🎮〕illuvium-arena

[safe valve]

The one with ilv tournament rewards

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1161488414881886258

Ngl did a short Run aswell since a Long time 😂

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-gif-25058970

Definitely part of its goal

[safe valve]

That will help a lot for sure
Just not sure if it isn't a bit too early.

[smoky python]

I think with the introduction of PvP its the right time. People thought it was a bit early to do for Survival which is fair

[safe valve]

And i almost voted down, because scoriox shouldn't be on top of the stair

[safe valve]

Yea survival tournaments doesn't make much sense

[smoky python]

I think theyd be better if we had frequent patches and meta shifts but since there arent any real changes the game is pretty solved

[safe valve]

If competition is high until open Beta it's good.
But if tournaments are for example Set up for top5 getting rewards and it's almost always the Same top 5, you Hype up now a bit but Hype will massively decreases until open Beta.

[smoky python]

Well the goal is that we have more than 5 good players

[safe valve]

Absolutely... i hope for that too

[smoky python]

It's also not a bad thing if the same players do well in every tournament. That means the game has good skill expression

Now if its because there are only 20 total players and only 3 good ones then thats not great

But if the same 20 or so people are the ones factoring into the top 5 prizes every time thats good

[safe valve]

20 probably too less. People remember...
If there is not a new Name here and there it's the scenario "not gona win anyways so i wait till games are live". And then you pay just the 20 Players for half a year with no really Big impact

[smoky python]

People also play in tournaments to learn and improve even if they know they prolly wont win it all

And for fun

[safe valve]

But i really hope competition is coming up and maybe even get some new blood from tft playerbase. Then it's gona be fucking awesome

[safe valve]

Yea true

[smoky python]

Coming from MTG I'd play in local tournaments where only like 4 of us had a chance of winning but there were 50+ entrants

And those had like $25-$40 entry fees

[safe valve]

Yea probably because of the Fun factor.
I guess they were all AT the Same place, drinking and snacking and chatting etc.?

[smoky python]

Yah it was IRL so there was a social element involved

So a bit different

[safe valve]

Yea, huge difference

[smoky python]

But even online there are people who just find competition fun

And it really is a good way to learn

[safe valve]

It's Like the Lann-Parties back then... Way more Fun than to play in your own cellar

[smoky python]

Hooking up 4 xboxes to play Halo 2

[smoky python]

Ordering 15 pizzas haha

Those really were the good ol days

In the case of this IIP, maybe a streamer applies to host a tournament and his viewers join in just to play in their favorite streamers tournament

talk shit in chat

[safe valve]

Never heared about that... is it common?

[zenith bough]

Maybe said streamer does it for his subscribers who subscribed for a minimum of 6 months

[smoky python]

One of the reasons I had this idea was because of playing Dota Underlords. Valve gave no support so streamers got their own sponsors (mostly Bluestacks)

And ran their own tournaments

Everyone knew Monday I play in SJUDs and Wednesday I play in Dr Spoons etc

[zenith bough]

You gonna stream?

[smoky python]

Just an example haha

But maybe

[zenith bough]

Could be fun

[smoky python]

We shall see what the playerbase and viewing numbers are like

Also if the game is fun enough to play for X hours on stream straight

[smoky python]

So you can be the winner of Shabims tourney

[zenith bough]

Stacking odds my way

[safe valve]

I See.
Also good opportunity for a Streamer to get Followers ibguess

[smoky python]

Yup its mutually beneficial

You keep streamers loyal and wanting to keep playing your game

A lot of viewers will just play whatever their streamer plays so it becomes a package deal

[lilac grail]

Pokers players don't see as a problem to pay 1$ entry in a tournament to get a chance of having a part of the pie.
You have to pay to have access to a pricepool. but people joining for the gamble and the fun.
Will be similar if competition is good into Illuvium.
Can't wait to pvp

[safe valve]

Yea but poker tournament normally pay out a Big proportion of the participants. I doubt that it will be that case with most guilds.

[smoky python]

That really just depends on the tournament

Generally for poker its like top 10% get paid

In the MTG tournies I played in for like 30+ entrants we'd usually have 5th-8th get their money back or maybe a very tiny profit and Top 4 get the good payouts

[safe valve]

Where i played it was usually between 20 and 30%

[smoky python]

Small or large tournaments?

Smaller ones generally pay out higher on a % of entrant basis

[safe valve]

Up x hundreds

[smoky python]

When I played 10 person Sit and Goes it'd be 30% because paying out top 3 just makes sense

[safe valve]

But was a while ago, can't recall if it was the Same with 1k+ participants

[smoky python]

Generally as you go up in players you get closer and closer to 10%

Either way I think getting things established early and having different 3rd parties test out tournament formats is a good idea

Both on structure and prizes

Also the hosts should be throwing in prizes of their own as well as the grants given out. This could also allow more people to get paid maybe even randomly like how @tulip tiger does it with a spinner

Throw in some disks randomly for participants or something. I know my very first MTG tournament I won the random prize despite not winning a match ( I was like 8 and sucked)

[cedar cloak]

I'm on and off when playing the game, but this definitely motivates me too 😂

[smoky python]

It's working already 🙂

[cedar cloak]

It's a fantastic idea and costs the DAO basically nothing.

[smoky python]

Yup and the token allocation is already there in the whitepaper for competitive rewards

We got lots of tokens

[cedar cloak]

Bro, I just noticed your PFP. WTF?! 🤣

[twilit storm]

"We got lots of tokens"? WE?

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-nothing-lavan-davis-curtis-payne-tyler-perrys-house-of-payne-you-dont-have-anything-gif-18337317

[west plume]

Have anyone outside of Illuvium played PVP?

[cursive echo]

training 4 /3/2

[safe valve]

Do you know if they are already balancing with the internal testing?

[proven ember]

yep

[edgy bough]

Fully agree, fantastic IIP man! Great to see some of the big brains in council working together 🚀

[west plume]

almost broke the game today.

[smoky python]

Sure I guess they are doing the best they can

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/halter-beyin-komik-brain-workout-gif-13417733

[twilit storm]

uhm so no streetcred today..everybody packed up at 35..was waiting for the uppercut from SA to reach 36 but nothin..GG btw Ass.

[smoky python]

36 must be one hell of a wave

Smartass loves 1 upping people

[twilit storm]

and 21 augs

[opaque cape]

when they have 3 mystic + 2 behemoth + 2 vanguard and your best damage dealer is a ryplance, its kinda gg

i got to wave 36 with 3 different comps, all failed miserably

4 comps actually

[smoky python]

jeez

[opaque cape]

not even 4 mud had a chance

not even 5 nature 5 empath with toxic/berserker ryplance + a blotto that benefits from both nature and empath

the deck was really fun though, no cuck and no rhamphyre carry and no dualeph

means you had to use other things

[twilit storm]

I tried even 3 fire to boost a bit the dmg but nah

[opaque cape]

3 fire is just 3 tiny bullwarks

and none of your carries have any fire in them

so its a bad idea

[opaque cape]

fun deck again today

i like when there isnt any cuck/dualeph carry

i saw you 3 hypes finishing one after another, co-op run ftw, until i went in 😄

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[opaque cape]

34 is surely beatable, might do some more runs later to see how far the comp can go

[cursive echo]

I feel bad...

Bug Impossible to take chekpoint " your luck @opaque cape "

[opaque cape]

you think you were gonna make it past me lol?

[cursive echo]

no I troll I know that you are much better than me💯

[opaque cape]

i do like your comp more than mine tbh

this was mine

i was playing ebb and bonding to him to get toxic/revenant

[cursive echo]

I really like my team 🙂

[opaque cape]

which made me play water doka too to get 3 water

and i dont really like that unit

which means i had to play an air rogue to get to 3 rogue

your healer setup better, need to give it a try

[cursive echo]

I hesitated to play 3 water

[opaque cape]

i think you should switch out fern for archeleon

he's also nature/empath for your bond and benefits from 3 bullwark

• the heal is probably more useful than the stun from fern

oh youre playing him to get the 3rd empath stack i guess for free

then its probably worth

[cursive echo]

yes 3 empath !

[opaque cape]

wave 40 here i come

i only have 45 min though, need to leave soon, so lets see how far it gets

[cursive echo]

Just a game I finished my turn for today! It bothers me to play as much time as the pvp soon arrives with lots of change..

[opaque cape]

well it got a little further

36 is probably still beatable with this comp with optimization, would have to check recording but i have to go now, gl

[turbid osprey]

Its time to sharpen your sword and come battle in the Arena for Reset Warrior #6 ⚔️

Hosted in Hyperion discord at reset in ~30mins.

Prizes for the winner, giveaways to enter, bragging rights in play, and most importantly, loads of fun

[twilit storm]

glad to see HYPE in the money (so to speak) gegee

[tulip tiger]

Thanks to everyone that joined last night.

[safe valve]

Thanks for hosting.
Always a good experience.

[edgy bough]

Agreed! Shout to 2HAYEZ & Hyperion for creating a consistent competition while we patiently wait for PVP. Can’t wait to collab more with other guilds 🚀

[edgy bough]

Fun vibes! GG to @teal fiber for taking top spot and Wildfire’s first Arena win 🏆 we ain’t just some causal guild 😜

[supple cave]

wish I could take part, but time is short lately

[edgy bough]

I feel that

[tulip tiger]

Let's gooo

[brazen quarry]

@dark scaffold Let's goooooo

[dreamy inlet]

Do we know when will be the next update on the pvp ?

[limber scroll]

should be very soon. plan is Q4

[dreamy inlet]

Thank you 🙂

[cursive echo]

damn, I thought I had a good team

[opaque cape]

no bullwark when playing behemoths is bad

[cursive echo]

I favored fighter bad bad idea

[dusky cloak]

i did it but i can download the game

thanks, now i can play

[iron kayak]

Pvp info by dj: https://x.com/djsamwithers/status/1713718946426470871?s=46

Pvp info by scoriox: https://x.com/kingscoriox/status/1713742447791190092?s=46

[zenith bough]

And ModernLlama: https://x.com/llama_modern/status/1713706420015968470?s=20

[iron kayak]

Before the closed beta of the OW there were the same amount of leaks out all of sudden. And after 2 weeks they dropped the first build.

So maybe…

[zenith bough]

Be carefull getting your hopes up. I remember when they were just working on a few bits and pieces before they would show it off. This was back in March.

All good things will come in due time

[flat nova]

Its posible to play arena in the mobile some how? Or its totally imposible?

I m tft player but only play on mobile, me and my friends

[zenith bough]

Has to be done through your computer, and then stream to your phone via TeamViewer or a similar app.

[iron kayak]

https://youtu.be/1V9Esqxx_bY?si=WIHEkPSX8W1XgT9p

[zenith bough]

I am getting excited. 😃

@fallen vortex you said it didn’t look like there were a lot of strategies in pvp, but you had to play it to get a feel. Could you elaborate on this?

Like - did it just seem luck based or do the deck just decide the outcomes?

[fallen vortex]

So part of the problem was I only saw 3 battles

The first 2 were very one sided and the third was a lot more even

But in every case the first round seemed like a very heavy influence. However with the short timers and not being able to make the decisions or build the teams myself I had very much an onlooker perspective

So without building the deck myself or going through 10+ games it's hard to see the strategy side of the game for myself. A lot of the strategy was baked in by the individuals playing

To me it looked like one person played turn 1 very very well and the other person had to make a risky or very lucky play to even up the game again

But turn 1 is highly dependent on the decks and deck reveal as well. So technically turn 1 isn't luck by any stretch

[smoky python]

Who did you watch play?

[zenith bough]

Very interesting.

[fallen vortex]

I rambled a bit but I hope that's okay

[fallen vortex]

Im not sure im allowed to reveal that. Lemme ask

[zenith bough]

If it’s dependant on the deck and not player decisions, I would call that luck though

[smoky python]

I wouldn't call that luck. Just something with a low skill cap.

[fallen vortex]

We can have this specific discussion elsewhere if you'd like but im not going to have it here.

However as I said the third game was much much closer. I think the players were using the decks they were most comfortable with at the time.

So it seems like there was a little bit of testing out different strategies during rhe games I watched.

Kinda like trying a hearthstone deck for the first time

[zenith bough]

It’s (highly) random if you get a good deck vs. your opponent. Randomness = luck IMO

[fallen vortex]

It felt very high risk. Eg one player loved rogues. If he correctly predicted his opponent with his turn 1 rogue placement then it's a tricky spot for them to come back.

Also a lot of things like moving and selling illuvials may become easier to do. It will fix that

What I just realised is skipping turn 1 could be a broken strat

Take 120 damage for an unequivocally better position

[zenith bough]

Predicting your opponents moves are highly skill dependent.

[smoky python]

Not if its a simple left side versus right side choice

[fallen vortex]

Yes that's what I am saying. I wasn't as invested In deck reveal so it's difficult for me to gauge as an outside perspective

[zenith bough]

Yeah. Team could implement a 2X damage if all Illuvials survive, to counter this (not so fun) strat.

[fallen vortex]

Thatd be cool

But yeah take my thoughts on the game mechanics itself with a grain of salt please.

Without being in the driver's seat I think I am missing a lot of info

[zenith bough]

It’s low skills then 😉

[zenith bough]

Sure sure, just nice to get a peek into the pvp rules.

Hoping deckbuilder gets opened soon

[fallen vortex]

I will say that the turn to turn decision making was actually pretty awesome

That was especially predictive. Like in one instance there was an invoker at the front cause they correctly predicted heavy rogues.

Then the decision was do they double down with it on bulwark incase their opponent drops some fighters up front. Or do they predict the opponents prediction and do something else

[stray gull]

I'd agree, most of us are shit-house currently

I think the skill cap is quite high - there is quite abit of depth in deck creation, fighting for legendary augments, omegas/hyper, positioning, class & affinity synergies etc.

You would have seen a pretty basic 1v1 given only a small group are particularly skilled, having sunk 100+ hours into the game so far.

What decks did you see @fallen vortex ?

[fallen vortex]

There was the invoker deck from z.

Tarrens rogues and caradulo. And I forget what the third was, I think it was heavy water and dualeph

I actually really enjoyed the legendary augment strategy. Added a surprising amount of depth to the game

And I admit it was kind of like watching a few people who are new to a game play each other. But moreso cause they were using new decks to an extent

[stray gull]

Yeah, I'm still learning my one deck

Seeing some of the decks Kyle and others are coming up with get's me pumped to master this one and move on to other affinities

[zenith bough]

Do you think deck building will be different from other card games where a Meta establishes after some days and the deck building is "solved"?

[mighty tulip]

@stray gull is there a punishment for quitting a match early?

My concern is on deck reveal some may instantly quit if they believe the opponents deck hard counters theres.

[smoky python]

I imagine that would count as a loss

[mighty tulip]

Yeah I'd like to see a timeout penalty too. Certainly after multiple quits in a short time.

[bronze canopy]

No altf4 rage quitting allowed?

[smoky python]

You dont need a penalty if it counts as a loss

It's not like a MOBA where you are affecting your teammates by quitting

[brazen quarry]

What ever they decide, somebody will write an IIP and think his / her idea is better

[opaque cape]

wave 38 rekt me

fun little jpp run though

its probably beatable, might be a 40 day, will try again in a couple hours

[brazen quarry]

Haha I was waiting for this exact post 😄

[civic grotto]

I feel that PvP is very very close. Will we get a seperate chat dedicated to it?

[rain coral]

Probably this chat will be used, since PvP is a feature of the arena

[civic grotto]

We might need one seperate where we can talk sh1t without concenquences 🙂

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/actions-have-consequences-bertram-fillcot-why-women-kill-repercussions-watch-what-you-do-gif-22397112

[stray gull]

Correct yeah

[flat nova]

Pvp should be out soon right? Like one month or something like that?

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[zenith bough]

These are some of the latest comments I have seen: #🎮〕illuvium-arena message and #💬〕general message

[opaque cape]

rather boring comp options today

[vernal bloom]

maybe i can make it interesting then 😉

[opaque cape]

pffff why

now i have to do another run

i really didnt want to

😄

will try in about 2 hours, enjoy first for now 😄

[vernal bloom]

haahha i will 😄 good luckk !

[opaque cape]

uhh my game just closed down with an error and no active run showing...

whatever, you can have it 😄

i was gonna go with steam/revenant now

was that the comp you used

[twilit storm]

who knows

[upbeat willow]

Well, I couldn't get past 36, so this'll have to do. No time for another run today.

[vernal bloom]

Nice run vana ! 🔥🔥🔥

[cerulean estuary]

Hey, everybody.
Can you tell me when pvp will be released? Me and my friends are already waiting for it)

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[zenith bough]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[tulip tiger]

Hello friends. I hope everyone is well today.

[edgy bough]

PVP soon fren!

[tulip tiger]

Let's gooo

[bronze spire]

is there a max on mastery points interest?

[worldly jolt]

No. Well I don’t think so.

[smoky python]

No max

[upbeat willow]

No theoretical max, only limited by how much points you can save and what wave you can reach

[bronze spire]

thanks!

[tulip tiger]

What's your max bro. 👀

[west plume]

I wonder what’s going to be the meta in ILV-PvP

Being able to handpick Illuvials and Augments for them should enable hyper carries more than e.g. TFT does, but being 1v1 would allow for more direct counters, but minimal positioning rng benefits hyper carries as well in theory.

Will give it two minutes

https://x.com/viper_ilv/status/1715051169381241260?s=46&t=_162LfDX7Pl5brRIuSRWEQ

Iam going to stick to my “meta”

[zenith bough]

Hopefully we will avoid everyone playing the same 8ish units with fast updates.
Will mean team has to speed up the update process significantly though

[limpid gale]

enough for first day playing

[west plume]

How did it go?

[edgy flower]

15 min? sounds so long kekw

[limpid gale]

13th or smthing

but i didnt save my score i didnt know how it works lol

[safe valve]

Not too Bad for a first Day 👍

[west plume]

i got to 12 on my first run,lost focus in general chat and lost:=)

i lied i got to wave 11

[limpid gale]

gz)

[zenith mortar]

I mean it’s really no fun playing the best comps every time and I’m sure if someone is you’ll be trying to find a Comp to beat it

[opaque cape]

i was working at the same time

but im really very very bored with pve atm, can barely force myself to do 1 run daily

waiting for pvp, need to wait faster 😄

[supple cave]

well, it might not be fun playing the same comp every time, but if there is a meta comp that wins every time, you will play it every time

[zenith mortar]

Yeah I’m just saying in the beginning I see ppl changing comps often

And once there is a meta found maybe that needs fixing, I’m not a game dev though 🤷

[supple cave]

what will really be totally awesome is the open beta, when we will catch, lvl up and use our assets, fuel etc

we will get attached to OUR creatures hehe

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/beginning-to-believe-gif-20796223

[supple cave]

hehehe, not beginning. Long time believer here

[zenith bough]

Yeah. This is going to be very addicting for the overworld. Not sure it will have same impact in PvP.

Looking forward to it so I can start a proper Overworld grind though. 😄

[zenith bough]

Yeah, that's how it usually plays out. Will be interesting to see where the dust settles. Did you get a good comp to play with?

[zenith mortar]

Yeah the ones that were broken at first lol

and then other people found the broken ones after the fix

I need to find another broken one hahah

[zenith bough]

Always 1 cycle behind. 😂

[supple cave]

you guys that have been playing nonstop should share what are the current winning comps so everyone begins with the same knowledge

[civic grotto]

Just because they have been playing a lot, doesn't mean they know which the winning comp is. 😁
@zenith mortar You hear that sound? I'm coming for you! I will have my revenge! 🔥

[zenith bough]

I would like the meta to settle first

[opaque cape]

dont worry guys, ill settle the meta fast

[zenith bough]

With what comp?

[opaque cape]

no idea, would have to see the balancing changes for pvp first

and understand how long a match takes in rounds

[zenith bough]

7 rounds

[opaque cape]

isnt that the maximum?

could end as soon as 3 or 4?

[zenith bough]

Yeah. You end when you have no more life

[opaque cape]

but you deal damage based on your remaining MP right?

[zenith bough]

Yes

and start with 1,000 HP

[opaque cape]

feels like playing big unit might be good then

more chance of them surviving

[zenith bough]

Think it will be worth to tank the first 2-3 rounds to get a perfect comp, and just tank the lifes in beginning

Not sure life matters that much

1,000 seems like a lot

[safe valve]

Not if your 2 chunky tanks get knocked down from 6 lowkey fighters or whatever

[opaque cape]

1 sear with 2 augments probably beats 5 baby dokas

[safe valve]

Is there an overloaf mechanics after a certain amount of seconds?

[opaque cape]

with thorns or something

[opaque cape]

if its 1000 and you take 1:1 gold cost damage

imagine dualeph + 4 empaths survive the round

[safe valve]

That wasn't the point... But yes you are right

[opaque cape]

• augments

thats like 400 MP alive, so 400 dmg?

if only a 180 cost rhamphyre lives, 180 instant dmg?

[zenith bough]

You start with 150 MP per round wight?

so, 150, 300, 450

900 life in total

assuming max damage

[opaque cape]

isnt it increasing?

so start with 150, then gain like 200 then 250

mind you i have no idea what im talking about, but feels like the increase should be increasing

to get the augments in there somehow

[zenith bough]

I feel like I saw this somewhere.

Can't find it right now

[safe valve]

I feel you get more starting MP... But who knows.
Never saw that leaked how much MP there is AT Start or you get over time

[opaque cape]

but yeah there's going to be a lot of factors that decide the optimal strat

[zenith bough]

I wonder if it's a tie after round 7

[opaque cape]

i doubt it, should keep going till there's a winner

[zenith bough]

But why have 7 rounds then

I mean, something must happen in/after round 7

[opaque cape]

then its probably not possible to have a tie after 7 rounds

too many MP on the board where someone loses

how do we know its a 7 round max?

[zenith bough]

In the leaks they have this

[opaque cape]

maybe it keeps going more to the right?

[zenith bough]

No

Everything starts grey in beginning

[opaque cape]

well but look how there are 9 fights there

[zenith bough]

YEs

[opaque cape]

card 3 fights card 3 fights card 3 fights

[zenith bough]

Just think it's an early leak

Oh well. So many unknowns

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/into-the-unknown-willow-ufgood-willow-into-the-abyss-into-a-mysterious-place-gif-27034191

[zenith mortar]

We’ve seen 9 rounds now

[coarse echo]

There's no max. Fight to the death.

[zenith bough]

Thanks for correcting me on that

[zenith bough]

Have you locked in the rules now? Would be fun to read.

[coarse echo]

Can neither confirm nor deny. Sorry. You'll know when you know.

[zenith bough]

That’s true for most things. Thanks though.

[limpid gale]

lol this guy on 1st is beast

how can post screens?

[safe valve]

Try steam water slayer bullwark.... Very strong, maybe even a wave 40?
Came to 29 without checkpoint usage

[safe valve]

I think you have to be lvl 5 in discord to send screenshot

[limpid gale]

thx, i got to 32 wave with air water wildfire phantom

anyways i could do more , was my fail

[limpid gale]

thx for inf

still didnt learn a lot of spells lol, just my 6th game

how may i obtain a ranger role?

[west plume]

What? How long have you played?

6 games?

How can I suck this hard after a year

[safe valve]

Thats awesome for a second Day mate 👍

[limpid gale]

lol, i got 1500 hours in TFT don't panic

[west plume]

Thank god

And good job

[safe valve]

You can Click the Ranger to equip weapons and if you Click the little + on the Ranger and on an illuvial you can adapt class and affinity of the illuvial.
So for example if you Bond it with the little penguin and put firesword on her, you have a steam slayer ranger

[limpid gale]

do you mean discord ranger role or what?:)

[safe valve]

Ah lol

Need to be lvl 5 for Ranger in discord.
You get exp with every message you do

You can Check rank in #👑〕bot-commands

[opaque cape]

if my cuck casts there its probably a win

had a 1st place with +7 score but took checkpoints and killed less on that wave

but dont care enough anymore to rerun

[safe valve]

You can't give up just a month before pvp!
Hold the Line mate

[limpid gale]

thx

[opaque cape]

i have nothing left to prove in pve

[safe valve]

We'll wasn't that the case half a year ago already?

[opaque cape]

always was and always will be

[vernal bloom]

Hmmmm 1 wave more or it doesnt count?

[opaque cape]

its probably a 40 if i run it again

its literally just 1 cast from cuck there and win imo

[vernal bloom]

i had no cuck so.....

also 1 run

but i would like to see the 40 run imo

[vernal bloom]

great run tbh

[twilit storm]

nobody is not even shitposting here...beware...desert is lifeless

[tulip tiger]

nice run 🙂

[vernal forum]

The calm before the storm.

[west plume]

Are you saying PVP is dropping this week?👀

[safe valve]

10h left on a sunday for me.
I doubt it 😂

[west plume]

Imagine the joy waking up Monday morning with the announcement it's out😃
That will be the least productive home office day I have had in long time😆

Just looking forward to play with the community

I have Fubar,Jag,Crystal and Peter lined up.

I can win 3 of those

Or I should

Maybe like 50/50

Will probably lose them all.
Crystal will use Psyops to win.
Jag will pay Viper to help him
Fubar is actually a TFT champion
Peter is just Goat.

[edgy flower]

eheheheh

[twilit storm]

no streetcred sorry

kidding....nice run hetbonhe /respect

[opaque cape]

disappointing

finished my 1st run, no checkpoints used, JPPed it up to wave 35 or so

dont look at the kill count lol

i wasnt playing rhamphyre, had no dmg

[twilit storm]

that s a nice score

you let them die by boredom aight

[opaque cape]

old age

[drowsy blade]

Someone have some tips for ilv arena ? I mean I can’t win the wave 14 , i retry like 10 times using other champions . Someone can share a tips please ?

[safe valve]

Can't remember exactly, but i think i played 5 water in the early waves

[drowsy blade]

Then you resell ?

[safe valve]

Very late i think i Sold 1 to put in ramphire

Had something Like 3 bullwark 2 Frost 4 water and a ramphire... Can't remember exactly

Wasn't optimal for sure, but let me climb further than 14 🙂

[twilit storm]

@drowsy blade this comp can handle 14

[tulip tiger]

check out #899655780033261639 there are some helpful guilds out there. 🙂

[halcyon nova]

thats me every time grant "announces" his teams beautiful Art and sound ....dives me mad ...lol

[opaque cape]

its a wasteland out there

very boring deck today, no options, forced to play rhamphyre

[smoky python]

When retirement?

[opaque cape]

this is retirement

play 1 game per day, take first and run

[vernal forum]

I didn't play Rhamphyre, I'm also not beating 33.

[vernal forum]

Did a second run for the Phantom event cause I always forget to screenshot.

[opaque cape]

a 2nd run that took you 35 minutes to not even 1 up?

[brazen quarry]

You really getting better at reading 👍

[vernal forum]

Somebody big mad he got beat. I was chatting with friends during the run.

[opaque cape]

also stop posting fake screenshots of the postgame screen

this is the real score, and im gonna go beat it right now just cause you piss me off 😄

[vernal forum]

:shocked pikachu:

Also, the screenshot was made for Phantom according to their stated rules and has nothing to do with your (non) sensibilities.

[opaque cape]

then post it there and use the correct one here

[vernal forum]

No.

[opaque cape]

k, next hype added to block list

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-big-hug-hugs-hugging-group-hug-gif-24237876

[opaque cape]

now someone explain to me what that 60 min timeout was for

[past mica]

So betty can slight your reading comprehension, soda can call you insensible, and you get timed out after blocking and disengaging? This is a competitive game, there will be rivals that will trash talk each other, if you're going to be treating people like children and showing biases you'll lose people. That timeout was abuse of power. Smartass did the right thing to block and move on, he shouldn't have been punished afterwards.

[west plume]

Everyone feels better after a hug

[past mica]

@umbral oracle I'd like you to look at this so you can provide some corrective action to the person who issued the time out. I've seen too many games fall apart because of abusive/biased moderation, would hate to see that happen with such an amazing brand.

[safe valve]

Don't think that's his job and he's certainly more important stuff to do

[past mica]

Ok, who moderates the moderators? I'm sure if Kieran knew a moderator was causing potential damage to the brand he would want to be aware of it.

Please tag the appropriate person if you wouldn't mind Dr.

[safe valve]

If he really thinks it was abussive use of power, i think he knows he can figure it out with #❓❓〕support

[past mica]

Thank you

[limber scroll]

I think the bot got you because of the long post that you made in the #1020759212172775464 channel. It wasn't a mod. That's what I can tell you.

[past mica]

Hey I appreciate the response, this isn't about that. If you scroll up a little you'll see a recent conversation between betty, soda, and smartass in which a timeout was unjustly given to smartass.

[limber scroll]

Oh ok sorry for the misunderstanding. Please report to #❓❓〕support as @safe valve said.

[opaque cape]

there does seem to be a different ruleset for different people

if i said the stuff some other people say to me, i would be insta timed out, not that i care since i dont value most peoples opinions, but still, there is a principle in there somewhere

[hollow citrus]

", not that i care since i dont value most peoples opinions" ..

[opaque cape]

whats the problem with that?

[hollow citrus]

Respect

[opaque cape]

respect has to be earned

[hollow citrus]

no

[opaque cape]

you dont get respect just for existing and having bad opinions 😄

[hollow citrus]

you don't get to chat freely in the discord if you lack respect

[opaque cape]

obviously there is a line

but you cant force someone to respect someone else

[past mica]

So then surely the other 2 offenders of this rule were timed out?

[opaque cape]

not giving respect and being disrespectful are two completely different things

[past mica]

Otherwise the rules are a joke if it's selectively enforced on people you don't like.

[hollow citrus]

Moderation cases are private between each individuals and the moderations team. You don't know if any other action was taken

[opaque cape]

i do know, cause they were still able to react with emojis

[past mica]

No problem, my support ticket is already finished, if they weren't timed out support will know.

[limber scroll]

Support doesn't tell you who got a timeout and who not. Like Jeremy said above.

[opaque cape]

so jeremy was it you who gave me the timeout?

[bronze canopy]

unlikely

there is someone whos trigger happy

i got more warnings the past two weeks than the past 3 years

tenfold

kekw

[opaque cape]

cause there's an anti xborg bias going on

[bronze canopy]

it is what it is

we are quite an opinionated bunch

[opaque cape]

yeah it's rough when you arent allowed to express your opinions if the opinions have some sort of critique in it

[past mica]

I'm not asking them to tell me, I'm asking someone to issue corrective action to the mod who abused their power, mods should be thick skinned, not sensitive, this is a discord channel where people will be competitive, be ready to ban half the player base if you expect mass adoption yet will ban people so easily.

[opaque cape]

despite them being well meant and trying to make the game better

[bronze canopy]

imagine gamers who are politically correct

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

MY FELLOW HUMAN BEING OF UNNASIGNED GENDER, THAT WAS QUITE THE SLAPPER OF A MOVE YOU MADE

CHEERIOS

[opaque cape]

now you're gonna get a time out for all caps, cause screaming isnt allowed, its disrespectful

[bronze canopy]

one more one less

at this point i get them daily

nothing changed in the way i communicate in this discord

it is what it is

[opaque cape]

i barely see you type in here, where are you active?

[past mica]

Imagine TylerONE or XQC comes in here and gets super competitive in the game, mods are really gonna ban them because of "disrespect"? Come on, this game is never going to survive if mods are really like this here.

[bronze canopy]

token kek

[past mica]

The number 1 thing I've seen destroy games and communities in the web3 space is bored, biased moderation staff.

[bronze canopy]

just imagine if sjud and jag were not unbanned

discord deadge

[opaque cape]

well if it's the only bit of powers some people have in their lives, it can go to their heads pretty fast

you see it everywhere, reddit etc

[bronze canopy]

the most obvious troll came into general, trolled half the chat, i trolled him back, i got 2 warnings, he got pampered for 3 hours

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[opaque cape]

you're supposed to turn the other cheek

[bronze canopy]

i did and they slapped the second warning

[opaque cape]

eye for an eye

[bronze canopy]

its comedy at this point

[opaque cape]

moderation is very biased, never thought i'd say it, but it's even worse than when fraggy was modding

[bronze canopy]

fraggy at least got the jokes

these days its WHAT DID U SAY?

throws in chat gpt essay on why what you said is bad

[opaque cape]

ah the good old weaponized autism

[bronze canopy]

careful

i got warned for using the word autism

[past mica]

I'm going to write up a proposal in the feedback section when I'm out of work later this week, I really don't want to see Illuvium go down this path, and if it's already been happening then I'm worried about how many people have already left because of the unchecked abuse of power and biased moderation.

[bronze canopy]

its deragatory apparently

[opaque cape]

lol why? that seems disrespectful to autists to not recognize them

[bronze canopy]

because why not

also

dont use the word " t . i . e . r 1 land"

[opaque cape]

i for one love autists, they are simpler people to talk to

[bronze canopy]

im just sharing what i have learned

[past mica]

I filed my complaint to support, I recommend you guys do too if you're unhappy with the action that was taken. We have to call this out when it happens otherwise they'll continue their bad behavior.

[opaque cape]

whats wrong with saying tier1 land? isnt that how they classified it themselves?

[bronze canopy]

apparently if you do any jokes about tier 1 land its disrepsectfu

because you assume those people are poor

since they dont own t2

or smething

[opaque cape]

poor???

its like 500$ for a piece of nothing

if you can afford that youre easily in the top 1% worldwide

[bronze canopy]

again its out of context moderation

the same troll was going about dont assume my gender

as a land owner i demand to know

bla bla bla

i said t1 doesnt count

BAm

get warned

[opaque cape]

damn, its worse than i thought

thats just a nice comeback

[bronze canopy]

I KNOW RIGHT

anyway

arena amarite

haha rank 1 guys

lets go hype

[opaque cape]

"soon"

[bronze canopy]

haha s00n™

wen pvp XD

[opaque cape]

when crabs whistle 😄

[past mica]

I don't think they realize how many gamers/investors they lose when they ban 1 person. That 1 person will now convince their entire circle of family and friends that this game sucks all because they were selectively abused here in discord. These moderators are costing the brand a lot of money, which is why I tagged @umbral oracle , someone said it's not his job, but he is the one who sees the bigger picture when something like this goes down. I don't expect a community helper or moderator to understand the perspective of a business owner (as I also am). A loyal gamer is a brands number 1 value piece when it comes to marketing, they'll either get people to play with them, or tell people to stay away. Mods making the decisions for people is likely something the CEOS of this company ought to be aware of. Anyone know who specifically is in charge of hiring mods?

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[opaque cape]

not just a player, im the top 1 ranked player on leaderboards since pb2 came out, for more than a year now

i get tons of people messaging me saying they see whats going on

but people are too scared to speak up in the chats cause of the culture here

[past mica]

That's because you guys have fostered an investor atmosphere here, not a gamer one, unfortunately.

[bronze canopy]

wasnt i rank 1 for a few months

then retired and gave you the spot light

and wasnt sjud before that

[opaque cape]

sjud was until i came in

[bronze canopy]

when we had a gamer atmosphere, we were still getting shushed

[opaque cape]

you were for a bit in pb1

[bronze canopy]

because we were bantering a lot

[opaque cape]

thats an interesting take, hadnt thought about it that way yet

[bronze canopy]

im pretty sure i was rank 1 in pb2 as well

preeety sure

wer stats

[zenith mortar]

Doesnt it work both ways? We have had several complaints about people in this chat in particular and said they don't wish to be apart of the project anymore because of these types of interactions

[opaque cape]

nah, i still have the screenshots of pb2 end ebfore the geyyser patch, my 1st 😄

[opaque cape]

players or investors?

[bronze canopy]

is geyyser the pb2 patch?

[zenith mortar]

Both

[bronze canopy]

cause i didnt play that one'

[opaque cape]

no self respecting player will stop playing cause of a little banter

[past mica]

Then you encourage people to use the block system. Mods aren't here (or shouldn't be) to wipe the asses of adults, people can be big boys and block the person making them cry, it's a simple solution. Mods should exist to remove illegal content, not micromanage conversations and worry about how people are feeling. People are adults, they don't need protection when they can just block.

[zenith mortar]

Thats a sweeping generalisation

[past mica]

Just like Smartass did.

[opaque cape]

if anything it makes them want to play more and be better to prove a point

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hogan-nodding-nod-yes-yup-gif-13973219

now thats my man

i just block the annoying people

and move on

w o w

[past mica]

Fun fact; the block feature makes discord a more decentralized solution, people can choose what content they want to see and don't want to see

[opaque cape]

same, i blocked entire hype by now and live in peace

[zenith mortar]

So new people enter, see these interactions, are told "well just block them" lol... we allow whatever to go, just block ppl

[opaque cape]

define "whatever"

[gritty wren]

are hype and xborg rival gangs?

[opaque cape]

did you see the convo we are talking about now, that gave me a warning?

[bronze canopy]

nah, we just banter a bit

a bit 😉

[opaque cape]

we are both gangs, but not really rival

we arent on the same skill level 😄

[west plume]

PVP fixes this.

[bronze canopy]

will it tho

[opaque cape]

i literally challenged entire hype guild to play against me 10v1 on deck reset for money, they dont want to take the bet

[west plume]

it will atleast humble one side or the other at times.

[bronze canopy]

either way these guys gonna smoke nervously when koreans start playing

or wait is that somehow racist

[opaque cape]

im waiting to be humbled 10v1, they dont want to

[bronze canopy]

id word it as "enrage"

https://tenor.com/view/rage-quit-gif-24545516

[past mica]

I think this is a much better scaling solution to grow the player base then the opposite which would be continuing the behvior that started this discussion. Nobody wants to live in a police state, this is a competitive gaming world, all the most successful games are filled with shit talk, ever played league of legends before? Imagine crying to a mod every time someone slights you instead of blocking them, the riot team would laugh at you.

[west plume]

Honestley, this is why iam looking forward to PVP, the entertainment value with the above chat channeld into a match. is awesome.

[west plume]

For one side yes😄

[opaque cape]

i mean i did get banned in league like 10 times

[zenith mortar]

Sure but do it elsewhere other than discord

[past mica]

and idk about you guys, but web3 represents freedom to me, what I witnessed above is the opposite of that.

[west plume]

Shit,just lost wave 6 because of chat

[opaque cape]

rich, see my above question

did the convo that i had that started all of this warrant a time out for me and not the others?

[bronze canopy]

Puma is absolutely right, why just channel all the more toxic and negative sides of chats between people into different discord and guild chats when THIS discord can be the epicentre of all of illuvium activity

[opaque cape]

i know you dont like me, but you seem to be at least partially fair

[bronze canopy]

people are toxic and negative a lot

[zenith mortar]

I'm not gonna discuss moderation actions, if you got muted there was a reason.

[opaque cape]

thats the whole dispute

[zenith mortar]

Doesnt seem like much of a dispute, continue to behave the way you do constantly and there are moderation actions.

[past mica]

This whole conversation stemmed from 10:51 AM.

[zenith mortar]

If something is getting you warned, don't do that

[hollow citrus]

you can be competitive and not be toxic. Games are banning people because at one point people just stop playing because of the toxicity

[opaque cape]

easy to say when you cant be bothered to even read

[zenith mortar]

Hawaii time?

[gritty wren]

and not every community is like league of legends or call of duty

[bronze canopy]

what % of people can actually be that way tho

[past mica]

EST sir

[bronze canopy]

i consider myself pretty chill and id smash my pc for a league match

[opaque cape]

i personally find it toxic behaviour when people post fake screenshots and try to look better than they actually are

so if i point that out to someone, now suddenly im the toxic one?

[past mica]

I've said my peace and filed my report, I need to get back to work, I just wanted to make sure my voice was heard since I love this game and saw something unjust happen. Thanks and have a great day everyone.

[hollow citrus]

you can smash your pc without being toxic or disrespectfull to people

[gritty wren]

if you dont care about toxicity, it will only get worse

[bronze canopy]

yeah... before the smashing there is /mute all, then i do an essay on how everyone sucks and then i smash my pc

and vow to never play again

and then im pretty chill

[hollow citrus]

you forgot the step about being muted from lol

[bronze canopy]

never got muted

written more essays than in university

i assume peole just mute me

and move on

[opaque cape]

ok its time to go take first place, this was interesting though 😄

[bronze canopy]

defintiely revealing

good luck

tho i guess you dont need it

(banter)

(not toxic)

[proven ember]

Entirely agree. Gamers pretending being asshats is a positive cultural phenomenon is ridiculous. Studies done at Riot and a few other big ones (overwatch maybe?) Showed that toxicity was a gigantic issue and was an actual barrier to entry

I've been pushing internally and to the councils for more strict moderation in our games and I believe that should also apply to our discord.

[opaque cape]

if you call anything and everything toxicity then its a moot point

[gritty wren]

what do you mean

just punish insults and rest is fine

[opaque cape]

anyone who doesnt like something can just mute and youre done

[gritty wren]

but who really does that? most people will insult back and so forth. and with this behavior you only have this toxcitity which gives a bad experience

[smoky python]

What a disgusting display of toxicity in this chat

I might never play Illuvium again

Mozart rekt Spoon

[safe valve]

he did 😐

[smoky python]

🤖

[proven ember]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2451958823000350

Spoons link minus Mozart reck

[past mica]

The toxic part is when one person gets muted and not the others. Also, according to this article, toxicity comes from obsessive passion, people will talk more trash when they're emotionally invested in a game that they're addicted to. The solution the triple A games provides has worked for them just fine for decades, billions of gamers come to play and only the cry babies who cant drop their ego and use the mute/block button leave, 2 clicks of the mouse and you can stop reading what someone is writing. You guys are moving in the opposite direction of decentralization by posting ADL articles and saying you're going to irradiate toxicity from competitive gaming environments. A very naïve, and dangerous take to try rewriting the psychology of gaming while the brand is attempting so much else.

Also, the above conversation wasn't even toxic, so who's to be the judge? Are you all agreeing that mods can't make mistakes because it really seemed that way with the replies I saw, there was very little investigation and lot's of assumptions, to me that is toxic mod behavior. Surely we shouldn't continue allowing thin skinned personalities to be in positions of power here. We live in a day and age where everyone looks for a reason to cry and be offended, which is an absurdly gross culture, and very damaging to a brand when they silence grown adults from speaking to one another. I can't believe not a single moderator or team leader has stepped in and said the above was unacceptable, it really shines a light on a core problem that Illuvium faces. I can't see you guys being popular in the United States if this is the way things are done here. The Chinese gov would love your discord though.

I demand respect in my professional and personal life, I've invested a substantial amount into this brand over the last year, but if I was muted for simple banter with someone who was asking for it then I'd sell it all based on my principals and tell my friends not to play it. We are ADULTS.

[opaque cape]

my new favorite member 😄

[past mica]

I've been in this space a very long time. When I tell you I've seen discords crumble over bad moderation staff, I'm not joking. This is just my data from Immutascan.

And I don't want to just sit here quietly and watch the same mistakes happen here (the best game in web3 by miles). If you guys want a big hit in the United States (I truly don't know if you care), then you have to stop with all the soy culture pc bs. It's not going to work here.

[opaque cape]

i thought usa was leading the whole woke movement

[past mica]

Nope, that's all fake news. The U.S. is a leader in influnce, which is why our media can make it appear that way. Real Americans hate all the woke bs.

[opaque cape]

i hate everything about it, all the snowflakes melting to every little thing, thinking they have a right to not have their feelings hurt, crying for their safe spaces

censoring speech while forcing others to indulge into their fantasy world

[past mica]

You ever heard the expression go woke go broke? American citizens financially ruin companies that try that shit here. Budlight has had all their products on sale for 80% off here for months. That's just one of endless examples. The companies that are doing really well here are the anti-woke companies that stick to traditional, and core American values, starting with free speech.

[opaque cape]

bud light ftw 😄

[smoky python]

Coors Light for life

Obviously I agree with what Puma is saying. Just have a mute button and /or a toggle to just turn off chat in game

[past mica]

This is a toxic message. There is 0 context. You need to quote the part you have a problem with if you're going to send these around to people, otherwise people can't figure out what the problem is. In my opinion, everything I've said is respectful.

I'm saying these things because I care about the company, this feedback is meant to be taken as constructive, so what's the issue?

Have a good night everyone.

[tulip tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/ohreally-fool-adam-sandler-billy-gif-19955708

i hope everyone has a good day

[lean ivy]

I have to stand up for the mod team and a lot of the players who no longer even come to this chat because of the constant shit talking and abrasive conversation... If you really have been here that long you used to know there was a healthy dialog of players learning how to play survival mode. We all enjoyed and planned stuff, players came here to chat about leaks and breakdown illuvials

Now its filled with 4-5 guys who think they are big shit...PVP is coming soon and this channel is more dead than beyond and i fully believe its because of the discord in here.

[umbral oracle]

Hey, appreciate you tagging me.

I had a quick look above and can't really see where the timeout occurred but I will have a chat to the mods and figure out if we are becoming too strict, I am obviously on the other end of the spectrum, crypto in general and to a lesser extent gaming is usually a pretty safe place for people to speak their opinion. Having said that we do need rules or it would turn into the wild west.

Let me speak to the team and come back to you 🙂

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

this guy was the most respectful in his feedback and get a warning

thats why i blocked that moderation bot

completely out of proportion

[smoky python]

Block the bot and never get warnings

Shabim just broke the system

[bronze canopy]

go woke go broke

[brazen quarry]

WHAT DID YOU SAY

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-monkey-shocked-mouth-open-gif-16459002

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/aw-shucks-gif-21150051

[smoky python]

Uhoh shabim in trouble now

Fraggy backread

[brazen quarry]

Nah who cares, just the 2 messages with my name in it

I'm sure it's fine for SA to say I have autism

[smoky python]

Rip Smart-ass

[proven ember]

Appreciate the response, I agree that toxicity is very subjective and that's a significant part of what makes this so difficult.

I don't have insight into the discussions of the mods but they historically do a superb job in the discord, and I find it unkind and ignorant to say they are thin skinned power obsessed when I think almost all evidence points to the contrary. I see you're very recently new to the community so perhaps you're making assumptions there. People who repeatedly are asked to stop, and yet continue with the same action are very problematic for moderation.

I firmly disagree that we should not be moderating our discord, there are plenty of other locations where people can behave in whatever way they wish. But this channel should be a place to discuss strategy, help new community members and to discuss game improvements. Not a place for a handful of people to endlessly spam puerile nonsense. We've seen this channel turn from a real asset into a brand negative dump.

[wide eagle]

Toxicity has always been part of gaming, especially competitive esports and sports in general aswell. A competitive game will always have toxicity, even more so in a 1v1 format. I can understand sportsmanship in rl sports, but to be offended online by someone you never met and never will is something I'll never understand.

People have all the tools to deal with the problem, mute/block the "toxic" person and problem solved. And yet they choose not to, complain to eternity and get people banned when they had all the necessary tools to deal with it themselves.

Obviously there are limits to this and certain behaviors do need to be punished but I haven't seen anything close to that in this chat, just normal gaming banter.

[upbeat willow]

Just because it's "always been a part of it" doesn't mean it's okay. That's basically saying "Everyone else does it, so it must be okay" which is a pretty weak argument.
Muting/Blocking doesn't solve the problem. It merely hides it for you, not for anyone else.

[wide eagle]

Define "problem". It's only a problem for one side, and they have the tools to solve that problem immediately. If they choose not to that's on them

[upbeat willow]

You already did in your post.

[wide eagle]

Never said it's a problem. Part of human nature

[stray gull]

Is there value in a separate channel for the bleeding edge competitive players and ladder ranking?

I think there is a place for an Arena Channel on our Public Discord that ensures new players can upskill and learn about the game as much as there absolutely should be a place where I can tell someone, "get rekt you're literally trash"

[smoky python]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[stray gull]

We should absolutely foster guild vs guild banter

[stray gull]

#the-sewers

Ha ha I dunno

[smoky python]

I think thats a good idea as long as you know... its not a trap to ban people

[stray gull]

Could it be gated with an 18+ disclaimer

Just thinking outside of the box, maybe we could throw a pop-up on it and have it be a free for all

[smoky python]

I approve

[upbeat willow]

Yes, I'd rather see a separate competitive arena channel.
And have one where people can actually ask questions and learn about the game, because that's not something I see in this channel recently.

[upbeat willow]

You specifically said: "People have all the tools to deal with the problem, mute/block the "toxic" person and problem solved."

[cerulean estuary]

good luck with the projects) the main thing is not to miss the bull, waiting for the launch of the game 😉

[smoky python]

I think he means what other people see as a problem not what he thinks is a problem

[wide eagle]

Yes their "problem", not problem overall. Sorry if didn't communicate it properly

[upbeat willow]

So one part of the community having a problem with another part isn't an overall problem?
Interesting take.

[wide eagle]

It isn't a problem cause you don't have to deal with it. People have all the tools necessary to fix that "problem". If they choose not to, that's up to them. Can't get people banned for it.

Again, there are exceptions to this.

Toxicity is part of every esport - dota, lol, cs, fifa etc. It's also part of rl sports. Humans are very far from flawless creatures. Everyone is at a different age, different mentality and dealing with different problems in their life. You can't just magically make people behave a certain way, this is a video game not a correctional facility.

Just implement fair rules, and tools to deal with it and it will be fine.

[stray gull]

Let's have two channels, simple as that.

Both arguments are valid

[limber scroll]

This all should be on #1020759212172775464 from the beginning on.
This is a big feedback and nothing for the #🎮〕illuvium-arena channel.
I would suggest switching to the feedback channel.

[stray gull]

Speaking to Kieran about an 18+ channel for sweaty ranking

[gentle bronze]

That’s just now how most people see the world. There is a large chunk of the potential “gaming player base” that would be very turned off by how some people act in this part of an official discord I can promise you that. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with (forgive me for even uttering this bs but it’s true) creating a “safe space” 🤮 for people to come and learn about the game. Seeing a bunch of negative nancies and toxic ass holes isn’t a great first impression. And that first impression is often the most important. Having a separate chat where I can call you all brain dead monkies who joined a worthless guild should be allowed somewhere because it’s human nature to trash talk. It’s also simply really fun. But idk if it’s appropriate to do it in a chat where new players are going to come in looking for information. That’s just my opinion tho 🦖

[brazen quarry]

Getting a bit mixed signals here

[gentle bronze]

Tldr I’m a toxic ass hole that wants a place to shit talk people in the discord but I think it’s really inappropriate to do it in this channel where new players will be flowing in asking questions. I think an 18+ channel is a really good solution because that shit talk should ironically be encouraged in the correct environment.

[wide eagle]

Discord is not so important, how the in-game chat moderation goes will be

[gentle bronze]

I actually feel strongly that it is the exact opposite

[wide eagle]

You think when people get tilted from losing they won't trash talk in-game but go to the appropriate discord channel?

[gentle bronze]

Muting someone in game is actually a good way to solve any toxicity in game because there’s only one other person you’re playing with

Muting someone on discord doesn’t make sense because it can easily break the flow of conversation and make it kind of worthless to be there in the first place

[wide eagle]

So you muted the person in-game but will go looking for them in discord? Most players won't interact here but only in-game

[gentle bronze]

Read my second message lol didn’t get it typed out fast enough

[wide eagle]

I did, still think most of the toxicity will be in-game and not here. By the time you reach discord you are already cooled off. Same rules apply too, if you find someone toxic just mute them or don't interact with them. You can still read their messages if you decide to

However I agree discord can be held to a bit higher standard, as it's a communication forum and not the game itself, should be kept cleaner

[limber scroll]

Can we please stop to discuss this topic in #🎮〕illuvium-arena . Please open a new thread in #1020759212172775464
Thank you

[brazen quarry]

So we can't talk about having in-game in chat arena in the #🎮〕illuvium-arena channel?

Also: #1023650034593570917 message

[smoky python]

LOL

[limber scroll]

It's not about the in-game chat

[smoky python]

We most certainly can discuss this here

[gentle bronze]

Guys just let him do his job it’s not that deep lol

[brazen quarry]

How many warnings did you get for the words you used few messages back?

[gentle bronze]

Wdym?

[smoky python]

I'm gonna guess 0

[gentle bronze]

What did I do?

[smoky python]

It's ok that you dont get it. We love you anyways

[brazen quarry]

Please don't spread misinformation

[gentle bronze]

Im still confused on what I did that was worthy of being warned

[brazen quarry]

I'm not gonna repeat the words cause I would get warned

[smoky python]

Jimbo is displaying such priveledge right now

[brazen quarry]

Anyhow, can't discuss this here. Let them do their job

Fun deck today?

[gentle bronze]

Are you talking about calling people ass holes? I was including myself in that and I’m friends with all of the ass holes 😅😂

[smoky python]

Dont know

[bronze canopy]

This is the whole point jimbo, sometimes you arent even sure what you could say that would warrant a warning/mute/ban. For some people its a bit edgy, for others its repulsive language. Its subjective, and enforcing and policibg subjectivity trying to base arguments on objective structures doesnt work that well. When i come into a discord and i see people having fun - pushing some limitts of normal face to face interactions through a chat room i feel more home-y, but someone coming in to ask a date of pvp never being in the discord at all could be shocked, its all subjective

[gentle bronze]

You can’t base social interactions a completely objective basis I agree but it is far more harmful for there to be no rules at all

[bronze canopy]

Its not black or white

[gentle bronze]

It can never be

Still has to be enforced

[bronze canopy]

What has to be enforced is the question

Cancle culture started out with good intentions im sure

Slippery slope

[opaque cape]

welcome to my life

everybody should know by now im one of the good guys and cut me some slack 😄

[gentle bronze]

We’ll just to be clear I didn’t actually get warned lol

For that anyways

[smoky python]

Obviously

[gentle bronze]

I did get warned for joking with that @cosmic heart guy tho

I’ll have to take a deeper look into this

[smoky python]

get rekt

[gentle bronze]

Making a joke about “finding your brain” and “tier 1 doesn’t count” all seems a little too far

[bronze canopy]

Nick has the most sophisticated solution

[smoky python]

Welcome to your safe space that you wanted Jimbo

Cant complain

[bronze canopy]

Just create a soy and non doy channels

[gentle bronze]

I’ll see what I can do but the problem is we already have a huge toxicity problem we go too far it gets worse

[bronze canopy]

🙂

[gentle bronze]

Not exactly how that works

[bronze canopy]

Watch me get warned for uding the word soy

[gentle bronze]

You almost make me want to take it back lol

[smoky python]

I've seen empty bottle of soylent on Jimbos stream before

[gentle bronze]

That was filled with testosterone I promise

[brazen quarry]

edit: nvm. Please stay on topic.

[cosmic heart]

Everything will be fine my boy, I got banned and timed out like 3 weeks

[smoky python]

Whatd you do?

[brazen quarry]

Might wanna delete this message. Admitting your previous account got banned will get this one banned again 😉

[cosmic heart]

I only have this account, I sent an email to the support and they decided to give me another chance

[brazen quarry]

Good to have you back

[past mica]

Toxicity is funny and entertaining. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words may never hurt me". You either had parents that taught you this or you didn't, I guess we can't all be lucky in life. Removing toxicity from the game removes part of the natural soul that gaming has, and always will have. If you want a hollow, fake ass discord, then continue to overmoderate. If you want an authentic discord, then I recommend you empower people through education to learn to use the free tools discord provides, it takes a split second to block someone, so a person can optimize the content they see over time. I don't think I've ever blocked someone in my life, and I'm not someone that gets influenced by someone elses negativity, it's called being a strong minded person, people can't grow to be strong minded if the world continues creating "safe spaces" everywhere. If anything when I see toxicity in a discord it gets me excited, because I know people truly care about the outcome of the game, which tells me right away that it must be a great game. When I don't see passion, then I don't get very excited. Watching 2 rival guilds talk smack to each other presents a super hype outlook for the games future, and removing that, and worse, punishing people for it, is mega lame/boring.

Either way, I'm all for an adult channel where mods only remove illegal content or content that could risk the server getting shut down. Would be nice to talk to people like humans without mods trying to dictate every part of the conversation, even as recently as Synix trying to push the conversation out of chat, I'm sorry but that's pathetic behavior from a mod and the comments show it's clearly unwanted. The mods make it seem like they're adults, and we aren't, and that is incredibly disrespectful.

@umbral oracle can we please get some clarity here? Was the timeout yesterday on @opaque cape , and the warning I recieved really warranted? If so I'll be happy to move on to another project but I'm hoping you can educate the moderators a little here. Kieran, you're very entertaining to watch because you yourself are a toxic person when you're playing, and nobody takes it seriously, it's all in good fun and it's part of what makes you YOU.

[tulip tiger]

I support this message

[zenith mortar]

Its just not realistic inside Illuviums discord, Hype or any guild could make a Toxic Home if they want and send ppl there just as easily

And then the entire Illuvium Discord isnt at risk

[bronze canopy]

Illivium discord, what is it? Is it an illuvium hub or a QnA chatroom? Hopefully the former

All kinds of interactions dhould be facilitated, not sent somewhere

[tulip tiger]

The "sound leak" we got the other day was littered with f yous and other toxic things... lol

[bronze canopy]

Ut either gets a lot of activity and eyes on it or it doesnt, and people either have 1 discord they sit at or 5

[zenith mortar]

Sounds like a TSG thing

Not saying that makes it ok

A channel where only 18+ can go? How do we gate that? KYC the entire server? That doesnt seem very decentralised?

[bronze canopy]

No need for kyc, just a warning

[past mica]

No, people shold have a warning that they cant cry to moderators and will have to use the block feature - completely decentralized experience

[zenith mortar]

Sorry but that just doesnt work

[bronze canopy]

Theres a reason token is popular and pisitive vibes channel is dead

[opaque cape]

people love competition and controversy

[zenith mortar]

Yes ppl love you guys for sure

[past mica]

The current setup now doesn't work

[zenith mortar]

I have constant dms about how much they love it

[opaque cape]

people do love me, you'd be surprised

its only a couple weak haters

that cant stand me being better than them

[zenith mortar]

much more than a couple

[opaque cape]

so instead of improving themselves, they try to take me out

how many of them arent either hype or phantom?

[zenith mortar]

and nothing to do with your game play in arena

[brazen quarry]

Lol if you would be a fun person to be around, they would support your #1 spot 😄

And cheer you on

[past mica]

Nah, when you're the best at something you have haters

[brazen quarry]

Ok thanks for explaining me how I feel

[past mica]

And you guys are completely disregarding our perspective, and choosing your own perspective, you're literally being hypocrits. Most gamers love the toxicity, but your pandering to your own personal feelings and saying everyone else is wrong.

[brazen quarry]

Isn't that what you are doing right now? 😄

[bronze canopy]

Most ppl love toxicity, snd wars and crime etc

Car crashes

[zenith mortar]

"Most"

lol

[past mica]

but there's a solution for my perspective, and it's to let people block people they can't help but cry about

[bronze canopy]

But hey sunshine and rainbows

Yea most

[zenith mortar]

You guys keep saying most

[bronze canopy]

Positive vibes chsnnel is dead

[past mica]

there's no solution to the other perspective other than bans and mutes, which is in itself super toxic and will lose you tons of players

[bronze canopy]

Gets as much messages in a month as token in an hour

[zenith mortar]

there is like 5 of you that do the same thing in here thats hardly most

[tulip tiger]

I post in there

[bronze canopy]

Pribably 50 times less thsn in here

More or less

But it doesnt matter amarite

[past mica]

You guys have clearly never played mainstream games if you don't realize most gamers are toxic, I guess it would make sense you would have the chat turned off

[zenith mortar]

Sometimes you only need 1 postiive comment to out weigh all the negative

[bronze canopy]

I just wanna throw my phone away

Whst did i just reaf

[past mica]

I'm toxic, and I'm also the friend in my group that everyone wants to play with the most

[tulip tiger]

You won't do it

[opaque cape]

you cant just call everything toxic

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-me-come-back-dont-go-gif-10255523

[opaque cape]

if i say im better than someone, its not toxic, its fact

[bronze canopy]

Thats classist

[opaque cape]

thats the benefit you get frmo being the #1 player

[bronze canopy]

All players are equal

[opaque cape]

literally everyone else is worse than you in the game

[past mica]

and based on what I've seen here, I don't know anyone, but I'd much rather play with smartass, sjud and shabim who will help me get better even if its labeled as "toxic", because I don't take what they say personally, I want to be good at the game, not be in a positive affirmation loop

[opaque cape]

so if for example i say that your comp sucks and you should play X instead, its actually providing help to someone, not being toxic

[zenith mortar]

gonna cost you

[bronze canopy]

A lot of time and fun

[brazen quarry]

These guys actually begging to be allowed to insult people?

[zenith mortar]

yes

when they already have a server of their own to do it in

[bronze canopy]

More like not be warned left and right

For nonsense

[past mica]

Luckily I'm a fricken adult with money that I worked hard for, have you guys ever watched NEACE on youtube? He is a toxic League of Legends coach, but people pay him because they can get over the toxicity and see the value in playing with him.

[brazen quarry]

Well the warnings are bs and depend on who you are

[bronze canopy]

Xborg = bad

[zenith mortar]

I actually like @zenith bough a lot, and nothing against any of Xborg in particular, I watched a lot of your streams Shabim

Some of their membership want to be the bad boys

[bronze canopy]

Theres fosho a bias, idk from whom

[zenith mortar]

so don't get mad when you get treated as such

[opaque cape]

yet you couldnt even be bothered to look for 1 second

to see if the warning was legit or not

[zenith mortar]

I was literally watching

[opaque cape]

and all those other times when i was "toxic" i turned out to be right

i called the pvp delay coming from a mile away

the absence of leaks told me all i needed to know

[past mica]

I'd even argue neace is one of the most popular league of legends coaches of all time, I have a feeling the people who would have paid for his coaching have nearly all left this server

[bronze canopy]

T1 best lol streamer for a reason

[opaque cape]

dr disrespect

such a nice and chill guy right, never flames

[past mica]

lmao

[zenith mortar]

sounds disrespectful, who is he

[edgy bough]

Plz don’t ever compare the 2 time champ to any players in here. He is above even you PB2 God

[opaque cape]

he would have been banned from here 10 times over

[bronze canopy]

The 2 timer

I just wanna be transparent

[edgy bough]

He wouldn’t still he whinging about it that’s for sure

[opaque cape]

you guys need to start understanding that all the stuff we complain about is because we see how the game can be better

i would bet you that i have the most amount of hours played out of everyone on the planet

[past mica]

See, when people aren't taking everything so serious the back and forth is fun and people can lighten up, it's not a good feeling to type a message and brace for impact wondering if karen is going to take what you said the wrong way.

[old lark]

Pretty big diff btw streaming and pvp with random ppl lol

[opaque cape]

i can tell you what is good about the game and what needs improvements

[old lark]

I’d be fine with an area with less rules but not the priority.

[opaque cape]

so if i cry about the leaderboard, how it's making people not want to play because it doesnt reflect who is better, accept it as a valid point

if i tell you that enchanter or toxic is too strong, you better believe it

if i correct people that their screenshot is fake and they should post fair ones, whats the issue?

[zenith mortar]

This is all opinion based

[opaque cape]

yes, thats like saying to magnus carlsen when he tells you that a bishop is better than a knight that its opinion based

while listening to some 600 ELO players instead

[zenith mortar]

Knight is better

see opinion

[opaque cape]

fyi knight isnt better, it depends on the position whether its closed or open, but thats not the point

the point is that the opinions on balance of 600 ELO players dont matter

[zenith mortar]

so your example was terrible

[opaque cape]

and should be completely disregarded

[zenith mortar]

because its based on opinion of positioning

[opaque cape]

you can ask 50 people that are on 1.5k elo what the best opening is and they could say kings indian

or you can ask 1 magnus or hikaru and he can say queens gambit or whatever

[brazen quarry]

Did Arena get an update? You guys talking Chinese

[opaque cape]

and their single opinion is worth 1000x that of the low ELOers

[past mica]

Another thing I want to address, is mods shouldn't be moderating English channels if English isn't their first language. They're WAY more sensative then they should be, and understandably so, they don't understand context and true meaning, they only understand what they know which is very limited to a native speaker.

[opaque cape]

if someone needs to operate on your brain, do you want 10 doctors that all are average ones, or a single doctor that knows everything about the procedure?

[opaque cape]

but yeah i dont know how else to put it, i have land/tokens/staked/most hours played/top 1 rank for a year... i cant be more invested in this project

so anything i say is only to improve it

[brazen quarry]

Most hours played with JPP? I don't think so

[bronze canopy]

And im arguing over this chatting thing not just to argue, its important

[opaque cape]

just stop taking everything as toxicism and use my knowledge

im literally giving it away for free

[brazen quarry]

Gotta sugar coat it ser

[opaque cape]

ILV as a company hires people to tell them stuff about balance and such that i am providing free of charge

while my knowledge is better than 99,9% of anyone out there

[brazen quarry]

And this is why people don't take you serious 🙂

[past mica]

And anotha one. Seriously, mods are the most toxic out of anyone here.

[opaque cape]

lol what for this time, i havent seen anything remotely close to a warning

[brazen quarry]

Calling mods toxic might get you another one

[past mica]

No explaination to what specifically I said to trigger someones feelings, just "be more respectful", horrible.

[opaque cape]

name 3 people that can beat me in this game right now

[safe valve]

One could say you had parents tought you to stay respectful, or you havent.
You should always try to see it from both sides and there are human beings, who aren't as strong as others in their mind.
You might find toxicity funny and entertaining, I don't... and for sure there are people out there who seriously get hurt in their mind.
Which also makes the block argument relatively weak, like when the other person blocks you, dmg might be already done.

What's the connection between toxicity and care? Can't see the link there.... a community have to be toxic to make a great game? wtf? 😅

I feel there should be ways for both parties, i like the idea of a "18+ channel" and being relatively strict in all other channels here in discord.
So it's a space where people of all ages and mindsets can inform themselves and the toxic kiddies can have their chanel where they can banter without limits.
You can't that really do that later ingame, so imo there should be solutions which helps both parties aswell even it might be difficult or impossible.
Maybe create a "blacklist" where toxic people get on, and if you create an account (also in profile settings) one can toggle on to automute everyone on that list.

[opaque cape]

that arent part of xborg

[brazen quarry]

I did have the same issue with my first issue, I didn't know what I did wrong

[past mica]

I got my finger on the sell button. I have thousands of live offers on illuvials and land right now that I'd be more than happy to withdraw.

[brazen quarry]

If that makes you happy, that's what you gotta do? Why would you let a mod stop you

[opaque cape]

well?

another investor/player gone

for what?

he didnt do anything wrong

he articulated his valid points in a decent matter

[brazen quarry]

"while my knowledge is better than 99,9% of anyone out there"
"that arent part of xborg"

well

Those 2 already don't add up. Stop exaggerating and maybe people would listen 🙂

[opaque cape]

it's not exaggerating, its facts

[brazen quarry]

It's not

Anyhow, how is the deck today?

[upbeat willow]

Some slightly tricky waves, but multiple lines of play

[opaque cape]

only wave 28 is hard

once i beat that i'll go first place

[brazen quarry]

I can't even remember if I played or not, it's been a long day 😄

[opaque cape]

but timing out puma is ridiculous

[hollow citrus]

This is not the place or the channel for these conversation, everyone has been asked to stay respectful and refuses to comply. If someone has an issue with their warning please contact support to log in a complain.

This is the arena channel, let's stay on topic now, this is a general warning

[opaque cape]

100% undeserved and shows he was right

nice strawman argument

whatever, im not posting in this channel ever again either

cya

[bronze canopy]

Same

[upbeat willow]

I should've put that in a spoiler I guess

[brazen quarry]

I always wondered, what is that pfp

[zenith bough]

Im always so positive. What’s not to like 🤓

[upbeat willow]

It's an Ecaflip, from Wakfu/Dofus

[edgy bough]

Someone should tell Puma you can’t buy or sell Illuvials yet

[brazen quarry]

Stop

[opaque cape]

last thing ill post here, @umbral oracle you just lost a 100k investor because of the imcompetence of the mods, do with the info what you will

https://immutascan.io/address/0xd6e58c48d2204f830ebd1c568c8662cdd0802f97

[west plume]

Genuine question, is there a decent video on arena tips and tricks?

[zenith mortar]

I think Paz had a pretty good session

on Illuvium+

[west plume]

That's in like Podcast format

[brazen quarry]

You can check #🎨〕community-content
I learned most from hanging out in voice and watching others play

[west plume]

Will check,thanks

[west plume]

Yeah, looking for something thats specific for arena and scripted

[brazen quarry]

I can't help you, I don't watch content creators. But if I see something I'll ping you

[edgy bough]

Highly recommended Illuvination (Paz) as Rich said

[west plume]

Have watched a few of his, enjoy his content.

[zenith bough]

Just get gut Lars. The recipe is simple

[edgy bough]

Yah me too. He’s a surfer and lives the van life..big fan.
You are top of my list for PVP launch Lars, let’s battle!

[tulip tiger]

mmm pvp soon 🙂

[brazen quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[zenith mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pvp-activate-gif-25764213

[west plume]

Do you play a lot?

[zenith bough]

(Say no)

[west plume]

Paz is awesome btw,

[tulip tiger]

will there be a PvP chat channel ?

[west plume]

Working on it, I know my shortcomings and know what to improve

[brazen quarry]

I kinda assumed it would be this one

[tulip tiger]

true

[west plume]

Need a clean PVP channel imo

Don't want people@to back read🤭

[tulip tiger]

i was thinking like looking for matches type deal

or people to play gainst

[brazen quarry]

Think that's called tinder

[tulip tiger]

you never know in open beta this discord is going to be a whole new beast

[edgy bough]

Played a bunch in PB1, this is my first auto-battler so learnt from scratch. Barely played PB2, been busy with ILZ

[zenith bough]

Oh. Are you like try Harding?

[west plume]

Yes

I do have a serious side as well

[west plume]

Your on Zejaq, bring tissues

Because of all the crying you will do

Best shit talk I had

[edgy bough]

😭😭😭😭

[west plume]

Sorry

[zenith bough]

Awesome! 😃 will be fun seeing you on the leaderboards.

[west plume]

So it's Peter , fubar and Zejaq

[zenith bough]

Crystal

[west plume]

She lied

[zenith bough]

She’ll get a computer

Np

[west plume]

Does not have a pc

Really