EmailThing - A modern email client designed for simplicity and the web!

[vital heron]

its more pain for vps tho

[thorn pike]

I've been looking really into what I want to use for my next project, and Vercel really got me hooked with the automatic builds and the preview branch system, etc
Its just so simple, and it just.. works lol

And I get really fast loading times globally too lol

[vital heron]

well just so you know, i have had to spend ages and have still side effects of my current method of deployment

its not as simple as vercel

its auto now via git hooks and gh actions build, but still

[smoky oyster]

for my next project i gonna use vercel for frontend and workers for backend

[vital heron]

i hope your not using nextjs there

i think if nextjs, just use one thing for everything

[smoky oyster]

it is nextjs although the thing i'm working on is a service that provides apis so it would make more sense to use a dedicated backend provider

[heavy peak]

btw, any serverless provider has cold starts

cold start is something introduced by serverless, cold start being the time it takes to start a nodejs server

[vital heron]

clearly it was not the right method as you canceled it, its no longer active :0

[heavy peak]

you dont have to constantly start and stop new servers on a vps

[vital heron]

yeah^

[vital heron]

cloudfare workers are by far the best one as its so quick i dont think its classified

the restrictions are it doesnt allow that much storage, as it needs to be able to be ran quickly

-# but ngl this is getting off topic for emailthing :)

[heavy peak]

the thing is, vercel dosent have a limit wrt to ram. NextJS eats up quite a lot of ram (contrary to how much it shld take to run stuff). This is cause at the end of the day, its still js :D

So what i always go for is just vercel for the frontend, and all my backends on my vps since im using go now :D

but the non commercial thing is always a point

[heavy peak]

yup my bad lol

[vital heron]

nah its not really your fault

[vital heron]

150mb is some decent but realistically its not that much

node normally is at least 50

[heavy peak]

eh, thing is nextjs slowly but steadily takes up more ram

its some bug with their image optimizations

[vital heron]

just commit quickly and restart it so often!!!

the real reason i commit so much to emailthing (no it really isnt)

[heavy peak]

https://github.com/vercel/next.js/issues/54482 :D

[vital heron]

heh reason why i dont use

[heavy peak]

xD
I just dont have all that extra ram to spare on running all my goofy websites :D

ok #off-topic

lol

[vital heron]

wow systemctl good for restating, as i jokingly kill emailthing process in htop and it restarts

:)

[vital heron]

i have a question, should i keep my infinite scroll or have actual pagination?

i am liking proton mail's ui

and will make my thing more small and simpler

[vital heron]

is this any good?

[vital heron]

@oak star let me know if this looks bad on your device (ngl lots of the ui should be smalled down, and now its more inconsistent but ehh should fix soon)

[vital heron]

for mobile, i will make it better like the gmail app :)

[smoky oyster]

there is a mobile app?

ah you mean the mobile website

[smoky oyster]

I figured you'd need a better hero title

[brisk moth]

the old one was fine imo

i liked it

[brisk moth]

yeah it looks a lot better

👍

[brisk moth]

btw is this a concept design or have you implemented it already

[brisk moth]

lots of failed builds lol

[vital heron]

pushed like 30mins after i posted

[brisk moth]

oh i see

nice

[brisk moth]

btw are the email domains going to continue to be emailthing.xyz

or are you going ot shift to emailthing.app

[brisk moth]

way too long lol

[vital heron]

yeah

not any difference for discoverability it seems... and now i can keep .app for more "official" things :)

[vital heron]

also looks like is trying too hard - seo or ehh, i like mine as it feels funny and dumb but gets point across by showing "emailthing" and a tiny bit more

(and privacy i really am not going to say for a while until i do encryption as... yeah i dont look at your emails and such but its a bold claim and others have way more)

[brisk moth]

yeah your seems simple enough

i like it 👍

[smoky oyster]

hm

[vital heron]

So... uhh Bing likes my github and direct ip... but not domain again... they not ok

[half surge]

@vital heron i dont know much about email protocols, but how do you handle POP (and the others)

[vital heron]

Pop is annoying, but it's basically the same as IMAP (pop just deletes it once you receive)

I don't support these tho

Kinda huge effort ngl

[half surge]

which ones do you support

[vital heron]

None

Emailthing is kinda lazy and just Web ui

[half surge]

How does the CF Worker know to receive any mail

[vital heron]

Smtp

[half surge]

Do you host your own SMTP server

[vital heron]

For sending yes

[smoky oyster]

my guy feeling telling me emailthing.dev 😂

[vital heron]

Oh no I can't afford to have more...I mean I can but I don't think it's really worth it

[smoky oyster]

Yeah

Improve SEO I guess

[vital heron]

i have like 5 people spam emailing me about that lol

but for them to email me, means my seo is better then nothing, so i happy

[smoky oyster]

Real

[shadow briar]

@vital heron hi! would it be possible to get a code for EmailThing ? ❤️

[vital heron]

:) https://emailthing.app/register?invite=h1rb0cr07tjhdgpr5g56lpd6

[vital heron]

uh

[vital heron]

👀

it wasnt long ago it was just 50 and that seemed way huge

[brisk moth]

cool

tempted to fork emailthing and selfhost it myself

that would be extremely useful

[smoky oyster]

Maybe that's the issue

[brisk moth]

honestly ive never done any seo before lol

[lofty sapphire]

@vital heron hi, looks awesome (did you just copy taxomony app? xD) can I get the invite ?

🔥

[vital heron]

Yeah through landing I have "copied", but not the actually bit of app https://emailthing.app/register?invite=bi1qx9i74w9a532cq3l4n5r6

[half surge]

@vital heron the docs act a bit strange

If you click a link on this bar, which takes you to github, and then try navigating back, it just keeps redirecting you back to github

[vital heron]

As in content (yeau I need to improve) or the ui?

[vital heron]

Hhaaha that

It's what I get for redirecting to external page in page.tsx

Was meant to be very fast and temp fix but now too lazy :(

[lofty sapphire]

i think there should be an option to close that toast

[vital heron]

There should be an "x"... I thought at least (maybe on hover)

[lofty sapphire]

also i went to spam. Reported as "not spam"

[vital heron]

Sad, but thanks for letting me know it's still sad... I'm hoping report as not spam does smth tho

[grizzled fjord]

@vital heron when you click advanced, general gets highlighted instead of advanced

oh wait... i think there is no advanced page, so its just taking me to general

[vital heron]

yeahh why do i still have that shown when it isnt a thing

[vital heron]

Hmm this axtually looks cool https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learning/ssl/how-does-public-key-encryption-work/

[vital heron]

Dud you mean to post this in #off-topic?

[hybrid grove]

Somewhere but not in this channel

[fiery timber]

time to consider ;)

[vital heron]

Docs are hard to write tho:(

[brisk moth]

itll be worth it 🙏

i would love to use emailthings api that would be awesome

[smoky oyster]

that's where https://v0.dev/chat comes in clutch

it can also generate blog posts

[vital heron]

step 0: have apis worth docing about

my current apis are so limited and ehh

[smoky oyster]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vital heron]

at least i know im not alone, because even he tried so much with making google happy... but the issue is ip isnt one of the huge big ones https://x.com/levelsio/status/1845483654727790921

@levelsio (@levelsio) on X

I don't want to admit everyone is right 😂

But even with days of configuring and following all email sending (DKIM, DMARC, SPF, Reverse DNS) and Gmail's guidelines

My emails don't even up in Gmail's spam folder anymore

My entire domain @pieter.com is now all-out rejected by

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 3:16 PM

[smoky oyster]

emailthing desktop app?

[mystic orchid]

never

™️

[smoky oyster]

ok creator of emailthing

/j

[mystic orchid]

😂 I think I can confidently speak for @vital heron in this situation.

[half surge]

Tbh why not

[mystic orchid]

ill let risky answer, I have about 5 reasons I can think of instantly why. Unless he simply embeded it in Tauri, which would still take considerable work to maintain both.

[brisk moth]

should be built with electron

bluesnort

just kidding use tauri 🙏

[mystic orchid]

If risky built a desktop port and used electron I would be very disapointed.

[brisk moth]

real

build it with tauri please 🙏

we need an emailthing desktop app

[vital heron]

Use the install pwa button on Chrome

But like what's the appeal for desktop sites that's just... normal site?

[smoky oyster]

Ah lol

[smoky oyster]

What's wrong with electron, never tried before

[brisk moth]

its basically chromium compiled

[brisk moth]

thats true

ig if you made offline email reading a thing then a desktop access would be useful

[smoky oyster]

yeah i know that, discord, spotify also use electron.

[brisk moth]

yeah

its slow

too

[smoky oyster]

ah

[brisk moth]

its basically software bloat

[vital heron]

I'm planning on using offline pwa

But that doesn't need desktop app

I just need to not ssr, and make spa

Only reason/benefit I would bet with desktop app is custom SMTP connection if I do that

(As Web apis can be restrictive)

[azure belfry]

Bro can I get the code?

[mystic orchid]

It’s open source bruh

Go to the GitHub repo

[vital heron]

i think @azure belfry wants https://emailthing.app/register?invite=icxsnmba4jh4ze0io9n27cqa

[pastel void]

this is very hot

very pro

[vital heron]

thanks :)

[pastel void]

can I get an invite code

I wont abuse

[vital heron]

100% https://emailthing.app/register?invite=cb2oh7qf50csnp50o8n1nh58

[pastel void]

omg

bro made an api too

genius

[mystic orchid]

That makes so much more sense 😂

[vital heron]

it has messed with me so many times too

[vital heron]

if you guys want to see how broken nextjs 15 without any changes but codemod can be https://email-git-next-15-riskymh.vercel.app?_vercel_share=GLeymU34lSDcVwQgaVsycLxqs7mSNJQX

(the caching and server actions + some modals are way diferent)

[brisk moth]

cool

btw you should add a loading icon or some sort of loading state

cus currently if i click the link and it loads the page just freezes for a sec

and peeople could mistake it for being unresponsvie or smth

[vital heron]

yeah you also observe that

iirc its because prefetching is now disabled by default

[hybrid grove]

@vital heron

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137

[vital heron]

:(

why is that back

icloud used to be so happy

[vital heron]

-_-

and on downloading message and some site, it says its legit

apple is weird

also it lets me email my icoud, but not others :0

[half surge]

X-Suspected-Spam: trueand DKIM failure?

Are they related or are you being doubly blocked

[vital heron]

Well dkim fail can influence spam, bug it's not the only thing

Also the way i configured dmarc, it should be spam on dkim fail... but idk why it failed

[half surge]

Are you manually signing emails

[smoky yew]

Would love to get an invite ❤️ 🙏

[hybrid grove]

This is the code.

I think it manually signs DKIM

[hybrid grove]

I guess it is

[vital heron]

Yay https://emailthing.app/register?invite=mdm9fs3tzbowkkyilxx1yc70

[smoky yew]

Thanks!

[hybrid grove]

bugs

2 bugs

[oak star]

describe the bug bruh

[hybrid grove]

First Bug: Unable to add TO emails.
Second Bug: Invalid email when pfp clicked

[brisk moth]

interesting

the first bug has never happened to me before

[heavy peak]

Imagine being a bug tester

Go make prs to fix

[vital heron]

1. Not sure but I can look into it with chrome
2. The user email is different to mailbox (if you go to user settings it will let you change)

Side note, I thought it was as cute having it like this separation, but it seems to confuse everyone

[vital heron]

ok so it seems like i didnt test enter very well.... i always use space so i never saw it

but idk why its acting weird

[smoky oyster]

fix it

[vital heron]

chill chill, i will

-# sometime

[smoky oyster]

beluprism2

[vital heron]

😳

that means either cloudflare really hates you (not willing to show widget to prove) or you did it too fast and js/token wasnt there yet

[native bolt]

You secured it with cloudfare?

[brisk moth]

i see 😔

ive heard of cloudflare screwing people over

[half surge]

If they're doing stuff illegally, yeah

[brisk moth]

is it really illegal though

there was a gambling site

and it complied with the tos

it just got too much traffic iirc

[half surge]

i highly extremely doubt that

[hybrid grove]

bruh thats 120 days old

[hybrid grove]

It was against TOS, and as far as I've heard, Their IP was getting blacklisted in some countries.

$10K/mo was min needed, and with enterprise plan, they can provide a little flexibility in TOS with enterprise plan

[grave shoal]

gambling is legal

[grave shoal]

right, while it violeted their terms, it's still a shady af way of dealing with customers

[half surge]

It is illegal to gamble in Thailand

[grave shoal]

i forgot where the screenshots are, but they sent a message that read something along the lines of "your site is causing major issues for our network"

and it was fucking sales

[half surge]

It is illegal to gamble in Japan

It is illegal to gamble in Cyprus

It is illegal to gamble in Poland

[grave shoal]

i see your point that not all territories operate the same ito laws

but where was the company operating (i forget)?

[half surge]

It is illegal to gamble in Malaysia

[grave shoal]

ok

so this doesnt mean anything

from the article:

[half surge]

Just because gambling is legal in the operating country, it does not mean their trade is legal

[grave shoal]

so i take that to mean they were operating in territories where it was legal

[half surge]

There are alot of things that they could be doing illegally

[grave shoal]

could be doesn't sound like a solid reason to terminate somebody from your cloud platform

i mean if hammers could be used to hurt people, why should we sell them?

anyways, whoever's in the wrong, cloudflare's got some blame

this email reads like there's some issue but it's fucking sales

like, if you're going to say i need to upgrade, tell me the quiet part (a la what i'm doing wrong) out loud instead of burying it in ambiguous corporate speak

rant over

[half surge]

bruce what are you talking about pal

'Could' is in reference to 'could be doing illegal activities' I dont know the context, so i have no idea

I'm not saying cloudflare shut them down because they 'could' be doing something illegal. there was most likely something that breached their ToS

[grave shoal]

right, but they didn't explicitly state what that was

they vaguely hand-waved at ips

regardless of blame, [this sales tactic](#1205074217247309844 message) is a massive liability for any company

[half surge]

how is that a sales tactic?

[grave shoal]

it's an email to get them onto a sales call

[half surge]

does it say that

[grave shoal]

in the copy under the image, yes

[half surge]

is there a widespread report of this sort of tactic being used?

[grave shoal]

i mean, in the screenshot of the email itself it mentions "business development dept"

[half surge]

or is this just a singular sales rep trying their luck

[grave shoal]

why does it matter if it's widespread? this is a shitty way to treat customers

[half surge]

this also has nothing to do with gambling

[grave shoal]

im losing brain cells

[half surge]

bruce mate are we talking about sales at cloudflare or gambling

[grave shoal]

i was talking about sales

[half surge]

pick one

[grave shoal]

this is a shitty way to treat customers/users

[half surge]

this to do with sales yeah

nice one

[grave shoal]

the gambling should not be an issue, since they claim to block countries that disagree with it

[half surge]

Thats exactly what i said

hope this helps you

[grave shoal]

ok.

[hybrid grove]

Yup

[vital heron]

So a few bad cases mean the whole service is bad? I don't think you can use and popular thing because of that (esp discord, they have one of the worst ban appeal)

Anyway if you want to discuss whatever that us, pls use #off-topic

[grave shoal]

I think a service being good or not matters to businesses. you don't want to have your DNS + compute + domain name registration + etc... on a service that will terminate your account within two seconds

discord, eh -- they're consumer-facing moreso than CF

[vital heron]

i was trying to be broad and say there isnt anything without its issued

but yeah i get your point for big businesses where the loss of downtime is huge

but i dont really have that much usage and its all hobby - so it simplifies lots to me

(and why would they terminate me in first place with my low usage?)

sorry for being so defensive, but i have seen a very few examples be used to try and drag a whole company down, so its getting annoying to me
(i know your heart is in right place)

[grave shoal]

yep, same

(except for when my friends ddos me at 10m rqs/s)

they havent ever sent me an email about usage for that though

/shrug

[brisk moth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proud adder]

@vital heron Can I have a code?

[hybrid grove]

https://github.com/riskymh/emailthing

[proud adder]

I meant an invite code sry

[brisk moth]

😔

[vital heron]

https://emailthing.app/register?invite=yk9i58d87xryul8ctdhpbby2

[proud adder]

Thank You!

[smoky oyster]

Is the ban thing from apple appealed?

[hybrid grove]

iCloud mail*

[smoky oyster]

same thing

[lavish shuttle]

I am genuinely blown away. May I get an invite link please? @vital heron

[vital heron]

Wow thank you, and yes you may https://emailthing.app/register?invite=mjac1ci3yngylqw0e60aqr39

[scarlet viper]

@vital heron just so that you are aware, those invite links work more than once

i was able to register more than one account with the one you gave me a long time ago

[vital heron]

sus

[scarlet viper]

well its a security thing, so there you have it

i should prolly have dmd ngl

[vital heron]

you prob used a diferent link

as the code is literally adding a var and then checking if it has var

[scarlet viper]

oh, ok, thx

[vital heron]

https://github.com/RiskyMH/EmailThing/blob/main/app/(auth)/register/action.ts#L43
https://github.com/RiskyMH/EmailThing/blob/main/app/(auth)/register/action.ts#L100-L107

[scarlet viper]

k im pretty sure i used the same one a long time ago

but your prolly right

[vital heron]

if you were lucky and it was between the db migrations (planetscale and turso), some of the invite stuff got messed up (ie i think i forgot to copy that data) so maybe it was then

[scarlet viper]

probably

[oak star]

can I get the option in my emailthing.me page to mark the email input as required

[vital heron]

lol are people not inputing it

and thus you cant reply

[oak star]

yeah

[vital heron]

sad

[oak star]

[vital heron]

ill see what i can do (may take a while as have other priorities than emailthing rn :(

[oak star]

sure, no worries

[vital heron]

time to include ip address

but honestly that looks more like spam so theyd just put a useless email

[oak star]

yeah

[hybrid grove]

@vital heron

I didn't do it too fast

If turnstile thinks I'm a bot, switch to ReCAPTCHA

Oh, so it things I'm a automated bot

You can use invisible Recaptcha as fallback incase turnstile fails

[vital heron]

oops if you used old domain for the POST in cf email worker i think todays emails didnt get

its because i still use vercel there - but redirected everything but /api/* so it didnt regenerate the cert

[oak star]

I need to see my code

which api I used

[vital heron]

i think i will actually have emailthing.xyz on my vps too and then redirect everything else

[vital heron]

i think you use .app because you told me about the issue of authorization header + redirect = no

[oak star]

I used both of the urls

[vital heron]

👀

this is why i have it forward to my gmail lol

anyway i apologize for the oversight of this

[oak star]

this is correct ig

[vital heron]

yeh

come on vercel generate your cert

[oak star]

💀

[vital heron]

its normally sub 1sec

so idk how i broke it with my redirecting rules on cf side

yeah i dont think this helps

[half surge]

Is emailthing http3

[vital heron]

honestly idk

well nextjs prob isnt

but cloudflare might

[half surge]

I thought you were hosting on a vps?

[vital heron]

cloudflare and before that ngnix proxy

nextjs standalone -> ngnix -> cloudflare -> u

[half surge]

i read nextjs as vercel

if i recall i dont think its the frameworks responsibility to 'support http3'

I could be incorrect there though

[vital heron]

i agree

[vital heron]

https://email-git-test-riskymh.vercel.app?_vercel_share=sjIRX7grF43RxxsnnaDXHXwPnBJPdrHu

i think i do too many re renders 😭
https://react-scan.million.dev/

(you may need to force refresh the page as the million thingy needs to run before nextjs)

[vital heron]

i wonder if the progress looks better

[oak star]

don't make it like vw's update 😭

[vital heron]

vw?

[oak star]

yeah

[half surge]

volkswagen

[vital heron]

ohh where i can move slider myself

[oak star]

VW's car got a software update and someone decided that instead of using progress, lets use slider

[vital heron]

its just https://ui.shadcn.com/docs/components/progress and its not fancy enough to support

[oak star]

yeah looks good

[vital heron]

yay

i wanted to have an actual change in my nextjs 15 update to not make it feel usless

should i round it to at least 1% or keep it as figment of pixel when its like nothing

AHHHH i was about to say yay this next15 fineally works well

until something called autoresetting forms came

[thorn pike]

Million imo is so off..
I used it quite a bit before and it will ALWAYS cry abt rerenders

[vital heron]

its still intresting to see what rerenders

[half surge]

am I seeing that it re-renders your homepage main when i hover over the top buttons?

[vital heron]

Yeah seems to be next/link, I think it's because hover and prefetch

[smoky oyster]

future crowdstrike intern

[fiery timber]

wow 160+ stars now

waiting EmailThing to appear on next Next.js conf

[vital heron]

lol it hasnt changes much in last 2 months

basically after i kinda forgot about it (doing more uncommited testing of rewriting and also bun instead in freetime), github stopped suggesting it or smth (it was pretty fastly correlated)

-# also rewrite to make pwa im considering just doing basic vite/bun bake instead of the full nextjs as dont need ssr for local offline... but then this channel ahhh

[terse bear]

-# just post update changes in small text like this

[vital heron]

-# ok

[hybrid grove]

-# add line breaker and update

-# I mean just add a new line

[half surge]

refactor hell

Also, little suggestion - check out renovate

Renovate automatically makes PRs to upgrade packages

Works with dockerfile images, package.json, github action image versions, docker-compose etc

Completely free too

[vital heron]

Nah not needed, at least when I was active I was calling bun update every other day and commit

[heavy peak]

Why do you wanna upgrade though

If there does come a cve on any of the packages.. you do get warned on github

Upgrading could also lead to bugs.. so risky would have to add tests

[vital heron]

fun fact, i dont think i do get very well as dependabot doesnt bun rn :(

[vital heron]

yeah when i upgrade manually i test

[heavy peak]

Bun skill issue

[vital heron]

nah github skill issue for not supporting

[heavy peak]

[half surge]

lol

[vital heron]

Also you really should batch those, like of its causing vercel build... that's alot of things to fl for one change

But then ig you can see the issue better if smth happend

[half surge]

In enterprise (where I learnt about renovate), it doesn’t matter

We have terabytes of unused build artifacts

And so many credits spend on random builds for all the different branches and PRs

I agree to a point with what you’re saying, but if you’re using GitHub CI which is free (to a limit) then you should be ok

Same with vercel

[vital heron]

Still unnecessary, also with vercel only one build at a time

[limpid stirrup]

Interesting project.
Can I please get an invite code?

[vital heron]

yay https://emailthing.app/register?invite=majh0xky8yjdswogw5whvlim

[limpid stirrup]

thank you

[vital heron]

@oak star if emailthing dies for you, blame nextjs 15

:0

[vital heron]

i just realized emailthing is over a year old now - and next 15 update was very close to initial time i put on github

so 400 commits in one year

[fierce magnet]

May I have an invite code, I'm looking to use this in a project I'm working on

[vital heron]

yoo very cool https://emailthing.app/register?invite=tup3jwbdm8eknhnnafx8r12i

[fierce magnet]

thank you

[half surge]

@vital heron I find link navigation slightly slow - would it be better to do data fetching on a suspense boundary or something so the page loads instantly and loads in the data afterwards

[vital heron]

Everything is suspended from what I remember

The issue is how it's close to me as Sydney server, but everywhere else it is clearly slow

So mu solution is whtmat I'm doing kinda now and making off-line pwa that can use local cache for faster boots

(Sidenote but I kinda have cared the least about the settings page)

[half surge]

do you have prefetch turned off for your links?

or whatever its called

[vital heron]

No

But that setting is very limited seen

It only prefetches if in viewpoint

Also for transparency, as mentioned above I haven't tested very much on lower internet pings to server + haven't tested much in v15 update and only tend to bring back caching to before (so maybe it's acting differently to my initial)

[half surge]

Ah, well either way I think most people dont live in Australia so it might be worth having a check

It's not a big deal but I do often doubt whether i properly clicked a link or its just lagging

[vital heron]

Fair, and you will be surprised how much I think about it

[half surge]

After first navigation its fast for subsequent requests

So its obviously being cached, just not for the first one

[half surge]

@vital heron do you have SASL auth enabled on your postfix server

[vital heron]

What

I don't even have postfix also

[half surge]

Ah

Well I left my postfix MTU up and running for about 5 days without requiring any auth and ive just checked the logs to see a bunch of bots using my mail server to send loads of spam

[vital heron]

damn

[vital heron]

welp

i made it use only ipv4 now but its a matter of time ig

[vital heron]

tbh this could be because of free and maybe unrestricted api... i didnt think about the fact that someone can send "spammy" emails and then gmail blocks entirely

[terse bear]

might need a giant pop up that spammy emails are against fair use 👀

something like this

[vital heron]

hahaha

[half surge]

@vital heron been doin this for abt 5 mins

The dialog also hides the send button for emails

[vivid ridge]

Awesome project 👍

[vital heron]

Yay thanks

[vital heron]

I think I need to make block feature as got 7 upwork spams by same person

[half surge]

Are you using sbl spam list?

Spamhaus

[brisk moth]

unfortunate

[floral willow]

grrrr

@vital heron

reset password page shows “doesn’t exist”

[vital heron]

oh no

uhh

i investigate

[floral willow]

pls, must

grrr

[vital heron]

LOL

should be fixed in ~1-2 mins

[floral willow]

LMAO

alr, you are pardoned

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-ragnarok-ragnarok-pardoned-youre-officially-pardoned-from-life-gif-20661482

[vital heron]

idk how i managed to static, or why

lol

[hybrid grove]

<explaination>

[vital heron]

Lol

[void light]

can i get a invite code, it looks awesome!

[vital heron]

yay thanks, you indeed can get one :) https://emailthing.app/register?invite=rqi6dosmqhtooe9nuy0pgb2l

[void light]

why doesnt the public page work?

using it for my startup lol

[vital heron]

Hmm this seems to happen when cloudflare really is sus of you... normally it's meant to show popup to click, but it doesn't do that if really sus it seems

(I have tried to get it myself, and it's really hard... I feel bad when others get it as idk how)

other reason may be you pressed button too fast and it didnt initialise - i could add more client feedback tbh

I prob could disable it as i don't think much abuse

[void light]

i changed my username and email so that might be why, otherwise idk

[vital heron]

hmm yeah @dusk doesnt work, but my test does https://emailthing.me/@test

nvm i dont know anymore

[void light]

oh i tried again and it works

nvm thanks for the help!

[vital heron]

hmm its back

i think it just needs to wait some time for cloudflare to work

i tried being cool and all with making it more hidden, but this has made it harder to shift blame lol

[vital heron]

and thanks for you using :))

[void light]

no problem! also how do i change profile picture lol

[vital heron]

gravatar

[half surge]

gravatar is just the worst in my view

ive got to set up an account on another service just so i can use it on a different service?

I understand from a hosting perspective but from a user experience it's not as good as just an upload form

[vital heron]

should i do something like this https://svgl.app/api and if from [email protected], try and find google.com in the list and then use it if no gravatar

at very least i think i should be able to hard code some options, as this has quite the cool list

[terse bear]

lgtm

[vital heron]

Nice I'll try to do it soon, but prob client side as otherwise I have to fetch gravatar uselessly

[vital heron]

https://itoa.hex.dance/

[smoky oyster]

wow

[hybrid grove]

@vital heron 90% of the people seems to be getting this error. Would be nice if you can get it checked

[vital heron]

https://canary.discord.com/channels/752553802359505017/1315899225409716254 @fiery timber im tempted to make this the img for this channel now

the current one is made by vercel btw

[vital heron]

i think too many emails

[half surge]

What does this screenshot mean sorry

[vital heron]

100mb of email and attachments

[cunning spade]

Just took a look the site, can’t wait to test it. Looks super good and sounds super good

[vital heron]

Yay thanks, here is an invite code https://emailthing.app/register?invite=ycu49n9zrttcp3l10bccnics

[vital heron]

https://x.com/jarredsumner/status/1882434647575220326
imagine how fast sending emails from emailthing could be then

Jarred Sumner (@jarredsumner) on X

I do want Bun to have an SMTP-like api at some point

X · Jan 23, 2025, 2:26 PM

[fiery timber]

Good opportunity to get free promotion from bun

[vital heron]

if i knew zig and could do things ok (and mem safe), i would be tempted to make it lol

[smoky oyster]

learn zig

takes 2 weeks max for me

for you too

[vital heron]

eh

i know zig

its just low level stuff

too eh

[smoky oyster]

"eh"

[vital heron]

i like not needing to think about mem and all that jazz

[smoky oyster]

ah

[vital heron]

just function and pass whatever you want

no need for actual legit types

and 2.5min build times (i mean its fast), but not as much as just JS and bun

[vital heron]

nice

i need to make the pricing page have free or not at all as at least for me when i see those words i get scared

[fiery timber]

cool

[vital heron]

yay you get cool subpages too 🔥

[hybrid grove]

@vital heron
https://www.usercheck.com/domain/emailthing.xyz

[vital heron]

Lol

Makes sense tho because of reasoning

[hybrid grove]

yes, and the fact it has a temp mail

and I get this error

[vital heron]

Even less i can fix... blame cloudflare:]

[hybrid grove]

Use ReCAPTCHA then I guess.

Still I’m contacting cloudflare for it

[vital heron]

I'd rather use none and do smth like ip ratelimiting

[hybrid grove]

What’s the problem with ReCAPTCHA?

[hybrid grove]

@vital heron

[hybrid grove]

.

[sleek osprey]

Hi

[vital heron]

Hi

[vital heron]

Nothing other then don't want to put cookie warning and co.. the site is meant to be simple

[subtle pine]

Hi

[vital heron]

hi

[south fractal]

Can I have access

Me needs [email protected] fr fr

[vital heron]

fr https://emailthing.app/register?invite=w79ncu0tjnar1o1g874fvb6l

[south fractal]

Says I need inv code

[vital heron]

use the link

it should have invite link in url and work...

never had an issue with it before

[south fractal]

Ah alr

It works

[vital heron]

yay

an even better invite is this one https://emailthing.app/register?invitee=asidhaujgsaukdsgakisgdahih2

[south fractal]

Bug, on phone tho

[vital heron]

AHHHH

HHH

try desktop mode

[south fractal]

Ye ik

[vital heron]

but i literally dont know why this drawer is broken

on phone emulator on any browser it works

but somehow most mobile break

i should make just modal there until i fix as annoying

[south fractal]

Wonder if it'll work on firefox

[vital heron]

i main on FF and think have it

[south fractal]

Nope

Still borked

[vital heron]

css is pain

[south fractal]

Real

[vital heron]

maybe drawer is using some api that phones dont do well

the issue is when it doesn't resize right

kinda hard to fix

[south fractal]

Seems like it's just too low

[vital heron]

but at same time, its kinda hard to setup on phone anyway (as cf and co)

[south fractal]

Thinking it's not reading the bottom bar as part of the page or smth

Idk

[vital heron]

hopefully soon ill make only 2 things are verification and setup spf

and remove cf email routing

[south fractal]

Alr

[south fractal]

Should maybe try routing through a server instead with postfix

Though u do gotta monitor emails

[fiery timber]

Wow I saw vercelcafe forked your repo

(That guy from Bun server)

[vital heron]

she is a cool person that lives in SF, havent met irl tho

[fiery timber]

Cool

[hybrid grove]

Can you remove captcha if possible or use a diff provider?

[vital heron]

im still confused what CF has issues with u for

tbh in considering using it in more places like login to be extra safe :)

[hybrid grove]

Their customer support haven't resolved this issue since the past 10 days

[hybrid grove]

extra safe prevent users from logging in

[vital heron]

if u can't login, then your data is safe

[hybrid grove]

Email protected
(Was testing if verification works now)

at bottom left

[vital heron]

That's just for basic scrapers that cloudflare does

[vital heron]

ewww what is this

[hybrid grove]

You seem to have leaked some Amazon order id or something here

[vital heron]

That's chatgpt generated demo data lol

[hybrid grove]

Oh lol

[vital heron]

emailthing pro isn't (and prob wont be) a thing

[hybrid grove]

ya ikr

[hybrid grove]

so it thinks I'm a scraper?

[vital heron]

that one is just if u have js disabled - ie it insta fixes before render for most of the time

[hybrid grove]

I noticed it only happens for first few seconds, after that the email appears

[hybrid grove]

I had a question, so with SqlLite, you can't store jsonb values. So I think drizzle has a option to store it as string.

So that means you can't like find a item by a value of json obj, right?

[vital heron]

Tbh thats a really bad idea and against so much point of sql

[hybrid grove]

I think emailthing also has it, right?

I think I noticed it once

[vital heron]

I have json in a place

But not querying using it

Just lazy way of list as just need to store

[hybrid grove]

hmm, so i'm unsure how I can store Json objects in SQLLite, maybe I've to use MySql or postgresql

[hybrid grove]

Emailthing Bug.

I sent from a different email but it sent from the default email

Ignore the alias

[vital heron]

Weird, but was the actual email sent correct?

[hybrid grove]

Email was sent from my default email not alias

[hybrid grove]

even google started to think I'm a bot(tho clicking on "I am not a robot" works, unlike cf)

[vital heron]

Damn

[hybrid grove]

@vital heron not loading

took 30s to load but atleast loaded

[vital heron]

Damn

That's for reporting tho

Hmm it has sidebar stats working, so it's not db sleeping... ahhh

[hybrid grove]

Wow, I just found something really interesting

@vital heron I think I found something. Do you have any tokens in your env ending with ulWk?

[vital heron]

im scared

[hybrid grove]

Can you just check once?

in any of the project, including the npm package?

[vital heron]

i dont see any env vars ending with that

[hybrid grove]

Hmm, ok I'll get to the point.

You set a really obvious password for [email protected] (I just said an API key created in it)

[vital heron]

oh OHHH

lol

[hybrid grove]

like very obvious.

I had another account I forgot the username, so I was trying random username and I use the same password format

[vital heron]

it was a test account after all

[hybrid grove]

Yup,

maybe you should reset it.

[vital heron]

the only useful one is mailer

but other than that yeah

ill reset pwd tho

[hybrid grove]

even my password is in a similar format, so I also changed it now.

[vital heron]

haha smart

lol this is the case where i realise jwt is not smart idea

[hybrid grove]

how does this have to relate to jwt tho? when I just cracked the password?

Suggestion:

• Add rate limits(Vercel KV or upstash free plan)
• Add ReCAPTCHA or no Captcha at all!

[hybrid grove]

or maybe arcjet

[vital heron]

like even if i change pwd, it doesnt log everyone else out like most platforms

i like offline apps https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail/demo (the actual backend isn't there so this is demo data -and not all pages copied yet)

[hybrid grove]

oh, thats the reason I never even tried JWT as it for some reason stores user data encrypted in localStorage or cookies or something

whats difference tho

[vital heron]

more speed

[hybrid grove]

oh, fast ui as its test locally stored?

[vital heron]

llike once the data has been downloaded to local cache

it should load that same speed

hopefully no more people being sad on long loads of 1sec+

(and as i did that, i also may as well make offline)

[vital heron]

is it fast for u too, or does india still do things weirdly

like fast when force clear cache too (ie ctrl shift r)

[hybrid grove]

yes, within 1s

1-2s at max sometimes

[vital heron]

yay

but thats better then current normal right?

like an improvement if i do end up going with this strategy? if anyone says is worse, i need to fix before defaulting it

[hybrid grove]

yes, is it using indexedDB?

[vital heron]

ye

[hybrid grove]

You prob saw theo's video

[vital heron]

no - didn't know he had one

might have made it easier lol - but it was fun (and im not done on actualyd doing the pain of syncing remote db)

honestly indexdb was confusing... but simple... the offline is AHHH i dont know how its so bad to use - at least i think its working for everyone now

[subtle pine]

now use a 10 year old library called dexie

[subtle pine]

there was something to sync the backend and the local db

[subtle pine]

p.s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gVBjTMS8FE&t=1765s

zero is oss, and great (i think), there was a bit of confusion around that

https://zero.rocicorp.dev/

[vital heron]

That's what I'm doing

[vital heron]

I already know what I'm going to do - I want minimal migrations of data to not have loss

[subtle pine]

cool

[hybrid grove]

and is it just me or turso is slow for querying and all?

[vital heron]

I think I'll change to neon or some postgres based

[hybrid grove]

Cf d1

[vital heron]

I'd rather use something more database than sqlite again

[hybrid grove]

hmmm, neon would work great then

unless you exceed limits

[vital heron]

but the cold starts people say are decent

and500mb kinda isnt much

[hybrid grove]

There is a few seconds cold start

[vital heron]

should i pull a github/twitter and make orginisations use more square icons instead of rounded

(this is when i get icons from https://svgl.app/ instead of gravatar)

[hybrid grove]

Square looks good. Text alignment beside the image seems a little bit off

[vital heron]

yeah lol

the more square it is, the more clear how much broken everything is lol

[vital heron]

https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail/demo/9

I kinda like it

Netflix is like one of the only filled icons so it's a little messy lol

[hybrid grove]

But with indexed DB, basically every user data will be stored locally I guess, and for every new login, there’ll be a lot of data transfer out

[vital heron]

would u rather the 1s for every load/action that lots have to deal with now?

one off cost or always

• offline ftw

[hybrid grove]

Pre fetching I guess, when users cursor is around

[vital heron]

1. that can get buggy as if not all
2. id be only getting so many for initially, and database is fast so will transfer pretty quickly

like your thinking nextjs style

which is what i rn do, but people still say thats eh, so my solution is full embrace local

---

now not to say im doing the only method, but i have thought about this for a while and I think it will work pretty well and feel more app like

[hybrid grove]

Ya, you can do local first then

[vital heron]

Client side markdown is just as fast :) tho prob increased bundle semi decently so slower cold load

https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail/demo/1

[subtle pine]

wen redesign

[vital heron]

I'm really having to fight the urge to redesign and instead make pwa fork 1:1 first

As don't want either desynced or spend the time doing that and give up

[subtle pine]

hmm

[vital heron]

The popular brands icon was what I let myself do tho

Was nice and easy.... and fun

The things I need to do which is easy:

• compose page
• settings
• actually sync data (need to make api)
• api for changing settings

And then after that... uh may need to retire this channel :>

I'll try to have nextjs version for as long as possible - but so far I'm liking the spa for this (nextjs is still really good... just not as nice for what I'm doing here)

[terse bear]

Wher r u gonna post updates though

[hybrid grove]

or prisma postgres
https://www.prisma.io/pricing?utm_source=website&utm_medium=banner

[junior arch]

I am oliver

Please give me register invitation

[vital heron]

sure https://emailthing.app/register?invite=uiha6p4tq3f31ztalhedaglj

[vital heron]

i mean if i keep backend in nextjs its still valid right

[terse bear]

yep

:D

[vital heron]

then i make the backend in bun.serve and uh

[vital heron]

i fixed, not sure why it was broken, but i just use normal <input instead of the radix select

[hybrid grove]

Hmm

[vital heron]

oooo tiptap is kinda big, it went from 0.250mb to uhh 0.650mb

[terse bear]

Fuma Text Editor coming soon?

[vital heron]

lol

ok to be more fair it was only like ~330KB, the rest was the extra shadcn components for compose page

but i dynamic import it, so only downloaded in compose

[junior arch]

Hello

risky

I need sign up address

michinski20

michinski29

michinski26

michinski27

And I sent DM to you

Can I discuss in more detail of your platform?

[vital heron]

@junior arch I gave you link already

[junior arch]

risky

Sorry

Your server is very good

I hope make some emails

michinski20
michinski29
michinski26
michinski27

for these usernames

[vital heron]

Why do u need so many?

[junior arch]

I am freelancer

Please help me

[hybrid grove]

you can add aliases in emailthing

[hybrid grove]

Sign up using invite link and add aliases

[tropic elbow]

Hello

I signed up your server.
It's my username.
incrediblepower0112

[junior arch]

Hello, risky

Your server is very fantastic

👍

[junior arch]

And, @hybrid grove.
Thanks

[vital heron]

Why do you want numbers at end, like it makes it longer

[terse bear]

branding

probably

[naive current]

Can I have an invite code?

[vital heron]

Yeah https://emailthing.app/register?invite=yvpis3qwccwidw9qhy2gtq5b :)

[naive current]

Can we get a raw HTML editor? Most email clients don't have raw HTML which I dislike. The app is awesome.

[vital heron]

Good idea

Not sure how often you'd use that for sending enails, but what's to loose

@naive current would u want just text area or actual editor like vscode Web (https://monaco-react.surenatoyan.com/)

I think imma do it in my pwa rewrite, just want to know how fancy I should be for best outcome

[naive current]

Just a text area and maybe a preview window. I'll raw dog HTML in VS Code and copy and paste.

[vital heron]

Ah yeah viewing

I'm kinda hoping tiptap could view it well

[terse bear]

thats a brilliant idea

[vital heron]

@naive current i did some cooking on my rewrite https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail/demo/draft/1?editor=html (use the ... to change modes)

(note this isn't actual db and still fake data - but when its done, you can enjoy it!)

i tried to be smart when going between the modes, but its kinda buggy lol

[vital heron]

lol forgot about things like gmail

[vital heron]

maybe i should hardcode the valid options

[vital heron]

lol i added my 2.5k emails to my local pwa rewrite... and UHHH

its hugely lagy and pain lol.. who would have seen that coming

[half surge]

@vital heron I would say a privacy policy is very mandatory considering how many people are now using it

especially since you store email data

[hybrid grove]

yes

Also, @vital heron how are you planning to handle email address domain migration when emailthing.xyz domain expires?

[vital heron]

I'm not going to let it expire... thats like one of the biggest and easiest security exploits ever

[vital heron]

little twitter bird looks nnice

for 99% of my emails, the companies have a nice logo now :)

[oak star]

don't make it the X

[vital heron]

x.com does the x 😭

im just using https://svgl.app, but i mean i could harcode

[hybrid grove]

Oh thought about it, and yes incase someone registers, he can catch all user email

[vital heron]

when i got .app, i knew i had to have .xyz forever too :)

also because of that, i leave it on .xyz as makes it nice separating user and actual email

[hybrid grove]

seperating user and actual email
didn't understand wym

[vital heron]

like you cant get a @emailthing.app

only thing that uses it is [email protected] which is the password reset one lol

[hybrid grove]

oh

[limpid stirrup]

Is there a way I can blacklist a sender?

The weird thing is happening: I signed up for Framely yesterday, and I've already received 25 messages with the same verification code, even though I didn't request it to be resent. I don't know whether it's an EmailThing or a Framely issue, but I couldn't figure out how to resolve it.

[vital heron]

Uhh weird

Umm

Is it still ongoing

[limpid stirrup]

Yes

[vital heron]

I can make block, but most clients move to spam which still waists storage

[vital heron]

Oh damn

[floral willow]

Dayum

[vital heron]

Maybe I'm not accepting the emails right, but honestly that's weird

[vital heron]

Custom domain or emailthing.xyz?

[limpid stirrup]

default emailthing address

[vital heron]

Cool cool

[floral willow]

Skill issue incoming

[vital heron]

Um ill check cloudflares logs

But kinda hard to do on phone

I think it could be a case where I should be checking the provided email I'd and if present, don't add

[vital heron]

lol oops ill fix shortly

i think i updated my drizzle without deploying schema change

[vital heron]

this should make it harder to get spammed in future

@limpid stirrup should be fixed now, let me know if still spammy

[limpid stirrup]

Thank you. The spamming stopped.

[vital heron]

yay

[subtle pine]

nice

[oak star]

this is kinda a bad fix imo, if I delete a message just to clear my inbox then that person won't be able to send me message again

[vital heron]

message-id is a unique header that every email client ever ensures only one

like i just was lazy and send u every email recieved

[vital heron]

also if you deleted, the email could come back in theory - but cases of ever hitting this are like extremely rare

[oak star]

hmmmm

[vital heron]

the isDeleted prop here is 99.99% useless all data gets anonymized and only for point of of it is for syncing and knowing which ids got deleted

[vital heron]

lol why

[vital heron]

shadcn's new inputs look noice

[hybrid grove]

+1 add it

[vital heron]

looks good without the gap in ring

[hybrid grove]

Suggestion:
For email, display it as HTML as default, not MD

[vital heron]

ill probably store which u used last

now that i dont have annoyance of ssr

[vital heron]

lol alot broken https://email-git-shadcn-update-riskymh.vercel.app?_vercel_share=KOcXtUBcijdcQ0hs3edBRA7DqSfa7phF

i didn't realise how much better things look when smaller

[hybrid grove]

now I understand why verification fails here.

use this: https://www.npmjs.com/package/react-turnstile

[vital heron]

that shouldnt have any impact for u

you havent shown me that bottom error

and its only done with resetting for seccond time

[hybrid grove]

why not use next/script?

[vital heron]

oh lol

uh

[vital heron]

i don't think there was any differences but im sure i tried it and there was something

[hybrid grove]

umm what is this?

[vital heron]

@oak star wanted way to allow you to prefill data

and i wanted to keep the caching on server side - so this was my solution

[hybrid grove]

its literally being hosted in an serverless environment?

use upstash or something

[vital heron]

1. no it isn't
2. even when it was on vercel it keeps the cache pretty decently (so when it clears this can be fine to also too)

[hybrid grove]

It'll keep-

[vital heron]

also its not meant too be too fancy, just minor annoyance

[hybrid grove]

oh

[vital heron]

i have had this discussion a few times, but vercel serverless (when hot) is just pausing it not restarting each req

like this is done on vercel with a global var like the screenshot that i increment

[hybrid grove]

Request for the Private Access Token challenge. v1:1:92635
The next request for the Private Access Token challenge may return a 401 and show a warning in console. v1:1:92635
Content-Security-Policy: The page’s settings blocked an inline script (script-src-elem) from being executed because it violates the following directive: “script-src 'nonce-va7xf30ipxmyJ49j' 'unsafe-eval'”
```\

[vital heron]

lol

i dont have that tho?

actually idk what cloudflare may have added

i can't see any nonce- set anywhere

[hybrid grove]

Ya I know, but once a instance spins down, the Map is lost

[vital heron]

and by then do i need to care about the limit that only lasts a few mins

rn its just based on user (which yeah is kinda bad) so cant be too painful

@hybrid grove i have spent way too long on emailthing.me and yeah its kinda bugy but kinda hard to fix in a decent manner, so maybe you should make your own site that actually works :)

and i kinda did it as half a joke initially but now its just being kinda painful (looking at the pwa migration im going to have to do something odd)

[hybrid grove]

I’ve added turnstile some of my own sites and it works

Using react turnstile

[vital heron]

the full challange or what i did where it is hidden 99% of the time?

[hybrid grove]

Managed and invisible both. They work just fine

[vital heron]

hmm

[hybrid grove]

Use react turnstile. It offers type safety also

[subtle pine]

but mine fails too

[vital heron]

its not made by CF so i wouldn't call it proper type safty, and either way its like being a wrapper arround the endpoint...

i think i did try it and it just was being annoying

the only diferance i can see rn is its explicitly saying what to render, vs mine is the normal auto

[hybrid grove]

In email thing?

[hybrid grove]

Yes, it has it properly configured.

There is a reason it’s failing on email thing but works in others

[hybrid grove]

lets go captcha is working now

[vital heron]

lol 100% me

[hybrid grove]

idk how

[vital heron]

so you got it too work :)

[hybrid grove]

maybe Cloudflare finally started having faith in me

[vital heron]

could be this - i disabled it when you told me u were having problems ages ago as maybe it was being weird - but clearly it does overall help

i enabled it again earlier today

[hybrid grove]

disabled turnstile?

or pre clearance

[vital heron]

preclearance

[hybrid grove]

oh, I'll make sure never to enable it n my site

[vital heron]

wait i meant i enabled it and thats what prob made it work

i thought it could help earlier and it didn't do anything (so i just left it)

[hybrid grove]

Maybe I had a pre clearance of getting access rejected every time before you disabled it then re-enabled

[vital heron]

lol maybe

[hybrid grove]

not pre-clearance, pre-rejection

[hybrid grove]

@fathom quarry hmm what’s this acc doing here

[vital heron]

As a joke

[tropic elbow]

Give me a sign up url, pls
ID : incrediblepower

[vital heron]

I'm a reply to address lol @hybrid grove

[vital heron]

https://emailthing.app/register?invite=j249imbtpom6yzmcx38zquie

[tropic elbow]

thanks

[hybrid grove]

In the prev email I guess as I entered your email there

unsafemh

[vital heron]

Should have been smh at least lol

[vital heron]

Yeah, I just found gmails error funny

Also your account is yi lo ma 🤣

[hybrid grove]

thats a alias

which I added

specifically to create account in #1345688596702826558 (idk why)

[vital heron]

:]]

[hybrid grove]

what does new mailbox btn even do? Its disabled

[vital heron]

Me planning to add but never got around to it... idk looked nice in ui for something to show

[vital heron]

Random question but: if there was a select all checkbox where you can do actions (ie mark as read), would you expect to only affect the ones in viewport or all thst match the current filter

(Assuming you didn't deselect any of the emails - but even then should it be all except)

[terse bear]

all that much current filter

huge imo

[vital heron]

my rewrite now stores in localstorage your last choice
https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail

(btw you can login and do a subset of actions - not all config but you can play with emails)

[vital heron]

i like the warning i put for demo account (config page) https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail/demo/config

[vital heron]

lol - i mean to be honest fair but also its wrong

[vital heron]

dynamic height for email is nice - currently it just is 100vh but i think it looks better dynamic - only downside is takes a tiny bit longer to load as needs to calculate size first

[fiery timber]

wow risky is cooking

[vital heron]

sandboxing html is so hard 😭

this is iframe and i had to be less secure to be able to do this

im too scared to do gmail and others where they mess with the content to add darkmode or look even nicer

[vital heron]

-# who ghost ping me 😭

[terse bear]

oh

[hybrid grove]

Ya, they did that to me once.

To bypass it, my entire email needed to be image

[vital heron]

redesigning is kinda fun sometimes

for context on rn

[half surge]

I dont see any differences 😦

[smoky oyster]

u need to let claude go through the code man

[subtle pine]

where's the redesign?

is it the sidebar

[vital heron]

The sidebar has everything smaller and so does email list. Email list also has groupings now

It's not meant to be that deastic yet, but it's step 1

And u can look at https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail if screenshots are boring

[vital heron]

Oo where this from, looks decent

[fiery timber]

0 mail ig

[vital heron]

Nah that's way different to what they had not too long ago

[subtle pine]

baked.design

[subtle pine]

kinda it was a proposed redesign of 0

source: https://fixupx.com/AliMamedgasanov/status/1909154132939645357

Ali (@AliMamedgasanov)

WIP

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[vital heron]

turso moved my database location to india, so things may take quite much longer

as most people expect db to be close to host, round trips of 300ms+ does indeed do bad things

[subtle pine]

wait why

[vital heron]

used to have sydney one with sydney vps - basically the fly.io ones were more unstable so they migrated but that reduced the locations by so much

the good news is https://pwa.emailthing.app/mail doesn't feel the perf penalty as heavily because local data ftw

[subtle pine]

oh

[vital heron]

ill sometime maybe move to postgres and get closer to germany (i got a hetzner machiene that is also closer to india) or find some better solutions

[vital heron]

its been decided, emailthing is running under a new domain (according to bing)

[half surge]

why does cloudcontrol.nz go to emailthing 💀

is it your domain

[vital heron]

I think they had my ovh vps beforehand

[half surge]

oh where is it hosted now

[vital heron]

Still vps

[half surge]

oh they used to use your vps i see

[vital heron]

Yeah

[half surge]

are you not running nginx?

[vital heron]

Yeah I am

[half surge]

how come the host header directs to emailthing then

[vital heron]

I think somehow I did a rule weirdly

[half surge]

ah

free SEO i guess

[vital heron]

Anyway I do now use my hetzner vps as closer to db and for that site to redirect

[vital heron]

Bing prefers direct ip or this rando... but not my actual domains:(

[vital heron]

If I had actual access, it would be fun as could offer it up

Like Aliases using

[vital heron]

lol i was wondering why emailthing felt slower and worse... then i remembered that I was using the older nextjs one instead of my fancier pwa with local cache 🤣

tbf they used to be more equal for me, before the database move

[vital heron]

i know i said emailthing doesn't need AI, however the free stuff google chrome is offering sounds cool... itll be free and i mean what do i loose

[hybrid grove]

finally

[vital heron]

They aren't default enabled apis and I don't wana have to explain how to enable... so may need to wait some time to be bothered

[vital heron]

Last I checked "emailthing" shows up in any sensible search engine... idk what more they can do and idrc

Oh also to get that email you have to be actually crawling so yeah nah

[half surge]

Ethical SEO?

[vital heron]

Lol I do wonder what that is

As yeah i mean seo can get pretty unethical with scummy tactics

[half surge]

It doesnt harm animals i guess

[vital heron]

Oh also imagine trying to give me advice on sites... ... when you use Gmail and not even a custom domain... uh

[hybrid grove]

sales

[vital heron]

Damn he will give higher sales... sadly that's still 0

[smoky oyster]

u need to improve ui

[vital heron]

What am i looking at... I'm very confused

[terse bear]

thats what i said

but emailthing moved off of next.js :(

[vital heron]

Its still on it rn :)

Tho ui on non nextjs is a little better

[hybrid grove]

I bet he will increase sales by 100000%

[vital heron]

yoooo emailthing must be so popular google is buying ads on bing 🔥

(im still annoyed/confused that the actual site isnt shown on bing)

[hybrid grove]

Github always ranks at the first for me

I mean not relating to project, but if I search my name, then Github comes before any person portfolio site(in google)

[vital heron]

yeah, google is alot better for me

and github being top is better then smth else (esp if actual is right under.. vs bing of nah)

[half surge]

@vital heron do you have ads on emailthing?