Physics Rain Mod

[digital glade]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3690902658

Physics Rain is an exciting survival mode in the arena. In the center is a huge hole that continuously showers players with heavy debris. Your task is to maneuver between flying objects, trying not to fall into the abyss while the arena under your feet shatters into pieces.

The idea for this mode is based on the good old mod from Garry's Mod. Now it is available in the world of Teardown with its unique destruction physics!

Mode features: Full setup: The host can change gravity, cannon fire rate, impact power, and match time right in the lobby. Spectator mode: Losing players are moved to a safe zone from where they can watch other players. Pedestal of Honor: At the end of the match, the winners solemnly show off on the podium.

IMPORTANT MESSAGE At the moment, I do not have the opportunity to test this mod directly in multiplayer mode (due to technical reasons, the debug mode does not work). Therefore, unexpected errors are possible. I will promptly fix all bugs that you write about in the comments. Thank you for your understanding and help in improving the mod!

To fully play, you definitely need an https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3690898227] (The Arena Voxel Drop). It is listed in the list of required items directly on this page (when subscribing to the mod).

[urban summit]

Ai generated slop 🥀

[digital glade]

of course

[fervent herald]

ai slop

[digital glade]

lmao, boys, where are these fantasies coming from? Claiming this is AI slop without any facts is, at the very least, bizarre. Yes, I used AI, but only a chat model for complex math (vectors, rotations, trajectories) and for generating the mod's logo. There were moments when I didn't understand how to implement a certain mechanic and asked the AI for help; of course, it failed, and I didn't notice it was using non-existent API functions. BUT! I did not use any code-writing tools (like Claude, Cursor, or anything similar). Not a single program of that kind was involved in my process. Calling the entire project "slop" is literally just devaluing someone else's hard work.

You know, Nietzsche said that man is a rope stretched between the animal and the Overman. The essence is the constant overcoming of oneself and breaking old boundaries. I understand your frustration, but rejecting AI in 2026 is essentially a voluntary rejection of evolution an attempt to stand still while the rest of the world flies ahead. While you’re manually digging through information the old-fashioned way, someone else will use neural networks to master the material ten times faster. Who do you think will ultimately create something great or secure a position at a good company? At best, it'll be the person who embraced progress; at worst, the AI machine itself. AI is not a replacement for the creator; it's the hammer in the hands of the one building the future.
Think about it

P.S. to translate the text, I also had to use artificial intelligence to test self-translation, that's probably all

[digital glade]

well, I hid the mod access to the mod, because it turned out that it is fully functional in editing mode, but in single-player or multiplayer it does not work for a reason that I do not understand, which I will be looking for. And it's strange that everything works fine in editing mode, but not in multiplayer / single player. (when starting 2-4 players mode, my host just crashes, I couldn't check it right away, alas)

[urban summit]

that "someone else who is using neural networks" is going to get the wrong information and quickly destroy their own ability to do any actual critical thinking and learning

and I think the people who actually can still critically think without needing a computer to do it for them are the ones who will create amazing things in this world while the ai bros who swear they need a machine to write their stuff or draw their art will be left behind grasping to it when the bubble pops

[somber terrace]

💀

[fervent herald]

ai slop answer

[fervent herald]

also what has nietzsche have to do with using ai, leave that guy alone 😭

[digital glade]

Dude, do you really think that AI will do all the work for you? Have you actually tried using AI to write a complex application architecture from scratch, a C++ game engine (or any other engine), or tried to get it to produce perfect, detailed rendering without artifacts? AI constantly makes mistakes, hallucinates, and writes erroneous code or text. To achieve a real result from AI, you must think critically — check every step, eliminate errors, understand the logic of the system and guide it. An "insignificant person" with artificial intelligence will simply produce garbage.
Your "arguments" sound exactly as if people in the 80s and 90s were shouting: "Computers will kill our ability to do mental math!" or something like that.
I also want to believe that this bubble will burst; to be honest, I'd be happy if it didn't exist at all. But technology continues to evolve, so we "ordinary people" just sit and watch as monopolies hire employees who know how to work with AI. These are facts, not fairy tales.
Besides, I still haven't seen any real arguments in favor of why my project "sucks at artificial intelligence." Unfortunately, I haven't seen any real takes.

[digital glade]

What does Nietzsche have to do with this? It's simple, but apparently I need to explain it to you. Nietzsche wrote that a person is not an end point, but a process of constant self-improvement and overcoming one's limits.
In 2026, artificial intelligence is not a tool for the lazy, but a technological extension of your mind, if you will. When I use a neural network to calculate complex vector math or create a logo, I don't relax — I free my brain from routine tasks for higher-level creativity. I am overcoming the biological slowness of the human mind.
Calling it lame AI fundamentally misunderstands the nature of progress. You cling to manual labor as if it were some kind of sacred relic, when in fact it's just an outdated way of digging the earth. As long as you spend time on what the machine can do in a second, others will move forward.
The irony is that you are protecting humanity by rejecting the very tools that make people stronger — it's just an objective fact. Can you give me at least one example where it didn't work in people's favor? There are many ordinary people who have created artificial intelligence applications and made a fortune. A simple example that you've probably heard of: the guy who created a simple app that counts calories just by photographing food. I bet this guy is very grateful for artificial intelligence. And I'm sure there are many similar examples.

[digital glade]

By the way, will there be any arguments that my answer was generated? Or are you just a windbag with no facts? also about the game mode code. I'll assume that you haven't even seen the game code, but you're talking such nonsense, vasya

[fervent herald]

ai slop

if you desire to talk with me write without using AI

i dont talk with computers

we dont negotiate with clankers

[fervent herald]

Manual labour is as outdated as having to explain to a hallucinating AI it cant use a hammer to dig a hole and that excavators arent self conscious. Ai produces shit results that you need to spend hours on to make it barely work rather than just making something from scratch that works

And besides that if you work on it from start you understand how it works and cant effortlessly edit it or explain it to others

You also commit mistakes and through them learn and discover new tricks and methods

Also most important part and pretty much point of this debate is PASSION and HUMAN EXPRESSION

People "consume" what others create because they want to experience / connect with the author

When you create something your work reflects your workflow and your own flaws and pros, Yhe current state of your mind leaves a stain on the work. It can be recognized from a mile away just from the feel it gives

With AI your mod is just another copy paste corporate product

with no Passion or Uniqueness to it

People read books not for the story itself but for the meanings behind those stories intended by the author

People look at art not for whats drawn on it but for the meanings and expressions author felt when making strokes with their brush.

in the same way People play games not for the gameplay itself but for the passion and meanings put into it by the creators

Also big part why alot popular titles are Indies, because a small dev team has more field for self expression through their work

[digital glade]

So, are there actually going to be any arguments or proof that the code or my messages were generated? Or are you just some random guy who can't even back up his claims? Honestly, if you can’t provide a single solid point, there’s no reason to continue this discussion. I’m bringing actual arguments to the table, and in return, I’m getting literally nothing.

All this talk about "soul" and "brushstrokes"? What does that even have to do with anything? That specific "take" was definitely generated by AI; I haven't read such nonsense in a while, lol. It’s ironic that you’re accusing me of using AI when your own text looks exactly like a generated output.
My points:

1. You haven't provided a single argument. Not one. You haven't even seen the code, yet you claim it’s generated. Is that normal? I think not - you’re delusional, dude. It’s sad that you can’t distinguish manual logic from generated code.
2. Who told you that using an AI assistant means you don't make mistakes? You still make errors in architecture, connection logic, and the overall concept. The only difference is that I don't waste time on routine mathematical calculations that an AI can handle much faster.

Let's go back to the start: you have zero proof regarding the code, just an incoherent wall of text

[digital glade]

The effectiveness of independent teams depends entirely on their size. As a single developer working at UE4, I know exactly what game development looks like and how long it actually takes. I worked on the project in 2023-2024, when artificial intelligence was just beginning to gain momentum, and at that time I didn't even know it existed - besides, it was pretty stupid then compared to what we have now. If I had these tools then, I would have reduced the time spent writing C++ code by at least 5 times. In addition to writing code, I was engaged in all other routine tasks: architecture design, model creation, user interface design, textures, and so on. At that time, the only thing that helped me was creating images for some photo textures - literally just a photograph of a person in a painting, that's all.

Nowadays, the popularity of indie games is growing rapidly thanks to technology, including artificial intelligence. For example, 2% of the engine code (Unreal Engine, for example) was written using artificial intelligence - and now, is it bad? According to your logic, your own game sucks just because it was built on an engine that used an artificial intelligence assistant or similar tools.

Damn it, according to your logic, using ready - made resources can also be called hacking, because you bought or downloaded them instead of creating them from scratch. If your mods use any existing resources-even from the game itself - then you're literally burying yourself, buddy.

Self - expression in indie games depends on the idea, gameplay and atmosphere, not on routine calculations.

[eager fractal]

writes a mod with AI and talks about how programming with it is the future and anyone who doesnt do it is behind

disables mod because its not working and doesnt know why
lol

[digital glade]

until I see at least one argument that I asked for, I don't see the point in this discussion, because all the arguments are on my side, that's a fact. Or don't waste your time and mine.

[digital glade]

So, lol, that's a fact. My mode works in edit mode, but not in single player or multiplayer mode. What could be the problem, hmm

[fervent herald]

Unreal Engine is complete slop that runs at 10fps on modern hardware

It can run good but only if developers put in the effort to optimize it

which AI cant do..

because it takes actual knowledge of the projects and is completely dependent on inner workings of it which again AI doesnt know

Only good use of AI is automating basic tasks algorithms already could do anything else is COPE

[digital glade]

I've already uploaded a gif to the modding-discussion channel, where it can be seen that the mod works completely in editing mode, but online it breaks for a reason I don't understand. At least I haven't looked for a bug yet. I'll start looking for the problem today.

[fervent herald]

10x devs dont exist

[fervent herald]

Ask AI

oh wair sorry

it cant solve it

[digital glade]

Lmao

Will there be arguments?

[eager fractal]

huh, thats weird

im actually not sure

is it uploaded properly? what does the info.txt file look like

i could try looking at the mod tomororw in the local files

[digital glade]

are you blaming the engine for its work right now or what? why do epic games work great on this engine? or from embark studios (ark raiders, the finals), probably because their hands are growing from the right place? Indie developers using this engine use hundreds of ready-made assets and unreal technologies without thinking about optimization. Your take sucks again, you don't seem to know how to have a discussion or make arguments. All the takeaways are on my side.

[eager fractal]

see if i could catch it

[fervent herald]

I literally gave you arguments, all you said was paraphrase random authors and glaze AI and how youre too lazy to learn math

My arguments are valid, People dont consume for the sake of consumption but to experience something deeper and to connect with the authors

AI is the peak corporate consumerism

Constant generation of content to be consumed once then discarded

[digital glade]

everything is loaded correctly, as soon as I have time, I will go look for the true cause of the problem, because again, the mod works in editing levels. If I had the opportunity to watch in 2-4 players mode, I would check whether it starts or not, but alas, when I start this mode, my host crashes, and clients can't log in (I think it's unclear why)

[fervent herald]

to generate the next one

[digital glade]

Where exactly did I say that I was too lazy to study mathematics? Show me the quote. Asking AI to help with specific mathematical settings for a mod is called work efficiency, not laziness. Coming up with something because you don't have any real arguments is strong.
You keep using the same buzzwords about corporate consumption, but they have nothing to do with my project.
Who told you that this project would be "dropped" after the release? This is another lie that you just made up.
Regarding valid arguments, you haven't touched on any of my technical comments. You haven't seen the code, you don't understand the architecture, and you keep hiding behind values and relationships because you can't talk about real development. There is an irony in this: You claim to value human self-expression, but all you're doing is creating a flood of misconceptions and fabrications. If you can't provide a single piece of evidence that my code sucks or that I said what you claim, then this is not a discussion - it's just your conversation with your own imagination.

[digital glade]

And yes, forget reading this. You claim that this code was written by an AI, but at the same time you write that it will not be able to find the error. Double standards

[lethal sorrel]

Hey! Just a quick reminder that the rules apply in this channel as well, including rule #1. Please make sure to follow them and be respectful toward each other. 🙏🏼

I know AI is a sensitive topic for some people on this server, but there’s no need to start arguments about it. If someone chooses to use it, that’s up to them and realistically, AI is becoming a part of most industries. So I don’t think that it is that strange if someone uses it to solve a mathematical problem to get their mod working.

[eager fractal]

does the mod work for you when you play the workshop version

or does it just not work for other people

[drowsy fern]

I'd rather keep my ability to think and create, thanks. That "streamlined" future is not evolution for humanity. Sure, it'd be more convenient, fast, and productive, but at a cost. WALL-E is a literal kids movie about this concept. We will give AI all the tasks and we will push the button to initiate it. But we will ultimately lose that ability to do it ourselves. If for whatever reason we lose AI to act as our hands, we'd be utterly lost, vulnerable and unable to think independently. The AI thinks for us. Does things for us. Sure, we have the idea, but we will gradually lose the ability to do it. AI is good for many things. Researchers told an AI to design a CPU that had to perform at a specific very fast speed. It designed a completely new type of CPU that works like no other. The researchers are currently reverse-engineering it to see how it ticks. That's truly amazing. What isn't amazing is if we didn't use our heads to learn how it worked. We very easily could have just had AI decode it.
And with creative processes like art, the sole point is for it to be made by humans, saying, "Hey! This is what I conjured with my consciousness!". Sure, it's long and hard process. But not everything has to be efficient, and that's not the point with creativity anyways.
At the end of the day, humans need to still be able to do things on our own. If we can't, which overreliance on AI will erode at, we won't evolve, we'll devolve. That's the fear. It needs to be a balance!

[lethal sorrel]

I think you're right and I think the key word here is just that; balance.

[digital glade]

You've made some valid points, and I agree with a lot of what you've said. However, let's start with the fact that AI doesn't really know how to think - it's not a person, it's a tool. I still believe that we don't really have artificial intelligence yet, all we have is neural networks. Since they can't think like humans, the word intelligence doesn't really fit, in my opinion, but okay, let's call it artificial intelligence for now.
As for the loss of skills, your example with the processor is actually great. Artificial intelligence can create something so unusual that it forces us to go even further, just to understand how it works. I wouldn't call this a transfer of authority, but it's a new level of learning. I don't just click on a button and get the finished result, I have to analyze what artificial intelligence gives out, correct its mistakes and understand how it all works.
As for the fact that art is a manifestation of consciousness, I agree. But when it comes to my project, it's more of an engineering challenge. If the AI helps me calculate the physics of rain faster, my consciousness will definitely not suffer from this.
As for the balance, the problem is not the instrument itself, but how you use it. If you use AI to avoid thinking, then yes, you will most likely deanradiate. But if you use AI to think faster and bigger, then you evolve. It's just an objective reality.

[digital glade]

Of course, to test the mod in multiplayer, I had to upload the mod to the workshop, or I couldn't check how it works.

[digital glade]

It doesn't work for me, I don't think it works for everyone. Unfortunately, when I asked for 5 minutes of help from people to check the mod, no one agreed, so I had to check it myself in the multiplayer, and yes, it didn't work there either. The only place he worked was in level editing.

[digital glade]

By the way, Danny, I do not know if I can ask you or talk about it in general, but could you please pass it on to your developers (who are doing this) to fix the editing bug. I'll leave a link here if someone knows what the problem is. I apologize if I disturbed you.
https://discord.com/channels/760105076755922996/1485561258362011799

[lethal sorrel]

Most probably someone from Tech Support will look into it; if not them, Jim, one of our devs, looks at that channel as well.

[fervent herald]

Dont you just type in text into q textbox and get the result

[south ledge]

holy cow i can't believe i missed the yap session going on here

[real elbow]

does the local multiplayer test from the editor not work for you? That helped me a lot.

[digital glade]

Wait, aren't you the guy who couldn't make a single argument?

[digital glade]

Yes, that's right, I have a problem when testing multiplayer in the editor. my host crashes without errors in the logs.

[fervent herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402464748347592704/1405604554199793746/Untitled_video_10.gif

How bro feels after he refuses to listen to any of my arguments

[real elbow]

did you define a function inside a sub object of the shared structure? I found a crash related to that while updating one of my mods (so basically don't do function shared.object.process())

else some debugging should get you to the part that causes crash : just comment everything in your main.lua and uncomment things one at a time until it crashes...

[digital glade]

the problem is that the multiplayer editor doesn't work for me in general. Even without mods

[digital glade]

cite at least one argument to my question, which I have asked not once, at least once. Dude, really, online discussion is not your level, I'm afraid of what's going on in life. Don't be afraid to respond to takeaways like "And what?😎 "

[fervent herald]

pretty much this entire message

maybe you would have noticed it if you still retained your ability to think for yourself

Using AI cuts away all the slack and hardship of creative work which is like the entire reason why humans do it

[fervent herald]

Also you are losing here with ad hominem by assuming my discussion skills as less than yours

You are blantantly ignoring what i say and glazing AI like its a gift to humanity that ascends a human being into some ethereal status

when all it does is pull half true shit from Internet without taking copyright into account

not mentioning the side effects of AI datacenters on enviorment

and overall entire AI tech field being predatory and a fairy tale told by investors to other investors so they can scam them from money on things that will never exist

[digital glade]

And what are you dropping this screenshot for? To what? Okay, I'll also drop a screenshot where I've broken down your alleged arguments, meaning you don't have any arguments on your account. And yes, I still haven't seen the tweet where my text was (in the chat) generated, and I still haven't seen any arguments for this nonsense, man. And yes, I'd love to see more arguments about the code, because it's not just a coincidence that you mentioned that the Ai Slop project has no arguments. If you show me at least one, I'll admit defeat, but for now, you're just a dreamer)

[digital glade]

Oh, that's interesting, where did I get personal? Can you provide arguments, or is this just a figment of your imagination? I still respect you, even though the rules of the community are against you. I think anyone else would have sent you away long ago, because, as I said, discussions are not your strong suit. You can't provide any of the arguments that are expected of you. You're just making things up. You are asked to provide evidence that the text in my chat was generated by artificial intelligence, or that the mod was completely generated (by "ai slop" I mean complete code generation, so you claim that the entire code of the project was generated by artificial intelligence, and I ask you to provide evidence, but you can't. Lol, at least you don't have the source code, but you're already panicking, Vasya.

[digital glade]

Does ai use monopolists and other corporations? In a sense, yes, but the opposite is also true. For many years, high technology and large development teams have been the corporate barrier.
Ai allows independent solo developers to compete with these corporations by automating routine tasks that previously required multimillion-dollar budgets.
Dude, wake up, you're not living in a world without ai. Whether you like it or not, time is passing, and the world is changing. No one is asking for your opinion. People have already accepted the emergence of artificial intelligence, and it's unlikely that this bubble will burst. Keep enduring.

I think it's time to end this pointless discussion, as we won't be able to understand each other. I've always said and will continue to say that 98% of people will remain steadfast in their opinions during an argument. If you wish to continue the discussion, feel free to contact me privately, but first, provide me with two arguments regarding the "Ai slop" text and code. If you can provide an argument or try, I'll respond, but otherwise, I'll just ignore it:) Stop clogging the channel with garbage, okyes?

[fervent herald]

Lmao, independent developers were always able to compete its just that those people had none of the skills necessary to do so, Ai has no use beyond whats on the internet Have you seen farmers needing Ai? Have you seen construction workers needing Ai? Have you seen chefs or anyone who doesnt does physical work need Ai? No because its literally worthless beyond making half assed thumbnails and stealing code from github.

[fervent herald]

What about i say that uhm u dont give effoc that youre malding that you cant work without Ai. Im right and you know it. Ai is trash tech that is just a temporary trend that will die off once all the investor money runs out, its already decaying. Human creativity will prevail and machine will rust.

[digital glade]

Did I write somewhere that artificial intelligence will replace someone or something like that? It can help these guys, but it won't replace them. You're like my friend who tried to convince me that AI will replace firefighters, but he couldn't provide any arguments. It was funny to hear this from someone who is several times smarter than me. As for different professions, AI can help speed up the learning process or answer questions that have already been written by humans. I've already written that ai is a neural network, not an intellect, so you're getting a response that was once written by a human or a similar entity. Ai doesn't have an intellect because it's not a human. That's enough for now.

[fervent herald]

Where did i mention replacement i said DID YOU EVER SEE THEM NEED AI

No because its worthless to 90% of fields

beyond high level science and IT

The point here is that using AI in creative fields of work is stupid and useless because it gets rid of the hardships that make that specific work of art special. That includes games mods and other digital content

Yes AI is useful in science and other tech fields

but we are focusing creative work

[digital glade]

I know you're wrong, but at the same time, you're talking about me, lol. You understand that by "cars will rust," you're referring to all cars? In other words, an ordinary computer. Lol, by this logic, I can say that your mods are garbage because the code was compiled by a computer.

[fervent herald]

In context of a mod, Making an AI thumbnail is wrong because it misrepresents the mod, and makes it not unique it lacks soul and shows lack of effort from the developer

[fervent herald]

Where did i mention cars or that your work is garbage or anything about you

I said it in a rethoric way as in

[digital glade]

The point is the same, how do you know that the nth farmer named bob doesn't use ai? Maybe he's asking how to monitor a vegetable he planted for the first time?

[fervent herald]

Nothing will replace human work and creativity

[fervent herald]

He does not, i could literally go door to door and ask farmers if they use AI and none of them will answer Yes

and even if one does that doesnt make it any different

Majority would need to use it for it to prove useful

[digital glade]

What is the stupidity of using ai for creative purposes? Let's start with what you mean by creative purposes. A game engine is also a form of creativity. The code is written for it (even 0.1% of it) is this ai, does it mean that the project is garbage?

[fervent herald]

A game engine is not creative work its a Tool not a finished product consumed by the average user its like calling a box of paints and artwork or an empty canvas an artwork

Creative work is any end-product meant to be consumed and interpreted by the basic user. So any form of media

While using AI doesnt necessarily make it "bad" it does make it more generic and less unique. Since AI as you said is a neural network we know it just gives you the average result from its dataset and so media made by ai even partially will all be similar

It can be seen in Mod thumbails made by AI they are all the same visually

you can literally tell them apart from human made ones

It already strips the mod from one layer of uniqueness

Look at my thumbnails for example i have a specific style i use, you can recognize my mod from a mile away. Because i developed a unique artstyle through iteration and mistakes.

[digital glade]

Who said it wasn't right, you? So, if I just uploaded the original screenshot as the cover, would you call it art? Your logic is very strange. By generating the cover, I saved myself time. Instead of going to Blender, creating a 3D model, or taking a ready-made one from the game files and setting its pose, etc. Let's imagine that I'm a real fool and I go to do this (create a scene, model, etc.), the question is, who will pay attention to it? You? Okay, what's next for me? I don't really care, but the only downside is that I wasted a lot of time creating the cover, lol.

[fervent herald]

Same with anything else, when you generate code with AI or use it to help with design it will tend towards the average never inventing anything new your code wont get a chance to do something in a unique way

[fervent herald]

Yes i would call it art because its visual media, its same as a photograph expect its digital landscape. You saved time by putting in no effort.

Okay so lets say its yout birthday and instead of your family coming over and telling you haopy birthday in person they send you an auto generated message

How would you feel?

Its a narcisstic respone but why?

Because it took no EFFORT

they didnt want to sacrifice their TIME for YOU

Same with any creative work, When you make a thumbnail yourself you are sacrificing time for the users

Its a sign of respect and putting in the effort to make the best work for them

It shows love and care for the craft

Instead of chasing imaginary margins of efficency

What will you even do with that extra time?

Atleast when you spend it making a thumbnail yourself in gimp, you learn a valuable skill.

You know its way more impressive and fullfilling to do something by yourself with your own hands and see it come out how you imagined it

than tell a robot to do it for you

and not even get what you imagined

[digital glade]

Do you realize that you've devalued the work of all the hardworking people who created the game engines? Literally, you've just spit in the face of the engineers at Tuxedo Labs, man, you've really spit in their face. You're saying that the people who created UE, Unity, Rage, and so on didn't create anything, they just assembled tools. This is devaluing the work of thousands of brilliant programmers whose self-expression lies in the elegance and efficiency of their code.
Hello, you've even devalued your own work. What could it be about. Can we call your mods a creation in this case? I don't think so, after such words, I can say that you didn't invest in the development of your mods.

[fervent herald]

You are trying to catch me in the feels. I didnt devalu their work by not glazing them

Its literally not creative work its a TOOL

its impressive

but not a piece of media

or art

its like if i offended engineers behind hammers by saying hammers arent creative work but tools

[fervent herald]

Well lets say the 100k+ people who subscribed to my mod Did Novena not invest into it?

Did you get onto featured atlest once?

My mods have literally gotten approval of devs

I know the value of my own work and dont your approval

[digital glade]

Comparing a game engine to a hammer is a very silly comparison. It's just ridiculous. A hammer performs a single mechanical function. A game engine, on the other hand, is millions of lines of complex code that represent thousands of creative decisions in architecture, optimization, and visualization. Calling it just a tool is not creative. It devalues engineering genius. By your logic, Stradivarius was not a creator because a violin is just a tool for a musician, not a final product for the user. You are confusing a physical object with a digital ecosystem created by the mind.

[fervent herald]

What about a Nuclear reactor is that better?

Its not a work of art its a Tool

its used for generating energy

people dont ponder it

people dont interpret it

they use it and it works

Same with a game engine

Its a tool it just has to work and be useful

Where art doesnt

It has to have meaning, it has to be unique and has to affect your emotions

A game is a work of art, it has a meaning, it can be interpreted pondered and affects your emotions

A damn teardown mod fits this criteria

[digital glade]

What does the quality of your work have to do with it? It's great that 100,000 people have subscribed to your work and passed the developer selection process, but what's next? Does it mean anything to me? As for your mods, I've never seen them, and even if I had, I wouldn't have downloaded them because I'm not interested in such content. My subscriptions are either maps or mods related to TABS, nothing more. But the fact is, what's next? Your mods are a tool for other people, according to your logic, and that's it, isn't it?

[fervent herald]

Maybe it is just that, this conversation is pointless you will keep doing your thing i will keep doing mine.

Maybe Someday you will see through and feel the dame Passion i do

or maybe not.

[digital glade]

Creating a reactor requires a lot of imagination, a creative approach to solving complex problems, and the design of systems that didn't exist before. The fact that the average user simply consumes energy without understanding how it is created doesn't make the engineers' work any less creative. You're confusing the viewer's perception with the creation process again, lol

[fervent herald]

You are now fighting over meanings of words

Foes it meantion engineering anywhere?

No it doesnt

so stop trying to be Oh so philosophical mr Reddit

[digital glade]

It's silly to talk about passion without knowing anything about me, lol. You know who I am, what I do, and so on, but you're talking about some kind of passion, lol. It's funny. Yes, I don't understand the passion behind developing a mod with guns, but I do understand the passion behind developing your own game engine, your own game, your own project, or something similar.

[fervent herald]

Well your passion doesnt seem to be very bright when you cant even spare 10 minutes to make a thumbnail to a mod.

[digital glade]

It's ridiculous to use a legal definition from Wikipedia to describe the essence of creativity. This is a copyright definition, not a philosophical or technical description of human innovation. According to your logic, if something isn't listed on Wikipedia, it's not considered creative? This isn't an argument; it's just an attempt to make decisions for others.

[fervent herald]

Bro when did i meantion it not being creative we are talking about CREATIVE WORK

AS IN CULTURE

its impossible to discuss with you

you dont even follow basic definitions

you just beat around the bush

thats it im blocking you

im done

[digital glade]

Seriously, a fashion cover that people will see and then forget about? Okay, I'll give you an argument in favor of disassembly, so you don't have to go far. I have a map that I've posted. This is my neighborhood, where I live, and even the houses are the same. I decided to completely copy the balconies from Google Maps to make them match reality. For example, the first floor has a wooden balcony, the second floor has a new glass balcony, and the third floor doesn't have a balcony at all. And I repeated this in three buildings that have a total of more than 200 apartments. The question is, did anyone notice? The main question is, why did I do it? To get 5 minutes of dopamine when I see it, or what?

[digital glade]

It's funny to see. How a person leaves the discussion without being able to withstand the arguments. Note, I wrote above that I am ready to continue the discussion with him in oich messages, so as not to clog the chat, but decided to go on this child. I did not block him or anything like that, and he like a child, blocked me, although, I did not even write esu and did not sobiratsya. Question, and why? To what? Well, okay, this kid has a right to do that, who am I to ask him about it? It's just that I can clearly see that he didn't admit defeat like a man, but like a kid, by blocking someone on the internet (Carl, on the internet, a person he'll never see again, (I hope), lol). It's funny

The saddest thing about this discussion is not that he left it like a pitiful child cowering in a corner, but that he insulted the work of programmers with a single sentence. "Engine developers don't create, they build a tool" (this is not an exact quote, but the meaning is the same). With this sentence, he not only insulted engineers, programmers, and game developers, but also himself, who creates content for consumption rather than showcasing his creative artistry. Unfortunately, this is the case.

[lethal sorrel]

Hey! Just a quick note after reading this through; let’s keep this channel focused on finished mods and avoid long debates or personal arguments. Topics like AI can get heated and people here will most likely have different opinions, but please keep discussions respectful and know when it’s time to step away from a discussion. If you want to continue discussions like this, feel free to take it to DMs. 🙏🏼

[digital glade]

I want to apologize for the situation, for having to watch this conversation, and for the fact that it took place at all, but I suggested that the other person move the conversation to private messages, and they simply ignored my messages and continued the discussion in the chat. I followed their example and continued the conversation, which was my mistake. However, as you can see, this person was unable to defend their position and simply left the conversation. Unfortunately.

[lethal sorrel]

Maybe sometimes it’s best to agree to disagree if a discussion doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. 😉

[south ledge]

i could turn this entire thing into a book

cause holy hell there are so many paragraphs of words

[digital glade]

It would have been nice if he had agreed, but he just left to do what? Well, that's his right. I don't really care, but I'm sorry for my wasted time, even though it's my own fault.

[drowsy fern]

Not only did that theoretical chimpanzee type all of Shakespeare by chance, they also wrote this entire conversation too. (And everything else that could/would exist in writing)

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-hamlet-ip-meme-gif-11840827450625277466

[fervent herald]

I am the theoretical chimpanzee

just havent gotten to writing Shakespeare yet

[teal shadow]

i mean i use a LLM but as a tool not to replace the entire task. i read the entire thing what the LLM outputs and then ask questions about it. it is nice cause you can solve problems more faster this way but human review is still recommended

[dire leaf]

graahh.. its like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging but the duck can speak

[digital glade]

Maybe it's cool, because you don't spend tons of hours writing routine code, but damn, it breaks all the fun of coding, in my opinion.

Let me put my point this way.

If you write code through an IDE with LLM support in order to make money somehow, for example, to sell your product (create a calorie counting app using LLM, as I gave this example above. A guy created such an app and now he's just enjoying himself, making money out of nothing, literally. Is it not cool? I think it's great. Yes, I understand that it counts calories incorrectly without knowing anything about the product, of course, unless you specify it yourself, but as I remember, a photo is simply necessary there, because there is no chat with AI there, but anyway, let's not go into details, because the point is that the author made money. I understand that money doesn't bring happiness, but as a fact, isn't it good if you earn some easy money and spend it on yourself, your family, etc.? Again, let's not go into how, who will spend the money, and whether there is happiness or meaning in money, we'll skip this philosophical question. The main thing is, if you manage to create a product with LLM and earn money on it, I think you should hire real professionals if you plan to continue working on this product and not abandon it.

Also, I think it's cool to use AI in learning. Of course, you shouldn't stop reading, say, a programming book (for example, on OOP), but AI can help you explain a topic that you didn't understand and try to find answers to your questions (like: why, when writing code in C++, does changing the order of this structure result in different code weights?

struct A {
    char c;      // 1byte
    int i;       // 4byte
    char d;      // 1byte
}

struct B {
    int i;       // 4byte
    char c;      // 1byte
    char d;      // 1byte
}```
P.S - (A = 12 byte,  B = 6 byte)

It can explain to you why it works this way. Yes, you can go and google it, but what if you don't find an explanation that you understand? That's what I'm getting at.

This is kind of like the era when Google was just emerging.

You have a question, but instead of going to look for an answer in the library, asking a teacher, you google it. It's the same here, a new tool has appeared that we use, because it's more convenient and in fact faster.

[digital glade]

But if you use LLM in your field (for example, if you are a C++ programmer) and instead of writing code using your own knowledge, you use an IDE with LLM, then, damn, it's a bit sad, because what kind of thrill do you get from pressing a couple of buttons in your main job? You just generate code; if you don't understand something, you ask how it works, and that's it. Well, in my opinion, this doesn't bring any pleasure to the actual coding process, but again, this is my opinion. I wouldn't use AI in this case. As I wrote above, I would use it if I didn't know how to write some mechanics, function, mathematical calculations, etc. Or in searching for a bug that I can't find myself (spent 15 minutes or more looking for a bug and didn't find it, I can ask AI. At worst, I'd go ask a question on Stack Overflow).

My position is as follows.

I am more than sure that Novena meant that my mod is an ai aid not only for creating images, but also for writing code. Again, what's the point of me doing this personally? I don't seem to be making any profit from it. I made this mod exclusively for myself and my friends, with whom I played this mode in Gmod, and decided to transfer it to TD to make it more fun and, if possible, publish this mod for everyone.

By the way, as for the mod, I still haven't looked for a bug, I haven't had time. Perhaps someone was interested or could ask this question. I'm currently more focused on a student startup that I'm working on alone. I have a release coming out next week, so I'm fully devoting my time to this project. While testing was going on, I wrote this game mode during breaks. Unfortunately, I was never able to test it in multiplayer due to an error in the game itself. Anyway, it doesn't matter now, I've stated my position. While Novena is posing as a UnaBomber, all he can do is sit in his room and hope that someone else will break this bubble for him, lol. Okay, that's enough

[dire leaf]

are you still using ai to write an essay of an answer bruh

I don't know if ur writing with ai just gonna say.

[digital glade]

Lol, another smartass. Can you prove it, lol

[digital glade]

man, I'm using a translator, I don't have a great knowledge of English to spell it out for you verbatim. In simple words, I can, but will I be able to win the discussion? I don't think so.

[digital glade]

Everything above was all written by me with a translation, that's all. If you're so stupid that you can't distinguish a dumb AI slop response from a human one using REGULAR Google Translate, then I'm deeply sorry, lmao

I can safely write in my native language, but will you understand? I don't think so. Writing in my language will be a plus for the me, because the translator will not be able to disguise the words and the meaning that I want to convey. However, he will break something anyway, because to read the text to you, you will need to use a translator, alas.