🎮〕illuvium-arena

[dark scaffold]

in your case Psion is turned off for scoriox, instead you are getting bonuses from arcanite

[turbid osprey]

oh yes obviously 😄 thanks @dark scaffold

[knotty zephyr]

So excited for the PB2

[dark scaffold]

so what you are exited the most xD to make it harder, checkpoints doesnt count 😉

[gentle bronze]

Can someone link me the stream that gives update on pb2?

[dark scaffold]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1552014990

[zenith bough]

Magma and spore good today

[turbid osprey]

archeleon is mvp

🍞

[gentle bronze]

You're the best @dark scaffold ty bud

[molten palm]

hmm gears are turning!

[zenith bough]

And make sure to have 3 bulwarks in to buff the ranger

[molten palm]

1 step ahead already lol

[brazen quarry]

@regal hinge Are you still here?

[regal hinge]

@brazen quarry yep :)

[brazen quarry]

If you want I can start the game and stream here in discord. Maybe you can learn how to beat 10? (if I can do it )

[regal hinge]

I don't know how to set up a stream :(

Alice is worried we're gonna get our arses kicked too..

[molten palm]

stage 11 now off magma spore

[regal hinge]

@brazen quarry yoe, is this a thing? Start a game for us? We're stuck on 10..

[brazen quarry]

I would stream for you so you can watch me play 🙂

[regal hinge]

Coolio!!

[brazen quarry]

Come to illuvium-voice channel

[brazen quarry]

could you mute your mic? You have a lot of sound going on

[regal hinge]

Done :)

@brazen quarry still running?

[brazen quarry]

Yes, where did you go

[regal hinge]

Trying to mute the phone without turning it off etc..

You guys asked for beta input: the shadow of the feather tail aardvark needs fixing, the said aardvark when fronted with another will teleporting to the enemy square, the background should get darker as the fight progresses :)

[brazen quarry]

I'm on wave 10 now

[regal hinge]

Wave 10 is fast!! How to beat the fast ones?

Rake got stuck in a corner just then.. muted it's powers..

Not cool :(

I "don't have permission to attach files" but I will gladly share a video of this with the mods :)

Such a good game, so awesome.. very few flaws!!

[turbid osprey]

Its called the rogue bug and its known. To avoid it be sure when you have 2 rogues on a side of the board the one more on the side is atleast 1 hex from the border and avoid lining up 2 rogues too when on the same side of the target @regal hinge

[regal hinge]

Otherwise I might die?

[turbid osprey]

It will get stuck on the wall until your other illuvial blocking him dies or does a omega where he dissapear

[regal hinge]

Yo!! Alice just beat wave 10!!

[turbid osprey]

Wich often result in a loss sadly but its easily avoidable

[regal hinge]

This game is rad!!

She just got to wave 11 :)

[solid spear]

Super fun so far. But I seem to suck. Can't really get pass level 9-10's. What should Iprioritize? Synergy? Matchups? How does Matchups work for something like Spore where I think it's Nature and Air? What would be the counter if any? I

[regal hinge]

Alice tactic is use 1 healer 1 tank 2 smart arses :)

[turbid osprey]

Focus on playing the good illuvials and positioning. For the hyper machanic you can go on illuvial master and see what counters what 🙂

[molten palm]

spore changed the game for me

that and magma

[turbid osprey]

they dont matter a lot at all

[molten palm]

40% damage reduction says otherwise

[turbid osprey]

No its 40% dmg reduction to the illuvial killing your spore illuvial for 6s. Doesnt matter at all almost

[solid spear]

oooo. good share. i did not know about illuvialmaster -- thanks!

[molten palm]

well it got me past lvl 9 and up to lvl 17

[turbid osprey]

your spore illuvials dont die before the game is already decided who will win almost ever

[molten palm]

when ive been struggling for days on just lvl 13 its huge for me

[turbid osprey]

its not the spore that did it its you, good job 😄

You were probably playing bad illuvials and playing spore made you play 2 of the best unit of the day + you are getting better

[molten palm]

nothing really changed other then my rotation and including spore

spore and healers gg

[turbid osprey]

im just trying to help and make you realise its not the spore itself but the units

[molten palm]

the units didnt really survive without spore tho

[turbid osprey]

spore doesnt do dmg reduction i explained it above

[molten palm]

then this game is just utter confusion and ill never understand it

spore makes sense to me why i survived so long and made it much further then usual

[turbid osprey]

Its only on 1 enemy when this 1 enemy killed a spore illuvial (that has spore activated) and its for 6s. Your spore illuvials are not units that die fast in the game due to their roles so once they die and someone has -40% dmg reduction for 6s you can already tell who will win if its not over yet and this effect most likely wont change the outcome of the game at all.

You just started to play give yourself a chance

[molten palm]

if only there was a tutorial that explained these things

cause all it does is confuse me lol

[turbid osprey]

Go on illuvialmaster website and you can find anything you want to know about the games

[molten palm]

i dont got much time in my day unfortunately and i jsut wanna play the game is all

i play for maybe an hour then i gtg do rl stoofs

cant wait til its easier to understand and work with it looks amazing so far

[turbid osprey]

it will just get more complicated. the more you play and interact with others the more you understand, you cant expect to know all the game within days

[molten palm]

i understand plenty its just the mechanics of the game that needs fixed up is all

understandable with new games

theirs always a huge learning barrier is up to the game to smooth out

telling a player to learn isnt fun have the game teach

just my 2 cents when it comes to game design 🙂

[turbid osprey]

Yes i agree on that, im pretty sure its something that will get beta as the game develops and comes out of beta

[coarse echo]

Game is in early beta. It doesn't teach everything by itself. You have to apply yourself if you want to learn and improve now, or it's perfectly reasonable to play without much thought, and accept that you may get stuck in situations that are passable with more knowledge.

[vernal forum]

Maybe we need an ‘easy mode’ for super casual players where you start with 100 extra mastery points at the start. For those not willing to put in the work to learn a complex game it might give them an opportunity to throw whatever illuvials look coolest onto the board and still win which seems to be what some people want.

[coarse echo]

I think the new casual mode in Pb2 will have unlimited checkpoints, so people can freely try out all sorts of board states without having to worry about starting over. It will effectively be "training mode"

[bronze canopy]

imagine people reaching 10000 wave

or does it still reset daily

would make sense

x.x

[gentle bronze]

Probably be best to reset daily eh?

Keep people from just copying others

[turbid osprey]

Decks will be different

No copy, no screenshot abuse & not rewarded to grind infinitly 🙏🏼

[dawn canyon]

Hey @humble hill any tutorial how make it? I tryin but i can’t do it!! Maybe i don’t understand something.

[candid horizon]

Let's go!

[rain coral]

1. Create a shortcut to the game
2. Right click the shortcut and select “properties”
3. Add –dx11 at the end of the target path the select “ok”

[worldly jolt]

Not playing has made me weak. Could not even beat 14. I’ll be back again for more later this week.

[humble hill]

I don't have any direct links or such but I think you should be able to find it if you google "how to start Unreal Engine game in dx11 mode" or something similar. This is not specific for Illuvium but works for all games made in Unreal Engine.

[molten palm]

damn only stage 10 today time to get ready for work

[vernal forum]

HI I try out for myself this game for 1 hour, i found it very difficult to pass stage 10,

[dark scaffold]

dzierski's feeling about you:
tomorrow you will get to 15, in 2 days you are 20+

[coarse echo]

1 hour is nothing. Give it more time, study and learn the game. It is not easy. Over time, you will improve.

[vernal forum]

💪 👍 thanks i wil try more this weekend

[fair hemlock]

Remember that the current beta is basically as hard as the game gets. The beta features end-game content with the most difficult-to-place illuvials.

The Open beta will be a lot more intuitive as everyone will start with T0s and T1s. Imagine a game without Titanor stuns, Dualeph shots, rhamphyre and Sear, who all are rather difficult to use and place around.

Obviously it will take tens of hours to get to the endgame content when the open beta is released so expect a similar amount of time to be required to master the beta (even when only a small number of features is available) 👍

[brisk dove]

guys pls someone tell me how to beat round 11, tried 5 times now

[coarse echo]

play good units, kill their good units

[brisk dove]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-20292436

[turbid osprey]

1000$ advice for free

[umbral glen]

Yeah, round 11 is a murdering

[compact pecan]

Loving the graphics, my kid found the move around camera keys. I love to get up close and watch the action.

[knotty zephyr]

Same

[vast flare]

I wish I knew of this solution a couple weeka ago lol

Instead I went out and bought a brand new PC - problem Solved!! 🙃

[rain coral]

look on the bright side, you have a new pc

[vast flare]

Great tier PC and runs ILV beta so smoothly. I planned to buy one before overworld, just advanced the timeline 😀

[brisk dove]

Thanks, crazy tactic..

[brisk dove]

yesterday i couldnt pass 11 today 22 in one shot

karma

[proven ember]

Hey guy - if you're a new player. Could you drop a reply to this message with any elements of the gameplay that you're finding too complex or that confuse you.

[bronze canopy]

the hyper system could be explained better (proximity, maybe some UI indicators for practice mode or smnt)

[fair hemlock]

A couple of people i saw that recently joined the beta. Could you please reply to Ben's message with any elements that you are finding too complex?

@crystal holly @glass hornet @weary drift @dawn canyon @compact shard @regal hinge

No offense Ben but I doubt a good number of people will read a hidden message like that :]

[winter perch]

Btw about the crashes, I have a Mac and I've had 0 crashes with ~50 hours of playing

[brazen quarry]

Same, game runs great on mac

[fair hemlock]

Ive had 13 crashes in about 80 hours of gameplay so definitely not bad!

[chilly jungle]

It's all quite a steep learning curve at the moment but once I've spent some more time figuring it out I'll put together some more specific answers for you.

[proven ember]

I don't want to do an announcement - but I'm hoping you folks will poke new players when you see them!

[zenith bough]

Can you see how Manu hours you have played?

[fair hemlock]

nah just a rough guess 🙂

[red hearth]

hyper system needs a tutorial

[molten palm]

I for one feel like I'm not getting enough economy to fight off the insane difficulty I keep facing when I hit stages 10-14. Like there are way too many monsters I have to face vs what I have. Perhaps a recommendation feature for counters in an easy mode to help better understand what counters what? I have so much going on in my day to day life games being too complex I tend to shy away from

[umbral glen]

Watching some of the better players on YouTube has helped a lot here. When it comes to mid/high levels, positioning matters more than anything, and not the classic positioning we beginners picture it to be. Gotta get creative, and if you're like me and don't have that creativity, seeing somebody else do it really helps.

That, and I was really undervaluing the hyper system. Getting a good illuvial hyper is like having two of them.

[turbid osprey]

This is very simple and conventional. Its a definition of play good units and kill their good units 🍞

[young willow]

Illuvial Master website has great resources. I literally learned everything about the game through it

[brisk dove]

I think there should be examples of what classes and affinities power do. “Gain grit and resolve” or “3 energy per sec”…. What does it mean in practise on the field while I am playing.. unless you played these games before, people don’t know what “omega power” is or what 500*OP means/looks like in practise..

…like actual images with arrows saying what’s going on..

[lyric river]

is the game optimized with the latest driver patch of yesterday?

[naive mantle]

i second this. descriptions are not good and don't look good, al though I already saw the team said they had an update for that. 🙂

[covert terrace]

@wintry cipher you had some feedback in #814313819185741845 , heres your chance to drop some more 🙂

[kindred hawk]

I third this

[unique moss]

Agreed! Ben did talk about how Private Beta 2 has an overhaul of all of the text we see there in game.
Sounds like we'll have a lot more information displayed 🙏

[high niche]

24 wave 🤯 🔫

[coarse pebble]

anyone else find it super annoying that the deck resets to the midpoint whenever a unit is recalled

[coarse echo]

right click the unit, then hover over the image

[coarse pebble]

oh ty

[coarse pebble]

would be nice to see hex grid and maybe a radius around units for range

another UI improvement could be instead of having the HP bars divided into 10 parts regardless of total HP, have each bar represent a set amount of HP so players can roughly gauge relative tankiness across the board

[quasi sage]

I'm not a new player but as a new player and even now I forget the mastery points of each character during the placement phase. It would be nice not to have to click and drag an Illuvial to see how much mastery points you can save from getting them off the board.

[eternal parcel]

Asides the crashes I am only concerned with restarting lv1 after u die on lv5🤭all over again.

I am using a Mac but my system kinda freezes a lil bit.

[worldly jolt]

Todays deck seemed super strong. I got 18 and then really screwed up the placement. I had been doing crappy placements pretty much the whole time though. But still made it into the leaderboard #8 at the time

[tribal glade]

I'll probably play a round or two once I'm done with lunch!

[worldly jolt]

Don’t try all empath after wave 5.

[tribal glade]

LOL

why would you even try that? 😛

[fervent barn]

Because lazers?

[tribal glade]

Ah of course! Forgive my noob sightedness hahahah

[fervent barn]

If we can add an on screen icon representing the synergy strength/weaknesses that would help out a lot of players

Or a tooltip letting players know that S1, S2, S3 Illuvials of the same tier don't stack.

[fair hemlock]

T1 t2 t3 -> stage one two and three of the same line.

Tier is the objective rarity of an illuvial line, while stage is the evolved form of an illuvial within a line.
A tier one atlas + tier 2 hydrolynx wíll get you two water affinity stacks.

[fervent barn]

Yep spot on, I said Tier when I meant Stage.

@fair hemlock love the work you guys are doing BTW

[fair hemlock]

We really appreciate it!

It is great to see more kind and active yellow names around as well

[brazen quarry]

Just need some purple ones now

[fervent barn]

Shoot me a DM, would love to see if I can do anything to help you all out. You're supporting out community after all

[fair hemlock]

Lol being on the council is tough 😂

[brazen quarry]

I'll let you know after next epoch 😏

[fair hemlock]

Psh shouldnt i be the one to let yóú know? 😏

[brazen quarry]

Garf going for council? 👀

[fair hemlock]

Maybe one day 🤣 Im certain there are not more than one or two handfuls of community members who know more about the game than me... but putting that knowledge into practice will require some more years of experience. :)

[brazen quarry]

You can be my advisor

[fair hemlock]

We'd make a great team

[brazen quarry]

We already do!

So, what wave did you get too today 👀

[fair hemlock]

Like i said, it will take years of practice to actually use that knowledge for good. I havent played today but i think id lose at wave 10 :D

[smoky python]

Did you hit 30 yet Fraggy?

Todays the day to do it

[brazen quarry]

lol no

[bronze canopy]

today easy 30 day? okay 1 try

[brazen quarry]

I never made 30, I guess I had a bad coach

[bronze canopy]

or too good of a coach, expecting too good of a result from his student

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-dot-dot-dot-stick-figure-intresting-gif-23376515

[smoky python]

Not a coach out there that has had more clients reach 30 than me

[fervent barn]

It's definitely fun, haven't had a chance to try the climb in a while. Lets see where I land

[smoky python]

Beat Shabim

and he'll do 100 leg extensions

Are you guys talking in chat? I cant hear anything

Did my discord break

[brazen quarry]

Yes, they are

[smoky python]

ugh my computer did an update and now my discord app is broken

web version it is

Nerf Atlas please

[fervent barn]

I don't see that happening. Wave 13

[smoky python]

Awww close

[fervent barn]

Bad placement got me

[smoky python]

Yup i can definitely see that happening on that wave

getting stuck on opposing titanor

[fervent barn]

Exactly

[umbral glen]

Victory!!

[vernal forum]

amazing

[molten palm]

damn stage 12 today after an hour wish i had time outside of life and work to learn this game

[worldly token]

got to stage 21 today with 6 bulwarks, fun deck today!

[zenith mortar]

Thats my victory as well.. even making the board

[umbral glen]

6 Bulwarks and a couple of heals + Scoriox was the formula for me.

[vestal vault]

I dont like this deck

nvm todays deck is dope! I was talking about yesterdays deck

[unique moss]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[proper timber]

I found it confusing that i couldn't sell a unit, but perhaps you can only sell 2 each round? Also i find it a bit hard to see which unit will work good with eachother, but that might just be some experience that i lack on this game still. Sometimes when i rightclick a unit, it keeps having that status window open and i can't close it untill next round.

i hope this helps

[coarse echo]

you can sell up to 2 per round. units working well with each other is part of the strategy of the game, it's not going to hold your hand and tell you what to play. that is part of the learning experience. right click elsewhere to close the status window.

[proper timber]

yeh i noticed the 2 per round, but now just figured out where it stands. could be a small red error thingy if you try to sell the 3rd one, maybe?

[cunning aurora]

I havent been able to find any explanations in-game around stat keywords... specifically stats granted by composite synergies, like "grit" and "resolve"

also, the stat icons on the units themselves arent 100% clear. I can't tell which icon represent Omega Power, for example. hover state would be useful there.

[coarse echo]

hovering over the icons say what they are. check illuvial master dictionary page for definitions of terms

[proper timber]

where can you see their special attack?

i mean, my 100 cost tank i sometimes healing/sometimes not, can't figure out when he does that

[coarse echo]

hover over the image of the illuvial after right clicking it to see the omega ability

[cunning aurora]

ahh you're right. hovering over the icons on illuvials deployed on the battelfield works. i was trying to do it on illuvials in the selection area, which doesnt work

[coarse echo]

every unit has a small amount of base hp regen. If you're talking about titanor massive regen, that's when it goes hyper. Bulwarks gain extra regen and mitigation after going hyper

[proper timber]

when do they go hyper?

or is that their special?

[coarse echo]

yellow vertical bar left of hp and energy bars is the hyper meter

[proper timber]

ah ok

[coarse echo]

when it fills and the whole border is outlined in yellow, they are hyper for the rest of the fight

how fast that meter fills depends on all of the affinities of enemies within a 50 hex radius

[proper timber]

ohh, that's something i didn't pick up yet

[coarse echo]

you can see the affinity matchups on illuvial master if you don't now how they interact with each other

[cunning aurora]

wow illuvial master is so useful i just found it

[coarse echo]

hyper matchups is just a circle where every affinity has a strong matchup, a very strong matchup, a weak matchup, and a very weak matchup

all are neutral with the same affinity

[proper timber]

ah, illuvial master helps alot yeh

with affinity stuff

it's not really explained in the game, but the site helps alot

[cunning aurora]

yeah totally. had to watch a bunch of Frobei videos until I found the explanation of how hyper works 🙂

[unique moss]

Yeah, Illuvialmaster is a great resource.
Another one is also infoluvial.io

[vestal vault]

Im heartbroken! Had my best run ever!... Was swifting through wave 17 with the perfect combinaisons and it crashed

https://tenor.com/view/real-tears-tears-crying-cry-emotional-gif-16018995

[olive hull]

Agreed with earlier posts, having descriptions on an info page or something for grit , resolve, psion, etc. would be nice. Need to show people how to equip ranger. I still don’t understand hyper and how it’s activated. Is it when there’s yellow filled in on the left side of your health bar? If so, this is a really small/subtle indicator, could even have an activation animation to make it more obvious. Thanks for asking ben! I’m lovin the ma pb1

Also do pb1 get into pb2 automatically or will we have to resubmit?

Bout to hop on, going for wave 20, wish me luck 🍀

[lyric river]

18s not easy

[rose bluff]

Do the illuvials in arena change daily?

[smoky python]

Yes

[molten palm]

stage 9 today jesus i keep getting slapped around on these low levels!

[smoky python]

Play good units

[kindred hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-appalled-whaaat-what-omg-gif-24254216

[gentle bronze]

Btw every person I’ve talked to who is new to the game has said they didnt know you could put weapons on your ranger

[proven ember]

Yeah that's fixed in pb2 🙂

[brazen quarry]

I believe that should be fixed in PB2

Dayum he fast

[gentle bronze]

Oh ok cool ty Ben

[proven ember]

Good chunk of these are fixed in pb2, or fixed but might not make into pb2

[kindred hawk]

Definitely called him fat

[brazen quarry]

He will forgive me (I hope)

[smoky python]

PB2 next week?

[proven ember]

which is good, if you folks were having big issues that we were not aware of then I'd be more worried

but please keep poking me with your pain points.

[brazen quarry]

Careful what you wish for ser

[gentle bronze]

Scoriox body be freaking out sometimes

[proven ember]

The Grit/resolve stuff is a tough one. We have it fixed with the advanced combat UI panels - but they won't be in for pb2.

(you can hover keywords and have a description of what they do)

I've also managed to rename a bunch of the more confusing named effects

so no more precision, it's just crit chance

Grit / Resolve still exist and they're the toughest.

but I can really call them discrete flat energy/physical damage reduction

bit wordy

[bronze canopy]

ooooh so precision was crit

https://tenor.com/view/polikotvsapogax-gif-22607287

i... i knew that

[smoky python]

You need to visit illuvialmaster more 😡

[gentle bronze]

That was literally one of the only ones I knew

[bronze canopy]

im dumb okay

i just play the game

reading is for Pusc's

[gentle bronze]

Grit and resolve I was just like probably has to do with defense lmaooo

Idgafffff I’m just out here throwing shit at the wall I don’t have time to think

Just get me on the leaderboards

[unique moss]

🧐

[proven ember]

each grit/resolve reduce incoming physical/energy damage by 1.

100 grit - 100less physical damage taken from any incoming source.

[bronze canopy]

so kukka would be dealing 0 damage?

[proven ember]

we'll add the specific meanings of stats into the pb2 patch notes

so there is a source of truth

I believe the fansites have things right, but they may not.

[smoky python]

Leak some patch notes now?

just like 5

[proven ember]

nah, might change.

they're very much in player friendly format too

Pterodactyl line is now a Phantom, and Thylacine is Slayer.

think I've leaked that one already

[smoky python]

Yup

Did you reduce the omega radius of big bird?

[proven ember]

ptero?

[smoky python]

Ya

[proven ember]

Can't recall what values you have atm on your build.

Might have got bigger on the earlier stages and smaller on s3.

[smoky python]

approximately the entire board

[proven ember]

biggest change is s1 and s2 Illuvials on general have gained a bunch of power

and s3 have lost some

[smoky python]

Makes sense

Except I hope trashbird got enormous buffs

[proven ember]

dodo?

[smoky python]

Blazenite

[proven ember]

got a stun

[smoky python]

might be playable with a stun

[proven ember]

was #1 character last week

had like a 70% winrate

[polar slate]

Hey sjud

[smoky python]

It's one of the worst units in the game

[proven ember]

nerfed a bit now.

focused on attack speed buffs and debuffs

[smoky python]

Synalph is worse but its close

[proven ember]

with a stun

pistol got reworked

s1, s2 pistol are now viable

[smoky python]

Nice

They were both trash

[gentle bronze]

Blazenite had a 70% wr last week?

[proven ember]

they suffered from the thin width of the beam

[smoky python]

At least the s1 only cost 50

[gentle bronze]

Ben you’re literally gaslighting us

I don’t believe that shit

[proven ember]

lmao not in your build

in the reworked one :d

[smoky python]

haha

[proven ember]

pistol is now the king of single target.

shrekts tanks

[polar slate]

So I’m in a bit of a pinch and I have a predicament I have an unreal@engine 5 universe I was wondering if I can speak to someone about partnering with as the developer is now trying to take all profits - if I can get land for each of my holders I would consider a deal dm me if interested

[smoky python]

Even more of a single target king than ryplance?

[brazen quarry]

Thank you for this Ben, appreciate you and your team so much

[proven ember]

probably not for the mastery point cost.

ryplance is high risk and high reward

[gentle bronze]

Yeah I appreciate you the Nancy Pelosi thing was a joke

[polar slate]

Velociraptor pelosi ?

[bronze canopy]

would you like T4 land or T5?

[smoky python]

I think Ryplance is one of the more well balanced units currently

that whole line

[proven ember]

poison is broken atm

been nerfed heavily

but ryp is good in that he performs his job perfectly

[polar slate]

This is for a community of 9,000 so maybe better chat in dm

[smoky python]

Exactly

[proven ember]

its a fighter - who does reliable strong single target

[bronze canopy]

so 9 thousand lands?

[proven ember]

and doesn't explode too quickly

whilst not being too tanky

flank with him and let him free hit - get insane value

[gentle bronze]

I’m a big fan of ryplance I feel like he’s good but not broken

[smoky python]

How's the new targetting system working?

[polar slate]

Easily the universe was set@for up to 100,000 scaled up in value based on rarity

[bronze canopy]

now RYPTER on the other hand

[proven ember]

Star nose mole rework has improved him so much

[bronze canopy]

are you talking about malura

[polar slate]

Also do we know the iluvium zero is launching

[bronze canopy]

i can imagine removing that hit after omega was a good move

[proven ember]

its ult is just iconic AF now

genuinely amazing

[smoky python]

Well the hit after omega only landed like 40% of the time

Also lol at starnosedmole as the name

I had no idea

[candid galleon]

how are checkpoints and income coming along?

[proven ember]

they exist, help the experience

not much nuance to them

games better for them

[smoky python]

Do we get infinite checkpoints or limited?

[proven ember]

limited competitive

infinite training

[candid galleon]

I mean even basic income can be complex, if it's constantly a risk-reward calculation.

[smoky python]

Makes sense

[proven ember]

yep - changes the earlier waves too to be a lot more interesting

its no longer a snoozefest

once you know what you're doing

[bronze canopy]

after wave 22~ how much interest plays a part? does it only increase points for leaderboard or smnt

[smoky python]

Choose to use your checkpoint early or just start over to save them

[candid galleon]

that's very cool, ty.

[proven ember]

since you're continually calculating to try and beat with the least power

turns the actually thinking on its head

[candid galleon]

yep

[proven ember]

its no longer how to win

its how to barely win

which is a lot harder

[candid galleon]

love it

[bronze canopy]

im a master at that

[proven ember]

yeah without spending too much 😛

[smoky python]

Well thats one strategy at least

The other strategy is to just win and let other people fail trying to min/max

[proven ember]

risk vs reward

once tournaments come out, it just opens up the top end

[candid galleon]

yeah I mean a lot of people will risk too much. but if you don't risk at all, you'll likely suffer late game

[smoky python]

All you gotta do is get further than everyone else

so if they all die doesnt matter how late you get

[proven ember]

right now small (relative) playercount, small topend group.

When you've got players winning hundreds/thousands based on their performance

that player count will explode, and incentive to get good will explode.

[smoky python]

You heard it here. PB2 has tourneys for thousands

[bronze canopy]

ill make one

[proven ember]

leaderboard right now is just scuffed - as its unlimited time and maximize how much time you can play.

[smoky python]

Yup

[bronze canopy]

so scuffed

[proven ember]

that is not what I said.

[gentle bronze]

Wait so we get unlimited checkpoints for training? Is that going to have a leaderboard?

[smoky python]

I'm assuming that casual and competitive have different waves

[gentle bronze]

Ignore my question if it was just asked btw

[proven ember]

once you have a tournament with a short duration, and a finite time per wave.

it changes the entire experience

casual has flex waves. play 10 times

play 10 different matches.

[smoky python]

Ah since its just "training mode" essentially thats actually good

get more practice in

[proven ember]

more practice and variety

[smoky python]

Ya

[proven ember]

and fun really

[bronze canopy]

t h a n k g o d

a n d y o u b e n

[candid galleon]

redundant

[gentle bronze]

Lmfao

[smoky python]

Competitive is where having the same waves matter

[gentle bronze]

Agreed

Damn Ben got me hyped af

So the competitive leaderboard is gonna have a fixed time to make decisions but same waves?

[proven ember]

will do an insider before we release pb2 to talk about this stuff if needed.

[smoky python]

Yah competitive is timed

1 min

[proven ember]

competitive is timed per wave (in the run) with more time as the waves progress

[smoky python]

oh an increasing timer

1 minute is already plenty

[bronze canopy]

thats needed, the precision of positioning can be bothersome in wave 20+

[gentle bronze]

Not sure how that will work when people are gonna use screenshots but I guess you still have a fixed timer to beat a your new highest wave right

Should still be good

[lilac grail]

cool all theses info !.
Checkpoint are limited in competitive, but we can launch how many we want competitive run a day ?.

[proven ember]

competitive is for fun daily competitions. It's still at the mercy of just sink hours in. But less so.

[bronze canopy]

limiting the amount of time you can launch competitive is redundant, since once person can just run through take screenshots and share

[proven ember]

tournaments though...

[gentle bronze]

Exactly

[proven ember]

tournaments is just X time, all at the same time

whilst competing with each other

[gentle bronze]

Like I’ll just copy all of shabims set ups then beat his highscore

[bronze canopy]

how about time interest system? less time you spend, more time you will have later

[smoky python]

Are Survival Tourneys a big priority for the team?

[proven ember]

played with it as a concept. but is just a pain in the ass on the tech side.

[smoky python]

I think the competitive players would rather just have Ascendant

Or is the timeline for that way too far away

[proven ember]

Depends on how stuff flows, goal is both.

Tournaments is done from design, requires backend and dev work.

[smoky python]

Oh nice

[proven ember]

Ascendant requires a lot more design testing/iteration and backend and dev work

[smoky python]

Yah I figured

[proven ember]

so both are high prio really, we'll just manage what we do by how teams finish their tasks

[gentle bronze]

This question is probably too hard to answer at this current time but as an American you all tend to do a lot of shit while I’m working. Will there be different times for comps so that Americans can participate?

[smoky python]

I know Survival Tourneys and Ascendant are kind of targetting the same audience so I was just giving input from that side of things what is preferred

[proven ember]

tournaments are spread - so all times zones are served equally

[ebon pagoda]

so this is web3

[proven ember]

depends on the playercount. so if we have lots of people playing at X time, that time will have a greater number of tournaments

[gentle bronze]

What do the numbers look like currently for player count during all times of the day? I assume you guys don’t give that info out?

[proven ember]

what the community wants is important, and its long factored into the decision making.

but where community typically struggles is to understand the challenges and work involved between different tasks.

frequently you'll see suggestions for can we have X, which seems simple on paper

for example the time interest stuff.

seems straightforward - you have it for mastery points. why not have for timers

[smoky python]

Oh and I also assume this is fixed, but the leaderboard kill count bug is fixed right?

[proven ember]

but when you factor in how client/backend work together, internet and so on. It actually becomes a big olde task taking significant time

leaderboard is overhauled

honestly I've 0 clue how the current messy one came out in that form

[smoky python]

I joke that we just get a random number of kills

cause thats essentially what it seems like

[proven ember]

we're not even sure internally what the number is 😄

im sure we could work it out

but not worth the hassle when the new system is so much better

[smoky python]

Whats the new leaderboard. Not really much you can do besides wave count

[bronze canopy]

kill count, time taken, gold saved?

[smoky python]

I guess wins versus draws

differentiate those but thats kind of like killcount

I always hated the time thing. Gives a preference to certain builds

[smoky python]

When it really should just be winning is winning

Looks good as long as the kill count works haha

I've flip flopped on total mastery points vs kills multiple times

[proven ember]

mastery points is better IMO

more nuance on final wave outcome + Augments have mastery point values.

[smoky python]

Both systems have ways to game it

[gentle bronze]

I 100% agree with this. It makes certain builds and play styles less viable.

[smoky python]

But either way its not a big deal they both work fine as tiebreaks

[proven ember]

mastery points = power.

sure both can be 'gamed' but we're a game and we want you to game shiz

but the goal of survival is beat the hardest stuff

and mastery points is a more reliable indicator.

[smoky python]

I mean in the way that you play a wave in order to 'game the tiebreaks' instead of trying to beat the wave

[proven ember]

tiebreaks don't exist.

overload.

[smoky python]

But it can happen both ways

leaderboard tiebreaks

But like I said either way can be gamed

[proven ember]

well it's intended behaviour, you're thinking in terms of people reaching the wave cap.

but thats not intended behaviour longer term

gets mostly fixed via augments allowing for greater scaling.

[smoky python]

People will still hit the same number of waves even if there is no cap

sometimes a wave is just hard

[brazen quarry]

Didn't he just post how that works with that screenshot? 😅

[smoky python]

Yes but we're talking about 2 different ways to do kill count

[proven ember]

yep - so when we use mastery points we ensure that its only how much of the total power was defeated in that wave.

[smoky python]

As there are ways to take advantage of both systems

[proven ember]

which is the more challenging component

killing an atlas and a s1 grokko is easier and therefor less valuable than killing a Rhamphyre bolstered by augments

so mastery points is a better measure of skill

[smoky python]

but the strategy used to kill the rhamphyre might never end up being able to complete the wave

[proven ember]

yep

but same for killing little illuvals

[smoky python]

Yup like I said both ways can be gamed

Just depends what your guys preference is

[proven ember]

usually - defeating more of the power is more reliable indicator of wave pass success.

[smoky python]

depends how many blazenites the opponent has

[proven ember]

yep both can be gamed, but one is a better indicator of success.

[smoky python]

If the units are balanced well then sure

I'd say that killing a 30 gold kukka is more important than killing a 90 gold blazenite currently

And gives you a higher probability of passing

Mastery point cost doesnt necessarily dictate power level

[kindred hawk]

It’s better than what I was thinking which was least master points spent would win a tiebreaker

[proven ember]

mastery points = power. when that's not the case then something is wrong.

[smoky python]

Then there are some BIG problems with pb1 lol

[proven ember]

private beta 1 isn't balanced?! the game mode missing key systems and which we said wasn't worth the effort of balancing?! 😄

[smoky python]

It's tough to balance so many different things though when there are tons of different abilities

[proven ember]

https://tenor.com/view/sensational-shocking-appalled-gif-4798434

[smoky python]

I mean if you're gonna launch something for 6 months there should at least be some balancing

[brazen quarry]

Gonna remove my comment before somebody doesn't get the sarcasm 😄

[proven ember]

bloody game designers!

[smoky python]

PB2 gonna have frequent patches?

I think that solves a lot of issues

[proven ember]

I mean I think we've said quite a few times we wanted to do more balancing. But we did do a balance patch in the end of June.

so 6 months is a bit off 😄

[kindred hawk]

I don’t think frequent patches on a beta are a given nor should they be. Particularly if implementing takes time or resources away from the finished product. They just need to gather the issues at that phase to make corrections for final product.

[smoky python]

Not much changed honestly

Hyper changed some power levels

[proven ember]

but if it takes 3 weeks to do a balance patch, thats 3 weeks not being spent on things like Ascendant.

[kindred hawk]

Exactly my comment above

[gentle bronze]

Personally I think dev time needs to be spent on finishing the game not balancing pb1

[proven ember]

its a private beta, you're guinea pigs in the lab I'm afraid.

[smoky python]

If finishing the game is close then 100%

I'll take Ascendant over any survival improvements lol

[gentle bronze]

Any dev time spent on pb1 is less dev time on the game

[smoky python]

Different teams

if they choose

[kindred hawk]

I’m still waiting to become a Guinea pig. I’m jealous of the pigs

[gentle bronze]

It’s fun being a dirty little piggy 🐷

[smoky python]

When pig illuvial?

[kindred hawk]

Stop rubbing it in!

[gentle bronze]

That’s just all the American rangers

[smoky python]

LOL

[gentle bronze]

Hey brother at least you can watch streamers on twitch and people are always streaming it here on discord 🙂

[kindred hawk]

Very true which is what I’ve been doing now

[kindred hawk]

That hits hard bruh. Hard.

[proven ember]

turn up to trivia.

usually a free key available

[smoky python]

Martini gets all the answers first

He cheats

[kindred hawk]

It’s just at a rough time for me…being an American pig and all.

[ebon pagoda]

u guys still have the flashing lights at the start of a match?

[kindred hawk]

I’m also a ranger now, maybe that’ll help my chances 🤔

[gentle bronze]

If it makes you feel better I’m an American pig as well

[kindred hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/team-america-america-hell-yeah-brother-hulk-hogan-american-flag-gif-14478578

[pale fossil]

When you are in P1 you have all eyes on you 😉

[gentle bronze]

Today's pretty hard even with the granite bonus, eh?

No good late game dps Illuvials

[turbid osprey]

🍞 meta

Best deck

[gentle bronze]

I couldn't say what button it is but there is one on my keyboard that makes the wave go through automatically and idk how to disable that

I keep losing deep into my run by accidentally clicking it before I'm ready

[turbid osprey]

double space bar

[coarse echo]

Pretty sure this was end of May / early June, but kinda irrelevant anyway. Great to catch up on the convo that went on while I was sleeping. Nice to see all the talks about Pb2 and competition. Plz gif nex betaz sune

[gentle bronze]

Is there a way to disable that?

[turbid osprey]

No, you can use 1 for camera replacement instead of spacebar to avoid this

[gentle bronze]

Sorry this has been asked before but I can't remember the answer

when fighters become hyperactive they gain 60% Attack speed or 25% and then 35% attack speed on top of that?

[bronze canopy]

Fighter: Upon becoming Hyperactive, Fighters gain 35% Attack Speed, and their Attacks Pierce 25% of Physical and Energy Resistance.

[gentle bronze]

But all Illuvials gain 25% attack speed regardless of class

so do they JUST get 35% or some combination of the 25% and 35%?

[bronze canopy]

General: Every Combat Unit receives 25% increased Attack Speed when they become Hyperactive.

both

[gentle bronze]

So in that case would it be 60% attack speed or 25% then 35% attack speed

cause if you use 100 as a base it is either 160 attack speed or 169 attack speed

[bronze canopy]

does it matter

[gentle bronze]

Not really I'm just curious lmao

[bronze canopy]

but i dont know

[gentle bronze]

I'm just going to think of it as 60% attack speed because a 10% difference most likely would not compute in my head regardless to change the outcome of a specific wave lmfao

[coarse echo]

Usually, percent modifiers in the same category are additive, not multiplicative, so 25 + 35 = 60

as opposed to 1.25 * 1.35 = 1.69

[gentle bronze]

Tyvm

trying to memorize a lot of stuff that I should have awhile ago. It seems small but I'd rather know exactly what it is so I memorize it correctly and don't have to change it later down the line.

Later down the line would we be able to receive in-game hex radius "indicators"? Or does that beat the spirit of the game?

[golden flower]

Anyone getting a ‘Account not allowed for beta testing’ when logging in? Haven’t had it begore

[rain coral]

Is it the same account you logged into the site with?

[golden flower]

Yeah have been playing for a week or so now

Also provided feedback couple days ago

[rain coral]

normally this error appears by using VPN or wi-fi modem, try changing the network or restarting yours

[golden flower]

Aah okay will try

[golden flower]

Aah okay VPN was the issue here

Thanks a lot

[coarse echo]

board is roughly 100x100 hexes. Visualize the quadrants as roughly 50x50, then you should be able to estimate what 20/30/50 hexes looks like

People asking for thousands of indicators and text, not realizing that this will clutter the screen and look horrible

[fair hemlock]

They could just have it as a toggle-button for multiple options and it wouldnt clutter 👀
Press once: attack range.
Press twice: hyper range
Press thrice: radius of hyper and targets when hovering over an illuvial 🤷‍♂️
Press four x: remove every UI clutter.

[coarse echo]

sure, but that's extra complexity as well. those are all range based things. If you just learn that 1 quadrant is 50 hexes, you don't need any of that

learning things is useful, as it turns out

not saying something like those suggestions couldn't be useful

[fair hemlock]

Learning is useful but seeing is believing 😄

Not that i dont believe a quadrant to be 50 hex but i think new players will have an easier time realising that after seeing a radius of 50 hex on the field :D

[coarse echo]

all illuvials have a range

just watch them attack at max range

[fair hemlock]

But you dont see a cute pink circle before a fight starts

[coarse echo]

there's so much information you can gain by paying attention and trying to learn the game, instead of hoping for shortcuts

but they are working on ui and textual improvements that should help newer players

[fair hemlock]

Yeah, agreed. the game is fun when you look for those details but with multiple new features added in PB2 i just hope they will make it easier accessible for the avarage person. Not everyone here is a pro-TFT player :D plenty of people struggling below round 10 even when they try as hard as they can xD

I think ill not make it past wave 5 once the interest becomes a thing and augments are added... it will be chaos

[gentle bronze]

That's true but there's going to be 3rd party clients that do this regardless.

[stark swift]

Everyone eventually wants the full suite of information. I offer as an example: PoE's item interface. It starts in "Beginner Mode" where it doesn't show you complete information about items (relevant stuff like item levels, modifier tiers, even which rolls are variable on uniques etc.). One of the first things any guide tells you is to turn on Advanced Mode to get access to that information, and rightly so.

More information = more better, but there's nothing wrong with having it be a setting you toggle that enables things like Range display etc.

[smoky python]

Little different considering that's a pve game

[stark swift]

No one in Hearthstone ever used tools to get more complete information either.

[smoky python]

What was blizzards stance on that?

[stark swift]

If the display of available information is incomplete, people WILL figure out a way to display the information.

[smoky python]

For competitive play though it brings up questions

[stark swift]

Blizzard isn't renowned for their excellent decision making TBH. I'm no Hearthstone expert, but to say such software was widely used among competitive players (at least in online environments) is pretty fair.

There's nothing wrong with having some information NOT available, but if it's available, people are gonna find ways to use it. Do you disagree with that premise?

[smoky python]

I think in the situation of outside programs the rules have to be clearly defined so people don't get an unfair advantage over others

[stark swift]

The argument could be made that the information is available anyways, so it's not truly unfair. A great Hearthstone player can track their deck and remaining draws mentally, but that didn't stop competitive (but not amazing) players from using deck trackers to keep tabs on the same information.

Just like a great Illuvium player will inherently know the range of units, if that information is available and not displayed by the client, people will find ways to access that information in a more convenient format.

I'm completely with you that anything giving an actual unfair advantage (i.e. accessing UNAVAILABLE information) is a problem, but I struggle to see how you could regulate people's access to available information and/or alternate ways to display such info.

[smoky python]

Yah for sure. If they are accessing some kind of game code that's when it goes over then line

But stuff like deck trackers you are right. Can use a paper and pencil for that if you really wanted to

[coarse echo]

You have to be careful with tooling. Deck trackers and hand trackers are generally banned in tournaments because it's considered part of the skill of the game. In ilv, understanding ranges for positioning and tactics could be similarly considered a skill, and therefore not shown precisely to a player.

A tutorial mode that goes through all of the in game mechanics that shows a clear picture of how everything works could be great to Jumpstart people's learning experience, but I don't see a need for every little detail to be present visually in the main game, outside of such a tutorial.

[smoky python]

Yup I agree

[gentle bronze]

I do think it would be cool to not have indicators like that because it would at the complexity and skill it takes to play the game. Unfortunately these things are going to happen anyways.

I would prefer it to not be a thing if there was an ability to keep everyone from using one

[smoky python]

I'm not sure how stuff like that works from the computer side of things but would Illuvium be able to see who is using those types of outside programs?

If so they can just be banned

[gentle bronze]

As far as I am aware they would have to make using any kind of client against the rules and only allow people to use the official Illuvium client

[smoky python]

But could they see from their end if people were using something? ( i know jack shit about this stuff)

You can make something against the rules but if you cant catch anyone it doesnt matter

[gentle bronze]

I'm almost positive that if you were using some kind of client to play the game through they would be able to tell quite easily

[turbid osprey]

Some poker sites decide to ban 3rd party software and huds, illuvium could do the same for the whole game i believe.

[lyric river]

whats up with the lack of "atlas"

[smoky python]

He's currently serving a suspension for taking performance enhancing drugs

[cunning aurora]

guys i got number 3 on the leaderboard! ... todays deck has only been out for an hour... BUT STILL

[smoky python]

I'd keep playing.

[lyric river]

I go to sleep on top wake up on bottom or off the list

[vast flare]

I have never made the leaderboard... one day... maybe

[knotty zephyr]

🔥

[lyric river]

what wave are u stuck on

[vast flare]

Haven't played today's deck yet, but always waves 13 to 15 take me out

[lyric river]

something that has helped me out is making my own discord and taking screenshots of each wave before i win or lose and putting the pictures in my channel

[zenith bough]

Agreed 100%. In poker they have tools to detect if you use a banned tracker that shares hand history - so I imagine something like this could be implemented. I would just be scared that someone finds a tool that is extremely helpful, and use it to gain an unfair advantage in Leviathan especially

[halcyon nova]

something Ive always wonder are the waves auto generated or does somebody create 30 plus wave each day ???? critical info for my play roster

I have never play'd and never will play with screen shots ....just me ......no screen shots in competitions so just don't want to rely on them now .....maybe a good learning tool but I learn by feel ...touch 😉

[high niche]

1st run - wave 20. Checkpoints waiting room.

[gray steeple]

i got stuck on wave 11 or 12 (cant remember which) about 7times then blasted straight through to 30 😎 second time ever

was starting to think id forgotten how to play! i foudn the waves quite easy though even though deck not the best..? anyone else find the same?

[smoky python]

Deck is really good

All it is missing is granite

[summer ibex]

Does anybody know if there is any plans to add in a feature where by we can pre plan our illuvials movements?
I imagine 3 simple commands would open up so much more game play - 1) HOLD 2) ZIGZAG while walking forward to dodge range attacks 3) CHARGE

[smoky python]

lol no

It's an autobattler

You can already plan your illuvials initial movements based on positioning

[summer ibex]

Why is that funny? I mean it in all respect and not fud.
But if you could hold back some illuvials to protect the back line …? Would you?
Or imagine 3 Tanks charging off the front line? Would cause carnage
But obviously would cause fatigue or some counter balance to not allow infinite charge ability

[smoky python]

You're thinking of a different game

And you can hold illuvials back to protect the backline already

[summer ibex]

Well nah, I’m thinking this is a beta version ? Ya know

[smoky python]

Yes its a beta version of a game that is already defined

[summer ibex]

Nah but they all just want to run forward right? Or like robotic predictable

[smoky python]

Ranged units dont move if they have a target in range

[summer ibex]

Define - defined…? Haha

[smoky python]

There are also ways to make your own melee units not move

[summer ibex]

And man, it’s 2022 - I’m sorry but I don’t see anything as “defined” and shouldn’t limit the potential by thinking like this.

[smoky python]

You're thinking of a different genre of game than what this game is

[summer ibex]

Yeh but a command would also be much more simple

[smoky python]

And it would change the game

[summer ibex]

Yep.

Why is Chess one of the most famous games of all time ?…

[smoky python]

Why can't we control our illuvials from a person view and shoot other illuvials with a gun

[summer ibex]

Certainly not because we just press “GO” and the pawns act on their own…it’s an extension of our brain in the ultimate infinite tactical scenario. Any player has the power to change things and mould things

[smoky python]

Thats essentially the same as what you are saying

[summer ibex]

In time - this will no doubt become an option…

[smoky python]

You want the game to be something it isn't

[summer ibex]

No no I want nothing

[smoky python]

Look into games like TFT, Dota autochess, Dota underlords to see what the game is

Of course there is a difference with this as we will be building our own deck instead of buying units from a shop

[summer ibex]

Only I hope - the “game” can become a passage for creative thinking of how games are played in general

Eventually we will be able to play illuvium soccer

Illuvium surfing

and I’m thinking a way off , but can’t you see how Ai will essentially be able to create any game dynamic / scenario / arena etc that we ask it to generate…the same will be for tv and movies

[smoky python]

Sure you can look into the deep future if you want

[summer ibex]

The Ai will litterly be able to generate a movie in real time that is based upon what we ask it to make …same is for video games

[candid galleon]

okay well right now I just want to play illuvium the autobattler.

[smoky python]

Yup

[summer ibex]

Same. No doubt

It’s a great game and I love it. But 3 simple commands could change everything. (I was imaging only 1 chance before the battle begins to set the movement)

[smoky python]

Well thats not going to happen

[summer ibex]

NGMI lol

Unless you are Aaron/Kieran using a different login haha 🤷🏻‍♂️🥴😅🫡

[smoky python]

No because thats not what this game is

[summer ibex]

Yet…

[smoky python]

Nope

[summer ibex]

Ever heard of growth mindset ?

[smoky python]

Ever heard of autochess?

[summer ibex]

Yep

[smoky python]

Then you should know why your suggestion isnt going to happen

[summer ibex]

Yet

Don’t limit yourself man.

[smoky python]

It is what it is I guess

[summer ibex]

And it isn’t what it isn’t yet

[smoky python]

Nope we all know exactly what it is

Let them make one game first before going after something completely different

[summer ibex]

Yeh why not put all the eggs in one basket and think centralised… I agree focusing on certain things can be a bonus - but that’s like a Tree..it can’t be anything but a tree

Birds, they can only fly north or south depending on the season

[lilac grail]

I find this idea bad in my point of view, but dev know the game that they want to do, and if there is not this feature in release and want to add this. you can write an IIP perhaps others will like it ..

[smoky python]

I was trying to be nice and not call his idea bad

[summer ibex]

But humans, we can change things. We can adapt. We can actually count our chickens before they hatch …

[lilac grail]

yeah we can change. if majority find that theses changement are better

[summer ibex]

Yeh that’s the worry too. Like as humans we are actually floored and there would be countless times in history where by the majority were wrong

And it took the thinking of one man or a small group of alternate thinkers to change history / win. And lose

[lilac grail]

why do you join a DAO project to say thoses kind of things so.

[summer ibex]

Because it’s a fair question. And it’s not hating on DAO

[lilac grail]

well, we can focus on PB1 otherway 🙂

[summer ibex]

Sometimes “rebels” are needed even within a DAO . And I’m not saying I am a rebel

[lilac grail]

your idea is to transform a strategic game to a mind game. that I don't want personnaly.

And Is just my though.

[summer ibex]

And I join this project for many reasons not just that it’s a DAO based community.

[summer ibex]

That’s great! And speaking our thoughts or typing needs to be encouraged

I see it in so many projects and discords and communities in web3. There are plenty of people who actually don’t care enough. Or don’t feel as if it matters if they vote or whatever …through thinking that their divergent idea or minder will even be seen or heard

Let alone knowing that being seen as the guy / girl who is going against the grain will have ramifications . Essentially as everything open and archived yeh?

[gentle bronze]

That’s a lot to read

[summer ibex]

So just for the record. I am Bullish on DAOs but humans , we are floored. Some of us don’t actually know what we need or want even when it’s right under our nose.
Some times also, when it comes to times of crisis or a need to take action pronto…?? Imagine we are all living in the Forrest and their is a wild fire over the next hill…do you wait until the whole community has voted YES run!!!! Or do you remember your instinct ? And run at the smell@of smoke in the air?
Speed of Decision making is really important too.

Anyway!! At the end of the day, illuvium in my mind will be the cutting edge of how web3 gaming is done.

Even if Eth went to zero, I would put my house on the line that kids given the right access to the game would pick it up and play it for no monetary incentive.! And THAT is why I am here. For my kids as well as me …🤙🏼✌🏼
Apologise for the spam ! Thank you for hearing me out guys

🤝🫶🏽💜

[gentle bronze]

Everyone deserves an opinion no matter how stupid

Just messin with yuh ;p

[summer ibex]

I’m all for shit talking as well man. The banter and the laughs.

Crickets…😵‍💫😬🫠😄😅🦗🦗🌌

[gentle bronze]

I mostly talk in general lol

I only come in here to rage when I get stuck on a wave

[summer ibex]

Haha nah not just you . I just think I killed the convo . Sorry wasn’t my intentions guys! 😵‍💫😄🫣

[gentle bronze]

Pb-1 can be slow conversation wise

[lyric river]

to springboard off your idea... it would be cool if there was an in game item to make a character do an uncharacteristical thing... such as avoid first contact, jump backline like a rouge, range unit walk forward until first contact.

[summer ibex]

Yeh !! Like imagine this right!! Imagine is a giant red mushroom grew out of the ground and when your illuvial ran into it they doubled in size!! Can you imagine that? Mehhh probably wouldn’t catch on though lol

https://tenor.com/view/lol-super-mario-jump-gif-16056981

[lyric river]

nope

[gentle bronze]

They already have an item that makes your ranger a rouge

[lyric river]

@summer ibex there are augments but im not sure how they work

[lyric river]

🧐

[gentle bronze]

It’s the earth claw weapon or whatever

[lyric river]

infoluvial .io has some of the augments if your interested @gentle bronze @summer ibex

[gentle bronze]

Don’t tell me what to do

[lyric river]

Sir, I challenge you to fisticuffs.

[gentle bronze]

I’ll have you know I took boxing classes for a year

You don’t want this smoke

[lyric river]

ill have u know i played d1 rugby

[candid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbik-cute-meme-influencer-gif-21732737

[candid galleon]

I'll have you know I bundled my home and auto insurance with Geico.

[gentle bronze]

I’ll have you know I still live with my parents 😎🔥

[zenith bough]

Have you tried lemonade?

[fresh valley]

Lemonade. A mans best friend in the summer

[coarse echo]

What did I just catch up on in this chat? Looks like a HUGE misunderstanding of what an autobattler is. For anyone looking to make suggestions about a completely different game idea, check out #802110554784661544

[summer ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-i-oughta-vandalize-my-foot-gif-18542828

[summer ibex]

No no. Some might call it a form of Semi-auto?
But all I know is that we shouldn’t limit our thinking by the game is X or Y, This OR That…but try more “X AND Y” - there is always room for AND

[vernal forum]

What does PB1 or PB2 Mean

[smoky python]

private beta 1

private beta 2

[coarse echo]

Yes yes, you don't understand. You're suggesting a different game. This one is an autobattler. As mentioned prior, go to #802110554784661544 for new suggestions

[knotty zephyr]

@coarse echo beast already wave 30

gz

[coarse echo]

Thx. Had to step out of retirement to see if I still got it 😁

[knotty zephyr]

🙂 im stuck on wave 19 but not bad for second try

u are LovingAtlas i'm LovingUmbre

[coarse echo]

We're just the loving type.

[knotty zephyr]

yeah, I love umbre so it fits good

[grim crystal]

Anyone know how to kill tytanor ?

[smoky python]

Yup

[zenith bough]

Scorpion / Kuk / Axodon all viable options depending on setup

[umbral glen]

And avoid anyone that will get him hyper if possible.

[blissful geode]

hey! how long does it take to be approved?

[rain coral]

!beta

[prisma gulch]

You can register for the closed beta through this link: https://play.illuvium.io/arena

You can improve your chances of being selected for the beta by:

1. Becoming a ranger (Level 5 in the server)
2. Joining # twitter-role and promoting Illuvium on twitter
3. Participating in (and winning) our weekly trivia competition

[molten palm]

Damn stage 9 today i just cant grasp how there are so many enemies but i barely got anything to fight em off

wish i had time to do research but time and life dont allow it unfortunately

[grim crystal]

Ty

[robust surge]

First time I got this high

[rain coral]

noice!

[knotty zephyr]

Congratz!

[fervent barn]

Nice work!

[torpid monolith]

congrats 🎉

[smoky python]

@fair hemlock Not much to elaborate on. It wll be nowhere close. The statement isnt that complicated

[fair hemlock]

Well Ben said it would be at 80%- similar to TFT so I have faith that he knows what he is talking about as lead game dev. 🤷‍♂️

[smoky python]

You mean you trust the person who is employed making 1 game to say its as good as its direct competitor?

I wonder if there is a conflict of interest there....

Unfortunately PB2 will be nowhere close because it is still just a pve game

[fair hemlock]

Fair enough

[proven ember]

https://tenor.com/view/might-be-biased-tiny-bit-biased-biased-my-opinion-anna-paquin-gif-13588317

[full light]

Whichcould be the main attraction and biggest draw.... the auto battler is jsut the "pvp game" that some will do when they are not exploring and collecting...

[smoky python]

lol nope

You still havnt really grasped what the game is

[full light]

@brazen quarry .....

[smoky python]

? I didn't use any clown emojis

[brazen quarry]

You can both play the game how you want. SJUD likes PVP and thinks everybody has to think like him or you are wrong. Solar might like a different aspect of the game.

[smoky python]

He is free to like whatever he chooses

[full light]

The differnce is you keep inisting the whole game revolevs areound pvp and "esports" which is an opinion not a fact!

[smoky python]

I assume you want the game to be long lasting and succeed

And that depends on the quality of the PvP

[full light]

Again OPINION

[smoky python]

Sure but I happen to know what I'm talking about

[full light]

Igive up.....

[smoky python]

Good

[full light]

No becaser there is no use talking to somone who only belivesl thier own story and opinion.

[neon atlas]

hey hey, stop it

[full light]

Its also opinion on what you think "quality" pvp mean. I can guarantee both of us have difference of opinion on that

[smoky python]

Yes but one of our opinions is worth just a bit more in that regards

[full light]

wow.....your free to belive that is you wish

[bronze canopy]

sjud is right, without pvp and a ladder, people would run around in the world a few times and put the game on the shelf. People who still play league of legends on a high level either are getting paid (streamers/esport players) or are just addicted to the number go up on their rank. Or just do ARAM's while high. Its all about that pvp and rank that keeps games alive

[smoky python]

Correct

There's a lot of people who dont really understand this point

[scarlet hollow]

hey guys i just started beta and wanted to give some feedback

first of all the send ingame feedback function doesnt work for me it says failed to send feedback and go to discord

i also experianced an issue with the health overlay

when i rightclick a unit for more details

sometimes the healthbars of itself or other units overlay the text and details of the popup

the popup should always be in the front so its readable IMO

also i think it would be great to have a button on the mainscreen that can toggle the grid on and off

[candid galleon]

Yep. Also this game is economically set up a lot like magic the gathering, or pokemon cards.

Imagine if MTG had no pvp game (or a bad one that no one played). It would never succeed...

[smoky python]

Yup the Overworld is just like cracking a pack of MTG cards

and then cracking more packs

haha

[molten palm]

Man i keep doing worse im just giving it a break til pb2

hurts my brain everytime

[thorny thorn]

You guys love the beta? Does autobattler get boring?

[smoky python]

Well because there are no patches and updates it does get boring

[safe valve]

Imo everything without pvp gets boring... Just a matter of time

[worthy sleet]

@smoky python how did you get good in autobattlers games in general? did you used to be a TFT pro or something?

[thorny thorn]

Is the plan to ne rid of autobattler thought

Can't remember

I know they like turn based

[candid galleon]

He was a dota underlords pro. Dunno how'd he get there though heh

[gentle bronze]

Having a LOT of trouble today even though it's a very good deck

definitely a Monday ;-;

[coarse echo]

I haven't played today, but even strong decks occasionally have hard days. It's very dependent on how mean they are with the enemy waves.

[gentle bronze]

This is true but dying to wave 9 3 times in a row is unacceptable for someone who's been playing everyday for a month lol

[safe valve]

Some are just not capable of more 🤷🏻

[gentle bronze]

I do not accept that

intelligent hardwork always pays off

[bronze canopy]

gonna be honest with you champ

[bronze canopy]

you can do it

[gentle bronze]

Would have been funnier if you called my stupid

[bronze canopy]

i wanted to

really bad

[gentle bronze]

I appreciate you king LMFAOOO

[bronze canopy]

[gentle bronze]

I'm weak lol

[bronze canopy]

you know where all the juice is

[turbid osprey]

Ranger and granite alone probably wins wave 9

[bronze canopy]

is that the wave with vermi+rhamphite going into the middle with enemy goliant in the middle with seaforus in top right?

[coarse echo]

Wait, is granite good?

[lilac grail]

nah

[coarse echo]

I didn't think so, got confused for a second there

[bronze canopy]

I have committed heresy today. I removed granite on wave 18 i think. It was worth

https://tenor.com/view/minion-king-mic-drop-outta-here-frown-gif-17809508

[coarse echo]

Just play fern, then the healing should be better than 4 seconds immortality

[bronze canopy]

this guy gets it

[turbid osprey]

The synergy of fern (godbird) with synalph is no joke

[turbid osprey]

Yup

[coarse echo]

They both shoot in the same direction, ez kills

[lilac grail]

PB2 Meta

[coarse echo]

Just add dash to finish off the low hp targets, and hard counter rock at the same time

[turbid osprey]

FastDash, KingShrimp & GodBird is definitly my favorite combo

[bronze canopy]

True, the ShitBeatle and GOD(awful)Snail are sooo bad

[coarse echo]

Ador has the same attack damage as Big beetle...

[lilac grail]

Lol, i'm at wave 18, and I removed granite too. Just reminded now that you did same.

https://tenor.com/view/minion-but-despicable-me-pool-swim-gif-16227921

I will get Shame from my guild now.

[bronze canopy]

as long as you are higher than them on the ladder

y'know what i mean

[turbid osprey]

Mindya | Polemos 🤭

[gentle bronze]

Illuvials with composite classes gain half of the bonuses given to each separate class they have. That's not how it works for composite affinities, correct?

[vernal forum]

Composites gain the effect listed at the bottom of their description. They get 1 stack of this effect for each count of the corresponding affinity. So if you have 5 earth affinity a bloom illuvial will get +15 grit and resolve.

[lofty kettle]

Finally I was able to beat all waves

[brazen quarry]

That is impressive, good job!

[lofty kettle]

Yeah, I feel great! thank you so much.

[scarlet hollow]

well done, i am stuck at around 13 atm but its my first day playing

do we get a different deck tomorrow?

[unique moss]

Yup! New deck everyday at 00:00 UTC 😮

[scarlet hollow]

damn so i cant improve on this challenge any further

[proven ember]

Massive congratulations! Big achievement! One of a handful that have made it to 30.

[smoky python]

Dota Underlords Pro and before that years of card games like MTG

[safe valve]

Didn't know there was/is a pro-scene in dota underlords 🙃

[smoky python]

lol there really wasn't

Very limited amount of $$$ haha

[pale fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-roger-weak-gif-19541923

[knotty zephyr]

Let's try the new deck

[molten palm]

stage 11 for me man this pb1 is tough cant wait for easy mode

[smoky python]

This is the easy mode

[molten palm]

damn looks like ill have to find a new game to play cause this too hard

embersword was looking pretty fun at least!

[smoky python]

Can always try and improve instead

Much more rewarding than just quitting

[molten palm]

i dont have time im almost unemployed and gotta find a new job

i aimed to play the game to learn it cause i dont have much time in my day

but if i cant learn it by playing it i dont have time to read up on it so gotta find something that goes with my speed

my brain unfortunately doesnt learn by reading it learns by actions and repetition

[smoky python]

Keep grinding it out then. It's all about repetition

You'll discover the patterns eventually

[molten palm]

its self defeating to never hit lvl 30

to fail over and over isnt building up for me

i need the game to teach me or i cant learn the game

i hate my head sometimes

[smoky python]

I wouldnt focus on trying to hit Wave 30 immediately

Some days its not even possible to reach that high

Just try and improve slowly

[molten palm]

too many monsters on their end not enough on mine

thats my trouble

and when i lose starting over hurts me so bad

[smoky python]

When thats the case you gotta learn which of your illuvials can take on 3-4 at once and which ones cant

Then you can even the odds elsewhere on the field

[molten palm]

like i said need an easy mode to teach me

cause i will not figure this out on my own in 1 hour of playing a day lol

heck most days i only got 20 min

like a tutorial mode to detail the fundamentals

[vernal forum]

They are gonna have a tutorial when the game acutally launches. This is an early access beta so theres a lot of stuff thats still being developed.

[molten palm]

my head keeps wanting to slam into the desk when i cant even pass stage 12 tho

[knotty zephyr]

Improving everyday deck has only 2 hours but yeah happy with my first tries

[tall tapir]

I cannot pass 12-13 also haha, my highest was 16

[molten palm]

it hurts my pride so hard

[turbid osprey]

So lame i had the day off tommorow and was ready to grind 😅

And i have a terrible tiebreaker so ill end up mid leaderboard probably ahah

[knotty zephyr]

gz

[fervent barn]

Time to check out todays Arena

[knotty zephyr]

Good luck on it 🏆

[fervent barn]

Wave 9 was a bit spooky but so far so good

[fervent barn]

Aand I'm dead. Didn't account for the healer in wave 11

[gentle bronze]

The way you view losing the game reminds me of myself tbh

[smoky python]

186 is fine. I've even in the 160s before

[gentle bronze]

It's either perfect or nothing and honestly if you don't have the time to learn the game you might be right. This might not be the game for you right now until your situation is better.

[knotty zephyr]

[vernal forum]

easy deck today

[molten palm]

It's more or less I got time to play the game or learn it no in-between lol

[gentle bronze]

that doesn't make sense because you could just alternate

how long have you had the beta access?

[molten palm]

A little over a week but dealing with alot of crazy stuff irl waiting for moass

[gentle bronze]

Lmfao...

wave 30 in a week

[molten palm]

Yep there's a huge learning curve

[gentle bronze]

Not trying to be mean but dude cmon it took me a month before I hit wave 30

[molten palm]

I'm legitimately a smooth brain

[gentle bronze]

same

[molten palm]

No I mean I'm actually slower then most humans thinking wise

I get overwhelmed when too much thought comes in

[gentle bronze]

This is getting off topic but I'd be willing to bet even if you are on the slower side you have what it takes to get wave 30 with the right deck.

[molten palm]

Maybe but when there's double the monsters vs what I have I just lose thinking one day I'll get it I guess

Or I won't who knows

[smoky python]

Yah sometimes all it takes is the right deck to make the jump to a wave 30 day

[gentle bronze]

^^

[smoky python]

Get granite plus steam plus adorious etc

[gentle bronze]

As someone who also doesn't think they are smart I think you got it. Don't be such a downer and defeatist though. That mindset is unacceptable and you deserve to think of yourself as better than that, because you are. Have a good night dude I hope tomorrow is better for you.

[smoky python]

Plus if you have no prior experience with it'll be a lot tougher

I had a decent headstart on most people cause I already had thousands of hours in the genre

I was dogshit when I first started playing autochess

[knotty zephyr]

What you guys listen when playing? to enter in the focus mode?

just curious

[smoky python]

I just watch tv or listen to a podcast

[lyric river]

Yea my add ass needs several things going on at once

[bronze canopy]

https://media.tenor.com/igzQOghIr7gAAAAM/shakira-loca-shakira.gif

focused ✅

Dunno if on the game 👀

[smoky python]

There's a reason I watch Shabims streams

and its not for the gameplay

I've had a crush on Shakira for 21 years now. I'm so old

[bronze canopy]

yea thats why i got that youtube video playing

i know how to reel coomers in

[smoky python]

Should just title your streams "Shakira video watch party with some Illuvium gameplay on the side"

[bronze canopy]

that would be more honest tbh

[smoky python]

haha

Put it in the just chatting section

[bronze canopy]

[molten palm]

tips for wave 13?

so many monsters

[brazen quarry]

Kill em

[molten palm]

counters would help alot better or ima stay stuck for a while like usual lol

cant find any good info on what monsters counter the other

[brazen quarry]

I see Shabim is streaming maybe he made is passed that wave

[molten palm]

man id prefer tips then having to watch a stream i got limited time

maybe 2 more games in me then im out for the day

worth a shot i guess ill be back tonight when decks already changed...

[safe valve]

Even if you don't have much time, just Look a Stream instead of playing one. If your basic knowledge is really low, this 1 Stream could give you so many potential inputs... It's really worth the time

[gentle bronze]

Yesterday he said he'd only been playing a week with no previous auto battler experience and was disappointed he didn't get to wave 30

Rome wasn't built in a day

[smoky python]

Shabim finishes right when official ilv stream starts

that shit was scripted

[bronze canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

He is on to us guys

[brazen quarry]

👀

[lyric river]

man ive crashed on 17/18 6 times in the past 2 days

[smoky python]

😦

[lyric river]

big 😦

[gentle bronze]

Some days just be easy for me to get on the leaderboards and other days I can't get past wave 9

I literally have no idea but today feels super ez

[smoky python]

Composites are more powerful

[fair hemlock]

Composites are very similar to normal affinities and classes. Take steam for example:

The primary affinity water gives 3 energy regeneration once there are 3 stacks for the entire fight.

Steam gets +3 energy regeneration per water stack so +9 with 3 stacks. But ónly for 5/15 seconds, whenever steam engulfs them, which avarages out the energy regeneration to +3 for the entire fight as well.

[smoky python]

I'm well aware of how composites work

Though I guess my accomplishments would be even more impressive if I didn't

[brazen quarry]

Still waiting on the day where SJUD is going to explain something without mentioning how much he loves himself

[smoky python]

I havnt even gotten to how pretty I am

[fair hemlock]

Yeah i just wanted to add to your message, but the man with the question removed his message so i just stuck it on yours as your message was misleading 🧠