lore

[craggy moon]

wait whats an animagus

[desert plaza]

Animal people

[craggy moon]

ah

ye that would be cool

[reef kindle]

an animagus is a wizard or witch that can transform at will to one particular animal

[desert plaza]

Animal people

[reef kindle]

I see a good way to do it gameplay wise, we know from the Marauders that it is a lengthy a process that involves brewing and consuming potions, invocations in certain time of the night, and loads of repetition

so that process is quite grindy... that could limit some to attain it, and the rarer the occurrence, the least amount of variety it will require

having said all this, I simply going to grind the living daylight out of Hogwarts Legacy 😄

[craggy moon]

OH WE ALL will

the amount of screenshots we’re gonna sent to each other here

[reef kindle]

I'm really looking forward to that, to see others mocking about 🙂

[violet tangle]

Most magical creatures that are known can be found in the Harry Potter universe. But becoming a Vampire or Werewolf will probably open a whole new door

[reef kindle]

or rabbit hole...

[violet tangle]

That will be a tight fit

[desert plaza]

Sabastion is probably a werewolf

[reef kindle]

it is something about the sister of his, the curse you are referring to

[desert plaza]

Where did you find out he had a sister?

[reef kindle]

literally, she standing next to him when the father destroys the magic fig

[vivid owl]

family member that isn't his father

I thought that was his mother actually

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef kindle]

I assumed...

[reef kindle]

too young for that

evening Fuzz, btw 🙂

[vivid owl]

maybe I'm misremembering the trailer but I thought she looked mid-30s

and evening

[desert plaza]

That was a random student girl and the teacher was the potions professor.

[vivid owl]

there's a part it shows his home life when it says about the fact he's hiding a secret

at least it looked like his home life cos the quick shot doesn't match Hogwarts and the guy who destroyed the flower that he hands the woman didn't look like any of the professors

[reef kindle]

that is not a the potions professor

looks totally different

[modern moth]

throwing the capture in here.. i guess the looks/age could be debated xD

[reef kindle]

okay, I assumed a sickly younger sister 😄

[modern moth]

that was my impression too

[reef kindle]

shrivelfig, apparently

[vivid owl]

I guess most cos it was just such a quick shot. But seeing the freeze frame yeah she's young, either his age or younger.

Perhaps she might even be his twin but experiencing a curse that makes it impossible for her to attend Hogwarts

like vampirism or lycanthropy

As whilst vampirism is certainly more supported, it's not exactly smiled upon

and the first werewolf to attend Hogwarts is Remus

[reef kindle]

the older relative says: "We've been over this, boy! Shrivelfigs cannot reverse a curse, nothing can..." Then he destroys the fruit like a total douche...

[desert plaza]

They said it's a family curse not just on this made up sister. Who I don't think that is, I think that person got him the plant he asked for.

[neon kindle]

How do u know if thats his father and how do u know if its his sister

[reef kindle]

they say a family secret and I assume the rest

the scene is not Hogwarts

[neon kindle]

How do u know

[desert plaza]

The scene is in the potions classroom.

[reef kindle]

no it is not the potions classroom

[vivid owl]

Only the background doesn't look like the potions classroom

[neon kindle]

You dont know that what😑

Also how do u know its not at hogwarts 🤨

[desert plaza]

True could be the potion ingredient store too

Tho it looks to be super late so never know

Which is why I was thinking it was the potions classroom as they could be stealing the ingredient and got caught

[vivid owl]

I mean it doesn't look anything like the potions classroom that we see in the rest of the trailer

[neon kindle]

Library?

New area?

[desert plaza]

That could be a possibility.

[vivid owl]

It does come after a section of him sneaking out of the library and getting caught

[desert plaza]

They maybe were researching it

[vivid owl]

but again the wood used for the bookcases in the background seems different

[reef kindle]

okay the draperies behind the man, who takes Sebastian's fig is nothing like we see anywhere in Hogwarts, you asked me, how do I know it is not Hogwarts, well what makes you certain it is? Has nothing to do with the potions professor, the man has a different posture, different facial structure and beard. Also, somehow more rugged, more scruffy... The girl is not wearing any form of uniform that all other children wearing in the video. I just watched it frame by frame ^^

the scene playing as the voiceover says "With a troubling family secret"

[desert plaza]

That still doesn't mean any of them are related.

[reef kindle]

I'm not a gambling man, but I'm willing to bet they are. 🥺

[vivid owl]

it'd be a bit odd if it said "A troubling family secret" and they didn't at least potentially show his family

[reef kindle]

well, here's the good news, whichever of us is right about this, we will know for certain, come December

if I'm wrong, I will freely admit that, you have my word for it 🙂

[neon kindle]

There will be too many

[neon kindle]

Details about there face,clothing,expressions dont matter

[reef kindle]

oh? and why is that?

[neon kindle]

Because it has nothing to do with where they're at or if there his siblings,family members

[reef kindle]

I'm sorry I still don't get it... why wouldn't it matter if someone is not dressed per school requirement (meaning they are not at the school) or if the older man is decidedly looks like Sebastian plus a few decades? I don't follow your logic there...

[neon kindle]

Thats like saying someone not wearing there robes is not at there school

[reef kindle]

well, if you read the book or know anything about the British school system, that is exactly what that means

[neon kindle]

I doubt its his dad could just be someone who knows his family secret and the girl could just be his friend that also know his family secret

[neon kindle]

It doesnt when it happens in the books/movies

[reef kindle]

the movies were less then accurate about that part of the books, hence I wouldn't call them as reference

[neon kindle]

The books do it aswell

[reef kindle]

only if they were outside of school term

[neon kindle]

Especially when in the 7th book they don't wear there robes anymore

[reef kindle]

that might be because they are running for their lives 😄

[neon kindle]

Neither in the 6th or 5th

And 3rd

[reef kindle]

I think I covered that...

[neon kindle]

Theres still many students that were wearing there robes and running away

[neon kindle]

In the castle..

[vivid owl]

The students are allowed to change out of uniform after classes end, just most don't as it's extra effort

[reef kindle]

okay, wizarding war aside, in the 1890s students of any grammar school were expected to wear their uniforms in good order and according to the regulations of their institutes at all time, except for private family affairs like Sunday church or luncheons, but at all time whilst at school

[vivid owl]

or if they do it is to shuck the outer robe and put on a jumper

[reef kindle]

in my case, it was still so in the 1990s

[neon kindle]

It wasnt but k

[vivid owl]

in the 1890s I would expect the dress code to be stricter

but that doesn't mean that students can't wear their own clothes in the evenings or on the weekends

just that certainly for the evenings they seem unlikely to

[desert plaza]

Unless he's an only child

[vivid owl]

Potential cousin then that he's helping

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef kindle]

still isn't the norm at Eton, for example

[desert plaza]

Lol

[vivid owl]

yes well Eton isn't Hogwarts

[neon kindle]

Exactly

[vivid owl]

heck technically in the HP universe Hogwarts is the 2nd or 3rd oldest school in the country, it'd have it's own fairly ancient set of traditions

[reef kindle]

whilst I agree, I always thought the best wizarding school means something like Eton or Marlborough

[vivid owl]

and yes technically those other schools are Oxford and Cambridge and now universities, but still counts

[reef kindle]

Oxbridgewarts? 😄 has a ring to it though 😄

[vivid owl]

I mean perhaps they would have a magical section to them considering their age

cos otherwise you're telling me that in a 1000 years no student came out of Hogwarts and couldn't get a master to apprentice to to get their mastery as all of them already had apprentices, and decided that there needed to be some form of higher education system.

[reef kindle]

990s AD for Hogwarts, that makes it the oldest continuous school on the British Isles and by extension, possibly the world

[neon kindle]

Was Hogwarts ever like damaged again after the 1900s

[vivid owl]

you mean like the Battle of Hogwarts?

not that we know of before or after

[reef kindle]

1998 that was. It was never attacked until the Astronomy Tower incident at 1997 where Dumbledore was killed.

it may have been challenged is some shape or form during the Founders' days

at least Godric Gryffindor was a known duellist, best of his time, he would not just seize that activity because of the school

he remained fairly combative, one of the reason he fell out with Salazar Slytherin

and the grounds have extensive repellent magic against quite a few supernatural beings

weren't Dumbledore needed to lower certain wards for Charlie be able to get the dragons in for a the Triwizard Tournament?

[vivid owl]

And also the fact that Slytherin parked a basilisk there as protection that then sort of lost its mind as it lived to be the largest and oldest basilisk ever recorded

and the spell which awakens the statues in the entrance hall and calls them to guard the school

the castle is pretty well defended and it does indeed take an army to actually try and take it

[merry ruin]

I still question what was it food source during that time

[neon kindle]

I have no idea what yall are talking about

[reef kindle]

that was one of the coolest moments in the books, Dame Maggie was brilliant in that scene too 🙂

[vivid owl]

Perhaps creatures from the forbidden forest and the black lake

[merry ruin]

But how did no one notice(and don’t say the pipes)

[neon kindle]

Wdym fell out with salazar?

[reef kindle]

Piertotum Locomotor

[vivid owl]

Gryffindor and Slytherin had a falling out and Slytherin left the castle for good.

[reef kindle]

over the admittance of muggle-born students

[neon kindle]

Like a battle or like you know

[reef kindle]

they were thick as thieves until that point

[vivid owl]

It seems Slytherin was arguing against the admittance of muggle-born students due to the dangers they bring, and Gryffindor, the son of a noble, thought it fine cos he'd managed to convince muggle parents before that it wasn't evil.

They had a big falling out, and potentially duelled, and Slytherin left in a huff after technically losing the duel

[neon kindle]

Ig the guards were put there to give time for other students to get inside the castle and stuff cause they were kinda slow so trolls could easily hit them but if they were surrounded they were probably hit and killed

[reef kindle]

not sure how accurate those games were in terms of strengths and weaknesses, I'd assume the new game will be less lenient, as we will fight suits of armour or statues

[reef kindle]

"Eventually, Slytherin and Gryffindor had a bitter and possibly even violent argument over the subject, it is possible that they duelled, or that a civil war of sorts broke out between the houses. Slytherin chose to leave the school eventually, but he had left the Chamber of Secrets and his Basilisk behind, and he later died at an old age. " - an exert from a writing about Salazar Slytherin's life

[native cave]

what the lore of the wizard world in 1890?

[reef kindle]

now say that in English, please? 😮

[native cave]

I said it in English I asked what are the rules of the wizarding world at the time the game took place?

in 1890s

[reef kindle]

okay, the first question does not mean anything intelligible, the second does. The answer to the second is, the rules are the same as in the Harry Potter books

[vivid owl]

not much different from what they are in the 1990s

[past nacelle]

Yeah, it's not a huge time gap between the 1890s to 1990s, really. Sure, there's some differences but it's not like it's medieval time period.

[native cave]

Like the law that it is not alowed to do magic near non-wizards?

[reef kindle]

btw Zocker, go to #🏰choose-your-house and sort yourself out, if you like 😛

[past nacelle]

The Statue of Secrecy is still in place, that's been around since the 1700s.

[reef kindle]

Statute of Secrecy was signed into law in 1707

[past nacelle]

I knew it was 1700s, forgot the specific year. xD

[reef kindle]

a good effort 😛

[native cave]

what is btw?

[past nacelle]

By the way.

[reef kindle]

by the way

[vivid owl]

1692 was when it was put into place but signed in 1689. The Ministry of Magic was established in 1707.

[native cave]

i chose my house now

[reef kindle]

so no law enforcement before that? 😄

[reef kindle]

congratulations 🙂

[vivid owl]

There was the Wizards Council who passed laws, but yeah actually that seems to be a point there was no central government to hand out punishments to law breakers.

[past nacelle]

Yeah, it'd be hard to enforce the SoS without some form of law enforcement so...Perhaps there was pre-Ministry organization that eventually formed into the Ministry as we know it.

[vivid owl]

Back in the old days in real life punishment was generally carried out by the town guards/retinue of the local lord.

[past nacelle]

I'd gather the Wizards Council was either abolished or taken into the Ministry with a different name.

[vivid owl]

yeah so from what I can tell the Wizards Council seems to have been the major players in the Wizengamot just acting as a privy council and making decisions for the whole country

[native cave]

Anyone know what will be in the game in terms of rules? I mean will magicians enforce laws?

[past nacelle]

Should've just kept the name and slightly changed it. Wizengamot just sounds...weird.

[vivid owl]

the Wizengamot is separate from the Wizards Council

[reef kindle]

1689,1689,1689 SoS. 1707, 1707, 1707 Ministry... just memorising...

[past nacelle]

Now you're confusing me! Flails!

[vivid owl]

the Wizengamot being everyone entitled to a vote in British politics, whilst the old Wizards Council was more like the cabinet office for the government, just a select few with extra power

[native cave]

?

[reef kindle]

well done, pretty neat way of putting it

[past nacelle]

The Wizards Council probably got put out of the way because there was then a Minister for Magic and his/her office and the Wizengamot was then acting more like Parliament.

[vivid owl]

When the Ministry was formed, the then Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot who was also the chief of the Wizards Council, and so after the change of government, became the first Minister for Magic, whilst the rest of the Wizards Council became the department heads of the Ministry

so they basically just kept all their power

[reef kindle]

not for sure, but the Magical Law Enforcement should look the same in structure, then in Harry Potter's time, so there should be Obliviators, Aurors and the like

[past nacelle]

I had it about right, roughly. xD

[vivid owl]

no getting out the way, just changing the names of the office of power really

[slow horizon]

Library looks different. This is over at Sallow household during the Christmas holidays

[native cave]

thank you for answer

[reef kindle]

pleasure

[neon kindle]

You dont know that

[vivid owl]

Dude, you're fighting quite hard to say it isn't what it looks like

you might as well be looking at a duck and calling it a bear

[neon kindle]

Who

[native cave]

I've seen the Harry Potter movies many times and never understood who the Minister of Magic is. What's his story? Why does it exist? Who is one of him?

[reef kindle]

he said to you, Miles 🙂

[neon kindle]

Im just saying they could be wrong they do be acting as if its actually what there doing and where they are

[native cave]

?

[neon kindle]

All im saying is it could be a new area or an old area in the castle

[slow horizon]

And why exactly would his father be at the castle ?

doesn't make any sense

[vivid owl]

I mean whilst it's alright to point out that we could be wrong, there's a difference between doing that and grasping at straws to say it

[neon kindle]

Idk a professor?

[slow horizon]

A professor who is not at the great hall at the professor tables ? Hardly

and a professor would've called him Mr. Sallow, not just simply boy

[neon kindle]

Also what would shrivelfigs be doing at sebastians house

[past nacelle]

Can't be the librarian of the time, because we saw her scolding Seb when Peeves likely ousted him from the library because Peeves is a d-bag like that.

[slow horizon]

he brought it home to cure his sister

[reef kindle]

the Minister of Magic is a secret member of the British Government, directly reporting to the Prime Minister of the time. The minister is elected by the witches and wizards of the Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland. He or she can serve indefinite terms. The Minister is Chief Executive and Chief Justice in one person.

[neon kindle]

He could've easily done that at hogwarts and try to make a cure

[slow horizon]

Not if his sister is at home

[neon kindle]

Also there not at the professors table 24/7

[past nacelle]

Honestly, we're not seeing the full picture yet and taking potshots in the dark. We'll likely know more once the game releases or if they release more information about the companions.

[neon kindle]

His sister could be at the hospital wing

[slow horizon]

They are at the beginning of the year

during the feast

[neon kindle]

Yeah and we dont know if thats in the beginning of the year

Atleast that scene ofc

[native cave]

But the government does not know about the existence of wizards no?

[reef kindle]

the Prime Minister does, although you'd run a risk being labelled a nutcase if admitting that to the public 🙂

[slow horizon]

Sure, it's pretty reasonable that we are getting sorted during Easter instead of September

[past nacelle]

Yeah, the beginning of the year feast and the end of the year feast are mandatory attendances by all staff and students.

[neon kindle]

I dont see why sebastian would go somewhere to get shrivelfigs during the sorting ceremony

[reef kindle]

although in this sense lest of the term and more of the calendar year we are talking about

[native cave]

oh Now I understand everything.
Thanks

[slow horizon]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the sorting ceremony for the player character. The man who you call a professor is not at the professor table. Ergo he is not a professor

[neon kindle]

If hes really tempted than yeah ig it would make sense but like he could do it at night or sneak in during the day

[neon kindle]

Probably

[reef kindle]

I doubt that, but if if you do, more power to you, I'm glad I was able to help you a bit 🙂

[neon kindle]

But he could be like hagrid

Has his own house near hogwarts

[reef kindle]

Shrivelfigs can be bought for 3 or 30 galleons (not sure which) at any apothecary

[native cave]

im glad you here to help

[slow horizon]

The house shown in the scene looks way superior for that dusty old hut

[neon kindle]

Then he could be at a shop?

[slow horizon]

a shop with spoons hanging around ?

[reef kindle]

unlikely a shop owner would destroy bought goods

[slow horizon]

it's in a kitchen, and not the hogwarts kitchen

[past nacelle]

It might be Sallow's house.

[slow horizon]

^

It is the Sallow house

[past nacelle]

Could be he lives in Hosgmeade, hence the easy access to his house.

[neon kindle]

Could be ig

[reef kindle]

oh Miles, don't take it the wrong way, but you give me headaches 😄

[neon kindle]

But saying "it is" just doesnt make sense since it could or couldnt thats all im gonna say or could just be a new area we've never seen at hogwarts

[neon kindle]

I could say the same to you

[reef kindle]

sure you could 😛

[neon kindle]

Your so gassed just because someone agrees with you 😑

[past nacelle]

Well, when someone makes a logical arguement, it's hard not to agree. I'm very Vulcan, like that.

Sorry, wrong franchise. I meant I'm very Ravenclaw.

[reef kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/drax-the-destroyer-dave-bautista-metaphor-guardians-of-the-galaxy-over-my-head-gif-3613490

[neon kindle]

But people never realise that they could easily be wrong

But sure

🤷‍♂️

[past nacelle]

And a oop!

[reef kindle]

I think you'll find that I said some hours ago, that I will admit if I'm wrong, so far 4 people over several hours compiled several reasons for why we collectively think what we do, and you've done nothing but saying no to everything

I was about to challenge you on this, but I will not, I want to talk about something else... anything else 😄

[jovial fulcrum]

I disagree with this, very strongly

Especially since you're argueing with a ravenclaw lol

[neon kindle]

True

[neon kindle]

I dont remember u saying that

[reef kindle]

there, time stamp 20:22 BST

now it is 21:50

[neon kindle]

My bad then sorry for the argument

[past nacelle]

And that is a winning statement right there. xD

[reef kindle]

you see, that's how I get my migraines 😄

[jovial fulcrum]

hey im part ravenclaw, I have to stick up for us nerds ;p

[neon kindle]

Alright

[dire folio]

Im gonna start a fight. I think more than anything the inspiration for house elves came from humans best friends, dogs. Dobby is literally what golden retriever would be if it could talk and do magic

[celest pasture]

I'm gonna respectfully disagree.

[tacit jay]

I'm gonna respectfully agree

[sick oracle]

me too

[celest pasture]

I can see your point, but the dynamic is still different.

It's better than some other theories about them though 👀

[vivid owl]

That is a hella loaded topic and to discuss it in depth could cause some trouble

I see where you're coming from with the Dobby aspect, but beyond Dobby I'd disagree

[celest pasture]

Why would you disagree beyond Dobby? Because they are treated so awful by other wizards?

[vivid owl]

More how they act with others, it's less golden retriever like and more loyal servant

Honestly to some degree the Upstairs Downstairs comparison could be made, though House Elves can each individually cover a lot more tasks than the variety of servants that old rich families used to have.

There is something to be said about that avenue of loyal servants, and it could draw literary comparison to LOTR with Frodo and Samwise with the fact that their relationship is meant to be that of an officer and his batman. As during WW1 most officers were minor nobility and most of their batmen were already servants to their officers families before the war started, following them into service because that was simply what was done back then.

but then the whole treatment of house elves comes in to ruin that argument

as I said, getting too far into the topic causes issues but suffice to say house elves should be treated kindly and I'm sure the ones that we meet in the game will be great

though they'll likely try to keep us out of the kitchens by feeding us and then sending us packing

[dire folio]

the bad treatment of house elfs proves dog theory bc it makes no sense just like bad treatment of dogs dont 😇

[reef kindle]

not certain what you're getting at Fuzz, you draw on good examples with domiciled servants, where the system worked they were part of the family, in a weird sense more of the house or estate then the family, but they have their honour in the service rendered and were better paid then any other labourers, even clerks for the valet and above. Houselves were on the other hand, clearly a property and they tended to throw themselves into complete service, to the point they would not wear clothes unless they are expressly ordered to, nor they would clean them to signify the totality of loosing self in the service of the family...

it is a good topic though

[vivid owl]

Yeah I was trying to avoid that difference

I know about it but it's not a topic to discuss here as it's quite certainly one of the more contentious aspects of HP

[reef kindle]

so be it, but I say that, houselves invented Stockholm syndrome, and they are fabulously strong magical creatures

[past nacelle]

Dobby flinging Lucius down a set of stairs in the books compared to down a hallway in the movies, if I recall rightly. Slight differences, but you can still tell how strong they are if they want to be.

[reef kindle]

Augusta Longbottom, Neville's Gran, now she was an interesting character

[past nacelle]

Hm, I don't recall her showing up in any major degree aside from OotP with the St. Mungos scene and from what we've heard in passing about her.

[reef kindle]

she was the last one through Ariana's portrait to Hogwarts after news of the Death Eater Army outside the castle had spread. She was somewhat of an overpowered old-age-pensioner

the Death Eaters wanted to capture her and thus control Neville, who was leading a full rebellion against the Carrows. An Auror turned up to bring her in, Augusta put said Auror to St Mungos, and was on the run 😄

got to love the old lady 😄

[modern moth]

yea she was badass

[past nacelle]

Huh, I think that might've slipped my mind.

Then again, she'd be right up there with Professor McGonagall and Aberforth Dumbledore for overpowered old age wizards and witches that took part in the final battle.

Not sure how old Flitwick was but I imagine since he was also a former professional duellist, he'd be pretty on the strong side too. Mind you, it might a staple for Hogwarts professors to both be best of their craft and extremely powerful, if not obvious about it. I mean, in the event of an attack on the school - they'd all need to be capable enough to defend the students.

So it might be a hidden requirement to be a professor, or at least - long term professor.

[reef kindle]

Prof Slughorn was older than Flitwick, I think

it would only do to be in the hands of the most talented to bring up the new generation, don't you think?

[past nacelle]

Also true. Perhaps that's where the best of their generation and craft eventually end up, in the end.

I mean, I imagine after their chosen careers have winded down and they want to pass their knowledge on, Harry and Hermione would probably end up teaching at Hogwarts too. Can't see Ron doing it though, unless he wants to be the replacement janitor. Was that an unintentional burn? I think it was. xD

[reef kindle]

I always believed that Hogwarts was an assortment of the most eclectic collection of the brightest of witches and wizards, that Dumbledore was the norm, not the exception

still not convinced if plot armour or Harry won the war against Voldemort, to be honest, Hermione I agree about

[past nacelle]

However, Snape wasn't great as a teacher but at his craft? No doubt, he was one of the best.

[past nacelle]

Don't get me started. I still find it absolutely bloody stupid that his first instinct was to stun Voldemort and not kill the obviously bloody evil git in the final battle, like...are you malfunctioning, Potter?!

At least cast Sectumsempra, and go lethal if you're not willing to outright kill him. Eyeroll.

[reef kindle]

malfunctioning.. that cracked me up 😄

[past nacelle]

I think that's part of Harry's problem, his go-to was the stunner and not broadening his spell variety. That's why they knew which was the real Potter in the beginning of Book 7 during the Polyjuice bit. And that besides, it's a war. You don't wanna go soft with the kid gloves in a war for cryin' out loud.

Yeah, I get that killing might be sinking to the Death Eaters' level but injuring them? That's far more doable and it also keeps them down for the count because injuries aren't as easy as casting the counter-spell to Stupefy.

I dunno, maybe it's just me and that says alot about me that I'd rather go for the injury than stunning my opponents. I don't play nice, apparently. xD

[reef kindle]

it just showed that Harry was still a child and war is no place for children

I taught to myself a few times, what do we get if we stun someone in mid air? 🤔

[past nacelle]

That's a good question..I mean, he did stun an Imperuised Stan Shunpike at the start of book 7, would the broom have taken him down slowly or would he be catapulted off it and just dropping to his death? Because Harry really should've known better than to stun someone mid-flight then again, there's a reason he's not the brains of the trio.

Wow, I'm just firing burns left and right at Harry and Ron tonight...I'm usually not this keen to set them on fire. xD

[reef kindle]

keep them coming, it is not only a boggart that should be ridiculed 😄

[past nacelle]

Shall I try and go three for three on this trio? xD

[reef kindle]

nah, Hermione is untouchable 😄

quit while you're ahead 😄

[past nacelle]

xD

Actually, there's one fault with Hermione. She got with Ron. That should say enough. Oooh!

[reef kindle]

no, I can see your point, but there are no charms for taste

[past nacelle]

Eh, true.

Low-key though, I honestly thought the end-game pairing was gonna be Harry/Hermione. Especially since so many people kept saying she's alot like Lily, being the smartest witch of her generation. Then JK slowly ruined my shipping dreams. I cried, it's true...cried for Hermione's poor, poor sanity.

[reef kindle]

well, I never got how Harry ended up from Cho Chang to Ginny Weasley either

[past nacelle]

I do wonder sometimes if Ginny took her mother's story and the love potion on her dad a bit too serious and took it as a sign of I should do it too!

That's the only reason his head spun so fast towards Ginny, I can think of.

[reef kindle]

yeah, she sounds like a little poisoner, for sure

[merry ruin]

Didn’t Neville blow up the snatcher and made a boom boom joke

[past nacelle]

He might've, gods know I always thought Neville was low-key sarcastic at times when he thought people weren't looking. xD

[merry ruin]

I mean he most have a pretty high kill count

[covert pivot]

I thought they knew because of hedwig

[past nacelle]

Hedwig died in the fight once Harry was spotted, it was him doing a stunner that gave him away if I'm not mistaken.

[celest pasture]

No, he used Expelliarmus, which is his signature spell.

[covert pivot]

Ah, i was under the impression that hedwig took the curse that a death eater had sent Harry’s way, and hedwig is Harry’s owl so i figured that was it

That’s how it’s explained in the movie anyway, i haven’t read the book in a bit so im not sure how it plays out in there

[past nacelle]

Still a daft move to have for a signature spell. Grumbles. Should at least be throwing slightly lethal curses, I mean - people are trying to kill you. Don't be trying to disarm or stun them...I swear, Harry has a malfunction...

[covert pivot]

Well throwing harmful curses prob would’ve ruined the characters integrity, which I’m sure JKR wanted to keep

Like when Harry used crucio against bellatrix, or sectumsempra against malfoy. It was always seen in a bad light

[celest pasture]

Yeah I've reread the books recently and the amount of times harry is using the stunning spell is...annoying to say the least.

[past nacelle]

Shouldn't have thrown said character into an adult situation in a war, then...I dunno. I think it just says alot about me that I'd prefer to put my opponents down, if not permanently then at least injured them.

[covert pivot]

Yeah, the later books really cross the line if they were still labeled as childrens books

Realistically, yeah Harry should’ve used more lethal curses. But I’m sure JKR didn’t want readers to see Harry that way

[past nacelle]

Personally, I'd have preferred Harry to friggin' fight for his life properly. At least then it'd feel like he wasn't coasting on luck and friends/teammates.

Especially that foppish ending for Voldemort...Gods, no. Kill the guy, not stun/disarm him to death..That's just a pathetic ending, to me.

[covert pivot]

Yeah, as now we’re adults i would’ve liked to see that as well

[past nacelle]

My complaints about Harry's fighting style are only just below the damn daft end-game pairings of Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione.

[covert pivot]

I hope future wizarding world content recognizes that the majority of their fans are adults and will follow those realistic themes

[past nacelle]

It's why I'm hoping if they reboot the series as a TV show, it'll be nitty, gritty and realistically themed as a fantasy magical show can be. It was still pretty 'dark' having an 11 year old kill a grown wizard by burning him alive with protection magic so...it kinda hits the nail on the head.

[covert pivot]

I’m personally hoping for a mini series or something about the marauders. 7th year and into the first wizarding war where it is all gritty

[past nacelle]

At least with a tv show, they can do things longer and more in detail and in line with the books that you can't do with a movie, where you've got a select time and can't go super into detail.

[covert pivot]

Maybe more emphasis on disappearances and attacks, random killings and how the marauders are dealing with that. Might even up to the potter’s death

[past nacelle]

I think a Marauder mini-series would be cool, especially if it's going to be a lead up to a reboot of the HP series as a tv show, then it's just continuation!

[covert pivot]

Ahhh idk about a reboot

[celest pasture]

If there will be a series I hope it's not about the marauders tbh... The only special thing is the animagus stuff and the map, but that's kinda it.

[covert pivot]

And the relationship between them all

[celest pasture]

And a reboot is very unlikely I think.

[merry ruin]

and he and his friend would've died without neville

[celest pasture]

Only in the movie.

[neon kindle]

When was this

[past nacelle]

In the final battle at Hogwarts, when they finally fought each other at the climax of it all. Clearly, Potter's malfunctioning from coming back from the dead because his brain goes 'Oh, let's disarm/stun the guy who just killed me.' Yeah, real bloody smart....

[neon kindle]

Oh lol

[past nacelle]

It can be excused in 4th year, due to his limited spell list and because of the brother wand effect saving his arse but at 7th year, at the end of it all - he really should've known far more spells and his first instinct shouldn't have been expelliarmus and/or stupefy on Voldemort. Can't quite tell which it's supposed to be due to both spells being red in effect.

It literally drives me up the wall, that does.

Clearly, you can probably tell that because I went into rant mode. xD

[fresh flare]

I think the reason for using expelliarmus in the final fight was because Harry knew the wand was rightfully his so it might have doubled the power of the spell because the wand wanted to go to it’s true owner

[past nacelle]

Might not be conscious decision then and an unconscious reflex, seeking the wand on his part because part of him knows it belongs to him. That sounds better than him being an idiot and using something non-lethal on the one guy he knows deserves to get hit by a lethal spell.

[fresh flare]

It could have also been because in the graveyard Harry was teased for using that spell so he wanted to humiliate Voldemort more by defeating him with it

[past nacelle]

Eh, I doubt Harry thought about that. I just think he's malfunctioning. I mean, he came back from the dead not too long before and immediately going back into fighting isn't gonna be good for him.

[vivid owl]

I mean having your opening salvo be a disarming spell isn't the worst idea actually.

If it lands then congrats your opponent now can't fight back.

If it doesn't, well you're likely already moving and casting a follow up and your spell forced them to move, hopefully putting them at a disadvantage.

Simple but effective, it is a solid opening spell.

[past nacelle]

But it's also predictable, as said that Harry was becoming known for it.

[vivid owl]

So something I'm looking at is the wand movement for casting

and it seems like you could open with Flipendo then move into an Expelliarmus

[fresh flare]

I didn’t like the wand movement in order of the phoenix game on ps3

[vivid owl]

There are probably many other options, but I'm bothered with going through the supposed wand movements of all the defence spells just to see what feeds well into what

I say that, I'm probably going to do it in any case when I get some wooden dowels and carve them into wands (gonna get multiple cos I've only tried it once before and it was so-so before a fault in the wood snapped it)

[drifting solar]

i wish there was a wand to come with the controller some how

[vivid owl]

could use an old PS3 motion wand

I forget what they are actually called

but they were quite sensitive

if you've ever played Johann Sebastian Joust then you'll know what I mean

[drifting solar]

ive never played any video game so

[vivid owl]

Well that's a shame and a half

Okay so got distracted and forgot my original goal in entering this chat but valid question, why does being a Parselmouth have to be an inherited trait?

I don't think it's ever said how Herpo the Foul got the trait, nor how Slytherin did

[drifting solar]

is being an animagus an inherited trait?

[vivid owl]

With Herpo he's described as being the first Parselmouth, but that couldn't work if it's an inheritable trait. Meaning it had to have been a random mutation that gave him it.

Or some other way

also no being an animagus is something one trains to do

[past nacelle]

There might be a higher chance you can actually pull it off, if your family has had one because I think it counts as a magical gift, in some regards.

[vivid owl]

potentially I guess

[drifting solar]

so the first parselmouth was a mutant and then it was congenital

[reef kindle]

if I remember correctly, good old Herpo was quite odd, he experimented with toads and chicken-eggs , that gave us the basilisk, king of serpents. So I could see that being impacted on him as a blood-trait (again with the sanguine manipulations)

[vivid owl]

So basically he might have given himself a strange form of blood malediction which allowed him to talk to snakes

what I don't get is that then passing down to others

the man was a noted recluse

as in sure he was a dark lord, but he practically never interacted with anyone

I doubt he had children

[reef kindle]

yes, there is a theory that states that Herpo and Slytherin might have gotten the same trait independently of each other

[vivid owl]

oh but perhaps he may have experimented on people, as in a "So I managed to make it so I can talk to snakes, I wonder if I can make it so other people can as well?"

[reef kindle]

also, there are great snakes in Latin America too, not quite basilisk, but rather intelligent

[vivid owl]

There's also common thought of parseltongue and parselmouths being way more common in South East Asia

[reef kindle]

that is a point, after all he made the first Horcrux, in a way he could still be alive, all we know

if he is, he must be hiding in Albania, all roads seem to lead there in Harry Potter 😄

[past nacelle]

If you're talking about the giant flying Mayan god-snake Kukulkan - Serpent of the Nine Winds, I doubt any Parselmouth would be willing to get near that thing.

[vivid owl]

I'm sure Harry would, just cos he'd be like "Eh what's the worst that could happen?"

[reef kindle]

no, I talk about the 3 headed serpents that seem often bite their own heads off, because they inhabit 3 different personas, and the left head is constantly annoying the other two

[past nacelle]

Harry's the exception - he's dumb, at times. He would utter that cursed phrase.

Also, just imagine Jormungandr was real in wizarding lore... That's one big ass serpent, man!

[vivid owl]

lol

[reef kindle]

yeah, that would be awesome, the World Serpent alive

[vivid owl]

again I'm sure Harry would end up talking to it and then turning round to Ron and Hermione just being like "It's friendly, just a bit grumpy."

[reef kindle]

probably would be right about that 😄

[vivid owl]

Whilst he's not an idiot, he often doesn't look before he leaps

[reef kindle]

that may be a definition of an idiot 😄

[past nacelle]

Okay, I'll retract my idiot statement. He's just your typical bloody Gryffindor.

[vivid owl]

But yeah, the whole parselmouth thing just made me question "What are the origins of bloodline traits?"

Like how did they get started?

[past nacelle]

Not so cool if he ends up running into Medusa..She's notorious for offing people who come into her lair, dead or turned to stone..what's the difference? xD

[reef kindle]

my problem with this uber elite trait is that half the school is related to Slytherin, including faculty, so why only Tom and Harry can speak it?

[past nacelle]

In before Lily's family tree had a Slytherin background bringing it to the fore.

[vivid owl]

Surely it's possible for a Muggle-born to be born with a brand new trait, like say the ability to talk to cats or something, which would be a bit odd, just "mew, mew mew meow,"

And if not then why not? The bloodline traits had to get started somehow.

[drifting solar]

what if it was a little more common before tom riddle was a known one, and now no one endorses having the skill when they actually do

[past nacelle]

Also point...Tom made the ability stupidly feared.

[reef kindle]

if I could speak to snakes I would not advertise it, but would endorse it, it would signal something to the Sangueist hordes

[drifting solar]

i feel like dumbledore when he met tom was shocked and disturbed by his ability though, but that's from movie memory idk if it's book canon

[past nacelle]

Another downside being raised by muggles and having zero knowledge of the world he's going into - he wouldn't have known not to advertise or acknowledge the ability in public.

[vivid owl]

My theory is that for most it's too low level for them to be able to use it. But Riddle as a direct descendant through the Gaunts who turned to inbreeding to keep the trait (to the point Morfin Gaunt could barely speak in English as he spoke in snake that much) would have had it fully naturally.

So when Riddle turned Harry into an accidental Horcrux, it basically awakened the dormant gene for Parseltongue within Harry from the ancestors of his that had it. So therefore Harry got it.

Not sure if it'd then pass on to the next generation from Harry though.

[reef kindle]

I presume Dumbledore knew about the Gaunts, so a shock is a but overplayed by the film

[vivid owl]

I mean he didn't know that Tom was Merope's kid at first

[drifting solar]

me needing to read up on gaunt lore

[vivid owl]

he only found that out after a couple of years as Tom started acting really shady

[past nacelle]

Think we'll run into any Gaunts in HL? Bearing in mind, this a bit before the one's we know...

[vivid owl]

Well according to the books, they hadn't attended Hogwarts in 300 years, and that was back in the 1920s

so I doubt it

[past nacelle]

As if Tom wasn't already a giant red flag from the meeting at the orphanage.

[vivid owl]

yeah Tom wasn't great, but then Dumbledore set his cupboard of trophies on fire

[past nacelle]

I think Dumbledore was still reeling from Grindelwald and possibly thought he was preventing the rise of another...except, he really screwed that one up.

[vivid owl]

you don't take a kid who obviously has no one and therefore has acted out and stolen stuff from people and therefore treasures that stuff, and then set said stuff on fire.

[reef kindle]

seems like Dumbledore and Palpatine were playing from the same book 😄

[vivid owl]

how, it was 1938 at the time

Grindelwald wasn't yet in all out open war, just murdering some people from time to time

[past nacelle]

True but you gotta remember, Dumbledore was somewhat of a man stuck in the past.

[vivid owl]

and Dumbles meets an abused orphan with no support system, and chooses to introduce him to magic by setting his stuff on fire

man really wasn't good

[past nacelle]

Eh, I just call it Dumbledore being an idiot for the sake of plot.

[reef kindle]

in the meantime, corporal punishment in a boarding school being an everyday occurrence

[vivid owl]

Honestly if he'd actually arranged for Tom to get out of the orphanage and into a home that'd at least give a crap about him, then it would have helped immensely

[past nacelle]

Honestly, I'd think that'd fall onto the headmaster of the time which wasn't Dumbledore.

[vivid owl]

True Dippet wasn't any better

[past nacelle]

Dippet struck me as...kind of like Fudge. Wanting to do the bare minimum but get all the credit.

[vivid owl]

amazingly a step down from Black

[reef kindle]

Fudge just wanted the ceremony and the kowtowing received as befitted his status, none of the work though

[past nacelle]

Wonder if that's why Umbridge was evil as she was? She was overworked from doing all of Fudge's work when he should've been doing it himself. xD

[reef kindle]

I wonder, since Black's portrait was rather sucking up to Snape, when he was Headmaster

[reef kindle]

the Umbridge family is another red flag of the enormous kind

her brother was a squib, her father abusive...

[vivid owl]

Black's portrait may not have liked Dumbledore, but even then he said he was better than Dippet

her father was a janitor wasn't he?

[reef kindle]

Orford Umbridge was the father of Dolores Umbridge and a squib son. An unambitious wizard who worked at the Ministry of Magic as a floor mopper, Orford later became a source of embarrassment for his daughter and would later disappear from sight at his daughter's request in exchange for a small financial allowance

[past nacelle]

Why the hell did Black choose Dippet as his successor, then? Was it a limited pool for who wanted the position or...?

[reef kindle]

that's what the wiki says

[vivid owl]

I don't know if he chose him or not.

It's unclear how the headmasters are chosen

[past nacelle]

Inbefore the fan theory of 'Hogwarts chooses.'

[vivid owl]

if it's by the board of governers or by the previous head

[reef kindle]

Board of Governors choose the Headmaster, not the previous one

[vivid owl]

and well Hogwarts kind of does choose

if the board chooses someone and the headmasters office refuses to open for them, then it means that they can't be headmaster

[reef kindle]

well, the Ministry can influence the choice, as was the case with Snape

[vivid owl]

and Umbridge

though again the office didn't open for her

[past nacelle]

Perhaps Hogwarts saw Snape's true heart/intentions.

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef kindle]

because Dumbledore was still headmaster, taking a sabbatical 😄

[past nacelle]

Must've been nice for Dumbledore, getting to do some field work again after being stuck behind a desk for so long when he got ousted. xD

[reef kindle]

Umbridge was a usurper, Snape was elevated to a vacand position

[vivid owl]

He did apparently teach the alchemy course for NEWT level if there was enough interest

[reef kindle]

I wonder where he went, I mean, knocked out Shacklebolt, Fudge, Umbridge and Dawson (or similar) and just disappeared, to reappear at the crucial time in the Ministry

also, the password was Sherbet Lemon... I like the infantilism in Harry Potter 😄

[vivid owl]

the password changed every year to his new favourite sweet

[reef kindle]

I wonder if the Headmaster had to tell the passwords to enter the common rooms

[vivid owl]

Yeah, it was given out to the prefects at their meeting onboard the train

so the prefects know how to get in ahead of time, and then as they walk back to their compartments, they tell members of their house when they can

unless you're Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff as their doors don't work like that

[reef kindle]

yeah, that Hufflepuff door is a pain 😄

[south harbor]

We have the best door 😌

[reef kindle]

I swear to God, you lot are like the Scotsman at the tobacconist in England, when I only have Scottish notes on me. Always one appears, and with the thickest accent: Aye, 'tis a legal tender!

[vivid owl]

As the saying goes "They're like busses, never one when you want one but the moment you don't, ten turn up."

[reef kindle]

never have I heard the term before in me life 'legal tender', then I moved to Scotland 😄

anyway, the Headperson's Office is yet another strange place in Hogwarts

I hope we will be able to enter there

[reef kindle]

Professor Horace Eugene Flaccus Slughorn (b. 28 April, between 1882 and 1913) - big help! so, he is either a year younger than Dumbledore or 30 years younger... honestly woman, make your mind up!

[past nacelle]

I'm of the assumption he's a year younger than Dumbledore, due to them both seeming more like old friends than just coworkers.

[reef kindle]

sure, but the discrepancy drives me mad

[past nacelle]

How many of those discrepancies is there in the series? I never actually bothered to check. xD

[reef kindle]

Slughorn used Felix Felicis either 1907 or 1927; once when he was twenty-four years old - so which is it? 1907 being pre-WW1 and 1927 post Great War

tonnes, actually

[past nacelle]

I'm thinking pre-WW1 because I'd assume 24 year old Slughorn is just as daft as any of us at that age and thinking he needs it. xD

[vivid owl]

He very much could be either and he was already a senior professor come Riddles time in the late 30s/early to mid 40s

[reef kindle]

we have more accurate dates left to us from the ancient Egyptians... From Djoser's reign even

[past nacelle]

I'm pretty sure GRRM's timeline isn't quite as discrepancy filled as JKR's.

[vivid owl]

He definitely wasn't born in 1913, that's too late, as it'd barely give him enough time to get his mastery before coming back to teach at Hogwarts

and well the difference there is obvious, GRRM wanted to build a world, JKR wanted to tell a single story that once published proved far more popular than originally thought and suddenly had to build a world

[past nacelle]

Oh, gods that's just had me thinking... Imagine the wizarding world done by GRRM. There's be alot more horror and alot more dying!

[reef kindle]

and a lot more sex...

[past nacelle]

Hahaha, true.

And it'd be alot darker than it currently is and has been hinted at. Yikes.

[vivid owl]

But at least there'd be accuracy

[reef kindle]

not really a compliment, if that is the only way you can sell a book, by describing torrid affairs, then literature truly is in its last leg

[vivid owl]

I still swear that Rowling simply forgot about Daphne Greengrass and so when she wrote that Draco was married to Astoria, it was the editor who picked up on it and went "Oh that Greengrass girl has a younger sister then?"

Honestly GRRM's work doesn't because of the lewdness, that's barely even a minor part, but that's getting into #📖books

[reef kindle]

I read his novels up until the Greyjoy's Richard got severed, from there on I don't need to know

[past nacelle]

Yeah, it's like 'All your bad guys die and your good guys survive, we can tell what's gonna happen by page and age 5!' type of thing with JKR's books while for all the crazy bad things and the lewdness in GRRM's stuff, at least kept you on your toes.

And if you get that reference I threw in there, you get a cookie.

[reef kindle]

no great surprise though, if you knew about the War of the Roses

[vivid owl]

You know what'd be interesting, to write how the War of the Roses went in the HP universe

it'd still be a mess and follow the same major beats as the real one

[reef kindle]

yes, you've said that before, I concur, I'd like to examine that more closely

[vivid owl]

but imagine wizards and witches just off to one side battling it out like "The House of York are the true kings of England"

and the others going "Nay it is the House of Lancaster that shall wear the crown"

There's two types of dragon native to Britain, did some crackpot wizard decide to see if he could train a dragon to fight for one side or the other?

[past nacelle]

And then you've got some wanting to stay out of it and going "Why am I here? What am I doing? I just wanted to eat some bacon.." That's a Weasley, right there.

[reef kindle]

the White Queen was said to have descended from a powerful sorceress or soothsayer... That was the rumour of her time, at least

[vivid owl]

the 1400s saw the end of the Hundred Years War (which lasted 114 years) and the fall of the Plantagenet dynasty (kind of as both York and Lancaster were descended from them, as were the Tudors), for Britain is was a fairly major century politically.

especially considering the War of the Roses lasted around a 50 year period

[reef kindle]

indeed, and borne many a legend

[vivid owl]

lots of stabby both in the back and in battle

[past nacelle]

I do wonder if GRRM took inspiration for War of the Five Kings from War of the Roses, in some regards.

It sounds like it, just from how you're describing it.

[vivid owl]

yeah that was his main inspiration

the War of the Roses is literally the two main power houses in Britain who were all cousins btw, wanting to be top dog and fighting each other to be king

it was a mess and the amount of cousins killing uncles, who slew brothers-in-law, was insane

the family tree of everyone involved is an absolute mess

I've gone over them several times and it still confuses me

[reef kindle]

most exciting period for students of history, I thought

[vivid owl]

I'll agree, but damn is it complicated

Blame it all on Warwick

all the Kingmakers fault

despite the fact he didn't live to see the last decade and a half of the war

[past nacelle]

I don't think any Kingmaker could've foreseen that mess coming.

[reef kindle]

the Kingmaker believed his own propaganda, before he lost his head

[past nacelle]

Ah, executed? Seems typical of the time period.

Mind you, when you go back through England's history - it's a fair bit bloody and more than a fair bit messy.

Same can be said for any country, really but some have it far worse than others.

[vivid owl]

Mmhmm

France became quite fond of revolutions for example

[past nacelle]

Elizabeth Bathory comes to mind as one of those bloodier times in the world, same with Vlad the Impaler.

Which makes me wonder in Wizarding World lore, would Bathory have been a witch? If I know my history, she was already pretty much denounced as one.

[vivid owl]

which oh speaking of, someone pointed out a French magical duke who survived the French Revolution (the 1790s one) and that got me thinking, most dukes are related to the royal family of their country, and well if the French magicals kept their nobility, then perhaps this duke could have claimed the French throne, but due to the Statute of Secrecy the muggles don't know about it so the two side split and the magical side still has a monarch whilst the muggle side goes through Napoleon and then 2 more revolutions before becoming the modern republic we know it as.

and maybe

Bathory is a interestingly horrid person even if she didn't kill the 300 people she's purported to have done.

[past nacelle]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure some magical side of some countries kept their monarchy even when the muggles didn't.

[vivid owl]

it'd make sense, the magical side is well known to hold on to traditions much more than the muggle side

[past nacelle]

It'd also make me question if some of Europe's magical side still had their monarchies, why the ever loving hell didn't they help out against Voldemort? Or were they just content to think it's a British matter, even if he would've (and I believe he tried, in some aspects) spreading to Europe eventually. I mean, the man was bent on world domination.

[vivid owl]

like I bet part of the reason why magical Britain is so united is due to the fact that before the Angles and Saxons and Jutes came to Britain in the 400-500s, the people were known as Britons and spoke Common Brythonic up and down the entire island, they saw themselves as a connected British peoples.

So when in 1707 with the Union of the Crowns, Great Britain was formed, the magical side probably thought the muggles were finally starting to catch up to them.

[vivid owl]

He definitely spread to Europe, so honestly I never knew why other countries didn't get involved.

Heck the Germans should have been outraged as Moldyshorts attacked Nurmengard Castle where Grindelwald was being held so that he could ask him about the Elder Wand before killing him.

Whilst it is unknown if this resulted in the deaths of the guards, I really wouldn't have been surprised

[past nacelle]

Yeah, Voldemort wasn't exactly trying to keep a low profile towards the end of the Second Blood War.

[vivid owl]

At minimum it should have been a political incident, at worst it could have been the start of a war

[past nacelle]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he also caused some havoc on the European lands during his first rise in the First Blood War so they'd know his name but likely wouldn't share the same fear the Brits do of him so...

[vivid owl]

yeah

[past nacelle]

Perhaps in the background, certain alliances were getting ready to be made and put into action but didn't come to fruition due to Voldemort supposedly dying after trying to off the Potters, with 2 out of the 3 dead.

[vivid owl]

and surely the French must be like "Okay so there's a nutter going around murdering people just some 20 miles across the channel, even a person who can barely apparate can cover that distance in a single hop, so perhaps we ought to do something about it?"

[past nacelle]

The French probably wouldn't have gotten involved unless, like you said - their Monarch gave them the go ahead because, I can't see that being approved otherwise.

[vivid owl]

You know what gets me, so when they were making Fantastic Beasts, they released some background info for the magical US, and ooh boy was it interesting when they said "When MACUSA started, they had 12 Aurors recruited from around the world to start their Auror department, one of them was Abraham Potter who would later settle down and start a family in America"

[past nacelle]

I always thought perhaps Fleur was posted in the British branch of Gringotts at the behest of the French, in some ways so they've got an ear in the Isles telling them what's going on but I don't think perhaps, she anticipated falling for Bill Weasley so perhaps it became a love vs duty thing or however you'd see that argument going.

[vivid owl]

and I'm like "There's American Potters? What happened to them? Is that branch of the family still extant or are they gone?"

[past nacelle]

Not gonna lie, I'd see Voldemort and the Death Eaters wiping out the majority of the Potters, meaning some Death Eaters probably hopped over the pond to USA to try and kill the US Potters because they think the Boy-Who-Lived might've gone to live with magical relatives.

[vivid owl]

And yeah that's an interesting idea. Especially as with her Veela allure she could get info out of people easily. Then she meets Bill whom her allure has no effect on and she's interested cos he basically just blanks her, so she gets serious and then they are dating and she realises she likes this dude and oh this is gonna cause some issues in her reports back to France.

[vivid owl]

See now if that's true, then that's another incident with MACUSA, cos a British witch or wizard would have gone over there and tried to murder the US Potters cos the "Boy-Who-Lived" might be living with them.

[past nacelle]

Nobody ever claimed Death Eaters were smart, y'know?

[vivid owl]

true

[past nacelle]

Honestly, Harry going to live across the pond with his magical relatives might've not been the worst idea...although, that probably means he wouldn't be attending Hogwarts because Illvermony would've gotten to him.

Although, that makes me think..with as famous as Harry was, he should've been getting bombed with letters from fans and well wishers etc all the time unless...Dumbledore put up a mail ward meaning if any serious letters needed to get through, like say...if he's world famous as they say - letters of offers from the French school along with Durmstrang and Illvermony should've happened.

I'd think school offers would count as serious matters so that might be illegal mail tampering by Dumbledore and the other schools might think he's snubbed them for Hogwarts.

[vivid owl]

Oh definitely

It would also have blocked letters from Gringotts that would basically be the monthly or quarterly reports on his accounts (though it is still unknown if Gringotts accounts accrue interest), and potentially missives from the Ministry

[slow horizon]

It works, he was ancestor to Salazar.

JK Rowling is communicating a great lot of information about her characters and spells through their names (and incantations respectively), and furthermore she often uses to use the Latin and Greek language to do so. So Herpo the Foul in greek is Έρπων ο Δεινός/ο Φαύλος . Τhe name Herpo/Έρπω doesnt exist in Greek and more than that, it has a verb's form. BUT that changes when sm takes into consideration the fact that Greek names with the suffix -ων/on in Greek, get transfered in English with an -o suffix. So we guaranteed that this Ancient Greek wizard's name in Greek was intended by JK Rowling to be Έρπων/Herpon. The word Έρπων/Herpon is the energetic form of the participle of the verb έρπω/herpo . Τhe verb έρπω translates in English as slither. The Ερπων/Herpon active participle if analyzed into a secondary sentence in Greek, goes as "ούτος ός έρπει/outos os herpee". This in English translates into "he who is slithering"!!!! Now, if you take into consideration that when you pronounce the words ending in -ing you use to cut the g sound we end up with "he who is slitherin' ". The y letter has a deeper longer eee sound so it would be more suitable for this character's name instead of the i letter, and there you have it: Slytherin. Herpo the Foul or his descendants, somewhere between his time before Christ and the 10th century AD that Salazar Slytherin lived, must have moved to the British isles and changed the name into its English version. And before you say that this is far fetched, i remind you that JK Rowling said that the exact same thing happened with the Olivanders who came from Ancient Greece around the 350's BC and just changed their name to Olivanders from the olive trees related Greek name of theirs.

[vivid owl]

on the other hand it probably also blocked a load of betrothal contracts and the like.

[past nacelle]

Makes me wonder if Dumbledore forgot about the ward or if it was intentional to keep Harry's knowledge lacking.

[vivid owl]

I'd say you probably put more effort into figuring that out than Rowling put into writing it.

Though on the note of the Ollivanders, whilst the name meaning "He who owns the olive wand" would mean that they originated from a Mediterranean country, Ollivander himself believes his ancestors came to Britain with the Romans.

Which wouldn't work cos the Romans whilst they first visited Britain around 50BCE, wouldn't come back to Britain for almost 80 years in around 40CE.

So who knows.

Perhaps his family could have been Trojan.

The city of Exeter has an ancient myth about its original kings being descended from Trojans who after their city fell came to Britain, there they built Exeter and rule as kings.

When the city was threatened by giants they went sallied out and slew the king of the giants Gromaggog.

I have that written down somewhere as when I was in college one of my assignments was to create an idea for a game based off of myth.

I knew everyone else was picking the famous stuff, so I searched for a more interesting British myth and found that.

[past nacelle]

Huh, interesting.

[vivid owl]

indeed

Though speaking of Ollivanders, we know that the Ollivanders in Hogsmede is run by a cousin branch to the one down in Diagon Alley

This may be why the Ollivanders are in the Pure-Blood Directory as the Hogsmede branch may still be pure-bloods despite Garrick who was born in 1908 and therefore before the directory was published being a half-blood due to his muggle-born mother

[past nacelle]

I think Garrick end up being one of the last, or perhaps the only Ollivander left by the time of Harry's era. Quite a few things must've happened to shorten a family that that well established into one man running a wand shop in Diagon Alley.

[vivid owl]

he had a son and daughter

the son is known to still be alive with a family of his own

[slow mauve]

Ehhh with him you never know, but i doubt he would forgot about something like that. More like he went with what he considered to be greater good

[past nacelle]

See, I never like the Greater Good phrase. Greater Good for who? Yourself or the people? It's a very tricky slope to go down when you start making the 'greater good' as an excuse.

[slow mauve]

Yeeeep

Agree with you there 100% my feathery friend

Dumbledore was never malicious so i his case i would ascribe it being for the people but still its damgerous

[vivid owl]

Dumbles could basically be a Vulcan if he wished with the whole "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

[past nacelle]

Yeah, I'd never call Dumbledore malicious. Perhaps, he just sees the bigger picture so much he forgets that it's made up of little pictures and said little pictures have feelings, motivations and ambitions of their own. He's not quite a puppet master nor some grand chessmaster but I think he was so focused on the end-game, he forgot what was like to be going through those things, considering his long life and how much he'd been Headmaster and his other positions for so long probably were taking a bit of a toll on him.

[vivid owl]

The problem with Dumbles is he believes there is only one path forward, that being Harry needing to die for Moldyshorts to die

so he sets Harry's entire life up so that Harry will willingly walk to that death

which goes pretty much as planned

but so many things could have gone wrong before it ever got to that point that it's a miracle that Dumbles plan actually worked out

[past nacelle]

Did he never consider that the Goblins could've had a solution too? Especially considering that I'd think they've encountered Horcruxes and their ilk with their cursebreaking sect, and you never know how fond of trying to achieve immortality the wizards/witches of places like Ancient Egypt were and such so...

[vivid owl]

Probably they could have, but nope he doesn't think that they could

as far as Dumbledore is concerned, he knows best

[past nacelle]

I think he got to a point where he started believing in his own hype so much he forgot that he's not all seeing nor all knowing.

[vivid owl]

think how much information he keeps from his own side which later comes back to bite them and gets someone killed

[past nacelle]

Yeah, Voldemort and his cult were doing just as much killing as Dumbledore's inaction and secrets were.

[vivid owl]

hell he barely even explains the idea of horcuxes and then sends Harry off to go get them with barely any information on what they could be or where to look

Harry and Hermione get really damned lucky

[slow horizon]

He let Sirius rot in Azkaban when he knew he was innocent, depriving Harry from a family and tossing him to the cruelty of the Dursleys.

Muh greater good

dumbledore was no better than grindelwald

[past nacelle]

And basically tells Harry that it can only be Harry, Ron and Hermione who can know about Horcruxes...Think about how much easier it might've been having told a renowned cursebreaker and established wizard who deals with crap similar to Horcruxes for a living and is related to Ron and marrying a pretty French Veela...That ringing a bell yet, fella?

[slow horizon]

He was definitely malicious

And not only malicious, but utterly incompetent as headmaster too

[vivid owl]

Dumbles was the one to make that saying, then Grindelwald went on to use it as a rallying cry.

[past nacelle]

I notice you're not giving credit to Ron there..Mind you, he did walk out on them and basically left them to deal with it on their own. Gods know how many things could've gone wrong (and did go wrong) when it was just those two trying to do it.

[subtle olive]

Well no because Albus knew Tom to a science. And so long as Tom was going to abide by the prophecy, then Harry would always win because of the laws of Ancient Magic. Had Tom NOT chosen to abide by the prophecy, the whole thing would've fallen apart. Dumbledore even explained this to Harry in HPB because Divination is a branch of magic that only works because the fortunes it tells of are often if not always self-fulfilling. So really, Tom's fault.

[past nacelle]

So Harry could ran from Britain and come back years later, learned and knowing far more than anybody else but it still would've been down to him and Tom because of Tom's damn self-fulfilling prophecy tendency.

[vivid owl]

Yes and no.

Sure Tom is a major believer in prophecy but at the same time, Dumbledores actions led to the start of the Second Blood War and open warfare which very easily could have killed Harry before Tom did.

I say "Dumbledores actions" but it's more of his inaction.

[past nacelle]

I think Dumbledore was banking on the end-game being worth all the inaction and death and counting on Harry fulfilling the prophecy.

[subtle olive]

And the odds of them being targets to be Imperiused? Or poisoned with Veritaserum? And how many of them would talk him out of it or be prone to any or all the mistakes the Trio would and thus tip off Tom that much earlier? Therein lied the problem. Compartmentalization. Nobody can tip off anybody because not everybody would know what was happening until the moment was right.

[slow horizon]

Which is further proof that Dumbledore was an utterly depraved, malicious wicked and evil man from the get go.

Snape did the world a service by killing him

[worthy path]

What happens in this game?

[vivid owl]

We've no idea yet

as it's not out and we've not got to see the story

[past nacelle]

Chances are it involves ancient magic and Merlin or Morgana/Morgan Le Fay in some way or another.

Along with the Goblin rebellion.

[subtle olive]

Could have but ultimately didn't because of Ancient Magic. So long as the war itself was specifically connected to Voldemort, then Harry would always be protected by that big ol' plot armor. Tho that didn't necessarily extend to his friends or his possessions

[vivid owl]

we have some idea of the lead up, of the goblin rebellion and the dark wizards and the like but otherwise we're still scarce on detail

[worthy path]

That would be cool! Can’t wait until summer or winter

[vivid owl]

and that's a very flimsy reasoning as to why Harry didn't catch a stray curse meant for someone else.

Hell he almost dived after Sirius through the Veil of Death

[past nacelle]

Yeah, Harry never really got majorly injured. It was always his friends and other people. Any injury to him was always dealt by Voldemort.

[vivid owl]

what would Dumbles have done then if Harry had accidentally offed himself?

[subtle olive]

I would hate that... Being descended from Merlin or Morgan le Fay. It'd be like if Harry was descended from Gryffindor himself to combat Heir of Slytherin.

[slow horizon]

Even Harry's friends have plot armour

[worthy path]

Is “The Cursed Child” Harry Potter Movie in development?

[past nacelle]

No. Please no. I would hate for that to become a movie.

[slow horizon]

cursed child is a fanfic

[vivid owl]

Not that we know of.

[worthy path]

Oh…thought it was official

[vivid owl]

Don't insult fan fic like that.

[past nacelle]

I'm backing this one up.

[worthy path]

But the cursed child is pretty good

[vivid owl]

The stage show has fantastic effects, but the story is lacking despite the really interesting premise

[subtle olive]

We do not recognize this Cursed Child. Is that on Fanfiction.net or something?

[subtle olive]

Can we honestly say tho Voldy would pitch a tent and take Bellatrix to pound town tho? 🙄

[past nacelle]

I think Voldemort would sacrifice his reproductive organs if it made him stronger, he probably did because the bloody sociopath would have no use, need or want to have sex or reproduce.

[worthy path]

When will the game come out?

[vivid owl]

haha, lol no.

[vivid owl]

Come December

[vivid owl]

Though Bellatrix is likely to use magic to gather his DNA to make a baby with.

[worthy path]

Hopefully my peers would get me this game for X-mas, I’m too lazy and broke to buy it

[past nacelle]

Yeah, she's that type of crazy.

[vivid owl]

Though actually cos he is using a homunculus body created via a ritual, the body also has some of Wormtail and Harry's DNA in it.

which is a horrid thought

[worthy path]

Damm, she is an maniac

[vivid owl]

so Delphini is actually Delphini Riddle Pettigrew Potter

lol

[subtle olive]

HP Theory holds the belief she whipped him a love potion the night he busted her out of Azkaban she had stashed away. Which would be fitting since he himself was conceived via love potion.

I on the other hand don't buy it and here's why:

While sex CAN be a power move to be used on someone to make them submissive or w/e, the idea that Tom would think to use it as such seems unlikely...

[past nacelle]

I'd just like to not acknowledge Cursed Child at all. It's in the title 'cursed', it what it is.

[worthy path]

If this game flop, I’m burning my Gryffindor scarf

[past nacelle]

Nah, it likely won't flop, especially since it's the one Wizarding game we've been waiting for the past 20 some years.

[worthy path]

That’s why I’m not that scared of losing my scarf

[vivid owl]

Egads yeah no horizontal tango happened between them, it was just a spell used to take DNA and then fertilise an egg.

[past nacelle]

Personally, I don't see it happening really.

[subtle olive]

That kind of thing seems out of her field of magic tbh. She was more a fighter than an alchemist

[past nacelle]

I'm just thinking of Cursed Child as a fanfic that somehow got into the wider world by sheer fluke.

[vivid owl]

how is it alchemy?

and she might not have cast the spell

Narcissa may have

[past nacelle]

Narcissa was intelligent enough but probably wouldn't have. She'd realized that no good would come from it because Bella be crazy and two, Voldemort would likely murder them both if he found out especially given the circumstances of his own birth.

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy path]

What’s the best death eater in your opinions?

[vivid owl]

Sorry we've gone well off topic here Professor

[high creek]

I may have to ask you all to point this channel back towards the game now.

[subtle olive]

We're talking about changing something into the dude's love juice (gosh these censors are insane here) that's definitely alchemy involved. And Narcissa doesn't seem the type and likely wouldn't either cause she had enough sense to see that was horrifying

[past nacelle]

A dead one.

[worthy path]

💀

[high creek]

I let it run for half an hour, I'm not a complete monster.

[vivid owl]

danke

[worthy path]

Sorry Proffeser

[vivid owl]

honestly I'd thought it'd go back to game era lore when Paul here came in and started asking questions

[subtle olive]

Ok so on topic here. How much do you think we'd be able to break the Potter lore if we go overly evil? Or even as good guys

[vivid owl]

I don't think it'd be too much as I'm sure the game will have limits on how far we can go off the deep end

[past nacelle]

I don't think we'd be breaking Potter lore for two reason. One, we're living an Unwritten tale, and there's a reason it'd be tagged as 'unwritten' and two - something happens that is big but much like in FB, it's probably forgotten by the majority.

[subtle olive]

We saw in game we can kill people later on. That's gonna be a thing ppl will wanna whip out

[vivid owl]

so I highly doubt we're going to be able to send the population of Hogsmede to the afterlife in 1890

[past nacelle]

I don't think the killing curse will be a spell to fire about willy nilly.

[slow horizon]

game era lore random thought:

Diffindo is a spell which cuts
You can go evil in the game
Game takes place 1890
Gringotts is confirmed so at least some parts of London confirmed

jack the ripper meets 'ary pottah

[vivid owl]

wow, that's grim

[past nacelle]

Perhaps for certain circumstances like cutscenes or moments where it's a consequence of your honor/karma.

[subtle olive]

I'll be everybody here does at least one evil playthrough to see how far it goes

[vivid owl]

though I'm pretty sure Diffindo doesn't work on living creatures

[subtle olive]

It does

[slow horizon]

I'll do two evil playthrtoughs, one slytherin, one huffle

[worthy path]

Is the map of the game big?

[vivid owl]

it's the severing charm, not jinx, hex, or curse.

[frank jewel]

From the looks of it, yep, really big.

[vivid owl]

as in it's designed to cut non-living matter

[worthy path]

Your pfp is an 11/10

[subtle olive]

Deathly Hallows they had to cut Ron out of his robes after he splinched but Hermione's hand shook so the spell cut into his exposed flesh

[past nacelle]

You'd need something a bit more deadly than diffindo to cut someone.

[worthy path]

Someone has definitely died in quidditch at Hogwarts

[vivid owl]

a lot of household charms could be used to cause harm but can't be used on people by their very nature

[subtle olive]

It cuts but I think it would cut about as much as cutting someone with scissors.

[past nacelle]

The hand shaking could've changed the spell unintentionally..

[vivid owl]

so I assume Diffindo is the same, designed to do a variety of cutting tasks around the house/garden, but not on people

That's not really a lore question

[subtle olive]

1890s and he never time travelled? Yeeeah

[worthy path]

Just asking

[vivid owl]

more of a #💬general one

[worthy path]

Aight

[vivid owl]

👍

So here's a thing, how excited do you think Binns is going to be with another Goblin Rebellion going on?

lol

Ghost's favourite topic is goblins rebelling against oppressive wizards

[slow horizon]

it can kill people

[worthy path]

Does Albus Severus Potter have an child?

[subtle olive]

He's 16-17 as of 2022. So NO

[vivid owl]

Considering when we see him he still is a child, not that we know of

[worthy path]

Ok

No need to get aggressive at the end Superman

[subtle olive]

I mean the question is would anyone go to him for more information? We saw how that worked out in Chamber of Secrets

[vivid owl]

I mean it seems if you actually engage him then he's a good teacher

[past nacelle]

Does he even know he's dead?

[terse rose]

Jack the Ripper 👀

[vivid owl]

I wonder if his NEWT level classes with the fewer students are actually interesting and useful

[subtle olive]

Well if we meet Bathilda Bagshot in game at some point she might make a crack about Binns

[worthy path]

Is Jack the ripper an official Harry Potter Character?

[terse rose]

I mean nothing prevents from him being in a HP universe probl

[worthy path]

Would be cool if that happens

[terse rose]

He's likely not coming into the game, but lore wise it's possible

[high creek]

Game seems to be set in 1891, the Ripper murders were 1888.

[past nacelle]

Chances are in wizarding lore he was a wizard and ended up getting caught, by magical forces if he got sloppy which explains why he disappeared and stopped from the muggle side of things.

[terse rose]

true

[vivid owl]

true, getting kissed by a dementor does kind of put a stop to your serial killing ambitions

[past nacelle]

Either that or he got thrown through the Veil in the Department of Mysteries. I'd imagine that might also be used to execute dangerous wizards and witches.

[worthy path]

What time does the game take place?

[vivid owl]

potentially

1890-1891

[worthy path]

Thanks

[vivid owl]

so 101 years before Harry goes to Hogwarts

[subtle olive]

And 1 year before Dumbledore comes to Hogwarts

[slow mauve]

Sooo how do you think we are gonna get away with using it at all? Since its alredy ilegal by the time of the game

[worthy path]

So we gon meet new characters

[vivid owl]

2 years as he comes in the 92-93 year, so the player would have to go through the 1891-92 school year first.

[past nacelle]

Might get a cameo with him and his family at Godric's Hollow if that is a place to be visited.

[subtle olive]

Fair. Which means if this game only covers 1 year and DLCs only fill in additional mid-quel content taking place during said year, then the sequel is Year 6, with him not finally arriving til the 3rd in a trilogy with us in 7th year

[past nacelle]

Assuming we get sequels.

[slow mauve]

We could if the game does well

And i would love to visit the other schools

[slow horizon]

Considering that the game has a very minor thing disconnecting from lore, namely quick brooms, and possibly another one ( hog's head inn)

What things would you guys think would be completely okay to be not lore friendly in the game ?

Personally I'd like to see sectumsempra

[past nacelle]

It might be story expansions, wouldn't be the first time a game has done a full game-length expansion. Looks at Witcher 3's Hearts of Stone and Blood & Wine

[vivid owl]

Honestly I'd prefer 6th and 7th years to be DLC, and then a new game to be a different school

[vivid owl]

Hogs Head did exist before Aberforth got it, he just became it's proprietor after the previous one passed.

as for the brooms, well we don't know how fast they are

[past nacelle]

Certainly won't be Nimbus level or Firebolt level though.

[vivid owl]

if they can hit 40mph then that's not too far out from what we know was possible at the time

the only problem comes if they go over 50mph

as that was an after 1900 thing

and the consistently 60+ mph stuff doesn't come about until Comet and Cleansweep come about in the 1920s

then the first 100mph broom is the Nimbus 1000 in 1967

Harry's Nimbus 2000 can do 120mph, and his Firebolt can do 150mph

which McGonagall really gave a 120mph broom to an 11 year old who loves doing death defying stunts

[subtle olive]

If I remember Quidditch Through the Ages correctly, the Shooting Star would be considered a high end broom in the 1800s

[past nacelle]

Then again, she's a low-key Quidditch nut.

[subtle olive]

Which gets outstripped by every broom by the time of the 90s

[slow mauve]

XD

[past nacelle]

Yeah, I'd think by the time the 1990s rolled around anyone on a Shooting Star was gonna get laughed off the pitch.

[vivid owl]

The Shooting Star was from 1955

the Oakenshaft 79 is the broom from the late 1800s

[subtle olive]

Ok I'll need to re-read QTTA

No harm

[vivid owl]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Broomstick

[past nacelle]

I swear, you're a walking Wizarding encyclopaedia @vivid owl

[vivid owl]

for quick access to the info

I spent way too long researching this stuff

[past nacelle]

Like, damn - I'm good but you're on another level. xD

[vivid owl]

when I say I probably know more about HP lore than Rowling, I'm only half joking

[subtle olive]

Silver Arrow was mentioned as being similiar to a Firebolt by Madam Hooch but adjusted for their time period

[vivid owl]

70mph with a tailwind

[past nacelle]

Hm, given how old Madam Hooch is...she probably went to school with the Marauders because she doesn't seem to be quite as old as McGonagall - Silver Arrow might be the Marauder era's equivalent to a Firebolt.

[subtle olive]

Which is faster than the Oakenshaft

[vivid owl]

She's definitely older than the Marauders considering she was teaching then

and yep

a good bit faster considering the Silver Arrow seems to be from the early 1920s

though I say that mostly cos it's named after a car from that time

[subtle olive]

It might have gotten its name from the 1920s cars by Rowling but its place in the timeline is rather vague

[vivid owl]

also as the maker of it couldn't keep up with demand it was replaced by the first model Cleansweeps in popularity

[past nacelle]

Possibly a Muggleborn/Half-blood created it then. xD

[vivid owl]

meaning early 20s

late 1910s

[past nacelle]

Because you know, regular wizarding purebloods wouldn't pay attention to muggle cars and care to name a broom after one.

[vivid owl]

if you'd asked me this stuff some 4 months back, I could have given you all this info without needing the wiki page open to double check

[subtle olive]

Which makes it an exotic broom. Kind of like how in 2014 they tried to mass produce a knockoff Firebolt called the Thunderbolt but they kept exploding from the sheer velocity and then the Firebolt II came out

[past nacelle]

Probably tried calling it Thunderbolt inspired by Harry and his status but just couldn't do it because the epicness could not be contained. xD

[vivid owl]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Thunderbolt_VII

[subtle olive]

Heh I was right. Just slightly got the names off LOL

[past nacelle]

Yikes. I wouldn't wanna be in that Thunderbolt HQ when those angry Nigerian warlocks storm the building.

[subtle olive]

Considering they know wandless magic!?

You wouldn't even know what curses to watch out for!

[past nacelle]

You'd just have to duck under a desk and hope for the best, and also hope like hell you don't get spotted.

[subtle olive]

They're all Animagi too. How many can turn into poisonous insects?

[past nacelle]

What is up with these guys? How OP are they?

[subtle olive]

Well apparently they have had fights with British and American wizards since forever over wand use if memory serves me right tho Fuzzpot might already be on the page for it. They also have a very unique way of inviting wizards to their school

[past nacelle]

Also, do yourself a favour and look up the Moontrimmer broom. What the hell was they thinking sticking sharp opened scissors on the handle end of a broom?!

[subtle olive]

Answer: One too many drinks at the Hog's Head.

[past nacelle]

Sounds about right.

[vivid owl]

Nope got distracted by Harry Potter Magic Awakened cos it has a character with a Firebolt Supreme in 2010-11 despite them not being released until 2014

[subtle olive]

Was gonna say wait wtf!?

[vivid owl]

and then looked up the character of Ivy Warrington who apparently has a muggle father despite being a Warrington

Cassius Warrington ins Slytherin like "What?"

though he's long graduated

[worthy path]

Can we customize our own wizard/witch?

[vivid owl]

yes

[worthy path]

Is there an official Harry Potter discord server? And if yes, can you invite me?

[vivid owl]

sorry to say but there isn't

[past nacelle]

Seems like HL is the only official thing for fans of the Wizarding World, as it is right now.

[worthy path]

Dang it, I spent 6 minutes to find it

[celest pasture]

Are there any unofficial ones?

[slow mauve]

Hrmmm do you guys think we will be able to select our backgroung and i wonder how it would affect the game, since at the time purebloods were still a very big deal no?

[modern moth]

It’s unlikely we’ll be able to choose because it’s such a big part of our story. They’d have to completely change how people in the story interact with us and if our family is in the game (even if they’re just mentioned) they’d need to change that as well

[slow mauve]

Hrmm i think its implied that our family may be dead not sure tho

[modern moth]

Yeah that’s the thing tho. They’re not gonna make 3 separate backstories for that

Because they’ll have died in a very different way if they were muggles

[neon kindle]

I hope our choices make the game different from what we currently see

I hope i wont need a friend for my first playthrough

[jovial fulcrum]

I hope so aswell, but I do wish they do it better than Dying Light 2 did...

[agile iron]

I reckon it’s part of the main story that we get a companion no matter what, but I also think it’ll be of choice whether or not they fight with us. Some parts of the trailer the player had a companion with them and others they didn’t.

[neon kindle]

Hm could be but maybe could be they just didnt have friends id rather fight alone

[slow mauve]

Honestly I just hope that us slythering will be alowed to be tricky and manipulative without being overtly evil XD

[modest yoke]

@vivid owl why do you think voldemort did not use a time turner to precent the death of his holcruxes ? This is a significant plot gap

[celest pasture]

I honestly never fully understood how the time turners worked lol.

[frosty moon]

Its just a time machine

[jovial fulcrum]

Is it? I dont think you can go into the future?

[past nacelle]

No, Time Turners only go one way. Backwards.

And Voldemort likely never anticipated anybody finding, destroying or even knowing about them.

He was that kind of arrogant.

[vivid owl]

Called getting his hands on one. The Department of Mysteries only has 14 time turners in total and they all get stuck in a self-destruction loop at the end of the battle there.

They are ludicrously difficult to get and most people don't even know they exist.

Whilst Tom did get 12 OWLs and then took them all on to NEWT level, he did it without a time turner

heck so did Percy

just to float that Hermione whilst a genius isn't anywhere near as good with time management as Percy and Riddle were

[past nacelle]

She wanted to do everything and obviously, classes clashed.

[vivid owl]

Yet Percy did everything. Though I think he took Muggle Studies as self-study as is recommended to Muggle-borns, and then just asked Muggle-borns in his year about the stuff when he could, so he only had 11 actual classes.

Perhaps Riddle did the same but without needing to ask others due to growing up in the orphanage

[past nacelle]

Gods, I wouldn't be surprised if Hermione getting a time turner was an experiment by the DoM to see how a growing teenager handles it. That sounds like something they'd do without being overt about it being an experiment.

[vivid owl]

There's honestly so many questions as to how she got one when Ravenclaw students are known to regularly take 10 or 11 subjects at OWL level and then on to NEWT level

heck same with Slytherins

so why are those two houses allowed to work themselves silly like that without a time rewinding machine to let them get extra sleep in?

[past nacelle]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was for plot convenience and JKR didn't really flesh out that it's possible other students might've gotten one at some point or another. Or, if Hermione was just unique like that.

Because think, if they didn't have the time turner - Buckbeak dies and Sirius doesn't end up escaping from the Dementors and both Harry and Sirius have their soul sucked out down by the lake by the horde of the abominations.

So, it's all very...convenient.

[vivid owl]

indeed

[slow horizon]

Rowling never should've introduced them in the first place

[frank jewel]

You can't really change something that already happened with how the time turner works.

[leaden urchin]

Time travel is so hard to get right that it should never be used ever imo

[frank jewel]

The third book does it well I'd say. Because it's a closed loop, so everything that happened the first time, is what's going to happen forever. You can't actually 'change' the future/past. This is why Cursed Child just doesn't work

[past nacelle]

Cursed Child is a fanfiction that somehow got spread into the wider world... I take it with a grain of salt, if at all. Meaning, no - I absolutely don't.

[reef kindle]

the only good thing about cursed child is Hermione becoming Minister for Magic

[jovial fulcrum]

Oh please don't mention that atrocity around me.

[past nacelle]

In my opinion, she was always destined for Minister for Magic or becoming Deputy/Headmistress of Hogwarts, in some capacity or another. She's just too smart not to.

[past nacelle]

Don't get on at me about it, I was acknowledging it's an atrocity!

[jovial fulcrum]

We shouldn't even mention such vulgarity... It shouldn't exist!

[past nacelle]

Who's bright idea was it to put a HP fanfiction into the wider world so much that people are thinking it's actually canon? Eugh..

[slow horizon]

Wit isn't everything, Riddle was clever aswell, even more than Granger

[past nacelle]

Riddle didn't have the temperament or desire to go through the 'proper' channels to 'rule' the country. His mad mind decided becoming a Dark Lord was the better option.

[slow horizon]

He wanted to become a teacher and applied several times

[reef kindle]

Riddle was clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed

[past nacelle]

Truly, I do think him splitting his soul fractured his already sociopathic mind into psychopathic end of things.

[slow horizon]

Granger is not competent for something like MoM

[reef kindle]

he was persuasive, cunning, charismatic even, but not the most intelligent

[past nacelle]

I wouldn't trust Riddle around children as a teacher, those are the type of teachers you go 'STRANGER DANGER!' around.

[neon kindle]

I wish we would've got a smarter villain in hp

[slow horizon]

He pushed the boundaries of dark magic further than anyone ever have, he discovered more secrets of hogwarts than anyone ever have, best student there was at hogwarts too

[jovial fulcrum]

As much as I agree Riddle was brilliant (as he was mad) I don't think he was smarter than Hermione.. He would have analysed things better (unless his greed overthrew his wit, but meh)

[past nacelle]

Not gonna lie, Barty Crouch Jr was pretty damn smart for a HP villain. He acted out Moody to a damn T, for a whole year and Dumbledore likely didn't notice the difference.

[slow horizon]

I think even Dumbledore says so that Riddle was the most brilliant student

[neon kindle]

Like riddle just needed some common sense with how he did his horcruxes

[slow horizon]

He also invented unsupported flight. Everyone for hundreds of years failed before him

[reef kindle]

all other parts apart from the Dark Arts he has woefully neglected... he was working for a disreputable antiques shop, for crying out loud

[jovial fulcrum]

I mean, if you have 6 hidden horcruxes and all of them can be found within a year.. are you really that brilliant?

[neon kindle]

But he wasnt the main villain

[jovial fulcrum]

And don't come at me with plot-convenience...

[neon kindle]

He could've hid them better

[past nacelle]

Eh, Hogwarts has seen many brilliant minds come and go through it's halls. I mean, Lily Potter nee Evans was one of those brilliant minds for example. There's like one in each generation. Riddle must've just been his generation's brilliant mind.

[frank jewel]

His weakness was that he thought he was smarter than everyone.

[slow horizon]

That was from pride but. He invented stuff nobody ever could

[past nacelle]

His weakness was his pride and arrogance.

[slow horizon]

Unsupported flight is a BIG BIG deal

[jovial fulcrum]

If you're really that brilliant shouldn't you be able to control that arrogance?

[neon kindle]

Thats the only smart thing he did

[past nacelle]

Eh, don't underestimate the arrogance of a prideful person because they might think they control it but they really don't.

[jovial fulcrum]

which is a lack of overview. If you analyze things properly you wouldnt think you control it..

a true mastermind doesnt assume things

[slow horizon]

Or they think they do not need to control their arrogance due to being too arrogant to realize its dangers

[past nacelle]

Honestly, Voldemort failed as a villain in quite a few ways but then again - it wasn't meant to be an adult series where the villian was competent to a scary degree. It was meant to be a kid's series that went onto being a teen's series.

[neon kindle]

Grindelwald is better than voldemort

[jovial fulcrum]

which means he isnt smarter than, regardless of the reasoning behind his downfall. You have to take characters as they are written

[slow horizon]

Well, Dumbledore said he was. He described Riddle as the most brilliant student

[jovial fulcrum]

of his time, no?

[reef kindle]

bottom line is, true intelligence lies in the fact that you know what you are exactly, not overestimating it... Couldn't kill a baby and never figured it out why...

[past nacelle]

I mean..here's a scary thought - imagine if Voldemort was like Petyr Balish/Littlefinger from Game of Thrones...He'd really be wrecking everybody's day and nobody would be able to point it to him until he got overconfident or such.

[jovial fulcrum]

but he isn't (I also havent watched GoT). He is voldy from HP and thats all he is. We can't assume "what ifs"..

[neon kindle]

Dumbledore said so so it means he was the best student? No he was just "smart"

[slow horizon]

He knew it was due to the sacrifice of Lily

he tells his death eaters in GoF

[neon kindle]

Just because Dumbledore says something doesnt always mean its true

[past nacelle]

Dumbledore said alot of things.

[slow horizon]

That's why he also uses Pottah's blood in the ritual to get a new body, so he would not be vulnerable to Pottah's touch

That's another thing

He invented that ritual to get a new body

It was evil yes but it was brilliant

[jovial fulcrum]

how about this then?

brilliant amirite

[celest pasture]

That ritual is not new I think.

[past nacelle]

I don't think he invented it, tweaked it possibly but that'd be about it.

[reef kindle]

okay, big whoop, he knew about blood magic... never figured it out though that why Lily's Sacrifice was so powerful though

[neon kindle]

Bro Voldemort had so many possibilities to kill harry in so many ways yet he decides to waste that time and then get defeated

[past nacelle]

Because over the long, long long years of wizarding world - I'm sure somebody has tried to come back in a new body.

[slow horizon]

Hermione was the best in her year only. Percy and Bill did better than her with 12 owls compared to 10 by Hermione. Dumbledore himself said Riddle was the best student ever to set foot on Hogwarts. There have been countless wizards including the auror Dalwish who have been described to have gotten Outstandings in all their NEWTs. The HBP movie only showed 2 out of many memories that showed Riddle’s back story how he already controlled his magic at an age Hermione coulnt even cast them yet. Also even harry’s mother Lily Evans was better than Herminoe at potions. Every single teacher had high expectations for Riddle, even Slughorn said he can be Minister of Magic in 15 years.
@jovial fulcrum

[neon kindle]

Like he couldve killed harry in GoF but wastes that time to talk to deah eaters

[neon kindle]

💀

Copy and paste really?

[slow horizon]

ye

[jovial fulcrum]

Also, just because you're gifted in your early years of schoolage. Does NOT mean you're going to be witty for the rest of your life.

[jovial fulcrum]

fine. still doesnt mean hes "intelligent" throughout his whole life

you have to keep developing

[celest pasture]

Yes, but magic is different. It indicates the power the wizard will have at a later age.

[jovial fulcrum]

Power and intelligence are separate from one another

[frank jewel]

I think the books did a better job at presenting Voldemort as smart, than the movies did.

[neon kindle]

This is why i think ranrok and grindelwald are overall better villains than voldemort

[jovial fulcrum]

the books did a better job at 95% of the things...

[reef kindle]

cunning is not smart... Baldrick was cunning from Blackadder....

[slow horizon]

He was intelligent without a body to invent a temporary body ( GoF) and invent a ritual to make a permanent body while also circumvent the ancient magic shielding Potter via Lily's sacrifice which makes Riddle vulnerable to touch Harry.

[reef kindle]

he did not invent any of those

[celest pasture]

Voldemort was an awesome villain. Iconic and remarkable. Everytime he entered the room, all eyes were on him.

[jovial fulcrum]

I'm not saying hes dumb. I'm just saying he isn't as brilliant as you make him out to be.

[neon kindle]

I beg to differ

[frank jewel]

I'd say he was up there with Dumbledore

[celest pasture]

Well, you are in the minority then.

[neon kindle]

Ok

[reef kindle]

and I say Dumbledore washed the floor with him at the Ministry

[neon kindle]

Lmao for sure

[frank jewel]

Dumbledore was also the only one he was afraid of, so it makes sense.

[neon kindle]

Atleast teen riddle managed to do something smarter in CoS

[celest pasture]

He had the elder wand though.

[reef kindle]

he did... he was also much older

[past nacelle]

And Dumbledore had more experience than Riddle, even if Riddle had the power and strength.

[jovial fulcrum]

another thing that proves voldemort isnt as smart as he thought he was. his misconception regarding the elder wand and its ownership...

[celest pasture]

They were probably equally powerful, but Dumbledore was more knowledgable.

[reef kindle]

actually at the point of their duel, Voldemort was more powerful, Dumbledore had experience, knowledge and desire to protect on his side

[celest pasture]

Why do you think he was more powerful at this point?

Because he was able to fight against the wielder of the elder wand? That sounds logical.

[jovial fulcrum]

Tuck is rereading the books I'm assuming?

[frank jewel]

Neither did Dumbledore though if I remember correctly, he did plan for the wand to go to Snape by making Snape kill him. Harry is the one that pointed out to him that it didn't really go as planned, when they have their talk at the end of book 7.

[slow horizon]

chamber of secrets, finished the whole of philosophers stone today

will continue till the end

[reef kindle]

Voldemort was more virile in body and mind, he was controlling Harry's dreams for months at this point and his enraged outbursts were elementally powerful

[jovial fulcrum]

he planned it to be snape. but that didnt happen, which means he understood how it worked but it didnt work as planned which is something entirely different

nevermind, Dumbledore was aware he lost his wand to draco (I think?)

[reef kindle]

yes

and Draco lost it to Harry at the Malfoy Manor

[jovial fulcrum]

still he couldn't break character there due to other deatheaters being there. doesnt mean he wasnt aware (I dont remember this very vividly tho)

[reef kindle]

all the while the Wand was in Voldemort's possession, with Ollivander to explain the theory of it

[frank jewel]

Either way his plan was flawed, if it had gone to Snape, Voldemort would have gotten it.

[jovial fulcrum]

thats true

[reef kindle]

maybe, though Snape never intended to use the Elder Wand as that would have given the game away too soon

[slow horizon]

And if that plan worked.... Then he would've caused Riddle to master the elder wand. As Riddle killed Snape.

but I'm positive that Dumby was aware of that probability of that happening

He let Sirius rot in Azkaban, I'm sure he had no problems with not only intending Potter to die but Snape aswell

[frank jewel]

Well he didn't know Sirius was innocent

[slow horizon]

he did, he only didn't do anything about it because then Harry would've lived with Sirius, and that would've meant that he was no longer under the protection which he had due to Petunia having Lily's blood

muh greater good

[celest pasture]

Where did he state he knew?

I don't think he did.

[frank jewel]

He didn't

[celest pasture]

ye

[jovial fulcrum]

I'm also curious on to where Tuck got that from...

I mean it makes sense

[slow horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSKoZDF_nXA

[jovial fulcrum]

but I don't remember reading / seeing anything

[slow horizon]

Dumbledore went to Azkaban to read Gaunt's mind, but he didn't bother to do the same with Sirius

[frank jewel]

"theory", it's not true

[slow horizon]

makes no sense, they were comrades

[slow horizon]

its c ommon sense

[frank jewel]

It's not canon, doesn't matter how much sense it makes

[celest pasture]

Dumbledore is not perfect, and they mabe didnt allow him to. There are many possibilities.

[jovial fulcrum]

"surely Dumbledore, one of the wisest wizards of all time- and a legilimency master, could have figured out Sirius’s innocence. Unless of course..He didn’t want to. In this video, I’m going to be exploring the possibility that Dumbledore knew of Sirius’s innocence all along, but allowed Sirius to rot in prison."

its theory. not canon. just because it makes sense or is "common sense" doesnt mean its true

[slow horizon]

and cursed child is, whats your argument ?

[jovial fulcrum]

cursed child is a joke we dont talk about here

[frank jewel]

Besides, Dumbledore believed as everyone else, that Sirius was the secret-keeper. He would have no reason to go read his mind. On top of that multiple eye witnesses. Idk, makes sense to me that he didn't.

[slow horizon]

Also, Dumbledore tells Harry that he belives them that Sirius is innocent in PoA, yet does nothing even afterwards. And mind you, he could've done something even during the GoF before the graveyard incident. This just solidifies the theory

[jovial fulcrum]

those 2 statements can be seen as entirely seperate

just because he believes Sirius is innocent AFTER certain events; doesnt mean he knew BEFORE said events

[frank jewel]

Does nothing? He tells Harry and Hermione how to save him. He can't do much else, as he explains himself in the book.

[jovial fulcrum]

he just mentioned hes only at the Chamber of secrets, give him some time ;p

[neon kindle]

Read the books mate

[slow horizon]

He can't do much else. Such lies, just like what he seeing in the mirror is a pair of socks...

He cleared Snape easily who was a death eater, but cannot clear an innocent man ? Please