will be interesting to see how the market develops
#💬〕general
hearty veldt
yea, seems unlikely, probably right
though ILV is a saver bet, since you might buy Luvi's which are gonna decrease in price, and only a few will moon probably
probably gonna focus on ranked when this game comes out and get a good feel for the meta's and try to gain an edge in the market that way, getting to know what is valued and what not, though in ranked with all stats being equalised I guess only the luvi's themselves matter which are plenty in supply
yea, but then you'd need to buy in quantity instead of quality, seeing how it doesn't matter if you have a perfect stats luvi or the worse trash so all luvi's are equally applicable
unless you want to play Leviathan
I wonder how popular that mode will be
hearty veldt
ha yea, diversify investment
though, coming back to the gameplay, it definitely helps to get a grasp of how positioning works, in which case turbo modes might be more like Illuvium, these are faster modes
exotic onyx
Oh - used to play clash of clans...Similar?
hearty veldt
but, the main gameplay probably revolves around drafting
yea it is from Clash of Clans IP
exotic onyx
ore completely different?
hearty veldt
you have Mini's (miniature minions from clash world) which you place on a board
and then they automatically fight
wind forge
50000 per ilv
exotic onyx
Whats TFT?
wind forge
If that would happen Ami then Ill send You lambo
hearty veldt
I am trying to think of a good draft game where you go tit-for-tat, I could see Gwent actually be somewhat similar in philosophy
In Gwent you each take a turn to play a card and interact with the board, which I assume Illuvium is gonna be somewhat the same, you pick an Illuvium and place it on the board
red geyser
Lol insane brains in here this morning
wind forge
What MC would be 50k per?
hearty veldt
but honestly, I think time investment wise, it will be much more fruitful to play Illuvium rather than these games, if you wanna learn to play, so wouldn't bother unless you actually enjoy playing them
wind forge
5b?
red geyser
I feel like 5tril but that’s not real math
next surge
It would have to be the biggest crypto
humble wave
I wont leave here until we overtake Blizzards Mcap
Haha I would love to see that too 😂
tame solar
forget p2e
wind forge
I wont leave here until we overtake Blizzards Mcap
I hope that would happen only because ilv pumping and not blizzard dumping
😂😂
Atm I think 2nd is more possible
😂
tame solar
Illuvium is pokemon regenesis
next surge
red geyser
But that’s with only the current circulation right?
tame solar
Not sellng until Kieran announces 5th game on E3
sage falcon
If you have time and don't mind, go give @cinder oasis a vote.
https://crbn.social/CarbonPolls/post/60d9b8c1be70941baf7fdf70
tame solar
10 ILV = reasonably sized house
red geyser
Not sellng until Kieran announces 5th game on E3
He will be an old man 👴🏽
tame solar
He will be an old man 👴🏽
this is FUD
red geyser
Yeah
tame solar
unless you call 30's old
red geyser
Burgers age someone quickly
real tiger
ILV $65+ by end of the week
I want 300 before open beta at least
hollow drum
^^^
next surge
formal oar
my attitude has never changed. lol.
wind forge
Imagine us next week when it's going to be 29$ 😂😂
next surge
If you can deal with short temporary losses then its fine
next surge
Imagine us next week when it's going to be 29$ 😂😂
Well then id just buy more
real tiger
If u dont hold the losses u dont deserve the 10x
real tiger
Whatever x it will be :p
hollow drum
They held through the bottom
red crater
fuark
hollow drum
We deserve the 10X
twilit talon
Only the die hard believers HODL
lofty knoll
Imagine us next week when it's going to be 29$ 😂😂
Please. But not happening
wind forge
Ye im just holding too but our attitude is just golden 😄
wind forge
😄 😄
next surge
Like selling at a loss
Nice
But never me
Not in this game
3000 is like a 3bn market cap isnt it
2-3bn
humble wave
When EOM? 😂 I can literally count the seconds.
formal oar
they are going to troll us and it will legit be EOM. on the last second of the 30th.
humble wave
they are going to troll us and it will legit be EOM. on the last second of the 3...
WHEN? I'm dying here XD
humble wave
apparently many have withdrawn from XYZ. the APY dropped af
next surge
Maybe they are staking instead
tame solar
APY dropped because price of ILV increased
humble wave
APY dropped because price of ILV increased
ah that could be too
still free money is sweet 😄
oblique slate
@little flax abandoned us guys, he's saving all his leaks for himself
red geyser
apparently many have withdrawn from XYZ. the APY dropped af
XYZ APY would go up if people leave the XYZ pool.
It’s been a great test run for those of us farming for the first time. But pregame is just about over. Now I think I’m ready for the real thing.
humble wave
It’s been a great test run for those of us farming for the first time. But prega...
2 days maybe? I still want to know if I should leave XYZ or not. I'd like to do it while gas is cheap
red geyser
It’ll be like what 80,000 ilv in the ETH/ILV to be distributed over the first 2 weeks. And 20,000ilv to be distributed in the ILV only. Compare that to the APR in the XYZ that’s giving out 500,000xyz each week. (remember APR is calculated from USD value)
red geyser
2 days maybe? I still want to know if I should leave XYZ or not. I'd like to do ...
I was dumb and left the XYZ pool for a bit last week (don’t ask just dumb) and the cost was way low. From what I remember The maximum gwei count to get into the pool was much higher than the exit transaction.
humble wave
I was dumb and left the XYZ pool for a bit last week (don’t ask just dumb) and t...
Hmmm. So I’ll wait for the announcement then. Hope they don’t break the net 😂
red geyser
Hmmm. So I’ll wait for the announcement then. Hope they don’t break the net 😂
Haha there’s not that many ILV holders yet.
twilit junco
I'll wait for the announcement but I probably stick to my single ILV staking decision. 1) Don't have the money to pair my $ILV with enough $ETH. 2) Don't want to sell any $ILV and 3) I see ILV outperform ETH too heavily and I'm terrified to end up with primarily ETH 😄
humble wave
Haha there’s not that many ILV holders yet.
Yeah. 😂 XYZ broke the ETH network. Don't wanna see that again
humble wave
I'll wait for the announcement but I probably stick to my single ILV staking dec...
Imagine we're saying “NO we don't want ETH” 😁 not a shitcoin. It's ETH we're talking about
twilit junco
😄
red geyser
Yeah. 😂 XYZ broke the ETH network. Don't wanna see that again
You can always setup the transaction and see what it’d cost and then never run/confirm it
modest pelican
I'll wait for the announcement but I probably stick to my single ILV staking dec...
wondering if anyone has considered jumping into both by splitting your ilv. 50% in single sided and 25/25 eth/ilv. kind of similar to DCA without time aspect, you go both routes so you won’t miss out if one of them is much more advantageous than the other
twilit junco
Some have talked about that approach yeah. I did consider it too but somehow don't want to pay gas twice when claiming etc 😄
twilit junco
Also...with the amount of $ILV I own (and will hopefully add on to), plus the money being made by playing a ton myself....if ILV actually reaches just parts of those numbers thrown around here...then I'm golden and absolutely fine, if another pool could have yielded more 😄
idle terrace
wondering if anyone has considered jumping into both by splitting your ilv. 50% ...
Im doing 33% stake, 33%ILV and 33% ETH for LP. Haven’t decided on the lock time yet tho
And as I add ILV over time, I’ll probably just stake it
twilit talon
@red geyser How do we collect the prize for the meme contest. Not won anything before not sure what to do.
humble wave
You can always setup the transaction and see what it’d cost and then never run/c...
Yeah I know. It's the opportunity you might miss
modest pelican
Im doing 33% stake, 33%ILV and 33% ETH for LP. Haven’t decided on the lock time ...
sounds like a solid plan. single sided seems to appeal to most but it’s advantageous to have as many LPs as possible so can’t help but think rewards will be much deeper for LP
idle terrace
sounds like a solid plan. single sided seems to appeal to most but it’s advantag...
Snx flash pool will also probably be a rly high yield while it’s available, who knows
modest pelican
and that they want to make sure no one has bitter experience with il
humble wave
Im doing 33% stake, 33%ILV and 33% ETH for LP. Haven’t decided on the lock time ...
That's what I was thinking about. I might do both pools. More in the single staking one though as I cannot diversify that much
idle terrace
I’m very bullish on ETH so I’m fine with putting a good % in LP. If I thought ILV will straight kill ETH in gains, I’d just stake everything
red geyser
What’s getting me is that the rewards all get locked in the single asset pool at 2x weight once they are claimed/vested
humble wave
What’s getting me is that the rewards all get locked in the single asset pool at...
Yeah. You have to press claim though, or they will not be subject to the 2X weight
idle terrace
What’s getting me is that the rewards all get locked in the single asset pool at...
Yeah tempted to just lock it for a year and just not open my eyes for a year but idk. Probably will do 6-9 months.
Hard to commit without seeing gameplay for me personally but everyone is different
hollow drum
Also...with the amount of $ILV I own (and will hopefully add on to), plus the mo...
good call, I think I am going with Staking too
humble wave
For now, even without any gameplay it announcements, ILV is outperforming ETH. You can sell some for ETH to have it ready for LP
idle terrace
For now, even without any gameplay it announcements, ILV is outperforming ETH. Y...
In the last week sure. ETH outperformed ILV for the 2-3 months prior.
red geyser
Yeah. You have to press claim though, or they will not be subject to the 2X weig...
I believe the 12 month lockup doesn’t even start until you claim.
red geyser
I believe the 12 month lockup doesn’t even start until you claim.
Like it’s not earning anything till after you claim
humble wave
In the last week sure. ETH outperformed ILV for the 2-3 months prior.
Yeah. But ILV had nothing to offer. It'll be (probably) a game changer when it does
idle terrace
Yeah that’s the bet.
humble wave
I believe the 12 month lockup doesn’t even start until you claim.
I think you can press claim when ever you want, then the reward is moved to the single asset pool and stay locked for a year.
red geyser
I think you can press claim when ever you want, then the reward is moved to the ...
Exactly
humble wave
Yeah that’s the bet.
So the moment you see ILV outperforming ETH you cab sell some to get even more ETH. I like ETH a lot and regret not having bought at $500 😫
idle terrace
The yield is really nice but that’s also downward pressure on the price as the supply is diluted. Even tho they’re locked, I think it will still have an impact but what the fuck do I know! Lol
red geyser
The yield is really nice but that’s also downward pressure on the price as the s...
Only a perception mechanic I’d think. Though there may be a smaller actual downward impact as farmers pull ILV to go to different projects. But what dumbie would ever do that?!?!
idle terrace
Locking ur funds is always scary. If Nintendo announces an nft Pokémon based game 6 months from now, we could have a bad time. I don’t think they’ll do that but these are the things I think about in the shower. Lol
lofty knoll
they are going to troll us and it will legit be EOM. on the last second of the 3...
Thats what y'all gets for wen
idle terrace
Thats what y'all gets for wen
U ass said it was coming last week so I don’t wanna hear it.
wind forge
Soon
lofty knoll
Locking ur funds is always scary. If Nintendo announces an nft Pokémon based gam...
Nintendo is like 10 years behind
No worries
idle terrace
Nintendo is like 10 years behind
They’re online service is still worse than OG Xbox live so I’m not too concerned there.
wind forge
Terminology here
soon - week up to month, pretty soon - up to week, while - up to 12h 😄
rich terrace
Based on the recent Pokemon games, that might actually be a good thing for us. They're so shit angry fans might jump ship
hybrid finch
still no YF article 
formal oar
Nintendo is like 10 years behind
lol I just saw a really funny tiktok about nintendo, need to dig it up.
red geyser
still no YF article <:monkaS:644299925353529354>
Hmm 🤔 maybe it’s 🏗
tame solar
Based on the recent Pokemon games, that might actually be a good thing for us. T...
Don't remind me
I've already jumped ship
Once ILV is out just go on reddit and make a post about it
"here is your pokemon game youve been hoping for"
rich terrace
I @rich terrace the bestest core contributor have pled with the Overlords regarding a YF article.
lofty knoll
Some have talked about that approach yeah. I did consider it too but somehow don...
I don't believe you pay gas twice btw. Since your rewards from both pools are pooling together and both once claimed go to the same place. So only 1 transaction to claim and it puts it in the single asset pool.
rich terrace
So it might be tomorrow- but no promises.
next surge
What pool are people doing
lofty knoll
Hahahha good Ben
idle terrace
I personally enjoy the personality differences between Kieran and Aaron lmao
plain delta
I don't believe you pay gas twice btw. Since your rewards from both pools are po...
I believe that's right, however the complexity of the transaction might make it a bit more gas than a simple swap. But I'll confirm with Pedro.
twilit junco
I don't believe you pay gas twice btw. Since your rewards from both pools are po...
Hmm, that would be interesting. That leaves the problem of no money for ETH unless I sell some ILV 🤔
lofty knoll
I believe that's right, however the complexity of the transaction might make it ...
I believe it will be a little more gas than a regular claim yea but less than claim and stake seperatly
plain delta
Also sorry guys, I finished it before the weekend but didn't get all the links inside it done. Then just been smashed by other work today. Haven't stopped since this morning (it's almost the next this morning)
Mods have seen it though. And they have said it's 'pretty ok'.
lofty knoll
Pretty ok 
plain delta
But if it isn't clear in some ways then I'll get the mods to compile questions and I'll edit it to match.
formal oar
I wondered why you were still up. ❤️ go to sleep!
lofty knoll
Yea we will help with questions anyway
plain delta
Try and upgrade it to 'sorta not too shabby'
idle terrace
The mods in here would probably drink ur bath water so “pretty ok” won’t do.
idle terrace
Lmao
rich terrace
I personally enjoy the personality differences between Kieran and Aaron lmao
tell us more about how you picture them. If you were to caricature them.
formal oar
hollow drum
When something is shit I say it
This is why you are my councilman
plain delta
When something is shit I say it
This is true, and I like that.
hollow drum
big ups
humble wave
Hmm, that would be interesting. That leaves the problem of no money for ETH unle...
I'll be doing that. Targeting both pools probably
idle terrace
tell us more about how you picture them. If you were to caricature them.
I’ll get back to u on that
lofty knoll
Kieran = Achilles, Aaron = Paris
twilit junco
I'll be doing that. Targeting both pools probably
Gonna wait for the article and decide then. Still leaning towards single staking
humble wave
Gonna wait for the article and decide then. Still leaning towards single staking
Yep. That is true
$60 tonight?
near pier
$60 tonight?
FUD
hollow drum
60$ is FUD
$100 by end of first month of staking
once ppl see the yield
they will understand
humble wave
60$ is FUD
I meant tonight. As in 4 hours 😂
fierce vine
fuck off with that
hollow drum
fuck off with that
AHHA
near pier
I meant tonight. As in 4 hours 😂
Oh tonight for me is like 12 hours lol
fierce vine
tyvm
hollow drum
not like anyone listens to me anyway
fierce vine
pretty sure my bank thinks I'm trying to hack my own account with how often I check my balance
hollow drum
LMAOOO
humble wave
Oh tonight for me is like 12 hours lol
Haha. True 😂 do we have anyone from eastern Asia? Or Asia all together? (except this humble person )
hollow drum
Haha. True 😂 do we have anyone from eastern Asia? Or Asia all together? (excep...
Ya Im in Canada so 12 hrs for me too
humble wave
pretty sure my bank thinks I'm trying to hack my own account with how often I ch...
Next time take a shotgun and enter the branch and show them who's the boss 😁
fierce vine
Next time take a shotgun and enter the branch and show them who's the boss 😁
I heard about some crackhead doing that down town, I'll ask how it went
humble wave
Ya Im in Canada so 12 hrs for me too
Yeah but my question is if we have people from Asia or Africa here.
fierce vine
We should have both
humble wave
I heard about some crackhead doing that down town, I'll ask how it went
You should do that. It'll solve your problem in a sec
hollow drum
I could probably try to promote Illuvium on my school campus
plain delta
Kieran = Achilles, Aaron = Paris
This tracks. Parent's abandoned me when I was a kid. It didn't stick though.
fierce vine
Kieran = Achilles, Aaron = Paris
I was thinking Nero for Aaron
humble wave
This tracks. Parent's abandoned me when I was a kid. It didn't stick though.
Tough childhood 😁
humble wave
lots of Foreign students
Gaming brings people closer to one another as banks divide them. 😁
hollow drum
Facts
idle terrace
Gaming brings people closer to one another as banks divide them. 😁
U never played overcooked?
humble wave
U never played overcooked?
Nope. Weird name though. 😁
plain delta
Tough childhood 😁
Easier than for @inner topaz
humble wave
Easier than for <@!770826457923715082>
Well. If having a rough childhood means brothers get to creat something cool, I think I'll throw my child (if any) off the balcony 😂
humble wave
So that means <@!353684461625409537> saw some cool stuff and he didn't shill any...
Busted 😁
marble oyster
bast*
twilit talon
Yup, secret keeper
lofty knoll
Hehehhee
lofty knoll
Noiceee
hollow drum
Will be setting up later today
lofty knoll
Just in time
hollow drum
yeee
wind forge
Hahah I got mine last month
But I'm not going to lie I'm super scared about it with this passphrase
😄
wind forge
I fell like if I'm going to mess up I'll be like one of those BTC holders that can just watch at balance
😂😂😂
hollow drum
I fell like if I'm going to mess up I'll be like one of those BTC holders that c...
Nah chill
just have backups in different locations you trust
keep everything offline
plain delta
Hahahaha. I finished my work for the day. Peace out all you stupid not-sleeping people.
hollow drum
Hahahaha. I finished my work for the day. Peace out all you stupid not-sleeping ...
Bye Aaron! Talk soon
lunar lynx
Single asset ILV staking soon?
quick spindle
Single asset ILV staking soon?
Yep! End of the month, from what we know so far 🙂
humble wave
My Ledger is bored 😫 wants some action.
humble wave
Real talk tho, any advice on Safes?
The best safe is putting your thing in plain sight. No one will find it
karmic lichen
severe breach
Ledger is delivered
Ordered mine today..should be here in 2days max
Paid with ETH also...which gave me the best feeling in a long time lol...real use case of crypto.. that's how world will look like in 5y time i hope
No cards...no banks..no hustle ..and only paid 0.25$ for gas lol
Quick and easy
humble wave
And btw <@791020459838668812> ..i paid 170$ for it 😅
$170 for Ledger?
severe breach
Yup
fierce vine
Paid my EK watercooling with crypto during bear market
What kit did you get? Thinking about picking up water cooling
hollow drum
I got a ledger and the capsule haha
severe breach
Now I regret
Most of the things about the past are regrettable lol..so just move on
severe breach
Congrats. Still a bit expensive though. 🤔 or I oaid 150 I guess 🙂
UK prices unfortunately
inner topaz
Like 7 years from now 🤷♂️
humble wave
UK prices unfortunately
Yeah. UK had been quite a party pooper lately 😁
twilit junco
Stop teasing me with a MMO! 😄 I won't be able to sleep again ^^
severe breach
Once the MMORPG is released.
Alfa leak...MMORPG😁
humble wave
In 7 years we'll be through the roof. My passive income can retire three people 😁
hollow drum
7400 per ILV token would be blizzards market cap
that would be insane
ATVI is at 74 Bn MCap rn
tame solar
see you in 7 years
humble wave
Let's first break ATH 😁
hollow drum
see you in 7 years
Ill be here
im getting tatted at 10X
what should I do at ATVI Mcap
humble wave
what should I do at ATVI Mcap
Tattoo it on the forehead 😁
severe breach
When..not if..ILV gets to 3.5k..i will sell just 1 and make a half sleeve with my top five tier 3 illuvials
Print screen that
full dome
what should I do at ATVI Mcap
upload your mind into the illuvinet
calm arrow
what should I do at ATVI Mcap
Nsfw - squiz tattoo across your arse cheeks with your butthole as his mouth
hollow drum
upload your mind into the illuvinet
Neuralink
hollow drum
Nsfw - squiz tattoo across your arse cheeks with your butthole as his mouth
NSFW?
humble wave
When..not if..ILV gets to 3.5k..i will sell just 1 and make a half sleeve with m...
That could be cool. With 1 ILV you can do that. Colored tatoo
severe breach
Yup
sinful kestrel
Hehe lambo before house?
sage falcon
Wait. ILV was 30 like yesterday
full dome
Hehe lambo before house?
homeless millionaire
sage falcon
sinful kestrel
homeless millionaire
That’s next level billionaire thinking lol
twilit junco
I'm wondering how much revenue share a single $ILV will be able to get once the game really starts to take off.
Tried to gauge that, but not enough info unfortunately. Sure, there are numbers like "Axie close to $6m daily trading volume" one could take as a reference, but even when expecting ILV to surpass Axie, the daily trading volume doesn't really give an indication of how much money will end up in the vault.
twilit junco
I don't think it's possible to estimate right now. We don't know how often certain ingame purchases like
- Shard Curing (used for catching Illuvials)
- Travel
- Crafting
- Cosmetics
- Revival
will be used or what they cost etc. Too many unknowns still unfortunately.
severe breach
Don't forget illuvials sells lol
twilit junco
Yep, that too.
twilit junco
Just for fun I tried to assume that ALL of Axies current daily trading volume would be what ILV will end up having as daily "vault volume", leading to $5m a day, $150m a month and with a max supply of 10m $ILV basically to a $15 monthly revenue share. So with 100 $ILV alone you would already have $1.500 passive income 😄 But this is pure nonsense. Impossible to know if ILV vault volume will exceed Axies daily trading volume with the infos we have. But I loved the outcome for sure 😄
twilit junco
Just trying to find out, how important it is to be able to take my job with me when leaving the country in a year or so, or if ILV revenue share + hardcore play2earn will cover me fully 😄
twilit junco
Our system is completely different
Yeah I know. That's why I said it's nonsense. Unfortunately, nothing really out there to take into consideration when it comes to estimates.
quick spindle
Also don't forget, max supply isn't set at 10 million. It can range from 7-10 million 😄
twilit junco
Also don't forget, max supply isn't set at 10 million. It can range from 7-10 mi...
I know. That only makes it way better. That's why I stopped the BS because I got too excited lol
twilit junco
My estimations are way more than yours
You expect a single $ILV to make more than $15 revenue share a month? If so, how much more and how soon do you see that happen?
To me $15 already sounds ridiculous. I'm no super whale and with that kind of revenue share for a single $ILV I could quit my job in a heart beat without even considering other investments and all the income through actively play2earn ^^
marble oyster
if you know what kind of money goes around in games. If the game hits, it could be possible
in other games i saw people spending hunders of dollars in a single day, and each day of that month
i;m talking about multi game (and other stuff)
movies, little illuvials for children, table board game, whatever 😄
twilit junco
Multiple games, years down the road,....sure, there I could see this as well yeah. Just ILV now as a standalone game though, I find it hard to believe. Especially since those $15 a month still only are the result of a nonsense numbers game out of boredom 🙂
We were at $15 per $ILV per MONTH 🙂
twilit junco
Game revenue is $15 per ilv per month ?
Just nonsense speculation without much to go on! 😄
next surge
Still crazy and could be possible
twilit junco
5.4b in 2018 if my quick google is correct for Fortnite
next surge
The $15 per ilv
twilit junco
We don't need 4b a month to get to $15 per $ILV per month, Ami 🙂
next surge
What do we need
I take it the $15 per ilv call was a lower bound estimate
Conservative
full dome
the mix up is he said per month you thought per day 😛
twilit junco
You said it here yourself, Ami. With 1b a month for the vault, we would already reach $125 per $ILV per month. We just need 12% of that 1b 😄
twilit junco
If I'm not mistaken, for $15 per $ILV per month we would need $120.000.000 a month in vault revenue if we assume 8m locked $ILV.
next surge
Is that doable
marble oyster
then you need 2.4m average 50 dollars a month
twilit junco
That put's us at 1,44b in yearly revenue and thus only at 26,67% of what Fortnite made in 2018.
twilit junco
I actually thought my boredom numbers game through Axie numbers was absurd and I still find it hard to believe to have as much of a stake as I have in a game that pulls in $15+ per token per month, but taking Fortnites numbers as a reference....suddenly it doesn't seem so absurd anymore. Still crazy, sure, could end up only making 15 cent per token, but ~27% of Fortnite revenue - considering empowerment, NFTs and whatnot - is something my mind at least can accept as a real possibility, without getting into the chances of that happening.
next surge
When does ILV game share revenue start, basically when things are up and running ?
marble oyster
i think aaron's guide will show us the way
twilit junco
I certainly hope that we can find means of getting that vault filled even before the game and in tandem with the game when it is out, yeah 🙂
marble oyster
I'd really like some merch 🙂
next surge
When we stake do we earn game revenue through that
severe breach
next surge
For yf is it ILV/ETH
hollow drum
For yf is it ILV/ETH
Yes
next surge
So if you just stake ILV/ILV you get ILV tokens as a reward + revenue
twilit junco
Tokenomics article: "Participants in both the $ILV / ETH and $ILV staking pools are given equal weighting for the purposes of Vault distributions."
marble oyster
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Liquidity Mining:
Here, you will gain more ILV. This will increase your voting power in governance & increase your share of vault distributions.
Vault Distributions:
When you stake ILV, you share in Illuvium's success and earn a passive income of additional ILV, funded through in-game purchases and fees. Vault distributions will only be available once the game and Illuvidex are launched.
For further details read: https://medium.com/illuvium/9-tokenomics-launchpad-and-reward-details-5894c3b356be
next surge
sage falcon
How much do you all suspect the average player spending per week to play this game? I haven't asked before, but is it free to play?
formal oar
I know why ILV pamped. I have the alpha.
sage falcon
Good, if f2p is strong I will feel better streaming content
twilit junco
Travelling to find new Loovies and stuff was something Aaron estimated in an AMA in the price range of what other games charge you for boosters. That still leaves room for speculation of course, but it does give somewhat of a range
marble oyster
what if i spend as much as i make in ILV
you will have to pay in advance
marble oyster
Travelling to find new Loovies and stuff was something Aaron estimated in an AMA...
gu boosters range from 2.4 to 124 dollars
red geyser
infinte loop ?
Lol not quite. You’d have to be the only one farming revenue for that to work.
sage falcon
A small paywall for big reward eligibility is essential to fight botting too
And other dubious stuff like multi accounts
twilit junco
gu boosters range from 2.4 to 124 dollars
Wait, what? $124? That's not a booster anymore, that's a booster box lol 😄
sage falcon
True, eh. I'll let them figure that out
lean scarab
whats the problem with multi accounts?
red geyser
gu boosters range from 2.4 to 124 dollars
Doesn’t GU sell like guaranteed to have certain rarity packs?
sage falcon
Best to make incentives favor solo account and not work at punitives
marble oyster
yes
twilit junco
One thing to remember early on as well is that while revenue needs time to grow of course, locked tockens won't be close to max supply either for quite a while. All the yield needs to be farmed first. Seed tokens are locked for what 9 more months or so....So even with lower revenue in the beginning, there could be some nice gains per $ILV if the game takes off somewhat early.
marble oyster
That’s probably why the wide range of price points then.
i'm thinking more of a mtg booster, currently +- 15 dollar
twilit junco
Or wait, wasn't there something about locked seed tokens eligable for revenue?
I think they were only blocked from staking. Need to check that.
Yeah, good.
Would have been way too restrictive in my opinion otherwise. The team needs to get some shares too. They do the work after all.
hybrid finch
step 1 - stake a shitton of ILV
step 2 - spend a shitton money in the game
step 3 - get your money back 
severe breach
Would have been way too restrictive in my opinion otherwise. The team needs to g...
We all have to remember that they started this..so it's only fair they get some recognition and not just say " oh wait..their entry is already 15x"
twilit junco
i'm thinking more of a mtg booster, currently +- 15 dollar
I was initially looking at $5 - $10, but I think Aaron mentioned somewhere that you could catch more than one loovie per travel and then we also have farming crafting mats etc. so I'm expecting something in the range of $10 - $15 as well. I don't see it to be much higher. Kieran mentioned somewhere as well that he would like this still to be something attractive for regular gamers too.
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severe breach
Let them dump...my hands will be greedy af in 1 y time
twilit junco
Everyone is entitled to their own strategy when buying a token. I'll be happy to pick some up then. Diamond hands! 😄
marble oyster
dumping is my main concern for locking 1 year, on the other hand, vault could buy cheap ILV
twilit junco
When the teams seed tokens unlock, thats less than a year after the alpha was released. That's like barely getting started here 😄
marble oyster
I know, but that isn't how peoples mind work 😄
severe breach
Why would the OG investors dump?
marble oyster
and the seeds won't sell probably if they have massive income
more the x seekers will try to take as much profit as they can
severe breach
more the x seekers will try to take as much profit as they can
Their impact will be minimal bu then
Price wont even flinch
Unless half of the community starts acting like wackos
marble oyster
like two weeks ago?
severe breach
Two weeks ago u had a single whale and a bunch of high holders yes
Not the community
And with the current mcap ofc it had a nasty impact
Even Cha sold as a forced measure tbh
marble oyster
anyways, not much strategy for me to do, 🙂
severe breach
Don't think he just decided he needs to dump on a loss out of the blue..but yes..things can be unpredictable also
twilit junco
Btw...Tokenomics: "All in-game purchases and fees are sent to the Vault. Periodically, the Vault distributes this revenue to staked token holders by purchasing an equivalent value of $ILV automatically from the $ILV/ETH Uniswap V2 pool."
That does mean, revenue shares are paid out in $ILV, right? If so, isn't there a hypothetical case where the vault is unable to buy any $ILV anymore?
severe breach
0.001 ILV= Party Yacht..no fud here😁
twilit junco
Yeah probably. Just found it interesting that in theory this could happen which again wouldn't mean the vault isn't generating a ton of revenue
Just need a stable nice income. Taking some! profit to pay for a house or something...we can talk about that at 50x, 100x ... 😄
twilit junco
That is actually one of my issues with Bitcoin being so late to the party as I am. Do I believe it will go up? Sure. But let's say you buy in at 30k and it get's to $150k? Which still needs to happen in the first place. That's just a 5x and who knows how long it will take. Personally, I'm much more comfortable betting on something where I can get in early AND feel confident about the projects fundamentals.
Exactly. Not saying that going for Bitcoin is wrong. Who am I to advise something like that. But risk vs possible reward is simply not attractive for me enough with tons of other options out there.
vagrant valve
it will be interesting. To many things to take into consideration.
elfin coral
Most things will lose to btc long run, even ilv on a long enough timescale
On a 2-5 year period it could crush btc for sure tho, completely different things
real tiger
Risk reward on ilv is just a no brainer
twilit junco
Well, by then second game is out and the first movie being advertised. All things the useless BTC (in terms of practical use cases) doesn't have. So ILV > BTC in the long run (j/k of course, although I wouldn't say no to that :D)
elfin coral
Eth one of the few that might outperform btc, would take decades for it to replace the use case though
I'm a fan
Can like btc eth and ilv
twilit junco
Yep, same here. A bit earlier and I would have taken some BTC as well but I'm too late to the party. Maybe if ILV pans out beyond my current (and apparently compared to others quite conversative) dreams, then I'll funnel a bit into BTC as well.
Gotta pick up some HODL $ETH as well at some point, but first I need to reach my $ILV goals. 500 is min to reach, 1.000 is the goal 😄
elfin coral
With staking it's pretty easy to go from 500-> 1k
So I'd focus on an amount you are happy to lock
Max those returns
twilit junco
With staking it's pretty easy to go from 500-> 1k
That's what I'm hoping, yeah 😄 Currently at 405 and a few thousand XYZ so there should be some boost in $ILV from the flash pool as well on the side. Rest I need to buy then.
twilit junco
So I'd focus on an amount you are happy to lock
12 months lock on everything I have to begin with. That is a given of course ^^
timber ore
12 months lock on everything I have to begin with. That is a given of course ^^
12 months lock? with the initial OG folks having their tokens starting to unlock by then
vagrant valve
why is there 15 poop emojis lol
Because its the shit
elfin coral
Yeah it's risky
timber ore
no way in hell
im doing 12 months
we all know what happens when tokens get unlocked
timber ore
sure we have some strong holders/supporters but token unlock at a SIGNIFICANTLY appreciated price point for their cost basis, there will be profits taken.
twilit junco
12 months lock? with the initial OG folks having their tokens starting to unlock...
Don't see myself pulling out because of a dip or whatnot when those tokens unlock to be honest. If the game performs, with 100% revenue share, it at least somewhat less likely to see similar dumps as other projects in my opinion.
timber ore
many of these guys got in at what? $6 per ILV
elfin coral
3.5
timber ore
once they slowly unlock, and lets say ILV is at $300
they will sell
theyd be mad not too
of course not
it slowly unlocks
overtime right
so we'll have a nice run up imo, but the second we get close to unlocking
people will start selling.
my 2 cents
idk
elfin coral
Its kinda funny, if they start dumping day 1 it will kill the value of the rest of their tokens cause everyone unlocked will dump
tidal garnetBOT
Governance:
Together, we have the power to shape the future of Illuvium through our community collaboration on game improvement proposals as well as electing the initial model of governance, the Illuvinati Council.
Liquidity Mining:
Here, you will gain more ILV. This will increase your voting power in governance & increase your share of vault distributions.
Vault Distributions:
When you stake ILV, you share in Illuvium's success and earn a passive income of additional ILV, funded through in-game purchases and fees. Vault distributions will only be available once the game and Illuvidex are launched.
For further details read: https://medium.com/illuvium/9-tokenomics-launchpad-and-reward-details-5894c3b356be
timber ore
good thing is, we have some big VC behind this
so i dont see them selling alot
but you also have smaller investors
but who knows
its all a guessing game
but 12 months lock is risky af to me
elfin coral
Game will be out then too, maybe a bad time to sell
twilit junco
Pre Seed 500k, Seed 1,5m, team 1,5m from total of 10m. According to the tokenomics article.
timber ore
its a good discussion point:) 1 year is far away anyways
so roughly 20-30%
thats significant
thanks for that, ill sleep on my strategy and decide what to do then
true, so many factors
really
its hard to decide
what to do
severe breach
Overthinking makes u go the wrong way
severe breach
My money in crypto are not for quick flipping
So whatever the market sentiment will be.. don't matter
next surge
Fuck regulations
severe breach
Regulations will play a part in 2023. just FYI
Ofc they will
severe breach
im expecting a lot of crypto projects to drop off in 2023
No reason for the first 12 months of yf to go apocalyptic then..my thoughts
vagrant valve
No reason for the first 12 months of yf to go apocalyptic then..my thoughts
i agree
vagrant valve
i think stagflation / inflation / and deflation will all happen
We should be good until 2023
next surge
So ur saying sell it all before 2023
severe breach
Lol no
next surge
Good cos i aint doing that anyway
vagrant valve
So ur saying sell it all before 2023
no just be careful around 2023
next surge
Yeah more lockdowns and everyone is stuck inside playing ILV for a living
Dont see anything affecting this project badly
severe breach
Yeah more lockdowns and everyone is stuck inside playing ILV for a living
Sign me in
vagrant valve
ILV is a really good project. But i can tell that some people that are only invested in ILV may have blinders on, to the rest of the market.
Just want everyone in this community to do well 🙂
trail knot
Regulations will play a part in 2023. just FYI
why 2023?
vagrant valve
why 2023?
regulation will start to be implemented around that time. As far as i can tell
twilit junco
Even if I'd consider selling, in Germany I would have to pay 42% taxes on my profits. Since I most likely intend to move to something like Portugal in 12-18 months and could sell there with 0% taxes, that alone is enough for me to stake 12 months since I'm not selling before that no matter what any way (ignoring the fact that I ultimately want to hodl much longer in the first place)
vagrant valve
taxes. Digital ID. things of that sort
severe breach
why 2023?
2022 will be a decisive y in hard regulations worldwide for crypto..so makes it only natural that 2023 will be the implementation year
It looks like that anyway
vagrant valve
i agree it does seem that way
severe breach
No country ..maybe except the Saudi..will be left as a safe heaven probably
vagrant valve
I was only throwing that out there as another thing to think of for locking tokens and HODLing for 3-5 years
twilit junco
Valid input for sure, yeah
trail knot
regulation will start to be implemented around that time. As far as i can tell
I mean what makes you think its 2023. some articles you came across?
vagrant valve
well biden said 2023 all people in the U.S. invested in crypto will have to report every transaction over 10k from any wallet to wallet. The IRS is hiring about a 100k people just for crypto.
vagrant valve
They are preparing. Any one that has done KYC the Govs of the world will try to track you
fierce vine
well biden said 2023 all people in the U.S. invested in crypto will have to repo...
But they don’t have enough money to go after rich people who avoid taxes lol
Literally dump millions into making sure us normal people can’t get rich from investing.
fierce vine
Yeah hopefully hit a nice bear to accumulate and bull to sell off before then:D or just constant ilv pump.
next surge
60-80%
vagrant valve
I think it might. especially after the stimulus checks
next surge
Lmfao
Thats ridiculous
They can kiss arse im never paying shit
I hate governments
vagrant valve
Thats ridiculous
5 years ago would you have thought the Government giving people checks and money as ridiculous?
severe breach
well biden said 2023 all people in the U.S. invested in crypto will have to repo...
Keep it under 10 k then? But is it per tx or in total?
vagrant valve
not benefits but paying people and printing trillions
vagrant valve
Keep it under 10 k then? But is it per tx or in total?
lol yeah maybe
next surge
No because the fiat system has always been a scam
next surge
What if you bought on MM
fierce vine
So totally unrelated to any tax issues I heard blank wallet had a cool innovative idea 😄
Good question. Either way it’s a very early technology that could hopefully be used for staking in 2023. I haven’t looked that into it. But you could maybe use a few wallets like a vpn to route your transactions through the wallets into a final wallet that stakes
red geyser
But I mean transactions to a wallet to another wallet to another can still be followed fairly easily on ethereum network
vagrant valve
if you gift crypto to your wife do you pay tax?
Im not a CPA bro lol
red geyser
Dont avoid taxes
Yeah seems risky here in US
fierce vine
Just kidding I’m out of this one lol.
red geyser
Lol I see you
severe breach
Yeah seems risky here in US
IRS is been the worst watchdog since ever lol
So y US is bad when it comes to that
vagrant valve
IRS is been the worst watchdog since ever lol
I wanted them on Contact tracing. We would have found the origin of the virus already lol
red geyser
And it’s gone…
severe breach
And it’s gone…
Hablar espangnol? Nicht... can't vorbesc français
red geyser
Boot the IRS insider
severe breach
Not everything...some of it will be real at some point😁
But the thought exercise yeah
I mean realistically we have to all agree is not going to be a grey area for much longer
severe breach
I just hope I'll get better at finance till then so i can fuck em right off also
quick spindle
Seriously... how do other servers go on without having this at the top right of their member list...
I'll go to another server to say a few things and glance up there and...
A few more minutes go by and anxiety starts kicking in like... WTF IS GWEI AT RIGHT NOW?! Then I come back to our discord and all is peaceful again
real tiger
We need to break out ath asap haha
hollow drum
Lets go haha
real tiger
Get out of these sub 100s
real tiger
1200
fierce vine
Get out of these sub 100s
How bout after I finish buying 😄
hollow drum
Oh ya sorry
real tiger
To late m8
fierce vine
Lol. Fucking banks
real tiger
U had ur chances 😂
hollow drum
I want it to chill for Matt
real tiger
Train left the station
inner topaz
Approx 7K ILV to be distributed on day one. Only 4500 token holders. How many ILV will you be farming?
fierce vine
2 weeks. How much more can banks prove they’re useless
real tiger
Approx 7K ILV to be distributed on day one. Only 4500 token holders. How many IL...
6999 of it
severe breach
No don't lol😁 😅
real tiger
Happy that the rewards have a 1 year cliff tho
hollow drum
Approx 7K ILV to be distributed on day one. Only 4500 token holders. How many IL...
How many will 100 get hehe
inner topaz
Happy that the rewards have a 1 year cliff tho
Only way to earn them is to purchase ILV but can't sell them for 12 months. What happens to token price in short term?
real tiger
Only way to earn them is to purchase ILV but can't sell them for 12 months. What...
Moon
inner topaz
Get it to 300 and i buy an r8 and wrap it in ilv
I'll hold you to this
tame solar
7k ILV in the first week ?
hollow drum
I think I will stake 70% and LP 30%
real tiger
I'll hold you to this
Np im happy to lol
hollow drum
Not 100% sure
tame solar
Day one 👀
inner topaz
49,721 in week one. Approx **
fierce vine
Day one 👀
Instead of refreshing my bank account every 30 min I'll start doing itevery 5 min now....
tame solar
49,721 in week one. Approx **
real tiger
49,721 in week one. Approx **
How much to single asset ?
elfin coral
what da faq?
tame solar
inner topaz
Approx 0.2
real tiger
Approx 0.2 <:pepe_laugh:653839518587289609>
hollow drum
Very true
inner topaz
Nice try if you were looking for emission rates on SNX pool 😄
inner topaz
So kieran how many more hours till the first day
I haven't decided in which timezone we will choose as EOM
real tiger
Dutch
elfin coral
nz plz
tame solar
thats aus lol
real tiger
Aus it is
elfin coral
nz 2h ahead 😉
real tiger
Nz it is
inner topaz
lol
tame solar
you gonna buy it all wade ?
real tiger
Is the full circulating supply available to stake?
650k tokens minus sushi pool
hollow drum
LMAO
elfin coral
sushi pool like 100k tokens
hollow drum
What cut % does Sushi take
real tiger
570 ish
tame solar
Goodbye sushirewards
formal oar
my ocd is kicking in. I need 2 more ILV to make a nice number...having hard time at this gas/price.
hollow drum
my ocd is kicking in. I need 2 more ILV to make a nice number...having hard time...
LOL
I need 0.09 more for 100 ILV
😦
formal oar
lololol
real tiger
Damn
formal oar
I need more than that for 100. whomp
real tiger
Eth to 10k this year
hollow drum
If I have 100, I will get 7 ILV ish if I LP? Is this correct
can someone check my matchs
for first week LP
formal oar
ooooooh maybe my xyz can get me to 100! dreams!
hollow drum
So (100/570,000)*(49,721 X 0.8)
real tiger
Not 100% is going to stake obv
hollow drum
Ya fair
hollow drum
ok still tho
real tiger
To many uknowns
real tiger
People locking 12m have 2x weight
hollow drum
haha
real tiger
Also a variable
real tiger
Np
tame solar
its not gonna b 100%
XYZ pool isnt gonna b gone
sushi pool prolly wont b disabled day of
i can imagine seeing ILV/ETH sushi pool at like 2000% APY
hollow drum
holy
next surge
Wtf
tame solar
Why farm sushi when you can farm ILV
tame solar
Careful the holders doesn’t account for staking in xyz I think
vagrant valve
Careful the holders doesn’t account for staking in xyz I think
correct
hollow drum
Ahhh
hollow drum
like, If I LP theres a good chance that itll be more than 7 ILV in the first week then?
from 100 ILV tokens LP
severe breach
he meant the holders list u see now is not real ...as most of the "big-ish ones" are still in XYZ
hollow drum
ya Ik that
rain thorn
Okay got another bag, LFG .
hollow drum
but in general
severe breach
and every1 will move over when our yf is live
hollow drum
Ya for sure
severe breach
well in term of rewards that is less not more
hollow drum
well in term of rewards that is less not more
Fair
Just still figuring out my strategy
hollow drum
Haha
near pier
What day is it in Australia
hollow drum
What day is it in Australia
I think its the 29th rn no?
inner topaz
Not the end of the month day
hollow drum
ahah
elfin coral
😦
hollow drum
😦
inner topaz
To claim as ILV or sILV? 
inner topaz
Every sILV that is claimed means one less ILV potentially circulating around the world
severe breach
Every sILV that is claimed means one less ILV potentially circulating around the...
i know 😈
inner topaz
i know 😈
I know you know 🚀
but do they?
What to do if 2m are claimed as sILV, 20% less total supply?! So many what ifs! Bullish
hollow drum
Big bull
sage falcon
I don't know what I'd do. If I could just use ETH I might always just claim ILV
sage falcon
Compound into the ground
oblique slate
What to do if 2m are claimed as sILV, 20% less total supply?! So many what ifs! ...
I'm going to have to stop making my retirement in btc and start one in ILV
hollow drum
Good call
sage falcon
that is the thing to do if I have time to clock into the game
hollow drum
impermanent_loss = 2 * sqrt(price_ratio) / (1+price_ratio) — 1, is this correct for all pools?
inner topaz
Should be illegal
sage falcon
I'll have to budget my game time and claim just enough for my schedule
slate tinsel
ILV is my portfolios best performer since the crash at only 12% down... my next best is 40% down.
hollow drum
ILV is my portfolios best performer since the crash at only 12% down... my next ...
BULLISH
elfin coral
Looks like I'm gonna have to play a lot of hours
sage falcon
oh boy, but wait
elfin coral
It's prob locked to your account tho
sage falcon
shouldn't we do something like that though?
sILV could be given to a fund or something?
have we talked about that?
"Scholarship" or something.
hollow drum
^^ im down 😉
sage falcon
Basically we could decentralize the hiring of 100+ farmers
because people will do that
elfin coral
pretty sure any silv wont be transferrable
cause then it would be tradeable too which would be bad
sage falcon
oh! is sILV non-transferable?
elfin coral
prob need a faq, but i dont see how it could be transferable
hollow drum
Cant wait!
twilit talon
🙌 🥳
I went back and looked when I first got here and it was the first of Apr. Wish I was here from day one 😋
☺️
quick spindle
To claim as ILV or sILV? <:question:811768109379354655>
Oooooh nice.
But can we un-capitalize that S in "sILV" 😣
sage falcon
where can I read more about sILV?
it seems like I need to understand that a bit better
John 3:16?
ah, so it's not in whitepaper. I was searching and scrolling there
Okay so sILV will be on IMX layer, as an alternative for ETH in-game
sage falcon
sILV will be far better to use in-game because no fees
hollow drum
everything checks out so far
livid marten
just to understand you guys are discussing staking that will soon go live or a live staking reward system?
hollow drum
packaging looked fine
sage falcon
unless IMX ETH is useable in game (unknown)
inner topaz
prob need a faq, but i dont see how it could be transferable
You can transfer sILV but currently it's only use will be for in-game purchases in Illuvium
So yes, theoretically, you could set up scholars with sILV yield
Although, we will come up with something better than scholarships. I don't want my twitter to be filled with scholarship requests
hybrid finch
but sir
sage falcon
Yeah this could be a cool decentralized system, where you have f2p, p2e
but it's more of a club, or something you gain access to
but it wouldn't be the same as using your own account. Maybe this is where rentals comes in
inner topaz
It will be tied into lending somehow, and needs to be available to anyone looking to play. I'm thinking of how someone can generate collateral without having any to begin with. Perhaps time becomes collateral
livid marten
reminds me of the kings avatar guild system where you earned guild points by contributing and could use those to rent gear and stuff, would be different here ofc but similar
hearty veldt
would be great to have automated marketplace, where you can just take out whatever you want and is on offer, and the supplier can set terms, of minimum yield, earnings ratio etc. and if after so much time you didn't manage to get minimum yield your access is simply revoked
sage falcon
Well think of it this way, it could be less rewarding than someone who is paying to play
but if someoone has no income, they might want to play under this program for a time
hearty veldt
though it would kinda create perverse incentives for players to try their best to meet the expected yield set by the supplier
inner topaz
Building human bots already
hearty veldt
I am thinking, if you supply the Illuviums and shards to travel, then you can set expectations and then you can offer it, and with time you could also create track records for players so that players who farm effectively have a better chance of finding suppliers, or as a supplier you set minimum for track record
inner topaz
There is no killing in Illuvium
rain thorn
Fainting. 👀
hearty veldt
I mean he could effectively kill it by not catching it I suppose?
well, it wouldn't be taken out of overall supply
quick spindle
Oof. Is there a log/history of all encounters your hunter goes through? So you can see what your acolyte effed up on?
rain thorn
Lol you confused me.
inner topaz
I mean he could effectively kill it by not catching it I suppose?
if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?
hearty veldt
if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?
ha, I actually study philosophy, but don't know the answer to that 🙂
elfin coral
sILV will only be on immutable x?
inner topaz
sILV will only be on immutable x?
l1 & l2
hearty veldt
if they catch Luvi's sure?
elfin coral
so it will be trading then...
sage falcon
inner topaz
so it will be trading then...
Potentially
sage falcon
it adds fomo
not sure if good or bad, also developers won't have much control over culling pace
a delicate balance for sure
almost like an asymetric player base
I kind of dig the chaos
hearty veldt
I wonder if it is ever gonna be possible to deal with human bots and excessive farming in these kinda games. Depending on the rewards, people will go to variable lengths to get them. Would be great if the 'scholarship' program or whatever it is gonna look like, would still ensure the enjoy-ability of the game for the players using it.
inner topaz
almost like an asymetric player base
hearty veldt
I think luvi's becoming rare is gonna be pretty unlikely unless someone really comes in big and corners the market
rich terrace
That system is one of the first I changed. You need to defeat the Illuvial in order to catch. Long as you can win the battle then you have a chance
hearty veldt
most of the money is probably going into the special skins and perfect stats luvi's
sage falcon
as player base grows and illuvials are caught, having a way to burn them is essential for stabilizing the economy
rich terrace
And even shard use doesn't cause immediate failure. It just has a chance for an Illuvial to escape
hearty veldt
I mean there will be a limit to how rare luvi's can be if they wanna keep low barrier to entry for ranked arena
the F2P aspect could really help in this regard
so they know the basic systems, then you can just create a document with main principles of catching higher luvi and let people read that before going out wasting your shards
inner topaz
They are tied to a bonding curve, meaning that it becomes increasingly rare to encounter it every time one is caught
hearty veldt
what is that?
sage falcon
and if F2P is used to balance P2P economy, that's pretty cool
hearty veldt
ah, I see, I remember reading about that
will the team put out numbers of how many total luvi's there are for each luvi?
inner topaz
Plus, its a timed bonding curve. Meaning, eventually, the time runs out, and with it, the Illuvials
Enter: Second set. Bye, Bye genesis set
calm arrow
Plus, its a timed bonding curve. Meaning, eventually, the time runs out, and wit...
Does that mean even if no one catches that illuvium, it still becomes harder to catch over time? Or just has a period where suddenly it's not catchable anymore
hearty veldt
how does this tie into ranked arena though, will there eventually be a 'standard' mode were only the newest Luvi's are eligible as older luvi's prices rise too much?
rich terrace
and if F2P is used to balance P2P economy, that's pretty cool
Not used to balance. You can't have meaningful play to earn with no entry cost. But we have the Fantastic onboarding. You get to play for free
inner topaz
Only when one has been caught does it become rarer @calm arrow
calm arrow
Only when one has been caught does it become rarer <@!181077112751521792>
I'd better catch them all then...
inner topaz
I'd better catch them all then...
oh you didnt!
hearty veldt
gotta catch them all!
tame solar
does your bonding curve change if you have 10 players playing vs 100k players?
or its just based on captures
hearty veldt
thought dark holo's look exquisitely rare, kinda funny how bonding curve will infuence prices, since usually first few are sold the highest, then prices drop, but eventually bonding curve kicks in and prices might rise again
sage falcon
Not used to balance. You can't have meaningful play to earn with no entry cost. ...
I was going off of the sponsorship idea. The value for the f2p "cost" would be provided by people claiming sILV and putting it into this "program"
I was assuming some kind of capital input
rewards could scale from that pool
rich terrace
does your bonding curve change if you have 10 players playing vs 100k players?
Based on captures.
lofty knoll
sure we have some strong holders/supporters but token unlock at a SIGNIFICANTLY ...
Weak hands.
sage falcon
then you could have f2p, p2e, but variable rewards that effect supply
rich terrace
I don't see why we wouldn't want to do that. Might not be an on release thing
sage falcon
I may be making zero sense. Some idea forming. I just was thinking how people would be motivated to hire farmers and thought why not make it an incentive of the ecosystem to ward off centralization of capital/assets
hearty veldt
this bonding curve does sound like the EV is gonna be significantly higher in first few days/weeks compared to later
rich terrace
this bonding curve does sound like the EV is gonna be significantly higher in fi...
For sure.
But also significantly harder to play initially
hearty veldt
But also significantly harder to play initially
You expect people to fail in combat in PvE scenario's?
sage falcon
I may be making zero sense. Some idea forming. I just was thinking how people ...
all while increasing the player base with f2p incentives
rich terrace
You won't have highly leveled illuvials, won't have the best gear/comps/strategy
hearty veldt
ah right, yea that makes sense
severe breach
You expect people to fail in combat in PvE scenario's?
they will 100% fail sometimes
rich terrace
You expect people to fail in combat in PvE scenario's?
Long term with competence no.
hearty veldt
yea, that makes sense, just, eventually it seems like you know what to do, but I guess luvi levels will be a big factor
rich terrace
But at the start? 💯
hearty veldt
man gonna be exciting, gonna be like the wild west
rich terrace
People will get greedy and push into higher regions they can't handle with their teams
vagrant valve
People will get greedy and push into higher regions they can't handle with their...
dont talk about me like that...lol
rich terrace
They'll come across illuvials they don't know and screw up positioning and get wiped
Ect
hearty veldt
yea, wiki will be important
it feels good to be part of the community, that will give us all significant edge I reckon
sharing experience
rich terrace
But if you're better than other players? Even if you lose you'll come out ahead
hearty veldt
and tactics
rich terrace
Because it's a fully player driven economy
hearty veldt
do Luvi's gain xp in ranked?
rich terrace
do Luvi's gain xp in ranked?
Maybe!
hearty veldt
would be neat, that way I could play my favorite mode while grinding xp for better catching rates
lofty knoll
@inner topaz fuck free to earn. You can't pay to play, stay with the free stuff.
Gonna be invaded by sHoLaRsHiPs
Fuck that
hearty veldt
<@770826457923715082> fuck free to earn. You can't pay to play, stay with the fr...
it's just another investment opportunity for players who have the money while at same time being more welcoming and attracting players without much money, seems like good idea to me
lofty knoll
selling when youre up 100x
Goes to 1000x so weak hands.
red geyser
You won't have highly leveled illuvials, won't have the best gear/comps/strategy
Hah my team comps are quite well planned 🥴
sage falcon
Gonna be invaded by sHoLaRsHiPs
that sounds awful, yeah I don't think anyone likes that idea. I was thinking more of an asymetric play. Like you choose f2p you are only playing for the value provided by people who put sILV into the pool
rich terrace
Hah my team comps are quite well planned 🥴
How! Only Aaron and myself have that knowledge
Are you Aaron?!
hearty veldt
So Ben.. you like Pizza?
red geyser
Haha 😂
rich terrace
Have we cracked the mystery Cc
rich terrace
So Ben.. you like Pizza?
I take my bribes in ILV
hearty veldt
haha 😄
red geyser
Not possible.
lofty knoll
But no since I saw both faces
vagrant valve
I take my bribes in ILV
smart man
inner topaz
People will get greedy and push into higher regions they can't handle with their...
I will most definitely not do that
hearty veldt
eh, it's gonna be exciting finding out myself anyway, part of the fun
What kinda indications can we expect to know when our team is appropriately leveled? Or is this just solely based on trial and error?
red geyser
I just have some ideas of how it could work. Nothing solid. I love the ideas behind the affinities and classes. That’s my basis for planning at this point.
hearty veldt
I think knowing attacks from Luvi is probably gonna be the biggest thing, make sure you do everything to negate as much of their attack effectiveness as you can, counter their type, put something in place to distract them and have something to deal damage
inner topaz
What kinda indications can we expect to know when our team is appropriately leve...
appropriately levelled to do what?
inner topaz
to go into certain regions
Get your ass in there and find out
hearty veldt
haha yea alright
rich terrace
Knowledge is power
stiff estuary
Surely each region will contain both lower tier and higher tier Lubis right?
rich terrace
And it's no fun if we kiddie proof it
inner topaz
There will be no notification telling you that your team is ready to enter Crimson Waste :p
You just gotta risk it to get the biscuit. Hence Ben's comment. Which isn't applicable
hearty veldt
I think to be realistic, the information is gonna get out rather quickly I assume and every sane person would read about recommended levels before spending money to travel, at least that's what I would do
inner topaz
Well Matt was going to build a Wiki but then we stole him
inner topaz
Jeremy was going to build one too but Delphi stole him
hearty veldt
Matt we need you!
fierce vine
You already got me 😄 just in the sim instead of wiki
hearty veldt
I have my faith in Ami
fierce vine
I do have the site still paid for like 8 months if someone wants to take over
inner topaz
I do have the site still paid for like 8 months if someone wants to take over
hmmm, we do need a new dev
hearty veldt
I am no good with computers except playing games sadly
but will be sure to contribute once game is live
fierce vine
I am no good with computers except playing games sadly
Same here. I just throw code together. Daniel beats me with a stick. I fix it and poof magic.