $11 eth atm

[ionic stratus]

High risk, high reward 🔥

[fleet totem]

Any know if the emails for people who bought like the threshold for the big Print thing for wave 2 have been sent out?

Also will there ever be a leaderboard for unbonded illuvitar profiles?

[verbal hedge]

Just wait til we have wagering and tournament mode for Wave 3...

BITB going to be rockin as everyone is cranking through D1SKs

[atomic ice]

what i can find in D1SKS ??

[little bluff]

In most cases 2illuvitars and 3accessories

[pastel bison]

Forgot how fun it was opening D1sks, no bangers as yet:

[frank pier]

disk open is the key to the whole ecosystem and why I'd love you to pick a date, any date, just to get some momentum for beyond

[sharp sigil]

Who is Dr on leaderboard? If you see his album, He has got potential to easily overtake alexa. In his album, only 42% bonded and he is already at position 5... 😲

[runic glade]

Only Alexa can overtake Alexa

[wide swan]

Really?

Wonder if that’s the guy that bought @delicate delta album

[karmic scroll]

i’m pretty sure it’s Alexa’s second album 🤣

[sharp sigil]

I also had the same thought on it as i can see that rare holo ophisto on that account... 😀

[ionic stratus]

Any chance you wanna sell me your Abysall Kukkaraph. 🤭 None listed that’s all.

[alpine dew]

Alexa's smurf account 🤣 . Man is a legend

Or Woman*

[sharp sigil]

Let me check on it and come back to you

[fleet totem]

am i gonna make it?

[smoky verge]

Do you have 526!? Daang

[fleet totem]

im tempted to open them all

xD

[astral ermine]

he got like 30% of all out there

[smoky verge]

Standard wave 2s arent that bad actually. If they were wave 1 id say Dont! But wave 2 is alright

[fleet totem]

wave 2 is set 1

[smoky verge]

But probably still better to keep em.

[fleet totem]

and theres less wave 2 disks than wave 1 aswell

[astral ermine]

stream then pls

[fleet totem]

i have a ton of wave 1

🙂

was hoping to see this game pop off in like 2 years then open a ton on streams etc..

[smoky verge]

But the droprates of wave 2 are higher than wave 1. So it is more fun opening them. You may get an ophisto. 1/3250! So 1/6

[smoky verge]

Definitely wait for that lol

[fleet totem]

my luck

i wouldnt get it xD

[smoky verge]

Totally. I had a friend open 1000 and only get a single T5 in Rhamphy.

[alpine dew]

Standard disks need a bump in chances of getting rares

[smoky verge]

Nah this is fine

[astral ermine]

one of the rarest illuvitar came out of standards

[fleet totem]

i opened around 1000

in wave 1

hit on 1

that was about it

[smoky verge]

Wave 1 was gross thats why the dropdrates got buffed

[fleet totem]

fire

[fleet totem]

fire

[astral ermine]

highest power illuvitar, standard disk too

[fleet totem]

i wish they did a leaderbaord

board

for non bound

manily because id be first xD

so little bias there

[fleet totem]

insane

[smoky verge]

Joker... i would be 😄

[astral ermine]

whats your rank on the leaderboard?

[fleet totem]

i havnt looked in a long time

but i was top 100

while wave 1

was out

with nothing bound

for a good portion of that

then about half way through was bumped out, and wave 2 no wear close anymore xD

[astral ermine]

mind sharing your wallet that we can see your collection?

[fleet totem]

yeah

0xedc21400DafD1CBa357cBe99d56197c20Da51d37

should be this one

[astral ermine]

awesome

really cool collection of t0s aswell im a real fan of these blue bubble background t0s from wave 1

[fleet totem]

thanks i love thos too

[smoky verge]

Totally! A lot of T0s that are super powerful. Thats neat 😄

I do think i would beat you though. 😉

[fleet totem]

fair enough 🙂

you not a biner person either?

binder *

[smoky verge]

Im in the top 110 rn. But no i dont enjoy bonding too much. I save my most powerful ones for someone to bond them with 20% accessories. If they bond my strongest ones like that they could almost overtake Alexa xD 2.8M points :p

So im just keeping them clean and at some point they will be the go-to for some whale. Maybe in 2 years 😄

[pastel bison]

Very much not up to me. I stay hands off with beyond due to my heavy involvement as a player/investor. I mean if its tech sure that's my job, but I don't drive the commercial side of things. Of course I'll share an opinion if asked but I don't drive it.

[sharp sigil]

Can you DM me the one you are interested in? Happy to look further for you...

[crimson thorn]

Hey, anyone who’s someone, here’s an idea for Illuvium Beyond! Share it if you like it because I tend to keep to myself. I love the concept and can wait a decade for illuvium beyond to turn into a TCG game if the devs make the right choice ;P but the one thing I dislike the most about Illuvium Beyond are the accessories… but if they came out with all new illuvial-specific accessories in Wave 3 and Wave 4, or in a later set, I would be very excited to sweep some floors on existing accessories (as there won’t be more minted) and might even start bonding my illuvitars to make them more powerful! Right now I refuse to bond my illuvitars and make them look worse (imo). There needs to be natural looking accessories that are made for specific illuvials to enhance them rather than make them look more like caricatures. One man’s opinion, but a requirement for me to stay involved

[fathom lintel]

Let me cool your expectations a bit as there is 0 chance for new accessories in set 1 (so the next 3-4 waves). This came up already several times before and creating new accessories is a lot more work than we thought so it's not something the team will spend time on. However, we are supposed to get a bunch of collection rewards soon - for which you don't have to bond your illuvitars - so you may want to stay involved a little longer 🙂

[surreal pecan]

I agree, but my wish is that after set 1 we do away with all accessories... I feel like i'd much prefer the art to not be covered up. My sentiment is, I'm happy when I open a disk and get a great pull, i'm a bit bummed out when i bond. Maybe to compensate there'd be different subsets of illuvitars or something - artist edition, 8-bit version, studio ghibli version, that kind of thing. I'm not sure but it seems like I'd much prefer the time of the artists used on super cool art instead of making sure each accessory works with each illuvitar

[frank pier]

What??? no more clown noses???!!! 😉

[midnight prism]

was there a date for wave 3 already?

[past tundra]

No

Not that I’ve seen

[frank pier]

no time soon...hoping next few months....

[dusk gyro]

just swept 40 atlas's

[frank pier]

thanks..tired of trying to maintain floors on stuff 😉

hope we have an nft bull market some day lol

[dusk gyro]

oh we will

[midnight prism]

i though q2 this year so its soon for sure i hope

[gilded sage]

having a problem where I cant connect to beyond, ive signed in with email and linked to my wallet but it does not seem to work and I am missing from the leaderboard. sent in a ticket but maybe someone here has had this issue?

[vague void]

Yah... sometimes. Usually need to check connected sites in MM wallet. IMX might still be connected on a different wallet. Or if you have any browser extensions connected to illuvidex or staking u wanna turn off those extension. Basically reset everything and then connect to illuvidex fresh.

[gilded sage]

this worked! thanks

unfortunately I still have to re-sleeve my entire album, and it says sleeve by ID

[vague void]

Glad that worked (:
Hmmm.... I'd try to unlink and relink the wallet again... wait couple minutes then the autofill should be available

The only albums that are consistently sleeve by id for me are liquid and GS

[gilded sage]

no luck there, everything sleeve by ID still, but thanks for trying to help

[vague void]

Dang. That's weird... haven't had that happen before where none would autofill. Might need to submit a ticket. GL... sleeve the whole thing by ID sounds like torture.

[past tundra]

You could try clearing browser cache. Not sure if that has helped with something like this though.

[smoky verge]

I actually saw that and thought about pinging you, but a friend still saw you on the leaderboard 👀

[ionic stratus]

Is there a way to figure out who did the artworks for beyond ?

Really love my blazing Rhamphys and just need to know who did it

[young tide]

Wave 1 rare expression/holo illuvitars prices went 🚀

[barren bobcat]

Just ask! Which Rhamphy is it? If it's the Team Liquid one it was Svetlana, if it's the normal wave one it was me

[ionic stratus]

Thanks 🙏 It’s the TL Blazing, I think it’s the flame coming at the screen and the teeth are so clean 😂. Also, love the Wave 2 Rhamphy 🔥Just made me think. Maybe down the line (after OB launch) artists could go through some of their favourite work they have done. I think many of us IB collectors would really appreciate it.

[astral ermine]

Adoredo Rhamphyre Ophisto Squizz Geyyser Earth Doka
Relentless Terralynx i like the most

[potent tulip]

Adoredo = Svetlana
Rhamphyre = Svetlana
Ophisto = Sofia
Squizz = me
Geyyser = Svetlana
Earth Doka = Me
Terra Lynx = Dan 🙂

[covert ibex]

Umbre, Slashin, and the axolotl family?

[barren bobcat]

Svetlana, Svetlana, Svetlana (s1), Rogier (s2), and a guy who isn't on the team anymore, I think his name was Santiago (s3)?

[covert ibex]

Nice, amazing work!

[frank pier]

be fun to do a video call and put it on youtube with parts of the art team

[frank pier]

all prices have gone up, which is good...I was getting tired of trying to catch a falling knife to create floors lol

Now when some of that low end stuff sells I'll know we are in a nft bull market 😉

[astral ermine]

Can you leak the holo rare Ophisto pls since we never saw it

[solemn dove]

Does anyone know what illuvials will be in the next wave? I want an Adorius one 😬

[tepid geyser]

Me too

[astral ermine]

i wanna see titanor

[tepid geyser]

Ohh yeah, that will look awesome too!

[astral ermine]

but i bet on Phosphorus

[tepid geyser]

Interesting, it will be the 1st of the family we've seen, straight in at stage 3 you think?

[astral ermine]

yes

they even have the accs ready

we cant say this about adorius i think

[tepid geyser]

Ahhhh nice. I've never seen that

[astral ermine]

then you will like this

[tepid geyser]

Uh oh. I was planning on taking it easy next wave. That plan might be out the window 😅

[past tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-2024300603359468440

[barren bobcat]

Wave 5 sorry!

[solemn dove]

what about Adorius?

[frank pier]

look how hard up we are drooling over proposed wave 3 illuvitars lol
Pick a date 🙂

[barren bobcat]

Wave 3

Its already been leaked so you can track it down in 'leaks' somewhere if you haven't seen it

[past tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/woww-wow-oh-wow-gif-1865261275418626107

[sharp sigil]

No. 2 suddenly disappeared from the leaderboard. Any idea?

[astral ermine]

messed up his album sleeves he will be back

[sharp sigil]

I thought for a while that now i have a chance to stay at no. 3 😁

[astral ermine]

maybe he is busy 🤞

[frank pier]

and you have 12k of misleeved illuitars in your album, ie higher power available

[gilded sage]

I had a glitch that disconnected me from the beyond site. I made a ticket and was instructed to to re link my wallet to my account which fixed the connection issue but now it has cleared my entire album and will only let me sleeve by ID. Unfortunately this would take so many hours to fix manually so I hope there is a solution before the next snapshot. If anyone has dealt with this problem plz lmk what you did to fix it🙏 I have already tried clearing my browser cache,, logged out/in etc.

[past tundra]

I might would probably try using illuvialmaster to do a massive transfer to a different wallet and account.

It should make the account stuff work on the new account. But it will take awhile.

🤷

[gilded sage]

This sounds like it would be a longer process than sleeving 600+ slots by ID but appreciate the advice

[runic glade]

i can sleeve them all for you automatically, you'd have to give me your temporary authetication token (via DM) as outlined in neds github github.com/NedNedyalkov/IlvAlbumOptimizer

am not 100% sure what the auth token gives access to but at least sleeve/unsleeve. trading/bonding etc requires imx sigs so it should be fairly safe if you wanna give that a shot (maybe the team can chime in)

the reason I didn't add 'auto-sleeve strongest' as a feature to the leaderboard site is because it's fairly messy and potentially insecure. at least with neds app it all kinda stays local + the code is there for you to see what it's doing

[gilded sage]

Im not sure I’d feel comfortable with this solution unless advised by illuvium. But your site is very impressive and cool

[runic glade]

yep no worries i understand

[snow steeple]

Looking to sell my collection, its vauled at 2.5344 eth. im Looking for 1.2 eth. Need liquidity for shitcoins.

[wide swan]

Should be under tier 0

https://tenor.com/view/where-did-it-go-rich-rebuilds-where-is-it-i-dont-know-where-it-is-gif-21076262

[gilded sage]

Yup found it lol. Still can only sleeve by ID😩

[little bluff]

Do you have phantom in the same browser?

Try this maybe “disclaimer” at your own risk: Deactivate phantom, unlink Metamask, logout in Illuvium, in immutable and in. Metamask. Let enough time between this steps. Should sleeve automatically after some tries

[dreamy raven]

I would use @calm cedar tool (see his bio). You Can activate it when you are logged in, and then it auto sleeves the strongest. You don’t input password or sign any IMX transaction.

[safe ibex]

When wave 3?

[astral ermine]

disconnect wallet from account? if this wont work disconnect wallet and register new account and link the wallet with this

[smoky verge]

first Illuvial line completed to the extent I wanted! 🥳

[surreal pecan]

Looking good Garf!

[pastel bison]

Unfortunately I expect this is inside the system not outside of it ( so connecting/disconnecting, clearing cache, etc... wont help)... I'll follow up with support, can you send me your ticket ID.

[tidal crypt]

Unfortunately, many people have reported that the gas fee is taking their money.If the etherium transactions are this high, then there are already people who have left the market because of it.I can't tell them to take it out when it gets low.🥺

[pine crag]

I always thought that proof of stake will solve this 😂

[frank pier]

the march 16th upgrade should drop gas fees by 60x according to a report I just saw...this may be the gas fee you are looking for 😉

[fossil thunder]

Anyone else have/had an issue where you are signed in but wallet isn’t connected, when you try and connect it, it says wrong wallet associated with account?

[astral ermine]

<@&795142782133207063>

[tepid geyser]

Lets bloody hope so 🙏

[frank pier]

the video I saw yesterday said a 60x reduction 😉

Actually a good one from real vision with one of the experts on eth on a panel

[meager garden]

let's hope so... We can't really expect to get mass adoption with this broken network...

who the F is buying EtherRocks?? This sh1t getting crazy by the day

[frank pier]

greed wins out

[frank pier]

some day may the craziness move to nfts and beyond prices 😉

[rich elm]

When open beta is there and album rewards go live i think some craziness will follow for beyond.

[verbal hedge]

I remember buying and selling pet rocks back in the day. If you wait long enough everything comes back into the meta…

[past tundra]

Discord on mobile is so broken I don’t get this ping anymore. What was up? Any idea who it was?

[astral ermine]

I dont remember the name but some guy with bored ape profile first message was like: i know how to fix this just dm i help you connect

[past tundra]

Ok. Thanks. I think we got him.

[exotic mica]

Hey do you know when i will receive my Squizz Diskplate what so ever it will be sent one day or never maybe?

And what about Wave 3

When will it be released?

[young tide]

I’m guessing in May

[alpine dew]

Did you win it or order it?

[tidal adder]

Isn't that upgrade mostly addressing eth layer 2 gas fees? I think eth layer 1 will still remain expensive until next upgrades sadly 😦

[stiff mantle]

Yea, contacted support about it and they said it was because I had more than one wallet extension running on the browser at the same time.

They were right, when I log in on a browser that is just running MetaMask it works fine. When I forget and one of the other ones on as well, it freaks out. XD

[frank pier]

yes I think you are correct

but should reduce overall traffic

more bundled

[tidal adder]

Right, let's see! Current gas fees are just too high...that's one thing working well for solana

[frank pier]

yep, nice project and good hedge to eth bags

[fickle grove]

The dencun upgrade should reduce fees to make it at least a little more competitive with solanas scalability.

[fossil thunder]

Ah, thank you. I’ll take a look at that.

[stiff mantle]

You’re welcome!

[fossil thunder]

That was it.

[stiff mantle]

Yay!!!!

[normal kraken]

WTS this beautiful illuvitar

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x8cceea8cfb0f8670f4de3a6cd2152925605d19a8/18435

dm if interested

[past tundra]

#🛒〕beyond-dex

[frank pier]

lots of people looking to sell their collection....and good luck 😉
not sure why a whale would invest here right now with so much else popping and those collection values are delusional as of now. The only way to probably sell a collection is to do what someone did recently where you sell below floor in a piecemeal fashion. Still think it was a big mistake to not start wave 3 sooner for a lot of reasons, but oh well, it is what it is. The good news is if they get 5 years of funding, we will be in great position for next bull market 😉

[keen forum]

On the market it doesn't seem to me that there are whales selling the collection, maybe they sell rare illuvitars but not their best, maybe I'm wrong who are you referring to?

From a collector's point of view, it was better to launch the Wave 3 first, surely because you paid less for the Illuvitars because there is no demand

But from Illuvium's point of view, I think it's right to do it this wayBecause there will be more months when the Disk Wave 3 will be bought with the game active, and the single Illuvitar on average I think will cost more by making more fees in the secondary markets

[vague void]

I see a stalemate in the Beyond market. I wanna buy some Illuvitars and Accessories... but price is too high rn. And likewise, I don't really wanna sell either... at least not below floor. If someone wants to trade a MegaCity I might be interested. Otherwise it's just wait till wave 3. I have some liquid waiting for that time... wen o wen? XD I think Beyond is pretty great... but needs better reasons for onboarding new players as soon as able.

[smoky verge]

waiting for Open Beta to finally get wave 3, interoperability of Beyond assets and more d1sk opening fun

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[keen forum]

I hope to celebrate the halving with some disks

It would be nice to do a particular background of wave 3 with bitcoins behind illuvitars

[tepid geyser]

Hahahah what the hell 🤣

[remote saddle]

I cant unsee this

[gilded sage]

this is me after resleeving whole album by ID b4 the snapshot

[sharp sigil]

A hard earned money 💰 🙂

[verbal hedge]

I can't even...

[frank pier]

Do you look at Beyond-Dex here? There was at least 5 collections listed around the last week...or asking to buy their whole collection...maybe more. Not hating on Beyond btw but just looking at what is happening and possibly why...and as a ps if we have a great promo partner that is just gathering dust, that would have been the best thing to launch with OB anyway...this dead period with no activity and no money for the dao makes no sense. May? maybe for wave three? yikes

[keen forum]

I hadn't seen them, but in general I think it's better to sell the illuvitars individually and if you want to sell cheaply you accept offers on some pieces and some you sell them normally, on the timing I hope it will be launched 1 month before the OW and with a good communication

[frank pier]

I agree, selling in pieces is the only way right now

[livid bramble]

I thought about it, but disagree. You will likely sell a few choice pieces below floor – yes but you will likely get stuck with an incomplete album that is painfully slow to sell, and at the same time receive no rewards. You will take a bigger bath than just biting the bullet and selling the complete album in a single sale at the price suggested by illuvidex.illuvium.io/beyond/leaderboard. Maybe Wave 3 will attract “the whales” and someone can just step into your shoes with a thoughtfully assembled & competitive album in hand. That’s my hope.

[livid bramble]

Ho ho ho! You just need the Christmas hat, otherwise I think it's one of the dwarves out of the Hobbit. Maybe a nice gnarly branch pipe would go?

[runic glade]

wonder if something like this would be helpful for those looking to sell? or would others hate me for helping sellers haha

[livid bramble]

Great idea @runic glade as always. It would be a win-win-win-win (A) It would lead to your App being promoted as the preferred site for pricing of complete Albums. (B) it would help the Seller in presenting an album in its best light. (C) It would be helpful for Buyers as they can peruse albums with financial data, any income stream and purchase below replacement cost (if an equivalent could even be assembled by end of Wave 3), and (D) it is a win for the Community who should not care if an album changed hands OTC. Quite the contrary - the alternative of sellers breaking and dumping individual pieces or constantly spamming thousands of items over and over would just lead to rapid value erosion of the Beyond ecosystem that may not recover so easily...

[runic glade]

wanna be my guinea pig for this? whats your address and selling price? I recall you wanted to sell

[runic glade]

or anyone else who's selling and wants to have their selling price listed on the site

[fathom lintel]

I'll take sifu's collection for 1.2 eth, where did you put the buy button? 😎

[runic glade]

lol probably just show the discord name

[sharp sigil]

I am ok to list my album on your site for sale... i like the idea to have message button on it so they can talk to seller directly

[runic glade]

sure, at what price? 10% discount off of my estimate?

[runic glade]

it's live check it out

[sharp sigil]

What will happen if someone want to message me?

[runic glade]

it's just a way to display the name in case the leaderboard name doesn't match the discord name. nothing else

anyone who goes to my site came from this server channel anyway, no confusion there

[sharp sigil]

Some UI issue for you to address:

New WTS text overlapping to album market valuation

[runic glade]

what browser are you using?

[sharp sigil]

Chrome

[runic glade]

weird

[sharp sigil]

I have tried clearing browser cache and opened incognito mode but still the same

[runic glade]

i'll try to re-style it, ether icon shouldn't be going on a 2nd line

[sharp sigil]

Thanks for your efforts 👌

I would love to see collaboration between your site and Illuvium officially... your site is so helpful for people here who are chasing leaderboard and now you are adding more features to help buyers and sellers... Great effort 👌

[sharp sigil]

Issue fixed now

[runic glade]

sweet thanks!

[livid bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/watch_dogs-watch-dogs-capybara-relaunch-ps4premiere-gif-24128109

Sent you a PM

[livid bramble]

Totally agree.

[frank pier]

I think you provide a great service, and I send you illuvitars and encourage others to do so also, but I think these values are misleading, or certainly not attainable in this market. You info is the value at what people use to trying to sell their whole collections and it may need to be fine tuned even further. I thought I remember Illuvimaster gave album values (maybe you have to connect your wallet) and when I checked it was lower than your prices....perhaps check that out in comparison. It's nice to feel good about your album value after all the effort most of us have put into them, but if someone is really trying to sell they need to know it will probably be at a big discount to that number. With that game launched and an nft bull market perhaps that changes. Thanks again for all you do...I also find your album upgrade suggeestions to be helpful 🙂

[livid bramble]

The cost of my album was way-way more than the 10.8 ETH estimate.

[runic glade]

I've to update my prices, haven't done so in a while... shouldn't be that far off though. The original idea was to give an estimate of what it takes to get to the top 100/50/etc.
It's a fairly subjective thing to estimate. Some people think bonding is = to burning an illuvitar so the value should go down. In my estimates I just simply add the accessories + illuvitar value. Backgrounds are important for some, less for others. I have a value multiplier depending on the background power.

[frank pier]

It would be great to have an album sale and transfer service for sure. I don't think people listing things at the price where they actually sell is destroying the market for illuvitars; instead it gives a true reflection of where values are currently. This is what makes a market: willing sellers meeting willing buyers. And right now, there are fewer buyers and almost no complete collections buyers, and sellers and learning they need to lower their price if they really want to raise capital. This is not a tragedy but simply market mechanics. And will work the other way when, and if, this ecosystem gets rocking.

[runic glade]

illuvial master is based on a ml model that takes into account demand and possibly mispriced sales, so some people see it as underestimating when none of an expensive illuvitar has sold in a while.

[frank pier]

Again, I appreciate all you do. Perhaps look at where bonded prices have been, often below floor for unbonded, and those might be more reflective values 🙂

[frank pier]

understand, but maybe blend those prices in as I find their range more appropriate given current condtions

and we have to be wary of listing prices also as some may over price their listing to see values increase...just a thought

[runic glade]

if you have specific examples of where you think my estimates are way off let me know!

[livid bramble]

I personally think they are low now as is Illuvial Master - but close enough where people generally accept the price as a reasonable discount. That's why I followed Spacelovers lead and used it as a fair price to go with. I know someone put in an offer for my 2nd Expression Rhamphire T2S1 Background for I think $500 - but we all ignore these.

[sharp sigil]

I haven't compared estimation with IM site so i am just relying on your estimation of sleeved album. I hope it matches and if you correct any issue then would you pls adjust the WTS price automatically with 10% off on updated market valuation?

[smoky verge]

which album is yours? i don't see Jollydodger or 10.8 eth in the rankings 👀

[livid bramble]

#44 ReadyPlayerOne

[smoky verge]

yeah... that's a crazy collection ❤️ nice one hahaha

totally more expensive than 10 eth

but accessories atm only decrease value and don't increase them.

probably what is messing up the valuation

[runic glade]

i haven't updated accessory prices in a bit, they've gone up.

[smoky verge]

you actually count the accessories on the Illuvitars as a plus? something like 20% of accessory value on top of the estimated base Illuvitar price? (starting from T4S1 orso)

[runic glade]

I simply do accessory value + illuvitar price.

[smoky verge]

ahh alright 👀

[runic glade]

I think I added some code to ignore lower level accessories, like those under 10% power boost

[smoky verge]

I agree with that

[livid bramble]

Yeah thats why I minimise. There are some sleeved I cringe looking at them, but in all cases they are dummy minders... Exhibit A:

[runic glade]

can't be bothered to figure out which ones decrease value, too much work. like a holo radiant adoredo with max accessories is worth that. not less

[smoky verge]

totally

[livid bramble]

But the real one is:

But you have to do the point thing so all mine are spares...

[smoky verge]

in that case your album doesn't reflect the true value of your wallet. but the collection is valued lower than you may expect since you only use trash panda's 😉

[livid bramble]

I do try to keep them a bit more dapper though...

[smoky verge]

love that black face ngl

[livid bramble]

Very few trash Pandas. I try to keep my albums diet to less than 38% Trash Pandas with guaranteed spares that will see you to end game.

Speaking of end game. Sadly Accessories is everything. You just have to wait until everyone has set their cards in stone then play your last hand in bonding a few points above the mark. That's why I keep "Ye Old Armory Shope"

Thats also why I get annoyed about going backsies and allowing accessories to be unbonded. I get it I really do. But it removes the one strategic element of this..."game"?

[livid bramble]

Yes that's a good one. The paint and Nethersight drop a few % in points compared to the rest of the attire but its fun. Dr Kukka is my psychologist I think.

[smoky verge]

i'm not sure about the nethersight but I'll probably give my kukka the beagle boy look

[livid bramble]

No I think the way you have done it is actually correct. According to the rules Points are important. Buyer preferences will be swayed one way or another and people who like naked picks will go for more of those. Others want a fully kitted army and good standing in the rank system ready to go. I'd stick to what you have done mate. Great job really.

If I was coming into the ecosystem and wanted to start with a high ranking highly stable Album I'd buy Spacelovers Album. You get the collection and kit and you are super competitive going into the next wave. People see the value of accessories after they get squeezed in rank and realise how expensive it can be. Alexa... OMG. The accessories is like walking into Tiffany & Co. Of course you have to have the accessories included. But anyone reading this ignore what I just said and buy my album... Naked pics... Good...

[livid bramble]

I will miss it a bit. I think Beyond has potential if they can move pass "Player Profile Picture for Whale". Like it can be so much more, but they need to step it up soon.

[smoky verge]

they should buy my album instead. it's even "nakeder" 😄

10 eth as well btw. (don't care that the value is 6, just buy it for 10)

[livid bramble]

I know... I sneak a peak of your quite often. I'm a little bit envious of your nice T0's that would look so good in my album.

Mine are not a patch - but I like them never the less.

[smoky verge]

any T0 is nice. especially Atippos

everyone should collect Atippos imo

[livid bramble]

Even the spares - I cant cover their eyes. They just cry No!

[smoky verge]

the only inflationary illuvitars (T0) but they are worth it

[livid bramble]

Those eyes...

[smoky verge]

yeah they are awesome

[astral ermine]

what would be cool for you side with this whole collection trading feature which rank each illuvitar got. For example the 15th highest powered Dash, 2nd best Rhamphy etc for better overview how good the collections are

[runic glade]

hmm where do you think this should be displayed? am not showing player collections atm

[astral ermine]

yes idk how much work this is its just an idea for example if you click on a button there is like a scroll down list with each illuvitar and the power rank maybe greener if its under your leaderboard rank and red if its above leaderboard rank so you see your strongest and weakest album spots

[runic glade]

cool, I'll think about this I agree it would be nice to have that thanks

[smoky verge]

with and without accessories? :]

[runic glade]

bonded only sorry 🙂

[sharp sigil]

Do you think that IM's current valuation of illuvitars is correct? Or people expecting even lesser valuation because of ETH price is too high. Just curious... 🤔

[livid bramble]

Everyone purchased in ETH and probably want the ETH. The pricing of accessories is a different matter. At the moment is on the high side and probably out of range of discretionary spend - but it will auto balance based on demand because acquisition cost was more or less fixed. The important Pricing parameter for all this is the costs of disks which should be pegged to USD during sales. Pricing Disks based on variable ETH is suicide. Standard disks that yield the most accessories should be locked at USD $7.00 - $7.50 and Mega disks that give the best chance for high Tier cards locked at $40 - $45. Keeping it reasonable and consistent would give Illuvium the best chance of getting customer traction, and sellers of Accessories the ability to keep Accessory costs more or less stable and approachable and still remain in profit based on their "luck" in disk openings...

[livid bramble]

The resulting pulled Illuvitar of value is like "Unisocks". It's expressed in ETH and if you want a pair you basically have to pay the crazy prices they fetch based on ETH. The disks however are essentially = to a lottery ticket to "win" desirable Unisocks. These lottery tickets really need to be fixed cost in USD. Accessories have a general value and buying these are based on a $ range that is acceptable because they are not limited to a wave and hence inflationary. If pricing is too high because of low supply this will be resolved once disk sales resume...

[runic glade]

pricing estimates are hard with such low volume... either IM's or my valuations could be correct depending on the buyer/seller

[astral ermine]

I don’t think we should adjust the prices again

[remote saddle]

please no more adjusting prices... we will have this convo again for wave 4

[meager garden]

I agree that we've had enough tinkering with the D1sks price but @livid bramble does have a point. What will happen to Beyond sales if ETH price shoots to 10k?

[tepid geyser]

$500/disk, ouch 😬

[frank pier]

why they should pick a price...isn't that what they did with promo? price vs fixed eth?

and thank god for all your free disks coming 😉

[surreal pecan]

Yeah I’m thinking as much as they like web3, we should probably set a fixed price like promos

[frank pier]

bear market didn't matter...bull market? really matters lol

[surreal pecan]

Totally agree

[frank pier]

even look at ilv today...which could impact silv2

[tepid geyser]

Pricing seems a little nutty on some of these promos 🥴

[frank pier]

yep, I'll take it at that price 😉

[remote saddle]

Yah rare TL ramphy showing as .2 which seems crazy to me

[meager garden]

a good example on why you shouldn't trust the estimated value on illuvitars with low volume sales

Ok guys here are the D1sk prices for the different waves:

• Start of wave 1, ETH price = 1550$
  Standard D1sk = 0.005 ETH = 7.75$
  Mega D1sks = 0.0249 ETH = 38.595$

• End of wave 1, ETH price = 1800$
  Standard D1sk = 0.005 ETH = 9$
  Mega D1sks = 0.0249 ETH = 44.82$

• Start of wave 2, ETH price = 1800$
  Standard D1sk = 0.00301 ETH = 5.42$
  Mega D1sks = 0.01801 ETH = 32,42$

• End of wave 2, ETH price = 2300$
  Standard D1sk = 0.00301 ETH = 6.92$
  Mega D1sks = 0.01801 ETH = 41.42$

• If wave 3 started now with ETH price = 3800$
  Standard D1sk = 0.00301 ETH = 11,44$
  Mega D1sks = 0.01801 ETH = 68.44$

[livid bramble]

Do you think Illuvium Marketing have a campaign building up momentum before Wave 3 launches or will they start it flat footed like Wave 1 & Wave 2? Do you think there will be this gate opening and crowds rushing to buy a "Player Profile Picture" and decide to stay and collect them all? If so maybe selling lottery tickets based on a runaway ETH values is still doable because whales will be just throwing ETH away with abandonment for maximum flex! Perhaps Blackrock are planning an Illuvitar ETF... or perhaps not. I just think peg your lotto tickets to a realistic amount now is safer. I would also suggest building momentum before the event building an appetite - rather than someone just announcing OK we are starting! come buy some wave 3 everybody... everybody... hello?

I have not looked into viewer count of YouTube videos and see if viewer numbers are growing, nor have I measured growth on Discord subs or measured increase of activity in Beyond chat, so I have no idea of where demand is at for all this. I only mentioned disk pricing because we where discussing TorskDave App and estimating values for Albums and was suggesting that Illuvitars that are highly desirable and have a finite amount can be valued in ETH, whereas Accessories which are inflationary have a more limited price range because they are uncapped supply based on disk sales. And disk sales should really be pegged to USD because that is what Illuvium are selling and they need to meet a Value Proposition...

[meager garden]

<@&1107754780744487002> maybe setting a fixed $ price for D1sks would be a good addition to the wave 3 proposal the labs are presenting

[pure pulsar]

i dont see no proposal

[meager garden]

I'm not making a proposal if the team is making a proposal themselves

[pure pulsar]

not sure its gonna go through icc

i havent heard anything about it

[meager garden]

that's why I pinged, maybe you guys could bring this topic to the higher ups

[pure pulsar]

ohhhh

u mean like fixed permanently?

[meager garden]

yes

[pure pulsar]

declined.

[meager garden]

you guys do realise current wave 3 prices will be higher than wave 1 if nothing is done right?

even after approving a proposal for wave 2 that lowered the D1sk prices

[pure pulsar]

like in usd?

[meager garden]

check the numbers @pure pulsar

it's insanity to have prices pegged to ETH

[pure pulsar]

sounds very expensive

they prob gonna peg it in usd

so lower in eth

i mean we are setting an upper price rail for fuel

[livid bramble]

Sounds sensible

[pure pulsar]

nft is still ded

despite btc in a bull

[livid bramble]

I have already said a Hail Mary

[meager garden]

that's why it's the best time to invest in nft

[pure pulsar]

i did and it went lowet

[livid bramble]

My album is for sale with steeeeep discount. Please consider Filow

[pure pulsar]

mayc below mint sire

[serene python]

Buy more, maybe it gets better

[livid bramble]

Yes that's the spirit!

[meager garden]

friendly reminder, landplots are also nfts

[pure pulsar]

meh

[serene python]

Easy game, just buy floor until your assets are above mint orice

[livid bramble]

Yes... those lands

[meager garden]

I already have too many illuvitars 😅

[livid bramble]

Bugga

[meager garden]

meh? I feel like people are sleeping on these

T3 and T4 especially

[pure pulsar]

its just too much work

[meager garden]

then put some1 else to work

[livid bramble]

I'm with you Jaganite. Everytime I hear I have to work for my R&R gaming experience I switch off...

[meager garden]

so are you guys not expecting illuvium to have a scholarship system or a lending system?

[pure pulsar]

3rd party more likely

[meager garden]

yes it doesn't need to be made by illuvium

it will happen regardless

you guys are not ready

[livid bramble]

I'm too lazy to even think about it.

[pure pulsar]

yea i just want to click buy, hold and take profit

[livid bramble]

I dont mind fun gameplay but just not tedious work

[pure pulsar]

its pretty tedious

[livid bramble]

very

[pure pulsar]

im being polite

[meager garden]

says the one who played mavia 🤣

[pure pulsar]

very different

[meager garden]

but ofc

[serene python]

Yea, you have guns in there

[pure pulsar]

its comparing simpson tapped out to CoC

people like to blow things up

[meager garden]

anyway we're derailing here, @pure pulsar pls pass the msg for fixed $ prices for D1sks ty 🙏

[pure pulsar]

u want to fix it in usd?

[meager garden]

yes in order to prevent another fiasco

[pure pulsar]

will do

[meager garden]

ty sir

[pure pulsar]

btw

[meager garden]

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message
you can use this msg as a reference

[pure pulsar]

whats up with your IIPs

u got 2 that havent been voted by icc

[meager garden]

u tell me 🤣

[livid bramble]

Speaking of lazy... If the team want a shortcut IIP to transplant a game into Zero with a cool tie-in to the past (IE BBS dialup multiplayer before the internet) look at the game play mechanics behind an old BBS game called Barren Realms Elite.

[pure pulsar]

u need to ping scoriox

[meager garden]

ping @hazy juniper

[livid bramble]

BBS = Bulletin Board System

[meager garden]

moshi moshi

[pure pulsar]

hes eating sichuan noodle

[livid bramble]

Nope! Bad. None of that thank you.

I suggested it because (A) Its age makes its IP available. (B) The timing requirements of BBS made the game similarly paced with Zero slow turn/build requirements (C) It can match the clan groupings discussed for OverWorld and offers slow messaging communication with other players and offers spice (Alliances, Betrayal, Spy craft) and (D) It is a raid game that allows a city builder to select items to use for attack / defense / civic. (E) It was the only game I can think of that did ABCD without doing any thinking as I am too lazy and its a surprisingly fun game.

[summer hedge]

I feel like illuvitars are useless.. We need a game for them

[livid bramble]

I dont know many card based games so cant think of any off the top of my head that would be an easy fit. That's why I would have loved to hear Johnny's idea. I know Filow has one that sounds cool...

The only thing that attracted me to Illuvitars was the concept that to make any kind of connection with Illuvials - to make them of value, they needed a way to humanize them and Illuvitars seems to me like a great solution. So I believed that the team being super smart was leveraging this to build a connection similar to the way many feel about Pokemon.

When Kieran talks about Rhamphyre. Good old Rhamphyre - I imagined that surely to build a connection the same way we feel about Charizard, we where going to go on an adventure together. So I assumed that is what was planned.

Otherwise, I don't care about a "Rhamphyre" as I dont even know it. Who cares? Its a chess piece. Maybe.

When I see this - I see personalities.

So I assumed that Illuvitars was the glue to build a connection to the characters. I thought that was smart so purchased a bunch to participate.

I like chess too and Illuvials in Arena are highly rendered and animated chess pieces and that's fine for some who love chess.

But to reach a big audience - characters that can be followed, collected needs to exist and my guess was the arcane sorcerers employed by Illivium are right now high in a dark tower somewhere creating magic... or not.

Right now I'd be happy with a top down dungeon crawler where I can go into a tavern and pick 5 of my Illuvitars to go on a quest leg with. Translate accessories the same way as armor/weapons/magic and attributes like small nimble creatures being good at lock picking, others offer stealth etc... and go play.

[frank pier]

what we need is an Beyond meme coin 😉

[languid star]

The idea was to price in ETH, but at a similar USD value. The aim for a wave 2 mega d1sk was 40$ so as the wave started an ETH amount was used to reprisent 40$.
So if 40$ is still the plan for wave 3 (and I believe it is) When the wave starts it will be prices in an ETH amount closest to 40$ in value

[fathom lintel]

So why not make it $40 and have the ETH value fluctuate, just like we did with the TL disks? That way, the price of a disk does not hinge on whether an ETH etf will be approved or not... which can make the price swing by a wide margin by the end of the wave.

[languid star]

I've suggested this and I like the idea. But seems like ETH is a big part of the lore and they want to keep things prices in ETH. I wish I had more for you, but this is what I've been told ha

[meager garden]

for 2 waves now we've had the price of ETH increase making the d1sk price be inconsistent, have we not learned anything?

[fathom lintel]

And yet, we had the TL disks priced in USD, and still everyone is alive... I mean, I get the web3 thing and the lore, but we can all open our eyes and notice that we are in a crypto bull market, which can make things go haywire at times. If we hope to attract web2 audience we might need to make sensible compromises in a few details.

[astral ermine]

web2 wont buy wave 3

[meager garden]

and btw Nijafe how can you say the idea for wave 2 was for the mega d1sk be 40$ when the initial price was more around the 30$?

[meager garden]

let's start thinking long term please instead of constantly changing things

[fathom lintel]

Besides, they can keep things priced in ETH, we would just need to fluctuate the amount of ETH we display on the sales page...

[languid star]

I do think TL d1sks were priced the same way, but they only ran for a week so ETH likely didnt move enough to see any fluctuation in price. If it was just USD it may have been because it was a promo event

[meager garden]

they were fixed price

[astral ermine]

i would say lets keep the eth value in this bull market and then lock up an dollar value for future sales after evaluating the sale

[languid star]

I just was just giving a quick response. If it was 30$ than thats what I meant to say. An ETH amount equal to 30$ at the start of the wave

[fathom lintel]

Not at the beginning of the wave, but by the end, we surely hope to have some normie players around as well

[languid star]

Then it was probably part of the negotiation with TL

[languid star]

Trust me, I've suggested this. I'm with you here. I'm just telling you what I've been told.

[fathom lintel]

Yes, we understand that. But it was a good example that went smooth and one that would make long-term sense for all future sales.

[meager garden]

End of wave 1
Mega D1sks = 0.0249 ETH = 44.82$

End of wave 2
Mega D1sks = 0.01801 ETH = 41.42$

Look we lowered the price for wave 2 and ended up with nearly the same price for megas

[fathom lintel]

Cool, I'm not speaking against you, but maybe you can suggest them to take another look. Things change.

[meager garden]

exactly

if wave 3 started now with ETH price = 3800$
Mega D1sks = 0.01801 ETH = 68.44$

don't we see a problem here???

[languid star]

Make an idea in the feedback channel. Maybe it'll stir up some discussion. If it gets support I'll help you write up a proposal, but I believe the pushback with be the lore and we don't know enough about the lore to make changes if something would effect it

[meager garden]

do we really need a proposal when the team is presenting a proposal themselves with the changes for wave 3?

[languid star]

But like I was saying if wave3 started now they would choose an ETH amount equal to 30$

[meager garden]

and then ETH goes to 5k and the problem continues...

[languid star]

It would be .00766 to start this wave

[languid star]

I do see the issue with ETH volatility during a wave and thats why I've suggested a change in the past

[stiff mantle]

There is USDC as an option...

[fathom lintel]

Nah, after wasting so much time arguing about the Fight for ETH slogan and getting the response of "No", in the name of "it's part of the lore", I will not spend time on this, if this has something to do with the lore again. They will not give us anything about that, so a conversation can't be had about this topic.

[meager garden]

I feel you man, if they hadn't done it for the TL promo sale I would be in the same camp

[fathom lintel]

But as I said, we can keep pricing the disks in ETH, just like we did with the TL disks. It would just be the amount of ETH that fluctuates, so the lore argument does not stand here.

[frank pier]

stop making sense 😉

[meager garden]

as to making a proposal I think I've made enough proposals for now, maybe we should start pushing the ones that are on standby

this is something so minor I don't think it needs an IIP

[fathom lintel]

OK, I'll do my best 😉

[fathom lintel]

Yep, just as it was decided for the TL promo, no need for bureaucracy for every detail.

[stiff mantle]

Um.. unrelated to the convo at the moment but ... have been all curious. Aside from the leaderboard benefits (and your ID pic), do the collections do anything (or are planned to do anything) meaningful in game?

[livid bramble]

I understand where the teams heads are at because I'm also wanting ETH too! Right now, I'm selling my wares for it, not so much wanting to spend it... That is why pricing the Disks in USD is safer because I am not so precious about USD but as soon as you say ETH I am carefully looking over what you have to offer and it better be freaking amazing or bugga off.

[meager garden]

emotes, drone blasts and more...

[livid bramble]

That is VERY relevant because that is our Value Proposition and this needs the most effort.

If it does nothing special, then it is precisely worth Nothing Special.

[frank pier]

should be airdrops and games eventually

[stiff mantle]

Thank you.

Ok, so worth actually getting then (beyond the one I have for the fancy id pic) despite probably never placing highly on the overall leaderboard.

Have been really hesitant about getting any more / unsure which ones to grab with a small ($20-ish) budget.

Have to decide between these cards and the one for my deck in Gods Unchained. 😅

[livid bramble]

When I say USD I mean expressed in fixed USD value but payable in ILV/sILV2 or ETH

[frank pier]

and the leaderboard payouts should expand wave three is the rumour

[stiff mantle]

Cool!!

[frank pier]

for 20 bucks I'd be tempted to buy disks, esp. promo disks and see if you can hit something..alas it doesn't buy you many at this point

wen they come out later this summer

[livid bramble]

Leaderboard Rewards is built on quicksand - it will end without notice.

[frank pier]

no wonder you are looking to sell

[fathom lintel]

That is super unlikely to happen, so let's not spread this idea please

[livid bramble]

Then you have to go work for rewards even though you spent many many thousands of dollars to play a game.

[stiff mantle]

Really? Was thinking of seeing if I could complete some of the tier 0 & 1 collection by grabbing them directly on TT.

Suppose gambling on getting one worth more then selling it to do it again could work.

[meager garden]

Aaron has said the leaderboards will only end when there is a game involving illuvitars so I assume it will take a while

[frank pier]

more than a year

[livid bramble]

But it is what many see as a foundational reason some are getting in. Assumptions as I have come to learn are very dangerous.

[frank pier]

if you love the artwork that is it's own reward 🙂

[livid bramble]

Its not an assumption that we hand over ETH. Its a given. In exchange we get Assumptions.

[stiff mantle]

lol, true. Already have the one I loved though. XD

[frank pier]

make an ass out of you and me ass/u/me 😉

[fathom lintel]

Yet you are making this assumption and stating it in a public discussion where new people can read and believe. With not much basis

[livid bramble]

But that is the right ethical thing to do.

[stiff mantle]

Saw the happy Lynx and was all. Awwwwwww!!!!

[livid bramble]

Yes I like Lynxes too

[fathom lintel]

You think it's the ethical thing to spread false rumors? There is nothing that indicates that the rewards would suddenly end without a warning. Undermining your biggest investors would make 0 sense, the opposite, in fact.

[stiff mantle]

Really want the cute baby snake as well... a friend showed me theirs and it was super adorable. Cannot remember the expression atm though. 😅

[livid bramble]

This one is very nice

[frank pier]

send it to him 🙂

[livid bramble]

Its not mine

[frank pier]

better to warn about meme coins

[fathom lintel]

For $20, I would just pick a few purely based on looks. There are some stunners that are really cheap

[stiff mantle]

Awwww. That looks spiffy.

The pipe goes really well with the overall look too. Nice, it seem to really stick out in a lot of pics. 😅

[stiff mantle]

Fair, so just get the ones I actually like and go from there.

[livid bramble]

This is mine

[stiff mantle]

OMG the coins still look better than that darn clown nose!!!

He is a Cool Cat!!!

[fathom lintel]

At this point, they are all early wave NFTs and likely go up in value if the game gets popular

[stiff mantle]

Good point.

[fathom lintel]

Even though I am competing for the leaderboard, I also have a small personal collection regardless of price. I intend to keep these forever

[stiff mantle]

lol, fair.

1 set for show, and one set for love.

[livid bramble]

And thats where I would start. Make sure the Album supports "Leaderboard Power" and "Collecting"

The Album is what seperates Illuvitars from just another JPEG. So make it really really good.

[stiff mantle]

Will do that, and it is really nice to know there will be a card game we can play using them eventually.

[livid bramble]

Well thats the hope

Rumor

Speculation

[stiff mantle]

Dreams? XD

[livid bramble]

Dream

Fantasy

XD

[stiff mantle]

lol, here is to hoping then.

[sharp sigil]

As per kieran, we only assume that people will come and play the main game and they might be curious to check Illuvium beyond and might be interested in it... i assume that we might not see anything new for Illuvium beyond until the main game release.

[hazy juniper]

Lol what, u just gotta ask the icc to upload it to github lmao

Did u ask me to? Cause if u did im sorry 😦

[young tide]

Where can I see all the rewards distribution sheets? The last one I saw here in the pinned messages was on 02/22/2024.

[runic glade]

illuvium-beyond-leaderboard.vercel.app click on 'rewards snapshot' on top

[young tide]

Wow this is so cool, thanks!

[past tundra]

That is the last distribution

Fairly certain. I don’t track the wallets or anything.

[frank pier]

and he does this for free..his album sorting for sleeving is amazing and just asks for a few of your unwanted illuvs. to the address at the top of the app 🙂

[meager garden]

Please do it Scoriox

[urban stratus]

that sounds like a waste of potential...

[minor ruin]

It shouldnt be Filow asking, when something reach 25 the community council should actively move things foward imo

[vague void]

This one has 45 and also crickets...

[meager garden]

That's an idea not a IIP

[vague void]

how does it get to the next stage of the process?

[meager garden]

You submit an actual proposal

[vague void]

ahh... well I should get on that

anyone wanna advise that has experience making one plz dm

[sharp sigil]

@hazy juniper , it looks like some issue with floor price on some of the illuvitars. For example, this one

[frank pier]

We need to pick a date for wave 3 pronto! We have nothing going on, the dao is not making money, and animal spirits are high (look at meme coins) so people would spend 10 bucks to maybe get a 1k illuvitar= lost opportunity. And wave three technically is ready to go from what I understand...for the love of Atlas, just pick a date and quite worrying about the ever-lengthening open beta launch.

[urban stratus]

Absolutely agree. minted over 500 disks (standard disks only thats around 3.5k usd i did around 40-50 megas)... and i am a low number on mints... thats alot of money for a game even with the possibilty of selling. I believe it should be a priority and would be a huge benefit to all if collectors would get informed better. I dont see the link to open beta btw why do w1 and w2 then?

[urban stratus]

see that button on the top right where it says save as image? 😉

[sharp sigil]

Noticed it now.... next time for sure

[urban stratus]

hehe actually i have like 30 photos of my screen before i saw it lol someone did list a holo joyful over million with that background though so i dont think its a technical issue the purple hex background

[sharp sigil]

Should i list it for 500k then 😀

[urban stratus]

probably loool

its a good holo mate looks amazing

[minor ruin]

Sad to hear it. <@&1107754780744487002> can you guys help @vague void here and look with him how he wants to move forward and help if an IIP is needed

[meager garden]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1173701880904421427

You guys should take a closer look to the governance channel

[smoky verge]

That was a read for sure xD Had to fix the entirety of the text because it was not in a format that worked for Github. Must say, I was happy to be in Community sub council and could just pass it based on community sentiment. Game and Main sub council had to do the thinking 😛

[urban stratus]

I'd vote for filow as sub council 💯

[meager garden]

Thank you for the kind words

[hazy juniper]

Holy crap @onyx briar 🤣

[onyx briar]

That might be slightly off

[hazy juniper]

Yeah let's do it. We need to formalise it into a proper iip. I can help you write it this week if you'd like ratty

[hazy juniper]

Or he's rich

[onyx briar]

maybe do a hard refresh? I seems right when I look at it.

[sharp sigil]

That floor price now changed maybe because i put the value 0.25. If i remove listing then it will be back tp original floor value with more than 1m+ valuation

[astral ermine]

because floor would be 1m because of #570214

[sharp sigil]

Isnt that a problem when we dont have any listing available to calculate floor value and then someone does put unrealistic price and floor becomes unrealistic... i dont know how to resolve this but its an issue for many unique illuvitars where we dont have multiple people listing

[late cradle]

This thing is still outrageously rare

[astral ermine]

its not like floor is the value. floor is just the lowest price of that item. I dont see a problem here

[past tundra]

Why would you undersell like that then?

[frank pier]

any update on wave 3 launch????

[meager garden]

wave 3 will probably come 1 month prior to the OB launch, since this date hasn't been released neither has the wave 3

[frank pier]

they do not have to be tied together, and KIeran is on record saying that is a mistake...pick a date for wave 3..irrelevent to OB

Otherwise we literally could be months away which is silly

[meager garden]

they do for a myriad of reasons but let's just agree to disagree here

I made a proposal about this, you can check the comments
#1199701874115346581 message

the proposal includes polls made in this channel as well as the team vision

[frank pier]

a month before is fine when it was a first qtr release of ob...6 months is rediculous stoppage to the game and also missing the bull...disks could have been selling and we are missing all that...times change, situations change, put in for a one montth release date now please

[meager garden]

we've had nearly zero influx of new players in beyond, we're basically marketing for the existing playerbase

let the team revamp the website and things will start to move again

I don't see a need to rush things now when we're so near the OB launch and the community cleared said that they didn't want more waves until then

[frank pier]

are we though? close to launch? I've not heard that. And I know a lot of the community that wants to be able to buy disks, and in this meme crazy environment disks could be exactly what is called for. I think we were very short sighted in not having a disk sale by now and also still no date picked. We shall see if open beta even makes a difference to Beyond which has no direct connection to the game but pfps......

[meager garden]

• "Beyond which has no direct connection to the game but pfps"
  is it really only that though?

[smoky verge]

Q2 release is pretty close no? That should be within 4 months.

[meager garden]

and short sighted IMO is not seeing the big picture and just wanting to have D1sks available to be bought again
there's also a few changes coming to wave 3 u know?

I believe the team will deliver this time and that they won't miss the Q2 mark

but time will tell

[smoky verge]

That would be funny ngl. One more time we could buy-in 😉

[meager garden]

I think it's best not to joke with such a sensitive topic 🤣

[smoky verge]

Funnier would be Wave 3 release into a delay lol but yeah ill stop hahaha

[meager garden]

imagine the backlash...
I can already see the discord getting spammed with WEN's

[smoky verge]

It would be ugly

[urban stratus]

the thing i wonder is why is kieran for earlier releas on wave 3? im guessing the top dog here is wrong. lol btw can i read up on the multitude of reasons for the release date 1 month prior to OB beta? I'm not dissagreeing with anyone all i want is information to make my own informed opinion on the matter.

[sharp sigil]

Its still not taken at 0.25eth and thats the reason... haha

[past tundra]

If it’s too good to be true it’s probably not.

Haha. Jk jk. Good luck man.

[meager garden]

@frank pier can you pls enlighten us where did Kieran said it was a mistake? You said it's on record

[meager garden]

I'll tell you some reasons from the top of my head:

• Community sentiment
• Coinciding the beginning of wave 3 with the marketing activation for OB
• Synchronizing Beyond set 1 duration with OW set 1
• Pending proposals yet to be approved for wave 3
• Website revamp showcasing the different Beyond rewards for completing collections

[urban stratus]

where can i find the recording of the stage event? i was listening in live in discord at the time i think was in january

[meager garden]

www.youtube.com/@IlluviumClip/videos

[urban stratus]

as I said I am not pressing for earlier release i just want information

[urban stratus]

thanks

[urban stratus]

cant find the part im talking about thought it was in this town hall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPO-P19CLE4 where he talks about the big lined up colab partner... maybe someone knows what i mean and knows where to find it. or @late cradle am i imagining something that didnt happen? i remember him saying its a huge colab partner bigger than liquid and maybe the chat can guess the partner..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUSbUwVOrP4 glad im not insane 48:00

😉

[meager garden]

👊 @urban stratus

looks like we have a big web3 promotional partnership coming

[urban stratus]

My point is I dont know which side is right i think both dont really know all i know is theres a partner thats on hold as said a huge one. how he said it sounds bigger than illuvium so who needs who? maybe its not smart to make someone like that wait. IMO the limited information makes it hard to. evaluate

[meager garden]

I don't think this is about being right or wrong, that's always subjective. I think it's about trying to make the best for the ecosystem as a whole

[urban stratus]

agree 100% thats why i would appreciate more information on plans i mean OB is in Q2 so its not gonna be a huge wait 1 month prior means end of may should be latest possible date. so im good lol just hope the partner is still in line cause i gotta know who it is lol

[urban stratus]

and what is the difference between wave 1 2 and 3? i dont get why any wave has been released prior to beta. maybe theres an explenation for it.

[meager garden]

it was a way to get some more funding for the DAO before OB

[urban stratus]

it worked why stop?

[meager garden]

#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

and wave 2 revenue compared to wave 1 was way lower

[sharp sigil]

Wave 1 was so overpriced. Specifically wave 1 alpha

[urban stratus]

how long was gap between w1 and 2?

[meager garden]

true, but the normal d1sks also got lowered and lower sales

[meager garden]

1 month

[urban stratus]

you considered the gap being reason for revenue drop? hehe

[meager garden]

nah not at all

but even with lowered ETH prices you can see that $ wise it almost stayed the same by the end of wave 2
#🎮〕illuvium-beyond message

[urban stratus]

i can only talk from my point of view but for me i kinda lose interest in the gap what keeps me here is rewards... so i would just quite otherwise

[sharp sigil]

Yes. Overall sentiment was not that positive during wave 2 and obviously there is no incentive except top 100 ranked leaderboard... i still believe utilities for beyond would spark the market activity again and thats what it matters... only holding beautiful jpegs will not help

[urban stratus]

i think that needs to be adressed at somepoint...

[meager garden]

leaderboards are getting worked on for wave 3 and other things

if I'm not wrong there will be no gaps in set 2 since there'll be no waves

[urban stratus]

i get that but theres no activity in beyond at all so if youre not in leaderboard there is no reason to keep coming with attentions spans shortening to tiktok videos i think there needs to be some activity to cover the gap atleast...

[urban stratus]

appreciate youre work on that btw.

[urban stratus]

i have a advantage since i was a lucky bastard and opened crazy disks. im not as in the know as you guys. so i have a different perspective i think. i am very unsure of my stance i just thought maybe my perspective is valuable so i shared.

[meager garden]

it is thanks for sharing it

[urban stratus]

thanks for the replies got some information to read through now 😄

I'd still vote you into council btw lol

dont know how it works though haha

[meager garden]

thanks bro but I'm not looking to run for council, I'm just a community member that believes and wants this project to succeed

[urban stratus]

i work in IT ecommerce data analysis what i can say is a lost customer usually doesnt return. jeah i know i just think youd be perfect for it hehe

[meager garden]

yeah that's why I agree that continuity is key for Beyond

[urban stratus]

if not continuity a bandaid is transparency why i say more info please

[meager garden]

check the wave duration proposal, it might reduce the interval between waves
#1207640261451317288 message

[urban stratus]

mate thats why you should run for council how many successful proposals did you write?

[meager garden]

but I really think as much as it hurts us having such a long pause between wave 2 and 3 we needed this time to really finish polishing Beyong before the OB

[meager garden]

the IIPS still haven't been approved by the council so...
check https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/809220500756234280 for that

[urban stratus]

jeah i did yesterday but succesfull doesnt mean approved... how many get voted on? in a democratic system success is geting a voting

[meager garden]

the proposals need 25 upvotes to go to the community subcouncil, and then if approved they go to the main council

[urban stratus]

jep hehe im swiss our entire political system is exactly that 😉

[meager garden]

you guys there are smart collectively, e.g. you voted no on a referendum to an universal basic income right?

[urban stratus]

jeah

base education is very high

so people tend to take a rational vote

[meager garden]

here in Portugal if something like that went to a referendum it would be an absolute yes cause we're so fucking dumb

[urban stratus]

portugal is one of the most beautiful places ive ever been.

wrongly read youre message lol

[meager garden]

yeah but very low economic literacy

the weather is too nice here

[urban stratus]

jeah crazy actually for the location

lowest income in central europe

thats insane its not just central europe man you guys were top of all of europe for a long time

[meager garden]

and we just had elections yesterday, all I can say is we're still a long way until change happens

[urban stratus]

hope it will change at some point the mentallity culture is great good people