🎮〕illuvium-arena

[twilit storm]

Just an opinion

to make the APG work you need a decent sample size, 2 hours aren t enuff to trigger it, but I can be wrong.

[sinful hornet]

so basically win 1 game?

[zenith mortar]

Maybe we get 2-3 each

We will see how it goes

Just meant to be a fun test event

[west plume]

testnet build?

[zenith mortar]

Don’t think we will be live yet but if we are it’s a good idea except I’m fairly confident there will be bugs

But bug finders squad will be happy

Oh yeah we are meant to announce that @dark scaffold? right?

Or did we

[sinful hornet]

is it just actual average placement or score like quants things?

[zenith mortar]

Score

[west plume]

iam somwhat off a bug hunter,right @dark scaffold some say the best,but idk

[sinful hornet]

So then if you start a game at 17:30 and finish at 18:10 does that game count ?

[zenith mortar]

Yeah we probably will count all games started before the 2 hour

Because that’s the way the tracking is setup

Remember we are testing this haha

There could be issues

[tropic forge]

Arena 7/8, come , i wanna lose 200 Score to finish my 15games testing builds. Way to go, i ate another 5th some minutes ago

[ember sail]

true I will take a look, thanks

[oak crypt]

Seriously is there a better way to put a team together than team builder? Team Builder is so resource heavy in the brower that it crashes alot.

[violet summit]

@left snow GG !! what a team you had
if you had the s2 weapon you probably would have won

@zenith mortar lets go !!

👀

[twilit storm]

@oak crypt for gauntlet?

just use team planner..it s integrated in the game ui

[oak crypt]

Thank you. new to arena.. didn't know there was something ingame

[ashen mango]

I hope this gets fixed before the marketing campaign

[sinful hornet]

the craziest is when a ranged carry gets somehow stuck unable to attack in a gap that's the size of 2 units

[supple beacon]

It can't really be easily fixed, they would need a big update like reducing the size of every units

[ashen mango]

Well that sounds like a good idea

I've heard that they wanted to change the grid system

Having units that grow bigger when their stage increase makes things super complicated

[tropic forge]

@summer frigate what do you laugh of? of the broken game as it is?

yeah, keep laughing.

[summer frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/getgood-gif-16710272876338356123

[tropic forge]

Yeah,right. that´s the way bulwark players dance after thinking they got the bigger brain

enjoy, a real game will come

[summer frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/qwasedrf-gif-5165523347047245659

[daring shuttle]

7/8

[jolly whale]

Won the last 11 rounds in a row on 6 points to take this one out! Got a little lucky with 4 invoker! Feels like cheating but definetly fun!

[summer frigate]

Wow I did not realize you had 4 invokers lol!

no wonder I always lost

[jolly whale]

Zap zap zap

[low comet]

I wasted like 50+ gold to find my last Pho hahahaha

[jolly whale]

GGs !

[summer frigate]

I was holding them from u bro

hehe

[hot pond]

Just had a weird bug where I tried to sell a unit and instead my weapon from the stack got sold and I kept my unit. Just because of this shit I didn’t have my 3rd weapon available

[fallen vortex]

When is this?

[sinful hornet]

18 00 utc

[viral marsh]

any idea how 150 gold lose to 80 gold build?

[sinful hornet]

i've been complaining about this for 5 months

but in this picture the problem is monarch and rhamphyre are actually 10 gold combined value right now

[frozen tartan]

What’s your idea for solving this issue? Strengthening Illuvials of higher tiers?

[sinful hornet]

no weakining 1 costs

[west plume]

Bullwarks everywhere🥳
It has become a race to get 5 and then fill with Psion

[sinful hornet]

rhamphyre is just an extremely awkward unit cuz it has basically no counterplay when it's broken and it does nothing when it's not, and 45 gold psyons are awkward cuz they get every 2nd ult canceled and still get oneshot / disrupted for the whole fight by one rogue

one lolura currently is worth more than rhamphyre+monarch combined

[viral marsh]

inferno doing 0 dmg. it's problem here

[sinful hornet]

yea inferno deals no dmg, monarch deals no dmg, rhamphyre hard to get any useful ult

[viral marsh]

3 inferno = 2% dmg to full board. it's same like this red aug. but units with this aug have small range, and still doing 5-15k dmg.
and 2-3 inferno doing 0 dmg. i check from moment i got 2nd. in fight untill fatigue. all board in red dust, but enemy get 0 dmg

[sinful hornet]

i think blightfire in one fight dealt more dmg than inferno

[viral marsh]

if someone have time>can check it in common arena. 3 inferno vs healer team. i'm sure this synergy just don't work now.
coz i remember before global patch 2-3 inferno = all board just melted in 10 sec

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-thumbs-up-fire-hot-melting-gif-5349232

[violet summit]

What does 4 shock do? I've never seen it

[viral marsh]

3 target

[violet summit]

Maybe mud is playing a huge role here, stealing your DMG from the units
And grilla one shooting your healers maybe

[sinful hornet]

well yea in this game on this patch the real 80 gold build is his but that's the problem

[ashen mango]

I suggest to nerf Krunk
It's such an OP tank for a T3S2

Make its cloud last for a shorter duration like 1 or 1.5 sec

[sinful hornet]

imo krunk's w/e, blotto with wildfire super strong but krunk is kinda the worst bulwark out of the 5 usually

[ashen mango]

In my games it's usually the best, it can blind 5+ units for something like 3 sec several times per round which is insane

[viral marsh]

yes yes. mud. and inferno doing nothing not only for his team, but for every

[ashen mango]

So we will have the new features in testnet today?

[vivid stirrup]

every stage has the same size, they changed that a while ago

[ashen mango]

Yes their grid size stays the same so that we can always increase their stage without having space issues but Relentless Terralynx's body is bigger than Lynx's body which makes things tricky if they want to make Lynx grid size smaller

[hybrid lodge]

anyone know where is the raffle ticket?

[viral marsh]

you can check in game LB amount of your raffle ticket

[hybrid lodge]

n how to use it?

it reset everyweek

[viral marsh]

every 2 week.

[violet summit]

grilla needs a nerf, urgently

tier 1 team vs tier 4/5

[zenith mortar]

So many stage 3

How long did he stay on level 5-6

[violet summit]

Too long, he played the whole game with 8 hp

5 units stage 3 at some point

It's a risky comp, but without nerf totally worth it

That augment on grills is ridiculous
Every cast is one kill

He killed my stage 3 phosphorus with 1 ulti lol

[viral marsh]

you miss 5 bulwark buff

[violet summit]

That probably wouldn't matter in this game , that grilla was like an assassin, taking 1 by 1

[safe valve]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

seems it doesn't help 😄

[viral marsh]

i play with different set-up.

[viral marsh]

in my opinion, win-condition not phosphorus against his team.

[hot pond]

Its always the grilla man. Literally the only unit that makes the T1 teams viable. Usually I try to just keep grillas on my bench to deny people to find the S3 but still they somehow manage to get him

[sinful hornet]

was the fight close? cuz if u put the dmg amp + 20% 20% 20% item on phosphorus it might've won

[hot pond]

Nil was already mentioning though that grilla will be addressed

[violet summit]

Nop, he won at least 3 matches with 50% of his team alive

I tried different positioning in all of them but everytime the grilla just wiped my team 1 by 1

[hot pond]

I played the same guy with a similar team and had the same outcome

Hes always going for the same

[turbid osprey]

Most of the time hes bot 4 though, its frustrating when he hits but its not performing well

[sinful hornet]

it's just worse than going earth, the whole point is that grilla's the broken thing

[zenith mortar]

5/8

[hot pond]

Yea. Grilla is the only reason that team exists

[noble hinge]

Baby Kangaroo for the win. 🤣

[ashen mango]

The problem isn't that they are T1 illuvials since there are a lot of stage 3s and you can't reliably pull that off in a tournament lobby, in other words it's only a comp that can work if lobbies aren't strong

The problem is that its omega can oneshot psions behind other illuvials

There's a caveat though because you can put a resistance buff item on them to prevent Grilla from targeting them with its omega so there's some counterplay possible

Still I would like to see its omega damage nerfed a bit and maybe compensate by making its AD higher or something like that

We could also make its omega damage scale less with OP since it doesn't look like the kind of illuvial that has BiS psion items

By the way there were 6 people playing 3+ bulwarks in this game, I hope they will become less oppressive next patch

[sinful hornet]

this isn't true, this is strong in tournaments too

[ashen mango]

This comp with Artace or Exalted Grilla?

[sinful hornet]

no earths

[ashen mango]

I agree, I was specifically talking about this comp

[sinful hornet]

but if u hit blightfire early u're top 4 no matter the comp

[hybrid lodge]

it's me, I’m DfromVN, honestly i don't have time to research so this is how i usually play, but honestly this playstyle is quite risky when the meta changes, bulwalk and empath will counter it

[violet summit]

I placed 2 defensive augments on my Fernite to try and hold templar for longer but it didn't work either
That augment on grills is broken, few hits and he jumps and kills units ultra fast

[hybrid lodge]

It not help me rasing rank point

Just sometime Fuel and Raffle ticket but I don’t know use the Raffle Ticket ?

Guy relax n pls don’t nerf playing style :)))

*my

[sinful hornet]

grilla's getting changed 90% when nil is back in town

[hot pond]

Hit blightfire too while we’re at it

[sinful hornet]

blightfire might be fine assuming they touch up a lot of legendaries, i'm more often just looking at a legendary choice phase and thinking that everything is trash more than blightfire being broken

[zenith mortar]

https://x.com/illuviumio/status/1915452368604598311

Illuvium (@illuviumio) on X

🔥 Kukkas Cave Showdown – This Friday at 18:00 UTC!

Step into the Cave for a 2-hour Gauntlet Blitz followed by a Final 8 throwdown.

💥 20,000+ FUEL in prizes
🕕 Friday, 18:00 UTC
🎯 Top 8 by average score qualify for the Final Match
🎮 Final is a best-of-one — winner takes the

X · Apr 24, 2025, 5:06 PM

STarting in 30 mins

[violet summit]

I just played against that same team with 2 blightfires and the 1 legendary that gives 5 resistances and still lost the game

5 bullwarks too

MUD + Mystic + Healers... nothing can stop it

[west plume]

who is Immaf1shy?

[viral marsh]

don't say nothing. at lest i know 3 different way to stop it.

[violet summit]

its 2 fckn strong

I finished the game with 81 gold lol

if you get 4 mystic on this build its not possible to win

[vale zephyr]

gg

[daring shuttle]

7/8

[bronze spire]

you can also take armour off your ranger to counter it. I really dont see it as a problem. Its cool to have a strong S3 T1

all the complaining about corner comps and now there is something that can kind of counterit and all of a sudden nerf that

[vivid stirrup]

https://x.com/Phantom_ilv/status/1915940306895442060

Phantom Guild ♊️ (@Phantom_ilv) on X

Here comes a quick pop-up Saturday @illuviumio Tournament! 👀

Register here: https://t.co/P1sksZKnX0

X · Apr 26, 2025, 1:25 AM

[tropic forge]

Sorry, i´m a little confused. It says the tournament will start like in 6 hours?

[viscid otter]

sure this is a silly question, but whats a blightfire?

[vivid stirrup]

yes

<t:1745654454:F>

is your local start time, be in the phantom tournament discord rdy to rumble, illuvidata is buggy and doesnt let me put the right time

[jolly whale]

THis starts in a hour ? Might be my first tourney

[vivid stirrup]

yes! in 27 minutes

[low comet]

Round 4? for real? HAHAHAHA

[hot pond]

Its a legendary augment

[vivid stirrup]

https://x.com/Phantom_ilv/status/1915940306895442060

tournament starts in a few minutes. still some spots left. will be a fast one today. 4 games total

Phantom Guild ♊️ (@Phantom_ilv) on X

Here comes a quick pop-up Saturday @illuviumio Tournament! 👀

Register here: https://t.co/P1sksZKnX0

X · Apr 26, 2025, 1:25 AM

[hot pond]

Where do we join for the tournament after registering?

[vivid stirrup]

there is a link to the tourney discord on illuvidata

@hot pond

there you can join voice and check in

[hot pond]

Is it where I register? Cant seem to find it

Ah got it

[gaunt hull]

his name is terminator for a reason haha

[twilit storm]

gg @summer frigate

https://tenor.com/view/git-gud-viking-gif-6627407648198895902

[summer frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-share-lshare-vertek-defi-vertek-vertek-lion-gif-27504997

[tawdry sinew]

this elo system is starting to get nonsense, I'm only around 1500 points, far far from the top, yet I now lose 7-10 points for a 5th position while never gaining more than 1 point for 4th... losing 10 is just nonsense, 3 of the 4 ahead of me are higher than me on the LB...

[low comet]

Did all top players joined Paz' tournament? HAHAHAHAHA

[twilit storm]

@uncut comet

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[naive mantle]

can confirm lol this was too easy

i spoke too soon i just lost this round

[vivid stirrup]

we did have 100% of top 8 haha 😄

GGs @uncut comet and the rest!!! Thanks for playing / watching!

[wicked hedge]

Its basically top 20 right there 😉

[valid stirrup]

4/8

anyone playing ?

[devout estuary]

Anyone have a quick go-to guide on how to learn Gauntlet? I'm not new at all, but I just can't figure it out at all. I know all illuvials, affinities, etc. I just don't get Gauntlet.

Seems like random luck to get the illuvials I want but I know that must not be the case

[sinful hornet]

look for tournament vods watch slickz pov and copy what he does

foxpirit pov should be helpful as well

[devout estuary]

Appreciate that bro 😊

[viral marsh]

FoxSpirit. i play not well this time. bad choice strategy for some games

but i feel like legendary augments get you win sometimes. you have 3-4 augments which x2-x3 stronger that any other. you can pick them>then off brain, and stay at win streak for next 5-10 rounds.

[haughty lintel]

Or you can watch Hollow pov. In general try not to waste gold early, even if that means losing some hp. Play meta teams, right now that is 5 bulwark + empaths + some damage dealers. Find some composition from a good player and go for it. Save your gold and roll on lvl 7 to stabilize and get most of your comp, try to use stage 1 lynx early because it deals pure damage + some frontline.

[sinful hornet]

don't think my pov's that useful because i almost never level early and too many people win doing that to be right

but current patch it's for sure just augment diffs if there's no big skill gap

[viral marsh]

2nd place got bright aug in 3/4 games as 1st aug. then you have do nothing after. just lvl up> pick some extra stage 2 units>win game

[sinful hornet]

yea same with adaptive

i think it's insanely troll that u have so many legendary augments that give no stats

[viral marsh]

for adaptive you have to got 5 bulvark. for bright>just pick it

[sinful hornet]

i winstreaked with one 2 star grokko with adaptive dealing 10k dmg per round at lvl 4

[viral marsh]

75% as after you drop to 25% hp. or 2% dmg every second aoe. hm. what to pick

[sinful hornet]

the burn is basically extra 1% dmg

and if u rolled the normal burn poison augment into legendary burn or adaptive you go afk and are guaranteed top 2

[viral marsh]

i tell about 60% legendarys = garbage. 10% super strong. and 30% around fine sometimes.

[sinful hornet]

i think 2 are super strong on this patch because 5 bulwarks exist, 3 (true sight 40% as and 30 omega power + per second and arcane conduit) are very good but slightly worse on 5 bulwarks patch cuz tank items are just better, the freeze is decent, defiant, retribution, nullifier, sapping, resist+hp, voidcleaver are decent, actually somehow a lot of them are decent but the difference between the decent and really good is from 30% to 100%

i do think basically half of all normal augments are insane trash tho

and the fact that we have a drone augment that deals 20 dmg per unit per fight or one that gives 450+ shield to whole team is so insane i have no idea how this can make it on live

and they really need to rework cast times, units having every 2nd ult cancelled is terrible

[viral marsh]

even not count only bulwark. it's much bad aug at all. execute unit which already almost dead>wtf?
drone augments? i think half off them not worth at all. 5% lifesteal or 30 resistance? this 5% give you overall +200hp in lifesteal.
buff for tier-0? who pick it?

[sinful hornet]

ye there's 4 you always wanna pick and 3 you wanna pick if nothing better and then all the rest never wanna pick

with differences of thousands of hp per fight from best to worst

[viral marsh]

i hope they rework some of drone augs. you can give instead of usseles>evasion, crit apm, magic apm, restore drone hp, give extra gold for streak, it's some other good things can be add instead of current

[sinful hornet]

they really fucked up by making it so u can't pick multiple of the same one because now the 3 cost, 4 cost and 5 costs are useless trash

[viral marsh]

i think it's good decision. so - you not stack +50% as

but ye, when i see someone pick stage-3 drone aug for tier-5 unit and play at late game without tier-5 unit, i think - "what are you doing"
still - most of time, buff for full team>that buff for 1 unit

[devout estuary]

Really appreciate this!

Hollow and Fox Spirit 🙏

[noble hinge]

Me too thanks for sharing your thoughts on augments.

[west musk]

4/8

5/8

[supple epoch]

@devout estuary if you play Overworld it also shows you both teams your team and the defending team skills great way to see the max build in action...

[bronze spire]

haha sniping rank que as tourney is on smart play

[low comet]

I never thought there would be a game if all active players are busy in the tournament

[west musk]

7/8

6/8

i know it's late but cmon number needs to go up

5/8

/:

[frank nimbus]

7/8.

Let's go

[west plume]

Worth going back to this post from Aaron a month ago, a lot of things will change and Gauntlet will get a massive upgrade.

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[shrewd stirrup]

someone's pissed. going for 7 bulwark build haha

[carmine obsidian]

@ashen mango gg wp )

[ashen mango]

GG

Blazenite was strong

[terse rampart]

Oh that was the two of u. Earth build and the ramphyte op

[sinful hornet]

like can we fix the ghost games already or 3 months is just too little time for that?

[viral marsh]

if i cancel que to ranked - i every time start common game.

[sinful hornet]

i didn't even cancel this one, game crashed at 8/8 and i had no reconnect button

[viral marsh]

it's just -63. play 5-6 hours to got it back. it's fun play game, no?

[gaunt hull]

@zenith mist had to crawl from your 100 HP. Nice game!

[zenith mist]

yeah was on a crazy win streak for a while there, gg!

[gaunt hull]

you had 1 alphie left i had 1 pho left

[west quartz]

IMO only worth if you play squizz carry or pho carry

[viral marsh]

buff 8 units or buff 1. as well - you can pick it as 1st aug, and not got this tier 5 units for next 10 rounds. and after you got him - he die in 10sec. is it worth?

[west quartz]

Well if you play full air and hour squizz dies in 10 secs it’s gg anyways, if you can’t protect it you lose your win condition

And you really need it to have as much OP as possible to make kills and get resets

[viral marsh]

not squiz win-condition on air.

but if you feel this dron aug good - why not. play with it. i'd love see my opponents pick it, and lose hp

[west quartz]

What’s the win cond for you then

[twilit storm]

only for subscribers

[viral marsh]

it's different, depent which air you play. but on all - not squiz main unit

[twilit storm]

not octius too then

[hot pond]

So if you have Goliant and pho in the same team, you need to flip a coin that the drone augment applies to your pho? I never like to pick that shit 😂

[zenith mortar]

Yeah I don’t like those augment either I never even know who it applies to

[void dust]

Late game... double augmented Rhamphite banging on Dualeph entire fight - 40s - didn't even get it to half health. No def augs, just an unkillable psion. #justilluviumthings

[sinful hornet]

your mistake was putting in a rhamphite instead of a 2 star grilla

[cold ruin]

best team for gauntlet currently ?

[zenith mortar]

https://x.com/DickKingz/status/1916574990436302880

DickKingz.eth ♊️ (@DickKingz) on X

It's the weekend still... have you checked your @illuviumio Testnet Build? 👀

X · Apr 27, 2025, 7:27 PM

oops no self promotion

mute me @west plume

[mighty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/berg-ankit-kick-out-throw-out-get-out-of-here-gif-20129402

[mighty tulip]

I'm downloading now, you got a game going yet?

[open ibex]

same installing 🤣

[mighty tulip]

Sounds wild, 3 augments on 1 unit 😅

[open ibex]

super saiyan phosphorus 🔥 🔥 🔥

[zenith mortar]

Shortly

lol

You guys in already

Trying to fix the wife’s phone it grenaded yesterday

[mighty tulip]

First thing that came to mind was super OP Grilla meta 😅

[zenith mortar]

Triple augment exalted grilla lol

whos downloadning

@west plume

@viral marsh

@frozen tartan

@sharp geyser

@safe valve

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-here-you-rang-hey-hey-there-hey-girl-gif-1793955388941249006

Devs cooked

Also Iam not allowed to Mute the Community manager.

Trust me i tried

Many times

@zenith mortar i read the Patch notes and have made the meta build

[zenith mortar]

cope

come play

2/8 testnet

ranked

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-tom-hanks-run-running-on-my-way-gif-9305363

[viral marsh]

BFNBKN - casual testnet, will start in 2 min

[west plume]

we are doing ranked

Testnet

[viral marsh]

don't have time whait 20 mins

[west plume]

not sure why @zenith mortar

do casual TEstnet

[zenith mortar]

i figured we could get 8 ranked

and if there is issues with ranked we need to find them

like these placement matches

@viral marsh

join us

[viral marsh]

7/8?

[zenith mortar]

lol

3/8

[west plume]

3\8

[viral marsh]

xD

[west plume]

lol

[zenith mortar]

5/8

[viral marsh]

you can play casual, and when you got 7-8 ppl ready for ranked>join it, instead seat and whait

[zenith mortar]

we have 6

6/8

7/8

@viral marsh

[mighty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-excited-crazy-tutu-gif-13913618

[sinful hornet]

does this mean exact same things for all 8 players or for example if someone gets an augment then everyone gets an augment but not the same?

[frozen tartan]

Sorry, my friend, I can't right now, unfortunately.🍯

[viral marsh]

can i get this fuel on mainnet?

[west plume]

5\8 testnet

[viral marsh]

need balance patch for water/nature/fire. treshhold/effect of full synergy. otherway we will see 2 comp dominated any other

[west plume]

ranked

[mighty tulip]

that was fun GG

[sinful hornet]

my grilla will kill them all

[viral marsh]

not made screen from my game, but i think that build something crazy. 5 templar, 7 earth

probably can add 5 bulwark as well here

[sinful hornet]

iw atched

[viral marsh]

this class synergy which drop everywhere - probably to much. you can get 1 from drone, other from random drop, and got 2 synergy at lvl5. then build weapon. gg

[sinful hornet]

it will be a clown fiesta for a while

6/8 testnet ranked

[viral marsh]

3 behemoth at lvl5. it will be more random that got blightfire

for carusel feels like need more space for move around, or have learn how move. pick unit i don't whant and can't change my choice.

[sinful hornet]

it has to change to unlock 2 at a time like tft otherwise this is a straight up spawn luck

7AVN9K

go casual + 2 bots testnet

[fallen vortex]

How's the new patch?

[hollow orbit]

My drone doesn't move when I right-click during the draft, how can I get it to move?

[fallen vortex]

Wait Suit Amplifiers aren't in?

The only feature i care about

rip

[ashen mango]

Very promising

[fallen vortex]

No suit amplifiers tho, how do we downvote

😛

[ashen mango]

Yeah I'd love that too, I said since the beginning that suits and weapons on the shop were too complicated

Can't wait for that

[fallen vortex]

I used to think it was fine, and I've never had a major issue with weapons. But Suits are just 1 too many for my brain to process

[ashen mango]

We can also put 3 items on each units now

Things are getting crazy

[fallen vortex]

I'm watching Mal, that looks really neat

is bonding back yet? Gonna read notes in a sec

[ashen mango]

Not yet

SInce there are still weapons

[fallen vortex]

Also new UI looks dope

love the new component placement

[ashen mango]

Regions are in as well
So far I've only seen Brightland Steppes +30 drone HP and Crimson Waste +2 drone dmg per round

It changes the game a lot

[fallen vortex]

Yeah regions are really exciting

[hollow orbit]

During every draft, I expect my drone to be visible in the top right corner, but it's not there. I can't move it either. (It may be moving but I just can't see it.)

Are you having this issue with draft time right now?

[ember sail]

Alright, this is already the third time this has happened, okay? The match starts, the game crashes, I have to close and reopen it, and when I get back it shows "1 out of 8" — in other words, I don’t actually get into the match and automatically lose points, without being able to do anything about it. At this level, this kind of thing shouldn't be happening. In 10 matches, I lost 100 points, even though in none of them did I place outside of the top 4. Just this problem alone cost me 100 points. So now, how am I supposed to stay motivated to play? I grind 10 matches to earn 100 points, and then in 3 games that bug out, I lose all those points? You guys should fix this, create a point protection system or something to solve this issue. It happened 3 times in less than 10 matches — it's impossible to compete like this.

[vale zephyr]

@ember sail

[ember sail]

It's about that — there isn't even an option to reconnect to the game, it just shows the lobby as if I had quit.

I had just finished the previous match in first place, and it all went down the drain. Besides the lost points, my time was also wasted in this whole situation.

[fallen vortex]

@stiff helm I know you are probably already aware, but do you have any quickfire updates to share regarding this?

[rancid raptor]

ugh

[fallen vortex]

Lovely review 😛

[rancid raptor]

yeah i mean, feels weird, too many items and options and very little time. Carousel looks super ugly and buggy. no change in weapons, no change in suits

i can see some improvements in animations though

so theres that

[zenith mortar]

the components get easier as you use them i think as you know what to expect when combining parts

[rancid raptor]

i've played over +100 games and items even without components are hard to grasp. Images and names are not intuitive to what they are used for

and not related to anything else in the game or in another game like league

[zenith mortar]

thats what im saying though i feel like its easier now

2 reds

gives me these 3 augments

2 purples give me these 3

[fallen vortex]

I am also dissapointed that weapons and suits weren't changed first. But I don't think suit updates are far away

[rancid raptor]

also no bonding

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/not-yet-lost-miles-straume-ken-leung-lost-tv-show-gif-6809079258349706734

[fallen vortex]

Can you give us any insight as to when?

We talking early May or much later?

I just feel like bonding/weapons/suits/forge was the most important stuff. Just excited for when its all there

[rancid raptor]

there is no relation between orb colors and what they are used for. like how is violet realted to energy?

anyway, that was just from 1 game i just finished. Nice end screen

[fallen vortex]

Oh yeah that's so funny. Make Omega stuff blue (magic is always blue). Attack stuff remains red, naturally.

Then defensive stuff should be purple to align with Earth's defensive traits across the ecosystem.

Yellow is a good indicator for utility, so wouldnt be the worst

[rancid raptor]

its clear that anything they cant copy paste from TFT is messed up. Weapons, armour, in this case there is no icons to asociate items with what they do.. .and so on

tbh survival mode with bonding we had years ago was still better than gauntlet now a days

[fallen vortex]

I always thought a full rogue-like pve mode would be fun

[fallen vortex]

Everything is an iterative process. Even TFT hasn't nailed anything on their first try.

Also they had DOTA Underlords to work off of anyways.

[jolly whale]

Yikes this testnet build is crazy.... kind of feel like we are back to not have enough time between rounds

[west musk]

ooo i'm dowloading it rn

[mighty tulip]

Personally I quite like the time pressure in the new build. Makes the game more exciting imo.

[west musk]

testnet 2/8

[zenith mortar]

Oof

I wanna play

Putting the kid to bed

@umbral oracle we gonna test

If it’s work related I can’t make an excuse 😆

[west musk]

XD
u still have time.... still 2/8

[zenith mortar]

You could test casual

This is a rough time

For testnet especially

[vernal forum]

What are people playing? I wanna play someone but the q takes like 5 minutes then I give up lol. I think I am selecting the wrong game mode

[fallen vortex]

On mainnet, Ranked. On testnet probably casual

The new testnet patch just dropped so I think its hurting the mainnet queue times a bit

[west musk]

👀 why the illuvials walking around a catwalk?

[fallen vortex]

Cause they gotta strut their stuff

The Carousel is a staple of TFT, and a fun catchup mechanic

Whoever is getting rekt the hardest gets first dibs basically. And each Illuvial also has items, incase thats a priority.

[west musk]

Do they have to walk tho?
Can they be on platforms that move so they can be semi static?
There's so much going on just in that roundabout it's like wtf is going on...

[fallen vortex]

I think like a travelator and simple idle animations could be fine

[west musk]

yes please

[noble hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/ellie-sassy-strut-model-walk-gif-5858173

[native mauve]

hry guys how do i open the crates?

lol gotta sell it lol

[fallen vortex]

Yeah its one of those things thats not inherintely intuitive until u do it once

then you'll never forget

[jolly whale]

Not being able to pick up loot crates because your illuvial bench is full sucks bad!

We can definitely do a better system than that!

Just adds more frantic clicking when time is already a issue

[bronze spire]

loot crates? is there a new patch

[jolly whale]

Sorry augment crates

New patch on test net

[west plume]

Make sure to give any feedback you have back to the team, #💬〕testnet-discussions

[jolly whale]

Oh in a feedback machine right now

[fallen vortex]

I havent tried it, and i fear you are right. But I like the idea of additional strategy.

[jolly whale]

I'm guessing the reason they did it like that is so when you are choosing augments you can pick to do it when you have time.

But in fact you loose a tonne more time picking up the crate, shuffling your bench then repicking it up, then choosing the augment.

Don't get me wrong I love it, I just think it could be done better.

Put the augment straight into the bar with the other minor ones so you can pick when your ready

I'd actually remove using your drone to pick them up and just put them straight into your bar, to save time.

One less thing to watch out for in between rounds.

lol did you know you can block your opponents drone to make it harder for him to pick up the crates!

[worldly token]

I cannot access this channel - can you give me authorization?

[fallen vortex]

The picking up was something TFT originally had. Which they changed about a year later cause its dumb. Now in TFT u can pick them up if u want to, but it auto collects them at the end of the round.

[fallen vortex]

In TFT you normally spend PvE rounds figuring out Augment related things. Maybe we need to extend PvE timer again

[west plume]

Just need to tick of this in the channel roles selection

[fallen vortex]

It was shorter for past mechanics

[jolly whale]

Interesting... I've never played tft

Usually you want them equipt straight away. You don't want to wait for the end of the round

[fallen vortex]

TFT is a bit different, equipping items has a major cost associated since removal isn't easy

So TFT is critically different in that way

And Illuvium hasn't adjusted yet

[jolly whale]

Half the time you don't even realise they have dropped till you finish buying illuvials and start to adjust your positioning

So it's a rush to pick them up and pick/equip them in time

[fallen vortex]

There's something to be said about adding an element of skill expression through game knowledge

[jolly whale]

I'd recommend making them flash and play a sound effect

[fallen vortex]

Oh for sure, this would all be important

they are impossible to miss in tft

giant glowy orbs

[jolly whale]

They are glowy already, but they are easy to miss

[fallen vortex]

They r probably too small

[open ibex]

Testnet

[sinful hornet]

anyone playing testnet?

[native mauve]

im gonna play one in 10min

[eternal steeple]

btw, now you can also spectate other players, just by clicking their icon

[sinful hornet]

can we get keyboard shortcuts that take you to the next player board/previous player board

[fallen vortex]

Despite what these 'pros' suggest. I way prefer the hover thing you guys have already, TFT had it wrong.

But we do need an indicator of their bench and items

[native mauve]

thats great, will we also be able to spectate games when we're not in them soon? like be able to see running games and spectate?

[fallen vortex]

u know what, both is important, but I'd love to see the rollover display expanded upon

[eternal steeple]

not rn

[eternal steeple]

the hover is still there

but now you can also click and see their board

[native mauve]

anyone up for testnet game now?

ayyt im gonna go smash some bots

[umbral oracle]

@zenith mortar surely we run a testnet tournament, like tonight?

[sinful hornet]

kieran did you play already?

[umbral oracle]

Yep, unbelievable

[sinful hornet]

did you already tell the devs how to fix carousel?

[umbral oracle]

haha there are some bugs, they are working on them already

[sinful hornet]

do they have any way to make the space a flat 2d space so clicking goes smooth?

[languid sparrow]

👀

[native mauve]

lets get this on mainnet asap ple, i dont even want to play the old one now lol so good rather play bots

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/trivia-night-gif-22738605

Played a few games last night and I really like the new UI and making your own Augments, feels like you can customize a lot more towards your play style.
The draft deck was a Bit chaotic and a bit too dark for me atleast

[native mauve]

yeah draft deck defo super buggy, but the game is so chaotic and supper fun, cant wait to play against real people lol

[languid sparrow]

I'm ready!

[native mauve]

can we make it less family and team member related. How t f am I supposed to know the name of @noble radish and @umbral oracle dogs?

[languid sparrow]

No one said there going to be a trivia yet

[native mauve]

i believe @west plume started rumor

[languid sparrow]

I since the last week, I was more focused on developping Gauntlet section on illuviVault website (not live yet). It's starting to be decent, just need 2-3 more things.

Lars is a rumor

He's good at starting rumor about those trivia in fact hehe

[native mauve]

sound aweome) wen u think illuvivault will be live?

[jolly whale]

Vs Kieran and Rich

Plz I'd prefer a challenge

[languid sparrow]

Could be live pretty quickly but in the other hand, I would like to have at least 2 special features developped for players/users. I have no date but i will be finishing school pretty soon 1 month in IT (axed on programmation)

[worldly token]

tried joining ranked - got 8/8 players and game did not load. Cannot reconnect and cannot find a new game. What do I need to do?

[sinful hornet]

u take an 8th place

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[tropic forge]

downloading testnet... anything but playing actual ranked Russian Roulette seems fun. What a sad game i just had... 20mins queee, bulwark monkey , that sums up the whole lobby...

[worldly token]

amazing. Lost 32 points, even though I restarted the game a million times to try to get a reconnect.

[sinful hornet]

ye i took a -80

Feedback so far:

Carousel - decent, just needs to be cleared of bugs/polished + unlocking 2 players at a time based on position is way better than
based on hp and everyone getting out at the same time, it creates clusterfucks. Clicking needs to be somewhat improved.
Units teleporting is actually so unintuitive and does nothing but troll you, straight up would prefer to get rid of this and just let them move consistently.

Item/Crates - right now a lot of the time you can't pick them/you can't see them/you can't sell them.
There's also way too many items given in a game, at the end of games half the board is 3 items and you have basically no way to reitemize and roll/reposition in a round.
Possible fixes: less items per game or make it so you can drag a single item from a unit to take it off, instead of having to bench for all 3.
Crates are not visible enough, they're sometimes hard to reach, if you can make it so when pve round ends it gets auto picked that'd be a big improvement.

Gold is still bugged.

QoL:
Scouting: would like a key shortcut to be able to go to next player board/previous player board.
Would like an option to "close" item selection temporarly and be allowed to scout to see what others took and then resume the pick.
Would make it a priority as new feature for items to be able to be equipped in battle this fixes the no time per rounds we currently have.
Huge unmentioned change: On live if you have a unit selected and you hover it to a new position without clicking to confirm it will put it there last second,
on testnet if you do that the position stays unchanged.

Balance wise I can't tell until it hits live and i've played dozens of games, overall having these features in is great, just need to be polished.
My prio preference would be carousel insanely polished, gold bug fixed, items/timer polish.

[noble radish]

Don't ask me. But in any case feel free to ask me if you don't know something. I might just accidentally tell you the answer.

[noble radish]

Regarding drafting, the intuitive parts or coming as QOL. As for the timing, there are a few small adjustments, but we aren't moving to a 'two at a time' metric.

[languid sparrow]

Hello Aaron,

Who should I speak to in order to get access to the Illuvium Advanced API?
I'm currently building useful tools for the community through my personal project, IlluviVault.
I already have access to Illuvium’s standard API, but it is limited to matches played through Gauntlet on the mainnet and testnet, as well as to nomenclature and synergy data.

I fully understand that developing the API may not be a top priority for Illuvium at the moment, especially given the current context. Still, I believe that expanding access to certain data — such as augments and drone augments — could provide significant value to players and the community, ILZ and OW as well.

Thank you very much for your time and support.
Looking forward to your reply!

[tribal glade]

@wispy quail get good g

[native mauve]

Try without bots @tribal glade

[native mauve]

Anyone up for testnet now?

[spring basin]

I could join in like 20 min or so if we get ppl

[sinful hornet]

we had a full game yesterday at night

[native mauve]

I gotta work soon, should be able to in like 3 hours from now hopefully have a tourney later today

goldgolum20 didnt stand a chance lol

[edgy bough]

That is a mean comp gg

[noble geode]

Love all the new changes, but it would be good to see some pre game tutorials or demos, of how to do things for newbies to the game. New players won't want to read through regular patch notes... so the carousel etc will be confusing...not sure if it's something already in the works?

[sinful hornet]

you can't really tutorial this, ideally u'd wanna watch streams if not play yourself,, but there's almost none

[noble geode]

Or have a training gym at the start of the game going through the basics... we need to make it so new people can easily figure out the game on their own, as most won't go to discord or a streamer trying to figure out how to play a game.

[viral marsh]

it's to hard. just give to every new come people welcome 3000 rating, so they can lose it and not stress much, while learn game

[cyan olive]

At this stage of a game you kinda need to outsource that stuff to people streaming/making videos.

Full tutorial etc. stuff in a game, that might change again and again is lots of resources used inefficiently.

[sinful hornet]

if it's not time / resource intensive maybe they can add all the main mechanics to survival and have some descriptions other than that there's not much they can do

[viral marsh]

you still have casual to learn

[frank moon]

Don't tell me you want us to bet on those people again lol. We've had enough pain resulting in 69 views. People should be able to play the game without opening youtube, discord or whatever

I suggest all the content creators and council members pay back illuvium for lack of output. We might eventually enter the real world

[cyan olive]

I am telling you what the reality is.

[cyan olive]

There aren´t good incentives in place to create valueadding content, after overall revenue wasn´t high enough to make ref codes worth.

[viral marsh]

it's 2 kind of people: who know how play games and who dont.
1st - open game and learn everything by themself after 24 hours.
2nd - open game, open youtube, open guides, and still can't play after 100 hours.

[cyan olive]

I also think this is pretty insulting to people who did create a lot of valueable content in good faith expecting the game to do a lot better and be in a better stage at launch.

[frank moon]

I am telling you what the reality is

[cyan olive]

lmao

You prob wonder why most of the ones making content left, people like you and how you treat good faith/effort others put into are surely part of it, gj bro.

[sinful hornet]

i mean the league tutorial has been an iconic meme for decades and tft doesn't even have one so idk

[cyan olive]

The guy is just a down bad bag holder lashing out.

[frank moon]

You mean when my ears were bleeding when listening to illuvinations microphone? Or keyboard stroaking scoriox mid stream? Or maybe the lizard lab pumpers damn i miss those

The order of operations was just wrong and I still like those people

[lean ivy]

FGJT3H

[frank moon]

Hope you didnt lose too many followers over that pump my own bag wayfinder syndrom you had for some weeks. Onto the next game to milk and leave!

[lean ivy]

Testnet if anyone wants to join

[cyan olive]

gained 300 and made 8k$

wish I would have had reasons to play more overworld, but there were none, illiquid market, and TFT-clone is like an alpha

[frank moon]

Same

[cyan olive]

I also got badmouthed and blocked for constructive criticism I put towards ILV-products, not sure what else you´d want me to do than stop talking about it mostly.

Others in the same boat I believe.

[frank moon]

All i want is the game not to depend on content creators like you mentioned. They should always be an extra and not something we rely on. Good games bring players and content creators

Soon we will have millions of tft players coming over!

[sinful hornet]

i mean i didn't say they had to pay people to make content

[cyan olive]

Yeah I agree, but the "good" games are either enjoyable game/community, and then people put time/effort/good faith into creating content or it is new hype thing and monetizeable in some way, either due to amount of views you get or because ref links/company pays you/has incentive programms.

So if you want tutorial and content now, from e.g. my pov it isn´t monetizable via views nor ref link.
Best thing likely is don´t share any information and farm rewards from ladder/tournaments even.

aka you won´t have tutorial like content by many on high level, as incentives don´t align for creating it and it is likely too expensive for labs to make it either in-game in high quality I assume, as they wanna get the game good first

[lean ivy]

Waiting room for next lobby:A2YWAE

[outer surge]

Sorry to ask a question off topic. But is it possible to use skins I made in Overworld to work in Arena? If so, how? I have them in my inventory but they don't show up in the Arena menus.

[twilit storm]

not atm

[outer surge]

I see. Thank you!

[lime cloak]

Hopefully we will see them fairly soon in main menu, etc...

#🎮〕illuvium-overworld message

[hollow citrus]

in the testnet build it's working

[zenith mortar]

N233GF

Casual Testnet

[languid sparrow]

Is that normal I did get augment and othjer players have some ( on testnet)

Wha tto do with normal augment crate

[west musk]

anyone playing? either main or testnet?

[languid sparrow]

Hoo we have to sell it 😅

[west musk]

how do u get the little poke balls?

[languid sparrow]

Spawn on the board

[west musk]

yah i see them on the other team... how do u get them?

[viral marsh]

move here them

[viral marsh]

stack with each other. depending of colors you stack you can got different augs.

[languid sparrow]

Hooo i see

The time could be quicker on the progress / transfort loading.

[west musk]

Why make 30+ health bonus for everyone when brightland is rolled? That just makes games longer /:

[viral marsh]

coz you have 6-8 different regions, and depending of this you can think about 1 or other strategy for your game.

[west musk]

Yah but is it different for everyone? or the same?

Otherwise 130 starting health is cool if other people choose something else

[viral marsh]

every game different region. but it's same for everyone in this game.

[west musk]

but the casual games I have played its the same for everyone

thats terrible

[west musk]

why start with 130?

just makes games longer

would make sense if it was different for everyone

but otherwise seems like a forced way to make every game a bit different.... but it's still the same start for everyone idk

[viral marsh]

play 2 game with 130hp. both end at round 32-37.

[languid sparrow]

There a lot of information for new players. Wow

[viral marsh]

not this made game longer, but 2 opponents with 90+ hp when everyone else eliminated. and when they around same strenght. and start> 1 win 1 round, next win other. both fight close and they do -5-8 dmg to each other

[west musk]

What's the point of 130 then?

[viral marsh]

why not? how much it should be? 101?

[west musk]

100

[viral marsh]

100 it's default

[native mauve]

to play different strategy, other rounds have extra drone damage so some games you have to attack others sustain

[west musk]

and make a different bonus altogether

[viral marsh]

i don't understand you. it's new mechanic in game with different regions. 1 region give to everyone +30hp, so you can play other strategy. play with higher economy, or choice late-game build.
when region for extra-dmg - you have play more agressive, or you lose at round 16.
at other region we will get some other futures

[west musk]

I'll keep feeling it out... I played two 130 and felt longer even if it was psychological idk

[viral marsh]

if you play casual - yes. it will be much longer.
imagine - 7 bots, each play with weak deck, and when win other hit him for 1-5 hp.

[west musk]

ok... havent been able to play testnet with ppl yet... just testing casual

seems like early game is longer? more t0?

[viral marsh]

what you mean?

[west musk]

maybe cuz its casual idk... but testnet version there are T0 in shop for more early rounds

[viral marsh]

if you stay at lvl 3 - yes, chances for T0 will be higher, that if you rush lvl 5 from 3rd turn.

[west musk]

ahh yah I am playing different style since its casual

[viral marsh]

as well - keep in mind units pool. and when someone buy it > it's become less units in store.
for most of ranked - every player build 1-3 T0S2. for casual - bots just buy units T1-T3 and use them

[west musk]

got it

so u need two pokeballs of the components to get an augment?

I like that augments are mostly at your own pace

[languid sparrow]

3 types of Components

[raven obsidian]

will ranger bonding ever come back? i miss that

[spring basin]

Anyone playing testnet atm?

[wicked hedge]

we did earlier, but dont think right now

[sinful hornet]

You should not have carousels where some illuvials have a component and some have a completed item btw

[viral marsh]

is it ingame now? i see only different rounds. at early you have component>later in game completed item

[sinful hornet]

i saw in casual 2 illuvials had full item and the rest components

[viral marsh]

if all will work like should>low HP start move faster that other. it will make sence - you decide pick unit/item you need, or just gold

[sinful hornet]

but it doesn't make sense, the amount of value u get from a chosen full item compared to a component is too much u're just turning the game into coinflips

and if you're last with 3-4 hp below 5th and u go out of that carousel with component because of spawn rng u wanna smash keyboard

[viral marsh]

"Drones are released based on a Health-Based Player Order Algorithm - in short, the lower the health of a player, the faster they get released in comparison to other higher health players"
if time betwine releases will be 3-4 sec - you can get all you need if you 8th at hp

and value of components is 0.5 compare to completed item, probably higher. coz you take "random item". and from component you craft item you need

[sinful hornet]

it's way higher it's probably more than double the value to get a completed item vs component cuz u don't have to hit good rng on fuse, you have instant up tempo over the whole lobby and you might end up stuck on an item component unpaired for the whole game

[viral marsh]

i think this new patch more about synergys you got from "boxes" and dron augs, that about items

i can got 6 colosus, and i don't care you got 3 or 5 more extra common items

[spring basin]

Yeah I agree on this. There is also class emblems vs normal items which is a even higher diffrence in value.

[sinful hornet]

it;s not only common items, i saw components + emblems in the same carousel

[viral marsh]

yes, just saw bulwark/rog vs components. xD hard choice

[uncut comet]

someone down for testnet ranked ?

or playing with code : 5W87U4

[spring basin]

I'm down if we get more players

[uncut comet]

can ping u if some more join

[spring basin]

Yeah sure

[zenith mortar]

@wide aspen Updated the sheet you guys so you can go and see the augment combinatiojns

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/theboys-perfect-gif-23821319

[zenith mortar]

https://link.illuvium.io/Illuvium-Gauntlet-Public-Info

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-brooklyn-ninenine-b99-smile-gif-11928987

[mighty tulip]

testnet☝️

[ebon flume]

Test Net!!!

[mighty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-mike-myers-come-join-us-come-here-gif-4627161

[safe valve]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-tom-hanks-run-running-on-my-way-gif-9305363

[ebon flume]

You're IseeU right?

[zenith mortar]

Yes he is

Don't let him fool you

[safe valve]

yes, ser

[edgy bough]

Ranked 2/8

[fallen vortex]

How do people feel after day 2 of testnet

I was watching Paz's video and noticed that the timescale for draft deck is way off

was funny 🤣

It scales based on min possible health rather than current min health

[worldly remnant]

Ranked 2/8

4/8

[west musk]

5/8

so... why when we are in the ranked lobby we can't see who else is qeued?

just spinning wheel for each square

[fallen vortex]

If you could that could set an oddly dangerous precedent. Could dodge the pros.

Probably not a big deal cause at low numbers or high numbers its mitigated. But in the middleground its an issue

[west musk]

then change the ui... cuz it looks like a mistake

[fallen vortex]

Why when they are revamping the entire UI?

[west musk]

hopefully that changes thren'

[fallen vortex]

#🚰〕leaks message

Watch the first video thru to the end

[west musk]

7/8 someone join

[west musk]

yah looks much better

Will be nice when gauntlet is all buttoned up... I wanna see marketing push so we get more players. But I get it needs to be tip top first.

[fallen vortex]

The biggest thing to avoid is players coming in then leaving. Much harder to acquire them the second time (without a major upgrade)

[west musk]

for sure

[mental stone]

Anyone playing testnet?

[rapid berry]

Are the basic class buffs affinity for the whole team or for that class or affinity

[hot pond]

The basic class like fighter, bulwark and basic affinities like nature and fire apply to the whole team. But the actual units of those classes and affinities get the double values. So a bulwark unit gets 20 resistances while the non bulwark units would get 10 for example

[languid sparrow]

Arena on Mobile 👀

[safe valve]

! Testnet !

#💬〕testnet-discussions message

[languid sparrow]

Acces locked

[safe valve]

hmm... maybe check id:customize

[languid sparrow]

Which role ?

[safe valve]

it's probably " Testnet-updates "

but not sure

[shrewd stirrup]

hey devs, possible to please consider equipping weapons and gears by right clicking the icon?

[static crane]

Heyo Carablu, Thanks for feedback, but you better send it in-game with "b" button directly to devs

[spring basin]

Anyone down to play testnet?

[sinful hornet]

if u get a lobby ping me

[spring basin]

yeah sure 👍

[native mauve]

same here @spring basin ill be ready in about an hour

[spring basin]

Maybe we can get a game going at <t:1745933400> then

@sinful hornet

@uncut comet you down?

[safe valve]

might have time then too

[sinful hornet]

yea

[spring basin]

Nice! Then we are 4, should be abele to get 4 more ppl

[spring basin]

Creating testnet lobby: WTWHCQ @safe valve @sinful hornet @open ibex @native mauve

[open ibex]

coming in 2 mins

[safe valve]

just wanted to run out for a smoke... give me 4 m ins

[spring basin]

4/8

5/8

[native mauve]

1min

[spring basin]

@safe valve are you IseeU?

[safe valve]

yes

[spring basin]

Ok we are 6/8 then

[mental stone]

I’ll be there in 2-3 minutes

[spring basin]

7/8. who wants last spot?

[spring basin]

Are you dooomtest?

[tawdry sinew]

I am 🙂

[mental stone]

No

[spring basin]

hurry then

[mental stone]

Mine is still updating. You guys can go ahead

[spring basin]

we are 7/8

we can probably wait if it doesn't take to long?

[safe valve]

full lobby would be nice

[spring basin]

Lets wait a few more mins then 👍

[mental stone]

👍

[spring basin]

lets gooo

[mental stone]

It’s crashing

[sinful hornet]

but devs this is not acceptable wtf

[viral marsh]

i'l take this pengui, if you don't need him.

[sinful hornet]

We need more time on the rounds right after pve, like 10s or something extra

[spring basin]

+1

[open ibex]

Next lobby?

[tawdry sinew]

lot's of good things in the new version, the one thing that's a total failure for me is the carousel, I have no idea what is happening, just keep clicking and never get the item I want, I don't even know when is my drone released, I genuinely don't even know if we are supposed to get the illuvials as well, or only the components? it seems like out of 4 illuvials I think I picked up I saw 1 of them on my bench, no idea what happened to the rest...

[sinful hornet]

ye carousel if tft carousel was a 10 arena carousel is like a 2 currently, it's a complete mess clarity wise and even balance wise

[safe valve]

you can just pick one
there's a yellow hexagon arround your drone as time bar

but ya, it's a little whacky 😄

[sinful hornet]

but it should be easy to fix u'd assume, just get rid of teleports, fix the release period, balance should be insanely easy to fix just have every item be of the same category

we play one more or we done?

[safe valve]

i gota go

[open ibex]

Go host

[sinful hornet]

5T2646

if we get like 4 i'll do one more

[tawdry sinew]

sounds good in theory 😅 so it's just 1 illuvial per player per round? and we keep both the animal and the augment/component right?

[viral marsh]

2/3 games my drone spawn out of circle. at 1/3 he move with delay/lags

[sinful hornet]

same

this should absolutely not go live until it's completely polished

[safe valve]

ya

[safe valve]

ya mine didn't move at all after first movement in last round i played 😄
for sure some room for improvement/bug fixing

[sinful hornet]

on the brightside everything else in the patch didn't bring new bugs so with an increased timer after pve you could ship the rest live today if u wanted to

[open ibex]

Seems we don't have 4 🤣

[sinful hornet]

5T2646 if anyone wants to face 4 bots

[viral marsh]

start already?

[sinful hornet]

can remake

we're 5 with u

u want?

[supple beacon]

omw

[sinful hornet]

DDYJJN

[sinful hornet]

are you denoveli?

[native mauve]

nah thats me

[sinful hornet]

ok then we have 6

[tawdry sinew]

at this point I fail to see the point of this whole carousel feature, unless you make it newbie proof it just makes the already strong players stronger cause they will pick the best ones, and they don't need that - also, players with lower health are often strong players in the process of building up their teams and they will turn it around anyway

[native mauve]

i think its a good feature for normies. It gives a break in the play and you get to see illuvials walking around. Its a little bit of fun. Right now its completely broken but when they fix it up I think its a nice feature for the game

[tawdry sinew]

ok, I've never player tft so I don't know how is it when it works well, I will reevaluate it then 🙂 but yeah, as it is now, it just adds frustration for me

[native mauve]

yeah right now its completely broken just ignore it lol

[west plume]

Its the first itteration and hopefully when we have enough players people will be paired towards their own Elo,not like it is now where you end up with Slickz hollow and Web3gaming🙂

Which feels like this

https://tenor.com/view/superman-ball-ball-kick-gif-15177767

[native mauve]

mobile with 5k players, game changer!) lets get it

[west plume]

Localization for Asian countries and we can 10x that number👀

[native mauve]

cant wait for the Asian Slickz and Web3 lobbies! lol

[safe valve]

It's in theory a Catch up Feature where lowest health can pick first.
But the time ist a little short for the just freed drone to pick until Next drone gets freed

[sinful hornet]

if you're not gonna copy it exactly the way tft does it i don't even understand why you even have gates and unlocks instead of straight up pick from the pool based on position

with a mouse click

[twilit storm]

Localization and mobile can really turn the tide guys, I hope these two features come at the same time..and then

https://tenor.com/view/boomer-dhakslaka-gif-8910204572677111429

[zenith mortar]

TESTNET

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-assemble-will-ferrell-seashell-blow-gif-20525265

5CHQ4M

[languid sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-out-of-leaving-gotta-go-cars-fast-cars-gif-4673806499093220065

[ebon flume]

2 sports left

[dark scaffold]

testnet

• YTSP6C

[languid sparrow]

There should be daily and weekly prompts to motivate players to play Gauntlet mode, not just Survival mode.

[edgy bough]

mainnet ranked 3/8

[twilit storm]

@wide aspen hey ser, maybe ther is a typo in the "Gauntlet public Info" pls check it thx

[naive mantle]

what are people thinking of the new testnet patch? i havent had time to try it yet

[frozen tartan]

#💬〕testnet-discussions message

[languid sparrow]

Do we know the name of the rating tier for this range?

[twilit storm]

you mean yours?

[languid sparrow]

Rank Titles

Not mine but the data range

Like range 3000 to 3200 = " Rinkanor"...

[uncut comet]

i think slickz get only shown "error404" on his rank 😂

[twilit storm]

@spring basin rank should be SL1Ckz..period

[supple epoch]

6/8

[naive mantle]

I dont have access to this channel

[fallen vortex]

Hey @zenith mortar do you think the new patch will be on prod before the tourney?

[fallen vortex]

Wait how does Sota have double the tickets of Sl1ckz

[zenith mortar]

100% no

[fallen vortex]

Woulda been kinda crazy to destroy the meta right before, damn exciting!

[uncut comet]

it resets every week , this week sota played 100 and slickz 50

[fallen vortex]

Ohhhh right raffle is fortnightly

I completely forgot

[zenith mortar]

i mean im in

but others might not be

https://discord.gg/illuvium?event=1366948106603593838

[zenith mortar]

4/8

5/8

[noble hinge]

Main net 5/8.

6/8

7/8....almost there!

[native mauve]

Damn i want in tryna make it

Got there)

[hollow orbit]

If we play ranked matches during these 4 hours, will our points be automatically calculated?

[ocean geyser]

Jesus, I'm to bad on gauntlet, is there any advanced video or site that can help?

[open ibex]

Holy that 4 predators are scary af @noble hinge

[noble hinge]

Couldn't believe I got 2 predator augments. Amazing RNG. Too bad I wasn't better at placement but they carried me to a second. GG.

I think maybe I should have taken one off my Monkier and put it on Phorus when I rolled up to it. I thnk Monkier would have been better to put with the ranger?🤔

[open ibex]

Phorus definitely better than S3 Lynx imo, and let lynx tank some damage

[torpid trellis]

7/8

[native mauve]

7/8 ranked mainnet

[ashen mango]

I played a lot in the last 2 weeks

And Slickz didn't play that much

[sinful hornet]

I know this tournament format's already locked in, but this is legit the worst format we had ever and this is the biggest prizepool we've had, please consider having an actual competitive format for the next ones not a straight up coinflip into another coinflip

the raffle tickets draw is more competitive than this format

even this one u could somewhat salvage with at least top 4 moves into 2 lobbies top 4 again moves into finals, but the top 2 bo1 into finals bo1 is legit the worst competitive format i've seen ever in any game

[violet summit]

@zenith mortar @umbral oracle I have a few questions regarding the next tournament:

1. for the leaderboard qualification, if one player from the 16 can't make it, will the next player in line (#17 and so on) fulfill that spot?
2. regarding the sit n go qualifier, who can participate? And how do we apply? Just play ranked games and you'll automatically retrieve the info to qualify the best 16?

[low comet]

Nefer is grinding HAHAHAHA top 10 will change soon

[uncut comet]

haha yeah but takes ages never got more then +13 i think

[uncut comet]

i agree just saw that now , one bad rng / crash and its actually done

[sinful hornet]

no it's even worse than that, in any normal rng scenario you don't make it, you have to roll 10 heads in a row to make it

[cyan olive]

perfect, I can have almost no clue, but highroll augments or w.e. 2x in a row ^^

I just saw the sit n go is 1st = 8, 2nd = 4, 3rd = 2, 4th = 1, 5th-8th = 0
that´s tough as well, so you always have to play for first, which is giga variance as well

[sinful hornet]

u can't really

first is determined only by augments

[cyan olive]

so whole thing is basically super high variance thing, so that "anyone" can win

if that was the goal, well done tbh

what are those augments btw, asking for a friend

[sinful hornet]

adaptive blightfire

[cyan olive]

I just bribe @zenith mortar to give me those augments every game, lfg!

[rapid berry]

Is there a place where i can see all illuvials omegas and general abilities

[safe valve]

https://illuvidex.illuvium.io/my-collection

[ashen mango]

I just used Hollow Repressor VS Hollow

It didn't repress him 😭

[sinful hornet]

bugged

[ashen mango]

It doesn't work?

[sinful hornet]

didn't do what it says

maybe works on different hollow

[fallen vortex]

Wait finals is bo1? Omg rough

[sinful hornet]

that's better than the knockout

the knockout is bo1 get top 2

[fallen vortex]

It's not great but I can understand the time constraints. But yeah grand final should always have some depth.

[sinful hornet]

i mean it takes 1 extra game to give it like +300% the competitivity

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I agree, but I see this first tournament as an initial test.

[sinful hornet]

yea but then why do u want it over as fast as possible what are u testing

[sinful hornet]

I do have to say tho the fuel for whole top 32 is pretty nice so that's a big thumbs up

[cyan olive]

Assuming it is intentional, it makes it more „lucrative“ high variance low time commitment for people to look back at Illuvium after they left.

I think of playing eg, as even if I have little clue what’s going on, like you said I can get lucky augment 1-2 games

[sinful hornet]

but i think it's literally only u

[cyan olive]

Maybe, idk who else this could apply to

I can ask Smartass xD

Idk what the take from people atm is that play like 15/week into log off or how many of those exist

[sinful hornet]

top 3 became that

[cyan olive]

From a make a somewhat competitive tournament pov this is obv very bad.

[sinful hornet]

on average top 20~ is playing like 30 games a week

[hot pond]

IMO being lucky in the shop with weapons and hitting the actual units that should come once a player having most of those units dies is more important or at least equal to getting the right augments

[sinful hornet]

weapons are overated all u really need is a 1 star tier 1

[hot pond]

If you hit behemoth with sear and jotun it wont matter if they have blightfire

[sinful hornet]

ye but if you have shit items u're never getting to lvl 8

[hot pond]

Unless you hit the units before the others. I had double blightfire yesterday and lost because my bulwarks were mostly s1 and couldn’t get better tanks before the rest

[viral marsh]

some weapons change your game. and you get weapon lvl2 in half of games only

[sinful hornet]

yea, but even if u hit perfect weapon if u lowrolled items u're still fucked

if u hit adaptive or blightfire 1st legendary u guaranteed top the game with 1 star weapon

[viral marsh]

i lowrolled now, and get 2nd. but i got both weapon i need

[hot pond]

Idk man Templar weapon does a lot I feel like

[sinful hornet]

u hit jotun in somewhat weak lobby

templar's the only weapon that matters

[hot pond]

Or the behemoth shield 🛡️

[viral marsh]

i hit him at the end. half of lobby play with him

[hot pond]

If you hit chip or sear / jotun

Most of the time I can’t even find 3 shields

Until the very end

[viral marsh]

it's what i talk about weapon stage-2

and if you take 1st legendary behemoth, and after roll 70 gold and can't hit stage 2 shield at lvl5 - what is it? unlucky?

[hot pond]

New testnet patch has even more coinflips and RNG when the synergies stay as they are. You can shit on all the augments all that matters is hitting the right composite chips that fit for your team and lose if you get random composites that you can’t use

[viral marsh]

who got better legendary? 1st or 2nd place? i think 2nd place have better, especially with adaptive 1st.and fast templar weapon. but he still lose.
when this bonding come to us. can't wait more. 1-1.5month?

[hot pond]

Behemoth > legendary augments

Adaptive doesn’t do anything if Goliant dies in 3-4 hits from behemoths

And he got leviathan fury and the 50% def reducer. Actually really strong

[sinful hornet]

yes, but he got a free top

[viral marsh]

new patch soon. no more random with legendary. random with chips you got. let's go

[sinful hornet]

random with both, and now more bad drone augments

[viscid otter]

Is there a link that shows all the augments?

[frozen tartan]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_g_zQRvHB45MxPhCdUJ_bh9acK2A2hfYhJ79RslFsm0/edit?gid=1046061526#gid=1046061526

[viscid otter]

That’s very helpful, thank you so much for sharing!

[frozen tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-ariel-donald-duck-dance-gif-24343483

[zenith mortar]

1. Yes

2. Just play ranked and win in the 4 hour window

[ashen mango]

Does a Grokko with higher AS genetic generate more energy than a Grokko with lower AS genetic in Leviathan?

If I understand correctly all illuvials generate 10 energy per sec and they generate more when their AS increases during the round but I don't know if the AS genetic bonus is calculated before or after the round started

[sinful hornet]

autoattacks give energy so the faster u attack the faster u get energy

difference between a 3 AS and 5 AS squizz when i last tested was cast about 1-1.5 second faster

[ashen mango]

I see thanks

[turbid osprey]

Stats dont count as baseline so yes it matters for energy

[ashen mango]

So AS is the best stat for pretty much every illuvial except maybe some exceptions that prefer omega power

Or nevermind I forgot that tanks prefer hp and res

[sinful hornet]

for tanks it's not that relevant cuz they basically autoattack 3 times before ult either way, for carries it's basically u can't win with 0 AS vs 5 u'll get run over

[ebon flume]

quick test net anyone

[zenith mortar]

YS9KVD

New Code

@noble hinge

Testnet

[noble hinge]

Kind of wondered why no one wanted to play as soon as I showed up.

[zenith mortar]

@ebon flume doesnt know how to use the game because its not localised

[zenith mortar]

6/8 ranked testnet

[native mauve]

7/8 ranked testnet

[west plume]

Ranked testnet

[west musk]

7/8 ranked main

6/8 🙄

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

testnet ranked

[west musk]

Next one 😄
main just started

[ashen mango]

Well played @lean ivy
What a battle

I couldn't get my Umbre

1st time I get to lvl 10 in months

[lean ivy]

ya I'm a little sad I lost that...thought I had it

Ahhh lv 10 with enchanter 😦

Brutal

[ashen mango]

True I forgot that enchanter scales with nb of units

[lean ivy]

Ya I had 4 templar and 5 bulwark nice coumnter

[ashen mango]

I wonder if my energy items would have been better on Ghazotep then

I put them on Octius out of habit

[ashen mango]

Getting such synergies is super fun 😁

[lean ivy]

Testnet: 8EGEJW

[lean ivy]

Starting in 6mins

[fallen vortex]

Hey does anyone have a database of all the augments in Testnet?

@stiff helm is this is a thing I could acquire for a video? pleaseeee

[frozen tartan]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_g_zQRvHB45MxPhCdUJ_bh9acK2A2hfYhJ79RslFsm0/edit?gid=1046061526#gid=1046061526

[olive hedge]

Winnie for Council!

[fallen vortex]

Is this up to date? I thought there was supposed to be 60 or something? And this doesnt say which combination makes them up

[frozen tartan]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_g_zQRvHB45MxPhCdUJ_bh9acK2A2hfYhJ79RslFsm0/edit?gid=1085157877#gid=1085157877

Is this what you were looking for?

[torpid trellis]

7/8

[torpid trellis]

7/8

[halcyon nova]

If i can ever get him on da board and keep him safe expect trouble

i got higher tpi but need a training gym to level up them guys 😉

[uncut comet]

uhhh that a reeeeeaal bad man

[uncut comet]

-29 for 5. is crazzy , got never more then +13 for 1st even with people in lobby who had hundreds of elo more idk didnt felt so garbage in tft

thats 3x 1. place +1,5hours to compensate 1x 5. place and its not even that easy like in other games to play against people who are lower elo cause everyone is forced to go the same build and knows the most "tricks" already

[cyan olive]

TFT doesn´t have such big mmr gaps outside of top 10 players or so, if someone 2k lp goes 5th they would lose a lot as well.
When I played HS-Battlegrounds e.g. 4th was minus for me and for the ones bit higher on the topend 3rd at times was minus, because the mmr gaps were huge.
TFT forced the +10 for 4th at some point as well, that´s when people started to get the 2k kinda crazy numbers, cause they just didn´t bot 4.

TFT and HS one though have more agency obv, so people keep getting super far ahead of others in most patches, when there is more than 1 op thing.

These matchmaking mmr things are super tough on low playerbase games, either you force some similar +-number, then people can play a lot and climb infinite or you have the setups, where at some point being unlucky 1 game needs X amount of wins to make up for it.

[tropic forge]

Extending rewards and keeping leaderboards / Elo system as it is is a big mistake . I losed 3 games on 5th place on a row yesterday . This Game is not about skill or knowledge or unit positioning or anything , it's about who actually gets the most broken build.
Right now Elo's just a number , any player that knows the game and the broken builds has almost the same posibility than you to win. Also , they get more MMR and we lose like 3x. Game ' s unplayable with these conditions.

[hot pond]

I had a match where we were 5 people from top 10 and I still got the same points as usual. +7 for second place

[cyan olive]

Did they disclose what system they use?

[hot pond]

And -38 for 5th place 😂😂

[cyan olive]

This sounds like it takes the lobby avg or something, which is still low even with 5 good players and has some low threashold to trigger low gains, seems fucked

[tropic forge]

Yeah, for anyone with 1900+ elo, it's almost always same winning score , +7 2nd; +13-15 1st place.

[uncut comet]

yeah i understand that just feels like a dead end for me to play like that ( the only things which could help in my mind atm are more frequent patches so everything gets mixed up again and people who understand quick get rewarded )

[hot pond]

Never seen more than 13 for me at first place

[cyan olive]

yeah I agree, same reason 1v1 felt so shit to que games when I was above 2k

would get +3-30

[tropic forge]

Yeah ,also u have much more Elo than me. Perhaps thats the case

[cyan olive]

unless you knew the new op thing and others didn´t, you could only lose

[uncut comet]

thats also crazzy 😂

[tropic forge]

Well, another dead week for arena ... Zzz ... I was really hoping they pause for some Days ,and reset with a new balance patch at least...but carrying with this , nah ... Not interested

[uncut comet]

yeah but i need to say the realtime positioning switch now makes for sure a big difference

[cyan olive]

Did they ever say why it isn´t a more low playerbase quantity focused system, with less big differences between +- due to elo?
Would make it that people who play more get more advantage, but at least you can que without feeling bad for 5th

[jolly whale]

As a top 100 pleb I'm kinda enjoying not having 3 of the top ten in every match!

[cyan olive]

I wonder if this just becomes apm check or coinflip if people just let go last sec on a unit e.g., it is like future sight every game.

[jolly whale]

No hate to the truly skilled players, but as a more casual it was kinda painfull doing 3 games in a row with foxspirit holo and slickz

[hot pond]

Just counterpick all the earths against hollow and you’ll win 😂

[cyan olive]

Question isn´t matchmaking, but if they should get super low points and lose infinite if this happens.

Also top 100 kinda high in big playerbase games, usually top 200 players in 8+ palyer lobbies get matched vs top 1000 +-

[jolly whale]

Its really just a player base issue, need more people

[tropic forge]

It was like a fixed system at the beginning of the season , but they put this crazy system to avoid top grinders keep climbing ... , at least on fixed numbers. Reality is that they helped top players get unreachable score , becuase they got that score 1st week getting +25 from every Game , bots included.
I don't really blame top players or the benefits they got, just feel like decision making in this Game is horrible , as it is carrying with the broken Game as it is , broken leaderboard and keep giving rewards based on that

[cyan olive]

Yeah Hollow mentioned that to me, part of why playing seemed uff, when it was grind all day meta into super high scores.

[jolly whale]

I spent about 4 hours grinding to go from top 60 to top 35 earning 1-7 points a game.... then came up vs a stacked lobby finished 6th lost 2 hours of work

[tropic forge]

I feel 0 motivation to keep playing like this , perhaps that's just me

[uncut comet]

it has for sure some coinflip to it , but there are so many things like stuns , items which do damage in a area , carries move to the right place if consider everything into the positioning at least some units will be on the right place to counterplay

[cyan olive]

idk, my take from the beginning in 1v1 and of gauntlet, was that leaderboard topheavy rewards always shit, cause if you do the grind heavy system, playing all day is needed, if you do e.g. current one feels super shit to press que button as it is just net negative mmr

should just have more flat rewards

[tropic forge]

Yeah , but when a broken augment / lucky OP build counters your skill and unit positioning,is when You Wonder if this Game it's worth taking seriously on current state

[cyan olive]

and the grind heavy system, but then people don´t need the 10h/day stuff

[uncut comet]

thats another story was just referring to viper , just meant the positioning really makes a difference in most of the times

[cyan olive]

yeah, I am just bit cynical on it, as in like TFT below Master you outplay everyone on positioning all the time easily, once they start to be reasonable players and also move, becomes bit coinflippy at times.

[tropic forge]

Of course it does. But laughable enough,i ' ve been beaten by players that put their 5 bulwarks on same spot all Game and win every round 🤣. I search for elo and it's like 1100... They just do what they see others doing , and it works , because is OP and broken.
Anyway ... We will not be seeing changes anytime soon , ill be taking some Days to free my mind from dumb gameplay

[cyan olive]

Question, would less top heavy rewards, but mmr system that doesn´t make you feel bad for loosing hours of progress with one 5th be better?
Because I understand system change is just cause rewards, not because people were unhappy with the smaller range of gains and loses?

[uncut comet]

for me personal 100%

[tropic forge]

I honestly think we should make a Elo Reset, game balance (fix the broken stuff) and Start with a new "season" for 4 weeks. I don't see new patch on testnet being ready in little time , it needs a lot of improvement

[cyan olive]

I think game balance always sounds nice, but will be super hard.
Should for sure reset, question is kinda what system after I think.

[tropic forge]

Also fixed Elo system applies more to current Game/player mentality and doent punish you for getting a 5th and throwing hours of effort away in 1 Game

[cyan olive]

(I do agree I often didn´t get how some things made it into live patch)

[uncut comet]

its cause of rewards , if u would have asked me i would have waited like 2 months more with the rewards but i can understand the point to gather data for improvement , i really would like to grind 24/7 but some things can be really frustrating to keep going

[cyan olive]

yeah reality in web3 atm is you kinda have to pay your starting user base to get reasonable amount of players and better feedback.

I think flat rewards are better for that though, not like this is worth the time of actual gaming pros to farm atm anyways.
(fc some low income country grinders will hate me for this comment)

[bronze spire]

what would more flat rewards look like? Ive always thought this too but not sure how it would look

i think the elo system is working well for the player base. Other than it feeling bad to lose more than win

i lost 80 elo in 2 games yesterday and its not luck i just made bad decisions

if this wasnt the case it would just be purely grinding more hours than others

[cyan olive]

Would be interesting to see some data on if people who got X kept playing 15 games or more next week to find good numbers.

Could do top X% brackets, and have a minimum for the max? or all bracket sizes, like either top 2% or 25 people? top 10% or 50? 100?

Or super simple e.g. top 100 rewards 100-51; 0.8ILV each, 1-50 1.2ILV e.g.

[cyan olive]

Yeah that´s true, but the more casual player pov on this is more negative in general, they wanna play some amount of time and see progress, not stagnation or 1 game making few good ones disappear.

Major games also do this in the mid to lower elos, 50% winrate let´s you go up usually.

Things like ranked floors etc. also exist for that purpose.

[bronze spire]

oh I see so people in lower elo are experiencing similar thing

[cyan olive]

from the chat above yeah, but lower in low playerbase can be still top 100 etc.

I will prob only play some again with the new basic TFT features, so can have the low elo climb exp then myself 😅

[cyan olive]

mmr diffs are just super huge in lower playerbase games, so lobbies for others in top 50 or 100 or 200, are like chall vs master (or even dia in low playerbase servers like OCE) lobby for them as well, even though they aren´t top 10 e.g.

speaking more broadly on low palyerbase games and mmr systems in general here

[wide aspen]

Just want to hop in quickly to clarify some stuff:

1. The rating system that we have in place is in place for a long while, way longer than the latest reset. We have changed it from "Fixed" to "Adjusted per lobby average" a few months ago, and the last reset was 4 weeks ago.
   1b) What we did change after a week was the banking system - yes we made it harsher, we reduced it from 2100 Rating to 1800, but people that were above 1800 grinded daily anyway so it's exactly the same as if they were on old banking system. This had zero effect on players that play at least one match per day.
2. The current rating system helps lower-skilled players. One of the reasons there is an adjustment, just like in most if not all serious competitive games, is because it is harder to win against a higher-skilled player (and easier for them).
3. Another reason is to keep numbers in check. If not for an adjustment, players like Sl1ckz would have over 20k Rating, while other players with an average placement of 3.5-4 would be around 1200-1300, even lower.
   We currently have players around 1600 rating with an average placement of 4+. With a fixed system, these players would be under 1200. While players like sl1ckz would, again, be well over 10k.

Some players did make new account and reached top25 in under 60 games (with an average placement of 2.42, so not even THAT crazy).
This proves that a good player can climb on a low number of games, as long as they consistently get a good average placement.

It is a whole different world when you beat a really good player vs when you beat someone that stayed afk the whole match, and it has to be visible in the rating.
Honestly, a "Fixed Elo" system would only benefit the amazingly good players, not the lower skilled ones - because they are the ones with a crazy average placement per match.

[cyan olive]

To be fair the argument isn´t about what´s best for competitive integrity, but what feels better for majority of people.
Those don´t always align for casuals, because mmr number go up or rank go up aren´t necessarily same.

Not saying "go change this" but interesting topic to me, as this is common theme in many games.

[wide aspen]

But would it feel better for a casual player with an average rating of 3.5 to have 1400 Rating while top sharks are at 17000 Rating?
Versus now when the average casual of 3.5 has 1600 Rating and top sharks are around 3000

[cyan olive]

There is more to that than avg placement as well, matchmaking impacts this as well.

[wide aspen]

Yeah that is sadly a consequence of a low playerbase - it will feel a lot better when we get more players in

[cyan olive]

Also fixed could be in a range, not same for every lobby and adjust within boundaries to players.

I assume there is a formula that would get the example result above or "better".
And allowing people to surely quantity rewarding, but not get this "day of progress gone from 1 lose feeling"

We had the same in 1v1, was pretty unfun to play for many when they needed 80%+ wr to not lose mmr and sometimes some variance of the game or unlucky matchup rekt them with no agency.

Fundamentally playing a lot is always rewarding anyways, as at some point in e.g. current system used you just play for hit winstreak and hope other guy doesn´t hit same one.

(Also an 8 player-lobby issue anyways, hard to get balanced games obv)

[spring basin]

You argue that what feels good for the player is important, and I agree with that to some extent. However, I often see people in chats saying it’s "impossible to catch up to the top," even if that’s not actually true.

What would happen without games that include high negative points? I’d be sitting at a much higher score, as Meko mentioned, which would make it feel even more impossible to catch up. It would also incentivize even more grinding, making players who can’t play as much feel like they have no chance to climb even if they wanted to.

The reality is that we have a small player base, so there’s no perfect solution. Given that, I think the current system works well with what the devs have to work with. In my opinion, focusing on balance and new features would lead to a much more positive outcome.

[cyan olive]

That’s why I asked above if people are annoyed at this catch up thing cause rewards or ranks or mmr.

[spring basin]

Does it change the scenario, though? We’ll either end up with even larger point differences and more games required, or with a system where more people have a chance even if they can’t put in 12+ hours every day.

The one thing a flatter system might help with is giving a sense of progress, but if that kind of system truly worked well, wouldn’t it already be the industry standard?

[bronze spire]

currently feels maybe 10x better in terms of agency compared to 1v1 imo, especially considering only need top 4 to protect yourself from any loss

[cyan olive]

TFT forces +10 on 4th and minus 10 on 5th.
Most games gives people mmr until they reach some rank when being 50/50 all the way more or less.
Ranked floors exist, protecting the visible mmr compared to hidden in many games.

So games do use some inbetween of wanting to cater to people and give positive feedback for playing, while wanting to balance that not anyone can gain infinite mmr/ranks at some point at least.
Some games will let you go positive for 50/50 at highest ranks even when you face same mmr opponents.

So yeah question is what is the avg guy in this hyper casual web3 space happy with, mmr number go up? rank go up? rewards skill heavy, quantity heavy, combination?

idk I could mostly relate to what people complained about above

[frank moon]

5/8 lets get playing instead of microscoping a game with 50 DAU

[bronze spire]

at work 😦

[frank moon]

I was actually inviting the noobs, not the people that keep slapping me

[sinful hornet]

it's apm check on testnet it's last second swap like in tft when u could hover unit on enemy board on live, idk why they changed it

[cyan olive]

nah, can still do that in TFT
it´s how I free win most games I recently played xd

[sinful hornet]

this isn't true, at 1400 we already started getting +13 +7 +3 +1

[sinful hornet]

no i mean why they did that on testnet

[cyan olive]

ah yeah

[bronze spire]

probs a live game going will fill once people drop out of it

[sinful hornet]

but positioning in this game is kinda a joke, literally every time we had a broken team they had both rogues and cluster punishers, so u literally have no counterplay to something

[cyan olive]

hollow what are op items and units, I clicked play

[sinful hornet]

grilla and loura op units, adaptive and blightfire op items

[cyan olive]

I do like that TFT became very front to back, without these giga punishers

[sinful hornet]

the meta's 5 bulwarks with either templars or rogues and empaths

[sinful hornet]

ye me too, rogues have almost always been pure aids

[cyan olive]

Wish making it more front to back was tested here at some point

[cyan olive]

yeah I wanted them removed since over a year ago xd

[sinful hornet]

but they made even rogues acceptable in tft now

[cyan olive]

there is only 1 item, that makes a unit rogue for 8 sec and then teleport back

[frank moon]

we're a couple months away from millions of tft players coming in and riot asking us to partner for beyond wave 5

[spring basin]

TFT forces the system on lower ranks yes, but that leniency fades at higher tiers. Isn’t it somewhat similar here? Lower ranked players generally gain more points for a win than they lose for a loss. They get + points for top 4 and lose points for bot 4. It’s only once you break into the top 50 that the negative points really start to sting. Of course, it can vary depending on the lobby.

[bronze spire]

imo rogues are in a good state right now

[cyan olive]

and that item is gated behind augments

[tropic forge]

Not throwing shit at anyone, not saying u don't deserve ur spots at leaderboards, neither u climbed with bugged stuff. U guys are definitively the top players, but system right now is broken, and started as something and ended totally different... , useless, and not rewarding to play, neither for top players or newcomers.

[sinful hornet]

ye because the meta's complete dogshit

i had patches where i was playing 10 hours a day with no rewards cuz the game was fun

[cyan olive]

This is the low playerbase difference, someone rank 50 or 100 here feels shit compared to you, while someone emerald in TFT feels like they got to a decent point.

[bronze spire]

what rating are you now?

[tropic forge]

Yeah, this is what i'm talking about. I feel like dogshit after a game, empty, idk.

[sinful hornet]

they're in a terrible state, vertical rogues are unplayable and splashing 1-2 rogues is broken