💰〕token

[sage haven]

the winner after winning

[prime canopy]

I don´t think you see much from Aaron anyways, no?
At least I never saw him type much or ask for feedback, prob would never care for it anyways,so made sense.

[quick heron]

100%, when Kieran says something it will happen. Trust the process!

[coral meteor]

I find it peculiar some companies seemed to already know this crypto gaming would go on dormant or die. For example Horizons game Skyweaver was fully developed by 2021, AMAZING game. However, they stopped the funding and to date almost barely kept it running with 2 or 3 Devs. Didn't shut down, didn't promote it, it's just there, dormant

[sage haven]

shelved

[coral meteor]

How is star atlas doing so far? Does anyone follow their development?

[gusty light]

They seem to always pivot or change their offerings or add more to their offerings.. in any case feels like an overly ambitious project with also minimal funding left

[coral meteor]

Hmm, so kind of like Illuvium, they don't need to succeed, just become good enough to be tempting again to new investors

[gusty light]

I think by now, after 4 years, we should have been in the beta stage of the core product (I guess MMO for Illuvium?) rather than experimenting (wilder world also comes to mind)

[sage haven]

i knew wilder world would be a rug when i found out that the founder is a totem designer and family member involvement

[verbal cove]

My sell signal was when @maiden pivot started making content about it, no regrets

[sage haven]

Yea works like a charm

[narrow creek]

He came back

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-donalds-girl-cashier-mcdonalds-cashier-gif-25952609

[sage haven]

holyf he really did

[fallen hull]

There is no path to tempting investors that doesn't include revenue. Revenue solves everything...and the interesting part is that it doesn't even need to be that much...$10M would trigger a huge reversal. Anything more would ignite ILVs superpower, buybacks & revdis. And think of the buybacks at this market cap! All the bull market this and the cycle that. None of it matters as much as revenue. My prediction: the next alt season will start when a project that everyone declared DEAD, starts to turn a profit, suprising the HELL out of everyone. What kind of projects have that potential? Place your bets.

[coral meteor]

Potential to revenue also sells

[warm nebula]

I keep scratching my head, but I think there are two separate things going on.

One... ILV is a gaming token and right now gaming tokens are 💩... good projects dragged down by the whole.

Two... the game itself feels almost completely separate from the token. Arena is fun and polished, Leviathan is improving, MMO is in development... the game side sewems to be doing pretty well. But... player count is still low, and that feels less about quality and more about onboarding, marketing, and the disjointed flow. There isn’t a clear, addictive, ongoing journey that pulls people in and keeps them there.

ILV doesn’t benefit from the game’s quality, and the game suffers from crypto perception.

You could strip away the token, market it like a normal game, and probably bring in more players. But then you'd rip away the fantasy of revdis.

dilemmas

[earnest abyss]

Whoever knows how to create absolute competition to stand out—from those who have the least to those who have the most—could make any game a success, even with terrible graphics.

[sage haven]

maybe it is time to migrate to web2

[verbal cove]

Or some good old hail mary ponzinomics

We all want breeding flavored with some rng right?

[sage haven]

it wont last a week. degens are smarter now

[warm nebula]

i mean...
thinking outside the box... what extreme things could work yk yk?

[sage haven]

maybe the problem is being crypto

after 4 years, i feel like being crypto is more of a disadvantage

when you tell your normie friends about crypto game, do they say "wow nice it's crypto" or do they say "too bad it's crypto"?

[verbal cove]

Degens will be degens till the end of time

[warm nebula]

whenever I work on a collective entity I weigh, 'what is the value/defecit ratio this piece brings to the whole'. If the piece's individual value outweighs its defecit then it is still a net positive for the whole. But as time goes on, pieces need reasessing and determine if they are still adding rather than dragging.

[sage haven]

they are on poly and kalsi

and it's binary, very simple. no need to play some game to earn

[verbal cove]

4 years explains a lot. You shouldve been there in 2018 when etherbots launched and the ferguson brothers performed their first rug. Is it the island?

[sage haven]

do you think a narrative will repeat? ICOs, defi summer, nfts, meme season

will the magician pull the same trick twice

[verbal cove]

They kind of already did with gods unchained and guild of guardians but it wont end there

I wonder if they hold ILV just for the island vibes

[sage haven]

oh u mean the imx bois, well yea they can always resurface with a new project

i mean souljaboys made a comeback in nft

[verbal cove]

Illuvium comeback will be glorious

[prime canopy]

What even is crypto anymore though?
Gauntlet is web2 f2p game + cosmetics

You can use a credit card to buy a premium in-game currency that buys all the rest, the marketplace for those items is crypto, thats it.
If you´d remove the Illuvidex from the main website, you´d have web2 game and people can go to imx/tokentrove to trade.

But you have to ask yourself, why would anyone choose to play any of these games over other options?
I can´t find a reasonable point for why play Gauntlet>TFT or other Autobattler that is niche, but has at least few thousand players to play with/interact with.

Overworld and trading concept pretty doomed as assets have no utility for over a year now and leviathan idea seems to not matter, as "believers" could be stacking things for cents on the dollar atm, but still not much volume/liquidity.

Every game is heavily subsidized with rewards even and still not many care, so the game itself can´t be that polished or fun either imo.

[gusty light]

Perhaps that recent tournament with its huge prize pot was a little too early to be doing

[warm nebula]

I just wonder what the reason was...
if to draw more players then it missed the mark. The tournament was basically a reward for players who been grinding since early on or have come over from tft.

I saw a lot of intereste early on in the IPL but that waned as ppl realized oop NGMI.

Rather than a 'world cup' of arena, might have been better to simply creat weekly sit n gos with smaller payouts that are achievable enough for new players to keep trying rather than a grand final...

so basically, i agree w u. After a larger player base, big tourney yah.

[warm nebula]

yep to most of that. except next patch gauntlet becomes leviathan standard... so that will change.

but yah, i think the hurdle is, how to get people engaged... Idk maybe it's crazy but I like the game a lot now. built up a little guild and we enjoy bullshitting and chillin and playing...

[gusty light]

Way too young/underdeveloped for a “World Cup league” thing

[prime canopy]

I obv am vocally thinking leviathan gauntlet won´t have 100 players, as p2w TFT is just idk stupid? and I am a p2w/whale guy in most games I play even, so not even biased by personal preference.

Like again why is leviathan gauntlet worth playing compared to non p2w game, why would the people you want to farm with p2w decks be playing?

[prime canopy]

the world cup thing obv waste of money, but having a prove of concept and that you actually pay out people not that bad to have, but yeah wasted a lot more than was needed for that and obv didnt onboard any TFT players/streamers like expected, team is very delusional on what it would take to make someone play this game from the EV perspective.

[gusty light]

Can someone remind me what the land nfts were for

[prime canopy]

being able to fund overworld runs or sell fuel to the ones doing those

can´t fund own runs anymore though

• make blueprints, which they do do that atm

[gusty light]

Gotcha ty

[verbal cove]

money has been the best web3gaming incentive to play since day 1, getting a small portion of fun sounds like a win compared to the average

[warm nebula]

Can’t really disagree there. Money has been the main web3 gaming incentive for a long time.

Feels like the fun right now exists more at smaller social scales... guilds, learning together, low-pressure play. Crypto hype has dried up, extraction is sparse, and top-heavy rewards mainly serve the gaming elite.

So the real question becomes... what’s the reason for new players to stick around? A welcoming social environment that encourages gameplay might matter more than EV.

[earnest abyss]

@sage haven We all like Web2 games because they’ve been around for decades and there are hundreds of thousands of them. They’re polished, familiar, and fun. When someone prefers a Web3 game over a Web2 one, it’s usually because of one key reason: ownership of intellectual property.

The real question is not whether Web3 exists, but whether a Web3 game can be just as fun as a Web2 game. And the answer is a clear yes. That leads to the next question: how many people actually understand what intellectual property means? Exactly—very few.

Web3 is deeply tied to this concept, and those of us who are already in Web3 would love for every game we play to be Web3. Unfortunately, many Web3 games aren’t as fun yet. A big reason for that is the implicit obligation to invest money, plus the complexity and friction of using wallets.

So there are three main problems. First, most people don’t understand what intellectual property really is. Second, many people lack basic cybersecurity knowledge or the ability to manage wallets safely. Third, people simply don’t want to invest money in a game.

The conclusion is pretty simple: only people who understand intellectual property are willing to invest in Web3. That means we should start by attracting users through education—teaching why intellectual property matters—instead of only focusing on how fun a game is or promising that you can get rich.

I believe the idea many teams have is the right one: attract people with a free game that gradually motivates them to participate in intellectual property ownership. But this takes time, because knowledge doesn’t develop overnight.

The real question isn’t whether Web3 will succeed. It already has. It has us—people who don’t want to play anything other than Web3 precisely because of the intellectual property we value so much. Going back to Web2 is like rejecting Bitcoin in favor of the dollar just because Bitcoin is cheap at the moment or because you lost money on it.

[prime canopy]

Welcoming social anything will likely be hard in anything crypto especially after NFTs are sold/tokens exist etc. though.

The whole indie game argument with fun people to be around is a good one I agree, ILV felt like that in 2022/2023 even, but hasn’t since imo.
Every topic/release has been about $ and crypto extraction topics and whole DAO thing has politicized all of it in every part of discord as well.

[shadow geyser]

Found a youtube channel a week ago with really good views and it was a solo dev making a wow classic inspired mmo solo in godot. Zero production value, just him talking over him walking in his own world. Didnt even look great. But everyone immediately sees its authentic.

[prime canopy]

I can see people wanting to interact with that, sounds chill.

People think Genshin/HSR make mid 8 figures/month cause Waifu, but I think it is because they are the best at creating communities/social media for people to share things/interact with each other around releases or struggles/positive moments/lore/w.e. in the game. + obv insane everythign all around (but the insane graphics/cinematics stuff could be cut and still good)

[shadow geyser]

I think weve lost that authentic sound comparatively lately due to being afraid of investors and extractors + bad execution here and there and paid for it in a lot of trust

[prime canopy]

I think so as well

[maiden pivot]

I would add that asian communities rally around this sense of social belonging a lot more when it comes to video games

[prime canopy]

USA is a big market for these as well and big on social media anything.

Be it shorts/videos/reddit/X/etc.

Europe is just antisocial brokies though yeah

[maiden pivot]

Yeah not discounting the culture in the USA, just saying its a bit more dominant in Asia. And so you find it more often surrounding asian games.

Might also relate to the number of people in those countries tbh.

But Wuthering or whichever one, winning peoples choice at game awards every year is pretty telling.

[maiden pivot]

Europe is interesting because I don't think they band together in quite the same way.

Italy bands around a specific game, so might Sweden or France. But they don't all necessarily gravitate towards the exact same game at any given time or anything.

USA and a country like China are a bit less 'separated' culturally. At least when it comes to video game preference.

What I have seen at least. But in the way Europe as a whole isn't the same, I'd say an individual EU country isn't too different to the USA in their social nature. They are just all individually several magnitudes smaller.

[sage haven]

Owning nft in web3 doesnt mean you own the intellectual property. mostly the studio retains the rights and you are only licensing.

wdym we dont want to play anythinf other than web3?
have you seen arc raiders? cyberpunk, exploration 33?

Going back to web2 is like buying NVDA instead of ETH because ETH is the worst performing asset with similar to bigger mcap

This is the problem with web3 people. They think they are the smarter than the rest of the population. You are not, the smartest are working on AI and robotics

please stop burying head in the sand and watch 2025 the game awards

[prime canopy]

EU-countries and US-states are a big difference, individual countries might not get along and have vastly different people, also often don´t even speak the same language, as not everyone speaks English.

Western europe is mostly few decades back as well and rejects new things, so video games aren´t as culturally accepted or even seen as positives, most just want to sit in their secure 9-5 and do the "accepted" lower middle class life. Playing and or spending a lot on games people will dislike you.

[manic arrow]

I mean i have no sympathy for these games "dying" - you can hardly even call them games. A lot of the "best" games out there are pathetic in comparison to even games in the 2000s.

You make some garbage card NFT ownership "game" and think its gonna last ? People ain't play that shit - come on

[maiden pivot]

Yeah they don't accept video games in quite the same way in some of the EU countries for sure.

It's become a norm in many places but it's easy to forget that's relatively new. Only 15 years ago playing WoW classified U as a permanent virgin.

The good old days

[earnest abyss]

You wish cyberpunk and arc raiders were web 3. Admit it.

[sage haven]

have you played the games?

[maiden pivot]

cyberpunk no.

Arc coulda been good web 3, dont see why not

[coral meteor]

Lol 5

[coral meteor]

Do you know how to invest into those? IA, automatización, robótics.. seems promising

Fiiiinally they decided in only leviathan, my goodness that took a long time

[sage haven]

There are some ETFs for that sector

[inner quest]

People like web2 games because they’re fun. Or at least they used to be

[warm nebula]

fun is subjective right?
some people want simple fun... others, complicated fun XD

[maiden pivot]

well said daddyratty.

I usually like stupid complex fun. But sometimes i play bf6

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/leroy-jenkins-world-of-warcraft-mmorpg-gaming-v-ideo-game-gif-5180967337408204325

[maiden pivot]

The most good old days

[spiral shadow]

Good ol days. I liked complex stupid fun until I had a son lol. Congrats on engagement!

[sage haven]

others want financial pain while playing broken games

[warm nebula]

that sounds like complicated fun

[inner quest]

Lol I mean sure. There are web2 games that are both

[maiden pivot]

Thank you kind sir! Just taking life one step at a time! Or knee in this case

[maiden pivot]

i actually love spreadsheet games. Zed Run was my first. So damn fun

[warm nebula]

now i know where u got it from 😄

[opaque scroll]

5.5 holyyyyyyyy

Are we going down for real?!

[sage haven]

Do you have eyes?

[gusty light]

Sir it has been going down consistently for a while

[sage haven]

look at the bright side, if it goes to $1 this bear then $20 is a 20x

[opaque scroll]

No what I mean is going down like i think soon a news will be posted tht they wont continue ILV project anymore like other games

[sage haven]

ser please i havent got my final pay

[opaque scroll]

Rip us my bro 💔 i invested a lot

[sage haven]

wdym us, i only have exactly 1 ILV

[opaque scroll]

I can wait 3-5yrs for break even. I hope we can withstand the current hurdles right now

[sage haven]

sjud got more ILV than me lol

[sage haven]

Whats your average

[opaque scroll]

I already waited 2yrs. I can wait 3-5 more years. My avg is $43 fck me man 💔

Thats x9 from where we are now…

[sage haven]

damn sorry fam

[gusty light]

Could be securing more runway by selling some IlV at these prices. Better than selling it at 1 usd

[gusty light]

Need more runway for that 🫣

[opaque scroll]

Nah i believe we will bounce but not more than 10

[sage haven]

i think a good solution is doing OF

[gusty light]

Good game = good revenue

[sage haven]

oof

[maiden pivot]

Kieran OF to create token buybacks.

I'm kidding obvs.

[quiet thorn]

I think the game of chicken within the team is about to start over who will sell last

[sage haven]

pls explain ser

[quick heron]

That's a crazy take

[gusty light]

yes trust me, ex video game player

[verbal cove]

Maybe that game already started years ago

[fathom cradle]

spare a thought for the scammers also struggling in this market 🙁

[cloud marten]

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[spiral shadow]

That’s the best way to do it

[prime canopy]

Maybe a game off how much can you sell without people noticing and sending the token to 0.

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-little-dark-buddy-kevin-alejandro-dan-espinoza-lucifer-kinda-dark-gif-17388318

[jagged fulcrum]

🫡

[north tartan]

Why dosent the market react more with that numbers?

[sage haven]

market is unsure whether to take this as soft landing or beginning of a recession.
unemployment higher than expected, CPI is way lower than expected might suggest weaker demand

either way signal for more cuts

we are also waiting for BOJ

[narrow creek]

Wen moon

Wen lambo

[sage haven]

2029

[narrow creek]

Screw you jag

[sage haven]

anyway BLS ommited october

https://tenor.com/view/trump-you-know-it-i-know-it-everybody-knows-it-its-true-gif-16888856309782946760

[jagged fulcrum]

Some base effects at play here from the YoY reading meaning this and the next print should be decent.

A little of a softball but MoM data was at 0.1% also so certainly positive.

Does support the cut the FED just made and increases the likelihood of more cuts 26.

Bare in mind on core this is the lowest reading since 21 but some of the data that is usually collected is likely missing from this print due to the shutdown.

[sage haven]

it's not likely lol
Read the report, BLS said it themself they didnt do the survery due to shutdown

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[sage haven]

kudos to trump tho he defeated inflation by not doing the survey
🧠

[north tartan]

Ok soo you think the cpi will go up next time around ?

[verbal cove]

@sage haven do we open a 100x $ILV long here to become filthy rich by kierans moonhall?

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-new-year-yes-nodding-nod-agree-gif-3532256

[hexed whale]

is it time to buy yet @sage haven

[inner quest]

Pretty low fellas

[arctic vault]

5,4$

[narrow creek]

Solana at 117

Jeeze

[alpine orbit]

wow, $5.48 ilv... when so called "alt" season? 😂

[sage haven]

march 2024

[sage haven]

Priced in

[odd thorn]

Is the total ILV quantity (supply) still 10 million or has it changed?

[brazen void]

Its 9,5 in total

[odd thorn]

... it's very strange that ILV is dropping so much. Do you have any idea why?

[gusty light]

Can I ask why you find it strange?

[odd thorn]

Because I've never seen it at $5. And I've been following Illuvium almost since the beginning... Anyone selling at $5 is because they bought lower, likely someone who bought seed and pre-seed many years ago... But if you wanted to sell, why do it now at $5 and not at $40 a few months ago?! 😳 You understand I find that strange... If they've changed the rules of the game, then everything changes...

[gusty light]

There is such a thing as selling an asset at a loss. If one bought higher and want to cut a loss they’ll sell (most people can’t do this though hence bag holders exist). Or they may feel they can buy more tokens for cheaper later so sell and rebuy. If they sold at 10 and bought back now, they’d have more. This is not uncommon behaviour. Perhaps there’s a better asset out there they want to rotate into with potentially better upside. Capital rotation (albeit with less capital that you started with) is a thing also. Theres no universal rule to say you can’t sell for a loss :/ and tbh if I have lost faith then I’d rather sell now than potentially 1 USD (as an example, not implying this happens)

[sage haven]

Cut loss

And there can be token distribution from the treasury too which cost $0

[gusty light]

What is this ser?

[sage haven]

Idk sounds made up

[gusty light]

Thank you for the clarification

[brazen void]

That’s for noobs

[prime canopy]

People tend to sell when they think something will go lower than it currently is or when they need money to buy something else.
Not many left who believe anything web3 gaming will do well and ILV doesn’t have any good metrics personally either, rather the opposite.

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/freshly-cried-fud-tears-crypto-fud-fud-gif-4790474461215566298

[inner quest]

Probably because they thought it would go higher than 40

[narrow creek]

EVERYTHING is dropping lol

The bear

[prime canopy]

question is which tokens can recover at some point

[gusty light]

And those which have enough funding to last or stay alive

[sage haven]

Stonk and gold are up

[gusty light]

we live in a crypto echo chamber ser

[quiet thorn]

Pls dont panic. 5dol hold strong

[hallow patio]

who hold it?

[gusty light]

I respect your continued changes in support zones

[quiet thorn]

Now we are in a golden pocket

[hazy orchid]

And silver

although i sold most of mine too early

wasnt expecting $60+

so quickly at least

preforming like a shitcoin

[narrow creek]

Dangit

[low ravine]

There are 50 meme coins with a larger market cap than Illuvium. People really don’t understand the value of assets.

[quiet thorn]

At the moment, I think the valuation is about 10 times higher than the fair value, but that could change once the MMO is completed.

[ornate crescent]

2x listened to AMA...absolutely brutal. Passing on some hope/encouragement that if the Clarify Act gets passed, 2026 could make up for 2025. For people whose outlook is that we are on some type of old-school 4-year cycle with AltSeason blooming for 60 days every 4 years (probably do not understand or appreciate that fact), then I suggest you revisit your thesis. Everything is different this time around.

[hazy orchid]

I don’t know how anyone could even remotely think alt season is a thing when literally ai can make its own tokens on the fly

Or a 12 year old

[ornate crescent]

wise words...there is no second best. Keep on King K about Risk to Earn. There is no other runway.

[hazy orchid]

Like I told someone the other day this is what adoption looks like and although not everyone got rich and made it this is what it looks like. Less and less coins matter. Few will be the outliers that make it.

The technology is being used

Just not to get people rich quick anymore

What’s big right now

Kalshi

Don’t they say recessions breed gambling and alcoholism

Whoever they are

I don’t think the risk to earn thing will save us personally, I mean like muffinman said I prefer to play a game not just watch it as much

But can’t help that people have an appetite for gambling

[sage haven]

why would anyone take a huge risk investing in crypto when tradfi can give better returns, for example nvda, pltr, companies with real earnings and application

btc is fine, but anything other is shtcoin

[hazy orchid]

shit even silver gave me a better return than most stuff lol

and it held my floor down nicely

[sage haven]

yea even boomer metals are printing

[hazy orchid]

Who’s ready to finally see Jake Paul get KOed

[coral lake]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[coral lake]

is there a werewolf threat we should know about ?.?

its okay guys.. no werewolf threat. Just an AI BOOM

[hazy orchid]

lol every commentator saying Jake gets knocked out

Did you see the massive size difference

Jake’s agents must’ve not been paid enough

[coral lake]

xD

[sage haven]

it's a soap opera

[north shale]

That was so cringe to watch….

[hazy orchid]

I usually wouldn’t feel bad for someone like that but man

He had no right to be in that ring

[north shale]

https://tenor.com/view/rich-cash-lots-of-money-all-the-moneys-cash-pile-gif-12072442202585439870

[sage haven]

jake is decent for a youtuber tho

[hazy orchid]

I mean he landed 3 punches I’ll give him that

Anthony gave him a couple rounds to feel him out

And then ended him

Plus Paul was completely out of shape

[north shale]

Maybe, do we really know though? His fights have seemed staged AF.

[hazy orchid]

Looked like he came off the couch

I think all his fights were staged to this point

The Tommy fury fight was supposed to be

[north shale]

Boxing skills or not, was weird to see Jake that tired so quickly.

[hazy orchid]

They stuck him in the ring with a 6’6” Olympic gold medalist, monster

He needed to knock him out quick

He was never gonna make the distance

[sage haven]

jake should have waited like 15 more years when joshua is much older

[hazy orchid]

Basically Paul needed to get lucky

[hazy orchid]

Yes like 65

Or older

Or cut his arms and legs down by 6”

And his conditioning in half

It was embarrassing all around

I feel bad for the dude

Other then marketing

Like I told my wife

He killed it

She’s watching I’m watching

Everyone is

He is a great promoter

[north shale]

Well, they got paid. Thats what that fight was all about really..

[hazy orchid]

She didn’t give. A shit about boxing but she knew who Jake Paul was and was suddenly invested

Too bad he scammed everyone with that ZooNft token lol

[north shale]

That was his brother tho, wasnt it?

[hazy orchid]

Oh I don’t know

I thought it was him

They are one person to me

[sage haven]

logan said he was gonna refund everyone

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-i-lied-bootie-barker-nascar-full-speed-i-wasn't-telling-the-truth-netflix-gif-1089117267549793306

[sage haven]

well this is our future generation.
jake/logan, steve, banks, neon

i like ispeed tho

[hazy orchid]

At least he’s an actual athlete

[north shale]

https://tenor.com/view/awesomeness-tv-awesomeness-tv-gifs-awesomeness-you-tube-the-commute-youth-gif-9675755

[hazy orchid]

I’m old

[coral lake]

Looks like AJ may have actually broken JP jaw.. lol

Jake pauls fights help all the other cards - the man has influence

wouldnt be surprised if he goes to wrestling with logan after this

[coral lake]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-grand-pa-millenial-old-gif-10484595

^starting to see what abe meant now -.-'

[hazy orchid]

Yea like I said he just brought more eyes to boxing than anyone in years

[hazy orchid]

I been there

[narrow creek]

I don’t think this is good for boxing long term imo. We can’t keep on having dudes with little experience boxing elite guys. AJ should knocked him out like he did Francis

[sage haven]

i enjoy watching a youtuber getting pummeled

[narrow creek]

UFC is the future can’t wait to watch fights on paramount now

[sage haven]

just imagine how many degens got rekt from this fight

feels like btc is ready for the dcb, probing some longs, testing if wintermute is done selling

[verbal cove]

How about your fight vs josh? Or will it continue to be about lines on a chart in this chat forever?

[sage haven]

how much are we talking about

[narrow creek]

We need a weigh in

[verbal cove]

both claim to be filthy rich by drawing lines on charts so I would say a million is a nice number

maybe a million + the money you got from council, that was a free lunch anyway

or how about the loser has to buy 1 million $ of $ILV? That way both can be winners

[fathom cradle]

i think most got rekt on early knock out thinking jakes just a youtuber

[north shale]

For sure. Think it was scripted though that AJ should just chill first few rounds, or it would upset a lot of people if the fight was over in 1 min.

[fathom cradle]

maybe yea, i just think its not too uncommon for mismatches of skills or styles to look like that. Plus even more people upset if 1 person of the huge camps was to leak a script

and you could easily script more excitment than that, eg body shots ect

[sage haven]

i never did. But ill do a million, 12 months.

[sage haven]

lol he said jp should come back next year but fight lightweight instead

[narrow creek]

He wants canelo

[ornate crescent]

must say, I would love to see the ETH unicorns survive this...maybe DDoS is the new DePIN play for EVM?

[sage haven]

lol

[coral lake]

Verified xD

ouchie, AJ destroyed him. toying with him the whole time. gonna be a little while to fully recover. might even have to hang up the gloves

[sage haven]

oof i guess hes gonna be eating from a tube for awhile

[narrow creek]

Nah he’s making too much money to hang it up. He’ll fight canelo. Canelo isn’t the best boxer anymore. Crawford boxed him up.

But he should be good enough to toy with Jake Paul. 💀

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-ugh-headache-gif-7532429

[hazy orchid]

If I was him I would reconsider canelo

[verbal cove]

If I was him I would buy some ILV

[narrow creek]

We are pre rich

[vast shadow]

Can anyone direct me to the guide for buying and staking in the new version?

[silent moth]

Pinned here #🥩〕staking message

[vast shadow]

Thank you

[narrow creek]

💀💀💀

[sage haven]

[quiet thorn]

I think we can still see nice christmas pump up to 6.84dol

[narrow creek]

Not an even $7?

[sage haven]

i hope $10

[sage haven]

fine $9.99

[maiden pivot]

Straight to 2k. NFA

[sage haven]

Need jesus to buy

[prime canopy]

Might buy at 2-3$ if runway gets scam extended

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[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/nolimit-kyro-shocked-gherbo-gif-25157023

[vast tide]

Gets scam extended?

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[sage haven]

ex council it calling scam 👀

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[vast tide]

Referring to Viper?

[sage haven]

didnt expect for him to use that word

[vast tide]

Yeah well he’s a drunk and it’s late in Europe - not too shocked / care what he has had to say p much ever

[sage haven]

alcohol makes people honest i guess

[vast tide]

Also ragebaiting

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

this channel is more interesting than watching Top G gasping for air

you know AI is in a bubble when silver is called an AI play

[maiden pivot]

Most conductive metal in existence. Silver is always some degree of 'tech' play.

But I agree that they aren't all that linked hahah.

[sage haven]

the hyperscalers are losing money on AI. once one of them fold, the house of card will crumble so quickly

they dont even want the datacenters on their books

[maiden pivot]

I think Silver works better for things like electric vehicles etc anyways. Its most useful for batteries.

I think many of these AI companies will fall apart, but I don't think Silver will see some reckoning or anything.

[sage haven]

more like this trend will have a correction, and it will be gen wealth entry.
i think crypto is cooked, it has been the trade of the decade, the next one will be AI and robotics

it was dotcom, then housing, then crypto and now AI

now i understand why lots of satoshi era OGs sold after holding for 10-15 years.
the job is finished, we have government dan institution adoption. the trade is done

Many jobs are permanently lost to AI.
dont fight the trend.
even E33 used generative AI, i personally depend on chatgpt to work and daily life. cant even do sht without asking chatgpt

my wife would ask me stuff and i always reply with: ask chatgpt

on the other hand, when was the last time you see or heard the IRL people around you need crypto?

[maiden pivot]

I can see this view for sure, but its not like those past trends completely disappeared or anything?

Eg u cant bet on stupid website names, but websites are still a major component of building business.

Real Estate has never really been a 'bad trade'. Just not the best one possible.

I think its fair that buying after a massive crash is always the gen wealth play, especially in whatever sector fell off a cliff, or will repair it.

[sage haven]

bitcoin will continue to grow but at a diminished rate. you will prob outperform by investing in AI/robotics for the next decade.
the past trend doesnt dissappear they are just not as hot as when they were running.
of course real estate will follow its cycle, but we prob wont see a striper owning 5 mortgages on flexible rate

[maiden pivot]

I still see bitcoin as a flight to safety for the most part. We already see this in any country with hyperinflation, when they aren't going into USD.

But its only a matter of time until USD enters a hyperinflation cycle.

people gotta go somewhere.

[sage haven]

spaceX

[prime canopy]

Semi joke reply re getting another raise even though atm no metric or anything would justify it+ token price is so low you’d have to sell a lot, meaning you need to increase price before, which again seems not that real/likely atm

Idk why I should be drunk for typing this, pretty realistic view.

No other company seems to get a raise either, so would look weird if Illuvium ends up being the one and only, but sure maybe enough VCs want to double down if they didn’t sell yet.

[maiden pivot]

I do actually agree with Musk that multiplanetary is the only way forward eventually. But we got 1000+ years til its necessary anyways.

[maiden pivot]

I think if a bull doesn't occur in 2026, and even half 2027, I think the broader alts market has far bigger problems tbh. It needs some upwards movement to maintain interest.

[prime canopy]

I mean yeah some soon miracle bull market for alts is the only realistic save on that angle.
That scenario would more or less be politics influencing markets as well though.

Which sure maybe we get the „sc4m“ pump into midterms, would make sense, but not necessarily be the most natural thing.

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[sage haven]

spacex owns starlink. people who are living with fckin NBN depend on starlink

i paid $1800 surcharge just to get starlink in my area

[maiden pivot]

The running theory is the gov gotta print at some stage. But I guess we will see

[maiden pivot]

Nbn has the same speeds as starlink as far as I can tell.

As long as u fiber to the premises.

[sage haven]

well we dont have it

[prime canopy]

We get trumps guys soon, so a realistic option, still got issues re JP or CN that could start unfolding at some point though.

[narrow creek]

Woah

[earnest abyss]

The dollar bubble definitely can't stay up forever, and we all know the AI will fall, but we don't know when. So how much money are we talking about, and is BTC really strong and safe? It would be strange if someone didn't think so.

[maiden pivot]

No one truly has the answer. But the USD needs to hyperinflate eventually

[prime canopy]

Dollar can go and stay up for a while (insert gif of some aircraft carriers)

[split marsh]

https://x.com/Rogiervdbeek/status/2003046763654197411?s=20

Rogier van de Beek ♊️ (@Rogiervdbeek)

After 5 years the journey comes to an end - Thank you for all the love and support, wish the Illuvium team and the community all the best for 2026! Going to miss you all! Cheers!

X · Dec 22, 2025, 10:15 AM

[ornate crescent]

SpaceX is a global logistics (move shit with rockets versus cargo ships) and global telecommunications that makes the autonomous revelation with bots feasible. Mars is an aspirational rallying call for hardcore engineers to join the cause (talent acquisition)…musk industries received over 3M applications for hire in 25 alone.

[sage haven]

fck

jag is out
rogie is out
only @shadow geyser left

https://tenor.com/view/14allall41-gif-22401551

[ornate crescent]

who is holding the VONC card?

[sage haven]

people who got the most vILV?

[quick heron]

people are missing that this is actually bullish for ILV

[sage haven]

[quick heron]

do you think this was the big announcement Kieran was teasing about?

[sage haven]

idk

[true tree]

I am missing it so explain it to me.

[fathom cradle]

what was his role again?

[stiff stratus]

Art director 🤣

[fathom cradle]

thought that was it. S tier work! Let us all know what you are working on next

[narrow creek]

Why is he leaving?

[short flax]

All the best legend! Huge fan of your work & mindset

[sage haven]

wanna do meme?

[short flax]

bahaha they call him Bottom G now 😭

[verbal cove]

we're going to cut on art since we already have too many jpegs in this space. Fully pixelated blow-off top mmo incoming with some good old ponzinomics. Buckle up

[shadow geyser]

Wen ascii mmo

[verbal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[inner quest]

Yea I’m curious about this too.

[quiet thorn]

I think the answer is pretty simple if you think about it a bit

[ionic marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-gif-20663746

[narrow creek]

Hmmm… ILV is done for 🤔

[arctic vault]

Good luck man

[inner quest]

The coin dying?

[arctic vault]

No. We’re heading toward a new all-time high. The non-believers are selling their tokens — they’ll regret it later.

Your lands will generate a lot of fuel. By the way, land is the only source of fuel in the game. The only one.

Strong Illuvials will be in short supply. Finding or buying a perfect Illuvial will be an incredible luxury (no, not the price of a pack of cigarettes — a real luxury!).

Soon we’ll all be buying a Netflix subscription, because there will be a series.

Be sure to buy official Illuvium NFTs on OpenSea — they have huge potential (you didn’t forget they exist, did you?).

We’ll make the best autobattler in the world — everyone will be shocked (what do you mean no one needs it? No problem, we’ll try to make something else again).

Trust me, my friend, when the biggest Gauntlet tournament takes place, everyone around will be talking about it (what do you mean only Gauntlet players knew about it?).

My forecast:
$2,000 per ILV token by the end of this year.
$6,000 for T3 land in Zero.
$400+ for perfect Tier 1, Stage 1 Illuvials.

Most importantly — we value our token holders.

We will never:

1. Leak insider information to our brother so he can sell ILV tokens, and then, months later, publicly write on X that he never sold any ILV tokens.
2. Sell our own tokens (oops).

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/ru-serious-seriously-bruh-gif-19624926

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/what-what-did-i-just-read-what-did-i-just-see-snutt-staring-at-screen-gif-1060404877945044399

[quiet thorn]

I knew that Winnie knows how to play this game

[arctic vault]

Yep.
Step 1.

[arctic vault]

Step 2.

[hazy orchid]

I think he’s speaking about when Synthaman got hacked and he loaned ilv money afaik

[hazy orchid]

This thumbnail lol

[sterile ledge]

Yep looks bad, really bad. For those fish that bought ILV at a high price. Expensive lessons.

[arctic vault]

It’s experience. Valuable experience. I’m grateful to Kieran for it.
He taught me how to filter information and promises from the internet.

[sterile ledge]

I'm not very grateful because I have to work triple time now, but I'm a fish.

[arctic vault]

Of course, everyone is responsible for their own actions.
We made a mistake, and only we are to blame for it.

[sage haven]

my fav is the retire in revdis video

remember when $5/ILV was the monthly revdis prediction

[sterile ledge]

Alive and healthy — that’s what matters. They could do it, so they did.

[arctic vault]

You’re absolutely right, my friend. Everything is fine. I’m not angry. I actually find it amusing to observe and analyze my mistakes over time.

[sage haven]

and wiser

[sterile ledge]

Young and inexperienced, but we learn over time. But personally, I wouldn't screw up that many people. It would weigh on my conscience. 🙂

[sage haven]

First rule of crypto is dont get dumped

[quick heron]

well first the new mmo veteran gaming directors left, now Rogier. The Illuvium Leadership Team is reshuffling the department heads to gear for the next product launch. Trust the process

Building an MMO is the highest risk and reward you can do. Amazon invested MILLIONS into New World and it still failed. All the Money, distributions and connections still lead to a shut down of New World.

Illuvium Labs is going all in, hiring new minds and blowing everyone out of the Water. Just you wait!

This is just my personal opinion, but after 5 years, Rogier might not see the vision anymore. He was one of the first hires. Imagine working 5 years on something so hard just to leave it behind....

NFA

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-crying-madebytats-gif-5573984866610735732

[true tree]

It is a sad day.

[wispy warren]

Rogier left?

[shadow geyser]

Imagine being a web2 gamer and searching for illuvium and these are your results

Guess we need a good game and some web2 style popular videos

[hallow patio]

web-2 player will be scare from ranger waves sword and have 4 buttons in rotation.
if they come after wow/lost-ark, any other mmo.

[wispy warren]

Could this token reach 400 dollar ever again? god i love this game but i feel so mislead these years and and directions we are going

[gusty light]

Would that put the valuation at 4 billion? Hmm 🤔

[swift moon]

And where was this energy/feedback when they first announced the MMO? All I remember is being called a troll for being against that pivot. As a web2 player I think it's also silly for everyone to run around with their pets. It's going to create so much clutter. Might as well have more players in, rather than pets. There are better ways we could have utilized illuvials into the MMO

[shadow geyser]

We need to work on "waves sword and 4 buttons" 100%

But if we try to stand out on combat in the mmo landscape versus arguably the best tab target combat and 2.5d combat mmos respectively, weve already lost

Combat needs to be fun and unique,not compete with wow, lost ark and bdo

[shadow geyser]

I still really like the way ff16 deals with infusing their ability set with eikons for illuvials but def less emotional bond that way as well

[hallow patio]

if you made different gameplay:
Ranger is illuvial master which fight with his team -
you can put in your team 3-5 illuvials, every have 3-5 diff abilitys/omega.
and you can choice your specialisations: healer/support, Damage dealer, tank, anything else.
and based on choice specialization you can pick illuvials, and then controll them.
yes with conception of open world it will not work if everyone will run with 5 illuvials, but can work around it: you run with 1, and when use ability of other he come to help, or something like that.

it will made nostalgy feels by pokemon lover.
it's can made something new with gameplay.

i don't know what you made with current mmo light. but i hope it will be interesting to farm it at lest.
like grinding of maps in poe

[arctic vault]

I think yep
#💰〕token message

[swift moon]

Yeah broo, something like that is going to work so much better. Each illuvial represents an ability. Each ability 3 stages. Each stage takes respective stats of the illuvial. For max tpi unlock something further.

If we want bond, an ultimate ability or another spell can summon the illuvial for a limited time.

Or, each spell is casted 3 times, starting from it's stage 1 version, then stage 2, then stage 3, then a full rotation is completed. Upon several of those, we summon the illuvial which we charged.

It can be like Harry Potter, depending what type of spells you used and charges obtain - you summon different illuvials.

That way there is incentive to go after all stages of illuvials and higher tpis too. It being mostly pve doesn't hurt with a bit of p2w either.

Just a few ideas

[ornate crescent]

Get'em Lone Ranger Tom. He receives a $15m up front payment, upon shareholder approval on Jan 15th. He also gets awarded PSU's (performance stock units) when he hits 4% (500k PSUs) and 5% (1m PSUs) of the ETH supply respectively. I would be an ETH Bull as well with those incentives...his shareholders are only down 45% this quarter so small price to pay for such investing genius.

[sage haven]

bitminer shareholders are dumber than i thought

[fathom cradle]

to be fair wasnt MicroStrategy in the red for years

[sage haven]

mstr is investing in btc, bmnr is buying a shtcoin

[fathom cradle]

whats the general break down of your crypto holdings

[sage haven]

stables, trading btc and some shtcoin like eth, sol for this dead cat bounce

[narrow creek]

Keep seeing more post about how sol is a dead coin

[sage haven]

crypto is.
while stonk and rocks doing great

[verbal cove]

sentiment so bad that it might be a good entry. Just smile at your grandfather during Christmas dinner when he talk about his silver sack. Zoom out and make him cry like he bought ILV at 1800$

[sage haven]

option expiry on the 26th

[ornate crescent]

anyone seeing a trend? public service announcement SOL still trades at 1/5th the value of ETH...this trend will break too...Ethereum has $200,000 market cap per daily transaction.
Solana has under $1,000; one could argue that Solana is 200 times more efficient at putting capital to work than Ethereum.

[sage haven]

oof that GDP is not good for cuts

i guess now we know why trump was cooking cpi numbers. midterm

[ornate crescent]

.

[sage haven]

meanwhile BoJ raising rates and RBA planning to raise rate next year

[obsidian bronze]

What is the current status of MMO? Is it in the beta test? And when would be the mobile version opening target date?

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-nate-bargatze-gif-1712690635348172944

[narrow creek]

Merry CHRISTMAS guys! 🎄

[sage haven]

Merry Christmas from Trump

[quiet thorn]

I understood that a closed beta test for a small group might come in January, and vertical slice will come later.

[obsidian bronze]

Thank you. Do you know the rough timeline for mobile version?

[quiet thorn]

I'm pretty sure you won't see that if the computer version doesn't succeed

[obsidian bronze]

Yeah agree. I hope the success of MMO.

[torn oar]

@sage haven calling eth a shitcoin is....

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-funny-good-one-gif-10820434279148874810

so much knowledge inside your skull omg I am truly impressed

[sage haven]

ok maybe sarcasm.
but please open tradingview, overlay eth chart with spy, gold, silver for the past 4 years.
After that create a new layout and overlay eth with nvda and pltr.
lastly, overlay eth with btc.
if you still cant see it by the end of this excercise, well 🫡

[torn oar]

I bought a massive stack of eth at 80 dollars, try to teach me ser...maybe i ll learn

but you right..gold at 1500 was cheap and i scooped 1kg 😉

[quiet thorn]

You can buy massive stack ilv too

[torn oar]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-you-smart-smart-gif-4495825

[sage haven]

too bad you didnt buy nvda at $12

[sage haven]

oh sorry didnt realise this is a larp channel

https://tenor.com/view/eduardo-sterblitch-eduardo-sterblitch-laugh-smile-gif-21515066

[torn oar]

you can t compete sorry

[sage haven]

im sorry you listened to tom lee

[torn oar]

I am sorry you are only a trader wannabe

maybe wen I was trading youwere at the elementary school..dunno

find a job, trust me bro

poor guy

[sage haven]

good thing i have a job. i dnt play a game with 50 active player for a living

[torn oar]

I am retired...keep working liittle boy

[inner quest]

ILV is so low I can’t even afford my ladyboy addiction

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

good, AI is better

[torn oar]

ramen can be expensive..keep working

[sage haven]

especially when you hodle ETH

Imagine getting outperformed by fiat, must be the sound money

[torn oar]

sure sure..now go back to your tree, nobody cares if you have a job at kfc...but you can do it one day

[sage haven]

said the unemployed. i guess we know why trump didnt want jobs report

[torn oar]

said the guy who struggle to survive

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/me-looking-for-the-jok-me-looking-for-the-joke-where-is-the-joke-joke-over-head-looking-for-joke-gif-25176801

[torn oar]

cmn..hurry..the boss is waiting...don be late

[sage haven]

ill come back when ur funny

[torn oar]

come back wen you are clever..maybe never

[sage haven]

maybe try chatgpt

[torn oar]

you can t compete Jag...sorry...in 2019 I was trading for real not like you....but I understand your frustration..
salute Tradingview expert

[sage haven]

do they have AI on facebook?

[torn oar]

dunno, ask you room mate

[sage haven]

trading for real, but posted $180k btc in december

https://tenor.com/view/dfv-stream-roaring-kitty-quant-the-big-short-gif-12363088646630314477

[torn oar]

who

I wrote let s see...bro..cmon

me trading 2019..maybe you didn read the dates

you are trading now..but as you said you have a job maybe your trading skills aren t so good eh

[sage haven]

lol ur typing like a boomer

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[torn oar]

yes and you like a never grow up child....but WHO

[sage haven]

i guess dr who is popular during your time, we got avengers now ser

[torn oar]

who?

[sage haven]

[torn oar]

cares

@copper steppe this is for you hahahaha

[sage haven]

ask the nurse to get netflix in the aged care ser

you need a smart tv tho, the monitor goes to the computer

[torn oar]

you need to buy a brain, but maybe you can t afford it, dm me if you need some pocket money

[cloud marten]

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[torn oar]

ok enuff..was fun but need to do some stuff, was a pleasure Jag, fr

[sage haven]

likewise, its time for your nap ser

[inner quest]

The job market is pretty bad. Even in 2008 it didn’t seem this bad

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

Strap in. Quants is predicting btc to go to $180k in 5 days

if btc goes up $20k per day we can make it

[torn oar]

who?

starting the shift at kfc? or they fired you already? dammn feels bad being you even for a second ser 🙂

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/colonel-colonel-sanders-dancing-queen-dancingcolonel-kfc-gif-12963709

[wide mango]

i think you two should go back to just talk about some lines on some candle charts and stay away from all the personal banter 🙂

[sage haven]

yes i want to see his TA on $180K btc by december

[torn oar]

sorry no charts about this..he s delusional..nver posted TA chart past 2022..but he s funny tho.

I just said "we will see" but u right Spoon. i was a bit confused wen he said eth is a shitcoin and he immediately tried to be the teacher ahahah

[sage haven]

you quoted a 80% move in Q4 and reposted this suggesting btc catching up to global m2 and gold.

[sage haven]

let me ask you a simple question.
how much has eth price has grown over the cycle compared to its previous ATH?

[torn oar]

it s not my chart or you are just blind it s a repost mate...be real once in a while..no charts since 2021 maybe 22

[sage haven]

so you reposted because you disagree with those posts?

[torn oar]

no but claiming I charted it it s false Jag

[sage haven]

when did i claimed you charted it lol
it's a repost

[torn oar]

I truly think btc will boom pretty soonish tho yes so?

[sage haven]

i want to see how you justify reposting (agreeing) to those posts. i expect you can produce a TA since you claimed to be a "real" trader

[torn oar]

ah..no you expecting ah oook nvm

[sage haven]

i expect a dcb

[torn oar]

have a good 2026 Jag, u deserve it

[sage haven]

i even got my wife to buy btc. check the date and the price on that date

if u dnt have teamviewer, you can try boomer site like cmc. no need to install

[torn oar]

did you try flowsurface? much better than anything else, and it s free, give it a try, i think you will love it

[sage haven]

nah i dont need to pretend i can read order flow

[torn oar]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[sage haven]

def $180k in 4 days

[quick heron]

I didnt know Kindergarden was open during the holiday season

[analog crow]

Brilliant, gonna have to remove cmc from my bookmarks now 😭

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

crypto is the future.
the future:

[narrow creek]

lol zoom out

[fathom cradle]

when your grandma outtrades you 🙁

only took 14 years for silver to beat its previous ath

[coral lake]

materiel goods is a safe haven for investers during times of conflict it seems

start prospecting

[sage haven]

zooming out is even worse lol

nvda 28x

[narrow creek]

What time table are we talking about? Cuz tell me something that went from $1 to 87k in like 12 years lol. NVDA and silver took many years to finally take off. Congrats to the boomers that finally got rich after holding all these years

https://tenor.com/view/dance-simpsons-grandpa-party-gif-6171889

Well I guess I’m wrong about silver it did spike 3 times pretty hard in its 50 year existence lol

Wonder what 1975, 2008 and 2025 have in common to cause silver to spike like this? 🤔 seriously tho lol

[sage haven]

gold and silver price didnt start at $1 lol.
and look at their move vs their mcap

[narrow creek]

I know they didn’t start at $1. Just saying nothing has made moves like bitcoin. Pretty sure bitcoin started at like cents.

In such short time

[true tree]

Recessions

[narrow creek]

My gosh someone put me down 💀

Instead of trading yu-gi-oh cards in school I should of been buying bitcoin

[azure cliff]

Now we know what to do if we go back in time

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/carebear-suicide-family-guy-family-guy-gif-4832505

[narrow creek]

Hmmm interesting

Didn’t know we were in recession. 2008 was bad according to my boomer parents. Housing prices are still high

[true tree]

Government is lying about numbers but people know that the dollar is worth nothing and they are scared.

I had hoped their fear would take them to crypto but unfortunately the US got a crypto friendly President who showed how easily it is manipulated. So people are back buying pieces of paper for metal that doesn't actually exist.

[coral lake]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-collar-tug-the-simpsons-simpsons-towns-people-scared-worried-gif-17964677

better to stake some land and mine gold than it is to stake crypto

[coral lake]

silver, the poor mans gold xD

[true tree]

Depends what country you live in. A province in Canada is giving people's private land to Indigenous people.Land is only safe if the government doesn't take it. Same with bank accounts.

[sage haven]

it wont be as bad as 2008, we dnt have as much excess and central banks know how to print money

[inner quest]

Seriously?? Is it giving land that corps bought or individual citizens’ land away?
I’d be piiiiissed if I worked my ass off just for the govt to say “na, gotta give it to some rando”

[true tree]

It is complicated and in courts right now to know exactly what it will mean.
Basically the court decided that the government gave citizens titles to property that was promised to the Indigenous people under treaties from long ago, so they say the land technically belongs to the indigenous people. Will that mean that people lose their property or that the government has to pay reparations or that the tribes will own the land but allow people to stay there at least for now? Those are the questions coming up. It is making a lot of people nervous as they realize that a title to property may or may not be honoured.

[hazy orchid]

Ser when we find golden asteroids ☄️ then silver is the rich man’s silver

[split marsh]

What if a tribe fought another tribe and took their land ? How far do they go back ?

[jagged onyx]

Not if you find a silver asteroid first 😅

[hazy orchid]

Don’t put that evil on me

[earnest abyss]

Everything began like 0 price on some time

[true tree]

That is why it is all ridiculous.

[narrow creek]

As long as people are paying property taxes the government can always take. Especially those with a lot of land.

[sage haven]

do you even know what the property taxes are for

[narrow creek]

I know if you can’t afford to pay property taxes the government can seize your land. Here in the states a lot of people have lost their land cuz they couldn’t pay the increase in property taxes in certain areas. Even tho they paid their homes off.

[sage haven]

the gov can seize everything u own if u dnt pay any kind of tax lol. if u cant afford to pay property tax u should sell the property simple as that

and no they dont keep the difference if thats what ur alluring to

[narrow creek]

Fair lol

[narrow creek]

I was just talking about property tax … but you are right if you don’t pay any tax the government will take

[sage haven]

there are only 2 certain things.
death and tax

it's a pain to pay for property tax but then again we enjoy the road, gardens, public services and who you gonna call if theres a burglar

imagine if property tax is optional and ur having a break in. you tried to call the police but they have to check your subscription and ask for a late payment fees

ah sorry sir ur not in our system, i hope u know karate

[astral valley]

looks like it would be a great opportunity to do Silver Shorts.... It has to come back down....

[narrow creek]

Lol chill 💀

Well they can meet my g@n which some leaders are trying to take away. There are some taxes that were created as an emergency power during war but stuck around anyways. Income and federal. Makes ya think…

If he only knew how things are now

[sage haven]

do you even know how government fund their operation?
You wont be able to buy a weapon if u dnt have an ID

cant even get home without roads

[narrow creek]

Jag don’t you sleep?

[sage haven]

This is why property tax is important, we need public school to teach people basic knowledge

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[narrow creek]

Yes jag… but it’s gotten out of hand is what I’m trying to say. But we the people have allowed it.

[sage haven]

us tax is one of the lowest in G7

i mean u can always move to dubai

[narrow creek]

For now… let’s see what the future has in store for us.

[sage haven]

see how entitled people are enjoying the freedom in usa but dnt want to pay tax.
if u dnt want to pay tax you can always be a business owner

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

What the

@jagged fulcrum Jag is a fed

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-496833742737182965

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/911-show-chimney-han-audited-youre-being-audited-audit-gif-3375910856236168484

[narrow creek]

When half your paycheck gets taxed after working overtime. Thats a problem. I pay my taxes feds promise lol

But hell some people enjoy it apparently. George Washington is turning over in his grave smh

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/george-washington-snl-gif-2761762272299441197

[true tree]

They waste a lot of the money they take in taxes, even property taxes. Too much incompetence and corruption. Taxes don't need to be as high as they are.

[azure cliff]

Fortunately AIs will probably remove the inefficiencies

Once they are good enough of course

[narrow creek]

Not saying I’m going to but if I were going to short silver what site would you use?

[astral valley]

I am not a trader. I have 0 experience trading. I have always wanted to learn though... I have tried to pick up some info recently. I tradingview

[warm nebula]

I think it's fair to say the most consistent thing throughout illuvium's history is... token chat

[sage haven]

token chat. best chat

they tried to shut us down. but we strong

[sage haven]

lowering the tax wont help tho. It will just widen the deficit.
elon tried and failed. theres no point fighting the system, just be a billionaire and use it to your advantage

remember the golden rule

inefficiencies create opportunities. The government are spending on private companies. NASA contracting spacex, us defense contracting anduril and palantir.

pentagon with AWS, the list goes on

[sage haven]

expedition 33.
Made by 30 people with $10m budget.
Sold $5m copies and won 9 TGA awards.

[swift moon]

But did they hype it though? I heard it's the most important piece of the puzzle

It's a wonder what a bit of creativity and building something for the players does instead of looking what to copy

[sage haven]

the music is so good, they are touring in europe.
and these KOLs dare to say crypto gaming is inevitable

[quick heron]

its incredible what passion and an eye for talent can achieve. I played it over the christmas holidays and its fantastic

[sage haven]

and not only e33.
we see more low budget indie games making big. makes you think that you dnt need much after all

you either have the talent or u dont. Simple as that

[quick heron]

to be fair, UE5 did bring down costs a lot for indie games. But yes, all it takes is a vision and grit!

what is even more staggering is the people they hired. Most of them had no accomplished carrers. The CEO really had an eye for talent

[swift moon]

That's total bs, the team actually delivered quite well on what they were asked to do. Leadership and direction is another story

[quick heron]

what are you talking about? E33?

[azure cliff]

Another game added to the Web3 gaming graveyard

@maiden pivot

[shadow geyser]

Big function of leadership as well. Blood, sweat and pixels is a great read on this. A lot of talent in the industry but needs to be channeled efficiently into the product

[sage haven]

i guess they had one vision, sticked with it and well executed. the voice acting is good too, im tired of JRPG dubbed voice acting lol

[shadow geyser]

Golden Sun gibberish and FF6 emotes peak gaming

[sage haven]

i didnt play much gameboy, just pokemon. older than FF7 on mobile. i think i skipped most of gameboy to ps1

[brazen void]

Golden sun was the best man. I restarted my game so often because I missed a djinn and couldn’t go back

[inner quest]

It’s made by people who actually enjoy and care about games instead of buy muh skin. Makes a big difference

[swift moon]

Makes all the difference

[shadow geyser]

https://youtu.be/YvRm4HKK4gQ?si=Nh6qUThGoC7ImMG5

[warm nebula]

so we all agree... it was different this time, right?

[sage haven]

[maiden pivot]

idk what megaweapon is, sad stuff

[sage haven]

have u played e33?

[maiden pivot]

Not yet, probably will one day

[azure cliff]

It was a game similar to Thetan Arena on my watchlist since early 2024 until they sold 99.5% yesterday
Fortunately I didn't lose money on this

[swift moon]

Do you know what was their eco/tokenomics? Thetan was actually one of the few exceptions in web3, the game was quite fun to play. But their model and tokenomics were one of the worst

[stiff stratus]

Its really this simple ey

[azure cliff]

I don't know but probably unsustainable P2E

[verbal cove]

can confirm the economy was horrible, it was a race to extract. But hey at least they had an economy!

[swift moon]

It was like that with Thetan too, I sold as quickly as possible and still barely broke even. Playing with my gf didn't help much. But it's crazy how fast everything went to sht there

[short flax]

Thetan was super fun. I was earning decent through staking before everything went to zero

[quick heron]

yes

[maiden pivot]

Thetan arena was crazy slow. Anyone who makes a mobile game that slow is dumb asf, and needs more brain cells ngl.

I've never ever seen a mobile game so slow get any level of success.

[swift moon]

You speak out of your ass. There are a ton of successful mobile games that are "slower". What does that even mean lol

[prime canopy]

TFT is a mobile game for many, I thought Illuvium was gonna clone that with slightly longer games

[maiden pivot]

I mean more in the action genre. Sorry I wasn't clear

Eg if Clash Royale 'elixir gain' was even 20-30% slower, the game would be hot garbage. And would gain zero traction.

[swift moon]

I still don't know what you are trying to say. Thetan had a ton of traction. Until the ponzi expired that is

[narrow creek]

lol jag

[sterile ledge]

Happy new year! I wish 2026 will be the rise of Illuvium ❤️

[sage haven]

[quiet thorn]

We definitely started the New Year with a pump!

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-5707122515404938820

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-stonk-hold-wallace-hold-braveheart-stonks-gif-20142609

[quiet thorn]

Holy we break 6dol very soon be ready!

[brazen void]

What a great achievement 😂

[true tree]

https://tenor.com/view/celebration-dance-celebrate-good-times-gif-19472129

[sage haven]

[true tree]

https://tenor.com/view/you-said-that-last-time-hey-stop-listen-gif-14528222

[sage haven]

where do you find a 4 br house for $550k

[hazy orchid]

west virginia

[sage haven]

looks like im gonna get killed either by a bear or a demonic cult

[narrow creek]

Ser, this is prolly in the deep mountains of the Appalachian. Your neighbor is either a meth head or incest that wants to eat you

https://tenor.com/view/our-flag-means-death-ofmd-fangs-cannibal-buttons-gif-25905674

[narrow creek]

Here jag, you might hear an occasional gun shot. But you won’t have to fight off the incest.

[warm nebula]

damn much more bang for ur buck in the MW
sheesh...

[narrow creek]

MW as in Mountain west?

[warm nebula]

MW as in minus waves

[narrow creek]

What the heck is that.

[sage haven]

but whos shooting ser

[silent moth]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-thinking-duh-brick-heck-the-middle-gif-15957085344941746325

[silent moth]

https://tenor.com/view/pokicripp-gif-1964247876827327377

[narrow creek]

I think you know who…

[sage haven]

pokimane is with a gang?

[silent moth]

I just typed blood into the gifs and that one struck me as the one to use.

But she is definitely attempting to throw up some gang signs

[sage haven]

didnt know pokimane is a baddie

[sage haven]

91.5k is key

[inner quest]

Safer in WV than most cities

[worn adder]

Yeah but then you have to deal with the hill have eyes crowd

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/hillshaveeyes-deformed-scary-monster-gif-10086996

[verbal cove]

https://x.com/param_eth/status/2007483458420191243?s=46

Param (@Param_eth)

These chains may shut down in 2026:

- Zora
- Flow
- Mint
- Blast
- Berachain
- Polygon zkEVM

Their revenue is negative, $0, or very low.

They cannot survive.

X · Jan 3, 2026, 4:05 PM

[sage haven]

👀

[narrow creek]

Almost there…

[sage haven]

1d 50ema is also there. its a good setup for a pump

the question is where to, 108-112k or deviation higher

[narrow creek]

Hmmm

[sage haven]

biggest oil and gold reserve were seized

[narrow creek]

I’m shocked we didn’t dip after that staged event

We dipped with Iran

[sage haven]

market only dip on uncertainty, trump was decisive and quick

in 2022 we had this dip on ukraine war, and we had the relief rally after the first strike

followed by the bear market of course

[hazy orchid]

Nike the real winner today

I ordered that sweat suit

thing is fly

[quick heron]

did you order the sleeping mask as well?

[hazy orchid]

thats the latest vr headset

not even out yet

[quick heron]

dayum

[narrow creek]

Alright last one 💀

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-burrow-kroger-joeyb-pineapple-kroger-health-gif-26568096

[narrow creek]

Were there now what

[sage haven]

for like 5 seconds, need daily closes

a convincing retake of 91.5k (higher volume) and a retest

see how we had 5 weekly candles failed to close above 91.5k?
A weekly close above 91.5k gonna entice bull that the low is in

then we will immediately need to challenge 1w 50ema at 98k

[plush hornet]

I think it's almost impossible to get a lower production (oil, gold) than they already have

[azure cliff]

Can't wait to see the S&P 500 tomorrow 👀

Venezuelans seem to be overjoyed 😁

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cmon-do-something-crypto-btc-eth-do-something-gif-21620488

[sterile ledge]

ILV moving pretty fast:D

Remember 2021 from 400$ to 1200$ in few days

[sage haven]

Cmon $10

[sage haven]

keep watch how price react above

sell orders are stacked around 95k and 100k

[inner quest]

O rly

[ornate crescent]

Let's get above $93K and hold for 72 hours. Degen Therapy: of the top fifteen cryptoassets from December 1, 2022 BEAR BOTTOM, only two (XRP and SOL) have outperformed BTC, and only one, SOL, has done so in a meaningful way (+888% vs. BTC’s +429%). The rest of the market has lagged significantly, with many large-cap assets barely positive or even negative over the same period. ETH is up just 135%, BNB 200%, and DOGE 44%.

[sage haven]

the plan is still the same.
dead cat bounce to 108k-112k.
people who didnt make enough money in the cycle are screaming "5-years cycle", "this time is different" just like what they always do every cycle. this is good for the DCB.
experience holders will sell their remaining spot in that area, while some underwater short term holders would want to exit at break even.
even if btc pumps to make a new ATH it will still be a DCB to me. few things to consider:

• Strategy offering 11% yield
• Gold and silver parabolic run.
• SPY new ATH.
• Cracks in AI bubble. AI bonds are rated A+ but priced as Junk. hyperscalers not having those datacenters on their balance sheet. AI is net loss for the hyperscalers.

[ornate crescent]

Definitely starting to Layer Out at $110K with a plan to be exited 100% by $130K. It could be a really volatile year unless liquidity just floats us down the river.

[sage haven]

liquidity has been flowing. trump has been pumping liquidity to the economy.
global m2 was pumping but it went to AI and metals. i dont see a reason why it should go to crypto when a "glitch" on a CEX could wiped $19b and took down a major market maker

[ornate crescent]

Well, tonight is the first hopium I have had since 10/10. There might be an escape door open up this "cycle" and my guess is at least in the U.S. retail is just getting their hands back on some cash to speculate.

[azure cliff]

Did retail get this liquidity?

[sage haven]

yea they spent it on meme coins and melania coin

[sage haven]

id imagine people who sold the bottom will fade this rally, and buy back higher above 100k just to get dumped again and swear to never return to crypto. It's the same sht every cycle

[verbal cove]

Maybe the team will come back 3 weeks early from holiday to make a happy new year announcement that will print us a god candle. @quiet thorn what are your targets?

[sage haven]

Btc 112k
Eth 4k
sol 200

[quiet thorn]

2026 targets
Bear 0
Realistic 2.2
Bull 6.99

[quick heron]

Strategy 11% yield is picking up pennies in front of a steamroller btw

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/saylor-stare-pippen-satoshi-gif-13021413242754791710

[languid mulch]

https://x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/2007927104713933060

il Donaldo Trumpo (@PapiTrumpo)

OK, WHO DID THIS???🤣🤣🤣

X · Jan 4, 2026, 9:28 PM

[sage haven]

im laughing at people who believe that the US dollar will collapse. The US has proven again its millitary supremacy against china, russia and iran.

the us dollar is backed by F-35 and B2 bomber

[north tartan]

If it does it dosent do that over night and without a fight

[inner quest]

Come on guys. This is becoming a bit sussy baka-esque

Da coin is ded. I’m sorry.

[sage haven]

yes, it is only possible if the us military lost which near zero chance

[narrow creek]

ILV soon

[narrow creek]

Wen lambo

[narrow creek]

F@RTCOIN

[spiral shadow]

Jajajja this is gold

[azure cliff]

4% is huge

[sage haven]

Im looking at weeks of upside

[narrow creek]

We are so back

[narrow creek]

Is it really?

[azure cliff]

The bank of America recommending a 4% Bitcoin allocation to boomers while they are supposed to be conservative is huge I think yeah
One could expect 1% from them
Even 1% would have been nice

[sage haven]

91.5k is key

[narrow creek]

Yeah hopefully we stay above 91k

[north tartan]

We did hold for now

[inner quest]

We holdin as long as I say we holdin. Got it, fellas?

[azure cliff]

Got you, I'm holding until I'm not 🫡

[jagged fulcrum]

Great news.

[azure cliff]

Could you develop?

[azure cliff]

This looks good

[jagged onyx]

There was an effort to get Strategy delisted from the MSCI Indexes.
This confirms the rejection of that effort, so they will remain there, for now at least.
This should relieve a lot of fears as the decision has been looming for a while and likely contributed greatly to Strategy's abysmal performance over the past couple of months.

[ornate crescent]

Puking Bears...not so fast my friends.

[ornate crescent]

BIG...time to spur MSTR and get that horse back sprinting again.

[maiden pivot]

I'm more surprised they said Bitcoin and Crypto. Rather than BTC and ETH, or just BTC.

[maiden pivot]

I saw that retail is heavy short BTC. Retail always gets rekt when they go heavy one direction. But liquidation is only like 105k or somethin. Doesn't mean we enter full bull territory, but we will short term

[queen bay]

what happened to this token wth

[maiden pivot]

Final shakeout?

[prime canopy]

closer and closer to fair evaluation for current state

[earnest abyss]

😂 gg

[ornate crescent]

Deribit options agree with your $105K target with lots of calls by March...got to hold $93K first.

[quick heron]

no really, yes they are not delistet, but they cant keep printing share and the index buys them up, like before

[jagged fulcrum]

Still largely positive considering the massive unwind from a rebalance if they removed DATs

[quick heron]

market disagrees, but you are free to have your opinion

[jagged fulcrum]

Respectfully, the market reaction would have been much worse if they needed to remove DATs completely. The unwind would have nasty.

[sage haven]

Respectfully, the news about potential MSCI delisting MSTR broke on October 10 lmao.

"the unwind would be nasty"
MSTR is down 49% since 10 oct and 70% from ATH

[narrow creek]

Here we go again

We couldn’t hold 91k dangit

[sage haven]

lots of new shorts opening. while spot bid is slow. i guess its gonna take some time

[verbal cove]

time to rek those bears once again and pamp it

[sage haven]

How did you find me

[silent moth]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-all-caught-up-instagram-scrolling-gif-17521953

[narrow creek]

Lmao 💀

[hazy orchid]

It's not pure, but you do enough of it, it fills you up

[true tree]

https://tenor.com/view/trollsmovie-angry-overit-stop-shutup-gif-9889303943912407180

[narrow creek]

If you birth year starts with 19- your old apparently.

We’re closer to 2050 than year 2000 now

[narrow creek]

Had to beat up my nephews to show them who’s boss…

[sage haven]

[narrow creek]

💀

[hazy orchid]

pretty funny cause Capo was calling for 800$ ZEC

[sage haven]

classic pump and dump by ansem and the cartel

[faint hawk]

Are there any news aboutIlluvium’s Move to Immutable zkEVM? I read the
Migration Guide for Players, but can't find exact dates or other updated information.

[hazy orchid]

Late Jan

More details
Coming

But users won't have to do much

[north tartan]

What can go wrong 😎😅

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-what-do-you-want-modern-family-not-worried-what-are-you-afraid-of-gif-12786683

[runic pecan]

Such an underrated tv show.

[inner quest]

I don’t trust anyone who poses like that in the 21st century

[narrow creek]

He sure is being active guys 👀

[sage haven]

you know what rhymes with "supercycle"?
yes, it's "bull trap"

[tiny ridge]

Hold me jaga I red some off my old messages here and I lost like 20 IQ in the last year

Well and 10 friendliness so it was a good trade maybe

[sage haven]

how do u go negative IQ tho

[tiny ridge]

Thanks boss that helps

Where do u live my current place got an all time high break out for spiritual poverty

[tiny ridge]

Oh I been mean a little bit

But I don't mean it in a mean way like mean pipl

[sage haven]

wtf did i just read

[quick heron]

the state of token chat in 2026

[sage haven]

nothing good under $10

[narrow creek]

@tiny ridge I’m confused

[pure grove]

Y'all it's been awhile. This token is officially cooked 😂

loling at my dumbass and my 100 ILV

[quick heron]

dayum thats 568$

[pure grove]

Huge I know

[inner quest]

What about pipi

[narrow creek]

Bro

He deleted it too

[maiden pivot]

lmaoooo, why delete any bubble.

YouTube is full of bubbles and its a great user experience. Its called a 'niche'

[narrow creek]

So I hope I can find it… he got annoyed by people saying “GM” so everyone kept spamming “GM” in his comments then he deleted that tweet to.

Anything crypto related is going to get flagged now smh

[sage haven]

we are limited to 300 posts too

meanwhile jpow
https://x.com/federalreserve/status/2010510130970849338?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Federal Reserve (@federalreserve)

Video message from Federal Reserve Chair Jerome H. Powell: https://t.co/5dfrkByGyX

X · Jan 12, 2026, 12:32 AM

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[narrow creek]

CZ is a liar

[sage haven]

He a gangsta

[narrow creek]

I’ll believe him when bitcoin gets back to 120k. Until then he just wants us to be his exit liquidity

[sage haven]

billionaires need their billions

[quiet thorn]

Nice pamp today!

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-bundesliga-fußball-referee-dfb-gif-26676546

[inner quest]

Seems a bit reactionary on his part. Almost personal. The GM shit is goofy though

[hazy orchid]

it wasnt a real post

was edited

[narrow creek]

Wait what?

How do you know it was fake?

[hazy orchid]

someone else on X told me so

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[narrow creek]

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[narrow creek]

Bitcoin @ 96k jag

Cmon

[inner quest]

So you’re telling me they played me like a clarinet? I want heads to roll for this

[warm nebula]

axie winning these past couple days

[azure cliff]

At what level do you think we should sell? @sage haven

[narrow creek]

@sage haven sleeping smh

Hopefully we can hold at these prices

And not dump

[sage haven]

guys

[sage haven]

96k is pretty significant and its the 1d 100ema

expect people will be shorting, taking profit

a bigger sell wall is at 100k. im in spot so im chilling. Lots of work to do tbh

[quasi wyvern]

Alright everyone?

It's been a minute...

Normies are not talking about crypto right now...

[sage haven]

welcome back

well its the bear market. MAG7 and metals are cooler than crypto it seems

[quasi wyvern]

What you busy with?

If the blow off top is coming, and many believe it's still coming, it's going to be late...

[sage haven]

work, family.
hmm i think 70% of the people believe the top is in, and the rest believe in supercycle.

[quasi wyvern]

Sure the top might be in but we haven't had a blow off top yet on Bitcoin, which we've always had...

Maybe we are late because interest rates...

[quasi wyvern]

How is the family?

[sage haven]

yea i think 10/10 broke the market and inflow to btc has been lower

[sage haven]

we just had our second. so it has been an adjustment. good timing for the bear lol

[quasi wyvern]

Congrats!!! My youngest just got a job as a junior dev ops engineer, proud Dad moment...

Each cycle crypto has surprised us somehow.

The surprise is either no blow off top or a very late one lol.

I've been watching way too much Asmongold and Arma Reforger videos...

NGL Asmon is giving me "I want to go into politics" vibes.

But kinda loving this Indie Gaming revolution we are seeing...

Megabonk, Schedule 1, Ball Pit, Silk Song... I farken love this...

[sage haven]

congrats, how to raise a smart kid?

thanks. As happy as we are rn, we decided to get me a vasectomy lol.

yea asmon is more political commentary than gaming now. lots of people do listen to him tho.
have u been playing those indie games? expedition 33 has been a treat.

[quasi wyvern]

I've still got to play, in this order:

• Baldurs Gate 3
• Wukong
• Expedition 33
• Arma Reforger

Just no time...

[sage haven]

u prob wont have time for BD3 lol

[quasi wyvern]

Haha

[sage haven]

expedition 33 is short and linear, 90% completion under 40 hours

[quasi wyvern]

Oh nice, Asmon has been recommending EXPD33 as well...

I might try that next...

Consoles have been suffering with no Grand Theft Auto release to boost hardware sales.

[shadow geyser]

I still have BG3 on my list as well, but costs too much time :/

E33 is short and sweet, def recommend it

[quasi wyvern]

Nice one... I'll let you know when I jump in...

The build up to Grand Theft Auto 6 is giving me biggest gaming event in history vibes...

[sly mauve]

BG3 is worth the time IMO. Even if you only play the first act, it sits in the top 5 games of all time probably.

[quasi wyvern]

I've heard slow playing it and absorbing is peak gaming...

[shadow geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-the-game-awards-the-game-awards-2024-2024-swen-vincke-gif-2287556738964192423

[sage haven]

what are the other 4 games

[sly mauve]

Arena, Overworld, Zero and Beyond duh??

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-nervous-dog-gif-10253137

[sage haven]

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if i got critic on e33 it's the damage multiplier from lumina. like im bad at parry, so i just one shot simon. like theres a guy who did simon with no pictos

[shadow geyser]

yeah even though i love the game I do think there's some problems with it, under the hood its parry simulator but they hide it well until Act 3 when things go really whack

[sage haven]

theres nothing much to do after we get stendhal and fortune fury

[brazen void]

Does it have pvp or any competitive aspect? I dont bother playing games without any pvp and tournaments anymore

[opaque scroll]

Axs pumped 35%

[sterile ledge]

Next ILV

[narrow creek]

lol

[runic pecan]

I saw some video of pvp tournament for bg3. Didn't knew at all about it and was quite interesting to see how mind game was crazy important ^^
Build were wtf though 😁

[sage haven]

dnt laugh. I need to hit $10

[verbal cove]

as soon as the team comes back from holiday in a week or two we will hit that easily

[sage haven]

hmm the buy side at binance?

[sage haven]

most hated rally

[north tartan]

100k today?

[inner quest]

I’ve just been studying my Talmud. How are you?

[sage haven]

Shalom

[wicked wharf]

Isn't that the book that says Jesus is boiling in shit?

[narrow creek]

Dangit man…

https://tenor.com/view/pray-prayers-sign-of-the-cross-gif-15118101

[narrow creek]

Bitcoin needs to hold for several days at the prices to be bullish huh?

[narrow creek]

If trump ruins this… get ready chat

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-angry-mad-shouting-screaming-gif-17204973

[opaque scroll]

Where

[inner quest]

Wouldn’t be surprised. Wasn’t being serious though

[narrow creek]

Phew

[analog crow]

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[narrow creek]

We need to HOLD

Watch us dump

[analog crow]

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[ornate crescent]

Dumping? ILV just keeps making lower lows on the road to?

[narrow creek]

I was talking bout bitcoin lol

[ornate crescent]

$93K...72 hours...then FOMO might begin

[narrow creek]

Yes ILV token price hurts the soul… especially people that bought the top 😕

[ornate crescent]

I just hate my ILZ fool's fuel got some crazy made up ILV redemption rate by a single person on Labs, but who is counting.

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[narrow creek]

And dip incoming 😡

[sage haven]

it just hit 1w 50ema, need to consolidate as people are taking profit. But it's all good.
the move is spot drive while fundimg is negative. Real buys and degens trying to short

[quasi wyvern]

How to raise smart kids these days?

IMO - Reading by the age of 3, classic wow by the age of 4.

[sage haven]

fortnite by 5

[verbal cove]

Illuvium arena by 6
Onlyfans by 7

[sage haven]

btc is holding really well. was expecting more reaction from this level

if ny session doesnt dump i guess we can go higher

because for the past days:
ny pump
london hold
asian dump

[wispy warren]

What price could we see ATH this time on the altseason since all ILV token is out. Cold we see 500 dollar?

[sage haven]

lol

[gusty light]

What if we don't get an altseason?

[sage haven]

altseason in the bear market

[sterile ledge]

Not impossible, but $500 would require huge demand, not just “all tokens unlocked”. ILV is basically fully unlocked now, so price is mainly about player growth + revenue + market cycle. From ~$6 today, $500 is ~80x and implies roughly $4–5B market cap (with ~9.5M supply). That’s a very bullish scenario and needs real traction + a strong altseason

[sage haven]

Non zero chance

[narrow creek]

Is jag bullish 😳

[narrow creek]

Make sure they are eating their red meat and not bugs lol jk (I know you never would feed your kids bugs)

I read the reason why kids teeth are so messed up today is because of soft foods and they have nothing to chew on. Apparently when they are little they need to chew on something tough and eventually eat it. Like red meat 🤷🏾‍♂️

Almost everyone I know had to wear braces at some point lol

[sage haven]

the data suggests the move is real.

i mean

[light hull]

Did they ever finish the other regions?

[sage haven]

hmm maybe taiga

[narrow creek]

So yes he’s bullish

[inner quest]

Where’s Sensei when you need him

We need the Silk Road back. Gone but not forgotten

[narrow creek]

He dropped the e cuz ETH sucks apparently

[sage haven]

it is a fact. eth only added 2% to its ATH over 4 years with institutions adoption

[sage haven]

very healthy price action

[narrow creek]

Still I want lambo now jag.

Send me 1 bitcoin I promise to send you 2 in return

[sage haven]

ur a few cycles late

maybe if you can find AI/robotics stonk

[obsidian bronze]

Doesn’t ILV have a plan to list on Upbit? I think it could make a high price increase

[quiet thorn]

Today we PUMP!!

[brazen void]

I wonder why all gaming tokens seem
To pump at the same time. Do people just look at „gaming“ tag and invest in all of them or what?

[wide mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bots-hobots-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-woody-gif-17120878

[brazen void]

Axs seems to have a crazy amount of bots then

[verbal cove]

Maybe they think the team is coming back from holidays on monday

[sage haven]

alt szn

last chance to exit

[verbal cove]

Last chance for wife changing opportunities

[brazen void]

Depends on the country

[sage haven]

Which one

[verbal cove]

Or the gains

[shadow geyser]

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[sage haven]

hows your holiday

[shadow geyser]

Ask Rich we had a sick night yday

[wide mango]

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[sage haven]

covid?

[shadow geyser]

Kinda, running dungeons like it was 2021

[hazy orchid]

I was just telling kieran

[brazen void]

Dungeons in the mmo?

[hazy orchid]

https://x.com/illuviumio/status/2012514242910621760?s=20

Illuvium (@illuviumio)

Doka don’t care.
D.ORM-N? Blasted.
Final strikes? Delivered.
Rangers are sending in the Doka to close it out in the caverns of Brightland.
📍MMO testing in full swing.

X · Jan 17, 2026, 1:16 PM

[narrow creek]

Wen $50

[hazy orchid]

https://x.com/LifeScience_X/status/2012394580939784579?s=20

Life Science (@LifeScience_X)

Drinking beer isn’t always as harmful as you think.

X · Jan 17, 2026, 5:20 AM

dont have to tell me twice

[opaque scroll]

Axs pumped 80% wooow

[sage haven]

They do something called bonded token

[narrow creek]

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