Holding agro issues

[proper marsh]

• All asura can have 100% dethreat except OL
• Use other skills to generate threat
• Templar is good in all cases with a good gears

[past plinth]

reread what i wrote 🙂

losing +200 cp because of imbued light make your agro very bad going from +1300 to 1100 is huge diffrence , imbued light is good for ppl who have low gear with low cp , they get extra hp and threat , but for good gear , it has negative effect+

[sonic forge]

You need to use skills to generate threat, not just spam HG

[past plinth]

This is the issue , if i spam HG multiple times on mobs , i will not lose agro, but we can't do that because of lag , now coming to using other skills , in alcatraz for example some groups of mobs have 15 and some 20 , and the breakers skills for example are limited to max number of target of 10 , so if one mob is missing a breaker and i have a slayer in party who has aoes with unlimited targed , the moment he hits aoe he get agro

[sonic forge]

The mobs should be chain agrod, I will check

[past plinth]

it happened multiple times in party sadenly magus wk or slayer take agro , and also the lag issue in the room of ain ( those tree shape mobs) it is super lagy sometimes we through breakers and they are delayed and another class throw aoe and get agro

in general I don't understand why all classes are limited to hit 7 or 10 mobs while slayer unlimited number of target?

[regal abyss]

still, the breakers are not aggro skills, and templar has like 4 shield aggro skill ? maybe you should put them in your bar 😄

[past plinth]

Reread again what i wrote , ppl like to comment negatively without even understanding the issue

[regal abyss]

I'm not being negativ about talking to "use the class correctly", thoses skills are meant to hold the aggro in a pack, you should give it a try and see if it works better (yes it hit more than 10 targets) :

• Shield Blow : 10s raw cd
• Shield Smash : 6s raw cd
• Shield strike : 1 min raw cd but it's a stun
• heaven's Madness : 6s raw cd

HG creating lags is the real problem, not the generation of threat from the class

[past plinth]

again reread what i wrote , dont focus only on the word breakers , if i enter ain room and someone hit before me due to lag he takes agro , also when u have 8 ppl in prty they will not wait for you to throw all your skills to hold agro , the moment you collect the mobs they will start hitting with you and it happens they take agro, specially in spots where there is a lot of lag , basically the ain room everytime we have that issue .
and yeah breakers are agro skills too , it is not my fault that you don't know that 😉

[proper marsh]

So if your mates can't wait a few seconds, it's not a threat problem

[proper marsh]

And have you tried using the NE weapon to avoid lag?

[past plinth]

the lag is mainly caused by the ethreal pixies or Vm in party , but that ain room is crazy always there is lag. the problem is the balance should make class better right ? well we did not have issue with all classes before update as long as you have high cp and high p.pierce% , now after update with same equipments we cant hold agro from wk magus and slayer sometimes

and for waiting , do you think it is convinient and practical ? 7 people waiting for tank to use all his skill before they attack ?

at that waiting time we are able to kill all the mobs , but having one mob going after another class or getting bugged is not good

[proper marsh]

More practical than losing agro because the tank can't skill

[past plinth]

or just return tank to what he used to be or fix it in a good way

[proper marsh]

It has been improved ...

You just need to use your skills, if you can't wait a sec

I have no problem with the templar I play with every day.

[past plinth]

well i dont see improvement if the improvement force me to wait for tank to use his skill which mean slower kill speed

[proper marsh]

And my guild mates too

WK, DE, BM

Even with the old HG, you couldn't do any damage to a large number of monsters

You also can play with magus or VM to root monsters and avoid to skill with templar

[past plinth]

so i need to run away from temp ? instead of them fixing it ?
also i don't understand why they put negative effect on cp for low damage class like temp and oracle while taking it off from Merc

[proper marsh]

there's nothing to fix

[past plinth]

thats your opinioin 🙂

[proper marsh]

And your opinion is to “fix” HG because you don't want to use other skills 😂

The problem is not the class or the rework :/

[past plinth]

my opinioin is to fix it by taking off negative effect from imbued light like they did for Merc ( the skill is meant to give you more threat right ? well the negative effect on cp make it that i can have more agro without the skill than when the skill is used) .
or increase threat of holy ground and no one will use imbued light
make aoes unlimited target like slayer why only slayer ?
I dont understand whats your problem with taking off negative effect from imbued light ? temp damage is bad anyway

[proper marsh]

If you're only use HG yes the damage are bad

[past plinth]

again reread what i wrote , dont just reply negatively:
"make aoes unlimited target like slayer why only slayer"

[proper marsh]

Why not ?

Why is the templar immortal and not the others?

Why can the Templars pull and not the others?

[past plinth]

well i wasted more time than i should here, u r not looking for a solution so have a good day

[proper marsh]

Reread what i wrote

[past plinth]

no need its toxic and negative im sure

[proper marsh]

I suggest you to use your skills, play with magus or VM to root monsters

but you only want use HG

Like i said the problem is not the templar

[past plinth]

okey i will change class for u , or wait to have vm around to play otherwise i dont play

[proper marsh]

otherwise use your skills

[past plinth]

btw i dont have any issues xd i have temp and mb i dont suffer from anything , my guildies are the once who die not me so this is not for my personal benefit

[proper marsh]

so just say them to wait a few sec, or play with magus or vm

you want to keep agro without playing your templar except for the pull

[past plinth]

I dont know if you have this in your server or not , but we do normal parties like old days with 8 ppl , so it is hard to ask them to wait mistakes happen specially with lag

my issue is simple we were able to play better before balance , they change imbued light to improve the class agro right ? well it doesnt take off the negative effect from it and everyone will be happy , try it on your temp, if you have high cp your agro is better without imbued light than with it

[proper marsh]

Lead your group ...

My templar has no agro problems even with imbued light

[past plinth]

with wk ?

[proper marsh]

And we are playing wk bm cardi

because it uses its skills

because he don't have lag

if you have some you have to tell to your mates

[past plinth]

it is really hard for everyone to wait till you use all skills , mistakes happen

[proper marsh]

when he have some lags we are just waiting he can use his skills

[sleek jewel]

So since you lag at certain places you cant use your skills effectively and loose agro. Then why should they "fix" anything other then lag actually?

[regal abyss]

it's even worse, this dude litteraly asks for a fix, but the reason of his problem is a skill issue, I'm amazed to see people at alcatraz, so 228+ with litteraly 0 knowledge on how to play a class, rlly

And if your dps dies because they are stupid enough to hit whenever they want (probably with scripts if you say everyone does this ?), they will learn the hard way, by consuming GMFBs everytime they hit too early

[past plinth]

what hurting you the fact i proved u wrong or that im +228 ?

[past plinth]

the problem is simple temp before update was better for party with different classes if you have enough cp and p pierce % , now it is not as good , they gave a new skill that should increase agro but without using it the agro is better , so imbued light need fixing if it doesn't do its job

[regal abyss]

To be fair the only thing hurting is the time loss you're incuring on the staff, like nazgul.
You litteraly created a post on #1342225502945017896 (it's written BUG REPPORT, in case it's not clear) to whine about an idea of a fake problem on balancing the class.