🎮〕illuvium-arena

[dark vine]

well, friday won't work for me anyway...

[true crest]

So Im loving Arena. My only suggestion is the creature design against the battle environment. Because almost every creature has almost every color in its design including multiple of the same issue with color swaps, a full team is basically unreadable on field (and visually unappealing). Obviously this is an ironic issue as we're talking about design, but it would be nice to see valid units moving forward becoming a little more.... UX friendly?

[worn tree]

@proven ember please fix Harbinger-Umbre ASAP.

It is literally broken. Not fun to play and not fun to play against.

Thank you sir ❤️

Which ones?

[vivid stirrup]

https://play.illuvium.io/team-builder/47bd1339-0e12-47e6-af21-5c4a7e071907

i had great sucess with this versus harbinger umbre

[worn tree]

To be honest. It feels fucking broken to me I don't care who you are.

I have been losing non-stop to it (90% wr otherwise). And I have 100% wr with it.

That in my book is broken.

It's fun to play "the puzzle guy" but with the current Illuvial pool feels extremely hard to counter properly and it's unhealthily overpowered. If you wanna play big boy I am smart, that is ok. But it won't deny the fact that the comp is fucking broken and stupidly easy to play. I do the same every fucking game and win regardless.

That's just poor game experience right there and I am sure the team will fix this.

[tulip tiger]

Oh mii 👀

[worn tree]

If I can know your deck beforehand, I shall consider it.

[vivid stirrup]

yes, and it performs great versus harbinger umbre 🙂

[woven flint]

🍿

[worn tree]

Well if you know the details of my deck. How is it fair that I don't know yours? Are you gonna design a specific niche deck to win mine? How is that good in ladder?

How is that healthy for the game?

[vivid stirrup]

didn't you read the original message we are talking about? "please fix Harbinger-Umbre ASAP."

[worn tree]

Let's play a game. No money involved.

that's proportional risk

well not really but still not convincing enough to me

[vivid stirrup]

in my opinion umbre is not the problem. the stacking physical damage augments and the fact that omni-vamp does get 100% value from AOE abilities make him broken.

[worn tree]

Exactly. The problem is the 300 OP (from 3 harbinger) + 45% vamp

Actually the nerf should be on fucking harbingers. The current harbinger stats are unsustainable

Imagine 8 harbingers and 1 mage. +800 OP LOL

[vivid stirrup]

harbinger buff is not the problem i think. i have a way higher winrate on other umbre teams

[worn tree]

The issue with umbre is that his ultimate has no range limits and it can kill a dps from the other edge of the board.

The issue with harbinger is that they give too much OP on death.

Fuse that shit and we have a broken deck

[vivid stirrup]

stop trying to sell your knowledge please. there are content creators who provide better insights for free.

[worn tree]

But who the fuck are you lol? xd

[vivid stirrup]

viper.

[languid sparrow]

RELAX guys, go outside....

[worn tree]

That's what I thought. That's why you are so ballsy

[dark vine]

who basically gave up on this meta... so in this case I have to give it to smartass...

[worn tree]

He might do. Or maybe he knows it will get nerfed soon enough

[dark vine]

I mean actually it is already nice to tell people that there is a solution to this

[vivid stirrup]

im sure you will find it in his 40 hours of pure illuvium content streamed every week.
is there anything about your skill and knowledge available to check out for people before they have to give you money? 😄

[humble gorge]

has anyone else been having issues with warpwave working? It seems to work for my opponents but any time i use it, nothinghappens lol

[vivid stirrup]

seems like i'm good at it. and i'm giving it out for free..
maybe don't use the villains approach if u want to be a hero.

[worn tree]

That guy is definitely not a hero lol. He is just a seller.

[vivid stirrup]

seems more like a scam. to try bullying people into your coaching while there is plenty of better information available for free on youtube.

[marsh bloom]

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[dark vine]

I mean I can see his point though. He won two of two tournaments he played in. On youtube isn't content that defeats umbre and his knowledge could indeed be worth like 500$ (Price money for #1 in a tournament) since the game mostly is deckbuilding atm...

that beeing said I don't like this selling in discord either

[vivid stirrup]

will keep an eye out for this. didn't notice so far

[limber scroll]

and its not allowed. self promotion is not allowed in this server. #✍〕rules

[zenith bough]

I think the better question might be how you get that augment. Only had it 1 time myself

[vivid stirrup]

true. there are barely matches where someone gets it. might be the hardest augment to test live

[dark vine]

its rare to get it indeed 😄 Should have made a screenshot today since I had two waves in one game -.-

[humble gorge]

it's a shame, i gotta burn 3 tokens on blocking it just so the other guy can't use it on me, but i can't seem to use it myself lol

[zenith bough]

Do you use it on an Illuvial that dies fast?

[humble gorge]

nah, thought that may be the issue, i've been putting it on my tankiest units ot make sure they stay up

[edgy flower]

i mean i proc your indomitable and then umbra vs umbra anyway lose, like wtf D:

[vivid stirrup]

yeah the umbre vs umbre 1on1 has some weird interactions. seems like it's a coinflip who has the better omega cast timing

[worn tree]

Its super unhealthy for the player experience

[edgy flower]

i proc it on 5 sec of round by vokers, then anyway lose somehow when we 1 vs 1

[vivid stirrup]

got a recording of it?

[past island]

Hello, how to get the second shock affinity? I pick Ophisto, another Illuvials dont give it

[raven obsidian]

bond your ranger with a specific illuvial. e.g. if you have fire weapon and bond with air illuvial you will get shock

gg @formal crown

[formal crown]

tournament??

[worn tree]

Disgusting meta with umbre

[raven obsidian]

must be boring playing same deck every game 🥱

[edgy bough]

Stay tuned

[hearty yew]

Every fucking noob can win with umbre. Its a shit show

[civic grotto]

For real. fuck empath blazenite teams

[hearty yew]

yeah boring to play against... but Scoriox shows them the door 🙂

[civic grotto]

not anymore

they nerfed it a lot.

[raven obsidian]

gg @vernal forum almost had you.

[worn tree]

Umbre is invincible right now. Not even scoriox

[stray gull]

There is a broader balance patch in the works

Just as an fyi, we're hearing the feedback.

[lament frigate]

Couldn't agree more, where the hack is the next patch?!

[raven obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-hey-bro-fist-bumb-gif-16262296206650437916

[lament frigate]

How was that overlooked in the last one ... not understandable ... for me personally.

[bronze canopy]

nobody played harbinger umbre

so nobody complained about them

so no fix

just imagine how many broken comps are undiscovered still

since people just copy decks instead of building them

[lament frigate]

Fair enough!

[dark vine]

meanwhile several high performing decks have umbre in their deck but barely use it because it is only needed to break stuff like empath...
Several people also gave the feedback that it is fine and things needs to be figured out (umbre already kinda countered).
That beeing said maybe there is stuff like slashin that could use a buff but all in all meta changes every day atm

[wheat sable]

Sorry mate wow

[fleet crest]

is there a 3rd party site that has a good team builder app?

[edgy bough]

Illuvidata has a team builder platform

[fleet crest]

thanks I will check it out.

[vivid stirrup]

found something for ya 😉
https://youtu.be/5TYvdIMnNdc?si=fuDYm5TZQXpAQ52L

[rain zinc]

Thanks Nick 🙂

[worn tree]

Thank you man. Make me smile again plz

[worn tree]

MY MAN ❤️

[smoky python]

Lol you people are hilarious

[fallen vortex]

you people. Whats that supposed to mean, its hate speech

[dark vine]

After seeing Illuvination losing 50 points against an equally high rated opponent on diamond, I just hope only accounts with more than 100 games are eligible for rewards... these accounts that just have like 10:1 shouldn't count. Tbh we are only one step away from rating manipulation with this (Pretty sure people will do that in the future as well..)

[smoky python]

Yah people like Illuvination with 10 accounts trying to get one of them to be high ranking is definitely a problem

[bronze spire]

100 games minimum or something like that is for sure a needed solution if there are rewards

[bronze spire]

he probably didnt do it intentionally. I know I have a third account for extra team builder slots (i have like more than 10 linked in all my descriptions) but my main is my highest

vipers 3rd alt is higher than his main too. But again dont know if he did it intentionally

[hearty yew]

Why is Dualeph sometimes changing his targets after takedown and sometimes not?

[turbid osprey]

He changes only if the next closest in within range

[hearty yew]

so like 20/30 grids?

thank you! makes sense!

[smoky python]

Its really not done well though

Sometimes it feels like it should switch targets and it doesnt

So dont 100% count on it

[hearty yew]

okay

1 game he takes down a whole team, next he kills a 25 mp and thats it ^^

[bronze spire]

it is also bugged some times. Will target a previously dead illuvial

[hearty yew]

yeah should be A) constant B) written down in the description ^^

[hearty yew]

Thanks a lot for your latest video!
I learnt a lot! Now it makes fun again 😁 👍

[formal crown]

@hearty yew so how the omega works is it targets the farthest away illuvial and will shoot its beam at other illuvials that are in its way until it gets to the illuvial it was originally targeted to if that illuvial is then killed, it will keep shooting its beam at that location until the omega wears off or until another illuvial walks its the beams path

[bronze spire]

glad it helped! I actually think umbre is falling out of meta now people have it worked out

[bronze spire]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxkpqi1R99L-vB2juUddhb-Q3jNKDF57wI?si=JO7AO5OGGhHgZRNw

There is also this bug though, different to the unfortunate targetting

(second omega)

[formal crown]

oh ya you are right luckily that hasn't happened to me yet

ya lol 😭 has that happened to you yet smart?

same here luckily

[bronze spire]

it possibly happens more than you think, often looks like his just killed something already low and didnt re-target. It happened in last weekends comp while I was watching. Casters noticed it, not sure the players did

[sacred finch]

I believe the lifesteal augment is the problem, it's like having an extra augment on your carrier without using the slot, maybe if the buff ends when the illuvial with the augment dies could be better

[humble gorge]

idk who Style is, but GGs that was a grind

[serene lance]

being in que for less than 30 seconds and getting put against someone 500 lp lower than you is such a stitch up, nothing to gain and lots to lose

[coarse echo]

tbh, I quite like the idea of something along these lines. I'll make sure it's discussed.

[thick rune]

is there a place where we can ee how many games we played?

[serene lance]

Is thorns supposed to crit?

[west quartz]

make it a thousand

[west quartz]

gg 🙂

[jagged summit]

Illuvialmasters added it recently i believe on their site

[thick rune]

cool thx

Oh it says no data but ive played ALOT of games lol

oh wait nvm wrong username

I SUCK

[hearty yew]

thanks for the answer! Makes sense this way!!

[reef basalt]

17 win streak says otherwise

[worldly jolt]

lol you should see my ratio. No dont.

[thick rune]

i cant pass gold 3.....

[grand bluff]

I've had my games stuck on waiting for opponent for a few matches now. Anyone experiencing the same thing?

[wicked cloak]

ive played the same person the last 5 games and they are 300 elo below me

[grand bluff]

Phew just win against an Umbre Invoker without an Umbre mirror using Arcanites 🙂

Feels good

[west plume]

Umbre

[hollow orbit]

Are there any problems with Siphon Matrix? It may not slow down the enemy's attack. I do not know the conditions.

My Cardulox is equipped with Siphon Matrix, but the enemy's Titanor still has an attack speed of 60 after 9 seconds, even though they have been adjacent to each other since about 2 seconds into the battle.

On the other hand, in this image, the enemy Ranger and Flare were successfully slowed down.
Siphon Matrix is an important augment, so please let me know the exact specs.

[grand bluff]

Is the game having problems right now? I've been stuck at "Waiting for Opponent" for >5x now.

And I have to restart game to reconnect and see the next phase.

Won another game against Umbre Invoker again with Arcanite B-)

[grand bluff]

Might be a bug, it should work at that distance.

[winter dagger]

@fallen vortex GG nice deck!

[lunar pebble]

where I can see this stat?

[worn thicket]

Hey everyone!

https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-boombaby-i'mback-gif-117677590699355548

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/vader-darth-gif-13326488

[worldly jolt]

illuvialmaster website

[fallen vortex]

Thank you

[dusk shell]

How can i calculate understand how this augment works ?When it talks about energy cost, of wich cost it refers to ? If i assign it to an illuvial it lasts for 1 round and then i can re assign it or is it a single shot augment ? If i reassign it, it cost his price ( 20 ) every time ? thanks for help

[worn thicket]

btw if you are like me tired of having to juggle with only 5 teams... please go upvote there #1184441194139369553 message

[worn thicket]

additionally to what Sm4rt-Ass already said you can go to illuvialmaster.com/illuvials to know the starting energy and full energy each illuvial needs to cast it's Omega. So that Augment on Umbre will give you 20% of the 140 = 28

[vivid stirrup]

having alt accounts is a common practise in most games. win-trading, multiple submissions for rewards and things like that on the other hand have to be prevented or deterred. minimum matches played required to qualify for leaderboard incentives is a good idea, although the people who have been successful exploiting illuviums eco system so far, will surely find a way to do it here again. once the player base grows, most of these problems will more or less flatten out.

[dusk shell]

ty

[vivid stirrup]

that's a great idea! 💪

[bronze spire]

Yea 100%. It’s also common in league to start a new account if your mmr is all screwed up making it impossible to climb without doing 1000 games

[worn thicket]

normal with the actual MMR system if you smurf you're 2k in 6-7 games, but climbing the main rewards 6-7 because most people at 1900+ are just elo sitting

[bronze spire]

Yea exactly

[vivid stirrup]

100%! if you are not very disciplined in your ranked play style, or just play hundreds of matches, you will up being hard stuck at some point. so then when you would like to try hard and see how your skill has progressed compared to last month - you won't get anywhere because the past match history is holding down your rating changes. to try and climb 100 rating with +4 rating change per game is torture

[worn thicket]

hopefully that changes quickly because it really doesn't encourage playing xD

[vivid stirrup]

i always enjoyed games like wow-arena or bloodline champions where you could create your arena team and have a fresh ranked start when you wanted to. gave more freedom to try out funny and off meta stuff on the ladder without being punished for it for the next 4 months until the season is ending

[lilac grail]

The minimum games required to validate an account make no sense to me.
I can make farm scholar into it until reach 1000 game. and then playing it to reach top..
It will be longer. but less longer than making it 1000 game / account..

scholar or any kind of friend account or anything that have play time on it

waiting to see the solutions that the team bring to counter it..

[worn thicket]

on the other hand it would look bad if the top50 players have 100 accounts of 10games each in the Top 5k.

[smoky python]

If you want to qualify for rewards then KYC

[lilac grail]

totally agree. just saying that number of games just "reduce" this effect. but not a solution..

[worn thicket]

because let's not lie, the top50 IS way ahead of everyone else and just stomps anytime they want

[lilac grail]

I would agree on this. Dunno what are IMX Passport / if there are way to KYC easily. but not against .. (I'm not a crypto native, but I know that is not liked by much).

[worn thicket]

I agree with this. but in Crypto spaces asking for KYC is always tricky. Not even mentionning the fact that Illuvium already got data leaks issues

[smoky python]

lol let the crypto babies cry. If they dont want to KYC they dont have to. They just get no rewards

[lilac grail]

The way that Swissborg tournamenent went is a kind of KYC but in charge of the CEX isn't it ?.
Dunno what swissborg require as info to authorize account and transaction on it. (As i'm an user of it anyway).

[worn thicket]

not sure that's how it works in this DAO xD

[smoky python]

Yah I dont know the requirements since I am american and banned anyways

[worn thicket]

phone number is the way they KYC iirc

• a quick trivia asking questions about where does the money you'll invest come from

[lilac grail]

I think I had to give some bill to validate my account until a certain amount. Don't remember exactly the process. but anyway. with really low reward at a top 5k placement. Not sure it would filter this anyway.

[vivid stirrup]

i don't think they did it for safety reasons tho. this was more marketing than anything else, buying 100 kyc from the perfect target audience is worth $4000 to them.

[languid sparrow]

As you can find at illuvihub illuviary and on the right you will find filters.
Select Energy in the list, it's the Energy cost of the illuvials to cast it's Omega. You can use filters for tiers and stages as well which make it more dynamic for your research.

So according to the Fusion ignitor augment, equation is Omega cost * 20 % = X dmg.
Exemple of Pterodactyl line.

[vivid stirrup]

i'm not sure if illuvium labs would want to have thousands of kyc's on file as a gaming studio. a lot of risk, workload and also potential problems with the ESRB ratings

[worn thicket]

that's not how it works xD they did KYC because Europe, CH and most western countries enforce their citizens to KYC if they use an exchange platform (which Swissborg is). And since Swissborg... is Swiss... they obviously just KYC every new account

[vivid stirrup]

europe, ch and most western countries don't enforce anyone to register on an investment app and do a kyc if you want to play a gaming tournament. that is just the selling point for them to sponsor the 4000$

[sacred finch]

just make the mmr system in a way that you need to be way higher to start struggling to gain points, then you need to play more games and not just make a 10 win streak in a new account

[worn thicket]

Ok you don't get it. YES, the reason why Swissborg gave money for the tournament is because the data they'll use to verify the success of their marketing campaign is User acquisition.

So they paid for user acquisition, on this we agree. And the deal between Xborg and Swissborg was probably something like:
I give the 4k, you organize the tour, but users have to register in our app and we pay through the app. (because user acquisition and easier logistics)

Because Swissborg is a financial app they have to ask for KYC to every new user. That's not an option. Xborg technically never asked anyone to KYC and doesn't even have access to that data. They just had a deal with a sponsor. That's how esports works anyways.

[smoky python]

Thats how the system works but our lack of players is the problem in making it work

[vivid stirrup]

thanks for the info linky!! you always coming in clutch with the help, and share your huge illuvium knowledge with the community! kudos to you

[languid sparrow]

Thanks Paz, I appreciate it

[vivid stirrup]

so we agree! I'm glad to see! thanks for your input 🤝

[vivid stirrup]

we appreciate you! i can talk for the community here. nothing but constructive and positive things coming from you! adding true value to the community and dao needs to be recognized!

[languid sparrow]

Let's see what you can do at the community council, I hope you understand the opportunity you have from beeing selected from the community. I'm sure good things will come from you. Keep up the good work!

[vivid stirrup]

yeah at first i was a bit stressed to live up to the expectations, especially in the new work environment. but now after some acclimatisation im very positive about all the things i can achieve for the community side by side with my fellow council members 💪

[acoustic sigil]

healing reduction has still NO affect! used 70% + 36% and umbre heald almost to max everytime on cast.... this is not suposed to work like this

[vivid stirrup]

pretty sure they get applied after each other. so 50% and 50% wouldn't be 100% but 75%. if you know what i mean.

it similar with dmg reduction. first the flat dmg reduction happens, then the percental

[acoustic sigil]

what ever still looks like those augments are buged jsut like 1000 other thigs in this game. I know still beta but it s so wired

[lilac grail]

So which one is applied first ? Augment that reduce on crit or augment that reduce healing ?.
Grit & physical resistance are 2 separate stats. not sure it apply the same way.

[lilac grail]

How did you apply the -70% ? Did you check that the crit was done, and that the time (6 sec ?) wasn't pass ?

[vivid stirrup]

yeah there is quite a difference between the two examples i agree. trying to get better confirmation on this asap

[lilac grail]

Toxic poison reduce heal at max stack. and i'm sure I already got my umbre heal for near 0.

[vivid stirrup]

the last data i saw about toxic was: reduces the ability to heal for x seconds when toxic has reached max stats

[lilac grail]

If after thoses confirmation you see it's still not working. just report it in bug section.
It's a beta and it is exactly for testing ..

[vivid stirrup]

i am guessing they get applied by what ever happens first, and if they happen at the same time the bigger debuff is applied first

[lilac grail]

Yeah but conditions effect are really hided in the game atm... data come from illuvial master.
What i knew is that conditions are removed when reached max stack with an unique effect.
But did you already saw a poison damage begin again to 0 ? and stack up again ?

Didn't analyse this deep. maybe it's the case.

[vivid stirrup]

yeah poison is the stacking debuff that stands out fom the others. it doesnt have a trigger effect at full stacks so it makes no sense to start restacking it, but that would mean the healing debuff just happens once, for 3 seconds i believe, per fight. which sounds underwhelming

[worn thicket]

@dull wind you can't let your Umbre opponent get the Steam Augment like that mate ❤️

GG

[worn thicket]

there are not that many game-breaking bugs at this state. If the Umbre like you said healed back to full it's just that it was doing too much damage. Which is kinda symptomatic of Umbre after a long fight or when paired with Harbinger

i'd highly advice you to try to understand how things work before pretending they don't

[dull wind]

gg

[acoustic sigil]

idk it s seems like once works once not...playef 4 Toxic + heal redu augments and umbre still heals to max

[lilac grail]

Yeah but all depend when it proc. Because the toxic full charged is only during x seconds.
Same for the reduction on crit. it's during x second.
So if umbre just cast between thoses reduction. you know the result..

[cyan olive]

I made that account on stream, to not bully people when I play meta on 2nd testing account, while being tired and obv not wanting to throw main account rating away for the sake of streaming few more hours.

People trying to throw w.e. negative ideas at me or others for creating high quality content seems weird (not trying to point at the above comment, but didn´t want to bother reading 100s of messages)
Having more than 1 account is rather normal for any content creation purpose you can think off.

It should be very obv My Goal is creating content, streaming, educating others, I don´t care about any of these social measuring contests or whatever else might be going on in the end, I wanna do my part of streaming, youtube, social media to help Illuvium succeed, I suggest everyone else focuses on that as well.

[bronze spire]

yea thats why im suggesting its not intentional

[cyan olive]

all good, was just the one message I saw in that thread to reply to

like I said I don´t assume any ill intentions from you

[bronze spire]

yea haha I think im the only one defending you

but the discussion was more around needing some rules for leaderboard rewards when they come

[cyan olive]

I am happy to explain to people how valuable and normal having more than 1 account for streaming/content purposes is.
On the word leaderboards, I´d suggest to wait until you know more than just a mention of the word once, to everyone.

[bronze spire]

didnt they say there will be leaderboard rewards?

at some point

[bronze spire]

no one is disputing having more than 1 account

its creating a new account and only having to win 8-10 games in a row to diamond. No one cares now but if that is still an option by the time rewards/leaderboard is out than it needs to be addressed

[cyan olive]

That is a very much known concern.

[cyan olive]

idk what was talked about, in my case I´d only take rewards for 1 account certainly, but being Rank 1,2,3 at the same time or so would be good content and good and fun goal e.g.
I used to grind for Rank 1 on more than 1 server in HS regularly as well for stream content, as playing ladder with no difficult goal was boring to watch.

[worn thicket]

#VipyNeverRank1Illuvium

@smoky python and @opaque cape will be the gatekeepers

[bronze spire]

yea and you named them all viper so its not like you are trying to hide anything. Not your fault a smurf is currently easier to climb than an older account. It was only brought up because I get asked why the person in my latest video lost so much. I have to answer and than in turn have to defend saying its normal, common and not intentional in most cases. Than the convo goes to it needing to be adress if rewards come out

[still sand]

gm brosss

[cyan olive]

Makes sense, would be great if more players would be 2k+, so difference of new account winstreak to top X would be bigger.

[bronze spire]

yea once player base is larger + more time it will be a non issue

[smoky python]

Yup we are just missing the playerbase part. I dont think there is anything inherently wrong with the ELO system we use

[bronze spire]

yea pretty sure they are just using the same as TFT and league ect. It not a new system

[lilac grail]

Well 2 day a row a 21xx game didn't found after more than 30 min. with reseting the search because otherwise you get matched against the nearest elo available (Was 1k7 in my case). We miss players..

[vernal forum]

Just to add to conversation - right now it makes no sense for me to play at higher elo. Games take way too long to grab - sometimes in excess of the time it takes to play a game. Then, if game is won - little to no reward, but if lost makes me want to just not play. So, I play on lower elo account. Much more fun.

[smoky python]

TFT gives you a minimum amount of mmr for a top 4 finish.
Right now ILV you can get +0

[bronze spire]

yea good point

[cyan olive]

yeah, makes sense, same reason I don´t stream 2150+ accounts atm

[vernal forum]

You'd be talking more than playing atm.

[cyan olive]

that´s wrong you can get minus mmr for a 4th, the visual only shows +10 on the front end and if you go 5th you lose more so that shown and hidden number are same, ILV atm only has hidden number=shown number I assume

[cyan olive]

yep

[smoky python]

Ok so you get +10 LP and you can lose internal MMR

Unless theyve changed things since ive played

[cyan olive]

yeah, which is a relevant difference

[smoky python]

Which is entirely possible

k

[cyan olive]

that system makes it so if you never bot 4, you can keep climbing under any circumstance, if you bot 4 you get enourmus minus though

it might be ILV using same system tbh, just not the different front end

[smoky python]

As far as I know, we dont have hidden mmr

One of the devs can enlighten though

[cyan olive]

yeah, I meant that the algo giving plus minus could be same even for hidden mmr tft and shown=hidden ILV

in other autobattler like HS-Battlegrounds getting minus points for a 3rd when you are top3ish leaderboard is a common thing (unless they changed in last year when I stopped following)

Even in 1v1 games with millions of playbase situations like 1 lose= 3 wins is somewhat normal if you are top 10ish and play vs e.g. rank 80-100, depending on hidden mmr, as those are rarely shown

[smoky python]

Yes I understand how rankings work. I used to get negative points for 2nds/8.

[worn thicket]

minimal MMR for 4th is +-0 in TFT

[smoky python]

Ah ok. Thought it was +10

[worn thicket]

was implemented since they made the 10 minimum LP change

MMR =/= LP/Elo

[smoky python]

ya ya i realized after i typed it lol

Everyone should just use the same term

ELO and Hidden ELO

[worn thicket]

well they do different things

MMR is used for Matchmaking and Elo is a reward based on MMR

[smoky python]

Too old to remember all the terms

Will have to ask @coarse echo if there is a hidden system in place

He loves when I tag him and force him to answer questions in Arena Chat

[worn thicket]

yes please @coarse echo

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-i-summon-you-to-fulfill-your-oath-gif-15974785

[lunar pebble]

what link can we check the MMR for arena?

MMR leaderboard for ascendental

[smoky python]

Currently none

[lunar pebble]

ah okay. ty

[winter marlin]

I asked if only official cards can be used in the arena.d

[woven flint]

what do you mean by official ???
you want to create your own illuvial and use it ?

[winter marlin]

yes

How to evolve illuvitar? stage1 change to 2 -> 3 in a game?

[supple cave]

on the overworld?

[worn thicket]

Illuvitars are just Profile pictures, they don't evolve

[supple cave]

i think he meant an illuvial

[winter marlin]

yes

[winter marlin]

i see,but illuvial how to evolve

[winter marlin]

I think I misunderstood and made a mistake. Can the survival mode in arena only use officially provided cards?

[worn thicket]

yes

[manic musk]

Is that ranking points doing it right? Every victory I get just a few points while my opponent aways looses a way more points

[supple cave]

it's one of the first five matches of that opponent

[languid sparrow]

Illuvials and illuvitar are 2 completely different think.

Illuvials are captured in Illuvium Overworld than they can be used when the blockchain will be integrated to the Illuvium games to form the Illuvium Universe.

[manic musk]

Oh ok thanks

[languid sparrow]

Have a read in our guide at illuvihub

[oak sigil]

what's the difference between taunt and stun? A short explanation please

[bronze canopy]

stun - immobalizes. Taunt-just attracts the attention of nearby illuvials (their basic attacks)

[bleak escarp]

Taunt also cancels Omega 👀

[oak sigil]

So, taunt is good for tank illuvials, they attract the attackers while my attackers do their job, would that be a correct strategy

[bleak escarp]

rip Seeforus

[bronze canopy]

taunt is a versatile mechanic you can use it in many different ways

imaigne putting the taunt augement on a rogue and jumpin in the middle of empaths

https://tenor.com/view/chirsfarley-shocked-what-huh-omg-gif-6963624868839649661

[oak sigil]

that s a dream come true

[fair hemlock]

or rogue on a colossus illuvial

[bronze canopy]

rogue titanor is based

[fair hemlock]

I'd like to see it happen

oh bah that's just mean

[bleak escarp]

Sensitive topic, but let's talk about positioning... I would much prefer for my rogues to squeeze in between two enemy illuvials than being push to outside of two or three illuvials. When opponent backs into corner. What's the point of rogues?

[worn thicket]

yeah for whatever reason you can't cast your ability while taunted... I really don't like that part... we already have Silence, charm and Stun to cancel omegas... Taunt should literally just be taunt.

[bleak escarp]

Yeah, but I dont think that also means stop everything.

[wheat sable]

nice broken setup mate

taunted your rogue and kept attacking my other champs

@raven obsidian

[raven obsidian]

cheers mate, not quite broken i dont think, could do with some tweaks.

[wheat sable]

what augments did you add in last round as my damage suddenly dropped a lot

[raven obsidian]

i believe i used siphon matrix to reduce your energy

and quantum nullifier so you have less resistances against my attacks

[wheat sable]

so awfull when my titanor does not do his stun attack

so strange

HOW does this stack??? Enemy gain X percent less energy?

These augments really need to be revised

[west plume]

Get gud ser

[wheat sable]

Trying 🙂 but games makes me hard

[west plume]

that sentence needs an edit

[wheat sable]

you can edit it :p

[west plume]

What are you playing?

[wheat sable]

Collosus/Psion

get rekt at beginning, then I manage to counter, get rekt at the end

that is in short many of my games

[west plume]

have you watched Illuvination or Vipers youtube videos? there is one more that has some good content will check

[wheat sable]

need to see stuff about countering augments because the energy nerf one does do pain to my strategy

[raven obsidian]

Is there something in the works that allows us to see opponents teams before a game? So that we can choose appropriate teams to battle against. Could be a bidding round for your team, just like legendary augment bidding

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/clever-jim-carrey-thumbs-up-gif-12492937630785394157

[zealous sequoia]

Does anyone know if I will lose ELO if I leave a game that is stuck?

[bleak escarp]

I sure did just now

[zealous sequoia]

aaaw 😦

I also got stuck just know. Maybe its a server thingy

[bleak escarp]

Yeah, early access problems.

[zealous sequoia]

too bad on the points tho... I guess its some comfort that my opponent will lose some too 😈

[supple cave]

what taunt augment?

[bronze canopy]

legendary one wih\th thorns

[bleak escarp]

Successfully bidding on legendary augment.

[supple cave]

ah yeah, ok

[west plume]

you can reconnect

[keen moth]

I've been curious about this as well. Do they add together or multiply?

[zealous sequoia]

Really? How? I left, queued up again and found a new match. How should I do to reconnect?

[supple cave]

If it didnt give you the option to reconnect, it was probably the last round of the previous battle

[zealous sequoia]

You mean that the round was played on the server but not shown to me? That seems reasonable

[supple cave]

yeah, i think that happens

[worn tree]

Any plans on fixing Umbre meta? I really would love it to come quick. Every game is the same now 😭

[fair hemlock]

Just win from it. Whats so hard? 👀

[worn tree]

Its boring man, every matchup is the same

[fair hemlock]

Probably takes 5 consecutive losses for people to realise it isnt fool proof. So just keep up stomping them!

[worn tree]

W/e, really hating the current meta man. Not healthy noooopeeee

[smoky python]

You also have no idea what you're doing though

[bleak escarp]

I'm not scared of Umbre at all, bring em on

It's that damn Dualph that keeps me up at night, 🤣

[tall maple]

Why is it that my synergies sometimes do not register? For example, I put up three nature bulawarks and end up with 2 nature, 2 bulwark.

[acoustic sigil]

hardcore fps drop when board is full ? anyone else too? with 3060 Ti and Ryzen 9 xD

[crisp stratus]

posting for posterity in case my experimental omega power titanor build takes over the meta!

[supple cave]

no one plays casual to try stuff? 24 minutes waiting lol

anyone wants some custom matches?

[azure wigeon]

Yeah. Please dont nerf umbre. It bring balance to the team. Except empath

[azure wigeon]

Just kill the hyper?

[azure wigeon]

Yeah please. Make it impossible to meet too much elo gap. Would rather meet one enemy multiple times in the same elo.

[bronze spire]

yea agreed

[stuck siren]

Umbre needs to be fixed, and toxic nerfed 🙂

their friend hedgehog too

[west quartz]

toxic is strong early, kinda useless late game, why would it need to be nerfed ?

[stuck siren]

probably because i play quick nature lol

and all i see at the end is people starting with toxic, followed by umbre/hedgehog

is there an augment to tackle toxic?

[stuck siren]

thanks, will try that tomorrow

theres still a UI problem though - hard to tell when someone is infected by toxic

there's even no explanation of toxic

all i see is 2 toxics showing up on stage 1-2 and wiping my team out for no apparent reason

[jagged summit]

it's a cheap combo ez to get out on first rounds and take advantage of for sure. idk if i would say it carries teams in later rounds though or if building around it is the important part

[woven flint]

agree the UI should show the unit infected in green for exemple

[stuck siren]

It seems like they block healing for my entire team

[grand bluff]

Anyone experiencing the "Timeout" messages on the right screen?

And then stuck on Waiting for opponent?

[fallen vortex]

At max stacks it prevents healing. It does pure damage, It also heals the person who infected u if your illuvial goes down

[grand bluff]

@ebon aspen Are you experiencing connection problems as well?

[ebon aspen]

yes heavy

[grand bluff]

Happens to you a lot? Cause it's been happening to me since yesterday >.<

[ebon aspen]

10 to 15 % of the time issues

[grand bluff]

I think for me it's more than 50% matches I experience at least 2 disconnects.

[ebon aspen]

nice deck btw

[grand bluff]

Thanks!

[silver phoenix]

samee

[zenith bough]

You can hit me up if you have stuff to try. 🙂

[fallen vortex]

Mobas are very easy to pickup and play, Ive never agreed with people saying they r difficult, but maybe thats just me

[cyan olive]

High single target damage like a bunch of dokas can beat the toxic plays on turn 1, but due to the % health damage you are on a „timer“ to kill them quickly so tanky openings are weak into it.
If you can’t beat it anyways, can skip turn 1 and position better turn 2 as well as not giving away what you play/how you position turn 1.

[fair hemlock]

I've played Moba's for over 10K hours, and always hate when i go into a new/different one. There are like 100 units that you don't know anything about, and you get killed before you realise it. you can very easily lane against creeps, but you just get stomped for the first 50 games when matched against any player who has a clue of what they are doing.

[fallen vortex]

I've never seen knowledge of existing characters to really be a hurdle. U can figure them out pretty fast even if you've never seen them before. I do remember the good ol days where figuring out what items to buy tripped up newer players.

[worn thicket]

it's all relative. depends on your expectations and effort when you play.

a complete casual can just be like whatever you kinda figure it out. But people more competitive who are used to an established meta and know counterpicks, how to itemize depending on the matchup etc. usually don't like jumping in a fresh new Moba

because past bronze or silver (which is dog trash elo) there is a lot of knowledge to process and assimilate

the same can be said for illuvium though you can probably just put a bunch of water or fire and be happy being bronze/silver

game actually just starts to get harder at higher ranks and i feel like you can even reach 1800+ without much knowledge on the game, counter augment picks etc... just because of how much the deck and the flowchart already do for u

[fallen vortex]

Yeah basically. Moba has the unique situation where Ur team can hard carry u.

[hot pond]

The augments with nearest allies are going to the allies which were at that position before the fight starts or does it change during the fight? So if my rogue jumps over, is it still considered the nearest ally or will it shift to another illuvial?

[worn thicket]

yes at combat start. same applies for augments like the fortifiers who give grit and resolve on combat start in a medium area

[hot pond]

Ahh I thought this stuff changes during the fights. Good to know then

[worn thicket]

it's important to always read the condition of the augments. if it says on battle start, then you can consider that it applies when you press play

the condition is basically what makes that pretty much nobody uses this augment even though effect is pretty good

[hot pond]

And does the augment effect end if an illuvial dies that carried it

[worn thicket]

again depends on the condition. a legendary augment that has no condition and says: enemies in an Area have X debuff applied -> yes

something on battle start like fortifier or vamp: no

[lilac grail]

every 4 seconds: your team gains 8 energy --> no / yes ?

[worn thicket]

effect is applied on battle start and doesn't matter anymore

[hot pond]

So the battle start ones basically go from start to end of battle no matter which illuvial is alive or dead

[lilac grail]

do you have illuvial dead at the start 😮 ?

[worn thicket]

my guess is: if holder dies, it will stop giving the energy. because you need the augment to be "alive" for it to ask the game to do it

[hot pond]

No, I mean if illuvials are dead during the fight

[lilac grail]

it's not anymore in the battle start so.

[worn thicket]

new legendary augment: on battle start reduce a random enemy illuvial's HP to 0. costs 100MP

[hot pond]

There are so many little details that you can’t just know out of blue right? Hopefully it will be well described going forward

[lilac grail]

The quantum nullifier just remove resistance and then do nothing more.
The Parasitic link give your nearly allies Omnivamp. (the buff is one shot at the start too. but applied on your unit. so it stay all fight long).

[lilac grail]

RNG

[worn thicket]

it's kinda like in TCGs, conditions and wordings are important

you need to understand those correctly and then work with it

[lilac grail]

The higher MAX Hp enemy unit would be better.

[worn thicket]

talking of wording.... @coarse echo can we have hexes over "area size" on the cards please? 26Hex radius or 35 makes quite a difference xD

[worn thicket]

nah RNG makes it fun 🤡

[hot pond]

Yes but where would you know that nearest allies mean only during battle start and not dynamically changing

[lilac grail]

long time no see the clown. isn't it banned from the discord ?

[worn thicket]

because the card says: "on battle start: give the X effect to the 2 nearest allies"

[worn thicket]

it's forbidden to use it below other users posts to avoid bullying. they won't time out me for using the clown emoji on my own message to signal i'm trolling

[hot pond]

So the quantum nullifier basically sucks as on battle start you won’t have that many enemies in medium area around you?

[worn thicket]

and if your opponent sees it as an issue he can just put his frontline a bit away from the front and avoid that augment

just move back your frontline and problem solved

only comps that can effectively take advantage of this augment are Rogue comps who most of the time just have better augment options anyways

[hot pond]

So if you put that nullifier on a rogue, it counts as battle start that it jumps over and the augment effect takes place on the enemy illuvials of the back?

[worn thicket]

yes

[hot pond]

But this also means that your rogues benefit from being a nearby ally at battle start?

[worn thicket]

also yes

here's the thing about Illuvium: nothing happens "EXACTLY" at the same time. it's all about tics that give priority on certain actions. (there's like idk 100tics/second or something like that) so i'd assume they made their priorities such that a rogue can apply that to the backline otherwise that augment is just completely useless and needs a rework

didn't check the numbers myself to see if it applies or not

[safe valve]

You sure about that?

That would mean rogues jump before battlestart 😂
Sounds weird

[still sand]

is there a way to control the drone in game?

[safe valve]

I think it's ctrl + click

[worn thicket]

it's all on the tics. "on battle start" could mean 100 instances, each one happening with their own timing of what's supposed to happen "on battle start". You can very well have a situation where vamp applies, rogue jumps and then nullifier applies. all at combat start but technically separated by 1ms from each other

[worn thicket]

ctrl + right click*

[still sand]

ctrl + right click, thanks mate!

[safe valve]

I know what you are saying, just never thought battlestart is multiple tics long

[worn thicket]

nothing in Illuvium happens at the exact same time. so battle start MUST be multiple tics long otherwise it couldn't handle more than 1 "on battle start" augment

[safe valve]

Didn't know that either

Are you sure about all that Stuff or just assuming cause it sounds logical to you? 😄

[worn thicket]

so the tics is real i didn't make it up, that's just how the code works. Try putting ranger vs ranger with no armor no weapon on both sides and you'll very easily see that their shots are not exactly coordinated and one of them will always win, no draw.

[supple cave]

I think those augments "on battle start" that affect an area work before the rogues jump to the back.

[worn thicket]

and that's also the explanation on why Colossus Taunts feel random. because they are. they randomly are assigned an order of priority each round.

the ORDER of priority at which the augments apply on battle start though, like i said earlier is assumption of mine that it would make sense in a game with rogues to make an order like: ally area bonus > Self bonus (including blink) > enemy debuff

and like i said i didn't crunch the numbers to see if it works exactly like that the prioritization, but if it's like the taunts, just random then sometimes it will apply before blink sometimes after and that would be a bit messy. it's possible but if so i bet they're already working on it.

[supple cave]

revenant needs work urgently also. the little 5 second shield "on takedown" only is terrible, especially for a unit like the ant eater that doesn't even do a lot of damage, just a veeery slow aoe. maybe they should give a smaller shield on omega cast

[worn thicket]

yeah revenant was too strong in PB" and looks like it's a bit underperforming now. but i think it's kinda symptomatic of all those units missing as well.
right now a lot of traits ask you to bond the ranger to be activated and that alone makes them not worth it

[halcyon nova]

Im late to this discussion so my question probably is not even relevant but I will ask my question . If you win the ledgendary augment round do you need to use it the next round cuz i tend to forget then it seems like its not there the following round ?

[worn thicket]

it stays in your deck until you use it, no need to rush

[worn tree]

Umbre nerf proposal:

Umbre is a main piece of the meta because of its high damage endless range input and high survivability. Enemies retargeting every time he ults allows for the player to play the entire comp around umbre and make him an unbeatable solo carry. This is my opinion but I am 100% sure that statistical data would make it a fact. Umbre makes the meta unhealthy at its current state.

How to put it down?

-Make the ultimate to limited range targeting (25 hexes aprox). This only make sense as he is melee, with the benefit stats that melee illuvials have. Thus it makes no sense that he can OS my ranged carries right at the opposite side of the board.
-Change the "untargetable" by "80% damage reduction". So that while he becomes shadows, he is much difficult to damage but at least it allows your team to keep on focusing the high priority target he is.

There is also a big problem with Harbingers. The 100 OP is not scalable with higher Illuvial pool. I am sure the team will have to reduce the amount of OP provided by Harbingers deathrattle.

@proven ember @stray gull

[halcyon nova]

hmmm couldnt find the metior shower .......for sure I won it

never mind I check again tomorrow

[worn thicket]

i think all it needs is a formula change. make it like Phosphorus formula. instead of (Attack dmg + X)*OP

make it X*OP + Attack damage

right now Umbre is effectively just taking way too much benefit from OP and AD scaling

[worn tree]

That is not sufficient imo. The issue is not the damage output itself. It's is survivability pack and unlimited range

[halcyon nova]

Poor devs I win with my fire team then they buff the water team now the water team strong

[worn thicket]

i think you don't realize how big of a nerf i'm proposing xD

range is 3 closest units, if you have 3 or less units yeah it will hit everyone...

it's also a 90MP unit it's is meant to be strong

[worn tree]

I think that nerf is much worse than what I am proposing game design wise. As I said, damage output is not the issue. Umbre is supposed to have high damage output. What it's insane is his ability to avoid targetting.

[worn tree]

I know, but what if there are only 2 tanks left and one ranged carry? Does it make sense the carry dies to a melee rogue when being at 50 hexes? NO.

[worn thicket]

yeah you can nerf that by giving it more energy for example, but i really think the untargetable is what makes the unit unique and shouldn't be removed imo

it vanishes to hit other stuff, therefore it's untargetable for that duration... idk makes sense to me

[worn tree]

That too, like 1.5x-2x the cost.

[worn thicket]

yes it does

that's what it's supposed to do

[worn tree]

The mana nerf and range limitation is important

[worn tree]

Not really lol!

[worn thicket]

Umbre is designed to be an executioner kind of unit that can't stay locked on tanks

that's it's entire purpose

[worn tree]

Ofc, but not being locked on tanks doesnt mean he can kill enemies 50 hex away like a ranged invoker. Wake up dude

[worn thicket]

😂

i'd suggest you talk better to me if you want to learn and stop complaining about things without seeing the real issue

you're asking for a complete overhaul for a unit who's only issue is it taking too much benefit from it's Omega Power scaling just because you're salty that you lose.

[worn tree]

Hahahahaha, good boy

[smoky python]

Welcome to nyierxz

[cyan olive]

I like the way you think, interesting approach.

[worn thicket]

"issue is not the damage "

just heals back everything all the time and does all solo

but then comes skill

[supple cave]

something I thought immediately when I saw the indomitable (or shield) augment at 10% health is that, if you go from 11%+ straight to zero health, it won't activate, but it's not the case. It would make more sense

I think Scoriox mentioned this also

[worn tree]

You can get this damage parameters for any other carry. The issue is that you can't focus down umbre because of his untargetable spam, and he can potentially damage you from anywhere in the map.

That is broken. It is not my problem you don't understand proper game mechanics.

[worn tree]

Thank you sir. I knew you someone from your caliber would appreciate my approach.

[worn tree]

That would make the augment trash lol

If you were to implement this, you would have to compensate it from another angle

[supple cave]

it is what it says. triggers below 10% health... if the unit gets slain with a big hit, it shouldn't trigger. It never got the threshold

maybe it could be 15% instead of 10%

[cyan olive]

Range idea seems cool for sure, adding more skill to positioning, feels low agency both playing and playing against harbinger umbre atm for sure especially

[worn tree]

100%, feels sad 😭 Umbre spam makes the game poorer.

[supple cave]

umbre having a range makes total sense also, not teleporting the entire board

[velvet dome]

hi guys, i'm a 4-day new ILV player, got a couple noob questions here: 1. if an omega damage = 100 * OP, is "add 10 OP" = "add 10% of Omega damage"?
2. what's the wage curve in each round (coins)?
3. Does Tsunami still 4x prey Granite? or just depends on mainclass
4. Does composite illuvial gain synergies from single classes?
5. Are grit&resolve calculated before or after resistance?

[supple cave]

also, umbre does 3 strikes to a single unit if there is no other. maybe he could strike only once

[dull wind]

I've already said this be4, umbre omega needs limited range

[dark vine]

if we want to nerf everything we should consider to set the range of a scoriox to 3 because it is basically untargetable in the corner if you put enough in front of it.
Umbre isn't unbeatable. I am always happy to get umbre harbringer because you can easily go to 90% winrate against it but sure some teams don't have the tools to deal with umbre... some decks don't have the tools to deal with arcanite, some decks don't have the tools to deal with low cost psion.... Kinda sad to see this here all day. If we take the untargetable from umbre we could just remove umbre... there is so much that can be done but I guess complaining is more important.

[supple cave]

the untargetable works fine

i just think it makes sense to have 1 hit per unit on his omega, so, if there is only one, he won't stomp it with 3 hits and heal to full, for example, and to have an area teleport range, something like ramph omega size. makes sense imo with his class fantasy and arena power

or at least a diminishing return if he hits the same target twice or 3 times

[dark vine]

If you do that there is no reason to play umbre over rhamphyre. Broken would mean you can't do anything against umbre but Umbre has weakness and can be dealt with. That means it is not more broken than a scoriox which also is strong but has weaknesses

If anything small adjustments like energy gain or max hp are enough

[south glacier]

Limiting Umbres range would make him totally useless. Just trap him with a single tank in the backline for the whole game and he won't do anything.

I think the problem isn't Umbre but the augments. Umbre is pretty weak without augments. If you nerf it and nothing will be changed in the augment mechanic then players will just find the next illuvial that gets buffed to infinity

[brazen quarry]

op?

9th illuvial seems overpowered to me? But I don't play a lot so I could be wrong.
It's just the first word that pops in my mind when I read it

[worn tree]

make the augment expensive and is not that OP

[worn tree]

I don't think it makes him useless lol. It forces positioning and if not paid attention, it fucks you up. Just like a ramphyre, but a bit less.

Agreed, and invest points for legendary augment.

[fair hemlock]

I found out that making your Dualeph Arcanite isnt really great.

"Dualeph gains attack speed for 4 seconds -> dualeph finishes his beam for 4 seconds -> dualeph feels like it could have done something more useful in those 4 seconds..."

Suffice to say i lost that match.

Phosphorus is a beast.

Dont complain

Yeah, phosphorus is nice.

I only play him. Yet lost 5 games in a row. Im good

1800 -> 1700 lol

[worn thicket]

you really are a running joke... waw

whatever, have a nice day

5 baby bulwarks phosphorus loulura phyriox is kind of a common comp atm

i agree but it's just how this game's always been, deck and matchups > skill

hopefully we hit a balance state that changes this soon

[stray gull]

GG @frank moon

Awesome game

[supple cave]

gotta make Umbre become Invoker

[stray gull]

I think Edi, Vincent have decently high rating

Ah I'm not sure, I'd have to ask for someone to snapshot latest backend data to confirm

Leaderboards just require the Frontend implementation and that's a high priority for us

Won't be long

Yeah they would want to practice ahead of the Tournament, or easy prizemoney for you 😂

Not as yet, it's being worked on by Laurin in conjunction with TL and Game Design

Not something I'm across sorry

Yeah I agree, I think the guys are close on this next balance patch

Will check-in today and see if we can provide an update

[worn thicket]

and what if after 10 days we find something completely stupidly strong and unexpected... would you still like to play the tournament without a quick hotfix?

[civic grotto]

Why cant I name my team Berserkers?

[stray gull]

Because the current bad word filter is quite average (to put it mildly) , this will be replaced but it's a lower priority for right now.

[edgy flower]

Same for empath, but you play it since day 1 kekw

It requires way more skill then putting 9 units in the corner, and switching it to another corner on R5

And we talk about how strong it is for how braindead it is, not that we can't counter that 🙂

[dark vine]

always wondering about this skill everybody is talking about... If I play empath I put 9 units in a defined spot for that matchup and if I play against empath I put like 7 units in a defined spot for that matchup (mostly it ends with that)... both just needs a limited amount of knowledge... I can't see more or less skill in either of those...

same with every other matchup

[edgy flower]

yeye secret strong deck that no1 discover KEKW

[worn tree]

That'd be awesome, thanks sir

[dawn isle]

Is anyone using these on PVP teams? I haven't seen any, and it seems like the lack of Affinity is just too much of a disadvantage. It would be great if playing multiple no Affinity Lynx had some sort of "Pack" bonus. Maybe they fight together somehow, like all focus on one opponent Illuvial, or they get a health, regen, damage or some other bonus for multiples on the board, something unique to make them worth playing.

[vivid stirrup]

haha i kinda forgot they exist 😄
since pvp has starteed my brain has just filtered them out. yeah no real use case atm but there must be a deeper plan behind it..

[woven flint]

Well, I guess the plan was "as they have no affinity, they should be the strongest unit for the cost"

Unfortunately, that is not the case

[fair hemlock]

would be dope if they counted as jokers and would get the full buff from the other affinities.
At least it would be something 😄

[edgy flower]

yep will reconnect

gg

still beta, saw lag - reconnect, that my 5 today i think so

[thin pond]

i'm having a lot of problems with the same today

[jagged summit]

It should be like ditto and mimic affinity of nearest or linked unit

That would be great for helping fill out affinities that don’t have duplicates or just one pair rn

[raven obsidian]

@civic grotto i crashed... coming back now

[civic grotto]

gg 🙂

[raven obsidian]

gg mate, 1-1 now 😉

[worn thicket]

relentless lynx if you don't need the affinity is ok, didn't try the others. but Relentless is ok

[worn thicket]

this would be such a fun concept, maybe not the entire affinity and just the dominant but yeah this would be a fun and unique interaction i'd like to see

[civic grotto]

Next patch they buff neutral Lynxes and we made full neutral team! 😄

[worn thicket]

No Hyper for double phosphorus teams 😈

[civic grotto]

No hyper for anyone XD

-What is your favourite affinity? -None

[worn thicket]

yeah but phosphorus and Umbre are the only ones i've seen people run double in a team to play around hyper

[coarse echo]

I run double Rhamphyre to play around hyper. #chadmove

[raven obsidian]

now that is a fun idea!

[worn thicket]

wow i didn't see the play!!! damn i still have so much to learn!

https://tenor.com/view/pdvg-parliamodivg-fraws-ita-master-gif-13799917

[lean ivy]

Ya lol

I really just need to keep phosphurus back

Idk wtf i'm doing

should have beat you both times. I also wanted to test if 4 toxic could work. Should have done that in a custom

Ohh i've beaten you twice 🙂

but total score is 3-2 you

unless you have beaten me with an alt account also

one day when my alt is in first i'll share send you screen shots. I save everyone when I beat xborg 😏

lol you will probably die first

very...

[lean ivy]

@opaque cape should I be scared of the water?

Same could be said about your empath build 😉

Ya but its the easyiest brain dead comp and you got to 2k with it. The only hard part is selecting the units then you pod up. lame comp in my opinion.

[smoky python]

Thats the entire game of Illuvium

If it was so easy how come nobody else thought of it and got smashed by it?

#BlameKyle

[lean ivy]

Ya, its only innovation in the team building side. The positioning is quite simple.

[smoky python]

Even the people who copy it still dont understand it which is why I kept winning mirrors against Patate and the Brazilians

[winter marlin]

Are there any rewards for ranking?

[stray gull]

To come 🫡

[smoky python]

Damn smartass be mad

Just wait for the design team to change the game

They know it cant continue in its current form

Been saying that for literal months

First iteration of PvP. Gotta let the team try something new and get it tested and then try more things new and test etc

They didnt do a lot of testing internally so we are the ones going through that for them. Still early access

[lean ivy]

Go to bed @opaque cape I know you will be back tommorow

[smoky python]

I imagine big changes will be coming after the holidays

[humble gorge]

redemption dub @gloomy barn lol

[gloomy barn]

was testing new builds but yea u won lol

Gnarl Aegis nowhere near as good as Cardulox lol

[humble gorge]

i'll take a dub when i can get it against you lol

[digital oracle]

is the online team builder broken?

[vernal forum]

not working for me atm

[mighty tulip]

GGs @lean ivy. I don't think that deck you're running beats the version I'm playing

[humble gorge]

speaking of people who always beat me, what's up GHamster

[cursive echo]

@neat walrus gg good team 🔥

[neat walrus]

thanks you too

[lean ivy]

ya know I have to admit i have now lost a few times against it and am adjusting my deck...

[cursive echo]

we are preparing for the 120k$ tournament

[velvet dome]

when 2 inferno illuvials have casted omega, is there one inferno damage per second or two?

[mighty tulip]

Ha hey, we always have a good battle 🙂

[digital oracle]

does teambuilder work for anyone else? is it typically down alot?

[twin mortar]

seems like people have been complaining about the meta a lot. i don’t understand what the expectation is? that nothing is good? that every deck is completely even? how would that be fun

every time there is a new patch there is a complaint that something new became meta. every competitive game has things that are better than others and worse than others

[stuck siren]

everything is good except for Umbre lol

and i did try to distract it with a tank

[digital oracle]

hard to have a meta when you cannt build a team

i can only play with custom decks

and i get rekt every game

its really dissapointing

[smoky python]

This patch is probably the best of the 3 so far. There will always be meta decks
I think a lot of people are angry about the game design and flow as a whole.
*Umbre is fine balance wise but its really not a fun deck to play or play against

[stuck siren]

just contact support, it didn't work for me in the beginning as well

and its been flawless ever since

[winter marlin]

Can I directly see the current cirt chance and cirt Amp of an illuvial?

[cursive echo]

troll ?

[worldly jolt]

Your experience is atypical. Contact #❓❓〕support through the website. Look for HELP(?) in the top menu.

[edgy bough]

anyone else copping long wait times?

[twin mortar]

“empaths broken” to “arcanite broken” to “umbre broken” to “”…

seems like people just don’t want to be satisfied

[velvet dome]

the crowd never happy

[hallow notch]

What are best augments for scoriox?

[bronze canopy]

well empatsh were broken from a coding perspective, shields overlapped way to much unitentionally. Scoriox was broken because the augement has been coded in a way that allowed it to scale 600%+ more than intented. Umbre is not broken from a coding perspective, its just strong, different cases

[reef basalt]

sounds like meta rotation which is the natural progression of things

https://tenor.com/view/shawn-spencer-james-roday-burton-guster-gus-dule-hill-gif-10450781

[worldly jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/b-ig-bang-theory-raj-koothrappali-sheldon-cooper-rock-paper-scissors-gif-3438690

[hoary mason]

Wait till someone makes a new deck and it takes off, it will be broken

[grand bluff]

GG @fallen vortex

[fallen vortex]

Hahaha gg. Seems like an early retirement for me 😛

[hybrid ravine]

Is there something that describes the basics of illuvium arena? Like what is grit vs resolve? Sorry if it's in pins, I just tried doing a Google search..

[worldly jolt]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

Third party sites like illuvialmaster or illuvihub can be helpful too

[bronze canopy]

typo. Grit/resolve -> dodge

[harsh falcon]

In casual yes in ranked its max 1-2min

[topaz lake]

mea culpa 😅 yes, it's dodge

[bronze canopy]

interesting patch, definitely gonna shake up the meta

[topaz lake]

Rich fixed the typo, should be good now. #crisisaverted 😂

[zenith mortar]

Fixed

[harsh falcon]

People complaining about the meta never played a ranked game seriously in their life … league/dota/heartstone

You think they complained that a champion or deck were broken (like every patch has in every game) … nah they used it to climb ranks and when it gets patched the found the next meta

Welcome to ranked gameplay

Stop complaining and adapt or go play overworold

[raven obsidian]

Sweet looking patch. Should definitely mix things up a bit!

[civic grotto]

Damn son. Bull is gonna be happy..

[edgy flower]

How about stream?:) I need to watch new meta be4 I can play myself later xd

[grand bluff]

Agreed. So many nerfs to Umbre's augments and Empath overall. And so many buffs to the other classes.

[harsh falcon]

@cyan olive @fallen vortex @vivid stirrup you guys gonna cover the new patch ?

[bronze canopy]

im still contemplating whether or not to invest time into this game. Im either pro or i dont play at all

[fallen vortex]

My video for the old patch is set to come out in a few days 🤣🤣 my body keeps slowing me down but I hopefully will. Just won't come out soon

[smoky python]

Can always just wait to see if they fix it

[bronze canopy]

thats the plan for now

[bronze canopy]

empath = bad, phosforus = bad, blazenite = bad, t0 = bad, lynx = good, legendary augements = good

https://tenor.com/view/maya-rudolph-kiss-wink-love-gif-27418400

[fallen vortex]

@proven ember overall quite happy with the patch. The omni vamp augment shoulda been tuned more and I am very surprised to only see the staff and daggers get updates. The shield and sword were always the more underwhelming ones to me but yeah loving it

Excited to test berserker mystic and spore more now

[tight bluff]

how do the notes look bois

[worn tree]

Look very good tbf. Lets see how this shapes up the meta

[zenith bough]

Would love it if there was a name on an illuvial instead of using their own internal names on the lines, when writing the patch notes.

Like, who is dodo, thycaline, pangolian and shoebill?

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-bird-rain-beautiful-gif-18429868

[topaz lake]

Thanks! Will note this for future patches.

[zenith mortar]

I can add this in

[zenith bough]

Thanks guys!

[zenith mortar]

I thought the same as i was going through it

but i'll do so in morning

going to bed

[zenith bough]

Sleep tight

[zenith mortar]

[zenith bough]

Is magma fixed in this patch, or does it still disappear?

[topaz lake]

That's the intended behavior. When the unit dies, the zone is disabled

[supple cave]

Anteater is Vermilliare, right??

[zenith mortar]

Yes

[supple cave]

you guys really need to be more clear on the patch notes. only illuvium worshippers will understand those lines names and who they are.

"dodo" and "shoebill", for non english natives? wtf

those names don't even exist in game

[proven ember]

Agreed.

[supple cave]

other than that, seems like a great patch!! congratulations to all involved! can't wait to try it out

[worn thicket]

disagree

[supple cave]

(I hope the main focus of the team is deploying open beta next year, though)

[fallen vortex]

We need images of the augments. Remembering them all off by heart is a challenge

[supple cave]

yes, totally!

[fallen vortex]

Ohhh I'd love to hear Ur thoughts

[supple cave]

patch notes gotta be beginner friendly also haha. imagine you just came into the game and try to understand that as non english native

[hollow citrus]

https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/8601206547215
this version has images

[worn thicket]

i'm not gonna lie i'm unhappy about this patch @proven ember @topaz lake it really feels like these decisions have been made too early compared to the pathc release.

As a result:
Things that were already just A+ because the community learned how to play against like Empath get completely annihilated to unplayable Tier. and other things like Umbre remain almost untouched

[fallen vortex]

As much as I agree there was already so much text 🤣 I dony want them spending too much effort writing it uo

[worn thicket]

I am happy that most of the patch aims to reward higher stages compared to their small counterpart though

[fallen vortex]

My biggest takeaway. We need way more of this

[worn thicket]

also about the legendary augments... buffs are wild and not justified for the most part imo

[fallen vortex]

I dont quite understand. What got anhialated to unplayable?

[worn thicket]

Blazenite

[fallen vortex]

Oh yeah I am super happy about that. I agree it's unjustified but idc. Send it to hell plz

[worn thicket]

blazenite comp got absolutely destroied! Empaths synergy gets nerfed. Empath units have smaller omega radius and less heal effectiveness.
blazenite omega is nerfed by almost 40% on it's duration... FOURTY PERCENT?!
staff nerfed.

Like it's place in the meta did NOT justify such actions it's just way too extreme

[fallen vortex]

Yeah I think the empath nerfs were necessary cause they could form some weird wall. But yeah we got chicken stew

[worn thicket]

like i said the comp was already not even dominating like i went 4th at inferno#2 without using it once O.o

[fallen vortex]

I am very surprised to see Umbre untouched

[worn thicket]

umbre technically gets nerfed, and steam too but it's a laughable nerf, i'd be crazy surprised if it changes anything

[fallen vortex]

Im super excited for the grilla changes with taunt

[fallen vortex]

I was hoping to see them change the indomitable augment

Thats the problem

Not umbre

Also omni vamp is not tuned down enough

[smoky python]

Umbre actually gets a huge buff

[worn thicket]

grilla change with taunt + predator buff + mud buff... again it's extreme... that's how you create an environment where the game becomes find the S+ tier of the patch and spam rather than skill and what they promessed wouldn't happen here because NFT assets mean peoples money and patches influence prices...

[smoky python]

Removing Empaths as a build makes Umbre insane

[fallen vortex]

Yeah hahah I do expect it to be more prevalent

[smoky python]

It was a hard counter

[fallen vortex]

Umbre is only good because of indomitable

Its such a cop out augment

U don't even need to build a front line anymore

[worn thicket]

yeah they changed it... they made the shield effect bigger 😂 like anyone cares of that part of the effect

[fallen vortex]

🤣🤣🤣

[worn thicket]

yeah i never liked the fact we had invulnerable and indomittable augments

[fallen vortex]

They do cheapen the strategy of the entire game imo

[smoky python]

Patch seems meh but worth trying things balance wise to see different stuff. The real problems with the game can't really be fixed by number changes so will have to wait for later

[fallen vortex]

An augment literally replaces granite

[worn thicket]

take a lesser flish put those augments on it, it solo fronts for 12s... stupid imo

[fallen vortex]

Like really think about thag

20 mastery points replaces granite

[worn thicket]

and 40 is better than granite (3)

[fallen vortex]

Do u know how bad umbre would be if indomitable didn't exist

[smoky python]

It'd still be a fine unit

[worn thicket]

i'm ok with indomitable to save your carry

but make the numbers HALF that

3s of invulnerability after you were supposed to get nuked if plenty enough

[fallen vortex]

I think it should have a trigger instead of guarantee. U should be able to nuke it from 30% and not have the effect trigger

[worn thicket]

that would be an umbre buff bro

[fallen vortex]

??

I mean like it only triggers at 10%. If u don't bring it there it should die

[worn thicket]

yeah so umbre just kills you regardless 🙂

[fallen vortex]

Not sure where I am miscommunicating

If I do half its hp in 1 attavk

It should die

[worn thicket]

im not sure you understand what you say

[edgy flower]

All they need to do with umbre is change formula from (x+attack damage)OP to xOP +attack damage, as the other slayer already have, even when he cheaper LOL

[fallen vortex]

Yeah his scaling is pretty outrageous

[worn thicket]

in this meta very few things are able to take you from 40-30 to 0 in only one damage instance, one of them is umbre

[fallen vortex]

Very true. But I'm saying the threshold is like 10%. I reckon that's doable

[worn thicket]

yeah i suggested that multiple times just make the formula like phosphorus'

[fallen vortex]

Yeah for sure

[worn thicket]

no the whole point of the augment imo if protecting from big one shots... your proposal kills the augment's purpose

[fallen vortex]

Fingers crossed

It would be usable on tanks but not glass cannons

Again it feels like a cop out to me. And it should be more tank utility

[worn thicket]

oh an i forgot to mention it but harbinger gets a massive buff

[fallen vortex]

With the new omega augment

Yup umbre about to get way crazier

[worn thicket]

Hyperkinetic now gives Omega power on battle start GG well plaied

tbf we needed a way to control harbinger

[fallen vortex]

Do we not have an augment that reduces omega power?

[worn thicket]

but now i'm gonna play Seeforus Harbinger bois

or Rhamphyre Harbinger

[fallen vortex]

I tried that. It didn't work

Ask @smoky python

It failed miserably

[worn thicket]

it didn't work because you couldnt control the Harbinger buff to go on seeforus

[smoky python]

can confirm

[fallen vortex]

I had on omega grant omega

It controlled it fine

[worn thicket]

NOW with hyperkinetic you can take any unit that scales well with OP and make it a hyper carry

[fallen vortex]

That was actually the problem

Doesn't scale like umbre does

Actually it scales like 3x worse. It was underwhelming

[worn thicket]

nah umbre's scaling on OP is ridiculously stupid

[fallen vortex]

Yup

[safe stirrup]

so then whats the meta now

[worn thicket]

that's why i turned into that already 2 weeks ago

[fallen vortex]

Yeah umbre is the perfect storm

[safe stirrup]

yea and that issue is that umbre doesnt benefit from harbinger 100 OP when they die IF Umbre is in their ult

[worn thicket]

Umbre and Colossus, then they fix Umbre and Invoker will be the problem

yep temporal safeguard+Survival Protocol gives too much value to umbre i agree

[fallen vortex]

We need an omega debuff augment

[worn thicket]

but both remained untouched and instead nerfed slightly his dmg... like 10% would make anything

instead of 23k/fight it will now only do 21k xD

[fallen vortex]

Its just so easy to give it defensive augments and still have it hyper carry

[dull wind]

question: if the patch update is live why aren't the tooltips updated in-game?

[worn thicket]

i'm off for a couple hours, have fun bois

i'm probably not even touching this patch tbh

[fallen vortex]

[worn thicket]

completely arbitrary and mis-aimed patch. i hate it

and really hope that's not how they'll do patches after OB launch

[smoky python]

I feel like they just didn't feel like testing things out so just killed it completely to not have to worry about it for now

[turbid osprey]

empaths were already dead since people caught up on the immune augments

[smoky python]

Maybe your empath list lol

[turbid osprey]

The new arcanite easily wins 100% of the time vs any empaths now (even before the patch) no matter your empath deck, which made empaths unplayable tbh

[worn thicket]

nah empaths became ok at the moment people realised that with big AOE dmg like Rhamphyre or gauntlet they had a positive matchup into it

but apparently the team didn't watch the streams and high level play where empaths were losign half their games against people who knew how to play!

[dark vine]

half? like all

[worn thicket]

nah because at high level it's rock paper scissor

if i bring blazenite into your arcanites i win, but if you bring rhamphyre i lose

and rhamphyre loses more than it wins against arcanites

[smoky python]

Empath players literally took 1st ,3rd, 5th with the same 3 deck archetypes

[worn thicket]

last 2 tournaments were literally just rock paper scissor in top16+

[dark vine]

well there are balanced decks that win against empath

[smoky python]

It's just rock paper scissors as zep says

[tribal glade]

Rock Paper Scissors Kamehameha?

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-final-kamehameha-vegito-blue-super-saiyan-gif-11539971

[worn thicket]

kamehameha being my water list yeah?

[tribal glade]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-ultimate-piccolo-power-awakening-piccolo-special-beam-cannon-makankosappo-gif-27210251

[worn thicket]

makkankosappo looks more like dualeph to me 😂

right im off, laters guys. just one last time: i hate this patch

[dull wind]

question: if the patch update is live why aren't the tooltips updated in-game or the team builder web page?

[fallen vortex]

@worn thicket Ur tweet says invoker got buffed? Did I miss that? Is that more since empaths got buried?

[smoky python]

Invokes had a decent matchup vs Empaths

I think anyone who paid attention to tournaments knew that Empaths could be countered. Thats why it turned into Rock-Paper-Scissors instead of just Me and Smartass having Rock and nobody having Paper like in Inferno 1

Yah this has always been a big problem here

[worn thicket]

They not only got buffed, they also now have proper augments for them even though the AD versions are still stronger

THIS !! completely mis-aimed patch

[cursive echo]

Colossus toxic thorns boring😭

[worn thicket]

Buffed for whatever reason 😂

[cursive echo]

Invoker tsunami might kill 🔮

[supple cave]

they can pay me to translate it to portuguese 😉

[woven flint]

agree 100% with what was written by smartass
people makes noises crying but thoses who makes the most noises actually are just whiners like in all games.
they cry saying this this is OP until someone whow them how to counter and then they stop crying and for them the comp is not op anymore.
but if you listen to them all the time, then you arrive at patch like this :/

[bleak escarp]

Dang. The empath fan boys current omega is Flowing Tears right now, lol.

Rise of the Lynxs!

[supple cave]

blazenite is tier 4. needs to be strong

[dark vine]

exactly this!

[supple cave]

the patches are coming out fast before open beta for that reason

[cursive echo]

You always need money

[woven flint]

no need again to put your ego 1st buddy, just say facts and at some point the team will understand not to listen to cry babies !
with thoses comment they just don t takes you seriously, even if you are right !

[smoky python]

Because most people just like to talk and pretend they know what they are talking about. But when challenged by someone who truly understands things for money they back down

[cursive echo]

What do you do against colossus verdant toxic invoker

[smoky python]

I think trying new things is fine btw. Patches that change metas is what keeps games like these fresher. Just has to be done well

[brazen quarry]

Game patched? Who are we complaining about now?
Wen nerf

[cursive echo]

This for the joke I remember on the pb2 he challenged for money 'haha he's right time is money

[woven flint]

well, game patched in the wrong way, just to please the cry babies.
it s time wrongly spent because it fixes wrong things and doesn t fixes what s needed to be fix

[bleak escarp]

Dude this would be the first time you switched from Empath...Godspeed.

[brazen quarry]

It's a beta, the team is learning. This is why we are here.

[smoky python]

Game has been out for 1.5 years
Still not using the feedback of listening to the top players

[brazen quarry]

Last time you said there is no game

[smoky python]

I was talking about Illuvium Zero.... or Beyond

[woven flint]

I agree, just hope they stop listenning to people crying the harder and actually listen to player like smartass, zep, sjud viper mindia patate who really understand what s going on

[raven obsidian]

Soooo what's new meta

[brazen quarry]

They removed the gaming council, I think they want to find this out themselves.
This is obviously just me guessing since I don't have inside information.

[smoky python]

We will see. I gave very long feedback to members of the team. But a lot of the stuff I suggested would take time to implement. Not as easy as balance patches

[dark vine]

surprised about that as well... wasn't everybody playing like arcanite/invoker that can break it? Went to nearly 2k with Col/invoker and started trying trash... now I am at 1.8k again but losing against empath felt impossible oO

[smoky python]

I mean I dont know. I played the last Inferno one tricking Bird and only lost to Rogue counter

A lot of empath players arent top tier

[shadow lion]

how many dau

[smoky python]

We're all waiting on Kieran for that

[dark vine]

Yeah, like the one I was thinking about godof..something 😄 I don't know anymore 😛

[woven flint]

easy to figure out 😉
hint : not for from the existing one xD

[bleak escarp]

Looks like s3 t0 remain viable as they should. Rest got coffin nerffed. Not sure why all stages had same debuff durations.

[smoky python]

I was confirmed to be best Bird player over Smartass by a neutral 3rd party.

[cursive echo]

I hate facing the rorgues air fire

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-kyle-broflovski-laughing-lmao-lol-gif-22861403

[dark vine]

also, very surprised about this "rogue counter" I played empath during inferno 1 to above 2k as well and never lost against that deck... I was very surprised that you won the loser bracket final that way... empath had ways to adjust to that but doesn't matter anymore they are all dead now

[smoky python]

It was pretty much an auto win matchup for Rogues

Of course the Rogue player has to have the right list and know what they are doing

It was prolly a 90/10 matchup

[dark vine]

yeah, thats what I mean... it isn't but ok maybe I am the only empath player who knows how to deal with that deck... that is fine by me 😄

[smoky python]

I think you're forgetting how bad most players are

Same skill level of player the Rogues win

[dark vine]

not sure... the placement and everything looked the same to me... even worse on your side sometimes but who cares not important anymore

this

prevent hyper

get rham with kukka

wasn't that hard tbh

[woven flint]

diseagree here, just had to change augments starting list, even with empath templar, you just started with a triple siphon matrix and this were definitly not a 90/10 for rogues

[smoky python]

If you're playing kukka your list is bad

[dark vine]

ok, mr every other idea is bad but I won 100% against rogues with that soooo maybe that was the right adjustment

[smoky python]

Beating bad players on ladder doesnt mean anything lol. There's a reason Xborg brought Rogues to counter the matchup and it worked

You think we didnt test?

Our bird list beat the other bird lists

[dark vine]

yes, you can't test everything and what I saw on the empath players side just showed that the person didn't know what to do

[smoky python]

lol

Guess you should have been crushing all these tournaments then

[dark vine]

I am not saying that you didn't had many ideas against most stuff but that doesn't mean you know everything (that is impossible)

[smoky python]

Yup

[dark vine]

I played one tournament and got to #8 and was very surprised about the loser bracket final to say the least

which isn't an argument

that has nothing to do with what I am saying

[smoky python]

For the first tournaments
Trashbird > Arcanite > Rogues > Trashbird

[cursive echo]

Your not much solution against rogues when you play empath

[dark vine]

ok, people who deflect in an argument like that shouldn't be argued with

[smoky python]

And if you werent playing our bird list you would lose the mirror

So anyone playing kukka was wrong

[dark vine]

we aren't even talking about what I have said you are just saying "we are the best therfor we know everything" the word "everything" makes this sentence 100% btw

[smoky python]

I just dont know what else to say. We told you what the matchups are and then showed it in tournaments

[dark vine]

yeah, have seen that a lot never worked but as I said you won't believe anything so what ever

[worn thicket]

no this is bad faith, because with extreme changes you just never find balance

[fallen vortex]

Ikr! That water grokko was actually wild

[dark vine]

in the tournament I haven't seen that counterplay, so, what kind of argument is that? You had luck your opponent had a knowledge gap (obv. the same you guys have)

[worn thicket]

If we want to help the project, our role here is not to sugar coat things, it's important that feedback even negative gets through so that things can get better.

Quick reminder, nobody in the team ever worked in an autobattler before and none of them were top tier players either, so they need us to give insight on what's good for balance and what isn't

[smoky python]

Kyle is a top tier player but other than that ya

[worn thicket]

it's ok to undershoot or overshoot a nerf. happens quite often, but completely missing the target while making drastic changes should just be a no way

[dark vine]

strange argument again. It wasn't a mirror you opponent had the old list with kukka/verm and could have reacted .. that doesn't mean that your deck overall isn't better but again deflection arguments over deflection arguments

[fallen vortex]

As sjud said. The issues with the gameplay go way beyond stat changes. I'm excited for those adjustments

[brazen quarry]

Ok who is gonna DM me a broken build

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[smoky python]

Thats the point man. We litereally created the best trashbird list and kept it secret. Nobody else could play it but us. There was no "old list"

People were just playing the Empath list that everyone thought was OP

[worn thicket]

yeah but Kyle is a junior, maybe Illuvium does things differently but usually Juniors' opinion have limited value in a multi-million company.

[smoky python]

True

[brazen quarry]

Really? I need that build

[worn thicket]

well @smoky python and i already spoke privately about this and i disagree with him, i think if we hit the right balance and format this game can still have a really good skill expression

issue is getting there though.

[woven flint]

100% that the ground mechanics are good for a long term skill expression, many tweaks needed in the mechanics, not only little balances patch, but IMO the ground is good for the future

[worn thicket]

this last line is the reason i never considered cuck to take on rhamphyre... it's "closest" is way too random and will tend to prioritize smaller units

[smoky python]

And since Rogues win rounds 1-3 it only takes 1 bad cast or position change to beat it

[dark vine]

air augments everytime I healed back from 15% hp

[fallen vortex]

Im not convinced. The augments allow a bit too much freedom. I don't think the game needs drastic changes but I don't think there's any sort of balance that fixes the flowchart problem

[worn thicket]

you can't fix the flowchart issue in a game where you have your perfect hand every turn

[smoky python]

Thats my point

[dark vine]

well, I don't had to move I could take it with protocol on the right units, resolve, air, and energy reduction

[smoky python]

The game needs a big design change to fix that

[worn thicket]

but you can force people to consider more stuff by having bigger decks, giving the opportunity for multiple paths in a deck etc

[smoky python]

There are definitely paths to improve without the big design changes though

[supple cave]

a bigger deck would be great imo

[smoky python]

I think Me , You and Scoriox are on different scales of the amount things need to change.
You smaller end, Scoriox middle, Me very big

[fallen vortex]

I mean drawing from a deck could be cool. I'd be down to try it 😛

[worn thicket]

right now with 28cards in a deck and how most people build their decks (most notable exception i see is @smoky python / @opaque cape blazenite comp) not only your opponent always knows what they gonna do on a given round... YOU also know what they gonna do that round cauz you know the deck and you know the flowchart

[woven flint]

if you don t have the flexibility with augments, as you have a limited deck, you would end up rock paper scisor on the deck choices.
it s important to keep the augments choices here to be able to adapt to different team in front of you.

littereally if you reduce it you could most of the time just surrender round 1 vs some decks, and that s not the goal

[fallen vortex]

I also like the banning phases suggestions

[smoky python]

Gave this feedback a long long time ago.

[worn thicket]

if we had 30-35 cards decks, will my opponent play rogues or invokers against me? how do i try to cover both? it add just SO MUCH to the game

[dark vine]

during that time air had 20%? that was enough to basically kill half of the team and prepare for omega or even get rhamp down but that wasn't needed

[fallen vortex]

I can definitely get behind this idea for sure

[smoky python]

I've always hated open forting in autochess

[worn thicket]

yeah and what if your opponent also does so? you guys play a R4 coinflip?

[fallen vortex]

This got me

What about a negative econ.

Every wasted turn u lose mastery to dicincentivise

[worn thicket]

then suddenly agro becomes way stronger than control

[fallen vortex]

This is way better don't mind me

[worn thicket]

this is way better

[fallen vortex]

Oh I was right. There u go

[worn thicket]

forces people to optimize every round

[fallen vortex]

🤣🤣

[worn thicket]

yep

but there are strong R1s who just don't commit much

like... COLOSSUS

[unique ether]

I have a concern with regards to balancing patches (not saying that it is bad) but is it not scary if you are hunting for an illuvial and then boom it gets nerfed and you spent real money on it? would this just be part of the risk?

[smoky python]

Yah thats just part of the game

[unique ether]

i feel there must be a better system but i dont know, this will disincentivize people from spending on the game

[smoky python]

Gameplay should take precedence over all

[worn thicket]

while balancing patches are necessary for the health of the game and more specifically for competitive play where players overoptimize the slightest imbalance, we need to be careful when deploying these in a game where assets mean real life money.

which is why i hate the current patch and how it was done because it makes it scary for the future. like a similar patch after OB makes Blazenite go from idk 50$ to 5$.

Even though it still costs to obtain everyone will just be willing to get rid of it.

so frequent patches yes. quad-nerf on a single comp or triple buff or another -> NO

[unique ether]

i also feel there is like a legal implication of it as well, like chaning the product (fair trade act etc)

[worn thicket]

nah, people need to chill off a bit. you paid for a rhamphyre knowing that the game would have patches and therefore the strength of a rhamphyre would fluctuate. if you try to invoke some justice on that, i don't see any case where that's actually viable or receivable

[dull wind]

can some1 confirm if the update is live or not?

[woven flint]

it is

[worn thicket]

Axie also had balance patches and nobody sued them or at least succesfully. i bet some retards tried though

[worn thicket]

it is

[dull wind]

why didn't the tooltips change?

[woven flint]

it changed, the augments are different at least

[worn thicket]

happens frequently in beta stages, they change the numbers but not the tooltips will be fixed soon no worry

[unique ether]

well i just hope we wont get into that trouble, just concerned

[grand bluff]

So what's the meta build? I wanna know.

[supple cave]

8 lynxes hahaha

go try it

[south glacier]

What's the point of water Volante silencing an opponent when it also applies lethargic for the exact same amount of time? Isn't a lethargic unit not gaining energy? So the opponent is silenced while not gaining energy?

[grand bluff]

Ew no xD

[grand bluff]

Yeah, so you can't gain energy and are silenced. Which essentially extends the duration of not being able to Omega if you don't have full energy.

[south glacier]

but u can't omega when you don't gain energy. no need to silence then

[worn thicket]

yes so it can't cast it's omega or gain energy for that duration. which also means it interupts the omega if it already started

which lethargic doesn't

[grand bluff]

Mm, no it's not the same.

[worn thicket]

and if you silence but don't apply lethargic like other volantes. you still can charge your energy during the duration and cast your omega instantly after the silence effect runs out

so yeah two very different effects

[grand bluff]

Take this as an example.

Say that an Illuvial requires 160 energy to cast. Right now, it has 140 energy. If silenced and lethargic, it won't be able to gain energy while silenced. Then, say that after 1 attack, the silence and lethargic are gone. The 1 attack does not give energy. This means that after the debuffs are gone, the Illuvial needs to attack once again to get 20 energy to cast omega. This means it needs 2 attacks to cast Omega.

Now same situation without Lethargic. 140 energy right now, and needs 160 to cast. Silenced, but not lethargic. During silence, it attacks 1 time and regens 20 energy. It now has 160 energy. After silence is gone, it can immediately cast and not need another 1 attack.

This means silence and lethargic are better if the illuvial doesn't have max energy yet because the duration of not being able to cast the next omega is slightly longer.

[grand bluff]

If lethargic without silence, the Illuvial can still cast omega after energy is full. So if lethargic is applied after omega is full, it can still cast omega.

[tribal glade]

I’m personally a fan of potentially trying out 5 LA with 5 tokens

• 2 Guaranteed synergy LA
• 3 Non Synergy LA

[smoky python]

100% worth a try

[fallen vortex]

im onboard with this for sure

[south glacier]

Thx for your explanation. I think my question wasn't very clear. I looked at the patch notes and was confused about the same duration of lethargic/silenced. But for the gameplay it doesn't really makes sense to give a duration to silence because the only effect of the silence is canceling an omega (in this case). Otherwise only the lethargic effect matters. That's why I initially thought why do you need both effects for the same duration.

The silence duration even gets extended with every stage

But I guess thats ok. It's just the base effect of every volante omega. So it makes sense

[fallen vortex]

Silence duration is decently valuable but you are right its somewhat redundant with lethargic. That being said if they have full energy then lethargic doesnt prevent them from casting so silence duration is valuable there

[south glacier]

But silence completely cancels the Omega. So no need for a duration in this case I guess?

[fallen vortex]

cancels the omega and prevents cast

theres 3 different timings, this combo covers them all

[south glacier]

Ok. Didn't know that. Ty

[fallen vortex]

if they havent got the energy, if they do have the energy and if they r mid cast

this covers all 3

[south glacier]

But I like how the T0s are now more consistent among their affinities. It makes sense to give them the same effects even if it's a different illuvial line

[worn thicket]

yep people complaining how blazenite mirror looks but will now play a full week or 2 of Colossus mirror

😂

[fallen vortex]

im getting stomped by this dudes psion colossus

I cant break the colossus fast enough

damn u Alex

[grand bluff]

Cardulox and 1 ranger collosus, with 5 fliish?

[fallen vortex]

Yup my team dont got no rogues

Omg my Jotun omega a ghost like 3 times that battle

@coarse echo why my Jotun be fighting spirits

[grand bluff]

I use the Grit and Resolve augment and Grit and Resolve Armor on ranger to tank the initial burst, then bond with Phosphorus. I start winning at T3 usually.

[fallen vortex]

I used the 2 resolve augments which helped a bit but quantity still dominates it

gotta tweak but ive almost got it

[grand bluff]

I find the ranger tanking very useful with Bloom.