🎮〕illuvium-arena

[viral marsh]

if you can't figure out, how made 10 min work thing, and it's take 3 hours for you - better ask advice.

same joke happend with Nareba.
but instead cry and throw a tantrum - he send monkey for me.
don't know what he mean, but i feel his joke.

[dense chasm]

Your digging yourself into a hole again. If I were you I’d just stop it.

[viral marsh]

can say same about you

[dense chasm]

But I am not saying anything stupid. I’ll be alright

[viral marsh]

and what stupid i say?
open your eyes that you overfeeling some things?
and made from fly ellephant?

[timber turtle]

Let me say something smart

Stop this conversation 😎

https://tenor.com/view/titanor-illuvium-illuvial-gif-6855273506755850488

[dense chasm]

The original joke already wasted hours of my time and 50 min of mod time cause he was nice enough to sit and walk me step by step and I had to send them all to him in batch of 10. Yes that took me almost 3 hours to get right of 800 shards you send and fix my inventory back. And you done that intentionally while I was recording my videos and you knew exactly what I was doing and what you done. You done all this while I just joined and was trying to learn the game and create content.

That part is whatever now.

The weird part is still refusing to acknowledge it and continue to act childish afterwards instead of just saying “ yeah my bad, took it too far.

Anyway. You do you 👍

[viral marsh]

it was not 800 shards.
134 less

[dense chasm]

It was over 600. Why you lying now

[viral marsh]

))))
you even can't count.
how hard talk with you

[dense chasm]

Bro it’s was over 600 because that’s how far I counted and was bare pages after. All this was recorded so dunno why you lying when I have the video 😂 this is hilarious

[viral marsh]

800-134 = ?
is it more 600 or not?
hard question

[dense chasm]

Yeah I’m done with you. Ridiculous

[timber turtle]

Just ignore each other 🙂

[low comet]

so you two are friends? lmao hahahaa

[sturdy robin]

We haven’t talked much lately 😄

[low comet]

i did my best hahaha nc g @viral marsh

[ashen mango]

He sold his account apparently

[low comet]

To whom?

The guy play like fox. Im not buying it 😄

• I doubt you can sell big acc in just 4 days xd

[sturdy robin]

Joke 🙂

[sturdy robin]

gg @outer surge 🙂

[outer surge]

GG!

[arctic steppe]

If you could bless me with a few more Shards, my dear friend, I need to start preparing for the MMO already 🫂

[low comet]

Good 2 games @prisma yarrow ggs

[prisma yarrow]

ggs

[low comet]

Saw you typing i was waiting hahahha

granite OP hahaha thanatos taught me that line up hahahaha

[prisma yarrow]

i wish I didnt had a pop up last figh wanted to switch my scoriox

[low comet]

I see, I was gonna mention you afk last round

thats why i sniped your healer now it makes sense hahahaha

[prisma yarrow]

i could had try to win a round, but probably not the game

[low comet]

I thought you're doing something while playing. Saw you have 100 gold

[prisma yarrow]

was on the phone

i dont think it change much the result you are a pretty good player

[low comet]

Hahaha thanks man appreciate it ggs

[prisma yarrow]

my mistake was trying to finish titanor and letting you behemoth for free

[prisma yarrow]

2 frozen illivial not fighting any more

[junior geyser]

need stronger illuvials.. willing to trade illuvitar if interested

[ashen mango]

GG @west musk
You really made me try hard

[west musk]

gg

[ashen mango]

This region has such a APM floor

[junior geyser]

is there a 3rd party website similar to some for beyond that show estimated value for illuvials?

its sort of time consuming going on the illuvidex lol

[west musk]

RattyData has something kinda like that

If you click on the circle f it'll show you a floor for similar... then you can click view similar and see other listings with similar filters...

[junior geyser]

I was looking through your website and... its genius... idk why illuvidex cant be this way

they need to hire you

[fading mountain]

I've already Made you an offer

[sturdy robin]

funny

thanks but I'm waiting for a $2 offer

[ashen mango]

The new Sota beat me

[hot pond]

That’s not you?

[vale zephyr]

i think it is a bot

[lime cloak]

haha, it's someone renaming to one of the usual Bot names 😄
(but cant guess who it is... but you can look at the Illuvial collection)

[ashen mango]

It's a real human

[fading mountain]

Yeah, I get it, but man, you're just wasting your time sending her those Illuvials. She’s not going to love you.

[sturdy robin]

?

[hot pond]

Yea the bot is SodaAimBot

[timber turtle]

Who owns HYPE guild?

[sturdy robin]

EYZ

[ashen mango]

@turbid osprey

[sturdy robin]

I thought he was just a member

[ashen mango]

He's been the guild leader for at least 3 years now

[sturdy robin]

Noice

[wild kiln]

my fren..... @half badger I miss you 😄

[sturdy robin]

If you mean the girl, just so you know, I’ve sent Illuvials and Illuvitars to other people too. I wasn’t trying to make anyone fall in love with me 😄 She’s my guildmate and we’re from the same country. Honestly, it’s kind of weird that you’re watching who I send stuff to. 🤦😆

[vivid stone]

Hey 👋🏻
If there was a tutorial, what would you like to see in it?

I have an idea for making one, and am keen for your opinion.

[viral aspen]

I would fall in love for the dh ryplance

[sturdy robin]

me too 😄 ❤️

[fading mountain]

Chill man, I was just kidding. I didn't think you'd take it that hard

[sturdy robin]

np 😄

[junior geyser]

how long does house league usually run and how do I enter?

[sturdy robin]

gg @half badger dash vs umbre. Nice rng 🤣

[west musk]

sumthin cookin

[noble hinge]

Check in Events the registration link is there.
Usually there are 3 games - one for each Ievel so around 1.5-2 hours.

[jolly whale]

There is a sign up sheet somewhere @outer surge runs it. Just tagged him he should see this and send you the link

[west musk]

@nimble gale u are in game

[nimble gale]

Ty

[outer surge]

It's all Best of Ones so you are in and out within 30 mins unless you win your lobby and take the bump into the next game. But like an hour tops.

Sign up here: https://link.illuvium.io/Sylen_HouseLeague_Registration

[native mauve]

Biggest House League yet! lets get iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[junior geyser]

Sick, I think I'm finally ready to sign up and play. I finally own all illuvials minus a few T0's

I saw my recent purchases got shouted out on your last live video haha it was a neat surprise @outer surge

[native mauve]

@bronze spire afk in game

[bronze spire]

thanks legend

[tame folio]

When does the tournament actually start? Right after registration closes?

[native mauve]

check out events in discord https://discord.com/events/760344898200666112/1508507277483573289 its scheduled for start time

[low comet]

GG @native mauve @distant geyser that game didnt give much augments hahahaha

[distant geyser]

gg : ))

[native mauve]

GG's! i couldnt believe you hit everything at the end lol!

[low comet]

Rich map hahaha ,still not enough without augs hahaha

[vivid stone]

why yall so aggressive in lobbys a slow game can be a good game. 😅

[deft shale]

Hi @shut yacht yes I just started playing a few months ago, although just started recently being more active. Thank you for always kicking my ass sir ! lol

[dense chasm]

Hey there 👋🏻

I think the discussion is actually bigger than whether a game needs a tutorial or not.

TFT is one of the most successful autobattlers ever made, yet most players don't praise it for having an amazing tutorial.

Why?

Because TFT constantly helps players understand why they won or lost.

You lose a fight and can usually point to something:

Bad positioning.
Wrong items.
Weak economy.
Got contested.
Didn't scout.
Stronger board.

You might not know the answer immediately, but the game gives you enough information to figure it out.

That's why players queue again.

They're not thinking:

"What happened?"

They're thinking:

"Okay, I see what happened. Let me try again."

That's learning.

And learning is where a huge part of the fun comes from.

The interesting thing is TFT doesn't avoid complexity at all.

In fact, TFT is an incredibly complex game under the hood.

Traits.
Items.
Positioning.
Economy.
Scouting.
Matchups.
Augments.
Probability.

There's a lot going on.

The difference is Riot spent years making sure players could learn that complexity.

The challenge comes when you take a game like TFT and start adding more layers on top of it.

There's nothing wrong with adding complexity.

But every new layer creates a new responsibility.

If you add more systems, more progression, more decisions, more modifiers, more interactions...

you also have to increase clarity.

Otherwise players stop understanding:

• what mattered
• what didn't matter
• what was skill
• what was RNG
• what they should improve next

And that's where frustration starts creeping in.

So if you're inspired by TFT, don't just copy the systems.

Copy the clarity.

Because TFT doesn't succeed by avoiding complexity.

It succeeds because it helps players connect decisions to outcomes.

Good games don't just give players information.

Good games create understanding.

A tutorial teaches the rules.

A great game teaches the player how to think.

[burnt notch]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x0cf79ecde0c183b0cf3fe66b624e29b127bfc867/2554085

Great offer Blazenite holo TPI 81

[sturdy robin]

What is foxspirit doing? S0daaimbot is not a bot either. I recognized his perfect synalph

What's the point of someone changing their name every day? 🤷

[languid sparrow]

Emotional

Let them live their feeling, in the end... will it change something to see different player names.

[sturdy robin]

if I know who I'm playing with, I choose weapons differently, I level up faster, etc. It matters in many ways...

I don't like it when players try to cheat each other.

Besides, this daily name change is childish. I know there are adults here. 😄

[viral marsh]

xD you know only how play mud. and not wery well. what you tell about?

[sturdy robin]

We saw how good you are at the competition. Xd

[languid sparrow]

Meta is EvolVing - It's super cool to see the meta builds battling each other in the rankings 👀 Top Avg Rank and Top Rating keep switching places!
1215 matches on 80 builds, we're getting close to the **1500 **mark. Soon we'll have some really decent data.

[viral marsh]

at lest have some brain to play by myself.

[sturdy robin]

No one will hold my hand either 🥱

If you mean renting it out, then you didn’t just call me stupid.

🤣

• I started the first qualifier with two first places and one second place. I just took a break and then I played like you in the semifinals.

Besides, if 75% of my deck was level 60-61, I'd probably be better too. 🤝

[timber turtle]

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[noble hinge]

How do they help players understand why they won or lost?

[deft shale]

After you play 1,000 games you will understand. Thats how i did ;p

[vale zephyr]

Hey bro', respect the talent of Foxspirit, he deserve it and he is by far one of the best player. His collection is not the best. Top 4 players in the final have the very best collections.

[outer sphinx]

what really would help new people is maybe having a link ingame for this discord and letting people know they need illuvials for leviathan.

[languid sparrow]

What's the most important in the composite. Affinity or class composite ?

[sturdy robin]

Respect has to be earned. I respect Alexa, Crowland, Ratty, etc. because they’re gentlemen. Respecting someone just because he play well seems ridiculous to me. If he talks to me respectfully in the future, I’ll speak to him the same way. And there’s no point arguing about the deck...because of the levels, it’s much stronger than mine. 🤷

[outer sphinx]

depends on combo i'd say

[languid sparrow]

I'm trying to find a logical & intelligent way to order the team composites.

[vale zephyr]

i said respect the talent, the person is as you wish

[sturdy robin]

yes, he is one of the best players. Everyone knows that. Just like Narkesh. As much as he respected Narkesh's talent, you can be sure that I will respect his talent too 😉

Interestingly you didn't educate him when he made fun of Narkesh. I feel like you are biased 😉

[vale zephyr]

I think Fox was playing by the rules of the tournament because they weren't clear.

[viral marsh]

don't like people who stay on kneel.
and i feel you put Narkesh on god position, and pray for him every day

[sturdy robin]

This was just a perfect example of respect. I think if you read back, I never once mentioned Narkesh after the competition 😄

[dense chasm]

I think this actually proves my point 😁

You shouldn't need 1,000 games to understand why you're winning or losing.

Mastering a game can take thousands of games. Understanding a game shouldn't.

TFT players don't need 1,000 games before they start recognizing positioning mistakes, economy mistakes, item mistakes, contested comps, or scouting errors.

They start learning those lessons much earlier because the game helps connect decisions to outcomes. The goal isn't to make a game easier. The goal is to make learning faster.

Those are very different things.

A game can be incredibly deep and still help players understand what's happening.

In fact, I'd argue the more complex a game becomes, the more important clarity becomes.

Mastery should take years. Understanding should start on day one 😁

[viral marsh]

you miss from the start.
i don't have respect to you.
i show that you break rules, and you start cry like girl.
then you start insult me.
and now all my attitude to you - result of you actions

[sturdy robin]

Who broke the rules? You must be living on another planet, man!

Read the rules and tell me one thing I broke

🤦

It’s Friday. Drink a glass of vodka and go relax.

[viral marsh]

you have problem with memory as well?
just scroll this chat higher then

I'll figure out what to do without you.
but for you time to pray again for your idol

[sturdy robin]

If I had broken the rules, Narkesh would have been disqualified...

[viral marsh]

if i tell at right time that you broke rules - he will never play tournament

[sturdy robin]

We'll still be friends in the end. Thanks Fox 😄

[vivid stone]

I don't actually know anything about TFT.

What you're describing to me sounds like my experience with Arena.

Once you know the basics of how the units move, and can remember that, the different synergies and composites and what the augments do.

You can start to get a feel of weather you lost the game to bad positioning, rng, or another team simply being stronger against yours, along with Levels and TPI.

Sure the game can teach you, and it does if you spend enough time.

For me though having some basic understanding helps a lot.

I like the challenge and difficulties and the complexity.

To me it's like chess. I definitely could not play chess without someone teaching me.

Plenty of people in here to help you if you need or want it.

Maybe the tutorial i have in mind will help maybe it won't.

You can check out RattyData and Linksys site has a lot of stuff to.

Thanks for your response anyway.

I hope you have fun with it all.

[vivid stone]

I don't think you need 1000 games either.
Once you get it you get it.

I'm not a great example, because I can't play enough and I forget what I learnt 3 days ago 😅

However there are simple things that will help l doubt you would have any trouble learning them.

Is it that you are having difficulties or that for others you see the challenge?

[dense chasm]

I think the answer might actually be one layer deeper.

TFT doesn't just help players understand why they won or lost.

TFT carefully controls how much information players need to understand at any given moment.

A lot of that comes from the fact that TFT was built on top of League of Legends. Players already knew many of the champions, themes, abilities and identities before TFT even existed.

Riot wasn't introducing a new autobattler, a new universe, a new roster and a new progression system all at once. They were building on foundations players already understood.

Illuvium doesn't have that advantage. For many players, everything is new:

• New creatures
• New traits
• New synergies
• New progression systems
• New collection systems
• New account systems

And that's before we even get into the Web3 side:

• Wallets
• NFTs
• Ownership
• Tokens
• Blockchain transactions
• Chains
• Marketplaces

All of those systems require understanding too. That's a huge amount of information for a new player to process.

The problem isn't complexity itself. TFT is extremely complex. The difference is that TFT introduces complexity while keeping the important information visible and understandable.

Players can focus on what matters.

When too many systems are competing for attention, players start losing the ability to identify cause and effect. Did I lose because of positioning? Did I lose because of my composition? Did I lose because my Illuvials were lower level? Did I lose because of progression? Did I lose because of a mechanic I don't even understand yet? That's where confusion starts.

Which is why I think there are really only two solutions:

1. Increase clarity around the existing systems so players understand what matters and why.

or

2. Reduce some of the complexity so fewer things need explaining.

Because complexity without understanding doesn't create depth.

It creates cognitive overload.

And cognitive overload is one of the fastest ways to lose new players. Players don't experience complexity. They experience attention.

Every system you add competes for the player's attention.

The more things competing for attention, the more important it becomes to clearly signal what matters.

And I think this is one of the biggest challenges Web3 gaming faces.

Most Web2 games ask players to learn a game.

Web3 games often ask players to learn: the game, the economy, the ownership model, the marketplace, the wallet and the chain too.

That’s a lot. Especially when all the player wanted to do was log in and play.

[vivid stone]

@dense chasm
Come sign up to Sylens tournament tomorrow, I'm going again, to most likely lose again 😬 it's fun though and he talks about how the game works.

I'm not sure if you have any trouble at all or not and it's simply an issue you have. With the game. If so , sorry for not asking first and disregard previous.

[vivid stone]

But wait heres the kicker 😀

That was an intricate multifaceted tapestry of the complexities of TFT.

😁

[fresh pilot]

There are two names: SotaAimBot and S0daAimBot. It's confusing haha.

[noble hinge]

Interesting insight.

I have never played League of Legends.

I have meant to play TFT in the past but never got around to it. In the next week I am going to play TFT and see if it is easy (or hard) for someone who knows nothing about their world to know what to do.

[dense chasm]

I completely agree with you 😁

The funny thing is I'm probably one of the worst examples of the problem.

I already play TFT. I already play a lot of different games. I already understand Web3. I already use wallets, chains, marketplaces and all the weird crypto stuff. So I'm not really worried about whether I will eventually understand Arena. I probably will.

What I'm trying to think about is the next 10,000 players.

Because if we're trying to grow beyond the existing Illuvium and Web3 crowd, we have to assume a lot of players are starting from zero.

They don't know TFT.
They don't know auto battlers.
They don't know NFTs.
They don't know wallets.
They don't know chains.

Some of them struggle just getting assets into the game.

I've literally spent days helping people get through the Web3 side before they even got to the actual game 😅

So when I talk about tutorials, clarity and understanding, I'm not really talking about me. I'm talking about the player that opens Arena for the first time and gets hit by everything at once.

And that's why I keep bringing up clarity.

Because Arena isn't only asking players to learn a game. It's asking them to learn a game, a collection system, ownership, progression and Web3 at the same time.

That's a much bigger challenge than most people realize.

I'm still going to learn it. I'll probably enjoy learning it too 😂

I just think if we want more gamers to stick around, we should make that journey easier wherever possible.

[mighty tulip]

Let's face it Gauntlet isn't for anyone else outside of the people in this channel. It's only live to serve us while we wait for OR.

[dense chasm]

Honestly, I'm kind of getting that feeling too 😅 And I really hope that's not the case because that would actually make me quite sad.

Maybe I'm missing context, but from where I'm sitting, this still feels like a game with a lot of potential. That's probably why I keep digging.

I always believed there was something here. I just haven't fully understood the direction yet.

Maybe there's a piece of the puzzle I'm still missing 😅

[vivid stone]

I think they will be okay.
It's really not that difficult.
Especially once you have high level illuvials.

See ya tomorrow at the tournament.

Maybe ask the AI how it would work it out.

[dense chasm]

That's actually a great idea 😁

I'd genuinely be interested to hear how that experience goes for you.
Especially because you've never played League before and don't already have that particular background going into TFT.

If you do end up trying it, keep me updated on what feels intuitive, what feels confusing. That perspective might be more valuable than mine because you'll be approaching it from a completely different angle than I am 😂

I'd love to hear the outcome 🙏🏻

[vivid stone]

It's a fun game.
It's hard when big level illuvials are combined with good players and they pump and aggressively push the lobby.

It's a tactic, so it's fair , just nti fun when. You don't actually get have a game so to speak.

Different tiered lobbys and different illuvials would make a world of difference.

Doesn't need much more to me.

Yet that needs more people and more time.

Not to challenging

[vivid stone]

For sure about the tutorial. The idea I have incorporates a lot of different things and a certain style and delivery of doing so.

What I would have wanted when I started.

Yet too much in one thing can be a bad thing too.

It's nice to see more thought go into again.

[lime cloak]

I am guessing one of them might be Fox 😁

[deft shale]

Damn good players around this time playing gg

[mighty tulip]

Imagine web3 TFT dropped as a stand alone game with zero lore, no tutorial and a small but punishing community that stomp on anyone daft enough to search a ranked match. No matchmaking or walled garden for new players to learn the ropes. No battle pass to drive that "just one more game" feeling. No in game explanation around ownership, rewards, levels , TPI, EXP gain, marketplace, drone runs or wallets ect.

It would be in the exact same state as Gauntlet IMO. A game in this state can't possibly grow. It's anti growth by design

[vivid stone]

I was just wondering
What was the game style we had before.
that would be a cool way to learn.

[noble hinge]

There's truth to this and it was how it was originally set up. Capture the Illuvials THEN go battle in Arena. People were supposed to be learning about the Illuvials as they captured them, one at a time reading what they do and seeing how they behave. Instead we don't have an OW and only have an Arena game that gives no guidance.

[low comet]

So it's confirmed that he was cafewina yesterday, and he didn't sold his account. I don't know if he is trolling us or he just enjoys lying
what a guy hahaha

[mighty tulip]

Yep, and those OW encounters gave you the opportunity to see your illuvials in action and begin to learn and understand the autobattler. It wasn't anywhere close to perfect but it was something that at least attempted to encourage onboarding

[fresh pilot]

There is another name: sodaAimbot. haha

[low comet]

thats sota and fox

[outer surge]

It may be that way right now. But I have faith that it can be more. Especially once the MMO is out. I will keep being a squeaky wheel no matter how exhausting it is lol

[mighty tulip]

Oh absolutely, Gauntlet has the potential to be a very active and competitive mode. But it needs a strong OR playerbase to feed it. It's clear gauntlet can't gain traction on its own. Certainly not in it's current state anyway

[west musk]

One thing I been thinking about with RattyData is full team rentals. It’s very easy to set up 206 illuvials in a secondary and give access to an account. Im thinking of creating 10 full team accounts that can be available for new players to try. They would be super cheap and mostly mid teams but they would be better than no team… and let people try the game.

Would be ideal for sylens carablu cup probably

How can new players play if there is such a barrier to entry.

This tries to solve that a bit

[sturdy robin]

Childish game. Anyone who knows his illuvials knows right away that he plays, even though he changes his name every day. And yes, he lied. In today's market it's hard to sell even an illuvial, it's impossible to sell a top10 deck

🤣

[tawny dove]

Great idea! And a lot of potential to develop this further tbh.

[dense chasm]

I think that's actually a really interesting point and honestly it's probably why I keep digging into this 😅

The more I look at it, the more I think you're right about the growth problem.

What I'm still struggling with is the link between Arena and the MMO.

I can completely see how the mmo helps the ecosystem, the lore, player attachment and bringing new people into Illuvium.

What I don't fully understand yet is how it solves Arena's onboarding and clarity problems specifically.

Because if a new player struggles to understand Arena today, does that problem disappear because an MMO exists?

Maybe there's a piece of the puzzle I'm missing 😁

I'm not saying Arena can't work. Quite the opposite. I think there's a lot of potential here.

I'm just trying to understand why Arena needs Overworld to solve problems that seem to belong to Arena itself.

[dense chasm]

I actually think rental programs are a great idea 😁

I've used rentals in multiple games and they can be an excellent way to lower the barrier to entry. The only thing I'd add is that rentals solve access, not necessarily understanding.

Getting players into the game is step one.

Making them understand why they won, lost and how to progress is step two.

Both matter.

Still, anything that gets more people through the door is probably worth experimenting with ❤️

[lime cloak]

I think a 1v1 Arena mode would help a lot to better understand the basics, get introduced to the Illuvials and the abilities.. this would be a better bridge between Arena and MMO. This and the survival mode that is being build on steam, would help a lot 🙂

[zenith mortar]

@west musk doing the needful with rentals

[dense chasm]

Maybe 😁

I'm not really worried about the players who eventually figure it out. I'm thinking about the players who never stood a chance to.

Those are usually the players that determine whether a game grows or stalls.

[sturdy robin]

Does anyone know what his name is on Discord?

[zenith mortar]

Fairly positive it’s a Bot

Trading bot

[zenith mortar]

She’s referring to me “players that never stood a chance”

[sturdy robin]

I can't imagine it bro 😮

[zenith mortar]

Don’t imagine it, believe it

[sturdy robin]

Do you know when the competition prizes are paid?

[zenith mortar]

Should be soon, waiting on final data from organizers I’m

[sturdy robin]

thanks 🙂

[dense chasm]

You know me too well 😅😂

[dense chasm]

Maybe 😁

I think there are a lot of possible solutions. I'm just still trying to understand the direction first. Because it's hard to know which fixes matter if we're not sure what the final destination is 🤔

Maybe that’s exactly what I’m trying to figure out.

[sturdy robin]

One of my friends just told me it's not a bot. Someone hacked their account a while ago.

[zenith mortar]

Idk then

I’m just a simple man

Brain smooth like chicken breast

No wrinkles

[sturdy robin]

Gandalf

[shut yacht]

hektor, i'll buy your top deck...250 discs

[sturdy robin]

don't be a troll my friend

[shut yacht]

ok ok, 300 disc

[sturdy robin]

Okok, I'll skip It. Thanks

[sturdy robin]

.....

🤦

Fox2

[west musk]

era of the troll

new mode 😄

[sturdy robin]

😄

[outer surge]

Had to make one final adjustment for the schedule to work today. @sturdy robin I needed to move you into the 3rd match of the day. Instead of the last match. Approx Start Time of 4:35pm EST | 8:35pm UTC

[sturdy robin]

Ok, thanks 🙂

[outer surge]

Full Schedule For Today's House League

Prize Breakdown

[junior geyser]

this is my first time, how do we join when time comes?

[torn flume]

how to join sylen

[tawny dove]

That was a quick break from the game @safe valve 😅

[outer surge]

I will ping you in here with a Lobby code. Paste it into the Custom Game section and hit join. I then start the lobby once everyone is in

[outer surge]

The sheet is closed but I could potential add you manually. You want in?

[junior geyser]

I assume there will be bots if not all spaces are filled?

[outer surge]

That is correct

[west musk]

i think spoon likes hangin with the homies 😄

[dense chasm]

Do you run this every Friday?

[outer surge]

Yes! Every Friday 3:30pm ET | 7:30pm UTC

[dense chasm]

That’s pretty nice I’ll try next week 💯

[outer surge]

I livestream the whole thing as well so whether playing or watching you can join the fun 😄

[dense chasm]

Oh sick I’ll come take a peak 😁

[tawny dove]

Such a virgin thing to say. “I cant have segs, so I’ll just watch some online, same same. Amiright!” 😅

Sorry, I started the friday wine a bit early. I’ll see if I can sober up before our game later 😅🍷

[outer surge]

That took me a minute... but I see what you are getting at now...lol. Enjoy the wine. 🍷

[torn flume]

yes sir i want but when is it though?

[outer surge]

@pseudo phoenix you have been added to the Lynx League. Second game of the day. Approx start time 4:05pm EST | 8:05pm UTC

[dense chasm]

That joke landed better than the onboarding 😭

[torn flume]

@outer surge possible to join sir?

[outer surge]

Bout an hour and a half from now. But here is the thing. I balance the lobbies by collection score. Your collection score puts you in the Carablu Cup cause there are a lot of things missing. However I know you play one comp mainly and it's all like level 45-55+. Which would run over this lobby and destroy the balance.

So I have two options: I could put you in Carablu Cup, but I'd need you promise me not to play your Rogues or Lynxes.
If not, no worries, I could add you to the Waitlist were you can fill in one of the Lynx League or Monarch Master level games.

[torn flume]

the thing is I only have rogues on me

but jojokos and me is like even match

I facce him everytime but he defeat me late game

his comp is snake right?

[outer surge]

You can join no issue

[torn flume]

but anyways I can play in any sir hahha just wanted to e njoy

[outer surge]

You can absolutely join and play what you wish. Carablu Cup is set up with a very high difference between the top and bottom this week but that's not the players faults.

[torn flume]

you can put me anywhere sir hahaha xd

I just really wanted to enjoy and compete

no pressure

if there is no chance to join then there is next time🫡

[outer surge]

Absolutely and I want you to be able to do that! It just opened my eyes to a flaw in my system

[outer surge]

You will be a part of the first match. Starting: 3:35pm EST | 7:35pm UTC

For the Carablu Cup, I will pull from my own Fuel / Starter Deck donations to make sure that everyone gets a little something for competing today as long as they are trying their best.

[hot pond]

Is it just me or the bench ingame is usually taking longer to load every now and then?

[shut yacht]

who is hold my beer?

Gg holdmybeer inferno beats vanguard….i learned that many times

3x behemoth helped too

[vivid stone]

When the OW was up, there was some weird connection about coming into arena and playing the with the illuvials i caught. It didnt matter that it doesn't have all the "shinny" of TFT, i lied a little, I've seen it played, people in here talked about it a lot when there was a push to have arena like tft, hence the mode we play now. I would hazard a guess, its the lore and the extreme dopamine poker machine style graphics that are consistently pumping feel good chems are responsible for the continued play. 🤷‍♀️

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-im-ready-running-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4184916

[outer surge]

I am running slightly behind schedule. House League is happening

Be right there

[shut yacht]

As expected 🙂

@broken bane we want to see your dark holo only arena team!

[outer surge]

Carablu Cup: 3N8BND
@junior geyser @blazing veldt @deft shale @torn flume @fading mountain

You close @torn flume ?

[junior geyser]

GP9R8M

new lobby

GP9R8M

[dense chasm]

That's actually an interesting perspective 😊

I can definitely see how catching Illuvials in Overworld and then using them in Arena creates a connection.

I think I'm just looking at it from a slightly different angle:

Why would someone with no Illuvium background choose Arena in the first place?

[outer surge]

Lynx League Code: 695KJX
@fading mountain @vivid stone @prisma yarrow @burnt notch @pseudo phoenix @short palm @calm raven @scarlet spindle

[vivid stone]

why would anyone choose anything. we all came in with the 3 diifernt games being pitched as one whole ecosystem, people probably have multiple different reason they play arena, some only like arena.
why so focused on arena and who are the players that never get a chance?

[nimble gale]

I choose Pho

[vivid stone]

Sames, and Joton

[outer surge]

@prisma yarrow @calm raven you close?

[vivid stone]

are they in a game?

[outer surge]

Had to start. Glhf

[dense chasm]

Players have choices 😅Nobody is choosing between Arena and nothing.

They're choosing between Arena and other auto-battlers and other games competing for their time.

So why Arena?

[shut yacht]

I played arena first. Computer didn’t work well with overworld…liked arena and bought a gaming computer for overworld…30 days later it shut down

[prisma yarrow]

i am there

is it too late

ho well

[nimble gale]

I came for Overworld. Played the hell out of it. It shut down. I slid over to arena. I do my best but as soon as OW comes back I’ll be back in it. Doubt I’ll stick in arena.

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/its-very-salty-sung-won-cho-it-doesnt-taste-good-too-salty-taste-test-gif-19065046

[jolly whale]

Is the Leaderboard broken for anyone else?

[nimble gale]

Yes but I’m also having internet issues

[urban coyote]

I tried OW twice.. was fun but I need so.much practice.
Arena never tried.. scares the bageezers put of me

[noble hinge]

It was blank for me but then loaded when I refreshed earlier today

[jolly whale]

Still blank for me

[west musk]

yep... broken

[noble hinge]

Oh yeah, it is now

[nimble gale]

Definitely hard going in. Only way to learn is take your beatings and learn from them. I’ve been doing better after investing some cash but I still get beat by people with lower level Illuvials because they understand the subtleties better. So that is to say that having the best team isn’t the answer if you don’t understand the synergies and affinities.

[urban coyote]

It's very confusing

[nimble gale]

It is. It’s kind of like an onion. You see a layer but there is always something underneath it.

[urban coyote]

Haha that's a good way to explain Arena.. 😄

[dense chasm]

Complexity is fine, confusing isn’t. Very different things.

[shut yacht]

It not hard, TFT is hard. Different species, no instructions. At least you have a guide on the left hand side of screen. Match affinity and hover mouse over the i to figure it out mid game

once you start matching you find out some work well together, like fire / air then logically, fire hurts nature not water

[nimble gale]

Scoriox missed that memo

[outer surge]

Monarch Masters Match 1 Lobby : CAVB8G
@sturdy robin @nimble gale @tawny dove @noble hinge @native mauve @outer sphinx @hot pond @pseudo phoenix

[nimble gale]

Who has the red glowing armor?!?

What is it?

[vivid stone]

Yes for sure.
For me I play because it's connected to the whole ecosystem and when ow is up I enjoy flipping between the games.
Each one gives me enough break from the other.
I enjoy arena.

Maybe people want a full blown auto battler

Yet they may not be practical considering all the other on purpose auto battlers.

Its not my main game.

One thing you could do is canvas the people that do play for arena on its own.

You've come up with some in depth reasons for change and why TFT is like and why people stay there.

What do you think would be a solution to keep people or have them want to play arena as it is?

[calm raven]

Oh, sorry @outer surge ! Totally forgot about this

[prisma yarrow]

games gives daily rewards at many levels to trick dopamine

[prisma yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/canoe-kids-water-sinking-canoeing-gif-6213869202311897937

i came a bit too early, got a phone call.... i was gone....

[vivid stone]

Yess, I'm looking forward to different illuvials. So its not the same illuvials all the time.

Missed you on the tournament

[prisma yarrow]

every week i was telling myself that I would sub but it was always full, now that I register, I got distracted

[vivid stone]

Doh.

[nimble gale]

Thanks for the games.

[outer sphinx]

imagine i had harbinger emblem...

[dense chasm]

That makes sense 😊 And I'm sure plenty of players feel the same way.

I think Arena needs those players.

My only concern is that Arena also needs to stand on its own.

Otherwise people will mostly play it because of the ecosystem, not because they chose Arena itself.

As for solutions, I honestly don't know yet 😅

I'm still trying to understand the problem properly first. The more I dig into it, the more I realize there are a lot of moving parts.

[shut yacht]

arena needs a battle pass, then it all works

[outer surge]

Monarch Masters Lobby 2: 9UUWYS
@west musk @shut yacht @ashen mango @wild kiln @safe valve @vale zephyr @jolly whale @hot pond

[west musk]

yep

[outer surge]

Back out

[west musk]

trolls evvvverywhere XD

foxxy aim bot

[shut yacht]

It sent me to all bots

[outer surge]

remake

[west musk]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-slow-clap-congratulations-you-won-well-done-gif-17650882150931687505

[vivid stone]

I hear what you are saying.

It might later on, for all the reasons you mentioned, lore, connection and understanding of the illuvials.

It's like backwards going forwards kinda.

Keep at it.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

[outer surge]

Monarch Masters Lobby 2: J7R8AN
@west musk @shut yacht @ashen mango @wild kiln @safe valve @vale zephyr @jolly whale @hot pond

[dense chasm]

That's exactly my concern 😅

If Arena only makes sense after you already care about Illuvium, then we're building demand backwards.

[dense chasm]

Maybe 🤣

But what exactly are we putting in the battle pass that solves "Why Arena?" 🤔

[prisma yarrow]

new commers would need to start learning on survivor first to chill and read everything they want without having the feeling of studying it like at school, than when you pass a certain lvl than it unlock Arena casual, when you win a game you get to have a run or something like that and then when your collection pass a certain lvl than it unluck rank game. but paying for illuvials kind of killed the game. if players want to take the long route they should be able to do it. right now no kids, no teenagers could plays that game and get top 50 deck... the game was never design for mass adoption, it was design for milking crypto degen

i got kick out of the game withoug been kick out lol so when I click start a new game again i am like 4 round late

[noble hinge]

The biggest problem with Arena right now is we have the cart before the horse. Hopefully it will be rectified in December with the MMO. We need a main game where captures take place and then multiple more niche games shooting off from it. Arena being one.

In the meantime we have Arena to keep core community amused, people who already have and love Illuvials. We may have others drift in and it is good that things like Sylen's Carablu cup exists for them. It doesn't make sense to actively try to bring a ton of people in yet though until the MMO.

[dense chasm]

That's actually a solid point 🤔

I think you're solving access. I'm still trying to understand the reason to stay.

[dense chasm]

Honestly, "cart before the horse" is probably the best description I've heard so far 😅

Which is probably why I keep feeling like I'm trying to solve a puzzle before all the pieces are on the table 😭

[dense chasm]

You stole my bear earlier. I was sad

[sturdy robin]

Can I comfort you a little?

[west musk]

GGz @safe valve and everyone

[sturdy robin]

GG all 🔥

[wild kiln]

ggz!!

[shut yacht]

ggz

[urban coyote]

What an exciting end game..

[vivid stone]

Kind of what we've all been saying.

@dense chasm what did or do you like about arena, I admire your passion for it.

[dense chasm]

Gonna sing me a lullaby in Hungarian? That might help 😁

[sturdy robin]

Of course baby 🙈

Where should I do it? Here on the main stage or in private? 🤣

[noble hinge]

It is the only way to level up Illuvials. I want a good set of all level 60 or higher Illuvials. I look at this time as a chance to get a team together before everything is sorted and more people come.

[dense chasm]

When I do my first stream I’ll invite you as opening act 😁😂

Make sure you hit all the notes…

[sturdy robin]

bad idea 🤣🤣

[sturdy robin]

https://tenor.com/view/singing-oh-yea-gif-27093420

[prisma yarrow]

getting s3t3 but cant get my t1 one lol

[wild kiln]

https://x.com/illuviumio/status/2060490900242108864

Illuvium (@illuviumio)

🚨 THE WAIT IS ALMOST OVER 🔥

In just 6 DAYS... ILLUVIUM DEATHMATCH MODE LAUNCHES!

10 Challengers enter the arena.
Only 1 leaves victorious.

Your Illuvial. Your strategy. Your glory.

Two modes dropping:
FREE MODE - Jump in for free. Earn Bones. Lowest revival chances. Feel

X · May 29, 2026, 10:38 PM

[prisma yarrow]

sad that this team is trash

[vivid stone]

Just had a random thought.
Sometimes when I loose a lot, it doesn't matter that I know the reasons why, it's like all the good feelings have gone and now I have learnt helplessness.

I can't seem to get back on track and it feels pointless to try.

Thinking about what tankthebank said, maybe something like, every 10 games you get an xp boost or a chest with some cosmetics.

A little bost to help the dopamine and keep going?

[ashen mango]

Deathmatch incoming 👀

[shut yacht]

I have been saying / no screaming in caps / battle pass

[vivid stone]

Like the old one?
I think I was able to use it for a bit, it felt pretty good.

[shut yacht]

@zenith mortar @worldly jolt how much would $10,000 / mo help the game finances? IF battle pass could bring in $10,000 per month, how high of a priority would it become?

[shut yacht]

The old battle pass, for all its failures, is what hooked me on overworld because it game me free fuel to play it

it was the reason i added a wallet

[vivid stone]

Ahh yeah that's right. I liked that too. It was similar to blocklords with the two seperate tracks. Perhaps a tad less rewarding for non payers

Sorry sometimes my memory needs extra details to kick into gear.

[shut yacht]

It should have fuel / ADR / DISC rewards...intro to all parts of the game

[vivid stone]

Whats ADR?

[shut yacht]

auto drone run

[vivid stone]

Ah, yeah cool.

How much?

[shut yacht]

start small and add larger rewards the longer the play, like any good battlepass

have a free one and a paid one

maybe a gold/ platinum/ diamond level

[vivid stone]

To apeal to all the different people's

[zenith mortar]

I think the bigger question is what does it cost in resources to make a battlepass that people feel like is worth buying, I know the battle pass one had a lot of assets, not saying we dont have enough, i dont know honestly but i imagine players want new exciting things to look forward to in the battlepass and not sure we have the resources to make that much new stuff for a battle pass. This is my opinion i could be wrong and maybe we have plenty, i dont always see everything

[vivid stone]

That's a good point.
In blocklords the pass changed each season, some new stuff some old.
I never thought about how much it all cost to do it.
It was pretty cheap to, $9 USD I think

They probably barely broke even

[zenith mortar]

in before anyone says "AI will help", generally speaking we dont use AI for much of anything Art wise. Not to say we never will, but I dont believe anything in game is AI. Maybe some stuff came from ai ideation but I'm not sure thats even there anymore.

[timber turtle]

Lets go hype

https://tenor.com/view/national-biscuit-day-yummy-cookies-time-for-a-snack-pass-the-biscuits-treat-yourself-gif-13301131235932203858

Salam aleykum

[sturdy robin]

@vale zephyr you are annoying :))

level 60-61

pfff

[vale zephyr]

same same

[sturdy robin]

A bunch of level 60s aren’t in the lineup so I can farm XP for the others.

But your entire deck is level 60. Still, you’re a top player too, just like your soulmate.

https://tenor.com/view/fox-chasse-jump-dive-gif-17180168

[wild kiln]

Squak ranger lv?

[vale zephyr]

46

[sturdy robin]

Idk bro

[wild kiln]

46 crazy

[sturdy robin]

I don't even care

[vale zephyr]

yeah got some good stuff. Missed one T0S3

[sturdy robin]

Bravo

[vale zephyr]

but T0S3 are so weak

My T0S2 are better xD

[sturdy robin]

Same

[wild kiln]

lv up!

[sturdy robin]

This fckng arena is annoying

[vale zephyr]

There's no XP bar for the ranger? I haven't leveled up in two weeks.

[sturdy robin]

On June 4th, I’m burning everything.

🤣🤣

[wild kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-elmo-whahahah-gif-17878947247523768071

dh blazenite ? 😎

[vale zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/burn-flammable-incinerate-3WhoYhJsaaLtOz8iHy

[sturdy robin]

I’d rather not play any more today. The laptop isn’t faulty, but after one more game it might go flying.😄

Daaamn arena 🤬

[wild kiln]

One more game!!! pls

wait me

haha 😄

[vivid stone]

I think that's cool.
It has its place, doesn't have to be everywhere.

[vivid stone]

Oh that is how you check.

[sturdy robin]

At times like this, I get mad at myself for wasting so much time on a stupid game that doesn’t even entertain me anymore.

I didn’t waste this much time on Beyond.

[vivid stone]

But then it's good and funnn.

[sturdy robin]

I'm really looking forward to the deathmatch.

Fckng illuvials

[sturdy robin]

Not for me

🤣

[vivid stone]

😬

you can punish a few of them In a few days 😜

[sturdy robin]

One of the old Beyond members is making a game similar to Beyond. When it's ready I'll leave everything here.

😆

It's really depressing to be here.

🤣

[wild kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-say-what-wait-what-huh-confused-gif-6106526198908117631

[zenith mortar]

This will be fun when Hektor is drunk and angry

Please record

They should just add two modes, one for illuvitars and one for illuvials

[wild kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/controlling-laugh-laughing-oh-god-thats-funny-funny-thats-hilarious-gif-8042574011157915766

[sturdy robin]

just angry. The arena is not for me

🤣

[timber turtle]

Yeah u so noob😂🤣

[sturdy robin]

I don't stand a chance against the guys. 😆 Annoying 😅🤣

[timber turtle]

😂😂

[vivid stone]

Ohh 🫂

Have a break and have some Ratty fun

[prisma yarrow]

i think there were only 10 ador in this game

[copper phoenix]

How did you get disconnected?

[prisma yarrow]

I surrender

i did not disconnect I knew I lost

[low comet]

feels like cheating hahahaha

[jolly whale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tophermcgee3-star-wars-more-kylo-ren-iv80ZwyJ0ep0GU9jap

[deft shale]

but if you surrender you dont get XP right

Mr. @copper phoenix too strong xD

[copper phoenix]

Haha, this has been quite lucky for me. I've never used the surrender function before.

[hoary spindle]

@jolly whale Great match man! Got a lucky roll last round... was in a panic there at the end lol GGs

[jolly whale]

Yeah that was a great game.... That Adorious healed for so much! GG

Nice xp!

[hoary spindle]

hahaha hell yeah i need that XP badly need to grind this month

Thats it for me have a good night GGs

[dense chasm]

I know that feeling.

I've had games where I lost so much that I started wondering why I was even queueing again 😅

What usually keeps me going isn't rewards, it's finding a game that captures me enough to make me want to figure it out.

That's why different genres solve this problem differently. MMOs often give progression even when you lose. Competitive games usually reward learning, mastery and climbing instead.

Maybe that's why this discussion is so interesting. Some players need progression to stay motivated, while others are happy as long as they feel they're improving.

For me, when a game really clicks, I don't need much of a reward to queue again. The game itself becomes the reward.

And if a game doesn't capture me... eventually I stop coming back.

That's probably why finding the right game is so important for every gamer 🙂

[dense chasm]

That actually helps me understand your perspective a lot better 🙂

So for you, Arena is currently serving a purpose beyond Arena itself.

You're building your collection, leveling Illuvials and preparing for what comes next.

I think that's probably where some of my confusion comes from.

A lot of the players I'm talking to seem to have reasons to play Arena, but those reasons are often connected to something outside Arena itself.

I'm still trying to figure out what makes someone wake up and think:

"I want to play Arena today."

Not because they need levels, rewards or preparation.

Just because they genuinely want to play Arena.

Maybe I'm asking the wrong question, but that's the puzzle I'm trying to solve 😅

[dense chasm]

What I like about Arena is actually pretty similar to what I like about TFT, Battlegrounds and other competitive strategy games.

I like trying to figure things out, experimenting, learning systems, and the feeling that there is always something I could have done better.

I also think Arena looks incredible visually, and I genuinely believe Illuvium has built one of the strongest Web3 gaming ecosystems so far.

That's probably why I keep digging into it. I can see the potential.

At the same time, games don't get a free pass from me just because they're similar to games I already enjoy. They still have to earn my time.

That's probably the question I'm still trying to answer for myself:

What would make me choose Arena? 🙂

Well, nobody said anything for 5 hours, so I assumed the channel had become my personal blog 😅

[vivid stone]

Awesome ✨ I hope you choose it.. stay and see what happens once the full ecosystem is back in play again.
Things can change on a dime. 😊

[vivid stone]

Haha I love that.
I haven't slept much so I've been resting ready for bed.

Blog away 😬

[dense chasm]

It doesn’t seem like I have many options left. The market chose for me 😁

[dense chasm]

Get some rest ❤️

[vivid stone]

Yeah it does seem that way.
It could be provident 😅
Catch you next time?
Maybe we could queue for a game together with Torial as well. Although her illuvials are beasts and she plays pretty good too.

[dense chasm]

That's some next level win-trading allegations incoming 😂🔥

I'd be up for it though. My gaming schedule is currently held together with coffee and pure luck 😅

I mostly play whenever I can find a free hour, but hopefully that'll change soon. Then we can definitely run some games together ❤️

[lime cloak]

For me there are probably 3 things, that keeps me playing Arena. Other than it's kind of becomes a "Habit" after playing the same game for such a long time.

I love strategy games, have played Chess my whole life.. and I enjoy trying to figuring out new "systems" and don't usually play the Meta. (which is actually the reason I chose this name for this game) I think Arena dose this fairly well.. but I dislike the randomness in the shop.. for me it becomes a bit too much game deciding RNG. (I don't mind some level of randomness, but think it could be tuned lightly to become less of a factor)... this is also why I liked the old Accented and survival modes better.

I also like to Collection and progression types of games, so it becomes a goal to get those good TPI Illuvials and and get my team to level 60, so using Arena to grind XP. (which dose become a bit weird, as it would fit better for the Overworld/MMO and maybe ILZ). I think its ok you can get some XP from playing Arena, but currently the XP boots are way too high, and it's clear that its just because the other sources of XP gain is currently missing.

Last reason is.. the competition... improving my understanding of the game and competing is also an important element of the game.. but think it would work a lot better with multiple leagues.. just like the "House League" Sylen has started.

[vale zephyr]

gg @dusty flame

[dusty flame]

ggs

[arctic turtle]

Mostly I'm here for what I hope illuvium can become some day. I keep playing arena Mostly to make my illuvals stronger for when that happens. I do enjoy gauntlet a bit, I would prefer if it was real Acendent I would play that a lot more. I also don't really have anything else that I would rather play at the moment. There are 2 games coming up that I will end up playing for a bit as there isn't really anything going on right now. I will be jumping back into Destiny 2 for a bit on the 9th and then Deliria (a 3d terraria) when it comes out at the end of June. But will be back soon after.

[noble hinge]

So, I am not a gamer. I played Age of Empires years ago because I liked watching the elephants kill things and got pretty good at the game.

Fast forward to a doctor telling me I needed to spend less time doing physical work and more time sitting. I turned to a game that I had invested in and followed it closely because I liked the Illuvials and the Illuvium world. It visually appealed to me enough I could get lost in it. I wanted all the Illuvials, got them all. Now I want to level them.

My hands don't work that well because of my nerve issues. I am not the fastest at positioning. I play more on my bad pain days because that is when I work less so that isn't conducive for me being at my best. These are the reasons that when I started playing OW I never planned on playing Arena at all but I tried it out and kept going back, even though I didn't get XP then. It was a short game that I do find interesting but if it weren't for the Illuvials themseleves would I play it? Probably not, I look at TFT and have no interest.

Illuvium is a creature capture game though so it isn't really odd that there are some people who are here because of their interest in the creatures first and foremost.

[prisma yarrow]

naked Tibiruko is the strongest...

[vale zephyr]

awesome comp @prisma yarrow sylen would love that

3 inferno 3 shock, nothing to do

i tried steam slayer; 3 behemot, doesnt work lol

[outer surge]

Unironically seeing Shock does make me happy

[prisma yarrow]

can t do this without crystal shores, i rolled up to 13x stack, and survived at the end with less than 10 life cant do that in full competitive lobby

[vale zephyr]

but we were 7 reel player in this lobby so gg

[prisma yarrow]

I feared you and someone else

[vale zephyr]

hold my beer 😄

[prisma yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bière-beer-fail-murge-gif-16408634

now that I think about it, I could had made 4 shock and 2 inferno instead not sure if it would had been better

[dense chasm]

That's actually a really interesting breakdown.

What stands out to me is that two of the reasons you mentioned are things I'd naturally expect from a competitive strategy game: strategy and competition.

The progression part is where some of my confusion comes from.

I love progression systems too, especially in MMOs, so it's not that I dislike progression. I'm just still trying to figure out how much progression belongs inside a competitive strategy game.

Not saying it's wrong, just that I'm still trying to figure out where the balance should be 🤔

[vale zephyr]

it was better when shock targeted the lowest energy resistance

[wide eagle]

I think it's because you are looking at it from web2 games point of view. In Illuviums case, it's supposed to be many different games, connected by the illuvials and the collection you own. I'm not sure anything like this has been tried before

[outer surge]

For me, Illuvium keeps me here due to it being the "Pokémon Game I Wished Pokémon would make," As a life long gamer/esports fan/worker, creature capture genre games have been my favorite. But Pokémon hasn't adapted and made their main series games very interesting for me since Gen 3 thus I've been looking for an alternative for a long time. The only thing I really enjoyed recently was Legends: Arceus because that game was actually different.

I'm not a Web3 or Crypto guy. I had no idea it existed until I discovered Illuvium through a Pokémon YouTuber's video where Illuvium was an ad. Downloaded it because of the graphics and Overworld. Stayed for the community and the potential. Web3 is like Pokemon Home. Where you can store Pokemon and use them in other games. I want to see that dynamic with a similar set of games but one that is willing to be different.

Similar to many here my Arena grind is more for preparing for the MMO rather than the Arena itself. I hated autobattlers before Arena. But Illuvium had it grow on me. The mix and matching, building team comps, trying things not just to see if it works but just for the fun of it. I love that.

There is also a pride I feel as a creator. This isn't meant to be a shot at anyone in particular as this seems to happen all over Web3 gaming and not just Illuvium. But many people make content or sit on councils for games they don't actually play. So I personally take pride in being that guy that creates but is also very active in everything I create for.

I know I bring this up a lot but I see Arena the same as what Pokémon Champions is to the mainline Pokémon games. The mainline games are where you collect creatures quickly and then Champions is where you compete with them. But you could just progress by playing Champions if you wanted to. Illuvium did it backwards since we got Arena first instead of a mainline title and there still needs progression to happen just through Arena. But the potential is there.

[jolly whale]

So many words!

😘

[outer surge]

I yap alot I sorry

[low comet]

dafuck was that @outer sphinx HAHAHAHAHA

[outer sphinx]

u like that team?

[low comet]

Much scarier if you have 4 granite instead of harbinger but sheesh thats nasty. But i messed up my last positioning hahahah!

[outer sphinx]

that snake swap at the end 😄

[prisma yarrow]

you built the strongest ranger I ever saw

[outer sphinx]

im not sure yet, i think harbinger > granite

[outer sphinx]

haha, yeah insanely tanky

[low comet]

HAHAHAHAHA and my snake is infatuated on your ranger

[outer sphinx]

hahahahah

GG bro

[low comet]

I survived not getting bottom 4 just to fucked up last round HAHAHAHA

GG!

[prisma yarrow]

the entire game i was waiting for @low comet to die i was 80+ life and was like 23, i wanted to get behemoth too but after rolling 10 times and not getting anything i didnt want to compete with him for it

[outer sphinx]

if i didnt have immunity prism and 5 psion, i probably would've lost against behemoths perma stun, was already close..

[outer sphinx]

yeah he did really nice comeback

[low comet]

There was a time I only have 15 gold, we're even in mjoll but you're ahead of money. I thought you will roll hahahaha

[prisma yarrow]

i was counting on you to get him out

[low comet]

I see it makes sense now why I dont bash enough hahhaha

If you used sota's titanor gameover real quick hahahaha

[outer sphinx]

i tried sorry

mine's also kinda good

but lvls missing

[low comet]

Thats why its so hard too! HAHAHAHAHA

[outer sphinx]

nowadays i usually build 1 immunity prism just in case i face behemoths xD

[low comet]

delete this hahhaha I spam behemoths hahahha

[outer sphinx]

hahahah

[low comet]

reminds me of whity before hahaha he was the best with behemoths

[dense chasm]

That's fair.

I probably do look at it from a competitive gamer perspective.

At the same time, the connected-games idea is exactly what makes Illuvium interesting to me.

I'm just trying to figure out whether those connections make the games stronger, or create new trade-offs.

Maybe that's why I'm asking so many questions 😅

[outer sphinx]

dont know him, played overworld mostly at that time

but behemoths are so anti fun play against if you have no cc immunity

[lime cloak]

Think I am also mostly still here for what Illuvium can become, when all the pieces fit better together. with a MMO, multiple Arena modes and better utility for the Landholders... the IP they have build is really strong, and deserves some good games!

I have also played a lot of Everquest and WOW, with a guild that competed to be first to take down those big bosses and that was definitely a quite unique time... Still remember when we took down Nefarian, and all the strategy that went into all those failed attempts, and the satisfaction when he went down, and we could claim the "server first kill in Orgrimmar". I don't know if Illuvium would be able to capture some of those elements, and time now is also a bit different, generally people dont want to spend as much time "grinding" for the progression... but some of the core elements are the same... Sense of progression, challenging content you have to beat, strategy/theorycrafting , and social elements. how well Arena fits into this, I am not sure, but its and interesting concept that could work, although they are normally for different audience. (this is also why we need those other arena mode, not just the current "TFT clone" 🙂 )

[regal hound]

My first Nef kill was amazing time as well, really liked four horsemen, gonna be hard to reproduce. If we had more time id like to go back to those massive raids for a niche audience but cant have it all 😅

[lime cloak]

Also remember a 6+ hour long "corpse run" after raid wipe on Innoruuk in Plane of Hate in EverQuest 😄
Those where different times.... (Everquest still releases new content, I guess it must be one of the oldest MMO's that is still active)

Not expecting the same level of massive raids, I also think it's not needed... but its good to draw some inspirations from those games, and also try to figure out why we spend so much time with them 🙂

[dense chasm]

Appreciate you taking the time to write all that.

The Pokémon comparison actually helped me understand your perspective a lot better.

What stood out to me is that Arena seems to serve a purpose beyond Arena itself. For you it's part of a bigger Pokémon/MMO journey rather than just a competitive game.

I think that's where a lot of my questions come from.

The more people reply, the more I realise different players are getting value from completely different parts of the ecosystem.

I'm not even saying that's wrong. I'm just trying to understand what happens when those motivations eventually pull in different directions and which objective takes priority.

Either way, thanks for the detailed breakdown. It genuinely gave me a lot more context 🙂

[fading mountain]

By the way, why was Illuvium created?

[west musk]

eyo all

**MONTHLY RATTYDATA GAUNTLET TOURNAMENT 🏆 **
SEASON 01 OPENS MONDAY!!

Grind for a spot. Compete for prizes. Every month.
Available to Ratty Tourney Stamp Holders & Club Members

**THE POINTS GRIND **
(Mon / Wed / Sat · 1-4 pm PST)
Just play ranked as usual... all eligible folks' points will be tracked by the RattyData Ladder page

THE FINALE Tournament (last Saturday of each month · 1pm PST)
Top 8 from the ladder play BO3 matches. Top cumulative score wins.

THE PRIZES
Every 3rd month: $500 wETH prize pool added on top.
Buuuut... Since June is the kickoff month we starting with $500 pool 1st = $300, 2nd = $150, 3rd = $50

HOW TO PLAY
Mint a Tourney Stamp ($4) -OR- a Club Member NFT ($100) and play with the account it lives in
Show up and play ranked Monday 1-4pm PST
Score points. Climb the ladder.

Ladder lives at rattydata dot com/leaderboard

[dense chasm]

That's actually interesting because I think you've highlighted the same thing Sylen did from a different angle.

Both of you seem to be here more for what Illuvium can become than for Arena by itself.

As someone who also comes from MMOs, I completely understand the appeal of progression, theorycrafting and social systems.

The question I'm still trying to figure out is where Arena sits in all of that. Is it meant to stand on its own as a competitive game, or is it primarily part of a larger ecosystem?

Because depending on the answer, a lot of the design decisions suddenly make more sense.

[fading mountain]

Wait, can you actually rent Illuvials?

[west musk]

Yes, rattydata made a rental system

[fading mountain]

This is pretty interesting.

[fading mountain]

Can I rent them to play ranked?

[dense chasm]

This is actually one of the best replies I've seen in this discussion.

Not because it disproves the TFT comparison. Because it explains why the comparison keeps creating friction.

TFT players start with competition. You started with the creatures. Same game. Completely different motivation.

The real challenge for Illuvium isn't choosing one audience over the other. It's building a system that can serve both without disappointing either. That’s a much harder problem than most people realize.

[ashen mango]

Great initiative, thanks for your work Ratty 🫡

So it is 1 tournament every 3 month correct?

[west musk]

No no... one tournament per month...

every the 3rd months is $500 pool + nfts

in between months is nft prizes

But there may be some sponsorship coming and I can fill out more for the other months... will see (:

[ashen mango]

What NFTs?

[west musk]

TBD... havent decided yet
They will be posted in the tournament page when I do tho... so everyone can see what they are

Probably a mix of Illuvials, Illuvitars... might make a custom Ratty fine art collection...

This first month June will kick off with $500 + nfts

[ashen mango]

What's the difference between a tourney stamp and a club member nft besides the price? @west musk

[west musk]

Stamps are like tickets into specific premium ratty things

Currently there are 2 types of stamps available

Tourney Stamps and Rental Stamps

Tourney Stamp lets you grind points and be eligible for the monthly tourney
Rental Stamp lets you rent illuvials from landlords (not list)

Ratty Club membership is full access to premium RattyData things... Zero Plot manage, Landlord Illuvials, and all future features. Certain features stamps will never be available for... like access to these (Listing rentals, and Zero manager) This is to provide value to the membership NFTs but yet allow stamps to participate easily in certain parts of the ecosystem.

Also... Stamps are soulbound, non-transferrable and infinite
Club NFTs are capped at 100 for set 1

--

I'm not a particular fan of subscriptions... I rather love Web3 ideals, therefore stamps and membership via nft keeps with this spirit

[nimble gale]

Is the club member mint a 1 time fee for life of your business endeavor or is it the length of the season? How long does a season last? I assume that the tourney stamp is a per season basis.

[nimble gale]

Sorry if this has been explained and I’m again

[nimble gale]

I loved EQ! I too have died on the Plane of Hate. 😂. I am hopeful that at some point Illuvium could hit that type of epicness!

[west musk]

yep... club nfts are full access to rattydata premium things fo life

https://tenor.com/view/oursi-cat-thuglife-gif-12418163

[west musk]

Tourney Stamp is access for all tourneys as long as rattydata sustains

Seasons are per month… points reset each month after monthly tournament.

More info at
RattyData dot com/tournaments

[west musk]

It's come up that might be better to bump the grind window up a bit

Considering one hour earlier so...

M - W - Sat 12-3pm PST

Someone asked why not make the whole day available to grind points...
The idea with a dedicated window is to encourage fuller, more competitive lobbies during that window rather than a full day which would encoourage quantity over competition.

Hopefully the hour bump up helps with managing timezone differences a bit better

[shut yacht]

who is holdmybeer?

[nimble gale]

Sad. For those of us working a 9-5. If you hold the Membership NFT, will you be able to participate in the tournament if you aren’t able to make the grind hours?

[west musk]

The monthly grind is to encourage more competitive lobbies throughout the month... so therefore , no skipping the point system for the Ratty Monthlys

However... doesn't mean I can't make a specific Club Holder only tournament... which actually would make sense and be a benefit for club members

Will put more thought into that... and see how that might look

[prisma yarrow]

good question but I took it and never gave it back

[nimble gale]

Yeah I’m not trying to avoid them but work will definitely get in the way. Thanks for the reply.

[ashen mango]

Why not simply count the 15 first games during any dedicated window? This would simplify the qualification a lot from a player perspective

We have 3 windows but we don't have to play all of them

[west musk]

That’s actually not a bad idea honestly. My main goal was just avoiding a system where unlimited grinding becomes the deciding factor, so a capped number of games during the dedicated windows could potentially accomplish the same thing while keeping it simpler.

I dig it

15 games tho

[ashen mango]

It could be first 12 games, 3 dedicated windows and 7h per window

This way we can do all the games in 1 window

7h is a bit long

Maybe 6

[west musk]

yah maybe 6 hour window and first 6 games

6 games in a day for some is A LOT even

Or even first 3 games... thats more manageable and seems more realistic for people yet 3 games allows for building points still

[ashen mango]

First 6 games isn't enough imo
It should be at least 8

[shut yacht]

is @safe valve holdmybeer?

[ashen mango]

We're going to fight VS a lot of bots so we need more games

It also lowers RNG a lot

What do you think about first 8 games, 5h windows?

[west musk]

Yes... if the time window expands then it leans into what I am trying to avoid... quantity over quality

[ashen mango]

8 games is rather low for a qualifier

[west musk]

i dont think so personally... play style seems different

[west musk]

well... its 3 windows per week for almost 4 weeks

[shut yacht]

he has a strong enough deck to beat my 3 inferno 2 arcanite 2 behemoth deck

[ashen mango]

No I mean 8 first game count for the entire month

[west musk]

Ohhhh bro

[ashen mango]

Now I understand better why we disagree

[west musk]

😅

See I am trying to stir competition regularly

[ashen mango]

Then 6 first games per week sounds fine to me 🙂

And they can be 4h windows

No need for 6h

Average game duration: 29 min

Even 5 games is good

It will be 20 games total per month

[west musk]

This could work yes... that gives 24 ish games screening which is plenty

4hr windows sound good too.... nice middle ground and people can miss a day or parts of it and still be good

will revise the tourney page.... this should help for better player inclusion

[shut yacht]

I've used your site enough already to justify the mint...looking forward to the future. Rental deck is ready to go!

[prisma yarrow]

well time to fight for justice

and been a bit curious

[outer surge]

Prize Breakdown From Yesterday's House League
Starter Decks will be sent out within the next few days.
Autodrone Run prizing will be opened and shipped on Wednesday during This Week In Illuvium.
BEYOND prizing has been submitted to Illuvium and should be available by midweek this upcoming week.

[worldly jolt]

I think it’s great fun

[ebon pagoda]

what is

[noble radish]

I assume he's talking about how much fun I have making new channels.

[icy roost]

What's this channel? Am I in beta now??

[unique moss]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-oh-my-oh-my-god-oh-my-gosh-oh-my-goodness-gif-21532976

[fallow basalt]

wen more Illuvials?

[ebon pagoda]

so peaceful here

[frail aspen]

Oooooh, fancy new channel 🔥

[warm thicket]

just me or is 17 insane today?

or is it 18 thats insane? cant tell if i died on 17 or 18

[brazen quarry]

👀

[brazen quarry]

No, this is a channel to discuss everything about the beta

[icy roost]

I'll be ready!

[plain hatch]

oop

[warm thicket]

lol

how come no one told me u could preview the next wave ahead of time?

[plain hatch]

lel u jus click on the wave button

[warm thicket]

i clicked by accident and was like wtf is this

[plain hatch]

noice

crtl+d does smth pree nice too

[raven obsidian]

GM

Guys, I just tested positive with covid and cant go to work. guess whos guna be playing all day lol

[plain hatch]

sureeee

u can tell ur boss that

😉

jk jk lel hope u get better

[warm thicket]

how far yall getting so far?

[plain hatch]

i forgot the wave, but i was jus under 20th place

in wave

[raven obsidian]

hahha! first time getting it in over 2 years mind. feeling rough as!

[plain hatch]

i never got it

yuh yeet

[warm thicket]

same, havnt gotten it ......yet

[low wing]

YAY!!! Glad for this channel. Anyhow Beta keeps crashing today , can’t even report. Only one enemy Illuvial at stage 6, then froze on error window

[tacit glacier]

Working smoothly now on this graphic card!

[tiny badge]

looks like stage 1 got pulled again on accident lol

[warm kraken]

beta plz

[hidden plank]

give me beta sir pls

[brazen quarry]

This channel is not made for begging

[worldly jolt]

Take your gibeta to #💬〕general you bum. It’s been too long pika

[worldly jolt]

Ah yeah odd that’s not the same deck I’m running right now. Or maybe you are posting a capture of the deck you were playing earlier?

[worldly jolt]

Wave 15 or 16 of guess. I think it was 15 that kept beating me. Too many rhamph

[grand bluff]

How is everyone feeling about Blazenite right now? I feel it's very underwhelming to Archeleon, Adoreus, or even Air Staff ranger. I feel that the heal isn't that significant. Neither is the damage nor the slow attack debuff to justify having one on the field. I always seem to fare better if I just use another unit. Am I playing it wrong?

[worldly jolt]

Blazenite usually deals more damage than those others. A more offensive play I’d think.

[reef basalt]

What's the current count including those we can't see lol

[noble radish]

I don't exactly know, but I would say 400

[tepid turtle]

is blazenite bad or am i bad ?

[grand bluff]

Do you feel that Blazenite is bad too xD?

[tepid turtle]

Not worth 90

[reef basalt]

Kinda feels bad for 90 tbh

[quasi sage]

Im BoldFernite cant seem to surpass level 18. Currently #5 Here is my finishing board. Any suggestions what could I do differently?

Blazenite tanks fairly well. I think hes a jack of all trades master of none.

[vernal steppe]

I need some help I suck

any recommendations on videos to get good?

[zenith bough]

Wouldn’t mind being 401 to enter 😎

[noble radish]

It’s you. Always you.

[noble radish]

They were talking about channels, not beta participants.

Unless you want a channel for yourself.

[zealous ivy]

400 channels that's insane, even more behind the scenes I had no idea about

[low wing]

That was on Mac. I can’t even open it on PC now

[neon atlas]

Is there a way to scroll into the deck without a mouse?

[zenith bough]

It could be about Artifact, and all the ways it failed. Can admin that shit free of charge.

[warm thicket]

maybe the version is not up to date, mine run file shows about 280Kb, not 185Kb

[low wing]

I redownloaded and extracted a second time and it’s working now

[tawdry mortar]

Is it fun? (asking for a friend 👀 )

[zealous ivy]

sure as hell looks fun

[vernal steppe]

Honest review: Bear in mind i am mainly an investor and am an ex gamer (strictly only fps). First day i tried it i could see how it would appeal to many but tbh it just wasnt it for me, saw there was so much to learn and i found survival mode kinda slow paced. Im now at day 4 of having the beta and am hooked 🤣 skipped gym today to play which is very unlike me. Its a good game and this is only a small part of it. Bullish

A lot harder than it looks

[sand fable]

Yep so far Def not easy to reach waves 20+

Small mistake and your done 😅

Can't wait they implement the checkpoint for casual survival

[brazen quarry]

Ooooof first try wave 13 today, rekt

[wraith wind]

What is pb1?

[timid bone]

Private beta 1

[wraith wind]

Ok, thanks

[brave moat]

Hey pb means public beta, not closed. Are we launching soon?

Well it might mean private, but I like to interpret it the way it suits me.

[brazen quarry]

In this case it means private beta

[late lagoon]

Eurgh I thought seeing this channel meant I had just got access… but no, my heart can’t take this. Currently this week I have lost all my money and my kid has chicken pox lol. Kill me now!

[bitter patrol]

I'm off work time to play!! Yay a channel for me to talk about how bad I am

[zenith mortar]

PB1 Discussion channel I see you guys found it

[late lagoon]

Maybe need to set up a support channel for me if I don’t get picked for beta again this time round 🙂

[zenith mortar]

soon ticketing system

[late lagoon]

Ooo

[drifting ridge]

This channel is made for...

[grand bluff]

I can't see the leaderboard today. Any suggestion on how to fix this?

[drifting ridge]

Reposting this now that we have a channel for it:

PSA to beta testers
There are a number of different hotkeys & controls I've discovered so far:

Camera & Zoom:

• WASDQE controls camera and zoom (A&D do a nice side to side camera strafe, Q&E moves up and down)
• Arrow keys work same as WASD
• Hold right click with mouse to move around camera
• Mouse wheel zooms
• Space bar to reset zoom to default and Illuvial deck filters
• 1, 2 or 3 number keys for default camera views

Game hotkeys & commands

• Hover over afinity / class / Illuvial cards in deck to see more info
• Right click an Illuvial on the board to view its stats / affinity, etc
• Shift + Right click on ranger to change weapon / gear
• Shift + H Hide/unhide health bars
• Shift + U hide/unhide UI
• Click on "Wave" at top to see upcoming wave

System Hotkeys

• B for opening bug report menu
• Alt + Enter = toggle full screen / windowed mode

Bonus

• Control D: Easter egg that places non-battle frog - (can fill the board but not actually battle as it causes an error and relaunches game)

WEN start battle hotkey?

[raven obsidian]

Very nice!

[hot pond]

Hey guys, does anybody face the same issue as me trying to launch the game? I haven't been able to launch it once yet as I keep getting this crash after right after I log in with my email and password. I would really love to play and test the game 😦

[drifting ridge]

Which graphics card are you running?

[shut iris]

not for long..

[hot pond]

I have RTX 2080 super. And checked for latest drivers for every thing i could think of

[shut iris]

Fix coming soon.

[mighty fog]

Dose anyone know how to change the rangers weapon sets

[lean ivy]

Any ETA when the next build will be dropped? I understand if you don't have anything.

[brazen quarry]

Shift + right click

[unique moss]

Shift + RightClick on your ranger.
Then select a weapon and armor, then click "Equip" 🙂

[mighty fog]

Cheers guys

[shut iris]

I have the internal date. Public date: Soonish? 😄 Announcements come from Aaron, Kieran, Grant, and Marketing team

[shut iris]

Thank you, great summary!

[hot pond]

Is there also a fix regarding the UE4 crashes happening to me?

[torpid arrow]

The upcoming beta invites Kieran is hinting at happening something "soon", ranger only again or any participant?

Probably the wrong channel, whoops sorry.

[shut iris]

Haven't seen this one personally, it's a UE4 crash. Not sure if the cause is the Illuvium client or UE4 issue. That bug report gets sent to Epic not us. @zenith mortar please create a crash report so we can investigate.

[raven obsidian]

what comps we building today guys? I love experimenting building different affinities. Loving 6 Nature today, but tough against the fire illuvials!

[zenith mortar]

Roger dodger

[vernal forum]

Hope Rangers only but who knows, on twitter he said you just have to be in discord... 👀

[raven obsidian]

I've added some feedback to the bug reporter in the game, but will add some comments here to see what other people think?

1 - If you wanted to swap the position of 2 illuvials, implement a feature that allows you to pick up an illuvial and hover it over another illuvial for a short period (e.g. 2 seconds) to swap their positions. (this prevents double moving illuvials when trying to position)

2 - When hovering over Ranger equipment, allow it to show affinity and class count.

3 - Create a toggle feature in settings to keep illuvial deck up or not during battle. (it automatically disappears but comes back when you hover mouse over deck, personally I'd like the option to keep it there permanently)

4 - Create toggle feature in settings to choose between 'drag and drop' illuvials and 'click to pick up, click to drop' illuvials. Currently its a combo between both, but sometimes I find it a bit glitchy when trying to move small placements.

These are my main points brought up during the Beta, other than a few little glitches here and there, it is extremely polished and I'm chuffed to be part of the PB.

Well done team, great work!

[ancient lynx]

I have reported 1 and 2 in the feedback either.

[errant crane]

its amazing it took me a day to realize there would be a chat for this... now i just need to find tips to stop getting rogue stomped

[fair hemlock]

Get more rogues yourself and they will have nothing on you! 😄 No advice lol

[low lance]

Do you know how many people queuing to get the beta ? I'm playing TFT while waiting lol

[ebon pagoda]

guys gib beta role

[lime pike]

Anyone got idea how to pass wave 9?

19 i mean

Kept getting rekt by ryp

Tried different baits already

[errant crane]

i took your 'advice' and passed my hurdle a couple times in a row. I used to watch a show called School of Golf and they closed every episode with, "if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting"... i never listen

[worldly jolt]

I’m sorry for my ignorance but what is the “WEN” key?

[brazen quarry]

You are joking right?

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-wink-gif-15694137

[drifting ridge]

Place face on keyboard - roll across mumbling WEN

https://tenor.com/view/faceroll-keyboard-cant-even-tech-support-gif-20234453

[burnt urchin]

If we are already playing PB1 will we automatically be eligible for PB2?

[thin sail]

Anyone know when the new list of beta users drops? Will it be posted in this channel or a different one. I'm itching to get in and battle!

[warm kraken]

the previous list was posted in #📣〕announcements

[thin sail]

Dope thanks mate

[junior quartz]

Does anyone have any details on how PVP will work in regards to positioning your illuvials pre-battle? Will it be turnbased, real time with a countdown, etc? I can't wait to PVP you all!

[bitter patrol]

the deck today is uhhh haha idk how i even win some'

[junior quartz]

everyone seems to be getting stuck on wave 17

[bitter patrol]

yeah i just got 19th place

i feel like there are a lot of low tier units this deck so it makes it kinda hard. I didn't find myself changing my team at all after like round 13ish even with more points just not good picks

[warm kraken]

For now it's hidden on first round, then on the next round you see the setup of your opponent from the previous round but know they gonna switch 2 illuvials

[candid vessel]

How about position?

Random?

[warm kraken]

lmao no? That's a strategy game, not a gambling game

[candid vessel]

I mean, opponent put the first 1, then take turn?

Damn depress when seeing someone hits flr30 and I'm still struggling

[bitter patrol]

nvm i guess i didn't download it correctly oops

nono haha i thought it was the pvp flow someone posted in general but uhh it did't save right or something

here it is

#💬〕general message

[quasi sage]

Quick tip I noticed as well. When you hover over a composite or class such as bulwark it will highlight around the hexagon of each Illuvial with that benefit. Useful way of seeing where your tanks are positioned.

[mortal carbon]

any great tips for a newbie? 😄

[quasi sage]

https://c.tenor.com/LSPbESNm8hYAAAAM/git-gud-video-games.gif

JK try out all illuvials and see how they do against other illuvials you may be surprised that some can tank certain rogues pretty well. For instance atlas for 30 mastery points is an amazing tank.

Air shield on ranger is a great tank as well

[mortal carbon]

ah ye heard that aswell about atlas

thanks mate

[jolly hearth]

is there anywhere info about which affinities are good against what others?

and also: how does that work with dual affiniites?

[stark swift]

Courtesy of the Infoluvials:

Note that Strength/Weakness actually just dictates the rate at which Illuvials gain hyper. This is a power increase, but it's not the normal pokemon style strength/weakness you might expect.

[jolly hearth]

oof

that means basically the damage does NOT differ depending on what fights what?

and hyper? Is that the tiny yellow bar on the left?

[stark swift]

Well when an Illuvial fills its' hyper meter, it has empowered attacks and omegas. So it's a power increase at the point the bar is full.

But like, a fire illuvial doesn't do bonus damage to a nature illuvial, for example, it just gets more hyper against them (and when the bar is full, it does more damage overall).

And yes, hyper is the yellow bar.

[jolly hearth]

hm. I coud swear it does make a difference. I sent the solo ranger against the same wave 1 air creature once with a fire sword and once with a water sword and the water sword ranger easily defeated the air illuvial while the fire-sword-ranger lost

[mortal carbon]

gonna put those on my second screen 😄

[zealous ivy]

the weapons also have different stats, so that could be the cause

[stark swift]

I just double checked on round 1 of today. The only difference in damage taken to my ranger against wave 1 (Lura, Earth) was due to the small difference in defensive stats between fire sword and air staff.

The abilities each weapon confers make a big difference though, and a hyper'd Illuvial can cause some serious damage. It's just not what you might intuitively think.

[jolly hearth]

i would have ntuitively thought that water would be best against fire... does not seem to be the case then...

[stark swift]

Some water Illuvials against a Fire TEAM gain more hyper, and so can do more damage when they go hyper. But yeah, matching a single water into a single fire doesn't matter much if the water doesn't ever reach hyper.

Limiting how much hyper the dangerous Illuvials on your opponent's team can get is also a factor, a hyper'd Ramphyre can cause some damage.

It took me some time to come to terms with this as well, I was thinking about it exactly how you were haha

"Oh, a Spore Rogue? Counter with... Fire!" And then confused when I got shrecked, because I didn't use a particularly tanky Illuvial, I just thought "It's the counter!".

[quasi sage]

I believe the hyper system is being streamlined as well so what's in PB1 will change to a more simplistic approach. Aaron mentioned

[jolly hearth]

they could at least somehow show it in the UI

[ancient sundial]

praying i get on this new wave of PB. need something to do beside chart watch

[tight bluff]

thats something he mentioned improving

[burnt urchin]

@stark swift Thanks for the info. Now I know why my boards are not winning like I think they should. Haha.

[jolly hearth]

yes , I think this info helps alot. Thx for sharing. Maybe I will not keep losing wave 11 all the time...

[burnt urchin]

Does anyone know of a place to find more about game mechanics other than infoluvial.io?

[covert patrol]

What changes do you guys think will be implemented in this new wave?

[lethal widget]

illuvialmaster does a great job as well

[burnt urchin]

@lethal widget Thanks. I should have just asked in YGG discord :).

[lethal widget]

Lol all good

[warm kraken]

Watch this for a faster reference!

That circle on the right can be learned sooo quickly and then you can deduce advantages in no time

Just gotta take a few minutes to understand it the first time

[warm thicket]

so i see i can open multiple instances of the game, but more testing to do with performance 😏

[warm thicket]

i hope this gets fixed 🤣

[candid galleon]

This is perfect, thank you

[analog umbra]

How much ram and what gpu

And with 4 open that’s why lol but I’m still curious

[warm thicket]

I meant fixing the ppssibility of running more than 1 so 1 player cant gain earning by having multiple accts they play lol

But thats 32 gb ram, 12 core/24 thread processor, rtx 2070 super 8hb veam

[ruby hearth]

I have an i9 10850k, 32gb of fast ddr4 and a 1080ti. 1080ti's are still so good, only downside now is their hdmi ports don't support 144hz at 4k. will get a 3080ti just for illuvium so I can play in 4k at max graphics and will use the 1080 to encode the video for a 4k stream. I also just got 1000 down 100 up internet!

I don't have PB access yet but plan on streaming it full time

[brazen quarry]

👀

[unique moss]

[worldly jolt]

@warm kraken Does it get too distracting to add something like green and red arrows or shading next to the end of the bars or to the affinity circles? Could help as a constant reminder of the direction of advantage.

[warm kraken]

In my version I added a big arrow beside the chart. What's missing maybe in this version is nuance in the advantages. Here we only see advantages and disadvantages but the circular chart actually let's you see the intensity of the advantage also.

It's really hard to come up with a final perfect design, but when we get it it's gonna be the ultimate tool for quick info

At least there the range at the bottom right. But we need info on how it behaves inside the chart.

Anyway I'm going to bed gn

[worldly jolt]

👋🏽

Forgot that wasn’t your work up.

[warm kraken]

If you look at the interactive version of that chart on Illuvialmaster website, when you clic an element, other elements gets an highlight that is greener for bigger advantages for example

And closer to yellow for smaller advantages

We gotta find a way to show that on a printable version

I see it easy in my mind but that's cuz I've spent a lot of time on these chart

But we gotta make it so everybody understands it in a glimpse

I'm sure the Infoluvial team could come up with a brilliant edit of these circular charts but they don't seem to like the idea

Yet

[opal rain]

Looks amazing!

[edgy mica]

He guys, do you know somewhere where all the stats in Illuvium are explained (like agility, grit etc...)? I found Illuviualmaster.com but is there another one?

[candid galleon]

Honestly I found it very easy to use, just the way it is.

[edgy mica]

Just discovered the site and it looks clear that's neat

[dusk shell]

Guys i'm doing some basics test from illuvials but i found some discrepancy: Round 1 of today has vermillia as opponent an AIR REVENANT with 1650 Healt: according to the table Verdant is the combo wich plays better against him. If i select Archeleon ( stage 3 verdant 1450 healt ) and they go fighting each other, the verdant one really sucks despite the advantage he should have.What am i missing ?

[drifting ridge]

affinities are currently applied to team wide only - not individual illuvials yet. Beta things. Eventually will be optimized for each illuvial

[zealous ivy]

the advantage doesn't make archeleon do more damage against vermillia, it charges up a meter called "hyper" this mechanic is not too clear right now but basically it empowers the illuvials omegas. also archeleon is a support so he won't be doing much killing while vermillia is a rogue who specializes in killing a single target quickly. you probably didn't get to see the result you were looking for because of this

[dusk shell]

Sorry for my bad english i do not get the concept: what do you mean team wide only? i got ( if i understand well singles does not have benefits ) how can i let teams have a benefit?

[dusk shell]

So this means that they charge the special attack faster only ? it's not a matter of damage increased or decreased ?

[edgy mica]

yep you can find a video about hyper mode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvZKTSav0L8&t=4s it's not intuitive

[brazen quarry]

Like having 3 of the same class

[dusk shell]

a ok but that is the basic interacxtion between classes, i was referring to that + or minus i can find in some chart on internewt ( like on illuvimaster )

[fair hemlock]

we are hard at work at creating a better overview of the affinities and classes and how they work. Next week you'll be able to find a lot more accurate details on Infoluvial .io 🙂

[dusk shell]

Don't want to be misunderstood: you guys are doing a great job and thanks for this support. Mine are just basic questions to understand the game and what's behind numbers, not criticism at all

[drifting ridge]

Currently: Currently all advantages / disadvantages are added up as an entire team vs the other team. Individual affinity advantages are not yet calculated. Ex: Team of 3 earth Illuvials + 1 air vs team of 3 fire Illuvials +1 nature = the whole earth team is calculated to have advantage.

Eventually: Each Illuvial will have these advantages / disadvantages will be calculated for EACH Illuvial (meaning affinity will then matter in each 1v1 Illuvial placements in battles)

[dusk shell]

this symbol stays for accuracy ? how does it influences the combat ?

[fair hemlock]

the basic accuracy / precision of illuvials is 25 and decides how often other illuvials can dodge your attacks. You will see that rogue illuvials often have a higher precision.

[edgy mica]

Just to make sure, the advantage / disadvantage of affinities will only be through hypermeter, there is no other aspect it impacts?

[dusk shell]

but as i understood there is no RNG so i should be able to predict how much dam is done basically in a 1 vs 1 encounter, right ?

[fair hemlock]

yes. If you place your illuvials the same every time, it should give you a very similar result with only very minor differences. or 0 differences even.

[dusk shell]

speaking of plain combat, the damage type is always physical while the special attack is energy type ? or there are mix kind of damages?

[zealous ivy]

i think omega abilities have a mix, but basic attacks are always physical

[fair hemlock]

The omega ability will tell you what type of damage you will deal. some classes such as arcanite will add energy damage to your raw attack as well.

[zealous ivy]

unless an omega ability empowers the basic attacks then they can have a mix as well

oops garfoodle just said that

[dusk shell]

but the mix attack is showed as the sum of 2 types or i will se how much damage for each type: i explain myself. Pretend raw dam is 60 i should see 60 every attack: now if i got an ability wich adds 30 energy dam per attack, shall i see 90 or 60 + 30 ?

[fair hemlock]

will need someone that has more insight on that to answer you 😄 I was confused by the two numbers each attack as well 🙂

[dusk shell]

ehehe sorry

[drifting ridge]

not sure tbh. I know hyper is confirmed. Not sure if other effects will be related to affinities or class

[edgy mica]

OK, well eager to see what's gonna happen with that, seems very complex (many afifnities + different modificators)

[zealous ivy]

sorry i'm not sure about that one either, but in the damage summary charts you can see which damage types an illuvial does (i think it's color based, red for physical and blue for energy, don't quote me on this though Im digging deep into my memory) but in that chart you can see which illuvial does what types of damage. i think you can find those charts by switching in the top left from showing your synergies to the different charts

[tawdry mortar]

When do i start refreshing my mails to see if i'm in?

[brazen quarry]

Yesterday

[opaque fjord]

I will put an arrow there just like what @warm kraken mentioned but I’m currently working on the roster builders. I will tag you once I post it. Thanks.

[cobalt ice]

Thanks for the camera angle info. That's been my only complaint so far.

[hasty blaze]

For people getting into the pb1 today. 1. Congrats, enjoy it. 2. Report bugs and give feedback! Just playing the game can give useful data relating to the servers, but you provide the most value for the long run when you speak up!

[onyx sundial]

Has the next round been announced!? Hoping like hell I make the cut.

[hasty blaze]

Within the next 2 hours if the same patterns as last time play out

[icy roost]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-beg-please-homer-the-simpsons-gif-15706311

[vernal forum]

i hope so i can get up to the Train

🔥

[unkempt cypress]

checking Discord every 5 minutes during work but still no news, can't wait to know that I again missed the train haha.

[abstract compass]

the 24 hours have past

[unkempt cypress]

Kieran had too many meeting they most likely still need to select the participants right now.

[abstract compass]

No i think its over, first we got the pandemic, then a war, then a bear market and no beta

[stark swift]

https://tenor.com/view/its-rough-out-there-its-a-dog-eat-dog-world-out-there-its-hard-out-there-its-not-easy-out-there-its-difficult-out-there-gif-15543651

[grand bluff]

Private Beta 1 is too addicting lol.... I've been trying out different failed builds and I wanna try more. I can see how I'd probably spend more than I like to get Illuvials so I can try out different team composition once the game is out. Rip me 💵

[drifting ridge]

100% this.

[drifting ridge]

RIP all of our wallets once launch hits 😂

[unkempt cypress]

welcome to hundreds of Illuvials I would say

[brave moat]

Please don't give me beta access, I prefer to go out this weekend and clear my head from the whole crypto world. Thank you.

[errant crane]

how about a 'drag to select' option where you can select multiple in the Planning stage (like you would file icons on your desktop) and move them as a whole. or even a 'mirror image' option that flips your layout to the other side of the map.

[drifting ridge]

I do like this multi-select option idea. I think the same that it could be nice.

Keys 1, 2, and 3 change camera angles - no 180* mirror option yet, but 2 and 3 flip to between a mirrored side view

[drifting ridge]

I know you're usually against reading instructions, but I've made a list of all the in-game commands here if you want to have a look 😉 #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[zenith mortar]

Its pinned to m8

[pine knoll]

when get the next players for the pb selected?

[unkempt cypress]

once Kieran is awake 😄

[abstract compass]

13:47 12/5-22 Kieran wrote on twitter that "500 more are going into the private beta in the next 24 hours"

it is now 17:38 13/2

[pine knoll]

will it be like the last time so that only rangers can get selected?

[lean ivy]

I'll be streaming in 30 mins doing my first run of the day if anyone wants to see how I theorycraft and work on the new days deck. Can also chat with me during the live stream from the ACG voice channels. You can find the stream in #🎨〕community-content and our guild discord invite in #899655780033261639 Hope to train with y'all! 💪

[woven flint]

wave 21 is sick, can t get how some people got over
GL

[lean ivy]

Well lets see if we can get past it and test Frobei at 27 😉

[woven flint]

I am done for the day, really can t figure this one out, I'll take a look at your run if I have some time 😄
Good luck !

[tall rover]

really praying for a pb spot this time! so jealous watchin everyone stream 😄 😄

[stark swift]

I got 19'd on my first run of the day, hoping I have time later to push into the 20's

I LOVE the deck today, Magma is my bae

[woven flint]

Same !
Actually it s the 22 Wich is hard I think, I am stuck at 21 waves conquered.

This deck is really fun !
Enjoy it too !

[hasty blaze]

I am thinking someone can push 30 today

[main pecan]

I come before you all to admit it - I'm a scrub. Can't seem to find the right positioning or tactics to get me into the teen waves. Anyone got any links to good info that'll help me suck less?

[tight bluff]

yep, if you have beta access and are not submitting a bunch of feedback your sorta worthless.

[main pecan]

On this note I submitted a load of feedback in one big message but got no confirmation etc - is that normal?

[hasty blaze]

yeah, be a high value beta contributor

[zealous ivy]

ill take your spot then

[warm kraken]

Honestly, watch streamers at the reset. That would be at 20:00 EST. It helps a lot

[main pecan]

Any streamers you can recommend? I am clueless

[warm kraken]

Directly on this server, there are 6 streamers discussing strategy everyday at that time

[main pecan]

Ahh amazing. Only EST is like 1am here in the UK I think :/

[warm kraken]

Time to buy some coffee

[main pecan]

I might just scroll up in the morning instead. Appreciate your help :)

[warm kraken]

more seriously, watch #🎨〕community-content . A few content creators already posted videos on strategy and stuff

[main pecan]

Ah amazing, thank you!

[brazen quarry]

You still don't have coffee?

[warm kraken]

Nah girl, and this makes me sad. But I dont have anything to eat for dinner so I'll buyy some while at the grocery store

[brazen quarry]

[warm kraken]

OMG why the fuck is there a truck honking in my neighbourhood for hours now

He just wanders with his sand honking

[brazen quarry]

It's the coffee truck

[warm kraken]

I wish

[unique moss]

Lol-- instead of a jingle like on ice cream trucks, it's just a blaring horn.
"WAKE UP YOU LITTLE SH--S AND GET YOUR COFFEE!"

[brazen quarry]

I would wake up for that!

[warm kraken]

love it

[pine knoll]

I guess there won’t add new beta testers today?

[unique moss]

Might depend on which "day" you're on-- I think the it's just about to be daylight in Australia and Kieran should hopefully be waking up to coordinate with Rich on getting the testers selected today. Stay tune for official updates in #📣〕announcements though

[pine knoll]

Didn’t consider that, thanks

[tawdry mortar]

new keys already went out? Edit, just read. thx

[warm kraken]

so it was aa truck alerting people to remove their cars from the streets, cuz a company was going to wash the streets an hour later from all the sand that was put there during the winter

[grand bluff]

Anyone experiencing issues with Leaderboard sometimes showing no entry? I've reported it as a bug, but is there a known temp fix to this (tried restarting game but didn't work)?

[pale fossil]

Much better, no need to spam general.

I'm getting taken out so much by Rhamphyre I'm putting him in round 1 now no exceptions.

[sly widget]

RIP - Not high enough to get into PB1

[honest pawn]

today's deck kinda lacks dmg

[warm kraken]

Hard Worker Vermiliare lmaoooo

[glad obsidian]

I haven’t put much thought into it personally, but has anyone raised any questions regarding the mastery point evaluation? Does everyone think that each illuvial is valued appropriately?

[zealous ivy]

oh now that is an interesting question, i wonder how they came up with the mastery point values in the first place if it was stats and tier based or what

[bitter haven]

I think its just based on tier

[zealous ivy]

are all tier 5s worth the same amount of mastery points?

[bitter haven]

Would be interesting to see it used as a balancing mechanism to have things cost +/-5 of their tiers cost but doubt theyd do that

Yep all 3 stage tier 5 illuvials cost 100

[zealous ivy]

ah okay that makes sense

[cobalt ice]

How much of a scrub am i if i cant get past round 9

Wagmi??

[glad obsidian]

Ramphyre, Titanor, and who else?

[warm kraken]

Think about your positions. Tanks units gotta protect your dps

its more complex then that, but it should make you progress further then wave 9

[warm kraken]

dualeph

[glad obsidian]

But I wonder how accurate the evaluations really are, you know? I know most of the time it will situational, so that’s hard to value, but what if a 100 mastery point rhamphyre is undervalued compared to a 100 mastery point titanor. Just an example. We might not really know unless we dig into it

[glad obsidian]

Ah, thank you

[warm kraken]

It definitely isnt accurate! Balancing isnt properly done, it is normal. Just watch the stage 3 snail. What is his price, 60 mastery point? But he is one of the strongest units

those price are solely based on Tiers for the moment, and those tiers were chosen before testing.

[zealous ivy]

thats what the beta testers are here for, gotta help polish out the game as much as possible

[glad obsidian]

Oo, good point on seeforus! Yeah, I don’t expect it to be perfectly balanced at the moment, but curious as to if anyones thought much about it since the numbers were published

[glad obsidian]

Definitely. I know I for sure wouldn’t have thought to bring it up if I weren’t playing the beta

[warm kraken]

there are still a few bugs to clear before they can even balance properly. Scoriox gains twice the intended attack, per omega. Air staff gives more attack speed. Etc. Dont mind the balance for now, lets focus on clearing bugs as beta testers

[glad obsidian]

Right, and we wouldn’t be aware of those things if no one brought them up 🙂

[warm kraken]

exactly. The balancing AI cannot detect such things. It would simply balance the illuvial around its unintented behavior

[pale fossil]

Left wave 12 sitting there for 3 hours whilst I did some chores, came back, pressed Play and the fight worked. Good persistent infrastructure 💪

[glad obsidian]

Does anyone have any specific “rules” they’ve been playing by that have been working for them?

[pale fossil]

First get used to laying town Bulwarks and Fighters to tank and Blast with some Psions.

On the left, get as many to 3 or 6 as you possibly can, really work those synergies.

Then eventually, learn how to match the right elements/affinities with each other. You'll be climbing in no time.

As you are learning, change Arlen to Air Shield and user her to tank, she's very useful like that.

[bitter haven]

If I had to guess I think it would make more sense to balance illuvial stats rather than mastery points

[lean ivy]

You can find your leaderboard rank if you go to the leaderboard in the the main illuvium website. Even if you are not top 20.

Go to register for beta>login>and then click the leaderboard tab to see your rank

[grand bluff]

Thanks!

[cobalt ice]

How do you "change arlen?" She's the hero, right?

[brazen quarry]

Shift + right click

[zealous ivy]

youre not changing her, but just her equipment

[hallow ivy]

hello! good morning everyone 😄

[mortal carbon]

Morning all

[pale fossil]

Almost top 10.

[candid glade]

Can you see all players on the leaderboard?

[dark scaffold]

only top 20 😦

[brazen quarry]

Nice!

[pale fossil]

People are still asleep in USA and Europe yes?

[pine knoll]

I got selected today when will I be able to play?

[brazen quarry]

It's lunch time in Europe

[brazen quarry]

Wait for the email

[pine knoll]

👍🏼

will there be a problem if I have a different email on discord then I have registered online?

[candid glade]

It is 12 am in Switzerland

[pale fossil]

I'm trying to do well without Rogues, it's tough.

[candid glade]

Is the deck today easy?

@pale fossil what is your record?

[pale fossil]

That's it brother, I'm learning auto battlers as we go. I'll get pushed out soon when more northern hemisphere players log in.

[candid glade]

At least you are making progress bro 🔥🔥

[sand fable]

Game crashed when you re about to enter top 10 😅

[summer tapir]

How do I download the game

[unique moss]

If you have been selected to participate in the beta, you likely need to wait for the team to get your account all set on their end... then you'll receive an email when it's ready. But pretty much once it's ready, you'll have the option to go through the next steps when you log in on play.illuvium.io

[versed dew]

I'm getting crazy checking my email every minute 😑 guess I didn't make it to the list this time either 😭

[icy roost]

Did you check the list? #💬〕general message

[shrewd igloo]

I'm in the beta

[candid glade]

Congrats 🔥

[gleaming pasture]

i can see i got picked for pb1, but how to i start to play?

[abstract compass]

wait for the email

[worldly wren]

https://tenor.com/view/kyriostsahs-lonely-waiting-quarantine-life-gif-18073672

[abstract compass]

500 handwritten by kieran i belive

[warm kraken]

look at the pinned messages from april 22nd in general. Kieran screenshotted a message from johnny, saying "3 sent, 5 sent". It looks automated, but slow. And we know it wont start until beeginning of the week

[neon atlas]

It is the weekend, so don't expect it soon

[dusky pendant]

Just grateful to finally be getting my hands on the beta🙏

[abstract compass]

ohh, i was only joking about the emails being handwritten

[worthy storm]

I'm on the list, what should i do next to be able to play?

[sullen furnace]

Just wait for an email, like they said..

[zenith bough]

I really feel for Rich right now. 😅

[ancient sundial]

if i have a mac and a pc , could I download pb on both or will it only work one time?

[fathom shoal]

should be linked to your account, so you would be able to play on either device, probably not at the same time though

[agile inlet]

Hey guys ! Sorry I haven't followed much in the past few days. Just heard that all rangers were in PB1, does the the access to this channel means I'm in ?

[drifting ridge]

latest update

[gleaming pasture]

Lucius do you know if us that are getting access will get a email tomorrow or can it be days before we get it?

[drifting ridge]

Not sure. That would be a question for @zenith mortar

[zenith mortar]

Its most likely going to be this week coming... its already the weekend and believe me these guys need down time too

[brisk agate]

i have no clue if my application is even in, i never got any form of confirmation that my beta registration went through

[warm kraken]

Watch the pinned message in #💬〕general

There's a list of the new accepted people

[brisk agate]

fucking weird, i have tried to push an beta application probably 20 times, never works it seems

been in the discord since january 2021 still no spot

brand spanking new gaming computer ready to go

[warm kraken]

Sound like you should DM Rich my friend. He'll sort all this monday

[brisk agate]

ait thanks

[shut iris]

Design Session: https://tenor.com/view/data-tng-star-trek-sttng-craps-gif-17750103

Kidding more like:
https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-cells-unlock-your-brain-gif-14425366

The value of an illuvial is subjective in each round. What's worth 100 in a specific round isn't worth it in the next. Have to use your refunds effectively 😄 This is hypothetically speaking of course I don't give strategy advice.

[warm kraken]

Yeah the higher tiers are stronger but they cost more, this means they won't necessarily be more useful in all situations

[worn thicket]

facts. the 100 costs tho are usually just better tho. like i can play Adorius or Titanor from round 1 and never remove it

[vernal forum]

what's causing arlens Attack Speed growth when using jumpsuit?

[warm kraken]

More Aerodynamism

[vernal forum]

i just outdps'd the entire field with arlen sword, but i can't replicate

every test i think i figured it out, it doesnt increase attack speed at all lol