🎮〕illuvium-arena

[grand bluff]

But not sure what teamcomp you use, but their weakness is Resolve basically because it doesn't deal too much per tick.

[fallen vortex]

yeah for sure, just my team is too expensive

so im not getting heaps of value from the resolve

[west plume]

@vernal bloom GG

[vernal bloom]

gg

[worn thicket]

Is it the list i shared? i been stomping with that list my last 3 games

[edgy flower]

@opaque cape how does your secret deck feel after the patch? 🙂

[supple cave]

THORNS AND TOXIC damage should NOT be able to crit. i am seeing white critical numbers showing up

[brazen quarry]

Load up those “on crit” augments

[worn thicket]

the on crit augments don't apply on toxic and thorns anymore as of 0.3.2

Sharp start or gg

[brazen quarry]

Just when I have a good idea

Thanks for letting me know

[worn thicket]

yeah you got a good idea... 2weeks too late xD

[supple cave]

there should be a a "Area cleanse" augment or omega ability

[supple cave]

toxic and thorns shouldn't crit at all

[worn thicket]

yep area cleanse would be good, especially because you can't "cleanse" the ranger so if you try to make a behemoth ranger carry you just get rekt by siphon matrix T_T

[worn tree]

wait, does this shit stack?

[worn thicket]

wait they changed it from on battle start to every 1 second?! i totally missed that! that augment might be broken now

[worn tree]

Yeah lol

I hope it doesn't stack and only reactivates each second to update the surrounding debuffs?

Idk, but if it is stacking, its broken

[west plume]

@clever roost did it crash for you?

[worn thicket]

even without stacking it means you now can apply that everywhere if around you, AND they stack with each other

[clever roost]

yes

[worn thicket]

leading to almost pure dmg

[grand bluff]

I've been having a hard time playing the game :-( I keep on getting the message of timeout on the right side.

[west plume]

there is a reconnect option

[velvet dome]

what augment crits omega?

[clever roost]

yeah i closed and opened

did my turn

crashed again

dunno who won

it didnt start the battle, just froze once waiting for battle to start

[west plume]

just says this

[grand bluff]

Yes same!

[grand bluff]

Yes this. I've been having this same problem for the past 2 days.

[clever roost]

u r still in this screen?

[west plume]

yeah

[topaz lake]

What the change does is this:

If the holder dies, then the augment debuff is disabled
If the unit exits the area, the debuff is disabled

[west plume]

i have had crashes before and have been able to reconnect.

[clever roost]

i cant post images or links

[lilac grail]

This change is not in the patchnote and not sure it's wanted. Does it apply every 1 sec in game ?

[clever roost]

but on match history says i won in 7 rounds

(?)

if you skipped your turn 6 thats probably why

[west plume]

Hmm we were on round 6

[clever roost]

i didnt see any battles, but i managed to reconnect and place stuff

[topaz lake]

Works the same as Mirrored Erosion and other zone debuff augments

[smoky python]

So its just an aura now isntead of a perm debuff on round start

[lilac grail]

Mirrored don't remove 100% in 3 sec...

[topaz lake]

exactly

[west plume]

strange

[lilac grail]

oh ok. strange in the Typo to say "every 1 sec". others that are "every" are additive..

[topaz lake]

yeah, we need to improve that a bit, the wording is confusing

[supple cave]

just name it AURA

[worn tree]

Yeah, strange it wasn't on the patch notes

[worn tree]

Yup

[worn tree]

+1

[worn thicket]

yeah no mention of the every 1s, i knew i was not crazy xD

[eager portal]

@opaque cape gg, 6 colossus it's fine😁

[worn thicket]

btw @topaz lake for the tooltips and builder, can we have the Hex radius over "Small/medium etc Area" pls?
I bet you agree that 26Hex Radius or 35 is quite a difference worth knowing yet it's all Medium Area

[topaz lake]

Technically, the "fixed behavior" is part of that, but I'll make sure to be more careful with the wording.

I'll keep a note for future, I do know that we need to explain it better

[topaz lake]

I'll discuss this for sure. As a general thing, even if you know what is the range for Medium, you still don't have a clear view.

We do need exact numbers

[rancid raptor]

we should be able to use only 1 of each per deck IMO, i mean only one quantum nullifier of example

[worn tree]

Yeah please, that would be great. And also the display of starting energy and omega energy cost stats for each illuvial

[manic musk]

Hey guys if I use the same augment but different tiers it works the bonus for both?

[worn thicket]

yes they add up

so if one says 40% and the other gives 30% you have a total of 70% of that bonus

[worn thicket]

disagree

playing multiple takes space in the deck anyways so there's a choice between stronger effect or more different effects already

[manic musk]

thank you

[worn thicket]

doing that makes that some lists will become harder/impossible to properly counter for some decks and i really don't think anyone wants that

[rancid raptor]

im aware it takes space but i think stacking them will enhance having super strong and annoying gameplay, whereas having only one will encourage players to adapt more to the matchup itself, or even add more illuvials to their team comp which makes the game more difficult

[reef basalt]

was this our match? 😄

yeah that was hilarious

[bleak escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-fighting-fighting-cats-anniehasleftoop-gif-23317332

I see a new meta emerging...

[grand bluff]

For the Illuvium team, I've been experiencing stucks at this Waiting for Opponent stage, and also delay in loading game even though I can stream Twitch vids on HD. Is this a known bug?

[worn thicket]

it's a not enough players bug xD

[grand bluff]

But it is? Or does it only happen on my side?

[worn thicket]

then you queue into someone with poor internet or REALLY far away from you which delays the joining game

[worn thicket]

nah sometimes i have to wait 4mins for an opponent you're fine don't worry

[grand bluff]

Oh okay.. That's really bad because it's been quite the bad experience for the past few days 😦 I think I'm gonna have to stop queueing for a while.

[grand bluff]

Not looking for opponent though, just to be clear: it's at waiting between phases, or when bidding for Legendary Augments.

[worn thicket]

like there's as far as we know only 23k players all over the world. not everyone plays everyday and especially not all day so sometimes it's hard to find an opponent it's normal

[grand bluff]

No.. the problem isn't finding an opponent. The proble is stuck at waiting for opponent during the battle.

[brazen quarry]

Well I just got rekt by some water ranger 1 shotting my entire team lol

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[worn tree]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

To be honest. So far I am loving the game. It could get much better with bigger Illuvial pool, better and more complex augments and meta refinement. There are also some QoL improvements that should be fixed specially in the UX/UI in game. But, looking at the horizon, this shit is promising as fuck.

Once we go on chain, and collectibles get a meaning. IT'S GAME OVER BROTHERS ❤️

[bleak escarp]

I think this is the cool thing about going live. If the game went live without any of the past patches. Tier zeros would have been the most valuable illuvials of all time.... lmfao

still might be

[lilac grail]

we are still blocked on some possibility. without some of the composite like revenant, predator, harbringer. Don't give the flexibility enough for our ranger.

[tight swift]

I have a question, does anyone know why my Ranger sometimes doesn't deal Omega damage even though it has Water Gauntlet III?

[edgy bough]

I was finding the opposite. 6+ mins in ranked, found a match in casual within 15 secs

[worn thicket]

Yeah if you'd follow the right people on Twitter or watched the tournaments you'd know that deck

[brazen quarry]

I'll pass

[vivid stirrup]

my second last video is a guide about that. maybe watching it would help understand the counterplay to it

[harsh falcon]

Whats your rank

[edgy bough]

@vivid grotto your time has come ser 🦁

[harsh falcon]

Wen patch update video

[edgy bough]

1300ish on this account

[harsh falcon]

Hmmm strange i assume most are 1300-1700 so that rank should find matches easy

Prob low player count during the time you played

[edgy bough]

Yea that’s what I thought too. But to not even get a way high elo was strange. Playing late night EST, common time for gaming, and during daytime hours for Australasia. Will see if I get the same problem with new patch?

I just don’t think we have a ton of players yet

[harsh falcon]

Im cet and i havent had a q longer than 2 min in ranked

But casual can take 5+ mins

[vivid stirrup]

my patchnotes rundown videos always have the worst views on youtube ^^

maybe i find a better format to do it, instead of going thru them 1by1

in general people dont seem to care so much about the patch details, and just want the new op deck 😛

[worn thicket]

ok i'll stop the rampage here and give time for people to learn the patch... as it is it's not even fun.
The list i used has been public for 3-4 days now btw

that looks fun to play, yeah i'll work on behemoth tomorrow or so, just wanted to make sure that what i think from the patch was right and turns out i wasn't wrong.

sure

[lean junco]

They use their Ai for balancing?

or they need more players, datas

[worn thicket]

sent you in DM

[worn thicket]

nah the AI is still way too far from being useful. players data and proper expert interpretation > AI

[kind wren]

@safe valve I assume your match didn't start? You were going to win anyway. I'm backing out

[lean ivy]

Omg 😲 this is an update 😍 whew so many comps to re try again!

[safe valve]

na i'm waiting on something, but i guess it's stuck

[lean ivy]

Ohhh I was wanting to try that out also! How was it?

[safe valve]

maybe altf4 can solve it? Idk, havent played for more than a week 😄

mud isn't trash 🙂

i like it

[kind wren]

I saw the patch notes and thought you must be experimenting

[safe valve]

na, that's actually the first deck i created, but now everything in it got buffed so i thought i give it a try again 😄

[kind wren]

Definitely got my butt handed to me

[safe valve]

ingame that butt looked pretty thick, wouldn't be too mad about it 🤪

[kind wren]

@safe valve and it was caked in mud

[worn thicket]

nah just go colossus/umbre again

they completely mis-aimed the patch

[worn tree]

You think so?

[worn thicket]

yeah and i mean i proved it

[harsh falcon]

@worn thicket share the deck

[worn thicket]

scroll on my twitter 🙂

shared it 3-4 days ago

[worn tree]

I would have enjoyed a small rework or adjustment on umbre. And I wasnt expecting empaths to got slamed again. But hey, I dont have the data.

[worn thicket]

and somehow what i already considered TOP TOP tier last patch is just even better this one, leading to me going on a 13 winstreak today before i stop cauz not even fun

[worn tree]

I have found my deck for the current meta and I am at like 17/20 wins in the last games

Really dreaming of more Illuvials in the pool

[edgy flower]

0/10, btw gg, not sure about winnig you against your better positiong

[worn thicket]

yeah sorry the deck rewards skill 🙈

yo @civic grotto is a very decent builder, he found out the Thorns cow strat before most people

[civic grotto]

,,The unseen Grilla is the deadliest''

Ah yes Ive been using x4 mud all the time

We are all using new builds

So its a coinflip for most of us

[bleak escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/get-em-gif-4474410

My dumbass was still using old decks, but that changes tonight.

[civic grotto]

Honestly, I am. Dont know about the others 🙂

[bleak escarp]

I would too, don't be a Smart Ass.

[winter marlin]

what is "thorns" mean?

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/cactus-stuck-on-leg-holding-on-not-letting-go-ouch-viral-hog-gif-13572556

[scarlet spindle]

Should we go by the team builder description or the in game description?
Teambuilder says "On Assist" and in game says "On Takedown".

[bleak escarp]

I've experienced it on Takedown, whichever that is.

[stray gull]

Ggs @jolly zealot

🗡️

[jolly zealot]

Oh man nice move moving again on the last round ><, really should have predicted it

Not entirely sure my team was strong enough to win regardless

Great comeback

[stray gull]

I thought you had me mid-game

Yeah

[jolly zealot]

I think your Umbre was the real MVP, I saw it absolutely chomp a few of my guys

[rare meteor]

anyone with trouble on update ? im trying to reinstall but its stuck at 1%

[west plume]

@cyan olive GG

[brazen quarry]

close one, well played

[west plume]

Did he stream?

[raven obsidian]

gg @safe valve , similar teams but you come out on top

[safe valve]

GG

yea pretty similar

[raven obsidian]

even more similar now 😂 🤣

[safe valve]

lol

[west plume]

@civic grotto GG

[civic grotto]

gg

[summer frigate]

Am I the number 1 ranked player ?

[vernal forum]

no Illuvitar - no ranking - straight from Kieran /s jic

[summer frigate]

But I’m top 10 in the illuvitar leaderboard lol

[edgy flower]

That smurf or the real one?

[vivid stirrup]

gotta love that illuvium team is pushing out so many patches! well done, it's so much fun again to create new decks

[hoary mason]

How many credits do you get each round?

Total:
1: 100
2: 200
3:?
4:?
5:?
6:?

[worn thicket]

320
460
620
800
and everyround past that point is 200MP per round

[scarlet spindle]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[hoary mason]

If i take a 45 troop off how much do i get back

[worn thicket]

selling back a unit rewards you with 75% of it's total cost back

total cost because it includes the augments attached to it

moving a piece has a cost too which is 15% of it's total cost

[worn tree]

I have had the honor to play against Viper.

It is great to have someone from his caliber supporting the DAO.

Thank you for all the content you create about Illuvium. I learn a lot from you. You are my #1 reference in the arena.

@cyan olive

[worn thicket]

"honor" xD

[worn tree]

Why you hate him so much man? He is great

[worn thicket]

well i can't answer that question without getting a new time out so i'll pass. but short: is not as good as he pretends and is dishonest.

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-5577709

[mighty tulip]

Well played, I matched with him earlier. Started strong but he got the better of me in the end.

[worn tree]

Maybe you are right, maybe not. My philosophy is just trust what you see. So far the man has only been kind to me and he has been pushing for great Illuvium content

[west plume]

Viper Shares a ton of content and wants everyone to improve,atleast thats how i see it

[worn tree]

Thanks sir, out of the last 30 matches, I have won 26. This one was the toughest in terms of skill. He rly optimizes positioning.

I player really well otherwise he would have demolished me

[mighty tulip]

Where you at lars? I never seem to match with ya 🧐

[worn thicket]

i'll stop it at: Viper's nickname is well chosen, reflects his personnality very well

[west plume]

Iam 1500 ish,where are you?

[worn thicket]

i won't reply more on this topic, afterall it's just my opinion nobody else needs to agree or disagree on this

[mighty tulip]

Ah I'm in the 1800s

[worn tree]

But what is your necessity to publicly discredit him? I think you hate him. You may have your reasons but, instead of going at it with the "honor xd" comment, just let it be man. It makes no good to spread hate.

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/look-look-what-i-can-do-weird-bored-attention-gif-5437890

[worn thicket]

so does he about me, but somehow didn't get time outs for that. i wonder why 🙂

[worn tree]

I am coming for you sir! 🤩

[west plume]

I also get great content from you and input,which again makes me a better player

[mighty tulip]

Well you did ask 😆

[worn thicket]

thanks man, appreciate i try my best

[west plume]

iam just messing around,i need to up my game.

[worn tree]

Do you post in youtube?

[west plume]

Twitter posts for me atleast

[worn thicket]

no just Twitter, used to stream too but now with baby at home its really hard to find times where i can just animate a stream for x amount of hours (she has less than a year)

[hoary mason]

yk when you spend 3 hrs on a deck and get shit on first round

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

[dense helm]

How's the new patch? I beleive the next one is the one that will make bigger meta shifts, but hopefully this patch has made some steps towards better balance.

[cyan olive]

I don´t have to flip umbre mirror coins anymore, thx

[worn tree]

Oh I see, good to know

[edgy bough]

Playing tonight, can’t wait to test it. Good to know bigger changes are on the way

[worn tree]

Definitely has sir. At least now there is more variability in the meta. Was tired of playing vs umbre only.

Any estimate on when new Illuvials will be deployed?

[dense helm]

I'm super out of the loop on the patch details. They have the tech process down, so no need for my input.

I am looking forward to some christmas break so I can learn how to play properly, it sucks to suck.

[supple cave]

everyone seems to be playing colossus berserkers from the little i played

[topaz lake]

Classic meta sheep, eventually people will learn how to counter that

[dense helm]

Bring on tourneys so we can see who is the real boss!

[supple cave]

tomorrow there is a small one

but it's 1 round elimination

[dark vine]

We had a big discussion about this today. #🎮〕illuvium-arena message
It started a little earlier but most if not all agreed that the patch missed the mark quite a lot :/ .
Terrorbird was/is more of an issue than umbre was.
Empath were dead already now they are extra dead.

[dense helm]

Noted. Not that I have any balance input, but I'm happy to make noise on others behalf 😉

[dark vine]

On the positve side improving frost/spore is for sure a good start

[dense helm]

I'm really excited to add multi-team tournament formats.

Bring 4, ban 1, in either conquest or last team standing.

(Or other variants that make sense)

[sacred finch]

How would you make the rules so that people don't bring like the same deck changing just 1 illuvial or augment?

[dense helm]

A proper balance would mean that would be a losing strategy.

Even if there is a clearly 'best deck' on ladder as long as there is a clear hard-counter it wont work (to bring it multiple times) in a multi-team tourney.

Its a much easier balance problem than the single team balance problem.

[sacred finch]

in last standing it is but in conquest you would need that every one of your decks beats this "best deck" variants

[dense helm]

'either'

We can pick whichever format works best for the meta 😉

Or invent our own.

My main point is that the multi-team format in a tournament makes it easier to address balance issues.

(Of course we want ranked to be balanced too)

[sacred finch]

agree, and it is more fun

[dense helm]

Maybe there could be rules about team similarity too, each team must have a different most common affinity, for example.

[sacred finch]

I was thinking something like your teams can't have more than X illuvials in common

[dense helm]

Yeah, there's a lot of possibilities. People seem to forget this is Early Access. I think its clear the core engine works well, is very flexible, and looks very pretty to boot. But there's got to be a lot of on-going development and experimentation and feedback to get to "this is ready".

[vivid stirrup]

gotta say it's really cool to see multiple balance and bug fix patches are being deployed so fast after pvp early access launch. compared to other games we are get a premium player experience here

tft sets are live for weeks before they fix/balance stuff, or they just wait it out for months until the next set 😅

[jagged summit]

If you’re interested or anyone else here, we’re working on a proposal for constant tournament systems and eventually custom so if there is any input people want to provide in there #1182510285089685584 Feel free to add thoughts so it can be as polished as possible.

[hallow notch]

This patch is fun 🙂

[dense helm]

I'm interested but honestly I've got too much on my plate already. That's one for Ben, Aaron, Edi, etc.

For Arena I just chime in with my strong but unjustified opinions 😉

[jagged summit]

Haha sounds good

[vivid stirrup]

i wasn't talking about pbe ^^

[hoary mason]

its also beta

[topaz lake]

Balance is not fully achievable in PvP games, and will never be. Today you have something that's S tier, the next day you have it as A, B, C, but have other comps that are S, which were previously A, B, C, D.

As for the patching process, it might be slow now, but won't be the case for the future. You can't really compare Riot here, they have what, 50-80, maybe more devs just for tft? Just comparing the resources, you can figure out the difference.

[hoary mason]

womp womp... play the meta and stop complaining

[topaz lake]

Improvement is always possible. We, as human beings, will always tend to improve our ways. 🫡

[hoary mason]

a skillful player will adapt to meta and balance changes.

[topaz lake]

Kudos to you, sir.

[hoary mason]

@grim crescent rip

https://tenor.com/view/getdestroyed-daaninator-kermit-frog-destroyed-gif-21548897

[raven obsidian]

gg @lean ivy im trying random stuff lol and learning the hard way

[humble gorge]

sounds like the ideal time to have a rematch with ya

[smoky python]

There have already been tournaments so that question has been answered

[raven obsidian]

yeah probably, im trying some weird set ups lol

ranked is getting tanked

[smoky python]

So disingenuous

[civic grotto]

Has anyone played with behemoth team so far?

[zenith mortar]

How is saying the team doing good pushing patches disingenuous

A team a small % of the size of riots

[smoky python]

Yes the patches to fix game breaking bugs have been very slow in comparison to other games. Paz is just being a suckup

I think the team knows this already though and is working on a way to get them done faster iirc

[median compass]

encountering quite a few more bugs than last patch, anyone noticed its a bit more frequent after update?

[zenith mortar]

Which games

[smoky python]

TFT

[zenith mortar]

Once again are we the size of TFT

So it’s relative

[smoky python]

TFT team isnt super large either

At least it wasn't when I was playing it

[zenith mortar]

Larger?

[smoky python]

I do imagine with all the success theyve had that its expanded.

[zenith mortar]

200iq

[smoky python]

Don't know why you are getting so defensive. Everyone knows the team hasnt been great with getting patches out fast. It's something to work on and improve

[zenith mortar]

So to be clear, you acknowledge that TFT is much larger than Illuviums. But not that we are pushing patches out at a relative rate compared to the size of their team and this being a beta

[smoky python]

Sugar coating things and saying everything is wonderful isn't helpful for the improvement of the game

[zenith mortar]

Appreciating things and sugar coating things is two different things. And xborg likes to paint it out as the team is doing a terrible job which is why I get defensive

[smoky python]

I actually praised the last patch as it was the best one yet imo

[zenith mortar]

Just calling it as I see it

[smoky python]

And that's what I do

I just come from a more neutral non biased place

[zenith mortar]

I agree with the fact that we are pushing patches at an excellent rate considering we’ve had multiple and pb2 had I think 2

[zenith mortar]

That’s one way to paint it

[smoky python]

Just because something was trash before doesnt mean the new thing is something amazing just from improving on it
I obviously agree its much better than it was

[zenith mortar]

Is that not what a patch is

Also once again I don’t know how much dev experience you have but based on this comment I would say almost none

You say it takes almost no time to complete

[smoky python]

Yes Rich likes to claim that nobody else is as good as the magical team or himself

[wicked cloak]

idk, i feel like its not somehing that we should be rushing, putting thought into these patches is more important than pushing patches fast, sure its awesome for tournaments to not have busted comps, but illuvium beta literally just dropped, i dont feel like they are taking too long on them at all

[zenith mortar]

Not knowing how things actually work for deploying products

[smoky python]

You know it's ok to just say "these guys know more about the game than we do and we should listen"
That'd be a positive direction to take

[wicked cloak]

okay agreed, but is that the case right now?

[smoky python]

It doesn't always have to devolve into you saying everyone else knows nothing

[rich bluff]

patch is very fast compared to the likes of dota.

[wicked cloak]

you said patches are just number changes and need to be rushed, i dont agree with that, now if there is a bug that is ruining the game thats a different story, as with the crit bug

[smoky python]

Yes we are talking about game breaking bugs

[zenith mortar]

There are processes in place that take time + other deployments. You guys don’t understand that

Not condescending just truth

You don’t understand what you’ve never had experience in

[wicked cloak]

are there any currently?

[smoky python]

We understand the process. We also know that process can be optimized and done faster and more efficiently

Obviously not

[zenith mortar]

The rate we are pushing them out for a beta yes

It’s subjective

[smoky python]

Like I said. Nothing we do is ever wrong and we are doing a fantastic job at everything

[zenith mortar]

lol

PB2 god

You know we are in beta 3

[wicked cloak]

i mean, i feel like we also need to take into account this is the beta, there is a reason the team isnt hosting tournmants, this is the time where we take our time and work out all the bugs so that when the game drops its good.

[smoky python]

Exactly. Bugs happen and when they are found you get them fixed.

Rich is so salty about it

[zenith mortar]

So salty

[smoky python]

All his favorite players turned out to be inferior to us

Just like we said for a year

[zenith mortar]

Did you guys win the last tournament

Where did you place Sjud

[smoky python]

Nope . Took 5th. Lost to the 3 deck mirror that we created

[zenith mortar]

Oh snap

[smoky python]

Lost the rock paper scissors

[zenith mortar]

5th

Oof

[smoky python]

Yup

[zenith mortar]

Doesn’t sound like best player play to me

[smoky python]

Lost the rock paper scissors mirror. If you understood what the game was you'd know

[zenith mortar]

And people pay you?

[wicked cloak]

yes i agree with you, but i also feel like you might be a bit biased because you guys want these patches out fast so there are no bugs in the tournaments and so there can be fair play in ranked, i feel like that isnt the teams biggest priority in a beta and im not sure i would want it to be.

[zenith mortar]

Imagine paying to get 5th

[smoky python]

The thing is you've never understood the game

Yah he has no other way. It's an IQ diff

Try to have a decent discussion about issues

And he just pulls the same shit

[zenith mortar]

Iq diff big

When the guy in 5th says he’s the best

[smoky python]

lol

[zenith mortar]

lol

2 losses

[smoky python]

We took 1st-2nd in tourney 1
1st in tourney 2
and 5th in tourney 3

[zenith mortar]

You know what they say about 2nd place

[smoky python]

Storming and Leomane are also both great players who were playing the same decks. They just guessed better than I did

There's a reason they were playing our deck lineup 🙂

[zenith mortar]

You guys shared it?

[smoky python]

Everyone saw it in tourney 1

[zenith mortar]

You guys crack me up…

[smoky python]

Yah I would have loved to see your face after finding out we took 1st and 2nd out of 249 in the first ILV tourney

[zenith mortar]

You should’ve seen it when I saw you got 2nd

[smoky python]

At least we know you like Smartass more than me

[zenith mortar]

I was proud of you

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-gonna-be-so-proud-of-me-cuphead-the-cuphead-show-hell-feel-so-good-about-me-hell-be-so-pleased-with-me-gif-27353010

[smoky python]

That certainly plays a part in it but thats not all of it. When you have game breaking bugs that also hurts player numbers. People don't want to play in those environments. Bad numbers is bad for investors as well.

[zenith mortar]

Investors understand what a beta is

[smoky python]

Yes and thats why they dumped when numbers came out

[zenith mortar]

lol

[wicked cloak]

thats true, but illuvium is still pretty small, i dont think we can be expected to push patchess at the rate of say, blizzard

[zenith mortar]

Like the whole market didn’t dump… and I have an iq diff

[smoky python]

I wouldn't expect that either. But there is a middle ground

[zenith mortar]

Mr professional trader

[smoky python]

Whole market didnt dump on numbers release

Individuals in this very discord that I talked to about ILV did

[jagged summit]

Early access technically, not really beta :p which early access imo is stigmatized to begin with as saying you probably don’t want to play this yet especially if it just launched in EA. Though usually theres a discount to still get players in for paid games.

[smoky python]

So once again, if you have no idea what you are talking about then don't chime in

You don't always have to butt in when other people are talking

[zenith mortar]

You’re the profession trader and still can’t read a chart? Look at December 5th

That’s when numbers were released

[smoky python]

Yes so BTC lost what 2.5% that day?

ILV lost what 20%?

[zenith mortar]

I don’t know I’m not a professional trader you tell me how alts work when btc loses 2.5%

[smoky python]

Actually nevermind BTC was actually green on the 5th

[zenith mortar]

You’re def a professional trader

And professional 2nd placer

[smoky python]

Sorry you dont like it

[smoky python]

Smartass beat me fair and square

It was actually a good match

[lean ivy]

ok ppzlol nice copy lol

[kind wren]

You are a treasure @zenith mortar

[zenith mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799125503026003988/1164663278211973290/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif?ex=65440833&is=65319333&hm=707f84803138927d16bfdae642b0a1f71b7ce05059c37bf3555f96ec7439439c&

[reef basalt]

gg torque. Great 3 matches

[opaque pike]

how much money do we get each round?

[opaque pike]

thank you

[supple cave]

maaaaan... I am getting stuck on "waiting for opponent" WAY too often! It's terrible!

and if I do reconnect, next turn I get stuck again, always

[kind wren]

I bet it's just not enough active users yet. I've played you a few times in a row around this time before

[supple cave]

I mean inside a match

not "looking for opponent"

"waiting for opponent" to play, but the round never begins on my screen and I have to exit game, turn it on again, wait for the big loading screen, reconnect, try to play if there is still time, then get stuck again

[kind wren]

Oh I see. You're right. Happened to me today.

[smoky python]

@zenith mortar Just a question. Do you think this new patch is good?

[kind wren]

Instigator life

[zenith mortar]

Haven’t had time to play, busy working my friend… you should research the word

[smoky python]

lol

Can always read the notes

You had plenty of time to shittalk

[zenith mortar]

I read feedback from players seems mostly positive

[smoky python]

lol yes most players dont understand the game

But cool. Just wanted to see your opinion 🙂

[zenith mortar]

Good thing we have you to tell us how no one knows what they’re talking about

[smoky python]

i know. Thank god

[kind wren]

All this balancing theory going into patches, good thing we have beta players to test it

[smoky python]

It should be tested internally first

[kind wren]

Volume

[reef basalt]

While I agree this is the process I also acknowledge that the amount of players testing it in beta would be more efficient and quicker to spot issues that would need balancing.

[smoky python]

Of course. Just saying both things should be done.

[reef basalt]

Agree!

[smoky python]

Just because we have more players doesnt mean we should put out a subpar product

[zenith mortar]

It’s not? I believe everyone saw us testing internally

[smoky python]

I'm talking about this patch

[zenith mortar]

Maybe not the best for balancing but we don’t have a team of 50 qa testers

[smoky python]

And yah you testing it internally doesn't provide much value if you don't understand the game

[zenith mortar]

How are you not hired yet?

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-who-knows-idgaf-i-dont-care-i-dont-know-gif-23016529

I'll go rush to apply!

[kind wren]

Inconsistent at best

Do both but don't release it

[zenith mortar]

That’s a difficult one, because you have a smallish team that can only test so much with multiple products to test and release, what’s the best way to get feedback? Get ppl playing it. The current environment web 3 is in imo is ppl wanting to extract value you don’t have a majority of real gamers vs investors. Many ppl come into the ecosystem every day asking how to earn and when they can’t well they wait. The point is for the game to be good enough it doesn’t matter if you can earn or not. It’s just fun. Are we 100% there yet? No, we’ve been upfront about this but are we doing everything we can to, yes.

[tribal glade]

People definitely care about the patch, it just needs to be delivered better

Zeptyles, tweets and IlluviHub's graphics are pretty solid breakdowns

[wicked cloak]

bruh, it really ticks me off that the exalted monkier is mud but doesnt have energy lololo

[smoky python]

Patch notes are definitely key

Graphics + better naming will help a ton

[scarlet spindle]

Umbre definately needs to only hit once per target, not 3 times on a single target.

[wicked cloak]

better naming?

[kind wren]

Gotta love it. The testing phase is what it is. Investors only are here like it or not

[smoky python]

Instead of using internal names like thylacine, pangolin, etc

Use the in game names

umbre, sear, etc

[wicked cloak]

ahhhh gotcha

[safe valve]

That was pretty annoying for sure

[wicked cloak]

I mean they still had them in there tho

[zenith mortar]

I think it’s kinda cool using the real names to some degree, they are based on endangered species, and I added them to the patch notes so they are there now

[wicked cloak]

u just wish they would have taken out the internal ones and left just the specific names?

[smoky python]

It was added in afterwards. WAsnt there originally

[zenith mortar]

Its lore based as well

[kind wren]

You don't like the pterodactyl pokemon?

[wicked cloak]

ah, but i think how they have it now it good

[kind wren]

Brings so much nostalgia

[zenith mortar]

Imagine you didn’t know what a pangolin was… you google it and you know exactly what illuvial it was

But either way it’s there now, so always improving

[coarse echo]

I can give him energy if you would like (it won't do anything)

[azure wigeon]

i think its okay, just go on. and note the feedback.

[azure wigeon]

thats his ulti. kill him before time come

whats the meaning of 200*OP? if the OP is 100, its 300 or 20000

[reef basalt]

100 is percentage.

[winter marlin]

I am currently number one in the survival mode rankings, and finally I see that I am ranked in front of gamstopDRS. This guy is so awesome.

[smoky python]

Everyone's playing PvP now.

[honest pawn]

Im not, I havent played since the 1st patch

I need halp

[zenith mortar]

Wind is best

[honest pawn]

[unique ether]

just watched the CEO stream, and I just realized how do you even determine the illuvial that you bonded with if you forgot? lol

[zenith mortar]

Can’t easily currently

[warped ocean]

is there a bug where the ranger omega does 0 damage? i have 70 mastery point on it and it did omega 3 times literally did 0 damage

[smoky python]

I've noticed something similar occasionally

[lean ivy]

It may have hit something earlier in the path. The projectile will still fly to the furthest target, but the damage will hit on a unit earlier. (It also won't apply the damage until the " projectile" hits the furthest unit

[vivid stirrup]

yes a 100% everybody wants and needs patchnotes, i communicated that bad, i ment the youtube views on every patch notes rundown underperformed, and i need to find a better way of cooking them up for the community! got something in the oven for that 😁

[brazen quarry]

The patch notes Jeremy posted with the zendesk link are pretty decent. Don't know why they don't put them like that one the wesbite

[worn thicket]

It's always tricky with YT to make content that is only relevant for a week max. for your own mental health, i'd really suggest you not to put too much effort on that kind of content but instead focus on more "evergreen" stuff where you can stack views over multiple weeks. I'm not saying don't do patch notes breakdowns, just saying that kind of content is generally not worth 6h of edit.

[vivid stirrup]

100%! appreciate your input!

[winter marlin]

I have built a deck in Team Builder, but I can’t see it in the game. Why?

[bronze canopy]

are you using the same account?

or are you using the wallet account on team builder and the email in game

[smoky python]

if you were already logged in in-game you might need to hit refresh button as well

[winter marlin]

I went to Team Builder to build the deck through "build a new team" in the game, so it should be the same account, and refreshing it doesn't help.

[bronze canopy]

again, are you using a wallet on the website

or email to login

becaue in game you are using the email

but a lot of ppl log in with their wallets on website

[winter marlin]

I use email to log in, which is the same as the game email.

I can see the deck I made on the website, but it doesn’t appear in the game.

I logged in again within the game and the problem was solved

[heady gate]

What is happening? After almost winning the game it freezes

[bronze canopy]

the game is in beta and has lots of bugs

[jolly zealot]

Anyone else having issues opening the team builder in browser? I was able to open it in incognito but without that it just returns me to https://play.illuvium.io/

[zenith bough]

Magma is way to undertuned. 2 behemoth magma looses to 2 colosus toxic. Behemoth should be counter to collosus - no?

[worn thicket]

nah if you wanna counter colossus you can use Quantum Nulifier, pierce or the Photon (true damage) augments

usually big single target damage does better into it too like psions/Invokers

[zenith bough]

I ment classes

[topaz lake]

Yes, but the zone going off is not the problem. Maybe just the numbers on magma. In any case, when talking about Behemoth vs Colossus, the yes, it should counter, but you do have other external factors, like what's in your team vs their team.

[zenith bough]

It's on round 1 only.
It just feels weird the zones are going away, when you do not have the same effect on verdant

[topaz lake]

I'd play behemoth with Bloom/Frost tbh :))

[smoky python]

Why would you play Behemoth?

[worn thicket]

i think behemoth is just still very undertuned anyways, but i'd personnally like to see a patch just with just Toxic slight nerf, same for verdant

[zenith bough]

Yeah. Cause magma is bad

but it's sad

[worn thicket]

vanguards buff

[zenith bough]

it looks so cool

[worn thicket]

and see how it develops

[worn thicket]

and Jotun is probably one of the worst MP efficiency units

[zenith bough]

cause I like loosing

[zenith bough]

yeah. He's super bad.

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[worn thicket]

costs way too much for such a trash unit

[heady gate]

Do you guys encounter when you lose like until 3rd round on game then started to win on the 4th and suddenly the game freezes? You lose mmr?

[topaz lake]

Yep, we still have a lot to consider for synergies, even reworks at some point.

[zenith bough]

Just do not change animation on magma.

and make it stick, so we can enjoy it all game. Like, the magma flows. It made sense 1st itereation. 😄

[supple cave]

buuut he is awesome haha.

[lean junco]

i had the pb with Chrome. I changed navigator Just for team comp and it worked

[vernal forum]

Any idea how a ranger with 10 cost shield does this much damage? I have same setup.

[bronze canopy]

he probably reached your turtle with poison damage

whereas you didnt reach his

or smnt

[smoky python]

You forgot to charge him $50 for the advice

[bronze canopy]

im a generous god

[vernal forum]

There's a bug here, I just can't figure it out. His ranger does about 20x my ranger's damage with the same setup on rd 3 as well.

[smoky python]

Player diff

[fair hemlock]

Toxic deals 1% hp damage per stack in an area around the unit. Probably, the ranger is the center most unit here, and thus deals 1% damage to all units around him every 4 seconds.

Check your bull, it deals similar damage to the ranger.

Your bull doesnt do a lot of damage, and enemies dont really hit him often with his thorns up.

Purely tocic damage being allocated to their ranger and to your bull.

[vernal forum]

I'm willing to chalk it up to I stink if nobody else thinks there is an issue here. ty for the assistance.

[fair hemlock]

It is all pure damage (white) so it is either toxic or thorns. 🙂

Your bull did more damage than their ranger though. Thats what i call unfair.

Also im guessing it is your bull because i cant see the pictures on the left lol

[formal crown]

this is what I was thinking (I was the opponent) but I wasn't sure so we would like another pair of educated eyes

[fair hemlock]

Im educated in the art of losing. I lost my last 5 games in a row

[vernal forum]

You have the 45 shield on Rd 1, but switch to the 10 shield on Rd 2 - is this correct?

[formal crown]

yes

[vernal forum]

ty - I'm testing it now - seems like that could be the issue

[tight swift]

I have a question, does anyone know why my Ranger sometimes doesn't deal Omega damage even though it has Water Gauntlet III?

[civic grotto]

Have u guys watched Kieran vs TL guy?

[lament frigate]

Was funny / entertaining… unfortunately only like peak 50viewers

[civic grotto]

TL guy was complete embarrassment. You would have thought that he and his community might have put up at least some effort to learn the game. Guess that they only liked the share of disk revenue sales..

[wicked cloak]

is adorius bugged right now? its been like 3 times where he just doesnt ult on full omega power, with no cc or anything on him

[lament frigate]

I haven’t listened in such detail, but what happened?

[civic grotto]

Let's put it this way. TL guy played like triple digit ELO pleb.

[lament frigate]

What you mean with that, his diamond1 elo boarder ?

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/pot-kettle-hello-the-hypocrisy-zone-gif-14537828

[fair hemlock]

Sjud when will you get out of the triple digit Elo rankings? 😋

[brazen quarry]

Can somebody let me now who wins tournament, I can't watch this

[fair hemlock]

Why not?

[brazen quarry]

Busy

[still sorrel]

What a tough match BRO

[edgy bough]

CONGRATS @clever roost for taking out INFERNO #3 🏆 Big GG to @late lagoon for 2nd that final was so exciting to watch 🔥

[late lagoon]

ty wildfire awesome tournament again. loved it. Very unexpected result... not the final that was expected lol

[worn thicket]

GG @hallow gulch for 4th place using only one deck!

[hallow gulch]

legit didnt change deck once, even if i lost i just changed tactics and prevailed

Thanks for making that deck bro, legit love how flexible and robust it is

proud of 4th tbh considering how little I play, gg to the winners

[lean ivy]

Alright still a little but hurt losing to @late lagoon in another tournament but gg!

On another note, I just hit 2100 what is first place! I'm coming for it. And I don't mean smurfs with like 10games on it, that got lucky to the top.

[dark vine]

hmm, I believe most accounts above 2100 are like 10-20 game accounts

[worn thicket]

👏

[worn thicket]

yeah but it's ok when rewards come they said it would have some mad barrier like 1000 games minimum to be eligible

don't even know if i would tbh xD i play so little legit must have like 100-150 ranked games in 3 weeks

[dark vine]

ah, this is already confirmed, nice! Thought they are just discussing this

[hallow gulch]

thank god

[worn thicket]

i hope the barrier is not actually 1000 and they just said that number to show it would be a high number though

[dark vine]

well, it takes a lot of matches to get to your accurate rating

[worn thicket]

like let's say you play 10 games EVERYDAY for a full month, that's only 300... can we really ask people to play more than that?

[hallow gulch]

100 minimum feels like enough + some kind of system where if you dont play for x days ur elo decreases as well to prevent ELO sitting

[worn thicket]

yep decay system would be nice and i agree barrier should be less than 1000 which is very wild

i think 200-ish is fine

[hallow gulch]

without a decay system and a min game system in place its just gunna get abused hard

[worn thicket]

if a couple streamers wanna go try and claim rank 1 and 2 and have enough time for it... gl to them and im fine rewarding them. but because playing 200 games per account takes time they'd be still very limited so its oke

[worn thicket]

oh i would just go straight: need to have plaied 200 games in a 30days period. next month you need to have plaied 200 more to apply again

this way only active players get rewarded

[dark vine]

yeah, that sounds good

[hallow gulch]

100 a month maybe, which is 3.3 a day

7 games a day minimum seems a bit much

[dark vine]

maybe, 200 games min overall and at least 100 during the last 30 days

[turbid osprey]

Where did you hear 1000 zep? I agree thats seems a ton, i feel im quite active and most likely have under 100

[worn thicket]

but also if you spam ladder you can probably get the 200 games in like 7 days of 2-3 hours in weekdays and full tryhard session on the weekend

[hallow gulch]

thatd be good

[lament frigate]

How the hack became terror bird such a monster again? Have arcanite been buffed or what?

[dark vine]

it always was people just slept on that because they wanted to complain about umbre 🙂

[turbid osprey]

No a lot of comps counter it actually. As patch was yesterday everyone was pretty unprepared

[worn thicket]

think it was Edi or Nick here who mentioned that number

[lament frigate]

I have tried various decks vs it and failed.

[dark vine]

yeah, agree but it is still strong. I have more the problem: How I am going to beat hetbhone's deck without a terrorbird

[worn thicket]

it's basically because they removed it's biggest counter of the game

arcanites used to do very poorly into blazenite but that comp doesn't exist anymore... whoever requested that... ok i'm not getting a time out for this but you all got my point

[late lagoon]

Agree with this massively, didn’t have time to try new things so decided not to 🙂

[turbid osprey]

Actually this new arcanite beat the old empath ezpz with the immune

People catching up on temporal is what killed empath then the patch omega killed it

[formal crown]

we have figured out so many counter plays to empath it is no longer a playable team

[turbid osprey]

Yes and to add on arcanites team now beating empath, meta changed more towards invoker & psions at the same time

[tall maple]

Did arena just get super laggy for anyone else?

[still sorrel]

@cyan olive GG, love ur content bro ❤️

[dark vine]

just noticed during the tournament mud/col/bers lost against arcanites as well, right? Thought mud could maybe be dangerous for arcanites

[late lagoon]

Cleanse augment wins. I was thinking of putting a second one in

[dark vine]

ah, thank you 🙂 I see, haven't played arcanite for a long time.

[late lagoon]

So as long as your arcanites don’t get hit straight away they won’t lose too much at speed before cleanse and then I had 3 water so energy going up anyway to make sure I get the cleanse off

[dark vine]

yeah, that is an optimization I should consider for my deck as well 🙂 Sounds good 🙂

if I had any space left 😄

[somber breach]

Is the team builder down for anyone else?

[tropic moon]

yes

[turbid osprey]

Yes but i think it had the advantage

[edgy flower]

With more experience I bet I will win that bird also eheheh

[wicked cloak]

what is the difference between grit and resolve and energy and physical resist?

[worn thicket]

@low comet what happened? we locked here forever?

the bug twice in the same game for real?

[low comet]

Im reconnecting HAHAHAHAHA dont know who won

[worn thicket]

me neither the fact i won last 2 round without playing anything is mad xD

[worn thicket]

looks like i won, gg

[low comet]

gg hahahaha don't know what happened there

[harsh falcon]

I know its due to a low player count but the matchmaking is bad …

I get matched with guys 3-5 ranks lower than me … if i win +3 points but if i lose -20

Basically a no reward max risk game

Hopefully we get some incentives for playing so more people join and play the game

Won 4 games in a row vs my ranks and lost 1 vs 3 ranks lower and ended up net 0 … a bit annoying

[hoary mason]

Womp womp

[woven flint]

Just a private beta bud, they opened to everybody but that wasn t the plan initially until the true Open beta.
At this point, marketing will probably go very agressive
But to be fair, it would be a double edge sword now because more people = more people not able to understand that its like an alpha and many criticism could happend

[harsh falcon]

Im not complaining or angry … just saying its a bit annoying

[worn thicket]

Unfortunately that's not what the team said. when i asked to push for marketing they said it would be more progressive than trying to get a big bang effect 😦

[jagged summit]

We don’t really want a lot of players rn anyways. As the game stands most will play a few weeks if that and get tired of it, potentially never coming back. Better to use up 20k players fixing the game than 300k that can be acquired once the game is fun and has earning components which unfortunately are very necessary rn.

[west plume]

@gritty wren be nice,iam trying out a ned build

[gritty wren]

haha gl

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

[gritty wren]

XDD gg

[west plume]

jfc

[zenith bough]

Kfc*

I believe it’s called

[west plume]

ofcourse

but no

i got hammered out of this world

[zenith bough]

What does it mean?

[west plume]

Jfc?

[zenith bough]

Yeah

Unless you know the meaning of something more interesting

Then do that

[harsh falcon]

damn @cyan olive i konw your scared of me but you dont have to cheat XDDDD

dont konw what happened but could make any moves in turn 4

got some error msg everytime i tried to do something

@zenith mortar where can i send this ?

[cyan olive]

idk what that is lol

[harsh falcon]

first time i got this bug

strange

but ggs

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-cheat-you-will-win-qotd-qoute-motto-nods-gif-12425147

[zenith mortar]

Use the in game bug reporter

Press b

[west plume]

Hey Rich

[warped ocean]

this stuff happens usually when theres a lot of changes made in the round OR making a last second move and it retracts it

[west plume]

Wanna play a game?

or are you scared?

[wicked forum]

We need creativity in players!! People just copy and paste! hahaha.

[sharp wagon]

I had this bug too. maybe related to putting an illuvial to close to the edge?!

[zenith mortar]

Doing yard work haha

But yes I’m scared

[wicked forum]

Hey. Is there a leaderboard for arena pvp?

[smoky python]

No

[jagged summit]

Well when there are so few combos for composites and classes available rn it's hard to see that many different teams. Maybe this is no good, though i think something has to be done to let you stack composites easier, especially for the ones that don't even have a second unit to pair with rn

[wicked forum]

I think it would be nice a Ban System, like Dota. Each match, player choose one or two illuvial of enemy team for ban. It force player to have different options in deck. Player with more knowledge would have more advantage too.

[dark vine]

agree, I believe very small mistakes cost you both games. Next time your deck could be on top 🙂 At least for today I don't see a solution for the multilayer threat your deck posses

[humble gorge]

I see you @tropic moon 👀

[tropic moon]

gg ❤️

[humble gorge]

GG good sir 🙂

[lean ivy]

@civic grotto Well F!@#$ played

[civic grotto]

Ty! U2

[lean ivy]

whop didn't mean to reply

[civic grotto]

first time i'm seeing that build

[lean ivy]

that aumentation was nice

If I just didn't let ryplance target me...

[civic grotto]

switching to x3 air from x3 fire increased my Wr a lot

especially for c**t builds like this

[lean ivy]

Ya I actually started with predetor but it just felt underwhelming. I do feel like I am lacking primary synergyies I only get bulwark with mine

[civic grotto]

I'm using predator a lot, if enemy is using psions

[lean ivy]

@opaque cape whatt just happened .

I had like 5 seconds to play lol

no

You played aflish

lol

I just threw shit on in the 5 sec timer

you got a titanor and lynx but it was bugged

Well we get the rematch 😉

[winter marlin]

geyyser cant heal allies is bug?

[lean ivy]

Ya when you did It was gg

You can't give mertor to mud

they just survive to long

[wicked forum]

Actual copy and paste team: 4 MUD, 2 Mystic, 2 Verdant, 2 Colossus, 2 Berserker, 2 Toxic

[rancid raptor]

whats energy attack damage?

i see, thanks

[winter marlin]

When fighting against players, the position of the creature can be moved but sometimes it cannot. What is the reason?

[worldly jolt]

Sounds solid. The diversity is good.

[worldly jolt]

Moving an illuvial costs points.

[reef basalt]

On the turn you put an illuvial down they can be moved for free but turns after they have a one-time cost each turn you move them

[winter marlin]

I would like to ask if these creatures in the future can only be obtained from the overworld, right?

[winter marlin]

i see ,thx

[winter marlin]

i see ,thx

[reef basalt]

Yes once in open beta illuvials have to be captured in overworld

[lean ivy]

@uncut comet the mind games....gg

[winter marlin]

30 hexes is mean?

[uncut comet]

haha was lucky u switched again but very close

[warped ocean]

lol empaths became literally pointless with this nerf might as well remove from game XD

[static steeple]

GG Karl

[civic grotto]

Empaths nerfed?! Oh no. Anyway...

[winter marlin]

30 hexes is mean?

[willow widget]

Okay so here's my feedback about arena: generally i like the pvp mode but i think we need some random mode where you can just hit play and start gaming. Playing every match the same deck feels also kinda boring to me. (I come from TFT/DotA Underlords)

Augments are too complicated imo.

i believe the missing tooltips and a lot of words that no one understands (f.e. grit/resolve) makes the game too hard to learn (why make it even harder for noobs by naming it grit/resolve, instead x/y defense)

Sooo wen TFT/Dota mode?

[lean junco]

perhaps we should limit the number of possible elements in a deck to avoid them all being the same. As in any other tcg.
A regular mode, and an unlimited one

[late lagoon]

I think with the key words like grit and resolve when you hover over the word it should give a description. Kind of like in hearthstone.

[winter marlin]

What is "Vanquisher's" mean?What is "30 hexes" mean?

[twilit storm]

@willow widget the game itself is kinda complicate not only the augments. It s an autochess battle like so there is a ton of layers of complexity: positional, predict, scaling, economy...etc etc

[willow widget]

yeah but you wont reach the mass market with this game mode IMO therefor the feedback (mass adoption is still the goal here, right?)

[twilit storm]

this is only a fraction of the game: Arena, OW and Zero compose the whole game. Leviathan mode too is another layer. Fuel economy, exping Illuvials, illuvial market to build personalized teams...that s the game imho

[willow widget]

i know its only a fraction of the game, i'm invested in this project since the balancer pool, my point is i dont see millions of gamers joining the game with so much hurdles to overcome (deck building f.e.)

OW right now would only attract web3 people who want to profit
Entry price to play Zero rn is ~0.3eth (no mass adoption)
Leviathan is just arena with pay2win elements

none of that will achieve mass adoption imo

[smoky python]

Based on what we have mass adoption aint happening

Turns out experience matters

[jade anchor]

Game feels extremely fun and addictive to me and I’ve never played an auto battler before. I agree it could be a lot more accessible. The first 10 games are tough. But equally I think this is a damn good game. I’ve played 100 games now and it’s not getting boring at all if anything it’s more interesting.

Massive potential if executed and marketed properly

[smoky python]

When founders dump its over
We had a good run

[fleet crest]

What happened? 2 weeks ago you said it was a good game for its 1st attempt of pvp. What's changed?

[nocturne wedge]

team builder is not working? I cannot access in the site

[smoky python]

Founder are dumping tokens

its over

GG

[jade anchor]

What is the counter to bloom?

[lament frigate]

Are you trolling, or for real (backed by evidence)?

You must be trolling bro, the commitment founders / team Illuvium shows every day .... I would be pretty surprised if that's truly the case.

[smoky python]

ive gotten about 20 DMs aboot it

[winter marlin]

What is "Vanquisher's" mean?What is "30 hexes" mean?

[smoky python]

waiting on an offical statement from the team

damage is already done though

up to aaron

[ebon moat]

Tell me there's a detailed guide somewhere. How are you supposed to figure out how to play this game?

[supple cave]

wtf are you talking about?

[safe valve]

if i were knew i probably would:
watch some content creaters ( #🎨〕community-content )
or read up on some community websites, like illuvidata, illuvialmaster etc. (just google them)

[smoky python]

keep up to date

[reef basalt]

We recently posted a beginners guide. Can find the link to our X post here: https://discordapp.com/channels/760344898200666112/814317365662580786/1185193856690557008

[atomic kestrel]

where is a good place to find more stats on the illivals the ones on the website dont have everything

[velvet dome]

illuvialmaster, not perfect but good enough

[atomic kestrel]

yeah that doesnt have it either like why dont they have how much engery it is to cast there omega on that stat sheet

[velvet dome]

killer. hexes on the battle ground.

[atomic kestrel]

seems important thing to know

[winter marlin]

If an enemy has 30 hexes giving him a negative effect, what does 30 hexes mean?

[supple cave]

30 hexagons

[reef basalt]

We have it on our database as well. Plus included animations (if available)

[winter marlin]

30 hexagons? Don’t understand,
Does one enemy occupy several hexagons?

[worldly jolt]

Yes.

It’s the floor of the board. It’s a ton of hexagons

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-frog-illuvium-frog-meme-thug-life-glasses-frog-life-gif-25591793

[winter marlin]

Just did the math
There are 30 of them anywhere

[worldly jolt]

Each illuvial has a central hex but also their perimeter of hexes.

[worldly jolt]

What math exactly?

[winter marlin]

What I mean is that I counted the number of squares under the creature's feet with my hands.

[worldly jolt]

It says something like “within 30 hexes” right?

It’s not the size of the illuvial it’s the distance away right?

But there are certainly small illuvials that have take up fewer hexes than the larger ones.

[fair hemlock]

count 30 hexes in one diagonal line, and that's the area of effect.

[winter marlin]

Enemies within 30 Hexes have their
Grit and Physical Resistance
Reduced by 50%.

[fair hemlock]

yes. So if you put that on an Illuvial, then take its center Hexagon and then count 30 to one end, 30 to the other end and that's the area of effect.

[winter marlin]

I think as long as you equip this kind of card, need to be able to see the area effect

[lean ivy]

lol did you put in a short on ilv or something. Sounds like you are trying to cause some fud... love to see evidence if it is true. I could check wallets but I don't want to spend the time doing it.

[dark vine]

#💰〕token message

[lean ivy]

Ya i litterally just got caught up

Seems like a non problem to me

[dark vine]

agree 🙂

[lean ivy]

Thanks for sharing though 🙂

[wicked cloak]

bro its the beta, idk what you and smartass dont understand about that lol

you guys are just expecting this to be a full fledged game with patches every 2 days, there is nothing wrong with taking your time and making sure everything is perfect

while we are in the beta, if the game were out right now its a different story

[scarlet spindle]

The Ramphy, Ramphite, Ramphyre line is a good one for that, they show an outline on their area when they omega. Compare that with their description and see what size that is.

[raven obsidian]

@stiff seal that bloom is way too good. gg

[stiff seal]

Haha, gg SA. Thanks for the sparring XD

[stiff seal]

Gg ser, 😄

Wen bloom buff 🙃

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/death-fear-mobile-beetle-rhinoceros-beetle-gif-19060311

[lean ivy]

@opaque cape You feel confident into mud? 😉

[supple cave]

it's totally 100% a non problem. only sjud being himself and being an a--hole to aaron for no reason

[lean ivy]

Prepare your self. Please don't use augments from that round I was typing

[scarlet spindle]

Toxic verdant colossus?

Ive been kicking a lot of ass with all t0's just to see if I can, but i cant beat that one

[lean ivy]

Letss go see you in chat

[worn thicket]

there is no such thing

oh Phosphorus remains the top1 hyper carry 100%

[supple cave]

you using what, a bloom predator ranger?

[lean ivy]

1 -0 Caveman

1 - 1damn it

2 -1 Smart ass gg lol

[vernal forum]

lol this was a trip to read

[lean ivy]

@cyan olive here is my side gg 1 - 1

[civic grotto]

Does Grilla's statue work with some augments?

Like for example life storm, to deal dmg all around it

[lean ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[lean ivy]

ohhh that would be crazy

[lean ivy]

ok nice that sentinal stunwave doesn't work

@cyan olive crazy game bro

[west quartz]

What’s the team ? Didn’t get the chance to play this weekend yet

Wuttyt

Is this November yet ?

So the patch didn’t change anything ? 😂

[supple cave]

that's what got me on the tournament and I think both finalists were using it

[ebon moat]

I read the guide its a good start but I really dont feel like it helps me figure out how to play. Also you guys should really post this to the website and make it easy to find. Feel like its a good start but I really don't understand a lot. Like how to read stats. It seems like stat wise a bulwark and fighter look pretty similar. They all look kind of similar but perform really different during battle. I can see how hyper is affected by affinity. But how do composit affinities fit in? I also see when to use basic classes but have no idea what to do or expect from composite classes. And I don't have any idea what things like grit and resolve do. Or energy. And I really dont know how to read the equations in game for OP damage.

Also I dont know how to tell if things are dealing energy damage or physical

[atomic kestrel]

pretty sure laulura is bugged in some way

takes no damage

seems like anyways

[potent topaz]

try going to illuvihub site

[ebon moat]

also have no idea what stages do either

[fair hemlock]

try moving onto our guide on our site.
illuvihub gg/guides
With a dot in between ofc.

Some things still need updating so if the stats don't make sense, thats in the works!

[ebon moat]

Thanks I'll check it out

[ebon moat]

Ohh just went to your site it looks like I might like your guides

[potent topaz]

haha sorry its illuvihub

[ebon moat]

Anyone form groups yet to help teach newbies how to play? like through custom matches?

[fair hemlock]

sure hit me up anytime and we roster something in! you can also check out Viper's streams. Very very informative and you can ask questions during streams

[reef basalt]

Thanks for the feedback. Will capture this for another segment. We wanted to do basics while an advance version will be worked on to those who get a grasp of the game and want to elevate to the next level

[hoary mason]

@daring shuttle

[fleet crest]

I'm travelling and haven't got to play the new patch yet. How is it?

[daring shuttle]

Damn fliish

[hoary mason]

gg

[daring shuttle]

gg

[hoary mason]

your deck is fine btw. just got hard countered

[daring shuttle]

thanks, been doing good with it, have to figure out what you brought. It was tough to deal with

[hoary mason]

I might make a video explaining it. spent about 7 hours building it. now im testing it.

[ebon moat]

Thanks for the reply. Makes sense. Would be nice if there was a pvp mode for newbies. Longer times to act and maybe fewer things for players to think about. Or a more difficult training mode where you can use your own packs.

Learning curve is STEEP. But at least I'm not loosing every time

Can you get sILV from playing arena?

Also is there any way to get the cards out of the way of seeing your units?

[exotic totem]

hello there, i just downloaded the game and i wanted to know, can you earn playin' the arena?

[ebon moat]

trying to figure that out too

[worldly jolt]

Press 2 or 3 to view the board from the side. 1 gets back to basic view

[ebon moat]

Thanks!

[worldly jolt]

Regarding earning: Simply by playing no. There are sometimes tournaments that #1169004294473793597 are hosting that have prizes.

The game is not connected to the blockchain yet. It’s just testing.

[worldly jolt]

No

[exotic totem]

ooh! i get it now. so blockchain's on when its fully released, i guess?

[worldly jolt]

Correct

[exotic totem]

gucci, thanks!

[edgy bough]

@split scroll GG thats 2-1 to you

[split scroll]

GG, you made me change my layout 😄

[edgy bough]

cool! i like those matches. im testing a new ranger layout and messed my bond up twice 😭

[ebon moat]

Whats indominable do?

[worldly jolt]

Keeps the illuvial alive even if it’s at zero health.

[ebon moat]

gotcha! How about piercing?

[worldly jolt]

Hmm it pierces through resist right? Negating the mitigation

[ebon moat]

I guess... that table is helpful though

[wicked cloak]

what deck you running?

[split scroll]

Dualeph is by far the worst illuvual to play against, it's so infuriating how strong it is. Phosphorus is a close second. It's a bit crazy how strong these two are compared to other 100 cost illuvials. Just my two cents thanks for reading.

[worn thicket]

dualeph is fine 🙂 positionning and augments can literally make it unplayable, which you can't do to Phosphorus because people play immune on it. i think the actual balance of 100 costs is fine, they are exactly where they should be.

We need a strong work on the 75-90s though, Jotun is not a unit. Poor Blazenite got killed for no reason. Sear is hard to justify it's cost. Vanguards are still bad.

[ebon moat]

anyone know what deck setups have the least amount of time to match with someone?

[jagged summit]

I don’t think your setup matters as much as your ranking points and who’s online searching within a certain range of you.

[ebon moat]

seems like when I made a deck of collosus, aegis, etc I waited a long time and the person I was paired with also had the heavy units. But with a starter deck I only wait about 30 seconds

[jagged summit]

Huh weird. Could just be coincidence though maybe there is a bit more to the matchmaking algo going on

[hoary mason]

@west musk

[west musk]

Fliish Frenzy

[hoary mason]

game crash, did you win?

[west musk]

yep

[hoary mason]

ahh, gg.

[west musk]

gg

[west musk]

I've been noticing more crashes today. Anyone else?

[hoary mason]

idk, but can we 1v1?

[west musk]

same decks?

[hoary mason]

yes

ERXVYN

i need to test this deck

i think it crashed again

[west musk]

dang. restart computer?

[hoary mason]

I'm in a ranked now, but idk what happend with the custom. sorry.

[west musk]

NP catch you later

[ebon moat]

Did everyone have to restart?

[hoary mason]

@ebon moat good luck

gg

[ebon moat]

Was that you? gg

[hoary mason]

yes

[ebon moat]

@muted pond you slaughtered me

[muted pond]

Hehe I've had my fair share of being slaughtered 😉

[gleaming needle]

Can't play a match without a new bug everytime.

Gonna wait a few months I guess.

[lament frigate]

Anyone playing Arena, since 9min in queue xD

[brazen quarry]

Ranked?

Hmm yeah also 5 min nothing, guess nobody is playing right now

[gleaming needle]

I stopped playing. 1 new bug per match.

[bronze canopy]

creating a team is the barrier to entry

takes too long for the casual player

and usually its shit anyway

need to pay gigabrains to create teams

yep, a big oversight for the first iteration

need to have like 50 teams ready and available for people to play

instantly

login, get a random team

go

[wheat sable]

Ye, casuals will not play this game

Complexity is good but harder to sell

[bronze canopy]

complexity is fine as it is

the problem is the barrier to entry

people need to play

and they will learn everything they need

but if they fail at the first step

step 1: play

they cant learns

so gotta have teams ready for people to play

and eventuaalyl they will know most things

[brazen quarry]

[bronze canopy]

i just reflect on my last stream

i know most affinities/classes/omegas

a played the game a ton

spent like an hour on the website theorizing a team

well im sure there are bits information that i dnt know about

but i dont know wha ti dont know

and then i went to test the team

its shit

hmm

few alterations

its shit

hmm

ok thanks guys for comig to the stream

barely stayed sane

and now multiply that by 10

for the casual player

irrelevant if i suck or not

you multiply the difficulty

by 10

for the casual player

= nobody plasy the game

and imagine if you have no vested interest

you literaly dont care

leave and dont come back

hopefully next patch they gonna have a lot more teams for ppl to play

pay martini to create teams

have a random pvp mode

where you get a random team

0 beforethought

[brazen quarry]

I said this so many times

[bronze canopy]

gotta have a chess guide like system

[brazen quarry]

What's different than playing a pre made deck that you don't know how to play?

[bronze canopy]

where thigns light up in succession

really have to make this as hand held as can be

for a training pvp

not ranked

[bronze canopy]

you learn as you play

load up dota auto chess

0 knowledge

you play 10 games

you got some idea

[brazen quarry]

Yeah, was as reply on SA

[bronze canopy]

ow

i think the lighting in succession of moves is the best play

like the fire deck

1 round 3 fighters

2 round 2 rogues... 3 bulwakrs etc

ppl learn that master points can be used to close the classes/affinities bonuses for certain rounds

give them 20 decks like that

they can go craft something

idk ppl really have to think about onboarding

[lament frigate]

Why I'm getting matched vs bronze and silver as platin player 2x times in a row?

Something must be wrong her.

[bronze canopy]

not enough plat players queueing

[brazen quarry]

Team has to think about people that never played this and don't know anything about it. They have been building this from the ground up for 3 years, everything seems easy for them

[lament frigate]

Like playing for 0lp is not even funny.

And neither for them playing for like -1 LOL

wp before bro. now it's 3-2

was a good matches you played.

wow, 2x times truly 0lp LOL

one 1200 rating and 800 vs 1900+

[west quartz]

overtime 😂

[gentle bronze]

What are the top 3 best meta comps right now?

Toxic Colossus + invoker or mud
Water/Fire bulwark + arcanite hyper carry

And what else?

[iron kayak]

Problem of connection?

[reef basalt]

the bird one is pretty strong

[zenith bough]

I like it as a mechanic. Makes positioning matter more, which is a positive for me

That’s the reason I like it. 😅 if opponent goes all in on one side and don’t think about positioning, it can be severely punished

[west quartz]

imo the problem isn't indomitable, it's the ability to make 3 units indomitable

[worldly jolt]

I think I’m with you regarding the 3 indomitable units. It’s god from a machine but three times in a single short story.

[hollow drift]

Anyone else have an issue with the game not making past the loading screen after downloading from topic game store?

It will literally saying loading for hours

[frosty canyon]

Does predator ability ‘execution at 10%’ defeat indomitable?

[velvet dome]

how much energy gain when attack and attacked?

[jagged summit]

If only they had dedicated more resources to a story mode/campaign in overworld that could include all the basic to more advanced tutorials you need as you progress while also learning about the lore of the world and moving towards some greater goal to get people hooked to the universe.

Though you could also just put in a training mode which is probably a lot easier for them to do especially at this point and just put the menu under survival mode.

I know Aaron and team are working on scripts and such though I just don’t see a true campaign being ready at launch. Also remember them saying it wouldn’t play like that two years ago either so idk what to expect.

[west quartz]

no idea

[zenith bough]

That’s why we have rouges. units that are bankkunde are squishy

Yeah, still. It’s easy to kill the invokers if you target them with rouges. I haven’t had trouble against that deck. It’s low ranks though, so could definitely be different than what I have experienced

[worn tree]

Should true sight enable untargetable units to be seen?

[summer frigate]

Wen leaderboard ?

[split scroll]

I guess to be clear i'm not asking for anything to be nerfed into the ground or something. It's just infuriating to play against. Pho is the exactly the same thing, though a bit harder to counter than dualeph both seem stronger than there other similar cost counter parts.

[split scroll]

Yeah vanguard... i've tried so hard to make them work, they just don't. I wish they would reconsider the purpose of vanguard, for example we don't really have tools for dealing with "stacks" of illuvials other than putting down Rampyre (educate me if we have more lol), it would be interesting to see Vanguard taunt and then teleport so they can be used to "move" illuvials from there stacked locations, but maybe that's too strong?

[gentle bronze]

@neat walrus game crashed?

[worldly jolt]

Unplugged?

[neat walrus]

crashed😅
Looking forward to our next matchup

[gentle bronze]

Well I lost LP so you must have won lol

[worldly jolt]

Predetermined outcome

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-meet-your-destiny-master-oogway-kung-fu-panda-gif-26485579

[old mantle]

so how r things going, r we going to be able to make team without linking wallet or going in some website

might have missed few announcements

[worldly jolt]

Not yet

I’ve not heard of a timeline for this

[formal crown]

yo @stiff seal that was a great game bro

[worn thicket]

there's plenty more options against a stack than just rhamphyre

[split scroll]

like? I feel like part of the issue with empath for example was how hard it was break them up in there stack? It didn't seem like we had a lot of options, though reducing energy / healing helped there. You can reduce energy on dualeph if it's stacked in a corner, or use ramphyre to reach it in the back, but what else is there? pho and hope it aoes it them down with omega fast enough?

[worn tree]

does molten ground stack?

[split scroll]

It used too, im not sure if that changed with the magma change, i think it just removes them if they die now?

[worn thicket]

well you can position far away from the stack like you say to split them apart and so they don't benefit anymore from everyone's omega around them and making them easier to deal with for example

or use any sort of strong AOE damage, you quoted Rhamphyre but Arcane lynx, Fliish or Ranger with Gauntlet or even Dualeph are also very good into killing "stacks"

just remember that if you're trying to beat them with AOE damage you want them to stay together to maximize your damage, and if you have a more single target comp like Arcanites you want to position very far away to split and isolate your targets

[split scroll]

Hmm i guess cross map positioning isn't a bad idea, true, would other force them in the middle. I think i still like the idea of vanguard forcing them to move via taunt though lol

[worn thicket]

taunt won't make units that shoot from a distance move. will only affect melee characters like fighters or bulwarks

also the way the game interacts with multiple taunts at a time is so messy that i really dont want that cancer in the backlines. I see stupid illogical things way too often in colossus mirrors to allow the same crap to happen in the backlines

[split scroll]

yeah it's strange watching things dance around after more than 1 taunt though i guess your right that only really affects melee

[worn thicket]

(for those who don't know, in Illuvium if 2 actions like 2 taunts are supposed to happen at the exact same time, the game will randomly assign an order to them and thats why maybe round1 your ranger was taunted by the cardulox on start, and r3 your ranger decides to go for a walk and ends up hitting the gnarl 16hexes away