💰〕token

[sage haven]

what kind of cattle do u raise

[true tree]

Just beef cattle no fancy Wagyu here.😂

[cursive basin]

Anyone win big with the cup?

[sage haven]

burry is shorting

[silent moth]

On NVIDIA?!?!?

https://tenor.com/view/balls-dont-fit-balls-jonah-hill-big-balls-bde-gif-17140468222917937231

[sage haven]

nvdia PE is 58
pltr PE is 688

[silent moth]

Yeah I saw that big number. But I couldn’t even say what palantir is until I looked it up. I thought ai related but wasn’t really sure

[azure cliff]

How many times was he right and how many times was he wrong, also how much time does it take on average for his trades to be right?

[sage haven]

u dnt think 688 PE is overvalued?

[azure cliff]

It sounds like a lot, I thought that you were talking about the market in general, not specifically Palantir

[sage haven]

het got puts and calls

scion asset management ytd return is 646% just saying

[steady wadi]

Accumulation zone — "Manipulation" — 👀 volume $ILV

[spiral shadow]

Where did you get that volume?

[steady wadi]

30min chart. CoinEX
volume increasing but the max of the zone is only 157 ILV... so "volume"

[grave plover]

It's a house of cards. Nvidia
are literally loaning out money to companies to then turn around and buy their chips so stock prices on both sides go up. If you take out AI related stuff our gdp didn't even grow a lot of the growth in AI is artificial. Not fa but I'll be shorting the market soon. This is bubble is 17x bigger than the dotcom one and 4x bigger than housing bubble

[steady wadi]

*Tech Era we are *

[sage haven]

im not sure about that numbers tho, because AI actually has earnings vs random websites

[narrow creek]

How much ILV do you own ? Ha and yes the bread is dangerously good.

[fathom cradle]

Cramer just said we have entered “bear market territory.” Is this guy still a bottom signal?

[quick heron]

yes the insiders are clearly buying. what do they know?

[steady wadi]

Staking V3

[brazen void]

What do you need to know? ILV has the best product behind in web3, immense upside potential for price. For me its a no brainer to just keep DCA for it. NFA ofc
Plus, in the current landscape of so many projects dying out, ILV has proven its perseverance and Kieran especially provides confidence that they'll make it no matter what

[steady wadi]

DCA = ?

[brazen void]

Dollar cost averaging. Basically just buying repeatedly to have a good average price. I am buying on a daily basis since 3 months now

[grave plover]

Yes I will say it's different because they still are actually selling chips, however when you are loaning money to the company so they can buy the chips eventually that becomes a problem... If the value of those chips drops the whole thing drops

[quiet thorn]

Now we pump!

[true tree]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-billions-money-cash-plenty-gif-10135114

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-clap-applause-standing-ovation-gif-15648815

[arctic vault]

🚀

[steady wadi]

John Snow

[sage haven]

capitulation soon

[north tartan]

Soon sub 100. Then fullblown bear?

[warm nebula]

wreckoning?

[sage haven]

just tagged 1w 50ema

closing weekly below 50ema will confirm bear

usually bounce after hit it, retest then continue upward, we'll see. but yea time is running out. maybe one last push before bear

imo 10/10 liquidation was the catalyst. any pump after is an exit pump

we saw a fund went under, protocols getting "hacked"

think logically, why would a fund touch crypto after 10/10. which was caused by a cex oracle issue

OG sold $30b over the past month

[steady wadi]

Yep, this is what I envision. One more rebound (the trap) and after the cataclisme 💥

[sage haven]

could be 123k or 130k doesnt matter to me

maybe the bear wont be long tho depends on QE next year

lol they cleared longs

[tawny kiln]

And this is why I am still the King of Token.

[warm nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-9373412100711526196

[narrow creek]

Someone put me down

https://tenor.com/view/nap-time-take-a-nap-sleep-tired-nap-gif-5686770

[stiff stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-frustrated-harry-potter-i-give-up-give-gif-4407991

[narrow creek]

Dang ILV has been very stable during these dips am I wrong?

[gusty light]

It’s down 7.8% on the day?

[analog crow]

Compared to everything else, it's doing alright it seems.

BTC down 6% would normally have a much stronger impact on alts imo

Poor Wilder World man

Their issues from yesterday have been made worse with todays sell off

[narrow creek]

Yes this year it seems like ILV has been maintaining around the $9 range during these past few dips. While others have been bleeding

[narrow creek]

Crypto is mad place to be. 😕

[nova ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-yield-farming-yield-farm-play2earn-gif-22303344

[steady wadi]

Blockchain can tell us

[narrow creek]

lol I did say around $9 range

[steady wadi]

It's not over...

1. Massive move down 1st
2. Crazy run 2026 ? 👀 Time will tell lol

[arctic vault]

This isn’t a reference to your message.
I’m just watching the chart.
I much prefer to refer to this message:
#💰〕token message

[true tree]

This was expected. Not a big deal.

[gusty light]

You’re keeping receipts

[azure cliff]

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

SELL EVERYTHING IT'S SO OVER!!! 😱 😱

[narrow creek]

YOOOO

[warm nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-sad-cry-smile-im-fine-gif-14251203

[arctic vault]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-beaver-rayner-angry-chinese-beaver-gif-11862250907344072811

[azure cliff]

I never understand this GIF, there's no caption 🙁

[arctic vault]

Look into those eyes full of pain.
Feel his emotions. His pain.
And you will understand.

[azure cliff]

He just looks angry 😨

Blah blah 😠

[arctic vault]

Good evening, octopus hunter. May I ask — what exactly happened to them yesterday?

[true tree]

Sell low. Buy high.

[analog crow]

Some sort of liquidity problems wit ha partnership. They tanked a huge amoutn because of it...
They did address it and write a blog up, if you wanan dm me I can send you the link to read into it if you'd like

[cloud marten]

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[analog crow]

Of course, as you know, I won't dm first ❤️

[arctic vault]

Thank you

[sage haven]

Last time we hit the weekly 50ema it took 5 weeks to recover, before that 6 weeks

timing wise btc doesnt have much time left, assuming Q4 is peak. Q4 is already stretching the 4 years cycle from 6th of october. my best scenario is to look for LH like 123k, or a double top slightly higher like 130k

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[narrow creek]

Yeah it’s not looking good

[sage haven]

Comparing liquidity between cycles, this cycle's is weak af

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pacino-al-al-pacino-always-devils-advocate-gif-22765866

[cursive basin]

Do most people think q4 is the peak? That’s the real question

[sage haven]

idk what people think. im just gonna follow my plan

this billionaire is adding longs
0xb317d2bc2d3d2df5fa441b5bae0ab9d8b07283ae

[true tree]

We need the US govt to go back to work. They are sitting on a trillion dollars. The fed should blink over the repo market. I don't think this is the bear yet.
Could be wrong, Hope I'm not.

[sage haven]

One more pump

[silent moth]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-crime-michael-scott-gif-22021373

[sage haven]

Ser why do you have multiple 3- years gap in your resume, the last time you work was in 2022

[warm nebula]

billionaire market maker

[sage haven]

sorry bois we got frontran

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-burger-bad-job-mcdonalds-burger-gif-23766007

normal speed

[west bridge]

I'm leaning towards this is all pre-clarity act clearout by market makers so they can maximise profits

[sage haven]

or just mcdonald trying to get cheap workers

[west bridge]

true true. I think gov shutdown is a cover for the market tbh (market using it as a cover i mean)

[sage haven]

yea im hopium the end of shutdown will be the catalyst for the final push

[arctic vault]

Good day, esteemed trader. Am I correct in understanding that you expect one final spike in prices upward, followed by a prolonged decline lasting several years?

[sage haven]

as long as we dnt close below 1W 50ema
i dnt believe the bear gonna last for several years. just a normal 1 year bear or maybe shorter if they do QE

[arctic vault]

What do you think — can a project whose price has already dropped over 90% survive this bear market? Or would it be more beneficial for them to post something like, “The market isn’t ready yet, but we’ll be back”? ||(Hello, Polemos)||

[arctic vault]

What exactly does the word "SELL" at the top of your chart mean? Do you mean you will be exiting the market when Bitcoin reaches $128,000?

[sage haven]

yes if we can raise more money.
lol for me polemos rugged, idgaf what they say

[sage haven]

around there 130k

[arctic vault]

Do you plan to sell only Bitcoin at that point, or will you also sell smaller altcoins?

[sage haven]

why would i hold anything other than stables into the bear

[arctic vault]

Because, judging by your chart, you expect Bitcoin to rise by over 30% in 33 days.
Why give up that profit? Or is that chart overly optimistic?

[sage haven]

lets hope so

[arctic vault]

There was a trend before: first Bitcoin would rise, then it would move sideways or dip a bit, while money flowed from Bitcoin into altcoins.
What do you think — if Bitcoin reaches $130,000, would it be rational to sell altcoins at that moment, or should one follow the old principle and expect strong altcoin growth?

[sage haven]

alts have been moving with btc this whole cycle

[grave plover]

I just want it to come back because we have millions of workers going on their 3rd paycheck without any income. Food banks across the country are dangerously low on food. Market may be ok, but I don't think it's ever been this disconnected from the actual economy is doing

[sage haven]

These treasury companies will capitulate in the bear

[past scroll]

in which day will we know if we close below 1w50ema? 11th of november?

[sage haven]

any sunday closing below

[arctic vault]

Based on your extensive trading experience, would you make any adjustments to these goals?

[sage haven]

not extensive, i just make things up

[arctic vault]

Sorry, but I didn’t quite understand your point.

[sage haven]

i dnt have extensive trading experience, im just killing time. yes of course i have invalidation this plan

[arctic vault]

Got it. I used to think you were a professional trader.

[sage haven]

im not even a trader

[true tree]

Poverty is a real thing. I too hope people go back to work and can eat. It's hard times for so many right now. Overspending for years, devaluing currency and inflation lead to this. It has been disconnected before as well but a difference now is that there are more people with money in the market than ever before. More than 60% of Americans have money invested in stocks. It isn't just "affects only the millionaires" issue. Due to the other things, people are trying to stay ahead some how.

[opaque scroll]

OMG

Our token got GG'd

[quiet thorn]

Paperhands' ammunition will run out very soon.

[sage haven]

https://x.com/arkham/status/1986197092360962311

Arkham (@arkham)

JUSTIN SUN JUST STAKED OVER $150M OF ETH [ARKHAM INSIGHTS]

Justin Sun just withdrew $154.5M of ETH (45,000 ETH) from AAVE and deposited it to Lido Staking. He currently holds $534M of ETH in his public wallets, even more than he holds in TRX ($519M).

We found this through

X · Nov 5, 2025, 10:21 PM

some hopium for the bois
lets get this final leg

[opaque scroll]

When 5?

[jagged fulcrum]

Tron L2 wen

[errant fable]

After 4/5 years of a gravitational graphic nobody is a paperhand😂

[steady wadi]

👀 smell

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-gif-3425669563334334864

[sage haven]

ETH is a stable coin

[sage haven]

the new treasury companies will capitulate in the bear
https://x.com/lookonchain/status/1986623512673722464

Lookonchain (@lookonchain)

A wallet linked to SharpLink Gaming redeemed 5,284 $ETH($17.52M) and deposited 4,364 $ETH ($14.47M) into #OKX 4 hours ago.

https://t.co/aEOMGzxxOM

X · Nov 7, 2025, 2:35 AM

[gusty light]

Bottom signal to me

[sage haven]

im counting on it

these companies are borrowing against they holdings to buy more.
im sure it's gonna end well in the bear

[gusty light]

Yes

[quick heron]

Wen ilv dat?

[gusty light]

I’d say you need a full gaming experience first

[jagged fulcrum]

Highly doubt sharplink have sold.

[sage haven]

they are sending ETH to a CEX to stake right?
right??

[steady wadi]

Spike coming 🟢

Liquidity is about to move! Look at the coming Volume 👀

[quiet thorn]

Holy we PUMP hard!

[north tartan]

Wtf is happening? Everything is pumping

[sage haven]

alt szn

[north tartan]

Yeah maybe btcd drops like hell now. Lets see

Altszn

[steady wadi]

10-11 nov 👀, open your eyes and your mind!

[sage haven]

just need gov shutdown to end

[grave plover]

I think the Republicans will cave soon. They got crushed in every single election and the shutdown wasn't the main issue (economy was, but I guess that's part of it) but it was I think the 2nd biggest issue in exit pulling

[steady wadi]

Rare

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-gif-3425669563334334864

[gusty light]

Which coin?

[earnest abyss]

ILV

[earnest abyss]

Right now is when paperhand lose and diamondhand win

[quiet thorn]

As I said, the paper hands' ammunition has now run out.

Crazy how you can make a year's average stock return in just one day if you just invest in the right horse

[errant fable]

The last dance

Bull trap for the week

[jagged fulcrum]

Fake news.

[sage haven]

Phew, shareholders rejoice.

[sage haven]

SBET stratergy is to sell shares to buy eth when mnav >1
and to sell ETH to buyback shars when mnav <1.

SBET mnav is at 0.86

[ornate crescent]

Stablecoins are cryptos one proven utility; Ethereum is cryptos biggest tech debt.

[sage haven]

dnt let the ETHtard read this

[sage haven]

he closed btc long and went all in on eth 5x

[steady wadi]

Just have a look at the volume $ILV, accumullation reach a new level since 4-5 days, starting the Nov 4 2025.

We can clearly see some 🧗 on the volume.

[ornate crescent]

Wishing I could do some OTC fuel with this poor soul. I could hook em up!

[steady wadi]

$ILV

Record volume for the coming Nov month on $ILV — it's mean investors are back! 👀 Stacking V3 will hit HARD

Let's hit $31

Real target is $40

[valid hamlet]

What happen is team buying back

[steady wadi]

Nop. Not the revdiv due to #1409449243353026696 message
Would need to look at the data on blockchains to track what's really going on.

[valid hamlet]

Oh i see maybe a whale pump and dump again.

[mint quartz]

Finally I did a good trade 😂 swapped some btc for ilv before the pump

[quasi wyvern]

Any news?

[valid hamlet]

According to ai a 60M$ successfully funding round.

On november 7

[jagged fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-captain-holt-pump-gif-17815558142932253637

[valid hamlet]

Ai say strategic funding

It is already 13 from 9.4

[gusty light]

Isn’t that how much raised in total historically? Including whatever was raised last year.

[valid hamlet]

No idea i just read in binance,

[jagged fulcrum]

Cope. Vanguard bought 222.5m of ETH DATs recently and JPM bought 102m of BMNR

[gusty light]

Yeah pretty sure that’s not right

[valid hamlet]

Well it is binance Ai.

To many shorter in ilv, please team let them all liquidated please hahahahah

[steady wadi]

How relevant is this information knowing illuvium did rise in the past the same amount 60M. It's just like a "reminder"

[valid hamlet]

Maybe a pump and dump bot created it.

[steady wadi]

MM is on $ILV for sure just by looking at the volume... Dear rich people & script....

[errant fable]

It’s clearly a spike with no reason to follow in my opinion

[steady wadi]

...

It'S V3 inside... pretty sure it's look like this with the volume power so the $. No one will do that unless they know more than the average jjon.**

[summer snow]

There is usually a 2-3 month lag. We’ve been sharing the MMO and people are excited. Staking V3 is launching very soon as well.

[steady wadi]

More to come, it's just starting! 🚀 but we might see a hard reset 1st just to test the stop lost. Time will tell 👀 soon

[hazy orchid]

https://x.com/cagyjan1/status/1986785216455995536?s=46&t=OGCg9YYWHNHa8xola00HOQ

cagy.ron | youtube/cagyjan (@cagyjan1)

Incredible that @illuviumio shares their financials often.

The gaming sector needs to go in this direction.

good stuff!

X · Nov 7, 2025, 1:18 PM

see @brittle timber isnt all bad

I told you guys he would come around

[sage haven]

oh yea he's been around

[runic pecan]

What's the tl;dr on staking V3 ?

[verbal cove]

You get 1 energy for each ilv you staked which can be used in the mmo. OG stakers get a multiplier

We get everyone to stake and then kieran buys a small amount of 1million ILV to pamp the price. Next we go to vcs and collect another 100mil of funding. After that we take a bear market holiday

@quiet thorn can you confirm we are on schedule for the mother of all pamps?

[fathom cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/math-zack-galifianakis-thinking-calculating-gif-5120792

[errant fable]

1 trillion of funding

[sage haven]

we gonna buy U.S. and A.

[valid hamlet]

This sound like ultimate to the moon.

[sterile ledge]

We need only players hyped. 100k players every day and yeah ILV will be the master of the games token. Easy not easy

[jagged fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-hamster-gif-4508050

There's a lot to be excited about that's not yet known. Team continues to cook.

[quiet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-illuviumio-ilv-yield-farming-gif-22225026

[quick heron]

Just listned to the new townhall. Packed with information. The road is clear: MMO lite. Kieran is right. MMO is the one of the most sucessful genres. Many have tried latest Amazon studios who pulled the plug on new world which was funded with 200m$. Its the most competitive space there is. But if there is one thing Kieran Warwick has shown: He knows what he is doing.

Especially now with the hurdle of letting the recently hired MMO Director Veterans go. BOOLISH

[quiet thorn]

Oh the new mmo directors are gone?

[true tree]

Tariff dividend announced by Trump $2,000 per person.

[silent moth]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-snape-o-rly-really-bitch-please-gif-5120158

[true tree]

Will see if it actually goes through.

[azure cliff]

OMG YES!

I've never wanted Americans to get free money that much in my life 😂
Get as many free stimulus checks as possible

[grave plover]

hes doing it as a ploy to get the supreme court to not rule his tariffs illegal... if they do then all that money has to be paid back to the companies and countries that ate them. should go back to the citizens as well but the companies will never do that lol

[true tree]

And to try to get/keep the average person's support.

[grave plover]

yeah he needs it. he saw how bad these last elections were and how awful the american public thinks the economy is doing

[true tree]

Could be worse for Americans, they could be Canadians.🇨🇦

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-you-know-nothing-jon-snow-ygritte-gif-14613130

[grave plover]

it could always be worse somewhere else... someone always has it worse off than you. Doesn't make the point any less real that the American public hates his economy policies... like tariffs in general were so stupid. "hey lets tax the american public and make them pay more on everything, then we might give them a dividend back that is less than the increase in prices they had to pay" literally makes no sense

tariffs are in fact illegal to do as the president in case people don't know. That is the job of congress

[true tree]

I do know. I am Canadian.🤣

[true tree]

Are you American?

[limpid talon]

They were let go? Who is running the MMO project then?

[grave plover]

i am

[true tree]

I was reading that 61% of Americans are against it do you think that is accurate? Aren't there a number of laws that give Presidents authority to conduct international trade? Don't tariffs fall in that category?

It's tough as the economy needs to be stimulated without printing money. The US needs to have more industry and stop relying on other countries. More revenue needs to be going in without directly raising taxes. In the case of tariffs at least the foreign producer picks up a good amount of the cost.

Tariffs can suck but I don't know of a better way to fix the mess that has been created.

[true tree]

Rogier and Perry I think.

[grave plover]

and the citizens picks up the bulk of it... tariffs arent inherently bad but you need to pair them with industrial policy. like tariff chinese cars and then make policies that help out american made cars so Americans want to buy them

[grave plover]

presidential authority has gone up dramatically since the iraq war and generally congress and the supreme court let it happen so then they dont have to take the blame when it goes wrong...

[hazy orchid]

Wait I get 2k$?

Lffggg

[true tree]

I thought that was what they were attempting to do.

[grave plover]

No they are literally tariffing everything... Even coffee for instance which we can't even produce here

They literally tariffed an uninhabited island lol 😆

[ornate crescent]

must say the inverse correlation of ILV to BTC is truly noteworthy over the last 2 weeks...the ILV chart looks like a child bumper bowling to an all open frames game...wow!

[grave plover]

He doesn't understand what a trade deficit is. He thinks that any country we have a trade deficit with is a bad thing. No it just means we need more of their stuff... I have a trade deficit with Walmart. Does that mean I'm getting screwed over by them? No it just means I need their products and they don't need my services

[sage haven]

the funny thing about the nationalist is that they dont want imports or illegal immigrants but they also dont want to pay extra or work harder

they also dont want the environmental toxic waste.
but your iphone need rare earth, and to produce rare earth u need to contaminate your groundwater

[grave plover]

i literally just learned too that our military is actually the biggest poluter in the world and not china lol... they are just able to be exempt from the data

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

CPI print lower ✅
Jpow dovish
Trump cancel tariff ✅
Gov shutdown ends ✅

cmon final leg

btc is reacting to good news at the lows, that is a good indication.
im hopium this is a bottoming process and the perfect setup for our exit pump

[coral meteor]

Oh no..

[sage haven]

perry is good tho

[narrow creek]

We do have the biggest military budget in the world. So im not surprised we are the biggest polluter

[narrow creek]

Yes if we can’t get people off the couch America is cooked . Most people here don’t want to work 40+ hours anymore. Insane. I love overtime

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-gif-12654501364171447161

[grave plover]

same. just never really thought about it until it was pointed out

[hazy orchid]

I'm literally on the couch watching the chargers

Am I cooked

[hazy orchid]

I want my cake and eat it too bruh

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/colts-gif-23128688

[hazy orchid]

Lol Danny dimes fan

Taylor was on another level today

[narrow creek]

GO COLTS

[hazy orchid]

Bout time

I stopped
Drafting him years ago

[narrow creek]

Well. I think you work hard. Right rich? Right??

[narrow creek]

I don’t do fantasy. Too much to keep track of. I just want to watch my colts. That’s it

[hazy orchid]

I believe in hard work yes

[hazy orchid]

I tried to quit to just watch rams

But people won't let me

But I have Stafford and puka

So it's good

and defense

Whatever you do in life, do it to your full potential. Otherwise what's the point

[narrow creek]

Yeah still mad the rams beat us

[hazy orchid]

Your full potential might not be @stiff stratus level art but the effort is what mattersn

[fathom cradle]

both the new guys gone now?

[true tree]

Rogier is super creative. Having him involved in making the MMO is smart. Perry has learned a lot over the years. He has a lot more knowledge now. I am sure they learned from Steven and Trevor too.

[coral meteor]

You’d think that with millions in funding, they’d have at least a few people who’ve actually worked on successful MMOs or other games before

[quiet thorn]

I was wondering if Steven and Trevor can adapt to the web3 environment. Now that we continue with familiar people, I believe we can get a pure web3 experience in the MMO lite.

[sage haven]

western countries need new population too because the "baby boomers" are retired. the problem is less people are having kids, so you need immigrants as a workforce and consumers. 70% of the gdp is domestic consumtion, 79 yo grandpa dnt eat two dozens of pancakes

[swift moon]

There's this thing called legal immigration, it's great

[swift moon]

Do we know why Steven is no longer with us? That guy was the best thing we could hope for

[narrow creek]

Agreed… look at New York. RIP

[sage haven]

oof ny

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-prayers-sign-of-the-cross-gif-15118101

[sage haven]

yea u need jesus

[narrow creek]

Don’t we all

[sage haven]

U need jesus mary n joseph

[brittle wind]

@aixbt_agent on twitter just said illuvium is on the slow rug scam list. 3 hours before this post time.

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[swift moon]

Yeah it was a dream of mine to visit it and it was such a disappointment rip

[sage haven]

nyc was gotham so its ok. melbourne was voted 2nd best city to live and now it's gotham

[narrow creek]

Same. Sad

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-602315870619029106

[narrow creek]

Dang Melbourne is worse than New York City!? Wild

[sage haven]

yea crazy, we moved to perth for peace of mind

nobody wants to migrate to this desolate desert lol

[summer snow]

I once knew a guy from Perth

[narrow creek]

RIP

[sage haven]

we got these fckers

[narrow creek]

Spider eggs? Oh heck no

I was told Australia is like Jurassic park. Maybe you should all get out. Heck kangaroos already outnumber you.

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-comedy-family-marv-daniel-stern-gif-3385205

[sage haven]

australia lost the emu war

even the birds are aggresive lol, my kid got pecked by a wader for just walking by

[narrow creek]

How insane is this crap I heard about England

[jagged fulcrum]

Not exactly correct

[brittle flame]

Lol, we'll be out numbered by immigrants soon. About 1, maybe 2 months ago I saw an official figure of around 1500 immigrants coming into our country per day.
Australia is dead, WHO now dictates when we have a 'pandemic' and also hands down the requirements for mandates to handle said pandemic.

Our politicians are the worst predators we have by far.

[verbal cove]

How about f2p immigrants in illuvium?

[sage haven]

Migrate2Earn

[errant fable]

It’s gorgeous to liquidate fake pumpers

it's like sending all in bluffer

[sage haven]

fake what

[azure cliff]

What immigrants?
If they are 150 IQ scientists with clean criminal track record you're in a good spot 😁

[steady wadi]

Right now it's a Hold or Fall moment 👀

[brittle flame]

I'm not the type to aim my hatred at the immigrants. If they're fleeing sh+×holes i don't blame them. I'd be trying to do the exact same thing.

My frustration is at the people making the policies that keep screwing us and removing more privacy and freedom with each policy.
Even when you have so much pushback from the public and they just keep on passing these ridiculous bills.

Even this digital ID bill, guarantee y end of 2026, there'll be many more services forced to make its clients/users use the digital id.

[maiden pivot]

Not yet, give it 3 years, New York has many benefits tho, Melbourne has none of that.

[earnest abyss]

Are you referring to Black or Asian immigrants?

[sage haven]

ok i think we need some moderation

[latent flower]

That person was complaining about immigration to Australia. People dont realise immigration is the duct tap holding together the economy.

And they're skilled migrants and international students, both of whom are a huge net positive.

Interestingly, they never seem to complain about English, NZ, or American immigrants. Just the brown ones - though they're "not racist".

[quiet thorn]

We should focus on how Ilv will be great again, not on immigrants.

[sage haven]

Make Immigration Great Again

[sage haven]

wow that was a great alt szn

[narrow creek]

Thoughts on the MMO yet?

[short flax]

You can have strong borders and maintain due process and compassion for all humans 🙏🏼

MMO is looking spicy! I know a ton of OG players that will flock back when they can enter OW, combat Illuvials and grind loot with friends 🚀

[narrow creek]

Yes agreed, sorry for deleting the message I thought we should move on. If it wasn’t for my parents in Indiana, I’d be rotting somewhere in Honduras. We must support those who need help and want to build countries. Not destroy them.

[short flax]

Agreed mate. Spread love not hate is the way.

But yea back to MMO, it’s looking so juicy. I already enjoyed OW just cos im obsessed with the Illuvials and the art in the regions has been insane from day one. But imagine going into OW with your squad and you have scary Illuvials to combat and complex skill trees to grind 😮‍💨

[narrow creek]

I’m excited about MMO. I want it to be a massive success 🚀

[quiet thorn]

I haven't seen enough yet, but the team is working hard, and now that we continue with familiar developers, I believe we can achieve a pure web3 experience

[shut lagoon]

Don’t wanna get political and shit but USA has bullied the whole world into paying tariffs and now everybody respects you as a country because of Trump. I guess you want immigrants to flood your country and your tax $ spent on gay agenda shit. Just stop complaining ffs

[grave plover]

Lmao such a bad take 😂

[shut lagoon]

If you say so…

[grave plover]

Immigrants flood this country because of our policies abroad and our military industrial complex... You don't like immigrants coming into yours countries? Tell our military to stop destroying indigenous populations

[shut lagoon]

USA has done far more damage to foreign policy way before Trump. A lot more people have died and countries destroyed because of your past leaders. Trump doesn’t like that shit but I have to admit he has started an economical war. Whether his policies make sense or not some of them have worked. You mentioned coffee, there a lot of reasons why the prices have gone so high such as extreme weather in Brazil and Vietnam not just tariffs. In Europe we pay almost the same for a flat white as Americans. And I am an immigrant myself I don’t give a damn about your policies abroad and USA isn’t always the problem so stop victimising yourself

[cerulean ermine]

Friends, I understand this is a serious topic, and it's undoubtedly touched everyone in this world in one way or another. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in now. Let's not beat our chests on a gaming forum. Everyone has their own worldview and opinion, which are unlikely to change with endless discussions. There are people who take these topics to heart. Thank you. 🙏 🤖

[earnest abyss]

Token, token, token

[shut lagoon]

Well said

[north tartan]

Wen blow of top? @sage haven

[grave plover]

Lmao he doesn't like war? He renamed the department of defense to the department of war. He's bombed Iran, Syria, and boats from Venezuela, Trinidad and Colombia murdering innocent fisherman... He loves war because he loves power. Stop kidding yourself and please do some actual research

[grave plover]

And I was talking about tariffs not high prices on coffee... Only an idiot would tariff a product their own country can't produce .. the idea behind a tariff is to the raise the price of said product (generally from another country) so that we are incentivized to buy the homemade product and boost production of that sector... But when you can't produce that product you are only raising prices on your own citizens. This is basic econ why do I have to explain it too you?

[maiden pivot]

Does said country want to sell their coffee to the USA? Is that an important part of their business? Then it becomes a powerful tool for the USA to generate revenue from it.

Sure its another tax on a countries citizens in a major sense, but that doesn't mean its a purely bad thing. Defs should be a lower amount than things like manufacturing for the reasons you outlined though.

[shut lagoon]

Get off CNN buddy

[sage haven]

Zoom in

[grave plover]

lmao are we on the same planet?

[narrow creek]

Dangit…

This is all @maiden pivot fault

[sage haven]

We lost humanity on the day we lost to the emu

[cerulean ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-really-gtfoh-gif-13044903

[grave plover]

but in that scenario who is benefiting? the consumer takes on about 55% of the increased cost, the us company 22 and the foreign country/company only takes on about 18. and i had mentioned earlier tariffs arent inherently bad but need to be paired with industrial policy to the sector for our country

[maiden pivot]

Who's benefiting? The country's government is making more money? That's a theoretical benefit to the people of the USA as a whole (if government was useful)

[sage haven]

guys theres no trade war, the world has lost it to china

[maiden pivot]

The 55% increased cost is effectively the consumer paying a coffee tax to the government, more or less.

[grave plover]

so you just want to tax the citizens more than they already are? i thought most crypto people hated taxes

[maiden pivot]

I am libertarian lol. I am not a taxes loving hippie.

I am just saying what the benefit is. I don't agree with the benefit, just stating a fact that it does have a theoretical and tangible benefit to the government and in theory, its citizens as a whole.

[narrow creek]

Don’t you guys have Komodo dragons there too?

[grave plover]

id disagree on the benefit part but we can agree to disagree there... besides this will most likely be all for not as the supreme court is likely to stike his tariffs down

[maiden pivot]

I think the lack of power any president or government has to make change is more frightening than any tariff. Unchecked power would be too, but the supreme court isn't elected from my understanding, so thats terrifying.

[grave plover]

oh yes they are very terrifying. although they literally have no power, just theorectical power...

[short flax]

You think hippies love taxes? 🤣

[sage haven]

we have one at the zoo

[maiden pivot]

Hahahah, true true.

omg pelosi is retiring lmaoooo

[grave plover]

im excited for that as well lol. would be nice to have term limits and maybe even age limits lol... you know how many congress people that have died in office recently because they are so old and decrepit? its crazy

[sage haven]

People who support import tariffs to ‘protect local industry’ but have never stepped inside a toxic smelter in China are like someone arguing for organic food after touring a chocolate factory. they love the idea, not the fumes.

https://tenor.com/view/kensei-gif-21125136

imports are bad mkay

[narrow creek]

I’m currently mad that McDonald’s shrunk their fish filets again. They are so small I can eat one in 4 bites smh

[grave plover]

shrinkflation is a thing lol

look at bags of chips now too... like literally arent even half full

[sage haven]

Eating big arch with extra sauce

imagine a burger at mcd cost $17

[shut lagoon]

Eu citizens get taxed more than USA citizens for making a lot less. You could argue that we get free healthcare in return. I mean there is so much inequality and lack of resources that it doesn’t really make up for it. Pick up your poison Loyel. You don’t even know what you want

[grave plover]

lol what are you even trying to argue?

[shut lagoon]

I’d argue that you’re an entitled degenerate despite coming from and living in an abundant country

[grave plover]

cool?

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

https://x.com/michaeljburry/status/1987918650104283372?s=20

Cassandra Unchained (@michaeljburry)

Understating depreciation by extending useful life of assets artificially boosts earnings -one of the more common frauds of the modern era.

Massively ramping capex through purchase of Nvidia chips/servers on a 2-3 yr product cycle should not result in the extension of useful

X · Nov 10, 2025, 4:21 PM

https://tenor.com/view/angry-phone-call-mark-baum-steve-carell-the-big-short-shouting-gif-695719498279135300

[earnest abyss]

Exactly, democracy is a joke

[maiden pivot]

We got it! Teamwork makes the dream work

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[quiet thorn]

Today we pump!

[arctic vault]

Not very much so far, my friend.
I hope that one day we’ll see big green numbers there.

[quiet thorn]

Oh my bad

[arctic vault]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-gif-6906939104301495025

[steady wadi]

Testing new low 👀 $ILV

[steady wadi]

Incoming dip 👀 🔴

[arctic vault]

✨

[north tartan]

And we are back 😅

[steady wadi]

Stacking V3 soon: Whales should position, watch volume (accumulation) 👀

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/car-no-door-gif-22961904

[brittle flame]

This isn't about a particular race

[brittle flame]

No, at no point did a select a certain race.
And I clearly stated my angst is towards the politicians making these laws.

I'm also very aware that 'immigration' is a key part of the economy, but when you're using immigration to prop up the housing market and possibly increase voting support, it's clear the economy is in a bit of strife

There's also issues with some immigrants providing false certification of degrees etc, once again our government does very little when it's comes to checking the merit of said degrees.

There is already issues in NSW and QLD with dodgy building certifiers how lack the education they claim to have.

Anyway, how's everyone's ports going?

[sage haven]

Arc raider is a good game

Annoying but good. I love the social interaction of it, with some game theory

fck i met good guys along the way

humanity restored.

[analog crow]

@brittle flame You should be good

[sage haven]

You do know that burry also shutdown scion capital in 2008 after subprime peaked and relaunched in 2013 right?

i mean 26x

430 P/E
dude is in the money

unless ur an up-only guy 😏

[quiet thorn]

26x is nothing wen we start pamp

[sage haven]

btc never had a 50ema crossed 200ema in this cycle.
decision time

[steady wadi]

🔴

[verbal cove]

Damn lines always up or down, pay close attention

[jagged fulcrum]

Yes he has shut up shop and reopened.

[sage haven]

And both shops outperformed

[steady wadi]

Please stay calm and don't panic

[sage haven]

michael burry is currently printing on his nvda and pltr puts, and guy closed down his fund.
gigachad.

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-window-stalker-creepy-let-me-in-gif-16778394

meanwhile the grifter

"let me get more plebs in"

[real atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-short-boom-gif-21062694

[steady wadi]

More like implosion

👀

[north tartan]

What are you doing? Selling? Buying? 🥂

[steady wadi]

Waiting.

[mystic blade]

Crying

[true tree]

Watching

[coral meteor]

Only 1 person I know ever suggested ILV below 9 dollars. Years ago, People laughed..

[quiet thorn]

Good time to dca

[gusty light]

Is this financial advice?

[arctic vault]

49 days left.

[violet knot]

Yes

[jagged fulcrum]

I never mentioned perf I simply linked his letter closing shop without comment Jag.

[gusty light]

What is the bear case?

[azure cliff]

Is $2 possible? 😱

If I recall correctly the seed price was $1

[steady wadi]

If it's dip it should not last long whale are already inplace for that coming dip (my opinion)

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-red-candle-lightsaber-red-candle-light-saber-stock-market-gif-362107613924103922

[short flax]

Rude not to

[steady wadi]

Acceleration dip is coming 👀 🔴

[uncut silo]

Last shake out ?

[real atlas]

Who? KnowKnow?

[north tartan]

Bear market inc. what number will btc reach? 50k?

Ilv under 1$ possible in bear?

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-what-huh-will-smith-i-mean-gif-15916247

[coral meteor]

He got banned, mods will remember him, you can ask them

[grave plover]

New report just came out that 92% of all gdp growth was ai... That is not sustainable

[maiden pivot]

Death crosses often mark bottoms for btc.

[maiden pivot]

$1 for a small amount, $3 for the majority. For non-seed but also a large amount it was $30 ish at balancer.

[azure cliff]

Isn't it a good news considering that AI keeps getting smarter quarter after quarter?

The more GDP is tied to the most exponential technology of all time the more GDP becomes exponential I would assume

[worn adder]

GDP tied to one specific field is bad no matter what. Smarter AI doesn't generally mean huge revolutions or massive profits will follow

[cursive basin]

Andre Jikh just did a great video on this topic if you have time to watch.

In summary the market has already been priced in on a future that may or may not come, making current valuations not reasonable.

Sam Altman response when questioned about pricing in the video is also a good indication of what the guys at the top think, the companies are to big to fail

[grave plover]

It's great... Until it's not. If you have one thing propping up the economy what happens when that slows down? What happens when all the data centers that we need are built? What happens when the chips are no longer needed at this high frequency... Everything drops and it drops incredibly hard because everyone, their mother, and their dead great grandma is over leveraged and in huge amounts of debt

[azure cliff]

As far as I know technological progress including AI progress is hyper exponential, it doesn't slow down but it accelerates, and the acceleration accelerates as well

It's like pressing the acceleration pedal but the more your foot is pressing, the faster you press so it's a double acceleration

[grave plover]

I mean everyone felt the same way about the dotcom boom... It's a great way for grifters to make a bunch of money with shadow companies that don't do shit, steal money, and leave tax payers holding the bag when they can't pay their debts

[azure cliff]

I'm not arguing about the stock market, but about productivity

[grave plover]

Ah then we are talking about different things

But even productivity has diminishing returns

[brittle flame]

Enter, mass unemployment

[brittle flame]

Likely due to Moore's law

[azure cliff]

It was hyper exponential before computers I think but Moore's Law helped a lot
Self recursive improvement will also be a milestone

[worn adder]

yeah economy already turning to shit without AI toploading the economy. When it finally crashes and we are in the same situation it'll be pretty nuts

[grave plover]

i wish crypto would decouple from the market, but now with all the investments i think they are stuck together... that crash will probably ruin most of crypto... although not an absolutely terrible thing as it will get rid of all the shit ones... i guess thats generally the only good thing about a crash lol

[worn adder]

I think we are getting the phase of a huge crash and see what actually is valuable. companies that don't make money wont make it regardless of vision. Companies that are profitable will somewhat make it then obviously blue chips like BTC/SOL/ETH. Then I think after a bit of stabilization vc money will return and there will be projects that build out but crypto is going to go through a shift soon and not look like what it does today.

[worn adder]

AI improving itself is still science fiction. It doesn't really do this and isn't really close to actually getting this done. There's a reason why model collapse sounds as serious as it is lol.

[cursive basin]

Is that like the model deteriorating over time?

[worn adder]

pretty much yeah but focused on training on AI generated data

[grave plover]

yeah like the family guy episode where stewie clones himself and then his clone clones himself and is worse and they keep getting worse as they clone themselves

[azure cliff]

This kind of breakthrough has already been done by another company as well I think

[worn adder]

Technically you can do this, but it leads to model collapse and will quickly come out they are either very hands on and feeding real data or their model will get bad very quickly
this is investor fluff to make people who don't understand AI think they're doing something breakthrough

[azure cliff]

I don't know if they can apply it to everything, in real time to its maximum potential yet however it's not what I would call science fiction

[cursive basin]

So it’s more the models aren’t getting reliable data and over time it gets worse or is it also the algorithms?

[azure cliff]

Recursive self improvement has already been done in specific cases like chess and go where the rules and the reward are 100% clear
You can doubt their honesty but it's a strech to say that it is science fiction imo

[worn adder]

it's getting shitty data and not based on 100% validated data. Most of training is CRUD and validating that it's good data. IF you don't have good data you wont have good AI. @azure cliff that is not training itself on new data. It's already trained on the data and it's being trained on what is the best strategy. Those are completely different things.

[cursive basin]

It seems like one of the biggest challengers right now is ai knowing truth.

Sometimes you give ai a hard task and it may get it right, but if you give it a simple task multiple times it may keep failing. Vise versa you might give a 10 year old a simple task and they will be able to do it because it’s intuitive, but for more challenging tasks, they don’t have the capability to do it yet.

[azure cliff]

Alpha zero got better with its own generated data

[worn adder]

You don't work in AI do you

[azure cliff]

I don't, is that an argument?

[worn adder]

yeah it's a massive problem. It really doesn't know truth and even if you teach it "truth" it still only knows as much as you train it on and still can't reliably declare what truth is outside of its expertise. But worse for AI on your second point. It just 100% will hallucinate if it hasn't been trained on it unless you add guardrails for it to purposely fail if it is outside of certain topics. Even with that it will often hallucinate

[worn adder]

no I just don't feel like arguing with you when you don't understand how training works lol

[cursive basin]

Yea that makes sense, it relates to the previous comment ^.

Ai is currently lacking something at its core that is essential, like intuition or truth

[azure cliff]

Did Alpha zero train on anything else than its own generated data? If so give me sources

[cursive basin]

Ai really is made to be the best shit talker 🤣

[worn adder]

lol it's a really good assistant but only if the user is good at what they do. The quality difference you get when a user that knows what they are doing compared to one that doesn't is day and night. A lot of what I do in my day job is fancy prompt engineering to make it so people who don't know what they are doing can well, do it better without more skil llol

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-crying-madebytats-gif-5573984866610735732

[worn adder]

last thing I'll say on this is it was trained what Go/Chess/Shogi were with the rules for each. That was the training. It optimized the strategy to win but did not train strategy. If you're ignorant on AI it sounds the same, so their marketing team did a great job, but they're completely different. Not saying zero was trash or anything, but there's a reason gemini doesn't self train

[cursive basin]

Dam that must be a very high demand job haha most people including myself won’t prompt correctly. Are you creating a prompt generator to improve user prompts?

[worn adder]

No I build tools to allow developers to develop faster. It's a lot of front end shit + several LLM prompts based on the product that I'm building. Like one that I'm building right now is similar to RAGAS and two LLM basically have a conversation to complete the goal. I can't speak too much to it but it's a lot of optimizing how LLMs operate

[cursive basin]

I try and be as specific as possible when prompting but I’m sure even using different models for different tasks will have a big difference

[worn adder]

be specific and use examples. Also give it a scenario. e.g. pretend you're a lead developer for xyz project and building whatever you want it to build. Write instructions as if you were training a jr dev and provide full code files, do not provide examples unless in comments, when generating.

[azure cliff]

I don't understand what you mean, are you saying that they gave them more than the rules? Because if they only got the rules we can call it self recursive improvement since they trained on their own generated data
When you give a chess board to a human you tell them the rules as well

[cursive basin]

Ah nice is this a side project or your working with a company?

[worn adder]

That’s my day job I also work for a start up for my buddy but I’m under nda for that one. More AI shit

[cursive basin]

Right now we’ve been using cursor a lot for prototyping our Figma design and generating new ideas. Before starting we will give it a boiler plate and what languages and files to use, but not much else. Cursor allows you to connect with Figma and it can ready the elements structure, sometimes it’s great, other times it’s terrible haha

[cursive basin]

Exciting times! When you guys are ready to launch would be cool to check out

[worn adder]

Appreciate it. It’s b2b though so we aren’t launching to the public

[worn adder]

Cursor is great for these exact situations. Sounds like you do it but if you split projects by prototypes you’ll get better results than if you iterate on the same thing

[cursive basin]

Best of luck mate 👍

[cursive basin]

Really? I make saves in GitHub and reload older versions if there are any big changes

It works well if you give it specific tasks, but if you overload it with different screens and prompts it gets pretty messy. Hopefully things improve in the future

[worn adder]

if it's a completely different direction on the prototype then I'd create something totally not attached to your current data otherwise it tries to borrow from it. and yes have it focus on one task at a time. do not do prompts like
fix a
then fix b
then fix c. Isntead that's 3 completely seperate prompts and I like to tell it good job that work is done so it doesn't revisit it unless the next changes intermingle with previous changes

[ornate crescent]

EP1 & ICCP-22 have been awesome for ILV price action! The relative weakness since these passed is truly noteworthy.

[sage haven]

it is what it is

[sage haven]

michael burry:
"ive made my bet, see you in 2 years"

[ornate crescent]

At least we can call you truly a fair actor of the world of pure imagination mate!

[ornate crescent]

In two years time, all sorts of tort might be revealed

[true tree]

Maybe I am delusional but I dont think we stay here long. I still think the money will start flowing. I know we all keep looking at past cycles but crypto is no longer just crypto. It's institutional.

[maiden pivot]

This cycle is no different. Its just the timing of QE is obnoxiously unpredictable. QE and QT literally determine everything.

[true tree]

It should behave more as a risk asset now.

True that the timing of QE and QT determine everything but it is not unpredictable. Watch the repo market when it starts to fail they have to pump money.

What I am saying is we can't just automatically follow old charts. The institutional money has gotten too large.

[tawny kiln]

ETH will never go above 3500 again.

[true tree]

Did you say that before it went over $4500 in August or is this the first time you have thought that?

[tawny kiln]

I gotta say it for it to reverse.

[true tree]

If that is what it takes then please keep saying it.🤣

[sage haven]

how is it unpredictable? the feds have been transparent and forthcoming

bagholders just dont want to hear what they dont like to hear.

[maiden pivot]

I more meant that its hard to predict. The closer it comes to happening, the easier to predict obviously.

But like 3 years ago, no one could say, its coming on X day in 2026 and so on.

[thorn finch]

I just bought so much ILV

Market looks like a trap to me, btcs hitting new aths one more time

[sage haven]

lets hope so

Eth is holding ok

[gusty light]

They won’t trap me

[sage haven]

https://x.com/arkham/status/1989083844436455830?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Arkham (@arkham)

Ethereum’s 2025 ATH was 1.8% higher than its 2021 ATH.

X · Nov 13, 2025, 9:31 PM

ethmaxi need to be studied

[thorn finch]

Retail is getting squeezed rn, then Retail will fomo back in and get rekt

[gusty light]

as i mentioned in the past, no one has a clue what's going on

[quiet thorn]

We have big support at 5 so we are fine

[gusty light]

Can you provide some evidence for your thesis?

[sage haven]

https://x.com/kiantrades/status/1989039980149420520?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

FlowSeeker (@kiantrades)

"mom, how did we get so poor?"
I listened to Michael Saylor and Tom LEE and bought $BMNR and $MSTR

X · Nov 13, 2025, 6:37 PM

https://tenor.com/view/tom-lee-thomas-lee-eth-ethereum-fundstrat-gif-4075505258838460515

[quick heron]

thats why I always make my own investment decisions. No crying in the casino!

[errant fable]

Yes is different, and QE or QT don’t mean everything, you have to study more economy to understand that it depends on the context. For example, after 2008 the FED began a big QE, but the market still went down till the context was more favorable.

[harsh tree]

At least we have eachother

[quick heron]

until the final announcement is made

[sage haven]

[narrow creek]

Bruh chat I think this bull run is over smh not looking good. What’s your thoughts jag?

[brittle flame]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-husky-soon-gif-7801078

[gusty light]

What bull run?

[sage haven]

Yup. even tho we pump after this, it's over for me since we lost 108k

[brittle flame]

Either bounce around this area over the next few days or 82k incoming

[sage haven]

then the treasuries will capitulate

Well saylor said ship is sinking
https://x.com/saylor/status/1989308024817598534?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Michael Saylor (@saylor)

HODL

X · Nov 14, 2025, 12:22 PM

[uncut silo]

Fantastic opportunity for those long cash

[harsh tree]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-dark-dark-grim-serious-uncomfortable-gif-11760193

[violet knot]

@brittle timber which web3 game is shutting down next?

[opaque scroll]

Omg we are getting rekt

[narrow creek]

I need to be put down

https://tenor.com/view/pray-prayers-sign-of-the-cross-gif-15118101

[stiff stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/get-well-get-well-gif-13393267

[gusty light]

its a first world problem sir, you will get through this with positive or negative P&L

[narrow creek]

Just glad I didn’t over allocate. I’ll be fine lol. There some dudes I know that are down like 50-100k or even lost it all. Like bro…. Why

[quiet thorn]

Soon we will rise like the phoenix

[narrow creek]

Sure

[spiral shadow]

wow lol, why even post something like that.

[sage haven]

dude loves pain

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-gif-10576512

[inner quest]

Can we get an Icp skin? Thank you in advance

We need to expand to the juggalo market in q4

[errant fable]

What do you think about V3? And what it should bring?

[steady wadi]

ETH might want to test [2.4k to 2.6k] range

[inner quest]

Alright fellas. Where’s the yacht

[narrow creek]

Burning

Micheal Saylor has abandoned ship

[inner quest]

I put in a resume to be Keiran’s yacht washer but I just got an automated response saying they already filled the position

[narrow creek]

Yeah prolly some immigrant got it over you (kidddingggg)

[inner quest]

Haha ain’t that the truth

[maiden pivot]

Definitely aren't the only determing factor. But I will say that (for crypto). Risk assets don't move unless QT is stopped at a minimum. And QE is active, more favourably.

But they aren't the deciding factor on crypto go up, but they are the minimum requirement

[sage haven]

Btc went from 15k to 126k bro

sol went from $10
pepe went to $10b
Virtual $5b
Wif $5b
i think you mean your risk assets didnt move lol

[maiden pivot]

i'm comparing it to previous alt booms. I mean people would say the stock market is up, but its literally just nvidia 🤣 .

All the markets are concentrated rn, its not risk season.

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[narrow creek]

Someone has faith

[gusty light]

This is how bag holders were made in 2021

[narrow creek]

That is alot of money lol

[gusty light]

Wouldn’t want to know how much people spent at the top to buy those coins! Crazy times

[junior rampart]

Same story 3years ago and now we are on 1 digit

[sage haven]

you mean your gaming bag?
AI had a run, rwa had a run, even gaming had a run

[maiden pivot]

If U are referring to the point in time where ILV hit $150 then I could see a claim as that being a mini alt season.

I personally disagree that we've had an altseason, I mean returning to all time highs, for example with Solana. Doesn't really count as risk on euphoria.

[hazy orchid]

https://x.com/kaiynne/status/1989541062193680554?s=46&t=OGCg9YYWHNHa8xola00HOQ

kain.mega (@kaiynne)

Just had a call with @KieranWarwick and told him I am donating 100k ILV of my 150k to his team. I still believe in what they are building and I’d rather the @illuviumio team is incentivised to get these next releases done than sit on tokens I wasn’t going to sell anyway.

X · Nov 15, 2025, 3:48 AM

Kain too I guess 😉

[sage haven]

if u open alt season index, we had a couple of alt season

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/colts-gif-23128688

[narrow creek]

Have faith lol. We don’t need bitcoin and ETH at ATHs for the ILV token price to take off right? 🤔

[junior rampart]

That's why I'm here even though I bought on top.

Don't worry, I've been holding the token for more than 3years 😅 there's no way out but to wait for breakeven, I'm not even hoping for a profit, just breakeven.

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/yungviral-gif-2486926001446637321

[narrow creek]

I started buying in at $140 then kept dcaing all the way down.

[junior rampart]

Goodluck to us brother.

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/han-solo-force-star-wars-salute-good-luck-gif-5709099555182896439

[steady wadi]

Testing low $7.93 👀

Things are about to get complicated

[inner quest]

Pardon my ignorance, but why will it get complicated?

[steady wadi]

Volatility and the actual condition of the market close to the edge.... just speculation

[arctic vault]

🚀

[warm nebula]

life is complicated 🤷‍♂️

[hazy orchid]

Linky ive always been curious if your use of italics mean anything?

That seems complicated, deciding when and when not to use them

[sage haven]

Inner thoughts

[quiet thorn]

Do we already have enough data to assess whether the IPL and the Arena were successful?

[verbal cove]

define successful

[sterile ledge]

Maybe we will fluctuate between 1 and 3 dollars, it is so disappointing. I remember before, when we had some leak or positive news, ILV made serious gains. For me, the best marketing is if ILV returns to levels above 100 dollars.

[quiet thorn]

Have we gotten a lot of new players? A good number of players at this stage could be 50k

[verbal cove]

the number is so low that the team does not dare to speak about it. We are probably looking at paying 500$ for every new player that we've got through the IPL. A rough estimate of 69% of those new players will leave the game instantly when the rewards are gone. All the money we have been throwing at them has been extracted from the ecosystem almost instant

[azure cliff]

I wouldn't say all the money, Furyz and Fishy who won the IPL 1000s have significantly improved their collections since then
Same for me, most of my collection has been bought using tournament and ranked rewards

[verbal cove]

not sure if these qualify as new players

[azure cliff]

Oh I see my bad, I thought that you were talking about players in general

[gusty light]

And what this shows is an enjoyable immersive somewhat complete game with a good loop is needed

[gusty light]

Sheesh where’d you think of 50k. Is that total historically since 2021?

[quick heron]

thats a bold statement, are you questioning Kierans plans

[quiet thorn]

Well, we can still use the old Greek tactic when it comes to MMOs. It surprised the Trojans so it will surprise retail investors too.

[gusty light]

What’s the tactic?

[quiet thorn]

I haven't been tracking player numbers. It was just a number I would use as a measure of success.

[gusty light]

Is there a way to track them ourselves

[verbal cove]

you're telling me there is a plan?

[quick heron]

of course there has been a plan from the very start, and its being executed

[verbal cove]

like the 50/50 reward split for leviathan and f2p that made me buy illuvials? We're currently sitting at 17K$ rewards for leviathan since then and approaching 250K$+ for f2p. Or maybe selling my produced fuel to play in the overworld that was also great. I think we should pay every mmo playtester 5000$ so they can post on their X about us

[quick heron]

Kain has donated lot of tokens to the project, it can happen the coins are there!

I always say in web3, pay the people and they will come. There is a reason Kieran announced that the launch the biggest airdrop ever in web3

[gusty light]

How does this work btw? I don’t understand the donation. What is the team going to do with them? I am Genuinely stupid here 😅

[quick heron]

I dont know either, but I personally think its the stage kieran was talking about. At one point he said if they dont get funding the founders will sell their tokens to continue the operation, bc they are going to be worthless otherwise. I think this is the first wave of this

They recently let go the recently hired MMO Game Director Veterans, so smooth sailing from here imo

[gusty light]

Ty.. yah it makes sense, there’ll be some token pressure on market no doubt if that happens

[quick heron]

yes, slowly but surely the token will converge to meet its value

[gusty light]

Yeah that can be lower or higher

[quick heron]

exactly, the market decides

Its good times ahead for sure. The focus is the MMO, a notoriously difficult genre to be sucessful in. New World, which had over 200m$ in funding and was backed by amazon, was recently shut down. Its the holy grail, big risk and big reward.
What you need is a strong team with a background of delivering. Illuvium labs has that. They have showed that they can deliver on what they promise

[gusty light]

New world shut down more due to Amazon scaling back their gaming plans I think so it wasn’t necessarily a failure.

Obviously it’s good to have your conviction and reasons for investing (and continuing to invest if you do that). Good luck with it🤞

[quick heron]

well I think a project that is unable to fund itself with the revenue it generates and therefore is being shut down, should be considerd a failure

[quick heron]

I would not invest in ILV at any point tbh

and I am glad I never did!

[fathom cradle]

the feedback from TFT players has been quite good (or even really good), I think TFT is just an extremely hard genre/player base to crack (not really like MMO/shooters ect where players try new games). Its kind of on riot to slack off, and they don't. I've always thought this that the fear isn't if the game can be good, its that it wont matter

[narrow creek]

Don’t it seems like we got a week to determine if we go up or down after a death cross 🤔

[sage haven]

yeah staying below 50ema and BBSB is bad

[fathom cradle]

Was just thinking the only ones I know of taking players from tft was blizzard and dota (both big existing IPs) and even those died. Maybe there is others I don’t know of. MMO have a new one every week that people try but yea most still fail

[gusty light]

Legend of Ymir 🫣

[fathom cradle]

Ravenquest too

But kind of rereleased web2 games

[shadow geyser]

Battlegrounds died? 😮

[shadow geyser]

Plenty of multimillion autobattlers on Steam, they dont make the headlines but still print for their small team or solo devs. Agreed the genre isnt popular enough for multiple behemoths, even though im hearing more and more about the Bazaar, no clue about their numbers though. Also your spot on TFT isnt making mistakes. My theory is for example Marvel Rivals did really well partly due to Overwatch making big mistakes

The platformer graveyard would like to have a word with you

I dont think MMOs are that bad statistically (there are better genres dont get me wrong), they are just always spectacular because of their input cost and therefore grab headlines.

The odds become better when tacking the Lite at the end, quick coop experiences very popular

[shadow geyser]

I think pokemon is being complacent and leaving us a patch of blue ocean. Palworld jumped in with great success carving out its own genre blend. Aniimo and Azur Promilia looking great in that direction. But I still think theres enough interesting twists there

Agreed with your weakness assessnent, our internal vision statement has it addressed in the second line I believe, very top of mind

[teal fiber]

Could you introduce some kind of token buyback mechanism to support the price instead of constantly giving out rewards in tournaments? I put all my money over 30k in ILV at $60 its a f disaster

I barely keep my shit together

[verbal cove]

in general we don't do demand, only supply. Wait till staking v3 and see us pamp

[errant fable]

How

[teal fiber]

should I laugh or cry I don't even know if this is a serious answer

$7.92

[teal fiber]

pump to 15 dollars? seriously stop giving away money in tournaments and start some buybacks ppl will start diying because of this shit

[steady wadi]

It's normal.. to me it's the Hard reset before the real bullish trend.

[gusty light]

Gotta remember it’s possible to lose all money when investing in crypto

[teal fiber]

yeah i dont need your advise

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

hi ser,
what do we buyback the token with

[tawny kiln]

And you guys laughed when I said left translated cycle.

[teal fiber]

where do you take money for tournaments from ? you sell stuff , d1sks, lands, fuel all that you create from air

how many eth is on project wallts ?

you even sell clothing

[sage haven]

its not left translated, 6th of oct was right on schedule

[sage haven]

we give out token

[tawny kiln]

If it was a 4 year cycle. This cycle ain't a 4 year cycle.

[quiet thorn]

I think that all the revenue is currently going to the salary of the 1-2 game developers, so there is nothing left to distribute. Maybe we could share the 5 million safety fund collected from investors?

[sage haven]

it's exactly 152 weeks from bottom

and withing 75-78 weeks from halving

[tawny kiln]

Go look at the picture.
Count. 1,2,3,4
Green, green, green, red.

We are
1, 2, 3,
Green, green, red.

[sage haven]

going beyond october means cycle is broken

[deep grove]

It's 5 year cycle

[gusty light]

It’s whatever cycle means my alt coins go up at the point they hopefully do

[thorn finch]

Not worried at all

[wispy warren]

Lol ILV at 7 dollars, ath 1700 dollars. Will we see glory days again and say 600 dollars ilv?

[thorn finch]

Absolutely, if the game is successful. If we dont see a successful game then Absolutely not.

Big institutional trap happening rn to squeeze out retail, then one last pump before the ultimate bear market. My prediction.

[quiet thorn]

Soon we'll see if our last hope is as good as in Star Wars

[wispy warren]

you mean your prediction the bullmarket ending in 2-3 months? we havent even had an alt season

[jagged fulcrum]

Bessent the benevolent.

[short flax]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-dance-trump-2024-trump-gif-12734161508561409577

[warm nebula]

I think it's foolish to think that making a good game translates to higher token price. Token price is determined by so many other variables beyond a good product... I'd even say a good product is icing on the cake. Meme coins have no product. The market cycles couldn't give a fuck about a product. Blacks swans and hacks laugh at products.

That said... Illuvium is still around despite all the variables that are out of its control, and that's commendable.

[sterile ledge]

It’s easy, Elon Musk should stream, playing Illuvium and then yeah we will get the pump.

[errant fable]

a first step would be to stop the sale of tokens by the “””””””leaders”””””””

[warm nebula]

Can anyone show one web3 game token that is up?

[errant fable]

there are some that aren’t -99.6% from ATH and almost -80% YTD

[earnest abyss]

Enjoy your short drive, i will wait for you in the top

[compact birch]

guys, iidiot question, why does the v3 on base or the change to base is so important and gamechanger? isnt imx good for the game?

[maiden pivot]

game is still IMX. But expanding the chains the ILV token is available on and has incentives from is usually a good thing

[maiden pivot]

nothing is impossible in this space.

[fathom cradle]

Those would be the ones i don't know of than haha. Guess my point was its just very hard despite the positive feedback from tft player

[maiden pivot]

I think this is a good assessment for sure.

I think mistakes is subjective, I hear people complain about new TFT sets constantly.

My personal hot take is TFT porting to mobile without accomodating a mobile experience was a blunder and Illuvium can come in there, by getting matches down to super duper rapid speeds, even if its a separate gamemode.

10 min autobattles would be hype asf. Hard to condense it, so thats the design challenge. But if you could pull it off...

[sage haven]

First confirmation of bear

[narrow creek]

[sage haven]

theres always next cycle

[narrow creek]

What did you see to say first confirmation of bear

[sage haven]

Technically Weekly closing below 50ema, but for me personally it was 108k

psychologically perhaps 100k, all of these important levels were failed to be defended which is bearish af

possible for a bull trap but for me its over

doesnt help when chatgpt is telling retail its a bear market

just look at the PA no long wicks this low where is the buyers lol

i believe $100k was the goal for most OGs

[narrow creek]

Yeah…

[fathom cradle]

grok says bull lol

[limpid talon]

Honeyland getting some love 🐝

[worn adder]

if ILV recovers any MC I'd be surprised. honestly expecting a slow decay until runway is out

[quiet thorn]

If the 5dol support level fails, then it's over.

[sage haven]

whoa not so fast there are 4 more numbers

[brazen void]

70 new ILV added to the bank 🏦 👌

[sage haven]

[sage haven]

still no capitulation candle
weird

Stables dominance looks good for a reversal

[narrow creek]

Up we go huh

[sage haven]

I see shorts closing.

and some spot buying. we want to see coinbase premium

just need volume tho 😂

[arctic vault]

For the first time in a long time, I’m seeing this kind of energy from you.

[quick heron]

At some point, everybody folds

[arctic vault]

When ILV crashed from 1800 to 600, I saw it as a great investment opportunity.
Years have passed since then, and I’m still averaging down my position.
I’ve gotten used to having a red portfolio — it almost doesn’t trigger any emotions in me anymore.

[sage haven]

or change the bar color to green. Problem solved

[arctic vault]

When I started collecting ILV tokens, I was almost a wealthy person.
I had a business and a BTC + XMR portfolio.

Now I’ve become a rather poor person. But I’m not complaining — it’s been a valuable experience. I didn’t become a trader (and never tried to), but I gained a lot of wisdom through this project.

I gained something like a prism. And through this prism, I can now see many things I need to see. It’s like reading between the lines. Some people spread blatant FUD, others are blind fanatics wearing rose-colored glasses. But the truth isn’t black or white. I’m grateful for this experience.

[sage haven]

conviction

[opaque scroll]

That is so sad to hear bro, what will happen to our investment?

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/harold-smile-hide-the-pain-gif-11618321

[spiral shadow]

i hope you get back on your feet. this wisdom you gained will be with you for the rest of your life.

[arctic vault]

Thank you. I hope so too.
What I especially like is the calm state I can maintain while watching the constant updating of historical lows.
Before, this used to cause panic and despair. But now I manage to stay calm as a python. I’ve caught so many “falling knives” that it’s hard to scare me with another drop.

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

[spiral shadow]

im prolly older i got many exp before crypto. i never went in too hard in crypto, and when failed i traded myself out. but i've in the space long enough now to see through what you say.

i just started managing crypto like i do everyother investment. i just ask my self if its cheap or not, in crypto i also ask "will it die or not?" 😂 .

[quiet thorn]

If I remember correctly, the first playable version of the MMO Lite came out towards the end of the year. I wouldn't consider it impossible that around that time we might see a small rise to even $20. At that point, I would consider selling my position or at least halving it if I still owned the tokens.

[arctic vault]

Time will tell.

[earnest abyss]

Every time is same, when all look like lose is the better opportunity for buy. Omg ilv you hurt me

[arctic vault]

Yes, you’re absolutely right. But at the moment it doesn’t look realistic.
Even in the mid-term perspective.
Illuvium can only be saved by a moneybag who wants to invest in an MMO. I don’t see any chances for it to become self-sustaining on its own.

[opaque scroll]

So rip our investment?

[worn adder]

Well like someone else said if they can’t start making money it’ll be the same as any project that goes under. Doesn’t look good if you can’t be profitable after 4 years

[steady wadi]

👀 🔴

[arctic vault]

I won’t start spreading FUD because I’ll get banned.
But at the moment, I see only four real ways to make money:

1. The team can profit by manipulating their own token. It’s immoral, but it’s a real way to earn.
2. Find a naive wealthy investor. Convince them just like landowners, token investors, and Leviathan fans like me were once convinced.
3. Scam more often—legally.
   Promise landowners fuel only from the lands—then deceive them.
   Hire a few spammers saying, “I’ll post pictures every day until ILV reaches around 400.” Then quietly shut down the marketing campaign.
   Talk about a great future for the ILV token, then quietly dump it yourself.
   Tell your brother to sell a lot of ILV tokens, and months later, when everyone has forgotten, he’ll publicly claim he never sold any tokens.

It’s business, nothing personal. Some might see it as immoral, but it’s not. It just shows immaturity in perception.
If the project cared about moral principles, it would have shut down a long time ago. So either be the cow that gets milked, or watch from the sidelines. The show must go on.

[cloud marten]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[arctic vault]

I supported your suggestion, my friend.

[coral meteor]

These have been happening for 5 years now...

[arctic vault]

Yes, this is our reality. All we can do is adapt to it, having a full understanding of the big picture. That’s our advantage over those who will come here after the MMO marketing.
And then their watch will begin.

[coral meteor]

We are not the ones with an advantage, never were, never will

The only advantage would be to be an early investor in a prosperous game. So far nothing

[quick heron]

you underestimate the vision and grit of Kieran Warwick, who keps delivering proving the haters wrong

[worn adder]

Well like I said 4 years and no profit so not delivering much.

[coral meteor]

Haters have been on point what do you mean lol. Token is around 7 bucks, that was the prediction of the king of haters xD

Don't get me wrong I wish they weren't but here we are

[quiet thorn]

Let's hope that MMO Lite is good.

Although Steven's and that other person's departure somehow reminded me of Grant's and Andrew's leaving just before the OW release, so maybe I wouldn't expect too much.

I would be fairly satisfied if the game included at least a piece of the lore that Aaron has been working on for many years, and if the game's NPC characters this time were not just visual appearances.

[steady wadi]

Soon whale be like

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-illuviumio-whale-yield-farm-gif-22293367

Right before stacking V3 — Mind Blow 🧠

[shut lagoon]

It’s Joeover

[quiet thorn]

Jeah luggis will start buy soon

[inner quest]

Not trying to be a jerk, but you don’t think some of that “FUD” had merit? Not everyone who does that is just a big meanie. Many do it as a warning so others don’t make a mistake

[arctic vault]

Those rare moments of honesty are harmful to the project. Many here are hostage to their actions and positions. They should speak less openly like I did today. Otherwise, no new sheep will come to this pasture. And we’ll remain the sheep.
It’s a game of survival.

[coral meteor]

What's your expectation based on the mmo leaks if you don't mind me asking

[jagged fulcrum]

Hope y'all are holding up okay.

[quiet thorn]

In general, my expectations are quite low. So far, I have only seen some battle clips where the illuvial does not react at all to the swinging ranger.

You can only sell a dream once, so let's patiently wait for the finished game to come out and then see if it is worth investing in.

[arctic vault]

I’m increasingly doubtful that you’re a fake account.

[quiet thorn]

What you mean my friend

[arctic vault]

Your account has looked fake for many months.
It seemed like just an account to keep investors’ morale up.
People are herd animals. And if someone repeats 100 times that everything will be great, it plants a seed of hope in the herd. Such methods can work quite well when dealing with a community.
Earlier, I thought Alexa was that kind of account — a costly marketing account. But after years, I’m almost sure Alexa is a real player.
As for your account — either the person behind it decided to improve their skills and be more natural to gain trust, or it’s a real person (which I hope).

[inner quest]

Never a good thing when honesty is harmful.

[arctic vault]

If you carefully study the comments on trailers of popular Web3 games on YouTube, you’ll understand what I mean. Short, one-word phrases saying everything is great. You can easily order this cheaply on freelance platforms. If people do it, it means it works — even if it’s old school.

[inner quest]

Bots are very very common in anything crypto related on YouTube. Hell, even Asmon vids will have bots shilling some new coin

I don’t think dude is a bot though lol

[arctic vault]

If we’re talking about a business project—then yes. The project must survive. The show must go on. Sacrifices make sense for the good of the project.

If we’re talking about personal relationships—it’s entirely individual. I prefer painful truth over pleasant lies.

[quick heron]

you gotta get rid of the baggage to move forward. Yes, the MMO Directors were let go, but this opens up new opporunities. What is conistent is the leadship and that matters. If you wanna make an omlette you gotta break some eggs

[quick heron]

damn thats dark Winnie, thats more like the donkey talks

[arctic vault]

Now I also think it’s a real person.
If they were a hired worker, during such tough times for the market they would try their best to support the players.
But instead, they’re breaking the rose-colored glasses and come across more like a realist.
I’m glad it’s a real person.

[inner quest]

I always just figured he was being optimistic, but joking when he’d say stuff like “ILV AT $200 by this weekend” lmao
That’s not a quote by him, but you get the point

[arctic vault]

There are even more disgusting tactics. Hiring people to spread FUD. For example, I’m 95% sure that the account constantly spreading FUD about Illuvium is just a freelancer. Who it belongs to? No idea. But one thing is clear — it’s not just someone who lost money. The human brain always suppresses negative memories. If they lost money, they would have come to terms with it long ago. But they keep going. So it’s black PR.

Who benefits from this? I don’t know. Maybe competitors creating the illusion of a space-themed game. I don’t think hiring such freelancers costs a lot of money.

[quiet thorn]

I thought my trolling was transparent enough, but it clearly wasn't, so I'll stop it.

[errant fable]

There is No FUD if it’s all reasonable and a consequence by facts

[arctic vault]

Please don’t stop my friend

[errant fable]

But yes pumping bags if you’re shorting is a thing too

Anyway I don’t think NA has visibility to move a cent

[arctic vault]

I’m talking about that account that is entirely dedicated to criticizing Illuvium.
There isn’t a single word of objectivity there — only negativity.
But Illuvium has a lot of great things.
For example: this community has a large percentage of people who aren’t scams and can be trusted. I say this very seriously.

Building a community based on trust, especially in Web3, is a rare thing.

[cloud marten]

DMs are scams

Mods and Team members will never DM you.
Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

Beta access, giveaways, and promotions are not given out via DM. Scams are designed to trick you into installing malicious software to gain access to your wallet or to convince you to enter your seed phrase into a website. Never give your private key (12 to 24-word seed phrase) to anyone.

Support is not provided via DMs

Support is handled publicly, or in threads within the Illuvium Discord. People offering support via DM are scammers.

Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[arctic vault]

May be. Usually, the market is moved by the old guy with the spray tan.

https://tenor.com/view/trump-donald-trump-pharoah-fire-explosion-fire-gif-14818510714477359666

[inner quest]

I honestly don’t think anyone is paying fudders or people being ridiculously positive.

Some are angry for obvious reasons and others just want to believe it will turn around.

[arctic vault]

PR, black PR, and smearing competitors have been around long before Web3 games appeared. I believe it’s an effective tool, and I’m sure people use it.

[errant fable]

Ahahaha this is beautiful

[arctic vault]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-lao-melania-mortal-kombat-gif-13835171983577803493

[coral meteor]

I agree, leaks look quite bad imo

[narrow creek]

And down we go. But we have been going down for awhile now

[sage haven]

Welcome to the bear market

[sage haven]

hope tom lee is ok.
oh wait he sells courses and etfs. hes ok. his investors? Not so much. Grifters gonna grift. GGWP

[maiden pivot]

i cry every night. Send hugs plz

[sage haven]

u mean send token?

[maiden pivot]

nah i like hugs more

[sage haven]

someone big must have blew up selling this much btc

BTC chart is like watching a car wreck in slo-mo. But we are in the car

@jagged fulcrum Who blew up with this much btc?

[maiden pivot]

For better or for worse, I guess we will have an answer for sure if the cycle is over, soon.

[sage haven]

how is it not over

[maiden pivot]

Idk I guess u need a week or 2 for it to settle in either way

[sage haven]

let me guess, because we dnt have all-alts szn and a blow off top yet

[maiden pivot]

nah, BTC still has a week or 2 to get above moving average

1 candle isn't enough to guarantee.

[sage haven]

no it doesnt. you only need one as the break and another candle to confirm

i mean sure, u can wait for a break, a confirmation and a retest

but whos gonna wait for the retest lol
bagholders

we can only pray whoever this is doesnt have much coin left

because right now alts are still holding their pants

actually alts are doing great

https://tenor.com/view/ghosts-gif-15907258359504655800

i mean saylor warned us lol he knows
https://x.com/saylor/status/1989308024817598534?s=46&t=-UbHGHoHpEdU8K3dt_g8mA

Michael Saylor (@saylor)

HODL

X · Nov 14, 2025, 12:22 PM

[earnest abyss]

Good Post 🤣

[sage haven]

yea bulls gonna need to step in

[coral lake]

poor bulls probably got scared after the last liquidation of their longs

[sage haven]

we need to find out who blew up

[jagged fulcrum]

It's purely speculation but the bodies have not floated to the surface yet.

Tom Lee has been vocal on his opinion with it being 1-2 market makers.

[sage haven]

wintermute?

I hope its not something related to binance

[hazy orchid]

https://x.com/Polymarket/status/1990229021364519102?s=20

Polymarket (@Polymarket)

JUST IN: McDonalds sees record surge in job applicants, as crypto market continues free-fall.

X · Nov 17, 2025, 1:22 AM

[sage haven]

Thank jesus for green candles

[sage haven]

imagine getting trolled by the casino

[jagged fulcrum]

Nvidia earnings post Wed Close. A biggy.

[sage haven]

Only jensen can save this chart

please mr jensen, cook the book

[maiden pivot]

Peak.

Can't deny that bear markets produce the best quality memes

[hazy orchid]

bull market back on

strap in

[jagged fulcrum]

You forgot the BIG BEAUTIFUL TAX BILL

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/hodl-crypto-meme-gif-9855303995241047511

[coral lake]

https://tenor.com/view/lambuzando-chupando-dedo-dedo-chupando-batom-gif-12768384

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-gif-8985768279355337139

[west bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-committed-ill-try-do-my-best-in-it-to-win-it-long-haul-gif-14274804

[jagged fulcrum]

When you tell your freinds to get into crypto.

[maiden pivot]

Thats so damn good its a top signal

[cursive basin]

What happens if the dems get in next term

[quick heron]

Goblin town

[narrow creek]

Time to put in my application. Hey free fish filets

[narrow creek]

You scare me

The profile pic 💀

[true tree]

https://tenor.com/view/you-gotta-be-patient-clayton-you-you-need-to-wait-netflix-gif-1633247417968309213

[short flax]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-gif-15568163275622020807

[narrow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[jagged fulcrum]

Market sucks for sure. Somewhat gives some a amount of perspective when you look at other tokens outside of ILV for 2025 performance highs and drawdown %.

[hazy orchid]

Delete dis

[jagged fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-dog-tearing-up-dog-gif-15461765574925226779

[earnest abyss]

Wait brothers

[sage haven]

btc need jesus

[sage haven]

bottom is in or im

[verbal cove]

any lines on a chart to confirm this?

[wide mango]

https://tenor.com/view/illuvium-ilv-illuviumio-yield-farming-yield-farm-gif-22293405

[sage haven]

no, just hope and prayers

buy seriously theres nothing between 91.5k and 73.7k

[verbal cove]

please send me nothing im broke af

[sage haven]

do u still have 2 kidneys?

[sage haven]

What if BTC OGs have sold and now is the phase when alts go a little bit crazy

[uncut silo]

Immense beartrap

How can we go into bear when the liquidity policy will start to be accommodating again

Short term pain, looking for last capitulation candle (which has already happened on some alts)

[sage haven]

havent we capitulated enough ser?

[errant fable]

What if Fed doesn’t cut in December 😬

[sage haven]

Lol blackrock is still selling

[uncut silo]

When you look at O.I - people still trying to capture the dip with leverage

[sage haven]

coinbase premium

[steady wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/up-bye-gif-18483444

[narrow creek]

In other news the senate and house both voted to release the Epstein files. Here we go…

[uncut silo]

Capitulation is close

[thorn finch]

Ilv diamond hands over here

[thorn finch]

Possibly but its just manipulation in the market rn

[sage haven]

Blackrock capitulated

[sage haven]

someone is defending the sell pressure

[grave plover]

I won't hold my breath until I see them. There's a few ways it can get fucked... 1 they recently opened a new investigation into Epstein and you can't release info on the case if there is a pending one going. So they can say "hey we tried to release them but the courts won't let us"... Or they will be incredibly redacted. They have already been told to scrub them so I'm not holding out hope of actually seeing the true info

Bright side is the Epstein estate has a lot of documents(that's where the emails are coming from)so if stuff is scrubbed we might be able to tell

[short flax]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-donald-trump-combing-hair-president-gif-11797201775362363079

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tariffs-trump-trump-chaos-not-gonna-end-well-trump-speech-gif-9375631191405003702

[jagged fulcrum]

I have buy orders at 86k at 2750

[jagged fulcrum]

*NVIDIA SEES 4Q REV. $63.70B TO $66.30B, EST. $61.98B

*NVIDIA 3Q ADJ EPS $1.30

*NVIDIA 3Q REV. $57.01B, EST. $55.19B

*NVIDIA 3Q ADJ GROSS MARGIN 73.6%

[steady wadi]

Expecting a MASSIVE volume and Candle range [Hight — Low range]

[maiden pivot]

my hot take here is we need ISM to lift off, wish I was monitering that component more.

Point is until then alts likely won't move, but BTC could with other factors.

I think printing hits the market mid-end next year as Powell leaves.

As for Illuvium, they need to extend the runway 6+ months if possible for safety.

The beauty is that everything else will be dead or dying. So liquidity will flow straight here.

[azure cliff]

I see the argument that there are too many tokens now so we won't see parabolic moves anymore, but 99%+ of these tokens are dead and the few that are alive keep dying today so it doesn't sound like a compelling argument to me

[maiden pivot]

Not sure if you misunderstood my assessment.

Liquidity will continue to drain out of risk assets. But when it does return, there will be fewer tokens for it to flow too.

[azure cliff]

Yeah I was not disagreeing 🙂

It was worded in a way that could make you think this way but I was actually adding to your point

[maiden pivot]

Ohhh I see what you are saying now. Yeah the casino effect doesn't last forever

[azure cliff]

I wonder if it makes sense to buy super risky assets

I bought some $CHMB because their market cap is insanely low but I have the impression that they have 50+% chance of dying in the coming months

[maiden pivot]

That's the million dollar question.

It might make the most sense to either wait until powell leaves and trump can print. Or to buy very slowly over time, with the full expectation you'd have wait 12+ months for a payoff.

Personally I'm taking money from my very tiny income and slowly going back in. Based on this thesis I am only confident in ILV not going under given their transparency and so I'll probably DCA ILV alone at this stage.

I have a separate DCA for midcaps.

[azure cliff]

I have 2% of their supply now so I'm probably going to stop buying 🤣
I get that if Powell gets replaced by a Trump printer it would be super bullish, but how likely are we to see Powell print before his mandate ends?

I see people talking about a $2k stimulus check and repo stuff

I'm not really up to date but it looks like Americans are already starting to print

[maiden pivot]

I mean its possible, thats the hard part of the bet for sure.

[narrow creek]

So you are saying we won’t see a token do crazy moves cuz of how many other crypto project there are?

[maiden pivot]

he's saying thats what others say. But he disagrees with it, since all those other project have died or are dying

[short flax]

$2k stimmy from tariff revenue is not likely. Trump is saying maybe mid 2026 and he’s a big fat liar lol

[sage haven]

Raoul pal and his ISM

Raoul pal got busted on his global M2 vs btc chart and now fixating on ISM

the only chart you need to see is BTC chart, otherwise you are just fishing for confirmation bias

i wont be surprised if Raoul pal gonna use moon cycle theory when his ISM theory got busted too. Man gotta sell $$$ newsletters

[maiden pivot]

ISM isnt a BTC chart, its an alts chart.

[sage haven]

lol

lets find a chart that can explain why my bags are down bad while others are making money, oh look a non correlated chart that i found on an internet

crypto guru tweet

your bags are down bad because you made the wrong decision, as simple as that

[maiden pivot]

I'm very doubtful too, sounds like midterms chat stuff.

[maiden pivot]

Not correlated?

The ISM is a reflection on the financial health and confidence of the middle and lower class.

These people love investing and buying dumb shit like alts.

It literally couldn't be more correlated to alt performance?

The only question mark is predicting when and if the ISM goes higher, but its really just saying when will regular people have disposable income again, if ever.

[coral lake]

i followed paul tuchman "einstein of wall street" on insta after randomally coming across his recent vid in a doom scroll. His simple breakdown of current events in 2 of his most recents vids was great. Highly recommend sussing him out

[sage haven]

these people do not need to buy alt coins.
they have bought trump, melania, libra, pnut and got dumped on.
why do people need crypto when nvda and pltr went 28x?
or even gold.
this is crypto people's problem that the world need to buy their bags.
the same theory as btc following global M2, people dont need to buy crypto

[fathom cradle]

if global M2 nor ISM have any impact than whats your reasoning on why no eth/sol/alts breaking more than 10-15% above ATH? If the cycle timing and lines on chart are what you go off than arent those also wrong

[maiden pivot]

People don't need to do anything anyone says?

I am just saying that when people get disposable income, they bet on riskier stuff, in all aspects of their lives.

You think everyone who bought DOGE in 2021, was listening to their financial advisor?

[sage haven]

i told you why. the trade is tradfi, not crypto. and def not utility token, the cycle was about btc and memes.
just look at MAG7 and tell me that retail wasnt buying. Look at gold lol. please consider other assets than crypto

[sage haven]

i should have inverted the chart to fit your bias

[fathom cradle]

I didn't say anything about retail. We all just making up stories in retrospect including yourself lol. Was just curious what yours was. And I'm well diversified and barely exposed to alts other than sol (at $30) and eth ($2300ish), de-risked a bit on those but still mostly holding like it sounds you are too

[sage haven]

cycle timing is following the previous two cycles bottom to top of 152 weeks and halving to top of 75-78 weeks

i do believe in one more dcb tho

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-short-steve-carell-speechless-confused-wtf-gif-10066447485860040128

[fathom cradle]

so you are completely out of the market

my guess is you arent

[sage haven]

im not, but mostly majors

[fathom cradle]

so why speak so confidently about precise weeks and than not completely exit

[sage haven]

because ive been trading it?

[fathom cradle]

Still makes you wrong on your long position or atleast not sure why you are acting as though you know all the answers or randomly accuse someone of not being diversified or not looking at other markets lol

maybe you thought you were speaking to somoen else as i kind of jumped in mid conversation and asked you a question

[sage haven]

why are you so angry. calm down. it's just the 4 years cycle theory

[fathom cradle]

literally this reply is angry lol for no reason

[sage haven]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[fathom cradle]

you should diversify more lol

[jagged fulcrum]

If your bags are down it could be worse. Circle back to IPO pricing UGLY.

[sage haven]

im mostly in real estate and private shares

if ur asking about my networth

[manic arrow]

I will hit generational wealth next cycle

[fathom cradle]

Same

[sage haven]

saylor need to break this downtrend right here

[jagged fulcrum]

Toms got about 400m ish to buy ETH, Ethermachine has about 400m I think and SBET 80+. Not sure on Saylor.

[sage haven]

Eth pa wont help

[jagged fulcrum]

Metaplanet is raising 150m for BTC but the market uncertainty around the FED clearly should bring relief. Russell 2k and Equal weight S&P 500 should give some signs of broadening.

My year end target for S&P 500 for 2026 is 7700-8k at the moment.

[sage haven]

is that after ETH hit $16K or before?

[steady wadi]

Today, gravity take off

[narrow creek]

Gotcha

[sage haven]

ok. would like to have a discussion?

which part of my reasoning you dont agree with?

[short flax]

Correct. They’ll do and say whatever they can to hold power through mid terms. Time will tell

[sage haven]

ok. which part doesnt make sense?

which number gives you strong feeling?

[sage haven]

2. I'm sorry but i will not ignore the market condition, liquidity is thin.

3. It looks too complicated for dev time and players learning experience.

4. You need dev work and director to deliver a feature

what is the reward structure?
how much is allocated for this leaderboard?
what are the weighing for each branches?
how many man hours should we spend on this

i vote to shelf this idea until we are in a calmer sea

and i think that is reasonable.

we are a boat in the middle of the sea that is the crypto total market cap.

we barely worth $3T man

video game is about video game. Not the rewards

what just happened

[gusty light]

Where or what was the message, intrigued (can’t see it!)

[narrow creek]

Yeah what was the message lol

[sage haven]

you guys saw it right?

[narrow creek]

Did not

[sage haven]

im going crazy

[narrow creek]

Just got off work and got to this part lol. The message you are responding to was deleted

[narrow creek]

Aren’t we all

[sage haven]

Btc need a pump to start the squeeze

and it will be fireworks

[narrow creek]

You said we were in the bear not that long ago 😒

[sage haven]

idk what you are talking about

[true tree]

In BC, a province in Canada, the Supreme Court decided to give titles and rights of private property to indigenous people because they said it was treaty land. I haven't followed the whole thing very closely as I don't live in that province but it is creating all kinds of legal questions.
When countries become more socialist real estate becomes more risky. Government can easily decide that what you own is not yours any more. Same with traditional investments since bank and investment accounts are so easily seized.

[light hull]

Game over

[quiet thorn]

Looks like bullmarket is over

[spiral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-planet-of-the-apes-bad-apes-uh-oh-oops-gif-19568112

[sage haven]

i better update my resume for mcdonalds

[hazy orchid]

here lemme help

@sage haven new pfp

[noble glacier]

It's noble work

[true tree]

If they don't start pumping liquidity no one will be able to afford "fries with that".

[stiff stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/fear-yoda-starwars-gif-5218812

[true tree]

Nah. No fear. This too shall pass. 🙂
Also, I probably should be healthier and not eat fries anyway. 😂

[steady wadi]

Time to let bot liquidate those too early leveraged people 👀

[sage haven]

oh i hope they will take me back

[earnest abyss]

Nothing is more relaxing than averaging without leverage and watching the bustling anthill.

[sage haven]

btc is so low im getting my wife to buy some

honey get the car, we are selling it for bit coin

[mossy steppe]

Thats an expensive car