🎮〕illuvium-arena

[edgy flower]

Don't avoid Psions 😡

[wicked cloak]

when is the next reward distribution, and should we have gotten the ones from last week?

[edgy flower]

Night between Wednesday and Thursday (for my time)

I hope hotfix means at least 3.5 sec, or even back to 4 as it was, coz core problem was immune forever by bird, and now it's gone

[noble radish]

Those all seem like pretty complicated solutions that take a lot of time to onboard.

Any other suggestions? (I have my own favourite, just want to see where the community is at)

[west quartz]

the easiest i have would be forbid the use of the same type of weapons

so if a team uses a gun, the other 2 can't

if a team uses a sword, the other 2 can't

[wicked cloak]

what are yours?

[calm steeple]

Same affinities not allowed, but same classes are maybe? not sure how to account for ranger weapons though. Cant have 2 frost decks but can have two invoker decks.

[west quartz]

imo the ranger's weapon is usually the core of your build (either as main carry or to give the synergy your main carry needs) so i assume it's the easiest way to force different teams

[granite echo]

Decks can't have the same name 😁

[noble radish]

You could make it so that they must be fully unique

[west quartz]

are you into this because it's the easiest to implement or the best way regardless of how hard it is to make happen ?

[noble radish]

I didn't even say I was into this. There's lots of ways to do it. I just want to see how the community feels. If I tell you what I want to do, then you won't think about other options as seriously.

[west quartz]

main issue i see about this are augments. for example 2 carries can rely on attack speed augments while being completely different comps

[noble radish]

And I really do want to know how others are finding it so that we can make it the best.

My preference si something that is easy to teach people.

I'm looking at all sorts of ideas to increase the feel of the game. The good thing is that now that most of the tech is built (minus full IMX passport integration and ONE more thing to speed up development) we actually go much faster.

All the core systems are built.

So in any case, hit me with ideas. Preferably things that reduce the complexity of the team builder part.

I can't be in your shoes, so it's great to get your outside perspectives.

Unless you mail me your shoes. Then I can wear them.

[west quartz]

Making them fully unique illuvials/weapons wise seems good to me but i think you should make the augment usable in all teams.

[west quartz]

but i don't know how complex that is

[calm steeple]

probably dont have enough illuvials and augments atm for this to be reasonable

[wide eagle]

I think an easy solution would be to expand the team slots by 5-10 and then introduce 5 bans-stage in the beginning.

Idea would be to build a deck that can go multiple ways and players ban what they don't want to see against them.

The exact numbers can be tweaked

[cursive echo]

I can't play anymore..

[cursive echo]

I restarted the machine its working now

[granite osprey]

need us good idea

[winter dagger]

everyday of this patch just gets worse, now its frost stack a corner and hope your units take the longest to run around and hit the others carries, jeeeesus

bring on overworld asap

[edgy flower]

Ppl choose 2 decks (can be the same or no, nvm) and q with them, after you find a game you see 2 enemy's deck and choose what your deck are you gonna play now. And if there is fine balance without overfrosting then could be good without any complicated restriction or ban

[west quartz]

hahaha yeah i've faced this subhuman too

[winter dagger]

think im better off uninstalling until this shits over with making me hate the game and hating that i put so much money into the project honestly not good

[west quartz]

aaron said a hotfix is on the way so we just have to wait until they deploy it

[winter dagger]

oh thank fuck thats good news then

[west quartz]

i think we should pin this message

[lean ivy]

Really apprciate this. I don't have any ideas I would feel great supporting right now but here are some of my thoughts on a draft/ban mode.

I could see a huge draw back for some players who need to have several teams. I personally love building the teams, but feel like a lot of people don't have the time and will just ask for team links.

I think if we go down this route of drafting whole teams. It may be good to have publicly avaible teams to download(highest wr, highest play rates, etc...) I'm sure these will be provided eventually, but could help reduce the barrier for casuals, at the cost of the top tier players wanting to keep thier teams a secret

Other path is individual bans:
Stuff to consider in a ban/draft maybe multiple rounds an example:
1.) ban 2 illuvials
2.) Ban 1 augment
3.) Ban one weapon

There are so many possibilities. I think there could be a balnace somewhere in here, but it would require a lot of testing i'm sure.

@noble radish what have y'all tested already? I really want to hear what you think is the best.

I'll try testing some ideas in privates. Maybe @edgy flower can join me 😉

[safe valve]

Not sure i Like Ban Stuff of the enemy Deck. It makes a already complex game even more complex. You need Deep understanding of everything (augments illuvials weapons) to know what you should ban in the enemies deck, and your own Team building gets way more complex since you need to have replacement stuff if this or that get banned in your own team..

For sure it would be nice for the top percent, but the casuals are Like "err OK ban this this and this, hopefully he needs it.... Fuck that bastard banned this and that of my deck and now i get obliterated"

[lean ivy]

I'm sure casuals will get beat by some unit or synergy and the next time they play they will make sure to ban what beat them. I think a ban system would make it so players would stop complaining about how x unit or x syerngy is too strong. Like every patch drops and people instantly start crying about how this is meta and its stupid.

Unless we can change that narrative we need to impliment a way for player to ban the stuff they hate. Then hopefully it will be more positive.

But thats all in theory. It may just shift complaining from having to ban S tier units to complaining about A tier units. idk

[safe valve]

Wouldn't it just shift to variable Teams are the new meta? Like you don't care too much what gets banned because the Deck ist very versatile. But Deep builds Like 7 earth or water get totally wrecked, because you either have no carry/Tank replacement since you wanted to go full water, earth or whatever

[granite osprey]

wen payday anyway?

[lean ivy]

Ya that may very well become the meta. Not sure if it would be better or not 🤷‍♂️

[cursive echo]

I agree I don't like the idea of banning

[worn thicket]

I'd personnally be very sad if this is indeed what you're aiming for.
I remember 2 years ago when i bought into illuvium after you said quote:
"We want a deep strategic experience with Esports at it's core, I want that when we watch people play the game, they draw lines on their monitor like you see Chess GrandMasters do"

I think there is a big issue right now in the team not listening to the right demographic to make their decisions. This intent of making the game even less decision-based cuts from the overall skill expression and fun of the game. I know you receive a lot of complaints from people who can't win, because they say the learning curve is "too steep" etc etc.

But those are just not the target audience.
Our target audience to play the game, and the target audience to buy the token have always been two very different demographics that just ever so slightly overlap.

Now imagine this.
Let's say I start play Call of Duty now. How many times in a row do you think i'm gonna get roasted before I eventually start winning a game or two? How much time would it take me to get to a decent elo?

Getting good at any game takes time and commitment. Otherwise we're killing the fun for everyone. Please reconsider the direction, right now game needs complexity to:

1. avoid boting. The actual version of Arena is incredibly bot-able. If you give anyone your deck with your build order and some very small tips/hints (like full backline when you see a blazenite to unpack their comp) and that anyone will be top100 in the current state of leaderboards if not even higher. And those instructions aren't hard to code in a bot or give to a scholar.
2. We've got already plenty of comments mentionning that right now the game is more Deck vs Deck more than Player vs Player. This is not the healthy state we're aiming towards to be called Esports.

Please reconsider before you make the game even easier than it already is. 🙏

[cursive echo]

thank you @worn thicket !! yes 100%

just need more balance between the alluvial

[bronze spire]

I think it should always be a goal to reduce the barrier to entry for people and if the deck builder is appearing to be the biggest one its not a bad thing to try find solutions. But i agree the integrity of the complexity/competitiveness of it needs to be a priority

[noble radish]

I think you misunderstand my point.

When I say to reduce the complexity I don't mean to take away meaningful decisions. I mean to take away the ones that just overwhelm people. We're basically looking to do what you're saying.

I've been pushing the team hard to increase the power of hyper so that in a match you can combat your opponent no matter what build they choose, and ALSO making it take far less time to build a team.

The game has always been mean to be EASY to pick up, HARD to master.

Right now we arent' there. By making it easier to pick up I'm not trying to make it harder to master.

[bronze spire]

I still think 4 player round robin is a good option. I think its one reason people go back to tft even if they arent winning. Better for casuals and more skill required at the top end

[solar axle]

Guys, what's the best frost list you have at the moment?

[bronze spire]

5 bw, 2 frost, 2 behem, 2 mystic (sorry cant link it im at "work")

[solar axle]

ok, np

Can anyone here from chat send me a list of frost pls?

[bronze spire]

i have one linked in my latest youtube video in the description

play that or take out the 2 rogues and add bulwarks

[worn tree]

Exquisite news @noble radish. Increased deck slots and a draft system are great implementations to increase skill cap, game variability and fun.

As to my proposals, here I come with something very quick I just thought:

I realize why you want to reduce the team builder complexity as it becomes a barrier to many players that just want to play the game. In the current society, most people doesnt have the will to spend much time designing good decks. If we want to have massive adoption, we need to sacrifice part of the chess niche and go with something more hands on and interactive since instant 1 in the arena experience.

2 proposals:

1. this one doesnt reduce team builder complexity:

I propose a system in which a deck has, say 40 slots. Out of this slots 8 illuvials, 3 augments, 1 weapon and 1 armor cant be banned, the rest of the deck is bannable for the other player.

Each round each player gets to ban one card from the other deck.

2. This proposal significantly reduces team builder complexity, but also changes the concept of the game a bit harshly:

In the team builder you get to select 8 illuvials, 3 classes, 3 affinities, 3 composites, 5 weapons and 5 armors. In game, each 2 rounds a betting phase will appear containing 2 pools of 10 illuvials of different costs based on each player decks. Now, as in the augment betting system, each player have 10 tokens to bet for the illuvials of both, his pool and the enemy player pool. This way both players get to cancel potential illuvials for the enemy team and strongly bet for illuvials they want in their team.

The illuvial pool presented on the drafts should be a pool linked with the actual collection of that player, so only illuvials matching class, affinity, composite and also possessed by the player will appear. If the player doesnt have 10 illuvials of that type, tier 0 will appear.

[solar axle]

okay I'll take a look

[worn thicket]

I agree,
Hyper should be more meaningful than it is right now, without being the only win-lose factor. At the same time, I feel like we could win from having it's range slightly reduced to make it more something that is positioning based rather than what opponent has "the most".

What I don't understand is the concern about "time to build a team". Because what is happening and will just amplify as we get more and better content creators is that people just copy each others. This is common in any team/Deckbuilder game. Look at Pokémon Video-Games tournaments and they also play mirrors very often for that exact reason that's why it's a meta.

In the end, building a good team or Deck is one of the hardest skills in such a game to get. It requires to crunch the numbers pretty hard and understand the game deeply at it's core in order to build something even barely playable. It's just normal imo.

But you were initially asking for ideas to make the game more accessible and i have one i've been discussing here and there already a few times.

What about we divide all prices by 5 and make the movement/sell cost a flat number based on their Tier?

As the game is right now, it is deeply mathematical. In many instances you are like:
"Ok so i sell my 55MP Cardulox which gives me back 75% of it's price rounded down (41) so that with the 140 i received this turn and the 15 unspent last turn i can play Titanor, Gnarl and a 20MP armor ranger."

This kind of maths are completely out of reach for a large portion of the population and are imo an unnecessary barrier.
If we do this, not only the math becomes more affordable because it has smaller numbers and there is no % calculations but it also doesn't change anything in the decision-making.

Planning a well thought team that makes the best use of their MP at every turn also becomes easier and I think that would be a first nice step for the issues you're trying to solve.

[bronze spire]

yea I think hyper is already what can win you the games, dont make it stronger. I agree reducing the range is a great option

[worn thicket]

For moving/selling what about something like a Lesser grokko who used to cost 25, now costs 5. costs 1 to move and 2 for selling back.
Same calc for Tier 1 because their price is so close from T0 price.
and from there the rule is:
Price to move = Tier
Price to sell = 2x Tier

(just a suggestion) but that makes it easy to calculate and still keeps the general idea that decisions come with a price

[lean ivy]

If you can lock in a whole team of 8 illuvials it could defeat the whole purpose of having a baning/draft mode. its just an extra step. I think it would have to be a lot less. Maybe 4 illuvials 1 weapon or something could be locked in, even then like in the current meta you could lock down frost and basically be able to process a bunch of different ways.

But also the whole pool system seems like a lot. you are basically making the team building aspect directly implimented into the game. I'm personally not a fan.

[bronze spire]

the problem is you cant just make a fun deck and have it work in a 1v1 when people are playing meta, its kind of reserved for the ultracompetitive to come up with the best decks. In round robin there is so much more room to create and bring something fun and try catch people not positioning solely for you. Eg invoker and psion could be competitive in this meta if the other 2 frost players are postioned and built for each other

it also doesnt feel as bad coming 2nd, 3rd or even 4th compared to losing 1v1

[west quartz]

wouldn't pushing hyper have the opposite effect ? like if you have a fire based team, it would be even more impossible to win against an earth based team. and it would become far more difficult to make team builds because you probably would have to weigh the tradeoff between puting more units/augments or having to take both element version of each composite affinity illuvial

[worn thicket]

No what's gonna happen is that you gonna get rekt by 3 people at once instead of 1.
Also, the round robin thing asks way more work and adjustments that i feel like we can afford at this stage. I'd put it in Ideas for after launch personnally.

[bronze spire]

how will they get rekt if they dont put down vanguard units? psion would win

[lean ivy]

Ya I do agree with you here. The other aspect is who are we trying to focus on. TFT player or card game players? TFT players don't want to spend a bunch of time building a team. And last I knew we are targeting tft players.

[bronze spire]

round robin is arguably less work than what is being proposed. Dont change anything other than have 4 players in the game

[lean ivy]

I'm not saying I want the round robin just that team building should not being increadibly time consuming or difficult

[bronze spire]

good point. I guess im not thinking who to target, im just thinking round robin is successful for a reason and is way easier to balance

[noble radish]

Only with the exact current iteration. There are other things that will make it better. But also think about it like this:

Let's say everyone "Knows" frost is best. Then someone picks Nature and because of hyper beats the crap out of them. So then someone says I'm not going to pick Frost, and now they pick something else.

There needs to be some interaction with drafting to pull the decisions INTO the game, but we're working on them.

[noble radish]

We already have ideas for multiplayer (4 or 8) for after launch. You're right that it's unrealistic to get it done before launch.

[bronze spire]

well the problem right now is they can counter anyone trying to use hyper against them by bringing variable tanks since the range is so big to nulify hyper

[noble radish]

I'd say we are targeting both Autobattler and TCG players. We're something of a hybrid. TFT players don't want much deckbuilding so we're looking at how to reduce that. I think it's a double win though. We can take complexity from team builder and move it into the game itself and everyone wins.

[noble radish]

Totally agree. And it's why we are doing a patch. I'm just saying what we are looking at to solve these things long term.

[bronze spire]

perfect

[worn thicket]

And what about the Divide all prices by 5 with flat numbers for sell/move i suggested above? is that more in line with what you're trying to achieve and time we have at disposal for iterations? #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[bronze spire]

was thinking you could just have augs auto available and not part of the deck building. So only have to pick illuvials and ranger gear. The perceived complexity will be much less

[lean ivy]

I do like that idea also. at least having flat numbers instead of percentages

[bronze spire]

also agree. though i dont do the math, i just do it and see if it works than change it after haha

[winter dagger]

Theres some really basic stuff that would help new people without ruining the skill expression too.
When you place augments it shows you the range of them on the actual hexpad, instead of just saying "30 hexes"
An actual tutorial going through how the game works (I understand its Beta but cant believe thats something thats not there yet)
Non-competetive mode where you can just play without MMR - once again im sure its coming but probably should already be there by now as theres live rewards - this would also stop lower ranked people having to play against smurfs with their main account.

Think theres a lot of easy wins to be had hopefully sooner rather than later

[lean ivy]

I'm hopeful there will be tool tips or other visual features for the "30 hex" issue in thefuture.

But for your other comment there is casual mode and survival mode.

[winter dagger]

you have to have a link for casual dont you or is it queueable now?

[noble radish]

I wasn't specifically looking at reducing how hard the math is but we can take a look at it. I think as long as we give feedback on what they will get as a refund then it's pretty ok. There's ALWAYS going to be some math in games, and having no nuance in your actions is probably not the right way to do it.

[noble radish]

I think this is most people and it's fine. I also don't calcualte every line when I play chess. "Does this sacrifice work? Meh, probably. Let's do it!"

[bronze spire]

yep im with you on that haha

[bronze spire]

from a dev point of view is moving to round robin a huge change or not as big as it sounds? i'd stop mentioning it if its out of the question in terms of it being possible. I think grant said its something you would consider if all else doesn't work

[noble radish]

When you place augments it shows you the range of them on the actual hexpad, instead of just saying "30 hexes"

We have more board UI coming.

I understand its Beta but cant believe thats something thats not there yet)

TFT took 4 years to get a tutorial (they still don't have a PC tutoria). Ours in in progress at the moment. They aren't easy. And the earlier you do it the more out of date it's going to be.

Non-competetive mode where you can just play without MMR

We have casual.

[fallen vortex]

Then I'd make it 2 teams and 1 ban

[fallen vortex]

send me the address

[west quartz]

nop

[noble radish]

Definitely an option. My preference is your opponent should be able to ban some of your items, and then either you have more items in a team, or you can pull some new stuff in.

[noble radish]

Definitely an option.

[west quartz]

if you both have the strongest possible team in the meta and it's counter, then you're making a coin toss on will we have a mirror or will i insta lose/win

[bronze spire]

agreed and its more teambuilding needed

[fallen vortex]

I like this a surprising amount hahaha

[noble radish]

I live under the Druitt St overpass near the Imax. I have the nicest cardboard box.

[fallen vortex]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[worn thicket]

so with a Side Deck kind of thing? And if so, would you be able to ban something from the side Deck as well?

[bronze spire]

hahaha thank you

[noble radish]

This is something we have considered. It is a big impact to the economy though since they wouldn't be part of what you find in the overworld.

[lime cloak]

Maybe it would be an option to split Augement out in the teambuilder 🤔
So you will have a "prebuild set of augments" you can select for your team... so lets say you have 3 Augment templates you can choose for your team. so when you build your team you select. (just a random number)
20 Illuvuals + equipment
8 Augments
Might be easier for new players, so just pick one of the prebuild augment sets... and propabbly also for experienced players. (I usually end up using the same set of augments for my teams, with one prefered for dps team, one for caster, one for tanky team).
could be debated if setting a limit to number of augments vs. illuviams/equipmnet is good or bad... but think it could work fine.

[worn tree]

Absolutely.

[worn tree]

Yes, qol uxui improvements are much needed. Just as in hyper range, we need the same for all other effects. Small-mid-large areas or # of hexes are to vague or too unfriendly, respectively. Why not just say the number of hexes but also add the visual effect so that players see the ranges of that illuvial on placement and also which illuvials are within the effect with some visual distinction.

[worn thicket]

What if instead there were just no Augments in decks, and they were all obtained through bidding? So maybe in some instances there would be just no augments on board if let's say both players keep canceling each other, but that would be easy to explain, hard to master and adds decision making in the game

This also means players would have no way to guarantee their Best in Slot Augments for their Illuvials and potentially force them to implement pivot options in their Team.

To take an example from previous patches:
Would Phosphorus/Bloom have been such an issue if they couldn't guarantee their Nano Sequencer augment every game?

Let's say every round there is a bidding phase, and rounds 1 and 4 there is a Legendary Augment Bidding phase like we have now. Wouldn't that be a way? Obviously Deck sizes should be adapted to such a format down to something like 20 cards imo

[cursive echo]

gg @lean ivy

[lean ivy]

gg 🙂

[lean ivy]

You like the behomth snake 😆 pretty nasty stunning every few seconds

[cursive echo]

haha yes good choice

[worn tree]

40 slots

3 bans on game start and one after each round

[worn tree]

I like this idea

[cursive echo]

@west quartz I'm stressing

[sacred finch]

You can ban 1 synergy from your opponent, every illuvial from this affinity/class gets banned or maybe that synergy just doesn't give his effects in that match but you can play the illuvial for his other synergy and his body and omega

[west quartz]

don't stress over rng

[bronze spire]

Not going to lie I didn’t even consider you had to find/make them in overworld. That’s super cool. I think once overworld is out and you have to capture/buy your deck the team builder wouldn’t be an issue for people if they have already gone that far. Could do that idea for now until the overworld integration

[west quartz]

i'm out

makes no sense anyways

we played 6 games

3 win 3 losses

0 skill involved

perfectly balanced rng

[edgy flower]

Let's just pray for hotfix asap 🙂

[cursive echo]

beautiful rng

[west quartz]

you mispelled disgusting

[cursive echo]

do you play anymore? I meet no one..

[west quartz]

nop

i've played 12 hours straight

97% of mirror matchups

i'm done with this sh*t until we get a patch or i'll lose sanity

[edgy flower]

Join the Psion team and lose with the dignity of not playing frost xd

[west quartz]

there's no dignity in psion lmao

[cursive echo]

rng

[west quartz]

plus it's also a 50-50

you either guess correctly which corner or you don"t

[cursive echo]

lost lol

[worn tree]

Good one!

[wide eagle]

No need to overcomplicate the draft/ban phase guys.. just expand the team slots and give 3-5 bans which can be anything, illuvials, ranger equipment, augments and that should be enough and simple to understand yet effective

[fallen vortex]

You cant use things you have never found. But if something is in your wallet, its available

[fallen vortex]

I'm inclined to agree, I am no TFT expert obviously. But if you happen to get RFC and a 2 star of a specific champ then u basically guarantee top 4. Our augments are almost having the same effect just with no rng

[gritty wren]

next to the biggest IMAX cinema in the world? i live close to the second biggest imax cinema in germany 😭

[noble radish]

There is a hotfix coming. But for free elo just play the team that beats it.

[edgy flower]

I tried 10 diff decks, for now you just can't beat frost, free elo was for my opponents

[cyan olive]

pls tell me which one that is, I only have about 70% in mirror, need few wins for rank 1, thank u

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-marin-anime-marin-takigawa-my-dress-up-darling-gif-25990288

[edgy flower]

So just hope the coming means today in a few hours xd

[noble radish]

Patch might not be today but if not, definitely tomorrow. It will include an increase to team slot size.

They are trying to deploy now. A bit rushed so not always seamless.

[edgy flower]

Can we know how exactly frost looks like after the hotfix?

[cyan olive]

we can pray it still beats 7 psion

[edgy flower]

No 🙂

Works every 3/3.5/4 sec, maybe apply cut from 1/2/3 to 1/1/2

[noble radish]

Cold and shiny.

[edgy flower]

Btw if all ppl will start to play 7 Psion, then I will switch to some counter to that xd

[cyan olive]

...

[worn thicket]

Yeah that's pretty much the thing, maybe not with that specific item but yeah you got what I meant. In TFT even though something would be broken, you can't guarantee you'll be playing it every game or that you will have the optimal conditions to play it every time. That's the kind of variance that allows good players to shine more than other as they will do on average way better out of less optimal scenarios.

As Illuvium is right now, you can guarantee your optimal scenario every turn so adding this kind of variance would help both to the game replayability and skill expression.

[west quartz]

btw @noble radish would you consider cutting in half all the omega cast time ? from a lore/realism perspective i get that it makes sense to take 3 seconds to cast a heal or any other ability, and it's a key component when playing a moba/mmo to cancel a mage casting, but it's when we can time it. In this game where we have no controle on when things happen, having a key ability randomly canceled is hella frustrating

[noble radish]

We want some of them to be longer for that reason. Those ones should be more powerful. There's no lore reason for longer cast times. It's just that we want some variation so it doesn't feel monotone.

However there shouldn't be any that are really long, and also very binary where the power is overkill. It's a fine line.

[worn tree]

Excellent, thanks!

[west quartz]

will you at least tell us what was the team after the patch ? tried empath, invokers, toxic, mud, berserkers, slayers, magma, verdant colossus, full psions, inferno full fire, nothing worked

[worn tree]

There is none. Do you think Aaron has had the time to test this? I bet he was friendly baiting us. Frost is so strong that there is no possible counter that doesn't contain frost itself.

[noble radish]

I bet you are friendly baiting me.

[worn thicket]

Yet some people have found things that beat frost and climbed with it.

[worn tree]

[edgy flower]

They find the best frost team lol

Otherwise while climbing enemies should copy this counter deck and start also climb, but there is only frost

[worn tree]

Brother, not a single time since patch (actually I lost once to hetbonhe new psion deck, but after adjustments I never lost to him again) have I lost a game vs any team that wasn't playing frost. So please, enlighten me.

[cursive echo]

@west quartz news team ^^

[west quartz]

last one i didn't try yet

[worn thicket]

i mean i heard u were doing alright skipping the first 3 turns into blazenite

[worn tree]

Frost is not unbeatable. A perfectly played frost is indeed unbeatable unless you are perfectly playing frost yourself. Then it is a matter of rngeesus. If this is untrue, prove me wrong.

[cursive echo]

not very effective...

[worn thicket]

I think Frost who transitions later into Colossus Invokers is more scary than Frost itself

[worn tree]

LOL, I said it doesn't contain frost man. Frost + Colossus is a derivate of frost. Invalid attempt.

[cursive echo]

ranger vanguard carry (invoker-1)

[grand bluff]

@molten arrow Never emote too early 😂

[worn tree]

In the current patch, imagine an AI playing frost vs an AI not playing frost at all. After enough deck iterations to place some counter techs in, the AI playing frost would never lose. I am 99% sure of this.

This is the level of OPness Frost - Behemoth - Jotun have right now. And this was forecasted since patch notes came out.

[edgy flower]

No, for now it sucks, maybe after the fix it will be a decent combination

[lament frigate]

Just came back after a few weeks break (hoping new patch would be fun). Well my hope was for nothing. Absolutley the same thing just this time frost and not terrorbird.

[worn tree]

@fervent crescent good games brother 😉

[lament frigate]

Not even funny playing this.

Truly wondering who's making these patch decisions.

Terrible.

We're getting not closer to mass adoption but more far with these type of course we're heading atm.

But what do I know, as none "pro-player". Well if Illuvium wants to play in a niche. Good luck!

[worn tree]

Disagreed. The patch was a net positive, it's just frost - behe dominance is eclipsing how good the patch actually was. The team already is aware of the issue and are trying to hot fix frost OPness today or tomorrow.

[worn tree]

Augment directions is on right track, although they need to implement non-linearity on cost escalation for all augments.

[lament frigate]

Just taking the mmr system as an example. As newbie getting stomped and losing in the first loses over a 100 lp ... well haha, yeah that motivates a lot to keep playing and trying out xD

[worn tree]

Composite nerf was generally on spot other than bloom. And frost - behe - jotun were clearly overbuffed. I agree with you that the team did a terrible work not anticipating this. But hey, we are all humans.

[lament frigate]

Oh yeah we're - but isn't Illuvium calling itself the forefront of web3 gaming. There has been more then enough time to finally release something which makes fun to play and brings people back into the Illuvium universe (retention).
But so far I haven't seen anything else then delays and none funny patches.

[worn tree]

This is what placement games are used for and this applies to all ranked systems. If you are gonna critize make sure you are founded.

[worn tree]

Ok, I feel like you are taking this a bit personally against the DAO. maybe this is not the actual channel to discuss this.

[lament frigate]

Nah sorry, not this way. Espcially if your game is as complex as Illuvium arena. And if your telling me - go for normals ... well I waited 5 minutes and haven't found a single match.

[edgy flower]

Can we double click to ranger suit or weapon instead of wasting time trying to drag and hit his little hitbox among other illuvials? Xd

[worn tree]

Normals need more playerbase to actually get quick runtimes. This is early acces dude, get some perspective.

[cursive echo]

@bronze spire gg you surprised me

[lament frigate]

I give nothiing about this DAO or the past once. What has been truly accomplished besides delays over delays and bashing Illuvium land holders?

Not anymore.

[bronze spire]

hahaha keep it a secret please

[edgy flower]

You find a strong non frost comp?)

[cursive echo]

don't worry!

[bronze spire]

still frost 😦

[lament frigate]

Oh yeah and not to forget, they getting paid how much for doing what exactly? 5k a month per Council member? Well good luck with runway.

[worn tree]

😂😂😂

[bronze spire]

well kind of

[trail edge]

A weird question, but does Tier 2 + Tier 3 illuvial of the same line count towards affinity or not?

[green thorn]

hey guys 🙂
to be honest i dont get one thing. i played caradulo, carablu and atlas at the beginning of a combat into field (all with bulwark).
but i only received 2 x bulwark - why exactly?

is it because carablu and caradulo are in the same "line"

*from the same line

[trail edge]

I think it's this. Although it's weird because the Team Builder seems to count it, but the in-game UI doesn't.

[green thorn]

yeah thats true. when i check there i realised i have "more" of some synergies then in game

[cursive echo]

very good strategy

[worn thicket]

Council pay comes from a different pool than actual runway And even if it was, we currently pay close from 1M$ in salaries monthly. 25k won't change anything don't you think?`

I get your frustration about delays etc. I've been there too, don't worry. And the game right now is in fact not in it's best state, which is why the team is working on re-works and a hotfix is coming to make this patch more playable.

Now a question for you, what else can we realistically ask for in the current state?

[worn tree]

Any illuvial from the same line won't count twice on a given trait. For insante, if you play Atlas and Axodon, you get 4 bonus, water, bulwark, tsunami harbinger. Because these are 4 different bonuses. However, if you play Atlas and Axon, you will get bulwark, harbinger and water, but just one water as despite both having water affinity, they are from the same line.

[worn tree]

Check my message above

[trail edge]

Is the teambuilder somewhat wrong in that it does count them then?

[worn tree]

Yes, teambuilder can be improved in this regard.

[trail edge]

How much difference is there between Tier 2 and 3s anyway? Functionally?

[worn tree]

Stats, affinities, omega impact, size and cost.

[trail edge]

Yup, but I guess like.. would 2x Tier 2 generally be able to beat 1x Tier 3?

[green thorn]

thanks guys for the answers 🙂

[trail edge]

Stats wise it seems like 2x Tier 2 is much stronger.

[worn tree]

That depends on many aspects, such as hyper, other affinities, augments, placement, etc.

But yeah, most of the times they should win as the raw power is bigger, but the MP cost will also be bigger.

[trail edge]

Hmm okay thanks.

[bronze spire]

hahaha i messed up

but you also not surprsied this time

[cursive echo]

I know you now xD

[hot pond]

I am literally stuck in a fight which bugged out completely without a result. I cannot reconnect or surrender the match.

[cursive echo]

@bronze spire gg!

[bronze spire]

gg hahaa

[cursive echo]

a final of a big tournament was filmed for youtube I hope

[bronze spire]

I did film those haha

[edgy flower]

So he finds a way to win the 1st match by surprise, and then you just know how to counter it? Cool to climb by 1 game per 2h, but that it ahahah

[west quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/a-wins-a-win-theo-campbell-the-challenge-world-championship-a-victory-is-a-victory-ill-take-any-win-gif-16112383496582529246

[cursive echo]

no because he can make changes at any time so it is very hard to predict similar to Russian roulette

[bronze spire]

nope

[crude dragon]

i have no interest in playing with the meta as it stands

[trail edge]

There is no meta at 350 ELO

[crude dragon]

ouch. i am 370 elo thank you

rude

[trail edge]

must be why I haven't seen the meta yet 😄

I'm 20 points shy!

[crude dragon]

game changer

[trail edge]

At some point I should actually probably just copy a deck rather than splashing around like a newb

[crude dragon]

feels about the same at the moment so keep on keeping on

[trail edge]

I'm waiting for my wife to download it so we can custom 😂

I don't know if it will run on a macbook air though.

[crude dragon]

just know that to counter frost. you use frost but position differenty

[trail edge]

I learnt this even at 350 ELO.

Does anything actually beat a Turn 1 Jotun w/ binding to make it 2x frost?

Also what is the mastery curve?

It's not just a flat 100 per round is it?

[crude dragon]

a jokull bonded and a earth doka

[crude dragon]

no its 100 for the first 2 rounds

[trail edge]

Ok. Scoriox got a video on it. Nice.

[cyan olive]

it is 100-100-120-140-160-180-200-200...

[trail edge]

Stolen from Scoriox video 😄

[cyan olive]

yeah I thought of damage formula for a sec

[trail edge]

What is this damage formula you speak of?

[cyan olive]

mastery points of things that win the round + 70 round 1-4, +10 5 onwards

that´s how much damage you take

[crude dragon]

is there a light at the end of this frost tunnel? I get balancing is very challenging but this is a one sided meta right now

[trail edge]

Oh dmg to the 1000 overall hp you start with?

[trail edge]

Do you think this is something that can be figured out by the meta?

Or is it definite actual imbalance?

[cyan olive]

aaron said hotfix today or tmr

[trail edge]

How long did it take you guys to properly understand ILV Arena?

[cyan olive]

I haven´t found anything that would beat jotun 5 bwmystic team early rounds, don´t think it exists

[crude dragon]

I am closing in on 350 elo real fast so dont look at me

[cyan olive]

tryed a lot even but even overtime/heal teams lose once ranger weapon is upgraded

[trail edge]

Haha. Did you actually drop yourself down to 370?

I feel like understanding of the game and positioning would keep you above 750

[crude dragon]

nope i am like i have always been no matter the game. good enough to get myself into trouble

[trail edge]

What does a 'good' deck actually look like in ILV in terms of breakdown of cards/tiles ?

If you were teaching a newb what their deck should look like.

[worn tree]

Yup, it's impossible pre round 5

[crude dragon]

best to follow viper on the youtubes

there are others like web3 gaming tv who also do well to explain things at a high but understandable level

[trail edge]

Awesome. Thanks.

[vivid stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYj8S-1PmOk

[grand bluff]

@tidal arrow U stuck in game too?

[cursive echo]

a lot of lottery the first 4 rounds ...

[outer sierra]

yep...

one of us has to surrender

[worn thicket]

I mean they told u hotfix is coming somewhere between today and tomorrow so 2 choices:

1. you wait
2. you play knowing it's a known issue being currently fixed

In both cases i wouldn't complain 🙂

[outer sierra]

dm me

[marsh bloom]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[uncut comet]

1minute q and i get qued against 450 points less and nearly lost cause it was prob smurf ohman thats scarry

[elder ore]

that new undo button cost me lot of lost rounds. please place it somewhere else

[hot pond]

I literally cannot play anymore because I am infinitely stuck in a bugged fight. So annoying...

[junior geyser]

#❓❓〕support

[hot pond]

No response yet unfortunately

[bronze spire]

pretty sure someone has to surrender

[hot pond]

I've been trying to surrender for like 20 times now but I get a 500 server response error. I cant even play another account because its auto logged in.

[bronze spire]

Oh that’s fucked

[hot pond]

Yep. Super fked up.

Also tried reinstalling the game but the account is still being auto logged in

[trail edge]

Lol, that isn't ping being shown in the bottom left corner is it?

[calm steeple]

ping and fps

[trail edge]

That can't be server ping right? Local lag?

If that's server ping, they are next door.

[calm steeple]

not sure what kind of other ping it would show

[trail edge]

O_O

I'm getting 8-10ms.

[sacred finch]

my game got stuck after winning a match

frost freezing even the game

[teal fiber]

ggs, yeah its messed up on my side as well

[sacred finch]

ggs

I surrender and the game got back for those who are stuck, -20 points in a win 🤦‍♂️

[teal fiber]

I restarted and reconnect and everything was broken, then I restarted and tried to surrender but wouldn't let me.

now its back...

[worldly token]

do you guys see a pattern when the game freezes? to find the cause of it

[dark scaffold]

hey guys, could you make bug report when you encounter this issue again 🙏 (press "B" while in-game)

[sacred finch]

i think it's because i surrended, then the match was ended

[sacred finch]

i did report

[dark scaffold]

for how long you were stuck not being able to surrender/recconect?

[teal fiber]

not sure, I closed and restarted the game pretty quick to try something else

[limber path]

Did the first rewards payout already happen?

[teal fiber]

First time I restarted, I clicked reconnect, it got me in but the ranger was alone on the battlefield with no UI. The second time I restarted, I wanted to select surrender, but I guess Grimaldi had did so before I got back

[formal crown]

yessir

[sacred finch]

i didn't close the game bc i saw this earlier, after waiting for like 3~5 minutes i clicked surrender and the game ended

[formal crown]

another one coming in a couple days@limber path

[limber path]

Damn, then something went wrong, my wallet still empty

[sacred finch]

not this surrender, the one that shows ingame when you press esc

[formal crown]

Give them time to import to ILV into peoples accounts

[hot pond]

I think too much time passed for me already. Should have surrendered some mins after but I didnt. Now I am stuck

[hot pond]

Is it possible to kick out my logged in account from serverside? I literally cannot do anything for hours

[limber path]

Where do they payout?
On imx wallet or do they send the ILV to the connected eth address?

[worldly jolt]

What happened in DMs? Did guess make some promise so you'd surrender?

[dark scaffold]

no unfortunately, you can log out urself from your side and play on your|| (officially and correctly marked 🧐 )|| alt account if you have any and play till the session is over

[hot pond]

The issue is, that my account is auto logged in due to the remember me thing

[dark scaffold]

use this magic string in your file explorer %appdata%/../Local/Illuvium/ and delete the save folder, it will reset every setting for you (including autologing setting)

[dark scaffold]

did you make a bug report? if not, could you do that before you delete the save folder? (use in-game reporter while on the reconnect screen)

[hot pond]

Yes, I had made a bug report previously

[hot pond]

Is there any magic string to get me out of this stuck match? 😄

[dark scaffold]

🪄

that all i can offer for now 😅

[brazen quarry]

[hot pond]

I wonder if my opponent has the same issue

[dark scaffold]

thru the in-game reporter? Can you provide me with the ticket number?

[hot pond]

I don’t know about the ticket number from the ingame reporter but I had also made a support request where I have the ticket number #20337

[vernal forum]

I just finished catching up on last night's conversation.

I suspected that there was something we haven't found yet that counters frost - or to be more accurate with my words - I suspect the Illuvium team believes there is something that counters frost. I doubt this is the case and hope to be proven wrong, so I can learn.

Also, thank f'in goodness they are increasing the deck slots... in the future can we get simple, obvious, quality of life changes in a couple days (or at worst weeks) instead of months?

[sacred finch]

Here we go again

[wicked cloak]

yeah im stuck as well

[sacred finch]

I full swapped my team on turn 7, when the game started all my augments disappeared

and then the game got stuck

[hot pond]

In my case, half of my team just disappeared when I full swapped and then I got stuck 😂

[sacred finch]

it solved early when i surrended while stuck

Second time in 2 hours, next patch waiting room now

[vernal forum]

3 thoughts I have that might improve Illuvium Ascendant Arena slightly:

I'd add economy back into the game, ala survival. This regression made no sense to me from survival to arena and still doesn't. Adding back MP economy does not make the game more complex for beginners, because they won't even notice it's there. But, it does add another layer of - "easy to learn difficult to master" and adds more player agency. This is an obvious win/win in my mind.

I would remove the MP level hard cap at 200. Rounds would now go 100, 100, 120, 140, 160, 180, 200, 220, 240, 260, etc. This also increases player agency late game without complicating things for newbies.

I'd focus more on people balancing the game, instead of AI - if that's the issue we're seeing in balance results (and player FEEL) - I would make this change immediately. This patch has been an objective failure in terms of balance and I'd like to see the team fix whatever caused this before the next patch (before this hot patch even). For player retention, it's important that we start seeing a more positive player experience post patch.

[sacred finch]

maybe the bug has something to do with swapping, doing too many actions os something like that @dark scaffold ?

[wicked cloak]

will i lose rating if i ff?

[edgy flower]

Yes

[wicked cloak]

hmmm, doesnt seem very profitable, does it ever resolve?

[edgy flower]

No 🙂

[wicked cloak]

oh, what if the other person ffs?

[edgy flower]

Then you press FF and no lose points xd

[wicked cloak]

wait so you both lose points?

oh, i dont lose points

grimaldi did you ff yet?

[edgy flower]

Just the one who FF first

As my experience

[edgy flower]

Skip 3 first round incoming then 🙂

[wicked cloak]

but yeah, it seems to happen when someone does a super big switch, like grimaldi switched from all psion to frost and then it bugged out

[vernal forum]

Well, yes, this is already a pretty viable strategy - but, I've long maintained that moving/selling unit cost is way too high. I would bring moving/selling unit cost down to a level where we see balance between playing on round 1 and waiting to play is how I would tweak this.

[dark scaffold]

so far looks random, you loose connection with the server (for whatever reason) and you doomed ^^, cannot connect to the session again, our QA will be checking this and try to reproduce it (thats why its important to make reports thru in-game reports, its giving us little bit more info, and QA guys have some starting point to investigate)

[grand bluff]

I reported. same issue.

Couldn't resolve the issue until I voluntarily surrendered 🥲

[dark scaffold]

this one is little bit different, some ppl can not surrender/recconect for a long time (but we investigating both)

[wicked cloak]

@sacred finch have u ff yet?

[haughty lintel]

So are we eligible to receive rewards for our alt now that we can't play on main?

[turbid osprey]

Hearing you guys im very scared to play again now

No way i would surrender

[sacred finch]

No, I just stopped playing for today, second time this happens in a game that should be a win.
You barely win on overtime while the game removes 5 normal and 2 legendary augments of mine and still you are waiting for my main account to lose points so you can keep your smurf account points, guess we play again when the team solves it

[wicked cloak]

I mean it took my augments as well

but gotcha

[haughty lintel]

@vernal forum what is funny about my question? I am stuck in a game for more than 2 days and who knows for how long my main will be unplayable

[distant lintel]

Hello, is there any news about changing Bears meta any time soon?

[edgy flower]

for me its 3rd time swapping from psion to frost and back

[granite echo]

Can i play, or the server has problems?

[sacred finch]

Can you guys implement something like “if the match doesn’t ends in 30 minutes its a draw and both players stay with the same mmr as before”?

[distant lintel]

Too many polar bears per square inch overloaded servers

[granite echo]

Can i play guys? Is the game freezing?

I dont want to lose points from bugs

[sacred finch]

The first reasonable counter to the meta and then this happens

[distant lintel]

Is there some news on meta hotfix soon, or that is just hopium?

[edgy flower]

im still lose more then win with my swap comp, but maybe you have better one xd

[sacred finch]

Maybe bc I was at a pretty bad rank when I started using it

[vernal forum]

I was maybe being insensitive and I certainly apologize for that. Also, I sympathize.

I stopped playing on my main account this week because I got the bug that everyone is talking about and it cost me a win of about +12 elo and I actually lost 26 on that. That was scary enough that I haven’t played on it again.

Again, I apologize and I empathize with what you are going through.

[dark scaffold]

have you tried to delete save file and try to connect to your main?

[edgy flower]

today or tomorrow, but with this bug appear everywhere not sure if this is correct

[haughty lintel]

Yes, i did it before i wrote a message here just to be sure

[edgy flower]

im barely gold 3 now, so : D

[haughty lintel]

It's the sam for Smartass, we are in that game together

[granite echo]

@worn tree you online?

[worn tree]

Yes

[granite echo]

I ain't no liar

[worn tree]

No you are not, but the placement of the units is suboptimal. So we can't reach any conclusion here

[granite echo]

Yes, i just said that in my games i don't lose with this. True, i play in lower elo

[haughty lintel]

No need to be too sensitive either, it's not that big deal, it just made perfect sense to me that if the error is not on my end and i am unable to play on it for long time we can take my alt as main until it's fixed 😄 .. It doesn't relly matter this week but we have no info for how long this can last

[cyan olive]

sear is 50/50 turn 1 vs jotun I tested it a lot

sear wins if ranger hits ranger, loses if hits sear

tldr

most of the time outside of crit/dodge rng cases i guess

[granite echo]

I played this a few times before going for the meta deck (i hate playing meta) and i saw that it did a good job, thats why i put the problem to the better players 😁

[sacred finch]

Would be good to know the answer

[distant lintel]

You chose to not play your main, there are others that chose to play their mains.

[haughty lintel]

Are you aware that there are people who are unable to play their account due to bug?

[distant lintel]

and conviniently they are able to play their smurfs where they don;t risk anything in this silly meta

[sacred finch]

Not even worth arguing if you

Hope you get stuck too

[vernal forum]

How to Play Frost

The complete guide to all things frost/behemoth by SODA | HYPE

Wave 1 - Play Jotun and bond with ranger sword - Jotun is either air/water and the ranger should be the other of air/water so you get the frost composite with Behemoth.
Wave 2 - Add 3 bulwarks - I prefer either Scarabok and 25 earth 25 nature grokko or Headi 25 earth 25 nature grokko
Wave 3 - Add some more bulwarks - players choice I guess. This is getting kinda dull.
Wave 4 - This step is vital and what makes the comp somewhat unkillable. Add adorius and Greater Aapon.
Wave 5 - And all subsequent waves - This step is also vital - Take your face and press it gently onto the keyboard and with a rotating motion, roll it from right to left and back again until you win. Repeat while laughing your way up the leaderboard. Be sure to laugh menacingly at any idiots trying to do literally anything else in the game.

With my proven method - you are guaranteed a 100% winrate against all decks that aren't frost behemoth and about a 50% winrate in the mirror match. Results may vary, but if you implement my faceroll strategy today, you will easily outperform anyone trying anything else. Don't forget to smash that like button.

[edgy flower]

you should post link to deck for this guide i think

[vernal forum]

Advice is free, but the actual decklist costs $50 per hour.

[wicked cloak]

well seeing as it is my second acount ill be nice and ff

[sacred finch]

Thx, when i get back home I’ll check if it unstuck on my side too

[wicked cloak]

hetbonhe didnt seem to think so, but he said as long as the other person ff then you can ff too and win, but when i ff it gave you positive points so idk

are there any sites out there with illuvium lore, symbols in game and such

like the overworld

[worn tree]

Wow Soda, thanks. Now I know what I was doing wrong. I wasnt putting enough faith in the faceroll strategy.

Many thanks 🤣😅❤️

[vernal forum]

Easy to learn - takes a lifetime to master.

This is silly and nonsensical. Just remove from game imo.

[worn tree]

This nerf didnt make much sense tbf. This, the bloom nerf and the frost-jotun-behe overbuff are my main issues with last patch.

[vernal forum]

My sentiments exactly and it was obvious from just reading the patch notes. Thank you for dropping those early. Then, confirmed in the first 2 games played. I am open to joining the balance team in an official capacity, fyi. I'm a huge kyle fan as well. Something could use some fixing somewhere.

For my own mental health... I'm done until the next patch. I wish all you troopers the best of luck!

And finally, an open challenge to Aaron - you play your "deck that beats frost" - I'll play my frost deck. Best of 5 - 1 ilv to the winner (I'm poor and this would constitute a massive investment for me).

[gritty wren]

@noble radish

[zenith mortar]

A patch is coming to Frost and Polar Bears

[hearty sleet]

Thank you. Every game is a coin flip in OT now

[zenith mortar]

@fallen vortex said ppl dont like patch notes early though... sooo will give them soon....

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-11098413

[hot pond]

Hopefully the patch will allow me to get out of the stuck game again or address this annoying bug

[zenith mortar]

So youre still stuck in a game?

even after saved data delete

[hot pond]

I am stuck since 8 hours. Yes

I am getting a 500 server error response when trying to surrender

[sacred finch]

he was lying, we love patch notes early to have time to theorycraft

[elder ore]

Early patch notes are okay for theorycraft, but it has to be clear that its not deployed yet

[sacred finch]

Well, who doesn't like can just don't read the patch notes 🤷‍♂️

[west quartz]

LIES

give us the notessssss

[cyan olive]

iip to ban scoriox?, witholding our patchnotes

[vivid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/ojas-rn-angry-eating-funny-gif-26828688

[dark scaffold]

come on @zenith mortar, i am curious as well, where are the patch notes, what they did to the poor bear 👀 skinned alive or just a small haircut 👀

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/help-me-cat-cats-tiedup-gif-26435735

[vivid stirrup]

did we get any confirmations on how smurfs are being handled at the moment? can only the account that got rewards last snapshot get some in this snapshot?

[elder ore]

I saw some people who though its already live and they used new team comps. I am not against early patchnotes, it about communication

[west quartz]

kieran said they were tracking your main account and it's the only one able to get rewards

[worn tree]

Can we have the patch notes please? 😳

[vivid stirrup]

wonder how the main account gets selected, by the name or the number of it

[west quartz]

they probably look at the first account you had active , that which you minted your illuvitars or plot land with etc

no idea how but kieran said they did track it

i'm guessing they had the time spent on game, the history of renaming etc

[granite echo]

Anyone else not being able to enter the game?

[sacred finch]

3rd time today, this time it wasn't a full swap turn so i don't know what could it be

Also surrender not working now

[sacred finch]

always on turn 7 btw

[cyan olive]

is there any fix? do I press surrender as well?

[west quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-sneaky-side-eye-gif-14219375

yes

[cyan olive]

I did, did nothing

maybe bug is arance lynx turn 7 or so?

[edgy flower]

no it happe to me while i play psions / frost

[west quartz]

exit game

[cyan olive]

same for grima

[west quartz]

when you relaunch

[cyan olive]

so your psion comps faul

[west quartz]

click surrender instead of reconnect

[sacred finch]

🙂

[sacred finch]

didn't work here, still getting the "wait server response"

[tame prairie]

What is difference between grit and resolve

[hot pond]

Looks like this issue is persistent now

[stray gull]

Data Export of the top 3000 Ranked Accounts > Remove Ineligible Accounts by Matches Played (Weekly and Total) > Data Science Pass to Remove Smurfs (various methods) > Manual Pass to Remove Smurfs > Top 1000 Ranked Eligible Accounts.

We will be look for an Account PazIlluvination1 with a connected L2 Wallet that meets eligibility criteria.

[vivid stirrup]

awesome! thanks for the insight

[west quartz]

wait so i can create anyaccount rn, name it Style 1, link a wallet and it becomes my main ?

[stray gull]

Sure, you still need to complete the requisite number of games per week as well as the total games played at the account level.

[sacred finch]

Kieran said we couldn't do it, let me find the message

[elder ore]

I have read that there should not be something like - you cant choose your main account anytime you like

[west quartz]

☝️

[autumn vessel]

have already paid for the leaderboard?

[sacred finch]

here

[west quartz]

☝️

☝️

👆

@stray gull did it change ?

[stray gull]

Create an account, connect a wallet, play the games, make it clear which account is your main.

End of story

[west quartz]

okay but we can't change main account from one week to another then

[stray gull]

Data Science Team can track that side of things yes.

[sacred finch]

can we change the account while the main is bugged stucked in a match?

[elder ore]

Will there be some public display of “filtered” leaderboard? Doesnt have to be live, after snapshot so we know how we ended up

[stray gull]

Yes I think it makes sense to share it similar to Beyond Leaderboards

[stray gull]

Yes that should be fine, and if any issues we can address it via support

[granite echo]

What is clumsy doing?

[vernal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/dopey-wiggly-dwarf-snow-white-gif-7326100

looks like he's staying away from the frost behemoth to me

[vernal forum]

Clumsy negates dodge

[granite echo]

So they cant dodge?

[granite echo]

What does true sight?

Btw, there are alot of players with 1372 points. I guess they didn't play.
What happens to the rewards? Go to the next ones?

[stray gull]

Correct, if the player has not completed 15 games p/week they're removed

[azure wigeon]

Wen season reset?

[stray gull]

The weekly reward snapshot will be taken the same time as Beyond Leaderboard Reward Snapshots.

Wednesday 24:00:00 UTC

[trail edge]

Nick, where is the server located? 😮

I'm pinging a whopping 6ms 😮

[stray gull]

US East if I'm not mistaken

[trail edge]

This is surely not possible, given I'm Aussie.

[echo yew]

Patch inbound?

[worn thicket]

what?! No a patch notes is supposed to come pre-patch... what is the arguments for not have them early?

[fallen vortex]

I said I dont like, I was outvoted on the proposal so do what u want lol 😛

[fallen vortex]

If I really did withhold them, then the DAO has failed, yall voted to share them lol

#1202021962596241468 @worn thicket

I've made a few key arguments, but theres pros and cons both ways, happy to be outvoted

[fallen vortex]

Mostly to avoid patch notes coming 3 weeks before a patch, which they will if released instantly

[worn thicket]

posted my opinion there, happy to keep discussing it there

[echo yew]

Screw the patch notes just deploy patch

[tropic moon]

any ideas when we're getting the rewards distribution list?

[zenith mortar]

As soon as it’s finalised with this first script, as I said ongoing should be much quicker

[worn tree]

Really dont see any cons to prereleasing patch notes. It allows for players to study the changes and get a glimpse on the future. How is that unhealthy lol 😅

[vernal forum]

After playing various builds and coming back to frost game 1, I'm usually belting out this song by wave 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaV-6qerkqI

[worn tree]

Man your humor is top notch thanks 🤣🤣🤣

[worldly jolt]

Hmm what time is that? lol

[turbid osprey]

The message you replied to says the time

[fallen vortex]

If you could see the future and it was way better, would you keep living in the current? I'd say 50% of players wouldn't. Which means your DAU drops in the deadzone by 50%

[worldly jolt]

24:00 is not an actual time is it?

[turbid osprey]

00:00 UTC thursday (night from wednesday to thursday)

I think he said it this way because 00:00 confuses people sometimes

[worldly jolt]

Huh weird. Ok

[edgy bough]

Always best to discord timestamp

[turbid osprey]

I suggest you guys put up a reocurring event in discord for the weekly snapshot @zenith mortar

[worldly jolt]

Wait… I forgot to pin it. Does the new pin look accurate to you?

[turbid osprey]

Yes perfect

[supple beacon]

In general a patch note should be released about a day before the patch itself. It gives time to analyze the notes, but not too much as to be confuse to which patch we are playing on

[uncut comet]

i wish i made my smurf the first week to my main dropped from 1927 to 1600 or something but we

we no pussys try to rank 1 on nothing

[vernal forum]

this is my last 30 games today...

[uncut comet]

bro u are still at 1875 no?

this is u no?

[trail edge]

I think that's my lifetime W/L

Starting the grind back up from like 300 ELO.

Wise people of this Discord. Is there anywhere to get an idea of what augments are typically well-paired with which illuvials?

[alpine dagger]

So bored of mirror matches 24.7 there is no other option in game to be played ?

Went from 1820 mmr 23ranked to 1545 mmr in few days trying to counter uncounterable meta

[west quartz]

i tried that, it doesn't work

you either play the meta or drop 300 elo

[alpine dagger]

I play meta, game are so random, such huge skill gap can be covered in this low meta

5 bulwark 2 mythic 2 behe

And games got so random and long

[west quartz]

yup

but patch tomorrow 🥂

[alpine dagger]

Tommorow at 00:00 they take snapshot

Then patch comes i guess

[turbid osprey]

patch soon and snapshot in 52h20m*

[trail edge]

JOIN MEEEE.

[trail edge]

So there will be an ELO reset?

I should practice more while I'm 300 ELO then.

[junior geyser]

no there will not be an elo reset

[trail edge]

Ah okay. Cool cool. Just a balance patch and we continue.

[wicked forum]

I am in a freeze screen of reconect/surrender. Who can help me?

[trail edge]

Someone else had this problem #🎮〕illuvium-arena message I don't know if they fixed it.

[sacred finch]

Welcome to the team, soon the whole playerbase will be stuck

[west quartz]

There will be but at the end of the season

[junior geyser]

perfect, my chance to rank up

[west quartz]

Augments just got massively nerfed and are kinda useless atm but rule of thumb any unit using auto attacks to deal damage use the augment that buffs attack speed, then you can go for penetration armor, true damage, crit buff etc

Tanks use any defensive augments like hp buff or resist buff

[trail edge]

Hmm. So getting 8 illuvials out is more important than playing an augment in most cases?

[wicked forum]

I have 15 matchs to play until tomorrow. :/

[west quartz]

Psions can use magic pen augment and the energy at start of combat augment

[west quartz]

Right now yes

Might change in the future, 1 week ago it was critical to have the right augments

Currently it’s more important to have the right unit with a good positioning

[trail edge]

Mmkay. On that note what's the counterplay to stuff that jumps to backline?

So far I've just been throwing a suit on my ranger and moving it to absorb instead of whatever it's trying to target.

Mostly cos it's free to move the ranger around XD

It's the most forgiving thing to position.

[west quartz]

Those are rogues are any composite rogue class, you can build tankyness as they plan on bursting you, you can put units in the back of your board to attack them right away

The colossus composite class taunts at the beginning of the fight, having one in your back line will taunt them

[trail edge]

Mm. Sometimes I find the tank unit runs forward and leaves the smaller caster unit vulnerable.

That's probably my poor positioning though.

Will a tank/fighter generally beat a rogue (or rogue composite) 1v1?

[west quartz]

You need to position them at the very back, maybe even below your casters

[trail edge]

Cos it really feels if you throw Slashin against a tank I feel Slashin would win lol.

[west quartz]

Supposedly, if I’m not mistaking, rogue>psion>empath>tank>fighter>rogue

[trail edge]

Ah. Awesome.

[west quartz]

Slashing is the only unit that won’t win any duel as it’s a trash unit

But any other rogue would melt a psion, and an empath if it’s good, won’t be able to kill a tank and will get fucked by a fighter

[trail edge]

I feel at the start a lot is spoken about elements/affinities but I think understanding the classes is more important.

[west quartz]

Now it all depends on which fighter, which tank, which rogue etc

An umbre will rekt a grokko

Not a titanor

[west quartz]

Affinities are actually more important because of the hyper mechanic

Can turn a fight

[alpine dagger]

50+ s round with tanks and heals are killing game, its so slow and boring to watch figths lol

[trail edge]

Hmm. I think understanding how the classes work though is important.. like understanding how rogues blink and stuff.

[west quartz]

We complained already, extensively, patch on the way, let’s just wait 😉

[trail edge]

Not necessarily building around them.. but understanding them for positioning sake and stuff.

[alpine dagger]

Hurayy

[trail edge]

I thought the meta was just frost?

[west quartz]

Well, they blink on the opposite side of the map, if their arrival location isn’t empty because an illuvial or range is there, they’ll land on the nearest available location

[west quartz]

It is

With 5 bulwarks to tank

And 2 mystic to shield and heal

[trail edge]

And there's really no counterplay?

[west quartz]

And you wait overtime

[trail edge]

T_T

[west quartz]

Nop

Well, nobody found one

I tried about 10 different comps

None worked

And I dropped 300 elo in the process

[trail edge]

Yeah for some reason I thought these blinked to the farthest enemy, but it's literally just cross map.

[west quartz]

ever played tft before ?

[trail edge]

Yeah, but I was more an Underlords person XD

[west quartz]

it's like any rogue mechanic in tft 🙂

[trail edge]

I appreciate your help 😄

I want to find counterplay to the meta, but my understanding of the game is too poor to try and solve haha.

I will have to wait until the next broken meta evolves.

[west quartz]

if you find one before the patch you can get to rank 1 in under 10 hours

every single match above 1500 is a mirror frost matchup

[trail edge]

I'm currently at 450 ELO

[west quartz]

you'd be countering all your opponents

[trail edge]

Up from yesterday's 350

At this rate.. I will hit 1500 in about 2 weeks 🤣

[west quartz]

when you start understandin how it works and play a good team is goes really fast

[trail edge]

Yeah. I mean even just playing Jotun + Binding the Ranger at 350 ELO gets you wins.

[calm steeple]

am I looking at this wrong or is Graviton Piercer just a worse version with hoops of a Quantum Nullifier augment?

[trail edge]

So the saddest thing about this realisation is.. I went below 350 ELO which means I wasn't even doing this for several games.

[west quartz]

graviton procs on you auto, quantum nullifier procs at the start of the fight but once you move units, that weren't in range stiull have full armor

[calm steeple]

Nullifier is aura effect

[west quartz]

oh fck they changed this mb

no idea then

[calm steeple]

all illuvials do only one type of damage, correct?

[vernal forum]

Yeah, Smurf

[reef basalt]

three.

Physical, Energy, Pure

[stray gull]

@edgy bough 🤣

[echo yew]

is the patch exclusivly a nerf/ change to frost/jotun line / slashin line?

[summer frigate]

Pls tune down Psions and Invokers in the hotfix. They are going to dominate if this doesn't happen and I believe that would be worse than the current meta.

[edgy bough]

lol did i just play you?

[stray gull]

I was promised psions dominating frost

I saw your team and almost alt f4'ed haha

[edgy bough]

bahaha

i was loading up a game thinking i was so clever 💀 fucks sake i couldnt believe it 😂 but i did see ur 1st comment on his YT so makes sense now

[fallen vortex]

no

[fallen vortex]

You really think? Without indom aug and bulwarks getting nerfed, they feel more beatable than ever

[trail edge]

A bit of a newb question but how long has this meta been 'in' for ?

[arctic turtle]

Not even a week

[trail edge]

Did it emerge as a result of it getting buffed or other stuff getting nerfed?

[arctic turtle]

Yes

Both

[fallen vortex]

yes

Huge swing in terms of 4-5 things being buffed helping Jotun. And basically everything else got nerfed

[trail edge]

Haha. I saw this as someone who isn't seeing it EVERY DAMN GAME but 1 week seems kinda short to call it unbalanced meta right?

[fallen vortex]

Any synergy with a boardwide perma stun will define the meta always, doesn't even matter what else there is

[trail edge]

I was saying to Style in DMs.. I think it would be interesting to see the most used 1-2 cards in say 1000+ ELO play get removed every week.

Like, how much would removing simply Jotun change things?

(thought experiment, I don't have answers for you)

[arctic turtle]

It is the fact of how easy it is to use and how hard it is to beat

[fallen vortex]

Frost wouldn't be as good and Behemoth would be unplayable, so it would resolve it, but you'll see a fighter Jokull do the same thing

[trail edge]

So why not just remove Jotun for a week and see how the game reacts?

I mean if you remove the key card to the key decks after a week, it forces a meta shift and keeps things consistently fresh no?

[fallen vortex]

You'd have to remove Slashin, so u cant frost an entire backline for free

I'd argue that'd have a better effect

[trail edge]

I think Jotun would be more interesting.

Just because I see a Turn 1 Jotun every game (even at 350 ELO)

The follow-up after that varies lol.

[fallen vortex]

Yes but without Slashin u can beat Jotun by round 3-4

Any psion/invoker wins

[arctic turtle]

The main problem isn't just jotun but is that frost freezes so often and at such a wide range.

[trail edge]

Yeah. I'm mixed. I don't know the game well at all (day 2-3) and it does seem imbalanced, but at the same time as a gamer, I also think 1 week is super quick to call a meta broken.

[arctic turtle]

Along with slashin making it impossible to avoid

[trail edge]

I think of games like Starcraft where a seemingly perfect meta gets dethroned after a few months without any balance patch.

But I also guess if all the top tier players think it's broken, it probably is 😄

[arctic turtle]

I think it's also the fact that everyone wants to see at least some variety and not the same thing every time. The opinions of players is very important

[trail edge]

I agree with this.

But hypothetically, if 1 person figures out how to counter it, the entire meta will shift without dev intervention

[arctic turtle]

Illuvium is very supportive of the players and if there is something that the players don't like they will change or add it like illuviuls in the overworld

[arctic turtle]

Yes if one person can find a counter then there will be at least 3 playable teams. Meta, counter and counter counter

The problem is no one has found a counter yet

[trail edge]

Yep, and then you get more diversity.. but I guess that's the point. If one counter gets found, all of a sudden the diversity is back.

[worldly jolt]

Web3 seems to think he has something in #🎨〕community-content

[fallen vortex]

We had one of those metas before frost, so people are familiar

[arctic turtle]

Last patch for a long time tsunami enchanter was the near unbeatable meta till the last week

[trail edge]

Aha. And then they patched it and created a new puzzle to solve.

Also @fallen vortex I don't know if it's possible to do. But I remember for SC2 when I used to run community tournaments I always thought it would be really cool to create a bit of a tournament series where you have some content creator style 'captains' and a pool of newbs.

And the idea is that there's a bit of a prizepool, maybe 50% for the players, and 50% for the captains. Only the captains aren't playing - they're really there to coach the players.

but the idea is that it helps newb players cos it somewhat incentivises the coaches to help the newbs.

[fallen vortex]

But wasn't used for week 1 and 2

[trail edge]

Could have 1 captain to 3 newbs. And then make the 3 newbs 1v1 each other (best of 3 for head to head)

[fallen vortex]

Hahaha I like it

[trail edge]

Would be hilarious if the captains commentate it too.

Can imagine the stuff like "Yep, Turn 1 Jotun.. like I told him.. Air Sword.. okay.. WAIT NO.. I told you to BIND THE RANGER"

You could give them like 1-2 weeks to bootcamp then play the tournament with maybe 4 teams.

4 captains, 12 noobs. If you do simultaneous games (stream A/B) you could probably round-robin it over 2 hrs.

I don't know if the game is in a polished enough state, but in the future you could do a similar thing if we have players who have like a TFT background, or Underlords background, or MTG/OnePiece/Hearthstone.. You could get a bit of friendly fanbase wars going.

Captain who has a TFT background takes 3 TFT players to bootcamp, the other guy with a MTG background picks a few of his MTG contacts

[fallen vortex]

Hahaha yeah but this sort of stuff is hard enough when there's a pool of players

[trail edge]

Would be a great way to get some interest, esp. if you can get some content creators in the future.

[fallen vortex]

right now it would be quite the challenge

[trail edge]

Yeah. I think right now unknown newbs would work.

Especially with the new ILV reward ladder, there might be some interest.

[wicked cloak]

bruh i thought they patched the bug where if you disconnect after a game and get back in it doesnt give you a random deck

[tulip tiger]

lets play sandy

[wicked cloak]

huh?

[edgy flower]

In a few months probably

[serene lance]

This patch is dog water.

[tulip tiger]

lets play illuvium 🙂

[azure wigeon]

So the reward based on?

[edgy flower]

So elo reset happens every season, like once per 3 or 6 months, and rewards every week

[hollow orbit]

This opponent is me. I just contacted support with the same situation. Have you resolved it yet?

[hot pond]

I was just about to log into the game and check if it has been resolved. Haven’t heard anything though yet.
Edit: it’s still the same shit 🤦

[hollow orbit]

I've tried everything now and still haven't solved the problem. I have it set to auto-login so I can't even switch accounts.

[stray gull]

Yeah we are aware of the issue, sorry for that guys. Resolving as a high priority

[hot pond]

You can delete the Saved folder from your computer so the auto login goes away

[hollow orbit]

I see. I'll give it a try. Thanks

[hot pond]

\AppData\Local\Illuvium in this path there is a Saved folder

[edgy flower]

Does it mean a delay for frostfix?

[worldly token]

I was a little scared right now, because I got kicked to place 113, but took a minute counting smurf accounts in the top 100. There are more than I excpected 😄 at 20 I stopped counting. So I should still be fine xD

[worn tree]

Ok I get your point, but if the changes are not implemented you cant live in the future, you can dwell about it

[fallen vortex]

Hard to think of a fun example. But if u knew the next 3 days of your life wouldn't matter at all then you might just sleep through It and not live your life

[pastel estuary]

where are the ilv rewards on leaderboard distributed? will it be on l1, imx, or what?

[lament frigate]

Wen hotfix, the game is freaking unplayable (in a fun way).

[sacred finch]

Wen unstuck accounts

[edgy flower]

You still can't play on main?

[sacred finch]

Yep

[edgy flower]

And the only way is to lose points with surrender, or even this not help? Xd

[sacred finch]

And I have autologin so if I want to play at all I have to delete the files or something like that

[sacred finch]

I can't surrender, it shows "wait server response" for a few seconds and then show an error

[edgy flower]

Wow, looks like no frost fix for today coz of that 😦

Sadge

[hot pond]

Welcome to the club, been having this issue since 24h now 😦

[cyan olive]

same

[cyan olive]

doesn´t always work

[haughty lintel]

Almost 72 hours in my case

[distant lintel]

Do we know how they are planning to change frozen bear meta?

[lament frigate]

@bronze spire Thanks to you I found fun in Illuvium arena again! Truly appreciate your videos bro - couldn't put my appreciation in words since I truly love the art of Illuvium!

[raven obsidian]

When is snapshot done guys?

[turbid osprey]

00:00 UTC the night from wednesday to thursday

[distant lintel]

Did you guys receve rewards form last weeks arena?

[trail edge]

When it says "Holder gains Nature Affinity" does it replace the affinity or just add it?

[distant lintel]

it adds affinity

[trail edge]

So the illuvial has 2 affinities?

[distant lintel]

yes

[trail edge]

Haha. I was surprised when I suddenly got teleported on by a behemoth O_O

[distant lintel]

but i think(im not sure) for hyper only dominant one counts

[bronze spire]

Thank you for saying that! Glad it’s helping 🙂

[late lagoon]

@trail zephyr if thats you i was just playing that deck is awesome

[cursive echo]

@west quartz Your perseverance top 22 gg !

[west quartz]

Hold on I just woke up I still have plenty of time today to fck up my elo 😂

[cursive echo]

one advises not to play today !

[west quartz]

What’s the point of not playing when you’re not rank 1 though

[cursive echo]

too much rng you are playing with fire

[cursive echo]

normally I agree with this spirit but for this meta let it go

[vernal forum]

I can't even win a game at 1000 elo - y'all are beasting it.

Is there a hot patch coming today? Someone told me there was a hotpatch coming today. I'm not interested in adjusting a micro-position in hopes that the unfortunately random pathing will go in my favor to grant me a win often enough to climb the ladder. In fact, I'm pretty sure without some new, phenomenal deck insight - it's impossible to climb at high elo without extreme luck in your favor. So, yeah - just wondering when I should be ready to play again.

[twilit storm]

tsunami ench was cancer..but now..we are waay off..everybody plays just coinflips to grab few dollars from the ladder rewards. /disgusted. Hope you re having fun spinning the rng wheel folks

[cursive echo]

don't play anymore

[vernal forum]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-task-gif-21221025

excellent advice! But, also, I wouldn't call what I'm doing "playing" - more "mindlessly clicking random stuff in hopes that I find something, anything, that will challenge frost".

[worn tree]

Maybe we can get an update from the team. @topaz lake @stray gull @coarse echo

Whats the status on the hot fix patch sirs? Thanks in advance!

Did the recent bug-stuck reports delay it?

[vivid stirrup]

it's coming soon, i gurantee you they do everything they can to get it out, and we will be notified as soon as there is something to announce about it ^^

[edgy flower]

yes, but if there delay and current rewards will be without fix, so we need to now this, no?

[vivid stirrup]

we don't "need" to know this, it would definitely be nice, and i'm sure we will know as soon as they know, u know? ^^

[junior geyser]

let them cook

[silver merlin]

where can i see the leaderboard?

[junior geyser]

https://play.illuvium.io/arena/leaderboard?activeTab=ascendant

[worn tree]

For sure, just asking for an update 😊

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-woah-hold-up-wait-gif-5693923

[vernal forum]

“You see what happens, Larry?!
This is what happens when you don't play frost Larry!
This is what happens, Larry! You see what happens Larry?!
You see what happens when you don't play frost Larry?!”

[alpine dagger]

Sad

You play mirror and get bored as hell, or u lose 90%

[grand bluff]

I'm tired of playing mirros tbh >.<

[alpine dagger]

First few days of new patch are fun as hell, bcz we try combine and think, last few days of patch are like, ppl copy exact positions augments and units as few top ranked creators

Went from 1820 mmr > 1500 xd

[gritty wren]

can confirm

and im now already 3 digit elo

[alpine dagger]

I mean i dont even need rewards, but i wanna play game and have fun, not boring mirror Long sustain games that steal my energy and enjoyment

[worn tree]

This is what happens when you fuck a Jotun in the ass, Larry.

I have seen that scene like 50 times, every single time it got me.

[gritty wren]

i was so exited for this new patch its so fun to build a deck but in the end nothing works there is only one team

this is so shit

[alpine dagger]

Lol

[vernal forum]

I'm sitting here afraid to play one more...

[gritty wren]

at this point nothing matters anymore

[vernal forum]

Well, I'm going to try 3bw, 3empath, wildfire, enchanter... because this'll be the one that takes maybe 1 round off frost (probably not tho)

[keen moth]

What causes the bug where my Jotun just decides not to move the entire battle?

[alpine dagger]

Might be blocked by other units

Or well blocked by frost? And stuns ?

Not sure what was the scenario

Got screenshot maybe ?

He can get stuck , his big unit, must have space for him to move

[keen moth]

It's nothing like that

Can I not upload images here?

He starts in the back and just doesn't try to move a single tile until maybe 40 seconds into the battle. There is no one blocking him or touching him.

[dull wind]

@keen moth I sent you a msg

Here is is an example of my Jotun just standing there 30 seconds into the battle
Sharing on Bulldog's behalf

[keen moth]

Thanks!

[vivid stirrup]

he does not fit between the mystics

he a big boi

[dull wind]

it seems all paths are blocked indeed

[vivid stirrup]

you can drag around your jotun to actually check if it will fit thru a gap, but then press escape to not move it and lose no mastery points

[keen moth]

Ok, I understand

I guess I didn't realize he wouldn't even try to move

[vivid stirrup]

yeah it would be better to see if he would move to the gap then be stuck, surely there will come updates for this in the future

[keen moth]

It would make for a much better user experience if he tried to move, and then got blocked. Players would be able to see what they are doing wrong. Instead it has just enraged me as it's happened multiple times, and to the user it just looks like a bug.

[vivid stirrup]

you can always press B ingame and report this as feedback. prolly they know but your input matters anyway. the more people give feedback about something the more it moves up in priority

[hot pond]

So the people that are stuck in those games and can’t use their accounts anymore are basically fucked now if they haven’t done their 15 matches yet before the snapshot?

[thin hawk]

Hey is an Xbox controller compatible in arena?

[sacred finch]

hope they free us today

[hot pond]

Well, if it doesn’t happen within the next 12 hours or so, it won’t help me. Don’t have time to play whenever I want to

[vivid stirrup]

u could create a second account, pretty sure the latest statement from team is that just play/create a new account, play your games and name it player1
specially now with this bug i'm guessing it wouldn't be a problem either way

[worn thicket]

what bug?

[vivid stirrup]

being stuck in an empty battleboard game

[worn thicket]

oh yeah didn't happen to me but tbf i probably don't even have my 15 games for the second week consecutive, didn't get time to play much lately but when i read here it feels like i'm not missing much xD

[warm rivet]

When is the next snapshot exactly? 🙂

[south glacier]

Then you would need 25 games instead of 15 to get any rewards. And a new account has a different rank than the main account.

[worldly jolt]

This message is pinned and will be here for you to check when needed. #🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[worldly jolt]

Probably not. But if you can custom map enough buttons… maybe

[lament frigate]

Where can I find the link to Illuvium's leaderboard?

[vivid stirrup]

yeah true, i'm just saying that is one option he has, for example if he has unlimited time tonight, but cant play tmrw..
but yeah nothing really confirmed, take with a grain of salt ^^

[worldly jolt]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[lament frigate]

Thanks 🙂

[hot pond]

Yep. That’s also my thought here…

[gritty wren]

snapshot in 29h or so right?

at this point the hotfix is coming after that, right?

[turbid osprey]

it was supposed to be today but the day is passed in australia so i guess tomorrow

[alpine dagger]

Next snapshot in 4 hours?

[turbid osprey]

no 29h

[alpine dagger]

Same patch till snap?

[zenith mortar]

I'll make the event

so we dont have to question anymore

[turbid osprey]

thanks rich

[alpine dagger]

Thanks

😁🙏

[zenith mortar]

https://discord.gg/illuvium?event=1204503311621816444

[lament frigate]

Is there anytime soon a new lp reset?

[turbid osprey]

no

[lament frigate]

So all the players who's elo got destroyed by frost bear in there first games (in new meta) gonna have to grind via 25lp gains back up? You gotta be kidding.

[turbid osprey]

25 elo gain goes extremely fast, if you are lower elo than you truly are you wont have trouble going back where you belong, you arent doomed

[cursive echo]

@noble radish I have an idea to make the game slightly better for new players, could we see the paths of the illuvials before the fight?

[gritty wren]

that would be so cool

[uncut comet]

but how should it see the patch if it dont know the positioning of your opponent for next round

path*

it can only calculate for the current positioning of opponent but that would be wrong anyway after next round starts

[alpine dagger]

We need random teams like in survival mode, so we use our skill and knowledge , and competite in different ocassions every time,not facing frost behemoth vs frost behemoth 99 out of 100 games

[lament frigate]

Hotfix is still needed ASAP.

[distant lintel]

It seems that rumors about hotfix to behemoth frost was jsut a rumor/hopium

[lament frigate]

LoL, then whoever made this patch should be re-placed.

By someone who understands to balance in-game characters.

[edgy flower]

idk who is SNG nick, but its freeze for me

hope you will surrender coz i win last round and bug will not stack forever

[distant lintel]

Were rewards for last weeks arena ranking already sent?(did people receive those rewards?)

[edgy flower]

@west quartz @formal crown i see you both! and we stacked D :

[formal crown]

hehe

[edgy flower]

just when i start play frost and winnig, that win should be back to plat for me, and game broke D :

idk if team nmw will give rewards with that amount of players who cannot play game then it will be unfair, maybe skip this week and wext is double reward, or give some decent ilv amount for those who cant play on main while rewards distributing, anyway need to go to be sad D :

[zenith mortar]

Coming as soon as possible

team knows its a priority

[noble radish]

Good to see we aren’t being extreme. Suggesting firing people for a single patch in a pre release game. 👍

[distant lintel]

Yes, exactly, that is NOt EXTREME ENOUGH !

[lament frigate]

I forgot to add "IF". I'm sorry - my mistake.

[sacred finch]

did you guys got stuck in a match that someone full swap and the match ended after turn 7?
It was like that for me the 3 times that happened

[distant lintel]

This Frost meta is so frustrating to me... lost soo much MMR trying to play basically ANYTHING else.

[noble radish]

In any case the team caught a few things and are fixing it together. Those people patient while waiting for the fix, we appreciate you.

[edgy flower]

idk what saw SNG nick, but for me it was turn 7, i lost 1st 4 turns, then swap to psoin, won, swap back to frost - won, keep frost, won and game should end by my win, but its stucked after i saw r7 played and i won. at last turn no1 swap nothing

[distant lintel]

Aaron, when you are talking about " a fix" doe sthat involve changing the frost meta balance or just bug fixes?

[edgy flower]

frost will be decreased somehow

[lament frigate]

"re-placed" doesn't mean directly firing, simply means finding someone else with some more understanding.

[noble radish]

It involves balance changes plus some bug fixes.

[sacred finch]

So it's probably something about round 7, to me happened full swaping on turn 7 and also full swaping earlier and don't swaping on 7, but everytime after seeing r7 played

[noble radish]

Plus adding more team slots.

[edgy flower]

deadly R7 KEKW

[sacred finch]

are this game stucking one of the bug fixes? 🙏

[noble radish]

Yeah.

[gritty wren]

put all who complain in another queue and let them play this patch for one more week

[noble radish]

There’s some features to the game that get updated with each patch and sometimes in an attempt to get a patch out fast things will be missed. While the game is not in Open Beta we are more keen to update than to have everything be perfect.

[gritty wren]

wen new emotes

[sacred finch]

wen mute opponent emotes

[edgy flower]

wen new illuvials xd wenwenwenwenwenwen : )

[lament frigate]

Wow, now I'm stuck as well LOL

[edgy flower]

welcome to the club buddy

[lament frigate]

had to give away a free win.

unreal.

Ff'd, and I'm out

[sacred finch]

lucky you

[lament frigate]

Yeah this would be a feature I truly would appreciate as well.

[edgy flower]

i remember i tryed to block opp ability of move unit with my mozart : D

[noble radish]

I am not suggesting people shouldn’t complain. By all means we want you to complain and find issues. That helps us get it right.

I just don’t think going to the extremes of complaining that some people do is helpful. Our team read through here much more than what other teams would, due to the fact this is how we communicate with each other.

The sort of extreme rhetoric that gets thrown about isn’t motivating.

[gritty wren]

ok good

[noble radish]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-solutions-dave-chapelle-gif-13450651

[sacred finch]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[noble radish]

Will be part of the chat release feature.

[distant lintel]

I'd say put all those who don't complain into a queue with no fixes, they clearly don't mind...Especially the one who suggested the solution ^^

[edgy flower]

Just remember that the most angry comments are left by the people who experience the most intense emotions from your game

[lament frigate]

Just for the record, my intention is in none of my messages to hurt anyone! It's simply emotions and waiting delay over delay for final OB release like all of us do.

[edgy flower]

didnt work out coz enemy can move camera with any angle D :

[noble radish]

Foiled by cool features.

[edgy flower]

still can be good to steal few seconds from opp to reposition camera and win by that xd

[gritty wren]

@worn tree statement

[worn tree]

Hehehehe @vivid stirrup made it on purpose so that it looked like same player with main and smurfs in the top 3 😄

[lament frigate]

It's so freaking coin flip even with a slightly different deck which is less boring then what everyone playz.

[arctic turtle]

Does anyone know if we are getting the patch today or is it now a maybe tomorrow

[edgy flower]

delay to time when bug that not allow ppl play will be fixed also

[vivid stirrup]

maybe i should have put myself on tripple first to make the editing more obvious 😬

[worn tree]

❤️

[worldly jolt]

He may have even waited to post that video in #🎨〕community-content until after viper posted his twitch link. lol jk

[onyx sundial]

Anyway to know how many games you've played?

[wicked forum]

My main account is bugged. When i open the game, it automatically starts the game in this account. How can i use another account?

[tropic moon]

not yet, will be in the future, but they said it’s not a priority atm

so only way is to write it down or something sadly

[tropic moon]

log out top left in the main menu? if there is another problem you should probably contact support

[onyx sundial]

Bummer. Did they release who won rewards from last snapshot?

[vale coral]

ggs @lean ivy

[lean ivy]

Some nice little trick plays there sir

[vale coral]

i was so stressed trying to switch em all haha

[stray gull]

Hasn't been announced as yet

[vale coral]

damit @lean ivy haha

i ran out of cards to play GG

[lean ivy]

sorry 😉 lol But me too actually thats why I just moved around

[analog sandal]

has this week's leaderboard been finalized yet?

[stray gull]

Yep, announcement shortly for the first week of Leaderboard Rewards

Week 2 snapshot is in approximately 24 hours

[turbid osprey]

Its in 24h* right?

23:19

[stray gull]

Damn it's already Wednesday, yes

[analog sandal]

oh ok I thought the second week was already finished

[west quartz]

@hollow orbit did you really just gamble a coin toss to get top 10 ? 😂

[hollow orbit]

this account just haven't finished 15 games yet..

[warm epoch]

noooo dont let them mute my precious emotes

[west quartz]

so i just tagged someone 400 ELO POINTS BELOW ME while queing for less than 30 seconds

@noble radish are there any change planned for the matchmaking, ever ? or do we just have to wait for more people to start playing ?

[noble radish]

There are plenty of changes coming. At the moment we would rather you play faster. Over the new few months the algorithm will get more strict.

[west quartz]

wdym by play faster ?

[noble radish]

I'd rather you connect to other players quickly and play, than have the algorithm wait longer until someone is about your level. That's not ideal for the final version but for now it's a good way to get in and play and test quickly.

Please remember we're still building out the mode. This isn't the final version by any means.

[viscid surge]

guys where i can check arena weekly rank?

[west quartz]

https://play.illuvium.io/arena/leaderboard?activeTab=ascendant

[viscid surge]

ty

[west quartz]

is there any way we could manually set a threshold under which we're not willing to play ?

because i'm litterally never willing to play someone with 400 elo below i'd much rather play on a smurf than find a game with such risk

[noble radish]

Not right now.

[bronze spire]

cant you just cancel que before 30-60 secs?

[west quartz]

i always cancel before 45 secs

which seemed to be when the algorithm start matching with people too far

[west quartz]

is there a fixed time in queue at which the algo starts expending a lot the range for potential players ? and if so can you tell us when that is so we can cancel queue before it happens ?

[noble radish]

It's smooth.

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/up-tadawul-graph-presentation-statistics-gif-16652732

[echo yew]

Patch delayed?

[zenith mortar]

It's coming my fren

[west quartz]

any rough idea of when ? 👀

trying to figure out if i go to sleep or wait for it :p

[scarlet spindle]

you can go to illuvialmaster and check arena match history , you have to scroll and its like 10 games per scroll. Once you get to the bottom you can see your total amount, win / loss. I use the middle click on the mouse and let it auto scroll while I go make a snack.

[warm epoch]

theres a patch today?:)

[west quartz]

Idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cursive echo]

bedtime for you

[zenith mortar]

As soon as I have a firm time you will know ser

[summer frigate]

Before the snapshot?

[zenith bough]

I wonder what the next 5 bullwark + something team will be

[zenith mortar]

Hopefully but not confirmation yet

[calm steeple]

does anyone know why in frost mirror Jotun retargets to ranger if ranger starts attacking him, even though Jotun was attacking some other illuvial before?

[lime cloak]

Think its, when stunned, it refocus to closest target, that might sometimes mean it switches to ranger

[edgy flower]

5 bulwark + 4 bulwark 😏

[hot pond]

What about 7 bulwark ?

[worn tree]

Yeah lol, bw needs more nerf.

A slight tune down on the team buff

18-36-54 --> 12-24-36

[west quartz]

can we stop nerfing shit and start BUFFING things ?

[gloomy barn]

Its more the actual bulwark side not the ally side that is op. 5 bulwark bonus on themselves is equal to 4 colossus bonus

[west quartz]

beside frost and behemoth who are broken we nerfed EVERYTHING

[gloomy barn]

Bulwark is op cuz we nerfed everything lol

[west quartz]

nobody wants to play overtime simulator

[west quartz]

exactly

if nothing has any damage left ofc tanks seem op

[edgy flower]

You again forgot that we have aug against the bulwarks, but now it's not working properly?

[worn tree]

I disagree, I think its the general buff whats op

[worn tree]

I know. But I think the augment is OP. I would nerf the bw class further and the augment as well. Like an aura reducing nearly 50% of res? Come on, that is strong af for a non legendary augment.

[iron kayak]

snapshot is today? in17h?

[worn thicket]

Some games like Tekken, solved the problem by letting the choice up to the player and offering matchmaking options.
Not saying we should do it, I have no clue how complex it is to implement. But i guess it doesn't hurt putting the possibility out there.

[edgy flower]

i win by 7 psion against 5 bw easy, so its fine balanced i guess, but i agree that we should cut % out from augmentation when it will be fixed

[edgy flower]

check pinned messages

[noble radish]

It's not so complex. It's just another person doing that instead of something else, and right now ratings aren't super meaningful so I'm less worried about it.

I know there are people that aren't happy with things but we cannot prioritise everything.

[west quartz]

any news on the bug changing our team in lobby btw ?

idk where it is in the priority list ^^"

[noble radish]

Have you raised a bug with the team? (I assume you mean that your choice isn't persisting?)

[west quartz]

can't recall if i did personnaly as it's been out there for quite some time, but i did make a post in feedback ideas

[west quartz]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1203638232777232384

[edgy flower]

@west quartzim doing somethig wrong right? 😄