lore

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest linden]

im enjoying this

@past nacelle yu still with us?

[vivid owl]

back to previous classes at Hogwarts, I didn't think there were any extra available during Riddle's time as he graduated with 12 NEWTs after having gotten 12 OWLs

only other character to do that that we know of is Percy

and it should be noted that both of them did it without a time turner as far as we're aware

[earnest linden]

well we dont know about herrys gen as none finished school

[vivid owl]

Hermione went back to finish

[earnest linden]

newts werent taken as battle of hogwarts

[earnest linden]

course she did

🤦‍♂️

[vivid owl]

so Hermione redid her 7th year (is it redoing if you never did it in the first place?)

[earnest linden]

no

[vivid owl]

honestly Harry should have as well

but oop Kingsly just offered him a job as an Auror and he takes it

really

[slim ember]

Come on, we all would have liked to skip our last year of high school if there weren't consequences to it lol

[vivid owl]

personally I'd rather have redone my last year of both college and uni

school less so cos I hated that place

[sage aurora]

I mean, it's Harry Potter, I dont think he needs qualifications after saving the wizarding world lmao

[slim ember]

Harry liked hogwarts but I think he was ready to move on

[past nacelle]

I'm here, just watching the conversation.

[earnest linden]

police dont require you to have your finishing of highschool, so long as you have your diploma, cough yr10, then your good to sit the exams and fitness and do remedial tafe/tvet courses

same goes for firefighters

paramedics is different requires uni

[past nacelle]

Nah, Harry was just low-key lazy af at times and I've no doubt Ron was encouraging him to just take it while Hermione was wanting him to retake that last year with her.

[slim ember]

I agree lol

[vivid owl]

but seriously Harry's decision annoys me. He's been shown to not like having to fight Moldyshorts all the time and dislike hunting dark wizards and you're telling me that he willingly signs up to do that as a job rather than go do a job he enjoyed like teaching (considering he was shown planning the lessons for the DA and being happy teaching it.)

[slim ember]

He could have taken any job in the world that he would get the place lmao

[earnest linden]

macgonnagall was the same

[past nacelle]

I think dying and coming back did some minor brain damage to Harry because once he comes back from the dead, he does do some kinda stupid choices...

[vivid owl]

Oh wow am I glad Britain made policing a 2-3 year course depending on your prior education.

[vivid owl]

Albus Severus

[earnest linden]

i mean its encouraged

but police want grunts

[sage aurora]

Harry doesn't even seem to care about his lessons.

Hes just blessed by voldemort.

[earnest linden]

hahaha

blessed huh

[slim ember]

The problem is that he remained as an auror forever

[earnest linden]

did he though...

[vivid owl]

well until the epilogue at least

[slim ember]

Idk that's what they say

[vivid owl]

which is 19 years later

[earnest linden]

i exclude all cursed child refeneses

[sage aurora]

Without Voldemort, Harry would have been a Hufflepuff and not in the books.

I said it.

[vivid owl]

Hufflepuff Harry is best Harry

[earnest linden]

16 isnt it?

[slim ember]

Harry is so careless tho, do you think he'd be a hufflepuff?

[earnest linden]

is it really 19?

[past nacelle]

19 years later, yeah.

[slim ember]

I don't see him liking plants and animals

[earnest linden]

farout

way tooo long

[vivid owl]

I mean he gardens so

[slim ember]

I think he'd be a gryffindor jock

[sage aurora]

Nah, to be fair he'd probably still be in Grffindor but he'd be such a average ability student I reckon lmao

[earnest linden]

i actually see him joining the faculty

[past nacelle]

He actually does like animals, I think. He seems to get along well with the beasties when they're not trying to actively murderize him.

[earnest linden]

nah he killed a defensless snake

[past nacelle]

Excuse you, that was bloody big 'effin snake and it was trying to kill him! xD

[earnest linden]

its not the snakes fault hes snack size by comparison

[earnest linden]

he could have spoken to it

[vivid owl]

Harry is actually smart, the problem is he was raised to never do better than Dudley and he carried that mentality to Hogwarts and by the time he realised he could do well, Ron had already made him lazy/apathetic to the work.

[past nacelle]

I doubt it'd have listened. It was under Riddle's thrall.

[earnest linden]

confuse it and thrown the book to its mouth

[past nacelle]

FINALLY! Somebody else says it, I think I've said that before.

[earnest linden]

but it wasnt tho was it unconfirmed

[slim ember]

So it's all Ron's fault? 😂

[earnest linden]

yay

[past nacelle]

Yeah, Ron's an idiot at the best of times...

Downright moronic at the worst.

[earnest linden]

yup also ron got jealous when harry studied with hermione so he tried not to too often

[vivid owl]

It's a fairly common conclusion because we can see Harry's intellect shine through at times. Like teaching the DA, or his own excellence at Defence, and a few other things.

[slim ember]

Harry needed therapy, poor him

[vivid owl]

4th year. The year I wanted to throttle Ron as a character.

[slim ember]

And what's up with everybody marrying their high school sweetheart? Hermione could have done so much better

[earnest linden]

but as i was saying the basilisk was not as far as what was shown compelled or imperioed by riddle also its skales are used in battle armour for their magic resistance.... all we know of the basilisk is come to me salazar greatest of the hogwarts four

[vivid owl]

Neville and Luna as the exceptions.

[earnest linden]

i doubt salazar was even its name as that was the founders name

[past nacelle]

Yeah, I feel like Hermione would've done well with Harry. Harry likewise would've been better off not having married a woman who looks eerily like his mother and behaves like a fangirl..even if she did grow out of the phase, eventually.

[earnest linden]

draco was a fanboy

[past nacelle]

Draco..Draco was a pain in his ass, not a fanboy.

[earnest linden]

so its true then what they were saying on the train...

[past nacelle]

Colin Creevy was a fanboy.

[earnest linden]

nah he was trying to be cool

wouldnt want to make friends with hte wrong sort....ive money....your famous lets be friends

[past nacelle]

I think had things been different, Draco and Harry would've been best friends if they could've gotten past that initial first foot in mouth meeting.

[slim ember]

I feel like JK forced all the relationships. They were all only friends.

[earnest linden]

umm ron and hermione were awkwrad

[slim ember]

Draco is so mean and dirty tho. Calling Hermione a mud blood. Bullying everyone. Not cool

[earnest linden]

which hits at slight crush or just no clue socially

[vivid owl]

It is assumed the Basilisk had gone a bit fruit loopy. A normal basilisk is meant to grow to about 50-60ft long, the one in the chamber was some 100ft long, meaning it's about twice as old as the previous oldest recorded basilisk what with it having been there 1000 years. And the last Gaunt to go to Hogwarts before Riddle was some 300 years before his time.

So probably the giant snake had just lost its mind with old age and loneliness and was therefore doing everything Riddle said to have a friend.

[past nacelle]

One relationship that I definately felt was forced. Lupin/Tonks. Don't get me wrong, I love the characters but that relationship just...not cool with it.

[vivid owl]

It did sort of come out of nowhere

[earnest linden]

also old

not that i have anything wrong with consenting adults

[past nacelle]

Yeah, I've not so much a problem with the age gap especially since wizards and witches live for longer periods of time than muggles but that relationship was just...awkward.

[earnest linden]

but

[vivid owl]

I'm not as against it as I would be in real life cos of that 30-40 year extra life span of magicals meaning the age difference isn't as bad.

[earnest linden]

true

[vivid owl]

but overall it's just a "When did that happen and where is the emotional basis for this relationship?"

[earnest linden]

my point though is tonks was in year 7 when harry was in yr1

maths

it works out

based omn the mystery game

mobile

[vivid owl]

she graduated same year as Charlie Weasley, the year before Harry went to Hogwarts

[past nacelle]

I mean, I can't speak on that because my guilty pleasure fanfic pairings are Harry/Tonks and Harry/Fleur. And yeah...Lupin is just a disaster for relationships. The man supresses the inner wolf, he's got plenty of bottled up trauma and problems by the boatload. He would not have been in any good headspace for Tonks.

[slim ember]

🤢

[earnest linden]

oh

yeh sorry i was off

[vivid owl]

FlowerPot. I'll admit I like that ship as well.

[earnest linden]

by 1

i didnt carry it

oops

[vivid owl]

lol

[earnest linden]

cant just no....

[past nacelle]

Once Harry gets past Fleur's icy cold demeanour, she's a lovely gal that would've been great with him. Bill, I like the dude but I don't think he's a family man type of guy. Especially since he AND Charlie did all they could to get away from their mother. Getting married would've had to plant them firmly back in England within Molly's grasp and...yeah, I imagine as much as they love their mother...they weren't comfortable living under her mothering constantly.

[slim ember]

No. I mean. Its disgusting to think that lupin is probably a teacher seducing young students

[earnest linden]

oh that

they werent students when met

[slim ember]

I've had that happen in real life and I'm just so sick of these 40yo doing that to 17yo girls

[earnest linden]

they met at an order meeting and she was an adukt then

like 19 20

[vivid owl]

I think the only reason the Delacour's allowed the wedding to be in England is cos of the war and Bill and Fleur wanting it to be quick.

Otherwise I think Bill wanted to run away to France to have it.

[earnest linden]

or maybe a tad older 17 harrys 11, plus 4 21 when met 23 when togethrr

[slim ember]

Still a little weird. Like. He was a teacher in her school... I'm a teacher myself and. That's weird

[past nacelle]

Another reason I think they might've had the rush wedding was because low-key, Bill got Fleur preggers and it would've been a hot disaster if they'd not gotten married. I imagine Molly would've pitched the biggest fit ever.

[earnest linden]

yeh i get.... i taught skiing mostly 3-15, they look and behave like kids so ....yeh i get your coming across

[earnest linden]

oh thats bonkers, tho

[slim ember]

And girls look up to their teachers. They can easily manipulate them

[vivid owl]

Whilst yeah a tad odd and the 14 year age gap isn't great. Lupin was never Tonks' teacher and didn't even know her until a year after he'd left the job.

Overall it's questionable but not the worst.

[earnest linden]

also fluers french bill works for gringotts they have a french branch....

[earnest linden]

totally understand

[past nacelle]

Personally, I think Harry/Tonks would've been a good canon pairing if it'd had happened. They're not that far apart in age and it actually works better than Lupin/Tonks, also - they kind of balance each other out personality-wise. Harry's got the whole 'old soul' thing going on and Tonks acts closer in age to Harry so...yeah, logically - it works.

[slim ember]

Anyway all the relationships. Messy lol

[earnest linden]

agreed

[uneven garnet]

🤡

[vivid owl]

only a 7 year age difference. 1 year less than the difference between Bill and Fleur.

[past nacelle]

Exactly, it works.

[slim ember]

Idk guys it's weird

[earnest linden]

also i had to talk to two female students cause ski fields and could tell they were crushing and making me and other kids very uncomfortable....also had to private word with parents...so they could take over after their holiday super awkward.... the problem of male teachers. lifes hard pc is harder

[slim ember]

Yeah. It's hard. Weird. Messy. Even though lupin wasn't technically her teacher. He knows. He's a teacher. He knows how the teacher-student thing is messy

[past nacelle]

Lupin's a bit of an idiot, to be honest. Repressing and supressing the wolf within, notwithstanding...

[vivid owl]

I mean there is a limit cos basically everyone in Britain would have gone to Hogwarts, so even if he'd gone for an older person they'd still have been a student at Hogwarts, if only a few extra years before he was a teacher but still.

[earnest linden]

should never surpress your true self, grey back had a point, but greyback was a murderer and also berderline predator going after children to turn.

also messy

[past nacelle]

Also, legit one of the reasons Tonks might like Lupin is the whole fake-romantic 'he's broken, so I'll try to put him back together'...and also, probably just to piss off her mother who is somewhat known to have arguments with her about everything, just about.

[earnest linden]

i like andromeda she was very open minded i mean look at her husband...

[past nacelle]

She didn't have a problem with him being a werewolf, I think she had problem with his behaviour, personality or mindset or something.

[earnest linden]

no formal teaching training tho as wizarding word is stuck in an age of scholarships

sorry apprentiships

[past nacelle]

Makes sense. No teacher training, explains why Snape is so crappy at teaching.

[earnest linden]

probably also age

[slim ember]

Yeah makes sense @earnest linden

[past nacelle]

Might be that too, especially since Lupin went to school with Sirius and James - he's closer in age to Andromeda than Tonks so it might've been a tad awkward for her on some level if he'd become her son-in-law.

[vivid owl]

She may be open minded but she was known as a stickler for tradition, despite having broken it to run off with Ted. So that's why she argues with Tonks cos she thinks that her daughter ought to act refined like a Black would despite them no longer being Blacks.

[earnest linden]

by no means am i condoning tho.... just saying from how he may actually not have which kind of makes it worse..becasue ignorance is just not right particularly on this front...as youve said messy

[slim ember]

Hogwarts is a bit scary if you think about it

[earnest linden]

very

harry killed a teacher

but hermione only cared when he attacked a teach

[slim ember]

No teacher training. Everything is middle age style. You're away from the real world and from your parents

[earnest linden]

also what teacher belittles students and thinks its ok

[vivid owl]

Again, different culture.

[earnest linden]

yup

soz

[vivid owl]

Though Snape is well out of line even with that

[slim ember]

It's different culture but for example muggleborns are from OUR culture

[earnest linden]

yeh totes

[vivid owl]

indeed they are

from yours

[earnest linden]

well our culture 1990s

yr 1 1991

[slim ember]

Yeah like earth culture 😂

[vivid owl]

I'm a Black (that's my real surname, lol) so . . .

[earnest linden]

yup

thats nice

[slim ember]

Wooow that's cool

[earnest linden]

im another name for a spear but so what....

[vivid owl]

Wood for Harming ?

[earnest linden]

i still only magic in dnd or videogames

[earnest linden]

think jousting

and i shant confirm nor deny

[vivid owl]

Lance is boring

[slim ember]

Imagine coming from a regular elementary school and then having to go to hogwarts face Snape

[past nacelle]

I think it's a bit of a culture shock for muggleborns to go from the obviously technological muggle side of things to backwards Victorian or middle-aged Wizarding side of things so...yeah, obvious culture shock. Even for half-bloods, who mostly spend time in the muggle world I'd assume too.

[vivid owl]

þrecwudu ("[thing of] wood for harming") Anglo-Saxon name for a spear. Well one of them, the main one was Spere.

[earnest linden]

thats another thing harry was abused i know its not easy to spot right away but primary kids its fairly obvious....with training

[past nacelle]

I'm of the opinion that the wards Dumbledore fiddled with might've had something to do with that because clearly, nothing ever got done about it.

[slim ember]

Yeah Harry was abused his whole childhood. Then he's alone in a different world where he's suddenly a celebrity. The only adult he can trust (Dumbledore) actually is only raising like a pig for killing later. That's why he needs therapy, poor kid

[earnest linden]

yeh probably, .... but my point is theirs a whole bunch f tells and im surprised pomphry didnt take any action with how often he was in medical wing

[slim ember]

Also he carries the world on his back being the only one that can defeat the worst evil in the whole history

[vivid owl]

This I feel should have turned up even without training. It's very notable in how he doesn't trust adults, he doesn't ask questions (cos the Dursleys would hit him for it), he gets prickly when someone tells him to do something without explaining why, so on and so forth. All signs that he's come from a difficult household at best and a hostile one at worst.

[earnest linden]

well yes it was only when i got to 15 reading last book that im like... hang on....and an english teacher was refering to harry potter as an english text and i raised the question and we ended up having a discussion on ethics

[vivid owl]

That's ignoring the malnutrition and the injuries of course.

[slim ember]

Oh yeah. He's also abused physically. People trying to hurt him

[earnest linden]

he also doesnt eat much and would foister food to ron

[slim ember]

The problem is that when we're adults we forget how much we actually depended on adults when we're young. And he had no parents, abusive guardians, and when he goes to hogwarts he has no one really.

[vivid owl]

summer between first and second year when he'd been starved for 2 weeks then Molly tries to give him like half of what she's cooked and he just eats like 2 sausages and passes the rest off to Ron.

[earnest linden]

ifg he was in my ski school id probably ask a friend whos in foster care to see if shed be able to help

[slim ember]

Dumbledore talks to him like once a month? Once a term? Hagrid couldn't even care for himself imagine for a "son"

[earnest linden]

sorry bout the topic divergece just a bone to pick on a couple things

[vivid owl]

Technically McGonagall is meant to act "In Loco Parentis" basically meaning as a legal guardian if anything is needed.

[earnest linden]

but she says only a legal guardian can sign since im neither it would be inappropes

[slim ember]

Yeah but she's also not caring at all. Not even close to a mother. She might care for him but she doesn't talk to him, she doesn't checks on his food etc

[earnest linden]

also shes right

[slim ember]

That's sad. I'm surprised Harry is not more mentally (insert bad f word here) up

[earnest linden]

shes a teacher first and formost if anything she should as a teacher take it above and beyond the school which means social services, courts, his blood relatives his magical guardian his oarents will and their documentation on where and who should raise him and what to do if thats not done

or cant be done

theres a word for electing care of a minor to someone else

[past nacelle]

He might be and he could just be far better than most at hiding it. Gods know he'd been keeping alot of crap bottled up over the years.

[earnest linden]

in the event of family tradgedy

[vivid owl]

And here we reach the big question of the child care laws for the magical world. Remember they split off from the normal world in the 1690s and so their child laws are probably just "Don't kill a child"

[earnest linden]

hahaha]

not funny

[vivid owl]

most child protection laws came about in the late 1800s due to labour unions going "Perhaps we don't send a 5 year old into the machine to clear a jam"

[slim ember]

And that if they're really liberal 😂

[earnest linden]

slaps own wrist nevilles grandmother threw him down the stairs

[slim ember]

I'm surprised there's no physical punishment in hogwarts

It would only make sense

[earnest linden]

I froze.

Oh it sent.

Cool.

[full crypt]

filch sure tried

[vivid owl]

Yeah his Great-Uncle Algie constantly trying to kill him to get him to produce magic. Not great. What would have happened if Neville hadn't bounced.

[earnest linden]

I’m glad there’s not.

I was very confronted with it in RD.

With the talk of school F-tinder stick also gay slur, and their big.

[earnest linden]

He’s be dead. Book says he grew up at longbottom manor. So I imagine marble stone stairs.

And he bounced when he hit his head.

So he’d be dead.

Black butler style dead.

[past nacelle]

Heheheh, black butler style dead...

[earnest linden]

What it’s appropriate.

[past nacelle]

I know, it just amused me.

[earnest linden]

Haha.

[earnest linden]

Oh wait there was umbridge blood quills.

[full crypt]

trueee

[earnest linden]

Student carve their transgressions into their own hands until it sinks in aka scars

So barbaric.

[vivid owl]

and Snape making students test their potions on their pets

[earnest linden]

I think seamus’mum had it right.

[vivid owl]

I've decided I'm going to Beauxbatons instead

[earnest linden]

I mean it was better than in mystery he has you test potions on each other.

[full crypt]

yeah, i would not have wanted to be at hogwarts while umbridge or snape were there

[earnest linden]

I’d try my luck at durmstrang or the Japanese school or the one downunder. Here.

[vivid owl]

I'd hope none of the teachers in the game are that bad

[slim ember]

But isn't those even more strict?

[vivid owl]

but then Phineas Nigellus Black is meant to be there

[earnest linden]

Strict doesn’t mean abusive.

[slim ember]

That's just.... Let's just say I'd kill before doing that

[vivid owl]

either as a teacher or the headmaster if it isn't Brutus Scrimgeour

[full crypt]

i'd rather be at a strict school than an abusive one 😬

[slim ember]

True.

[vivid owl]

That's fair, just chuck your swelling solution at Snape, that'd solve it

[earnest linden]

Hahaha.

Also I wanna know if there’s no wand waving. Luna says her mum potions mistress/master had a lab and when Luna was I. The room would use a shield charm ontop of potions.

…

[slim ember]

Also. If you break a rule as a teen and you're suddenly expelled then they break your wand forever and you can't do magic anymore. What type of justice system is that

[earnest linden]

Except that time she blew up.

And Luna became single parent child.

[slim ember]

...

[earnest linden]

Yeh I went dark. Quick I’m sorry.

[earnest linden]

One where you go to knock turn alley and get a new wand.

And when they ask you pay extra.

[vivid owl]

Hogwarts not giving students safety equipment like aprons or gloves (the dragonhide gloves are for herbology not potions) or safety goggles or even a spell to draw the fumes away like a fume hood would in a chemistry lab.

[earnest linden]

Or dust extraction in design and tech.

[slim ember]

I'm surprised more students weren't killed

They act surprised when one of them die

Like what were you expecting

[earnest linden]

Hmm toxic gasses. I

[vivid owl]

technically it's only in Britain that they can't have/use a wand.

[slim ember]

I'm starting to see how I could easily become an evil witch lol

[earnest linden]

Also dumb considering they have the ICW and all country’s have to follow the ICW unlike our UN. You can sign on but unless you ratify you don’t need to follow it.

[vivid owl]

Astronomy on top of a tower with low crenulations and no magical barrier to stop people from falling off.

[earnest linden]

But we’ll just look at you disapprovingly.

But not actually do anything.

[slim ember]

Yeah but thats just too much worldbuilding. I can't blame JK on this one

[earnest linden]

Yeh neither. It’s a simple fantastical build

I’m just saying on a similar vein. I’m just surprised Harry and Tom were both not obscurials.

[slim ember]

Definitely

[earnest linden]

Obscuri/uses.

What’s the plural?

[slim ember]

Maybe they'll extinct the obscurials in Magical Beasts somehow

[earnest linden]

I doubt it. It’s a magical malady that is caused by abuse according to newt.

Basically when a child rejects their magic to fit in with their peers. So Tom embraced his.

But Harry.

[vivid owl]

Harry being really lucky that he's not one

[earnest linden]

Yeh.

Or he was one.

But got a wand just in time cause o mean he has lots of accidental outbursts.

The time he was being chased by dusky and ends up on the roof.

The time his teachers hair turns blue.

The glass o the snake cage.

[slim ember]

Which absolutely proves that he wasn't safe with the dursleys like Dumbledore claimed

[earnest linden]

The blowing up his non aunt. As it’s his uncles by marriages sister

[vivid owl]

inflating Marge was funny though

[earnest linden]

I know right.

I wish he kept going until she popped like the fat guy in Monty pythons sketch

It’s only wafer thin.

[vivid owl]

especially cos Harry kept saying "Blew up my aunt" and giving people the wrong idea

[earnest linden]

Pop

I need to find meme now.

[vivid owl]

Right though, we've kind of long gone off of the lore and there's not really anything new I can discuss until Secrets of Dumbledore is no longer under spoiler

[earnest linden]

Yeh. I know.

You can take it there but I’ve still not seen it. And my parents are getting antsy about not seeing it.

[past nacelle]

Harry definitely had far more accidental magic than the average magical even when he got his wand.

[earnest linden]

Mainly cause we’ve been to open premier since the first one when I used to dress up.

[earnest linden]

And who does that remind us of now.

[slim ember]

I haven't seen it either

[earnest linden]

Credence and Tom riddle.

Tom riddle before Hogwarts levitated a rabbit to the rafters.

And dropped it.

[slim ember]

Poor rabbit 🥺 😭

[earnest linden]

Granted it was his bullies rabbit but still

There’s also the kids he lured to the very cave that hid his H -locket.

Amd the priest that tried to exorcise him.

[past nacelle]

Also, another point to it is when he's without his wand in OotP but it's nearby when he goes 'lumos' and it lights up without even being physically in his hand. That's not your average magical ability.

[earnest linden]

What wandkess.

It can be learnt.

[past nacelle]

No, I don't mean actual wandless magic. It was still with his wand, but he wasn't physically holding his wand at the time.

[vivid owl]

no his wand lights up, not his hand. meaning he can connect to it at range

[earnest linden]

Graves masted summoning charm wandkess.

Oh.

[vivid owl]

that's actually useful

[earnest linden]

Fascinating.

[vivid owl]

though it was Grindelwald pretending to be Graves

[past nacelle]

There's a difference I think between wandless magic and using wand magic when your wand isn't in your grip.

[earnest linden]

Graces could still do it.

[full crypt]

how so?

[earnest linden]

It’s written as one of original graves powers. Would have been found out if couldn’t do it by pickerey.

[vivid owl]

Oh indeed, cos if he couldn't and Grindelwald was using it then people would look at him weirdly and be like "You're not Graves."

[earnest linden]

Exactly.

Also pickerel abd graves were same cohort in ilvermorney.

[past nacelle]

Think about it, if he'd done the lumos spell wandlessly, his wand wouldn't have lit up but perhaps a ball of light would've floated in his hand (I say that because in my head, it's like the Skyrim spell Mage Light/Candlelight if done wandlessly) but since he still used his wand, and it lit up without being in his hand - that's the difference.

[full crypt]

ahh okay. that makes sense

[earnest linden]

I’d imagine Merlin same spell.

Same effect.

[past nacelle]

Also, wandless magic - while able to be done is still really hard to master. It must've taken those who do it, far longer than they'd have liked to master it. Mostly because it's not an easy thing to do when your natural instinct is use your wand since wizards have been using wands since almost forever.

[earnest linden]

But magic is in the wizards blood.

So like surely they can do like house elves if they try.

But I’d not if I’m muggle born and I live in America and I go to Hogwarts. I’m so taking daddy’s gun.

It’s be faster than ak against moldy shorts. Cause it’s the one spell he can’t cast silently.

[vivid owl]

alright alright, no need to get your pumped up kicks

[earnest linden]

Same as crucio.

I’m actually really against guns.

Cept in video games and movie.s

Sorry just thought I’d get it out of way.

[past nacelle]

Hahaha!

[celest pasture]

There are probably advanced protective charms, which shield the whole body and are longer lasting.

So gun fire could be denied.

[high creek]

I'm not sure we really need a discussion around guns especially when it's in a school setting.

[earnest linden]

Sorry. My fault.

[past nacelle]

Honestly, the whole shtick for Harry was the reluctant hero thing. He never really leant into it, as a Gryffindor he should've. Especially since, in the end - he wasn't killing Voldemort for the masses - he was doing it for himself. I think, the one major downside to hanging around Ron and Hermione much as I like Hermione - his friends don't really allow him to..open up and be himself. I mean, Hermione and Ron have to practically pry to get the truth out of him most times. If he'd had a wider social circle, perhaps he might've gone to somebody and just talked. Much like how he spent time talking with Luna, because she's someone who understands him on some level. Perhaps that might've had him grow more into wanting to be the very best he could be, as Harry Potter but...eh...

[earnest linden]

Hmm. If only Luna was sane house as him.

And sane year.

Then maybe they would have been friends a lot sooner.

[past nacelle]

I think the problem was nobody explained his role to him and nobody said it was okay to improve and be the best he could be. Especially if he was supposed to be this big goddamn hero figure.

[earnest linden]

Also connected.

I stifle seeing Harry as straight. Ngl.

He’s description of cho

For one.

He’s description of Cedric and wood and twins for another.

Also description of Charlie.

[past nacelle]

I mean, I get it. He just wanted to be Harry but also, he was running from himself in part. The Boy-Who-Lived was part of him, much as being Harry Potter was. As much as he couldn't get away from it, it's the truth.

[earnest linden]

Yeh.

[full crypt]

it's a lot of pressure for a kid though

[past nacelle]

I honestly wish somebody had sat down with him told him that. "You start running, they'll never let you stop." applies well to it.

[slim ember]

But that's the problem. He had no one. No adults. He only had Sirius but thanks to Dumbledore, he was a convict so he couldn't be around

[earnest linden]

I feel like gilderoy could have helped if he wasn’t so self absorbed.

[past nacelle]

True, but I think Harry could've carried that weight. Especially since he's not really had a chance for a normal childhood, he might've taken it far better than Dumbledore expected.

[slim ember]

Gilderoy couldn't care less

[past nacelle]

Gilderoy was a faker and it showed.

[earnest linden]

Also Rita skeeter. Never liked her but loved her. She could have been help ful too especially if they came to a bussness arrangement.

[earnest linden]

Oh not denying. Just saying from a fans point of view though.

[past nacelle]

Personally, I think Snape should've gotten that stick out of ass and mentored Harry to some degree, especially since they both had rough backgrounds and it would've Snape helped mature and not be such a goddamn manchild.

[earnest linden]

Yeh 100%. Also character dev.

I luv character dev in novels.

[past nacelle]

You'd think Snape would've recognized the signs, especially since he went through it himself.

[full crypt]

dumbles was a terrible mentor figure

[earnest linden]

Blinded by hate of the father and remorse of the mother.

[slim ember]

That could work. Snape just needed serious therapy

[past nacelle]

Dumbledore was not a mentor, he was the 'wise' wizard up in his ivory tower and thinking he knew best when he didn't.

[earnest linden]

So did Sirius.

After Azkaban.

Also trial.

[slim ember]

Exactly. 🤢 I hate him so much

[earnest linden]

Which would have happened if someone just went looking for papers so Shane on mcgonagall and pomphrey for not getting courts involved in child welfare.

[slim ember]

Shame on McGonagall indeed. She knew he was suffering and had the "I can't do anything" mentality

[past nacelle]

I think, if Sirius had spent less time moping about the house - he could've spent some time mentoring Harry as a godfather should've and taught Harry about his heritage and responsibilities and to better himself, along with the whole 'stop running from yourself' shtick.

[slim ember]

Wow the more we discuss the more I realize how terrible all these people are lol

[earnest linden]

Hahaha.

[past nacelle]

If anyone knew anything about running from themselves, it'd be Sirius.

[earnest linden]

Sorry

[earnest linden]

I hate ranting like this but it’s so easy.

big cheesy grin on face

[slim ember]

I can't forgive how Dumbledore simply knew the truth, would be heard, but he chose to leave Sirius in Azkaban for 13 years.

[cursive chasm]

Guys..................................................

[vivid owl]

Do remember that the most powerful man in the world who could have called for a trial for Sirius (Dumbledore) did nothing and specifically kept him on the run so that Harry wouldn't have a parental figure

and yeah we've kind of run out of lore from before the 1890s

[earnest linden]

We know but discussing lore of canon.

[cursive chasm]

Fair point

[slim ember]

This makes me so furious. So furious.

[earnest linden]

Hello prof

[vivid owl]

I'd love to, but Lahros and Wolfe and Erevan and a few others and I have sort of demolished that topic in the last few weeks.

[cursive chasm]

Do you know hp theory on yt?

[slim ember]

Professor will say if it's alright or not

[cursive chasm]

He made a vid on that

[high creek]

It's doesn't matter if it goes to other places occasionally. In the end when we have a lot more info we'll want to keep it entirely on the game but in the mean time if it drifts about to more modern stuff it's fine as long as we find our way back to the game at some point.

[earnest linden]

We will. Canon does dictate the game to an extent.

[slim ember]

It's the franchise lore after all

[earnest linden]

As the creators are as much fans as we are.

[past nacelle]

Should probably rename it Legacy Lore when the game releases, it make it more clear when that point arrives.

[vivid owl]

Nope, don't know the channel but it's an understandable topic that the Supreme Mugwump (leader) of the International Confederation of Wizards and the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot should have the political power to call for a trial.

[earnest linden]

That is a great pount and idea.

[high creek]

That is an option.

[slim ember]

Yes. I didn't know the lore was specific to the game for instance

[vivid owl]

I will when we get an information drop for the game, otherwise I'm kind of running out of topics to discuss.

[slim ember]

He chose to leave Sirius there to rot

[earnest linden]

I had feeling but as the games release is not even close yet as proff has said swinging to general lore is fine in interim.

[slim ember]

I wish we had more things to discuss about the game

[earnest linden]

I actually think he shouldn’t have had the ICW title.

As it should be an elected position. Like mr speaker.

Or the adjudicator of the forum.

Like our mods.

hats off to @professor strangers and mods

[vivid owl]

It is an elected position, it's the head of the ICW.

The Chief Warlock is the "speaker of the house" position and is also a voted in position.

[earnest linden]

Oh right so it was. Cool wasn’t sure cause he held those titles for like the whole duration of the books.

I am embarrassed with how much I know of this topic.

Dad if he reads these and knows half of my activity on here would shake his head and say sad.

[vivid owl]

Headmaster Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, First Order of Merlin, Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards.

Otherwise known as Dumbledore-too-many-titles.

[earnest linden]

Yup.

[slim ember]

Harry was so.... up that he named his kids after Dumbledore. I can't with that

[earnest linden]

Albus too many titles dumbledore

[vivid owl]

Albus Severus

[earnest linden]

I like that his kids name was a snake tho

[vivid owl]

I hate that name

[earnest linden]

ASP. Asp.

[vivid owl]

Should have been Remus Arthur Potter

[earnest linden]

Hey asp how’s school you in slytherin

Hahaha.

So punny

[earnest linden]

Oooh

[slim ember]

The worst part was that ginny thought it was okay

[earnest linden]

That’s good.

[earnest linden]

Oh I know.

So wrong.

[slim ember]

Albus severus 😭 😭 😭 😭 💀 💀 💀 💀

[cursive chasm]

I think we can all agree that albus severus is a crappy name

[earnest linden]

I liked Severus.

[cursive chasm]

But what do you think about substitutes

[slim ember]

Snape was an.... (insert bad word here)

[cursive chasm]

Snape was a ||dingus||

[cursive chasm]

^

[earnest linden]

I actually like any fanfic that has Harry in Slytherin or durmstrang, and has snape actually give a hoot and keep it from dumbles. Not dumbles bash but more dumbles is in the dark.

[vivid owl]

Or actually no you know what, he should have followed Potter tradition and had his children's names start with the letter H.

Of the named Potter's including Harry (but not his children) the only recurring starting letter is H.

So his kids should have been called Henry or Herbert, or Hugh, or Humphrey.

[earnest linden]

Like a teacher would be. I actually don’t know many teachers that get super involved with their students like dumbles does with a select few.

[slim ember]

But this would only work if snape wasn't acting like a manchild over a dead crush

[cursive chasm]

He reserved remus for teddy's children

[earnest linden]

That is understandable.

[cursive chasm]

Dont even get started on slughorn lol

[earnest linden]

Hundred percent.

[past nacelle]

Further supports the theory Hermione's kids are actually Harry's. Rose Weasley and Hugo Weasley bwhahaha....

I cracked up thinking about that.

[cursive chasm]

Maybe like after Colin........

[earnest linden]

He’s reserved for a very special place in my blackened heart.

[cursive chasm]

Bruh

[slim ember]

I love that we agree on how bad Snape and Dumbledore acted. I hate when people defend both of them, ignoring the fact that they almost destroyed Harry's life on purpose, many, many times

[earnest linden]

That’s in history. Harry’s father James, his grandfather fleamont his great uncle Charlus,

[vivid owl]

Dude. That's actually pain.

Harry's mum's side using flower names and his fathers side having a tendency for names beginning with H.

[earnest linden]

I don’t see many h’s

[vivid owl]

And his great grandfather is Henry Potter.

[cursive chasm]

^

[cursive chasm]

No

Some further ancestor

[earnest linden]

Yes. I don’t see that going further back.

[vivid owl]

The family founder is Hardwin Potter

[past nacelle]

Actually sticks to the point, though right? xD

[earnest linden]

Um the potter of lichcomb

And then the peverell line

I don’t see the connection in full.

I see coincidence.

[vivid owl]

Henry Potter is Fleamont's father. Charlus is Henry's younger brother (my thought, it's not actually confirmed how Charlus and Dorea tie into the family.)

[cursive chasm]

isnt fleamont james father then?

[cursive chasm]

So great grandfather

[earnest linden]

Yes I run the idea Charlie is either great uncle or great great uncle.

[cursive chasm]

Not grandfather

[vivid owl]

That's what I said.

[cursive chasm]

I must have misread

Lol srry

[earnest linden]

Yes

[cursive chasm]

And james' mom also had a weird name

[past nacelle]

I'm of the opinion at least one set of sibling carries a H name. Only reason James didn't might be exception, not the rule.

[vivid owl]

Linfried of Stinchcombe was known as the Potterer, his oldest son was Hardwin who took the name Potter when he married Iolanthe Peverell.

[vivid owl]

Euphemia isn't that odd, just old fashioned.

[earnest linden]

I have a theory

Not if the game.

[past nacelle]

A GAME THEORY! Cough

[earnest linden]

But of muggle born genealogy.

And lore

[past nacelle]

Just had to.

[vivid owl]

Fleamont was named so because Henry's mother was a something Fleamont and asked Henry to name a child after her to not let the Fleamont name die.

[earnest linden]

You couldn’t resist mate.

[past nacelle]

I have poor impulse control, it's true.

[slim ember]

Isn't Harry and Henry like the same name in a sense?

[earnest linden]

Anyway. My lore theory on genealogy of muggle borns is they’re not muggle borns. .

[past nacelle]

Depends if Harry is a nickname and not a shorthand for Hadrian or any other long H names.

[earnest linden]

Inter changeable sometimes. Not the same

[vivid owl]

Yeah Harry comes from Henry as the common form. So Henry would be the nobles version of the name.

[slim ember]

I'm interested. Keep going

[earnest linden]

It’s to do with meaning.

Henry and Harry and Harold all mean ruler.

[vivid owl]

Hence why there are King Henry's but no King Harry's

[earnest linden]

Goes back to Harrod and Harris etc.

[past nacelle]

Honestly, I find it a bit ridiculous that Harry is supposed to be his first name when it seems more like a nickname. Especially if James, as a pureblood had a hand in it.

[spark oxide]

I mean... James is about as common as they get imo

[slim ember]

This is a very English thinking. Interesting. As a Brazilian, a name is just a name

[vivid owl]

King James of Scotland disagrees with you.

[earnest linden]

Ok. Muggle borns are not actually muggle borns but lost squib descendants that end up with two squibs one on each side at some point and the genes converge in random selection of gametes.

I know it’s a common fanfic idea.

But I think it has merit.

[vivid owl]

Actually several King James' of Scotland and a couple of Scotland and England

[slim ember]

Cool. I like

[earnest linden]

But um on the subject of Harry potter in a dnd sense none of wizard ing world are wizards.

They’re all sorcerers as they were all born magical.

[past nacelle]

My head-canon is that it's his nickname and his full name might be something like Harold James Potter or Hadrian or something like that. Actually, I could see them being distinctive with him and giving a norse take on the name and using Harry as a nickname, especially if his name meaning was supposed to be a take on 'mighty' or 'ruler' or something.

[earnest linden]

Muggle borns are just wild magic sorcs

[past nacelle]

Makes sense with James being a rather noble name itself.

[vivid owl]

Oh actually another naming trait of the Potters is that their middle name is their fathers name. So Harry James Potter, James Fleamont Potter, Fleamont Henry Potter.

And so on and so forth.

[earnest linden]

I see it as Hadrian as in Hadrian’s wall.

[slim ember]

And then albus severus 💀

[vivid owl]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

lol

[earnest linden]

The divide between Scotland and Engels.

[past nacelle]

I do wonder if the reason Harry effed up there was because he had next to no knowledge of his family and unintentionally goofed up.

[vivid owl]

Been there. It's fun if tiring to walk up those hills they built it along.

[earnest linden]

Probably.

[earnest linden]

I want to.

[vivid owl]

Most likely, remember no one ever told him his grandparents names whilst he was at school

[slim ember]

But he really really goofed it up. Like. Really. It would be a name that a 13 yo fanfic writer would come up with

[past nacelle]

I still find it ridiculous that Potter didn't look into his family. If it were me, I would've. I'd want to know I came from something and not what foul, abusive relatives would say just to confirm it with my own eyes, y'know?

[slim ember]

Yes and specially because he was obsessed with knowing stuff about his parents

[vivid owl]

hence why people thought it was Charlus and Dorea as they were the first other Potters revealed.

[earnest linden]

Hmm.

[past nacelle]

You're not wrong...I do wonder if JK didn't have a hand in the Epilogue as much as she claims...

[earnest linden]

Hmmm. Publisher probably asked about it so she whipped something up.

[past nacelle]

Or in Deathly Hallows in general...the whole book felt very different from the previous books, if I'm honest.

[vivid owl]

Oh she did. Hence Astoria Greengrass. Poor Daphne, so forgettable that her own creator forgot she existed.

[earnest linden]

I actually loved deathly hallows ngl

[past nacelle]

Harry kinda flipped flopped back and forth between naive kid and warrior born of battle...kinda seemed...eh, like she couldn't make her mind up.

[earnest linden]

O lived the spells I lived the premise I lived how dark it baca@e.

[slim ember]

Oh no. I think it's 100% her fault. I'm surprised no one told her to change it

[earnest linden]

She probably couldn’t.

[spark oxide]

motions vaguely towards renesmee

[earnest linden]

Oh no.

[slim ember]

Hahahhahahhahahah

[earnest linden]

Not that rubbish. Sounding awfully like bill nighey.

[past nacelle]

Hisses in pain.

I like the name but the story....eugh...

[earnest linden]

It was drivel.

[past nacelle]

I'm actually waving my arms around irl as if to bat away painful thoughts. xD

[earnest linden]

The number of spelling mistakes I picked up on and marked down.

[spark oxide]

always nice to start your morning in a disgusted panic 😂

[earnest linden]

Well I hope your happy.

[past nacelle]

Afternoon here, but yeah..eugh...

[earnest linden]

Late night but sure.

[spark oxide]

bed time for me so just giggling myself to sleep

[earnest linden]

Imo eating cake.

Butter free.

Except for the butter cream.

[vivid owl]

This really shows you the lack of new lore though doesn't it. We've spent the last 30 minutes complaining about Harry's naming of his children and how it goes against both of his families naming schemes.

[earnest linden]

I so hope o can learn how to cook magic on game.

[vivid owl]

And then we got onto Rowling just not being great at naming people

and now we're on cake

[earnest linden]

Then onto Stephanie Myer

Then cake

What’s next uranium.

[vivid owl]

for that I'd have to have a fever

[earnest linden]

Haha.

I was punning . Yellow cake uranium.

[vivid owl]

but I don't have a Geiger counter or a piece of land, after all it's been staked by seventeen other guys

[earnest linden]

Interesting house hold. 17 fellas. Huh. We’ll have fun with that.

[vivid owl]

everything is a reference and I'm going to go read lest I go spare are trying to drag blood out of a stone by finding more applicable lore to talk about

[past nacelle]

Ironcially, I've no problem with James Sirius Potter naming (I can understand it, even) and same with Lily Luna Potter. But Albus Severus... It's like shooting yourself in the foot.

[vivid owl]

Shush, Albus Severus Potter doesn't exist, he's a figment of your imagination.

lol

[slim ember]

Yeah. We have to be patient and wait.

I don't want to be patient though 😁

[earnest linden]

Just the person I wanted to ask. You said your a teacher. May I ask of what. Like small kids early learning. Primary or high schooler?

And what subject?

[slim ember]

Early childhood

4yos

[earnest linden]

Ok. Cool. I was wondering based on reaction to the abomination I shan’t name.

What was your take on grammar.

I thought it appalling.

[slim ember]

I like it 😂

[earnest linden]

Thought you might. Lol.

I just thought the whole thing wrong based on previous discussion with Remus and tonks.

Anyway. I’m suppposed to have a phone call with South Africa … hope it’s not too much later.

Tis midnight.

[slim ember]

Good luck. I'm going to get ready to go to work 💀

[earnest linden]

Fun.

I like work.

Lost job in first wave of pandemic.

Not fun. And wouldn’t wish on anyone.

Getting a new one is abysmal

[fathom saffron]

You must be a ravenclaw 💙

[craggy moon]

he says to a gryffindor

[slim ember]

Not really 😔

[limber stratus]

Guess what I’m about to see, #SecretsOfDumbledore 🪄

[fathom saffron]

Take the test again

[earnest linden]

Lucky.

[earnest linden]

Just realised something. We’re going to 1890s yes?

We’re going to need to eat mouldy bread.

Penicillin has only just been discovered but not widely used. Is a common mould on bread. Also iodine in milk

That is if we’re muggle born.

[sharp wagon]

Yeap. Maybe we're gonna meet young dumbledor

[earnest linden]

Hmmm. My point was diseases like syphilis. But sure.

We’re gonna meet dumbles.

Maybe. We’d need to survive to 7th year for that tho.

Amd last I checked were in year 5.

Unless we’re not 1890 but 1892+.

[sharp wagon]

Ooooh I cant wait

[earnest linden]

Neither.

[sharp wagon]

Good thing is that the game does not require insane specs

[past nacelle]

I doubt we'll meet Dumbledore, perhaps we'll see him as a cameo if anything. Especially since at this point, he likely still has whole family intact rather than the splintered, broken mess it became that he was forced to leave Hogwarts to look after his Obscurial sister. I'll assume that'd be around his 6th or 7th year, since I doubt they'd have let anyone below 6th year to leave without their OWLs, and I do believe Dumbledore took his OWLs, at the least.

[sharp wagon]

I cant wait to see lore for hp. Before voldemor. What is going to be end game.

[fathom saffron]

How mundane would that be

[past nacelle]

I doubt we'll actually meet him, as I've said before. He and his family might end up being cameos in the opening or the ending, who knows. Dumbledore just seems like a cameo character at this point, especially since he's not attending Hogwarts yet.

[frank jewel]

I don't think he'll be there at all

[past nacelle]

There's also that.

[dire folio]

sadly, mc is too busy to be a genious scientist

[slim ember]

I took it and it sorted me on hufflepuff

[jovial fulcrum]

OMG A GRYFFINDOR

[slim ember]

I hope we don't see Dumbledore or I'll really want to kill him 👀

Hello buggs

[jovial fulcrum]

o/

[slim ember]

Can you believe that I've \o someone and they had no idea what it meant 😭

[jovial fulcrum]

WHOT

the audacity

[slim ember]

It's the younger generation my friend

[jovial fulcrum]

I mean; I'm turning 24 tomorrow; I'm not THAT old...

[topaz verge]

You wot 👁️👄👁️

[jovial fulcrum]

WAHT

[topaz verge]

I LIVED IN A LIE 👁️👄👁️

[jovial fulcrum]

HOW

[topaz verge]

IDK WHY

👁️👄👁️

I tHoUgHt YoU wErE lIkE 22

[jovial fulcrum]

I mean, its literally in my bio

[topaz verge]

I mean, I read people's bio almost never :v

How would I know?!?!?

[dire folio]

buggs in uncool category but not ancient yet

[jovial fulcrum]

the wha- rude.

[dire folio]

is it rude if i'm ancient as well 🥺

[jovial fulcrum]

on a scale of newborn to dinosaur, how bad is it?

[dire folio]

dinosaur

https://www.reddit.com/r/HarryPotterGame/comments/u8481z/i_made_a_list_with_some_people_who_might_appear/
Here's a pretty nice list of people that might be around in 1890's btw!

[jovial fulcrum]

So you would've been around in the 1890's?

[dire folio]

yes! I'm just not in the list bc i was not in britain

times were tough man, the spanish flu got me but that made covid easy

[jovial fulcrum]

fair enough

[fathom saffron]

It was obviously dark magic that brought about that flu

[dire folio]

It sure was

[fathom saffron]

Anyone got a rune link?

[earnest linden]

Nah. And if Is than I’m a curse breaker

[high patio]

Happy Birthday!

[jovial fulcrum]

Thankyou ❤

[low marten]

Why is Dumbledore's hair getting darker every movie

[modern moth]

they forget which pigment they use ig

[hushed nest]

looking forward to playing hogwarts legacy so we may witness students defacating on the floor and being suspended by their thumbs to the ceiling.

[frank jewel]

They didn't do it on the floor though

[hushed nest]

where did they do it if they didn’t have bathrooms

[vivid owl]

Rowling was an idiot when she said that, though she also said it was in the 1700s that the bathrooms got added

general answer is castles would have a room off to the side for pooping that'd basically push out past the castle walls so the poop would land in the moat

[frank jewel]

They relieved themselves where they stood. Why would they do it on the floor.

[vivid owl]

whilst not a "bathroom" it was a toilet, and Hogwarts would have been designed with some and probably a vanishing spell as well to avoid the brown streak down the outer walls of the castle

[frank jewel]

tbh it makes sense tho

[vivid owl]

oh the interior plumbing and bathrooms bit in the 1700s makes sense, the crapping in your pants then vanishing the evidence bit on the other hand does not

[frank jewel]

Why not?

[vivid owl]

sure it's quick but A) that'd feel awful and B) the vanishing spell is meant to be advanced Transfiguration (never sure why it's that and not charms but okay) and so what do first, second, third, and fourth years who can't do the spell do?

Go find a prefect to vanish their crap for them without hopefully them vanishing their underwear as well?

there would have been outer wall toilets or toilets within the walls that led to a deep pit that had a spell that specifically vanished poop

think sensibly, you don't even need to edit a real castle that much to allow for toilets so therefore people don't have to defecate themselves.

even the Romans had proper toilets and that was some 800+ years before Hogwarts was meant to be built

[frank jewel]

The vanishing charm being taught in 5th grade is the only thing I'd consider a good argument against it, for the reasons you said.

[vivid owl]

in Harry's time it's taught in 6th year

when I say "advanced" I mean it's an early NEWT spell

[frank jewel]

According to the wiki it's an OWL spell

[vivid owl]

strange, I remember the books having 6th and 7th years practice the vanishing spell on stuff that the younger years didn't want/need anymore

but the 5th years didn't do so

[frank jewel]

I don't remember the vanishing spell being in book 6 at least

But your point still stands

I could argue that the curriculum might have been different back in those days, but there's no proof of that so that's no poitn

however everything else you said directly relates to our world which doesn't really matter at all, since Wizarding society actively avoided them

[vivid owl]

From 1692 onwards after the Statute of Secrecy was put into effect world wide.

Hogwarts opened in 990 and was built even earlier and expanded on throughout the centuries to keep up with modern castle design.

So yes there would have been toilets

Rowling is just ignorant of history and thought having magicals use vanishing spells sounded cool

[frank jewel]

I don't know if their disregard to muggle advancement was related to the Statue of Secrecy, but I'd be interested to know

I always just assumed they just thought they were better

[vivid owl]

Considering the Malfoys were apparently active in the royal court of England, and we know of multiple magical nobles, no they didn't think they were better until after the split

or at least not superior per se

they thought magical culture was better, but not that magical people were inherently superior

[frank jewel]

I don't mean that they shunned them or anything, I just mean that they could already do so much with magic, why adopt anything the muggles do when they don't have the same abilities they do

I mean I guess they must have gotten their initial society from somewhere, in terms of writing with ink and quill, but idk if that was the earliest form of writing or anything

Interesting tbh, how did the original blood lines begin

[vivid owl]

Heck we know of at least one French magical duke who was obviously still active in the muggle world in the late 1700s as the people of the French Revolution knew of him enough to attack his home and try to execute him via guillotine though he used magic to make them think they'd cut his head off and they left him.

[frank jewel]

Was the world actually all wizards at first and then it slowly dwindled

[vivid owl]

Because some ideas are just good ones whether you've got magic or not.

Think or the great infrastructure works of the Romans, they would have benefitted magicals just as much as normal people

[frank jewel]

Of course, but they obviously don't think so. At least from the Harry Potter stories, and I guess further back too if they hadn't installed plumbing

[vivid owl]

Hogwarts Express

and also plumbing, as in modern plumbing, didn't really come about until the 1700s/1800s

so them not having it makes sense

[frank jewel]

Fair point

[vivid owl]

but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have had toilets

[frank jewel]

Hogwarts express did always seem a bit weird to me, especially after it's revealed they have like a million ways of travelling instantly

But yeah, tbh a lot of the books is just JK making up some new fun thing to serve a purpose in the current book

So she wasn't very consistent in the first place I guess

[vivid owl]

lack of planning is clear

[frank jewel]

I think she had the general plot laid out pretty well, just not the finer details

[vivid owl]

but then again she got rejected like 90 times for the first book so the fact it actually did so well was probably a massive surprise and she went "crap now I have to write a full series"

What annoys me though is the sheer disregard for how such a magical community would actually tie into the real world before the Statute is created

even just focusing on Britain there's so many damned questions of "What would happen?"

[frank jewel]

Can't say I'm very into the deeper lore of how it all came to be. I just like it for what it is. Pretty much like real life tbh 😅

[hushed nest]

man

[vivid owl]

For example, in 1067 or 1068 King William the Conqueror grants the Malfoys land for services rendered during the conquest. Now a king granting land always comes with an ennoblement unless he's specifically insulting a family. As this was meant to be a reward there would have been a title, either Baronet or Baron.

Which then leads to the question of what did the Malfoys do during the 1st and 2nd Barons Wars?

Moving past that there's a variety of small revolts like the Lords Appellant and so on and so forth.

Then we have the War of the Roses. Which is just a whole fustercluck.

Then we have the first Lucius Malfoy trying and failing to marry Queen Elisabeth, meaning the Malfoys were still noble in the mid to late 1500s and had potentially moved up a tier to Earls. And some time around there apparently Mary Queen of Scots was a witch. Rowling probably made that choice due to all the escape attempts the woman managed to pull off to get out of prison.

Then the final big What If? is the English Civil War. I assume they would have been on the Royalist side but who knows.

The problem is that Rowling just sort of picked some of the more interesting and simple parts of British history, said "magic" and called it done.

anything more than a cursory glance blows apart the foundation which the magical world stands on

[past nacelle]

Yeah, you can definitely say in-depth world building was not JKR's strong point.

[vivid owl]

French Ministry of Magic from Crimes of Grindelwald for example

why isn't it the République Magique de France

?

or MACUSA from Fantastic Beasts

why MACUSA

the United States wouldn't exist for another hundred years or so after MACUSA was made

heck in the mid 1600s when MACUSA was supposedly started, the place was commonly referred to as "the colonies" or "the new world"

[past nacelle]

Perhaps it had a different name and when the colonies/the new world became USA, it changed with it? I mean, that's logical but still...

But yeah, MACUSA just sounds like an awkward acronym to say.

I'm pronouncing it like MAC-OOSAH. xD

[vivid owl]

yeah I think that's how it's meant to be pronounced

[past nacelle]

Makes me wonder what the world building and the lore would've been like had the franchise been done by GRRM or Tolkien, or anybody who are far more versed in world building and in-depth lore, y'know?

[vivid owl]

If I ever become a published author, and can somehow convince Rowling to release her death grip on the HP franchise even just a little, I'll write some short story collections for the world that actually take into account history and culture.

until then, I'm sorry to say but it's Ministries of Magic for everyone

[slow horizon]

HP would never work under GRRM

Potter and all of his friends would've died

[past nacelle]

Yeah, the franchise would've been very...GoT'sy. Ron's betrayal would've been an actual betrayal, Hermione likely wouldn't have survived past 5th year if I'm being generous and Harry would've stayed dead at the end of it all.

[past nacelle]

So, I see your point there. xD

[slow horizon]

And Neville would've been tortured into insanity by Bellatrix

then executed

[past nacelle]

The one who finally offed Voldemort might've been Luna, because gods know there's some irony in being slain by the unassuming one. xD

[slow horizon]

The Ministry of Magic would've expelled Potter in his third year and probably administered the dementor kiss

[past nacelle]

And there'd be far more actual politics and actual power grabs and there'd be that one type of character that'd be like Littlefinger, just seeking to throw the world into chaos for his own gain only for it bite him in the ass.

[bronze otter]

if HP was written by GRRM hermoine wouldve been killed by the basalisk

ginny wouldve died in the chamber of secrets too

most likely dumbledore would have been stripped of headmaster

this is just the 2nd book

[modern moth]

on the got hp style, hermione would have been sleeping with ron, and harry potter on the side, then ron finds out and sell him out to a deatheatter...

[past nacelle]

Oof.

[earnest linden]

How would Harry be kissed his got a soul piece in him that’s not his?

If anything it’d free him of Voldemort’s horcrux and he could be just Harry.

[earnest linden]

Dune was also pretty good world building.

[earnest linden]

Nah in got style I’d see Harry n Ron being like renly n loras. With Ron and hermione being the actual thing and Harry still getting sold out by Ron because of well Ron and his terrible toxic jealousy of Harry.

[past nacelle]

Ron's idiocy and toxic jealousy would be a universal constant, no matter the HP universe.. xD

[full crypt]

y’all nooo. the movies did ron dirty

[past nacelle]

I would imagine Draco being like Jaime Lannister in a GoT style HP universe. Take him on that long redemption journey...hell, lose a hand too! He can replace it, after all. xD

[past nacelle]

Back to the topic of lore though - I was listening to Miracle of Sound's Tale of Cu Chulainn. Now, I'm sure you are wondering 'That's not back on topic!', true but here's the topical question...Would the mythical Hound of Ulster, Cu Chulainn have had any effect on magical history. Especially since he features prominently with a few other mythical people such as The Morrigan, Scathach and the like who might've also had a role in the wizarding world's history. Go forth, discuss! I'm eager to hear your ideas and opinions on this!

[past nacelle]

It's an actual lore channel. We do divert from topic, from time to time but given the game hasn't released yet we're a bit more focused on prospective lore and canon-lore. I imagine when the game releases, the channel might get renamed to Legacy Lore to stay specifically on Hogwarts Legacy and we might get a separate lore channel for those that just want to talk about lore, irrespective of the time period.

Don't take my word for it, it's just a big maybe on the last part.

Especially since lore is a huge topic that goes floating around on this server. xD

[earnest linden]

Lore has been migrated to other treads as well though lol.

Curtesy of you an me.

[past nacelle]

Also true, yeah.

[vivid owl]

The problem is that we're kind of out of lore to discuss without going to HP's time and even then we've been over a lot of that.

[past nacelle]

Might be why I decided to throw my hat in the ring with going backwards to the mythical times.

[past nacelle]

We've avoided the Next Gen/Cursed Child like the plague, as it deserves..haha.

[vivid owl]

yeah storywise it's not great

[tropic jewel]

I like to think that many of the mythical figures from various cultures might have played a part in the history of the magical world in general. Whether as wizards or witches or non-human beings shaping history

So muggles/mundanes would have their knowledge of things and magical/wixen would have theirs

[earnest linden]

I don’t like the term wixen. It just seems iffy like a more real interpretation to fantasy spellcaster tropes. Idkw just do. … umm in regards to the separation it’s only been separate for as long as gamps law on statute of secrecy. Prior to that law there was a mix of coexistence, persecution, baiting etc. as wizards n witches in Salem and Europe developed the flame freezing charm. That enabled them to escape trial. So those that did die in such trials were mundane and squibs.

See chocolate frog cards for more deets. Lol.

[hybrid crag]

Actually mundanes are just underdevolped psychics where as muggles are people that have very little psychic aptitude and no magical talent.

[hybrid crag]

Also did you know? that an actual curse can take any form but said form cannot be known even towards the caster. however a blessing is far different and can be shaped in any way the caster desires.

[ivory acorn]

I rmemeber one. There was a witch that liked to be burned, somehow survived it all and ocntinued to get into trouble just to be burned. I've played Chamber of Secrets on PC long time ago, dont remember actual description of that witch.

Google says it's Wendelin the Weird

[random willow]

masochist vibes bro

[frank jewel]

I think she's in this game too, there's a portrait of a witch burning in one of the shots of the castle

[neon kindle]

Any pics?

[frank jewel]

Trying to find it

[frank jewel]

Found it

[neon kindle]

Dayum i just love how the slytherins are sitting down looks great

[frank jewel]

I also noticed that they are reusing the slytherin tiles in the library

[neon kindle]

Wdym by tiles?

[frank jewel]

these floor tiles

Are also these floor tiles

[neon kindle]

Oh so it must be close to the slytherin common room?

[frank jewel]

It's the library, so I don't think so

They just reused the texture

[celest pasture]

Hm the tiles do look a bit different tho

[frank jewel]

They are mixed in with some wood boards

but it is the same tiles

lighting is just different

Well, actually, the diamonds are a different color

[celest pasture]

Yeah they are shaped a bit different, but I guess there is not much you can do with tiles lol

The architecture of the pillars looks really cool

[frank jewel]

I think they are the same shape, small square in the middle with a beveled border and diamonds in the corners

[celest pasture]

Ah now I see the big similarity too. Was too focused on these long horizontal ones

[frank jewel]

I recreated that texture so I know the details all too well 😅

[uncut portal]

Speaking of lore, why is Accio being used like Carpe Retractum?

[celest pasture]

Maybe because it's a signature spell. Hope it's not needed that often.

It most likely will have other voices to pick, but I won't survive hearing this va saying accio this often 💀

[ivory acorn]

My guess is that either way you had to constantly switch between Accio and Carpe Retractum. Basicly - they did that for the sake of convenience. But in all honesty, if older games can use Expelliarmus as Protego, then this game can add few functions to Accio

[uncut portal]

Accio is a very specific kind of summoning charm to carpe though. Carpe has the magical rope that comes from your wand and accio does not. Its also established in the books that accio doesnt work on living things, and carpe could easily pull someone toward you.

https://tenor.com/view/it-does-not-make-sense-johnnie-cochran-south-park-s2e14-chef-aid-gif-21655999

[ivory acorn]

Again, devs have a right to make additional effects for spells. I said the reasons above

[uncut portal]

It doesnt mean they should change established spells, but if you want to defend that one little thing that is a simple fix of dialogue and text in game, then go ahead and defend it. We can still pick at things that are wrong.

[glossy juniper]

Are the spells closer to the books or movies?

[stiff jacinth]

Most likely it's gonna be both

[dire folio]

It seems like theyve taken at visual inspiration from the movies, so most likely a mix of both

[ivory acorn]

I wonder how Expelliarmus will be represented. In the first games it was a Deflecting Spell, basicly Protego. In later games it dealt huge damage but being slow. In the last two games of HP franchise it only broke Protego shields.

[stiff jacinth]

I mean, from the state of play, it seemed a lot closer to the actual use of expelliarmus, plus a bit more

[vivid owl]

well perhaps it'll do what it's meant to in the game, which is disarm, but it could be like the films where it disarms and knocks someone back.

[ivory acorn]

Uhm... I dont remember Expelliarmus being used in SoP

[stiff jacinth]

It was directly said, and disarmed a statue I believe, then the Sword was used to attack its original wielder

[ivory acorn]

One minute

[stiff jacinth]

7:00 minutes in

[ivory acorn]

Huh, only just now I'e heard it.

[stiff jacinth]

Yeah, Expelliarmus, oppugno

[ivory acorn]

Okay, that's the use on statues, but how it would be used on people then?

[stiff jacinth]

Potentially and IMO: non-lethal manner of eliminating opponents, delaying their ability to oppose you so you can deal with other enemies, cutting their spell short

Perhaps a distraction with stealth

[dim pawn]

I would prefer to Avada Kedavra them but oh well 😄

[steel lake]

So, the game was set around 1920-ish, right?

[ivory acorn]

Its 1890 when the game starts

[steel lake]

I see

[nova fable]

what happens after the storyline is over tho

do u just freeplay

[noble jetty]

There seems to be a lot of content

And I mean, all single-player games end up ending so freeplay or restarting/creating more characters is what people do

[real jetty]

Actually, it is established in the books that accio DOES work on living things. (Accio toad, accio fish). 🙂

[finite pilot]

hmmmm floor

[earnest linden]

accio remus?

accio hungarian horntail?

accio basalisk?

nope!?!🤨 😭

Accio niffler def works

maybe it has to do with size?

[stiff jacinth]

Accio Willy Wonka

[eternal ivy]

I remember in the game Harry Potter: Magic Awakened, they say it only works for a small fantastic beast (forgot the name), so I am really curious on the truth

[sharp gazelle]

Maybe u need to point it ? Cause the accio niffler i remember is from fantastic beasts and newt does point it?

[earnest linden]

yeh but the other stuff....

theres no reference to it so does size matter

???

[sharp gazelle]

Eh, i guess that's creative liberty , or whatever it's called?

Could be anything

[torn plank]

could you do accio to a human newt does it to a niffler

[real jetty]

A wizard does it to a salmon (or trout in English ?) in Deathly Hallows, chapter 15, to fish.

The frog/toad is in book 5, chapter 18

[celest pasture]

The Daily Prophet is not a trustworthy paper...

[next tiger]

That's right don't trust The Daily Prophet^^

[uncut portal]

Rowling also said it on her official website. People have been discussing those 2 scenarios of the frog and fish. It comepletely contradicts what she establishes, but she did say its only for inanimate objects

[celest pasture]

The Quibbler is where it's at

[uncut portal]

At this point, it still has the tether which is more like carpe. Harry didnt need to be anywhere near his firebolt, and i think accio could be used to summon inventory that is not on your person at the time. You cast accio and then suddenly your broom flies in or a potion you made. Something like that. Carpe you need to see the object you're pulling and be within a certain distance it seems

[celest pasture]

You are right about accio, since Hermione was able to summon the horcrux books to her out of Dumbledore's office.

[uncut portal]

it makes sense to do it as an inventory spell and not enviromental use spell.

[real jetty]

Well, she doesn't know her own writing. 🤣 She said something that was contradicted by books before, and that changed in the movie that followed... it is pretty clear what the outlier is.

[glossy juniper]

What does the riting say?

[frank jewel]

something something Veterinary Supplies?

[dusk summit]

Looks like it says

PROFESSOR

ERNEST JAGS?

And then like Darkstar said, Veterinary Supplies

I'm not sure about "Ernest" though LOL

Could it be Ernesto

[dusk summit]

So who’s this Professor Jags person

[frank jewel]

Maybe one of the Shop keepers in town?

[glossy juniper]

the word jag means to stick a needle into something

So the name could be Quick Jag

Or

Quick Heal

Or help

[crisp raven]

It probably is Ernesto because, when zoomed in, you can see an O or elliptical shape after the t

And O is the only really logical thing for that

So maybe now we have a name for our Care Of Magical Creatures Professor

[iron marsh]

I think you're correct

Professor Ernesto Jags - Veterinary Supplies

Detective type stuff

[gentle salmon]

Objection, relevancy?

[jovial fulcrum]

Ill allow it

[celest pasture]

That goes to bias though...

[iron marsh]

Hearsay..

[jovial fulcrum]

Mega pint

[uncut portal]

A mega pint of butterbeer i hope

[earnest linden]

Oooh. I cast accio dracos Malfoy current neck tie. Next minute a very dead Malfoy is strangled as he’s dragged half way across the world.

That’s gonna be so useful.

[white sierra]

I didn't even think about it this way. Damn. Big brain

[earnest linden]

I love big brain moments.

I hope with accio we can type commands if needed.

[jovial fulcrum]

I doubt it, since that would be VERY inefficient for controller plebs

[round oxide]

you seriously trust the Prophet?

[mint trench]

Or, the fact that if Voldomort really wanted to kill Harry, he could of used the accio charm on his glasses.

[cyan dew]

Anyone know about the timeline of the Elder Wand? As in, do we know for sure where it is in 1890?

[past nacelle]

Guess it's missing until Gregorovitch got his hands on it, according to that.

[shadow lava]

From a few sources I've seen yes, essentially by 1899 Gregovitch has it but no mention of where from or how.

[past nacelle]

Actually, squinting at it Gregorovitch didn't get his hands on it until 1909.

[shadow lava]

Sorry, was reading from a different source xD They all dont give a clear answer

[glossy juniper]

How did dumbledooor get it?

[past nacelle]

He got it from Grindelwald, I assume from their big massive showdown which I also assume took place towards the end of World War II, which was around the same time as Hitler's downfall since the wizarding war against Grindelwald was taking place alongside World War II.

[glossy juniper]

Pls dont tell me hitler is mentioned in the crimes of grindlewald movie

[viral badger]

Let's not get into that topic

You can discuss the movie/setting but avoid the other person

[past nacelle]

I've no idea what the Fantastic Beasts series is doing with it because from what I recall of Chamber of Secrets, Dumbledore was avoiding fighting Grindelwald for a large portion of the time World War II was in full gear so...Honestly, no clue.

[jovial fulcrum]

No spoilers tho plz

[viral badger]

Yes no spoilers as many haven't seen the film

There is however a thread in films channel that allows that stuff

[past nacelle]

Since Tom Riddle was at Hogwarts during the time the wizarding war and World War II was ongoing and Dumbledore was still the Transfiguration teacher. I'll assume he took the fight to Grindelwald either just before or just after he became Headmaster or he got the position after he'd fought Grindelwald so... There's no clear cut timeline here because of Fantastic Beasts fiddling with things we already know to be stated in the HP series so...

One thing I've noticed is some things in the timeline of the wizarding world are a bit blurred because we've no clear timing for what happened or when, it's just a rough estimate.

[glossy juniper]

Im not a fan of the recent movies

[cyan dew]

thank you so much!

so even though it's unlikely, there's a possibility that the wand ends up in the MC's hands, which I find very interesting

[earnest linden]

It’s irrelevant as that’s a muggle. And Grindelwald was against muggles.

[subtle olive]

pretty sure Myrtle died in 1945 and Dumbledore became Headmaster between 1947 and 1957, somewhere in that ballpark

EDIT: Ok she died in 1943 which means Tom asked for the job at Hogwarts in 44, meaning he returned to ask Dumbledore in 1954

[earnest linden]

Maybe. But irl is on the DL.

If they have portrayal of ww2 Germany I think it will likely be on passing and not a main focus.

My question though on that train of thought is what’s the wizard img world POV on Rasputin.

[glossy juniper]

Plant collections looks great. Finally some actual hard work

[rancid pumice]

just hope it doesn't do a Skyrim of you press a and it disappears into your inventory

actually picking it up would be cool

[dire folio]

If I remember the vid correctly its a bit like that but Im lot mad

[full crypt]

i wanna collect all of the things 👀

[coral sigil]

Imo is enough if it's like PUBG (where it just moves the hand into it and then disappear) more than that is time waste

[rancid pumice]

i get the advantage of both but personally i like my realism lol, ik its probs just gonna be a disappear into inv thing

[neon kindle]

Hm maybe i should be happy

[frank jewel]

If there's any game where it would be realistic for the item to disappear into your inventory it would be this one. Given that you can just teleport the items where you need them with your wand :D

[earnest linden]

We’re wizards we just wave a wand to do stuff. Lol.

[earnest linden]

Could have animation of pocketing.

Never know.

[random elbow]

They showed a little wand pickup animation which I thought looked really good and hope that's all

[robust owl]

Why would wizard need to pickpocket

[random elbow]

We're talking about picking up plants and other resources/items

[robust owl]

I thought they did have an animation for that

[quartz solstice]

If I remember, the character says “accio” in the video for this action

[uncut portal]

You ask that like Mundungus Fletcher isnt a character.

[random elbow]

Yes that's what I said lol

[bronze otter]

Why is there a muggle here?

[robust owl]

Because muggle are better then wizards

[bronze otter]

You cant do magic, i could kill crowds by flicking my wrist

[viral badger]

Let's stay on topic please

[robust owl]

You lost to a baby

[robust owl]

Ok

[bronze otter]

Lets take this to #😎off-topic

[earnest linden]

nah id like to pickpocket like pickket

[earnest linden]

isnt that liliths line?

[earnest linden]

becasue magic theft leaves a trace of signature

how else dowes the trace work

[vivid owl]

by area

notice Fred and George use magic at home multiple times and never get a letter for it

yet for Harry if magic even happens in the general vicinity of his house then he's blamed for it.

Like how'd they know that Harry was the one to cast the patronus when he and Dudley were attacked by dementors? They didn't, they just knew magic had been used in the area and blamed Harry when it could have just been a passing magical.

[paper ingot]

If I remember it correctly it was problematic for Harry because he was the only magical person at Privet Drive and the ministry knew it was him

and Fred and George lived in a completely magical house they could not say for sure it was them

[vivid owl]

yeah, it's basically a "is this place known to have adult magicals using magic?" and if yes then they just assume it was the adult and that the parents are enforcing the "no magic outside of school"

[earnest linden]

That is so dumb considering snape set potions homework over summer.

[earnest linden]

Also Harry was supposed to be in hiding at his aunt n uncle.

Find relevant quote in first book between Minerva and albus

[indigo basin]

There could be tons of lore in the restricted section to read and learn from many different books about:
Characters development & backstory (Would be awesome to read about the deathly hallows)
Documents and notes regarding forbidden and dangerous spells (The Unforgettable curses)

The restricted section could be the biggest temptation to read about the true natures of the dark arts to become a powerful wizard with many attributes. You may not uncover these being a good person but imagine if you could convince your closest friends to join you as you become a dark lord! and your given new quest objectives and more choices.

I would love to first hand reveal incredible information and furthermore have the option to share or not to my friends I make, I could be a lone wolf or raise my own deadly alliance.

So much lore and so much could be implemented. Could even be a massive DLC expansion.

[earnest linden]

Hmmm. I agree. Also #🏰choose-your-house unless you wanna be a ghost.

[earnest linden]

https://tenor.com/view/hermione-checked-book-gif-13279876

https://tenor.com/view/hermione-book-library-libro-biblioteca-gif-7709770

Me and Harry Potter lore. Lol.

[fathom saffron]

I doubt that. I dont think the devs put that much into reading books with pages of info unlike the skyrim series. They do it right

[indigo basin]

So much lore that you would have to make multiple trips to not get busted to find key information in books.
To make it even more of real engaging activity, no two players should have the same restricted area so the average user can't just watch a youtube guide to easily find, read and skip dialogue. (So the order of books aren't in order as it needs to be sorted by a trusted source. When you've read the last book the next time you visit it you could be given a hint of it as well as the books are now sorted correctly)

Lastly, If a player can't be bothered or get stuck on puzzles or what not their should be information to read in here. Thing is it would only make a difference if you can remember or recall it to bypass or help solve what you need. The more books with information, the more key important books blend in.

Every reference from the books and movies regarding the restricted area should be implemented along with deathly hallows.
I would actually love to read that complete tale!

Horcrux's should definitely be mentioned and you can only understand it fully IF you make friends and talk to the right Professor. Imagine their reactions when being asked about it! You could only get one chance at this before all staff now have you under their close watch and behave differently around you.

[fathom saffron]

Giving people the answer would make the puzzle worth wile?

[indigo basin]

You'd have to find the book first and take note of the cleverly written passage.
Also, there wouldn't be harm in giving the answers to puzzles but YOU have to connect the dots and do something that unlocks from an alternate way of knowing about it.

Me personally, I would love to spend a long time in there in intervals to learn so much and gain knowledge to give me a much bigger field of choice and more options in the long run.

[fathom saffron]

Connecting dots is easy

[indigo basin]

For some people, yes.
For others that just skip through it will be more of a challenge.

[hushed nest]

i wouldn’t mind there be a bunch of books you can just read kind of like in skyrim.

[celest pasture]

This would be cool

[tough bough]

Skill books for sure

heh

[rugged ravine]

oh yeah , same

[vocal ravine]

Is their any spell which can make dead people alive

[livid elm]

nothing can bring back the dead

only the husks, they're called Inferi

[full crypt]

there’s the ring, but that was a whole other situation

wait

that was the resurrection stone

[livid elm]

it cant either

[full crypt]

but still- not really a bring back the dead thing

[livid elm]

it brought people back as more than ghosts but less than alive

[rigid halo]

I remember Dumbledores words ' remember Harry, nothing can bring back the dead' or something like that