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better than you
Seriously
Lol @outer linden get in the voice chat
hahaha
lesgo kieran win for my boy riggins!!
That Atlas plushie is making my ovaries quiver
Ok go type in voice channel chat. Donāt wanna see TFT anymore
bulldogs fo life
Well didnāt know I HAD to have an atlas plushie till this morning
It looks so good!
Okay we ready? Everyone nominated?
I'm to low to nominate
Go away Kieran
Wow that tongue may even be longer than pablo's
What we voting on? Gm
Wait! I nominate @inner topaz ! You have to be at least master right?
Yes I think we are good to Go š
No probs
yea he keeps the floor sticky
looks like hes melting
Master of trivia, master of nothing
Can you please use voice channel chat for your game.
@zinc arch I used please, Iām getting serieus again š
Is this game out yet?
Will we able to buy the Merch and Plushies with SILV2? š
Game is currently in beta, see details below
You can register for the closed beta through this link: https://play.illuvium.io/arena
You can improve your chances of being selected for the beta by:
- Becoming a ranger (Level 5 in the server)
- Joining # twitter-role and promoting Illuvium on twitter
- Participating in (and winning) our weekly trivia competition
i nominate @inner topaz win for our bulldogs!!
I assume not, they would be losing money on it
Would be awesome.
It worked š
God bless
I see a ban incoming though
If my kids see that plushie, they're going to be asking me for one everyday.
Who we giving the hammer
@worthy juniper
I think itās the first merch I saw that I know Iāll buy
Why
My middle child is already in love with Illuvium. I started letting him play arena last week, and he's been asking me everyday to play.
Start them young
Atlas is his favorite
After the Bulldogs Jersey, of course!
Iām getting old
@worthy juniper you got 5 min to remove that clown.
I know this feeling
Thanks, Paz.
What clown
Is it a beanie baby? Lmao.
Plushies... how? When? Money.. i gib. Take it, i dont need it. Need plushy
any stl illuvials i wanna print some illuvial figurines once i get my 3d printer

Hopefully they'll have a good selection.. I'll legit buy them all
my youngest kids are in their peak plushy years
If i buy 20 plushies do i get beta access?
epic!
Financial standings are not factored into the beta tester selection process, no.
Plenty of other ways to get it though!
i can't watch these guys playing TFT. no idea what's going on.
I gave up on watching those
People probably will think the same of illuvium. What do you think could help the viewer?
that plushie will certainly sell like hell! I want one for me and to give as a present to everyone else...
just hope i don't have to pay double the price because of taxes and shipping in Brazil
I'm starting to get afraid of that merch store
i am just not interested in TFT... if it's something that interests you, you'll figure it out and enjoy it
Oh, I've always been afraid of it.
Or I should say, my wallet has.
Canāt wait. Then Iāll have a place to buy presents for everyone I know and be like, donāt you just looove it? š
Im hoping RevDis can pay for my merch addiction and Land can pay for my game addiction.
VIPER VS KIERAN LESGO
If you buy enough merch, you'll get more revdis 
Understood. Tis was joke. One day. Im ready to catch them all and bring down pain on all my enemies. (In the game, hugs only irl)
its a vicious circle
i will be happy buying merch knowing i will at least make 0.000001$ back from revdis
And it will be worth it
When have you made money even a little from buying merch? its a cool concept can't wait to see in action
@inner topaz change ur position last sec!!! and focus on karma
yep its exciting
Donāt help him!
Please talk in the voice chat text channel about this.
There is no Kieran there
He is also not here, he is playing TFT
I think the idea is that people can still ping him in the Illuvium Voice text channel though, as opposed to the general text channel š
I don't own a plushie. I don't buy plushies. I don't need plushies.
One will NOT be added to the cart when I buy my hoodie(s?).
But how much better would playing overworld be with my little plushie sitting in my lap ready to get thrown across the room when the game annoyed me. It could save the controller, therefore SAVING me money if I bought it.
Justification for spending begins....
Since the ping is related to what's going on in that channel
lol
GG
Thanks
That Karma
I've never rolled so hard in my life
did well today Kieran !
GG
GG
GG
GG
GG
Good night peeps, tell me who I owe ILV to
We need one
Itās meee š
GG last sec positioning killed u thats tft technique
gg kieran thanks for the fun
I may need to avoid you and Artemis when merch store hits.š
GG @inner topaz
We gonna make a group chat to go shopping together
Gotta admit it would be fun. Who needs groceries anyway?
its a lLizard!!
Cute frog? It's an Ethlizard
ILizard LOOL
I'm gonna start skipping food 2 / day week now to start saving up 
Why are most of the team all Frogs? ^_^
Dieting the Illuvium way.
Check into EthLizards
Are Axolotl hard to maintain? I think I want one now š
Is that also from ILV?
Nah, a tank, food, water, maybe a heat lamp and a rock.
I think. Really have no clue.
I'll try to forget that idea for now
It's a Game-fi Investment DAO
It's not part of Illuvium but Kieran is a council member.
I figured out where you're from Fraggy š
The cost of the tank would easily buy you a plushie which is cheaper to keep.
Haha you are right
You doxxed me, ban.
Lmao
Damn I said I was going to take a break from discord and Kieran came in the chat
Sad times
It's ok, he is gone now
Please don't go on break again then 
At least I didnāt miss a trivia
Itās actually impossible to miss a trivia due to the duration
I just slept for 4 hours so I would have missed it
Just barely but I wouldāve missed it
But thatās a good one
Also can we please get Chris to a 1000 followers so I can get my lizard
whats he at now
some 250 i think
No chance lol
268š. I immediately left a reply to Kieranās tweet saying incoming quadruple digits and then he says that in order to get our prizes and run trivia in the future we have to get him to 1000. These both affect me greatly
Viper said buy some bots
lol
lol, thats genious!
lol
He can afford it with all the prizes he is winning
I remember in HS someone once said if this gets 5k likes he plays a stupid card in a championship, 5min later someone comments a screenshot of buying 5k likes for 50 bucks or so
I think the guy ditched and didn“t play the for fun card after that either
Hello admin, is there any smartcontract associated to the beta release?
We could get Chris to a 1000 followers the old fashioned way
I know itās possible
No there is not
There is not
Is it offchain?
Yes
The beta is offchain.
Thanks
Did you guys see they added mini golf to discord live streams
I posted on Twitter.
Considering most of my followers are the people on here though....š¤·āāļø
Letās just raid other peoples discords
Quite sure I also only have ILV people
Smart!
I got Twitter for Illuvium so it is kind of to be expected. š
Spread a bunch if info about how Iād they follow Chris on Twitter they can win a prize
Which isnāt technically false
Kieran said he heard Chris was going to give 10 OW beta spots away. Could have been a measly joke but idk
You have more followers than Chris though
Anything hells
Helps
Same with Discord.
I already had an discord account but I don't remember why
I donāt remember why Iāve had one so long either
Wwhhhheeeeennnnnnnnn plushie!!!!
Did you check under your bed?
I left a surprise for you
Brb
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Merry Christmas lowenertz
Web2 Gaming is the reason for me. Guilds from games I played or communities for streamers I watched/followed back then were all on Discord.
so the process is pay from your personal card, and then get reimbursed?
Now THAT is a weird first message
If ever paying for something on behalf of the DAO
Aww-- actual outro music this time around.
Was looking forward to improv outro music from Andrew's mouth haha
That was a fun Illuvitalks though. Enjoyed the guests!
Not on behalf of the dao was kieran's ILV
Andrew is the best Hire they could do, really enjoy his content and a perfect ambassador for Illuvium.
Yeah seems like it's almost effortless for them to get the perfect people in place for each situation
100%, setting them free to do what they do best seems to workš„³
There is a reason I am involved in everything he touchesš¬
Iām picking up all the Pennieās heās dropping
Whoa?!? way to just throw every dao CC under the bus
Best hire for his role
What about Tarren?
He probably means for that role.
lol I know
I'm messin
I'm scared what figment does with that picture
Ahh Rich is a 4 snaps kind of guy
I work with 3, myself.
(Very critical information here y'all
)
For that role, like you are the best person for what you doš¬
Ohhh somebody made a new screaming Beaver
Iām deleting it now you made me feel weird
Lies
its probably on the wall next to your computer
He does by an large drop a lot of pennies
Do want to see whatās on the wall next to my computer
No.
Oh I love you lars, thank heavens someoneās picked up on how often Ben says that too
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Then #1023650034593570917 it, as well
Iām sorry remi it was sending as you sent your message Iāll delete it
Your son?
Yes
Your heir to the Illuvium enterpriseš how old is he?
2 1/2
Whenever I turn on my computer he says ādaddy fighting gameā thatās what he calls illuvium rn
Woah I think I just realized one of the use cases for the general chat
It isnāt meant to be a place to hold conversation.
Itās the place to ask someone if they want to have a conversation with you in the proper channel
Like this
Iām thinking of building a new pc towards the end of the year, if I send the link in to #1023650034593570917 can you guys give me some thoughts on my build
My understanding is that everything is allowed in general, as long as there is less than one message per minute
From different persons of.course
So go ham
Is it a top tier or budget?
Must be budget, with a kid on the side
wen build
I don't See a build in off-topic feeling rugged
same i went to look š
Atlas is so cute š„°
Honestly Iād rather Kieran just enjoy his vacation than try and fit spaces or amas in. Better to have him back fully refreshed and actually able to enjoy himself while heās on his trip jr there was no point in taking it
Note to self: turn off notifications when I'm trying to sleep. Wow that was a lot of pings
To less... Way to less
I mean, you're a third of the way
What do i get if i follow you? š
Idk I just thought it would be a good meme
But that's after an everyone-ping š
You could do a wing Challenge while streaming.
From 1k scoville to 1million in 1 round of pb2
You just realising we're just the same 100 people talking in here everyday lol
Yea... Pretty much š
But we still have fun tho š
Crypto is really 100 ppl with 50m alt accounts
Absolutely š
Ooh can I join
Say what
I need this to be a meme
So fraggy canāt bust me for posting dog pics in general
Even better... @worldly mist could do an ama with you, while challenging each other š
I wonder how many token holders we will have in the future if we onboard millions of players
Jimbo I will order you the hottest gummy bear but you have to snort it
I think there is a show Like that with celebs... I saw it once. Pretty hilarious
Nah I did my one and only AMA on @split lintel channel.
I'm a behind the scenes kind of guy.
Was a good AMA
Ser
Iāll get you on camera again one day
Youāre gonna be on camera again
But you could eat hot wings, (b)eating jim live
Youāre a man of the people
Actually @steady iris you should let me do an AMA with you, while coaching you on ILV, while doing the hot ones challenge.
jimbo dies live streaming
Honestly doesn't even have to be an AMA not really my style
just let me do a video with you lmao
You just have a dirty mind
Rich has a perverse mind
you can join in if you want tho
Like figment having pictures of me on his wall
You could ask the serious questions, questions only jim is brave enough to ask
You just wish I did
Ehh I don't want him to get in trouble
or do i? š
@steady iris is the judge, jury and executioner. He canāt be fired
I actually had a dream last night with Kieran. I was his security guard who could also predict the future.
Was it a love story?
More of a upcoming business mogul biography
Thatās a bit egotistical donāt you think?
Well, I was only kidding but I guess I see your point
Well it wasnāt funny
Discord is so dead Figment is talking to himself
Damn. That hurts figgy
Keep the community alive

And here comes rich gonna say like ānot everythingā with his nasty dirty thoughts
Look, if the community shows they want to see it then fine
I want to see it
Iām part of the community
In fact
Right now
It looks like I am the community
I'm putting my hand up to see this too
I wanna see it as well
....fine
Get like 200 š„ on this and I'll do a hot ones challenge with @worldly mist
ahahah lets do it
Hmmm š¤. @little flax could you @ announcements on this one hahah
Only a few more š„ to go!
almost there
Love hot ones. My fave episode is Eddie Huang. Starting from hottest to ā¦.
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i love the gordon ramsay ones
You also have no time limit to this either...goodluck š
Exactly. Much easier than a Kieran challenge.
But I'm also not the CEO so there's that
You're the CEO of my heart and that's all that matters
those of you who are waiting for illuvium to release, what are you doing during your spare time?
Play PB2 and watch every AMA under the sun to catch random alpha leaks
yall think doge will make it?
Wrong discord server
š© nope
This poor kid.
Just trying to imagine what the person looks like who's approaching him.
And how big is the water balloon they're about to throw?! 
Is it wrong for a 50 year old man to want an Atlas plushie?
Nope, yo do you man
Make yourself happy, not others
Its a good sign that it is a great product
Cute is cute wether you 5 or 50.
prob not

Ok... after quite a lot of opinions i've been able to read here or on Twitter... i have a few questionsi'd like us all to discuss.
Was it actually clearly said that as a F2P player in Illuvium all we can catch is Tier 0s?
i mean i go out for a trip with no fuel, fresh new player, can i run into anything else than T0s? or can i also find let's say an atlas? and if i find an atlas, is there something else than the difficulty of the wave that prevents me from catching it?
Only zeros
Donāt think they would let you face an atlas win then say, oh too bad canāt have that.
Ok and those Tier 0s have unique stats (like any other illuvial) and can be leveled up, to potentially either be plaied by yourself, or sold to make yourself some fuel and starting to catch something else right ?
and do people here REALLY expect this game to be a fun free to play experience ?!
Itās a hook. You will want to spend the money you can make from selling T0s to be able to collect more. Play with more.
Don“t I remember an interview hooking people from web2 trough catching in free to play and offer them to "go to the blockchain"?
I mean, was Hearthstone (at launch) REALLY a fun free to play experience? It's a collectables game, you're gonna have a better time if you're willing to put in a bit of money. I definitely think it'll be playable, especially for people who just wanna see what it's all about.
I mean, we're gonna be getting compared to Axie, which you couldn't even try without spending $800 for a team. Instead you get to try it out for free.
I'm guessing the implication here is that you don't think it'll be a fun free to play experience?
would be only use if it is more then T0
let's be honest:
what i see is that only Tier 0s with INCREDIBLE stats and max level will have demand (as their only use will be Leviathan)
because they're actually free to get, a lot of these will be on the market and they'll be sold for like 20cts each and maybe an incredible one max leveled will be 2-3$...
You cannot expect to go very far in PvP using only them either as even tho they are useful, the stats gap is pretty big.
so all of this means, a free to play player, needs to FIND at least 3 to 5 EXCEPTIONNALLY high stats Tier 0s (Preferably Grokko as it is the best one) before he can buy ONE trip to the cheapest area.
This is insane effort to just be able to play with anything else than the 5 demo characters...
T0's stats matter in Overworld too.
Hearthstone has always got a fairly easy F2P to competitive path:
play a F2P aggro deck like Murlocs up to legend + make a few arenas
ggwp you got enough coins and dust to make a more competitive deck and start aiming for the top1k
I don't think the goal has ever been to give away as many "card packs" as possible. If someone wants to grind out the free experience, that's a choice they are making.
Grokko the best? Have you even tried fire attipo?
all attipos are cool, and to be fair the Flish, Volante and Dokas are fine too. Just Grokko is something you're tempted to play in a high-end board while Doka/Volante are definitely not
Most really fun AAA games cost a little something. Mainstream gamers have no problem dropping $60 on the latest COD. They come in they play F2P, they like it, they drop a little cheddar cheese. I think you are overthinking it.
just lemme come back to the "we're gonna be compared to axie"
That's where i don't think the same. Everyone here thinks about mass adoption, and i think that's the goal Illuvium is aiming for... Web2 people never even heard of Axie. they will compare us with what they know:
Hearthstone, Legends of Runeterra, Yu-gi-oh Master Duel (for the TCGs)
and to PokƩmon, Monster Hunter, Zelda, Ark Survival Evolved for the RPG-grinding part.
oh i have no problems with paying for a game. i'm just concerned about the miscommunication and the understanding of some people around this topic.
in fact i'll probably barely touch overworld and just put the money on the table for my competitive deck and go play Ranked
yeah im loving that todays deck has 3 grokko. Its pretty OP if you can get them to chain stun somebody.
But to your main point, I think the expectation is that people will need to pay. If its reasonably easy to grind your way to things for free it will inevitably drive the price down over time. That kind of ruins the collectible facet of the game since the whole 'own your assets' thing is a lot less exciting when the assets are worth almost nothing.
You are saying you think it is false adverted that you can play this game long term and never spend a dime?
I guess the heart of the matter is: Do you have any alternative suggestion for F2P that isn't going to get exploited into the ground?
It's fine for Hearthstone, or other web2 games, to give away in-game assets relatively freely. Those assets typically don't have monetary value (as you don't own them, the developer does). It makes pretty good sense to me to err on the side of caution with the availability of assets for free players.
There are already systems built in to lower the barrier to entry for competitive play - Stage 1's playable as Stage 3's, as an example.
I'm genuinely curious if you have a better idea, this kind of thing hasn't been discussed here in a long time.
yeah kinda. i see people on twitter convinced that this game will conquer kids and stuff and become the next PokƩmon... as if kids would be satisfied with 5 different characters with 5 different colors each nowadays. but if they can't get more, they obviously won't like it or ask for money to their parents to play it, which will HUGELY decrease the amount of kids in the Illuvium Space. (so these people are just wrong imo)
once again im fine with that, like the whole game is about "Fight 4 ETH" and gambling is not for kids.
i'm just saying that maybe the people who know what this whole F2P experience is just to give a "Demo" and NOT MORE, should maybe educate the others
The way I see it. Each run is like paying for a package of PokƩmon cards, just a more interactive and immersive experience. I absolutely think people will pay for a package of cards.
i think there are plenty of ways to make a game successful and generate money without it being pay2win. League of Legends, Fortnite, Hearthstone, Overwatch2... we definitely don't lack examples
Zep I think you are comparing ILV to a game with a F2P-cosmetics model, comparing to F2P-pay 2 progress faster ones might be the better way
thing is ILV is not pay to progress faster, it's Pay or stop play xD
We're talking about in-game assets though. There's a fundamental difference between assets that have real monetary value (and are explicitly designed with that in mind) and assets in a game where the developer can delete your account if you post stuff on ebay.
i see that as a huge redflag from the gamers communities POV
I dont really think young kids will play it but like 14+ probably would. I had a bank account and my own money by that age so I think theres a decent number of kids would play. Parents also spend a TON of money for their kids on games like Fortnite or Roblox so if the onramping is simple enough I dont think thats super unrealistic.
I mean we don“t know shit about how it will all be at this point, who knows how relevant T0s with stats are gonna be, or what cosmetics or augments or armors you can farm in F2P area
also if you wanna compare to games, compare to actual TCGs, yugioh/Pokemon/Magic, kids play those and spend money/parents money, those cards have resell values like here
And I appreciate it!
Most little kids play on phones, iPads and consoles I think
I'll take it a step back - Do you agree that it's important to be cautious with the availability of in-game assets for free players?
I don't inherently disagree with your premise, that a pay wall will turn some portion of people away - It absolutely will, and there's precedent for that in any game with a pay wall.
I also think there's a big difference in the model of ownership from some of the games you're comparing to. Pokemon TCG or MTG weren't giving card packs away to people.
Maybe there's some kind of other solution that doesn't gate gameplay, but also doesn't give people free assets. Gods Unchained, at least the last time I played it, had something like that going on.
i mean i compare this with PokƩmon, a perfect stats pokemon is super rare and has like 1 out of millions chances to appear. anything which is not perfect stats is unusable competitively. i expect that in Illuvium anything below 95% of the potential max to have zero demand because otherwise it's easy to get, and if it's easy to get, why would one bother buying it rather than go farm it himself?
the only place other than overworld where this stats matter is Leviathan, which is the gambling arena. so demand will be really limited for anything not maxed imo.
Now about the price and cards thing:
i AM fine with that. i'm just saying i don't get how people can :
1: think the F2P aspect will be that big and actually "relevant"
2: i don't think the game will be a success with kids by the simple fact that the F2P is ultra limited, and at the moment you put money on the wallet for your kid to spend, you take the risk of him getting involved into gambling once you turn your back.
these are all hypothesis, we don“t even have a whitepaper with numbers, we don“t know what dailies might do, or do we have a battle pass or are there T0 only tournaments (TCGs have locals etc.)
isn“t the question how much money the good deck will cost?
like you start in any game like HS/Magic etc. you don“t have a full deck
you start in most other games and don“t have maxed out Stats/Items
isn“t this just normal in a game with items?
I don“t even know a single game where this is different
We are just discussing with no data.
Im a Huge free to play player. Played months genshin and others game without put any money, but I feel like this New genre of game will be diffƩrent. Its more easy to me to drop more money to something that I know i can perhaps sell back. The mentality and eductation (for the parents too) will need to change. And Will change
There are other projects as well aiming for a play2own model with no pay2win like bigtime or Fableborne. i'm still wandering how they'll manage to dissociate the player-driven economy from pay 2win tho as if something is better than something else, it's necessarily more expensive. but that's not the topic. all i'm saying is YES i think that IF you want Illuvials to keep a "somewhat high" value in $/ETH, you need to either put them behind a paywall or make a ponzi with limited supply.
My point was not about the decisions made. but about the communication around it.
In the last years I often made the case for Genshin being a good F2P RPG game, but you for sure can never have the super powerfull teams without spending money, millions play and are happy
To be fair, I don't know what Twitter posts you're talking about, and generally avoid the platform. It's my least favorite soapbox on the internet.
I get the communication part, but that is also subjective tbh, good f2p experience isn“t the same for everyone
kids will prob be happy to run around the world and click some stuff while some competitive person will feel bad about not having good illuvials
well there's no better in gaming. all gamers and esports related stuff are there.
wait why would they when there's way better F2Ps around and even on mobile?
I hate twitter as well, but it has its purposes
what makes a better F2P?
that“s subjective
I think the Genshin example is actually great, millions in EU play that game, and almost none of it“s revenue comes from EU, people still play it
ok we're talking about a collectible monsters RPG game... why would a kid like more playing with 5 different monsters to chose from and 5 different colors instead of 100 ?
you assume here that investing time won“t return anything of value
World is way bigger than Illuvium, even as a F2P player you can experience multiple characters
you play that game F2P you don“t have that many tbh
Keep it up guys. Enjoying the read lol
guess it also depends on your luck with the pools too
only thing here I don“t like is that we talk about things we don“t even know numbers on
Yep, at the end this conversation will not end in any agreement without numbers
what numbers do we need? selling price of a maxed out Grokko?
Wonāt everyone start with T0s and have to process up?
yes. but you can only process up if you pay.
T0 capture rates, selling prices of T0's, cost of paid travel cycles are pretty relevant to the argument.
The amount of time it takes to level up a given Illuvial is relevant as well.
And what is the target audience? How many player are there in that audience? Will they pay even more feeling they own their "pokemons" and are better than others?
Well yeah but whoās to say how easily that progression is. Wonāt that make more people buy the T0s to progress faster?
can f2p farm stuff for augments? armors? weapons? yes price of grokko or any other t0, they will prob all see play to some extent
are there things like timegated loot? are there ingame events with only t0s and prices? what are the actual prices of units? is a competitive deck is less than 100$? 200? 500?1000?
we don“t know shit tbh
Do you think a game needs to be fully possible f2p to be successfull?
I think lots of 9-10digit revenue games would disagree with that anyways
selling prices won't be much higher than the cards you get after 5h of grinding in Gods Unchained (10cts at best) i mean for what reason would they?
Capture rate doesn't matter, we already know that with the right usage of mastery points they'll be pretty high. they also need to be fairly easy for T0s because it needs to scale with tiers and because T0s are the starting point for everyone.
paid travel we've been told around a PokƩmon booster pack so i'd say around 5$
I get the point of this might be how things turn out, but we don“t have only 1 way of monetizing games and not only 1 way that works well currently in the world, so trying to paint this will work and this won“t seems wrong to me
oh definitely, once again, i don't disagree with the decisions, and i WILL happily pay for my deck like i do in TCGs, i don't mind. i'm talking about the communication around it.
Time investment.
that“s what I meant with good F2P experience is subjective and which games people like as well
You're assuming an extremely short progression from start to "This is the best a T0 can get". The more time investment required to get a T0 maxed out, the more value it has.
time investment doesn't apply in NFT games, if you lurked around at other marketplaces you already know that.
oh no, that's the whole point. i'm assuming it to be like 40-50h to sell it less than a dollar because that's just how it works. xD
that sounds very pessimistic, prices should prob go towards a range at which people pay others in low income countries to play for them
,maybe leveling takes lots of time, people play like 1h in games like HS to get 1 booster aka 1$
You'll have to forgive me for not taking your word that "it's just how it works". Time is quite literally the value of lots of existing in-game assets. WoW gold is condensed time.
(Or bots ofc, but let's assume the team handles the bot problem)
WoW autcion house, bound on equip items etc. are good examples as well
people play games to get less than 1$/hour worth of ingame currency all the time tbh
and did you see how cheap the chinese people were selling millions of ingame gold back in the day? idk the actual price but i expect it to be even lower
and the "other games are better f2p" example, I mean will those games have a similar Brand or esport or content creation or streamers or playerbase? or updates? or income to be alive in 2 years?
you can“t see this so one dimensional
We just can speculate tbh which i don't like to i prefer to sit in the other side to believe in what the team have in their mind/hands with this tremendous graphics and economy model for sure they have a plan in how to bring hundred of players

edit* maybe ILV doesn“t have all the named things either, who knows, that“s why we are speculating atm
that's a good point. assuming that illuvium succeeds on what we're trying to, that might play a major role in it's success in F2P and push people to pay. while also bringing another problem, how do you make a big eSports name with a small playerbase? (assuming people dont wanna pay and turn back to other games at first)
as a Swiss person used to french speaking communities, that's probably true. i'm used to a lot of salt and greed from players
also HS was not very F2P friendly at first, had millions of players
tbh HS was also the digital version of the WoW TCG, that got killed for it
glad someone else remembers this xDDDD i still have my deck
I played every TCG, card shop was my 2nd home xd
it's still mine xD every saturday i go play Magic, Weiss Schwarz and Dragon ball Super TCG
side fact, the HS autobattler just recently when to 20$/4months for actual competitive advantage, haven“t seen anything about game is dead yet
or rather more dead than before*
A tournament with good prizes is the way tbh and lot of placement not only for top 10 or top 20.
People will see the "esport scene" in twitch or w/e it is streamed and they will think "how can i get there" "what do i need" they will start buying their decks or even if they can't afford start grinding overworld to capture their illuvials and so on
I gave up few years ago, if I“d live in a different city, I“d still play yugioh I think
i mean their autobattler released AFTER TFT and with that thing of paying for more champions choice was such a garbage choice. i personnally don't get how they get players for it
not only tournaments i mean season prizes
It does seem like people don't mind paying for games as much as they used to. I mean, people even played Diablo Immortal, and that has a brutal monetization model
Axie has a lot of money in prizes, they still don't make it to mass adoption.
I think the HS one is easier to get into and harder to master than TFT tbh, game isn“t bad and games are faster than TFT by a lot, also no crazy positioning apm stuff, overall it is more easy to understand
and in Web2 Brawlhala had 200 times superior cash prizes to Smash but 1/100 of the playerbase.
Same with Dota and LoL
(I don“t like BG or HS or TFT really, wanna make that clear all bad games, but best we got atm)
Dota and LoL thing is mainly legal issues I think
I believe Riot can“t do same crowdfunding cause of some US laws
HS did the corwdfunding in 2020 as well and had to put a cap on the number, or so we were told
EU laws are very rude towards eSports too. like here in switzerland reason eSports is so dead is that players get taxed on eSports gains the same way as for lottery gains -> 33 HELLA PERCENT xDDDD
taxes are bad in europe, very socialist region
in portugal taxes are soooooooo high
i think problem in portugal is not really high taxes but more small salaries xD
half of your income goes to the government
same
its taxes as well
when you have to pay everything the same price that the rest of Europe while having half the salary...
but yes low salaries
need to move to texas, but these 80k new IRS agents monkaS
some things are cheaper but not every thing
i know right i grew in Algarve and plan on going back there sometime, once web3 will allow me to.
and now stuff is getting very expensive
oh
for real
im from lisbon
im here now
yep did school there till my 11yo
isn't portugal like 0 tax for crypto
long story but to make it simple im born in switzerland, went to live to portugal when i was 3 and came back 8 years later for studies
yes i think so
just because portugal is slow to adapt their laws. it's gonna change sooner or later
what do you miss more?
when you know the country you know their politics won't stay forever without claiming their part of the cake on such a business xD
yeah for sure
ahahah yess
I've been there for a month this summer, a lot of French/German/Italians come in Portugal to live due the taxes are low
um bitoque vem sempre bem ao almoƧo
i mean food over here is very good in my opinion
percentage-wise it's indeed smaller than in other countries. problem is salaries, they hella small there... the AVERAGE salary in portugal is only 70% of the MINIMAL allowed in France xD
Jeeeeeez iāve been choosen for the beta tester šš¼šš¼
hellz yeah i gott he beta email
but its going to 750
that's why i always said i wanna live in portugal but ONLY if i dont need to work anymore cauz i dont wanna be salaryman there
xd
Ye, same like in Serbia, here is like 500 eur avrage
750 is like less than energy bills in some countries, crazy
oh yeah eastern EU has similar problems that's true. i know a lot of Serbian/albanese people who came live here in Switzerland for that reason
one of my best buddies lives in serbia, he almost conviced me to move there, just need to make money on the internet
Well tbh
yup, and then like comparing to the us gas, cars, motorcycles and that kind of stuff is really expensive
actually not lmao! xD
the ones that don't play for our football team either made studies etc, or work in the security for night clubs/event
yeah eu has been paying about 2x, because of politics
ahahahah some do for sure
its cheap country to live, woman are beautiful, food is great
hmmm if you ask me i like more the portuguese ones xD
i do as well
nah we know you just say that because yours can read what you're typing š
hummmmmmm... dont be so sure
ahahahahah she cant
this man never tasted a good Bitoque or ChouriƧo
mesmoo
Anyone receive beta 2 mail? Is it real?
well then i guess it's all about tastes. i know Serbian food actually and it's not my cup of tea. Dated a serbian girl at some point (yep i managed to break up and am still alive despite the 2 big brothers xDDDD)
apparently @young moss did too
I just got one
Just want to be sure... i've been selected for the PB2 beta test but is this legit ?
yep, downloading atm
We are a barbeque country
whats the adress of the sender?
xd
beta @ illuvium . io
got it thanks
yep that's the good one
can't post pictures unfortunately
That's pretty dope ! thanks
Is it cool for me to stream it to my friends on discord, or is that a no no?
wen alpha
even n twitch or yt if you want, as long as you disclaim that it's a beta, work in progress, not finished product
you can stream everything
gotcha, sweet!
and that you have no links with the team
Ohh i am soo excited !
i am still waiting for that mail
All we ask is to let your stream know that you're showing beta footage, that they should expect bugs, and that what they see may not match the final product.
Other than that, go for it, have fun, and good luck
Windows defender blocked the start of the .exe to install illuvium š¤Æ
Yeah, that'll happen.
I just tell it to run anyway
thanks
OMG OMG OMG I got an invite!
Congratulation, you'll have so much fun
wait was i one of the 500 who won the lucky draw?
Let's go! Just got pb2 email
Welcome to the game! Feel free to hit us up with any questions.
GN Bros.. who got an invite to play beta?
I'm about to ask, where can i start, cuz I haven't really have the time to read up about the game, so I know nothing about the game haha
#šØćcommunity-content
#1023321182847631430
Illuvialmaster.com
Infoluvial.io
Could be a good start into pb2
oh gosh my laptop is laggy, i will need a better pc if I'm gonna play it
try lowering the resolution
how do i lower it?
in the gear symbol on the home page you will find a tab to change the resolution
I only have 1 resolution setting
But i did lower the fps so hopefully it will help
If not I'll just have to wait until I get a beefier computer to play on
Finally
Cuz my laptop is not meant for gaming
This was unexpected. LFG!
congrats man!
Aaaahhhhhhhhh, me tooooo š„š„š„š„š„š„š„š„
Congrats!
Same! Glad I sold my hunter deck before it got killed lol
was that the good cards only, no quests deck?
Its been years but it had that cheese where you can get back your life with the weapon. I didnt have quests in it i believe.
I don“t remember much either, but thought there was some curve hunter meta, jsut only played like best on curve cards, no quests
Hi guys!
One doubt about buy land on illuvidex.
My tokens have to be on IMX or ETH?
I was giga casual anyways
reminds me of usual HS hunter decks lol
on the last WoW TCG set I played one sneak for a buddy, opened the giga pack with spectral tiger+ x more mounts codes, I was so sad I didn“t play for myself
true lol
Hey Leo-- the IlluviDex runs on Layer 2 via IMX, so you'll need to deposit your tokens from Metamask on Layer 1 to IMX L2 if you want to purchase on there š
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well i m going to watch some illuvium vids
i recommend you @lapis crag vids!
also if you can make it to watch some @warm lantern streams on twitch or even just the VODs you'll probably learn a ton as well
recently Viper also started to give very useful tips on Twitter so you can definitely go check it out
okok, going to check it out now
Congrats malo
Charge that phone ser
Now top that leader board
Morning Scruba! How's it going?
Pretty good. Made breakfast for the kids and now I have some time to check discord before I have to get ready for work
Anyone have that diagram of which illuvial types are more frequent in certain areas
Hows your day going @quick spindle ?
?
thats for the skins in illuvium zero
hey hey family hope your all having an amazing day !!!! i was wondering if someone can help me, Im trying to figure out how come i havent been able to download the beta 2. when i go into my acc to download it just saying pending.. please help family
But isn't the idea behind the skins that those Illuvials are the ones walking around in the region?
not necessarily with the exact same rates tho
dont think there is an actual diagram for overworld since they are probably gonna be adjusted based on which regions are available
night friends! does anyone here knows how i can turn my ILV/ETH Pool SLP into ILV + ETH?
Hmmm...good point.
I hadn't thought of that.
Winding down for the day here... about to get some late dinner and then likely just watching a movie or show before crashing for the night!
Nice! Definitely good to unplug right before sleeping.
I just had a beta invitation. Lets go.š„
Congrats! Enjoy š And don't hesitate to leave feedback and report bugs through those forms in game!
Sure thing. I cannot wait to play after our working hours. Haha
ouuuuuu congrats !!!!! have lots of fun and please please drop lots in feedback
On it and thank you!
Does anyone have a recommended starter or strategy guide ?
Build up to having 3 types of Illuvials: tank for defense, damage dealer for offense, and a healer for support.
Awesome. thanks ill start there
Specifically:
Tanks are called Bulwarks.
Damage dealers are either fighter or rogue
Healers are Empath.
You can use the buttons at the bottom of the PB2 UI to select these classes and see your options.
Wait you're telling me Scoriox is not a Heal?!
dualeph is not a damage dealer
yep
Ok, the experts are here š
How dare you
Edit to add psion hahah
Make them look silly
but not all psions are dps
better is just to learn what the classes do
and what the units do roughly
yep i agree, best thing to do to learn the game is go on Training mode or open a website like illuvialmaster or Infoluvial and read. Don't be lazy to learn the stuff as this game is ONLY about decision making and game knowledge.
Think of this like Chess, if we just tell you the rules and how the pieces move you won't go very far
GM Scrubba š
Without thinking of affinities I can only get to wave 12 on average
Iām at the stage where I can start using them apart of my overall strategy
you can definitely go way past beyond that while completely ignoring the hyper system in it's actual state tho... in fact even the "pros" barely consider hyper when playing even the thoughest waves
Anyone know when alpha is supposed to launch?
Yeah Iām sure though I struggle to believe the pros barely consider the hyper system.
Look who got there bulldogs jersey. š
it doesn't matter, don't worry about it
Looks awesome Matt
Best to use this in #šćbot-commands Channel
Absolute legend thank you. This is what I meant.
Looking good
yo fraglet
woohoo!
yo fraglet I said
jesus is nobody in australia
Woohoooooo
im here š
Oh my god I totally forgot about fraglet
she was just a figment of your imagination
No no I mean I just forgot about the nick name
But like the word play
nobody. ever. has to explain. jokes. to me. I gotcha fam
Whatās with the punctuation
is it a joke that needs explaining ? š

cAme here for this reason
Thank illuvium for giving me the opportunity to join Beta 
Nice! Get some #1023658814710481056 reported and give some #1023648257659908126
Have you installed yet?
I just got selected as well
i guess we just click on Illuvium.exe ? Windows defender is blocking it saying it's an unrecognised app. AMATEUR lol
gm
Goodmorning Fraggy!
Same so just proceed?
Hi Fraggy
You lucky dog
Yeah i ran it and played a few wave it's all fine
Whatās you twitter?
Gimme some time to wake up crystalsnorter
haha. you had to read like a hundred lines to find dat
Hello All, I'm sure you all already know as gamers but just in case you don't the Dota2 International is being played out in Singapore right now, its a great opportunity to see what the best Esport game is doing and looks like today. I think Illuvium can learn allot from Dota2 in regards to esports/tournaments so I hope the core contributors can take some time to have a good look at what they have created in there world/competitions and how a reasonably simple MOB has such a missive following 13 years into its life. Thanks
bad timing considering the production of TI this year is a disaster 
GM everyone
I just got into the beta
May i know what is the daily challenge shown on the top left corner of the game ?
except Dota is not the best eSports game xD
it the one that holds the record of the biggest cashprize so far but it has been outclassed by LoL and Fortnite a while ago š
I like to watch all of these mega successful games and I can see what each of them dose to make there ecosystems work and make the games keep growing, I'm not interested in being salty or small issues I'm interested in seeing the big picture and development of Esports and Dota2 is one of if not the best example in the industry of the development of esports.
cant trust the opinion of someone who puts capital S in esports

No āshe doesnāt backreadā
I donāt
i just remembered interoperable characters has been done before....by nintendo
Lets watch and learn so we can get a very big peace of Esports pie as it will be bigger then conventional spots in our life time...
sure bro
i use macOS haha
btw, is it possible if I want to download the version of windows to play on another laptop?
because i only see download for macos...
The site knows what device you are using.
When on your windows machine it should let you download the windows version.
These machines man, they know everything
What does that even mean?!?
she'll figure it out
it makes sense i think
I gave up on trying to understand crystal
she seems like a challange to me š
but her twitter post was a work of art to say the least šŖ
Oh COMMAS were needed
Haha I'm not that bad!
Fuck. Yes. Damn. Noted for next time. Cheers
Lies

Bra still no release date on Illuvium zero alpha
Are you ok
Just fainted from the discussion lol. The chat has been going off the rails past few days
Itās getting strange in hear again
I'm sorry, I'll try to focus better.
Kinda feels like it got strange since you became active again 

Always happens. Lowest common denominator
Funny how I get blamed yet I hadnāt even said anything yet..
I can't blame myself
Frikking Figment
figment is now forever "Filament" in my eyes .....lol
must have been a figment of your imagination
Iām not even here and Iām getting blamed š
I was just trying to drag you into the conversation. Itās always more fun with you in here
Slap with one hand and hug with the other
It is?
And the warmth has suddenly left
Sure. I like salt š§
Yessss
This is the best sticker
Poor snail. They canāt handle salt
Don't know who made this, we should have a talk with that person
Itās sad
Kieran and TSG on Twitter should be interesting š¤ wonder what they'll be talking about
Hmmm I don't think I can join that one. Got degen business to attend
Lizard related?
No
Is it a gaming or NFT project?
Posted about it yesterday in #1023650415893545031. Got delayed 24h
Sup

Yay, got my email for PB2 š
Congrats!
Enjoy
Thanks mate
Follow Chris and you could get open world beta.
Overworld, open world sounds like open beta
gm all
oh yeah one of those... ok if that makes you happy
Colleagues. good day! can you tell me the approximate release date of the game?
There is no estimated timeline, we are currently on Private Beta 2
There is no official timeline. The closest you will get to that is Kieran confirming that the game will definitely be out by the end of next year, in a recent AMA. He has made too optimistic forecasts in the past, but you could tell this comment was clearly different. End of 2023 was so far beyond what was expected that he felt safe in confirming it.
Personally Iām expecting a launch of open beta in roughly 6 months. Thatās just my personal thought. š
Are you russian by any chance? I had meetings with people from russia and they love calling us colleagues š Wonder if its a cultural thing
Maybe thatās the more pc form of comrade
Russia jokes
Nice, enjoy!
Sure mate⦠already tested, with first run i get to the stage 7, very nice
A question⦠where can i study illuviatars, elementi and other else of the arena?
I would recommend illuvialmaster.com or infoluvial.io
And of course #šØćcommunity-content
LFG my bulldogs jersey has been shipped!
But, do you have the muscles to wear it?
oh trivia game for pb2 access, u guys enjoy i already have pb2 
GM Fraggy
Again? 

hahaha I just presumed because of the coffee sticker
Cooooffffffeeeeeeeeeeee
Mooooore cooffeeeee
ive been trying to learn TFT ... not doing so well š
I'm not even going to bother
better when we can do illuvium , i dont really want to do another game either
Thx mates @normal python @thin elbow
You shouldnt. Youve been doing really well in PB2 as of late.
Nah I'm not that good
pls give me the illuvium release now š„
Hello
TFT has some fundamentals regarding economy/items/positioning just start there
Hey man, Iāve been told pros donāt worry about building hyper in their strategy in the Arena. Theyāre kidding me right?
Hyper is very useless atm tbh
Other things are more important, might wanna pay attention to it early/midgame, but lategame there is always other stuff that is more relevant
Time for another coffee? I think so
Coffee and beta pairs very well
It's just coffee without beta
If I am in PB1 do I have to sign up again for the other games or is it a list that will go on for the other games ?
Interesting. Hope youāre not trying to lead your competition down the wrong path. I know soon a million dollars will be on the line š
we have to apply for them separately š¦
ok thx
thanks , been trying to wactch some youtube
but registration is not open yet ?
afaik, no, but they (ekhm, ekhm, Kieran) started to giveaway Overworld Beta access so i would keep checking discord closely š
Ive booked my one way ticket from chris@illuvium or whatever his twitter handle is ......lol
Lol, pretty much every run I play is on stream, you can just check it out, I am the last person to hide or mislead anyone
hes completely the opposite of his name's reputation lol
Lol
Namechange wen
Next time voice is full of tft interested people I can also explain a bit regarding the basic stuff, donāt know much about the meta atm, but my fundamentals are good I think
Can I install and play the beta on 2 Laptops? I've got 2 times the same Laptop. One is for at home and one is for the office.
I figuerd I could play at home and sometimes when I've got a break š¤£
hi
Sure but don't play on both at the same time
gm
eyerrr fraggy!
How are you today
Too much coffee, my head hurts š
Good morning
sup garf
gm fammmmm

I almost finished a chinese E-sports drama series (Kings avatar) on netflix last night. But at what cost. š¤£
Its not often that i stay up past 6. Idk how people stream 24 hours. I have a newfound respect for @split lintel and all other streamers š
lolll. just seen the trailer.. got a real 7 deadly sins vibe to it.
yeah, not easy putting yourself out there
Putting yourself out there is one thing but actually staying awake is another š¤£
lol true - coffee helps xD
No more coffee pls 
Mmm coffee
gm Rich
Not yet need a few more hours
Bye Rich
someone in here working with blender and knows if the "noise texture mode" got replaced with somethin else?
No idea what this is
Yes
you know someone working with blender? š¬
googled it, but couldn't find anything.
I only use a blender in my kitchen
This is what I first thought of when I read the message!
But I believe itās a tool people use to build/develop models for games or stuff online? Like a photoshop type thing?
No idea
Id like a banana smoothy thanks
I probably my shouldnāt try answering that sort of thing first thing in the morning
Banana?! Not going to add anything to that?

GM rangers
Morning! Howās it going?
Excellent! But my fingers are getting antsy to play! š
Keep missing the triviaās š
Haha gm Remi
Are you going to make it to Trivia this morning?
Itās in 2 hours š
Yeah I know and wonāt be able to make it, work has me on the lockdownā¦
Gm trivia soon š
Wen infoluvial ban from Trivia
Wen fraggy ban from the discord
First warning
Ask the real question.

These are two things that cant be seperated
never won 

Been quite busy this week, I won't do good on this trivia
Iām up earlier today but I see you there @clever kettle so I may as well send the ping your way
where is it

@quick spindle ive been waiting for the new sticker š¦
I did not see that š
Youāll join here in Discord voice
ok
Wtf is a Zula š
Is this the first leak of the fabled.... Koala?
shia labeouf š

PB2 done, ty
They tend to make emotes about the dtage ones right?
š
a leak?
Okay if itās poodle moth⦠itās not a leak.
the name might be a leak but that's it š
Just wasnāt sure about the name
Yeahhh, okay I see the poodle moth in it now hahah
I have some stickers I badly want to add but i won't (they are SO CUTE)
poddle moth at 3am XDDD
coooool
literally the name of the emote "3am"
But wen emotes
But literally all other emotes so far were from stage ones.
You can share them Jeremy hihihi
Love it. Itās usually how I feel/look in the morning. Iāve been posting the good morning cat gif each day, which is also how I feel/look in the morning.
Iāll maybe start switching it up between the two š
yeah, it's stage 1 Garf look at the red on the images.
I see why its poddle moth. Still a leak woot
where does it was leaked at 1st ?
Ive missed so much but now i must sleep I have an apointment with the nuns early in the moring
Stickers, these are not emotes
We got 2 coffee stickers. One for Kierans late night trivias and one for when we actually get a good nights rest lol
Oh yes my bad.
Take it easy Fubar! Can always catch up tom
I which you good success!
Good night all
Sleep well!