🎮〕illuvium-zero

[last tiger]

I know brother

[burnt viper]

It's more like those who reached max quickly, Tier 4 and 3s, flooded the markets, and instead of putting a tax on fuel sellers, cause we have too much fuel going into market, the unmaxed and non fuel sellers got punished lol

[last tiger]

Yeah it's true

[silk parrot]

hoping so, all is needed is better decisions and to think them through

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/scientific-scientific-fact-speech-gif-6232462

[thorny crater]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-mouth-i'm-a-believer-steve-harwell-gif-15521769693966599660

[thorny crater]

this makes the most sense

[silk parrot]

agree

[fiery iris]

Lands were not producing fuel at launch yet fuel was being sold... if you don't understand this then I can't help you anymore than that

[silk parrot]

Someone needs to be punished! 🙂

[last tiger]

I know that in the backstage they are planning the best for everyone

[thorny crater]

but honelsty when doesnt the rulling class not f the poor classes lol

[twilit bough]

Tier 4 were selling for 20eth at land sell. Give them a break. Nobody got more screwed for now

[thorny crater]

1788-1789 french revolution!....i keeed i keed

[flat steeple]

My T1 is dying of thirst in Crimson, send help ⛽️

[twilit bough]

True

[thorny crater]

unless😏

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-revolution-gif-11760395

[silk parrot]

Well fuel production and selling I believe does change the bonus

Maybe the base is not changed...

It is a little funny with how vague they explain the system they don't mention the mechanics behind producing fuel at the start from nothing.

It just further confuses people who think they have a handle on how it all works. Again, intentionally vague imo.

[flat steeple]

So I get 1 fuel every 2 days? Help me understand now

[twilit bough]

Yes . A guide that's explains all is missing. But again that's a beta

[silk parrot]

That is what it should be... now is it working? Who knows...

Anyways, you will see a little bar start to fill on the collect tab when you click the building

[fiery iris]

You get 6 fuel every 12 days

[silk parrot]

That ticks up ( supposedly ) every cycle, when it reaches x amount it will change the number from zero to 1,2, 3.. etc..

[timid sorrel]

So fuel production was reduced by 75% across all land plots and fuel prices are still falling lol.

[sage bough]

In nominal terms yes, but percentage wise anyone who bought is in the same 70-80% loss ballpark regardless of Tier.

Price declines since land sale:

Tier 1 - 73% decline
Tier 2 - 72% decline
Tier 3 - 73% decline
Tier 4 - 80% decline

[silk parrot]

Then you can wait longer or collect and reset the bar

[last tiger]

Yup and the trick part is you can't put a lot of fuel converters now cuz they all need power and they can't be close to each other

[flat steeple]

Just making sure my math is matching correctly

[silk parrot]

ahh cool. Ohh nm I thought this was for a sliding scale on passive generation 🙂 oops

[fiery iris]

This is exactly right... the reason is because this is a demand issue not a supply issue... the supply is infinite

[twilit bough]

It hurts

[silk parrot]

This is what concerns me that they think killing deamand to keep x level of money for the DAO is a good thing.

It should be the exact opposite on launch

Then maybe as the game grows and players love the game and fixes come in, take more for the DAO

[twilit bough]

They reduced supply, not demand

[timid sorrel]

This game is game over. I don’t think even a crypto pump would save it. Neither would a large prize tournament.

[silk parrot]

They reduced demand by pissing off everyone lol. I know... I am one of them. I was gearing up and they put the brakes on my desire to play

[vocal pasture]

A true optimist lol

[undone dagger]

Then give me your Land if you want to complain and leave :)

[twilit bough]

If they piss you off as a land owner this reduce supply too. OW is the demand only for now

[silk parrot]

I like overworld and arena in part because of my land...

[timid sorrel]

Sure you wanna waste time playing sim city to make a few cents per day? Have at it lol.

[twilit bough]

Sell then

[silk parrot]

wrong, It severely affected my desire to play the other 2 parts

[last tiger]

I think they should tax who wants to sell like 30% or 35% or something around that and players that wanna use the fuel for OW a 5% or 10% tax or nothing

Maybe that would keep the balance

[burnt viper]

serious question

[silk parrot]

Just like if they killed arena instead of zero I would have had no desire to play Zero for example

[undone dagger]

...I mean, no joke I will

Should I DM my wallet, orrrrrr

[silk parrot]

If they killed of overworld I would have no desire to play zero or arena... the reason there is a demand for a lot of the game is because of the ecosystem

[twilit bough]

They can't reduce the revenue of the illuvium lab that much. The game survives on that money

[vocal pasture]

True. I feel the same way

[silk parrot]

They need to give us something for siphoning player money like 19 to 1 fuel selling wasnt enough

So far they have given us negative changes

[fiery iris]

If this is the case then the name is quite fitting

[inland shore]

so what are people able to sell fuel at right now? The market prices are not working at all

[sage bough]

I listed 10 hyperion about 14 hours ago.

[silk parrot]

The simple thing that saves the game and stops all this feeding on players are game sinks.

Illuvial burns, equipment burns... you can't have infinite supply of everything and think taking from players to keep your salary is the way

[vocal pasture]

On the bright side…ILV token is micro pumping

[gentle portal]

crazy lands are getting dump and prices going lower. whats happening. i see lands being dump and going lower and people leaving? hopefuly the illuvium team address some major issues with the landowners

[fiery iris]

Look no further than the launch 0 lands were producing fuel and fuel was being sold....

[timid sorrel]

Yea paste it here.

[vocal pasture]

Tax the sellers 50% :p

[silk parrot]

sometimes in crypto I wonder if game devs do these bad changes on purpose... buy up all the land then fix the bad change... rinse and repeat lol.

[gentle portal]

kinda disappointed honestly and contemplating to sell my lands cause i cant even use my lands to fuel my overworld runs

[undone dagger]

Friend request me so I can DM you, I'd rather not paste in public and get swarmed by scamtokens :p

[lethal wyvern]

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[ocean haven]

well with only 5% fuel coming from land, cutting on this end wont do much i guess, but if you want to set your self up for another land sale if palyers base was to grow its very effective

[silk parrot]

I am not selling as I think they have no choice but to fix what they are breaking. However, I am certainly not buying like I had planned.

[timid sorrel]

We aren’t friends. You can paste you wallet here or no land.

[undone dagger]

Eh, heck it, y'miss 100% of the shots you don't take

[fiery iris]

Exactly this...

[sage bough]

Sinks will help. Also players profiting in Overworld off secondary markets would bring in new players.

Not sure if the team has looked into botting at all? Both in Overworld farming and Zero fuel selling. It's been a problem in other games that has driven markets into the ground.

[undone dagger]

Passport wallet I use is 0xfb8deb51e595658d514d2aa5f8465d77af830222
If anyone else just wants to burn to a f2p parasite, now's your chance :v

[tardy falcon]

Fuel is selling within a range of 06 and 19 ish eth... add the proper zeros and decimal. The reason for such a wide range is that some sellers are still listing at floor price. but fuel is getting bought up, bringing the price higher.

[vocal pasture]

No you cannot sell fuel

Even at minimum

You get pending

[tardy falcon]

Seems like a safe selling price is 10 or 11 ish for crypton and 15 ish for solon... Just look at buy orders distributed for current price action and you'll see what you can sell at immediately

[quartz river]

what is your point?

[vocal pasture]

My point is that fuel is unsellable

[tardy falcon]

current price

[inland shore]

this is so dumb

[quartz river]

fuel is selling, youre listing too high

[tardy falcon]

my listing

[inland shore]

what is the point of the bonuses?

[quartz river]

if you dont wanna sell for lower price, wait

[lunar storm]

we cannot tell the price for fuel by owerselfs?

[quartz river]

you can see the price of each transaction in the ledger, the price is says is average price

[tardy falcon]

Fuel is sellable... you need to be aware of current price and sell accordingly or wait till price meets your target

[timid sorrel]

Oh you’re F2P? lol you shouldn’t even have access to this chat.

[quartz river]

facts

[gentle portal]

19-1 for the dao kinda unfair for us land owners thats why i think im just gonna dump my lands and buy ilv tokens instead

then ill just buy fuel off the market

i think thats the way to go now

[vocal pasture]

Let’s see how long

[timber sapphire]

Which lands do you have ser?

[undone dagger]

Nah, this chat is available for f2p because T0 land exists, I know there's a chat specifically for land owners tho

[gentle portal]

right now our lands are kinda useless .

[inland shore]

what is the bonus used for?

[tardy falcon]

'post results

[gentle portal]

i own 1 t3 and 2 t2 lands

[quartz river]

prob a day or 2

[timber sapphire]

Yeah it's #🗻〕land-owner but it's rarely used

[quartz river]

most of us dont have access to that channel

[tardy falcon]

That's one way to go... or do both

[undone dagger]

So, were you gonna send or just sit there and keep complaining :v

[timber sapphire]

Yeah but at least 5k should have acces or can get acces if they wanted

[quartz river]

i think he was trollin u lol

[thorny crater]

took my done for a walk and cam back and they sold

[timber sapphire]

How much for your t2?

[thorny crater]

BUT we need more demand.

[vocal pasture]

It’s selling. Slowly at a crappy price but selling. 20%

[tardy falcon]

sell yet?

[quartz river]

price is going up

[thorny crater]

my questions is the total on there. is that the 5% i get or do i get 5% of the total amount?

[quartz river]

only been 1 day since land nerf, hold your fuel sell later

[tardy falcon]

yep... but that's how you know fuel is selling. Just track market price and sell or wait til price gets closer to your target

[thorny crater]

waas testing agin. i dont sell muhc

until land is maxed 100%

[timber sapphire]

You get what you sell

[undone dagger]

Here's the thing, though.

It costs me nothing to troll and scrape pennies off the floor like I do, and I rarely poke around inside my wallet. All the scam NFTs that might pop up from a public posting of my wallet will just sit and rot until I clean up randomly :)

[lethal wyvern]

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[undone dagger]

Hush, bot

[tardy falcon]

Price is staying within a range of 06 to 19 depending on amount of fuel being sold and demand

[undone dagger]

So either

nothing happens, I get out whar I put in
Or
he actually does it and I run off with free Land

Either way I break even, at least

[tardy falcon]

Orrrrrrr... just list it higher at your target and wait

[silk parrot]

When you say clean up... I think there was or still is a way that if you interact with those scam NFT they send to your wallet you can get hacked.

Best to just ignore them I think. It has been a while since I even paid attention

[lethal wyvern]

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Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

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[tardy falcon]

I've listed all my fuel at high prices and will wait

[thorny crater]

un there is multiplayer and things like raids made. i want fuel low as possible

[vernal yarrow]

New to zero. Why don’t I see both of my land plots in the app? I only am able to work on one

[thorny crater]

the transfer process of land guide

one sec

[spring void]

Does leveling up power station increase nearby efficiency or just allow it to add more power?

[thorny crater]

i think it is in here:
#💬〕general message

[vocal pasture]

Guess it is selling

[thorny crater]

@vernal yarrow

[undone dagger]

In all cases, I've found "Oh it's worthless then just send it to me because it's worthless so you shouldn't care about it" is a great way to shut up the whiners

[thorny crater]

i like that

lol

[tardy falcon]

yep. just be aware of current market price. filter ledger by buy disgributed and fuel type... then you know to sell lower than that and things will move...

[thorny crater]

please take your loss and just give me the land

[undone dagger]

Bingo

[tardy falcon]

but also be mindful that fuel gets bought up now and prices spike

[undone dagger]

See how he's gone silent now that I've pinned him to the wall

[thorny crater]

idk whats true any more lol

[vocal pasture]

Yep…let’s see. I don’t plan on selling much right now, just growing land and hopefully playing ow myself but it’s yet to be seen

[tardy falcon]

just look at ledger.... taht gives u all the data u need

[undone dagger]

I've done as he asked, yet I see no land. Thus, he sulks off into the distance, never to be heard from again for the next few minutes

[thorny crater]

set prices, but land owners can change it? , and then magically the difference is taken care of was a wild arugment today

[vocal pasture]

Com you decipher it?

[stuck vine]

0.00000084 this now price can sell for fuel right the price is 0.0000026 ?? how we can sell in the max when DAO still print so much fuel

[cloud pecan]

this is a pretty solid list. Assuming it gets completed within the next ~3 months.

[vernal yarrow]

Thanks I’ll check it out

[thorny crater]

its a process for sure but not that bad...its need to be easier imo but this is crypto lol

[tardy falcon]

ledger is your friend as a landowner

[vocal pasture]

Oh so only the DAOs “buy order distributed” matter?

The rounded losses and exchanges and whatnot…

[tardy falcon]

I assume the Dao makes the final distribution... so that's all distributed fuel sales

[vocal pasture]

Cool! Got it !

[undone dagger]

@timid sorrel I'm knocking on the glass one more time before I log off, because you're a coward who won't bother to get some constructive complaints together, have no fun playing Sim city for a few cents a day :)

I know I would but you don't have the guts to send your Land to me and walk away :)

[vocal pasture]

Thanks!!

[undone dagger]

Oh yeah and I bring my own popcorn in these cases don't worry

🍿

[stuck vine]

i think DAO need buy all fuel of landowner with 1 price set and sell any price they set for buyer

This will help DAO make money and money correct for landowner

[inland shore]

yeah the current system is crushing the land owners

[vocal pasture]

In the meanwhile…it sold

[thorny crater]

if i was a big investor this chat would be perfect for "Panic Selling"

as of today anyway

[tardy falcon]

nice... and now if you track hyperion and solon the prices are different. you can see you could sell solon for a better price now.

timing the market sells is key for landowners to make profit

[undone dagger]

I'll admit that I kick beehives somewhat intentionally

[vocal pasture]

Im all into crypton for now…converting all the others. Land full of it and land marked

[undone dagger]

I'm wearing a suit so I don't get stung, and sometimes I actually make off with honeycomb so

[pseudo pulsar]

been another Discord everybody starts being cut through like rug pull feeling some are illuvium is real

[tardy falcon]

right on. crypton spikes too like solon, just not as hard... but keep checking price and you will see. not that it matters too much now cuz all our fuel production is nerfed... but still good to learn the tools when things pick up again

[vocal pasture]

Still profit a bit with 180% converters…Hyperion and Solon into crypton

[sage bough]

Yeah I agree this is a better system, maybe with a weekly sell cap per tier that adjusts to Overworld demand, and also allow for a spread in times of volatility.

[vocal pasture]

Unless they are 20-30% more expensive it pays

[thorny crater]

ooo we have a hunt event

[stuck vine]

ye this ez and make correct money DAO want

[tardy falcon]

I should make a video on how to do this shit but im too lazy...

[stuck vine]

this shit cant change if DAO dont hear any think

[tardy falcon]

maybe ill try

first coffee

[inland shore]

It’s very apparent the team regrets doing land and land assets will always be last in priority

[graceful siren]

Team needs to mix it up. Those training gym things are a good start. If we have better things to produce than fuel - less fuel

[stuck vine]

have 1 guy make this to we can follow price of fuel

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nQtyjnkcQBtWkkiJxQLx5saXODA6NF8i8sPmsxbkLBE/edit?gid=2104223220#gid=2104223220

but if the bonus down the price still can go up

pls DAO need to change the bonus when buy fuel

[upper seal]

they made 72m from the sale. that should have been enough to keep them running for years.

[rustic peak]

I cant collect with my hyperion converter on my plot, can anyone help? I have placed loads of power around it and still nothing.
My plot contains no hyperion, hence the converter. I am a noob so any help would be appreciated 🙏

[copper falcon]

Hey guys, if i remove a biodata on a landplot, can it be scanned again on the same plot? I now have 1 biodata on 2 landplots, i don't think i need the duplicate, so i am considering removing it from one plot to not clutter the repository, but not sure, can it be found again (spending time and resources) or is it marked somehow internally as not scannable🤔

[inland shore]

Yeah they mis-used the hell out of it

[tall umbra]

Hello, i have a question. i have 2 solon on illuvium zero game and it doesn't appear on the illuvium overworld game, why?

[copper falcon]

mmm, so what is your experience in gamedev or any other business to speak in such affirmative manner again?🤔

[glacial galleon]

Hello. Sorry if my question is stupid, but I don't understand how to use farm resources in Illuvium Zero in Illuvium Beyond. I can't find where they explain how to do it.

[undone dagger]

You have to transfer it.
To yourself.
By selling it then buying it back.

We all agree it's really dumb

[little moon]

You can't use fuels available in zero in OW yet. They are still working on it. If you want to use it, then you need to sell it on the exchange and buy it back.

[tall umbra]

Ok thank to you guys, i hope it will change

[subtle frost]

sell for 0.37 USD and buy for $1 USD

you lose about 60%

[fiery iris]

^^

[subtle frost]

or you get 60% less

so you sell 100 fuel you only get 40 fuel in return

60% tax

[subtle frost]

nice

[foggy sage]

The best part is now no lands will produce enough fuel to scan and do a stage 2 run very nice

[subtle frost]

man I have to be more efficient with my fuel generation

or I would never be able to go to stage 3 for free

[copper falcon]

arent we all😅

[foggy sage]

Yes you do gotta min max it so hard to get 25% of what was possible

[subtle frost]

do you guys have more then 1 fuel converter?

[foggy sage]

10/10 love it am i right when next fuel nerf?

[subtle frost]

They can be a beech, the reduce your efficiency in other things.

also does increasing the levels of power generation help with efficiency or only the amount of buildings increase efficiency

[subtle frost]

if we get more players will they buff it again?

[copper falcon]

you mean for every fuel type or? as for me, on my T2 lands i have 1 converter if have 1 source, 2 converters if no sources, and 0 conveters if 2 sources of any fuel. idk if its right or not, will see when fully developed

[subtle frost]

yeah I have 2 converters if I have 0 sources

[copper falcon]

for now they are useful for building, if there is a shortage of one fuel or another

[subtle frost]

or even 3 converters

but it is only useful if they are at 150%

so you don't lose

[copper falcon]

when i develop everything, i will think about this kind of optimization, also place for scanners is needed

[subtle frost]

I guess if you have T4 land you can make more of one fuel landmark so you can make more of those converters

I am upgrading my scanner to level 3

Nexus to level 8 <--- that is taking forever

[copper falcon]

whoa, almost fully developed land!🔥

[subtle frost]

for efficiency should I upgrade power?

not really I have a lot of empty spaces

I was just upgrading max my buildings before building others

LOL

probably better to put all power stations immediately

and upgrade as needed

[inland shore]

mmm... so you would believe everything you hear on a basically anonymous platform? makes sense...

[foggy sage]

Ewww

[subtle frost]

empty spaces

[foggy sage]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-3311871195309494726

[subtle frost]

LOL

did you smell something gross?

[winter ivy]

toxic and funny

[foggy sage]

Give me ur land i can play it for you and you pay me 10 bucks a week

[copper falcon]

they give reports of spendings, they are more or less reasonable and show how they spent those millions, idk🤷‍♂️ and i see the result, 3.5 games, it seems very cool!

[burnt viper]

Is this a tier 1? If it is. I'm doing something very wrong

[subtle frost]

no I am just not trying hard enough

[foggy sage]

Show me your land llease

[subtle frost]

That is a Tier 3

land Matey

[copper falcon]

you didnt answer the question tho, do you have any exp in business to speak in such affirmative manner?

[foggy sage]

Im offering my land management services to all. I run two fully max t4s. 10 bucks a week cancel any time. No contract.

[subtle frost]

how do you run the land

[foggy sage]

With my mouse and keyboard

[subtle frost]

send your NFT land to your wallet

LOL

[subtle frost]

NO WAY

[signal dew]

Scanners only go 100% ?

[subtle frost]

I use my brain power

[foggy sage]

And then i run it as long as 10 dollars worth of eth hits my wallet every monday other wise i send it back to owner.

[burnt viper]

My top 2, I'm speeding to tier 9 first

[foggy sage]

Not as gross but still not gud

[subtle frost]

they really need to find another way to rent out land without sending it to another wallet

[inland shore]

You don't get the point do ya? I could tell you i have the experience of the greatest business mind or most savy game dev and it wouldn't matter. It's phucking Discord man. BLUF is land holders are being taken to the woodshed currently. It's greedy as hell and something needs to change

[foggy sage]

I jave no reason to scam as land cost so little i make more money earning 10 bucks a week per land

[lethal wyvern]

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[burnt viper]

Maybe someone need to try external wallet feature on passport for renting

[copper falcon]

ok, so i take it as "no"

[subtle frost]

Ronin network does it well with their land delegation

it is quite easy

[foggy sage]

Sadly we cant atm since we produce to much fuel

[burnt viper]

If you had 10 lands, you earn $100 a week 4 life

[subtle frost]

$100 per week that is a killer

man.. mansion life

[foggy sage]

Exatcly

[subtle frost]

I can retire on $100 a week

[signal dew]

Heres mine

[foggy sage]

The us government will step in and force them to reduce fuel

[subtle frost]

OPEC?

[burnt viper]

Especially in thialand lmao

[subtle frost]

I live on Mars

[foggy sage]

So bad nan roads are so badly placed were you drunk?

[subtle frost]

its totally free to live there

if you can get there and survive there

[burnt viper]

USA DAO comes in and demands 19x to 1 illivum lmao and then nerfs the game lol

[nocturne trail]

Anyone know the max level on land? Been stuck at 201 for a while now.

[burnt viper]

Petrol dollar dominance and Fuel Illivum dominance lmao

[subtle frost]

so curious, if this game gets too big like 10 million users will the government come in and stop it because it is a security

LOL

I am moving away from Earth when all dust settles

Starlink will let me play illuvium on Mars

with ELon

[burnt viper]

I can't function as a man with my wife since I got nerfed by 4x yesterday

Send help pls

[copper falcon]

as for your concern about price of fuel, idk, it was very predictable, low demand, high supply (more and more landowners sell fuels), and the idea to have only high rail. i am not surprised at all and have no problems with this, personally. when the game is popular and millions play and pay (if this happens ofc, i hope so), the price of fuel will be ok.

[foggy sage]

I can fix your lands for a 10 dollar fee 💰 get the most out of your investment 💰

[subtle frost]

can you fix it without me sending you the land

come to my house and fix it

I'll meet you at the nearest star Backs

I'll give you $10 cash

you can fix it for me

I'll also buy you a ice cappuccino

Grande

no serious, I would love for you to fix my land. I just don't want to send my land to someone else's wallet

[copper falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-smoke-smoking-well-maybe-gif-12516944

[foggy sage]

We can set up a discord live chat run remote control if you want and get it done

[thorny crater]

do not do this

scammer

[lethal wyvern]

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[subtle frost]

okay

[thorny crater]

there are no rules in crypto once you send it you lost owner ship. period

[subtle frost]

you are right

of course I won't send

Thanks bro

[foggy sage]

Im not asking him to send im saying discord live and i can talk him through it

[subtle frost]

oh okay

that would be nice

[thorny crater]

i was about to say. lol

but yeah thatll be cool ill go watch lol

[subtle frost]

that would work

[foggy sage]

As long as its cool with @thorny crater

[thorny crater]

sorry sorryy hah just sat down and read bottome up and was like NO lol

seen so much bad PTSD lol

[foggy sage]

@subtle frost show @thorny crater your land it will make him sick

[subtle frost]

dead yet?

There you go.. that's all I have

but it is generating

I'll wait for all my things to finish upgrading

[thorny crater]

nice noce

[subtle frost]

is it nice

[thorny crater]

whats your goal?

[subtle frost]

my goal is to have a singularity scanner

[thorny crater]

for me its BPs

[subtle frost]

and generate Fuel

[thorny crater]

hell yeah

[subtle frost]

a balance

[thorny crater]

fuel for me is 2nd i want them BPs baby

[foggy sage]

Let me get you set up right my boy

[subtle frost]

yeah if you can help me with at least the 2 of my NFT land that would be great

[thorny crater]

I cn show you how i did it and TXKO let me know what you tink. someone else in chat inspired me

[foggy sage]

These are my T4s this my proof that if you want max fuel max efficiency and max path bonus i can do it.

[subtle frost]

DM me bro TXKO

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[subtle frost]

DMs are scammers

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[thorny crater]

t1 starting to get ready for scanner and then the t3 which is still in progress but gave me 3 BPs so far:

already got the atlas drone BP not its time for AXON drone BP

[copper falcon]

blueprints already, or biodata?🤔

[glacial galleon]

Are you un profit with your T4 ?

[foggy sage]

@subtle frost

[foggy sage]

Yes im in inverse profit

[thorny crater]

stage 1 tho

[subtle frost]

I made a little

[thorny crater]

that was my first stage 2 biodata tho lol

[copper falcon]

very cool! still have not got any

[thorny crater]

thats why im so hgappy lol

[vague tide]

How to use blueprint?

[thorny crater]

cant yet

but

you can either sell teh bp itself, or make teh skins that come from it.

[vague tide]

I see someone selling skin on market

[thorny crater]

for a cost, thats coming soon

[subtle frost]

4 to 5 days of selling partial fuel.

[thorny crater]

might be from the testnet phase. i have thouse too

[subtle frost]

LOL

[copper falcon]

those are from blueprints generated during testing a year ago

[thorny crater]

beta are the real ones, the others wre like a thank you for testing

[copper falcon]

only those blueprints are functional now

[vague tide]

Then how to make skin from that blueprint?

[thorny crater]

cant yet

its in the works

[vague tide]

It is selling skin on the market right now

[copper falcon]

idk, never did myself yet. i suppose there are vids on YT about it

[thorny crater]

@vague tide here you go.

two different blue prints

beta and testnet

[vague tide]

No no, skin, it on the market right now, you can check

[undone dagger]

What's funny as hell to me is the fact I posted my wallet in public and I haven't even had any scams airdropped :v

[lethal wyvern]

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[thorny crater]

prolly a fake

[copper falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu7p07G9TT4

[next ivy]

.

[undone dagger]

Bro really said "End sentence punctuation mark"

[untold igloo]

Hello everyone, maybe someone can help me with two things. First, is it even worth upgrading the Singularity Scanner? I don't see any advantage except for the database upgrade. And second, how many blueprints can you create from one Illuvial?

[copper falcon]

every level of the scanner gives you ability to scan illuvials of the same tier. not sure about how many blueprints from one illuvial tho, i suppose 2, for drone and armor, so far🤔

may be there will be skins for cars when there is a racing game

[untold igloo]

With my Lvl one i got allready a Tier2 but for Higher Tiers i need to Upgrade?

[copper falcon]

oh really, you were able to get T2 with level 1 scanner?? thats strange cuz i read here before that scanner of, say, level 3, can scan only 1, 2, and 3 tier illuvials... idk, may be its statistical, and you can scan higher tiers, but with very low prob🤔

or you found a bug

[tall umbra]

hello, i need help. When i select sell fuel and i type my land plot, there is nothing

[untold igloo]

Ah Wait is a Caradulo just Tier1

I dont now why but the picture is not loading

[copper falcon]

yep, Caradulo is T1

[untold igloo]

Ahhhh

Than Ok im just stupid.

😂😂

[copper falcon]

ahah, we all make mistakes

[untold igloo]

Than im Upgrade this shitty Scanner, so when i Upgrade to a stage 2 it doesnt scan for a Tier 1 anymore?

[copper falcon]

no, unfortunately it can still scan for lower tiers as well😅

[copper falcon]

i already spent some fuels on my stage 2 scanner and got only T1s (or 0) on it so far😅

[untold igloo]

Yeah i was like, why shoud i update but now make sense 🤭

[copper falcon]

yeah, we all want T5 skins!

[versed warren]

Does anyone know the % for each level after level 3?

[vague tide]

I have blueprint in my passport but it not show up in OW to craft

[copper falcon]

hey i am not a support or mod, sooo...

[vague tide]

I know

[copper falcon]

as i said before, have not skinned myself yet, so have no own exp how to do it

[vague tide]

Yeah, just asking if you did that already

[copper falcon]

nop, sorry, have not done yet

[vague tide]

Ok, thanks anyway

I got all of 15 blueprint but it not show up in OW for me to craft

[copper falcon]

have you moved them to your Passport btw?

[vague tide]

I did migrate

[copper falcon]

then idk... mods help needed, try asking in https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/814313733287313419

[arctic flower]

Maybe you own a F2P Land and you can't sell any fuel from there.
You need to buy T1, t2, t3, t4 land to sell fuel

[mystic solstice]

I’d love your thoughts on the recent update

[tall umbra]

@arctic flower Could i use fuel from f2p land in the future?

[arctic flower]

I don't think so

You can still earn Airdrop points with your f2p

[foggy sage]

its shit plain and simple lol.

[tall umbra]

how do i know if it is an F2P land?

[rotund mica]

how does it reach 180%?

[little moon]

my first fuel sale (trial) from my t2 land

[tall umbra]

i always have an issue when i try to buy some fuel. And the travel estimator say 0 crypton to stage 1-2-3. I don't understand. In the game it is written 150 for stage 1 for exemple

[copper falcon]

if you had an NFT land which you bought, you would def know if its F2P land or not

[dry otter]

If you haven't bought the land!

[rotund mica]

how does it reach 180% efficience ??

[undone dagger]

If it has one of each basic resource, one of each fuel, and a basic resource landmark, it's a T0

[copper falcon]

T4 can do it, with landmarks

[little moon]

There is an '*' at the beginning of the plot number for a F2P plot

[undone dagger]

Honestly wish there was paid lands with the T0 layout, it's comfy

[last tiger]

Can anyone tell me what's the passive of the fuel converter at max lvl? At 150 %

[undone dagger]

-# I also wish I could harass someone into actually sending me their T1 Land for free but also, how fed up would you have to be to do that

-# "Yeah man here's a $250 jpg of a square with squares on it for free, have fun"

-# my brother in slums how long are you gonna be typing

Hey, you know what I say :)

If it's useless, send it to me, since it's useless you don't care what happens to it :D

wheeze

See this guy gets it

[fiery iris]

Can confirm he has helped me get to where I am now

[fiery iris]

Can get as high as 200% with landmark on element site

[stoic rapids]

how are the fuel prices looking today?

[tardy falcon]

It's not so much about 'today' anymore. each day has intraday swings now. So it depends in any given moment what the current supply vs demand is. Still bouncing in a range between 06 and 20... this is the current moment

aka fuel has stabilized

[stoic rapids]

surprising the swings are so high... like why are landowners listing at 06

[tardy falcon]

I'd guess not all landowners are in this chat and just list at floor. Or some just want immediate sales. Or both.

So to an extent it's a 'semi-free' market

[stoic rapids]

it's weird that buyers can't put in limit orders

[tardy falcon]

I guess... they can in a roundabout way

If a buyer is aware of current market price they can calculate the bonus they receive and just buy a fraction

[fiery iris]

It's worse than what we thought bois both stage 6 on tier 3 look how much less crypton it makes so looks like the goal was to diminish your ability to play overworld with fuel from ILVZ and not at all about supply as supply is infinite via dao

[tardy falcon]

that's collateral damage... the goal was to stabilize freefalling fuel prices

they succeeded

but landowners get railed

[fiery iris]

If that's true why so much less production on crypton???

[tardy falcon]

tbh they prob fucked up and need to fix that. they had to make a ton of balance changes in a short period of time... they prob typed in the wrong number. I don't think it was intentional.

[fiery iris]

Seems intentional as it happens to be the fuel necessary for travel

[tardy falcon]

Yah idk... just ping perry and ask

[fiery iris]

Wait around to get some vague answer about markets the infinite supply the dao has and demand which we don't have etc etc no thanks I have work to do

[tardy falcon]

cool

[inland shore]

Exactly

[stoic rapids]

lol I wonder if they saw crypton supply was higher than other fuels because people had built extra crypton extracters since price was higher, and nerfed it deliberately?

I hope not

[fiery iris]

Could be exactly this...

[civic girder]

did anyone find anythign with the Lab research ?!

[tardy falcon]

could be an error on your plot... or your crypton is actually level 5. my T3 crypton and Hype level 4 converters are both showing the same passive

[fiery iris]

U mean like dis?

[civic girder]

i mean armore skin or a drone skin

[fiery iris]

Oh so more like dis?

[civic girder]

nice ya was asking

coz i searched liek 5 times

[stoic rapids]

takes forever, really does seem to be 5% chance

[civic girder]

got nothing

[stoic rapids]

you get about 1 blueprint per 20 scans

[fiery iris]

Lmk when you reach stage 6

[tardy falcon]

kk

[fiery iris]

This^^

[tardy falcon]

yep i hear yah... but for now things are selling between a stable range

[fiery iris]

One thing is certain without demand their goal will not be met regardless of how much they diminish our fuel production

[tardy falcon]

There is demand... demand is a dynamic thing. Currently the demand is matching supply until it doesn't.

I'm not into better or worse... I'm just observing

People like to make claims that price is going lower... I like to see what is now

[copper falcon]

5% chance is very low, it is 50% chance that you get nothing after 13 scans!

[stoic rapids]

demand was rising last I heard

[tardy falcon]

let's hope they focus on increasing demand rather than decreasing supply

[stoic rapids]

well nerfs to fuel production don't actually hurt our income, assuming they're steering the price in a direction that brings in more net revenue

at least with current setup where you have to sell to market then buy to market to use fuel yourself

[copper falcon]

this was not a nerf, it was just a 4x denomination.

[fiery iris]

Demand is not sufficient for what their goal is...with infinite supply it won't be anytime soon

[tardy falcon]

right. and is the reason for the drastic supply reduction. because it stops the bleeding and buys them time

[copper falcon]

yep, haha, but in reverse😅

[glad mango]

What level is top for each building

[copper falcon]

actually even not in reverse, just 4x times slower turning of the handle

[fiery iris]

6

For extractors

[stoic rapids]

the communication on this patch was a colossal failure but the actual action made landowners more money

than letting price spiral down and down

[little moon]

9 for nexus and engg. workshop

[copper falcon]

its a reverse split in the market terms😉 but DAO has got 4x revsplit as well

[stoic rapids]

obviously what we all want is for them to spend money on game development / marketing to improve demand

[burnt viper]

YES YES HIT THE UNPRODUCTIVE TOKEN HOLDERS 🙂

[atomic cove]

big hopium there... I wanna see what you're going to say if prices keep falling lower 🙃

[stoic rapids]

next time they change fuel production I hope they include some econ 101 diagrams

[copper falcon]

rob the rich, start a revolution!

[burnt viper]

Landowners who maxed out t3 and t4, made money for a few day before back to death spirals lmao

[stoic rapids]

I've been more critical than anyone about their need to improve the game / market to get larger playerbase and more $ coming in

[fiery iris]

Just how exactly does anyone make more money except for the DAO in the current set up?

[atomic cove]

we're still very far from getting a decent player base.

[tardy falcon]

On another positive note... some of my solon is selling at 20

[burnt viper]

Let's see more land nerfs and more quick pump profits for t4 and t3 maxed lands

Anyways goodnight guys from uk hehe

[tardy falcon]

If u list higher and wait demand will eat up supply at different times of the day

[near tusk]

this confuses me as i have solon listed at 19, but u have filled out order more than me lol

[tardy falcon]

when did u list?

[copper falcon]

you know what, i see those screenshots of blueprints, and it seems like there is a blueprint for every suit, or at least for several of them, so seems like its not 2 blueprints per illuvial, its much more!🤯

[near tusk]

maybe like 2 hours ago or more

[tardy falcon]

hmm idk... I listed about around then also... could be I listed before you and then price came down

[near tusk]

very strange but fun

[tardy falcon]

now it's back to 6.1 XD

[near tusk]

the 5??

the %??

[tardy falcon]

the solon price

[near tusk]

goddamn i just dont understand why they undercutting by that much

[tardy falcon]

I think some sellers are not on here and just still think to sell at floor

they see this and think that's what to list at in order to sell

[near tusk]

i guess thats why the team is quickly working on an orderbook

[tardy falcon]

yah ig... I'm buying when it's at floor and selling at top XD

[next juniper]

An order book is desperately needed. People are not aware of what price they should list their fuel at. This is why the fuel price keeps jumping around. Some are still listing very cheap.

[tardy falcon]

yep... I'm loading up for gameplay

[solar swallow]

Any biodata flexers? 🙂

[next juniper]

How many scanners do you have?😳

[copper falcon]

as i understand, the system works this way: for every unit of fuel which a landowner puts on sale, the dao autoadds 19 units. so if they cut the production of fuel by landowners by 4x, it means land owners will put 4x less fuel to sales, and the DAO will thus put 4x less of its fuel...

[tardy falcon]

I got a late start by two weeks tbf 😉

[copper falcon]

sure, why should 95% change? as a staker of ILV i am strictly agains that

it was nerfed, by 4x, the same as landowners

[stoic rapids]

this is the graph that should have been included in the patch notes. as landowners we get a flat 5% of the total revenue from fuel sales because of the 1:19 fuel printing ratio. in this chart, total revenue is the area of the two labelled rectangles. you can see that reducing the supply means revenue for both DAO and landowners is higher, assuming the demand curve assumptions here are accurate

[copper falcon]

nerfed in terms of units of fuel put on the market

[solar swallow]

Not enough 😀

5

[stoic rapids]

landowners and DAO are both now printing 4x less fuel but selling it at a much higher price

[gritty wave]

asked here but didn't see an answer: what is the benefit of upgrading scanners?????

[copper falcon]

you can scan for higher tier illuvials

[gritty wave]

that is what I was guessing..thanks

only way to get higher bps for them?

like stages or just the tiers?

[rigid aspen]

Yeah, they shooting themselves in the foot lol

[stoic rapids]

does reducing supply fix the underlying problem? no, we need much larger playerbase and revenue to pay for continued game development and everything else. but it's better than letting prices go to 0 in terms of revenue (ignoring more complicated pro or con factors like potential playerbase increase from effectively going F2P or the devaluation of illuvials and gear)

[tardy falcon]

can find higher tier illuvial biodata

[copper falcon]

tiers. lever 1 scanner scans only for tier 1 illuvials, of all 3 stages, level 2 - for 1 and 2 tier illuvials of all stages, etc.

[atomic zealot]

I just paid for a stage 3 run...it hurt I don't think I'll do that again

[copper falcon]

haven't seen myself this yet... may be its statistical, and you have a small chance to scan a higher tier illuvial, idk, only devs know for sure

[stoic rapids]

yeah there's an argument to be made that current prices are too high

[rigid aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/rioting-south-park-smashing-breaking-destroying-gif-20320950

[copper falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-revolution-has-begun-area51-ready-to-attack-gif-15323378

[lyric hamlet]

I haven't sold any fuel yet. Just got 20 cryptons. If I go an try to sell, will I have to pay a fee?

[tardy falcon]

pro tip... if you have silv2 or can swap it without too much loss... then you can use that as an equivalent to ilv value to buy fuel... time it so you get fuel at floor price... and your runs are effectively 80% cheaper or more XD

[atomic cove]

and this is exactly why prices won't go up 4x and will most likely keep falling. But hey who am I to break you dreams.

[stoic rapids]

I have talked so much trash about this game in this channel lol

the game needs like 50x more revenue, probably more

to be sustainable

[copper falcon]

you need to find moni to spend in illuvium, cus another guy will find this dark holo ramphyre and sell it for 1M dollas in 3 years from now!

[stoic rapids]

all I'm saying is that adjusting fuel production to stabilize supply is in everyone's best interest, as long as in the long term the devs also BUFF fuel production when demand rises rather than use the opportunity to sell more land

landowners get 5% of revenue. do you want 5% of 10 ETH or 2 ETH?

[atomic cove]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-do-math-doc-calculate-math-i-cant-doctor-gif-15733310

[atomic zealot]

I had a bit which I used up when prices were high in the beginning but now it's my actual eth so it hurts plus it's a Grindy game so you need a lot runs to find catch level up etc.. it's not sustainable for me

[stoic rapids]

we get absolutely boned when they do another land sale, because then our tranche of land is getting 2.5% of revenue instead of 5%

but lowering production so we're selling 1 unit of fuel for $10 vs selling 4 units of fuel for $1 each is good for us

[atomic zealot]

Lol yeah idk , got a family and other life goals

[copper falcon]

i hope they will do it only when the demand is so high that the price is constantly hitting the high rail

[stoic rapids]

I hope they don't do it until well after we've all made our money back on initial land prices

[copper falcon]

hehe, yeah...

[stoic rapids]

yeah, because prices were in free fall and you physically couldn't sell your fuel 80% of the time you listed it

prices were going to approach 0 in another week

[atomic cove]

I keep saying this but there's too much hopium in here...
unfortunately prices will keep falling

[atomic zealot]

I think everyone needs to recognized that regardless you won't make money because there's no demand and theres no demand for several reasons but yeah

[copper falcon]

it was basically free runs for the gamers, which really sucks cus they must pay, or for what all this exists?

[atomic cove]

the demand just needs to be equal to the supply. The problem is not only the demand. Is a 2 way problem. You have waaay too much supply.

[copper falcon]

they already are growing

[copper falcon]

and this was the reason of this 4x cut

[stoic rapids]

that's very possible

[lyric hamlet]

Do you think the game flopped?

[sharp elk]

The share of the pie hasn’t changed.

But the pie is going to keep shrinking if players spend less money in Overworld.

[lyric hamlet]

Like the DAO only has like 1k players

[stoic rapids]

yeah I think you can make an argument that lower prices would help boost the playerbase and be good for the game overall. but presumably devs looked at data and didn't see demand growing rapidly as prices kept falling

[quick siren]

😬

[low river]

OW? Yeah, the gameplay loop is boring, they need to improve it

[stoic rapids]

I don't necessarily agree with the price targets the devs have set for various tier runs

[sharp elk]

The game isn’t fully complete yet.

It’s still missing ranked leviathan arena.
The economic model won’t work until that piece is live.

[quick siren]

I honestly think that making 4 games was a terrible idea. It makes the whole thing seem unfocused.

It's better to focus on 1 game and only 1 alone

[copper falcon]

yep, ppl have so many time in the day they can spend on illuvium, so they did the same amount of runs, but for much less money

[lyric hamlet]

Im just thinking. The dev team is pretty quiet

They probably on survival mode

[atomic cove]

the prices are falling hard also due to a horrible fuel exchange UI. The lower the prices the better to attract players.

[copper falcon]

they are on vacation😅

[stoic rapids]

the launch definitely flopped - they wasted so much money on airdrop to get a tiny amount of players - but it's still recoverable if they keep improving game and market it properly

[atomic cove]

the problem was they release 3 inter connected games without the 3 games being fully ready

[stoic rapids]

OW needs to be way more fun (fighting illuvials, multiplayer) and they need to incentivize people to play leviathan.

[lyric hamlet]

I saw the runway month for June and it was 15 months based on the current assets. July I bet it's way smaller

Eventually servers will turn off

They will say it was a great project with a great vision

Unfortunately most people didn't see it

[timber sapphire]

4?

[atomic zealot]

Depends what you mean zero? 1000% it's a dumpster fire. Ow? Terrible but can be improved in a few years, the auto battler is decent. That's my opinion

[quick siren]

Zero, Arena, OverWorld and Beyond

That's 4.

It seem very unfocused to try and release so many different games rather than focusing on 1.

To me, it seems like a terrible idea.

[atomic cove]

Beyond is always the black sheep 😅

[atomic zealot]

I think they could've done it if they didn't focus too much on how things "looked" they put too much emphasis on the art rather than the actual gameplay

[lyric hamlet]

I can see coffezilla in the future talking about us getting lured into a dreamland

[copper falcon]

they call it 0.5 game

[atomic cove]

It's the only game with a leaderboard so 🤣
at least it pays me 0.5 ILV weekly

[quick siren]

I dont think Illuvium is a scam. Not anywhere near a scam. But it is terribly mismanaged and incompetently developed.

[lethal wyvern]

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[atomic cove]

well it does work with a DAO so who is to blame here?

[lyric hamlet]

Im here thinking if it's even worth to build these lands up

[copper falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/payed-you-guys-are-getting-gif-10239718596123763440

[lyric hamlet]

Rather sell them for scraps than to lose all of it

[atomic zealot]

Honest opinion, using that money on ow is more profitable than zero

[quick siren]

DAO as a concept is fundamentally flawed.

[copper falcon]

yeah, also good for stakers!🤑

[timber sapphire]

I think I regret investing in that one the most, only way to make profit was leaderboard. Still no rewards for separate albums

[atomic cove]

yes it's a very broad term to call it a game

[atomic zealot]

Shoot, even using that money to stake is better than zero.

[copper falcon]

the best game!🤑

[copper falcon]

yeah, they get 95%!!

[atomic cove]

is it? I mean do we rather this was like the greedy bastards of blizzard?

the DAO actually gives us a voice

[quick siren]

Blizzard? Greedy? lmfao. What the fuck are you smoking.

[atomic cove]

and things happen not merely for profitz

[atomic cove]

whuuut?

[quick siren]

"the DAO actually gives us a voice for money"

[lyric hamlet]

Have anyone stepped in front of a camera and explained how does this fuel output is a good thing?

[quick siren]

Diablo 4 is playable for free on Xbox GamePass. The entire game. You don't have to spend a single cent on it to get the full gameplay experience. I cannot tell you how absolutely wrong you are. Next time you claim something, please research it. You look very very stupid if you say something that can be easily refuted by a single google search

[atomic cove]

bruh Diablo 4 has tons of monetization methods. I don't care if you find me stupid. They ruin games for money.

[quick siren]

The monetization is cosmetic only mostly.

Again

Stop acting stupid.

And you dont have to spend any money on any of the monetisation to enjoy the full experience of the game.

Stop acting stupid.

[atomic cove]

and is D4 their only game?

[stoic rapids]

reducing fuel supply keeps prices higher, and at least right now somewhat stable

[quick siren]

No but it is their biggest game right now, yes.

You did say Blizzard, did you not?

Stop acting stupid.

[stoic rapids]

basically better for us as landowners to be producing 1 unit of fuel for $5 then producing 4 units for $1 each

[quick siren]

Diablo 2 remaster is 6 bucks right now.

[low river]

Relax a bit buddy?

[lyric hamlet]

Yeah, I want a person to step on camera and explained this to me

[stoic rapids]

total revenue = area of those rectangles. we as landowners get 5% of that, DAO gets 95%

the new rectangle is larger area so we both get more revenue with lower supply

[quick siren]

Game was released very recently. Takes a while for content creators to make quality video content.

[lyric hamlet]

I don't live in illuvium. I bought the land cuz they said we can sell fuel to the DAO and actually have a decent ROI. Where did I go wrong?

[stoic rapids]

someone could make a fascinating illuvium econ channel

[atomic cove]

are you telling me D4 has higher number of players then WoW? 🤣 What copium is this

[quick siren]

D4 is not an MMORPG. You are comparing apples to oranges.

And acting stupid.

[undone dagger]

Just give one to me I promise I'll take good care of it :v

[stoic rapids]

believing that they could make billions of dollars in revenue, of which landowners get 5% or less, in 2 years to give landowners a 2 year ROI on their 70M worth of land

I did the same thing 😖

[atomic cove]

I only mentioned blizzard you're the one that came with the diablo 4 example

[quick siren]

And also WoW is free 2 play up to lvl 20

[atomic cove]

it makes sense to look at the biggest Blizzard game

[quick siren]

So again, youa re proving me wrong.

[atomic cove]

and it's not D4

they milk wow players not D4

[lyric hamlet]

Man was I punked

[stoic rapids]

I didn't do the math when I was buying the land unfortunately

[atomic zealot]

They milk player but wow is actually fun lol or was fun when I played

[lyric hamlet]

Bitcoin and eth is pretty much the only legit crypto out here

[stoic rapids]

I think we need the revenue to 100x for us to get to 2 year ROI

which isn't impossible! but it's tough

[atomic cove]

I played wow vanilla when they relaunched it

[lyric hamlet]

Every other project is just a lure for money

[sharp elk]

You invested in something you didn’t understand.

[stoic rapids]

lands at current prices are a fantastic deal IF you think there's a high chance this turns into a popular mainstream game

[lyric hamlet]

Aight im done complaining

[atomic zealot]

Ooo I played it way back in the day, what a good game. No mmo has ever been able to replicate that feeling

[atomic cove]

true dat. I played the burning crusade initially.

[atomic zealot]

He's right this was what we were told early

[stoic rapids]

yeah, that's what the chart shows. price of each unit of fuel sold is higher for both buyers and sellers, it's impossible for them to be different

supply is roughly fixed per unit time

[quick siren]

It's not a free market if the devs control the game. lol

[atomic cove]

guys go take a look at the idea of dynamic fuel minting and leave your feedback
https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274644572378501182

[sharp elk]

Nope. Many, many, people, myself included, told people not to buy land as an investment.
To only buy for fun.

A high annual return on investment was never promised. It was just an assumption of some people.

[copper falcon]

then its a question of priorities. its obvious that only hard grinders can be profitable in Illuvium, those who make 30 runs a day, start fighting with every illuvial to scan for stats etc. most of them have no families i suppose, and also are whales who got their money from somewhere else. no reason to try be like them if you have other priorities. its a like a lottery win to a casual player to win big in illuvium.

[quick siren]

Anyone who bought land in this game is a dumbass. Seriously.

[atomic cove]

it never was free market, go read IIP-39

[quick siren]

I mean if you wanted to buy land because you want to give money to the devs, that's fine

[atomic cove]

can you not talk 2 sentences without insulting someone?

[quick siren]

But if you bought land because you're gonna get a huge ROI, then you're dumb.

[stoic rapids]

yeah we fell victim to the hype

[foggy bison]

In the investment world, this rise in price of fuel might be considered a "dead cat bounce" before continuing its decline.

[quick siren]

It's called tough love when reality hits hard.

[stoic rapids]

but idk, in next alt season everything in ILV might go to the moon even without fundamental changes. this game is WAY better than axie

[atomic cove]

you just joined the discord to day to come flame everyone was it?

[stoic rapids]

if game survives to next alt season we can probably all cash out at a profit

[quick siren]

If you think Im wrong, I'm more than willing to hear you out.

[copper falcon]

you just envy you dont have land, thats it😉

[atomic cove]

I'm good, don't need to be talking to rude kids.

[quick siren]

There isnt a scenario where everyone walks away from this game with profit.

[stoic rapids]

are you familiar with axie infinity?

[quick siren]

Yeah.

[hazy tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-super-smart-not-dumbt-all-spongebob-worship-gif-15742321

[atomic cove]

best game ever 🤣

[quick siren]

The game got hacked

Millions lost.

[stoic rapids]

yeah, it was a complete ponzi scheme even before the hack

[atomic zealot]

I'm talking about the mechanism , the initial idea was to sell to the dao and the dao sells fuel to players...that changed at some point

[quick siren]

https://tenor.com/view/shimmy-annie-murphy-alexis-alexis-rose-schitts-creek-gif-14496943182054400406

[copper falcon]

sure, you will pay for me to walk away with profit, thanks, man!🙏

[stoic rapids]

but the people who got in early could have gotten out at massive profit anytime. ILV will have a big ponzi bubble during altseason

[quick siren]

[stoic rapids]

if I remember right, fuel prices were falling very consistently by 0.0000001 ETH per day. we had fallen from 26 to 06 over a couple weeks

[atomic zealot]

Yes, I'm saying with current prices I probably won't play much if at all once my current fuel tank runs dry

[stoic rapids]

and at least for me 80% of my lower rail orders never even got filled

suppliers were making more the day before the patch than they are now, but they would very shortly have been making a lot less unless demand skyrocketed

maybe demand would have skyrocketed! we don't know bc of patch

[copper falcon]

thats sad... well, there will be Gauntlet (already is, i just dont play it, spending all time on lands and overworld)

[stoic rapids]

totally reasonable to say devs should have let price continue to fall and see if demand picked up, but it didn't look to me like it was going to given the steady price decline

[sharp elk]

As far as I know that’s what currently happens. Landholders sell to the dao, then the dao adds 19x units and sells to the OW players.

The precise mechanism of what happens behind the scenes is irrelevant. Landholders were promised 5% of fuel sales and that is what they are getting.

[atomic cove]

free markets need to capitulate. Something we didn't let happen. And now we'll continue to slowly grind our way down.

[sharp elk]

Runaway deflation would not be great for the game.
You don’t want players deliberately delaying a run because they will get fuel cheaper tomorrow.

[copper falcon]

i think big data showed the following: most of people are ready to pay, say 5$ a stage 3 run, but ofc they are happy when they pay only 1$ a run, and they dont run 5 times more, may be 1.5 times more, cus they have life outside, most of them. so overall they are just getting discount, they are not milked properly. so there was need to raise price of a fuel unit cus the runs are fixed in fuel units.

[sage bough]

Liquidity is not there, if the DAO is buying it should be instant. Instead sales only happen when there is a matching buyer.

[sharp elk]

Sure. Nobody said the dao purchase of fuel would be instant.

[stoic rapids]

no, we didn't need to see what the actual stable price was

the amount of fuel produced is made up

"100 cryptons" what does that mean

[atomic cove]

2/3 of a stage 1 run

[stoic rapids]

occasional patches to change production are against the spirit of the free market but probably essential for the game

[atomic cove]

maybe we should stop calling this a "free" market

it is not

[quick siren]

It's not a free market.

[stoic rapids]

yeah it's not

[quick siren]

It's not a decentralized system

[tardy falcon]

sorta-free

[sage bough]

If it's going to be an efficient exchange we need liquidity. The DAO should be acting as market maker on both sides to make an efficient market. They can do whatever else they need to, cap sales, adjust production, but buys & sells should all be instant through the DAO.

[tardy falcon]

kinda-free

[sharp elk]

We already knew it wasn’t.

Some people argued for a fully free market without rails, but it was decided that it would be too intimidating for the average gamer.

[stoic rapids]

yeah this part is bizarre, automatic market makers have been around for ages

[atomic cove]

we only have a top rail. It's basically the same as there were none. Since prices won't get there any time soon.

[stoic rapids]

it would not be difficult to set one up instead of a completely opaque price from buyer side and annoying order book from seller side

[atomic cove]

imagine that... Having a visible order book and a price chart.

guess that's too much to ask

[tall canopy]

Is there a bug in zero where when you purchase a builder on one plot it wipes all your plots of its coins?

[forest cypress]

I absolutely love waiting 6 hours for 3 fuel. Having my progress grind to a near stationary pace is my favorite part of being a landowner right now. It really makes the experience feel purposeful when my converter upgrades will take 90 days to repay their fuel costs.

[sage bough]

The ledger is not easy to read at all. If the DAO is market maker they can also use a price spread when needed.

[sharp elk]

It does act as a market maker. It just doesn’t assume any risk.

All risk is born by the landholder, and realistically, this is sensible.

[lost walrus]

Yeah it is pure joy now

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/rats-stas-asket-gif-22971977

free market

[next juniper]

I haven’t seen any reports of this bug. You sure you didn’t accidentally use it to speed something up? I did that once by accident.

[copper falcon]

i say a year or 2, week or 2 is not enough to have a mil of paying players

[sharp elk]

Prices were already at the top rail for several days at the start.

Whether we go back there again depends on demand, but regardless, the rail is there and has been used.

[stoic rapids]

lands are about the same price as prepatch as far as I can tell

[next juniper]

Most of the cheap ones that got listed from the panic were already bought up.

[atomic cove]

ah yes since they didn't give time for IZ to launch prior to OB and no one had any actual fuel to sell. Right...

[sage bough]

You're right that the DAO would be assuming some risk by acting as market maker. Using a price spread is one way to absorb some of that risk. Example - buy at .005 eth, sell at .006 eth. At times of extreme volatility those spreads can widen. Otherwise we dont really have an exchange.

[stoic rapids]

how else are you measuring worth lol?

[copper falcon]

IZ launched several days before tho

but not enough to start generating fuel

[sage bough]

I think if the DAO isn't willing to step in as the market maker, maybe it should just be an open market. Like Johnny's fuel as a token idea.

[quick siren]

This only works as long as the crypto currency is stable.

[atomic cove]

that was my point 🤣
you may have had a bit of fuel if you owned a T4 and spent coins

[copper falcon]

yeah, my T2 couldnt generate fuel until 2 weeks of building

even now i spend it all on developing and scanning

[misty rock]

I heard there is plan to allow Zero land owner to push their Fuel to the overworld game directly. (not selling in the market.)

When that happen what how will it play out?
1️⃣ 1 Fuel in Zero = 1 Fuel in Overworld?
2️⃣ 1 Fuel in Zero = 20 Fuel in Overworld?
3️⃣ 20 Fuel in Zero = 1 Fuel in Overworld?

I hope it will be 2️⃣ as if they are forcing us land owner to play. They at least give us some slack.

[stoic rapids]

the ROI is like 200 years right now collectively, haha

[misty rock]

Its worse after the patch few days back. My T2 land use to have a tiny bit of surpplus that almost fill up my storage. So i have to sell around 50 fuel in fuel exchange. Now i can't i am still building and upgrading.

Waiting for fuel for my upgrade now

[stoic rapids]

we can only get ROI with substantial demand growth

[sharp elk]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-math-four-addition-gif-10891885

[misty rock]

If the game succeed. We can expect constain flow of low revenue. Dun expect big payout unless you have T4 type of land

[atomic cove]

it has to be 3️⃣

[copper falcon]

idk, i was not able to spare for sale before the update the same as after, nothing changed for me perosonally😅

[sharp elk]

That would result in landholders getting less than their current 5%.

I doubt anybody actually wants a genuine nerf to landholder profits.
The imagined nerf is already causing enough drama.

[tall canopy]

Yeah I only bought one worker on one land. I don’t play the other lands much. Wiped all 3 lands to 1 coin each

[atomic cove]

"imagined nerf"so not an actual nerf?

[sage bough]

It's no different than right now, sellers are selling well below what buyer's are paying.

[copper falcon]

also Kieran has a ton of land, i dont think he wants to make himself less rich

[stoic rapids]

I suppose they could do something behind the scenes so landowners still got 5%, with airdrops or something like they do when we hit top rail

[next juniper]

The coins are all links no matter what. If you use it on any of them, it gets used for all.

[stoic rapids]

the patch didn't change the value of land

that's why they're not adjusting

some people thought it did and panic sold, and speculators bought those up pretty fast

[copper falcon]

iths also the shitty way to sell, very ineffective

[tall canopy]

O that’s strange so if you earn coins independently they all get used when you are focusing on one land?

[next juniper]

Yeah. If you earn on any, it goes on the same balance. Works the same for using them.

[copper falcon]

yes

[stoic rapids]

prices were on track to reach ~0 in another week

at which point this patch would give us an ~infinite price improvement!

[copper falcon]

the price will get higher, its not that fast as making an update

[next juniper]

Yeah. Fuel was going to be zero. Don’t you remember all the people saying, “free fuel soon”? I prefer fuel to be worth something. The patch was necessary.

[stoic rapids]

I would agree with you if prices were stable before the patch but they truly weren't, we couldn't even sell

[sage bough]

The market is probably going to be adjusting for a while, weeks if not months. I think T1 touches at least $75.

[atomic cove]

you're wrong. Ppl are buying fuel. Even land owners are buying fuel. A bottom would come eventually.

[stoic rapids]

well, I would agree with you that devs screwed up, I wouldnt' agree that the fundamental value of land changed

[copper falcon]

those basterds airdroppers were so happy they play almost for free!🤬

[stoic rapids]

yeah Im really curious to see where demand goes from here

[copper falcon]

but on almost 0 point

[atomic cove]

we were entering cheap territory when compared to OW prices. It was the point to start buying fuel. But we went and manipulated supply...

[next juniper]

It will take time for the whole ecosystem to get going and prices become stable. They will be implementing lots of changes and adding features as well which will affect the market overall.

[sturdy herald]

I'm having trouble understanding the fuel selling marketplace. I see orders going through on the ledger for $0.0069, but I have an sell order that remains pending for $0.0053. Can't go much lower because it errors out on price min. Not trying to move a lot, would just like to see a sell order go through.

[burnt viper]

when the ROI, and utility is nerfed or weak, what is the value of it

[sage bough]

Why are the Tier 2 fuel crates ($45) selling for $25 on the secondary markets?

[atomic cove]

but hey guys thank god Vetemor designed this 'bonus' fuel system for us!

[stoic rapids]

landowners collectively own 5% of revenue. the value of land is basically proportional to expected revenue from this game

[stoic rapids]

we can all agree the bonus fuel system is a crime against god

no matter our other differences

[copper falcon]

just think about it. a person is ready to spend 5$ to play 2 hours a day. but fore some reason they get a discount and pay 2$. will they play more? no, still they can spend only 2 hours. and this supply rise led to this situation, that persons who can spend 5$, spent only 2$. this should be stopped, they were underpaying

[next juniper]

Runs are still under $5 for stage 3 last I checked. Since before launch, it was stated that they wanted stage 3 runs to cost about $5.70 or so.

[burnt viper]

thats your own "interpretation" of value 😂

[atomic cove]

EZ 🤝

[atomic cove]

but wait there's more. You can do stage 3 runs for the price of what you perceived was the value of a stage 2 run

and the floor price of illuvials hasn't dropped that much

so it was becoming rather attractive to go hunt in the OW

[copper falcon]

yeap, i am simplifying this, but the idea is like that, to make them pay the max they can

[burnt viper]

why do we have to care about the price of illuvials? Since when do games care about their game monsters value lmao

[next juniper]

Just yesterday runs were less than $5. How much does it cost to get 1350 fuel now?

[copper falcon]

and to get more for less? so that high tier illuvials would be cheaper?

[atomic cove]

since they have value m8. This is a circular economy.

[atomic cove]

nop they're maintaining their price relatively well. Ofc it will keep dropping with the increased supply over time.

[thorny crater]

i just happen to be on it lol

[burnt viper]

It doesn't mean this circular economy is something that illivum has to pump up and maintain this player's expectations

[stark verge]

Bout to go mad. What's with the signing you out every minute crap?

[copper falcon]

this price is changing slower

but it would change

[next juniper]

Right. It’s $9 but that is not counting the bonus.

[copper falcon]

if no measures taken

[atomic cove]

absolutely. We shouldn't have touched the land's fuel production values IMO

[sage bough]

Hasn't happened to me this weekend.

If you go idle I think it will reset you to login screen

[atomic cove]

yes but that's the thing. Compared to the price to travel + cure shards it was rather profitable at those prices and therefore very appealing to play.

[lyric hamlet]

Serious question

[burnt viper]

yeah, we should have added temporary tax fuel sellers, or nerfed the dao instead active players who are trying to enjoy the game

[stark verge]

Was it happening? Is there something you guys did to fix it. I can't play like this.

[lyric hamlet]

How do I max my efficiency for a fuel converter???

[copper falcon]

but overall the price of everything Illuvium was degrading! of all project in general

[lyric hamlet]

I got it surrounded by power stations

Only have 132%

[atomic cove]

that's natural... It will be the lowest while we're minting the assets. The price appreciation only comes after the minting is done.

[next juniper]

You need more power stations that are as close as possible to the building.

[lyric hamlet]

Do I need to upgrade my power stations or something?

[next juniper]

Upgrading them will not give more efficiency, just gives more power.

[copper falcon]

the overall pot, how much comes in all the system, depends on how many players there are and how effectively they are milked to pay the max they can for everything in all ecosystem. and apparently big data showed to the Team that this milking effectiveness was dagrading.

[lyric hamlet]

Look at this

[toxic hull]

do another row around it

[lyric hamlet]

Lol!!!!

[stoic rapids]

so landowners got 20% of revenue instead of 5%? 🤔

[lyric hamlet]

Ok dang

Does yall look like this too?

[next juniper]

The fuel converters get more efficiency if you get it as close as possible to a fuel site of the same type.

[stoic rapids]

oh I see, but that's functionally what they did

just with some extra steps in terms of changing building fuel prices

[copper falcon]

technically it was easier to make the way they did

[lyric hamlet]

This is a t1

So only got a crypton fuel source

[toxic hull]

ya you need a lot

[lyric hamlet]

Wow

As long as I'm not the only one here having like 20 power stations

[toxic hull]

no. we all got them

[copper falcon]

a lot of devs are on vacation now after the crazy months before launch🤷‍♂️

so they chose easy

[stoic rapids]

more confusing in the long run though. they can just go through and multiply fuel production and building costs by a flat % now and it's easy enough

power station simulator

[sage bough]

I think you have much happier land owners that way, but also that effectively increases the 5% to 20% at the expense of the DAO. Maybe 9:1 would be a halfway point.

[atomic cove]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1274644572378501182

[stoic rapids]

what part of "95% of revenue goes to token holders, 5% of revenue goes to landowners" do you not understand? I feel like I'm missing something

changing quantity of fuel produced didn't change that

[foggy sage]

I have the solon fuel land mark.

[stoic rapids]

if revenue went up or down as a result of change to supply, both landowners and token owners benefit/are hurt

[atomic cove]

your producing 4 times less OW fuel to travel. That's what you're missing. And that's where the nerf happened...

[foggy sage]

XD why do you have 20 power stations lol are you bad? You need atleast 100

[atomic cove]

why do you even need power stations like that? You playing on a T4 plot?

[stoic rapids]

thats a good point. but prices of illuvials / gear you get from the runs would fall too if fuel prices keep falling

[foggy sage]

The dev team build the world first power station sim builder truly cutting edge technology in the gaming industry

[atomic cove]

that's your assumption. Illuvial prices haven't dropped that hard actually.

[stoic rapids]

if it became effectively F2P surely they would have

[atomic cove]

it wouldn't. And if you would understand a bit of web3 ecosystems you would know that.

[foggy sage]

Its not that illuvial prices would fall they need a good mechanic to increase or re roll stats on weaker rolled illuvials so more become bought rolled and fused. Also they need a better website for trading so that people can filter by stats and cherry pick good ones

[foggy sage]

Because you want all your fuel producing buildings to produce the max

[stoic rapids]

didn't they change it so efficiency no longer affects fuel production?

[foggy sage]

There is a million dokka that have shit stats of.course the floor price is going to 0 on illuvials

[atomic cove]

yeah we need illuvial combination badly to burn some bad stat illuvials.

[foggy sage]

But if you could take 3 meh rolled ones and through time turn them in a mid rolled dokka well okay now were talking

Mmm to complicated. best they can do is nerf fuel again

[vocal pasture]

Or just fuse 3 same illuvials and get a rerolled one for instance. Easy and effective sink

[foggy sage]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-stars-rick-harrison-yeah-laughing-lmfao-gif-14776304349166046392

[atomic cove]

that's going to upset a lot of folks 😅

[tardy falcon]

Tbf… token holders are now vulnerable also. Before, there was staking for token emission. But now that’s gone and the only thing that’s left is revdis. If there’s no rev, there’s no dis. And the 95% gets distributed between alllll the stakers. So I get my 5% and everyone else gets a fraction of 95%

[stoic rapids]

we're passive investors lol. they can print the fuel themselves

[atomic cove]

creating skins should also be burning an illuvial. But that still ain't implemented...

true dat

[stoic rapids]

agree with you that revdis was a terrible idea, but too late to change now

[vocal pasture]

That would be another complementary sink yes

[tardy falcon]

Yep

[foggy sage]

Last one out reduce fuel production by 100% and turn the lights off

[tardy falcon]

I like Johnnys idea about web3 games having the potential to live on without the creators and be open source dev… this game is so good and could continue living even if the founders fail… taken up by community dev

[stoic rapids]

wouldn't they just sell all the assets for pennies to pay back their VCs?

[tardy falcon]

Idk… pretty sure they would expire all options before throwing in the towel

That would buy them half a month 😌

Tho it will be cool to see fuel used for illuvitar sale

Another reason why I’m hoarding fuel

Hamster on wheel go brrrrrr

We suffer now… but we dunno the future. Maybe prod rises again.

[stoic rapids]

if we get stuck at top rail they'll very likely raise prod instead of sell more land

[stoic rapids]

the backlash against another land sale would hopefully be waaay too much for them to ignore

plus it would look grim if they sold first 1/5 for 70M, then second 1/5 for 10M

[tardy falcon]

Need to get me some t4 n higher biodata… been gettin squat from them so far

Rhamphy plushies XD

No one outside of crypto really knows about illuvium or what to make of it… and there’s so much barrier to entry for new people. It’s gotta be complex enough for the hardcore yet simple enough for the newbie.

[last tiger]

what?

[thorny crater]

I just happen to be in the page when I seen the question. I just posted the amount is all

[gentle portal]

guys what is the basis of fuel prices?

[inland shore]

to screw over the land holders

[lethal lichen]

What is the maxed nexus level and maxed structure limit?

[tardy falcon]

fuel started at 0.0000026 or $0.0068
Because supply initially outweighed demand by A LOT sellers kept undercutting each other... driving the price lower and lower. It seems the system is set up in such a way that you can only list a percentage lower than the lowest current floor price.

The reason we don't see the floor falling lower is that now supply is in line with demand and people don't have to undercut at the floor any more. Fuel is getting bought up into the range of .0000006 to .0000020

[gentle portal]

really confuse so i should put my range somewhere here

[tardy falcon]

put it where u are willing to sell. If you want it to move just check current buy distribution on the ledger and sell somewhat lower than that

[gentle portal]

check current buy distribution on the ledger ?

oh this one

[tardy falcon]

yes... these are current solon sales

[tardy falcon]

yes... filter on the right by 'buy order distributed'

selct fuel type

then u see what fuel is selling at right now and list accordingly

if u want it to move now

and are desperate

[signal dew]

What stage scanner are you at

[nimble lichen]

Scanner level 5. Still only found T4 so far though

[signal dew]

Ok cool im working on getting mine to 5 now

[forest cypress]

I love how T3 and above lands are the only ones doing well right now. I can't even scan cause my converters yield 3 fuel every 6 hours...

[nimble lichen]

the level 5 mat lab is a beast

[junior hollow]

you get what you pay for, my good man

[rose thicket]

That is an excellent point on non-guaranteed dividends and the distinction of landholders. By the way, gold miners take 30% of the net in the most efficient commodity market in the world. Effecient BTC miners during bull runs experience 25%+ growth.

I have a very similar line of logic as you. I have heard SILV2 accounted for $64M and ETH $8M. This means that Land serviced the ILV debt by $64M and added $8M to the DAO treasury if it is accurate. This does account for all of the 3% fees collected on the DEX since inception of landsales.

[gritty wave]

they don't own vcs anything...they have the token..if it goes to zero, their investment goes to zero...they are not loans

[rose thicket]

I am in the early stages of outlining mini-IIPs related to the reforming fuel attributes. 1. unit of account, 2. store of value, 3. medium of exchange. I hope this can make change possible while being principled based so we do not rek this economy before it even gets started.

[rose thicket]

please explain

[gritty wave]

venture capital is not a loan, they buy tokens with certain conditions (ie when they can sell) but they take all the risk of it going to zero...they do a lot of these so they only need one or two to hit big to offset all the rest that dont' work out

[grand silo]

gm guys jumping in looking forward to SuperHamsters positive vibes for the day always gets me pumped

[gritty wave]

well last one I know for sure paid $30 a share

And the studio is big holders of ILV...I would guess they would do whatever they need to make this a success

be interesting to see all that..but usually they have a non-disclosure agreement

I think part of this recent dump was an early investor diversifing his holdings

[gentle portal]

what is this setting? buy order distributed? how do u toggle to that boss?

[timber sapphire]

That's not true I could easily get blueprints in alpha

[timber cloak]

My account Season 1 and Season 2 rewards are missing and I can't view them

[mortal smelt]

now it costs fuel to work it instead of resources

it is what it is

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

my resources sitting there like

[gritty wave]

yeah, I was glad they raise the resource costs of fuel...I wasn't even harvesting my resources at all before lol

[dire pier]

Super hamster are you capable of commenting without trying to gas light everyone in here? You know the answer to every question you've asked. The only purpose has got to be to troll all of us

[tardy falcon]

it's right there 😅

revdis was lackluster... beyond rewards have been the best so far

aside from SLP

[versed vault]

when does the game come out of beta?

[tardy falcon]

maybe 2-3 more years?

[signal dew]

Where do we see our rewards at anyway

[tardy falcon]

Which?

[signal dew]

Any of them, i see the season points tho

[tardy falcon]

Depends on which
Staking Dashboard for revdis

[signal dew]

Oh so only ILV stakers get rewards? Nothing for the season points or being landholder beyond holder ect? I must have got that wrong

[tardy falcon]

Beyond rewards are just dropped to wallets… season points are claimed thru history tab in passport

[signal dew]

Thanks

[tardy falcon]

Landholder were airdropped fuel crates

[signal dew]

I had that one

[hearty cradle]

whars going on with solon, so volatile

they really need to show the bonus before purchase

[inland shore]

What do bonuses do?