🎮〕illuvium-arena

[ivory saddle]

Three times in this region, I got 2 spore and 1 predator and I don't play rogues 🤣

[bronze spire]

id say almost impossible to have all composites balanced (including some being terrible)

also forces you into a build you may never get a ranger weapon for

the other region you get composite later and somewhat tailored for your build is much more reasonable

[fallen vortex]

I've never had any issues like this in any game mode. Not to discount your feedback but I think its worth including your current wifi connection, maybe download/upload speeds, packet loss and regional connections in the report.

Could assist in identifying where the issues lie.

[copper phoenix]

Please keep up this pace.

[south geyser]

Somewhat. The rough thing about that is that half the lobby will get something nice to have, while two or so will get godrolls. Now, autobattlers are about hedging your bets, so it's not that bad, but it's something to bear in mind for the designers to minimize TOO much of this stuff.

[noble radish]

We're reviewing and additing to the regions as well. So don't worry. We want each to be fun and also competitive. At the start we pushed out a few that we thought were a bit iffy, just to see how people responded because we don't always know the reaction. We are working on the last major feature and then it will be the whole team working on improvements everywhere. You'll see a huge boost in the games enjoyment in the next few months.

[fluid raptor]

star of the day at binance, is illuvium

too bad I have earned 0 for 2 weeks XD

[noble radish]

Best counter is us getting some extra units in the game so that we can balance around the other synergies more easily.

[charred matrix]

half of the lobby jerking each other...lol 🤣

[fluid raptor]

today I was able to do 6 revenant 7 earth 7 rogues

that was the only game I was able to win for a couple of days 😛

also 3-4 dusts and blooms if I am not mistaken

XD

[noble radish]

FYI internally the AI we are training has identified some comps that are stronger. The issue is that it sort of plays in a way that humans don't really think about, so it's not easy for a human to spot these comps.

But the Ai is also not good enough yet. Sometimes it's brilliant and sometimes it makes dumbass choices and loses.

[fluid raptor]

yes people playing ilv without playing ilv 😛

[charred matrix]

i feel u... i've tanked lobbies that were half bots... its either moon or dust, never a mid ground 🤣

[fallen vortex]

One last feature you say?

New PvE enemies?

[fallen vortex]

Plays ways people don't think about, I'm curious now

[charred matrix]

if only you've got that tiiruo @bronze spire 😆

sore luck... got quake maulers myself and pivoted after seeing 5 players going rogue 😆 😆

[bronze spire]

yea lol whole lobby was rogues nearly

[bronze spire]

i was thinking this too haha

[charred matrix]

but i got really bad luck on items... my fern was not hitting hard enough 🥲

[severe steeple]

hey Aaron, why is nobody talking about the chrashes which we have since months. That problem should be solved before we go to promote the game.
to you have an idea what's the reason for that, and when will it be solved?

[carmine obsidian]

Hi all

[frozen tartan]

Good morning

[carmine obsidian]

absolutley))

[tropic forge]

Morning... Ready for 1st whine of the day... ??
Ok...
Is it too hard to hotfix/patch this revenant stupidity as soon as posible? Honestly i´m getting sick playing more than 3 games a day, and all games are like 6 people going the same trash build.

[worn tree]

There's a balance patch coming later this week to tackle revenant composite among other items.

[zenith bough]

<@&1400508814910029907> 6/8

[analog sandal]

rogue trash

[hot pond]

You know youd have no chance if i had rev chip like 100% of the shit team abusers

[analog sandal]

yeah lmao

i had quake maulers to pick in the first choice

but saw 6 rogue weapons xd

[hot pond]

I tried enough to fight against this stuff so i dont care anymore. I am just going to abuse it until they fix it

everyone and their family finds rev chips

[analog sandal]

im doing the same, i was joking hahaha

[hot pond]

I had team of 4 steam yesterday with S3 units, didnt even scratch 4 rev

[analog sandal]

i think theres some bug in 4 rev idk

[hot pond]

Idk. it basically does everything. dmg, shields and debuff atk speed. like what else you need? Maybe they could also add freezing effect 😄

but honestly the game is so unpleasant to play right now because youre being forced to use that stuff almost. Or 4-5 people going for it

[analog sandal]

yea, im not forcing it with the water/nature weapon

this was the first match that i didnt pick quake maulers, the others ones is just 100% pick

probably they will only nerf it in next patch, so just abuse it

I don't see the point in not using it to climb the leader, since everyone will use

[hot pond]

yea especially because i have much less time to play than others. have like half number of games than the rest

[analog sandal]

😳

[frozen tartan]

You play now?

[zenith bough]

yeah

[native mauve]

let me know when next game if play soon @zenith bough

[frozen tartan]

<@&1400508814910029907> 1/8

[tropic forge]

Ty Nil, honestly is hard to play and enjoy the game now that everyone goes same revenant shit. If u guys can sync it with reset, it would be great.

[frozen tartan]

3/8

4/8

[native mauve]

<@&1400508814910029907> 5/8

[frozen tartan]

Let's both play with the same builds. Just for the experiment. You name the build — anything except Revenants.

[native mauve]

Ok fighters vanguard toxic frost bloom

6/8

[frozen tartan]

Since we have bots in the lobby, we need to make the games more challenging for ourselves to get real practice. Otherwise, we're just wasting time, because this is nowhere near what tournament games feel like.

[native mauve]

Yeah I just want to get to know my team better and what I need to level etc

[frozen tartan]

<@&1400508814910029907> 7/8

[mighty tulip]

Loving the fact leviathan is now coming to life. Since the tournament I've started grinding OW and investing in my collection. I bet I'm not the only one too

I just wish we had rewards to really carry this momentum. Otherwise I fear we're all just going to end up back in ranked

[dark vine]

goliant round 14 really?

[frozen tartan]

Yeah, exactly. Without a paid leaderboard, all the traffic will go back to Ranked.

[mighty tulip]

Ranked is a mess rn with the revenant issue so hopefully people stick with leviathan for a bit longer

[native mauve]

We need to carry the momentum. It's no coincidence token price is booming after the leviathan tournament..there is a real shift in sentiment right now

@languid sparrow any statistics on revenue new illuvidex transactions and adr runs?

Bring the newbies in with ranked ipl and rewards and leviathan rewards to encourage new players to buy illuvials and build out their teams and spend real cash

[summer frigate]

Literally the leviathan tournament occurred and the token price exploded

People play this game to use the assets they own, which is what makes it unique compared to Web2 games.

[languid sparrow]

I will have those data but not just yet. It's super important specially right now to see the rise of the activity & impact on the revenu of transactions from illuvidex, ard has well.

[mighty tulip]

But when you listen to Keiran in the town hall he downplays leviathan. Seems to think f2p is the way forward. Leviathan should be a significant part of the IPL imo.

[copper phoenix]

@noble radish@zenith mortarNow, much attention has been drawn back to ILV. However, due to the complexity of the IMX wallet and the lack of a Chinese version, players who were originally planning to learn about the game were deterred from doing so. Has the team considered implementing an AI or Google Translate first, similar to another game called Bigtime, in order to lower the language barrier for entry?

[scarlet spindle]

Did the Leviathan game just crash?

[safe valve]

unless there is something ongoing announced with leviathan, you likely won't see really an increase.

[scarlet spindle]

We were down to the last 3 and my game crashed and when i logged back in im in a queue and not reconnecting

[noble radish]

We are working on localisation so that it's available in multiple languages. It's not like... weeks away, but it isn't too far back from a couple months. It's definitely important. This and mobile.

[noble radish]

Can you give us a bug report so we know exactly what to look for?

There's lots of people reporting crashes here but not in game.

[frozen tartan]

Hi. My game didn’t crash.

[scarlet spindle]

For sure. Every time it crashes I hit "send and restart"

[native mauve]

Mine didn't crash either ggs...I also have had b
No crashes and hardly any bugs last couple of weeks so maybe its a pc specific issue

[noble radish]

Ok thank you.

[native mauve]

Kieran was originally a leviathan maxi, I think over time the free 2 play crowd took over and they focused on that...numbers don't lie...hopefully after the tournament over the weekend management realises again that they were right and how important leviathan is....free 2 play is also by the way they need to focus on both

[mighty tulip]

I think the team got burned with their poor monetization early on. So now they've gone the other way and everything needs to be f2p 🙄. Of course the right place to be is somewhere in the middle. F2p onboarding but quickly convert these players to paid players. We're not doing that right now. Everyone is just stuck in ranked farming ILV because why not.

[ashen mango]

And it's not like there isn't a lot of money to be made as a P2W game, Asian cultures love P2W way more than westerners

There is a big P2W crowd

[copper phoenix]

@noble radishMay I ask how the prize money for the tournament is distributed? Do you want to claim it yourself or have it directly deposited into your wallet?.

[native mauve]

P2W is huuuge, look at fifa ultimate team. Fifa has free 2 play for casual and pro tournaments, but must have pay2win for degens that want the best teams and collectors

[hollow citrus]

not sure which prize money specifically you're talking about but we're trying to deliver all rewards hrough the reward dashboard now

[copper phoenix]

It was the game that took place last Saturday.

[hollow citrus]

Like Aaron said planned for the Client but it's already there for the whole website if it was missed

[copper phoenix]

What I'm referring to here is within the game, not on the website.

[carmine obsidian]

luck no excuse)

may bee levi fight?

[native mauve]

@noble radish is there plans to integrate experiance for leveling illuvials within the arena? How do u see this playing out if so? Leveling exp to take place only in Leviathan or in both Ranked and Levi. Also plans for Experience crates in Battlepass as @twilit storm has suggested? would love your thoughts on this? I think exp would be a great way for people to grind Leviathan to build there illuvials, so im leaning towards exp just in Leviathan and in battlepass crates

Exp should be available in overworld, arena and zero...let players decide where they want to spend there time, not be forced into one or another

[frank moon]

@viral marsh hahaha that game was so bs

[viral marsh]

in which world 5 toxic, 2 colosus 3 aegis can't kill single rogue unit?

[hot pond]

I gave up trying out something else. Its such a waste of time at this point

[noble radish]

More on this soon. But I would say you seem like a smart person.

[viral marsh]

in 10 second enemy bear get 8k absorb, and not die. how play to this game?

6 units stage-3, whith high synergy vs Penguin-revenant.....

[low comet]

are you queueing @viral marsh mine stuck at 1/8

[viral marsh]

no, i'l wait when "pro-player" start his game

[arctic steppe]

Nice try with the bait, good thing I know your words are fake.

[viral marsh]

your abuse rog are fake.

or you think everything work fine? with this immortal-revenant?

[hot pond]

I guess I’ll also have to spend all my gold to find the hunter precision suit. Literally the only thing that made him win was that

Even though I had rolled 5 times in the match

[arctic steppe]

Buddy, I’m not the one balancing the game. If it bothers you that much, just stop queuing until the next patch drops 👍

Complaining about someone using the strongest comp in the meta is the most nonsense thing ever.

[viral marsh]

if you tired - just go sleep, but you will play as much as i'l whant

strongest? or broken - it's 2 different thing

[arctic steppe]

Nah, I got plenty of rest today. Just made myself a coffee , I’ll be up pretty late

[viral marsh]

i mean not about today. if we keep play like that, it will be 3500 elo top this season

[arctic steppe]

If you stop playing, I’ll stop too 😂

[violet summit]

nice jump 😮

[viral marsh]

same. but i'l not stop. let's play 16 hours every day for next 2 week as well

[hollow citrus]

definitely! but was showing the language selection 😄

[arctic steppe]

I can do it easily, what about you?

[violet summit]

sorry haha but wen I see ILV jumping 75% in 24h my eye doesn't see anything else

[viral marsh]

if you have nothing to do else - why not.
but you not prepare your deck for leviathan? probably better spend time here?

[arctic steppe]

Don’t worry, my friend, I’m already on it too 🤝

[languid sparrow]

https://illuvium.io/news/illuvium-pro-league-can-you-compete

Illuvium Pro League = ILP

[west plume]

Oh snap👀

Iam
Definitely going for the wildcard slot

[languid sparrow]

Looking good even more with the surge of ILV presently.

[west plume]

150k in main event is insane👀

[zenith mortar]

ngmi

[languid sparrow]

150k will be nothing in the futur 😄

[flint lodge]

I didn't see levi mode there? So we didn;t include levi mode for this?

[west plume]

I called Dibs in general so Iam already in

[calm raven]

IPL tournaments are free to entry or we need to qualify for them ?

[flint lodge]

only ranked or I miss something?

[noble radish]

@regal hound came up with a good idea regarding Leviathan that I wanted to share. The feedback was that traits aren't as impactful as they should be. Obviously some diagree with this, but let's say that we were too conservative. We made those decicions when things were a bit different, and now that Leviathan will be more tournament-based we feel there is definitely more room to help out owners to feel that power.

Rather than make the power go from 0 -> 50, Perry suggests that we should add a 10% power boost just for ownership, so it goes from 10 -> 60. This allows us to make all owners feel more power, without having there be too big of a gap between the top owners and the bottom owners. We would like to run a tournament with this configuration to see if it feels better, and I'll throw in some prize money. It might take a little while to implement just because we have our next release locked and cant change it.

But I want to get some thoughts on it.

TLDR: Keep a smooth gap so that owners of less powerful illuvials don't feel totally screwed. Add a boost to ownership so that non owners have much less chance of winning. Basically, we put a little moat around ownership, and if you want to compete but don't own anything, you need to swim across that moat and buy stuff.

[flint lodge]

maybe better remove level and stats - coz buy something 0,5$ and fuse 5 stast a whole world difference

[dark vine]

Just one question:
Isn't the tournament size in terms of players to small? I really thought we would have 64-128 tournaments or even more depending on registrations. As I remember the wc3 tournament they were open for everybody, people got seeded and eventually you had to play an extra round which wasn't full.

for example 80 registrations -> 4 games single elimination with lowest seeded players -> 16 eliminated --> 64 go from there

[lilac stag]

I really hope that the competitive season will not be in the pay to win system, please tell me that this is not a leviathan mode but a regular gauntlet where everyone is on equal terms

[dark vine]

for example 80 registration -> 4 games single elimination with lowest seeded players -> 16 eliminated --> 64 go from there

[frozen tartan]

My opinion: this decision will actually make the situation even worse.
It’s just simple math.

I understand my words might come across as harsh, but I hope you don’t take them the wrong way.
I say this with respect.

I’ll explain in more detail now.

[noble radish]

There's no Leviathan in the IPL. It's pure skill. I'm talking about the Leviathan tournaments as something separate.

[bronze spire]

how do we qualify ect for IPLs? is it just register or qualify

[noble radish]

Leaderboard placing, or register and qualify.

[bronze spire]

any hints on how many leaderboard positions will qualify for the 16th?

[flint lodge]

no ofc man, we take money from the treasury and send to f2p with skill and then you need buy 1005000 skins for revenue pls

[dark vine]

ok, yeah that is one way, but would be important to know how that looks. I would assume we basically have a 2nd tournament for each ipl, which sounds like more work than having one tournament with half full rounds as described, but ok, not that important

[low comet]

lost count on how many times i watched this 2 1v1 each other hahahahaha seems like nareba always sniping him hahaha

[zenith mortar]

Hey

@viral marsh

[calm raven]

I guess they want to encourage people climbing on ladder. For me is fine if everyone can join the qualifiers

I mean top players will have some benefits avoiding extra rounds in the main events

[hot pond]

the first thing you see is a rev chip every time

[frozen tartan]

1️⃣ You shouldn't compare a player with no Illuvials to someone with a perfect deck.
Because every player in the Leviathan tournament who showed any result had Illuvials. Yes, they were weak, not perfect — but they had them.
At the same time, there are literally zero players in the game with a fully maxed-out deck.
And also zero players with a deck of perfectly rolled stats.

A more accurate comparison is between a player with a cheap deck ($300–500+) and players with expensive decks ($2000+).
And you’ll be surprised to see that the difference is minimal.
That’s exactly what the tournament showed us.

If I skip buying a cheap smartphone and instead get a mid-tier Leviathan deck, then give it to a top player — they’ll still place quite well.
Even without a maxed-out deck.

2️⃣ You want to add a 10% stat bonus just for ownership.
Let’s do the math. @regal hound — I’m sorry, but you're absolutely wrong here.
@noble radish — if you don’t mind, please take 10 minutes and read this carefully.

All the information is in this link: #1358069125364056174 message

The 10% ownership bonus will actually make the situation even worse.

Almost everyone already owns Illuvials — so the line between free-to-play and pay-to-win will become even more blurred.

[zenith mortar]

Please look under your chairs (rewards dashboard) for the No Limits Tournament Payouts from @umbral oracle and @noble radish

[hollow citrus]

almost 10k$ of reward with our latest jump

[frozen tartan]

Thank you

[bronze spire]

do we know exactly how we get into the tourney on the 16th yet?

[valid stirrup]

I really like the idea — adding a moat around ownership makes sense. Just make sure the stat boost also covers resistances, not just HP, attack, and omega. Some comps are cheesy and rely on unbalanced damage interactions, so spreading the boost helps keep things fair. Would love to see it tested in a tourney!

[noble radish]

Yep we are still looking at it.

[calm raven]

I have to say I expected the gap to be much larger between high-level/maxed Illuvials and average Illuvials. Anyone can compete with a mid-tier deck right now. Chasing perfect illuvials in overworld will be pointless if we keep taking away their value.

[frozen tartan]

My friend, first of all, it’s important to note that when I write this, I carefully choose my words to maintain a respectful dialogue.

I type and delete, type and delete.

The Leviathan tournament takes place.
Players conclude that the impact of NFTs is too weak.
So, let’s introduce a 10% ownership bonus for Illuvials. Visually, it seems like a bonus for payers. But the main thing is don’t touch the calculator — it might scare you.
@noble radish , I’m speaking the plain truth — this is a very bad idea.

[hollow citrus]

Winnie you have a lot of good ideas but saying " I carefully choose my words to maintain a respectful dialogue." doesn't make everything that come after respectful or good

[sinful hornet]

is this monthly or one time? it's not one time

[jolly whale]

Love this idea for leviathan and the ecosystem!

[frozen tartan]

I’m speaking the plain truth. I put a lot of heart into this game, especially this mode. The 10% ownership bonus has already been discussed. It doesn’t strengthen the P2W aspect—it actually weakens it.

Naturally, when something you care deeply about is challenged, your first thoughts aren’t always roses and daisies. But the most important thing is to swallow all those feelings, keep them to yourself, and then write a constructive message.

I try to do exactly that.

[viral marsh]

10% ownership. but everyone own collection. and if not - can buy on market full collection at price of 100$. nothing changes with that.
or i understand wrong this idea of ownership bonus

[dull wind]

I'm having a hard time understanding the logic on how an ownership bonus can be a bad thing.

[noble radish]

Well you see, I was the one who said it. That makes it automatically bad most of the time.

[jolly whale]

The bonus only effects the p2w mode, I don't see how it's a bad thing. It will encourage even non whales to own even a basic copy of everything! Giving value to even average illuvials

[frozen tartan]

I’ll be honest — you’ve already lost the best Leviathan player. He sold his deck of priceless Illuvials and left the game.

Right now, a whisper tells me that after these messages, the TOP 1 investor in in-game assets (not talking about Alexa) is also planning to leave the game. He’s furious.

That’s not me. I stand by my words: if I said I’d be here until the end, then I will be here until the end.

But when what you care about is attacked, it’s hard to smile and say everything is fine.

I can never be the person who praises every move of the employer or their trusted authority just for comfort.

Only when you speak the truth — even if it’s critical, even if you might be wrong — can you find the flaws in the project and become stronger.

[noble radish]

In any case we aren't ruling out the idea of adjusting the top line up. We're just cautious because we want many people to join and still reward those who have the best. The current reward is strong, especially as people get better at the game. Small differences are way stronger when the skill level is high. And over time the skill level will grow. At some point I have no doubt the current rewards will make it VERY hard for someone with cheap Iluvials to win. If we put it too high, then we have to adjust, and that always feels worse.

[jolly whale]

When set 1 illuvials go bye bye and we start on set 2 this will make even the old average stat ones have some value

[dull wind]

who are we talking about? If you're going to spread rumours they better be true Winnie.

[frozen tartan]

I’m not saying you’re wrong! I’m saying the idea itself is flawed. Please don’t misrepresent my point of view.

Let me explain very simply.

Right now, there’s Player X who invested the cost of a cheap smartphone into their deck.
Then there’s Player Y who invested in a deck worth a used Mercedes.

After the tournament, it was shown that Player Y has almost no advantage over Player X.

What needs to be done? Carefully strengthen the impact of stats and levels. Thoughtfully. First, in the testnet.

What shouldn’t be done? Giving a 10% ownership bonus.

Why?

Because adding 10% to both Player X’s cheap deck and Player Y’s expensive deck will actually reduce the difference between them even more.

I’m not a mathematician. I’m really bad at it. But please just take a look. Surely, there are nuances, not exact figures, but please read it. #1358069125364056174 message

[noble radish]

What Winnie wants is for the bonus to be so high that you basically guarantee the winner will be someone with expensive Illuvials. I get that. If you have expensive ones, then it's the right play to max out your rewards. And we do care about the whales and want them to have a good bonus. We're just cautious about how strong it could be. Because if the winner is always the guy with the expensive deck without any skill then it discourages anyone else to own.

[noble radish]

I understand exactly what you are saying. I just don't agree. That being said I am not saying we won't up the difference between lowest and highest. Just that we are cautious.

[sinful hornet]

what site is the screenshot from?

[zenith bough]

what is this leaderboard?

[frozen tartan]

One of the biggest investors in in-game assets,
step up to the stage.

And answer us — why did you come to this decision?
Did I make this up myself?
The truthfulness of my words is being questioned.

@sinful hornet @zenith bough
illuvirank dot com

[dull wind]

you can see the leaderboard here: illuvirank dot com

[noble radish]

Because adding 10% to both Player X’s cheap deck and Player Y’s expensive deck will actually reduce the difference between them even more.

Last thing I'll say on this. Mathematically you're wrong here. You're looking at it like 50/0 vs 60/10 and thinking the ratio is smaller. But what you're not thinking about is the multiplicative effect of synergies, augments, etc. These make the multiplier MUCH higher. You can make one unit become 20x more powerful through itemisation. As such, a 60% bonus becomes much more powerful than a 50% bonus, whereas 0% to 10% doesn't grow in the same way. You can make an argument that it won't change the gap, but you can't make an argument that it would be closer. That's just not how power in the game multiplies.

[ashen mango]

I think that if you bump the bonus up to +35%/+35% or even +40%/+40% then players like Sl1ckz will still be able to win with a good deck even if illuvials are lvl 50 on average with 3 or 4 stats missing (exclusing MS)

Besides that you can give +5% or +10% for ownership

[jolly whale]

The 10% bonus is a good idea to encourage ownership.

High stat illuvials should have an advantage, once you guys work out the right numbers for tweeking, I'm sure both systems could work.

[regal hound]

I've read your analysis then and now and to me it speaks truth, but also changes nothing

1. Firstly, as stated in that thread, Arena is a game of compounding similar to TFT.

Base Synergy effect compounds with Composite Synergy effect compounds with Augment 1 compounds with Augment 2 compounds with Augment 3 compounds with Drone Augment 1, 2, 3 you get my point
I would even argue it compounds a little too hard but discussion for another time

Your relative power at 60% instead of 50% now has much more compounding potential, imo outdoing any "percentual stat increase" as in your analysis

2. The goal of this discussion is to discuss the idea of a moat, these numbers aren't set in stone, say we change the range from 0 - 50% to 10% - 70%, nullifying your analysis argument, how do you FEEL about it?

3. As my previous point states, the goal with a change like this is that it FEELS like we are giving a bonus to owners and stat hoarders both to tweak Leviathan towards making owning and owning good stats better, while respecting my first point on compounding which translates to being careful
   Your stance (and Spoon's stance) in the thread makes it such that it doesn't FEEL this way, or does my proposition in Point 2 turn that around completely?

[frozen tartan]

Replying just for the sake of replying is not the right approach.
I will conduct an analysis.
And I will respond to you constructively here after the analysis.
Thank you for the detailed response.

[noble radish]

Regarding 1, for others to understand. We're talking about a differential from 1.01^X vs 1.11^X vs 1.49^X and 1.59^X. Assuming X is positive, and in our game it is VERY positive, this will result in more gains for the higher players. If you have a higher cost deck, your win rate in the next tournament should go up. The point of this is just that we don't want that gain to be so crazy that literally nobody but the owners of the best decks can win. I would argue 45% / 45% is going to be so insanely hard to win for someone with a cheap deck. It will go back to what it was, where the winner is always the person with the bigger wallet.

[flint lodge]

I just don’t understand — why shouldn’t a high-skill player aim to build a deck full of level 60 Illuvials with 5-star stat grids?
Instead of encouraging that, you're now saying that 2–3-star grids should be on equal footing.

How many people here even have top-tier decks?
How long does it take to build a truly elite one?
This is exactly where guilds, organizations, and investors are supposed to come in.

Those measly 5–10% stat differences between 3–4 and 5 straits mean nothing, especially when the game already has so much RNG weapom, armor, aug.
If a pro plays well, let them spend their prize money to upgrade and build a strong deck, not just say, “I’m fine with what I have.”

At one point you said Ranked would be about skins and gifts — now, the treasury funded by land and everything else that’s happened in Illuvium is being handed to Web2 players,
the same people who mocked the game, called it trash — and now we’re giving them $250K.

And those who were here from the start, playing Overworld, building collections?
You’re now telling them they’re worthless?

Sorry for my emotional tone — but that’s how it feels.

[noble radish]

In conclusion, I feel strongly that this proposed change would be a boost to all owners, but a bigger boost to top owners. But without that boost to top owners being over the top.

[noble radish]

I'm saying this boost is:

a) Good for all owners.
b) Better for top owners.

Perhaps people feel like this isn't the case. But a is obviously true. I would say that b is obviously true, but I'm happy to test it and show the conclusion.

As for the tournament and prize money. The goal is to bring more into the ecosystem and encourage them to play and own. The effect of that will be more wins for the owners. We could say 'best deck gets all the prize money'. And then we'll have a game with zero players. And nobody will earn.

Edit: Basically, what we disagree on is the effect of this. Not the intent. We are aligned in our goals.

[jolly whale]

Encouraging ownership is good for the whole ecosystem and good for everyone here.

If you can do that and keep the game balanced that's positive. Test it out I say, it doesn't have to be permanent

[noble radish]

In any case. I have to go. But keep in mind I said I'll put up more of my own money to test this. How anyone could think that as me being against ownership I'll never know. But again, I'm pretty used to anything I write here being written of as terrible immediately.

[sinful hornet]

Can you see a players sales history on illuvidex?

[flint lodge]

I've already described this issue in the ideas channel — the jump from 4 to 5 stars should provide a greater advantage than the earlier jumps from 0 to 4, and the jump from level 50 to 60 should as well.

If you're giving +5% per stat from levels 1 to 4, that’s a total of 20%.
Then a 5-star grid should combine an additional +20% bonus — not just be another flat +5%.

The same logic applies to levels:
If every 10 levels grants +5%, that makes level 50 worth +25%, but level 60 should provide an additional +25%(20%), equivalent to the entire climb from 0 to 50 — because it takes significantly more time and effort to reach.

We could even introduce XP boosters:

Auto-drone experience farming

100% XP scrolls during Overworld runs
All of which could be tied to GAS fees, influencing the economy and rewarding long-term progress.

But right now the system discourages players from grinding levels or chasing stats — the message is: “Just have something average and you'll be fine.”

Please separate Ranked and Leviathan:

Create dedicated leaderboards for each

Introduce proper % stats and levels

And double the prize pool for Leviathan compared to Ranked

Let TFT-style players enjoy Ranked.
But let guilds, orgs, and investors compete in Leviathan.

[native mauve]

For sure we need to test and boost balance. I feel like if a deck is 50% better than not even the pros should stand a chance against that deck. But if a deck is 30% better then the pros with a less deck should still be able to win. I think that is exactly what @noble radish is trying to achieve. I've got a pretty decent deck but not as good as @frozen tartan and can't beat him. I think the balance is close and most players were happy with the tournament. Perhaps it does need to be tweaked a little towards the whales which is exactly what it sounds like this change makes. It's a fine balance

[dark vine]

Don't know where this 5-10% boost on a stat isn't enough comes from. In every game 5-10% increase in basically anything is insane, because it scales with every item/synergy/level and snowballs everybody else out of existence.

Same applies for the 10% base boost, which helps people with better stats more than people with an average collection. Don't understand at all why this isn't seen as a good step which increases the gap between none-owner, average owners and top owners.

Playing on a comparable skill level against somebody with a 5% boost means you almost always lose. Sure with a game like gauntlet you can have more variance, but it is still an extreme differerence

[sinful hornet]

the invites are based on points?

[zenith bough]

Would think it would say qualify. Guessing popularity contest

[flint lodge]

yeap, only i lose with 3 iluvs t1 60 lvl to 4 iluvs t0 with 12-18 level and stats not high 2-3 strait. at this moment al lbalance

[sinful hornet]

it's w/e either way but would be good if it's clarified

[frozen tartan]

May I clarify — are you planning to add a 10% ownership bonus to all six stats? Or only to some specific ones?

I’m trying to model an in-game scenario, but I need to understand which variables will receive the 10% bonus and which won’t.

[dark vine]

don't know. Only played one game, but in that one game I played I steam rolled everything with a lower level

[mellow bolt]

IPL is only for arena gauntlet???

[flint lodge]

yes

[regal hound]

Sure all 6

[flint lodge]

only skill and f2p, so y can sell your iluvs, some time we can have levi tournament on 1-2k

maybe next year will change something for this mode

[mellow bolt]

For reals ????

That’s wild so screw all the people who spent their money we’re irrelevant in the competitive scene

Whoever’s making decisions at illuvium needs to wake up and get their act together

[flint lodge]

we will try invite a lot new [layers for eraning free money. its good but in paralel development and improve levi but we didn't see info about it

[mellow bolt]

I mean, if they’re not worried about revenue, but why even put iluvs for sale in game utility totally pointless

I don’t want free money. I wanna fight for ETH with my team. You know the original concept of the game.

[flint lodge]

In some cases, free player = revenue, but in iluvium should have 80% revenue levi and 20% ranked. Team decides to bet on ranked like 80% revenue

so will see in teh winter on revenue, mybe we will see again, we made a lot mistake, fuck off f2p and web 2 we don't know)

[mellow bolt]

Now more than ever less incentivize to go to the marketplace and spend money less incentivize to grind in the overworld

[native mauve]

Leviathan tournaments will be announced shortly, they will have bigger prize money than IPL tournements this has been confirmed just not yet publy announced the specifics

(not counting the Huge main event)

[mellow bolt]

Oh thank goodness that makes a lot more sense. I thought they were just gonna sweep it under the rug.

[safe valve]

that was before the pivot to f2p focus... or i missed it.

[mellow bolt]

lol

[native mauve]

no Kieran said that last week during the tournament or the AMA

after the Leviathan hype and excitement its clear that needs to be looked after carfully as well

[flint lodge]

oh we saw much information on ama and Discord - then we recived message - trust only info in the announce.

[mellow bolt]

Leviathan is the future of this game. They can’t see that all hope is lost.

[native mauve]

i think they are working on it and @noble radish today confirmed there will be test tournaments soon Leviathan just started, ranked has been going for months it neeeds time

[mellow bolt]

I’ve said this multiple times and I’m gonna say it again they need to do a better job at communicating. I made an entire YouTube video about this.

All announcements and future plans should be announced on all social media platforms in a short, concise to the point video in less than five minutes covering how when where what

[flint lodge]

working yes) maybe only Aaron at this time

[noble hinge]

Ownership should give an advantage over not owning Illuvials. Aaron has generously offered to put his own money down for this. Why not try it out and see what happens as far as ownership advantage percentage goes? Make changes based on how it plays out.

There does need to be a significant advantage to using high level, high stat Illuvials in Leviathan. Medium and top players should have to be buying, renting or getting sponsored because they need those top Illuvials to be competitive against each other. I think it has been greatly underestimated how much more money Illuvium could have been making off OW if we had made having top tier Illuvials worth while.

[mellow bolt]

Yeah, with higher prize rules in leviathan, there’s huge incentive to invest more money in the marketplace to buy stronger teams

[native mauve]

for the Leviathan tournament this weekend we had a bunch of the best Ranked players invest in new decks to play

It was also the biggest tournament weve had to date at 450 ILV i believe

[mellow bolt]

Higher level stats, etc yup I spent a couple hundred dollars because I wanted to do good. I wanted to win.

[safe valve]

Aaron is for sure very generous with trying to get QA done for levi with his own money.

But also, i assume it's gona be the same as last tournament.
From what i know, rentals haven't been working, so i don't see why it should make a difference to what we saw last tournament.
We might see some competitve f2p players going for a couple adr or buy some mid stat illuvials from the dex for a couple $ and perform with that better than before.
Other than that i predict a similar outcome

[native mauve]

@lean ivy confirmed that Polmeos have found the bug and it should be fixed for the new Leviathan tournament from Polemos on Friday

[buoyant spire]

Who get to play in the ”open” IPL250 and IPL500?

[drifting kindle]

How can i register??🙈

[flint lodge]

y need to buy my 160 iluvs)

130 with 92-99 TPI

[lean ivy]

It is fixed everything is working as it should. Will hold an ama showcasing it in an hour if anyone would like to watch it

[drifting kindle]

Dont unerstand that
Do i have to collect more high TPI Iluvs??

[flint lodge]

nvm, it was joke

play runked mode and take highest places that you can

[sinful hornet]

what was rich's site called?

[noble hinge]

Cheapest Rhamphyre on the market now is $7.71. Does everyone own one already? If not will they be more likely to borrow a crappy stat one to get the 10% bonus or rent a high stat one off Polemos or play without?

If we have no reason for people to want/need good Illuvials then there is no point in Leviathan.

[noble hinge]

illuvilytics .web .app

[brave grotto]

Is there a date for mobile app?

[flint lodge]

yeap) your are right

[safe valve]

Whatever is cheaper i assume
You already get 66% of the Level Bonus with just having one in your team

[flint lodge]

2026

[frozen tartan]

First, I ran the calculations with ChatGPT, then with Grok.
Of course, I enabled deep reasoning functions.

Both models (as expected) gave very abstract and vague results.
That's because I didn’t provide them with the full in-game conditions—it would’ve taken several days to do so.

So, I decided to calculate it myself.
I compared two Rypterus Illuvials — tier 3, stage 2.

I compared my own Rypterus with the one from @vale zephyr .
This is the perfect scenario for analysis: one scorpion is stronger, the other is almost as strong — which is what most players will face in reality.

I tried to simulate various combat situations.
I gave both scorpions an average +30% attack damage augmentation.
Both had the Toxic synergy.
Both had Fighter 5/7 synergy bonus.

I’ll say it again — I’m not a mathematician, but my results are usually within a reasonable margin of error.

So I’m kindly asking: could you please help with this?
Yes, I know you’re probably very busy, but this would give us an actual, practical result.

I assume that as developers you do have the tools to pit Illuvials against each other.
And of course, this needs to be done in a testnet.

Would it be possible to do the following?

You run a large batch of test battles — with various similar and slightly different builds.
One team uses stronger Illuvials, the other uses slightly weaker ones.
That’s key: slightly weaker — that’s the realistic scenario. People will have Illuvials in Leviathan; just not always the best ones.

Naturally, the process should be recorded for further breakdown and review.
This video can even be used as a survival time stopwatch.

Then, apply the +10% ownership bonus to both sides.
Repeat all of the above again.

Ideally, these results could be shared with the community. Practical, real-world testing.
The quality of feedback would skyrocket, and the community would start praising you for making them feel heard and truly involved in the direction of the game.

[frozen tartan]

Would that be a bad idea?

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x205634b541080afff3bbfe02dcc89f8fa8a1f1d4/1133753

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/asset/0x205634b541080afff3bbfe02dcc89f8fa8a1f1d4/1225583

[noble hinge]

And if that is the case and how it will stay then I might as well stop spending my money and time on acquiring assets for players to rent. At this point I just want to know if I should put more time and money into my collection.

[safe valve]

I'm still confident it will change back.
And honestly i can see us going back to the original 50% boost.

I remember quite well how it started out with the nerf.
First leviathan match started with people having strong collection and some other people joined with 0 illuvials and got obliterated.
The balance wasn't there, the OP ranger stuff wasn't there, etc. basically almost all other impacts weren't there at that time
Then the conclusion was made that stat impact is way too high and needs a nerf.

This day, it all looks completely different.
Literally everone i talked to in dm, is it pros without a good collection or noobs with high collection or pros with high collection... every one was super surprised how low the impact of stats and levels are in that last levi tournament.
Now team starts thinking about increasing it on some way or the other and we will slowly see the impact rise.

But... if that thought of pro player needs to be able to win with a low stat deck is persisting to be there, i guess it won't be worthwhile to build out a collection for renting.
Especially not if the intention is to increase the impact with ownership.

[frozen tartan]

This guy is really smart⏫

[lilac stag]

did someone already asked? this pro league prizes would be paid in ILV? or USDT/ETH? what if ILV drops or rises? will the prize remain the same value in dollars?

i dont understand what does it mean(

[safe valve]

it's a scammer

[lilac stag]

ohh okay thanks

[bronze spire]

pretty sure ilv

[hot pond]

what the hell does the brightland region do where it says it heals you instead of damage? nothing happened when I died

[bronze spire]

bugged, think it happens in rounds you dont actually die

than only triggers once

or maybe just never triggers some times

[hot pond]

didnt seem to trigger at all for me

[bronze spire]

yea known bug

[dull wind]

it'll be USD

[low comet]

I noticed it did once

[bronze spire]

so not the ILV reward pool at all? marketing funds pool or something??

[dull wind]

it's from the ILV reward pool. But the prizes will all be in $.

[bronze spire]

oh roger

[uncut comet]

new patch asap pls this one is conterminated already

[hot pond]

lets all join the revenant party

[frank moon]

dang this chat is on fire

[muted iris]

3/8

[sinful hornet]

around when was the last reset?

[muted iris]

[frank moon]

after 4 years of trying f2p, are we scared of trying some good old pay2win ponzinomics? Just for 6 months or so would make the treasury very happy. It feels like we are inverse releasing compared to most games that provide new features that are too good, just to balance them later on

[uncut comet]

2weeks

[drifting kindle]

Is it possible to rent Iluvs now??

[noble hinge]

You can rent through Polemos. I took mine off to work on leveling them again but will have them up tomorrow for Friday's Leviathan tournament. 🙂

[proven coral]

I like the idea on a level above stage 3 or Tier 5 and the addition of new Illuvials. Wen Dragons. I still have yet to get my Charizard/Dragonite fix.

[uncut comet]

friday is levi tournament again?

[noble hinge]

There is a Leviathan tournament being done by Polemos on Friday.

[uncut comet]

hm where can register?

[noble hinge]

I am not sure on all the details. Caveman will be posting all info soon. If you are on X follow the Polemos account.

60 ILV prize pool.

[uncut comet]

ah allright was just confused cause couldnt find something

[frozen tartan]

@hot pond Do I also need to start whining now about how strong Revenants are? 😅

@sinful hornet Are you selling your entire deck? Or just specific units?

[hot pond]

you can start that when there are 4 revenants

[sinful hornet]

im listing everything but it's not sell prices, just in case there's demand i don't have to start listing everything then

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-scared-scaredy-cat-cute-gif-8511608

[frozen tartan]

May I ask – what made you decide to do this?

[sinful hornet]

levi tournament giving potential for people to actually even open the market page

[frozen tartan]

I mean — why not keep this deck for yourself?
You're one of the strongest players.

[sinful hornet]

i'd rather play no pay2win than pay2win

[frozen tartan]

Got it.

[frozen tartan]

Did you originally build the deck for yourself to play in Leviathan?
Or was your intention to sell it from the beginning?

[sinful hornet]

1st, but i assumed they'd get rid of levels or make it super easy to max everything, im not gonna spend another second in overworld

and it's been like 1 year and they're still not even useful yet

[frozen tartan]

Who is useless? What exactly do you mean?

[sinful hornet]

the levi illuvials, we had 1 tournament and that was it no?

as in useless for now

[frozen tartan]

It seems like this is the start of a series of tournaments. Caveman is organizing another one soon.

[worldly token]

are we going into these huge tournaments with everybody playing revenants? Or does someone know what to do against them?

[frank moon]

@noble radish when tpi fix

[sinful hornet]

nil said there's patch this week

[rancid raptor]

@viral marsh ngl 4 tempest rhamphyre felt like an insane idea on paper

charm shouldnt work on mid air fire bird

[native mauve]

<@&1400508814910029907> anyone up for game now?

6/8

[inner orbit]

Hey guys, has this been asked? In the announcement I didnt see any reference to leviathan or non. Do we know how the IPL is going to be?

[dark vine]

as far as I understood it l-gauntlet will have there own tournaments with bigger price money (excluding the finals of the ipl, I assume)
*to make it clear bigger than the single tournaments

[native mauve]

Leviathan 7/8

[hollow citrus]

IPL => Gauntlet Ranked (NOT Leviathan)
more Leviathan tournaments to be expected though

[inner orbit]

Thanks for the clarification, I think next time could be good to have that in the announcement, so theres no confusion

[dark vine]

just noticed that the carousel Illuvials aren't mine in l-gauntlet pulled a level 1 without stats

[native mauve]

Yup its like that for now

Just for fusing

[mighty tulip]

The engagement on this post is not great at all. Especially off the back of the ILV pump. why isn't this announcement not gaining traction?

240 likes out of 20k views is basically just the existing community engagement.

[low comet]

so many new players!

are these bots or new accs

[vivid stirrup]

Receiving +22 points for 1st feels bad 🥲

[west musk]

4/8

[raven obsidian]

Almost 400k followers too

[low comet]

didnt know that it is possible to have 2 blotto 2 gnarl in 1 game hahaha

[cyan olive]

It is close to an invitational league, not much reason for people to be hyped or anything.
Playing devils advocate giving so many spots to invite things just means not enough money to actually attract players/buy sponsorship deals.

[languid sparrow]

What was the issue ?

[native mauve]

not sure, just the rented illuvials werent showing up in game, fixed now

[frozen tartan]

<@&1400508814910029907> 5/8

[frozen tartan]

How about we both play using some other builds? You pick

@mighty tulip Does it make sense for us to play together with 6 bots? Or should we just leave?
What can bots actually teach us?

[mighty tulip]

Let's leave 😅

[frozen tartan]

@zenith mortar Hi. Could you please create a Leviathan lobby for practice? Bots don’t teach us anything.

[mighty tulip]

I joined at 7/8 thinking we had a full lobby. Oh well

[frozen tartan]

Rich is a wizard. He can help us.

[naive mantle]

We should create custom trophy displates for the tournament winners 🧠

[west plume]

The bots have been trained by Rich So….

[mighty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shaquille-o-neal-hot-wings-spicy-gif-17156716539113328564

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/вкусно-gif-5611023417218049770

[west plume]

I dident say the bots were bad

But they do suck

[viral marsh]

3 behemoth hit ti-ru stage-2 and can't kill it full fight.
it's should be like that?

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-right-kangaroo-chew-eating-eat-gif-17215156

[mellow bolt]

That’s good considering they don’t know how to market

[mellow bolt]

I got the same amount of views only posting 11 videos in the last three weeks on my YouTube channel sitting at 19.6 K views

Hahah

Im anobody ,me vs the whole team haha

That’s my illuvium complaining rant channel haha

[low comet]

you are in game @vivid stirrup

[winter breach]

@vivid stirrup u ingame

[zenith mortar]

I messaged you about your issue with using your credit card, because I live in Cali and have no issues using mine

I watched the video and its fair I dont read the comments enough on the podcast, usually I'm trying to organise the show and not crash the stream lol

[mellow bolt]

Yeah, that’s for fuel. I’m talking about in the illluadex to buy ETH

[zenith mortar]

ah gotcha

so you want to be able to just buy an illuvial with your credit card

whatever the currency

[mellow bolt]

That would be epic. I sent ETH to the wrong address and lost 80 bucks and it took forever too make it easy for people to spend their money. I would imagine that could only be a positive thing for the company.

[cursive echo]

You are the best, don't forget that without you, Illuvium wouldn't exist, just for that we will always love you.

[native mauve]

That would be epic in the illuvidex for sure would make trading way easier if possible j

[mellow bolt]

@zenith mortar I sent you a DM

[tawny dove]

GG @frozen tartan, I'm not proud of myself for going Rev comp. Guess I have officially joined the dark side. You deserved the win on that one.

[frozen tartan]

It’s all good, my friend😅

[vivid stirrup]

thanks lads!

[scarlet spindle]

Some of both

[viral marsh]

it's seems like joke

i win 2/15 games today, only by use rogues.
someone know how counter this shit?
stage-2 tabel with 4 revenant.
what i need? 4 behemoth 4 colosus 4 arcanit to win 100 gold build?

[mighty tulip]

The only counter is avoid playing ranked 😅

[viral marsh]

ok guys, new guide.
if you see rog-revenant player in lobby, just roll early for all money to not let him got ti-ru

[charred matrix]

this happened to @bronze spire last night haha

[tawny dove]

Might start doing that as soon as I see Ola in loading screen

[severe marten]

Sorry very noob and stupid questions Arena gauntlet is like playing card games getting all 3 same of a kind correct? So if you get all 3 same of a kind illuvials other players will not get the same illuvial as you have?

[arctic steppe]

Update: Didn't work, he still lose

[viral marsh]

it's mean everyone will have less units in pull

[viral marsh]

amazing build, how you so good in this game?

did you pay to Nil so he don't care and not fix that, so you can farm easy LB?

[arctic steppe]

Thanks mate, glad you liked my build! 🫶

[viral marsh]

when i play wow, i can use different emotes, 1 of it "spit".

[charred matrix]

they will have less cards to pull from the pool

[scarlet spindle]

Daydream tourney finals is live if you would like to spectate.
583b2b

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/catto-gif-17643687004817745866

[uneven harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/tournament-gif-9929496742340653104

[uneven harbor]

we are in voice watching final if you like to come

[scarlet spindle]

My ride will be here in a fe wminutes, I am just spectating from in the game for a few more minutes. I LOVE the spectator mode. Especially with Rich's live game ticker.

My favorite part of this tourney final is that, so far, I don't see anyone playing the broken stuff yet. We have a great bunch of sportsmanship in there right now!

[uneven harbor]

not yet! x d

[west plume]

I will,just going to win this lobby first🫠

[amber ether]

I hope when the tournaments starts and player will come, there will be fast balance patch's or hotfixes. since last patch and people tried Revenant, its just a pain in the ass to play.

[west plume]

i might have spoken too soon

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-pissed-mad-angry-furious-gif-4720563

[uneven harbor]

everyone rushing for Revenant

[west plume]

looks like Alnert got his 4 Rev.

[uneven harbor]

Umbre with revenant is really interesting!

[west plume]

should be fun

[uneven harbor]

Revenant comp is really stong atm...

[noble radish]

Appreciate the positivity.

I certainly can’t demand positivity but I do enjoy it. I think the game is getting closer. So hopefully we see more positivity soon.

[uneven harbor]

Congratz to our finalist!

[tropic forge]

@arctic steppe please share your secret... how do you find your units over like 5 people going same build in every lobby. Coach me Mr. Brazilian pro!! I need to get better! I need to be pro!!

[arctic steppe]

Congrats @gilded axle!! The Brazilian community is showing up strong in Illuvium , 6 of the finalists are Brazilian! 🇧🇷 💪

[viral marsh]

round 12 you push lvl7 and start roll, not sure how much

[tropic forge]

I need to say in lobbies i won like 3 tournament to have my moment of fame! Please!! ... 🤣

[tropic forge]

idk but it seems weird the way he rolls. Not accusing, perhaps he´s so pro he knows something i don´t

[west plume]

We appreciate you Aaron

[arctic steppe]

Maybe you and Fox should become friends, seems like you’re both really craving attention lately

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-big-hug-hugs-hugging-group-hug-gif-24237876

[uneven harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-11887428842707808388

[viral marsh]

when it's only 1 build which can win in game, i can be friend with anyone if it finaly will be fixed

[tropic forge]

Bro, honestly. I used to have "healthy hate" for Pro players, because perhaps i know i will never reach that level, and noone likes to lose.
I can´t spend like 14-16 hours a day in a game, and even doing it perhaps i will keep being a mediocre.
But you guys at OLA are putting the stakes really high with your behavior and your need of attention like if you are changing everything and being the elite stars and reality is you are only taking advantage of a broken comp.
I will stop joking with you because at the end of the day im making you famous and giving you more attention than you deserve.
I really hope for this IPL that all the true players return to show you who is "Pro". Will keep my opinions to myself from now on,so won´t bother you anymore.

And yeah, i don´t have a problem with being friend with Fox, for his comments on chat it seems he´s just trying to make the game better/free of comp exploiters, as i am

[arctic steppe]

We’ve got a new member for the OLA.Revenants, welcome to the club! 🤝 🫡

[muted coral]

Honestly, gathering all opinions and complaints said here, I believe the main source of problems resides in how easy it is to spam and one-trick 1/2 compositions. As long as this is doable, the problem will persist. The pool system is not a definitive solution as you don't need stage 3 illuvials to stabilize and be strong, Depending on meta shift There will always be compositions that abuse this fact.
These new system changes (weapon/suit rerolls & tailoring) allow everyone to abuse the strongest comp. Making the game and meta revolve in a constant feeling of being stuck.
Maybe we should focus on that, promoting more diversity and flexibility, as of now game only punishes the player for going off-meta builds, when sometimes it should be the other way around

[west plume]

iam in that photo

[arctic steppe]

Totally agree!

[viral marsh]

after play this, whanna go and wash hands.

[west plume]

are you done playing for the day? asking for a friend

i asked because i came in second against FoxSpirit.

which i will frame

[viral marsh]

don't worry, you will meet rog in every game

[west plume]

@primal flax i see you

[primal flax]

hey!

srry mate 🙁

[plucky sedge]

Is there a way I can control which of my illuvials is played if I have 12 different copies of a tier 1 stage 1 illuvial?

[bronze spire]

level the one you want to be highest level

[thick estuary]

Rogue sucks bunch of st2 trash, main problem is overpowered umbra slashin ramphy omegas, they need rework. And need deal with a lot of omnivamp sources

[bronze spire]

i think is almost all revanant, especially rev chip

i could be borderline trash verse tanks/corner with a bit of a nerf

[plucky sedge]

So it always auto-pulls the highest leveled illuvial? If I need to combine 3 stage 1 illuvials to morph into a stage 2, does it take the 3 highest leveled illuvials?

[bronze spire]

yep exactly

[plucky sedge]

Awesome, thanks!

[thick estuary]

when penguins slaps 1200dmg with crit and got 40 omnivamp its not rev chip fault

[bronze spire]

i image at some point they will add a feature to select which ones you want

[plucky sedge]

Yeah, because otherwise they're just forcing people to create a new account and transfer all of the illuvials they want to use over to the new account.

[bronze spire]

yea see your point though without rev chip might have died before snowballing to this by getting kills

[plucky sedge]

I have a level 60 that I would NOT ever want to use bc of bad stats.

[bronze spire]

oh than yea think you would have to transfer it out haha

[plucky sedge]

Ideally they'll build some kind of system that lets you recycle illuvials you don't want in exchange for some kind of economic good.

[bronze spire]

unless its a stage 1/2 than just have to deal with making a second one in game

[bronze spire]

yea think that idea has been thrown around

[crimson cargo]

Hey guys, been a land owner since the auction, but looking to jump into arena. Is there a place I can go to learn strategy/how to play, which illuvials are best for which things, etc?

Where!

[supple epoch]

Rank ! ?

[crimson cargo]

I am brand new. No rank, no team. I have only participated in Illuvium Zero and slightly in Overworld

[tropic forge]

You can look for tutorials on youtube, but there´s also Rich´s website where you can look live games and the codes for watching inside the game. That´s definitely the way to go after you understand the basics
https://illuvilytics.web.app/

[patent kelp]

Men it is impossible to scale in leaderboard, top 2 and it gives me 7 points, how many games do I have to win for reaching top 10?

[rancid raptor]

its impossible

[cursive echo]

HAHA good strategy

[tropic forge]

Question:
If IPL starts on AUG 16, is leaderboard going to reset before the last Thursday of AUG or nothing to do with that?

[cursive echo]

How does it work to be selected for tournaments? Do you just have to do the rankings?

[rancid raptor]

can we play all three tournament tiers: IPL 250, IPL 500, IPL 1000? what do they mean

[cursive echo]

KIERAN help

[light garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/here-comes-trouble-wwe-vince-mc-mahon-power-walk-gif-14781899

Here's comes the boss

[umbral oracle]

Just to clarify, it’s definitely not an invitational. 60 out of 64 Main Event spots are open. You qualify by playing ranked, grinding Sit-and-Gos, or entering the Last Call and Last Chance. No paywall, no Battle Pass, you just show up and play.

The IPL 1000 is invite-only (so I sort of see what you are saying) but it’s based on performance. It’s there to bring in top players and boost visibility, but even then, you still have to earn points like everyone else. Plus only 4 wildcards, which is designed to make it more exciting with players you may have never seen before. Slicks assures me that even if they are top TFT players, without practise they wont be able to win. So I hope that's true xD

Whole thing was designed to be as open as possible. Appreciate the feedback though, we will definitely improve things as we go along.

Oh, and we are doing sponsorship deals right now, money is tight, but we have a bunch of prepaid money from our first campaign that we need to spend.

[umbral oracle]

For the 250 weekend after next * 75% of the spots are filled from the sit and go, so anyone can qualify for it

Most 250 and 500 events will be like that. We want them to be very inclusive and accessible to everyone. The 1000 more exclusive, but you will also have the chance to go through the leaderboard rankings or by placing in the 250 and 500 events, so again, not exclusive at all.

[tropic forge]

Yeah, making 250 and 500 available for everyone and 1000 decided by points on the first 2 makes totally sense. This is definitely the way to go on pro tournaments.

[cursive echo]

I don't understand, do you have to register on the day of the tournament? How does Sit-and-Go work?

[umbral oracle]

Info based posts tend to do poorly, and there is a lot of info in this. I expect the trailer which is much more entertaining to do better, plus viewer fatigue possibly set in a bit, we were everywhere for a 24 hour period, then announced another thing.

The creators we're signing will be the big boost for the league visibility

[ebon aspen]

so let me get this straight Ramphyre 1 shots this my entire team with 3 Magma 3 Agies and Blotto with 4.5 k health ? WTF

[umbral oracle]

Depending on the specific tournament, there will be a 4-6 hour period where anyone can play in ranked and qualify for the tournament. Its a points based system based on your positioning in each match

[cursive echo]

too good

[rancid raptor]

you just managed to build an all in 1 team with the least meta composites 😅

[umbral oracle]

Rough

[ebon aspen]

but come on you cant be 1 shotting 4.5k health units with mitigation and resistance like they are butter

[rancid raptor]

what about smurfs?

[cursive echo]

forbidden ?

[rancid raptor]

can you really control that?

there's no way you'd be able to tell im playing from my little brothers account for example

just to play in that 4-6 hour period and get points based on my positioning in each match

[cursive echo]

You're right, you're giving ideas now.

[rancid raptor]

i'd asume the team has taken this into consideration already and perhaps points earned is calculated using your ranking aswell as your positioning

or something

[ebon aspen]

So I just found out how you legally cheating 🤣 from my last match, basically 3 players 1200 rating go for full earth/mud and the main account goes full Rev Ramhyre. Those 3 players keep hording earth units but when they die you cant really collect T1s earths as it is too late int the game and your LVL 7-8

[cursive echo]

always smart people

[fallen vortex]

You are saying Earth counters Rev Rhamph?

[ebon aspen]

I do way better with full mud than other things vs that crap

[fallen vortex]

Interesting, just gotta race the main to rev then I guess

[ebon aspen]

don't learn anything playing same comp like a robot 🤣

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I have my own comp I play now

Just trying to be consistent learning my favourite illuvials

[ebon aspen]

but at least we have players now 👍

I just saw 10 active games

[fallen vortex]

And marketing hasn't even started

[uncut comet]

soon maybe matchmaking with players in same elo , that would be really exciting 👀

[ebon aspen]

that is the next level up

[ebon aspen]

stay away from my lobby pls

[tropic forge]

I also found this guy and every time he´s on my lobby there are new account going my build... can we please oficially report this?!

this is cheating 100% and must be penalized.

[bitter cypress]

I mean rhamphyre is a t5 stg3 tho

[tropic forge]

Also noticed this playing 1 game this afternoon but tought it was just bad luck,i tought i was just paranoid fighting so many revenants. He throws bots to counter your enemy´s builds and goes for a different build himself.

[ebon aspen]

I mean when token at 20$ in other countries these rewards look super juicy

[ebon pagoda]

[charred matrix]

i know this guy, he is axie player 😆 🇧🇷

[mellow bolt]

Definitely need an update balancing

[hot pond]

You basically need to have no other life. I also can’t really stay in top 10 anymore because the others are grinding too much

[mellow bolt]

Also an Eloy rating if I’m ranked 400 and I’m in a lobby with Top 50 players and I outlast two of them I should get points for that

[charred matrix]

not sure about this though... hes been playing in our voice chat the whole day.

you're welcome to join and play with us whenever 🙂

[hot pond]

The same can be said when I fight with fox Nareba and someone else from top 10 I still get the same points as if I was fighting random people including bots. Just doesn’t make sense there

[charred matrix]

at least when i lose against them, i only lose -1 point 🤣

[atomic depot]

I'm a lock for 5-8 every game so if you're in a lobby with me feel free to smile

[naive mantle]

cause why not

look at dis army

[warm isle]

Yeah the grind is too much now

[tropic forge]

Honestly you guys are starting to be on the center of every controverse. Good luck with that.

[warm isle]

I don't know if I can stay top 20

[tropic forge]

i´m just saying that is not casual that this guy was in my lobby and the same thing happened, gonna look for the game right now

if he´s cheating and exploiting that way, 100% must be penalized, don´t really care if it´s on your channel or guild or what, that doesn´t prove anything

[warm isle]

A lot of new people?

Keep seeing new names

[hot pond]

At some point it just depends on number of matches. You go almost never bot 4 so on average you’re getting 5 elo between 1-4 place.

[charred matrix]

like i said... i'm inviting you to check for yourself 🙂

[tropic forge]

Nah, i´ve already spent too much time crying on chat and things are not getting fixed.
That´s up to you guys

At the end of the day, i´m not getting anything from this, and things are being ignored here, so keep breaking the game, exploting, multiaccounting, and whatever make you guys happy.

[charred matrix]

to be honest, i also find super annoying smurfs and multi accounts... we all know there are ppl abusing that.
we all see high rating players with very little matches played... i kinda refuse to believe they're only playing 5 or 6 matches a week and thats it

[hot pond]

I hope the f2p ILV rewards will eventually stop so we don’t have to deal as much with multi accounts and whatever

Make each of them at least buy the battle pass or whatever

[tropic forge]

100% would love to see this. I prefer 100% a weekly leaderboard on Leviathan than all that new wave of "F2P" (Drainers) will bring

i do want the game to be successful, but filtering rewards is a must , because if with this small group of people playing we already have our exploiters, imagine with thousand people. It will be a hell

[hot pond]

There can be rewards for normal LB too, just add some sort of payment too in order to get into the money

[charred matrix]

dude... dont come accusing us when you just suck at the game. 🫠
i try to be as polite as possible... but u keep attacking with zero prove 🥲

[ocean geyser]

So go to play web2 games, this is not for you

[tropic forge]

I suck? Ty bro. That´s all i wanted to hear from you

[ocean geyser]

this is web3

what are you talking about? are you crazy?

jesus

[hot pond]

Web3 is farming money for free? So you don’t understand that the game will eventually die if that goes on forever?

I guess you’re lacking economic understanding

The money needs to come from somewhere. Some people basically need to lose money so others can win. Basic economics

[charred matrix]

ohhh so it does get annoying when someone says something about u that its not true?? 🤣 👍

[ocean geyser]

We invest, Im play illuvium since 2 years ago, I bought lands, illiuvials, shards, many things

you are crazy or dont have idea what you talking about

it has a economy behind do you know

?

[hot pond]

Some people need to pay for fun as in any freaking game

[ocean geyser]

you are complain because you are losing in arena and dont have any idea about

bye for you show

[open ibex]

chill guys, chill

[hot pond]

Dude literally the OLA people are the most toxic people I’ve met since sjud and smartass

Get off your high horse

Acting like you’re the best because you can spam rev shit 16h a day

[charred matrix]

how so? we've been nothing but true sports here so far

unlike @tropic forge who keeps acusing us :/
or sending on the game chat "i'm the ola terror" and tanking top5 right afterwards 🤣

[ocean geyser]

its free, you also can do, do you know about that right?

[tropic forge]

I´m just gonna say one thing to you OLA guys, and i hope i´m wrong. You guys are just a bunch of exploiters / game drainers and i have enough evidence from different places i asked about you.
My eye is on you. I know you don´t care because you are just here to drain the game, and care a shit about it´s success. I´ve been here since launch and not taking this as a job, i love the game for what it is, the fun and the idea.
And about i suck... hmm, idk, i see you on place 69th on leaderboard and i´m 33th... so, anything that comes from you is literally unstrustful as you guys are

[ocean geyser]

Jesus, you are no sense about it

[hot pond]

Yes I know I would be in top spot if I played 10h more each day. So there is no skill for me. Least skill expression ever in this game right now. So I won’t bother wasting my valuable time with you

[ocean geyser]

Ok bye. The rev will hunt you inside the game

😉

[hot pond]

10h more is not even enough, have to edit that to 15h more I guess

[tropic forge]

Not gonna keep arguing or wasting my time with anyone from your cult. Just take into account i´m watching you guys, on your discord and in your friend´s... good luck in the game.

[hot pond]

I will hunt the rev myself with spamming that shit. I will just block all your units 😉

[tropic forge]

And think a little. You can ask freely in this chat if i have accused any guild / person in like years ?!

if i´m doing it is because i know what i´m doing. See ya , that´s my last sentence about this topic

[charred matrix]

i thought some rivalry could be somehow fun, apparently not....so i do apologize if i've ever offended anyone here.

as i feel trully offended by these statements.

[mellow bolt]

$1000 1v1 in Leviathan would solve this argument

I will pay for hacks

Also any booster for hire ?

[analog sandal]

does anyone want to rent me some illuvials for the next leviathan tournament?

[mellow bolt]

Not complaining I’ll 1v1 you for $100

[analog sandal]

or know someone who wants 🥲

[mellow bolt]

I have a few 60s

Didn’t roll them in the tournament 😂

When is the next tournament

[charred matrix]

i think its friday

[analog sandal]

i heard there will be one in some days

[charred matrix]

it'll be this friday hosted by Polemos.

[mellow bolt]

I beat bigbreakdown last night in leviathan he’s currently ranked number one

[analog sandal]

where the whales that dont play tournaments? help me plss

[mellow bolt]

How do you sign up

[hot pond]

I don’t have anything against you but the other dude just came out of nowhere and talked shit about me.

[charred matrix]

hello @lean ivy

[charred matrix]

well... let's be honest.
it kinda sucks when we get accused out of nowhere.

that goes a bit beyond bantering...

one thing is to complain our guys only spam one comp... another thing is to be calling us cheaters and drainers or whatever.

[tropic forge]

I was the one saying that. Honestly you don´t know how to read or wanna change the subject / attention to anything else.

and i´m leaving, i broke my promise of last sentence but you literally take the pins out from anybody. Cya

[hot pond]

The rev spam shit is one thing.
But the only other thing I mentioned was that I would prefer having no free rewards for all for the benefit of the game project overall. Let’s be real there needs to be some sort of „filtering“ of abusers and free farmers.

And then I get accused of crying about losing in arena? Where does that make sense?

[tropic forge]

Because you are touching their "new job"... they are here to drain, not to contribute . It´s stated clear in every conversation on their discord

[charred matrix]

do u not agree that leaderboard rewards is what kinda saved the game? before that queues took 30-40min to find matches... last year it was insane, took forever to find one match

[hot pond]

Yes but I don’t see the direct impact of having less queue times because of more Smurf accounts / bots / abusers… to having saved the game. Because we aren’t still more individual people if you actually keep facing the same people over and over again. And the games played provide zero money to the project. Instead the money gets drained with free rewards

Or let’s turn that around. When we take off the rewards. You think the queue times will stay the same?
People aren’t playing this game for fun?

[charred matrix]

i kinda disagree.
i won't say all of the boys, but most of them buy fuel every week... bought the summer d1sk... etc.
i think its more complex than that.

but i do agree that it kinda sucks to almost always queue up with the same ppl

[charred matrix]

i've been playing since last year for fun... my first cashout was only recently

[hot pond]

I’ve been playing for fun and for rewards since the very first private beta like 4 years ago. But I still believe we need most people to play only for fun to be sustainable

And I want to take back what I said about OLA all being toxic. That was too much, I should have limited that to only the other guy because he accused me out of nowhere.

[charred matrix]

first we need massive growth... solve that player liquidity.
the game is actually really really good.... we've been bringing new tft players to the arena on weekly basis.

once we reach a decent growth, when queue times are no longer an issue... retention won't be an issue either, regardless of weekly rewards or not.

first they need a reason to transition to a new game, once they see the game is good - they stay.

oh damn 4 years ago... just saw you joined a year before me 👀 thats really OG

[hot pond]

I got into the project in October 2021 I believe

[charred matrix]

september 2022 😄

[hot pond]

But damn some people really have almost double the games I played 😅

[severe marten]

Did we combine both free to play and pay to play players last Leviathan tournament? Why can't we just do that and combine and remove the regular gauntlet and focus on improving Leviathan for both free to play and pay to play?

[charred matrix]

they're grinding nonstop 🤣

[warm isle]

Grind Gogo

[hot pond]

Its hard if you have a full time job as well 😅

[charred matrix]

i feel u bro.
luckly my full time job is at OLA, but i can't play as many matches as i'd like 😆

[tropic forge]

Yeah, if we have IPL for F2P on ranked, why not make Leviathan leaderboard the weekly reward? At the end of the day Leviathan by itself gathered half of this new players wave.
That would also benefit most investors / collectors and give Overworld players joy.

[noble geode]

Yes we did. Because you need both at this stage of the game... f2p brings in people that want to get their feet wet and see what's involved, characters, gameplay, for free. Then lev let's them jump right in and play with owned characters a d see how everything interconnects.

[scarlet spindle]

Regular is go-kart racing, Leviathan is Formula one. Playground for the big boys.

[severe marten]

100% agree and it irritates me that upcoming tournaments with rewards is focus mainly on players who just want to play for free. If last Leviathan tournament was a success why not include Leviathan in the next tournament with rewards both free to play and pay to play can play Leviathan anyways

[tropic forge]

Yeah, either tournaments on Leviathan, or weekly rewards Leviathan only are good for me

[hot pond]

Wasn’t in the initial rewards announcement the thing that there will be leviathan leaderboard and rewards for top 32 or so? Why is that not being added now

[tropic forge]

new players can go to the other option, but not all for new players, because they will just leave afterwards

[charred matrix]

polemos solves this with rental system... so players can check the level gap and try different things before committing to buying illuvials

[hot pond]

Is OW spam the only way to gain XP right now?

[charred matrix]

and ultimately, it incentivizes people to buy fuel/shards and go for some runs on overworld

[severe marten]

Here's my suggestion

1. Remove the regular gauntlet and focus on improving Leviathan gauntlet for both free to play and pay to play players.

2. Increase the number of players to be rewarded to 200 or more players in Leviathan tournament leaderboard.

3. Give rewards for both free to play players and pay to play players in rank 100th place to 1st place leaderboard.

4. Give rewards to free to play only in rank 200th place to 101th place leaderboard.

Do you think this is fair for both sides? Let me know what you think 🤔

[charred matrix]

this is way better than auto drone.... i just tanked here, went for the 1.2k fuel hyper run and got nothing worth it 🤣 should have just spent on stage 3 maps and master shards... 🥲

[scarlet spindle]

I think we need both, but that the rewards and prestige should be weighted toward leviathan. If you dont have new guys starting on gokarts, they might not acquire the thrill and become F1 drivers, which is where the real money is.

[hot pond]

I am all for leviathan incentives because they will generate revenue for the DAO. With people spending fuel on runs for XP and buying units etc.

[tropic forge]

1. I don´t think we need to remove Gauntlet. We can leave Gauntlet as our main event considering seat´n go, events and tournaments. This will be the place to compete on tournaments like these new IPL along the year.

2 - Honestly, increasing the number of rewards will come as we go up on active players. 200 feels right for like 1000+ active players

3 - If we manage to separate Leviathan from normal Gauntlet, we can reward weekly via Leviathan Leaderboard and Ranked Gauntlet only by tournaments and IPL all year (This is where F2P take their rewards)

4 - part of 3.

[severe marten]

They will leave if they find out acquiring illuvials are useless again

[tropic forge]

nah, if they like the game and they earn playing free, they would likely buy a collection to earn from both modes

i earned a lot on Betas, and later on launch. My collection is right there ready to play and still improving. I do love the game a lot, so that´s what we need, to engage players on our games and keep em. I think this mix is the way to go

[charred matrix]

the product is good, retention won't be a problem.
just need to bump on growth

and stop accusing communities that are actually working toward onboarding new players 🤣

[noble geode]

Its all about ballance, and we have a pretty good ballance in all games right now, hence the hype. To drastically change things too much runs the risk of losing momentum which is not wise!! People wanting 15k collections to have priority need to realize, most real gamers detest pay to win... that's a crypto degen thing. Crypto degens can't be the focus for a quality long term game because they change projects multiple times a day, rarely staying loyal to anything.

If someone has a reasonable team but is very skilled they should have just as much chance to win as anyone else. A high level current player with a solid team didn't even make the final in recent leviathan tournament.

[noble geode]

They seem to be coming not going due to a healthier ballance overall and more people wanting to be a part of the games. Most people hated the early leviathan where only the wealthiest teams could win... gamers hate when money gets one the win!

[severe marten]

Im totally ok for free to play and earn that's really good for marketing and attract more new players the only thing I really hate and its boiling my blood is incentivizing more the free to play players than paying players or investors. Free to play and earn does not even contributes to illuvium economy it bleeds out more resources and nothing in return. There should be a balance on both sides

[charred matrix]

i'll be 100% honest bro... its not being easy to convince players to come.
most of them have a very bad impression from previous betas... talking them into coming back and giving it another chance has been my mission in the past months.
i'm happy that the current game state is pretty good now... few bugs here and there, but still fun to play

[jolly whale]

Why not test moving gauntlet rewards to leviathan and see what effect it has on the economy

[charred matrix]

hey @jolly whale !!! remember that match we beat the game and went back to round 1 fliish? 🤣

[jolly whale]

I thinknit would encourage overworld runs/levelling up, buying illuvials

That's a lot of transaction fees for the dow

[charred matrix]

never repeated that feat... i think it was a bug

[jolly whale]

Ha yes that was pretty funny!

[marsh bloom]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[noble geode]

Yeah i hear you for sure!! But a lot of people didn't think we would have the current momentum/ traction we currently have. If there's enough positive sentiment again people will come...
Build a good product and people can't ignore it. The challenge will be web2, getting them to see it's not a scam and that there's not nfts/ crypto transactions in their face the whole time. Transactions need to be simple and fast 🙂

[marsh bloom]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[hot pond]

When you reroll suit amplifier, can you get the same one that you already had or is it always a different one?

[warm isle]

Diff one

[hot pond]

So I can force the true sight suit basically?

[tropic forge]

Yeah, will take (number of suits) x2 gold max

[hot pond]

Need to check how many suits there are

[tropic forge]

i´ve rolled like a lot for that 🤣 , but when u are facing those inferno air 6 builds works!

[open ibex]

not every weapon has that true sight btw

[tropic forge]

yeah can´t remember either jj

[hot pond]

Aren’t the suits all same?

[cyan olive]

If there aren´t disclosed criteria for the 64 invite only events, my comment is rather accurate.
Unless you play in those you are at a big disadvantage for getting points or do those not give points?

[open ibex]

sorry i mean there is a limit of reroll and i tried never get true sight

[hot pond]

Hmm nareba and fox seem to have true sight suit every time. I think you can force it with enough gold. I will give it a go next time

That hunter precision suit is better than having 3 normal augments 🤣

[severe marten]

I actually like the last Leviathan tournament because players that does not own illuvials or has weaker illuvials and has pro skills were still able to compete against players who owns stonger illuvials I think we can keep it like that and that's a healthy competition. But we still have to encourage people that owning illuvials still have advantage in games so we can stimulate economy and create more revenue

[open ibex]

yea maybe im wrong, will try again to confirm

[hot pond]

Fighters can win against rev rogues if you have that suit. Fatesealer augment is not enough

Need the additional atk range

[open ibex]

@terse rampart u in game

[sinful hornet]

Can you clarify a bit more about the IPL 1000? are you gonna have scenarios where you can be say top 15-20 in points from previous tournaments and you don't get invited or is it gonna be something close to half top players and half engagement invites?

[noble geode]

I agree, and that's part of the beauty of bringing people in for free is they get to have fun, then find out that they can rent illuvials or develop scholarship type programs aswell. People may also pay them to level up illuvials if the price is right 🙂

[terse rampart]

This is the 5th time haha thank u man

[pure sky]

do I need illuvials to participate in the tournaments?

[low comet]

Maybe you missed it. It sucks when the truesight is at the end hahahaha

[warm isle]

it got limit of reroll cause i also didnt get like teckson

[hot pond]

how many rerolls can be made?

[warm isle]

10 or 15?

[hot pond]

well there are 18 suits in the public doc

so chances are high to find it actually

if you dont get the duplicates and only new ones

[lean ivy]

Depends which tournament. The IPL is just ranked no need for illuvials.

For the Leviathan tournaments you don't need them either but it will be very hard to compete

[dark vine]

man... this bug that the positioning of your oppenent isn't updated really can ruin games

[tropic forge]

Is there a way i can spectate a game that has ended?

is it posible to watch from spectator´s view a game that has ended from Rich´s site?

[green thorn]

for what is the option to make a team before going into the match?
Is the chance higher to get those illuvials in the team?

[hollow citrus]

No it's not possible

[tropic forge]

what can i do if i think someone cheated?

im almost 100% sure.

can you guys check?

[hollow citrus]

It's to help you during the game, it highlights the Illuvials you selected in the shop

[tropic forge]

i can send details and game ID.

[hollow citrus]

Open a support request with all the information you have and they'll see what they can find

[tropic forge]

not my game, but was helping my friend live, and i noticed. We weren´t recording but it was pretty obvious. ok, will do, ty

[green thorn]

okey thanks dude 🙂

makes it a difference in which arena we are playing which is picked randomly?
maybe some affinities getting a boost? or is it just for the "eyes" :)?

[hollow citrus]

this is just skins

[frozen tartan]

@zenith mortar <@&1400508814910029907>
Good day, my friend. May I occasionally ask you to create tournament lobbies for quality Leviathan practice?

Playing against bots gives us negative practical experience. We need to create conditions that at least closely mimic tournament play.
If you could generate the lobby code (I hope it only takes a couple of clicks), and then I spam that code around, I could find 8 players for intense practice.
We could literally start in just a few hours if you’re willing.

[bitter cypress]

You can play against bots in leviathan ???🤔

[frozen tartan]

That’s not quite the right question.
It’s not just “can we play against them.”
A more accurate way to put it is: “we almost always play against about 5–6 bots.”
Seeing 5 or more real players in a Leviathan match is a rarity.

[hot pond]

@hollow citrus I had a match yesterday or the day before where someone who was positioned 2nd was able to move first in draft deck. And his drone movespeed was like super fast. Is this a known bug? Have seen this only that one time

[bitter cypress]

How long do you have to queue for bots to fill spots ?

[frozen tartan]

It's hard to answer that question. From my experience, it feels like about an hour. I can't say for sure.

[bitter cypress]

Ouch

[spring basin]

I've seen some one move really fast, but not going before some one else

[tawny dove]

That was one beefy Malura @spring basin, I saw it with 11.8k hp+shield in our last round 😅 gg on your 100hp game.

[tropic forge]

An advice from you my friends. Record every game from now on. Even the best cheater can make a mistake like on my game. Sadly i wasn´t recording because i was watching the game via discord, but report any weird game behavior and attach the video, could be the same account that another player has reported.

[spring basin]

Haha yeah, she was definitely a BIG GIRL 😅 Not sure playing 100 hp while playing rogues is much of a merit, but thanks! ^^

[dark vine]

god damit what is this day... two 2nd places which really go on my nerves. One against slickz because malura suddenly found a space in the corner and the other just now because the carousel visual bugged and I couldn't pick steam, which was picked by nareba who survives the game on 3 hp with a last round clutch fight between his malura (with steam) against 4 units (three Illuvials + ranger). After that I really need a break 😱

[tawny dove]

Yea hate those annoying black-swan-events. For me, I get this a lot due to having a lot of game crashes. Looking at the bright side of it, at least it wasnt in the Grand Final with 50k USD on the line for the winner 🙂

[flint lodge]

@noble radish @regal hound Guys, we spoke last time about a new tournament levi with a change %, but we didn't confirm anything for the next tournament. Have you come to any conclusions about what we will test? Will there be changes in stats and levels? Will it be a linear increase, or will it be more from the threshold of 4 to 5 and from 50 level to 60 level?

[noble radish]

Nothing confirmed yet. It's been 1 day since we talked about it. But the next event will almost certainly get a change so we can see the impact. What the exact change is, has not been confirmed yet.

[flint lodge]

I'm truly grateful. Thank you, Aaron, for your contribution

[sinful hornet]

is there no option to not have to keep holding a unit to move it?

[tropic forge]

yeah, check the menu

disable that.

[sinful hornet]

thx

Can you disable holo and dark holo showing in shop tho?

[tropic forge]

It seems we still can´t

[viral marsh]

send all holo/dh to other account

[sinful hornet]

that's a lot of clicks

is seeing opponents current gold planned soon?

[eager portal]

let's keep at least something a secret)

[sinful hornet]

it's not a secret i can count it's just a qol

[eager portal]

I wonder how you can count unsuccessful scrolls of the store or armor?

[zenith bough]

5/8 <@&1400508814910029907>

[frozen tartan]

Have you been searching for a long time? Do you think there are many bots there?

[zenith bough]

If you join I think it would be a me vs. you match

(so yes)

[frozen tartan]

Got it. I’ll hold off, my friend.
Hopefully @zenith mortar wakes up soon and helps us create a lobby for the players.

[carmine obsidian]

Started ?(

[zenith bough]

nope

no players atm

🙁

[frozen tartan]

<@&1400508814910029907> Hey guys, anyone interested in practicing Leviathan?
Let’s start searching for a game at the same time if we get a lot of reactions to this message.
Otherwise, we’ll end up with too many bots joining us.

[mellow bolt]

I’ll be on leviathan tonight so in like 13hours 😂

[zenith bough]

we are currently 3 in game

[tropic forge]

I go to sleep and there´s Trasheba, i wake up and still Trasheba... bro go out and find a girlfriend, there are womans out there...
Go outside... outside is gooood...

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-touch-some-grass-grass-outside-go-outside-gif-20938255

[zenith bough]

alright - taking a brak. let me know if you gather some players @frozen tartan

[west plume]

I will play tonight aswell

Levithan

Dominate everyone

Except Winnie

And 10 other people

But in my heart i will dominate

[frozen tartan]

@zenith bough @flint lodge @carmine obsidian
There are already 4 of us in total.
Anyone else want to play now?
We need to start searching at the same time. No bots in the lobby, please.

[vale zephyr]

Tell me if you need someone right now 🙂

[frozen tartan]

Let's go!

[vale zephyr]

You're in queue?

[frozen tartan]

<@&1400508814910029907> 1/8

[frozen tartan]

@zenith bough @flint lodge @carmine obsidian

[hot pond]

fk all the rogues

[flint lodge]

in 10-15 min i can

[vale zephyr]

We can start in 10 min?

[frozen tartan]

Alright, I’m canceling the search. Let’s all start searching together exactly in 10 minutes.

[gloomy mural]

be happy that they hadnt 4th rev xd

[warm isle]

Yeah composite makes it op

If not just need pro positioning

[frozen tartan]

<@&1400508814910029907> 5/8

[hollow citrus]

It's known 🙏

[flint lodge]

• where should i be?

[cursive echo]

It's the war for the top 1

[hot pond]

thats what ive been thinking too. 3 rev are manageable. only the 4 rev bonus is too OP

[warped basalt]

Shock 5 and lighting I think only fell once vs rogue 7 revenant 4 .... what the hell is this stupidity, it doesn't make any sense anymore, this is just one example of stupidity out of hundreds 🤦‍♂️

[warm isle]

So the patch is today or after reset?

[karmic token]

This game doesn't make any sense anymore, 90% random you can't prevent anything, just play the rogue build .

[warm isle]

Yeah join them

Before getting nerf

[muted iris]

5/8

[calm raven]

So annoying people spamming it, idk why we dont have a hotfix or smthing

If you get a revenant chip u are top 1-2

With tailoring + weapon rerolls they can spam the comp 95% of the games

[frozen tartan]

You just needed to click on "search for game" in Leviathan mode.

[lime cloak]

What's the point in playing that Dust/Revenant comp in Leviathan test match, other then prove it can still compete with a "higher stat/level team" 👀

[frozen tartan]

I'm scared of your scorpion. It's terrifying.

[vale zephyr]

i didn't like the other weapon choice, and i didn't use it in the finals last weekend, just wanna try it.

[lime cloak]

fair enough 🙂 and it's also good to get it tested out in Leviathan to be honest. it's still pretty good. well played 😉

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/stabby-cat-stab-knife-attack-gif-8323277341918006992

[charred matrix]

none of them are sleeping... pulling almost 200 matches already 😆

[cursive echo]

It's crazy, I don't know if it's worth it for 20 ilv, maybe if the token goes back to $2K, but currently killing your health for so little is not interesting.

These 2 people deserve the 20 ilv

[warm isle]

It seems fox no chance already

[analog sandal]

takedown means that ill get the bonus with kill/assist or get it with any enemy death even without assist?

[charred matrix]

no way... its only over when its over... they still got 8 hours to grind 🤣

[warm isle]

So 8-10 games maximum

[ivory saddle]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[analog sandal]

thx

[warm isle]

Guys grind more

[mighty tulip]

Anyone up for <@&1400508814910029907>

[frozen tartan]

I can later, in a couple of hours

[mighty tulip]

ping when you ready

[turbid osprey]

with assists/kills

[charred matrix]

gg @uncut comet @open ibex !!!
i should have tanked top5 long time ago haha 😆

[open ibex]

GG! thought i had a chance with phosphorus XD

[charred matrix]

i screwed up the positioning... charizard didnt do jack shit on that last round 🤣

[uncut comet]

was nice idea with that rogue imprint

[charred matrix]

i was super lucky to get charizard and butterfree at the end...

[open ibex]

lost 1v1 with scoriox 🤣

[charred matrix]

great game guys

[zenith mortar]

lol these two names for rhamphyre and monarch are too much haha

[charred matrix]

i think neither of them are playing like this for this extra 8 ILV... its for the glory.
it's either stay the undisputed champion... or be the new champion 🤣

[charred matrix]

c'mon its the perfect reference haha

[warm isle]

It should be the bug fire for the phantom

[charred matrix]

if we're having this much fun now... can't wait for IPL to start...

[outer surge]

Monarch is secretly a Volcarona for sure 😂

[mighty tulip]

Tbf Charizard isn't a dragon so it kinda fits. Aaron would approve

[charred matrix]

i stopped at the first 150 😆

[warm isle]

Yea

[dark vine]

tbh, I believe most play for the fun by now. At least I don't play for the money.

[charred matrix]

i 100% agree!
i dont know how @zenith mortar hasnt blocked me yet...
i've been bothering him and complaining about queue time for months. 🤣
now you can finally get a match under 5 minutes... ❤️

[zenith mortar]

My dms are not a lonely place

[void dust]

3 of the top 4 players have 4 revenant. That's it, that's the message. The player experience does not care what some fringe AI can do in this meta.

[dark vine]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

also gz to your win and now kindly stop winning before you pass me on the leaderboard 😄

[void dust]

lol ty, but I'm not much of a threat. only climbing 'cause I've been playing the broken build - not some skill expression lol. I'll get back to playing shit that don't work (everything else) soon enough.

I personally believe the game is waaaaay too complicated and I don't do half the stuff you can do. Like, I don't even know how to scout other players yet.

[dark vine]

For that it seems you are doing extremely well. Regarding scouting: you can hover over there names on the right or just click the names or click "watch" after hovering.

but there can be some problems with your visuals during carousel if you scout and carousel starts.

Try to avoid that. If it still happens:
The bug for me mostly is that I can't see my drone movement. To still collect the right Illuvial in that case: Move your drone from your starting position to one point near the ring or into the center, wait until it should have reached that position and move to your Illuvial from there. In summaray two well thought-out clicks from your starting position.

[arctic steppe]

I want to give a big thanks to my friend @viral marsh , if he hadn’t motivated me, I would’ve given up on chasing that Top 1. That’s why I’m returning the favor now: c’mon Fox, don’t give up, you got this!!!

There are still 7 hours left, I believe!

[void dust]

Thank you, but I won't be scouting - like I said - it's too much. I'm trying to enjoy playing a video game not 24 tabling poker sit n gos.

[native mauve]

@languid sparrow when do you think we can have an update on revenue and overworld figures from before leviathan tournament compared to after? appreciate

[void dust]

EZ elo dump by not playing the game and just typing on Discord.

[languid sparrow]

Could you please clarify or be more specific with your question?

[charred matrix]

i feel the same way.
i find playing earth bulwark, or nature fighter weapon way more fun than spam revenant...
there are just too many good viable options to stick to one single comp, i hope they nerf that soon

[charred matrix]

chatting was not the problem... i think 6 players going revenant did the trick 🤣

[native mauve]

when can your send us a revenue report for the overworld and user numbers 8-10 days before leviathan tournament on the weekend and compare to this week after the tournament...there was probably a bump a few days before tournament. You know how you used to do, are u able to make one soon for us please? @languid sparrow

[languid sparrow]

You're asking about the number of players in the Overworld and how it correlates with the Leviathan Arena tournament, right?

[low comet]

Thank you Ola fam for introducing Revenants, now I can't play. HAHAHA

[cursive echo]

Don't get burned before the real tournaments (you're both psychopaths)😆

[low comet]

I know you're not playing now. But how come you're still awake after playing 24 hours hahahaha

[arctic steppe]

Yeah, I’m gonna go touch some grass now, maybe play a bit of Overworld. If I keep up this 20-hour-a-day Illuvium grind, I’m gonna lose my girlfriend and my job at OLA 😂

[native mauve]

yes and revenue as well because probably same players playing and spending more as well

[charred matrix]

he has his duties... he has to be there on discord to help onboard new users 🙂
thats his day job now haha

[mighty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

28 hours a day... minimum

[languid sparrow]

Can't really mesure that except if ask every simgle OW player why they are playing their run.

[low comet]

Bro can you let top 1 player sleep -_-

[native mauve]

just need the numbers @languid sparrow revenue and players...please

[languid sparrow]

Sry, got othe priority and for what it will bring .... it's small

[karmic token]

Bulwark 8 colossus 3 and an ranger beats all 3 colossus alone, will this game ever make sense again? this is just one of hundreds of nonsense

[pastel cosmos]

I’m just wondering—if Illuvium Arena ever comes to mobile, how would it even work? How would you see all the details and manage everything? Everything looks so small on a phone screen.

[native mauve]

More for tablet than phone but still doable with ui changes

[mighty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-gif-14954043419147803630

<@&1400508814910029907>

you playing @zenith mortar, you can fill a lobby better than i can 😅

[sinful hornet]

how does tailoring work, is it based on the board you have when you open the anvil or on the board you had into pve?

[zenith mortar]

Trying fix up some tournament stuff currently if we need an eighth i can

[void dust]

lol, chatting was the issue... every game 6 players go for it, but in this one I was literally typing in discord and looked at my other screen only to see my game was over. i didn't even know I was low on health. Prolly had over 100g too. smdh

[mighty tulip]

hopefully a tournament I can play in. I keep missing them. Dad issues not skill

[zenith mortar]

i understand im about 5 weeks away again

[mighty tulip]

we should have a dads only tournament. All boomers slow rolling 😅

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassing-dad-dance-gif-4947642

[zenith mortar]

it has to be a sit n go though so dads can also take out the trash when required

[west plume]

i slow roll hard ser

[mighty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-roll-monkey-orangutan-gif-4576147

[zenith mortar]

i cant roll or risk not getting up

[west plume]

This is me showing my kids how to do parkour

you have to say Parkour while doing it

[zenith mortar]

it makes you better

[west plume]

and cooler

[zenith mortar]

more agile

[west plume]

really working that Spine bone

[twilit storm]

good question

my money is on the board u have wen u open the crate

[turbid osprey]

the board you have so you just remove all non-revenant units and 100% get 4th rev

slickz will make a thread tomorrow to rework this cause it doesnt make any sense

[mighty tulip]

Tried a rank game and everyone just plays revenant lol. Came 4th but the mode is trash rn 😅

[dark vine]

hmm, my best games today were games in which I didn't played rev., but yeah it is pretty strong and easy to acquire

[mighty tulip]

I choose not to because it's clearly not working as intended. Integrity is a virtue in decline these days though sadly

That argument would wash if we had a large ignorant community. We don't though, everyone doing it knows it's alienating other players.

We can choose to be trolls or not. That's on us not the team

[west plume]

Sound like skill issue

[mighty tulip]

Most people would likely agree with you @void dust . But I'm not most people 🙂

[violet summit]

how random is the map? I played 4 games today, all in Crystal Shores 😮

[bitter cypress]

i wanna play illuvium but my work internet has a VPN and i cant play 🙁

is there anyway around that ?

[rapid zenith]

Quit your job

[bitter cypress]

soon

4 years

btc at 1million im done

[rapid zenith]

There will be too many pro ILV players by then 😂

Imagine if it went to $2k again - these Wednesday night would be hectic!

[bitter cypress]

lol

[fluid raptor]

too much alt accounts.....

if I were in a good spot, I would play with alts to keep my spot, winning same game hurting more

how about phone verification?

or discord bound, since it is tied to phone too

[carmine obsidian]

Wen patch , need delete revenant users 🙄

[ebon aspen]

🔥

[fluid raptor]

I play with it but I hate to play too

[safe valve]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[charred matrix]

i think earth bulwark shield with reflect is way more fun to play... so fun to watch ranger go 1v9

[fluid raptor]

not as effective as earlier dude :9

[charred matrix]

its still fun haha
other comps i really like is templar... but yeah, not enough to beat braindead revenant either 🤣

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/templar-knight-grace-of-god-we-win-fight-gif-15784054

[fluid raptor]

it is like every patch, follow a single line, everyone, otherwise you lose

no room for trying new things, I have tried it, now from 20-30 to 150+

you should do whatever everyone doing...

managed to do 4 slayer last round, and still 5th

it is hard to do but a player with 4 slayer should do something better...

[rancid raptor]

never too much invoker

[fluid raptor]

invoker is exponential. every one of them feeds each other

[rancid raptor]

get rekt

[fluid raptor]

even one of them is working, others just feed it

[rancid raptor]

you got to 4 slayer on 7hp

to be fair

[fluid raptor]

dude, 4 slayers, does not matter 4 or 40 hp

it is deadly

[rancid raptor]

it does bc i got 4 invoker and a crazy 1 in a 100 games super lucky

[fluid raptor]

it was strong, then weak, now something changed and a little more strong today

I cant keep it up

some back-end updates or whatever I cant follow anymore

[carmine obsidian]

It's a pity that no one plays rogue

[rancid raptor]

yeah i get what you mean, i would really appreciate the team not to do backend balances if thats what they do

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-see-cant-see-sh-cant-see-it-cant-see-anything-cant-c-gif-26822634

[rancid raptor]

not without patch notes is what i mean

[fluid raptor]

not sure, but it seems like it

[rapid zenith]

I haven't been playing rogue but I'm doing ok - I like that everyone is chasing that

[charred matrix]

yeap... u used to be way way better man... but every time we queue up together and u try to go off meta, i see u strugle 😅

[fluid raptor]

see last 2 rounds, I was not using revenant although I had it, when I used it the difference

3 predator it was

but useless

[charred matrix]

predator is shit... i tanked a match with 4 predator... i think chuko and grilla are too nerfed compared to other units 🙁

[fluid raptor]

just wanted to try something new XD as you see I got 2 revenant even thoug I could get 3 there

hate to follow meta

nothing to be done... 4 revenant ftw XD

[charred matrix]

either that or lose.
honestly, we're all fed up on that comp as well... but a win is a win 🫠

[fluid raptor]

lost to web3 with vermiliare, so lost to a better revenant XD

too sad but revenant wins

[charred matrix]

exactly, thats the only counter for revenants... having better revenant units or better items 🤣

[fallen vortex]

Its starting to truly ruin the game for me

[bronze spire]

i think slashin rev difference haha

[orchid panther]

do we already know* when it will be the next rank reset?

[muted coral]

Honestly, gathering all opinions and complaints said here, I believe the main source of problems resides in how easy it is to spam and one-trick 1/2 compositions. As long as this is doable, the problem will persist. The pool system is not a definitive solution as you don't need stage 3 illuvials to stabilize and be strong, Depending on meta shift There will always be compositions that abuse this fact.
These new system changes (weapon/suit rerolls & tailoring) allow everyone to abuse the strongest comp. Making the game and meta revolve in a constant feeling of being stuck.
Maybe we should focus on that, promoting more diversity and flexibility, as of now game only punishes the player for going off-meta builds, when sometimes it should be the other way around

Aside from that, in my opinion tailoring should take into account the synergies/composites you had at the moment of receiving the crate, not when it gets opened. Player gets too much freedom

[open ibex]

Last Thursday of each month

[tropic forge]

Actually the main issue is that "Meta" refers to a slighty overpowered build or units that has small advantage over the others every season. In this case, Revenant is not a "Meta", revenants are just broken, because they shouldn´t work like that. Rogue units can´t tank more damage than actual tanks.
Leaving a broken thing on a game for this long make players upset and to leave the game temporary.
For example, Wildfire is Meta, Inferno is Meta, but Revenants are broken.

[fluid raptor]

so a better revenant? XD

[bronze spire]

yea lol

[fluid raptor]

if I play the ones you call "meta" I lose to broken for sure. so how can they be meta x_X so meta is revenant dude

imo, rather than all nerf-hammering anything- others should be buffed and meet in the middle. so far all meta has been nerfed, and an other popped up. rather than sliding the one down 10x, it should be down 0.5 and others should be buffed. and in official guides and tournament announcements, it is encouraged to follow meta

this is not healthy

being creative should be the way to go

and although I am not sure, back-end updates should not be done

even dota could not balance it after 20+ years, it is understandable. but nerfing one and polishing othwes is not the way.

every update is a challence

rather than only nerfing revenant next update, poor builds should be buffed too so we meet in the mid

oh whatever. gn. rich give me some raffle tomorrow I got 0 this week 😛

[tropic forge]

Of course you lose to "broken", the fact here is that "broken" should not exist on a competitive scene, and in case it happens (because even in Dota has happened) shouldn´t last more than hours / 1-2 days live.
I know we have a small team and they are working almost full time but a broken thing on main scene is a full priority situation.

I´m not "crying" here on chat 24x7 talking about broken things / cheats / exploits because i want to win every game, or because i hate losing. I do hate losing against someone with 0 skill exploiting something, but that´s not even the point.
I really care about the game, i play the game 70% for fun and want to make it as good as possible but for that to happen devs should listen to player sentiment and start punishing bad actors and caring about the game other than launching a patch every season.
Also the multi accounts we know are there and been there for like 2 months...
Hopefully we wouldn´t see em when IPL launches, let´s just wait and see...
A player taking double reward could end in another player getting frustrated and leaving the project.

[orchid panther]

ty, mate

[jolly whale]

@zenith mortar ... Did we miss a going hyper episode and raffle? Or am I going crazy?

[south geyser]

Right there with you. Hence why so many are going on about dust/revenant and corner comps all the time. Personally, I'm of a mind that it's a great way to demonstrate how serious of an issue it is. While there may be data the team has that shows that these things aren't technically the strongest comps or whatever, it's still important that it gets changed due to player frustration. It's kind of like how some league champs are balanced at 49% wr versus others that are balanced at 52%

Zed, Yasuo, Irelia, dust, revenant, stork bs...all need to be kept slightly weaker because they are NOTICABLY more frustrating to lose against because of degenerate play patterns

[severe marten]

Sorry noob question What is the most meta team combinations? what are the illuvials needed? Im always placed 8th or 7th in gauntlet games 😢

[ivory saddle]

Go to illuvilytics website. In the community tab click latest winning comps

[fallen vortex]

The guaranteed tailored crate comes in at the endgame anyways, not sure this solves it.

The balance of synergies was based around difficulty, but this difficulty shifted with the recent update. I expect balance to also shift to accomodate sometime next week, if not end of this week.

But you are right that any 'easy' synergies can be acquired by so many players at one time with very little recourse which is a problem. Any synergy like this needs to become considerably weaker.

[ivory saddle]

Later in about 17 hours

[zenith mortar]

Tomorrow

[fluid raptor]

I agree but, lost so easily with 4 slayers. it was a first for me. used even 6 inferno even before fusion. so you know how hard to get 4 slayers. even 2 is hard and should be dominating but with 4 I am losing to an easier one...

not only a ban hammer but buff for others are needed.

[fluid raptor]

I agree with you dude but dota is a giant compared to ilv atm. I am sure just for that there are 20-30 people are working. but yes since it is going global, we need faster reactions. but for now there are other priorities I get it XD

in-fact I am more into the mmo XD

waiting for it

too much competetive removes from your life 😛

dota has taken 10 years of my life so dont wanna lose more XD

I mean not by playing 😄

stressful

otherwise played it for 20 years XD

[tropic forge]

Feel you bro.
Honestly, i thought i would never regret so much Dota in my life. I played consistently like 5-7 hours a day first 2 years (on college with friends) and after that like 3hours a day for 6 more years .
I quit 3 years ago , don´t really know the reason but it somehow wasn´t fun anymore for me. Managed to get to Divine I but at the end of the day that´s just a number and proves nothing.
Illuvium somehow gives the psycho factor of Dota, but i ´ve been always more fan of tactics games like this (My favorite game of all times if FF Tactics on PS1 🤣) .
The hunger of winning rank and that constant brain stress of too much possibilities and combinations on a single game is superb. I truly have fun playing this game.
I work remote as a programmer and honestly I'm recently getting paid for literally 1-2 hours a day, so i have too much free time. Illuvium rewards are good for my country, but i guess for me they are an excuse for playing it 🤣
I would like this project to become a real BIG thing among web3 and why not? web2 too, because the potential is there, but yeah, there´s a long road and many things to overcome for that to happen.

[south geyser]

A large part of the issue is also coming from the fact that there just aren't enough different units for 8 players to have 8 different comps to go. Inevitably we end up with 4-6 trying to go rogues or air, and 2 getting either trashed by them, or crushing them because they all screw each other over. More units for each synergy would help some of this, but it won't help at all until the forcing meta changes. We asked to reroll weapons because you HAVE to play certain comps to win, but if we just...rebalance the synergies, we won't always need to force the same 1-3 comps to not get trashed.

My suggestion? Nerf items...hard

More item effects, fewer stats

Drop agro at 50% health? Awesome. Infinite attack speed stacking? Not okay.

Item use and redistribution needs to be a skill expression like positioning

[tropic forge]

yeah also omnivamp and attack speed stacking is breaking many units specially some rogues. Easy to abbuse when other things fail.

[south geyser]

Penguin, bear, doggo, and birds come to mind

Also, true sight invalidates an entire archetype...remove it

Then nerf dodge

And REMOVE/REWORK dust

I feel strongly

[tropic forge]

I know is harder do than say here on chat, and perfect balance is impossible, but yeah, i also fear there are still many deficiencies on balance.

Hope this patch tackles many of them , i truly want the game to be most polished on that aspect before IPL.

[severe marten]

Are we always going to see same players like Nareba and Foxspirit on top of arena leaderboard forever? Or is this thing going to be fixed soon? 🤔

[tropic forge]

Bro, about this, they are very comited players and they deserve to be there.

[south geyser]

They're going to be at the top because they are good and have more time and dedication than the rest

You can be there too if you get to that level and also spam 200 games

[tropic forge]

Nareba exploited those revenants to the max, and i kinda feel Fox deserves more praise, but yeah, in time comited to the game and on winning most games, they deserve it... i guess.

[south geyser]

Hey now, exploiting revenants is hard when EVERYONE and their grandmother is doing it too, lol

[severe marten]

I mean I know they are the best pro players in arena but come on let other players feel the rewards of their hard core gaming time, some players I bet they sht pee and shower in front of their computer just to be on top 100 leaderboard

[summer frigate]

Was the reward from the tournament distributed ?

[tropic forge]

yeah... not gonna give my opinion on this, because i´m not accusing people on chat anymore. Just submitting some game reports and video evidence. About that i have a concern, but that´s not the point. Still looking for more concrete evidence to prove my point

200 games in 2 weeks = 8000 minutes (assuming 40 minutes for game and queue time)
= 133.3 hours = 5.5 days.
They spent like 5 days and a half constantly playing, in 14 days.

[south geyser]

Those are rookie numbers since dota and league were coming up earlier, lol

But I hear what you're saying about game fixing concerns. I've seen plenty of suspicious matches go down as well. That's unfortunately going to be the norm when there's a financial incentive to win.

[zenith mortar]

Yes

[tropic forge]

Bro i know it feels bad, but that´s how the competitive scene works. Skill + Effort = Rewards. Would it be fair if players that spent 3-5 hours a day as me , will get rewarded more than those that literally did nothing else than play?! Nope.
We do need more playerbase to reward on tiers. Also, players can go to tournaments now on the IPL, Leviathan Tournaments also, with bigger prize pool so, yeah, on that part, i don´t have a single complain

[south geyser]

Fair play is the last resort in competitive spaces

Just look at how people often cheat at cards...or dope at the Olympics

It's a given people will do this shit. It's on the organizers to filter it out, unfortunately

[severe marten]

True but sometimes its hard to trust people you can't always say they are doing the right thing to be in that position. Why not fairly distribute the rewards to others maybe alternating who can be in rewards pool every other week it's just my thought

[tropic forge]

Exploiting an online game is not easy, but definitely possible and it would be really bad if this is possible on a web3 game like Illuvium. I just hate cheaters so much i can´t describe it on words. Dunno why, not a special trauma, they just boil my blood 🤣

[south geyser]

Well, with a few computers, or a few friends willing to sandbag for you, I'm sure it's not that hard...

Easy to detect, sure, but also easy to get away with for a short while

It's only easy to get away with low player counts though