lore

[random moon]

Like I love Seb 10/10 would commit crimes for

But I hc him as not being interested romantically in any way with my MC, he’s just interested in what this weird new student can do with her weird Ancient Magic

[modern moth]

Sebastian stanning is so crazy to me

He either likes you because you beat him in dueling or because you survived a dragon attack depending on if you picked Slytherin

If you bring him to hogsmead he will try and butter you up as per the library mission

Man's Is a user

[random moon]

I’d forgotten how manipulative he is at times lol

“Either they don’t trust u or u want Anne to Die! >:c”

Absolutely he’s a user,

He even says after Solmoon threatens to tell the headmaster after Seb uses Imperio that Ominis will cover him using family connections so don’t worry

Like??

This is why Ominis is the best boy, he just wants to protect him dumb best friend and stay away from Dark Magic

[modern moth]

If you start as Slytherin he's more convincing but if you're another house it's wow you're so good at dueling hey want to learn confringo and tell me your secrets

Natty is written like a wet newspaper but is more convincing

Poppy is overall best judging you from how you act towards animals

Poppy would be annoying irl but it works for a game

[random moon]

Yeah, as a Slytherin you see that at first he’s a little standoffish with how he says “can I help you?”

Then he realises who you are and you can just see the weeks turning in his head, because you survived a dragon attack and ended up arriving late for reasons unknown

Suddenly you’re a lot more interesting so he turns in the charm because not every 15 year okd can say they survived a dragon attack, so maybe you could be useful.

Probably also taking advantage of the fact you don’t have any established friends yet, meaning you’re likely more susceptible to wanting to make friends asap

[modern moth]

I just don't get why people like him so much he's clearly the school level villian as per Draco

Ominis too is too complicit with barely any conviction or convincing required

Yet Imelda gets all the gate because she's written to be flawed not written to rizz up the Mc

[stark hare]

Get outta here with that negativity!!

He’s at least as sacrifice Ominis before me

I’m too likable

[modern moth]

Ominis would not get sacrificed first he's the easily gaslighted bff

[random moon]

Hmm

Best friends since their first year?

Or rando who was a useful tool in getting what he wanted?

Yaeh

he wouldn’t have sacrificed Ominis, he doesn’t even invite Ominis, just MC. The intent is there, it just gets waylaid by Anne leaving and calling on Ominis

Seb 100% would have sacrificed MC to cure Anne

[modern moth]

Mc is also a loose end knowing about his illegal activity

Sebastian is your standard Slytherin

But written to be likeable

[stark hare]

Yes. But, I’m me.

Maybe, he would’ve sacrificed YOU

[modern moth]

That's not how it works everyone is the same pc

[random moon]

He knows Ominis wouldn’t turn him in, and he believes Anne would forgive him if he cured her

MC is the only real loose end. Once they’ve reached the limit if their usefulness, then they can’t be a witness

[modern moth]

Sebastian is just another reason on the list of reasons this game is too Slytherin focused

It's much less obvious he's using you when he thinks it's cool you survived a dragon attack which the Mc would probably be interested in talking about

I need more reasons to pick another house in a directors cut anything

The other houses have genuinely interesting characters but it's Sebastian rizz this
Would date him that

I won't even get started on the fact they all in highschool and real life adults need to chill

Atleast Gareth Weasley is just asking favours not a ulterior motive to use you

Sure buddy I'll help you with a prank is not the same as sure bro I'll cast crucio on you

[stark hare]

He would’ve sacrificed YOU

However, I’m me.

[modern moth]

Everyone is the same pc

[jagged fulcrum]

Draco was slightly a villian because of his parents, His father wanted him to be evil, Boy had no choice

[modern moth]

Correct but he was still the school level baddie not the big bad
As per Sebastian and the goblin

[jagged fulcrum]

True but I think Draco hated Harry because Lucius did

[stark hare]

Um

Never compare Peter Lockwood to any one else

[dapper lark]

Nah, Draco wanted to Harry’s friend. Harry rejected him.

[heavy tundra]

Draco wanted to be friends with Harry but got snubbed

[modern moth]

Tbh Draco had every right to roast movie ron

Completely disrespectful to his book self

[jagged fulcrum]

He only wanted to be friends with Harry because he survived Voldemort, Not sure it that's true but I've been told it was

[jagged fulcrum]

I agree lmao

[modern moth]

Draco is literally Sebastian

Man's survived voldy i like him
Man's survived a dragon I like him

I rest my case

[random moon]

Lucius didn’t hate Harry either,

Lucius was a coward who just followed Voldy because he was scared of him. He felt nothing for Harry. No malice or kindness

Draco only wanted to be his friend because Harry is famous, he only became a bully because Harry denied him so publicly and he wanted to save face and not look stupid in front of the other Pure Blood Slytherins

[modern moth]

If you care about cut content pure blood was the default it's all coming together

[jagged fulcrum]

I agree on your statement

Lucius was a coward and followed Voldy, Doesn't give him the right to be cocky and cruel to a kid

Also Draco did have interest in Harry because he was famous and survived Voldy, That's why Draco bullied Harry when he declined him

[tawdry ivy]

Damn I missed the Sebastian being a jerk convo?

[haughty flicker]

Late to the party but this analysis on Seb is interesting! Does anyone else feel, as an adult, they can only enjoy the series fully by appreciating the fandom's addition to the OG books? It's clear Slytherin was destined to be the "bad house" from the start. No amount of "well, it was written from a Gryffindor's perspective" legitimizes how little JKR did to make Slytherin well-rounded. Let's consider it's founder who created the Chamber of Secrets to cleanse the school of Muggleborns, favored its students to be cunning as opposed to shrewd. There are hardly any traits to counter the negative ones. I don't even think "fraternity" was considered until later on. It's easy to see why so many Slytherins are downright bastards when it's founder promises its children greatness at any cost, especially when for him, being great meant pureblooded and any cost meant murder lol

Ambition as a trait is a bit more variable like the house's elment, water. It can go in either direction tbh. Do y'all think the fandom has done a great deal for Slytherin's growth or not so much? Curious to hear your thoughts. :)

[modern moth]

Tbh Imelda is the only example of a good Slytherin in Hogwarts legacy
She just starts out bitter about her friend ditching her after getting jealous of her

[haughty flicker]

Imelda grows on you. What about Ominis? Or how HL made some controversial witches and wizards from other houses?

But also the fandom outside of Hogwarts Legacy has contributed greatly

I constantly see folks trying to skew Slytherin qualities in a better light and resent the way Slytherin was originally written

I don't blame JKR that much as the original series' target audience was children

[random moon]

I found Ominis to be a fantastic character.

Considering how “holier than thou” The Gaunts are in canon, it’s nice to have some that aren’t just straight up bad. Like even Merope was questionable, sympathetic sure but morally questionable.

While Ominis, due in part to his disability (which you just know is something his family would think lesser of him for) is more sensitive to sounds and therefor developed a dislike for the sound of them torturing muggles and thanks to his aunt, be far gentler and kinder. No interest in raving about blood purity.

Also him being a foil to Sebastian, having so done from a family mostly known for being evil, actually being a voice of reason about the dark arts is great imo

Also as a person with severe visual impairment, having a blind character who’s blindness isn’t their whole personality is great

[indigo holly]

But did Nerida even actually get jealous of her? Or did Imelda assume that?

[haughty flicker]

Yes to absolutely everything you said! Ominis is a breath of fresh air.

[haughty flicker]

Interesting

[random moon]

Pretty sure Imelda just assumed that as Nerida wasn’t as skilled and simply lost interest and focused on studying Merpeople which she found way more to her tastes

It’s like when you try a bunch of different activities as a kid and find the ones you don’t enjoy and the ones you do.

Imelda just assumes it’s jealousy because she’s a tiny bit arrogant and thinks anyone who can’t match her is jealous of her.

She even accuses MC of cheating in the first race because she thinks that highly of herself.

[indigo holly]

Exactly; I think Imelda made the assumption and then took it as fact

[modern moth]

Ominis is complicit and easily pressured
If Mc wasn't there he would of absolutely casted crucio for Sebastian

[modern moth]

Nothing canon confirmed but you can assume the chick who changed her whole career path and just sits at the water is at fault

Either way teenagers are stupid Imelda is just classic teenage stupidity not criminal activity like Sebastian

[indigo holly]

...No??? She's a kid.

[modern moth]

It's a expression obviously there's no real career bud lol

[indigo holly]

Yeah but kids are still exploring themselves and discovering their interests. She makes it clear how much she loves mermaids, it's highly probable that this has nothing at all to do with Imelda.

[modern moth]

But it's not canon who is right

I'm going with the kid who couldn't stack up switched hoboes

Hobbies

[indigo holly]

You're taking Imelda's word for it, Imelda who's competitive in everything she does and way too self-assured and self-centred

[modern moth]

Imelda who acts properly as a Slytherin should vs a lazy quitter who sits by the water

[indigo holly]

Except we don't know that Nerida actually 'quit'

For all we know she just got bored of racing, or discovered she loved mermaids more and wanted to do that instead

[modern moth]

We do know

[indigo holly]

Imelda also refused to take advice from a grown ass man who knows much more about brooms and flying than she does

[modern moth]

In our hearts

The elder isn't always correct

Scientists with years of experience are proving other scientists wrong everyday

Mr broom and what he says isn't fact

[indigo holly]

No, not always, but she states outright that the instant he said something she didn't agree with, she was gone. It would've been different if she had actually tried his advice and it didn't work, or if there was a recurring pattern, but that's not what happened. Albie also says that she has 'bad habits' when it comes to flying. Also, if you pay attention to the leaderboard, Imelda isn't even at the top or near the top, and yet she acts like she's the single best flyer the school has aver seen.

[modern moth]

But Imelda was right all along

[indigo holly]

Except he has more experience than her

[indigo holly]

Literally where

[modern moth]

Experience means nothing
You can be a professional for 30 years woodworking but if I figure out how to do it faster I win

[indigo holly]

How old are you???

[modern moth]

Sounds like Imelda bias innit

Bro pulling the age card
I'll take that as a W

[indigo holly]

No, it just sounds like you're inexperienced yourself and are therefore dismissing the importance of it

'Experience means nothing' What the actual Hell

[modern moth]

There's no importance in experience
Fresh MMA armatures beat elites everyday

I can mold the argument 50 different ways

[indigo holly]

Which also makes you sound like a child

[modern moth]

You keep running back to age instead of counter arguments bro probably a child himself

[random moon]

Faster doesn’t always mean better, in fact more often than not, rushing things to be quick would result in a poorer quality product.

This is why mass manufactured things are often shoddy quality, can be unsafe, or break easily.

Because they were made as quickly and cheaply as possible in a mass scale with minimal quality control, because that gets the most profit at the cost of a quality product,

[modern moth]

But in the real world faster worker wins bids for contracts

[indigo holly]

I keep making counterarguments actually but your own 'rebuttals' pretty much amount to 'nope lol you're wrong'

[modern moth]

Your counter arguments are about as effective as Sebastians arguments

[random moon]

Often for very little pay and unsafe working conditions where they have to meet a certain quota in a very short amount of time or risk losing their job or pay

[indigo holly]

You do realise that's not the only thing that matters in the world, right?????

[modern moth]

That's a non rebuttal
Try again this is your third time including the two previous age related message

[indigo holly]

Answer my question first

[modern moth]

There's no need for irrelevant non rebuttals do better to stay on topic in the future

[indigo holly]

Do you realise that doing something 'faster' is not always the right way?

[modern moth]

Four for four what is this burger king
Bro grab your uniform

Your late for your shift

[indigo holly]

???????

[modern moth]

I'll take a whopper Jr with fries and a root beer no ice please

[indigo holly]

Okay, you're just being deliberately annoying and immature, this conversation is over

[modern moth]

You've failed to stay on topic three times the conversation was already over lol

[indigo holly]

Okay future sweatshop manager 👍

[modern moth]

Me moments before I send you to azkaban

[indigo holly]

You're really doing nothing to disprove the idea that you're a child

This behaviour is not that of an adult

[modern moth]

Age is irrelevant you look childish bringing it up and using it as a attempt to devalue someone

[indigo holly]

It's extremely relevant when you're 100% seriously making the argument that 'experience means nothing'

[modern moth]

Oh your bio lmao nvm I get why you acting this way my apologies

[indigo holly]

What is that supposed to mean??

[modern moth]

Nah bro I'm good
Have a good day

[random moon]

“I have no experience in mountain climbing but I bet I could do better than this experienced mountaineer if I go faster!

I’m sure I won’t die from a fall or hypoxia by climbing too quickly,”

Same energy

[indigo holly]

For real lmfao

[modern moth]

I will give you 3 slow claps and 1 head nod for your silly exaggeration

But a new mountain climber could become better than someone with lots of experience still yes

[indigo holly]

Yeah. With time, and experience of their own

[modern moth]

Ok weasles relax

[indigo holly]

Okay I need you to explain to me what exactly you have decided to change about your behaviour towards me because of my about, and why

[modern moth]

You went off topic running to age related messages 3 times and I got my answer why you would act in such a silly way

It's NBD

[indigo holly]

That does not answer my question

[random moon]

If it’s the autistic thing that’s gonna be a big yikes from me

Ableism gives me the biggest ick.

[modern moth]

It's the immature joke messages below autism idc what spectrum he's on lol

[indigo holly]

Yeah, that's my current guess, that you're going to decide that because I'm autistic that automatically makes me the 'childish' one and that you are now going to stop treating me like an adult

Bruh it's my own Goddamn about I can make a joke in it if I want to tf???

That's not even a reference to the autism, it's a reference to the fact that we're a system you complete and utter muppet

[modern moth]

You're getting too caught up in it
I was wondering why you would send immature messages and got my answer

[random moon]

I think it’s hilarious

[modern moth]

It's really NBD this chats extremely off topic now lol

[random moon]

Oh ew yeah, there’s the ick

[modern moth]

Why would you automatically assume I care about your spectrum since this chat is already off topic lol

[indigo holly]

...Because you made a direct reference to my about and took it as an 'explanation' for my 'immature messages'

[modern moth]

You have a multi sentence bio and zeroed in on one thing unprompted to that specific part

[indigo holly]

Because when I asked you to specify, you refused, yeah

[modern moth]

Because it's not a big deal and we're so far off topic were in a batman discord now
You derailed the conversation no less than 4 times with immature messages lol

We've switched IPS and I think I see god of war on the right

Sure though my fault for not responding to the topic as it continued to steer off course into batman Arkham city

Ominis the in game character is still easily manipulated and would be complicit

[haughty flicker]

I would argue this makes him a victim. It's one thing to lack any principles at all and allow yourself to become a mindless follower, but that doesn't describe Ominis in the slightest. He stands by his convictions, and actively seeks to do the right thing, despite being plagued by people who could punish him for doing so. Manipulation is a thing that happened to him, not something he did to himself.

[modern moth]

Finally some on topic messages

[modern moth]

Irl even if manipulated you can still be convicted though
The charges still laid albeit lesser

[calm solar]

As long as you aren't referring to Ebony D'arkness Dementia Raven Way then sure?

[random moon]

Perhaps the greatest thing to come from the fandom (preps don’t flam)

[calm solar]

Yes because it was an ironic kind of funny

So bad it's good

Though I have seen some people in the fandom outright demonising the Weasleys just to paint the Malfoys in a better light

[indigo holly]

Lmfao

[haughty flicker]

True but hardly relates to what we were exploring earlier. Growing up in Slytherin house is quite unfortunate because it's inadequate at providing a healthy environment for a child to develop. To be honest, I'm amazed that Ominis was able to come to his own conclusions after what he'd been through. Draco would have turned out differently had he been sorted into any other house.

[random moon]

And if it weren’t for MC and their Protagonist Powers™️ Sebastian wouldn’t have gotten anywhere with the scriptorium and not gone diwn the dark path he did.

MC is the one that struggles with their convictions, you can tell Seb he’s out of line and agree with Ominis every step of the way but you still help him and don’t try to stop him until it’s far too late.

Without MC, I don’t think Seb would have gotten anywhere near as far as he did with them enabling him.

[haughty flicker]

Thanking my lucky stars I don't know what you're referring to. Lol!

[calm solar]

I blame that on the writing lol

[modern moth]

Sebastian likely still would of figured it out and I'm not even pro Sebastian

He has charm and conviction

[calm solar]

Because you are not allowed to disagree with him and his story is linked to the main plot

[calm solar]

He's also very intelligent and seems to know stuff by himself purely through his own research

[haughty flicker]

Yepparooni.

[calm solar]

Fandom though likes to portray him as an arrogant cocky jock lmao

[random moon]

Oh you can disagree with him, but you’ll still enable him because plot lol

[modern moth]

Sebastian taught himself the evil curses
Bro is a nerd

[calm solar]

Hence the fault of the writing

Had we had Bioware level of gameplay and writing, you could have just given him a what for

[haughty flicker]

By that measure he should know that knowledge, influence, etc comes with responsibility. Again, this is something Slytherin should have taught if they encouraged ambition in their students. It's irresponsible of them not to.

Seb is wholly responsible for his actions and at the same time I can't say they are entirely his fault.

[calm solar]

Correct but this fandom likes to portray him like a stupid jock so they can project their ideal WattPad fantasies onto him lmao

[haughty flicker]

That is too bad. 😭

[calm solar]

But his real canon character is literally one of those edgelord 4channers who probably spouts conspiracy theories about why Goblins = Bad and wrote an entire thesis about it on Wizard 4chan lmao

[haughty flicker]

Seb needed someone to validate his feelings whilst also challenging his views, showing him different viewpoints, etc.

Or just walkaway tbh. You know, being a friend but at a certain distance.

[random moon]

He’s desperate. Desperate people do desperate things. Yes he’s responsible for his actions and those he hurts but it’s also not entirely at fault.

He’s a child, fearing losing the only remnant of his parents (Solomon doesn’t count), everyone else has given up and he’s scared and angry.

He’s also a teenager, at a time when emotions are hard to control and everything seems infinitely more stressful and lonely. Not even his best friend will help him,

[random moon]

Omg please the way I snorted my drink uo my damn nose

That’s canon Seb in a modern setting

Conspiracy theorist

[calm solar]

Literally him in the modern era. I don't get where the weird fangirls got their Edward Cullen archetype from

[haughty flicker]

Poor lad. Seb is a relatable character. I think that's why its tragic how Slythern failed him.

[haughty flicker]

Okay speaking of a certain someone, how are people not gawking over Cedric still? 😭

Bring the respectful moderate thirsting of Cedric back please. 🙏

[indigo holly]

Fr I'm so confused by this idea that Sebastian was totally a star Quidditch player before Black cancelled it. Boy reads every book he can get his hands on. He's an ace researcher. He gets winded after going up a flight of stairs. This boy is a terrifying duellist but he is a 100% bona-fide nerd

[calm solar]

Because Robert Pattinson said Aerith from FF7 is the best waifu so it's my obligation to ship CedricxAerith

[modern moth]

Seb is 16 right? He'd be charged as a adult if irl not a child

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-blinking-confused-shocked-what-gif-15734472

Omg nooo not my gifs. </3

[random moon]

Seb also gets winded climbing stairs, and when jogging to hogsneade

That boy is no athlete

He’s a nerd through and through

[worthy trench]

Also i don't think 1890s WW courts will care if Ominis was manipulated. He's aware of the events

[calm solar]

Yes he did

[modern moth]

The second you cross the line into 16 don't even think about murdering someone

[indigo holly]

I mentioned the stairs lmao

[random moon]

No 17 is when a witch or wizard is considered legally an adult

[modern moth]

Non reporting I assume was a crime back then I'm too lazy to google but 50/50

[calm solar]

So that's why he seemed like he was going to die when you lead him to swim. Blud has asthma just like me 😔

[haughty flicker]

Amazing. CedricxAerith it is then

[random moon]

Ahh yes I missed that!

Sorry, it’s 1:12am and my eyes are struggling more haha

[indigo holly]

Lol you're good

[worthy trench]

One can't really apply muggle law back then to WW law but i assume the WW courts won't care given the situations he was in along with Seb and co. Seb nearly killed people with those Inferi he was controlling. Some were outside the feldcroft crypts near the village

[haughty flicker]

Jinkies!

[random moon]

Ominis is a Gaunt

And wealthy/powerful/influential families could just claim they were under Imperio and get away with a slap on the wrist, like a lot of Death Eaters did.

Ominis would be fine because no way his family would let him embarrass them

[modern moth]

Sebastians uncle was not casting a spell at the time of his murder iirc
I'd have to YouTube a clip but self defense wouldn't really fly by the strict requirements it entails

[worthy trench]

He could use that ya.

Yah self-defense won't apply once Solomon is disarmed imo

And Seb also started the actual fight

[modern moth]

It's hard not to apply irl laws but even irl you have to use the exact force needed to your best judgement to incapacitate

[worthy trench]

Yah

[modern moth]

This does not mean murder

[haughty flicker]

Even if he isn't on good terms with them?

[worthy trench]

Ominis is really Sebs only chance of getting off the hook

if anyone finds evidence of the killling and their doings there

[modern moth]

Goblin murder too
And each cast of a unforgivable is a crime by itself

[haughty flicker]

It seems people like to "forget" this. How convenient, lol.

[random moon]

Though they could check what Solomons last spell was and it could be argued that it was being used at Sebastian

And that’s why he felt he had to defend himself,f from an adult, ex Auror

[random moon]

Using unforgivable on any non human being is absolutely fine in the eyes of Wizarding Law

It’s only using it on humans that gets you in trouble

[worthy trench]

how many spells can actually be checked in wands? just the last spell cast? cos then one can just cast any other spell that is not UC to hide the UC used before

[modern moth]

Is there canon evidence Solomon uses wandless magic?

[worthy trench]

i don't think so

[haughty flicker]

Did they have the technology for this back then?

[modern moth]

If he's wandless bro Is done

[worthy trench]

shrugs

[haughty flicker]

Yeah, hell if I know either tbh.

[modern moth]

Really all evidence points to Sebastian is in the wrong once you break it down

[worthy trench]

I would assume an ex-auror could use it but its not seen so i can't defo say yes

and he didn't use it in the fight anyway

[random moon]

Just the previous spell with Prior Incantato

In theory, Seb could cast any other spell and have the Unforgivable wiped as evidence

[worthy trench]

or before it

[modern moth]

I would need to see evidence of non verbal or wandless magic I couldn't just assume someone could do it

[worthy trench]

then a wizard checking the corpse would give it away it was an AK that killed him cos lack of signs.

[worthy trench]

ya like in a court of law, ya need the evidence

or its no good

[modern moth]

Like irl plenty of cops suck there's needs to be evidence he knows wandless magic and was still a threat

[haughty flicker]

Seb also has two eye witnesses

[modern moth]

Oh I'm snitching on seb everytime

[haughty flicker]

Wouldn't you be forced to tell the truth in court via magic?

[modern moth]

Bro is a criminal 5 times over even before he kills his uncle
4 if you cast crucio

Instead of him

[random moon]

Though the Wizengamot aren’t quite as thorough and are happy to overlook things like actual evidence and just go by wire of mouth.

Like Sirius being sent to Azkaban because no one saw pettigrew use the spell that blasted a joke in a building and killed 15 people before he transformed into a rat and ran

Or interrogate Hagrid as a teenager,they just believed that he had been the reason for Myrtles death and broke his wand.

For the Wizengamot, it depends on who you are and who you know. Sirius had no protection from the Blacks because he had been shunned by them as a teen and Hagrid is a half giant, so he’s seen as lesser

[haughty flicker]

Sorry, that was more a genuine question than anything. I don't remember how wizard court works, except that sometimes its a load of bollocks.

[worthy trench]

Alas it looked to all the world he was the killer when they got there. Even AD believed it. If WW used methods to get the truth or let sirius tell his side and investigate they may have found pettigrew

[random moon]

They don’t use Veritiserum in the Wizengamot as it’s not 100% foolproof,

It makes you say what you believe to be the truth

So if you believed that the sky is green and they gave you Veritaserum and asked what colour the sky is, you’d say green.

It’s not immune to personal bias for the truth,m therefore it’s not used

[haughty flicker]

Love this, thank you.

[haughty flicker]

So, POS judiciary is right, then.

[worthy trench]

yah the serum ain't perfect. one would have to use legilimency and that ain't foolproof either

though one method could have been use a pensive to get the memories, check if its real and then watch the surrounding areas cos the pensive somehow has the ability to show events the memory owner did not actually witness

[haughty flicker]

Poor Sirius.

[random moon]

The Wizengamot like an easy scapegoat so they can claim that justice was served and a culprit sentenced to soothe the masses.

It’s all about appearance and power to them, and rarely about real justice

They were willing to have Harry expelled for rightfully defending himself because he was seen as a threat to their control and influence.

[worthy trench]

yah alas

[modern moth]

Tbh Harry should of been expelled 5 times over
Especially book Harry lol

[haughty flicker]

Based. /s

[random moon]

100% it’s biased and unfair.

If you don’t know the right people or have the right pull, you’ll likely be used as a scapegoat.

If you know the right people, you can get away with literal murder by being like “🥺🥺🥺 I was under Imperio, I’m not responsible for the murder 🥺🥺” and maybe you pay a nice donation to the ministry and get away Scott free

[worthy trench]

question - whats a quick money maker in HL. i need money to buy the shop in hogsmeade

i could actually just sell my unneed gear.

[random moon]

Catch Puffskiens/Jobberknolls,

Sell them at Brood and Peck

profit

[random moon]

That too

[worthy trench]

but those are adorable

puffskiens

don't recall the other things

[random moon]

They’re going to good homes

[worthy trench]

true

[haughty flicker]

Nooo release them into the wild haha

[random moon]

Lil squeaky balls of fluff

[worthy trench]

aye

i need to brush on my combat again in that game.

and i am very underleveled

also have to get 3 more levels for house cup quest

[haughty flicker]

You got this!

[worthy trench]

thanks

and yah il get there

left off dealing with a mountain troll

alexandrias

i got wrecked

also did a new detail get added to merlin trials

i noticed a leaf based outline of a person in the structure once ya beat a trial

i assume its merlin's visage

was that always there

when ya beat one

[indigo holly]

...Yes

[worthy trench]

ok

[random moon]

Yeah that’s always been there since launch

[indigo holly]

It disappears within a few seconds but it always appears once you finish it

[worthy trench]

yah cool

also i have to re-apply things that change the game cos of updates

damn

im not doin that demiguise quest

[indigo holly]

Those aren't allowed

[worthy trench]

ya....

anyway what else is new

[runic topaz]

demiguise quest is easy bro wym

[worthy trench]

I'm not goin around the map looking for em all just so i can open all the locks in the game.

[modern moth]

You don't have to most are in hogwarts and hogsmead , you can complete the quest in these areas lol

[worthy trench]

sorry not changing my mind. I wasn;t doin it the first time. i ain't doin it now

[modern moth]

Be a man do the quest

[runic topaz]

literally look up a guide then its not that hard

and the game tells you where they all are if you dont want to cheat but you seem like the type of person to cheat anyways so idk

[snow bison]

You Are missing quite a bit without Stage 2+3 alohomora. I also hated the search in Hogwarts and hogsmeade- but you can super easily do Stage 3 with the demigueses from the small villages (it even tells you on the map how many there are!)

[runic topaz]

you can skip like 9 of them anyways

in the castle because thats the hardest place to find them

[worthy trench]

Yah I may do them as i go but i'm unlocking the locks early to save time on getting into other places. its how i rolled when i first played it the game and how'll continue to. Yall play ur way though. Moving on.

[severe grotto]

The Ancient Magic is Imagination! 🤩

[olive swan]

My advise would be to set the game difficulty to easy before doing any serious lock picking shenanigans. You can somewhat hold on to your sanity and don't have to continously repeat the stupid mini game.

Also, to tie this into the lore discussion. I do like that the spell has different levels, makes more sense to me, that some locks would be better protected than others. While JKR never went deeper into that, I do appreciate the way the game handled locks, or at least some of them.

[calm solar]

But some of us like suffering. I know I do since I played the game on Hard Blind

[sage timber]

Hard Blind? Like...blindfolded?

[dapper lark]

lol. That would be talent.

[olive swan]

[broken orchid]

On normal it's already challenging

[broken orchid]

I still think they should make a more realistic exchange for beast..... A hypogriff shouldn't be the same price as a puffskien, and 5 times more difficult

[olive swan]

Normal/Hard doesn't matter when it comes to lockpicking. Benefit of turning game to easy is that you can directly skip the mini-game with a button prompt. I don't find the game particulalry engaging. Alas different strokes and all that.

[indigo holly]

Story, not easy.

[sage timber]

I don't find the lock minigame challenging anymore, just annoying. I usually switch to Story just to pick locks.

[indigo holly]

Same, if I'm picking a lot in quick succession

[olive swan]

[shell merlin]

Isnt this the lake that harry cast his first patronus in?

[dapper lark]

Nice pic

[shell merlin]

thanks

[idle laurel]

You know since Hogwarts has been around since the 10th century you'd think there would be a lot more dead kid ghosts NPCs hanging around

[atomic field]

I'm more surprised that the Basilisk didn't kill more people when Tom released it

[shell merlin]

Reminds me of the time when Harry rode Buckbeak in his first lesson with Hagrid.

[random moon]

To remain as a ghost is a conscious decision, you have to choose to remain

Also you’re not bound to the place that you died. You can go anywhere.

Myrtle was actually asked to go to Hogwarts and haunt there instead as she was tormenting her childhood bully even after they’d left Hogwarts

[idle laurel]

True. I mean it's also kinda implied that Peeves just kinda manifested at Hogwarts due to all the emotional teenage wizard nonsense. I would assume some of the kids that died in accidents embarrassing or other wise would want to leave all that behind and it had to go somewhere why not peeves

Their energy I mean not their souls

[idle laurel]

It took a second year student to put the clues together and figure out it was a basilisk I genuinely wonder in what year plumbing was installed at Hogwarts because it had to be installed by a Slytherin lineage right?

[sage timber]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Corvinus_Gaunt

[idle laurel]

Oh my god when did this lore become available?

[sage timber]

I ‘unno. 👀

[idle laurel]

I want a short story about Corvinus being a wizard obsessed with plumbing and having to hide the chamber of secrets like "Uhg right great grand dads pet snake I'll just...edit the entrance into a girl's bathroom."

[random moon]

Peeves is a poltergeist, not a Ghost they’re two very different things, ghosts are spirits while poltergeists are non-beings

Becoming a ghost is a choice you make upon death, you might do so if you’re scared of moving on or have unfinished business but it’s not a very common thing as any wizard with sebse knows it’s not a good thing to do due to the almost complete sensory deprivation a ghost experiences, being unable to touch or taste or smell

[idle laurel]

I never claimed peeves was a ghost I said he manifested from the emotional teenage wizard energy. But my point was that most of the students/teachers that died and moved on left behind some of those energies and was given/taken to peeves.

My opinion not staying fact

[random moon]

Huh? No that’s not how it works.

Peeves is a creature of chaos. He manifested from the mischievous nature of the first students at Hogwarts. He doesn’t get any energy from those that die. He’s not an inherently malicious or dark entity (like Lethifolds or Denentors), just a chaotic one like all poltergeists

[idle laurel]

Sorry I'm not being very clear

I'm not saying he's there as a malicious entity. That's going about absorbing souls I'm saying he's acting as a vacuum passively absorbing teenage angst, embarrassment, shame etc. if a student were to die at Hogwarts and it's been shown that many have died in embarrassing ways and they move on I'm sure the energy they leave behind fuels him a bit more

[random moon]

But that’s not what he does. Poltergeists don’t feed on anything, they are embodiments of chaos, normally invisible that like to cause chaos and do pranks to people. They don’t absorb anything

[long fjord]

"he seemed to be mentally stable despite inbreeding enough to attend Hogwarts" LMAO

[knotty crescent]

I have new lore

[sage timber]

I liked the old lore better.

[knotty crescent]

Shush

That Solomon hated sabastian

[random moon]

If he hated him, he would have reported him to the ministry the moment he’d seen him cast an Unforgivable curse.

[shell merlin]

Guys I just discovered a possible relation. The spiders on arachnophobia mode have roller skates, similar to when Ron tackled his boggart in his 3rd year. What do you think? Is it possible that it’s related to that or just a coincidence?

[indigo holly]

I think it's a deliberate nod

[shell merlin]

Nod?

[indigo holly]

English turn of phrase. A deliberate reference to the scene in the films

[shell merlin]

?

Oh

Not in the books?

You realise that scene was also in the books

[indigo holly]

Nope. It was different.

In the books the spider's legs simply disappeared and it rolled away. Only in the films did the roller skates appear.

[shell merlin]

yes in the books the legs vanished

its kind of in between really becuase the arachnophobia ones dont have legs either they just have rollerskates

[worthy walrus]

I have a question, as someone who only watched the movie, I wanted to ask, in the Deathly Hallows Part 2, Did Harry knows that Remus had died when he summoned the spirit of dead loved ones in the Forbidden Forest, Remus' spirit was included in the one appeared apart from Sirius, and Harry's Parents

or rather, more like Harry did know Remus died when his spirit appeared in that scene, hencewhy when he sees the dead of Remus and Tonks in the aftermath of battle, he doesnt look suprised?

[crude wing]

I don’t remember that specific line in the book, however he knew whats he getting into. He’s familiar with war and death. Perhaps he was sad when he saw Remus, but didn’t show his expression because Remus looks happy to be reunited with his friends. [pretty sure I remember that one from the book].

[solid folio]

Yeah it does seem like Lupin appearing is book accurate. He would have definitely known Lupin had died by then if he didn't already

[fathom jetty]

On the movie Harry does express shock and disbelief I don’t exactly know what he said but Remus does tell him that teddy is in safe hands as Harry’s god son

[mystic palm]

anyone wanna play and voice chat looking for new friends

[gleaming meadow]

Hey guys I have a theory on who created the Unforgivables. Here is base. The Peverell brothers created them.

Antioch Peverell: Antioch created the Elder Wand. The Elder Wand could never be beat. But was it the wand? I say no. It was the curse cast from it. We know that a duel is battled till one dies. Which curse is unblockable and kills on contact? AVADA KEDAVRA! So Antioch created the Killing Curse

Cadmus Peverell: Cadmus created the resuraction stone. As his story goes he brings his love back but her pain inflicts pain on him. So I believe he wanted to create a way to transfer that pain to another. So he created Crucio. So Cadmus created The Cruciotous Curse.

Ignotus Peverell: Ignotus is last he was the wisest brother he wanted an invisibility cloak to escape death. He didnt want to hurt people. He just wanted to hide. Harry says in the book goblet of fire when he has the imperious curse on him it feels nice. It sounds like meditation not pain! So Ignotus created The Imperious Curse.

Here is the last part of the theory. The Deathly hallows are connected with there coresponding curse. This is why Harry could immediatly resist the Imperious curse at his first try. He has and conquered the Invisibility Cloak. Also After he overcomes the ressuraction stone Voldemort casts Crucio on Harry but HE DOESNT FEEL PAIN! Lastly He conqueres the elder wand. So the killing curse doesnt work

I hope you guys like this theory, Have a good day

[sage timber]

Would the children of two squibs be classified as muggles?

[random moon]

Yes most likely

Unless they were born with magic in which case they’d probably fall under “muggleborn”

[sage timber]

How likely would they be to be born with magic?

[random moon]

Entirely random

There’s no real rhyme or reason when it comes to being born with magic. Lots of old pureblood families would excise squib children from the line and records so there’s no solid number on how many squibs are actually born.

Logically you’d think a kid born grim 2 squib parents would have less chance of being born with magic than a kid born to 2 Pureblood parents but magic doesn’t work logic.

So long as there’s any magical heritage uk even if both parents are squibs, there’s always a chance even the first generation from 2 squibs could be born with magic

[sage timber]

Apparently, squibs are a lot rarer than muggleborns, though, with magic being a dominant gene?

[random moon]

Muggleborns are believed to have descended from from lines where a squib married into a muggle family at some point, putting the dormant magic into the bloodline

So if a squib that married into a muggle line had 5 kids and they all went on to have kids of their own, so on and so forth then that’s a lot more generations that the magic could show up in.

So yeah statistically there are more muggleborns than squibs, but that’s because squibs put the potent ion for magi into every subsequent descendant of theirs

Even if a descendant daft marries into another muggle family, from that person, the potential of magic is now in every descendant from them

[zealous wigeon]

Yeah I'm pretty sure there are like 50 YouTube videos saying the exact same

[worthy trench]

Impossible for them to have made the curses given the curses predate them

[indigo holly]

Huh???

[worthy trench]

Yah they are said to be early middle ages and if one is counting HL then Salazar knew them aswell.

And he predates the Peveralls by 100 years at least

They are said be around circa 1200s iirc

So they are too late to invent those curses

Ok that year is only from films

So that don't count

[indigo holly]

Who said anything about inventing the Unforgivables

Am I missing something???

Ah, right, never mind

[worthy trench]

I may be wrong anyway

I can't find the source for early middle ages but i do recall reading it somewhere

and there's no canon era of birth for the peverall brothers

i get were they coming from but the thing that makes me disagree is why would ignotus the noble one make any of those spells.

Even if he wanted to give people quick painless deaths you do have to mean it

and really wanna kill the person

like antioch i could see making the killing curse

cadmus - no idea why he'd make any of the curses

all he wanted was according to the author was to humiliate death (which we can't verify) but we do know when you get down to it is, he wanted to speak to past deceased loved ones and he lived long enough to either raise a kid or have a kid with either his deceased wife or had a kid with another woman afterward before he killed himself in grief.

Also the wife soul apparently hated being in the living plane via the stone, (which granted may happen after a while but we dunno how long she was called back for) while HPs fam and lupin had no distress over being called back for the brief time they were.

So either the truth is not as the author depicts or its due to how long the wife was called back for or she was just quite happy in the afterlife or got upset due to not being able to physically do touch anything in the mortal plane.

Regardless i don't see ignotus or cadmus making the spells based on what we know of them

Ok so its in the tales of beedle the bard - the imperious curse was made in the early middle ages

Historians typically consider that to be 5th-10th century

so that curse and i assume the other 2 potentially predates Hogwarts

while the peverall brothers have no canonical birth years, i assume they are after the founders time. if so then they can't be the inventors

[tawdry ivy]

technically they werent called back. harry used the stone when moldy voldy tried to Advada Kedavra him. and i probably spelt that wrong.

[worthy trench]

No he used it prior to that part. LV tries to kill him. he talks to them and follow him him to were the LV is waiting and he drops the stone and they fade away and then he goes out into the clearing were LV is and then LV tries to kill him

[tawdry ivy]

he didnt use the stone. he dropped it. if he had actually used it. if they had been called back they would have been there in a physical form. like how harry was "brought" back. even though he didnt technically die bit of voldemorts soul did. harrys was never in any real danger in this case due to the simple fact that LVs soul didnt belong in harrys body. but we can agree to disagree as there are mutliple ways to look at it honestly. the movies did mess it up. in the books howver the stone is dropped and harry is seeing them as kind of a hallucination.

[worthy trench]

He did use the stone. He literally turned it thrice in hand before the shades appeared. Its in the book text. And he hears movements round him just after he does it aswell and there's no one else physically around. The stone doesn't bring people back to life physically. I never said that. You seem to have taken the wording "called back" to mean physically back to life. Just the souls are summoned back to the mortal plane, as much more than a ghost but less substantial than a living body, Harry Potter described them as almost transparent, closest to the Riddle memory in book 2 - "He closed his eyes and turned the stone over in his hand three times. He knew it had happened, because he heard slight movements around him that suggested frail bodies shifting their footing on the earthy, twig-strewn ground that marked the outer edge of the forest. He opened his eyes and looked around. They were neither ghost nor truly flesh, he could see that. They resembled most closely the Riddle that had escaped from the diary so long ago, and he had been memory made nearly solid. Less substantial than living bodies, but much more than ghosts, they moved toward him. And on each face, there was the same loving smile." - and HP experienced a Patronus-like effect that shielded him against Dementors . And given HP experienced a Patronus-like effect in the presence of the Dementors while going through the forest to LV, who otherwise would have had a horrible effect on him physically and there's no text saying he cast a patronus charm They remained visible only as long as the stone was held and only the person who was holding the Stone could see them.

• “Stay close to me,” he said quietly. And he set of. The Dementors’ chill did not overcome him; he passed through it with his companions, and they acted like Patronuses to him, and together they marched through the old trees that grew closely together, their branches tangled, their roots gnarled and twisted underfoot. Harry clutched the Cloak tightly around him in the darkness, traveling deeper and deeper into the forest, with no idea where exactly Voldemort was, but sure that he would find him. Beside him, making scarcely a sound, walked James, Sirius, Lupin, and Lily, and their presence was his courage, and the reason he was able to keep putting one foot in front of the other.
  His body and mind felt oddly disconnected now, his limbs working without conscious instruction, as if he were passenger, not driver, in the body he was about to leave. The dead who walked beside him through the forest were much more real to him now than the living back at the castle: Ron, Hermione, Ginny, and all the others were the ones who felt like ghosts as he stumbled and slipped toward the end of his life, toward Voldemort…
  A thud and a whisper: Some other living creature had stirred close by. Harry stopped under the Cloak, peering around, listening, and his mother and father, Lupin and Sirius stopped too.
  “Someone there,” came a rough whisper close at hand. “He’s got an Invisibility Cloak. Could it be—?”
  Two figures emerged from behind a nearby tree: Their wands flared, and Harry saw Yaxley and Dolohov peering into the darkness, directly at the place Harry, his mother and father and Sirius and Lupin stood. Apparently they could not see anything.

You can think its an hallucination if you wish but I HP did turn the stone 3 times as the story of it said to, he heard movements when no else was around immediately after, he didn't cast a patronus to shield himself from dementors who would have effected him and he's is of sound mind and resolved in his intent to go through with letting LV kill him (he doesn't know he's not in danger, the shades likely don't either, and AD in Limbo admitted he didn't know for sure either if he would die there or not and implies that he would have if HP went on that train), so HP is not likely to hallucinate imo at that point.

[random moon]

The stone doesn’t bring people back physically. It calls their spirits and they appear as neither ghost nor flesh. But more like the memory Tom Riddle from the diary as a kind of incorporeal but solid looking thing

And Harry does use the stone and carries it with him until he confronts gokd which is when he drops it and the ones he resurrected then vanish

Dandelion has a way more descriptive answer lol 😂

[worthy trench]

Yah i decided to get the qoutes from the text but also i was doubting my own recollection of the text. But yah your answer is quicker to read. I just added in some stuff i think support the shades being real like HP not being said in text to cast a patronus to keep the dementors from affecting him and bout how his sane mental state would/should prevent any hallucinations on his part.

[hasty dawn]

I say the pervial brothers created the curses “AK imperio crucio” “a wand more for then any other” for AK
“A stone to bring back the dead” for Crucio
“The invisibility cape” imperio

[reef talon]

I had an interesting idea: The Hex Girls all graduated Hogwarts.
I mean, both are owned by Warner.

https://tenor.com/view/hex-girl-thorn-gif-1889500678168439276

[reef talon]

Way late I know. He didn't want Hogwarts to close because it was the closest thing he ever had to a home.

[worthy trench]

Yah he wasn't thinking ahead or of the consequences of murdering all the muggleborns in the school besides being arrested or executed if he was caught. It didn't cross his mind the school would shut down if a beast went on a murder spree inside the castle.

[sage timber]

Why would it? These things happen, yano. Just a fact of life. If you didn't want your child to be eaten at boarding school, you should've kept them at home.

[worthy trench]

cos there's a monster hiding in the school somewhere and they can't find it and parents don't want their to potentially die to it in the school. if the school is not considered safe for the students or staff, it won't be kept open and running

A monster who's location is unknown and has already killed a student and can again will make the school unsafe for the students there unless they can find and kill the monster. which they couldn't do. They got lucky really that Tom stopped and that he was the last known heir and that he didn't try again for 50 years.

[sage timber]

....I was joking. o-o

[worthy trench]

ok then. nvm

[frail ledge]

I would love it if Hogwarts Legacy added Unsupported Flight as an option & if we could customize our Smoke Flight

[sage timber]

Only if we could customize it to not include smoke at all.

[frail ledge]

That could be an option too

But I wanna fly like in the HP Franchise & The Fantastic Beasts Franchise

[sage timber]

You know that's supposed to be an exceedingly rare ability, right?

[frail ledge]

Yea but since it's a Video Game it can be added.

I mean, Ranrok's Followers used Unsupported Flight.

[sage timber]

But they're at least paying lip service to being lore-accurate.

[frail ledge]

The Ancient Magic isn't exactly lore-accurate though. It's just a suggestion. That's all. 😄

[sage timber]

Ancient magic is lore-accurate.

[frail ledge]

What about Ranrok

[sage timber]

What about him?

[frail ledge]

Is he accurate too? And what about the girl that turned her father into a husk? Or even that ability? From what I remember, only Dementors could do that.

[sage timber]

There are numerous goblin rebellions in lore, so who's to say his wasn't one of them? And we know basically nothing about ancient magic, so...maybe?

[frail ledge]

Point is, I wanted to give the developers a Suggestion to add Unsupported Flight & perhaps the ability to Customize our Smoke Flight

& perhaps a lot more spells 'cause I would love to use the spells we all know & love from the HP & the Fantastic Beasts Franchise

[random moon]

Unsupported flight was never truly accomplished until Voldemort figured it out and the only one he taught was Snape.

The smoke thing that Dark Wizards use is the film version of Apparition which has a visual cue because if it was the instant teleportation it is in the books, it would be impossible for the audience to follow.

No one in the game is using unsupported flight. It’s just a visual style for apparition

It’s a visual indicator for enemies entering battle. The game shows both types of apparition visuals, the smoke thing just makes it more thematic/easier to follow.

But it’s not Unsupported flight

[topaz quail]

I thought unsupported flight was something Snape came up with

[indigo holly]

Nope. Voldemort.

[topaz quail]

It's always bald guy learning how to fly

Voldemort.. Zaheer..

[random moon]

Voldemort discovered it and taught it only to Snape

So the secret died with him

[frail ledge]

But how did the Order Of The Pheonix use that light smoke flight

[topaz quail]

once again, it's a movie thing

[frail ledge]

Yea but it's still an idea

😄

[topaz quail]

you have all the explanation here

[frail ledge]

Okay I get that. Still, it's an idea.

Also, some of the lore from HL (Hogwarts Legacy) isn't exactly canon. Some of it is new like some of the characters

It'd be nice to use Unsupported Flight around the Map & be able to decorate it. It was an idea I have last year I think. It'd be pretty cool to see that happen

Also I've played HP games on Roblox & it had Unsupported Flight

[topaz quail]

but it would be non canon

[frail ledge]

Just like the MC from Hogwarts Legacy. Without JK Rowling it's not Canon but that doesn't mean I don't like it 'cause I do 😄

[topaz quail]

Voldemort created it somewhere in 90's

[frail ledge]

How did The Order Of The Phoenix use it then

[topaz quail]

If they make Harry Potter game then it's cannon

they probably have the rights to do so

[frail ledge]

Not without Rowling. It even said she wasn't involved in the making

[topaz quail]

So Star Wars without lucas is not canon?

[frail ledge]

Buying the rights & it being canon is different. Still, it's a very cool game.

[topaz quail]

It's the same thing

[frail ledge]

At this point I don't know, but I'm talking about HL

Not really

[topaz quail]

person holding rights to certain title can decide what's canon

HL is canon

[frail ledge]

Canon means it belongs in the same accuracy whereas ''The rights to'' Refers to who has partial, half, or full rights

Not 100% tho

[topaz quail]

🤓

[frail ledge]

😛

[topaz quail]

as I said earlier

[frail ledge]

Don't repeat it I know

[topaz quail]

.

[frail ledge]

But the author decides overall 'cause she wrote it

I think I heard she's writing a new book

[topaz quail]

not if author doesn't own rights to book

[frail ledge]

I know what I said lol. Regardless, it's an idea I'd like to see in the future.

[topaz quail]

you're feeling okey?

[frail ledge]

That's why I'm never giving the rights to my books unpublished if I get published

I feel fantastic

[topaz quail]

read that 9 times

[frail ledge]

Good 😛

I'm gonna leave it here 'cause I ain't wanting to get kicked

Also there was a werewolf statue at Hogwarts. I wonder if we'll ever get to see Werewolves in the game.

It kinda reminded me of Professor Lupin

One thing I thought was cool was how JK Rowling based the Dementors off of her own battle with Depression. I know Depression isn't good at all but I do love how it became an actual creature of dread.

If there is a channel where we can offer Suggestions, where is it? 'Cause I don't wanna offer Suggestions in the wrong Channel.

[worthy trench]

I mean the way it operates and exists in HL is completely new and unique to HL. Ancient Magic is a lore thing but how it works in HL is not from book lore.

[sage timber]

Book lore doesn't discuss how ancient magic works or doesn't work. It just mentions that it exists, really.

[worthy trench]

Interesting though HP does described looking smoke on the wind in the book when he does it which matches up with the smoke partial apparition effects in some of the movies or with the AM warping in game.

[worthy trench]

Ik but AM as depicted in game is unique to the game.

as is the lore bout goblin silver effects on AM.

I'm just pointing that out

[sage timber]

How it works in-game isn't contradictory to book lore, though.

[worthy trench]

Ik but its still technically not a canon depiction of AM

even if it works within it

AM in book lore is even vaguer just than in the game and it's known to work without incantation and do things otherwise impossible like deflect a killing curse with no physical barrier or spell energy jet stream to block or deflect it.

[worthy trench]

Quirrel could also do it when possessed by LV and Delphini knows how so the secret lives with her.

[random moon]

That happened in the film iirc not the books.

And CC is dubious canon at best because it wasn’t directly written by JKR. The play wasn’t written by her but it was based on a short story written by 3 different people including JKR

[unborn kraken]

why do I not have perms for the game help channel?

[sage timber]

Why is this question in the lore channel?

[unborn kraken]

WHERE ELSE

help channel is locked

:c

[sage timber]

#💬hogwarts-legacy-general? #💬general? #😎off-topic? #🔥great-hall?

[unborn kraken]

didnt see those channels before

just realised

[worthy trench]

No he describes LV is moving like smoke on wind in the book. CC is canon whether we like it or not alas

as JK approved it

until she says otherwise its part of canon

[random moon]

Are you talking about when Voldy finds him during the 7 potters thing? Because he was using unsupported flight in that, not Apparition

[worthy trench]

Ik but it is described as seen with partial apparition in the movies epsecially 5

with that one death eater

its just something i noted

If ya mean Quirrel, ya thats only in the film apparently. I'd have to double check that.

[random moon]

Again the smoke apparition was 100% a film decision so you could follow the action.

In the book Voldy is flying like smoke on the wind, as in smooth and effortless. There’s no actual smoke.

It’s a visual indicator for a visual medium

[random moon]

And yeah that was just a film decision, it doesn’t happen in the books.

In the films it could be argued it’s Voldy doing it as he has at least partial possesion of Quirrell’s body

[worthy trench]

Ur right on the smoke description and i just find the visual between the description and the film visual interesting.

[worthy trench]

its either that or he taught QQ how

[random moon]

There is also the fact that it wasn’t established canon at the time Philosopher’s Stone was filmed. So JKR didn’t say anything about it because she hadn’t yet established that unsupported flight was a Voldy exclusive thing

[worthy trench]

Prob

I doubt she came up with that back then

[sick night]

Did Moaning Myrtle know that Tom Riddle became Voldemort?

[iron aspen]

Mayhaps

[lucid coral]

i don’t think she did…

she didn’t know tom was responsible for her death either

she just heard a boy talking in a strange language while she was in the girls bathroom

and than she saw the basilisk

and died

[cold forge]

I honestly didn't know Natty was an Animagus, guess I have to get back to playing the game.

Also I know the process was complimentary, but didn't imagine it being anything like that.

https://www.cbr.com/harry-potter-hogwarts-legacy-transformation/

[torpid iris]

any chance they are going to add wordless spellcasting in hogwarts legacy 2? cause according to one of the characters, that is taught in the sixth year and since in hogwarts legacy you are a fifth year i figured theres a chance.

[lucid coral]

(n-vbl) 😶 ||LEVICORPUS||

[wicked saddle]

I think nonverbal spellcasting would be great! I'm so tired of my character shouting revelio 10,000 times a minute

[dusty osprey]

Would it really break canon a lot if we went to the triwizard tournament?

In hogwarts legacy 2

[sage timber]

Yeah, it kinda would...

[calm solar]

Yes

It was banned 100 years prior to HL

[dusty osprey]

I thought it was 200 years but I see can’t they make an exception bring in J.K Rowling to be like “yeah we can do something about that” lol no?

[calm solar]

200 years is based on Harry's time. HL was set in 1890 and the Triwizard Tourney was outlawed in the 1700s

But imho they won't touch it

[dusty osprey]

I believe it they have been pretty careful not to mess with canon

Sucks but I’d like to atleast see St Mungos or the current version of the ministry of magic

[fading brook]

I would be very happy if HL became a real trilogy. We started in our 5th year and in part 2 we will start the 6th and experience our adventure and discover new places. In HL 3 we will start our 7th and final year and then we might go to London and the Ministry, St. Mungo's Hospital and/or finally Azkaban for non-Hufflepuffs.

[lucid coral]

i guess it would depend on when the game takes place. like if it’s a direct sequel or not

[modern moth]

i thought the new game was releasing alongside the HBO tv show, so i dont think its gonna be a direct sequel

[lucid coral]

interesting take. i didn’t read that to mean it’s lined up with the show. even if it was the show is supposed to be based on the books

[modern moth]

i saw it in a ton of yt videos talking about HL 2

i didnt check sources though so dont blame me if im wrong

The thing is there are so many ways to interpret "coordinating storylines". Until we get more details from the devs, every content creator's articles and videos on HL 2 is just speculation

[blissful plank]

To continue with this conversation... I haven't heard of HL2 but I did hear rumors and speculation on a HL Director's Cut Edition.

[sage timber]

Just rumors at the moment. But HL2 is definitely in development.

[blissful plank]

I really hope so.

I hope they add a lot into it

As much as I want to replay Hogwarts Legacy, I don't really find it's one of those games you can play over & over again.

[sage timber]

It is for me. 😌

[blissful plank]

When I play it now, it's really only to roam Hogwarts & grab pictures.

[dusty osprey]

I heard it’s going to take place during Harry’s time period

We gonna get triwizard tournament

But also it’s a huge blow to hogwarts legacy 1 fans :<

We won’t see the sallows or ominis gaunt or phineas black

[sage timber]

Yeah, I'm gonna need an official source for that or else I'm gonna take that rumor with a heaping helping of salt.

[dusty osprey]

I sure hope I’m wrong lol

I want a sequel to legacy 1

Leave Harry’s timeline as is

Cursed child doesn’t exist

[sage timber]

😌 Precisely.

[dreamy wraith]

Id rather it take place during the Marauders time period

I lot happened back then

[glacial pivot]

I have a theory... that Cressida Blume is related to Moaning Myrtle...

[glacial pivot]

I like playing it in all four houses. Each house has a slight difference in storyline, especially with the housemates in each house.

[sage timber]

Why?

[blissful plank]

Actually, Moaning Myrtle wouldn't have been in the game nor- are the characters related in anyway thereof.

Blume has zero relation to Myrtle Warren.

1929-1943

1940-1943 was her enrollment in Hogwarts, she was a Ravenclaw.

[sage timber]

I don't see what Myrtle's age has to do with her not being related to Cressida.

[blissful plank]

Because they're not related. That's why.

[sage timber]

Well, we don't know that. They could be. shrug

[blissful plank]

Actually, we do...

[sage timber]

How?

[blissful plank]

Because it's not hard to figure out have you read the books and dissected the HL characters.

[sage timber]

They could be cousins. shrug

[blissful plank]

However, there is a little teaser in the second floor bathroom.

Now, technically- the chamber of secrets would've been in the game and should've been accessible due to time lines.

[sage timber]

Yeah. Accessible by Ominis. Who no way in hell is going down there.

[blissful plank]

I mean, it would've been a great opportunity for the Slytherin house- which I'm currently replaying

It's hard playing as any house other than Hufflepuff though, tbh

[sage timber]

It really is. ;-; I miss Effie.

[modern moth]

even if it would have, its only opened once harry comes there 2nd opening (I think) so they'd either have to break the canon which the devs didn't want...or not give us the chamber but acknowledge it's existence

[fringe grove]

What all do we know about Merlin in the HP universe? From what I remember, it isn’t much and at this point I’d take anything, Fanfic or something

I really want a series set about Merlin lol

[calm solar]

Not much. But all you need to know is that Merlin in the HP universe is very Pro-Muggle likely due to his relationship with the Muggle King Arthur. But I would wager he's similar to the main inspiration of Dumbledore: Merlin from The Once and Future King

[worthy trench]

Pretty much this.

I think its safe to assume he and AD would be similar in personality in the elderly years and in their powers and abilities.

HM does have him showing a certain bias towards Slytherin though

in that his portrait seems to think if a Slytherin were headmaster, whatever issue was happening at the time wouldn't have happened which isn't nessecarily true obviously. Especially if HL's Phineas Black was the headmaster.

But if one referring strictly to the canon version of him, then yah prob just similar to AD as seen in books and to Merlin from OAFK novel

Also he may have been a Druid in HP verse aswell due to his wand possibly being english oak, a wand favoured and used to make wands by druids in HP verse.

[restive estuary]

Wasn’t Merlin a Slytherin himself?

Could be wrong tho

[worthy trench]

Yes hence his bias.

[restive estuary]

So basically the opposite of Snape (?)

[worthy trench]

I mean Snape is bias towards Slytherin same as Merlin in HM. Otherwise its safe to assume Merlin is like Dumbledore in personality i think

[restive estuary]

Wait, now I’m confused about the meaning of bias

What does bias mean? (Sorry I ain’t a native English speaker)

[worthy trench]

Bias - inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

[restive estuary]

Ohhh

Ty

I knew only the prejudice part

[fringe grove]

Ah I see! Thanks (and thanks to the rest of you, I admittedly forgot I asked this..sorry lol)

Another question while I’m here.

Polyjuice potion, It works because you use the hair of someone in order to change into them, but let’s say you use the hair of a young 12 year old Harry, wait like 15 years and then finally use it, would you turn into a young Harry as that’s when the hair was retrieved or would it be current aged Harry as that’s what he looks like at that point?

[indigo holly]

That's an age-old mystery

[worthy trench]

Prob yes or else the trio's ministry trial disguises may not work for them. I'd assume it changes height etc aswell.

[buoyant vale]

you turn into what the plot wants at that time

I guess you could consider the hair a "unique identifier" that says "I want this person" and something else about how you brew it determines the age or other visible attributes of that person

but I have no lore to back that up

just be careful not to mix up cat hair. seems it can take combinations. so I wonder what happens if you just put tons of different people's hair into the potion

[sage timber]

Maybe you get some type of approximation of what those people’s kid would look like? O-o

[rugged spire]

what do you think pippinb frund or scamer

[sage timber]

What...?

[rugged spire]

i am doingthe pippin quest

[sage timber]

Aaaaand...?

....?

[rugged spire]

thyere is no proff

[dusty osprey]

Would it really break canon if we opened the chamber of secrets

[modern moth]

yes

[dusty osprey]

If no one knew about it and just assumed it was opened first during Harry’s time period

Rip

I feel like they could tip toe around canon sometimes

Without ruining it too hard

[sage timber]

There was clear evidence that the Chamber had been opened more than once between its creation and the twentieth century. https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Chamber_of_Secrets

[dusty osprey]

Niiceeee

[sage timber]

Yeah, but how we gettin' in?

[dusty osprey]

Doesn’t ominis know Parseltongue?

He’s a descendant of Salazar I thought- it’s been a while since I played the game lol

[sage timber]

Yes, but if Ominis ever opens the Chamber of Secrets....that's not Ominis.

[dusty osprey]

We slap the imperius curse on ominis or another descendant and bam we’re in

[sage timber]

DON'T YOU DARE.

[dusty osprey]

I’m just saying it’s a possibility

[sage timber]

Yeah, only if HGL2 gave us a fully evil route...

[dusty osprey]

So I was watching the Harry Potter movies and Voldemort was like “Lily was using old magic” ancient magic confirmed??

[sage timber]

Yes, ancient magic is Canon.

[worthy trench]

Its also probably that given he isn't a racist supremist, his family didn't tell him bout it. He'd never use it willingly if he knew. He'd tell everyone it was there and they'd deal with it

[worthy trench]

Ya she unknowingly envoked an ancient protective charm but it doesn't work like how HLs Ancient magic does. Also technically Voldy envoked the charm aswell since the charm required he give her an option to save herself. So it was both of them unknowingly

[sage timber]

He knew about the Undercroft and Scriptorium, sooo…

[worthy trench]

Yah but those are not holding a Basilisk. He's not gonna leave a Basilisk in the schook if he's aware of it or its location.

And the Undercroft has nothing to do with Salazar as far as we know

[sage timber]

Maybe Ominis doesn’t think anyone would believe him if he tried to tell them?

[worthy trench]

Like if he knows were it is, he can show them and open it in front of them. Simple.

Like if he knows were it is and what is in it, he has no reason not to tell and show the staff.

Otherwise it puts Ominis in a very bad light which i don't think the writers would have wanted.

So i assume until proven otherwise that his fam simply didn't tell him about the chamber or its occupant

[sage timber]

That, or he didn’t believe it, for whatever reason….

[buoyant vale]

havent you gotta know where it is, what it is, to open it?

and you dont have mertyl to give you a clue as shes not died yet

theres so much stuff hidden in and under hogwarts, i bet they didnt get planning permission for all these chambers of secrets, map chambers, rooms of requirement etc lol

[rugged spire]

is ther any other witchs or wizerds that can see acent magic after our characters

in the the second wizery war

[sage timber]

shrug If they can, they're not telling.

[sick night]

It's been suggested that Albus Dumbledore can, although it's not confirmed.

[sage timber]

And you figure this how?

[marble sluice]

-# “Trust me bro”

[sick night]

I didn't personally figure it, if that's what you're asking.

[worthy trench]

We don't know if he can see AM traces or use AM but he is knowledgeable in it since he knew about the Bond of Blood charm which is related to the Sacrificial Protection Charm that Lily put on Harry and he knew about that too and both are AM charms.

[sage timber]

Yes, that much is obvious. 😌

[topaz quail]

ancient magic is strictly game thing not a book thing

so it doesn't exist in JKR lore

thus there's no point in arguing who knew about it and who was able to use it

[calm solar]

Actually it does exist. Lily Potter used it

But the circumstances surrounding Ancient Magic wasn't explored much in the books

Unlike HL though, just about anyone can use Ancient Magic but it's the type of Magic that requires a catalyst of sorts

[open grove]

i've always seen "ancient magic" as a general name for any magic that fell out of use at some point in time and they don't have enough intel on it to give it a proper name 😆

[worthy trench]

It pretty much is. Its just it also works in ways that don't require incantation and wands and operate on the power of Love and higher fundemental magic principles.

Like LVs potion of rebirth is considered ancient magic.

Dragon hides are imbued with ancient magic

Sacrificial protection is ancient magic

Hogwarts is a fortress of ancient magic with ancient protection spells protecting it

thats pretty much the only times the terminology is used in the books

horcruxes are ancient magic also

but HL treats AM as separate branch/kind of magic that only few can see traces and wield and interact with to their fullest extent and depicts it as being able to amplify spells and implies it used to be way more common but disappeared over time.

But also anyone can use AM in HL but not all can see AM traces or see or interact with AM made constructs

[grave locust]

Quick question who is LV?

[worthy trench]

Voldy

[grave locust]

Ah

[worthy trench]

tom riddle

no nose man

[grave locust]

Yeah I know the guy

[worthy trench]

yah i just wanna have a laugh as his expense

[grave locust]

I wonder what this whole starting as an fifth year is all about?

Is that canon

[worthy trench]

late bloomers canonially exist

[open grove]

was there a late bloomer in the books?

[indigo holly]

Neville says he was one, though if we're referring specifically to starting after typical Hogwarts age, I haven't seen it

[open grove]

ah okay, so late bloomers of varying age

[sage timber]

Yeah, he says something like, his family thought he was a squib for ages.

[grave locust]

No way Neville does ancient magic

[sage timber]

No he doesn't.

[grave locust]

Yeah

And he started hogwarts as a first year

[sage timber]

Right. But he still got his magic later than most. Hence, he is a late bloomer.

[buoyant vale]

it seems to me from reading the lore in the game that "ancient" magic is any magic that is purely driven by human emotion: love, hate, sorrow, desire

which fits in with sacrificial magic and horcruxes being AM, driven by those things

its safe to assume, but not clearly written, that hogwarts protections are boosted by the repository underneath it, while the repository remains there

i mean its presence for one thing seems to create or attract ("spawn?") the pensive protectors/gauardians etc

or otherwise allow them to be summoned or created

[worthy trench]

Depends on the context. I just noted the instances in the books were ancient magic or old magic is actually used as terms to describe something in them.

What HL did was unique to it and portrayed it in a way not seen in the books or movies or the FB screenplays/scripts.

It also used the lore fact that magic leaves traces that can be sensed by wizards.

and incorporated it in

[granite sparrow]

greetings

[restive estuary]

Mainly because he got his own wand after the 4th book, before he was using his father’s wand

[sage timber]

No, it wasn't because of his father's wand. This was before he ever used a wand.

[restive estuary]

now I’m confused-

[sage timber]

Not sure why.

[restive estuary]

Oh, got it now

[worthy trench]

His magic just manifested later than 7 hence late bloomer. It may have been due to the pressure he was under by his granny to show signs of magic all his life.

[dapper lark]

His Uncle trying to spook the magic out of him with dangerous actions

[random moon]

Neville was believed to be a late bloomer by his granny. But he actually used magic as a newborn baby but no one saw it and so believed he wasn’t showing any signs of magic until an incident when he was older. His family kept unknowingly missing his early uses of magic

https://www.harrypotter.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/the-quill-of-acceptance-and-the-book-of-admittance

“Thus, the very moment that Neville Longbottom was born, the Quill attempted to write his name and was refused by the Book, which snapped shut. Even the midwife who attended Alice Longbottom had failed to notice that Neville managed to shift his blankets more snugly over himself moments after birth, assuming that his father had tucked the baby in more securely. Neville’s family persistently missed faint signs of magic in him and not until he was eight years old did either his disappointed great aunts and uncles, or the old stickler of a Book, accept that he was truly a wizard, when he survived a fall that should have killed him.”

[worthy trench]

Ah fair enough then

[sage timber]

Oicoic.

[buoyant vale]

why do house elves remain subservient to wizard houses? considering their power with wandless magic, they are stronger than all but the most powerful wizard or witch and have been able to put people in their place easily e.g. Dobby and Lucius malfoy. do they choose to be enslaved?

and also their ability to apparate anywhere

I would have expected a house elf rebellion more than a goblin one

[indigo holly]

House elves are based off of the mythological creature of the brownie, which is a little household helper that does so simply because it likes to.

[buoyant vale]

would be hard to not be on the side of the elves though in that case

[buoyant vale]

but the minute you give him a sock he doesn't serve any more

so he doesn't like it that much

and they're often mistreated

[indigo holly]

Dobby was horribly mistreated, so yeah, he wanted to be freed.

[buoyant vale]

one in HL is missing an ear and thinks it's fine, like they gaslight themselves

[indigo holly]

The house elves are a pretty controversial aspect of HP lore tbh

[buoyant vale]

why do they need to be symbolically freed by giving them clothes tho? surely they are powerful enough to choose to serve or not serve

[indigo holly]

That's not the way their magic works

[buoyant vale]

a bit like a genie or djinn then? their power is completely bound their summoner?

I don't remember the books explaining it

it seems like they're summoned by powerful conjuration spells and once sommoned are bound to serve and can't harm their summoner and kin, once freed they can do as they choose

like rubbing the genies lamp

which makes it a rather awful type of magic close to unforgivable curses

right?

[indigo holly]

What??? Where did you read that

[buoyant vale]

I didn't! like I said I've found no official lore, this is my interpretation of what I see

[indigo holly]

Okay but it's wrong though

House elves aren't conjured or summoned, they reproduce like normal mammals

[buoyant vale]

but it seems they're conjured or bound into servitude

by wizard magic

born free but made to serve by magical enchantment

they're also very long lived aren't they

[open grove]

fun to think that they came into being at some point bcs of our need for house help but i don't think wizardkind magic can conjure creatures as complex as elves

and their loyalty seems to be their creed

[random moon]

This is also based on the old English folklore for the Brownie

You were supposed to leave out offering of food as thanks for the work they did while the humans were asleep. But if you left them clothes as an offering, the resident brownies would leave and never come back as it was an insult.

So JKR took that and made it the only way to free a House Elf as they’re heavily based on this particular creature in English folklore.

[buoyant vale]

i dont mean they conjured the creature, i mean they conjured the form of control

[open grove]

mb! i suppose that's a blank space to fill with headcanons for now. i've not heard of any elves being "born free", but hypothetically free elves would have offsprings that would be.

[final rover]

what if the ancient magic ''doors'' are the same as the "door" Syrius Black went into after he died in 5th book?

I think this is the right channel

[nocturne valley]

Sirius Black did not go through a "door"

it was a veil

[worthy trench]

Aye he went through a literall black curtain. Though i do wonder if the visual for AM portals were inspired by the movie's version of the Veil.

[open grove]

ah they do look similar

[jagged lichen]

Alot of House-elfs were horribly mistreated. Dobby, even in the books, was said to be a "strange" House-elf for liking to be freed.
Take Pinky for example, she was freed, but she hated not having a master. Even if her master was evil.

It's not that they are "magically controlled" by Witches/Wizards to serve them.

[sage timber]

*Winky

[dusty skiff]

That's definitely an interesting take and one that kind of makes sense, not gonna lie. I mean they have some pretty badass magic which could be close to the unforgivable curses. Like it's your take on it and that's all that really matters. Everyone has their own take on everything.

Also don't listen to others who tell you certain creatures and entities are mythological because the Fae are nothing to mess with or scoff at. The Brownie is a type of Fae and it doesn't do things simply because it likes to. You still have to be nice to it and give it sweet things to eat. Oh and if a Fae does something for you NEVER say thank you. It implies you are now in their debt and NEVER give them your name because they can use it against you.

[faint burrow]

Would a blind person be safe from a Basilisk?

They can't look into its eyes, so yes, right?

[stable holly]

Yeah i guess, but wouldn't the basilisk just eat him?

[worthy trench]

Yah the basilisk can still smell you so it’ll still know where you are.

[unborn ferry]

Well, if we are talking about Ominis, he also speaks parseltongue, so no it wouldn't even eat him 🤷🏻‍♀️

[nocturne valley]

well, they didnt specifically mention ominis, they just said 'a blind person' so it could be anyone

[sage timber]

They can make eye contact accidentally…

[worthy trench]

Not sure to be honest since there was multiple heirs back then. So its a question would Basilisk obey him if he's the only heir in the room or would it defer to an older heir like his father or mother or siblings or cousins if they are older whether he's the only 1 or not.

[sage timber]

Probably whichever one feeds it.

[worthy trench]

Doubt it would work cos the Basilisk itself can't kill a person with its gaze when its blind itself, so it should go both ways. It requires line of sight, and blindness prevens that

[worthy trench]

Yah that prob would factor into it.

Its not like a house elf scenerio were it must obey i think

Paseltongue alone may not let one mentally influence a giant Snake or snakes in general

[sage timber]

No, because a basilisk can’t die by looking into a person’s eyes, but the opposite is not true. By blinding the basilisk, you’ve rendered whatever deadly magic it has harmless.

[worthy trench]

I meant it shouldn't work if the person the baskilisk is looking at is blind

I wrote that comment wrong

[sage timber]

They can still make eye contact, though. Even if they don’t know they are.

[worthy trench]

but again it needs sight to work based on dialogue i think

we'll never know i guess

[sage timber]

The basilisk can’t kill you on sight if it’s blind. There’s no reason to think it works the other way around.

[worthy trench]

I think it fair to think it may

[unborn ferry]

Only true heir of Salazar Slytherin can. I think it means the heir of his bloodline. Ominis is pure blooded member of house of Gaunt and the only one at that time to attend Hogwarts.

It would make no sense otherwise for Voldemort to be true heir since he is not pureblood.

[unborn ferry]

You have to look into it's eyes. If you are blind, you can't do that.

[random moon]

But it would work the other way around. Direct eye contact is what causes the death while indirect causes petrification.

So a fully blind person couldn’t make direct eye contact at all as they can’t see.

The entire trigger is looking at the creatures eyes. If you can’t see, neither death nor petrification would happen. Though it could still eat you if you didn’t know parseltongue to try and control it.

[unborn ferry]

But it's questionable, if a basilisk would be petrified seeing it's eyes in mirror or something. But honestly I think it would not be petrified....

[sage timber]

I suppose there's room for interpretation either way. 🤷‍♀️

[unborn ferry]

I don't think so. Exactly as said, you have to actually look into it's eyes. If you see through something you will be petrified, if you close your eyes you won't see its eyes at all. Your blind eyes will not work as eyes...

[random moon]

Pretty sure they’re immune to their own petrification or that of another basilisk. Herpo the Foul wouldn’t be so daft to leave it with such a vulnerability.

Wouldn’t be nearly as dangerous if you could just use a mirror and it’s own gaze petrifies it

[unborn ferry]

Agreed

[worthy trench]

We dunno if they are immune to their own reflected gaze or not. Their not immune in myth at any rate

[fringe grove]

Is Hogwarts Legacy considered canon lore? Wondering as I feel we are fairly limited in the lore we have and was wondering if we’d ever get more outside of HP books and such.

[sage timber]

I don't think it is, but I'm just gonna' ignore that.

[fringe grove]

Fair enough. It’s the best we’ve got

But I’m still trying to finish the books myself lol I tend to just do videos on YouTube haha

[calm solar]

No it isn't. With the HP IP, JKR's word is law. Unlike Cursed Child, it doesn't have the JKR stamp of lore approval.

[unborn ferry]

I don't care what anyone says, for me HL is canon. It's what brought me deeper into HP world. I wasn't much impressed by the story or characters of HP before playing HL.

[unborn ferry]

And no one listens to what JKR says or thinks anymore 😅

Exactly as said. Hermione is not black and Cursed Child is not canon story. No matter she tries to tell of otherwise.

[calm solar]

I mean she owns the IP so who gets to decide canon in terms of the whole IP, it's still her whether you like her or not.

HL didn't get what CC did and I'm not even a fan of CC. It's a matter of stating things as it is

[marble sluice]

I mean if you can’t respect jk for creating a phenomenal world then f u. Who cares about her beliefs. If you have issues with them. Her world building is amazing. You can’t have HP without her. Remember that.

[unborn ferry]

I respect her for that. But I don't care about her ideas anymore. And I'm not alone. We love her work HP, but she herself can destroy our feelings by her nonsense. And despite anything, I like her work, but the truth is, lot of things are underdeveloped and doesn't make much sense in HP....

[fringe grove]

I wish she had continued the world she created. With other characters and stories. Perhaps I’m spoiled with Tolkien (and his son) and all that he had done and wanted to do. The world just seems to small outside the books and I never understood why she doesn’t continue it. Like it doesn’t HAVE to be Harry. Can easily do new characters before or after the setting

[open grove]

she sooort of did with fantastic beasts

and cursed child ig

[sage timber]

Yeah, no more world-continuing for her, thanks.

[open grove]

cc is fr cursed idk how she went from hp & fb to whatever that was

[worthy trench]

Lotta readers/audience want more HP and co as adults or their kids or even the Mauraders content imo

And she's currently workin on the streaming show

And she tried with the FB movies/screenplays to delve deeper into the past but that didn't pan out in the end with FB 4 and 5 being cancelled due to the reception and box office of FB3

[random moon]

It was co written by her and two others, she just legitimised it by calling it canon

But it being co written is why it craps on the lore and reads like a glorified fanfiction lol

See “Voldy had a super powerful secret daughter” it reads like teenage fanfiction

[wild stag]

ik this is a hot take but i actually enjoyed cursed child as a stand alone work

i sort of consider it as a continuation but i dont take it that seriously

and the play was honestly fantastic, would love to see it again

[wild stag]

i agree, i'd love to just have additional content. a lot of people want voldemort's childhood, some want the marauders, etc.

[brazen citrus]

idk why but i love shows that continue through a bloodline or where the new main character meets the old main character if that makes sense

[wild stag]

on the topic of continuation of hp, do you guys know what kind of music it'll be for the series? i deeply love the soundtrack of the movies and im curious for what kind of music they'll make for the series but i dont know if i'll be able to love it as much as the movie soundtrack. will they reuse songs? can they even do that?

asking here cuz im not sure where else i should ask lol

[open grove]

oh no doubt it's good as a standalone, the plot is p decent. i think people wouldn't have minded the retcon if it was a bit more... believable?

[unborn ferry]

As I mentioned before, that's I would like HL to continue it's story and characters, because in their seventh year, Dumbledore would be first year. It can give more depth and explanation to the story afterwards...

[dusty skiff]

Not HP related but relates to what you said. I am that way with The Lion Guard. I sort of consider it but I don't take it seriously because of the way they try to shove it into The Lion King and Lion King 2

[calm solar]

Actually HL has already contradicted canon aspects of HP lore like Ominis' existence for example is actually not consistent with the lore of the actual Gaunt family in canon. They've been poor for generations but HL makes Ominis affluent and posh which is not the reality of things for the family in canon as they were an unstable family generations prior to Voldemort.

Wasn't in revealed that Marvolo was living in extreme poverty and Phineas Nigellus Black only kept him around to be a useful idiot due to his blood ties to Salazar alone?

[indigo holly]

Well tbf the game doesn't actually address how much money the Gaunts have at this point, Ominis never says anything about his family's financial situation

[indigo holly]

I don't know about that, in the books there was never mentioned any connection between Phineas and Marvolo at all

[sage timber]

Yep, none.

[sage timber]

That's true, but you don't get the sense that he's grown up in poverty...

[nocturne valley]

well, the blacks were a pure-blood family, and so were the gaunts, and it is said that all of the pure-blood families were interconnected in some way or the other

[indigo holly]

Do you get that sense about any of the characters, really?

[sage timber]

By marriage.

[indigo holly]

I mean besides that. I'm referring specifically to what was said in the message I responded to.

[nocturne valley]

ok

[sage timber]

No, but if there's anyone where we'd expect it to be noticeable, it'd be him.

[unborn ferry]

I have been thinking about that and it still can make sense. They didn’t have to be completely poor at that point. Gaunts at this time could appear still rich but be encumbered with debts. They still had good connections with other families like Black and Malfoy. But it could have been this time when the House of Gaunt fell completely apart leading to them being how we know them around Marvolo.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ominis with his hatred towards family flaws would be the last drop for Gaunts to fell completely apart

[calm solar]

No, actually they were completely poor to the point of living in destitute conditions prior to 1890 in actual canon. Ominis being rich is a gigantic plot hole against canon. It's still very possible he never survived the turn of the century anyhow given that Marvolo and his two children were all that's left of the bloodline.

[unborn ferry]

He could erased himself from the memory of Gaunts and fled away 🤷🏻‍♀️ You know "forgot spell"...

He would then completely disappear from the Gaunt family tree

[calm solar]

Maybe but he just doesn't make sense as a link as the bloodline never survived.

So Voldemort is quite literally the last known Gaunt descendant through his mother in canon

[unborn ferry]

I just told you he would disappear from the family tree. Meaning no one would know there was another Gaunt maybe far away from Scotland. He would even have different name. So Salazar descendants would still be somewhere, but not in a same flaws since it would be Ominis lead 🤷🏻‍♀️

[calm solar]

Voldemort might not have wanted a potential threat tbh when you analyse canon. It's possible he might have been killed off as Voldemort doesn't take kindly to Blood Traitors either.

So the only acceptable way he doesn't contradict canon directly is either he:

1. Died some time around 1891 - 1940s
2. Killed by Voldemort to ensure his sole claim to the Gaunt bloodline

Forgot the third option but even if he lived throught all of it incognito, I don't think he even has any descendants by blood

If he is survived by someone, it might be an adoptive child but not a biological one

[random moon]

If he was excised from the Gaunt family as many Pureblood families tended to do with squib children so they could maintain their claim of “purity”

Then yes, Marvolo and his kids would still be the last of theGaunt bloodline as Ominis wouldn’t be a recognised member of the family line and likely would have taken on a new name of his own

[calm solar]

Perhaps but he just does not rub me as someone who would want to have his bloodline survive any longer than it already has tbh

So yeah if in the situation he did survive and live through it all, I just don't see any possible motive that he'd want to have biological children.

[wild stag]

tbf i read it years ago so i was young and i wasnt as big of an hp fan then

but it's true it's not super believable

[unborn ferry]

But his bloodline doesn't have to be pure anymore. He would be free from his name and heritage and would live a life he wants to. Not everyone in his bloodline was bad. His aunt for example

And exactly as said, if he erases himself from Gaunt family, nor even Voldemort would be able to find him

Also... Marvolo was poor also because he was a fool. Remember Ominis was the only Gaunt to attend Hogwarts at that time for a reason.

[lucid coral]

what was the reason 👀

[unborn ferry]

He was probably only one mentally stable 😅 Gaunts are said to be very violent at this point. Due to inbreeding.

[unborn ferry]

He was probably only one mentally stable 😅 Gaunts are said to be very violent at this point. Due to inbreeding.

[random moon]

Or more likely his family wanted the shameful son out of the house for most of the year.

And likely Ominis was just as happy with that arrangement too

[unborn ferry]

Might be as well 🤷🏻‍♀️😅

But doesn't change the fact that other Gaunts didn't attend Hogwarts.

For some reason

And it's said Gaunts became aggressive due to inbreeding. "...generations of inbreeding had made them violent and unstable."

[random moon]

The reason what’s they were arrogant and thought they could teach all they needed to at home

Hogwarts isn’t mandatory to send your kids to, you can choose to hone school instead

[unborn ferry]

As I cited above... they weren't just arrogant...

[calm solar]

Two exceptions to the rule doesn't really make it so and his aunt had died a long time ago. My point was that he doesn't seem like a guy who would want to marry or have kids anyway so his bloodline dies there.

I could easily see him just adopting a few children but having one himself? Eh nah that doesn't seem like something he'd do. It's not a matter of having a pureblood bloodline. Just a matter that he wouldn't want to have children anyway

But this is where you're wrong though: Marvolo is poor because he'd been born into it. Their generational wealth was gone for generations prior to it. This is not because of Marvolo himself but rather his ancestors.

[worthy trench]

Also the same plot points would have been done in fanfiction and arguably better.

[worthy trench]

The bloodline may survive actually in another branch from earlier times in the USA. Its the name that is gone once Morfin and Marvolo died

[random moon]

Agreed

[calm solar]

Oh yeah Isolt Seyre correct? But well they've deviated far from the actual main family due to conflict and circumstances much earlier which is understandable.

Though personally can't see Ominis marrying or having children.

[sage timber]

I can. 😌

[worthy trench]

Yes the Sayre family branch line. They could potentially have loads of descendants but we dunno on that front.

Delphini is the last known descendant from Marvolo's line at any rate.

[unborn ferry]

That's your opinion 🤷🏻‍♀️

[lucid coral]

same
i thought he was a good guy

[jovial fulcrum]

🫵

[lucid coral]

[jovial fulcrum]

[unborn ferry]

❤️❤️❤️

[unborn ferry]

Also... I overall don't see such a problem in slight changes, that maybe are not perfectly as described in HP, because J.K. Rowling allowed plot lot of changes holes even in HP canon itself. And the slight changes in HL are for good imo. Or you like Slytherins being only the bad guys and all Gaunts being mad, violent villains? I think these slight changes gives nice depth to the canon. I honestly wasn't that much interested in HP before playing HL.

[calm solar]

Wym Slytherins bad guys? I never said that. I said that the Gaunts are not a good family and Ominis contradicts canon timeline. Plus it's not like I said I hated the character but moreso it's a plot hole that he's rich and him having a continued bloodline does not make sense following canon as the bloodline only survived through Isolt Sayre in America who fled the family much much earlier as written by JK Rowling. HL contradicting canon isn't always good either because it retcons Ancient Magic into this special ability only your special Mary Sue protagonist can use so long as they develop magic much later when in canon, it's catalyst magic that needs a trigger that just about anyone can use. I care more about consistency and HL does not have a good story or complements canon in good ways.

The plot of HL is much worse than canon HP in terms of overall writing quality. Outside of two characters, most characters do not have depth. The game's story feels like a very badly written fanfiction.

I would absolutely HATE it if they somehow bring young Dumbledore into the mix and ruin his character just like how another game under the same publishing trademark had done: Hogwarts Mystery. I don't want Dumbledore to be a massive fan boy who worships the ground the HL MC walks on or anything that does nothing substantial to the established canon.

[unborn ferry]

I can imagine Dumbledore being ancient magic user as well. It would explain quite things...

And just for knowing, lot of people who are actually interested in story writing, doesn't like HP for having so many plot holes, that were never explained

Fans made only fan made explanations for them

It's beautiful, nicely written story. But far from perfect.

There are black and white characters...

[calm solar]

Never said HP was perfect either but HL is just not consistent to the lore

[unborn ferry]

Lot of plot armors

[calm solar]

But in sharp contrast to HL, HP has had better character with more depth. They do good and bad things but when they do bad things, it doesn't get swept under a rug and ignored

[unborn ferry]

It's not that much less consistent then Fantastic beasts or Cursed Child 🤪

I think it's actually better then these

[calm solar]

Cursed Child is a bad example because JKR didn't write it. She just approved of it and I never said I liked it either

[unborn ferry]

Umm... Harry, Ron and Hermione broke almost all rules and got away with that...

[calm solar]

I only care for the original books timeline

[calm solar]

But does it include murdering random people like in HL?

The HL protagonist is a Mary Sue who absolutely face zero consequences flinging Unforgiveable Curses in broad daylight. Harry and Co broke school rules like children tend to. Big difference

[unborn ferry]

It's a game. If it would be made in series things would be different. They had to make it playable

[calm solar]

So? If you want it to be canon compliant, there should be a punishment system. Video games having crime and morality system had been done since the 90s. HL makes no sense in this regard

[unborn ferry]

Yes, the game itself can still have much more. But plot, characters etc. Are good.

[calm solar]

Plot is absolutely not good and the characters are as deep as a puddle.

They don't have aspects to them particularly the side characters that would make them memorable.

[unborn ferry]

Why are you even here then? 😅

[calm solar]

HP had characters like the Weasley family, Neville and Luna who have much more depth than the average side character in HL

[unborn ferry]

You apparently hate HL, so what are you doing here?

[calm solar]

Hate? No I am critical to its writing quality

[unborn ferry]

Sebastian, Ominis, Poppy...

[calm solar]

Criticism isn't hate

[unborn ferry]

I honestly like these much more then any other HP character 😅

Natty..

Imelda

[calm solar]

Poppy isn't a good example as she doesn't have a character beyond liking animals and have no relevance beyond her side mission

And she cares very little beyond animals

So no I wouldn't compare her to Neville

[unborn ferry]

You just didn't pay much attention

[calm solar]

Bad faith argument. I did pay attention and formed my own opinion on the character

[unborn ferry]

I like the teachers as well

[calm solar]

Also you are biased for HL since that's your introduction to the franchise

[unborn ferry]

Prof. Hecat, Sharp, Kogawa

Nope, I knew HP before

[calm solar]

You said it yourself you didn't like the IP until HL so which is it?

[unborn ferry]

And wasn't that impressed

[calm solar]

For me I was a fan of the IP before the game and that changes my impression on HL

[unborn ferry]

I know it, bet never actually fell for a story or characters. I did in HL

[calm solar]

So you're clearly biased for it.

Yet you're accusing me of hating certain characters or houses because I'm not enamoured by them

[unborn ferry]

Yeah, because HP itself wasn't enough to get my full love and attention.

[calm solar]

I'm critical because it's not this peak storytelling people tout it to be when the plot can be summarised with the power fantasy trope

[unborn ferry]

Now I'm all for it

And HP itself is what?

[calm solar]

Outside of Sebastian's story, the other storylines and the main plot are not HP adjacent. Even if I like that storyline out of everything else in the game it's still imperfect in how it logically unfolds

[unborn ferry]

Chosen one to safe the world!

[calm solar]

So is HL

But the MC is an unlikeable blank slate compared to Harry having an actual personality

[unborn ferry]

Yeah, so where is the problem? But outside this HL has Sebastian's storyline. HP does not

[calm solar]

And it's not "amazing" is my point

That plotline feels like HP the most but still has glaring problems midway point and it's conclusion

[unborn ferry]

Because it's a game...

[calm solar]

Bad excuse

Video games have done with better written protagonists in other IPs

[unborn ferry]

'Nor in BG3 unless you play origin characters, the character has much depth.

[calm solar]

Dragon Age Origins from 2009 did it nearly 20 years ago

[unborn ferry]

Once it's customized character...

[calm solar]

Much like BG3, they didn't sacrifice writing quality despite the customisable aspect

[unborn ferry]

Then go play it, if you like it that much

[calm solar]

I still do what's your point?

You're not fathoming that I want HL to be better hence why I'm critical

You only want to see criticism as hate

[unborn ferry]

I enjoyed HL more then HP. So yes, it can still be much much better. But with what we have, it's still pretty good already. Imagine if it has as much attention as BG3

[calm solar]

Yeah that's my point hence the criticism. I want the game to be better. You have to directly address what's wrong with it for developers to take note.

If you say it's perfect then it'll become like EA where an audience who is content with being treated horribly will just keep the company treating them badly because no one raised their voice.

[unborn ferry]

Ok. I just think we mention it multiple times, what we want. I mean all fans

Unlike BG3 the HL MC has a voice and actually talks!!! 😅

[calm solar]

Having a voice means very little to quality

I'd say even Fallout 4's protagonist Nate/Nora has more depth

[unborn ferry]

But everyone wants it in BG3 😂

[calm solar]

Are you sure it's "everyone"?

Just because people online say so with some following doesn't make it everyone. It's not a top complaint I heard about the game

[unborn ferry]

You have to disagree with everything, don't you?

[jovial fulcrum]

Marie is very agreeable wdym?

[calm solar]

I mean it's a poorly done argument to defend the HL MC as being better just because they have a voice actor?

BG3 MC doesn't speak but their dialogue choices and character lends them to be a proper blank slate protagonist that players can characterise them as good, bad or somewhere in between

They also have better writing quality than HL's MC in terms of dialogue choices

[unborn ferry]

You takes things too seriously bro

[jovial fulcrum]

You cant make that statement after being in a discussion for like an hour 😂

But yes Marie is an extremely seriously-minded individual

She doesnt understand sarcasm either

And her love for sebastian guides her through life

[unborn ferry]

It was meant to be partly a joke 😅 about the voice.

[calm solar]

Stop peddling that fake news

Go back to your wife

[jovial fulcrum]

Tsulala sebastistan 🫵

I DONT HAVE A WIFE

[unborn ferry]

Explains a lot 😂🤣

[calm solar]

Polt would be very sad to hear this

[jovial fulcrum]

Right!? Shes delulu

[calm solar]

Omg fml

I replied to the wrong one

[jovial fulcrum]

Polt would be sad youre a tsulala sebastistan? Interesting...

[calm solar]

You do realise this is a joke right?

[jovial fulcrum]

[jovial fulcrum]

Its not, Ive seen your altar

[unborn ferry]

I do, you apparently don't 😂🤣

[calm solar]

Omg stop accusing me of falsehood

[jovial fulcrum]

SHE LOOOOOOVES SEBBY

[calm solar]

You have a Tesla-mandated catgirl bunker

[jovial fulcrum]

So what are the stances here I aint reading alat

[calm solar]

Bro arguing that HL is better than HP lmao

[jovial fulcrum]

ELON MUSK DIDNT FUND NOFFIN!!

[jovial fulcrum]

Oh lord...

[unborn ferry]

I just said I enjoyed it more 😂

[jovial fulcrum]

I guess it depends on perspective, cause the games were kinda meh, but also, they couldnt really do a whole lot more w em I dont think

But HL IS BANG AVERAGE AT BEST 🗣

[calm solar]

6/10 game

[unborn ferry]

At that I would mind slight changes

[jovial fulcrum]

Real

Its a walking sim with bonus content 🤣

[unborn ferry]

Game yes, but I like the ideas, that can be developed further

[calm solar]

Hogwarts flavoured walking simulator the tech demo*

[jovial fulcrum]

If they arent developed further you cant really take them into account for your opinion on the game as is though

Id have been a-okay calling the game decent/good if the post-launch support was anything more than abysmal

But nooooo