🎮〕illuvium-arena

[junior geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/breezy-hacker-im-in-matrix-laptop-gif-22983973

[worn tree]

Shiiiit anonymussss nOOOOOOOOO

[stray gull]

Good morning

How are we looking as far as crashes and desyncs after the patch

Are we seeing improved stability

[haughty lintel]

I have played around 20 games so far, no crashes

[worn thicket]

None to me so far

👌👍

No MP bug either btw

I had a lot of skill issues though, all my losses were due to that, pls fix asap. Unplayable game 🤡

[zenith mortar]

Skill diff

[turbid osprey]

Doing much greater it seems. 2 times game seemed to have froze but it played out after 10-15s

[elder ore]

On my second game it all crashed, I have submitted logs

[gritty wren]

you know this?

team i created yesterday which fits the current ruleset which got not deleted

maybe i should create the team again

[vernal forum]

So, uh, like, how long til patch?

[gritty wren]

LOL that happened because i started without updating

i even started a ranked match wtf

[worn tree]

Insane stability man. Fucking good job

[sacred finch]

wen next patch with frost nerf?

[worn tree]

Hey hey, they say there is something better!!!

Something that shits on frost. There is no reason for us to say that frost is OP

[west quartz]

the year is 2052, slashin, a 255 mastery point cost unit, still can't win 1V1 against a 25 cost grokko

in an attempt to make it used for something else than the frost synergy, the devs decide to increase his attack speed from 0.1 to 0.15, and his base attack damage from -2 to +0.5

life is good

[worn tree]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tbh, slashin is hella strong now

[west quartz]

frost synergy is strong

his AA still deal negative damage

[worn tree]

he is a support for the enemy team right?

[west quartz]

i mean, that's if he manages to finally land an auto attack ofc

he's more like a cheerleader unit

[worn tree]

hey, its you xd

how fun the destiny

Quick feedback:

There is a bug in which units are outside the initial blind area from frost, but get blinded once they enter in it.

[hearty sleet]

So what’s the meta this patch?

[topaz lake]

Dm when you can. I can help you with this

[gritty wren]

i updated the game now its fixed but thx

[karmic token]

Nice update, again and again the game stuck and i have to exit and lose the game, not to mention that a Fliish with a cost of 30 destroys all my illuvials in the line, you can't do something like that.. Godddd🤦‍♂️

[zenith mortar]

Please report any bugs like getting stuck to the bug reporter will help us identify & fix these things

[west plume]

Does this include reporting people for not sharing the Meta on youtube?

Asking for a friend

[woven flint]

I am stuck since 5 min, restarted and reconnected 3 times :/

[limber path]

why is rouge so bad

[worldly jolt]

Rouge is so red… jk

Probably Because high hp and resistances are common. Rogues are good against low health high damage dealers.

Someone that’s good at the game will have better info

[worn tree]

@zenith mortar jotun casting on dead units, frost blind affecting units initially outside of the range, but when entering after the blind cast, getting blinded for the remaining duration.

So far this, and well, after rounds, the right button move mouse to orientate screen sometimes get bugged as if it was W/S screen move.

[vernal forum]

frozen, frozen, frozen, stun, taunt, blind, frozen, frozen, frozen, stun, taunt, blind....

[agile plover]

guys, did they move the board so you cant see enemy line?

just updated and i hardly can see the enemy

bug or feature?

count of max illuvials on my side of the board not correct either

[frigid turret]

Is resolve working properly? I got oneshoted by fliishs with 70 resolve

[bitter bough]

Hey @zenith mortar, seems to be a bug with Rhamphyre where the Ult does zero damage sometimes.

I reported in the in-game reporter as well

[supple beacon]

Was he cc while casting or in the air?

[zenith mortar]

Thank you ser, yeah did he stunned as he went up

[wind otter]

What is the difference of resolve and grit?

[bitter bough]

I didn't see a stun go off, but it could have been that

damn frost stuns are brutal in that regard

still won, but I was like "wut?!"

loving the new patch so far

[frigid turret]

Grit should lower the amount of phy dmg you take by a flat amount and resolve is the same thing but for energy dmg

[bitter bough]

Jotun is a damn menace!

[wind otter]

Tnx man

[cyan olive]

who tagged me?

[west plume]

Fing frost

[solar axle]

Is the snapshot valid this week?

[worn tree]

@summer frigate where the fuck was my tsunami wave?

Two rounds no wave. That is a bug that costed me the fucking game

[summer frigate]

Idk but it was stunning me lmao

[worn tree]

50g invested, no tsunami What the fuck

was it?

[summer frigate]

yeah

[worn tree]

oh ok, what the hell hahahaha

gg

[summer frigate]

gg bro

Vanguard emblem was better, I took the risk lol

[worn tree]

well played man, nice catch

[summer frigate]

matchup was pretty even, it's hard to climb for sure in this patch for now

[west quartz]

climbing set aside, is anyone having fun yet ?

[wicked cloak]

I’m enjoying myself, definitely overturned frost a bit much, but I like the augments having less power, I feel like with a quick frost nerf it would be in a good spot

Played all morning and am down 15 rating overall, had a good time, need to explore some other things, feel like there are some better decks out there or some way to counter frost.

[tight bluff]

How we feeling

[turbid osprey]

Having ton of fun!

[junior geyser]

your time has come, I have found what I needed 😼

[worn tree]

Damn it hahahaha

[junior geyser]

your match history with that team is solid, thanks bud

[worn tree]

Can be improved tho 😉

[zenith mortar]

So… good patch?

[turbid osprey]

Yes very much so, only little thing is behemoth and frost seems to quite too good for now but i have no doubt someone will find counter and the wheel will start to roll

Love the new augment changes

[west quartz]

i guess you had fun getting 200 freelo by finding the meta before anyone, but are you still enjoying it now playing mirror frost matches over and over ?

[west quartz]

have you played it ?

[sacred finch]

good mechanic changes to augments but frost just make the game unplayable

[turbid osprey]

I just play from first rounds my deck is templar and since 1st minutes its mirror ish frost

[west quartz]

you can watch replay of viper stream, if at some point you think you're laggiung and screen is frozen, it's not, it's just the whole map being frost

[west quartz]

i wouldn't call it unplayable

well, we definitely should rename the game from "Illuvium" to ""coin flip simulator"

but it's not unplayable

[zenith mortar]

Only a couple rounds

[solar axle]

Does anyone know if the leaderboard will pay this week?

[zenith mortar]

Will likely be the next week and follow the same process beyond leaderboard does. Meaning will pay before the next weeks snapshot.

[west quartz]

@zenith mortar is there like any chance frost gets hot fix nerfed ?

[zenith mortar]

Dunno, probably not unless it’s severely bugged like the augment was

Are people reporting it this way?

[west quartz]

it's not bugged

just needs to be nerfed

[worn tree]

I guess you finally realized it. Lol hahahah like 7h ago you were saying it wasnt that strong.

[turbid osprey]

I just said theres a stronger early and a stronger late already, still stand by it

[worn tree]

I disagree, there is no stronger late game than frost right now.

[turbid osprey]

Im not playing frost late game and i did like 30-1 through my 2 accounts

[mighty tulip]

My first impression is Frost behemoth is OP and bloom was nerfed too hard. It's early days though so the meta may change.

Rn the patch isn't better, it's just swapped out Bloom Arcanite for Frost Behemoth as the OP play.

[cyan olive]

winning coinflips is fun, loosing isn´t

[echo yew]

ive been smoking frost all day, just now starting to see people mimic my build

[worn tree]

First hours of the day, sure. Now not anymore 😢

Would be cool to reach a state in which each week the illuvial pool chanes and new metas need to be discovered. Those players with higher game understanding would thrive.

[worn tree]

Hmmm, you prolly are playing psion or templar cluster, can be easily countered.

[worn tree]

Yup, glad people is agreeing on this 🤝🏻👍🏻

[echo yew]

yup havnt yet tho

[worn tree]

I hope we play against 😄

[echo yew]

likewise

[fallen vortex]

Yall frosty today?

[fallen vortex]

Its all mechanics. The only problem with bloom was the regen. The only problem with frost is perma stun.

just needs to be dialled back is all

[mighty tulip]

I'm disappointed tbh. I was really looking forward to Behemoth and Frost becoming viable but not like this. It's just gross

[worn tree]

Tbh, I think Illuvium needs a bigger testing team. There are many things in the patch that are super great, but many others that are easily detectable by playing 1 day and that are not player friendly.

I mean right now I could give a fucking list of easy fixes to make the experinece much better.

Periodic omnidiractional aoe ticks around illuvials doesnt give agency to players. Frost should be something more targeted, rather than omnidirectional aoe each 2.5 secs.And like that, many more stuff.

Of course, changing this now is not quick as it changes the underlying code of the game, but man, it could have been anticipated 😭

[mighty tulip]

Id argue it was the omega power on bloom that's was the issue. Max health and regen were strong but not broken

[fallen vortex]

The broken part was bird becoming indestructible

u could bring it to overload consistently if u wanted to

but it could never die 😛

[fallen vortex]

Toxic shouldnt be aoe either

[mighty tulip]

It's a T5 stage 3 illuvial with 3 Bloom 3 Arcanite. It has to be difficult to deal with in some way.

[worn tree]

Yup! omnidirectional aoe mechanics are very fucking dangerous for player agency.

[dull wind]

did you watch Illuvination's Aaron interview today?

[worn tree]

Yes, you talking about AI? AI won't detect if a gameplay is boring.

[dull wind]

the game still isn't complete, until then this is natural to happen

and another game mode is coming so...

y u mad @worn tree

this is a game in PRE BETA

[worn tree]

I am not mad. I am being critical. I want the DAO to improve.

[worldly token]

the beginning of the mirror match feels like a coin flip. both put the frost behemoths on the board first turn. Sometimes I dont even deal 50% of the damage to the other Jotun, sometimes I win.

[fallen vortex]

Difficult, not unkillable

[limber scroll]

sorry but this game is not fun to play with all them playing frost ....

[fair hemlock]

should join in and maybe you'll get 0.08 ILV per week

[limber scroll]

nope i lose so much i am below 1000 now. i give up on that

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I hope someone figures out why

I think the seed says which frost tick hits first

and it full changes the outcome

[worn tree]

I mean imagine toxic but instead of an omnidirectional aoe tick, it is each time the unit receives a melee aa or deals an aa (both ranged and melee). Imagine frost but instead of an omnidirectional aoe tick, it affects the target and enemy units in an arc behind the target the frost unit is aaing (similar to monkier cone). Much more agency, much more fun, less randomness and coinflips.

I did +300 elo today, nothing like grapsing the meta fast. Still, long way to go if we want to be top tier game in the world. We are definitely on the right track. In the DAO we trust.

[hearty sleet]

Did you use frost?

[karmic token]

Why in the ranked leaderboard, from the 575th place, it jumps directly to 1140??

[summer frigate]

Is there any way I can confirm if I have played the 15 games? in Illuvialmaster I can only count 8 games and I know I have more than 13.

[fair hemlock]

all ranks were normalised around the last patch. Since then, these normalised people are sitting at the normal-Elo rating. so the cut-off range is 575 until a number of people play and the rank normalizes above the Inactive MMR, or these inactive members are deranked to a lower rating. (idk if these 575 are taken into account for the ranking rewards -> shouldn't. but dunno if they just stop 400 people from getting rewards)

[grand bluff]

The Frost is too strong yeah.

[grand bluff]

It's the slow too. But yes the stun with a single penguin Frost to multiple invokers is annoying too.

And Toxic is heavily countered by turn 1-2 behemoths because of the cleanse now.

But I wanna see what decks people build this time around aside from Behemoths xD

[karmic token]

Thanks, but is so stupid..

[fallen vortex]

I believe they keep searching for active players until they hit 1k.

So up yo yhr 1500 number probably gets rewards since the top band is fill of smurfs/inactivdz

[fair hemlock]

At least thats fair 🙂

[hot blaze]

Is it just me or is frost OP? lol

[fallen vortex]

We day 1. Its all good

[hot blaze]

Ya it was my first game since patch but now I scrolled up and seems like I'm not the only one getting frosted lol

[serene lance]

Losing mirror matches where i have positive hyper is so fun

Guess i suck

[dark vine]

yeah, frost mirror seems to be pretty rng for me

also with frost it gets clear that the game has only few range dds which are not psion/inovker

a bow as weapon would be nice too 😄

[west quartz]

get better at coin toss

[wind otter]

Can a sear 1 on 1 a jotun?

[west quartz]

Not with frost, unless it hypers then he probably can

[worn thicket]

so i looked a bit earlier 1513 (where i started after the reset) was already top 150-ish even though people plaied for more than a week now and rewards being on.

[worn thicket]

nothing 1 on 1 Jotun.

already prepatch that thing was a 1 on 1 god

[hot pond]

I tried both psions and invokers, both got rekt by a single penguin because they get interrupted in the cast due to frost 😂
Plus vanguard is pretty much unkillable for them

[worn thicket]

hmm Viper beated me twice in the matchup frost vs Invokers yesterday, but he was basically playing frost for the first 4 rounds, to not insta-lose to bear, and then swapping the full comp to Invokers + Colossus.

some other people have been doing the same but with Blazenite, Frost into full swap to blazenite comp.

So i guess the common agreement at high elo right now is that for the first 4-5 turns nothing beats frost but you can outscale them with other stuff in round 5-6+

[hot pond]

Yea, maybe invokers would have worked in round 5 which I wasn’t able to reach with the usual invoker build with the 3 water bulwarks and so on. It’s still pretty miserable if your cast gets interrupted once you lose the scaling ability

[spare frigate]

would like to see a aegis buff/ rework next patch.. feel as though its soo weak compared to other class's

[reef basalt]

This makes sense. I couldnt figure out a way to win first few rounds against Frost/Behemoth. So its just a flip coin for the early rounds then transition

[worn thicket]

well it's a support class overall, so it's normal that you don't see it as impactful as arcanites or Invokers and it's normal then to not build a full comp around it.
I have succesfully used it 2 patches ago when it was umbre meta and i think they're fine. The defense buff on Archeleon is probably a step in the right direction of all Aegis actually needs.

Also new deck building restrictions might give more space for this kind of support synergies in decks. Just give people the time to optimize their builds and we'll see if it actually needs a buff/rework.

[spare frigate]

was happy to see archeleon buffed.. only good for verdant ability xD
I feel Its a shame that it only shares the buff with 1 unit and not all - similar to mystic/ templar
I think before PVP it was quite powerful until it got nerfed (memory is shonky)

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I think the 7 more of each resistance is offset by the 40 resistance from the augment debuff. 40+ more by dual augments and 30+ from bulwarks nerf

Its not the most fair trade 🤣🤣

[worn thicket]

yes but overall, i think we're going the right direction by removing some power from synergies and augments, empowering more the player in illuvials choice. We're not there yet for sure, and i think everyone will agree that Frost got probably overbuffed, but if you take the patch as a whole it was going in the right direction imo.

[scarlet spindle]

This is outstanding fellas! I have been playing for like 30 games and have not had one single game hang or bug out and need to restart. Cheers!

[fallen vortex]

I just played another match. I'm now convinced Frost is absurd. The rate of stun is INSANE. I know I'm no pro but damn

[worn thicket]

Colossus taunt is bugged

and agro is unintentionally reset for behemoths after their empowered attack meaning that if they have 2 different targets in attack range when they do their empowered attack, they might, or not T_T switch target. @topaz lake @proven ember

[topaz lake]

Maybe the other unit got closer. I will check it. In the meantime, can you report it through CS?

[fallen vortex]

They can switch mid combat?

Idk how to fix Frost but I think its literally unbeatable first 4 rounds. Which is actually kind of fascinating

Omg that gives me an idea for a tweet. But too easy to abuse

[topaz lake]

It is possible depending on the case.

[worn thicket]

sure, so here's how i noticed the issues, my behemoth ranger was backline right next to a Colossus Jotun, yet the opposing slashin was attacking my Ranger and not the Colossus, so chip units dont get the taunt or there's a weird interaction in the game with frost who pops at the same time?

then i move ranger front next to another colossus, and after it's empowered attack the sear just swapped target and started to attack my ranger.

so yes i get that since ranger has smaller hitbox it is technically closer, but i think we'll all agree that the game is better if when you control the focus to go to a specific unit, you should keep attacking that unit until it's dead or out of range.

making the actual report later when i play some games again

or can i bug report from main screen? lemme check

[fallow oasis]

Where can I watch current good teams for playing ranked?

Is there a website that shows the win rates of different teams?

[worn thicket]

yep done @topaz lake

[worn thicket]

we're not there yet. Instead you can follow the right content creators like @bronze spire or @cyan olive to know what's plaied at high elo. They very often provide guides with build orders and explanations alongside the link to import the team they're featuring.

Or on Twitter, Accounts like the Hyperion Guild or myself tend to share with the community the top decks from tournaments/Ladder.

[spare frigate]

could start by reducing the radius.. that aoe is huge! xD

[worn thicket]

my guess would be that it applies frost stacks too often and in an area too large.
i think If i was one to suggest something i'd try reducing the range from 7-10 hexes and have it apply every 3 or 3.5s instead of the 2.5 we have now and see from there how it goes. Still a buff compared to previous frost but i think since behemoth and Vanguards got heavily buffed too + Jotun buff, the Frost synergy would deserve to be not as good.

Overall we're again in the same situation we got with Blazenite nerf previous patch, we're doing giant swings on a way or another and it will be very hard to strike good balance like that.

I liked more the first few patches that were simply trying to fine tune, even if it then takes 3 weeks (assuming 1patch/week like we initially had) to bring something broken to the state of fair, priority is on having the game good for OB and i feel like giant swings delay that.

[fallow oasis]

Well this is understandable, but there is a reference book in the game. For example, I don’t understand what bonuses give: Clumsy, resolve, etc.

The game does not say buffs from these bonuses)

[worn thicket]

for that i'd recommend Illuvialmaster.com they have an entire dictionnary that explains every keyword

[ancient orbit]

Thanks man for that ... wanted to know as well

[edgy flower]

That correct, Devs want to every1 play only frost or I don't know why they do that, after 3 games any player will see how broken frost is now

Maybe beta test is all about creating diff imba decks and seeing how it plays

3.5 sec for proc sounds ~balanced, now it's just crazy

[fallow oasis]

How can I make a command in the game itself? Yesterday I saw it on Viper's stream

[ancient solstice]

I was given a +6 rating, my opponent was given a minus 229, how does it work? 🙂

[reef basalt]

Must be a placement game for your opponent while you were several hundred elo above him

[reef basalt]

We have an article out on all the terms being used as well on illuvidata. Should help

[worn thicket]

If that's a thing, i'm not aware of it. @cyan olive would you mind sharing with us plebs?

[fallen vortex]

Its also super coin flippy lol

[cyan olive]

[cyan olive]

I have no idea what you are talking about

[gritty wren]

https://tenor.com/view/breezy-hacker-im-in-matrix-laptop-gif-22983973

[cyan olive]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[vivid stirrup]

don't forget to sign up for the tournament this saturday!

[queen stump]

Guys,1 question. It's doesn't metter how many hours i streamed illuvium,cuz all ILV will be distributed randomly for all who streamed 3+ hours,right?
Like it doesn't give any boost if you stream more,am I understanting it right?

I am talking about content creators contest

[bronze spire]

worst time for this aussie otherwise id be super keen. Sounds like a fun format

[bronze spire]

@tribal glade can clarify, but i think you dont get better odds if more than 3 hours

[tribal glade]

If you're goal is only the streaming allocation then yes it's randomly selected.

The more you stream and the more chances you have to drive users to use your link, sign up and download the game so it's still beneficial to stream more.

To clarify, there are :

• 77 ILV allocated weekly for creators that drive the most traffic and engagement through their links (as stated above)
• 23 ILV allocated weekly to be distributed to randomly selected streamers who are eligible.

[queen stump]

Okay and second question. What is trackable creator link? Is it like refferal link that if some1 sing up and plays the game i will get creator's points for?

[azure wigeon]

any tournament?

[vivid stirrup]

https://twitter.com/illuvination/status/1752671832153391372

illuvination ♊️ Phantom 🥷 (@illuvination) on X

The first @illuviumio Tournament with Team submission! 👀This is the future!! ✨
Happening this Saturday 6pm UTC!!
Are you signed up yet??

Link below ⬇

Twitter · Jan 31, 2024, 12:35 PM

[iron kayak]

😣 keep crashing

I hate this

[queen stump]

Idk,never had crash in 4 days that i started playing from

[tribal glade]

That is correct, have you applied for the creator program yet?

[queen stump]

I have. Now will play the game with tsunami deck and will try to write a script for guide for new players

I think if last week even a guy with 2 followers on Twitter reffered some1 then I am 100% have some chanses 😅

[tribal glade]

That guy is an article writer on different platforms. His audience isn't on Twitter

[queen stump]

Oh okay. Anyways I think i still have chanses with good content :))

[worn tree]

Hey fellas,

I have been thinking. For the game to have a clearer stage phases (early-mid-late) I propose the following: @topaz lake @coarse echo @proven ember

During rounds 1,2 and 3, tier 0 and 1 units get a slight bonus (say 10% to all stats, of course TBD according to balance).

During rounds 3,4 and 5, tier 2 units get the bonus.

During rounds 4 onwards, tier 3 units get the bonus.

This way you incentive the players to actually play early, mid and late game units.

I would love to know thoughts on this as it is quite impositive, but well balanced could definitely be extremely interesting for meta health and mana curve spending.

[edgy flower]

I'm still want to consider by team update, where unit stage 1 can carry on only aug stage 1, stage 2 can carry 1/2 augs, and stage 3 can carry any augmentation, looks like it will force ppl play late game units and bring some balance against rush decks with 7 little grokko or so.

[west quartz]

on today's Illuvium Arena edition of "who would win", on my left, a 75 MP cost penguin ASSASSIN. on my right, 25 cost green foamy rock. Place your bets.

[worn tree]

lol

[worn tree]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[worn tree]

Groko shiting on the penguin lolz

[brazen quarry]

mvp

[sacred finch]

this seems like a lot of work to develop, maybe if we have more augments that give % stats could have a similar effect of making augments more effective in expensive units than in shitty ones

[edgy bough]

Dang green rock got like 4 heals in penguin almost assassined 3 times 💀

[west quartz]

yeah well in most games the point of an assassin is to insta remove a unit, before it has time to get healed 4 times in 50 seconds

but not that penguin

that penguin takes its time lmao

[hot pond]

The penguin can’t even assassinate a flish before it gets its omega off

[edgy bough]

Too much dancing not enough slashin

[static steeple]

How to tell if an illuvial is physical based damage or energy based?

[worn tree]

Is it a bug when I try to see enemy team and I only see augments, or illuvials, or weapons, but not everything?

[junior geyser]

i experienced this before the latest patch as well

[worn tree]

Same, bug report alert!!!

[worn thicket]

Yeah somehow if you check enemy team during the battle you don't see their illuvials

[worn tree]

Sometimes its illuvials, sometimes its augments.

My theory is that you see w/e enemy player is filtering his team view with.

BUG ALERT!

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-21978827

@cyan olive

[cyan olive]

?

[west plume]

Frost build from your Youtube😀

“Our” frost build now

[nocturne wedge]

there is no way to play arena now if u dont play frost

I have played 10 games and 10/10 frosts

[turbid osprey]

Its not that though, we tested it

It used to be like this every game but seems not totally fixed if you saw it post patch

[worldly token]

is there somewhere I can visually see what "medium area" is? I am sometimes unsure whether the augment affects others or not, because I cannot see the range

[upbeat eagle]

so after the update when i go to epic games to pay arena, there is no option to play or update..... do i need to manually uninstall the old version first?

[reef basalt]

no you just launch it and it should patch automatically

[upbeat eagle]

no option to launch. just says in library and that button doesn't do anything

[vernal forum]

Slashin' is a soft little bish.

[upbeat eagle]

ok. so i got it to launch, but no option to launch from epic games. i had to search for it in my files. this needs to be much easier for the average player.......

[reef basalt]

It is. When I launch epic launcher I see it on my quick links on the left panel. Not sure why youre having an issue. Maybe raising a ticket at #❓❓〕support will help you

[worldly token]

I had a first turn where ranger went to attack ranger and jotun to jotun - why does one ranger attack earlier than the other? shouldnt they be the same pace / distance and everything so be able to attack at the excact same time?

[worn tree]

Just checking 24h later. Anyone has the ballz to claim he knows how to beat frost? Like for real, vs an oponent who knows what is doing.

Frost is overpowered. Its the only issue in the meta. That and bloom being totally fucked up, for the rest, we are very close to a sweet spot in terms of balance.

I hope the team tunes down frost soon, that is fast to do.

Low effort, high reward action. I hope next monday this is addressed as top prio.

[warm epoch]

Do u not just download games to your desktop? I prefer it like that

[junior geyser]

you can definitely launch it on epic games launcher. Just go to library and launch

[iron kayak]

The warp wave augment isn’t working

[upbeat eagle]

That's what I should do.

[tropic moon]

is it possible that there is no effect if the illuvial is stunned? would be pretty sad if that's intended behavior

[iron kayak]

More probably a bug

[west quartz]

is it normal that when jotun casts his omega the heal take 3 to 5 business days to proc ?

[edgy flower]

sorry, we will buff bear ASAP

0 cast time will be fine?

[west quartz]

thanks, much needed

i'm not talking about cast time, he takes his time to cast, but then you have to wait quite some time after the animation and the damage was dealt for the heal to proc, which seems like a bug

[upbeat eagle]

so i have been burried in my business and haven't played arena since it went pvp. im on now and my wifi connection is fine, but it's taken over 5 minutes so far and hasn't paired me with an opponent. are long wait times typical right now?

[edgy bough]

5 mins seems long, are you in ranked or casual?

[upbeat eagle]

casual

[edgy bough]

i think thats not uncommon for casual

lots of players play ranked on a second account, or play survival. i dont think casual is popular

[upbeat eagle]

got it. ty

[vivid stirrup]

if you are longer than 3 mins in que i would restart the que, sometimes it is stuck

[worn tree]

Nope.

Fucked me up 20 elo.

[vale coral]

gg @west plume !

[worn tree]

It is not totally fixed sir

[granite echo]

There is one thing i dont understand. If there is a meta, shouldnt there be an antimeta?
Why no one is focusing on building meta killers?

[uncut comet]

everyone tried error 404 not found

[granite echo]

So there is no counter for frost or behemoth?

[uncut comet]

maybe there is but frost is to op anyway

[granite echo]

I would try anyway

But i am not good at these things

[uncut comet]

its rly complex even if u find a good team u need to get in a lot of games with it to rly figure out if it works and not quitting after one or a few games and sometimes u dont know if its worth the time

[cyan olive]

open fort invoker or blazenite prob best bet to beat frost, kinda cba trying though

[worn tree]

Frost is so fucking broken that there are no counters possible. From there my concern on current's DAO testing team, if there is any.

[cyan olive]

I miss old patch

[granite echo]

I tought maybe that every class has a counter or smtg.
Like rogues being weak against tanks

[worn tree]

Yup, that is what should happen on paper. But frost is too OP right now. My guess is they fix this next week asap.

If they tune down frost and tune up bloom (give it back health regen for gods sake and remove omega scaling to compensate), we have a very good meta balance imho.

[granite echo]

The thing is that my fav illuvials are jotun and sear. And now everyone thinks i am playing them because of meta :))))

[worn tree]

Frost is so fucking broken that not even invokers (who should be naturak counters to behemoth-frost comps) cant deal with them.

[worn tree]

My man, dont worry

I mean sure, AI will soon balance the meta out. But a testing team is needed in the DAO to complement with the emotional feel a machine can't provide.

[arctic turtle]

I'm still trying to beat frost but nothing is working yet but so far the team that came closest of me was a wildfire Templar. I will keep testing till I find a counter team

The biggest difficulty is trying to keep distance to stop freezing

[worldly token]

I got destroyed by a templar team yesterday. matched the same dude immediately again and positioned as far away as I could. When they are moving and not as close together anymore they sadly also get beaten

[arctic turtle]

I think wildfire Templar might be the team to go with it is just a matter of what to have in the rest of the team and how to place them

[worn tree]

Today's summary:

Jotun omega casts a lot on dead targets.

Frost is way too OP and is low agency.

Bloom is destroyed and needs buff.

There is a UX UI bug after round the camera doesnt move as it should.

Much less dc and bugs, amazing job on this end.

Augments shouldn't linearly scale with cost (reasons explained like 24h ago). In a nutshell, there should be a tax for bringing higher raw power on your deck.

Staging incentive:

For the game to have a clearer stage phases (early-mid-late) I propose the following:

During rounds 1,2 and 3, tier 0 and 1 units get a slight bonus (say 10% to all stats, of course TBD according to balance).

During rounds 3,4 and 5, tier 2 units get the bonus.

During rounds 4 onwards, tier 3 units get the bonus.

This way you incentive the players to actually play early, mid and late game units.

[arctic turtle]

"Jotun omega casts a lot on dead targets" yet it is still too op because of frost and still rips apart your team

[worn tree]

Yup, but he is op because behemoth is perhaps a bit too strong and because of frost. The illuvial alone is just fine, but the cast on dead target feels like shit.

[worldly token]

I do not agree with this concept. a 100 cost illuvial should be (more or less) as strong as 4x 25 illuvials (balancewise), right? so it is your strategic choice whether you want to go with big units or small ones. The concept you are describing, everyone would need to play small units the first three rounds. Diversity is good. Plus if you buff them in the first three rounds, the game can be almost over already

[arctic turtle]

I don't think the frost illuviuls are too strong I think they are in a good place themselves the problem is that frost itself is too strong. It can freeze your entire team every 3-5 seconds as the Polar bear and penguin take their time taking every one down one by one

[worn tree]

Then adapt to the meta. Same rules for everyone, more dynamic games. To enrich creativty and game transition. It makes me sick to see decks with 8 illuvials. The definition of meta abuse and matchmaking coinflip.

If we do a meta that encourages illuvial diversity like this, imitating playstyles round by round wont be as easy.

Gameplay must be more dynamic.

[worn tree]

100% agreed

[arctic turtle]

Behemoth is strong I will say that but it only stalls one enemy where frost can stop your entire team and that combo is what is broken. I just hope that what ever they do change is just the frost and let us see how things go from there. I like the polar bear I would still like it to be usable

[worn tree]

I 100% agree with you. Although behe seeme like 5-10% too strong. Frost like 25-30% too strong.

[worldly token]

i do agree, currently it seems like the stronges 8 illuvials are basically very clear and you do not need more / others no matter what match up - which is very bad. but this problem will hopefully get solved when frost wont be as op anymore (fingers crossed)

[arctic turtle]

I think a fix to frost would be to decrease the radius and increase the time between frost ticks

[west quartz]

for the love of god FIX THE FCKIN MATCHMAKING. Now we can even tag people with -250 elo in less than 30 seconds. i'd much rather NOT FIND A GAME than having to play coinflip on a +8 -30 outcome

[fallen vortex]

And between the freezes they can slow your attack speed to insanely low

[arctic turtle]

Decrease the radius to where it only affects one line of illuvials and not the ones behind them

[arctic turtle]

I think that would work

[fallen vortex]

It already does is what im saying

5 sec inbetween stuns isn't that bad. But Ur attack speed is basically 20% inbetween stuns

Practically a perma stun

And the only cleanse in the game is behemoth now 🤣🤣 so that's why every1 has to mirror

[worn tree]

This ☝🏻

[arctic turtle]

Ok ya frost just does too much

[fallen vortex]

If penguin wasn't rogue I don't think it'd be as bad

Pretty hard to escape

[worn tree]

Frost tick frequency should be like 3.5 that is a 40% nerf. Area of effect feels ok.

[arctic turtle]

Ya if you could set up space in between to increase the distance between illuviuls to try to avoid the frost he just jumps in

[worldly token]

but to give some positivity - i really like that you bring new ideas and also your testing feedback. more people should do that. I often catch myself just playing the game and not paying too much attention to bugs and issues (trying to get better with that)

[cyan olive]

or if vanguard wouldn´t taunt to cancel/not allow casts

[arctic turtle]

The cancellation is so bad right now you get cancelled by taunt, frost, and stun

[worn tree]

Thank you man ❤️

[worn tree]

But we cant expect the frost composite not to have rogue class. So we need to balance the composite 👍🏻

[hot blaze]

Is it even worth to try play now or will I get against the same team 90% of the time cause they're too strong and everyone uses it?

Pretty bad at the game but won't learn much if it's always the same comp you're facing

[fallen vortex]

The Frost synergy on penguin prevents casting and dps pretty hard its wild

[fallen vortex]

It wss already pretty bad before. There is a lot of stuns in Illuvium. But yeah Frost has just added to it and it's wild to see in action

[fallen vortex]

What I don't get is Frost wasn't really buffed was it? So why is it suddenly so good? Is it just cause Jotun became a God?

[scarlet spindle]

They sped it up from every 4 seconds to every 2.5

[arctic turtle]

It was buffed they cut tick time almost in half and increases the radius

[cyan olive]

it got like a 500% buff

[arctic turtle]

But I think another thing is that everything else that would of been able to counter it got nerfed

[manic oriole]

how do i get the rewards for arena?

[worn tree]

Slashin is very strong right now

[worn tree]

It was massively buffed sir. From 4 to 2.5 i like a 75% buff.

[worn tree]

Additionally, they buffed frost specific units massively (both pengolin and polar bear line) and vanguard got buffed.

Vanguard feels great now, doesnt feel OP.

So yeah, everything revolving slashin and jotun got massively buffed.

[worn tree]

Math error 404 🥴

[sacred finch]

I played a game that I didn't bet warpwave thinking it wouldn't work and worked, next game i picked warpwave and it didn't work, I think frost is what is canceling the activation (as if it wasn't good enought)

[worn tree]

Hahahahahahahahahhahah the hidden extre frost buff 🤣🤣 makes sense, it freezes the wave

Yday it fucked me up a game vs rank 3

Imagine investing 50g for not getting the wave

[sacred finch]

Can we delete frost from the game already?

Or remove the frozen part of it, let it just reduce the atk speed and blind and it is already a great synergy

[young wagon]

They have nerfed a huge amount of things, and they have buff frost, jotun, vanguard, behemoth... and the result is as expected, I don't know what the people who balance the game think, as soon as you play 2 games you will realize that what they have done makes no sense. I have lost 2 games in a row against a guy who is so good that he puts his frost ranger on the opposite side of the board... I have positioned all the important units outside of frost, and he has won every round. People haven't realized it yet, but soon everyone will be playing that and the game will be unplayable until they fix it, you will only be able to play frost and at most, something that will counter it, if something manages to counter it.

[west plume]

its a good game...

[young wagon]

The game can be good and terribly poorly balanced. The previous patch was very poorly balanced, it was more understandable because they are touching things like augments, or many units have to be tweaked. What they have done with this patch is simply doing things wrong. It is normal to have problems, especially when you are defining mechanics, the problem with this patch is not knowing how to balance the game.

[hot blaze]

Yea honestly hard yo understand how they didn't notice frost would be too op

[granite echo]

All i am wishing for arena is for everyone to be playing different teams
Less fun when everyone plays the same teams

[west plume]

yep,if you are not playing frost you are Cucked

[cyan olive]

tbh, old patch had like 5-8 teams that were playable with the intention of winning, it really wasn´t that bad on a balance side re numbers

[proven coral]

Agree with this

[young wagon]

There were some units that were very broken, like the buffalo, and also some augments. But there were more things that could be played. Right now it looks pretty bad.

[cyan olive]

yeah ofc there was super strong stuff, but it was rock paper scissors, atm it is pretty much only frost and maybe some teams, that try to play frost early->transition to something else

[sacred finch]

now it is just a big rock and a bunch of scissors

[wicked cloak]

i lo vehow a 10 sword ranger can beat a 70 sword ranger in a 1v1

[nocturne finch]

this patch was legitimately worse than the last one. At least you could play a few different comps

[worn tree]

The patch has had many great implementations. Augment adjustments are great imho. And the nerfs were on point other than bloom. All the patch needs is nerf frostand we gucci

But the balancing team clearly needs fine tuning. This is unafordabble if we want to go mainstream.

I know its Beta and shit, but man, this frost shit was so easy to see after a day of testing.

[granite echo]

What does the pulsating light at the end of the round?

[ancient pebble]

It’s alright we are still in beta just need to find a better balance espically when we have to fight using our own illuvials

[worn tree]

This:

Read from here

[granite echo]

Thanks, i always lose when it appears :)))

I cant even reach top 1000 😦

[worn tree]

Game needs study sir, you will make it

[fallen vortex]

Holy damn, no wonder

[gritty wren]

are there only frost and some psion decks

[west plume]

@ebon flume Good luck

[reef forge]

🤓

[ebon flume]

Tried the fighter Bloom side of it but seems mystic works better

GG

And I suck XD

[civic grotto]

First we had Umbre, then Bird, after that it was enchanter/mystic, now is frost.. I wonder what is next

[worldly jolt]

Really?!?

[sacred finch]

the ranger who attacks first deal the 4th attack during the opponent 4th attack animation, then you not only stun the opponent but also cancel his stun attack, from there the stunned ranger don't get to play the game anymore 🙂

[echo yew]

Shocked to see no hot fix

[west quartz]

tbh the real mvp of this meta, the best damage dealer of them all, is Overtime.

[civic grotto]

1. Does AOE 2. Deals true dmg 3. It never stops 4. Its inevitable

[bronze spire]

I agree it very likely needs nerfing but we have to remember last patch we thought things were broken only for a day or two later to have a new meta. I think the nature of it being a 1v1 team builder game things will feel way more imbalanced

Enchanter tsunami only popular mid patch, 5 earth counter to bloom came even later and mud mystic back to being popular right at the end

[cyan olive]

Even if there would be other playable teams, which seems unlikely and I barely ever say that, the rng of frost vs frost or frost/behemoth vs anything in terms of do you counter cast/stun at the right time/roll the crit on 4th atk aka behemoth proc is unreasonable

Then again people wanted more rng in the game, you got it with this atm

Playing slotmaschine every game

[bronze spire]

100% my biggest issue too, the perma stun rng isn’t good

[cyan olive]

I can barely ever tell why I win/lose a fight, positioning isn’t a 50/50 flip on which side anymore you can’t even tell if you are supposed to win or lose atm, as the cast/stun stuff feels insane

[sacred finch]

I had my ranger with 70 cost weapon and 40 cost armor losing a 1v1 to a 10 cost weapon no armor ranger once

[cyan olive]

Oh I forgot you can dodge the 4th hit as well

The way the game makes crit/dodge happen behemoth shouldn’t be 20/25% on 4th attack but 5/6.25 every attack

[zenith mist]

We all agree frost is absurdly broken and needs balancing asap. Hopefully the team will patch this quickly

[west quartz]

Dumb question about mystic, is the shield value per mystic for each unit ? Like if I have 2 mystic shielding 200, is it 400 shield ? And are those 400 shield on each teammate or spread accros all my team ?

[bronze spire]

Some people at the top aren’t playing 3 frost. Give it time

[warped basalt]

How is it possible that your illuvials are stunned the whole game, they just nod their heads repeatedly and don't even make an attack the whole game + that their energy disappears without even seeming like they tried to give omega abilities, what the hell are the bugs these??

[karmic token]

yes 😅 😅 , they are stuck in an infinite movement of the head or what the hell is that..

or they are stunned when they try to give omega ability, (just try) but the energy is already wasted😑

[uncut comet]

what are they playing 😅

[civic grotto]

I like how majority of augments are now useless

Temporal safeguard, the only thing that can counter frost was giga nerfed

[west quartz]

You’re harsh on augments

[bronze spire]

I’ve probs already snitched enough by saying that hahaha

(Also not even sure it’s better than 3 frost)

[west quartz]

I mean, paying 40 gold to get 12 resist on your team, a whopping 4% damage reduction, ain’t it nice

[uncut comet]

3 verdant haha?

[warm epoch]

Yeahh I’ve been waiting for the day behemoth is finally useful and I’m stoked but it’s so annoying losing to another frost person when it feels like I’m just losing by chance

[granite echo]

After a day of playing ranked, i ended up with fewer points than i started 😅

[tulip tiger]

anyone want to test builds?

[azure wigeon]

where is the discord paz? already register

[tulip tiger]

#1169004294473793597 look in there for phantom guild 🙂

[twin iris]

is there any rewards for survival?

[bronze spire]

negative

[twin iris]

will it be at some point?

[bronze spire]

havent heard any indication of that. Good practice to learn the game though leading to rewards in pvp

[edgy bough]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[grand bluff]

You know what Frost reminds me of?

CC in Overwatch xD The situation is that everyone is complaining the CC is too strong with the ridiculous stuns and slows.

The next step is to introduce an illuvial/synergy that cleanses and immunize an area with synergy (referring to Kiriko) to make the game even better.

[worldly jolt]

Hmm cleanse

[vivid stirrup]

#1169005140972413048 message

[cosmic zealot]

The most egregious part about this game in its current state is not even that a team with a 98% play rate isn't hotfixed immediately, but instead that ability casts can be interrupted 85% of the way through the cast animation.

Happens to be an indirect buff of frost in its current state on top of that

This is basic

[west quartz]

well it's the weekend so they're probably off

i hope they react on monday though

Imagine discovering illuvium this weekend, and playing frosties coin flips for 15 games straight xD

[serene lance]

I honestly hate mirror matches so much lol

[calm steeple]

dont play frost bears then, problem solved:)

[cosmic zealot]

Genuinely can't believe this isn't in the game already. Cast buffering has been the standard in games like these for years at this point. Three second animation Rhamphyre casts getting canceled entirely for 0 LOL

[grand bluff]

Despite the Frost mirror being rather boring, I wanna say that the new patch made me not disconnect/crash/show random white error message anymore ❤️

It's much smoother now even if I have unstable connections sometimes.

[vivid stone]

Okay so I suck even more this time around 😅

[velvet wyvern]

When is the weekly reser?

Reset*

[grand bluff]

I don't think there's a weekly reset?

[velvet wyvern]

Then when is the snapshot i mean 🙂

[grand bluff]

Ohh.

I think it's Thursday 00:00 UTC

[velvet wyvern]

For the rewards 🙂

Ohh i see

Its confirmed?

[grand bluff]

Nope, but it's mentioned.

And that's what I know.

[velvet wyvern]

But its important nah?

[grand bluff]

Important as in...?

I mean if you're climbing, then it's important to know what rank you should achieve to get what rewards you want.

[velvet wyvern]

I have time till play the required games until the weekly snapshot to keep mysef in play on the leaderboard i mean

So i will have a push game night before the snapshot each week this is why important the day for me 😄

[grand bluff]

Ohh I see.

Well I think it should be Thrusday UTC 00:00, but you can ask the mods usually Rich knows.

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message <- Here I found the message Rich wrote regarding the next snapshot @velvet wyvern

[winter dagger]

This is easily the least fun the game has been since launch please fix ASAP

[velvet wyvern]

Gg quants that was a hard one

[cyan olive]

patate played blazenite after frost opening, some others have tried blazenite as well, as soon as your opponent realizes to not frontline their team it doesn´t win anymore though as far as I am aware

[gritty wren]

Greater Temporal Safeguard every 2 omegas are 2 omega casts from the equipped illuvial right

[turbid osprey]

yes

[worn tree]

Otherwise it would be broken my brother

[cursive echo]

Doing 7 hours of arena 'to stay in the same rank is exhausted

[edgy flower]

kekw

it is what it is

[cursive echo]

Yes I just know an observation of my messed up morning

@worn tree Congratulations on your performance with this icy patch

[uncut comet]

rip forever frost until hotfix :S

[civic grotto]

+15 for win
-26 for lost 😂

[cursive echo]

We shouldn't have so much loss of points, we're so demotivated

[cyan olive]

To be fair if we’d be +-0 win lose we’d just go grind to 10k

Would be less demotivating if we had matchhistory showing a 60-70% winrate I think

[cyan olive]

I keep thinking of how one could make invoker boards, but I think you need turn 7 mastery points to win consistently

[vivid stirrup]

gm! y'all ready for the tournament tonight? 🙂
https://twitter.com/illuvination/status/1752671832153391372

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The first @illuviumio Tournament with Team submission! 👀This is the future!! ✨
Happening this Saturday 6pm UTC!!
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you have to bring 2 unique decks, that means everybody will play frost in one team, but what is the second team gonna look like? 🙂

[cursive echo]

You stream I need to rest watching you

[cyan olive]

soon

[edgy flower]

sorry, its too hard to create uniqe decks without augs and think what will be better, and i cant make it anyway today D :

[worn tree]

Thank you sir 🤝🏻 really tryharded to get those juicy rewards

[worn tree]

If they nerf frost, invokers will win the matchup

[cyan olive]

yeah obv

but there are prob other techs vs invoker/clump corner

[worn tree]

There definitely are many counters to invoker, but at least frost wont be a monopoly

[alpine dagger]

Trying to grind from top25 to top10 with huge stress 😄 and then facing viper on smurf acc who stressless drinks coffee and have fun trying meta counters 😦

Why smurf in top 25 u are top1 , let us try to tackle your main acc, or let us grind our way to top 1 with other top ranked players on their main accs

For healthy match making rating system we must avoid smurfing, and adjust casual to be played for testing and chilling, while ranked should be only used to place your self in match making system , and adjust your position in similar skill lobby

If i am facing best player in game i wanna lose 5 point max for losee, bcz that fair and healthy rank system, i dont want to lose 50 for 2 games, where i are my main rating at your smurf... I win i get 20 ? No logic , my ein against you should make huge impact on my rating

What do you think bro ?

@cyan olive

I respect all the work to help players , make tutorial content and everythingz respect sir , but i think we should reconsider impacting healthy leaderboard at lost highest rating possible

[cyan olive]

wdym meta counter i play frost like anyone else

and I debuff myself streaming and talking idk

[alpine dagger]

Do you think its healthy to stay at top1, and keep deranking ppl around you at top25 with acc that doesnt apply to leaderboard insteed of keeping your position by playing on main acc if there are playeers who risk their main rating to play the game without smurfs to practice metas and meta counters and positions against high ranked players

Smurfing should not been done by best player in top bracket at least out of respect for players

[worn tree]

Man, let him play his smurf at the rank he likes. After all it doesnt affect your rewards as smurf dont count towards ranking.

[alpine dagger]

Or lets just put our mains in leaderboard and make all smurf accounts and prevent other players from beating our main account bcz we wont sweat for our priceless leaderboard position

[gritty wren]

its not healthy but its not his fault

[alpine dagger]

I know its not his mistake,but he is abusing it somehow, not sure if he is aware or not

[gritty wren]

everybody does it

[alpine dagger]

I am just trying to put some attention to it, we need to understand how healthy mmr systems work, we cant ruin it

[gritty wren]

the ones who dont do it are dumb or dont care

[alpine dagger]

It does affect us

[gritty wren]

its the system

[alpine dagger]

So ppl choose to abuse every system hole ? Lets work together toward better things

Not abuse everything we can

[gritty wren]

its communicated that its allowed

[alpine dagger]

Makijg smurf acc naming it same as your name to be recognised? And thats all? We are just free to play ?

[gritty wren]

yes

then you are part of the problem too

XD

[alpine dagger]

And ruin healthy system of mmr matchmaking , and competitive real spirit

[gritty wren]

yes

[alpine dagger]

My codex doesnt allow me mate, sadly hope they fix this

Or make a rule about it

I might have highest experience in autobattler games, been playing mode in dota2 before in other kind of autochess existed, played tft, mbl chess, and dota underlords + heroes of kigjr and magic autobattler, and i am winning ez against smratass xborg, and other real 25 ranked , then i face top1 player, he is 2000+ mmr, i am 1820 trying to hit top 10 as current rank 23 , if i face highest ranked skill player like other top 5 players i lose 4.5.6.7 points max, bcz that the real mmr system healthy calculation

I am telling you that if i play against top1 player i should lose 5 points ,not 25 , bcz he is playing on plat1 smurf acc xd that 1800 mmr

So tell me how doesnt his smurf acc affect me in leaderbaord ?

[gritty wren]

but what would be the solution

[alpine dagger]

Look i am not complaining i need to see is it going to be reconsidered or ignored, i need to recheck before i do something that i asumed unmoral to system and game and other players especially.. so yeah i can make smurf acc and protect my highly ranked acc after i fill 15 games easy weekly if that is fine

🙂

[gritty wren]

only allow one account? you think people will do that

then people play undercover on smurfs and even cheat with getting rewards

[sacred finch]

even the augment that would counter frost's blind initially got nerfed 🫂

[alpine dagger]

Use that augment as t1, and take truesight for 20

F attack speed

20 is cheap

[sacred finch]

it's after 6 attacks now and only matters in the first 5 seconds when everyone is blind

[alpine dagger]

Effect is fine

Forst apply later by frost units

Not only 5 sec

Every2.5 s after tht

They proc freeze

[sacred finch]

and the agument is useless against that

[alpine dagger]

Idk i am using 2 cleanse items

Frost mirror is about good ranger pathing, and fair position awarness

There is no sich thing as augment counter at this point

Last meta had more options to be played

Now we have frost + anything other that comes in handy

[grand bluff]

15 games winstreak weekly is not easy though.

[alpine dagger]

No need for winstreak

Just be at 0

Some wins soem lose , and there you go

[grand bluff]

As rank 1, you'll lose more when you lose compared to winning.

So you gotta win more on a weekly basis on the 15 games.

[alpine dagger]

I know but if u are best playerz u just gain more and more mmr, u dont hide bbehind smurf acc

Preventing ppl from tackling your position right ?

[grand bluff]

Um no...? I don't get what you mean by "u just gain more and more mmr"

[alpine dagger]

I didnt mind for any smurfs , i won 2 games , lost 1 almost made it 3:0 personal vs viper_2 on last meta bcz it requested some knowlage, strategy position , and all

Now we gamble our

High rating accounts

On thos frost proc

With smurf account thst dont care about lose or ein

Just used to gain knowlage for meta and game and content

But reconsider doing it in top rating , its not healthy

[worn tree]

How is he abusing? Explain yourself

[grand bluff]

I'm trying to understand what you're saying ra but I don't xD Sorry, but good luck with the discussions with others.

[alpine dagger]

I just explained above

[worn tree]

The impact of him to you is statistically the same as he is applying to your peers.

So if you cant beat viper2, players who deserve to be your elo wont either. If they are better, they will surpass him and go higher.

[alpine dagger]

I dont get it how you miss the point , let me simplify it

[grand bluff]

I know you've just tried explaining above, but your explanation didn't help me in understanding what you're trying to say. It's like I'm talking about A and you're talking about B.

[alpine dagger]

Wait

Illuvination FNTM current enemy

Xd

[cyan olive]

he is saying if I play on an 1800 acc while supposedly being better than that it makes climbing harder for others

which isn´t really true, as I am obv playing to win and that is more or less my elo when I stream/talk etc.

just playing the game like everyone else

[worn tree]

W/e you explained is not affecting you only, but also your peers. So any point you attempt os invalid. Smurfs will dilute among other players as the playerbase grows. Stop complaining about silly things and man up.

[alpine dagger]

Im telling you i should play with average 1800 mmr player to proceed from 1800 to 1900, not with the player that is 2000+ , bcz if 1800 mmr players loses game against 2000+ mmr ,he loses average 5 mmr, but in this case, that i had, 2000+ mmr player took 25 mmr per game from me
. bro i hope i dodnt offend you, i am not offended, i am just trying to discuss the health of the mmr system

[cyan olive]

also true, if it would hinder people, it would hinder everyone else

in reality in current meta playing vs me/smurfs on 1800 prob better avg elo gain than random on 1600 with frost deck

[cyan olive]

I mean I am not 2k in this meta

have played 0 games on main even

but that is besides the point

[alpine dagger]

If community consider smurf accounts that are not eligible for leaderabord deranking ppl in top 25 i will start doing it as well , ty for your patience

I think thats not fine and healthy but w.e

I dont have issue winning against any player in game, i just expected some basic rules but w.e lets enjoy game

I practice new meta on my main acc in top 25 , and i dont mind losing some leaderabord adventage to learn and practice against best players, felt bad and not right about making smurf acc for that so i wanted to see what ppl think about that, bcz i know i will give harsh times for many, same strugle i had to overcome to climg

[worn tree]

It is very healthy imo sir. Same system as chess.

[cyan olive]

it is the same system as any other game

I wonder if the people complaining about more than 1 acc know anything about e.g. league of legends

people make new accounts, don´t have close to perfect first 20-40 games, go new acc again

if you wanna play for high elo, due to mmr

[vivid stirrup]

Tournament tonight is cancled due to low Sign-Ups!
We will reconsider Ruleset, Timeframe, Format and other factors and come back with a better and bigger one in the near future! 🙌

[south glacier]

Why does the healing area of Verdant not Cleanse/immune for Units standing in it? Would be really helpful against that frost bullshit

Who thought it would be fun to implement a mechanic that covers the whole field and is impossible to counter?

[edgy flower]

@sacred finch actually catch not frost D :

whyyyy

xd

let me know wen u ill find game

[sacred finch]

Also trying to test something different 🤣

[sacred finch]

found

[edgy flower]

maybe should sawp bit later and play few with water

or if u will positioning better then i have no chanse idk

[sacred finch]

the plan is to go full water turn4, but since you give me the first 3 rounds for free i think i could lose turn 4 to transition faster

[wind otter]

How to counter this triple frost at early. Jotun and slashin?

[edgy flower]

complain here to force devs fix this faster

this is the best counter to it

[cyan olive]

pls mr devs, one frost hotfix, thank u

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-marin-anime-marin-takigawa-my-dress-up-darling-gif-25990288

[grand bluff]

@cyan olive Permafrost xD

[cyan olive]

[agile jasper]

@vivid stirrup how do we sign up?

[eternal kestrel]

they need to let these ultimates get off . how come my illuvial is within a microcentimeter from being full for like 3 whole seconds .... im screaming at it to go off and then my illuvial gets killed . is there some kind of mechanic if youre getting gangbanged by 3 illuvials your ult cannot trigger or something like that? heres some feedback add some ultimates or a purchasable augment which gives invincibility frames to the beginning of your ultimate. but im not even talking about getting killed during your ults startup (tatopee ofc) which sucks, but im talking about when the bar looks full for ever and a day and doesnt go off! great game and everything. thats what i want though! let my guy get his ult off sheesh

[warm rivet]

Lost 200mmr now on mirrors ONLY beacause of coinflips😂😂 FML

We want more Open meta ofc, frost / jotun needs hotfix. Frost cant stun/interuppt like it does, impossible.
We cant have meta with only 1 possible round 1😂

[warped ocean]

Meteoric Onslaught does not cast after the first 3 seconds even tho it says in description it should

[sacred finch]

only if the carrier get frozen

[vivid stirrup]

tournament was called off. there is a little event going on tho on the phantom twitter page

[edgy bough]

was there ever clarification about rewards for main account or simply highest account on leaderboard?

[edgy flower]

can be any acc, but all time the same, cant change from week to week the best

[warped basalt]

Why can't I post videos here, show the 1000 bugs or whatever the hell they are... this is already becoming one of the most frustrating games.

[edgy bough]

ok so its whatever account you select to be 'your main' and not just the best account that week?

[edgy bough]

not sure about videos but you should be able to post screenshots? but they recommend you report bugs in game also

[worldly jolt]

Try to Post them in #❓❗〕community-help

[rain coral]

It is a restriction to prevent bot spam; only people with level 5 on Discord can post videos/images, but you can send them to support in #❓❓〕support or #❓❗〕community-help

[worldly jolt]

Or if you actually want to improve the game report it to the team by pressing B in game

[edgy flower]

yep

[karmic token]

a screenshot is of no use if the bug has already happened.

[worn tree]

Question, if you do not play 15 games per week, you are not eligible for that week's rewards, right?

[edgy bough]

you can report a bug without screenshot, pretty sure its still helpful for the team

[edgy bough]

on ur main account yah

[warped basalt]

in vain I make a screenshot and send it to them, they can't see how my illuvials use omega ability and don't even take a damage, or don't heal even if in the specific ability or die in front of other illuvials even if they are not attacked.

[worn tree]

Thanks 👍🏻

[edgy bough]

GG on leaderboard lately 🔥

[young wagon]

I have tried playing invokers to counter frost because their damage is not based on attacks but on casting abilities. It hasn't been of any use, between the stuns and the ice... Could they even revert the changes to frost and related units?

It's a very simple thing to do, and then you'll see if Frost really needed a buf or not.

I keep getting beat by people who put their frost mele ranger on the opposite side of the board... just because they play those pieces...

[wicked cloak]

i havent won the round 1 rng battle in about 12 matchups, its getting extremely annoying lol

[worn tree]

Thanks dude 🤝🏻❤️

[dull wind]

you really pushed hard @worn tree GJ figuring the meta!

[worn tree]

As I said guys, I manned the fuck up hahahaha ❤️

[arctic gyro]

Are there any forums or teams to follow/join to gain knowledge about arena? I watch a ton of youtube videos about the meta but can't seem to grasp it when it comes to using the teams.

[worn tree]

Interesting game @cyan olive

[cyan olive]

yeah unlucky I lose coinflip turn 1 and last turn

[worn tree]

Happens to the best of us, life is a coinflip brother

[gritty wren]

super shit update

and i thought last patch was bad

maybe its not my type of game

[eternal kestrel]

this is common in beta development where the patch over buffs something weak or vice verse , which will just be another blip in history after the next patch

or maybe theres counters ppl arent noticing and theyre just takin the scrubs way out idk

[young wagon]

I have found a bug with frost. When a unit goes to cast its ability and is frozen, it casts it, loses mana but does no damage. I'm not talking about the skills that the character casts for a long time like singe, I'm talking about skills like Ophisto's, where the character does the animation, you see the spell, it loses the mana but it doesn't do damage.

[young wagon]

I don't think what's happening with the game is the game's fault, it's the patch's fault. What is worrying is that they want the game to be an eSport and release a patch like this.

[gritty wren]

i wouldnt even watch pros on this when all play the same

and always do the same stuff

but was last patch also now even worse

aaron said in AMA they are not focusing the balancing because not all illuvials are out yet. makes sense for me but i hope the game gets there where its fun for all and not only for you hardcore pixel perfect grinder XD

[young wagon]

The current meta is that you either play frost or you die. It's not fun for anyone right now.

[gritty wren]

i tried yesterday night something with early rushing rouges with dust but i think its not possible

[eternal kestrel]

man i bet 90% of any esport has had patches where something was op and got adjusted. many of them had items banned by competitive community.

[eternal kestrel]

that makes a ton of sense. peoples perception of the game suffers a bit of course. but if you think ppl are salty about this wait until balance updates affects the cards theyre hoarding as their life savings.

ppl will buy 400 copies of an op card and then when its nerfed theyre scornful 4 ever more

[young wagon]

Every game has balancing issues, and I don't think I've ever seen a patch on any game as poorly balanced as this one. I have never played a game where only one composition could be played in any card game or autobattler. And the worrying thing is that you only needed to try the composition a little to realize how broken it was.

[eternal kestrel]

just makes you think their balance team is focused on their internal game which has all the illuvials unlocked including some hard counters against the polar bear. im not defending the patch but i do think its of little worry. i keep in context the curve of being a young companys first live pvp service

[mighty tulip]

We got any other sites than illuvialmaster that track match history?

Illuvialmaster no longer recognises my username 😕

[young wagon]

But you only need to play 2 games with that composition to see how broken it is... or you just need to use your head a little to realize that if you nerf a lot of pieces in the game, and then boost almost everything in the composition of frost, it's going to be very broken. It has no explanation or justification.

[eternal kestrel]

now they have the stats to see how much of a pendulum swing is caused by X stat movement. theyre building out their process

[worn tree]

Dont worry man, they will soon be implementing an AI system to balance the game out. So this imbalance issues will completely vanish.

Dont give up and keep learning because this game and this IP is here to stay.

I also know that the team is studying additional ways to improve testing phase.

[edgy flower]

Edi, just tell us you will hotfix frost 🙂

[eternal kestrel]

that sounds awesome. i havent heard too many games implementing ai adjusted balancing

[worn tree]

Consider Illuvium a DAO that is investing massively on its own future. Front running infra development in terms of game design, art design and overall game creation. It is an exponential machine that starts slowly and then grows faster and faster. This IP has high chances to conquer the world of entretainment.

[zenith mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799125503026003988/1164663278211973290/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif?ex=65440833&is=65319333&hm=707f84803138927d16bfdae642b0a1f71b7ce05059c37bf3555f96ec7439439c&

@topaz lake

[topaz lake]

I remember when they added Marci in dota, that unit was completely busted. It was in every comp for 3 weeks until they looked into it. The result after the nerf was that Marci went from S+ tier to C tier. 2 weeks later it was buffed and never changed for 3 months.

During all this time-frame, I was playing Lifestealer, completely ignoring that unit. (Ignore as is: avoid it in the lane as much as possible to not screw my econ)

[topaz lake]

It depends where you check 🤔

[edgy flower]

I check in the game where I face unbeatable frost in 99% of matchups

If i ignore frost and don't play it - I lose to it unfortunately

So now I'm gold2 xd

[eternal kestrel]

whos got the frost counter deck handy

[young wagon]

There are times when a unit or composition doesn't work because people don't know how to play it. Or it works too well because people don't know how to counter it. In this case, people win without even knowing how to play the composition, or position their units... in the best, best case scenario, the entire game will revolve around frost and only decks that can counter it will be played , if there is anything that can counter a composition that makes the rest of the pieces literally unable to do anything, even the sorcerers themselves who don't rely on auto attacks, and if that weren't enough, the composition is based on tanks like jotun that stun, heals itself and does a lot of damage, and rogues so that you have no way to avoid or counter sinergy. If you really are not able to realize how poorly balanced it is, you have a huge problem.

In fact it can be easily summarized: your units can't attack, they can't cast abilities, they can't hide, they can't kill their units. I don't see how something like that can be considered balanced.

[nocturne finch]

they even cancel omegas... gyro uses his omega and spins into a frost... if he gets frozen he stops in his place and does no damage and no dust cloud

[granite osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/strolling-nat-geo-wild-wandering-walking-around-snowy-gif-20536436

[worn tree]

Theres absolutely no other option than play early and mid game with frost-behemoth, this is how broken the meta is right now.

[timber wasp]

Im having the same problem too

[summer frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pinguins-pingouins-angry-penguin-penguin-gif-21727125

[worn tree]

What a funny turn of events lol @supple beacon @summer frigate @echo yew 🤣

I just meta slaved, but I feel no special. I hope you get it know, its called integrity.

[echo yew]

what u talking about i havnt compalined once about frost

[spare frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-without-gif-4802133016629640180

[edgy bough]

ppl are forgetting Polar Bear is an Apex predator for a reason 🐻‍❄️

[west quartz]

@stray gull any plans to fix the matchmaking so we don't tag a player 200 elo below us ?

[west quartz]

except you cannot avoid frost on the board here

[nocturne finch]

you cant even test other decks

[gloomy barn]

I had such high hopes for the penguin and now he gets backline solo tanked by a cling /sigh

[west quartz]

you mispelled grokko

[granite osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-bear-plush-bear-cute-japanese-character-bear-gif-27683218

[honest talon]

Such a perfect gif lol

[vale coral]

gg @sharp geyser

[grand bluff]

I play dota too! And I remember the days when Marci was broken af 😂

[queen stump]

Does anyone know if this is a real Ceb that plays with 7Mad nickname?

[hardy minnow]

what's with the frost team appearing 100% on my matches haha, that stun and frost cancels out everything 😦

[trail edge]

Holy hell this game is not newbie friendly LOL

Aside from constantly getting beatdown in ranked is there a good way to learn this? Lol.

I have no problems tanking my ELO but what's the fastest way to actually learn this?

[west quartz]

450 elo points diff. +3 on a win, -40 if i lose. it's really wrong.

[trail edge]

I think almost every game has this problem when the userbase isn't large enough.

I remember having similar problems in SC2.

[west quartz]

ik, but it's better to not find a game than to be matched with someone that far

[cursive echo]

@west quartz GL

[west quartz]

u2 mate

gj you won the first coin toss

[trail edge]

My initial game matched 750 with like 900+ or something.

Also I notice in the teambuilder I have 3 starter teams.. how do I select which one is being used in game? lol

[brazen quarry]

Those starter teams are not gonna do much for you in this meta, you have to build your own

[trail edge]

I am fine to lose just to understand gameplay / game flow haha.

Can't theorycraft if I have no idea how the game works 😅

[west quartz]

gj

was fun playing roulette with you

[cursive echo]

yes

[worn tree]

lol no man, I wasn't referring to this

[west quartz]

@vivid stirrup stuck too ?

[vivid stirrup]

yes

yikes D:

[vivid stirrup]

u tried clicking surrender?

[west quartz]

yup

[vivid stirrup]

still stuck?

[west quartz]

nop

[cyan olive]

should just be transparent at what que time it looks for what difference more or less, if you are 2k+ and can´t get 200 lower chance exists you wont ever get a game

[west quartz]

would you rather get a match against a 1700 player as 2K, or not find a match ?

if you're telling me the majority of people prefers risking a +5 -35 than not finding an opponent, then my bad

[serene lance]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-kristoff-snow-crusted-gif-16652123577596754561

[worldly token]

was there any info yet on the first snapshot? i would really like to know how many smurf accounts needed to be removed xD

[cyan olive]

depends on the meta, sometimes games vs 1700 are 100%, then yes

[next flame]

I just beat @cursive echo but was his alt and 20 other alt accounts lol I think I should get more points to!

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-elsa-shocked-windy-gif-24646905

[mighty tulip]

No point being 2k+ if you can't get your 15 games in each week.

Surely part of being a top player eligible for high rewards is the risk you take on playing lower elo.

[cursive echo]

I tested an old unplayable team 7 fighter so I give points😆

[next flame]

I welcome your testing sir! Always a fun game!

And Venom1915 probably a brand new player with exact same team as the game before lol

GG

[spare frigate]

@echo ginkgo that team.. wp ser!
ill be stealing and adjusting xo

https://tenor.com/view/eeyore-eeyore-winnie-the-pooh-windy-windy-weather-umbrella-gif-4466797238746251662

[next flame]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-money-chappelle-king-cash-gif-5008243

[west quartz]

when viper has to risk a -50 +5 against a top 25 player, do you consider this risk fair ?

[edgy flower]

yes coz he want to be top1 player lol

[next flame]

How did he get to the top? Not playing?

He just has push start stop every 2 seconds to get a top 20 game lol

[west quartz]

if you have to queue unqueue every 2 seconds, then it kinda proves the system has an issue

[next flame]

lol not me bro I just play for fun so I push play go get a beer push play on a poscast and chill

[mighty tulip]

It's not about being fair. It's about getting the balance needed between playing 15 each week and finding appropriate opponents.

Best a high elo player can do is pick the busiest times to play. Stick to weekends maybe 🤷‍♂️

[worn tree]

To the DAO:

Bulwarks are still too strong, they need to be tuned down.

[spare frigate]

Dear frost..

[worn tree]

Just a bit

[spare frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-james-fuck-yo-couch-dirty-shoes-couch-stomp-gif-16208682

[brazen quarry]

I love how we keep nerfing everything, soon we will just go back to empaths to see who can survive the timer the longest 😄

[next flame]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-rick-james-come-here-inviting-in-gif-4104398

[spare frigate]

instead of going backwards on nerfing just buff everything up? easier to balance? it would make them all really really strong

[next flame]

Quicker matches for sure!

[bronze spire]

I think it’s more that behem is too crazy damage atm, Also if augs were strong less of an issue

Congrats on rank 1 btw!

[worn tree]

I agree, but I still think bw team buff is too effective.

[worn tree]

Thank you very much sir ❤️🤝🏻

[mighty tulip]

Is it the damage though? Looks more like the stun/ freeze combo that's breaking the game rn imo

[brazen quarry]

Yeah some things will need buff instead 🙂

[bronze spire]

True, guess I just like it as a staple option for people to add to decks

[cyan olive]

we prob are not far off from that

[brazen quarry]

I don't even play the game and I know it 😅

[bronze spire]

Hmm well 3 frost isn’t being used anymore and verdant behem ranger is somewhat close to being as good as frost. Both probs too good lol

[trail edge]

Does anyone else feel this game is horrifically inaccessible for new players?

I'm all for ILV and I've played quite a bit of Hearthstone/Battlegrounds/Underlords and I feel the learning curve on this is crazy. Maybe this is partially because there isn't any tutorial or anything..

[next flame]

Have you heard of Scoriox bro?

[spare frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gear-5-luffy-luffy-gear-5-white-one-piece-kaido-gif-14433374548665645965

[mighty tulip]

Yeah it's a known issue and tutorials are being worked on.

Let's not forget though. Open beta will be a more organic experience. You'll slowly build teams over time and learn the game gradually. Unlike now where all illuvials are available to you day one

[west quartz]

well

☝️

[brazen quarry]

[west quartz]

what feels inaccessible to you ?

[trail edge]

Hmm. I'd say there is an awful lot to kinda 'learn' at once.

And a lot of the mechanics aren't really that well defined anywhere (imo).

[west quartz]

is it that it feels too long to learn or not enough ressources to learn ?

[trail edge]

A bit of both if I'm being honest.

I think as @mighty tulip said a slower rollout might make more sense.. but even then I think it's not really intuitive on team/deck building as to what a balanced team/deck looks like.

[hot pond]

Well the thing is that you’re thrown into a mode which isn’t the typical starting point if you’re getting into illuvium. It will be in the Overworld where you learn the basics of fighting etc

And then of course you need to invest time to master strategies and learn by playing the cards to know exactly what they’re doing and so on

[trail edge]

Just a little bit of feedback as someone who's decided to look into this about 12h ago. Guessing a lot of this stuff will get tidied up later on but..

1. Might be worth making it known that your EpicGames and Illuvium usernames are completely separate.
2. As a new player it took me around 2-3 games to figure out where my 'choose team' button is. Would make this a tooltip going into it.
3. If crafting own deck, there should probably be some guidance on standard deck ratios as to illuvials/augments/weapons/suits as an example.

I watched a few 'new player' guides on YouTube and maybe the content I was watching wasn't great.. but it didn't really lessen the learning curve much at all.

[hot pond]

And what’s missing is a replay feature to understand what was happening in a round I feel like.

[trail edge]

I don't know what the expectation is from a random user perspective as to how many games you would play semi-confused before committing or giving up.

[trail edge]

Yeah. I've played 5 games and I mean visually yes I get who's winning, what units are dying, but I couldn't really tell you why at all.

But if the expectation is that people are going to watch gameplay guides from third party content creators, I think that needs to be linked somewhere (maybe it is, but I didn't see it). That's just my thoughts. Then again I have no idea who they want playing this open beta.

[west quartz]

don't worry, in the current meta many games are coinflips and almost nobody understands why anyone won/lost

[trail edge]

Haha. Yeah, I mean I have no idea how damage works for example (is it fixed? range bound?) and only figured out moving illuvials around costs gold (or whatever the actual unit is) because at one point it told me I couldn't do it. I was like "Oh, probably should've known that before dragging my stuff all over the board" lol.

And a genuine question.. if one game lasts say 15-20 minutes, how many games should a user have to play before "understanding" the game? Cos I'm sure there is a threshold where people just start to give up if they don't really understand why they're winning/losing.

I don't think I'm an average user in this case, because I will probably persist lol.

[proven coral]

I cba with arena until somethings done about frost,behemoth. Nothing else is playable it sucks so much.

[hot pond]

These are all things that will come in the Overworld I think. For instance if you put your very first illuvial on the board, you will get an info or something mentioning that now you can move your unit freely, but in the following rounds it will cost mastery points, so choose wisely and think ahead or something

[trail edge]

Yeah. I think a lot of this stuff will eventually get fixed but for now.. I do think if they are putting this game out as open-beta then it needs to be semi-accessible.

[hot pond]

Well it is early access right now

[trail edge]

Arena isn't publicly accessible?

[hot pond]

It is, but not considered open beta.

[trail edge]

Hmm. I mean I guess that makes it better cos maybe anyone finding it is going to have watched a million more videos than I have.

[west quartz]

Unit hit, it deals damage, their range vary, unit use omega (ultimate ability), something happens, either an effect or a heal or a damage

[hot pond]

Open beta would be the launch as to buying a game from a store and where you’re getting frequent updates or DLCs in our case

[trail edge]

In my case. Place unit arbitrarily knowing half the units gonna teleport. And then see a bunch of stuff going on. I know stuff is being frosted/blinded and the fire/steam guys go in the air and do AOE. Meanwhile stuff is dying, but to what I don't know.

[warped ocean]

Lights Chosen says Holder and its 3 allies but it only give it to holder and 2 allies. Bug or error in description?

[edgy flower]

BUG!!!
when i switch from 1 comp to another and then doing positioning, when round start my units moved back to 1st positions after i put them on board be4 positioning, just like it was at first days of PVP when any replace unit just broke all your game and remove augs, reposition randomly and so on

i report it in game and repeate it here

[turbid osprey]

Description error i would say, its always been 2 and i doubt they wanted to buff it ahah

[worn tree]

Consider it a testing phase in which public is the guinea pig. This way there is player engagement and they are using us as a macro testing team. The reward for our efforts are the ranking rewards.

[edgy flower]

again happen to me, maybe i can recreate it every time

but it cost me 22 pts just coz game bugged

[warped ocean]

extra omega power doesnt do anything for jotun, slashin right?

[turbid osprey]

No it doesnt

[uncut comet]

kinda cringe that still not that much ppl streaming illuvium after creater and arena programm

would though that more ppl will stream at least like bigtime / gods unchained numbers

[worn tree]

Consider 3 colossus and 3 bulwarks. Let's do some maths to showcase why bulwark imho is way too strong:

3 colossus: are 600 extra hp and 60 extra resist on 3 units of around 2000hp. This traduced in relative terms means that each unit gets 30% additional endurance thanks to hp bonus and then 60% additional endurance thx to res bonus. This traduces to a bonus endurance of 108% on 3 units.

An overall team endurance increase of 324%

3 bulwark gives 40 bonus resist on bulwarks and 18 bonus resist on the rest of the team. Considering a full deployed team of 8 illuvials with avg hp of 1500 we have that 3 of them get an effective endurance 40% and 5 of them get and effective endurance of 18%.

3 * 40%+5 * 18%=210%

Playing 3 colossus costs minimum 140g (allowed as a 1 turner from round 4 onwards). Playing 3 bw costs minimum 75g (allowed as a 1 turner since game start).

Cost effect ratio you get these rough estimates:

3bw: 1 mp -> 3% team endurance.

3colossus: 1mp -> 1.6% team endurance.

So not only bw is more cost effective providing team tankiness, it is more flexible due to its overall low cost.

Note that this are just rough estimates with many hypothesis and aproximations that benefit bw calculus. Still, one easily gets to see how the bulwark class is still boosted despite recent nerf. Also note that I am comparing a class vs a composite, colossus should be stronger in terms of raw power level as it requires more expensive units.

This is how it feels in game, and this is what rough maths confirm.

[vague karma]

@stiff seal idk what happened

[vague karma]

oh, that happened on my game with @stiff seal as well

now i'm stuck on an empty board

[bronze spire]

Can confirm this bug

[stiff seal]

same with me I think it is a bug trying to recon but same. zzz

[bronze spire]

Yea this makes sense. Though bulwarks on their own are all generally way more underwhelming than the actually colossus units. Can also use bulwarks to buff colossus

[stiff seal]

who won @vague karma?

[vague karma]

I think no one, the game is on limbo, probably the only way to skip it is surrendering

if a dev could kill a match would be good

[stiff seal]

did you surrender already?

[vague karma]

no, this was my last match, i'm not willing to surrender :C

first time that I got this bug though, so sad

[stiff seal]

saaad I think I'll just surrender

[vague karma]

Ok, the next game I go against you I will surrender @stiff seal

[stiff seal]

thanks

[worn tree]

But they have significant omegas with impact at a very low cost. I know last patch addressed this, and it this sense its solved now.

However, when you combine the omega value, the cheap body on board, the sturdiness they provide on the overall team, they are too cost effective yet.

Imo they need to have their resist stats tuned down.

If we have 40 on them and 18 on team right now, maybe 30 and 12 would make more sense.

[bronze spire]

Yea probs do need a nerf, just hope it’s not a case of carful what you wish for. Eg there was a meta for a little bit where everyone played colossus. Atleast with bulwark they help build around something else. 3 bulwark feels balanced you think? Maybe just 5 is too good

[worn tree]

Yeah 3 feels alright tbh. 5 is a bit sick, specially when combined with shielding, grit/resolve and regen mechanics.

Maybe we could go:

3bw: 40/18 ---> 40/12
5bw: 80/36 ---> 70/24
7bw: 120/54 ---> 100/40

[warm rivet]

Btw Will arena rewards be distributed to the IMX-Wallet? 🙂 @zenith mortar

[warped ocean]

#1 most important thing when time comes is going to be marketing.

[vernal forum]

I have moved from 20th to 12th on the leaderboard due to my incredible skill of simply.... not playing on my main.

[worn tree]

Real marketing hasnt started yet. At least this is what I hope

[uncut comet]

tbh after thinking about arena rewards thats atm more a insentive to no stream since u would just sabotage yourself

[vernal forum]

of course not... we're in fixing issues phase (early access) - next step is open beta

[warped ocean]

this is not the time where everyone gonna stream regardless, it will happen once game is ready and team decides to market through numerous streamers getting us to #1 streamed on the platform, which will get eyes on us, and at that point as long as the game is good it will prosper

[worn thicket]

the one thing your calculation completely occludes imo though is the actual value the units themselves provide on the board. 3 Lesser Grokkos aren't even close as good as 10MP ranger + Cardulox + Gnarl.

Also in 3 Colossus you can have built in Toxic or Verdant. 3 Grokkos provide no extra synergy.

Colossus also provide a Taunt which Bulwarks don't.

All this to say that unlike what i understand from your post, 3 Colossus are Significantly stronger than 3 bulwarks.

And last but not least, It is not meant that ONLY expensive units are playable. We kept advertising for 2 years that the game wouldn't be "too much pay2win" that passed a certain entry barrier (at a reasonable price i hope) only skill matters, so we can't just make T0 and basic synergies crap either, it needs to be a choice between do i want a bit of tankyness for entire team or A LOT of tankyness on 3 units.

[cyan olive]

I like sabotaging myself, would be too easy otherwise

[worn tree]

I agree on most of what you say.

Specially the part where you say that T0 units should be decent enough to be playable.

However, I still think that the bulwark class is significantly better than empath/fighter or rogue. Just psion and bw see some play as basic classes. And bulwark tends to be played in every team to enhance the already strong composites in the meta. If bw were balanced, we would see other boosters such as empaths or fighters. We dont see that regularly at all, even after bw nerf.

Bw is still too strong.

[cyan olive]

bw topic is very redundant as long as res reduction augments don´t work properly

we had the same thing X times

[worn tree]

Oh crap, this is true. Keep forgetting about quantum nullifier.

[dull wind]

I know you guys are more arena players, but maybe share your vision in this discussion if whether or not should T0's be in higher stage regions on the overworld

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[zenith mortar]

Yes ser

[vernal forum]

I'd love to see the overtime mechanic removed (or moved back) and just have the end of the fight speed up until a natural resolution of the combat comes.

[turbid osprey]

Long fights arent attractive

Imagine 2 tanky units with heal jerking each other for 10 minutes at the end of the combat

[warped basalt]

Teamm. solve the bugsss..this is already one of the most frustrating games… and yet I hope that there are bugs, and that this is not how the game is made.

[worn tree]

I like overtime. What it means and how it feels

[vernal forum]

So, at 45s speed up fight - think fast forward - then at 55s add the death rattle in - but with controlling the 10s of fast forward speed you can greatly increase the odds of the battle playing out fully before implementing said death rattle.

[cyan olive]

overtime atm is bad for drain tanks, e.g. was bad for phosphorus, with speed up, that bird prob 1vX anything in overtime
speed up would be a buff to those kinda units, also a buff to e.g. behemoth or anything that has stuns, benefits of atk speed or has big aoe spell, so e.g. seeforus/ophisto would be better as well

you see that in TFT, overtime timing luck is deciding some games, due to do you cast 1 sec before/after

[vernal forum]

If you can fix this issue, then I'd be more understanding: Frost vs Frost exact mirror - you snipe your enemies ranger immediately and would win the match, but somehow in overtime you lose because... reasons.

[cyan olive]

if you snipe ranger idk how you lose the round

then you must do something else wrong

I am not saying it is good or bad btw, just stating what the implecations would be and that you´d prob have to rethink round timers, re-balance units around it

[vernal forum]

Yeah - rebalance issues are minor compared to giving the user the most pleasant experience possible. And for me (not saying for everyone here), but for me, overtime feels bad quite often. Not to mention the seizure effect.

[green thorn]

hey guys 🙂
sorry, im new and have two questions.
What is the benefit of bounding an illuvial with my ranger?
and i won a "card" which activates waves in battle. i think after 7 seconds after start and than from time to time.
But no wave came. do i have to activate this by a key? or do i have to give it to an illuvial with a special class?

[uncut comet]

the wave augment is bugged atm , bounding illuvial gives you either the synergy of the illuvial or if u equip a waepon like sword and bond with an bulwark illuvial or bulwark composite u get behemoth ranger

[green thorn]

ouh okey okey 🙂
Thank you very much for the answers.

[worn tree]

Heya 😁🤝🏻 welcome! Feel free to ask us anything!

[green thorn]

i will do. Thanks a lot 🙂

[quiet oracle]

hi

[burnt urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-26201817

[worn tree]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-nobu-hey-hello-gif-25165084

[granite echo]

Hey guys, any antimeta team yet?

[worn tree]

Maybe next week with proper frost adjustment there is room for antimeta

With current frost power level, everything revolves around that

[granite echo]

I saw that multiple psions are pretty good agains frost

Also, 2 magma beats 2 frosts in the first round

I never lost the first round with sear and ranger behemoth magma against jotun frost behemoth

The ticks from magma kills the enemy ranger

One spin from sear and its 2v1

[urban laurel]

I am rating 913 and i just beat a 212 rating and i got 0 points. Is this normal?

[vivid stirrup]

is there a tie breaker for same rating? or just who had it first?

[worn tree]

Spin can get easily interrupted by stuns or frozen effects. Plus Jotun is so much better than sear in a 1 v1, plus frost wins hyper on magma. No chance.

[granite echo]

I will record next time 😁

[worn tree]

Nice, would love to see it. Also, bear in mind that placement is key. With optimal placement trust me frost should win it.

[granite echo]

I am playing in lower league, so maybe their placement was bad.

[worn tree]

wanna 1 v 1? and we try it?

[granite echo]

Now i am in bed, preparing for sleep. Work day tomorrow 😁

[worn tree]

good one sir, I hope you rest!

[granite echo]

Thank you, have a good day too!

[worn tree]

Thanks dude ❤️

[south glacier]

It Is cut of. You don't see the decimals in the leaderboard. You might have 1930.1 and the other 1930.7

[worldly token]

am I correct that you lose 10% of the paid masteries when selling an illuvial later on? is that rounded up? for example I do get back 22 for the small grokko? am theorycrafting ,but cannot test on pc atm 😁 help appreciated

[south glacier]

You loose 25%. And decimals are cut off. So selling a 25 grokko will give you 18 mastery points back

[worldly token]

ah, I knew something was off. Thanks!

[west quartz]

score is rounded up but it's actually decimal numbers, so you're just behind by 0.xx points

[warped basalt]

I broke the game, frost 4 + stun from behemoth, the enemy can't attack at all in the whole game.. nice but stupid.

[fallen vortex]

Others beat u to the punch 😛

[warped basalt]

maybe with frost 3 but with 4 it is impossible 😝

[fallen vortex]

Ahhh I see

[wicked forum]

team have to see any in game balance solution for meta decks. Patchs like this, specially when illuvials worth money, can scare players. My suggestion is a banishment in the start of the match. Player could banish any card of the opponent. Or any solution with balance idea would be nice!

Jotun would be worth a lot of money right now. But in other updates, the value could drop significantly

[calm steeple]

someone grinds really hard for weeks or buys that Jotun for 100 ILV only for you to say you cant use that thing in the battle, pretty bad experience that would be, just an example not saying that illuvials will be 100 ILV in future

[wicked forum]

Players should have varied options in their deck so they don't just depend on a specific set. But I'm not saying it would be exactly that solution either. I just think there should be some balancing strategy.

[calm steeple]

there should be some balancing strategy, banning cards is not it though

[wicked forum]

And using your example, imagine someone buying Jotun for 100 ilv and in a single update, its value drops to 30 ilv, just because it is not part of the new meta

[calm steeple]

you still have choice to play it

[arctic turtle]

Kieran did say in one of the interviews that they plan on doing a balance patch about every 3 months to change up the meta

[trail edge]

I think this was a problem in Valve's Artifact.

[west quartz]

rofl

imagine 3 months of this meta

[trail edge]

An option would be for ILV to offer a buyback of nerfed cards at the rate prior to the patch for example.

Or maybe 75% of the rate prior to the patch.. some formula to decide it without it being abusable/absurd.

Is there an FAQ of really stupid gameplay questions somewhere? 😂

[wicked cloak]

when is the next reward distribution, and should we have gotten the ones from last week?

[stark swift]

A buyback doesn't make much sense, because Illuvium isn't selling individual Illuvials. You'd have bought it off someone on the secondary market, who would then have your 100 ILV in this example. Illuvium wouldn't have your 100 ILV to buy your newly nerfed Illuvial back with.

[trail edge]

Yes, but ILV will presumably have a DAO of some sort and having an active happy playerbase is worth something.

[stark swift]

Reimbursing players for their purchasing decisions because game balance happened isn't something likely to be net beneficial for the DAO, IMO.

[trail edge]

Hmm. You could offer a buyback based on how long the player has held the card though.

So a scaling refund, if they bought it the day before the nerf, their reimbursement is higher (maybe 50%) and if they have held it most of the season or whatever, you could scale it to zero or something. I'm just throwing ideas out there.

Card? Illuvial. Haha.

I'm sure there's a fair and equitable way to help prevent people from getting royally screwed from buying things only to get hit by the nerf stick immediately after.

That said, a lot of TCGs are not forgiving at all in this manner..

[stark swift]

If you own something, you get to realize its' appreciation, and you take the risk of it not appreciating. If we're looking at this like more traditional assets, your municipality could decide to build or change something that changes the value of a property. I'm a lot happier with a hands off approach - Subsidizing player's risk tolerance isn't something I'd like to see the DAO involved in at all.

[trail edge]

A lot depends on how frequent and telegraphed the changes are.

I don't believe Axie ever reimbursed anything - but I'm not sure if they changed much mid seasons and stuff.

[stark swift]

Drastic mid-season balance is generally unpopular, and for good reason - People want to play with the stuff they've gotten and not have it become non-functional. I agree with that idea.

[trail edge]

Yeah it also depends on stuff like.. how expensive this is to get into.

When Axie Infinity first started.. I think it was around 1 ETH to play, but ETH was about 20% of what it is today.. but $400 to get into a game is expensive.

Would suck if you craft an Illuvial deck that's playable, then a few nerfs make your stuff completely unplayable.

deck/team you get what I'm saying 🤣

[stark swift]

What I don't agree with is the idea that players would end up being "owed" something because a balance change was necessary. Obviously game breaking bugs need to be fixed, whether or not a season is at the start, middle, or end. I also don't think having the DAO involved in anything like Illuvial buybacks is a good idea. It would be better to plan for minimal major balance passes at random times, and to concentrate those changes at a pre-specified time, like the end of a season.

[trail edge]

I would really love to know how quickly people think they could onboard a new player, and how they would do this (i.e. guides? videos?)

[stark swift]

Lots of people learn to play games through video content - It's pretty much the defacto way for players of any game to get up to speed on nuances of gameplay.

[trail edge]

I don't know if I'm just mega stupid or what.

[stark swift]

In-game tutorials for gameplay, video content for anything beyond that.

[trail edge]

Possibly just not watching the right videos in the right order.

Super stupid question. Do dead illuvials contribute to synergies?

[stark swift]

What do you consider onboarding? Things like "Place an Illuvial from your deck on the field. Click on an Illuvial and drag it to the board to place it." should be in-game tutorials. Nuances like "Top 10 Giga-Comp and how to play it" are better done by content creators.

[trail edge]

I would say.. enough to understand the game and know why they are winning/losing for example.

[stark swift]

I'd say understanding the rules of the game and how to interact with them at a basic level are tutorial topics. Why someone is winning/losing can get pretty complicated, and might be too much for tutorials, although in-game metrics can be super helpful in figuring that out.

[trail edge]

I dunno. I think this will be a lot easier when my wife starts playing cos easier to make incremental change.

I'm also guessing the learning curve is nowhere near as bad when you're unlocking asyou go.

[stark swift]

Yeah, there will be some starter teams for new players that shouldn't be as complicated as having full access to everything in the game.

[trail edge]

Also, I'm guessing the thumb up means dead illuvials still contribute? XD

[stark swift]

Yeah 😛

[trail edge]

What's the best community site in terms of understanding mechanics at the moment?

I'm looking at Liquipedia, IlluvialMaster, and there's one other random site I've been looking at.

[stark swift]

I'll let someone more competitive answer, IlluvialMaster is what I use.

[formal crown]

Blickter is right illuvialmaster is the best

[fallen vortex]

Illuvialmaster is de best

In terms of understanding the gameplay turn by turn, I'd say watch web3 gaming tv or viper youtube videos

[trail edge]

Ok. Cool. Also have watched your tokenomics and stuff videos from ages ago 🙂

[fallen vortex]

I have new videos too

[trail edge]

I think you're running the community tournaments too ❤️

[fallen vortex]

but yeah I am glad I have been helpful 🙂

[trail edge]

Hey hey, lets not get ahead of ourselves.. I said I watched them.. j/k they're helpful

[fallen vortex]

I have run some, not sure if we will do 1 this weekend, hopefully

People keep saying they want decklists but they didnt put their money where their mouth is for funscendant

[west quartz]

people wanted deck list when there was more than 1 deck to play. this isn't the case atm

did you really want to have a tournament were all 64 participants play bw frost behemoth ?

imagine casting this

[fallen vortex]

I am certainly not eager to do an inferno this weekend

kinda had my fingers crossed they would deploy a hotfix later this week

[noble radish]

We will do a hotfix. We are also adding in more team slots. And we are adding in a draft mode (won't go in with the patch but some time after).

We've spent a bit more time on the auto balancing so our manual balancing has missed the mark. We're still adding in new Illuvials so sometimes this can affect things. But in any case we are on it.

[fallen vortex]

Awesome news. On the draft mode, can it include custom matchmaking? I am assuming it involves bringing 3 teams or something

Useless for tournaments without being added into custom

[noble radish]

To begin it will probably be all modes. We're testing a few different ideas on how drafting should work. There's a lot of different meanings to a 'draft mode' so maybe others have a different idea to us. I'd be interested to hear what anyone thinks would be their preferred solution.

[west quartz]

easiest coming into mind would be we queue in 3 teams, enemy sees 3 teams and decides to ban 1, then we're offered the choice to pick between the 2 remaining

[fallen vortex]

What Style said is my primary thought, my only other thought is your opponent sees your team and bans 2 illuvials and 2 augments from your team, you play with the remaining 24

You kinda instantly fix the meta. Can't play Jotun cause it gets banned every game 😛

Also if they have 4 Jotuns, they all get banned with 1 click

[noble radish]

Can you queue in with 3 teams that are all the same? If not, how different must they be?

[fallen vortex]

That's why it gets super complicated hahaha 😛

3 illuvials different would be my recommendation

[west quartz]

it depends on game state

rn augments are useless so you can stack 18 illuvials

before augments were super powerful so you wouldn't dare go all illuvials with 3 augments

one way to track the difference could be through composite synergies

like if a team as frost in, a team, there can't be frost synergy in the 2 others, if it has inferno , can't be in the 2 others, and so on

has*

and if a team has more than 3 of a basic class/Affinity, can't be in another team

to avoid having 3 teams with 7 psions or 7 fighters or 7 empaths

(all of this taking out the weapons)