💰〕token

[jagged fulcrum]

For old time sake. I remember I got @granite elm to make this 🤣

[tiny ridge]

Gm bitches

[narrow creek]

@maiden pivot I could use a hug as well no diddy

[quiet thorn]

267days left

[orchid crater]

When do you think ILV is back to ath?

[proven shard]

Not ath 😄 , but 50-100$ yes when they finish the game,buy back and when eth gonna be like 5-6k

[sage haven]

Mcap or price?

[proven shard]

Markets bleeding again😹

Period🩸days ahead hold strong 😹

[brazen void]

At the very least it should reach and exceed Axie mc now and at ATH. Anything other than that would be the biggest failure

How is Axie having 5x the mc of ILV right now is just ridiculous to me

[verbal cove]

it has been a long road

[maiden pivot]

I think mcap maybe it will. But a lot has to happen first obviously.

[gusty light]

Isn’t axie a more a complete and proven experience though? How can we compare ourselves?

[verbal cove]

we can't, you only do that during a hype period with promises and dreams

[gusty light]

Yup and they were a pretty complete experience back in the last cycle too, and are even more ahead right now... and have a huge player base (relatively speaking). Can't really compare. I'm more surprised they're just 5x more than ILV tbh (not fudding, just an opinion).

[sage haven]

i got my wife to buy btc today. Last time she bought crypto was in 2022. Must be bottom and close to

[north tartan]

Even if usa get into a stock market crash?

[compact birch]

shows how bad the scene is, being axie the comparison is laughable at pure 2026 🙁 hopes big on ilv, but things need to switch

[gusty light]

Yah I don't think anyone can compare to Axie unless they have a full game loop at the very least

[compact birch]

i also hate what axie has done with the ip, probably tendency is 0 for them

[gusty light]

time will tell, but they'll survive imo

[sage haven]

it's a pretty good price for long term hold

[maiden sable]

Given the fact that most people who are holding ILV are waiting for it to increase in price and there's no point selling now . Who is selling ? Is it the market maker who just keeps selling it down and buying its own sell if that makes sense.

I just can't believe people are selling at this price.

[gusty light]

people could sell to move money into another opportunity they think could yield better returns or potentially sell, and buy back lower (if they think it goes lower)... perhaps they bought only a little higher 7-10 USD and want to exit for a relatively small loss.

[maiden sable]

It just doesn't feel right I don't think there's enough sellers to move the price down particularly when we are about to see the MMO come out

[gusty light]

Well look at most alt coins.. fundamentally "strong" (supposedly strong) projects are all seeing bad price action for bagholders (but traders who know what they're doing probably making $$)

Market makers aren't collectively forcing price down by hitting bids across all these coins.. it must be people selling. Whilst crypto isn't regulated completely, MMs shouldn't be doing this anyway.. they're meant to add liquidity.

Regardless of news/updates.. that won't hold enough power in a downtrend to keep price stable - evidently.

[maiden sable]

I think what's happening is someone like Binance has a large chunk of tokens and they are moving the price I personally think at this stage most people holding the token are not selling . Given the fact there's about 6 million tokens circulating to drop 10 million off the market cap in a few days means there's a lot of selling and I just can't see where it's all coming from

[gusty light]

No one knows, but it is happening - there are sellers. Who or why, no one will truly know. Market participants set the price. There's lots of selling everywhere (not meant to come across as hopium).

[teal fiber]

Could anyone explain what did Kieran mean by saying stop selling Illuvium ?

[fathom cradle]

I imagine just generally stopping bearishness. Or maybe rewards

[mint quartz]

For me looks like they were selling ilv token and they will stop

[proven shard]

Ilv gonna run just wait for eth to recover guys

There is no loss until you sell.

[teal fiber]

Once a hard reset has already been done, what matters is the here and now — explanations like that are just eyewash.

[proven shard]

Buy low sell high 🙂

Take screen shots if you want ilv by 2026 june will be 20-30$ atleast.

[teal fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-steve-carell-laugh-good-one-banana-gif-4958026

[proven shard]

Weak hands sell while the market makers buy up the dip, same happened in 2018 2022 and will happen now, i think around december end everything gonna start to recover so no rush.

[teal fiber]

I take a screen shot because its bollocks

[proven shard]

Its tied to ethereum, when eth gonna pump its gonna lift this coin, not even counting in the fact ilv mmo launching, they gonna make market better and so on..

You just dumb newbie i mean ive been there you gonna learn some day, patience and buy low simple ilv been up like 4 years you really think they just gonna end the project like that?🤣

[teal fiber]

bro i follow Illuvium and own tokens since 2021

[analog crow]

Alright guys let’s keep it civil. We can have varying opinions without name calling please

[proven shard]

If you bought at high price yh then its ass i understand it was 2k+ peak bullrun

[teal fiber]

look a t eth price, even when it was 5k this shit was only going lower

[proven shard]

Summer was 20$, this mostly runs in summer so wait pls

[teal fiber]

and theres was 10 times less tokens in circulation , you are newbie

[proven shard]

Just wait 😄 its that simple 5-10months and it will be 20-30$

[teal fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-steve-carell-laugh-good-one-banana-gif-4958026

[proven shard]

Every cycle market shifts this year privacy coins, next might web3 who knows patience is best

[teal fiber]

bro you now nothing stop write to my posts please

[proven shard]

Looked into other shit of web3 i think this has potencial counting in the fact its so low rn

Buy Low Sell High so hard to understand ehh

[sage haven]

guys never fade james bond

[true tree]

We have had a problem with players, especially, selling ILV Tokens. People are selling LB rewards. This is what has to be stopped.

[proven shard]

They will fully launch the game, start marketing it and fix the economy, probably even buy back, no rush, greatness takes time.

Its always the dumb idiots saying hahaha ilv scam when the whole market is down 😄 just check guys it went from like 7-8 to 12-13 in a day with a tournament news. This has potential dont blame ilv when the markets bleeding.

[cloud marten]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[light hull]

Agree, there will be an easy 3x at some point in next 12 months

But will require buying around $4

[sage haven]

[proven shard]

Dont think it will go lower than 6 tbh.

[sage haven]

ser u just joined the server

[proven shard]

I dont use discord im not a mod, just wanted to see ilv news updates here and so on.

When i bought zcash at 30$ everyone said scam fake you wont profit same with ilv now so much fud from the weak hands crazy.

[cloud marten]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-any-proof-stephen-tamill-south-park-s15e12-one-percent-gif-23108302

[teal fiber]

thanks Torial I really hope $40-60 will be a standard price again for ILV

[proven shard]

No worries it will be

[quiet thorn]

Its very hard to push price over 20 again cos so many bag holders looking for selling

[arctic vault]

We need to convince them of the benefits of staking to make them hostage to the token. And then pump the token once the number of hostages is large.

[proven shard]

I saw it run from 10 to 20 in june wdym bro, its always in summer when ilv does something gotta wait and see

[teal fiber]

june we will be deep in bear market you really must e new in crypto space 😄

[proven shard]

Take screenshots of this stupid idiot 😄

[teal fiber]

I did. insulting people only shows how shallow you are

[proven shard]

Patience will show us the truth just wait pls.

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[true tree]

I want price to go up for when we need to get more runway. For myself personally I have always looked at ILV as a long-term investment, 5-10 years. The game needs to be a success so I get revenue distribution. That has always been my goal, not flipping it when it goes up.
Time will tell. In the meantime I am just going to have fun playing the game. 🙂

[gusty light]

This is like reading the replies on CT to a post from a 500k+ twitter account who just says bullish things and makes his followers buy lots of random coins

[quiet thorn]

What kind of revenue do you see an MMO Lite generating and with what number of players?

[true tree]

Not enough for us all to make money on revenue. Hopefully enough to show VCs it is worth investing so that it can be built out more fully so that then we can make money. Again, l-t play not s-t play.

[sage haven]

lol

weekly rsi is so low as if we are deep in the bear market. The bear market might as well be over within a very short period of time. very interesting

[mossy steppe]

Miss the days when "wen 20" was still a meme

[inner quest]

You joined recently. When did you invest in ILV?

Bro was just typing. Guess he forgot when he bought lol

[proven shard]

I been buying dips for the past 3months

[inner quest]

Appreciate the answer

[proven shard]

Was intrested in v3 staking so i joined in here because all of the info was here.

Also interested what you who play this game think. Everything matters.

[inner quest]

I think people who’ve already put some money (or a lot of time) into the game are playing

[narrow creek]

Just keep going don’t stop. Keep going.

At least none of us in here did something this dumb right?

[true tree]

Can guarantee it wasn't me.

[sage haven]

buying the dip is part of the game

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/umpa-lumpa-oompa-loompa-willie-wonkas-chocolate-factory-fupa-dupa-dippity-doo-gif-16337314

[quiet thorn]

Buying the dip for 208 weeks straight has undeniably become part of the game’s lore — and a pretty major chapter of it, too

[sage haven]

[narrow creek]

👀

[gusty light]

Wonder how much more the boss has but good to see

[sage haven]

Stake and chill

[opaque scroll]

How to stake?

[short flax]

364? Must be insider staking 🤣

[narrow creek]

Gotta head over to staking. There’s a step by step guide pinned

[opaque scroll]

Is it worth it to stake? We don’t know what shards can offer. And how much can we get from revdis?

[brazen void]

It probably turned to 364 right away because it is most likely 364d 23h when you stake

[narrow creek]

Well if you are a OG that has staked before yeah… can get up to a 3x! Im not so I don’t think it’s worth it for me. I ended up pulling all my ILV out of my wallet awhile ago after a short stake smh

[narrow creek]

I didn’t really look into the shards tho… I don’t what that’s about. Have to read more later

[short flax]

For sure I was just joking. No one more convicted than the big dawg (Kieran). Love to see it 🚀

[sage haven]

Theres only one way to find out

[ornate crescent]

Could he liquidate for over $1/ILV?

[ornate crescent]

Locking ICO magic money takes big balls

[ornate crescent]

10/10 wintermute/BNB games exploiting EVMs shitty liquidity has not remedied itself yet. Way to go .ETH Team! Cannot wait until this old timer protocol is put to rest.

[sage haven]

wife bottom signal

[north tartan]

Best indicator there is 👌

[uncut silo]

BTC is currently testing fibo 1st stop aka 0.382. Crucial support to test bull market thesis

[proven shard]

charts doesnt say shit ]

[sage haven]

said no one ever

[quasi wyvern]

BTC usually pumps after death cross

[sage haven]

whats your take on why OGs like owen gunden sold after holding for 15 years

[quasi wyvern]

High interest rates indefinitely and BTC Mining companies converting to AI compute service providers...

And the suits spooking retail, they want cheap BTC.

[sage haven]

and what do u think about the 4 years cycle?
if the top is in this would be a non-euphoric top. Or do u think we gonna drag this into Q1 for the real top

[quasi wyvern]

We are in such interesting times...

The old guard believe in the cycle, how much impact do they have on the market?

Fresh blood gives zero fucks about the 4 year cycle, liquidity is their God.

I can't say for sure mate...

[sage haven]

it is very interesting. like u said the OGs sold based on the previous 2 cycles fractal (oct 6) while the tradfi people might be sceptical. i guess theres only one way to find out

[sage haven]

i just saw this JPmorgan vs MSTR on X. people are closing their accounts and trying to short squeeze

[quasi wyvern]

Yep haha I just read it as well... They took out a massive short before the MSCI ratings change...

[steady wadi]

$ILV is about to popup 👀

[steady wadi]

Know it 😄

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-3234894596200294187

[proven shard]

share some insider info🤓

[steady wadi]

No insider info lol, I know nothing trust me

[proven shard]

when is that mmo thing

[steady wadi]

Should be in the dec month

[proven shard]

is it gonna be a final thing for the game then its not beta anymore>?

[steady wadi]

Leading the charge toward the MMO:

[proven shard]

damn ilv up 12% today

checked in the morning was 3%, mostly when this happens in upcoming days ilv jumps 50 to 60%

[steady wadi]

The upcoming MMO will actually be the ‘vertical slice’ of the new Overworld. It’s a refreshed version of the Overworld, but we don’t have many details yet. From what I understand, it will probably be a test version.

[proven shard]

saw kierans post on x today he said he wants to leak what their upto and that it would push the price but he kinda cant:

something good might happen soon

[proven shard]

yep this one

[steady wadi]

It's been 4hours.

[proven shard]

and ilv up like 10%

[steady wadi]

• What are the shards for when Staking in V3.
• MMO test in dec apparently

Party is just starting

[proven shard]

yeah ilv upto something

[brazen void]

every day more tokens get locked in staking, less tokens in circulation...

[balmy quail]

I hope they are not gaming related, but I suppose they will be. I am here for the investment only

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/transformer-hard-on-dick-gif-18331406

We don’t need ETH and bitcoin at all time highs. Ilv to the moon

[jagged fulcrum]

Toms fine.

[gusty light]

what is the moon in USDC per token terms?

[narrow creek]

Hmmmm 🤔

Back to all time highs why not

Also heard hyper liquid token unlocks are on November 29th. Usually after an unlock the token price goes down right @sage haven ?

[proven shard]

bro just hold ilv believe in ilv

[narrow creek]

I do too. But in the meantime if there are other great buying opportunities we should take it right? Lol

[proven shard]

top 100 coins list everything low at this point

so whatever you buy 90% chance you gonna profit

[narrow creek]

Idk bout that one lol

[inner quest]

We got a comedian over here

[proven shard]

Not short term, 1-5 years of holding.

[inner quest]

Didn’t you just recently invest

[proven shard]

You think ilv the only coin i hold?😹😹

[inner quest]

I’m talking about ILV

[proven shard]

Been buying dips past 3 months

[sage haven]

yup. good for bear market buying

[sage haven]

sounds like it lol. you discord account was created in oct.
Good chance this is an alt or a troll account

[proven shard]

My past discords got suspended to the point where i cant even appeal they locked til like 2027

[sage haven]

dont mind me, i enjoy a good laugh

[maiden pivot]

Definitely a good thing for the project and ILV price

[inner quest]

In the industry we call that the Big Dipper

[inner quest]

He’s too much of a glazer to be a troll though

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/donut-glaze-satisfying-gif-13180530

[sage haven]

and it's not even the bottom of the bear lol

[narrow creek]

Can’t even appeal till 2027!? What did you do ser

[sage haven]

Maybe predicted $16K ETH

[silent moth]

That’s how they do it here 🤷

[jagged fulcrum]

mNAV is 1.08

[sage haven]

😂

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

lol most of they buys were $4k+
check the tx and wallets yourself
math is not mathing for ethmaxi lol

even the mnav is publicly available
thanks josh u made my day

[jagged fulcrum]

On the Bear Vs bull market. Crypto has had a similar drawdown here Vs April.

April fallout didn't lead to a prolonged bear. Positioning reset, at present I expect the same.

Tradfi holding up and dips are being bought but overall market is fearfull.

Earnings projections look good for 26, December rate cut is back on the table although I don't expect Powell to be dovish given the lack of data.

A lot to be positive about next year and although mid term years do tend to be volatile. Trumps got a lot of stimulative main street focused relief in 26.

The expectations are he will run it hot into the elections.

Tariff inflation almost non existent, mostly all services and some stubborn areas now trending down.

I'm constructive risk as a whole in 2026.

[sage haven]

with that logic, any drawdown wont indicate the start of a bear market lol.
what's the TA? What's your invalidation?

did you call the bear when btc was trading at $16k?

Bit late dnt u think

Letters to Investors:
the year is 2022 and btc is trading at $16K. I can confirm that $69K was the top and we should have sold. Thanks for the fee though. Better luck next cycle.

2nd letters to Investors:
the years is 2026 and btc is trading at $48k. I can confirm that $126K was the top and we should have sold. I couldnt believe they got us again. Well thanks for the christmas bonus. Better luck next cycle.

[fathom cradle]

think its obvious he means not all drawndowns = bear. TA i see supporting it is monthly still no lower low. Not that i think we arent going into a bear. 50/50 for me

[sage haven]

it's never about the percentage of drawdowns. It is about the shift in market structure. That shows that the person making the post doesnt know anything about TA, but only making assumption based on news and "future earning projection" which the lowest type of analysis.
april low didnt have two weekly close below 50ema. altho ur making a good argument that we have not made HTF LL from april low.
as for tradfi, ES1 is barely hanging on 1D 50ema which is concerning.
charts and volume dont lie

so far 1W 100ema is still holding like in january 2022, back then btc went to test the 50ema and overshot it. lets hope we get that and overshoot to 108k or more

[fathom cradle]

yea agreed shift in market structure undeniable

[fathom cradle]

lets hope 😄

PPI tonight

[jagged fulcrum]

You make these decisions and correct portfolio allocations based on the totality of data.

[sage haven]

the "data" you are using is hopes and dreams that trump will run it hot, aka the trump's put

thats called speculation not asset management

[jagged fulcrum]

Fundamental analysis,Equity research, Credit analysis, Macro, etc the totality of data sets.

[jagged fulcrum]

I am not going to argue with you Jag nor do I want to share with you.

[sage haven]

aka i only read what the intern brought me with my chai latte

[verbal cove]

token chat is so lost with the endless cockfights you're having. Can we get a 1v1 combat as opener on the world tournament so we finally know who the real sensei is?

[narrow creek]

In other news…

Yeah I’m def banned now ✌🏾

[sage haven]

how is that even possible

[worn adder]

Super rare but different sperm fertilize the same egg

[quiet thorn]

Back to 8dol

[hazy orchid]

It’s how Matt and I came to be

[worn adder]

two different sperm + same egg * vast amounts of autism = Dick and Matt

[hazy orchid]

😂

[sage haven]

so basically she was with 2 dudes?

[worn adder]

that's one of the ways different sperm can fertilize the same egg

[sage haven]

hmm

its lily phillips

[quiet thorn]

Can we pump to 20dol?

[inner quest]

☕️

[inner quest]

Wonder if she’s ever met her dad

[narrow creek]

That woman is disgusting 🤮

[maiden pivot]

she did a whole thing where she told her dad about you know. Supposedly he didn't love it. Can't imagine why

[sage haven]

so you guys have been following her

https://tenor.com/view/jorito-jorito-gifs-jorito-gif-i-know-what-you-did-dexter-gif-6227562771491279645

[narrow creek]

She’s all over social media being trolled. Kinda hard not to know who she is 💀

Lord help her soul.

https://tenor.com/view/pray-prayers-sign-of-the-cross-gif-15118101

[sage haven]

road to 10K

[sage haven]

lily not btc

[sage haven]

stables dominance SFP

[maiden pivot]

lol random dumb shorts appear on every1's feed. I'm not special. Glad they are irrelevant nowadays tbh

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-stare-gif-6201328377551420443

[compact robin]

Whats the contract address for ILV on base?

[steady wadi]

Can be found in chat if you search for it: in #🥩〕staking

[analog crow]

0xe66d89731986F0647bC0367C3cd1aA23368527A1

[compact robin]

Many thanks!

[quiet thorn]

Is it known how much ILV has been staked so far?

[brazen void]

You can calculate that based on the total usd amount staked I guess

[steady wadi]

https://staking.illuvium.io/dashboard

[quiet thorn]

Thx

[proven shard]

so litle stakers

[steady wadi]

We need to addition V2 and V3

[sage haven]

hopefully a relief bounce:
end of QT
another rate cut
ukraine war deal

[proven shard]

make ur wife buy ilv lol

[gusty light]

Hopefully not just a relief bounce but ath bounce

[sage haven]

whoa lets not jinx it

[gusty light]

Just kidding let it crash to 74k

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

what we need to see:
stables inflow to cex
Coinbase premium turning neutral or green
Etf inflow
People find out what charles hoskinson do for a living

[ornate crescent]

Hoskinson runs a staking pool scheme with his insiders and keeps promising to build/deliver. Sound familiar?

[whole pine]

Can we buy ILV on Base network ?

[sage haven]

didnt he build 4 chains

[ornate crescent]

4 chains, 4 games…who’s counting?

[sage haven]

[livid shell]

Must be wales avrg is around 1,100 per at 181 stakers

[sage haven]

target is retest of 108k
above 112k it can get interesting

a new ATH will break the 4 years cycle theory tho not sure we want that

[sage haven]

need to reclaim 91.5k

and hold

[gusty light]

It’s all gonna work out in the end jag, just no one knows how

[sage haven]

Level by level

[narrow creek]

Happy thanksgiving!

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-guys-i-love-you-guys-spiderman-andrew-garfield-andrew-garfield-gif-24180024

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-twerkey-twerking-turkey-dance-gif-2093351125130571442

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[proven shard]

boss when 1000$ ilv🤣

[steady wadi]

I see "Momemtum" is coming on illuvium chart 👀

[proven shard]

you see the considolation to?

[steady wadi]

Yep, volume also

[proven shard]

looks like a short term pump ngl

trading wiew just shows were in a straight line considolation

[proven shard]

when are those great news kieran was talking about coming in>?

[gusty light]

it's a long term hold for you, no?

[proven shard]

depends where this project is headed tbh

[gusty light]

cool good luck!

[true tree]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-got-weird-in-here-awkward-im-out-of-here-got-to-go-gtg-gif-14734543

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-werk-chicken-dance-gif-11998781060591627495

sol casino is open

[steady wadi]

$13 incoming ? 👀 $ILV

[gusty light]

Sir we are trading at 8

[sterile ledge]

Only 13 🥲 let’s manifest 130 please 😁

[fair bison]

Hi, what’s the Max Supply of Illuvium?

[plush hornet]

There are about 162K sILV2 tokens minted, based on Etherscan data. If fully claimed, the maximum supply should land around 9.84M, but some Yield-Farm rewards may remain unclaimed, so the final total could end up lower

[sage haven]

[silent moth]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-supernatural-dean-winchester-dont-you-gif-5087259

[plain bison]

SILV3 😅

[proven shard]

Boss 7$ incoming

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carrell-unamused-meh-gif-5167530

[narrow creek]

Time to go make this overtime 💤

[maiden pivot]

A lot more silv2 was minted I thought. Its like 9.6m max tokens for ILV more or less

[sage haven]

Work at woolworths and you'll never run out of bread. A week old hot cross bun is best

[narrow creek]

Ser I think I’m going to stay away from Australia. I don’t want stale bread, I don’t want to get shanked from a criminal and I def don’t want to box kangaroos every single day

It def warm there right now tho definitely jealous. Freezing here right now. Maybe the warm air is worth living in fear lol

[sage haven]

good chance to get killed by a spider at home

[sage haven]

maybe those OGs gonna play with alts after selling tens of billions worth of BTC

[gusty light]

exchanges wanna make those juicy fees remember

[narrow creek]

What the…. Yall got black widows?

[true tree]

I live where the air hurts my face because it also hurts the faces of spiders and snakes. They hate that more than I do even so they go to Australia.

[narrow creek]

I don’t miss those dang fees. I like kraken

[narrow creek]

Jeeze 💀

[narrow creek]

Hmm we could switch places to see what’s worse for a day. My face hurts from the cold air. So cold you don’t have to worry about spiders or snakes ever lol

https://tenor.com/view/winter-winter-is-coming-snow-gif-407455707907777435

[true tree]

I live in the cold too. It's why I stay here, the lack of spiders and snakes. I look at giant spider pictures when I come inside with frozen toes to make myself feel better.🤣

[narrow creek]

Gotta keep those toes warm haha. Merino wool is goated during the winter. I wear duckworth gear. Heck I wear it all year round actually. Just with less layers when it’s warm. Cotton freezes when wet

[sage haven]

whats a duckworth

u wear feathers?

[true tree]

Yak yarn socks are even better. I knit a few pairs of them. Never cotton.
I wear Tough Duck, probably pretty similar.🤣

Nope, not at all the same, I thought you meant you wear duckworth on top but duckworth is merino. Going to have to look at the site more.
I wear the wool stuff under the Tough Duck coats and pants. Only around the ranch though. I wear girl clothes and just freeze when I go out. 🤣

[narrow creek]

Yak yarn hmmm… don’t know the benefits of it 🤔 Duckworth brand is a merino wool company that raises their own sheep in Montana and makes their own gear here in the USA. Which is rare here. Cuz most companies make their stuff outside of the USA. Yeah silly name once I think about it for merino wool.

[narrow creek]

Here jag. They are having a Black Friday sale for ya

[sage haven]

$140 for a hoody are u a sheikh?

i buy my clothes from kmart lol

[true tree]

Tough Duck is named for the water proofness and it is hard to rip even with barbed wire. Canadian company

[narrow creek]

Yall have a KMART!??? 💀 they are all closed here in America

[proven shard]

What are these chats gang 😭

[true tree]

It is amazing how much a person will pay for warm clothes when they are cold.😂

[narrow creek]

Quality ser. It will last forever, doesn’t itch, doesn’t stink. Sweat just wicks away. No sweat stains. Keeps you warm during the winter and keeps you cool during the summer. Great as a sun shirt and doesn’t get cold when wet. (Infact it gets warmer when wet )

[proven shard]

Looks ass tbh just normal 9to5 wagies outfit

You live in antarctica or smth😹

[proven shard]

20 ilv😹

[true tree]

That was a smooth way of bringing this chat back on topic.

[narrow creek]

Nah but it does get cold asf during the winter lol 20 degrees right now. That’s not even bad

[narrow creek]

ILV up to $8 👀 what’s new

[proven shard]

Where i live -5 rn full of snow but i only use that hoodie when i go work outside i just bought some shit here in store for like 100$ idk how but its really good quality. But if i go out helly hansen or arcteryx clothes only gotta impress the huzz.

[narrow creek]

Listen I don’t want to hear about expensive anymore. ARCTERYX 💀💀💀

Go look it up jag. 1k for a jacket

[proven shard]

I coped some shit on some sale few months back the jacked thats like 600$ i paid 200$😹

[north tartan]

What is the possibilitys that btc take new ath before eoy? Q1?

[proven shard]

But helly hansen shoes, jackets also good tbh. Norwegian or swedish quality one of those 😄

[proven shard]

Whats the posibility that 1ilv=1arcteryx jacket?

[narrow creek]

Ooooh that would be the day

I will admit arcteryx have amazing shell jackets. I wear a shell outside my merino Wool. But I like KUIU shell jackets better. It’s half the price 💀 I just buy their rain jacket as my shell

[narrow creek]

This reminds me of truewerk gear. Nice. It’s important to have tough gear when working hard. I just bought a waxed jacket from Filson. Super durable shell for work. Cowboys swear by it

[proven shard]

You can be like bonie blue with arcteryx jacket none of the seamen is getting on you just slides down purely.

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-homer-simpsons-hide-disappear-gif-16799752

ILV to the moon. Kieran said December is going to be a good month

[north tartan]

0,0002% 😅

[proven shard]

Few more days 🍾

[narrow creek]

lol maybe.

[sage haven]

guys seriously

[narrow creek]

lol

Look I get it… I don’t have that many clothes. I have a small closet and still have room. But I’m telling ya the stuff never stinks and sweat stands no chance. Idk how to explain it jag. It’s goated. My cotton button ups I always have to wash after like 2 washes cuz of sweat stains. 😒 cotton sucks

Merino wool once I think about it saves you money. You hardly have to wash your clothes haha

Still like f@artcoin @sage haven ? Bought some more when it dipped to .24 cents

[sage haven]

i shower with bleach. no smell
i havent touched memecoins for awhile except for spx

[sage haven]

coinbase premium is finally green

[true tree]

@sage haven I dont take winter clothing advice from anyone who doesn't have to deal with -40 in the winter.🤷‍♀️

Did you guys see that JP Morgan filed to offer BTC backed structured notes?
It is a whole new playground. 4 year cycles don't mean what they used to.

[quiet thorn]

I think that the summer in Australia is going to be big for Illuvium

[inner quest]

You work blue collar?

[narrow creek]

Yep

[inner quest]

Nice. How did you start? Trades can be insanely difficult to get your foot in the door :/

[narrow creek]

Oh I just work at the airport in Indy and just kept working my way up. They are begging for workers. No skill required and you don’t even need a diploma. Idk about Australia but in the US we have trade schools everywhere. They will usually set you up with a job once you complete the program.

[sage haven]

yea tradies are high in demand here and very expensive

[sage haven]

is this alaska? ive been to finland in the winter and i dnt remember it was that cold.

yea looks like jp morgan was trying to disrupt the old players to launch their own products

[narrow creek]

-40 and lower is rare lol. You usually have to be near the poles like Alaska and Russia to experience that kind of trauma daily during the winter months. It has happened a few times in INDY when a polar vortex came through. Had to work in it once and I felt like I died a little bit. Told my boss I will never work in it again. They found a guy that died of heart failure laying by his semi truck at a FedEx location that day. Sad

[true tree]

Canada. Not a daily occurrence, I wouldn't stay if it was but brutal when it rolls. The colder it is the more time I have to spend outside keeping animals warm.
The cold kills people in Canada every year, usually heart attacks while shovelling snow. It is sad.

[narrow creek]

Makes you appreciate the sun a lot more that’s for sure. How do you keep animals warm when it’s that cold? Just keep them all huddled up in the barn with alot of hay?

[true tree]

Only have animals that handle cold well, windbreaks, sheds, barn, and lots of straw. I have an insulated large shed for my chickens and some radiant heaters for them.

[sage haven]

chicken is a tropical animal lol

[true tree]

Originally but today's chickens bred for colder climates have far more fat, meat and feathers. It's like cows. There are breeds for cold weather and hot weather and they are quite different from each other.

[proven shard]

1 chicken like 1 ilv right?

[quick heron]

I cant wait for the announcement. One of Illuviums strengths is announcements

[true tree]

Hate to admit this but 1 ILV won't buy 1 chicken any more. 😬

[proven shard]

In poor countrys like ukraine it will buy 2 chickens 🫵🏿

After the anouncements we can buy loads of chickens

[true tree]

Actually i was wrong. Forgot about currency conversion. One of my chickens does cost about 1 ILV. I feel better now.😂

I remember one guy who sold dairy cows to buy ILV years ago.

[proven shard]

selling dairy cows to buy ilv

bro sold his dairy cows to be someones exit liquidity

@steady wadi when 13$ boss

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

Now that’s sad

[sage haven]

you have savings? baller

[fathom pagoda]

Nothing colder than ilv price T_T

[sage haven]

Linkky promised me $13

[gusty light]

Italic writing too

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppets-muppet-angry-gif-4979240094074316588

[narrow creek]

Down we go again

[warm nebula]

gala and axie a bit colder

[maiden pivot]

lol gala

[sage haven]

they didnt pay you?

[proven shard]

Gang we might be cooked

[gusty light]

Sir but you targeting June 2026

[proven shard]

Yh but we in trenches rn

[sage haven]

we?

[opaque scroll]

its going down for real ~

[opaque scroll]

I am claiming it now, ILV will be $20 on 2028, 3yrs from now. Good thing about this is, it won't die.

[gusty light]

I guess just us two not in the trenches

[gusty light]

Decent upside 3x over 3 years, better than most markets

[opaque scroll]

that's +300% for over 3years. Not bad

[sage haven]

"ETH does not go up in value, it just ranges for 4 years"

[livid shell]

https://tenor.com/view/like-a-rock-chevy-gif-13763807

[warm nebula]

oooof XD

[livid shell]

don't worry it's not personal it's a tariff thing ilv will get wings

https://tenor.com/view/redbull-madies-24-pack-madie-madie-redbull-gif-138521948937141461

[warm nebula]

Not worried for my sake at all
I'll be on this boat til sunrise or sunset ☀️

[livid shell]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-burdon-gif-19834053

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God I know I'm one."

Keep on fighting on stay in place !

[obsidian bronze]

When would be the expected date for MMO opening?

[sage haven]

soon?

[sage haven]

all right bois
double bottom forming
santa rally, mini alt szn, dcb loading

[violet knot]

good time to buy?

[uncut silo]

Long term for sure. Short term might see more pain. I reloaded and still have some spare cash

Btc fib .382 was well defended. Until broken bull market is intact to me

[violet knot]

FA?

[uncut silo]

Is it you ?

[narrow creek]

Hail f@rtco!n.

[sage haven]

flatulence token is best

[narrow creek]

Roy has been outperforming f@rtco!n the past 7 days by a lot. Dangit

[opaque scroll]

That's what I said when ILV hit $15, now its on half

[proven shard]

BUY LOW 📉SELL HIGH 📈

[narrow creek]

Buy high sell low is what most people do tho

[proven shard]

Bro until you sell you dont have a loss just hold (Brutal)🤣

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-gif-26450196

[narrow creek]

Yes hold, hold till it all goes to zero

[proven shard]

Every time it goes back up why be scared?

[gusty light]

Because those bounces are in a downtrend

[sage haven]

because people are trapped lol

there will be more people trying to quit this market than getting in

thats why it will be very hard to break higher this late in the cycle

[sage haven]

btc.d down
stables.d down
while total is up
mini alt szn to end it

people wont start buying before btc is 100k tho

[gusty light]

i think we will all be pleasantly surprised (most likely after I exit)

[sage haven]

well lets see where this lands.
fukusa upgrade might be a catalyst too

[sage haven]

https://x.com/binance/status/1996180264213741661?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Binance (@binance)

“We are going to see a market comeback in Q1 of 2026. February and March will be a bull market again, based on a combination of macro indicators.” - Alice Liu, Head of Research at CMC, on market cycles

X · Dec 3, 2025, 11:30 AM

[proven shard]

@steady wadi is ilv chart telling us something?👀

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/sonfys-shrek-gif-15350610703372212021

[stiff stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-gon-be-good-this-gonna-be-good-drama-gif-6058085

[proven shard]

https://tenor.com/view/up-bye-gif-18483444

[steady wadi]

AI disrupt & accelerate so many things in the world we know.
New technology we can't even imagine yet to come. But humain is slow to change & to learn and do structure of the old system has well. Knowing that we will have the time to position slowly sit and watch .

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-debate-president-presidential-debate-wtf-gif-4127151492472228747

[sage haven]

https://x.com/boldleonidas/status/1996441251273675056?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Bold (@boldleonidas)

X · Dec 4, 2025, 4:47 AM

[north tartan]

Haha.

[quiet thorn]

I believe we can still break the $10 mark this year if we get new information about the MMO release!

[sage haven]

9.99

[steady wadi]

13

[opaque scroll]

Because those who invest now will gain x3-x5 before you even get break even. They get profit, and you don't.

[steady wadi]

Momemtum is about to popup!!! 👀 🟢

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/slapshot-slapshot-rebound-hasbulla-hasbulla-gaming-gif-25929320

[proven shard]

You said same a week ago 🫩

[sage haven]

[steady wadi]

11 dec 👀

[proven shard]

This 👶🏿 here to

[proven shard]

👀 something has to do with those announcements that will make the bears hybernate?

[steady wadi]

What ?

[proven shard]

I am still thinking about kierans x post few weeks ago

[steady wadi]

No idea, totally forgot about this post . It's just graph telling me something will occur. Can't tell what no idea...

[sage haven]

Linkky just casually throwing random dates

[sage haven]

im curious tho can u post your chart, like what do u see

[steady wadi]

Say what ever you want lol . No sharing my analysis.

[sage haven]

wtf dude

hard to explain to wife if she sees that

[proven shard]

This linkky just capping december 11 he probably gets his unemployement check thats it, he just baiting us..

[steady wadi]

Just remember the word... event if I post a chart you wont understand a things... next level ...

[proven shard]

Just drop the chart man

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/that-sounds-like-a-challenge-william-zabka-johnny-lawrence-cobra-kai-looks-l-ike-a-challenge-gif-18572487

[steady wadi]

Kid make fun of others just like at school... grow up... use your brain & evolve 🧠

[proven shard]

What are those chatgpt replys

[sage haven]

i will never do that
unless its josh

[steady wadi]

If i'm worng... than... i'm worng lol...

[proven shard]

So its bad?

[sage haven]

if people are right they wont be here lol

[steady wadi]

See ya.

[proven shard]

This dude ahh🥀👶🏿🫩📉📉📉😭

[sage haven]

lmao

[proven shard]

Chart on ilv is 50-50, it shows good signs then dumps most of the time😭

[sage haven]

for that mcap u need to zoom out make some sense

LTF just too much noise

the res is at 9.88

until then the trend is down
Series of LH LL

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-michael-office-office-the-office-michael-dissapointed-gif-10330114095315693821

Withholding from us

I think this was linkky chart from a few weeks ago lol

[sage haven]

need more lines

[sage haven]

delusional
https://x.com/altcoindaily/status/1996721285750010012?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Altcoin Daily (@AltcoinDaily)

Tom Lee says #ethereum is going to $62,000 within a few months

X · Dec 4, 2025, 11:20 PM

[gusty light]

His timeline is certainly unbelievable but I’m all for it if it happens

[sage haven]

it wont

[jagged fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/ummmmmm-excuse-me-what-gif-19629790

[gusty light]

Not in his timeframe yah

[narrow creek]

This guy is not in touch with reality

[sage haven]

not ever

[sage haven]

yea he sold snake oil at very high price

[true tree]

Never say never.
People said that BTC wouldn't go to $62 K ever too. Who knows what the future can bring?
BUT...a couple months seems to be just a wee bit optimistic.

[sage haven]

20x from here when it only add $100 after four years?
yea neva gonna happen

[north tartan]

Aa 2x from here and im happy 🤣

[sage haven]

[true tree]

The older I get the less I give predictions of what will and won't happen years in the future. Seen too many things that I never would have expected to happen happen. Not saying it will go to that though. I mean it could go to 0 too. We are in for some pretty crazy times ahead.

[sage haven]

You will never see a flying unicorn eating pizza standing upside down on its horn

👀

[silent moth]

It’s eating with its forehead

[true tree]

That is creepy with the two different wings and the forehead eating.
🤣

[quiet thorn]

I think the situation is fairly clear. We wait for the MMO to be released and then see if the game is good and if Kieran can conjure some money into the bank to get through the next couple of years.

Once we get check marks on these, we can press the buy button again, and the price will probably be reasonable since we are already deep in a bear market.

[calm beacon]

USA and Australia in same group for World Cup 👀

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/incident-gif-2747499635347300991

[proven shard]

[steady wadi]

https://x.com/illuvivault/status/1997077346373746839

illuviVault (@illuvivault)

@illuviumio deserves real analytics. I built them.
Core Analytics Module (alpha) Treasury · Revenue · Safety Pool · Runway · Health
Subscription-only → https://t.co/ko9MMg8Av2
• Waitlist → DM
#IlluviumAnalytics #ILV #GameFi #Web3Gaming

X · Dec 5, 2025, 10:55 PM

[sage haven]

is this a promotion?

[steady wadi]

Is this a real question ?

It's related to the token, a lot of metrics.

[sage haven]

It says subscription-only

[ornate crescent]

Time to drain the swamp. Coinbase and Chainlink connect EVM to Solana. Let the migration commence.

[sage haven]

I guess everyone is trying to extract every bit of liquidity they can get

https://tenor.com/view/hustle-money-grind-grindset-meme-gif-16805370159731687418

[inner quest]

O rly

[steady wadi]

Spike is coming ⬆️ 🟢

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/spike-look-up-glasses-no-oh-no-gif-16881807

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-marques-brownlee-timeless-iconic-vintage-gif-7635867715570774876

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/well-waiting-were-waiting-gif-5848728

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-gif-5793231

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/ateu-gif-11707357242647312998

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/link-legend-of-zelda-tloz-willem-dafoe-gif-gif-27286570

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-4381243063306953514

[quiet thorn]

I noticed that the IPL stream's viewership had risen from 20 to 2000. Has this been reflected in the number of players?

[steady wadi]

#🎮〕illuvium-arena message

[quiet thorn]

It was a question that interested investors rather than being related to the game, so I believe this is the right channel.

[steady wadi]

Was not saying is was in the wrong channel. Just mentionning that I have been asking the same questions. Maybe, I should ahve bring it in #💰〕token instead.

[prime canopy]

prob someone viewbotted, almost 0 people in chat after all

[quiet thorn]

This sounds logical.

It seems that the arena did not meet expectations.

In my opinion, the team should now cut all the arena's costs and focus 100% on MMO. If that gets finished and attracts players, then we could think about how to make the arena interesting, since clearly the TFT copy doesn't work.

[steady wadi]

🟢

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-oh-my-god-its-happening-gif-17270692

[steady wadi]

Just wait

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[steady wadi]

Data.

[sage haven]

Waited for 4 years

[steady wadi]

Ouch

[sage haven]

Why tho

[quick heron]

this is great news. Trust the process and the leadership

[prime canopy]

The time for that was probably earlier already, TFT keeps getting better and riot keeps putting more resources towards it, obv can’t compete with that.

[quick heron]

what do you mean, the project has used 60m$ and 4 years to delevop arena. What more ressources do you need?

[prime canopy]

I wonder how much of that did go into the original 1v1 idea before it was scrapped while in its realistically first alpha version

[quiet thorn]

I agree that the decision should have been made a year ago, but at that time it was decided to go in the TFT direction. Now the results are surely visible, so it might be the right time to reconsider.

[prime canopy]

It is hindsight, but I still believe with a better economy/reward setup the current game would have couple hundred players at least.
Then at least you can have the web3 players.

I hate this so much in web3 games when companies make these setups, that disincentive people from doing anything that would market the game to more players.
„Rewarding“ small # of anon non socially active players utterly stupid.

[quick heron]

Who is the Game Director for the MMO right now, after the last two left?

[steady wadi]

Nore sure but I tihnk Perry and Rogier are taking the lead on MMO. According to this MMO on oct 7 2025. Can't post the youtube link, I just got banned 7 days for that attemp 😅

That's a good question you could ask to Kieran in the coming Town Hall: #1446566441255174264 message

[prime canopy]

perry and rogier actually good news, prob better than washed up people who were let go or w.e. from normal companies

[quick heron]

interesting, on what MMOs have they worked before?

[light hull]

Those two leaving sounds bad

The content I saw looked like a real game.

[swift moon]

Steven wasn't washed up at all, the guy is clever as fk

[quick heron]

Well regardless, now they expierienced people at Illuvium can make the vision come to life. its a team of superstars as they have shown

[light hull]

Can you give some color on the devs leaving? This is the first I've heard of it

[quick heron]

Rogier did a fantastic job in designing the Illuvials, making an MMO should be not troubles for him

[swift moon]

Not sure either I was also surprised. The other guy, Trevor I think, just left. But for Steven there is some top secret ops going on, to the point it's not allowed to ask on discord 😀

[light hull]

So, aaron's fault?

[quick heron]

careful with your critisimim of the leadership team, people have been banned for less

[swift moon]

No idea but watching and listening Steven in different Illuvium videos was music to the ears, a stark contrast to the other participants

[swift moon]

I was banned 1-2 weeks ago for calling @sage haven acoustic. Which is a fact. But even I find your passive aggressive trolling annoying

[quick heron]

username checks out

[swift moon]

At least I'm not hiding like a rat, if I have something to say I say it

[quick heron]

I just saw a video of a rat catching a bat mid flight and eating it. Dont underestimate rats!

[swift moon]

There are special rats too, you are right

[warm nebula]

I don't agree with that take
The game is good, fun, and feels good to play.
I think it's more about accessibility, marketing, outreach and brand awareness. I haven't seen Illuvium ANYWHERE other than in the crypto sphere. You can make the most amazing thing, but if no one knows about it who dafuq gonna play?

[sage haven]

idc about the name calling. i find it interesting you have a feeling/opinion this strong

[warm nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dance-funny-rat-dance-dancing-rat-gif-7971112121050838550

[quiet thorn]

I don't know if the bank has enough money for extensive marketing of the arena and to complete the MMO together.

[gusty light]

How much was in the bank?

[quiet thorn]

I think its around 5m now

[swift moon]

Well before it was annoying because alot of time was spent on this and it felt like you didn't even read the full thing, because the reasoning for your vote didn't make any sense. But I don't care anymore, let's see rewards v3. Rewards v2 were short lived 😀

[prime canopy]

prob none, but I believe more in them making something actual real people want to play than I believe in some other people

[prime canopy]

I thought part of the whole wildcard thing at the tournaments and paying streamers to play the game was part of that marketing?

Like the game doesn´t have to be reasonable or ok, you have to be different or way better than competitors, way better than TFT is delusional and the different part was given up, when 1v1 was given up idk.

As an ok game, you would need to lean a lot more to the economy stuff and make some kinda thing with that as different, but so far team has rejected building any systems for that.
(outside of this p2w thing, that checks players, no one plays or wants outside of people who own things and can extract money)

[gusty light]

Oh sheesh

[jagged fulcrum]

Correct and this is why the safety pool proposals were passed.

[sage haven]

there is no enough evidence that giving out rewards in OW/arena will translate to sustainable revenue.
arena $150k rewards, 34 active players.
we are most likely in the bear market, why would you want give out rewards unless you want some exit liquidity

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-you-gif-12132780510830100725

[sage haven]

💀

ill give you by FOMC and BoJ

[swift moon]

I already explained you everything last time, I cbb to write that crap again. Not sure what evidence you need.

The IPL didn't work for many reasons. As soon as Kieran announced it, I replied him directly that it's not going to work and mentioned why not.

And the fact you use words like exit liquidity confirms you didn't read the proposal before voting, and it's your job. Well done

[sage haven]

explain how it wont be an exit liquidity if the rewards can be dumped on the market.
unless you believe that we can create demand by giving some emotes lol

[swift moon]

I did in the various threads, you should read them

[sage haven]

you do know that the problem is we have too many illuvials? and somehow your solution is to give more

[swift moon]

I've also tackled that issue and suggested possible solutions (including within the proposal, but not only, another proof you didn't read it)

[sage haven]

show me

[swift moon]

And no, that is not the problem at all. We need like 1000x more. The actual problem my dear Jaga, is lack of demand

[sage haven]

you cant increase demand by giving more supply lol

[swift moon]

Do your homework, what is this high school? Read it yourself it will take you 5 min

[sage haven]

you are acting like one when the teacher ask if youve done the homework, and you said i gave it to you. when the teacher ask where is it you answer find it yourself you are the teacher

the burden of proof is on the accuser

[swift moon]

Nope I act like the teacher when they give you a bad grade for not reading the paperwork, which is btw what you are paid to do

[sage haven]

you do know you were the on who proposed and im grading the proposal
are we in the twilligh zone

[swift moon]

How are you grading something you didn't read, that is the interesting part

[sage haven]

part of growing up is being ok when things dont go your way

[swift moon]

I'm ok things not going my way, if there is logical reason behind it

[sage haven]

you not getting the logic doesnt mean its not logical

[swift moon]

But so far the only thing we discovered is you didn't read the proposal before voting, nothing on the logic side

[sage haven]

explain how you come to the conclusion

[swift moon]

Because it's just a fact? And you know it?

[sage haven]

LOL
this is entertaining

https://tenor.com/view/im-super-cereal-al-gore-south-park-s10e6-manbearpig-gif-20854895

[swift moon]

Otherwise you wouldn't speak about exit liquidity - it was suggested the rewards to be turned to gameplay oriented ones, instead of tokens

Regarding the supply/demand side, there is a ton of discussion about that too. The burning tech rewards are one angle we can tackle it. You should read it

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/flat-earth-sun-and-moon-movement-gif-18798954

[swift moon]

Are you having an existential crisis or something Jagins

[sage haven]

flat earth is a fact and you know it

[sage haven]

give me examples of the rewards

hes gonna answer: you read it yourself

[swift moon]

Stop trolling kiddo, there were examples in the feedback thread, community pushed for the rewards to be ironed out by Labs so I reflected that in the proposal (there are still some examples). Oh and another great example we have you didn't read a proposal before voting. What a lovely governance system we have in place

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/gotcha-longest-yard-chris-rock-smile-gif-2136606628780168502

here let me help you citing your OWN proposal.

[swift moon]

You are getting emotional Jaga, I provided you with a reward example, one of many suggested few messages up - a burning tech consumable reward

[sage haven]

yea im very entertained, havent laughed this much

[swift moon]

As I said, the power was given to Labs to figure out the rewards as per community demand. Some of my suggestions were +1 stat orbs, XP crates, burning tech among others

[sage haven]

it is very interesting to me that people still dont understand that incentivizing gaming doesnt work

[swift moon]

I'm done talking to you Jaga, you are just dumb and refuse to think outside your thick boomer skull. You are already emotional which means it's pointless to continue

[sage haven]

the reward should always be fun lol
the fact that you use the word "rewards" in the same sentence with "gameplay" is hillarious

[swift moon]

Are you having a stroke or something? What legendary item do you get at the end of a quest in any game and how is that called? A reward maybe

[sage haven]

its called LOOT LMAOOOO

[swift moon]

It's loot when you loot it from a boss or an npc sillyhead

[sage haven]

said no one ever

[swift moon]

Your low level tier trolling doesn't work here Jagins, good luck

[sage haven]

kept you engaged for an hour

[swift moon]

During my morning dump and coffee, if that's your highlight of the day so be it

[sage haven]

you need fiber

i hope you do find something else in life than some digital collection. it's just a game, shouldnt define your life

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[sage haven]

pretty sad to see some people invested what they cannot afford to lose

[swift moon]

I'm not sure what you are on about now or why you are so upset. I just called you out for slacking on your job and voting on things without reading them, which is a gross negligence of duties. Or even worse, you are voting on things beyond your level of comprehension. Finally it's very likely a result of both

I got my own place at 28 and have a good job, don't worry about that. Ilv going to the moon or the sewers will have zero impact on my lifestyle 😀

[sage haven]

you are lashing out and calling me names because your proposal that you have spent hours on got rejected lol

next cycle, dont spend it all on internet magic money

[swift moon]

Don't play the victim now lmao, not you of all people. You are a thick skinned troll and it didn't affect you the slightest

[sage haven]

is english your second language

[swift moon]

Yeah and I'm certified to teach it, why?

[sage haven]

im having fun and feel bad about you lashing out on some proposal that wont make a diff even implemented

[swift moon]

You are not, you got upset and offended that I expose you that's all. It's so obvious and you are embarrassing yourself

[sage haven]

expose what lol

[swift moon]

You should take some English classes if the previous messages didn't hit it. I can offer my services if you are interested

[sage haven]

sorry i dont take english lesson from anon on crypto gaming discord

[swift moon]

It was just a kind suggestion, I wouldn't charge you anything for a friend. Of course you can also look at other providers

[sage haven]

feel bad for your students

chatgpt is free

[swift moon]

I don't have any, I'm just certified to do it if I want to. C2 level English baby. Not bad for a second language

[sage haven]

lmao that explains everything. im sorry for laughing

[swift moon]

It's ok I'm laughing at you since I woke up, even yesterday 😂

[sage haven]

thats really good, i hope it helps with the pain

[swift moon]

If you are in pain I can recommend some CBD oils, or thc. Depends on the type of pain. But it's best to just get through it naturally and get some exercise

[dusty trout]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-teddy-altman-those-two-need-to-get-a-room-they-need-to-get-a-room-kim-raver-gif-9102106267258372684

[verbal cove]

happy to see we're all laughing again even though we missed the real life oil fight of jag vs josh that was supposed to open the world tournament. Token chat continues to deliver

[gusty light]

So… are we really worth 70mm market cap?

[swift moon]

Ask our expert Jagins, he's been in council for 3 years. The only thing which I remember him being part of and pushing for was the airdrop campaign.

What a total wreck that was 😀

[gusty light]

Sir please forgive me I would like to stay out of any conflict

[sage haven]

imagine spending hours designing a POE world tree for a monster collection

[swift moon]

Consider yourself pardoned 🙇‍♂️

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-3752235350481134998

[verbal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[swift moon]

Keep embarrass yourself Jagins. Where did you see POE world tree? I simplified it greatly, for people like you. We can actually go alot deeper into it.

How did your airdrop baby develop? 😀

[gusty light]

maybe it’s for all the land owners

[sage haven]

i topped season 1 and season 2
i made money from the airdrop lmao

[swift moon]

Yes you made money. While the DAO bled alot more than what they got in return. Thank you for proving my point

[sage haven]

the dao dumped more token on salary lol read the burn report

[gusty light]

Right I’m calling it. This is the bottom. Targeting 9.5 usd as cycle peak.

[sage haven]

oh im sorry did nasty got dumped on

[swift moon]

Don't gaslight. You rekt yourself already. The only thing which you have been pushing for 3 years in councils was a total disaster and a complete failure

[sage haven]

wdym, i got airdropped and paid council salary, how is it possible i get rekt

[swift moon]

Nope, you refuse to let go because you got upset. Can't be angry for people replying to your nonesense

[sage haven]

im entertained lol ur making it too easy

[swift moon]

That's the whole point Jaga, maybe you should use chatgpt to translate it for you like you suggested? English is not your strong side.

You haven't done anything for this DAO besides extracting. And people like you, being totally clueless, having any voting rights and power is just stupid. That is just a fact, no need to get upset about it

[sage haven]

why would i be upset to come out in profit, unlike you

[swift moon]

I don't know, you are the one who keeps sending messages that scream I am upset I have to reply something

[sage haven]

well you got muted for a week

and tried to add me as friend, which i rejected lmaoooo

[swift moon]

I got banned, not muted. And I only added you to let you know, not to wonder why I stopped typing in chat, out of kindness.

But a negative low IQ troll can't recognize such things

[sage haven]

lol worse
why would i wanna care for a pixel on my monitor lol

[swift moon]

Why are you still here then? You are not fooling anyone, my emotional friend

[sage haven]

because im getting so much dopamine

[swift moon]

Yikes

[stiff stratus]

So much on-topic token chatting in here

[sage haven]

Red bag syndrome

[swift moon]

Go touch some grass Jaga, it's a better source for dopamine. Life is more than wicks and fib sequences

We already reached a consensus you have been not only useless to the DAO for your many council epochs, but actually detrimental too

If you need help with the word detrimental, pm I will explain

[prime canopy]

I thought this chat is here to entertain us when we have few min to kill, seems on topic

[swift moon]

Send another rabid troll to put down, last one is finished

[prime canopy]

why did jag quit council btw, I always thought he liked the 1 meeting into paycheck?
Also, who even fills that seat now? Filo back, even though he is on the team?

[steady wadi]

Yeah, the name of the channel is #💰〕token let's keep the topic around it and leave other discussion here #🏃〕off-topic .

Enough of those ego talk that's non constructive in Token channel... people need to lear to control teire emotion and not letting control by them, the world will be better.

Coming town hall soon!: https://discord.com/events/760344898200666112/1447823218667814953

[sage haven]

is this you?

i won 3 elections lol

[swift moon]

Yes, what is your point with this? That Kieran has enough voting power to select the entire IMC? 😀

[sage haven]

at least someone picked me, cant say the same bout u boo

https://tenor.com/view/burned-food-wtf-gif-22978287

[swift moon]

Stay salti Jagins, you are acting like a teen girl. You actually spent time looking for stuff 🤣

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-next-please-south-park-s13e3-margaritaville-next-in-line-gif-22863342

[swift moon]

Can you remind us, what did you do during these 3 elections that you are proud of? 😀

[sage haven]

i didnt get dumped on, cant say about you tho

[swift moon]

Yep I thought so 😀

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-a-deep-burn-ouch-hurt-gif-16881780

[swift moon]

I mean if you are ok being worse than useless that's fine. The world needs people of all kinds

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/violin-tiny-cute-gif-15898508

[swift moon]

Turned you into my gif side chick, lovely

[narrow creek]

75 messages 🤔

[narrow creek]

Oh now I know. Jag always making things interesting lol

[harsh tree]

So many messages

Last time below 3K eth calling it now

[narrow creek]

Oh really now. What makes you say that 🤔

Make a bet with @tawny kiln

[harsh tree]

Because my bias wants it to go up🙂

And also my long

[quick heron]

What hindered them the last 4 years?

[prime canopy]

I don´t think they had much say on final decisions.

[steady wadi]

Now the buying pression is coming 👀

[warm nebula]

More ego filled token chat… while illuvium still struggles… tis a shame

Who cares who’s —- is bigger if everyone is sinking together? Silly

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/liftoff-moon-rocket-blastoff-launch-gif-22437697

[tawny kiln]

Last dead cat bounce where ETH will be above 3k.

[hazy orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/it-has-been-decided-the-league-candle-gif-14471325

[verbal cove]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

[steady wadi]

Volatility should exploded this week💥

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/folding-chair-fold-up-chair-ready-watching-gif-11964736

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-esperando-mr-bean-waiting-gif-4513135960021631723

oof

tbf their game sucks tho

[maiden pivot]

I never played it, but it did seem like people did shill it harder than it maybe deserved

[sage haven]

the nft pumped before the playtest, people played it then dumped it hard. the playtest was really2 bad, i dropped some feedbacks and left the discord.

[maiden pivot]

Yeah really puts weight on making a good impression

[sage haven]

hollow knight silksong just proved that you dnt need high budget to make $120m, just pure talent

and their first game sold 15m copies

[maiden pivot]

I don't like sequels as a reference point.

Most game studios fail for 4-5 years before finally dropping a banger.

Team Cherry did incredibly well to nail it on their first try but they had done dozens of game jams before even making hollow knight.

Also hollow knight silksong took like 6+ years Dev cycle.

Point is I would never compare the sequel of a successful franchise/studio to a startup.

But hollow knight does prove that with game designers who have done it a lot in the past, they can execute well.

[sage haven]

the first game budget was $57k and sold 15m copies. Whats your excuse

the startup u mentioned prob raised $ millions and could have hired "experienced devs"

[maiden pivot]

Not sure what you are trying to say? Obviously a side scrolling platformer has a smaller budget. But they developed it for 4 years so 57k means it's a side quest lol, not a full time project

[maiden pivot]

Many crypto game studios went extremely bloated. Comparing themselves to AAA studios rather than starting off as indie like they should have.

[sage haven]

imagine a side job is beating the whole crypto gaming industry

[maiden pivot]

Even modern AAA studios made successful indie titles first before expanding

[maiden pivot]

You conveniently ignore the 1000 indie titles with the exact same story that failed.

Generational talent is still generational talent.

That'd be like saying Steve Jobs built Apple in his garage, what's your excuse brokie. It's completely ridiculous.

[sage haven]

exactly my point, what you need is talent, not $ millions in budget

crypto gaming is the opposite of talent, they spent hundreds of millions and generated....

i think a good rule of thumb is if you dnt have a PMF with $1m, u will never gonna make it

[maiden pivot]

Well yeah talent is important. But talent is built over 4-5 years of education, hard work and more, in every industry.

So many of these Crypto Game Studios will slowly improve their talent over time. Very few game jam enthusiasts are interested in learning all the blockchain info and development tech to integrate it.

[sage haven]

why not hire dev with 4-5 years of experience?

[maiden pivot]

More Crypto Gaming studios should have started more bootstrapped yeah. I think its something Gigaverse did particularly well.

They formed a small dev team of people who built a fun discord game. People enjoyed it and they built it out.

[maiden pivot]

They'd demand a pretty large salary, so kind of defeats the point of what you are trying to achieve tbh.

But really a talented dev is nothing without a passion for the project. Returning to Hollow Knight, this was a team of people who built their own game from the ground up based in their own lived experience.

Hiring an outside designer to then take your personal passion and concept and build it out, doesn't yield the same results, believe me. The creative fields don't quite work the same way 😛

You need a talented designer with a vision, who just so happens to love crypto and ownership.

As Crypto slowly becomes more mainstream, this will become a more common occurence.

[sage haven]

They are not bootstrapped. They sold NFTs. Bootstrap means founders dnt get paid for the work theyve done, usually the founders are the dev

they sold nft before launching the game, they raised money lol

[maiden pivot]

Gigaverse built out discord prototypes to find PMF before then launching NFTs etc. This is literally what you said.

"i think a good rule of thumb is if you dnt have a PMF with $1m, u will never gonna make it"

They find PMF, then executed, NFTs giving them the runway to take it to the next level.

[sage haven]

im pretty sure u can build a discord game in your lunch break

[maiden pivot]

Sure they did it the more crypto way, but they found proof of concept, feedback etc long before selling anything.

Plus they kept the team lean which is better than most.

[sage haven]

lol its a rock paper scissor its not rocket science

[maiden pivot]

Not a discord game with DAU and PMF. That takes longer.

[sage haven]

my 4yo daughter can play rock paper scissor, the game found PMF decades ago lol

[maiden pivot]

Who cares... They found an audience that likes rock paper scissors, and are willing to play it.

Stop being subjective with your own personal tastes. They found something that worked, they found an audience, it's not complicated.

[sage haven]

lol now its who cares

[maiden pivot]

Can she really? Does she often win?

[sage haven]

sometimes

[maiden pivot]

Is this about making successful games? Or games you like to play. Cause if you aren't willing to have an honest discussion about the topic, then why bother? You just want to hate crypto games and thats fine.

But without diagnosing what has and hasn't worked, how would you find a resolution?

It sounds like you don't even want crypto games to ever work? And thats cool, but you should be honest with yourself.

[sage haven]

ur the one who got paid to shill crypto games

how can you be impartial

[maiden pivot]

I want the industry to succeed. How is that weird? Equally as normal as you wanting it to fail

[sage haven]

you want studios to keep paying you, thats not weird its called a job

[maiden pivot]

?? I have learnt everything I need about YouTube to succeed in other industries. If Crypto Gaming completely fails I'll start a new channel.

[sage haven]

why would i want it to fail, what benefit do i get

it's a conclusion based on my experience playing prob more crypto games than you did

i farmed those games lol

[sage haven]

thats good to hear. Thats something iceey told me on X too.
maybe prediction market is a good option

[sage haven]

i agree with this take.
i do respect gigaverse for starting out small relative to the crypto gaming standard. idk if dith is a dev, but if he is then it's good that the founder is the dev.
Altho they NGMI if they are just relying on rock paper scissor that everyone is botting using a 3rd party site

[maiden pivot]

Dith was a higher up from stripe if I remember rightly. He understands the crypto/payments/pmf side of things really well. I think he had a few passionate game devs in the small crew he built with, Dith is a bit more marketing guy.

They have 3 minigames in Gigaverse so far, but the mmo is starting to develop with their overworld dropping this month. So I guess we will see.

[north tartan]

Jag i miss you talk about the markets💪

[sage haven]

nothing has changed. market is waiting for fomc and boj

[north tartan]

Ok fomc today right?

[sage haven]

my bias is still dead cat bounce to retest these levels: 100k, 108k, 112k. above 112k is a potential new ATH.
eth looks better than btc atm. i wont be surprised if it runs to january.
but for me the cycle is over and this is just an exit pump

every pump will be met with bagholders trying to exit

lets hope some are greedy enough to max bid

but again nobody knows unless you are CZ

[uncut silo]

How can the cycle be over when liquidity will start to be accommodating again with next months? Either we have a flash crash to liquidate more people or its just a bear trap?

[sage haven]

btc has decoupled from the global M2

[sage haven]

81 days offset

and also from spy

why would people buy magic internet money when you can get better return on nvda or pltr, u know companies with earnings

[north tartan]

Wht you think about euro zone thinking about to start increase rates again on the same time usa is lowering. Something not so normal.

[steady wadi]

Now.

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/herewego-joker-darkknight-batman-heathledger-gif-5215603

For those who know, know.

[jagged fulcrum]

FYI

[steady wadi]

👌

#💰〕token message

[tiny ridge]

Yes

[inner quest]

Passion and talent without higher ups or third party contractors watering down the game which we constantly see.

Some AAA releases could have been pretty cool, but they insist on focusing on online play, microtransactions, or some dumb message that doesn’t serve the largest demographic actually playing/buying games

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/you-think-you-know-but-you-dont-assume-you-dont-know-you-are-not-aware-expect-gif-15814979

[sage haven]

RBA is also ending the cut cycle and considering raising rates due to inflation mostly from housing

[sage haven]

Now dump?

[steady wadi]

Relax, don't ping me everytime wind is changing. It's feel like you got nothing better to do.

[sage haven]

your calls been absolutely wrong lol

it's called sell the news event, learn it

theres also bearish divergence on LTF

while eth testing 1d 100ema

price going up pre fomc means market is expecting good news, then they take profit after the good news. means the trade is over

now on mid TF or HTF eth still looks good, it just broke diagonal resistance just need to retest the break out

at around 3100ish

if u have no idea what im talking about, step aside linkky

ethbtc looks good

so far the plan is still following Q1 2022 dead cat bounce.

every pump is weak, being sold off as bagholders praying for exit.

[maiden pivot]

They are so dumb its hilarious. InCReAsiNg rAtEs solVEs inFLaTioN

Its gonna force them to jack up their spending even higher and just nuke the economy even worse lmao. Solving a machete wound with a crusty tiny bandaid.

[sage haven]

when are they gonna admit that its immigration issue

[maiden pivot]

You know what doesn't increase rent. Increasing mortgage repayment costs, oh wait.

LMAOOOO

[sage haven]

[maiden pivot]

They never will, the corruption runs pretty deep. It's been game over for quite some time

[sage haven]

tbf australian economy has been sustained by steady immigration

they just let in too many too soon

[maiden pivot]

its cooked either way. But less immigration is way safer, way less murders and robberies etc

[sage haven]

tougher immigration policy

[maiden pivot]

people in my suburb get robbed every week, only a matter of time until my car is stolen tbh

[sage haven]

melbourne is so cooked, time to move to WA scoriox

i was about to buy tickets to melb, then i saw the news i was like hell no

[maiden pivot]

Did u see the exodus from melb made brisbane second most expensive city

I would do WA but its too far away from the rest of the world. If I moved it'd probably be like mid rural Queensland. Get the weather and benefit of being closer to Asia. Its a bit more bogan so has some insulation to the immigration a bit better

[sage haven]

thats why WA will always be safe, nobody likes spiders

[maiden pivot]

i have arachnophobia, hate those bastards.

Not for me

[sage haven]

it's close to bali tho. you can claim centerlink and live in bali for free

[inner quest]

We need to make Australia more diverse guys

[sage haven]

Wait till you see someone defecating on the roadside

[maiden pivot]

Shiet, the Australian Dream

[maiden pivot]

You wouldn't believe what I saw on my way to work one day... Was actually insane....

[cursive basin]

Lots of work here, business is booming

[sage haven]

Jpow: "Jobs are weakening. Inflation is rising again. Rates are neutral. And we may have to slow cuts."
Ethmaxi: but ETH to $16K

[tiny ridge]

Lmeow

[fresh drum]

Melbourne is %100 cooked.

[jagged fulcrum]

What? the FED revised it's growth outlook up and inflation outlook down since September.

With the above, jobs market softened. Cut made sense and likely a Jan pause while they get more data coverage on inflation reasonable.

CPI on 18th Dec

[sage haven]

can ethmaxi read tho
"The official report on the labor market for September, the most recent release, showed
that the unemployment rate continued to edge up, reaching 4.4 percent, and that job gains had slowed significantly since earlier in the year. A good part of the slowing likely reflects a decline in the growth of the labor force, due to lower immigration and labor force participation, though labor demand has clearly softened as well. In this less dynamic and somewhat softer labor market, the downside risks to employment appear to have risen in recent months. In our SEP, the median projection of the unemployment rate is 4.5 percent at the end of this year and edges down thereafter.
Inflation has eased significantly from its highs in mid-2022 but remains somewhat elevated relative to our 2 percent longer-run goal. Very little data on inflation have been released
since our meeting in October. Total PCE prices rose 2.8 percent over the 12 months ending in
September and, excluding the volatile food and energy categories, core PCE prices also rose 2.8 percent. These readings are higher than earlier in the year as inflation for goods has picked
up, reflecting the effects of tariffs."

HOWARD SCHNEIDER. Thank you. Howard Schneider with Reuters. Just first turning
to the statement, just to be clear we're on the same page here, the insertion of the phrase,
"considering the extent and timing of additional adjustments," does that indicate that the Fed is
now on hold until there's some clearer signal from inflation or jobs or the evolution of the
economy along the baseline outlook?
CHAIR POWELL. So, yes, the adjustments since September bring our policy within a
broad range of estimates of neutral. And, as we noted in our statement today, we are well
positioned to determine the extent and timing of additional adjustments based on the incoming
data and the evolving outlook and the balance of risks. The new language points out that we'll
carefully evaluate that incoming data. And, also, I would note that having reduced our policy rate
by 75 basis points since September and 175 basis points since last September, the fed funds rate
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is now within a broad range of estimates of its neutral value, and we are well positioned to wait
to see how the economy evolves.

AI increase, jobs decrease.
will AI buy goods and services tho

[inner quest]

Poor hygiene is our strength

[maiden pivot]

It buys Bitcoin by proxy. It'll use up every last bit of energy on the Grid. Bitcoin is a store of energy.

Checkmate NVIDIA.

[sage haven]

😂

store of energy lol

[maiden pivot]

what does store of value mean?

Energy is the only value that matters.

Energy makes a nation wealthy, energy abundance drops the cost for every single good and service.

Its the beating heart of an economy, its the number 1 contributor to wealth/poverty.

Gold has value because it requires energy to obtain, Bitcoin is the exact same in that sense too.

I mean Dubai became wealthy off leveraging energy efficiently, and basically nothing else.

If the world and economy is a human body, then energy is the beating heart.

[sage haven]

ur confusing energy with monetary value.
my poop more of a store of energy than bitcoin.

[sage haven]

that is not why gold has value lol. stop making things up

my poop this morning takes a lot of amount of energy to get out, can you buy it for $100?

to be a store of energy, the energy need to be recoverable.
how do you recover or reuse the energy stored in bitcoin.
congrats u just failed at physics

if something that need energy to produce is a store of energy, that means my feetpix is a store of energy

first i used energy to shave and trim the nails, second i had to pose, third i needed to take picture, and last i need to pay starlink, electricity and icloud storage.
infinite money hack

i should sell my feetpix to JESS

ok lets talk about physics.
electricity enters the antminer converted to heat lol

even gold is not a store of energy.
how do you use gold for energy source?

social media doesnt need minimum age, it needs minimum knowledge

[sage haven]

tested 3100ish.
eth need to make a move

looks pretty good

[fathom cradle]

gold has been destribed this way for a long time. Its in an economic sense even though the word store doesnt make sense from a phycis stand point

[sage haven]

gold is a store of value, not a store of energy

[fathom cradle]

the reason its also referred to by some is because that value is the energy you put in

[sage haven]

you can say that about value, because value is willingness of buyer to pay the price

but not about energy, because energy is governed by the law of physics, not your willingness

you can say your dog is worth $1 million to you, but the market value is probably $500, and to me it's $0

[fathom cradle]

every gold thats mined is a product of someone decision to put the energy into mining it (is what they would argue)

[sage haven]

they are wrong, thats not the definition of store of energy

[fathom cradle]

not in a physics sense, but economically it seems to be accepted

[sage haven]

yea sure, economically people can say anything. for example, my poop is a store of value

[fathom cradle]

would be a silly way for you to store that value, probs cost more to store it than you will recover later

[sage haven]

you know whats a store of value, kobe's seed

and ohtani's 🧠

[shadow geyser]

Gz on goty Jag

[sage haven]

e33 won 9 awards crazy

[shadow geyser]

Atleast one should have gone to flute guy tbf

[sage haven]

😂

[short flax]

https://tenor.com/view/shitting-poo-pooing-randy-marsh-gif-9658188

[silent moth]

Thanks to my morning dump and Instagram, We too can know what these nerds are talking about.

[sage haven]

nobody blows harder than him

[true tree]

You can make over $500 if you are extremely healthy and have the right microbiome.

[sage haven]

oh i heard about this poop implant. who knows my rec is a gold mine

people be like asking what i do for a living and i reply, i sht on people

[true tree]

At least we have a back up plan to make $$$ if things go really badly in the markets.
Some people are making 6 figures apparently.

[shadow geyser]

If the Game Awards are nerdy am I in the right Discord

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-disgusted-yuck-eww-seriously-gif-15885934

Talking about dumps. @harsh tree we need to just delete the off topic chat. The token chat is off topic as well

[hazy orchid]

Or delete token?

[narrow creek]

Nah

Token chat is therapy…. Sometimes till jag starts talking about dumps 😂

[narrow creek]

Oh so you’re bullish again ?

[silent moth]

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-nerds-king-of-the-nerds-gif-8602742

[sage haven]

for a dead cat bounce yes

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

[quiet thorn]

If we do the marketing right, I believe that 8 dollars is still achievable this year

[narrow creek]

You’re price prediction keeps decreasing for the end of the year

[analog crow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

[quiet thorn]

@arctic vault make me be more honest with my with predictions

[arctic vault]

Broken rose-colored glasses can be useful too. If you wear rose-colored glasses for too long, you might not even notice your life sliding into the trash, my friend.

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o'neal-shaq-67-6-7-gif-5184942973847308913

[coral meteor]

Lol wtf did I just read

The only value in energy terms is in Potential energy. Who cares about the energy you used to get the thing, what matters is what you can get out of it

[sage haven]

this man understand physics

that is the def of stored energy

my work revolves around converting energy from coal or biomass to steam to electricity.
we measure the stored energy in megajoules or kcal per kg. imagine if the client comes with bitcoin lmao

[coral meteor]

A better term for "value" would actually be work, which can or cannot be obtained from energy

Do you guys think that variation in the amount of people in ilv discord is a good enough indication on short term future token price?. (It's been declining since 2021 or something)

[sage haven]

as a measure of interest

[sage haven]

eth retested the breakout, but it has to bounce now. otherwise the abyss.

SPY and Gold so close to ATH while btc is so weak. bear market

[sage haven]

oof westpac increased its rate

[ornate crescent]

I have not looked at in six months, but I think this trend supports your thesis 🤏

[coral meteor]

I need an alarm for when discord population starts growing

If*, big if

[ornate crescent]

IMC and Monarch this is the only Hail Mary I can perceive

[ornate crescent]

Never mind what is so obvious now...zkEVM moves at the speed of TradFi and is as reliable as dynamite. It's the future!

[narrow creek]

First the ship and now this

[sage haven]

[maiden pivot]

I like this thought process but it doesn't factor in existing discord members that have gone dormant.

A much better metric would be a sustained increase in discord activity, especially measured by unique chatters

[coral meteor]

I mean it's better than drawing random lines on charts

[narrow creek]

I pray that everyone in here who lives Sydney is safe. Tragic what happened at Bondi beach.

[coral meteor]

Praying is so useful

[sage haven]

australia used to be safe

[stiff stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-irwin-snake-handle-dangerous-gif-8181800

[narrow creek]

RIP

[opaque scroll]

Bro 6.3… omg

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-link-blink-stare-shock-gif-543590195492850907

[sage haven]

Linkky in shambles

Your best bet is boj hike already priced in

[sage haven]

pfft tiny snakes. my 4yo play with it

[jagged fulcrum]

This is a Galaxy led deal, JPM are providing what Galaxy requested. This isn't JPM launching something on Solana. Galaxy is overweight SOL and is heavy on SOL DAT FORD this is a poor attempt at a marketing push for Solana being an institutional chain. JPM just launched its money market fund on Ethereum ticker MONY.

[sage haven]

imagine if shtcoin maxi is throwing sht on other shtcoin. you will be covered in....

[ornate crescent]

It's no news, the debt markets only move the entire world economy. Team .eth cannot see the forrest for the Rainbows and Unicorns. Nothing to see here.

[sage haven]

they believe in $16k eth lol

[jagged fulcrum]

If you longed or bought ETH on the April sell off you outperformed.

[sage haven]

if you longed or bought ETH on ICO you outperformed.

cant be tom lee.
tom lee is a top buyer.

if you longed or bought SOL on the FTX crash you outperformed.

[ornate crescent]

Long these announcements, or you can ape some Lizard and Monkey JPEGs.

[sage haven]

if you bought NVDA instead of ETH you outperformed

[jagged fulcrum]

Poor "gotcha" JPMorgan picked Ethereum for their own MONY fund, but only launched that product on Solana when servicing Galaxy—because Galaxy is trying to pump massive SOL bags.

[ornate crescent]

concede this point as valid

[sage haven]

if you held BTC instead of ETH you outperformed

if you hold stables instead of ETH when tom lee told you to buy, you outperformed

if you have been holding stables since 2021 peak instead of ETH you outperformed

imagine getting outperformed by fiat

must be sound money

[ornate crescent]

grok prompt (did not double check)...if true, the worst performing semi us tech has outperformed eth since last cycle ATH for ETH. 👀

[sage haven]

very hard to underperform ETH, the world's computer

[ornate crescent]

if you stored your value in ETH the last four years then your "buying power in USD" returned -25% CAGR (assuming 14% trueflation)...you literally lost 1/4 of your buying power annually for four straight years.

ETH hit a $579.8M MC on 11/16/2021. ETH might hold the world record for the worst performing asset of all-time to hit that size marketcap.

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-comment-above-fact-facts-facts-meme-gif-2124243457389189191

[arctic vault]

I think we’ll soon update the all-time low.

[sage haven]

2 months into the bear market
10 more months
i think $1 is a good support

[dusty trout]

Chatgpt knows what's up

[quick heron]

would you buy at 1$

[inner quest]

Weren’t a lot of people glazing the hell out of it like a year ago if not less

[sage haven]

would you?

[quick heron]

of course not

[dusty trout]

Yeah they did and before that it was supposed to be the "Ethereum killer" i guess now is the xrp killer 😂

[sage haven]

Santa rally

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-springer-fight-couple-fight-cat-fight-gif-3506342715201846023

[low ravine]

I don't understand, ILV is totally oversold, why it is still going down? 😄

[narrow creek]

No way lol

[verbal cove]

there hasn't been a reason for it to go up in a long time. On top of that the team has been on holiday for the last month and is roughly going to take two more months. Every year i'm surprised how much they like Christmas

[warm nebula]

tis the season

[hazy orchid]

I dont know who was on holiday for a month, i was out personally for a kid, but no one has really been "on holiday for the last month"

we do get from christmas to new years off though

but again

most people here work all the time anyways

[verbal cove]

all I see is a jpeg every couple of days and any momentum we had from the IPL obliterated with silence about what is to come. It's been over a month since the last leviathan tournament finished

[quick heron]

are you not excited for the great announcements coming in the townhall?

[verbal cove]

I'm so pumped that I need to take downers every 8h

[quick heron]

hyper!

[hallow patio]

is it this come to us in 3 days?

[real gorge]

The coin is sliding towards zero, the staking reward hasn't been paid for a year, I don't know where they're getting the hype from.

[ornate crescent]

no that is likely code for April

[prime canopy]

idk if anyone ever cared for IPL outside of the people making money from it

[ornate crescent]

The intern's HYPETRAIN campaign was off the charts!

[prime canopy]

yeah lmao to the 50 people here who could get exit liquidity

not even making it into that web3 award category shows how little anyone cared as well

[ornate crescent]

when do the click unmute for aaron?

[sage haven]

https://x.com/aethergamesinc/status/2000367086858653969?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Aether Games (@AetherGamesInc)

Aether Games has officially shut down.

We have been trying to keep Aether alive for as long as we could. We went all in on the card game, we tried to adapt and pivot, and we made a real effort to find a sustainable path forward. But we could not make it work.

The simple truth

X · Dec 15, 2025, 12:47 AM

"We still believe in gaming, and we still believe in crypto, but combining them, in our experience, became a recipe for disaster. It added major cost, major complexity, and it increased the attack surface in every possible way."

[sage haven]

crypto is about making money. it has been a good extraction for those involved.