🎮〕illuvium-zero

[knotty idol]

I think sellers should be able to put in any sale price they want and see what the actual, current sell floor is. What shows as the "average sale price" in the GUI is well above the actual current sale price (in my experience over the last 3 or 4 days)

[thorny crater]

is this Ledger menu for ALL DAO sells? lok like someon jst make 34.41 lol

[thorny crater]

its just supply and demand....you can put the sell price to 1 eth per fuel does not mean there is a demand for it. I am not sure what your asking

[knotty idol]

My point is that the minimum and what they GUI says when you sell any fuel is not actually the floor. If all fuel the DAO sells to a buy equaled all fuel that is sold by land owners then the market rate has to be well below the minimum that is allowed to be sold

[thorny crater]

ah gotcha.

[knotty idol]

I think Illuvium is artificially keeping a minimum value high on the sell side and sell orders are piling up

[thorny crater]

i jsut add 0s to get the little message then i just copy the current lowest sales price from that message. if it is not sold within an hour/next time i check il cancel and do it again

[knotty idol]

But they can still mint fuel and sell it to buyers, it's not connected 1 to 1 in a smart contract or anything

[thorny crater]

no. it is its own ecosystem it seems. fuels do not seem to be an nft

[knotty idol]

Yeah that's what I have been trying to do as well, little success for a couple days outside a small amount of crypton

[thorny crater]

like ores and stuff are not either in OW

idk as of yesterday and continuing today my stuff is selling like crazy:

before yesterday no though. this is very new lol

[fair temple]

I just bought some crypton and solon. Probably why it is selling 😉

[thorny crater]

im about to buy some cyton for some stage 1 runs myself......im jsut so terrified about taxes lol

[fair temple]

Do you pay taxes over buying pokemon cards tho

[thorny crater]

yeah.

in the USA its the sales tax

and state sales tax

and the the seller and captial gains taxes

[fair temple]

I see

[thorny crater]

now other countries i have no clue

[fair temple]

Probably true for (most) other countries 😄 i just play the: "Idk" card. Apparently that can get you a long way.

[hazy tartan]

As long as there’s no paper trail of ignorance being willful 🤷‍♂️

[thorny crater]

oh why does my land not register in the verify assests chat? i bought land in the orginal sale

[thorny crater]

ledger paper trailis VERY easy to navigate.

Coinbase to my external wallet to this game. it wouldn't be hard for a trained person to find....im not trained and I already made code to deal with my wallets. I dont mess around

[hazy tartan]

Fair, better safe than sorry

[thorny crater]

yeah i connected two walletes and immutable but nope.

[fair temple]

I do regularly call the tax bureau but so far they havent really been able to give conclusive answers lol

[thorny crater]

This is true my CPA is asking me questions lol like bro i pay you

haha

So ill keep 37% of all eranings to the side. that high balling my tax amount. itsll be maybe around 13-22% if i make big bucks. I need to make an LLC for this if i start making real money

Not tax advice im just type thinking

[warped osprey]

how much fuels do you need for researching ?

[thorny crater]

I gues i have to collect passport?

[thorny crater]

10x10x10 for each fuel to scan and then research at lvl 1

5% chance of success

[warped osprey]

Dayum

[thorny crater]

yeah its not easy. out of 7-8 research i got nothing lol

but thats my goal is BPs not fuel

my t3 i found one illuvial. this is a t2 and found these guys but havent not got one fact or bp yet lol you can only reserach one at at time for each lab though:

need my t2 nexus to be lvl 8 so i can upgrade teh fuels themselves then i can convert more

my t2 only have HYPE fuels

[vernal estuary]

how can you tell if a land plot is near water, vs being land locked just pending new lands to open

[hearty cradle]

how low can u sell from the average price

[grizzled remnant]

Is there a limit of material Labs that we can put ? It dont let me build anymore. When i have ressources and building slots

[hearty cradle]

@harsh dew is it possible for u track the ledger and create fuel price chart from it?

[pearl dagger]

I haven't heard about limits on it yet, how many do you have?

[grizzled remnant]

Got 5. On a T3

[pearl dagger]

ew, in closed beat I had at least 8 on a plot

[thorny crater]

Hmmm I would guess the scanners do the same too?

[pearl dagger]

all these limits make me wonder how they're going to limit mega city

[twin knot]

Yes it's the max you can build was confirmed here before

Same for scanners

[grizzled remnant]

Ok thanks for confirmation

[quasi canyon]

Is the third builder (vs just 2) that much of a difference maker?

[median valve]

Is there a reason I’m not getting any season 1 progress on my land? I’ve been converting Hyperion but I’m not getting any credit for it

[thorny crater]

100% differnce

exhibit A:

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

took forever lol

power station power engage! lol

[spring jetty]

are people still buying fuel, cos it's not selling at all lol

[lean bison]

Can you help me with what exactly to do to get my missions updated?

[spring jetty]

price keeps dropping

[lethal trail]

Quick question, we are not going to see more wipes from now on right?

[lean bison]

@bitter glade sir it's been 5 days I get 0 points even though I do complete all my missions they said it has a bug but can't this be fixed also are the points I should have got already lost?

[pseudo pulsar]

Illuvium heaven

[rose thicket]

think the great carry trade last weekend carried all of the ILV OW engagement with it. I have outstanding fill orders all week.

[prime loom]

So...land purchasers funded this thing and now they're getting shafted on yield?

Thought the Warwicks were all about keeping investors happy.

[rose thicket]

Well apparently landholders are not investors per the IMC’s vote on IIP64. Guess we are all sugar daddies for Labs.

[prime loom]

Not investors?? Why did Tier 4 holders pay 12-15k on average? For the joy of clicking on more extractors??

[ocean haven]

the stock holders have all the power, if land owners were to get anything it would come from their 95% share, and since they are the once that have to vote it in gl 🙂

[stoic rapids]

yeah tbh we're the retail bagholders

[rose thicket]

We need to unite and elect IMC that share these values

[stoic rapids]

well the problem is that it makes no sense to support landowners directly

they have to increase the amount of money flowing into the game ecosystem from overworld and arena

if fuel goes to 0 because supply is fixed and > demand, giving landowners 10% instead of 5% or whatever is meaningless

also for legal reasons I suspect they don't want to define landowners, or even people who bought the token, as investors

[thorny crater]

mine yesteday for the first time started working. let me see what todays are doing. i been on zero all morning lol

[tardy falcon]

there's a fucking plant behind there... any way to select it?

[woven tangle]

I made a Youtube video for quick and easy land setup layout guild search for (Quick & Easy Guide to Maximizing Your Path Bonus in Illuvium Zero) or ZephurosX on Youtube I hope this helps people happy building

[lean bison]

I mentioned the admin I hope he replies with an answer.
How about the weekly btw?

[thorny crater]

mine might not be working again. i grab some silion from multiple sites, waited, and refresh the browser a few time and it is not updating any more.

silcon is stuck at 254441. as for the other two i just finish a scan and a bio research and it did not update, BUT they both failed

maybe its successful scans/research? idk

weekly shows i have two which is not correct

it should be 4-5

[reef echo]

Has anyone successfully sold fuel to the marketplace? I been trying to sell just 500 fuel for over a week now and its still pending

[tardy falcon]

cancel and adjust price to current market value

[thorny crater]

scame do not messeage them

[lethal wyvern]

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[thorny crater]

i sold some today

[rose thicket]

IMO, “legal reasons” is such a naive excuse for our IIP64. security regulators don’t give a damn what semantics you use. if you are offering assets and running an exchange, then it is securities…the legal ramifications cones when something goes bad, and enough people get hurt.

[white charm]

daily goals it auto select crop

[tardy falcon]

I don't understand

[hidden nest]

Hello Guys, I have been playing illuvium zero for a few days now.

I'm completely new to it.

Here is what I have and I was hoping I can get some pointers on what else can I do? I'm very limited in how much money I can put in.

I have two tier 1 plots. Now I realized I should have bought one tier 2 plot. But you live you learn.

[polar cosmos]

Its fckin backend bug and team don't care about it, we cant gain airdrop points for a week...

[thorny crater]

Im working on my t1 as well lol just got my next to 7 and now building power stations lol:

[thorny crater]

This is ALPHA we not even in BETA yet. they working on it

[hidden nest]

Wow!! Nice for sharing I'll try to do that too!!

[thorny crater]

it cost 80 HYPE thats the hurdle

[polar cosmos]

Its beta bro, alpha was 2 years ago xd

[hidden nest]

That is a lot

[hidden nest]

So does that mean it will all reset?

[thorny crater]

no to reset looking up if zero is in beta or not now.

[thorny crater]

I stand corrected lol. None the less they still working on it activily.

but i get it. crypto to me hoenslty sucks becasue of how you reacted. You did or said nothig wrong but with no regualations there are pirates everywhere, and hardly any accountability. So i can how see you think this is a "rugg" as they call it. that said, I do not. But this is the only game in crypto i ever bet on beacause i believe in the team.

[hidden nest]

Ok so it is in beta. So yes to reset or no reset? Sorry if for asking again. I guess I Don't know what will be the difference afyer beta

[thorny crater]

No worries! that's on me i confused you. I was wrong on the beta part.

but no, no more resets

unless you buy land from someone of course then the land resets

thats just for those buying and selling though

[hidden nest]

Got it

[thorny crater]

I wish i could have mine like that lol.

t2?

no 3..

upgrading silcon converts to get more. i need more labs and acanners:

[hidden nest]

What is that tier? Wow!!

[thorny crater]

t3

so many power stations for efficiency

[hidden nest]

How do you use your fuel for.overworld?

[harsh dew]

Share me the data link, I will look at it.

What do you mean by track the ledger ?

[brazen kraken]

Hi all, I want to buy a plot of land but I don't have a big budget. What type of land would you advise me to buy?

[burnt viper]

For tier 1, Make sure it has 3 resource sites and perhaps a crypton fuel site (the most demanded fuel rn)

[void vault]

3

[thorny crater]

oh you cant transport fuel directly to yourself. if have to sell it. which i am currently doing:

the "x" is a canceled order

[quasi canyon]

I wonder if the conspirators in this feed have watched any of the AMAs where kieran talks about all the features coming to ILZ, which will likely make the land more valuable. Or how he said the goal is for land ROI to be about 2 years. Like calm down youre either complaining just to complain, to fud, or because you were too risky with your investments and now are regretting it

[thorny crater]

if it takes to long ill relist for a lower price

[lethal scarab]

Anyone with iOS 18 beta had problem with illuvium zero ?

[tardy falcon]

awesome thanks... i'll try it

[uneven pulsar]

retards, what's say, ppl in overload take 20$ a day without any investigation, we spent $$$$ on land

[uneven pulsar]

2 years for t1? is good ro it was roi for t4-t5?))

[rose thicket]

I agree in part and am excited about the creation of use cases stated by Kieran. The issue at hand for many Landholders is that the IMC essentially said Land is not an investment and that Labs should not disclose the info on how to optimize our land for production. This is after we received 100% upvotes from the community and 100% approval from the ICC.

[vivid cipher]

The buildings actually remain in place when the land is sold.

[vivid cipher]

See above.

[thorny crater]

ohhh sweeet.

when i bought my t3 it must have been bugged. but i like that cause the more you work it the better teh resale value

[weary swift]

what the wedsite you connect your metamask too to look at your land

[vocal pasture]

How are the cold wallet migrations going? Any issues?

[reef echo]

I haven't my fuel to sell. I have one at market value and one below market and still just pending. How long did it take for your fuel to sell on average?

[vivid cipher]

As expected. Nobody actually wants the SEC to confiscate all of our assets (yours and mine included).

[uneven pulsar]

Jesse, I want to ask you. During AMA Kieran told us that ROI for land should be 2 years. I hope he spoke about tier 1?

[vivid cipher]

Mine went fine.

[vocal pasture]

Can I just migrate one land, or do all migrate (I have 2)?

[vivid cipher]

Do you know where the return comes from? How and why land owners earn eth?

[vivid cipher]

Up to you.

[tardy falcon]

once landowners can use their own fuel for ow fuel price should get a nice bump cuz less selling pressure

[vocal pasture]

Nice! Thanks, didn’t know if it was one by one or only batched

[vivid cipher]

Check the bottom two guides to see how to do…

#❓❗〕community-help message

[uneven pulsar]

and who than should buy?)

[vocal pasture]

Thanks. I have everything set, wallet linked, just not “fired” yet 😉

[uneven pulsar]

yes I know

[uneven pulsar]

now it looks like I spent 100k$ in lands and I don't look like investor

[tardy falcon]

there are players that dont have land and purchase fuel... there are landowners that don't purchase fuel but would use their own to play

[thorny crater]

first batch didnt sell at all. then i jus tplayed around with prices till it did

[uneven pulsar]

yes now landlord buy too if they won't but who will buy?

[thorny crater]

What can and can we not talk about. Im confused on this issue

[tardy falcon]

i don't buy fuel... but will use my own to play

thus relieving sell pressure

there are players who don't have land and buy fuel...

you will see

[uneven pulsar]

i understand it but we need around 20x playes for it

[tardy falcon]

definitely

i'm not saying it will fix the economy... but being able to use our own fuel is a step[

[uneven pulsar]

buying land now looks like a big deception on the part of the project, since when buying we didn't know how many resources we needed for travel, how much the land would produce. But everything will be fine, the team said, let's vote 95%/5%.

[vocal pasture]

I think people are too optimistic on very high ROIs….an asset that gives 15% ROI yearly is a good investment, which would mean, assuming T4 at 8000$ and no price variation in one year, around 1200$ profit per year, 100$ per month, 3$33 per day.
A T4 producing 6000 fuel would make that with fuel at $0,00055. So relax, and let the game roll and improve 😉

[uneven pulsar]

year tell about these ppl

[uneven pulsar]

a t1 roi 20 years?

for my childrens

[vocal pasture]

Does land value go to zero?

[uneven pulsar]

soon man soon

[vocal pasture]

If you buy a house for 1M and rent it, you expect the rent to pay for the house in 1 year?

[uneven pulsar]

soon wiil be not play2eran like play and free

[knotty idol]

yeah true, tough part though is my tier 3s are finally starting to produce enough fuel to sell and the price is already almost 66% down. T4 production alone seems to be producing all the fuel demand needed by buyers. T2 and T1 sellers might be able to sell at 1 or 2 at this rate :-p

[vocal pasture]

But it is proportional to the land price i think

[uneven pulsar]

we will speak about project illuvion not about rent, I will send eth to ron LP and get 50% every year

[tardy falcon]

that's true... let's hope that's not how they implement it

[uneven pulsar]

when lend was buying team should underdtand economy and than show ask start price

[tardy falcon]

can aaron clarify?

[vocal pasture]

That’s all the risk taking decisions we make for higher roi

[uneven pulsar]

its not risk - risk when your price sis decreased 90% and team told is everything is okay

[vocal pasture]

I can dump 8000$ on lottery tickets expecting 100000000% ROI, high risk. Or into bonds or saving accounts at 3 %ROI low risk.

[tardy falcon]

@noble quest Do you know how landowners using their own fuel will be handled in relation to the DAO? Will land owner's transfers be a simple transfer or will it count as the DAO printing 19x of that transfer and sell it?

[vocal pasture]

I agree that the was a huge devaluation on land price since first sale, and that is worrisome. Like ILV token since 1800 bucks. And eth since 4000. And BTC since 74000…

[hazy tartan]

Almost as if the entire market is down and it’s a reflection of the broader spectrum 🧠

I’m with you btw

[uneven pulsar]

what did you say, what lottery tickets? we use web3 and Project but it looks like web2, for what are these stupid lands, 95% realy? project can sell without lands. Landlords need to increase start capital for mlns dollars at begginig. Now ofc we don't important

[vocal pasture]

And illuvium is really a first “blockchain meets AAA gaming” with a full dedicated studio so it can be a boom or bust…I believe boom but we never know

[vocal pasture]

It was an example of high risk = high ROI but risk is risk

[drowsy oasis]

Hello!
I still have problems that I don’t see my land in illuvium zero.
My wallet is linked in passport and I can see the land in the inventory.
But when I start the game I don’t have my land there.
I don’t know what to do…

[uneven pulsar]

We speak about AAA games and strong investors, not African developers. So that's why I chose this project

[radiant sky]

dao will print and sell it. At least that's the plan it always was as far as i remember latest coment of team to this matter

[vocal pasture]

Is land in IMX or zkEVM?

[tall crypt]

The price of fuel will go down, I think it has to go down by 80% to stabilize. It is now at 0'0000011 ETH. With a T4 I am producing about 3600 ($8/day) units of fuel per day. I hope to triple that number.

[vocal pasture]

Yes me too. That’s why I believe it will work out fine

[uneven pulsar]

i asked about AMA session from Kieran, He told about ROI 1 year and asked is it for tir 1 or?

[tardy falcon]

oof... well then, there goes more spiral down 😅

[ionic wharf]

Can we send our fuel from land plots to our own account and use it ourselves in OW or just sell it and then buy it from the market?

[vocal pasture]

How can you triple? 10000 fuel???

[radiant sky]

nobody knows what he actually was reffering in that townhall.
is it average price of landsale, just floor price right now etc.
Was just some general statement.

if it comes to tier, i guess he meant all tiers. Not really a specific one.

[uneven pulsar]

okay thank you

[ionic wharf]

can you share your land plot pic?

[radiant sky]

NFA and totally my personal pov.

With the released 2nd wallet support and not too much incentive in sight for not waiting until lower fuel price.
Price of fuel will go down for sure 🙂

[uneven pulsar]

maybe you know about craft and trainee illuvials will be with DAO 95/5?

[radiant sky]

what are you reffering to when you mean crafting and training?

[vocal pasture]

The illuvials gym…could be something cool 🙂

[radiant sky]

you can not craft illuvials... at least not yet 😄

[tall crypt]

You will never be able to sell the amount of fuel that is generated. There will be a time when you can buy 100 million fuel oil for $1. You will never need it again. Some other utility must be given to burn the fuel oil. For example reduce the vesting of the airdrop....

[drowsy oasis]

On imx

[vocal pasture]

Mmm should work then…

[drowsy oasis]

Strange that I can see it in passport..

[pearl marten]

More utility will come to land in the medium future ... Gyms i think being the first one and remember Kieran's long list of things he would like to see (doesn't mean they will all happen ) but i'm sure the team knows that land has to be succesfull

[vocal pasture]

I had a similar issue with eth but I was using zkEVM instead of imx

[radiant sky]

aah that one.
We will see how the team is responding to this.

In my proposal the fuel used to get a place in a gym already was sold with that ratio.
So there won't be an additionnal ratio of 95:5 somewhere in it.
The DAO gets "marketplace fees"tho from people training their illuvials

But that's just how Fillow and me envisioned it, we really have to wait for teams respond.
And it won't be implemented any time soon, other features have priority over that and then it needs to be developped.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-gif-10232471137596575681

[rose thicket]

I totally agree we want to avoid confiscation by governments. But we also want to avoid misappropriation of information and funds...kind of why universally everyone agrees disclosures are a good thing for a fair and free market?

[hearty cradle]

oh that average

[radiant sky]

was also just a very short term crystal ball prediction 😄

[pearl marten]

Yep i suspected that 🙂
We're bullish on land afaik (at least we have to be 😄 )

[hidden nest]

Hi guys, I guess I could do the math but I figured some one here knows the answer.

On my tier 1 plot, which only produces Hyperion. Do you or would you pay to obtain the other fuels? Or would you put the effort to convert Hyperion to the other resources? In this case I'm in need of Solon.

[rose thicket]

https://discord.com/channels/760344898200666112/1270075654897008650

[vocal pasture]

You have to convert. Cannot buy

[drowsy oasis]

How did you solve it?

[radiant sky]

the possibilities are for sure endless to increase value for land. 🙂

[vocal pasture]

Had to go to imx passport and transfer it to imx

Not very easy tbh

But I don’t know if that’s your issue

[vocal pasture]

But fill a ticket to the team they will answer (might take a bit but will do)

[rose thicket]

well, I say lets get to Cracky Lackying ILZers...31 months in escrow at this point

[hidden nest]

Well, clearly I can buy it, or how is this guy selling it?

[vocal pasture]

You can buy for use in overworld, but you cannot use it in zero

Only sell from zero to ow

[hidden nest]

Wow!!! Thanks!! mind blown!!!

[vocal pasture]

No problem :). It makes progression a bit slower…

[gritty wave]

what is more profitable to research? drone skin or armour?

[pearl marten]

No one knows... minting isn't live yet

[gritty wave]

any guess on your part?

or will you just collect them all?

[pearl marten]

Imo both will be equally valuable ... whoever will buy skins will like to have 'the pair' equipped imo - at least i know that's how i would like to visually see my ranger and the drone

[blissful citrus]

Hi all. Hope you are well?

If you did not purchase a land for zero at the mint stage or on the market place. The google playstore version is not for earning. Just to teach or give you a feel of the game?

[tardy falcon]

Triple not possible... 9x fuel sites @ fuel 600/ea... 600x9= 5400... account for bonus sites at 720... say average 660 then. 660x9= 5940. Plus passive fuel from say 12 converters averaging 300 passive every 12 days, so 3600 total divided by 12 is 300 passive/day. Let's say you convert with some of the high efficiency converters... converting 250 into 300 on maybe 4 of the converters. That's an extra 200 fuel/day. Add all that together and you get 6500 ish. Now... if you have 20% time bonus then these tasks take 20 ish hours instead of 24. so you can look at it like a 20% bonus on top of 6500 which is around 1300... so total potential is around 7800 or so. Don't forget to take into consideration the human factor of sleep and missing claim. Take off 10% for that and you have a max daily average of about 7000 fuel in varying amounts of solon, crypton and heyperion.

[rotund forum]

Every day there is more fuel yet no increased demand. Last 2 days I have been unable to sell fuel at the very very bottom. You come to a point where you can basically not play zero anymore because all reserves are overflowing.

[pearl marten]

Nice math 😄
And this doesn't take into account any research/scanning going on

[rose thicket]

nice summary of my sentiment

[pearl marten]

@tardy falcon Did you get to Nexus 9? i can't remember if you managed that before your issue

[tardy falcon]

it died that day i believe... so had nexus 9 then stuck. But back in action after fix. and yes nexus 9.

[pearl marten]

Awesome ... i just started it on my T3 .. man 5 days to complete is a pain 😄

[tardy falcon]

i feel u. Im slowly building the t3 also... only nexus 8 still there

[pearl marten]

But i'm almost to a lvl 4 scanner 😄 ..lfg!

[tardy falcon]

eyyy let's gooo

[thorny crater]

what does leveling up the scanner do?

same with labs

[tardy falcon]

higher tier illuvials

[pearl marten]

haven't sold 1 fuel so far ... but it's the choice you have to make if you want to go for research (high tier) - especially on a T3

[tardy falcon]

yep... I sold some just for testing mostly but same... and I might just hoarde fuel for a while idk yet

[pearl marten]

Same i think ... once i get all the mines to max level and also at least 1 lab to lvl 5 i'm going to hold off for a bit

[tardy falcon]

u get any bps yet?

[thorny crater]

listed and sold instantly for me just now

[blissful citrus]

Hi anyone can assist me?

[vernal estuary]

I just rebooted my pc... Anyone else stuck at loading screen for Zero on PC ? It's working on mobile though

[thorny crater]

yeah when im ideal to long

only repoeted zero not my whole pc though

just ALT F4 and it will close an application

[vernal estuary]

No I meant.. I just rebooted my computer. After reboot Zero is no longer loading

[pearl marten]

Nope .. some facts here and there but they're sure difficult to get

[thorny crater]

oh snap

[tardy falcon]

sure are... i did get one so far tho

[pearl marten]

Niiice congrats! What line/illuvial?

[pearl marten]

Awesome!

[tardy falcon]

(: go science

[pearl marten]

How many scanners do you have and what's your highest?

[tardy falcon]

I gotta get my scanners higher level also... does take a while to level everything

[pearl marten]

Oh def it takes time (and a good chunk of resources)

[tardy falcon]

nice thing about having multiple plots is you can cherrypick biodata... say you wanna focus on higher tiers on one plot and lower tiers on other... u can just delete from one plot and let the others take care of those... relieves burden on databank

[pearl marten]

Wondering how's the sequence meaning like if you get a BP from a revo like you did for example you keep also the biodata?
That would mean you can research indefinitely that BP which doesn't quite make sens

[harsh dew]

Do you think there is a better way to get those data quickly ?

[pearl marten]

I would like it that once you mint a BP that biodata dissappears also

[tardy falcon]

yes... still have the revo biodata

[pearl marten]

But you haven't minted yet..so we'll see i guess

[tardy falcon]

trueeee

[radiant sky]

The biodata shouldn't be consumed.
You should be able to get each blueprint data only once.
You should also be able to mint a blueprint of your blueprint data only once. (Reason why blueprint data gets erased with a wallet transfer)

[tardy falcon]

I wonder... that would give validity to finding multiple biodata

some ppl said it was a bug

but maybe intentional

[radiant sky]

no, it's not intentional afaik

[tardy falcon]

ahhh

[pearl marten]

Oh so basically it acts like you lose the biodata but you don't lose it - you're only allowed to research/mint it only once

[hearty cradle]

gonna need the API

since its off chain

[radiant sky]

no it doesn't act like you lose the biodata, otherwhise you have to find biodata multiple times to research for armor and drone blueprint

[pearl marten]

Yep understood (i was saying it acts like you lose it to make sense in my head 😄 )
But it's good you can mint it only once ... some BPs this way will be reeaallly rare

At least for the first 3-6 months or so i would say

[radiant sky]

yea, i guess some Season1 BP's could end up super rare.

[lean bison]

Exactly the same happened to me, they also counted the failed and successful research, same missions didn't update also I have 2 research for the weekly and I have surpassed 6 times already

[gritty wave]

why for t1s bps make a lot more sense than trying to sell fuel

and minting bps should be part of airdrop, not just selling fuel

[rotund forum]

Ok I don’t want to be the negative one here, waited long time for launch but I think I see the reason why I can’t seem to sell any fuel at bottom prices. I don’t know how many players there are but revenue in last 24 hours was 2,2 eth, so I reckon playerbase is just a handful of guys (weren’t there a zillion beta sign ups???) At this rate revdis (150, not 500) will come once every 3 months. And zero will not have a utility if nobody can sell their fuel.

[rose thicket]

what is your data source on revenue?

[foggy sage]

we added another 0 to the price of solon Lets go boys!

LFG lets add another 0 next week get this thing down to .00000000000000000000000001

2 decades before you can expect a ROI lol

[heady marten]

No more fuel getting sold?

[heady marten]

As long as team keeps dumping 19 to 1.

They don't need money right now

They need players

[foggy sage]

eh if i may i dont think the season should have started at launch should have had a 1 month buffer to iron some out of these things after getting real world data

[heady marten]

Yeah need a fun game and sustainable

[foggy sage]

right now my favorite part is gauntlet because i dont have to pay anything and can enjoy the TFT with out these extra steps

error code 500 basically ruined my run for air drop points this season and the fuel crisis is very dis hearting for land owners who pretty much invested the most and get the absolute least. but the TFT is fun i wont lie hence why i like gauntlet so much i get to try all sorts of combos and stuff for free and in a fast pace enviornment

[gentle grove]

@radiant sky damn congrats on the mod

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/winking-im-your-huckleberry-tombstone-wink-gif-19380820

[gentle grove]

Now we need more players for fuel to sell

[gleaming sigil]

Did the podium give some extra sauce to plants or just make more plants to appear. If the second is true why should I want more plant they are basically a pest on my land I have to remove .

[green osprey]

I think you are correct to be negative, even if we knew it was 19/1, we should have been able from the beggining to use our fuel from IZ to OW, now even if they vote this it's too late imo. They completely missed that part, I sold my tier 3 and that I bought 2 years ago it's really sad because the project was really cool years ago

[chilly cargo]

Hi, why i cant see my progress on iluvium zero missions? ive been playing all the week and complete all it says and it does´nt updated

[radiant sky]

i reccomend opening a ticket with using the bug report form ingame.

[vernal estuary]

@chilly cargo - Yes please open a ticket. Several are having the same issue.. the squeaky wheel gets the grease

[heady marten]

What is gauntlet?

Seems no one buying fuel anymore

[atomic zealot]

Man....I was about to ask how the fuel business is going...

[spring jetty]

It's a dead swamp

[atomic zealot]

Are there no players?

I'll be honest, I'm happy I sold my plots

[foggy sage]

yea i bet you are lol

I JUST Wish i could play but i the error code 500 that the team cant figure out how to fix

[green osprey]

I should I sold them way before !

IZ is useless and full of bugs

[foggy sage]

the whole game design is bad for zero

[unborn osprey]

Why is there nowhere where I can read something about the buildings? What does Singularity scanner does when it's higher level? What does Materials Lab does when it's higher level?? Why is it so hard to know how to play the game?

[foggy sage]

the fact u need 150 power stations is so dumb

[atomic zealot]

Just curious, why not sell now?

[green osprey]

I did already sell

[atomic zealot]

Oh nice

Congrats lol

When? After launch or before?

[green osprey]

I think price will drop for landowner

around 2 ethers and I bought at 3 😭

I kept a tier 1 but I sold it 1 week ago

I really don't think thinks are looking good for landowners unfortunatly

[atomic zealot]

Or the game really

It's sad I really liked the idea of collectable Pokemon like creatures but they focused too much on art and forgot gameplay

What kills me is they can actually do it but the culture was bad here

[foggy sage]

I just find my self wanting to play the TFT more then anything and not have to deal with the runs or using their buggy website to buy things

[tardy hill]

Do it

[green osprey]

They should have copy Sorare

[foggy sage]

Amen brother code 500 ended my season so i had to make an alt

[green osprey]

I mean sorare this skyrocket because rewards were amazing, we have no tournament or competions with big prices coming

every body aim to get rare and sell it I mean

[rose thicket]

Great question. @indigo coral @marsh sage @potent dock

[atomic zealot]

Is the studio giving any updates or answering questions on active player stats?

[rose thicket]

My understanding is that is what third-party volunteer enthusiasts are for. @marsh sage

[atomic zealot]

@marsh sage that'd be great if we get player stats

[paper sleet]

Is 8% the biggest path bonus you can get?

[rose thicket]

10%

[tribal zealot]

20%

[indigo coral]

Scanner let´s you find higher tier bio-data, labs let´s you research higher tier bio-data.

paths give 1% per 10 buildings connected

Building limit at nexus 9 is 202

[radiant sky]

i think he knows that.
i guess he wanted to point out that this info should be found somewhere ingame.

[indigo coral]

I could not deduct that from those questions.

[radiant sky]

yea me neither, but from his other posts he does i guess he's aware of how the systems work.

[unborn osprey]

"Why is there nowhere where I can read something about the buildings" isn't clear enough?

[atomic zealot]

Do you have details on player stats?

[radiant sky]

no, i just have info what is actually publicly available

[unborn osprey]

And it's not a point of getting an answer. That should be somewhere available. Okay you answered me. What about when somebody else asks? Somebody will have to answer him again? Why can't we have that ingame or on the site. How to actually play the game.

What does it mean to find higher tier? What are the odds? Give us something.

[atomic zealot]

Are they planning on making this info public?

[radiant sky]

i don't know 🙂

[indigo coral]

I can bring it up at next council meeting and ask if patchnotes detailing the building data on a website or in a blog post or a wiki like thing are planned soon.

[trim otter]

Is there a building that can transfer resources from one of my plots to another. I thought that was the zero points job

[radiant sky]

hasn't that been talked about when voting for the IIP of @rose thicket ?
or the dozens of feedbacks that info like that should be displayed in some way?

[indigo coral]

It certainly has been, I can voice it again, but wouldn´t be able to give you a timeline currently.

The IIP is also clearly not asking for patchnotes, I clarified that as well, it is far closer to language used around securities, not video games.

If you read Ani´s or my rationale, we didn´t say anything about not wanting e.g. patchnotes either.

[radiant sky]

i mean there are a lot of info asked about in that IIP, i was under the assumption it has to be discused if some more info should be given out than there it is now when debating such an IIP.

glad you here, curiuous what being the result next meeting.
Maybe also catch up again on the missing compensations of the launch date IIP from kieran, would be nice to get some info about them aswell.

[indigo coral]

Sure, adding that you mentioned this to the list.

[radiant sky]

was IIP-54

wasn't sure anymore 😄

[indigo coral]

ok, I gotta go sleep though, it is late, gn8

[quasi canyon]

Wait am i just realizing that upgrading power does not increase efficiency??? Why would i upgrade these powerstations?

[hollow talon]

Gn

[fierce ice]

What do you guys/girls think about adding 6 buildings (limited to one part land) that forces a fuse to take the highest one of the 3? Each of building represents 1 of the 6 stats

[tough sand]

Mine is doing the same. Just loads a blank plot of grass. It been like that for 2 weeks now. I've created a ticket but no luck so far. Hopefully you have better success.

[atomic zealot]

Serious question, is the studio fixing anyone's issues? Are they ignoring or is it just taking long?

[analog basin]

I think there are so many bugs they are overwhelmed.

[spring void]

Anyone have issues linking a hardware wallet with metamask extension? Getting a timeout and then an "unknown" error

[stable minnow]

Does fuel sell? I am only new to listing it, but have st it at average market price and haven't seen any move yet

[sick hemlock]

hello

what time of reset?

[analog basin]

You will never sell anything at market average 0.0000026. It's currently selling around 0.0000011. I have some sell orders in at 0.0000012 and they are still not selling yet.

[atomic zealot]

Omg

[analog basin]

I know lol

[atomic zealot]

What tier land you got?

[analog basin]

T3 and a T2 also bought the GF a T2 she's not selling anything also.

As it is at the moment not going according to plan you could say.

[foggy sage]

i got my solon set to this price and still not selling time to go lower

[tardy falcon]

that's the thing about tft vs illuvium... illuvium is an ecosystem gaming universe... tft is a game. tft is established... illuvium has just launched. it's going to take time to get balance right, bring in new players, add new features. can't expect a newborn to win a triathalon. as pissed as I can get about issues and state of the game it's also true that it's very early.

[analog basin]

Waste of time really atm. Rock bottom and still heading down.

[foggy sage]

amen brother

[analog basin]

Well that was $8000 well spent then ha ha ha

[foggy sage]

but a dollar is a dollar making as much money as i can until it hits 0

[tardy falcon]

feel free to donate t4 lands to me 😌

[analog basin]

Yea sure. Not what we expected right.

[foggy sage]

im just pissed i have code error 500 and cant even play the game any more

[flat steeple]

Almost have enough fuel to push to Nexus 7

[analog basin]

I understand we are in BETA and all that goes with it, but can't help the feeling that with all the hype I was expecting a Ferrari and I got a Yaris lol.

[analog basin]

Oh dude feel for you. I have a Solon Dredge that hasn't produced any Solon for over 10 days but your issue is worse.

[foggy sage]

the only response from the mods is we know, or let me check and then they never respond again lol, also the ticket never has gotten a response lol

some dude has the same issue as me and has had it for like 2 weeks now

[atomic zealot]

I tried warning of this ages ago, but I got punished. There's more plots of land than players...
Their pricing model is terrible for mass adoption

[analog basin]

As I said above I think they are probs doing their best but I get the sense they have simply been overwhelmed with all the problems

[foggy sage]

all the more reason to not launch your season 1 air drop at the start and maybe give your dev team a 30 day buffer to fix some of the inital problems people face when going live

[analog basin]

Yip. I was hyping this launch a month or two ago to friends....I'm glad they aren't asking me how it's going lol.

[foggy sage]

XD lol

[tardy falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/expectations-reality-gif-19210021

[atomic zealot]

The game is also bland, they focused way too much on art

[analog basin]

You talking OW? Or Zero? Or both?

[atomic zealot]

The overworld is annoying to play, would've been better if the did rpg style

[atomic zealot]

Yeah, that to me is the center of the game

[tardy falcon]

wdym? another stuck bug?

[tardy falcon]

is that OW?

[foggy sage]

thats logging in

i cant do arena or OW

[tardy falcon]

weeeird

u try on a different device?

[foggy sage]

game wont let me login so season 1 air drop is done for me, another user has had the issue for like 2 weeks nows

yup

[analog basin]

I agree OW is lacking that feeling that makes you want to get in again. That's a little concerning actually.

[tardy falcon]

yah needs multiplayer

[analog basin]

I haven't logged in for over a week.

[tardy falcon]

still feels predictable

[atomic zealot]

I think it needs to be an RPG style and not just annoying terrain

[foggy sage]

was really only playing for the air drop points then found my self wanting to play the TFT and gauntlet more then the rest

[atomic zealot]

Quests fights, more npcs

Etc..

[tardy falcon]

that's cool... thats what i like about illuvium... theres different games for different ppl

i actually like zero most

figuring out optimization

[foggy sage]

zero aint bad either but def needs some big design changes

[tardy falcon]

if illuvium is still alive in 5 years things will have significantly improved

[analog basin]

Bad. @atomic zealot Probably not possible now but the ability to gather resources to build a base and maybe even have areas where you can keep your illuvials bit like Palworld kind of thing. Running around and shooting rocks gets a bit dull very fast.

[atomic zealot]

Yeah and the challenge is terrain

[tardy falcon]

u submit a ticket? get any response?

[foggy sage]

yup no response , and the other guy has a ticket from 2 weeks ago no response

[analog basin]

Makes my stuck Solon Dredge feel positively brilliant lol

[tardy falcon]

pinging in community help maybe

[foggy sage]

i just pinnged the big dog said screw it mr kirean him self

[tardy falcon]

I hate being complainy but at a certain point the squeeky wheel gets the grease

I straight threw a tantrum with the stuck plot issue

[analog basin]

I hope your issue gets fixed soon bud, then you can sell no fuel along with the rest of us ha ha ha.

[foggy sage]

amen to that

[noble willow]

anyone else not getting passport code emails?

[vagrant steeple]

A minimum price should be set at which the fuel can be sold, so that no one could sell it for less than x. Sales orders would enter a queue and be sold on a first-come, first-served basis. What is currently happening is terrible for the game, fuel is going to be worthless soon, and at the moment there is not and will not be enough demand. Furthermore, the illuvials, weapons, etc., will become worthless, something that would be very negative for the project. It is a very easy solution to implement and would patch the current situation while long-term solutions are found. Of course this is illuvium, it will take them a century to do something and the solution will be catastrophic.

Many of you probably don't like something like that, the same ones whose greed has helped bring about the current situation, where the game has clearly been released too soon but that would at least allow the fuel to be sold at a decent price. although it took time, and would allow more stability in the project.

[sterile raven]

Is max nexus lvl 9?

[frosty lagoon]

yeah it dosn't look good

[stoic rapids]

why would it be better for us to max out fuel storage and throw fuel away than to sell it at a very low price/

at least at low prices, we can retain more people in overworld

[shell heart]

Overworld need to take on a Everquest 2 vibe or Wow
With the ability to use fuels to provide access to capturing illuvials which provide in game raid content vibe

[orchid isle]

Shadow bug on iOS there’s no way to report a bug on iOS either

[vagrant steeple]

It is clear that the solution is for people to buy more, but they are only going to achieve that by making the game better, and for that they are going to need months, if they ever get people to want to play their game. Until then, it is necessary to look for solutions to avoid disasters, and that is a patch that can help in the short term.

[stoic rapids]

problem is they've been blowing their money on airdrops, which mostly attracts people looking to grind for awhile then take money out of the game

they need to market to non-crypto gamers. like at the very least, illuvium should be front and center ad in epic games store

[vagrant steeple]

With the current monetization system that is very difficult.

[atomic zealot]

Imo the overworld id beyond repair, you need a major overhaul to make it better

And look how long it took them to make the current one

[stoic rapids]

beyond repair?

[atomic zealot]

It's very boring, you need a lot of insane work and time to make it fun...it'd need just a redo

[lean bison]

Lost 8.4k points cuz 1 research and the late updates I got for days and it feels like we got a 100 weeks during one season we got only for weeks we can't lose one cuz of a bug in the game

[shell heart]

Add npc's into overworld
Make it a challenge to move thru the map
Allow progression without cost to an extent
All endgame encounters should require items and illuvials only acquired thru fuel cost encounters
Providing a demand for end game

[stoic rapids]

in theory illuvium's economy could still function if overworld was a boring gacha wheel

having it be actually fun would for sure help

but at the end of the day we need demand for illuvials for people who want to play in arena

or for collectors, either works

[shell heart]

Difficulty of gameplay does wonders for fun in my opinion
Some cry it's to hard but where's the fun if if it's not a challenge

I still remember taking 3 months to kill a raid mob in eq2
Taking well over 100 attempts in a 24 man raid group

That's a challange

[stoic rapids]

I just mean that illuvium doesn't necessarily die if overworld isn't fun, if arena was really fun it would raise demand for illuvials and play-to-earn players would grind overworld

if neither of them are particularly fun then economy will collapse

completely agree, should have said economy will not grow to be large enough to sustain the game

I mean if we can't compete head to head with AAA games (more specifically pokemon/palworld and dota autochess/league's teamfight tactics) for players then game will fail

game needs a large playerbase willing to put more money into the game than they take out

💀

I don't think that's even the core problem, people put up with palworld bugs because it was FUN

I've gotten really into some other autobattlers but I've kinda bounced off arena because it's confusing and high friction to do anything

I mean the team design part is interesting, it's more like pokemon. While gauntlet is a TFT clone - but you don't need to buy illuvials to play that so it doesn't help with the economy

[fleet jacinth]

i guess the hypothetical best case scenario would be more demand than all the land can produce i would love for some nerd to crunch the numbers on how much of a player base that would take

[stoic rapids]

yeah and in competitive pokemon you can clearly tell why you won/lost "oh my opponent buffed up his metwo and swept me with it, I need something that can wall mewtwo or remove buffs or apply poison, etc"

in illuvium arena I can't really tell why I won or lost

[fleet jacinth]

the other issue is illuvials don't burn easily so once you build a team theres not a massive incentive to re-enter the overworld?

[fleet jacinth]

agreed theres so much going on at once its totally confusing

that is pretty normal for TFT styled games

i just did that

i crunched the numbers it costs 650 energy per catch 4000 max energy

so you can catch 6

[stoic rapids]

TFT doesn't have elemental typing though, and I at least personally I felt like it was easier to learn

[wicked horizon]

My singularity scanner has been stuck unmoving at 23hr 42min for days, is this a known issue?

[fleet jacinth]

its kinda a conundrum with infinite amounts of illuvials to be caught eventually no one will want to go into the overworld

[stoic rapids]

well they'll come out with new illuvials with slight power creep...

[fleet jacinth]

agreed its a little too complex i dont like the creature stats

[stoic rapids]

that part is solveable

[fleet jacinth]

AHAHAHA of course!

anyone who held their old team gets burned

its classic web3 economics

[stoic rapids]

I mean thats how pokemon works too

[fleet jacinth]

i watched my gods unchained collection go from 16eth to 2 eth from power creep

true

[stoic rapids]

or MTG

or any collectable game

the market will clearly put up with that over a long timescale

[fleet jacinth]

its just scary with web3 the amount you have to put in seems to be way higher

[stoic rapids]

ehhhh have you ever played MTG? 😬

[noble quest]

It will be transferred directly to their account.

[fleet jacinth]

i got to legend on hearthstone but never touched mtg :S

im actually tracking my ROi atm for fun

i've put in .1eth

i wanna see if i make more or lose in stage 3

[stoic rapids]

I played arena competitively last year for a bit, tried to get into it again now that game is out and had mostly forgotten how it works and I was completely flailing

[fleet jacinth]

me too XD

i also dont like the decimal pointed system for units

i prefer tft where there are preselected hexagons for each guy

[shell heart]

I still have my og mox's

[fleet jacinth]

i often have to move 3 illuvials just to get the 1 i wanted in position

seems unintuitive

[stoic rapids]

yeah I understand current system supports large/small illuvials better, but it's a real pain as a player

in TFT it's easy to swap two heroes

[shell heart]

I lost about 500k worth of old school mtg to a flood

[stoic rapids]

ooof

[fleet jacinth]

my prayers go out to you, my aunty threw out my original pokemon collection binder with over 10k cards

i feel your pain

[shell heart]

Started in beta and Arabians knights era

[shell heart]

Yea I had no idea at the time what my decks where worth
Had been in a closet for ages

Exactly

[fleet jacinth]

yeah exactly mine were also just collecting dust in the closet

[tardy falcon]

Kk... so to be clear... Landowner fuel will be transferred to their own account and the DAO ~ WILL NOT ~ print 19x and sell?
Last comment by Aaron was such that transfers would trigger a DAO print. Reason for the clarification is that if landowners use their own fuel that is simply trasnferred that will relieve some selling pressure of fuel. However, if DAO prints fuel on top of transfers there will be massive extra sell pressure.

[stoic rapids]

I think they could overcome some of the learning curve issues if they were able to attract streamers to arena with sponserships or tournaments with big prizes

[shell heart]

Yep had a blast playing those years played up to ice age

[fleet jacinth]

card games are my fav, i tried MTG it was above my pay grade way too complex for me XD

[stoic rapids]

there are 0 people streaming illuvium on twitch right now

and the streams Ive seen recently have been mainly "grinding airdrop points"

[shell heart]

Nowadays all the game versions within mtg does get expensive and complex

[prisma swift]

What is the most appropriate way to let my scholar play for me? I should move my land to my external wallet (like metamask), and then create a secondary IMX account on a different email and give him access to that IMX account?

[fleet jacinth]

i'll be going live in 2 hours 😄 im just gonna traverse stage 3 looking for cool shit

[noble quest]

That was the plan when it was on chain, I thought we were changing that. I will check

[stoic rapids]

I've struggled to find a single streamer playing high level arena so I can take a look at meta decks and strategies

[fleet jacinth]

i think you can link metamask to passport wallet, if you give the passport log in you're screwed right, if assets arent on metamask?

[tardy falcon]

oki

[fleet jacinth]

this could be a loophole to avoid fuel inflation printing, after being sent to your account you could sell it to market?

[shell heart]

I picked up a case of ultimate masters after losing all those cards to the flood
Put together a complete set
And just been hoarding the booster boxes lol

[tardy falcon]

I don't think account bound fuel will ever be able to be sold...

[shell heart]

A survivor

And some duel lands

[tardy falcon]

token holders aint gonna have a game if fuel goes to 0

[atomic zealot]

To be fair, this probably still gonna happen

[fleet jacinth]

yeah i have no idea what they were thinking with 95% inflation were they trying to match the US economy

[prisma swift]

I am not sure, that's why I am trying to figure out the appropriate process lol 😄

[fleet jacinth]

im almost certain if the assets are on metamask it would require a metamask signiture and the scholar wouldnt be able to do that, but as im new to passports don't quote me on this

[atomic zealot]

None of this matters if people aren't playing and their silence on this is telling unfortunately

[fleet jacinth]

i do see one double edged sword if all land owners are in charge of 100% of fuel supply we can monopolise and charge what we want but then again if we do that we kill the game and then can't sell fuel at all XD

[prisma swift]

Has anyone actually also selled fuel successfully? I've had my stuff set to market price and it never sells 😄

[fleet jacinth]

i thought it was 95-5% at first and i thought them inflating 5% was too much XD

[tardy falcon]

tbf the game needs to be more fun and illuvials have more utility along with economy balance

[fleet jacinth]

seeing that both fuel and illuvials infinietly spawn overtime everything should get way cheaper, there needs to be a really good illuvial sink to keep the economy sustained long term

[teal mural]

Hey Kieran, when you get chance can you see if the techTeam can see why the Ally rog X ( it’s an handheld pc ) is having problems with OW. It does great playing all the other AAA games so I’m guessing it’s something simple that can be fixed. Problem with the controller and when shooting at illuvals the gun stop working.

[vivid cipher]

That makes sense to me. You control the metamask. They can’t move the land nft. They could sell fuel I think. I’m not sure yet. There’s pretty much always gonna be a bit trust involved with scholars.

[fleet jacinth]

yeah understandable, i personally love the land game flying around like a squirel hunting for illuvials but after a point in time it will be too underprofitable to sustain after many illuvials have been farmed

[teal mural]

Handheld games are the future for crypto games because it allows players to go mobile

[atomic zealot]

The culture was either hype up or shut up

[fleet jacinth]

could be an advertising issue too, idk if they've spent money to advertise the game yet

[atomic zealot]

You couldn't be critical and all YouTubers just hyped every leak they gave us as if it's the best thing in gaming

[tardy falcon]

Once ow has multiplayer, the ability for users to VC, and an objective there will be more people playing. One the biggest problems imo is the lack of social experience in the games.

My son plays valorant religiously. That game is the same thing over and over again... plant the spike or diffuse the spike, kill enemy team. Simple. But that game does so well because of the social element and the simplicity in it's objective.

tbh i don't think arena is going to draw that many people... maybe they keep developing it and it grows. but the real prize is in OW multiplayer imo.

[atomic zealot]

Overworld needs to improve as a game 10X

[grand silo]

what are facts for? and how do we get them

[tardy falcon]

yep... foundation is there tho

[atomic zealot]

Depends but really the only fun part is catching an illuvial but even then I'm like jeez all that work, time and in game energy for this....like the journey to catch that one was not fun at all

Alot of jumping and going over weird terrain and being harassed slightly by bugs

[tardy falcon]

yah... i mean more the environments and mechanics are developed. It feels pretty good to walk, run, jump, jetpack, shoot, special weapons... all that is there... just needs objectives and multiplayer and Voice/text chat

[atomic zealot]

Agreed but if they wanna do an open world RPG......they are another 2 years behind minimum

[tardy falcon]

maybe so... tho kieran said they put together a simple multiplayer experience alread and internally played around with it so...

nah... these ideas have been around and are part of dev. ive heard kieran and aaron both cover them on previous interviews. getting to where things are at now is really just the foundation.

3 games on chain with marketplace is no small feat

[atomic zealot]

I'll tell you why because being critical of anything they did or said was shunned, I tried really hard to push for ideas and screamed about the 95% fuel inflation and how no one will play this game with the current financial model and I just getting berated and told oh no we just want to play the game and how skins were somehow gonna be sold for thousands of dollars...it was straight insanity so I sold my land and just came back in after 2 years to see how it went

[tardy falcon]

could put forth an alternative financial model in idea... gain support and get it voted on.

[atomic zealot]

I have ideas but I'm not willing to go through that again.

[tardy falcon]

i think they are but implementing them requires more dev... and getting this out was what was possible for now. seems like the sentiment was, launch with where things are at and keep developing.

[fleet jacinth]

if i knew there was 95% tax i would've never bought land, it's crazy to think this can be justified, if the zero players have no incentive to farm then the whole ecosystem collapses

[tardy falcon]

i hear yah... but a well thought through proposal can make it. imagine affecting the illuvium economy and making it work better for everyone... you'd be doing everyone a favor.

[atomic zealot]

There was clear trickery happening from the beginning, like how right after the land sale the game kept getting delayed when it was 2 months away....it got released 2 years later...the game was never gonna release after the land sale

[atomic zealot]

I really tried pointing out that problem and tried offering alternative ideas and just got yelled at....man I'm still salty over it I guess...

[fleet jacinth]

i wouldn't blame you i've had similiar situations in other web3 games

i am curious at the teams reasoning to this level of inflation

[atomic zealot]

Maybe, life's busy now too being a dad now idk I want that vibe again

[fleet jacinth]

does anyone know the official reasoning for fuel inflation?

[atomic zealot]

Back then? No one cared because they made it seem like you'll be selling so much fuel and blue prints it wouldn't matter

[fleet jacinth]

LUL

[atomic zealot]

It's their source of income

[fleet jacinth]

it's quiet counter intuitive no matter how much fuel you sell 95% extra will be produced

i understand inflation if there was literally no one farming in zero

as a safety net

but i think if the demand was their the financial incentive would garruntee this issue would not occur

[atomic zealot]

It was straight insanity

[fleet jacinth]

yeah, the good thing is these changes can be reverted

in other web3 games they solidified decisions permanently

im just glad they're an intuitive team that learns and adapts quiet quickly

if workers dont get paid they go on strike

gotta strike the right balance

[tardy falcon]

hmm mayube so idk... would need to hear aaron and kieran's take on that

[atomic zealot]

Btw implementing multiplayer components ain't easy...game dev ain't easy and takes a lot of time, one of may main chritisisim was they focused way you too much on the art vs actual gameplay

The "leaks" was just all art

[tardy falcon]

lessons learned? 😅

[atomic zealot]

I think people would pay but the way they're doing things is bad...anyway I gotta get some sleep

[tardy falcon]

gn

[south belfry]

Been a while since I been in here and just been watching from the sidelines and can attest to the any idea was shot down and you were berated and called dumb essentially, the main issue is no one wants to pay for fuel to play a round of a game to collect limited resources the other issue being in order to be self sufficient and play for “free” is you have to fork atleast 300$ over for a t1 land and you can’t even just transfer it to your overworld so then you have to pay real life taxes on any fuel you produce and sell to the dao just to play the game

[prisma swift]

Going back to making an account for a second account for a scholar -- I don't think that actually even needs to be done right? I can just give them my main account and technically both players can play on it and nothing can be done since scholar doesn't have access to the land that is on metamask

Also, what is the token id / address for land NFT to be imported into Metamask?

[burnt viper]

Try to use the external wallet feature on Passport, I think if you add a scholar as part of external, and keep nfts in main, they can access it

[burnt viper]

Can't be imported, it isn't a token, this is an NFT in IMX/Polygon network lol

[prisma swift]

Is there a way to see if my land is actually on my MM? I've transferred it out of passport.

[prisma swift]

Interesting. I thought even on passport they still need to authenticate for transactions from MM even if its linked.

[stoic rapids]

fuel at 0 would be great if that was what was necessary to go viral - if we get over a critical mass on the demand side then prices will rise again and the game makes income

but i'm not convinced people would play OW / arena in their current state even if they were free 😬

[burnt viper]

Tell me how it goes, I think it's only access, but if they want to power to sell or transfer the NFT, they can't since they aren't main passport wallet

[tardy falcon]

yup... needs the things

[stoic rapids]

honestly OW could be pretty fun if it was 1) multiplayer with limited time, so players were competing for resources/illuvials, 2) the illuvials fought back instead of running, like in palworld

[south belfry]

Only 80000 more lands to sell too lol

[tardy falcon]

and you know... landowners do have power still despite being 5/95

if no landowner listed fuel at all then the market price would be at top rail indefinitely

[south belfry]

When the rest of the land gets sold tier 1 will prob be 20$ a plot

That was the whole design of the 95/5 to limit land owner power

[foggy sage]

Only problem with that is fuel will be lost cause you cant hold an infinite amount but maybe that is requires

[south belfry]

Pretty much defeats a free market

But gives the option for them to offload fuel to the dao

[stoic rapids]

even if we could all coordinate like that, and somehow devs didn't intervene, it'd just lower the tiny playerbase even more and ensure land was worth $0 in the long run

[south belfry]

It’d never happen that’s like trying to coordinate the auction house on world of Warcraft

There’s always an undercutter

Or someone getting rid of their stuff for nothing

[tardy falcon]

i imagine it would be done moreso to bring attention to an issue to be addressed... team wouldn't want that either. therefore if coordination could happen it would be a tool.

[south belfry]

The price would be player determined then

And people could just be like I’m not buying your fuel

[tardy falcon]

the price is essentially player determined

[south belfry]

To an extent

[stoic rapids]

devs could just ignore us and sell fuel directly at whatever price they wanted, we have 0 leverage

[tardy falcon]

currently is based on individual desire for profit... but once that dwindles there has to be some reflection on how to do things differently than individual greed.

[south belfry]

Every day extends the roi on land

To the point it will take you 20 years to re coup what you paid

And once more get released it’s pretty much a loss all across

The Dutch auction was a detriment and was a sick tactic to use on speculation

Especially for only 1/5 the land being released

[tardy falcon]

the way landowners could affect illuvium greatly is by creating a landowner subcouncil whereby landowners get behind specific issues that affect them the most. that would help with coordination and impact on the DAO.

[stoic rapids]

the roi on land is irrelevant, land goes to 0 if we don't get a big enough playerbase

if there's a large playerbase and game is making a profit, devs will make sure landowners are at least mildly profitable

[south belfry]

That’s the problem it’s not a traditional freemium game

[stoic rapids]

and at that point being the squeaky wheel might help

[quasi canyon]

So power station level doesnt change the efficiency increase??

[tardy falcon]

you'll have to forgive me... if landowners don't advocate for themselves i don't see devs doing for them

[south belfry]

In a freemium game you can get to the end with time, with this you basically have to buy fuel to get to the end

[stoic rapids]

sure, but doing it right now doesn't do anything because devs will rightfully completely ignore everything that doesn't involve increasing playerbase

[quasi canyon]

So then its only the number of power stations that increases efficiency? Why would i upgrade the power stations?

[tardy falcon]

forming a landowner union or subcouncil doesn't need to happen immediately... but it could be something that develops over time and is thoroughly thought out

[stoic rapids]

more power, when you upgrade other buildings they need more

[south belfry]

Any criticism will be brushed off and invalidated by devs even if it’s constructive and beneficial

[stoic rapids]

downside is I don't see what leverage we have

[south belfry]

I died on that hill and it was horrible

[stoic rapids]

best we can do is what, complain to news sites/influencers?

that could be relevant if they're prepping for another land sale but otherwise they can ignore it...

[south belfry]

That’s the main reason I completely stood by on land and I was gonna get a decent amount

[tardy falcon]

leverage is witholding fuel sales thereby forcing customers to pay top rail price... which they won't. that reduces sales and profit for the DAO and it will get attention.

not saying do that now and in a haphazard way... but in a concerted way in particular timing... and after a union or subcouncil is formed with specific agendas

[stoic rapids]

devs could just print fuel and sell it themselves even IF we somehow perfectly coordinated the 10k landowners

Im all for protesting if we're getting treated badly, I'm just saying it's a very uphill battle

[tardy falcon]

yep. it'll be work... but no dev gonna handhold landholders

it's an idea...

[south belfry]

Still don’t see new players coming in with the current model of t0 being boring and having to pay atleast a couple bucks to play t1 and limited to 4000 energy worth of collecting

[foggy sage]

Feels like this american capitalism but with more steps.

[south belfry]

Or atleast let the free plot generate fuel a f2p can use to travel

That can’t be sold

[tardy falcon]

im not down for that

[stoic rapids]

we need ideas to increase the playerbase 😬

[tardy falcon]

yep

[south belfry]

No ones down to buy fuel tho

You can’t expect the average gamer to spend 20+$ a week to play a game in this economy

[tardy falcon]

multiplayer, social voice chat/text chat, make ow fun

[south belfry]

People complain about 60$ games

[stoic rapids]

if the game is good, it can attract whales who buy thousands of dollars of rare illuvials and skins and etc

but it has to be fun and have a playerbase

[foggy sage]

Thats the thing is the tft os fun the rest is kinda chore and the sub systems to do the chore are also a chore ie using the website

[stoic rapids]

yeah building a team is very slow, buggy, and confusing

[torpid quail]

is there a way to transfer my stuff from zero to main game and back?

I mean Cryton Hyperion and solo

Solon

[tardy falcon]

Not yet... and it'll be one way. Can't transfer back from OW account to sell afaik

[torpid quail]

oh ok

[quaint prism]

Any reason for a landowner to mess with the F2P plot?

[foggy sage]

Yes to remember how bad it could be lok

[quaint prism]

Good to know! Do points/level reset if you reset the plot?

• For F2P that would be an obvious exploit
• For buying a paid plot it could be worth resetting certain plots

[tardy falcon]

when you reset it wipes the buildings but not the level

bad idea to wipe

[quaint prism]

Roger that, thanks! (Planning to send a plot or two to friends)

[wispy glen]

The good news is that it can't be 0, it's going to be infinitely close to 0

[spring jetty]

If the fuel price keeps dropping, ow economy will collapse as well

[wispy glen]

The economy of OW will become free

[spring jetty]

The team still hasn't stepped out and address this issue

[stoic rapids]

the issue is OW/arena playerbase, not fuel price

the question is whether fuel at 0 will attract lots of players or not

[next juniper]

Fuel will never be free. The team sets the price. The landowners are the ones setting the price lower and lower. Landowners are mainly affecting how much “bonus” fuel the buyer gets on a purchase.

[ionic wharf]

For me, a low budget player, stage 3 run would be okay if the price for the run would be half the price as it is now.

[wispy glen]

However,, there are now around 400 daily active users in OW

[nova epoch]

how do you know?

[wispy glen]

Just play the lowest score on the leaderboard

[wispy glen]

If I'm last, I know how many people are in front of me

[nova epoch]

ah I see

[next juniper]

Not sure how those daily leaderboards work but that is just for crimson waste isn’t it?

[winged lynx]

thats in crimson only and the day started only 5-6 hours ago

[next juniper]

I remember that leaderboard would glitch out before also where my points weren’t even counted. Not sure if that got fixed.

[wispy glen]

Brightland Steppes 419

[tall crypt]

Anyone know how spending Blueprints ?

[unkempt bronze]

This might be a dumb question, but i cannot figure it out. How do i sell my lands fuel? I have 3 purchased plots.

[stoic rapids]

go to the illuvidex and click on fuel exchange

[stoic rapids]

if you get arbitrarily large amounts of fuel for purchasing 1 unit of fuel it's essentially free

[next juniper]

Well. I don’t think landowners will bother collecting fuel just to sell it for zero🤷‍♂️

[stoic rapids]

well after storage runs out there's nothing else to do

[next juniper]

They will be adding the ability to use it in overworld soon. I know I wouldn’t bother even collecting it if I were going to sell it for nothing. Why bother wasting my time?

[tall crypt]

htt ps://illuvidex.illuvium.io/fuel-exchange

[unkempt bronze]

Thank you for the reply. But i dont see any kind of sell option in the fuel exchange. Only a buy option.

[stoic rapids]

it's to the right of Purchase

[gentle portal]

no more runs for me anymore in the overworld. u cant sell fuel the lowest price instantly . also u cant use ur land fuel to fuel your runs in the overworld. i guess game is really not yet ready

[stoic rapids]

fuel should be ~free in what, two weeks?

[tall crypt]

Sorry, you made a mistake. 2 and a half weeks.

[stoic rapids]

I'll mark my calendar to check out OW then 😂

[pure fable]

where is the fuel price currently? It started at 0.008 right?

[tardy falcon]

we gonna be able to make it past level 201 eventually? 👀

[cosmic river]

Hi. Anyone else have the problem does Zero quests dont count today ?

[sand radish]

i wonder if that limits is to avoid people reaching to easily the 400 tokens to buy their third worker for free.

[red patio]

I get a message „Trying to use locked resourced” when i am trying to upgrade building. Anyone knows whats going on?

[cinder fractal]

Probably you have a limit sell order for fuel

When I get biodata from scanner level2 do I need a data bank to be level2 also to store it?

[red patio]

yup, that was the case, thanks

btw did anyone manage to sell any fuel successfully on the fuel exchange? cause it seems like nobody is buiyng it - my order was still hanging there despite of lowering the price to minimum

[cinder fractal]

Because the price is still dropping so your order was not minimum for a long time

We definitely need some additional utility for fuel until we get more ow players

Once when the price is low enough some people will stop selling it and use the most for blueprints farming

[cinder fractal]

Anyone know the answer

[nocturne lodge]

You do not, however you will need a level 2 Material Lab to research it

[bleak grove]

Yes. Nothing is counted for me on the daily missions.

[cinder fractal]

Thanks, I knew about the material lab but I was not sure if I needed to upgrade databank better to save if it's not necessary

[edgy dagger]

Login in to my plot a thousand times really gets my crazy, what be so nice if the team at least could let me use the zero app a full day without being timed out

[karmic hare]

Many players apparently. This has been a problem since last Monday and the team just doesn't give a damn. lol

[cosmic river]

At least I now know that I am not an isolated case. That's a little reassuring. Thank you

[edgy dagger]

Cause everyone else get logged out every five minutes right? Not just me

[abstract dock]

That is what happens when Illuvium Zero detects no activity within that time. Or when simulated keystrokes/botting is detected. What are you up to @edgy dagger ...

If you must automate it then add the login part to your script perhaps.

Not sure it is allowed though

[hidden frigate]

What happens when you have max blueprints and scan is done? Is it like the resources where it warns you and it just stays there until you claim it?

[random siren]

we dont, using ipad

[glossy gulch]

Can the alpha blueprints used anywhere? I have all 15 of them from the alpha phase but they don’t appear in game. Is this by design?

[edgy dagger]

Not up to anything special. Just just want to click some buttons every 30 minutes to produce more fuel…. 😄 And i don’t want to login everything single time

[harsh dew]

To have the Daily chart of the Fuel price. Follow illuvihub on X ---> #🎨〕community-content message

[quiet ocean]

Hello one question can use fuel from zero to overworld?

??

Pls help me

Ok

Ty

[quick pivot]

Does anybody know where I can link my e-mail from pre-season to my imx passport account? I would like to see my playtime rewards.

[quiet ocean]

So whats the point to give money in free plot?

??

[noble willow]

I had that a few days ago, I think it was my dodgy network

[little moon]

Anyone with a land can use them

[little moon]

The team is working on it. No idea when it will be live

[quiet heath]

Hi @harsh dew just to confirm these are the median prices/ average?

Because I would really interested into the lowest / must be set above price

As when I place an order at let's say today's price 0.0000026 eth the order does not get fulfilled.

Anyway, the chart does gives us a general idea which is amazing 👏

[cerulean nest]

IMO the fuel sale system is a bit of a confusing mess atm - currently buyers are forced to purchase more than they want (bonus system) which likely reduces likelihood of future purchase, both from simply receiving more fuel for more runs, and from annoyance at having been forced to buy more than they wanted. I imagine that eventually some third-party formula will bypass the bonus system and tell buyers the amount they should 'buy' from the market to get what they actually want.

This is whilst landholders despair as not being able to sell their fuel even when listing at the literal minimum enforced by the system

I think the idea was that buyers would get an endorphin hit from the 'bonus', whereas it's probably more of a cortisol hit when they realise the system is taking them for fools

[ocean haven]

I think it might be broken
when i got fuel on day one, i got 500 fuel for 5$, bought almost everyday to follow the development and it gotten cheaper and cheaper
when i checked yesterday it was about 4$ for 1100 fuel thats more then 50% decline

[inland shore]

Yeah my fuel won’t sell at average prices

Really regretting my time and money invested in zero

[radiant sky]

small adjustements to the UI and everyone will be happy i think.
fingers crossed they actually do those adjustments 🙂

[harsh dew]

Might be related with the amount of Fuel sell that the lands owners are putting on. Once their order has been filled price move to the enxt order and maybe it's most costy that's why the price is moving.

[dry otter]

Tokentrove

[versed vault]

what are the odds of a wipe occuring?

[prime loom]

So now that fuel's done...what exactly does a T4 land purchaser get for $6-8k moving forward once the blueprints run out? Host a gym...maybe..?

[quiet heath]

Where can I submit a possible bug on the Fuel Exchange?

[unique musk]

Trying to connect with illuvium zéro since the Launch simply impossible… cannot Access the Account I played for thé last two years. Cannot access my Land. This is just a pièce of sh… and a terrible Launch. Waiting for Support to answer for thé last three weeks!!!!

[hardy brook]

I'm assuming we all stopped leveling at 201 and that it isn't just me?

[polar cosmos]

please do something to make it work... the whole previous week is gone ;\

[digital wasp]

I haven't received 4680 points yet either. doesn't seem to be a high priority, which I think is unfair

[heady marten]

Migrate your land over

[hazy tartan]

I view it as “sell for x price get your ‘bonus’ from purchase to equal near amount you sold” if you sold 5000 for say 12 dollars you can then take that 12 dollars and get around 5000 accounting for bonus estimate

[dry otter]

Try tokentrove

[harsh dew]

What is the bonus on upgrading the Materials Lab ?

[radiant sky]

You can research higher Tier biodata

[radiant sky]

Did you create a passport Account?
Did you link your wallet to your passport Account?

[pearl sparrow]

As a Tier 1 landowner, I'm curious why leveling up my power plant doesn't seem to improve anything. 😄 Also, why is it necessary to have 18 power plants to maximize the production of my converter?

[radiant sky]

Levelling up your power plant increases it's power production

[unique musk]

@radiant sky i did. But now I do not see anything even my lands. I always connectes with metamask but now It Like I have nothing

[pearl sparrow]

exactly, but why do i need additional powerplant then? shouldn't it cover the needed power to improve % production?

[radiant sky]

did you link your wallet which has your land on to your passport account?

Guide:
https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10406704244495-How-to-add-an-External-Wallet-to-your-Passport-Account

[radiant sky]

power you need so your buildings can work
efficiency you need to increase the output.

Just power increases with leveling up your power stations, efficiency stays the same for each level of the power station

[thorny sentinel]

how do u mint blueprints? ive got some blueprint from material lab research already but its not shown in my account

[unique musk]

@radiant sky yes I did. And now it s like I have no lands nothing. I did not sale or do anything. And no I did not give my wallet password. I don’t t get it

I also had blueprints but nothing more

[hollow shoal]

So duplicate biodata just erase?

[fierce ice]

you reckon a 1% increase for power station's efficiency (per lvl) is a good idea?

[fossil citrus]

Does any1 have their Zero missions completed? I'm scanning / converting / extracting nothing is giving me season points 😐

[radiant sky]

not sure if 1% is good, but i feel aswell it needs some rework

powerstations weren't the problem, converter were.
and they countered it with nerfing converters, not powerstations.

[tardy falcon]

Funny thing is that looks prettier than what we have to do with power stations and converters now... you had what 27 converters there? I got 16 on my land now, mostly at max efficiency or close to it. Not that different.

And I agree that power station meta is here to stay cuz of path bonus.

[tardy falcon]

remember when fuel converters got you like 5x resources from passive and conversion XD

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-i-didnt-forget-i-remembered-i-know-im-aware-aware-gif-15177985

[edgy dagger]

How often do you get logged out?

[radiant sky]

yes, can't do that now.

• converters receive just 5% effiency, not like extractors 10%
• Converters punish each other more with -60%efficiency if right next to each other, compared to the -30% before.
• Conversions are barely profitable now

I would rather call that a converter nerf, than a powerstation nerf. 🙂

no, not really

[versed vault]

is there a place to advertise lands for sale?

[radiant sky]

it's not an opinion.
extractors act with the efficiency system from powerstations exactly like it did in alpha.
just converters got changed 😄

[versed vault]

can't seem to post screenshot of my land in there. do I need a role for that?

[radiant sky]

you need ranger role for that (lvl 5 in discord)
get level up with posting in this discord
can check rank in #👑〕bot-commands

[versed vault]

I'll work on that 😏

[foggy sage]

Please avoid repeatedly spamming survival missions, as this can lead to encountering Error Code 500, which may lock you out of your account. Currently, the developers have not provided a solution for this issue. Consider this a cautionary note: proceed with survival and arena modes at your own discretion.

[nova epoch]

yea this was sad, I didnt use the fuel for the OW because of this quest, but it didnt work

[last tiger]

I have the same problem

[last tiger]

I think they will have a solution for this problem we just have to wait, but it's annoying cuz more than half of the plot is powerstations and with my current build I don't even have space for scanners or other things

[green spade]

what is the deal with selling fuel rn

is the play to just blindly undercut for now?

[cerulean nest]

If you want to sell anything, yup

Keep in mind also that large orders will be undercut before they complete, maybe this is game number 4?

Anyone know how often or upon which circumstances the minimum allowed sell price decreases?

[green spade]

is the only fuel thats selling the lowest possible price?

[cerulean nest]

It's not really blind though, as supply > demand so we're constantly at the lowest allowable sale price

[cerulean nest]

Assuming that lowest price sale orders fill first as would be expected from any non-rigged system, yes

Check out the ledger to see current sale listings (although you can't see the exact price due to rounding)

Now that additional lands will be generating fuel after secondary wallet support, supply is increasing even more - not really aware of anything likely to increase demand until maybe Gamescom?

[green spade]

price going down should increase the amount of fuel burned

[uneven pulsar]

i think next year

when will be ready mobil OW+ARENA

[cerulean nest]

It will go as low as to be relative to how much people value the assets from overworld, and who knows where that is

[uneven pulsar]

ow on mobile will be incrase a lot of new players

[green spade]

ow on mobile sounds like a bad experience

[uneven pulsar]

do ypu have link on road map guys?

[hazy tartan]

Arena on mobile absolute no brainer

Yeah it seems like a layup, it’s perfectly set up for mobile use and would easily be adoptable

The interesting part is would you need OW and to actively use it to use mobile arena?

Obviously you’d need a free rotation and it gets stagnant, but how does that free player ever translate to paid

[wicked horizon]

Anyone else have a singularity scanner that isn’t counting down?

Hasn’t gotten closer to being complete for days

Also none of the “missions” for zero appear to be tracking my progress, same for anyone else?

[upbeat drift]

why is the floor of the fuel constantly dropping?

[stuck vine]

How can increase efficient of scanner ?

[stoic rapids]

supply of fuel >>> demand for fuel

[upbeat drift]

we have a max price for the fuel but not a floor price for it?from the game i mean

[mossy sorrel]

nope.. max price is so the game doesn't get too ridiculously expensive to play, no bottom allows for price discovery based on demand

[stoic rapids]

put it in a corner away from all other buildings (except power stations)

[rose thicket]

@indigo coral we proactively conversed with you and Blickter in the drafting of IIP64. Given the proposal received 100% upvote, 100% ICC approval, and is the product of Landholders that have bought over 500 plots from the DAO, I found the rationale for denial trite. IIP64 supplied a strongly embraced and common sense proposal. Instead, what we are left with constant speculation as Landholders, negative sentiment, and plummeting NFT values. By not working on constructive path to address the specific issues raised in IIP64 we are creating a daily liability for the mods such as @radiant sky to burden. Clearly, the community and the ICC saw value in IPP64, and to dismiss it is a disservice to the DAO.

[inland shore]

fuel is so cheap lol

All this waiting for Zero over years and the cost of the land had far exceeded any recoupment. Gonna take years to break even.

[stoic rapids]

it gets cheaper every day lol

well, land will be worth 0 if we don't get paying OW/arena users

[inland shore]

Gonna get even worse when land can be mined by scholars

[stoic rapids]

the question is whether people are willing to play OW/arena when fuel is effectively free. hope the answer is yes

[mental wing]

I just think there needs to be a lot more clarity for land owners..... I cant even sell my fuel and I spent thousands.... there needs to be CLARITY on FUEL!

[inland shore]

They probably making more money of land owners buying credits than anything else

[indigo coral]

I would have been supportive of a proposal asking for labs to in an appropriate medium sharing information that is accessible for players while playing the game.
Your proposal isn’t that though, it clearly would treat a game not as a game.

[upbeat drift]

i think the team needs to adress about ilv zero players problems...what is the end game?making more fuel and battling each other on the lowest price?

and what about that 95% of the fuel that is sold by the team?i remember we should get a cut from that?distributed to all land owners that produce fuel

[stuck vine]

The power not help increase efficient scanner

[rose thicket]

I respect you and have minimal knowledge of the DAO/Labs relationship. Can we work on something that constructively can help us that is meaningful? This is all I or the contributors seek.

[mossy sorrel]

it needs to be kept away from other buildings.. and it only goes up to 100%

[stuck vine]

so 100% is max of scanner ?

not 150%

[mossy sorrel]

just 100 max

[upbeat drift]

and what about that 95% of the fuel that is sold by the team?i remember we should get a cut from that?distributed to all land owners that produce fuel

[mossy sorrel]

what the hell is this.... did you think land owners will be making 100% of the fuel while the company makes nothing?

[rose thicket]

@indigo coral will send you a DM

[indigo coral]

Like you mentioned above, we did converse before and you did not like my perspective of the proposal is asking for patchnotes or similar that would detail the things players would otherwise figure out via playing the game, and that you are asking for that information to be made available in a single spot.
You decided to keep all the language that is treating a game closer to a security than to a game, that part I won’t approve of.

[mossy sorrel]

the original intent was exactly this, they sell 95% while you sell 5%, your cut is 5%

[mortal mural]

how is people selling below the minimum market standard?

[mossy sorrel]

if you sell fuel, that's what you get... unless landowners supply isn't enough to meet depand and the company sells more than 95%, they will redistribute the extra percentage to landowners who sold fuel

[stuck vine]

My land TIER 2 have 5 crystal deposit in map but when the game only have 4 crystal deposit ?? how can fix that

[indigo coral]

If the IIP would say Labs should make it a high priority to share via medium of their choosing (e.g. article, patchnotes, blog post,etc.), all data players would obtain via regular gameplay, so e.g. building cost/production numbers. I’d be supportive of that.

[mossy sorrel]

one's probably blocked by a buildings... check behind buildings, you should be able to see it

[cerulean nest]

So what's the qualification for 'amendments required' as apposed to flat-out rejection. The rejection sends a bad message when it's pretty obvious that game mechanics being kept 'secret' forcing users to collate it themselves is just pointlessly annoying.

[stuck vine]

i have been check many time try build more mine but cant find this

i have been play to LV7 NExus

[mossy sorrel]

what's your plot number?

[stuck vine]

Plot 11898

[rose thicket]

Good to go. Happy to copy and paste it in. @potent dock had significant input in modifying the "securities" language, as you can see in Google Docs. We made heavy modifications to the copy so it would be accommodated. Happy to refine it some more.

[mossy sorrel]

which deposit are you missing?

[indigo coral]

I understand the core of this IIP was to not treat IZ as a game and closer to how securities are treated, changing that entirely would in my opinion require the community to upvote a new IIP.

[stuck vine]

i lost the crystal deposit i left of outcrop

[mossy sorrel]

@stuck vinemaybe post a screenshot of your land, we may be able to help you find

[stuck vine]

i cant post screenshot in this channel

[indigo coral]

I can’t speak for others, but I am happy to give feedback to a new IIP, you can dm it to me, share in feedback ideas or post the new IIP directly.

[lethal wyvern]

DMs are scams

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Never trust advice or links received in DMs.

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Please follow the instructions pinned in #report-scammers to report bad actors so we can remove them from the server.

[mossy sorrel]

do you have a big building possibly blocking it from site?

[stuck vine]

no i have try to find many time

[mossy sorrel]

hm.. i've heard of many having element nodes hidden behind buildings in here... never one that was really lost... sorry can't help you with that then...

[stuck vine]

can i send screenshot to your account

[rose thicket]

Thanks @indigo coral. I will DM when drafted and going to invite the entire IMC to provide their input prior to posting the proposal this time. Will be revealing and interesting to us Landholders who engages.

[cerulean nest]

@rose thicket Ok so I guess just do a separate proposal to require them to publish game mechanics and interactions etc and keep this updated after patches etc. Can do a separate one later to manage how labs currently have the ability to unilaterally make huge changes to fuel production etc without it having to pass through councils.

[rose thicket]

We welcome additional contributors. This is far from MY proposal. Would you like to be involved?

Let me be clear: we want a proposal that represents the diverse views of the Landholders and can help us all take a constructive step forward. I think we can all agree concern for progress is warranted at this stage.

[cerulean nest]

I understand, though I don't think I'd have time or any additional ideas to add beyond input that it's clear the main council can't handle proposals that don't concern only specific issues in isolation.

[rose thicket]

I cannot argue to the contrary. I do think Landholders have a lot of work ahead of us with Epoch 10 if this ship is going to turn around. IIP64 was the most basic of my concerns.

[prime loom]

Not sure why Keiran said the goal for landholders is 50% ROI...I'd even take 15-20% at this point. Otherwise you're just buying a $8k T4 to click around and host gyms whatever that means

[cerulean nest]

Indeed, although there is a certain value in it not being too easy to steamroll such changes through, from a project security and longevity viewpoint at least. However, anyone that is concerned with this topic should know to make their own assessments of this and vote accordingly in the current IMC election

[inland shore]

He said only 50%?…. Over what time? 40 years?

[uneven pulsar]

right questions about tier. what is tier should have 50% ROI)

[prime loom]

In an AMA he said 2 years to make the average purchase price back, so yeah 50% a year

[stoic rapids]

in order to have any ROI at all we have to have paying OW/arena users

[inland shore]

Right question is timeline

[inland shore]

Big Time had a 3 month 100% ROI when they released

[uneven pulsar]

no) if t4 50% so than t1 5%roi

20 yeares roi t1)

[inland shore]

Your are arguing for argument sake. Timeline for all tiers matter. Also nobody is getting 50% ROI over a year at this rate. Major changes are needed

[stoic rapids]

we need to 20x+ paying users in OW/arena

[uneven pulsar]

yeap or hear meaning about it

[stoic rapids]

or all our land is worth nothing

because studio doesn't have money to support itself

[uneven pulsar]

does illuviom earn something with dao 95/5?

[stoic rapids]

hamster summed it up better than I could

[devout panther]

Hi everyone, what can I get with plant clear?

[stoic rapids]

it gives you some carbon/silicon/hydrogen resources

[devout panther]

Thanks for the answer

Should be intresting have other things

[wraith surge]

Where can I view my land plots ?

I've done that. It says I have zero assests

I should have 3 land plots

I just logged out of my passport. And all my assets have reappeared

Thank God. I'm assuming I need to transfer them in

[blazing ferry]

you need to transfer everything you want to use in, except for land. Land you can link to your non-passport wallet now as of the last couple announcements (follow those links) if you want to keep it secure

[drowsy locust]

Is there a guide how to buy land in illuvium zero - there is plenty from first land sale but could not find any after public land sale ???

[rose thicket]

I will say @radiant sky has done Landholders a great service for years. If you hold these NFTs you might want to vote accordingly.

[keen dirge]

I can't sell my fuel, this has been going on for over 3 days.

[velvet ember]

Oh! I thought it's just me, I actually submitted a bug report. Has this been answered by the devs?

[wraith surge]

Explain to me like I'm 5. Why would I want to transfer in?

I seems risky transferring all my assets disks, nfts to my passport

[inland shore]

lol we overpaid for land so badly

[atomic zealot]

Fuel prices plummeted just bought fuel for .0000026eth...

[inland shore]

Maybe it was meant to be "Illuvium go to Zero" and I misread when i bought land

[atomic zealot]

LOL

[keen dirge]

I placed a sell order at a much lower value, only about $0.005. But still couldn't sell.

[inland shore]

dang

[radiant sky]

did you link your wallet which has your land on to your passport account?

Guide:
https://illuvium.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/10406704244495-How-to-add-an-External-Wallet-to-your-Passport-Account

[atomic zealot]

Offff

[wraith surge]

Nah I haven't

[atomic zealot]

Is the studio talking about this?

[radiant sky]

as soon as you linked your wallet to your passport you should be good to go with your lands.
All other assets still need to be on your passport for now, but the feature should be expanded soon, so it works for other assets aswell.

[radiant sky]

https://tenor.com/view/vote-obama-your-vote-matters-go-vote-vote-or-die-gif-5111894

[flat steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-severus-snape-snape-alan-rickman-indeed-gif-4496555

[wraith surge]

Why do I need to transfer my assets?

What good is having my unopened disks, blueprints

[keen dirge]

i asked for support, or at least tell me the reason. but for the past 3 days, i haven't received any response, not just me. many people can't sell fuel either

[radiant sky]

cause the read only access just works for land for now i would assume

[atomic zealot]

I'm worried that the answer is that there's simply no demand

[radiant sky]

you also don't necessarily need to transfer them. If you don't use them anyway, there's no point in migrating assets. 🙂

[inland shore]

I'm glad i didn't purchase credits taking even more of a loss

[wraith surge]

Last question Spoon. I didn't receive airdrop points is that because I haven't transferred my illuvials over or something?

[velvet ember]

hi team, I stopped leveling up when I reach level 210. Is this a bug? the number be,ow doesn't move even if I gain more XP.

[keen dirge]

bad for a AAA game.

I bought ilv since 2021

[flat steeple]

That damn Hamster is out roaming around again

[radiant sky]

if you talking about preseason 1 and 2, you need to create your passport account with the same e-mail you used for testnet

[wraith surge]

Yeah I have the same email

[radiant sky]

seems to be the max level for everyone. Not sure it's a bug, sounded more like it's intended.

[radiant sky]

and it shows 0 points on both seasons?

[wraith surge]

Yeah.

I smashed out season 1. Didn't play much of season 2

But I completed some of the sets

[radiant sky]

would you submit a report about the missing airdrop points by pressing B in game.
But not a bug report. Make it a payment error report
So press B in game. Submit a PAYMENT ERROR report.

[wraith surge]

Thanks Spoon will do

[flat steeple]

On my way to build 50 power stations. As the game was intended to be played

[wraith surge]

Just to be clear. Everyone playing zero right now has transferred their land from their cold wallet to passport?

[flat steeple]

Within minutes of Zero going live. I believe now you can link your cold wallet and play that way

[blazing ferry]

They needed to originally, but no longer do

[blazing ferry]

Keep land in your cold wallet now, just follow the instructions Dr. Spoon linked. It shows how to link your passport account to your cold wallet with the land NFTs in it. Then you can play

So you will have a passport wallet still, as your primary wallet for Illuvium. Make sure that is setup first

Then on your account you link the cold wallet

[wraith surge]

Report Submitted ✅

[spring void]

Should I let plants grow or clear them right away and are converters still useful if we have all the elements on our plot?

[inland shore]

Interesting to see land value get reduced by half upon it going live

[spiral ravine]

Hi Guys, i have built L Crypton Collider, antiSolon inverter and Hyperion lathe at least 2 hours ago but i can't see any fuel chargin! They are close to power stations and have electricity so what's the problem?

[foggy bison]

Yeah, 2h 12 m to go for me.😎

[foggy bison]

Converters take 288 hours to passively create about 6-8 fuel. I can generally get 1 or 2 about every day or so depending on Efficiency.

[spiral ravine]

Oh ok so how can i increase efficiency? Building other power stations?

[foggy bison]

Yes, and it takes a lot of them!

[radiant sky]

Yes

[spiral ravine]

Ok thank you very much

[spiral ravine]

Thank you!

[polar cosmos]

any update about missions dashboard and counting points?