🎮〕illuvium-arena

[sinful hornet]

like the game has 2 viable builds which is kinda insanely dumb

[viral marsh]

don't like earth - play other builds. it's much other.
play build which can be contested by 1 player build same units - not best choice

[sinful hornet]

2 players can pretty easily play earth

just not in lobby with 3 adaptives and blightfire

[viral marsh]

but it's so easy win both of them then. while they fight for units at lvl5-6

[sinful hornet]

yea but they'll start 5 winstreaking at 50 hp

and then for the rest of the game only if someone hit really big cap do they lose

[viral marsh]

and when they start - you already at full eco lvl8

[sinful hornet]

no they start on lvl 7 timer

but i mean it's still just coming down to items anyways

[viral marsh]

prob. but they have 0 gold. you have 70. and late game on you

[sinful hornet]

not 0

40 usually

[viral marsh]

i see in last game>Nefer and Sota roll to 0 and still not beat stage-3 units

[sinful hornet]

u get 8 they get 8 2-3 rounds later

is there link to the stream

[viral marsh]

how that possible - roll tier-1 stage 3 and go to lvl 8 at same time?

[sinful hornet]

because u slowroll for the whole 2nd stage

or u commit once and hit and then by stage 3 u built econ up

[viral marsh]

you still stay and roll for stage 3. while other go in lvl.
and if all other, but 2 player who build tier-1, play at lvl - you have full rolls of other tier-1 units, and spend next 10 turns to build your stage-3 units

[sinful hornet]

ye and that's why u're 50 hp

[viral marsh]

probably you lucky. but when i play with deck depend of tier-1 units, i got my stage 3 around round 18-20.
if i play eco+lvl - i got lvl8 at 19

[sinful hornet]

yes that's about the timer contested but that's the point u don't ruin ur econ if u do that

u're behind level tempo 2-3 rounds but it doesn't matter cuz u're winning lvl 6/7 vs 7/8

[viral marsh]

then "u get 8 they get 8 2-3 rounds later" - not work

[sinful hornet]

it does

u traded hp instead of gold

[viral marsh]

if you build your stage 3 at 20. and then not push lvl for all money - you need extra 60 gold to get to 8. it's more 5 rounds

[sinful hornet]

u hit after pve and u push 6, u beat lvl 7

then u push 7 after

then in 2-3 u push 8

[viral marsh]

without stage-3 tier-1?

[sinful hornet]

with

[viral marsh]

then you are lucky build stage-3, have eco and push lvl like all other

[sinful hornet]

why, u don't have half of hp

[viral marsh]

if you build 3-4 t1-stage 3, have 60-70 gold before round 18 - it's luck even with 50 hp

[sinful hornet]

u only need grilla 3

and u don't go earth if u don't natural grillas early

[viral marsh]

from this game.round 19 - 0 eco, 1stage 3

[sinful hornet]

has to be played bad

[viral marsh]

how you can know, you build stage-3 grilla or not?

[sinful hornet]

natural = in ur shops without rolling

[viral marsh]

but it's top-2 player, he get better that us. so - he stronger, i gues 🙂

[sinful hornet]

sometimes game wants u to win no matter what sometimes it wants u to lose

[viral marsh]

when i play yestarday - Whity got in 3/4 games before round 15 templar weapon. today he got shield before round 9.
in 1 of this game - he got 7 bears before round 18.
so - you got all this just without rols in shop?
it's random luck then

[sinful hornet]

it is

because it's skewed, you only go earth when the game gives u the units

unless u're griefing or it's uncontested then u can force it

[viral marsh]

even if game give you 6 grilla before round 8. and you check - all other build around earth - you think have stay on it?

[sinful hornet]

bro if game gives u 6 grilla before 8 u are guaranteed 3 star

[viral marsh]

when i see 2-3 players got monkier/grilla stage 2, even they not play earth - it's mean you already not got this units so easy

[sinful hornet]

there's 20 in the pool, even if there's 9 out + 6 of urs u're still hitting

[viral marsh]

and in your lobby 4 players also got grilla stage-2

how you build stage-3?

[sinful hornet]

because 20-12 still gives me 3 star

[viral marsh]

4x3+6=?

[sinful hornet]

there weren't that many out

there were me 1 more guy and web3 on grilla 2

someone else had each 1 grilla 1

[viral marsh]

sometimes - people build units on bench. i check lobby at round 9 - noone play archi> i'l start play build around this unit
then at round 12 i see on air team archeleon. how you can expect that?

[sinful hornet]

u can't, i just played around what i saw

[viral marsh]

but earth build to much depend of all other people in your game. not on you

[sinful hornet]

in tournaments i agree on ladder everyone's griefing so earth is always free if u're given grillas

[viral marsh]

look on Sota game - he start roll earth, and not hit grilla. but when he check at lvl8-9 - noone in game play this untis.
and then - suddenly 1 more player build stage-1 units.

[sinful hornet]

ok im gonna watch the game

[viral marsh]

only air was uncontested with 2 people build tier-1 units. i think he will win, while noone have true-sign. but sear with adaptive not let it

[sinful hornet]

sota has no bussiness playing earth in this spot if he did he griefed

[ember sail]

Where can I watch the broadcast?

link

[sinful hornet]

go to illuvium twitter and scroll a bit

[ember sail]

ok thanks bro

[sinful hornet]

he didn't have an earth spot

[viral marsh]

but he check lobby and decide do it

and then free-roll coz not only he decide roll tier-1 earth

[sinful hornet]

but he doesn't have the gold

[viral marsh]

when he start roll he stay at 70

with win-streak, or around it

[sinful hornet]

this is why

he actually hit the earth spot but rolled too much too early

[violet summit]

@zenith mortar @dark scaffold thanks for the tournament today, it's really nice to see official tournaments kicking off!

For future tournaments, I just hope that you reconsider the format. 1 game per round makes the top 2 reliant on augment RNG rather than skill.

If you check in all games played today, all top2 had either damage reflection or blightfire (or both)

And the finals were the true RNG augment fiesta. I'm sure nefer would have won if he had played bullwarks

[sinful hornet]

could straight up get rid of the "tournament" part and just make it the qualifier event format

although then u're making it lobby rng

[viral marsh]

to save streak

[sinful hornet]

that has to be missplay

[violet summit]

A BO2 would be better per round, in my opinion, you can keep the same lobbies

[viral marsh]

streak give more gold that stay at 70

[sinful hornet]

no what i mean is qualifier event as in prizes based on points in the 4 hour period

[sinful hornet]

what, not if he went to 30

[viral marsh]

streak 9 = 3 extra gold+1 for win. 4 gold

[sinful hornet]

which is the same gold, but one's guaranteed one's not

and ur win con is hitting grilla

[viral marsh]

+you have board. but he roll around 30 and hit not to much and start losing

[sinful hornet]

but also nefer has no bussiness going for reroll in his spot

[viral marsh]

yes, i'm already mentioned. with adaptive - strange decision go in tier1, instead of bulwarks

[sinful hornet]

they legit both had guaranteed top 2 spots

[viral marsh]

even with this random with augs. i more value some fast weapons stage-2. 3 templar mid-game>adaptive.
but sometimes you roll 70 gold and don't get templar/unit stage 2. sometimes you just got 1-2 weapon stage-2 before round 15.
1 game i got sear before round 19, with shield already in bag.

[sinful hornet]

ok this lobby was an insane clown fiesta tho, like 4-5 adaptives

[viral marsh]

it's final game. probably someone from sky, tweaked a couple of pedals to make it more interesting to watch

[ember sail]

and they even cut off my internet

lol

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-gato-comiendo-cable-meme-elmascapito-neko-gif-24915794

[viral marsh]

i got behemoth shield and aug at lvl9 2 days ago>then stay at win-streak 8-10 rounds. then my internet off for 10 min. i think i'm already die.
when i got back, i was at 20 health in top-4, with 200 gold

was to late for comeback. i finish 3rd. i was happy that not -40-50

but it was surely game for top-1

[ember sail]

wow, 200 gold your team was strong and well positioned when it fell lol

[violet summit]

stupid pool is broken... one guy eliminated with exalted grilla, rolled 50 gold at lv 7 to find 1 more grilla, do you think I found it?

[dense helm]

Is there a site like mobalytics that has Arena team comp breakdowns, stats, etc?

[winged fox]

Don't worry if you're lucky

[ember sail]

survive longer too, I only got these broken augments at the end of the game

They were my last 2 augments to tell the truth, the reflector and the poison

[zenith mortar]

I mean even with 3 “broken augments” nefer lost and then you guys say well “if he had 5 bulwarks” he wins

I love you guys

It was fun

Had a great time

We will adjust

[zenith mortar]

Ask @reef basalt

[ember sail]

This tournament resulted in people discussing builds for a long time, lol I saw the Brazilian crowd celebrating for having made it to the final in the comments of the live stream lol very cool

[gaunt hull]

Yeah give credits to the champ! He Have to get the perfect position of illuvials with nefer having 3 ADAPTIVE. You can have all the augments and still lose if enemy out positions you. Game is not just about having good augment you really have to think clearly on how to use the said augments and position the illuvials too

Many other variables to when to level up when to roll for stage 3. Stay to lvl 8 and get stage 3 or go for lvl 9.

[zenith mortar]

Exactly I think its more skill expression than ppl give it

[gaunt hull]

For example is this game. Only bad thing going on for thanatos is he has no weapon. But he has a stage 3 illuvial with 1 so called broken augment and 1 level ahead of me. Was losing 2 rounds then had to change some positions for me to get the win. And I dont have even one of those broken augments too and lvl 8 with no stage 3 illuvial. So it takes SKILL or Crucial illuvial positiong to win too.

[viral marsh]

not enough just skill. when random play against you.
when you got worst aug/roll 70-100 gold and don't get weapon stage 2. when noone in lobby play unit you need, and you roll and can't get it.

[void dust]

If that second aug on Fernite is nullifier, then it was key to your victory imo. Not talked about like the others, but it's absolutely S+ tier aug.

[gaunt hull]

Personally i play so few games cause of business and work constraints so I was not able to participate in the tourna. But I do get many weapons personally if I dont get my weapon of choice. Verdant weap. Tsunami weap, behemoth, Templar. Then switch my build to what I can

[viral marsh]

if he stack this 2 aug at 1 unit, everything can be different

[gaunt hull]

Able to get to 2k mmr with just I think 70 games. My first 20 games just noobing around dont know what im doing even

[gaunt hull]

Yeah thats why im telling its also decision making is crucial. Doesnt mean you have the augment you win already.

[viral marsh]

you have game with only stage-2 units. you got templar weapon>he got just item to close slot, he not build behemoth

[gaunt hull]

But my hp was around 60 then I almost lose i went down to 7hp its a hard game to be honest. Even mentioned thanatos on how I was having fun that game because I almost lose from 60hp

[viral marsh]

most of my games i play with weapon stage-1, before round 20-25. and when i see people play with weapons stage-2 at round 10, and at round 15 they got with weapon synergy of 3. it's made me dissapointing

and when i start roll for weapon>i can spend 60-70 gold and don't get last piece

[gaunt hull]

Yeah im not saying rng is a big deal. IT IS. makes the game want to quit if RNG is not so nice. Just saying also that it takes a lot of thinking to win even when you have the augments too.

[viral marsh]

they should let us play with 1st version of ranger weapon before bonding. when you got 2 weapon/2 suit in shop.
i remember this 1st patch. when you can build weapon stage 3 in 2/3 games.
when you spend 20 gold>and get weapon stage 2.
but they decide> it's to much info looking for 4 weapon/suit slots and 5 illuvials

[gaunt hull]

Its not nullifier. Its the augment that adds 1% dmg from max HP

[viral marsh]

and nullifier work in small range, strange put it on range unit

[gaunt hull]

Yeah I know it looks like nullifier but its not haha

It was a fun game of mixing illuvial positions and putting the augments on where it would be best.

[viral marsh]

and about "broken" aug. when everyone in lobby play at around same skill/knowledge - this augs just let get high possitions with less efforts.
when you pick 1 aug, and can use 20-30 gold cost board and win boards with 50-60 gold price. it's mean value of this aug=30 gold.
and your opponent was unlucky with his choice, and have use stronger boards, roll more etc, to not lose hp.
he got legendary which give value only for late game, or sometimes even 5-10 gold worth vs your aug which doing top-1 dmg in your team.

[ember sail]

Currently the game consists of whoever gets there first drinks clean water, in other words, whoever made a certain build first has an advantage,

because what comes after costs a lot more gold and sometimes doesn't even get close to the build.

[bronze spire]

round 11 we versed eachother you had 4 grilla to my 3 lol. And i had more aapon, snail and monkier. Also you didnt have stage 3 lynx, you had a stage 2 and no more lol

[zenith mortar]

Love the activity bois

[sinful hornet]

then i haven't rolled down yet

[bronze spire]

obviously yea we both hadnt, was round 11. You were talking as though you made the decision based off comparing our positions which you were way off

[sinful hornet]

well yea cuz only grilla matters and it was basically open

but like don't think it's flame or anything, in ur spot i'm thinking bulwarks are just free why would i ever coinflip instead

[sinful hornet]

it's really sad that the meta is potentially 3 number changes away from being way better but in 1 month it just didn't happen

[bronze spire]

i had easy late game 5 bulwarks 7 earth

if i had of known you commit earth after seeing me ahead in units, econ and signaled with 5 earth round 5 maybe i wouldnt have done it

[sinful hornet]

ye it was missplay not typing the moment my shop is 2 grilla 2 aapon

but i also didn't expect playing with actual no augments

[bronze spire]

yea that is rough

[open ibex]

@worldly token error?

[worldly token]

yes...

[frank moon]

same here, server error

[worldly token]

dont tell me this does not count

such a high lobby and I had a safe first

[languid sparrow]

**Carablu ** Keep up the good work, you are the player who is trying the harder have in mind patience & dicipline will pay

[open ibex]

Crazy enchanters, can't survive 15secs

[worldly token]

yeah, 3 enchanters and also 4 tempest so you dont cast.

[open ibex]

Ya ended and didn't count

[worldly token]

I am very sad.. I need the points

[frank moon]

it felt like you had godmode on

had to wait 45 seconds at one round cuz you wiped me so fast

[worldly token]

It did xD I didn't even had to position it felt like. Insane.

Only needed one more round for the win

[open ibex]

Same hahaha, boom

[worldly token]

so frustrated right now. dang it

[frank moon]

I think they should make a replay battle button for fights like that, I was just staring at my screen trying to figure out what happend

[tropic forge]

Tournament results public somewhere?

[worldly token]

again noone playing air at all and this time I cannot find sh*..
and went 6th place. Made -50 points today and the one good game did not count. fkd up

[haughty lintel]

There's a vod on the official youtube

[twilit storm]

Yeah I agree...happens with units and weapons and it s really a thing they should investigate more. We recognized months ago that somehow, even when a player get eliminated from the match, his illuvials (S2 or S3) does not revert to the correct amount of S1 before going into the pool. Apparently the ratio is a weird 1:1
The player get eliminated..but his S3 equals 1 S1 back into the pool not 9 as it should be.

[sinful hornet]

is the format changed? does this actually mean the player with highest avg or worded wrong and it's still just score?

[safe valve]

Would Love some feedback 🙂

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1368520945064738856

[twilit storm]

it s not worded wrong, we changed from total points to average points per game, number of games now is used to determine the Tie winner.

[sinful hornet]

but then it's just play 10 games and don't play after

[twilit storm]

minimum 10 games..if you will be tied with another player with the same APG and he played 11 games he win the tie.

[static crane]

7/8 ranked mainnet

[tropic forge]

So, it´s not a grind anymore. Anyone with a decent APG in 10 games will just stop playing...

?

i don´t think this is better boss, "Gauntlet Grinders"... u know, grind 🤣 . This new format will make some players just stay comfortable in their APG if it´s good, and if it´s bad there´s no real motivation to keep playing either after 10 games.

[sinful hornet]

tbh for the prizepool it's way better

[tropic forge]

meh... i wanted to have a reason for playing this week. It seems it´s just 15 games ranked again, and with the same bulwark patch...

[sinful hornet]

on this patch the less games u need to play the better

[viral marsh]

can we use different accounts for it?
or only 1 chance?

[sinful hornet]

i mean u can't really do it from illuviums side

unlikely to do anything to u for 10 games but chance is not 0

[viral marsh]

but 1 day rules not work anymore?

[sinful hornet]

we don't know, no one from up top has actually made it clear

highest authority nil said he doesn't recommend it

[viral marsh]

someone check it? coz i know at lest 2 players in top-100 with 2 accounts, who got rewards for both

[sinful hornet]

well that was definetly not intended

[viral marsh]

i hear storys, when Vyper got reward for 2-3 accounts in top-10 in past.

[sinful hornet]

ahhh i thought u meant now

[viral marsh]

yes, now i mean. just tell this for other example

[sinful hornet]

i really hate when companies do this shit cuz this is exactly what happens

[viral marsh]

they made rules to scare us. but noone check it i think

can i ask when and how we got fuel for yesterday and previous week events? @zenith mortar

[languid sparrow]

Is this result from the illuvium Gauntlet Tournament yesterday ?
Is there a link to the google sheet ?

[viral marsh]

no. it's from previous week.

[tropic forge]

Also did u guys received the ILV reward from Phantom Tournament last month? Or is there a fixed date for it?

[languid sparrow]

Ok so week 4 rewards ?

[viral marsh]

? i ask about fuel rewards for 2 event

[supple epoch]

7/8

[languid sparrow]

I just jumped in and saw the image was just wondering what it was about, I did not know what " you asking about fuel rewards for 2 event"

[viral marsh]

it was 2 event. 1st at previous friday>which have fuel rewards you can see on screen.
2nd was yesterday - tournament. as well with fuel rewards for 32 players.
got it now?

[languid sparrow]

Gratz btw

[bronze spire]

that game didnt give you rating? it lost me points haha

[twilit storm]

We suggest the players to use only one account, we can assure you if we find someone multiaccounting he/she will be not eligible for any final, on top of that we will perma ban whoever does it from all future Syndicate events. I am pretty sure Illuvium team has the tools to recognize "bad actors". We will ask their help if needed. Play fair and there will be no issues.

[bronze spire]

nah dont think those have gone out

[twilit storm]

need to be much more than decent coz there are only 8 spots for the final

[viral marsh]

ok, but "suggest" - wrong word then xD

[twilit storm]

cmon we try to be friendly..but we are not as you already know

[worldly token]

sadly not.. game was not over and then got a server error

[viral marsh]

you put suggest and ban in 1 sentence. it's why i say

suggest - mean we ask you not doing something, but you can. and perma ban mean - not allowed

[twilit storm]

We can only suggest, this is a free World for now

you can always try to play the system, if you fail you are out, so better be fair and play one account. Up to you fox

[viral marsh]

your curent system seems strange. coz as more you play - as less overage score you get.
and it's will work otherwise your ussual grinding events was.
coz as soon you stop after 10 games, as better your score will be.

[twilit storm]

not to you personally ofc

to you in general

[viral marsh]

i ask about rules, and i follow them. you say not allowed - ok.
just to made all clear before start

[twilit storm]

the benefit we see in this new system is that having only 10 matches is very easy..but we will have plenty of ties too

the tiebreaker is the number of games..so it will be interesting

[viral marsh]

at your previous event i play most of games around, i think. it was 60? or more. don't remember.
now i have to play just 10. i'm not upset, but feel different.
have to think about new strategy

[bronze spire]

I thi j you broke the game, that may have been the strongest board I’ve seen haha

[twilit storm]

we will snapshot every 24 hours so players will have a precise idea on how to proceed in the next 24 hours.

[worldly token]

yeah I was super excited once it got running 😄 felt like cheating

[digital lion]

hi guys, im confused with this drone augment, What does it mean to the closest ally?

is that the closest ally to the drone ?

[twilit storm]

very interesting point @digital lion

closest to WHAT?

[sinful hornet]

to the other unit bro

[twilit storm]

coz the statement: "Your units" means what precisely?

ok Hollow but your units means all of them

so?

[sinful hornet]

something like this

[twilit storm]

if it s all units..then all of them will be nearby at least to one

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[sinful hornet]

yes each unit buffs a unit

[tropic forge]

Yeah that aug description is confusing. If each unit buffs units so the best strat is corner?

idk

[sinful hornet]

and by the wording ranger should as well

it's insanely straight forward wording

there is no distance limit

wether it actually works properly or not i have 0 clue, same for about half of them

[viral marsh]

1 unit buff only 1. so - dothen mater you stay on corner or spread>you will got 8 bufs at lvl8.

[digital lion]

oh so the more units you have on the board the more powerful this drone augment is?

[sinful hornet]

ye like all of them

[digital lion]

alright sweet, thank you

[sinful hornet]

but geniunely why is math balance so poor in this game? for legendary augments we have a top end that gives 100 resists and deals 10k+ dmg per fight, and at the bottom we have like 300 dmg worth of value. for drone augments we have 450 minimum shield for whole team top end vs 50 dmg a fight per unit at bot end. Like how does stuff like this make it to live when it's just straight up math

[worldly jolt]

It reads like it could stack. Like if all the units are closest to the same unit.

[sinful hornet]

it should yea

[zenith mortar]

Will come this week

[zenith mortar]

Not yet

[sinful hornet]

there's only like 12 hours in this week

[zenith mortar]

What’s wrong

Oh yes I mean this coming week

Like Monday probably

[viral marsh]

can't wait more to send my drones in travel

[twilit storm]

wut?

like in an astral projection mystic geometry or what?

[sinful hornet]

as in someone being in the center getting buffed by everyone else

[twilit storm]

the only way it can be possible is a circle with points far from each other more than the distance between any point from the center

[worldly jolt]

Yah not actually possible.

[ebon flume]

Test Net casual

[zenith mortar]

KRUMWK

tesnet casual

@dark scaffold

[ebon aspen]

test nest Z784NY

[ashen mango]

Do you know how impactful AS, MS and AD are on the Tiktalik line now?

I'm also wondering if piercing makes you only ignore resistances or also mitigation and "Damage reduction" items

@wide aspen

[twilit storm]

@zenith mortar u were right..I got skill issue..can t compete in this bot lobby

wen I don t face the battleboard drone stuck for 3 rounds..or the 43 crates i can not pick up...i play better

[ember sail]

I and some other players have more than one account, if I play at least the minimum 15 games on one account to guarantee the weekly ilv rewards on both accounts, whether I want to participate in this grind or not, will I automatically be banned?

[sinful hornet]

u're supposed to be banned yes, but probably won't

[ember sail]

I remember that in an event similar to this one held by Hype, the use of two accounts was allowed, and the highest average was the one that counted in the end. I don't see why they changed the rules now. And also the fact that there are only 10 games, while the weekly rewards require at least 15 games.

[sinful hornet]

because back then it was allowed by illuvium

the highest authority we had speak about it said "he doesn't recommend it"

they changed the rules because of ladder rewards

[ember sail]

because in this sense, I would have to stop playing on one of the accounts to be able to participate in this event, and even if I didn't want to participate in the event I would be restricted.

[ember sail]

ok

but I still see people with multiple accounts when this was implemented zherphey has 2 accounts in the top 20 lol

[sinful hornet]

ye this is a symptom of companies being vague with rules it's just very dumb of them

actually no i'm wrong about this, they're very clear about exploiting rewards so he should be banned realistically

[ember sail]

So, I'm not the best to talk about this, because initially I also made 2 accounts to try to get better rewards, but after all it's also a person's merit to get more than 2000 points in 2 accounts, apart from the time it took to do so. In many other games this applies as well. The truth is that real abuse is using about 100 bots to increase your reward or use them in matches to benefit yourself, anyway, everyone has their own opinion.

Until then, you understand that it is allowed to use more than one account, when they explained that if you used more than one account the raffles would be divided by 2 or something like that, you can understand that it is allowed in a certain way.

[sinful hornet]

sure, but if me, slickz and foxpirit make 3 accounts and take the whole top 10 that's not gonna go too well

ideal case is they allow smurfing and are able to track them as well and only pay the highest placement account

2nd case is they make it extremely clear it's not allowed and perma ban everyone who does it to instill fear

[ember sail]

In other games like chess, a secondary account is allowed, even to test different strategies and teams without harming the ratche, of course abusing this is another story, what they could do was limit the rewards to just one account.

[sinful hornet]

ye that's ideal

[ember sail]

Yes, even if you wanted to create an account with a different name you could too, of course it is difficult to stay in the top 3 playing on 2 accounts while there are people focusing on just one.

[ember sail]

yeahh

[twilit storm]

We will consider only one account for the qualify lb, if you (for any reason) want to use more than one account and this action interfere with our ladder/tournament yes we will exclude your accounts from the qualify and blacklist you for any future Syndicate event.

[ember sail]

I understand, even if you don't want to participate in the event and not even be among the top 8, would that be credited?

It seems like a serious measure, they could just delete it and put the 9th place, for example. But ok, you make the rules.

[sinful hornet]

bro you are supposed to get banned already

from the game not from syndicate

[ember sail]

I lol I didn't even play the 15 games last week lol

[ember sail]

Now that I remember you don't have a secondary hollowphtm2 account you shouldn't be banned either?

[sinful hornet]

no because i haven't played on it since leaderboard rewards

[sacred ivy]

hi can someone help me please, how can i get level 2 or 3 in the area i can only get level ones so getting destoryed after half way through

[safe valve]

you need 3 of the same stage 1 illuvials, and they automatically merge into a stage 2 of the that illuvial line.
then you need 3 of the stage 2 illuvials and they automatically merge into a stage 3 of that illuvial line

[ashen mango]

6/8 ranked

[sacred ivy]

thanks for the help

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-gatsby-cheers-leonardo-di-caprio-great-gatsby-gif-17147450

[twilit storm]

The Gauntlet Grinders V is calling.
60 ILV at stake.
Qualifications start Monday May 5 00:00 UTC
96 hours dynamic leaderboard.
Just play Ranked Gauntlet, we will keep track of your score.
Daily snapshots show where you stand.
Top 8 will play the Final (Friday May 9 20:00 UTC)

Start in less than 2 hours

[fallen vortex]

Wen new patch

[viral marsh]

soon

[ebon aspen]

something is defiantly wrong entire game not a single templar weapon and only 1 guy had stage 2 templar weapon 🤔

[fallen vortex]

Its the fundamental game mechanics

The statistical odds of encountering the weapon you need 3 times is surprisingly unlikely

[ebon aspen]

first game ever where I could not roll a single one 🤣

[fallen vortex]

And I think their loot tables are broken. I find Tier 3/4 weapons at level 4 frequently

[fallen vortex]

I've had a million games like this

The weapon loot tables dont scale with levels properly I am certain

[gaunt hull]

So who is TRASHBIRD in the top 20. 70 games with 2k mmr HAHA

He for sure is not in the tournament too. And he played crazy games this week

[fallen vortex]

Thats an inside joke, its an alt of someone. My money is on SJUD

[twilit storm]

mine is on Vyper

[fallen vortex]

My second guess for sure

But yeah the game wont be good until the suits/weapons revamp unfortunately. They simply break the game too much. So much dependant on brutal RNG with them

[languid sparrow]

In fact here some metrics
• out of 258 players
• played 21 games
• rating 2 030 +156 rating this week avg points per game 7.4
• 85.7% win (top4)
• Rank 20w weekly

carablu is the player who is trying the hardest with 55 games followed by **Desk **with 50 games

The player who gain the most rating points this week **rising star ** is **wen2match **with **+356 points **only over 18 matches which give him a crazy **Avg points/match of 19.8 **

**illuviVault **will be crazy 😏

[fallen vortex]

Omg they gave u the api. They never give me apis

😦

[languid sparrow]

Jsut random stats

https://tenor.com/view/peace-ghost-gif-4978918

[fallen vortex]

Lol sure

Lol when I am out of council I might needa just leave 🤣 . Clearly they cbf giving me the cool shit. I am a nobody 😛

I must accept this

[twilit storm]

They added Affinity Chips to Drone Aug selection and the region selection is wild wen u can reroll those chips, this mitigates a bit the so needed weap bonding, but yeah...the game is not done w/out weapons rework.

[fallen vortex]

It made the game way more fun. But I agree its a bit too crazy. Once bonding returns they need to tone down the chips available.

That being said if you get 50% chance for a chip and can reroll each thing once. You essentially get a choice of 3 per event. So 9-10 over the course of the match

Then an additional 5-6 probably from augment crates

15/40 possible. Its a lot, but doesn't guarantee a synergy

[tropic forge]

Funny thing is you just find alt accounts with no profile picture playing like pro... This is what happens when u don´t reset leaderboard on time and top players tire of playing for the same reward every week... They always want more and abuse the ranking by multi acc... And you guys do nothing against that...

[languid sparrow]

Just curious, do you have any idea how to solve this issue ?

[tropic forge]

For real the only ones that can solve this is the team, and they set rules that are not being respected. Multiaccounting damages the game/rewards in a bad way.
I think what we can do is to forbid it real hard and ban anyone attempting to multi account once the leaderboard is reset, because right now it´s just a party of alt accs.

[languid sparrow]

Are you multiple accounting ?

[tropic forge]

i have 300+ games on my main acc. What do you think?

No, i will never do anything against the rules.

Leviathan release will ease this too, 2 game modes with rewards will be more time consuming / reward charming than just 1, and most top player have a Leviathan deck. What i´m really worried is : We set a "Season " and said that 4 weeks, and now we just carried over and overextended a broken patch... so,of course players are acting wrong ,but leaving thing as they are and allowing that just shows somehow lack of organization.

Game leaderboards need to be taken seriously if we want to grow, and rules need to be respected and punish those who don´t.

[languid sparrow]

I see all data by the way, I know what you did today

but no big deal I understand your point and yes it's kind of putting pressure on top of the leaderboard... I did not went deep into it

[tropic forge]

By what i did today you mean me? or generally speaking?

i´m pretty sure i don´t have more than 1 account, neither have done anything against the rules.

[languid sparrow]

Might be jsut a typpo

[tropic forge]

sorry i don´t understand? a typpo?

english is not my 1st language, sorry for that.

[tropic forge]

i got lost right here ?

[languid sparrow]

Don't bottom it's not my 1st language also

[tropic forge]

i understood u saw some "data", but i don´t have any other account neither have done anything that could put me in any doubt position ...

in fact i´m losing like 200+ points 🤣 , and have a lot of games .Not a good patch for me indeed.

[languid sparrow]

Just keep playing, I will keep coding & building tools for the community. You will understand once illuvivault is live. Peace

Your right, this isssue will need to be fix for sure somehow. For now I don't think illuvium priority #1 is this. But it's been noted on my side

[tropic forge]

Oh... perhaps u mean the message i wrote and deleted on this chat, arguing about multiaccounts, but then i realized i can´t keep taking this game´s issues personal and just play as it is. I have tried to improve some things and write em here but it seems worthless, so i´ll just play and stop trying to solve problems.

[noble hinge]

Or...

[fallen vortex]

Trueeeee

Definitely more likely

He did pop in to a stream I saw recently just randomly

[twilit storm]

hahahah

@noble hinge you nailed it

[low comet]

he kicked me out of top 20 with only 50% of my matches played hahahaha

[ebon aspen]

7/8

[void dust]

So, when do you think adaptive reflection will get balanced? It's getting super old.

[west musk]

4/8

[worldly token]

I think with the testnet update - even when there are no balance changes, the meta will not be the same. There are sooo many options through the new drone augments and regions. It will shake things up. Cannot wait until they put it on mainnet

[west plume]

Yeah, you can build some insane builds, and I really like the region buffs.feels refreshing everytime you play.

Hoping the testnet build get a pushed to main net this week

Its a completely different experience imo

[fallen vortex]

Yeah the region buffs are surprisingly fun. The one I had was an additional refresh which was neat

[hot pond]

Is the list of region buffs included in the gauntlet document?

[west plume]

They are in here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1_g_zQRvHB45MxPhCdUJ_bh9acK2A2hfYhJ79RslFsm0/htmlview?pli=1#

[west plume]

It really does add to replayabilty.

[uncut comet]

can we get some people for testnet together?

[hot pond]

Only if I get triple adaptive 😂😂

[uncut comet]

haha tbh other augments would been better with that comp

[hot pond]

If you went 5 BW after first adaptive it would have been the easiest win haha

But second place still shows that the augment is strong even with not optimal comp

[uncut comet]

yeah but cant look into the future ^^

[hot pond]

And grilla is OP ofc

I used power ascent on sear yesterday it was fun

[uncut comet]

the 25seconds thing?

[hot pond]

Yes

[uncut comet]

yeah interesting augment sometimes

[hot pond]

He 1v6 the opponent and scoriox was hitting with max speed on him doing no dmg 😅

[uncut comet]

well scoriox kinda useless anyway atm

[hot pond]

Did they do anything to it? I remember when I started playing ranked he was good

[uncut comet]

nothing noticed in official patch notes

[hot pond]

I guess it became bad indirectly because bulwarks are so dominant now

[sinful hornet]

it's also because there's only 3 good items on him and they're all legendary, normal op items are absolute trash

[low comet]

Yeahh specially against templar bulwarks

hard to play scoriox against Fern, Scarabok ranger with templar celestial scale. And grillas ofcourse

[hot pond]

Also octopus 🐙 shocking him to death 😂

[low comet]

Need to add some built in resistance on these range carries hahahaha

[cyan olive]

not me lol

don´t think it is smartass

he´d prob have told me

trashbird was an x-borg meme I think, I always thought stupid name

[twilit storm]

he s a good player for sure..so excluding you and SA..only one remaining on the list is SJUD but...dunno

[sinful hornet]

? this can be any mid player

[twilit storm]

you do not have access to detailed data ser

if you want to argue ok

but this is a good player

[sinful hornet]

2.40 0.90 is all the data i need

[twilit storm]

ok

https://tenor.com/view/okay-whatever-zac-sistas-do-what-you-want-i-don't-care-gif-618441481968946633

[cyan olive]

I think lowly of sjud, but he prob wouldn´t spned this much time for current rewards either

prob just random guy or 2nd acc of someone

[cyan olive]

what is the 0.9 one?

[sinful hornet]

top 4

[twilit storm]

@languid sparrow what do you think? this trashbird is ? you tool can tell us the truth aight?

[cyan olive]

if you wanna know, can´t you check imx wallet etc.

if it is fresh acc, nothing else can prob give up

[twilit storm]

not who he is..but IF he s an average player or a good one

[sinful hornet]

i've faced this guy months ago

also this season but as in it's not new

[languid sparrow]

.
Trashbird metrics:
89.7% win rate Top 4
Rating: 2 030
Match played: 78

[sinful hornet]

ye we could see that already

[twilit storm]

average player u say? oook

[languid sparrow]

True but i'm not leaking anyting yet

[sinful hornet]

didn't say average, i said mid

[languid sparrow]

Who care who he's lol... just play ....

[cyan olive]

does look mid compared to good players 😅

[bronze spire]

he also could barely break top 50 in 1v1

[cyan olive]

yeah he wasn´t good in 1v1, just played 10 games when 20 people in voice chat had access and cmaped

[hot pond]

Wasnt he the guy to brag on being the best in survival mode? 😄

[cyan olive]

and semi cheated tourney rules, then quit

[cyan olive]

I think that was smartass

he +-300mmr on daily basis

if we wanna do conspiricy thing could be martini as well, but think he left ILV being tilted by game/community/devs

he´d prob be a lot better than those stats though

[bronze spire]

i feel like ive seen trashbird around for a while, but my gess would be smurf

jonakinho is doing really well

3rd best average place

[twilit storm]

from low to high..the "mid" is average by definition...but as i said..nvm ser

[sinful hornet]

no cuz the average player's low

[frozen tartan]

@safe valve What do you think – what could the fact that the first set of Illuvials still isn’t completed lead to?
Couldn’t this turn Leviathan into a copy of Ranked?
The emission is growing endlessly. That’s a fact.
Players will eventually appear. Those are words.
Don’t you get the feeling that soon we’ll all be playing with 30/30 and level 60 Illuvials?

Increasing the cost of Overworld runs is great. It has slowed down the rate at which Illuvials are collected.
Increasing the cost of fusing Illuvials is great. It has reduced the appearance of perfect Illuvials.
But what we’re lacking is emission limits.

What do you think about this?

[low comet]

There’s no way trashbird is not a top 10 player 🤣

[void dust]

That was me. Feels bad man.

[worldly token]

what testnet can do: almost 10k hp Gnarl 😂

[viral marsh]

it's old screen from levi. what will be whith him now? 35k hp?

[languid sparrow]

According to the Augments on it ... I have not clue.. it's def/tank Augments

[spring basin]

Yeah I'm guessing smurf also because he doesn't play tournaments. Jonakinho is Hypetrain, a guy from the SURA community so he is legit.

[safe valve]

there's currently a total of 1733 Illuvials with max stats (excluding movement speed) minted.
I don't think we should be worried about that currently.
Because as you said, runs got expensive fusions aswell.
If you start today you either need a very very big wallet, or a very large amount of time to gather/buy a full collection of max stat illuvials.

Also the current playerbase is super low.
imo also the overall supply of illuvials is super low.
This results in (if Illuvium is one day successful and has a large playerbase) set1 illuvial supply being so rare that the illuvials you have now could be worth quite a bunch o f money one day.

[bronze spire]

yea and if new player or player returning would expect a littel struggle early ruining winrate. And yea know his legit cool to see newer names doing really well

[spring basin]

The stats aren't that crazy good, but it's also harder to maintain a good average in the current meta. It doesn't necessarily have to be a smurf, though but if I had to guess, it probably is. If that's the case, someone is cheating the reward system

[sinful hornet]

why would a smurf stop at rank 20

if smurfing was allowed i'd go for 4th

[viscid otter]

Wouldn’t a larger player base lower the rarity of good stat illuvials?

If more people are playing and only going after good stats, then there will be more high stat illuvials on the market as they will be more common

Supply/demand I guess..

[bronze spire]

Yea I’m only taking in what’s most probable too

[bronze spire]

If you could get 4th on a smurf why not get rank 1 on your main? Or you guys have an agreement going hah

[sinful hornet]

cuz if we play the same amount slickz is better

if we both just played minimum on mains and then smurfed 4th 5th we're both winning

[low comet]

But I think you would need more time getting 2 accounts to top 5 rather than getting your main to top 1

[sinful hornet]

no

[low comet]

especially with this queue times

1k seconds still no matches

[bronze spire]

I think he means all it would do is force slicks to play more and he wouldn’t get rank 1 anyway

So waste of time

[sinful hornet]

yea

[low comet]

I see hahhaha well who doesn't want to be top 1 anyways

[sinful hornet]

also slickz showed he's willing to not sleep for it, i'm not

[low comet]

Sometimes I myself tend to not sleep because FRK ZHyren Brew Lumot Teckson and I are fighting for top 20 hahahaha

[spring basin]

This is how it looked when we did compete for it

that's the 1st week

[sullen vessel]

A question with ranked arena how come you cant see the other players ranking score? The ranking shouldn't be hidden is this going to change?

[low comet]

top 10 is slowly changing bc players like Nefer are now grinding. And Trashbird will surely be top 10 next week hhahah

[bronze spire]

Haha was wondering that. I’m in a nice spot where going up a tier isn’t much more but very far from dropping tier so super chill

[low comet]

Yeahh how I wish I'm like at top 13 or so hahahha being top 16 and not playing for a day will surely hurt your standing in LB hahahha

[sinful hornet]

what do you mean you can't?

[low comet]

It's also a similar experience for steigen nefer and zhadkiel who are fighting for top 10 hahahah

[viral marsh]

he mean we load into game - and don't know about rank of other players

[bronze spire]

Yea I’ve noticed haha

[sinful hornet]

ah yeah that's true, i mean we could just copy tft's loading screen honestly

[viral marsh]

it was before>when 8/8 > you have 2-3 sec to see ranks

[low comet]

Well, most of top 10s rating are grinded on first week. It's kinda hard to chase those points hahahaha

[viral marsh]

i think que time today fast, coz of grinding event - no?

[spring basin]

Hollow averaged 18.5 games per day, even though he didn't play much on the last day. I didn't play that much at first because I was ranked 1, but then Hollow started grinding hard and took rank 1 for a couple of hours. So I said, Fuck it, okay I won't sleep, let's go and played for like 30 hours straight!
@sinful hornet do you know what your average was before the last day? Like 20–21 games?

[low comet]

Can you guys explain what is grinding event I haven't participate on it

[sinful hornet]

idk, i know average hours for 6 out of 7 days was 14 hours

[viral marsh]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[sinful hornet]

if not even 16 some days

[bronze spire]

It’s like it’s own leaderboard for the event period quants tracks. Top 8 qualify for tourney I think

[low comet]

But the point system is like what? How many ratings you get? Or like in Sit N Go last time

[sinful hornet]

it's best 8 average placments

[sullen vessel]

Does anyone else not see the other payers in the ranked lobby?

[sinful hornet]

nobody sees them

if u could see them before the game starts it would just be abusable

[spring basin]

You have to play 10 games minimum and the ppl with the highest average scores will move on to the final.

[low comet]

I see, this is nice have to take every game seriously 🤣

[sinful hornet]

also 10 games maximum

[twilit storm]

no

[sinful hornet]

well if u wanna qualify

[twilit storm]

is minimum not maximum

[viral marsh]

as more you play>as lower your average

[twilit storm]

at least 10 games

[low comet]

Then average?

[sinful hornet]

it's average of all games u played

[twilit storm]

average min 10 games

[sinful hornet]

need at least 10

if u play more than 10 ur average is likelier to go down than up

[twilit storm]

if tie..the player with more games wins the tie

[viral marsh]

just check at last day> you on tie or not.

[spring basin]

Is it, though? The more games you play, the more likely you are to reach your true average. So it depends on whether you get luckier or unluckier in your first 10 games. But overall, a small sample size tends to make the the average points to qualify higher due to variance

[sinful hornet]

i mean for the top spots a 2nd on game 11 probably lowers ur average

unless you already got a fucked average then i guess u can do 100 games

because it's not a true average placement

[spring basin]

Yeah the top spots will most likely have low amount of games due to variance. But there might be some one with a lot of games also.

[sinful hornet]

it's skewed to winning

u can have the same placement average with lower average points

so actually there's no way 100 games doesn't fuck u

[spring basin]

Wanna make a bet for fun to see if some one of the top 8 will have more than 11 games? 😏

[sinful hornet]

no, i don't think it's unlikely

i think it's just suboptimal

i don't know if an average of 4 makes it

[spring basin]

You can't effect it but I see what you mean.

[sinful hornet]

well it's basically expected average placement is about a 2, but if u do that with like 5 wins u're way ahead the guy with like 6 2nds

if u're the first guy u grief playing game 11

[spring basin]

We are also playing aginst eachother and the playersbase isn't that big so I think 4 + and you are fine.

[sinful hornet]

but it's small sample size

there will for sure be some guy luckstreaking

[spring basin]

Yeah I know but how many ppl can win that many games with sucha a small playersbase. We will take eachother out at some point

[sinful hornet]

and i don't think we've had a patch before where 1st place was more luck than this one

[spring basin]

Yeah this is most likely the lowest skill expression we ever had if you don't count like rouge meta with reevo back in the early days

[viral marsh]

depend of play time. Web-3 can play at night time> and win every game, when at day time you play against top-20 players every game

[spring basin]

Yeah this is ofc a really important factor also

[viral marsh]

or how Tekson win 5 games at event, and then not got high place at semi-final

or Whity>win 3 games, then meet me and got 2nd place in 2/3 games.

[spring basin]

Tournaments usually have stronger players than ranked games, which makes it much harder to maintain a good average. This was also a bo1 format where you had to aim for a top-2 finish in a meta where most people played the same comps, and certain items or augments were practically required to be albe to advance. So it came down more to who highrolled the most, and finishing 3rd or 8th didn’t really make a difference.

[sullen vessel]

Why cant I see the other ranks in the game like im 930 but i cant see what everyone else is?

[spring basin]

It's the same for everyone

[sullen vessel]

I get that but why just nice to know who I am up against weird that it doesnt show

Dota 2 queue up and see everyone mmr?

[spring basin]

Well, the game is still under development, so it will surely come with time.

[sullen vessel]

Ok I guess that would be super easy to display probable the fact that not mnay people are playing so 930 is put with 1500+

[spring basin]

There is no match making at all for the moment. The playerbase is to small for that

[frozen tartan]

Thanks for your perspective.

[low comet]

-25 for 5th hahahha

[spring basin]

Just wait until you get a little bit higher up 😏

[rancid raptor]

probably the crazyest comp i've had

[tawdry sinew]

lol, I was gonna say, never faced 4 magmas before

was about to look up what it gives you

[west musk]

7/8 ranked

[rancid raptor]

i got 2 imprints 😅 . I actually think its not working, i didnt see the floor expanding much faster but i might be wrong

[low comet]

what a name HAHAHAHAHA

[mighty tulip]

My Axodon was so toxic. I felt shame playing it 😅

[violet summit]

@haughty lintel you need to teach me how to get 4 stage 3 at round 14

[haughty lintel]

Play full streak and roll 100 gold and be uncontested and lucky

[rancid raptor]

again 2 magama imprints, something broken?

[zenith mortar]

testnet casual: M5UAHQ

[zenith mortar]

@haughty lintel

@west musk

@dusky gale

@frozen tartan

[frozen tartan]

My friend, I’m playing Overworld right now, sorry.
You won’t be kicking my ass today.

[haughty lintel]

I can play in 20 min

[zenith mortar]

@summer frigate

@safe valve

@sharp geyser

4/8 testnet

come get rekt

[mighty tulip]

M5UAHQ

[spring basin]

I wanna get rekt 👀

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/barron-trump-let-me-hear-it-show-off-trump-hand-to-ear-gif-12032203506919991642

[frozen tartan]

he rect your internet on last tournament?

https://tenor.com/view/gato-gato-comiendo-cable-meme-elmascapito-neko-gif-24915794

[west musk]

@zenith mortar I can play in abt 1/2 hour… careful though I been nerding out and practicing 🤓

[spring basin]

Do we wait until full lobby or what's the plan? I might take a fast shower then

[wild kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-i-know-pointing-dexter-gif-21348368

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-mike-myers-come-join-us-come-here-gif-4627161

[west musk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-clint-eastwood-man-with-no-name-howdy-hello-gif-11628498

[sharp geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-gif-10363360040967683870

[west musk]

okay anyone testnetting?

@zenith mortar

[zenith mortar]

FGVQ5M

testnet lobbyt

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-tom-hanks-run-running-on-my-way-gif-9305363

[zenith mortar]

1 spot

hurry

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-dance-happy-weekend-party-hard-lit-gif-21624452

[ashen mango]

Testnet: 4E9US5

Who is going to come the fastest? 😏

[ashen mango]

Hey Dr.spoon, come and train with us!

Try to get Titanor

You need to be able to show your insane new treasure

[safe valve]

I'm in the Lobby, ser

[ashen mango]

Oh I see you

[safe valve]

And i seeU 🙃

[ashen mango]

We can try a game just the 3 of us @spring basin @safe valve

Up to you

[safe valve]

mmmh i think i'll go do a farm run then.
bot lobbies are not tooo much fun

[ashen mango]

Sure have fun 🫡

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-gif-26388517

[safe valve]

i need to catch up at least a little to you, ser

[ashen mango]

May I see your collection ser? 👀

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-yoshi-mario-discord-gif-12444703281338986867

[frozen tartan]

🥄

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/ranger/dr.spoon

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-you-have-no-power-here-the-two-towers-king-theoden-gif-4882470

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/richtech-rich-shout-gif-12557127490672136212

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-dissapear-vanished-gif-13003152

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-flirt-eyebrow-winnie-the-pooh-gif-6130710

[zenith mortar]

Picking up the kid

[violet summit]

GG @tropic forge
never thought I could win after you hit all those stage 3 tier 4 and 5

[tropic forge]

I just fucked up at the end by selling my krunk for that Phosphorus. Anyway man, i can´t believe your team could beat mine ... like a lot of gold and it´s just worthless.

Any good aug in all the game.

[violet summit]

I did hit 4 mud, anything in stacks of 4 is very powerful

but yeah, I understand, tier 4 and 5 should be better than tier 1s

[tropic forge]

i know, but´s literally stages 1 vs end game Illuvials and felt like wiped all the time

not a chance.

[violet summit]

I just took down your phosphorus very quickly each round

maybe that could change the game

[tropic forge]

yeah i tought it will resist longer but it seems it´s just trashbird.

[violet summit]

or maybe put that AS speed augment on jotun

since he had behemoth

[tropic forge]

any good aug for it

[violet summit]

my focus was taking down adoredo and phosphorus 😄

[tropic forge]

GG anyway, i hate those monkeys jj.

[violet summit]

me too, they need a nerf asap

what the heck

[ebon flume]

Agree that Grilla is super annoying with 3 mud

[fallen vortex]

I still think its smartass.

[twilit storm]

What about unbanning him..it s the longest ban in illuvium history lol

[fallen vortex]

i mean we unbanned jag

[twilit storm]

GAUNTLET GRINDERS V DAY 1 SNAPSHOT

[rancid raptor]

1.66 out of 12 games is insane

top 8 qualify?

also why is fuzy not 1st?

[low comet]

Why did he got banned? And jag?

[rancid raptor]

i don't think i understand how this qualifyer works

[low comet]

Is sjud also banned?

[low comet]

Like Sit nGo but with negative points if below top 5

[turbid osprey]

1.66 is pretty bad

its 8 points 1st, 4 points 2nd, 2 points 3rd, 1 points 4th and negative for 5-8th place

but also the board is only filtered by games played not points

[rancid raptor]

though it meant he averaged 1.6th place so between 2st and 1st

[rancid raptor]

ohh got it now

thanks

[tropic forge]

now we have every top player with a secondary account in ranked. Nice ...

[zenith mortar]

Do we?

[tropic forge]

yeah, almost 20 new people. I've been playing for 6 hours now

and they all play almost like top...

coincidence? idont think so

[twilit storm]

@rancid raptor the snapshot is only to see who has already reached the threshold /10 games)

[low comet]

Don't you think they are new players? I played last night and 5 new people in my lobby I wrecked them all.

[twilit storm]

only the final snapshot will define the finalists. If there will be ties, the player with the most games will be the tiebreaker.

[tropic forge]

yeah, sure... new players... 🤣

New players getting 1st and 2nd over all good players in a lobby .

[zenith mortar]

abcdef

this the player?

[low comet]

I think mix of both hahhaha some really play like noobies some are building new teams and working hahahaha

[twilit storm]

@tropic forge the snapshot does not show any "Top player" using secondary account..and if so..they re performing pretty bad lol

[tropic forge]

this is one of em, but i've seen like 10 different people today trashplaying or just playing too good.

[zenith mortar]

3rd, 6th, 4th, 4th

not that crazy i guess

[tropic forge]

Im not saying it's for the tournamet, i mean, they are playing just to avoid their game count in tournament

[low comet]

Agreed, only Doom guy is new to me

[twilit storm]

I got it but if those players are playing secondary accounts for any reason..they are sucking badly

Doom is a legit player

[tropic forge]

nah, just dont mind me.Anyway i'm not competing for the tournament, but feels odd seeing people with no profile picture playing too well.

yeah doom is legit

[low comet]

then all those 20 are legit players hahahaha

[twilit storm]

indeed

there is no "me competing for the tournament"

We just keep track of the ranked matches

[low comet]

my friend @gaunt hull never had profile picture but got higher ranking than me HAHAHAHAHA

[twilit storm]

If you perform bad you will never compete for the tournament even if you want to eh

[zenith mortar]

and pfps are like less than a penny to buy right?

seems like a bad way to judge that

And i'm not saying youre completely wrong, but this discussion has come up before and it will eventually lead to well how do we fix it... KYC is the only close to 100% way I think

[languid sparrow]

Ip adresse

[twilit storm]

MAC address

[languid sparrow]

Both lol

[zenith mortar]

what if its a family

[low comet]

KYC for sure but 50% would not want it

[zenith mortar]

more than 50% dont want it i think haha

thats what im saying

this has come up many times

[twilit storm]

we can track where the prize go also..the beauty of the blockchain

[zenith mortar]

still could be family

without kyc

family friends, group of individuals etc

[twilit storm]

KFC too

[tropic forge]

Nah, let just people do as they want... i'm just saying, it's a perfect opportunity to ruin people 's score with a 1200 score account, don't get points for the tournament and just chill and play.
This abcdef is not a new player, i can assure u that. Beated my ass and Steigen's right now.

[zenith mortar]

I agree it sucks that people choose to exploit the systems, but unfortunately you options to fight it are limted, this why we've tried other things to encourage people to use one account

[tropic forge]

Are there news about new patch?

[zenith mortar]

Very soon

[tropic forge]

Leaderboard's gonna reset with the patch right?

that would end this multiaccount madness , at least for another month

[zenith mortar]

wont reset in the middle of the rewards week but its been discussed to happen with this patch yes

[tropic forge]

We can sync the patch with the end of a reward cycle and Tadan!

2 birds, 1 shot

[zenith mortar]

id rather the patch sooner thoughn lol

tired of the old build

[tropic forge]

Believe me , u aren't more tired than I. I'm about to get crazy , fact is i love the game, but i hate the meta, so it's just a war in my head right now between playing and hating the game jjj

[tropic forge]

soooo, sooner than thursdayyy!!??

leak it Rich!!

🤣

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[low comet]

I have 1 less competitor for top 20 hahahaha but trashbird replaced you

[tropic forge]

The BirdGod is unstoppable. Nah, i replaced myself by going against the meta.

[zenith mortar]

I will say I think I remember some people thinking FRK was an alt because he was so good initially too lol

[tropic forge]

that 's a burden i have to karry

[low comet]

You went from 2100 to 1800 elo wth hahahaha

[tropic forge]

Bro, i literally started playing arena this month

i mean, with the rewards

look at my game first week

[zenith mortar]

I didnt say I accused you lol

[tropic forge]

like 100 games lost, i learned the hard way!! jaja

[zenith mortar]

i said some people may have

ahaha

[tropic forge]

i played overworld since preseason 1, but Arena , never cared. And when rewards came i got beated like 100games + first week to learn.

[zenith mortar]

guys I'll just admit it... whenever you see a new player you dont know beating you .... its me

every time

my alts alts alt

[tropic forge]

That's why my winrate sucks . (that may be the reason i want a leaderboard reset tooo 🤣 )

[low comet]

Confirmed Rich is trashbird

Trashbird is my only gatekeeper because he plays behemoth hahaha

[zenith mortar]

Confirmed

[tropic forge]

Good news we're getting new patch then, i'll be taking a rest. I'm literally playing for tickets, 0 motivation. Trashbird hit me hard

[zenith mortar]

ever notice how trashbird and sl1ckz and me are never in same lobbyt

yeah

they all me

[fallen vortex]

Jag initially got banned for using alts and stuff idk. But it was a bit harsh.

Smart Ass I can't even remember tbh, actually I think Smart Ass left, i don't think he got banned.

[mental stone]

@zenith mortar when is the current version of testnet arena coming to mainnet?

[languid sparrow]

Frk, hold on you will get back on track. !! I can see your chart history and HOLD STRONG.
Since Avpril 22, 03:07 UTC your trend is slowly going down. Hold that 1800 and you will set a good support for your progression.

[fallen vortex]

There's a chance, within 24 hours

if it drops within the next 6 hours I'd be so happy

[zenith mortar]

Very soon

[tropic forge]

Yeah, i'm just demotivated for this meta, i deeply refuse to play that bulwark broken trash or the killer grilla. I almost never having a 1st place win just because of that. Ty for the motivation, i'll just wait for the new patch. This is good news indeed.

[low comet]

Jag you mean jaganite? yah i think smartass just left

[hollow orbit]

Well... trashbird is my practice account.

I've already told the support center(zendesk) that trashbird doesn't need rewards.

I named it trashbird because I remembered meme I saw on the xborg channel before. I'm writing this because other players' names are being mentioned and the chat is a bit chaotic.

The reason I chose to remain anonymous is because I just wanted to play casually. I have a weak mentality...

I'm not looking for more rewards. As Rating increased, I couldn't easily try out the economic progression and builds I wanted to try, so I tried them on a different account. (Because points drop significantly if 5th or lower)

I didn't mean any harm, but maybe it wasn't a good thing to do.

I'm sorry

[noble hinge]

3/8 main net.
Anyone around for a game or should I flip over to OW?

[west musk]

6/8 just 2 more

https://tenor.com/view/fudders-gif-15968914204416356178

i been experimenting tonight... bad idea to experiment XD

[jolly whale]

Plz.... we need a new meta

[fallen vortex]

if it comes within 4 hours i'd be so happy. Cause I am at gfs today

and got steam deck

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/barron-trump-let-me-hear-it-show-off-trump-hand-to-ear-gif-12032203506919991642

[fallen vortex]

Wen Wen Wen

Just read all the region effects, they r so good, except shardbluff which is meh

Shardbluff should give 2 legendary crates!

[tropic forge]

YES!! Please fix GODGRILLA too ☠️

[olive hedge]

Killa Gorilla

[tropic forge]

https://tenor.com/view/wen-creepz-wenfinity-wenwenwen-creepz-wen-gif-25738654

[west musk]

4/8 rankored

[zenith mortar]

tester netter?

i cant play until this patch comes out

i'm on strike

[west musk]

got enought ppl? 👀

[hot pond]

If we see a grilla line here too its gonna be perfect

[west musk]

don't hurt the monkeys

[hot pond]

Grilla is so OP that I basically have to hoard some of those units in every match so someone cant get the S3 version or at least has a harder time doing it. Dont need to do this with any other unit

[west musk]

yah i like grilla... such a disrupting friend

I hate how squishy tibis are

[worldly token]

I dont see grilla being that bad to be honest 😅
At least in the current bulwark patch you almost always have some defensive augments. I usually slap them on my damage dealer when playing a grilla and he will be fine.
Dont get me wrong - he is very strong, but not gamebreaking broken imo. I had enough wins against grilla

[fallen vortex]

Grilla is a byproduct of Augments I think. They are less savage across the board so it may be better

[fallen vortex]

sameeee

[bronze spire]

agreed

[fallen vortex]

To be fair tho, if one illuvial is forcing you to put an augment on your damage dealer, that might be a problem.

I agree that the game should be reactive, but then maybe the other rogues are simply super weak, if its only grilla forcing some counterplay

[gaunt hull]

I tried this before got 2 unit stage 2 grilla. And guess what. Other dude still managed to stage 3 his grilla

[hot pond]

Sometimes its pretty crazy yea

[gaunt hull]

I even hoard chooco sometimes too

Still people get it to stage 3 haha even i have 2 unit stage 2

[hot pond]

Thats why i dont like going for those T1 S3 builds. I am so unlucky with those rolls. very risky and you can end up bottom 4

[gaunt hull]

And me finding some pho when no one contest it cant seem to find one sometimes

Am I in anyones match? numbers like 1/8 does not show on me then game crashed.

[cyan olive]

Smart ass got banned and ignored by support when asked why, as I am told.
Or rather he left, then got banned.
Allegedly.

[worldly token]

I don't see at as that big of a problem, because you only put it on the damage dealer temporary.

[fallen vortex]

I am pretty sure he got banned, reinstated. Then eventually decided to leave on his own.

[fallen vortex]

If a single Illuvial out of 100+ is forcing a certain behaviour, then its valuable on any and all teams. By definition that kind of makes it 'OP'.

Only relevant if its the only one. If rogues as a collective force behaviour, or most illuvials force behaviour in some way its a bit different

[hot pond]

I feel like its just crazy that a 1 cost unit forces so many things

[fallen vortex]

Things like Blazenite force repositioning, but thats less than an entire augment choice

[sinful hornet]

did support give ok i want a practice account too

[dark scaffold]

he was not ignored by support, please do not spread such information

[hollow orbit]

I submited them a few days ago but haven't received a response yet.

During the Ascendant Arena era, I think multiple accounts were allowed as long as we gave them names that made it clear they were sub-accounts. I think rewards were given to the highest-ranked account among those accounts.

At the time, I was in whity 1-7, and I think there were several other users like me.

Sorry if I misunderstood

[native mauve]

The rules were clear that no sub accounts were allowed, you autists know every single augments but can't read rules properly? Give me a break. There's probably at least 5 sub accounts from the top 20 blatant disregard for other players, devs and the rules

But but but I need a practise account...give me a break

[worn tree]

This goes against the DAO's TOS. It is not allowed

[hot pond]

welcome back @worn tree

[worn tree]

Thank you @hot pond, glad to be back!

[hot pond]

I hope the team actually can track sub accounts. It would be very bad if people can abuse the system and get multiple rewards and take away spots from legit players

[hollow orbit]

During the Ascendant Arena era, it was apparently okay to have a second account, but is a second account now prohibited?

In my case on guantlet, my name wasn't identifiable, so I think it would have been a problem either way.

[native mauve]

It's not ascendant era why are giving rules from 1 year ago?

[dark scaffold]

I wasnt going to comment your case publicly, but, no you havent reached out "few days ago", you reached out around ~24 hours ago, an hour later after community started to investigate your alt accounts (plural) in open chats, you saw it, you created a ticket

Can we for a second forget about the "rules" what exact wording there is and how to go around them and think about ppl you play against and with? You really want to wake up every morning knowing you screwing other ppl? You take theirs spots on the LB, you take their rewards, is it really worth it?

[hollow orbit]

I just couldn't find any rules for multiple accounts like this for Gauntlet. Sorry.I understood the ban.

[hollow orbit]

I think I also contacted them to let them know that I had already received the rewards and would not be using them, or that I would be returning them.

I had no intention of increasing my rewards, I just wanted an account to practice on.

Either way, I will not be using another account in the future, and I don't mind banning my main account if there are any problems.

Sorry for the trouble.

[native mauve]

At least @hollow orbit admitted it....for sure at least a few more sitting silent hoping no one notices

[sinful hornet]

Nil you got time to play the game now?

[sinful hornet]

i don't see grilla

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/see-birdbox-look-at-a-it-stare-at-it-gif-17471888

[low comet]

No nerfs on celestial scale?

[violet summit]

when is the balance patch coming out @zenith mortar ?

[sinful hornet]

rich can u pin nil's message about the dao tos for easy links

[west plume]

Rich is probably in-game losing horribly,I got you

[sinful hornet]

no the queues are too long for that

[violet summit]

any testnet lobby?

[cyan olive]

I said allegedly, it is what he told me.

[sinful hornet]

To be clear it's just playing on multiple accounts that's not allowed right? If you have 2 accounts to send shitters for leviathan to one that's totally fine yea?

[gaunt hull]

Nc game @sinful hornet

[hot pond]

Is it needed?

[gaunt hull]

Made me drink water afterwards

[sinful hornet]

sorry that happened

[gaunt hull]

Should ended faster if you didnt stuck jotun haha was it intentional? Haha

[dark scaffold]

and based on your previous interactions with me, you think his words was legit enough to post it? dunno, just hurted personally a little bit 😅

[sinful hornet]

i didn't know you can stuck one unit with just 1 unit

[cyan olive]

you weren´t the only support back then as far as I am aware

I wouldn´t misstrust you

[stiff helm]

https://illuvium.io/terms-and-conditions

[cyan olive]

when this question came up related to TOS in my last imc term, tldr. if you do it do make money from the system no, if you don´t do it for money fine (idk if this changed, but I´d still read TOS that way)

[gaunt hull]

So will trashbirds rank in leaderboard be skipped? Example im
Rank 21 he is rank 20 at the snapshot, will I be rank 20?

[frozen tartan]

What was your nickname on the second account?

[sinful hornet]

but this is outdated, point a) is against it now

[cyan olive]

c) basically gives them the right to say w.e. they think isn´t like they want sytem to be used

[frozen tartan]

@dark scaffold Let's consider a case where one player takes the TOP 32 in Leviathan, then transfers all their Illuvials to another account and also makes it into the TOP 32.

I hope this will result in the removal of rewards, right?

@stiff helm I came up with an interesting scheme for dishonest players.

During low-activity times, you can ask your friends (real players) to play in Leviathan without decks.

You could climb the rankings by 1-3 spots.

If players claim you’re abusing the system, you can argue that they are absolutely real players. Even without a deck, they have the right to play whenever they want.

I feel like we’re going to face a wave of dishonest players.

It’s interesting to see what kind of sanctions will be applied to them. And how their dishonesty will be recognized.

I don’t think all people are burdened by authority, moral norms, and such.

Some will do anything for tokens.

It would be great if we could review our game recordings, like in Dota 2.

Recording every player’s actions on video during the game is distracting.

[cyan olive]

If people wanna cheat in an online leaderboard they will be able to do it.

That´s why leaderboards usually only qualify for tournaments in web2 major games.

[twilit storm]

during Ascendant some players used multiple account for different reasons. One example is @bronze spire who was trying different teams for his YT channel , he used multiple accounts coz the team slots were limited. Once we recognized the issue with rewards...he did a very honorable thing: he begin to lose intentionally with his second/third accounts to avoid any interference with the legit players who were battling for rewards.

[cyan olive]

w8, he was wintrading other players?
that would be matchfixing and against rules

not saying he did, you prob choose words poorly I guess

[twilit storm]

you choose word poorly i guess Vyper

[gloomy mural]

https://tenor.com/view/toss-coin-flip-gif-26540304

ban

[bronze spire]

it kind of was lol but was insignifcant at the time, only needed to lose a few games

[cyan olive]

you said he lost intentionally, that is 100% against rules

[regal hound]

this tbh

[twilit storm]

Choose your word poorly...

the teacher

[bronze spire]

the thing was and is now, that smurfs take a place in the leaderboard, eg they dont bump the next person up. This wouldnt be as much of an issue if the leaderboard got rid of smurfs and re-positioned every before rewards

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[cyan olive]

yeah, but you see how this is very exploitable logic 😅

just let your friends know when you do your games to disappear from leaderboad 😅

[twilit storm]

Viper do not choose your words poorly pls

[cyan olive]

bro, you arguably outed someone for cheating above

[bronze spire]

yea true, but i think there are some random people that could vouch they got the wins haha

[cyan olive]

not like it matters now or anything will happen

[twilit storm]

I said what happened

so what?

[bronze spire]

they also sprung the rules of the leaderoboard on us. One week smurfs didnt matter for leaderboard, the next it was taking other positions

[twilit storm]

true

[cyan olive]

unfortunate we live in crypto world, where we need rewards on leaderboard or people won´t play

maybe game just not fun enough to paly without rewards either

[twilit storm]

we played for years with zero rewards

[regal hound]

If the tournaments are juicy enough, do they need to be on a leaderboard?

[twilit storm]

good point Perry

[cyan olive]

from my exp, even juicy tournaments have the problem, that very few think they can do well in them
asking them to play game before and sink time into it, might increase participation/expectations to win

it is tough to think offer money= get players, as tournament or current leaderboards is still mostly top end taking most

maybe being top X= quealify and have these last chance ladder rush things and then give a special beyond avatar or give perfect stats Illuvial as baseline for participating could help

[regal hound]

There's other incentive mechanisms where people can be rewarded to sink time into it. We currently have raffle and battle pass is upcoming

[cyan olive]

if bottom end gets low/no prices, I don´t see big events filling up

[cyan olive]

yeah I think those are better than the top end rewards

the qualify for tourney point is mostly about making matchfixing/multi acc less of a thing anyways, not like it is a big thing atm I understand, but those are very easy things to do if one wants to and there is no chance to 100% prove it, unless people are very stupid

[cyan olive]

idk, there was this we make bigger tourney than TI point that kept being brought up in early days
and later there was always talk of ladder rewards and special tournaments etc.

good amount surely had those in mind when playing

I e.g. thought I was late to TFT in 2022, so this looked more interesting as it was new game.
Same to some of my friends who make a living competing in games/streaming and told me about ILV.

[spring basin]

@cyan olive I'm curious about your take on why a TFT player would come and play Illuvium if they don't believe they can earn meaningful rewards from it. Also, if rewarding top players doesn't work, why do all major esports continue to do it? And if players can't earn substantial rewards, why would anyone be willing to pay a high price to buy Illuvials?

[cyan olive]

I think a good tldr. of difference in web2 esport and tourney stuff and web3 is that web3 mostly thinks in ROI and usually more towards the pessimistic side, as many do this for a living in low icnome countries. web2 people were playing for glory, hobby at first, not for make min money.

[cyan olive]

You won´t like this take, but I think if you are very good at TFT, TFT and streaming TFT look better to me than Illuvium.
Depends on the rewards ILV can give obv, but there is always risk of how long will this be, and can it ever scale with things like stream.

Major esports had reduced money they put into it severly over the last years, covid kinda popped that bubble to some extent, some games increase the amounts again, as they see positive returns, but sponsor interest, which was main income for most is still lower than 2019 to my knowledge e.g.

The can make money playing video games thing is cool, but people don´t start the game because of it, they play and watch and maybe get better and think ok, maybe I can do this as well, they watch content, keep playing the games, they don´t play for make money, they still play for improving/entertainment.
Same as people play hobby level sports, they could get better and win stuff, but they enjoy the process, people don´t commit to pro-sports cause money usually, but they enjoy it and are willing to put the efforts in because they don´t hate what they do, otherwise won´t work anyways.

I think your target for Gauntlet atm is mostly p2e web3 crowd.

Then make a good game with beginning playerbase and go from there.

On that buy illuvials for high prices take, I don´t think leviathan model atm will achieve growth or revenue positive.
I hope I am wrong, but my take.

I mentioned at some point if it e.g. fails to get good metrics, should prob try something like sell a pass to unlock perfect collection for a month or w.e. and see if pay 2 play works better than pay 2 win, if not again, gotta figure out something else.

Illuvium lowkey missed the timing to get TFT guys, as the game has been getting better and esport has been getting better recent years as well.

Another way of putting it, is that esports is some marketing but mostly retention, it isn´t you get entire playerbase that wants to be the big guy winning money, they know that is unrealistic.

So you need to achieve growth as well and I don´t think esports in that sense helps a lot there.

E-sports in games like League of legends is also kinda dying as an example, so not like this is doing well for every major game atm and growing their users.
Without co-streams etc. their numbers would look devastatingly bad.

[bronze spire]

TSG made a good point and I think its probably true, that low-mid level TFT streamers still make fuk all as a content creator (basically nothing even with some times 100-500 concurrent viewers) and from his conversations a lot of the reaction to what people are already earning/winning here is super positive/surprised. If the rewards can help pull in some of these people i think its pretty big

He also said (hope im not miss quoting) that some were already keen but he said no wait we are still a few updates away from bothering

@spring basin how did you get here? Interesting to hear what braught you here or how you even found out about illuvium, since you are fairly new

[twilit storm]

TFT is a a little pony compared to other games in the E-Sport panorama, there is ton of money to grab in E-sports tho.

[cyan olive]

Yeah that’s the bull case.
If you will get them in the end, get some of their viewers, if they stick around are questions.
Also will they make current players quit as competition becomes far harder?

I am not arguing for don’t do esports/tournaments obv, just it won’t give the growth some think it will.

[spring basin]

I do agree that if you're among the best and have a good personality for streaming, TFT is probably the better option due to its larger audience. But the standard in TFT is also much higher, so it depends on whether you're looking at the level of skill required to earn money or not.

Sure, the esports scene overall did overinvest, and the bubble eventually burst. But that's how most things work. Markets go up and down in waves. Still, some games like TFT have continued to grow and have even increased their prize pools over time.

I agree that most people don't start playing a game for money, but a big reason they do get into it is because they watch others and admire them. It's the same across every field, whether it's actors, sports personalities, or artists. If the recognition and prestige at the top disappear, the rest of the peaople won’t feel as inspired to follow in their footsteps or do the same thing.

We also shouldn't forget that most people believe they're special. That's why things like lotteries work. It's the same with competitions. If 10 people can win, you can be sure 100 will believe they have a real shot. That drive to prove themselves is what keeps people competing and also why pretty much every competeive game has a rankinging system.

[cyan olive]

Those numbers kinda „fake“/low as they don’t include contracts to be fair, league players at top end made mid 7figures on salary per year.

[twilit storm]

yeah i agree

[bronze spire]

yea thats where it being good game will show or not i guess

[twilit storm]

it s the low end spectrum of the real money

[cyan olive]

To that last point, I think in web3 verifiably it is rather the opposite, fewer think they can win than how many could.
People are „pessimistic“ and value time-money, so risk of time for nothing is far higher here.

I mostly think the idea of this current gauntlet onboards the normie tft viewer isn’t looking great.
The guy who can make money sure.

Also the existence of eg slicks makes it lot less attractive, because you compete vs good player, who also sinks infinite hours.

[bronze spire]

so we should ban slicks lol

[cyan olive]

If you get more slickz, becomes less and less attractive for others

[zenith mortar]

dont ban my alt

[cyan olive]

Obv no, but kinda how it is

[cyan olive]

Ban your main?

[hot pond]

You mean trashbird? 😄

[stiff helm]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-futurama-scruffy-gif-20750885

[west plume]

Funny story, I beta Tested Counterstrike with Gooseman and Cliffe when it was a mod for halflife

[zenith mortar]

Fine youll see when M0zart tops Sl1ckz

[spring basin]

There are similar concepts out there that are working, so in my opinion, it will come down to execution. Take poker as an example, people pay money to compete against others for money. The difference isn't that big. It’s all about high-stakes competition.

Also, don't forget about the collecting aspect. Even though I think it will play a smaller role in Illuvium because the prestige isn’t there yet, it could still grow. Gacha games are a good example of people spending thousands of dollars just to own something others want.

[twilit storm]

Sl1cks does not sinks infinite hours..not a chance

he s just too good

[zenith mortar]

yes i am

thank you

https://giphy.com/gifs/jt8IxrzRKdDVW1OAso

[cyan olive]

I think poker is a very bad comparison, you play very different skill levels depending on stakes you play.
You can’t replicate that well here.

Also insanely high playbase

[tropic forge]

He's soo good he had to make an alt account called Mozart to pretend he 's not 🤣

[zenith mortar]

dont worry

trash talk now

pay later

[bronze spire]

I think we are a very long way off pros or compeptive content creators thinking there is too much competition here though

[zenith mortar]

layaway plan

[twilit storm]

or is it Sl1ckz the alt account of Mozart..uh

[cyan olive]

From what I did hear after that first week thing he is willing to, same as others, which makes the web3 pe2 pov more difficult as they would need more hours and skill

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-kid-why-me-oh-really-oh-my-gif-17842828

i feel attacked being called not a pro

[cyan olive]

Depends on they money etc.
Games like gwent basically had 1 guy winning it all and money was so low wasn’t worth for anyone else to try.

[bronze spire]

even counting you its still limited 😂

[west plume]

You are as much as a pro as Iam Rich.

[zenith mortar]

So giga pro

[bronze spire]

yea true

[cyan olive]

I am shit example, I am not willing to play 10h/day nowadays

Most in similar setting to me aren’t either

[bronze spire]

but you logged in for the weekend tourney I guess

[spring basin]

Yeah, I do agree that co-streamers and personalities are really important. We can take Faker as an example. I wonder how big an impact he had on the LoL scene. I think it’s bigger than most people can understand. But once again, we’re back to the idea that people need others they can like, admire, and look up to because that makes the game more emotionally rewarding for them. Caedrel and his Los Ratones team in LoL is a good example of that. He just joined the Red Bull team, which shows there is still a way to achive growth it's just that the landscape is evolving. You need to do different things than before, but the core principles stay the same.

[cyan olive]

yeah tourney is better than ladder for people like me

[bronze spire]

yea

[cyan olive]

way better

[west plume]

Yes ser🫡

[low comet]

is afk in gauntlet mode count as wintrading? @cyan olive I need some deduction on Trashbirds account hahahaha

[cyan olive]

Caedrel is basically the reason lol has viewers on esports nowadays 😅

[cyan olive]

idk ask current council/labs

you kinda have to draw a line, like 1 afk ok person got dc w.e., 5 times maybe

[bronze spire]

he will get decay if he doesnt play

not sure when that will kick in though

[twilit storm]

depends on elo

+1800 decay is way more aggressive than lower elo

[bronze spire]

i think over 1800 is when it kicks in to max decay rules

[cyan olive]

taking me as example, I won´t play 100 games ladder to catch up to top 20 or better, that´s too much effort

[low comet]

I might just try to grind 30 more mmr til thursday hahahahha hard when you only get +12 in 1st and -25 for getting 5th place

[twilit storm]

but still not enuff with this "banked games" rule

[cyan olive]

unless game would be fun to play for entertainment only

[low comet]

Yahh that's why theres no point in making smurf account for rewards now. 100 Games and youre still at 1ILV per week

[twilit storm]

@low comet funny to see that high elo players always get +13 even if they are facing sub 1100 lobbies.

[tropic forge]

That's when resetting leaderboards comes into place... dunno why we extended to 1 more week...
People thinking they can get a better stop is part of the motivation... at the end, perhaps is just top 20 same names again, but it's needed.

[twilit storm]

like slapping children and still get rewarded

[tropic forge]

Well, be careful , i got from 2000 to 1800 with that mentality 🤣

[low comet]

Do you think +13 is low in that kind of lobby? Sometimes I get +10 as second place when im facing top 10 players

[cyan olive]

yeah, but still playing like devils advocate, idk what rewards are atm, but 15 games prob gives you 1 ILV?
MC-D pays 10-15x

[twilit storm]

+13 is the cap for high elo

[tropic forge]

those alt accounts with 1200 MMR were like many Kage Bunshin Slickz kicking my score. every 5th was like -34.

[low comet]

Bro you know me. I only play templars. Never experiment. I dont want to waste my time hahahaha

[cyan olive]

so still more about game is fun and rewards are on top/gamefied goal

not main reason

like a side quest

[gaunt hull]

Whats the minus you got on 8th earlier @uncut comet. 4 people were doing earth on our lobby haha

[tropic forge]

Yeah, don't fall into the dark side of fun. There are fools like me that experiment with their main accs and then there are smart people that create secondary accounts,get double rewards and help top get a 5th - 6th place from time to time...

[twilit storm]

yeah..elo point calc logic is screwed imho, was sharing my thoughts with @languid sparrow yesterday and he agree that something is not workin properly

[ashen mango]

This is not possible with a high playerbase and as far as I understand they will wait until the playerbase is bigger to avoid this

But maybe the playerbase won't be big enough

[blazing fractal]

Problem solved every new season should start at zero point. Thats it, not 1200. simple and basic.

[low comet]

imho -30 for 8th place should be the maximum for any elo

[cyan olive]

100% you can do that with any amout of playerbase, as top end queing into each other is easy, only needs more effort then

[twilit storm]

@blazing fractal problem solved..let get back the 10 games to define player elo starting point

[cyan olive]

Doesn´t matter if it is 100mil or 1000 players, if skill based matchmaking is in place, sniping each other at top end is easy

[native mauve]

Leaderboards are fun. I couldn't care less about 1ilv as a basic player. As a competitive person I just like multilayer and want to get as good as I can. But that 1 ilv is still a carrot just to try to make it to top 60 as an incentive. Some reason I used to play pro evo with 0 rewards and spent money on nothing just to have a good team. Much better to spend money on illuvials I can keep and trade. We have both leaderbosrds and tourneys and obviously tourneys will have the bigger prize pool coming

[low comet]

if these ridiculous deduction in points for placing 5th place when you're high elo gets fixed. I think top 10 players will not think of creating smurfs unless for practicing.

[twilit storm]

MMR can t work until we have a big enuff playerbase to let the system work as intended tho

[languid sparrow]

Yeah, the ELO formula isn't fully adapted to reflect the real dynamics. It will require some advanced math to improve it. I've already built a prototype system, but I still need to test it with real data to see how it performs in practice. That part will have to wait a little, though, as I'm currently focusing on developing IlluviVault. Still, rest assured—this limitation has been noted in the current system and will be addressed in due time.

[cyan olive]

few days ago we discussed that a bit here already

[uncut comet]

-155

[gaunt hull]

[languid sparrow]

Who got that number ? The higher I saw so far was +50 or -50

[bronze spire]

no way? surely not for 1 game. Was a high rated lobby too (compared to most)

[spring basin]

I've been in the crypto space for four years, grinding through different games to earn some extra money here and there. But I never felt like I found a game I really wanted to commit to long-term. It was more about extracting value, to be honest, while still having fun. Then I found Illuvium because of the season rewards they were offering. I played the game and thought it was somewhat fun. But when I heard about the plans for Gauntlet Arena, I felt it was the kind of game I’ve always enjoyed. With my previous experience as a pro in Dota Underlords and semi-pro in TFT, it felt like the perfect fit for something I could do long term. I also felt like I was somewhat early to something, and that’s usually really important if you want to succeed

[twilit storm]

do not lie Nefer

[cyan olive]

I am pretty sure, they just force the +numbers even when normal system wouldn´t give that much or would give minus, while minus numbers aren´t force capped atm.

Lots of people would lose on 4th, 3rd if you don´t force the + things.

[low comet]

Cool, hope it gets implemented asap. I want to face top 10 knowing it's really them. And not feeling bad for my loses against unknown players. IYKYK

[cyan olive]

it sounded more like team likes current thing 😅

[uncut comet]

i mean -275 sorry

[low comet]

Really?

[twilit storm]

-35

[low comet]

If that happens to me I'm not playing for 1 week

[twilit storm]

nefer is trolling us

[cyan olive]

I trust nefer

[twilit storm]

I trust match history

[tropic forge]

I tought i was the only one feeling that wayy 🤣 ... i was like : Oh bro, new players are beating my ass, i must uninstall ... i was saying a lot here that there was something odd but noone cared until trashbird ascended to the top 20 throne 😆

[languid sparrow]

Could you share me that link in DM plz, I want to see the structure it might give me ideas 👀 for illuviVault

[cyan olive]

it is just esportearnings website

[low comet]

Losing doesn’t feel bad when you’re against nefer and others 😂