lore

[daring blaze]

Then why in the world is it called a stronghold of ancient magic. I don't get it. I mean ancient magic is like a natural universal force so maybe it was just imbued with it after hundreds of years of being saturated in regular magic.

Good point.

[rare knot]

I know this. None of these claims contradicts that it was built by Ancient Magic. If the HL writers wish to make it a story point, there is nothing stopping them from doing so.

[daring blaze]

Wait. Wasn't ancient magic refered to in jk's books. Wasn't lily's sacrifice categorized as ancient magic?

[random moon]

Because JKR’s Ancient Magic has always been kept vague and unexplained.

Avalanche took the vague concept and created a different, more tangible version of it.

[random moon]

Because JKRs version of ancient magic has always been more vague

The version in HL was created by the devs.

But it’s not canon

[daring blaze]

In the loving sacrifice wiki it does say ancient magic. But I suppose it could just be referring to the magic's age.

[rare knot]

I mean nothing in HL is canon. But since this is a HL server, we can talk about the lore within the context of the game.

And I think it's safe to assume within the logic of HL that the castle was built with Ancient Magic. But I guess it could go either way depending on what the writers/devs want to do with the story.

[daring blaze]

Wait! I found something that suggests ancient magic is canon, and simply expanded upon in this game. In the books it says harry reads dragon hides are reinforced by ancient magic! In the goblet of fire chapter 20.

[random moon]

Yeah ancient magic is canon.

But the version of it we see in Hogwarts Legacy is not.

Ancient magic in the books has always been implied to be a more natural force kind of thing. And is more a blanket term considering the few instances referenced in the books are very differed (Sacrificial protection from love and dragon hide)

But in Hogwarts legacy it’s more tangible and let’s you just create things or alter the weather and very land around you. Or as a weapon.

[daring blaze]

That could be ancient magic directed, used out of experimentation and research like how any structured spells are formed. And we see dumbledore use a form of it I think in the form of the bond of blood charm. Order of the phoenix chapter 37.

[random moon]

I don’t think that was ancient magic. Ancient magic isn more innate or unintentional from what we’ve seen.

And again. The ancient magic in HL was created by the devs. It’s not canon.

So canon wise, Hogwarts wasn’t built with ancient magic and nor could the founders wield it.

[daring blaze]

This is of course all speculation on both our parts. Either could be right. It'd be up to jk to say for sure. But eventually I feel like a worlds canon is no longer up to it's original creator. Once jk dies canon would be decided by whoever inherits the rights to the world.... probably disney lol. You can't use absolutes when we don't know for sure. So, unless we have head on confirmation from rowling we're stuck in a shchroeinger's cat.

Unless we're using guilty without proof of innocence methodology.

[broken hull]

why the heck would disney inherit the rights tho lol

[daring blaze]

I was joking because disney seems to be buying everyone.

[broken hull]

true

common thing nowadays where everyone is buying other companies

[lilac bone]

Does anyone remember how we came to know Prof Fig? Or was it even mentioned in the game?

[violet latch]

Prof Weasley sent him to you to get you up to speed before you get to Hogwarts

[lucid coral]

Yeah he’s like a tutor for new students that are not 1st year students

We never have a scene where the main character gets his acceptance letter or any tutoring classes pre Hogwarts

[boreal shuttle]

As Siren said, the ancient magic in canon is more self-contained and from what we know doesn't seem to be something that can be directly wielded or controlled. So it always seemed like the ancient magic imbued in Hogwarts developed naturally over the centuries as that goes hand in hand with the castle being a sentient "thing", for want of a better word.

HLs approach is way more direct and somewhat inconsistent in both its utilisation and limits. It kinda reminds me of how the Force is portrayed in Star Wars - especially in the EU/Legends - in that way; with it being this grandiose but obscure power that doesn't follow an exact ruleset to put real restrictions on what it can or can't do. This obviously doesn't have to be a bad thing as a lot of magic in canon falls in similar categories, but I feel like the devs could have used the trials and memories to give us a clearer picture - it's possible that they don't yet know how far they want to go with this in future games.

I think there are pros and cons to both approaches but ultimately the lore behind both versions is a bit thin, which is obviously a bigger issue in HL.

[rare knot]

Yeah they really didn't go a very good job at explaining what the red/emotion version of Ancient Magic actually was before we had to make a decision to release it or keep it stored. Also why couldn't we destroy it? I get that it empowers Isidora but seriously lacking on the "why".

Or the how.

Tbh they didn't do a good job of explaining what Ancient Magic is at all beyond "it just is".

Would be really good if we get some sort of origin story for Ancient Magic - how it came about, how and why it's different from regular magic and why it's so rare for people to see it.

[lucid coral]

Ancient magic is a Europe folklore thing. A good amount of Harry Potter is based on established European folklore that JK modernized and adjusted to fit the story. For example, the sorcerers stone is based on the “real life” philosophers stone. Which was actually “created” by the real life alchemist Nicolas Flamel (yes he was a real life person)

Now alchemy and magic stones don’t really work, but back than they thought it was possible

[rare knot]

I know about the Philosopher's Stone being the pinnacle of the old study of Alchemy.

But what connection does the Ancient Magic (as seen in HL) have to European Folklore? They haven't really even defined what it is.

[lucid coral]

Another interesting one is the children story of the The Elves and The Shoemaker. In this story elves help the shoemaker making shoes. Until one day as thanks the shoemaker wife leaves clothes for the elves. Once the elves see the clothing they put it on and say they look so nice they shouldn’t have to work anymore as laborers. JK clearly based the Harry Potter house elf and clothing thing on that story

[lucid coral]

It’s what they called old nature/natural magic like what pre-Christians practiced

[rare knot]

If that's the route they are going with then they really needed to ground it in that Folklore. The game made no connection between Ancient Magic and what the pre-Christians practiced. The flashbacks are set in the Tudor Period.

[random moon]

Pretty sure she based them of folklore about creatures calked “brownies” (occasionally also House Elves) a type of Faerie that would tidy the home at night when the humans living there were asleep in exchange for offerings of food.

But if clothing was offered instead the Brownies would take offence and leave forever

[lucid coral]

If I remember correctly she (forget the characters name right now) accessed ancient magic like the main character does. I don’t think they were saying she invented ancient magic. At least that wasn’t my take on the situation

[random moon]

As she based the magical creatures on various British folklore and European folklore

[lucid coral]

You are correct. The children story is based on the brownies story. Most ppl know of the children story tho. That’s why i mentioned it first

[rare knot]

I never implied Isidora invented Ancient Magic? She crafted a spell that siphoned emotions from individuals and that particular form of Ancient Magic (with the red hue) is something she seems to have invented. At the very least, Rackham states that he has not seen Ancient Magic look like that (after Isidora performs her spell).

But any explanation as to the origins of Ancient Magic overall is never offered, nor any implication that it connects to pre-Christian practices (unless I missed something).

[lucid coral]

I don’t think we got enough details to know

[rare knot]

That's my point

[valid glacier]

Ok so I have a question.

Did Harry Potter get the lightning bolt scar on his head because Voldemort cast Avada Kedavra on him and he was somehow able to survive without dying?

Or did he just somehow get lucky?

[novel nimbus]

Exactly. There's a bit more to it, I feel it be "spoiler material though"

[grave shard]

😭

voldemort cast avada kedavra on harry but the spell rebounded because harry was protected by his mothers sacrifice

i thought this was common knowledge they say it in the movie about 5 times

[lucid coral]

Fact. Harry was the first and only person to be loved by someone prior to Voldemort casting avada kedavra

[lucid coral]

Interestingly the shape of the scar is the same wand movement that is used to cast the killing curse

[rare knot]

It's a little more complicated. It's more that Lily would have otherwise been spared and willing sacrificed herself in Harry' place that triggered the protection. But again - seem odd that it is the first time something like that has happened.

[lucid coral]

“You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. -Wayne Gretzky / -Michael Scott”
-Voldemort

[random moon]

I’m pretty sure that’s just a fun Easter egg on the part of thej devs. Like a fun nod to the famous scar.

There was never really a described wand movement in the books

Just “point want, green light, dead”

[lucid coral]

On the HarryPotter fandom wiki it lists the movement. They look like runes. It’s similar to the Universe Studios wand movements

I don’t think Universal Studios has the killing curse at the park, but the fandom wiki does

[valid glacier]

Yeah I know nothing about Harry Potter lore but I just figured I’d ask this after learning the Avada Kedavra spell in HL.

[lucid coral]

The fact Harry survived is one of the reasons he is so famous as a young boy. No one ever survived the killing curse before, not to mention after Voldemort used it on Harry; when Harry was a baby. Voldemort than disappeared. This is why Harry is called “the boy who survived”. He literally survived the killing curse

The scar is like proof that the curse was used on him (this last part kinda doesn’t make sense as the curse doesn’t leave any marks, but it looks like the rune movement for the killing curse. So I guess that’s why ppl recognize it as proof that the curse was used on baby Harry)

[valid glacier]

I didn’t know it was because his mom saved him though. That’s lame. I was kind of hoping he had some kind of special property about him or something.

[lucid coral]

There kinda is. The reason Voldemort was even there is because there was a prophecy that a baby born on the day Harry was born would defeat Voldemort.

Funny story about that. Harry and Neville Longbottom were both born on the same day/time. So either one could have be the choose one for the prophecy to defeat Voldemort. Voldemort had a 50/50 choice and went to kill Harry. If I remember correctly death eaters went to the Longbottoms

I think it was suggested that the Potters were a more impressive family than the Longbottoms. So Potters made more sense to Voldemort

[daring spire]

I think it was because Harry was a half-blood like voldi so voldi went after him and not Neville

[lucid coral]

I’m down with that also.

[daring spire]

I mean considering that he „cared“ so much about Severus because he saw himself in him its very much possible. He weird like that. Little narcissist

[lucid coral]

This topic did make me think of something tho. How did anyone know the killing curse was used on Harry lore wise? I know he had the scar, but no one else ever had a scar and if no one witnessed the attack. Wouldn’t it be more logically to think Voldemort only used the curse on Harry’s parents and not in Harry himself?

Unless the scar was glowing green for several hours or something

[tiny flower]

Can someone please tell me when a Goshawk patronus symbolizes and is it good?

[lucid coral]

Ambition

Very slytherin

[tiny flower]

Then it’s my kind of patronus

[tiny flower]

Is it a common one?

[lucid coral]

Only magical are uncommon, but don’t think of it that way. If ambition is important to YOU what does it matter how common it is. Ex. If pizza is my favorite food. What does it matter if it’s not high society. I don’t want escargot. I want pizza!

[valid glacier]

Half blood? What’s the other half?

[woven notch]

Muggle.

James Potter (Harry's dad) was from a pureblood family—magical as far back as you care to go—but Lily Evans (Harry's mom) was from a muggle family. That's why her sister (Aunt Petunia) doesn't have magic.

[valid glacier]

I'm so confused. What does pureblood mean?

[lucid coral]

Both parents are wizards/witches

[valid glacier]

Wait so wizards have different blood than muggles?

[lucid coral]

DNA trait or something

They don’t go into the science of it

[modern moth]

Rather than blood, it's more on magical abilities. Obviously, it goes back through the whole wizarding history, but basically pureblood: everyone from bloodline who can perform magic; muggles: normies, not from the wizarding world, no one in their bloodline does magic; half-blood: to put it simply, pureblood + muggle marriage; muggleborn: born into muggle/non-magic family, but can do magic (e.g. Hermione)

Opposite of muggleborn is a squib: born into wizarding family, but can't do magic

[valid glacier]

Wow, this took a dark turn towards eugenics. 👀

[modern moth]

Pureblood? Yep. It's somewhat like how royals practice inbreeding for that kind of purity.

[mint warren]

That’s what happened to the Gaunt family after all.

[modern moth]

And that's the reason why pureblood supremacists are always the villains in the series.

[modern moth]

Exactly. Wasn't Voldemort's uncle a prime example of that?

[mint warren]

Yup, Ominis’s blindness is likely a genetic disorder born from inbreeding.

And this makes sense given where Rowling came from. In Britain blood lineage matter most as far as status in concerned. So Pureblood status is something Rowling would’ve been familiar in witnessing.

[modern moth]

Now that you mention it, it makes sense.

The Weasleys are probably the healthiest long line of mostly pureblood we've seen tbh.

[lucid coral]

Another thing to note is there aren’t really any true muggle borns. Even if both parents are muggle, all that means is at some point one of their ancestors was a wizard/witch and the magic traits were dormant. Possibly for generation. Kinda makes the whole ant-muggle born movement stupid. All muggle born are in a way half bloods (if you think about it)

[modern moth]

Like a recessive gene then. Interesting.

For those not familiar with the whole blood status, both ends of the extremes have been shown. Pureblood & wizarding supremacists trying to rule over muggles vs. muggles having historically killed wizards & witches (Salem Witch Trials is canon)

[lucid coral]

I have a story question about the Harry Potter series. In the sorcerer stone, we learn in the end that Snape was not the villain and he tried to save Harry and opposed the guy who was possessed by Voldemort (forgot the professor name) and was clearly anti-Voldemort. So why did Voldemort trust Snape later on. Did Voldemort forget everything Snape did in sorcerers stone?

Like Voldemort clearly witnessed everything Snape did. And even knew that it was Snape that stopped Voldemort from having Harry fall off his broom during the first quidditch match

[mint warren]

Voldemort never truly trusted Snape, it's just that he was more trusting that Snape's grudge against Harry's father was more prevalent.

[lucid coral]

Idk in deadly hallows Snape was like Voldemort right hand man

[mint warren]

Yes, because by that point Snape had already done, and overseen, many atrocities that Voldemort had done.

[lucid coral]

But how did it ever get to that point? The events of sorcerers stone should have been enough to make Voldemort not ever trust Snape (no longer give Snape a chance)

[mint warren]

By that point Snape was still just a teacher, and Voldemort hadn't truly revealed himself yet. Once Voldemort had been fully released, and Snape had become a true double agent, that's when he started "revealing his true colors" to Voldemort.

We also don't see a whole lot of what goes on in the Death Eater side of things. Snape is a very cunning and manipulative individual, so the idea that he could sneak his way into being Voldemort's second in command isn't unfeasible.

[lucid coral]

Rewatch sorcerers stone. Specifically the scene where Snape talks with Quirrell while Harry is wearing the invisibility cloak and the end battle where Quirrell/Voldemort reveals they were the villain and Snape was trying to stop them

It’s just too much. It’s clear that Voldemort knew Snape opposed him

They are both on YouTube

[mint warren]

Well then apparently Snape killing Dumbledore is enough to make up for him opposing Voldemort at one point.

[lucid coral]

I totally get that Snape killing Dumbledore is huge. But before that happened Snape was working with the death eaters (undercover). Voldemort should have told the death eaters to kill Snape on sight. Right?

[mint warren]

The Death Eaters are also opportunistic and cunning. Voldemort understood this, which is why he didn't fully trust any of them. While we sadly can't say we have an in depth look to give you the answers you're looking for, we can look at how Voldemort acts and his general philosophies to come to certain conclusions.

Snape was the only Death Eater to infiltrate the castle and kill Dumbledore. He was loyal to Dumbledore once, but then betrayed him because joining with Voldemort became more valuable and tempting. Therefore, while Voldemort may not have every truly trusted Snape, he understood that Snape had reason to join him, and he would've made a much more useful ally than enemy.

[lucid coral]

Do the books say that Voldemort viewed betrayal as a “good thing”. Kinda like how in Star Wars the sith kinda like it that the lesser sith wants to kill the greater one?

Kinda just like dark side stuff

[mint warren]

Voldemort's philosophies are similar to the Sith. He seeks power for power's sake. He also heavily values Slytherin values. Ambition, cunning, determination. To him, a servant who is willing to betray his own master for the sake of his own goals is far more useful than a corpse.

[lucid coral]

I’m down with that story wise than

Thank you

Ehh it’s still problematic that Voldemort knew Snape protected Harry by preventing Harry from falling off the broom during the quidditch match. Voldemort even specifically says he knew Snape was blocking Voldemort curse spell. It’s very good guyish if Snape

Overall I’m ok with it tho

[mint warren]

Well it's better to keep someone who still has uses whom you can't trust closer to you. In all fairness though, most Slytherins will be the first to admit that Voldermort's plans weren't all that smart. He was beyond ambitious, but he wasn't very clever.

Let me put it like this: Voldemort's main plan was to unite all the Slytherins who joined the House for their juvenile edgelord fantasies. For the most part...not a smart plan. lol

[lucid coral]

I was disappointed in deadly hallows how all the slytherin students were ordered to be locked in their room as none were willing to fight against Voldemort. One thing HL got right is show not all slytherin are evil

[mint warren]

Yeah, sadly the Slytherin house in the books was more of a way for Rowling to vent her frustrations regarding the snooty upper crust kids from her childhood.

[lucid coral]

Not to mention that Draco should have turned face and fought on Harry’s side in the end instead of leaving during the final battle. Draco was so lined up to do a turn to begin a “good” guy

Having Draco help Harry would also cemented the importance of why Draco not killing Dumbledore and becoming evil is important story wise. Like it could be used to show that Dumbledore was right and knew what he was doing in sacrificing himself so Draco wouldnt have to kill him

[boreal shuttle]

He really wasn't. Draco's entire arc is all about self-preservation and him realising what life under Voldemort's rule actually means.

He was never truly evil, but he was still always a coward and a bad person. An act as courageous as willingly putting is life on the line wouldn't have been in line with his character development.

[boreal shuttle]

That's the important part: Snape opposed Quirrell, not Voldemort. The latter never revealed himself to Snape in the first book/film.

This is actually something Bellatrix confronts Snape with early on in the HBP book, and Snape's response basically comes down to him having to stop Quirrell to keep Dumbledore's trust and that he would have assisted him had he known what was truly happening.

[boreal shuttle]

To give you a more accurate answer than the ones you were provided with: A Pure-blood is someone with multiple generations of magical blood on both sides of the family. As an example: if one of Harry's children has a child with a Pure-blood and that child would go on to have a child of their own with yet another Pure-blood, that child would be the first of Harry's direct descendants to be considered Pure-blood as well, with Lily's Muggle heritage basically taking a backseat because of multiple generations of "pure blood".

Then you also have the Sacred Twenty-Eight who were, at least according to the author of the Pure-Blood Directory, twenty-eight Pure-blood families that were truly pure with no Muggle blood whatsoever - which is obviously extremely unlikely at best.

[timid helm]

And that kind of purity is what destroyed the big mighty Spanish empire. Charles II, known as the Bewitched because of his obvious genetic deformation, was not able to have descendants and half of Europe fought against the other half to inherit the throne, in the end France winning the war, but having to divide and cede most of their Spanish European lands to Austria and other European nations. And the Americas started to revolt against Spain as they didn’t want a French king. It’s funny if you think about it. Their obsession with royal purity became their doom.

[valid glacier]

Wait, Harry has children?

[timid helm]

Three in particular. Only one is shown in the last movie.

[boreal shuttle]

They're all shown but two of them don't really get mentioned in the film, yeah. James Sirius, Albus Severus (bless the poor kid) and Lily Luna.

[normal quiver]

It feels like Ginny had no saying on those names whatsoever

[timid helm]

😂

Albus Severus is such an ugly name, poor kid

I would have expected Ginny would name one of his kids after his late brother

One of the twins that died

[boreal shuttle]

"Actually Harry, how about..."
"How about Rubeus Remus Minerva for the fourth one, Gin?!?"

[normal quiver]

Exactly! The poor girl was stripped of all her rights

[boreal shuttle]

I get what JKR was trying to achieve but yes, it's a horrible name.

And Fred definitely should have been immortalised in the form of a middle name for one of the boys, agreed.

[modern moth]

Spanish empire, then I'm guessing the infamous Habsburg jaw. Makes you wonder if the parallel extends into the wizarding world as well & that's why so many of these purebloods are so messed up in the heads, kind of like Joffrey in GoT.

[lucid coral]

Even if everyone agreed that Snape didn’t know Voldemort was still alive and that Snape was openly defying Voldemort. Snape still actively tried to save Harry by preventing Harry from falling off the broom, and Voldemort is aware of this. Snape tries to save Harry! What level of mental gymnastics must Voldemort preform to think that was an acceptable thing for Snape to do?

[lucid coral]

Your last sentence is the issue. Draco doesn’t develop. In the way way end 19 years later he seems like he might have reformed in a way, but he was all setup to turn face. And it would have worked with why Dumbledore didn’t want Draco to be the one that kills him and have Draco turn evil. Granted Dumbledore wouldn’t want any of his students to turn evil, but Draco changing in the final battle would have helped to show the importance of Dumbledore “philosophy”. It basic good writing. Long time nemesis of the protagonist that isn’t totally evil teams up with protagonist to fight the greater evil. What would have made the most sense is Draco’s dad about to attack Harry in a sneaky way (hit from behind or something) and Draco does some sort of knock back spell on his dad. Not really hurting his dad but stopping him. It would have show Draco developing and becoming his own man and not living in his fathers shadow. Its really just basic western writing. The scene writes itself. Camera focus on Draco dad coming from behind. A blast from off camera knock Draco’s dad back. Harry looks to see who it was. Camera focuses on Draco holding his wand.

[lucid coral]

I think we see all three. Two boys and a girl right? The only one that has a real speaking role is the new first year

[timid helm]

Oh! Is that so? It’s been so long I don’t even remember. 😅 In that case I stand corrected

[lucid coral]

They focus on James as he is about to start his first year (kinda mirroring Harry’s start)

[sullen moth]

Draco is just like ominis in so many ways lol

[lucid coral]

I kinda like Ominis more lol. He’s a cool character

[boreal shuttle]

Snape's entire argument as a spy and double agent was that he did everything he could to not lose Dumbledore's trust and to strengthen his position in Hogwarts, all for the eventuality of Voldemort's return - letting Harry die when he was in a position to prevent that from happening would have been... counterproductive, to say the least.

[boreal shuttle]

Characters can have development without doing a complete 180 and Draco most definitely had character development, especially from HBP onwards. In his youth and pretty much all the way up to Voldemort's return he revelled in his status, his supposed superiority and he pushed and taunted his peers on a level that went far beyond standard schoolyard bullying. He worshipped his father and the position Lucius had in Voldemort's ranks, all the while wishing that Harry had never stopped him.

After Voldemort's return and especially when he was given the mission to kill Dumbledore, Draco started becoming disillusioned with life under Voldemort's rule, because he realised what it actually entailed: instead of his romanticised vision of Pure-blood pride and supremacy, he was confronted with fear, servitude and the realisation that he wasn't actually capable of performing the acts that he used to taunt others with. He was humbled, completely and utterly.

All of the above still didn't magically turn him into a good person, or someone who has it in him to act as selflessly and bravely as he would have needed to for a redemption. Nothing we've seen from Draco in the books had any build-up towards him redeeming himself and it honestly would have felt completely disconnected from his overall characterisation.

[boreal shuttle]

They focus on Albus, in both the book and the film. James is going into his third year in the epilogue.

[blazing cargo]

hot take, draco is only popular because the actor is attractive. if he wasn’t played by tom felton he would be overly disliked

[boreal shuttle]

I'm 99% sure that this is the case, yes. That and Draco isn't as nasty in the films in general.

[blazing cargo]

book draco is icky @boreal shuttle

[boreal shuttle]

I remember JKR stating in an interview that she was slightly unnerved about him being so popular with young girls and that she "blames" Tom Felton for it. That really says it all lol.

[modern moth]

are harry's parents powerful? didnt read the books, so im curious. are they powerful or are they only famous for being harry's parents?

[peak karma]

Nah i read the book jamber of secrets

[modern moth]

oh ok thanks.

[boreal shuttle]

They were definitely powerful and extremely talented. After all they "defied" Voldemort three times before that fateful Halloween night. Voldemort also asked both of them to join him, which is pretty huge when you think about it.
James was a Transfiguration genius who managed to become an Animagus as a 5th year and Lily was a Potions prodigy.

[random moon]

They were both pretty skilled. Lilly was part of the Slug Club in her youth iirc and Slughorn only collected those he considered the best.

James and his friends learned how to become Animagi and succeeded. He was also a highly skilled Seeker.

[boreal shuttle]

And of course James was involved in the creation of the Marauder's Map, which to this day remains one of, if not the most impressive feat of magic we see in canon.

[modern moth]

i see. thanks guys

[lucid coral]

You are correct. I thought it was James. I got the sons mixed up

[modern moth]

Wasn't James also pretty good at potiosn? Iirc, his dad was a famous potioneer & he's a descendant of a few well known potioneers as well.

[tiny flower]

Can someone fully explain a patronus to me?

Like what is it’s purpose once casted? I remember Snape casting his patronus, what it’s purpose at the time? I know to show his love for lily but how

[vivid pier]

a patronus is like a force of pure positive energy. that makes it a strong shield against things that try to remove happiness or positivity, like dementors which is why they are basically the only shield-type charm that works against dementors. You have to summon a patronus by summoning and re-feeling a particularly positive memory. they've also been shown to be able to act as long distance communication devices (can send a message through a patronus). It takes a form that changes from wizard to wizard, it can change as you do. Snape's patronus being a doe is meant to be a mirror to Lily's, which was also a doe. It's possible this is partially a result of his happy memory being about her but that last bit is my speculation.

[tiny flower]

I figured as much but that just makes it even more tragic.

[vivid pier]

:\ it really shows how much he still carried her around in his heart. I don't think the depths of that sadness hit me until I grew up a bit.

[tiny flower]

I never saw the movies as a kid but I heard that you hate snape as a kid but learn to love him as an adult

[random moon]

I find the fact that Patronuses can change to be interesting. We’ve seen it happen with thing like finding love

Like Tonks’ Patronus changing to a Wolf after she fell for Lupin, to match his.

[vivid pier]

oof, very true. it really hits the sweet spot of "the experiences of my youth were not just frivolous passing moments" and "I grew to be a better person for them". Like he held on just tight enough to them that he was able to be a force for good like she would've loved to see in him, even though he wouldn't gain anything from it at that point (and actually would probably end up suffering for it both from the Order and Death Eaters for different reasons). Mm, rambling over.

*rambling about snape over.

I also like that it's canonically difficult to summon a patronus. From my understanding, humans tend to store and hang on to negativity more easily than positivity (probably as a learning mechanism).

[tiny flower]

Oh that’s just fact lol

[rare knot]

Tbh he was still a terrible person, despite having some redeeming qualities.

[mint warren]

I think it's more that you come to understand and empathize with him. As a child, we're often much more optimistic or hopeful about the future. As adults, after we've made mistakes and witnessed cruelty first hand, we become more cynical about other people. That's kinda what Snape goes through. He starts off hopeful, but due to being bullied and losing those he loves, he becomes more antagonistic towards our hero (which is understandable given what Harry's father did to him)

[timid helm]

Guys is Confringo an “evil” spell or not? I keep reading people saying it is, but everyone in the game (lore characters such as Prof. Fig) is using it just like another normal spell. What am I missing?

[mint warren]

Confringo, being a long ranged fire spell, is primarily used for offensive purposes, but it's main use is similar to Incendio. It has uses outside of harming other people.

[vivid pier]

"evil" is subjective, so. Beyond that, in game it definitely isn't formally taught at Hogwarts, as ||Sebastian describes it as a "forbidden spell" and calls it by its full name (The Blasting Curse). He says, "Professors say it's not an appropriate spell to teach students."||

[timid helm]

That’s the thing though

I don’t understand what’s the fuss about Confringo

Especially when everybody seems to be using it as a normal spell

[mint warren]

Confringo is mostly used to destroy objects from long distance. Think of it like dynamite. It has it's uses, but what the hell are you doing giving a student dynamite?

[timid helm]

And yet we’re taught Bombarda?

And why is it considered a “curse”?

[mint warren]

Bombarda is more of a defensive spell, and despite how it's used in game, bombarda is just a concussive blast. It'll hurt them, but it won't actually blow them up.

[timid helm]

Oh

[vivid pier]

Sebastian also seems to imply it's (confringo) hard to master and dangerous because of how easy it is to mess up if not properly trained. Perhaps Bombarda is more easily controllable

[mint warren]

As for why Confrigo is a "curse." That's primarily due to how it's most popularly used. Spells are only labeled as "curses" if their primary use is to deal harm. A curse isn't inherently evil in the HP universe, but it does mean that you won't learn it unless you intended to hurt someone with it.

[timid helm]

That makes sense

[mint warren]

But this also goes into the Unforgivable Curses, Confrigo is a "forgivable curse" because it has other uses and isn't inherently lethal. Whereas Avada Kadavra and Crucio have no other use outside of murdering or torturing someone.

And it should also be noted that we are using terms that are defined by the British Ministry of Magic. This may not apply to every wizard across the world.

[timid helm]

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining 🤗

[boreal shuttle]

It was probably also a narrative choice because aside from the Unforgivables Confringo is the most controversial curse we can learn in the game - so it kind of works as a soft introduction into darker magic. But yeah, it's not too bad in the grand scheme of things.

The Dark Forest is just another name for the Forbidden Forest, they're the same - the former term has never actually been used in canon though iirc.

[young juniper]

His descendant yes

[steel fractal]

which hogwarts house do you guys think probably smokes the most weed? I know it never really comes up in the lore unless you want to reinterpret some things lol

[mint warren]

Hufflepuff likely. They're the ones with the best herbologists.

[lucid coral]

Yes

[lucid coral]

Ron did always have the munchies…

The great hall would be a dangerous place too much food at once

[random moon]

I think that was always just a faint reference to the fact he had a bunch of siblings and lived in a pretty poor family.

He’s used to fighting his brothers for food lol

[lucid coral]

Yeah. I was just joking. They were all too young to do any of that stuff anyway.

[rancid rapids]

tbh i think the wizardly world would have its own version of uhh...that LOL , orrrr....weed comes from the wizarding world ;D haha

[tiny flower]

Yes just ignore that wrong channel

[modern moth]

Where could I get the quiz in the game

[mint warren]

Are you asking about the House quiz?

[modern moth]

yeah

[mint warren]

You do that on the Pottermore website and then connect it to your game account.

[daring blaze]

If confringo is a curse that's grayer on the moral scale what about bombarda? While bombarda isn't a fiery blast, it's more concussive force and could be used for stuff like blast mining given the inca tation it sounds like it was developed for warfare. Bombardment warefare.

And the bombarda is called a charm, the exploding charm. And confringo is called the blasting curse. Idk.

[mint warren]

Well you just answered your own question there. It’s a concussive force. Therefore it’s not meant to do real physical damage. Gameplay mechanics aside, bombarda is more used as a way for someone to do a quick escape from someone else. It won’t kill them and it’ll do mild damage at most. Now, should you use it on an explosive then yes, it’ll do a lot more damage, but that would be advised against since that’s obviously dangerous.

So the way the Ministry of Magic would see it, bombarda is no more harmful than incendio. It can be used to hurt others, but that’s not really it’s greater purpose.

[daring blaze]

Concusive force can kill. A grenade is only half shrapnel. The other half is concusive force.

[mint warren]

You’re thinking of it like a grenade when it’s more like a very intense popper. It’ll knock someone back, and the fall may kill them, but the blast isn’t what’s gonna do any real harm.

[daring blaze]

If we take a look at it's effects in movies and books it's very clearly lethal. When umbrige used it to blaat a damn concrete wall that looked a footh thick? Are you telling me if your hit with that you'd survive?

And in the wicky it does say explosion. Explosions of almost all kinds cankill.

[mint warren]

What I’m saying is that how people use spells isn’t the same as what the spells are officially used for. We’re talking about how old British men discern legal spells from illegal spells. They’re not always going to make sense, but the reason a student would learn bombarda is due to the fact that it’s assumed the teachers are teaching them how to use it responsibly as a self defense spell. Not what an RPG protagonist would use it for.

[daring blaze]

Very good point. You are right. What I find most funny is it's taught in your fourth year. It's particularly dangerous so I kinda expected you learn it in 6th or seventh year. Kinda funny giving hormonal 15 year olds artillery.

[mint warren]

In all fairness you’re also teaching a bunch of teenagers how to teleport, blend in, transform into objects, and travel into pocket dimensions. I’m fairly certain trust in teenager responsibility went out the window a long time ago.

[daring blaze]

Lmao. Good point. Sebastian being a good example.

[boreal shuttle]

That's not canon. Bombarda doesn't actually work like that - in fact, the entire spell is non-canon to begin with, unless you really want to argue that it being mentioned in Cursed Child counts.

And because of it being non-canon, the spell is somewhat inconsistent in how its effects and limits are portrayed.

[daring blaze]

Chapter 21 in the prisoner of azkaban books.

[daring blaze]

And again in the order of the phoenix I believe chapter 20.

Ope. Wait. I was wrong. You are absolutely right.

However the hp films are canon I thought.

Didn't jk participate in them?

Hmm. Oh well.

[boreal shuttle]

She basically had creative control and a certain number of things she could veto and yes, she was undoubtedly involved and consulted, but she didn't supervice production or the script.

Aside from that it's also important to note that most spells are capable of destroying solid, non-magical objects - even Stupefy destroyed part of the Fountain of Magical Brethren in OotP when Harry used it against Bellatrix. So without direct canon examples it's extremely hard to say how even the most seemingly destructive spells, like Reducto, would work when used against a living being.

[daring blaze]

I would assume their affect would correspond to the purpose of a spell. The ruductor curse was blasts solid objects to pieces, often to ash or dust. So I would assume if used on a living being it would be like being cremated.

Since it's called te reductor curse I assume it was made for the purposes of harming. Other than removing obstacles perhaps I don't see to many uses for it.

What I would like to know if the area shielding charm like the one they used in the battle of hogwarts could stop ballistic missles or even a nuclear weapon.

[boreal shuttle]

The purpose of Stupefy is to simply stun and render someone unconscious without inflecting direct physical harm. If what you're saying were true it should simply bounce off of solid objects, yet we know that this isn't the case.

Ultimately the very essence of a spell is the important part, which is why Arithmancy should have played a bigger role in the story imo.

e.g. Reducto, when used on a person, should realistically seriously hurt them at most, since using it against one doesn't coincide with the intention behind the spell and its creation.

[daring blaze]

I suppose all spells, no matter the purpose they are created for, are still manipulated by the intent of the wizard. So a spells effect on something can be bent from the original created effect.

[boreal shuttle]

We really have no evidence of that being the case though, and plenty of evidence of spells having different or diminished effects when not used for their intended purpose.

That being said, this is ultimately still guesswork based on circumstantial evidence.

[fossil shell]

ron was just on the good cush all the time tbh

[coarse sparrow]

I feel bad for anyone who thinks they know everything about the wizarding world until Sophronia Franklin quizzes them

[blazing cargo]

i was panicking

[tiny flower]

At that moment, if I knew the killing curse, I’d of used it.

[novel nimbus]

Omg right!? The first set, easy. The next few, I was like girl where are you reading this info because I need it too

[boreal shuttle]

I consider myself ridiculously knowledgable about WW lore and I still had to guess twice in the last round. So yeah, those questions were tough.

[random moon]

Same lol

But I was happy to learn some new things. Always happy for more lore even if it’s vague and lesser known

[fluid steppe]

is it just me that thought the half blood prince movie was like, offensively bad? playing this game is reminding me of my childhood and its like, oh yeah, that movie was 💩 but am i crazy? i recall it being a bad romcom in lieu of voldemort backstory

[boreal shuttle]

Definitely not just you, HBP is my least favourite film. Riddle's backstory is stripped down to a ridiculous degree and Harry & Ginny's relationship makes zero sense, not to mention that Daniel Radcliffe and Bonnie Wright had pretty much no chemistry whatsoever - to be fair to Radcliffe though, Wright is just a bad actress in general and movie Ginny basically had no personality.

[lucid coral]

Why did Voldemort have a nose when he was on the back of Quirrell head in the Sorcerer Stone?

Never mind apparently in the book he did not have a nose even when he was on Quirrell head

[fluid steppe]

Cheers

[coarse sparrow]

Voldemort, one of the most powerful wizards my ass
Can’t even beat a high school kid who barely knew magic 🤦‍♂️

[daring spire]

It’s the plot armor lol

Jk Harry’s actually got a good explanation for once lmao

[lucid coral]

I heard the issue with HBP movie is the book is so long it should have been two movies

[mint warren]

Deathly Hallows is two movies.

[random moon]

Same with OotP

And Goblet of Fire to a degree

So much goid stuff was cut or felt very Devs ex Machina because they couldn’t properly build up certain bits and just had things work out by sheer coincidence

[lucid coral]

The first time I watched GOF I didn’t like it. In a way it is not connected to the overall story about Voldemort (obviously not including the ending). After rewatching it recently. I liked it much more. It’s kinda like a side story in a way.

I kinda view GOF as it’s own mini story

What’s everyone’s favorite movie? Prisoner of Azkaban?

[random moon]

It’s certainly mine

Just had a style that really worked for it.

[daring spire]

Also I personally think it flowed better than the book. The book had a few pages of just exposition which ugh. The movie left them out which gave it a better flow but unfortunately the info was still kinda important like the marauders one

[random moon]

Yeah it was the perfect balance of cutting bits out for the different medium while also remaining faithful to the books and flowing better

[daring spire]

Yessssssssss

[random moon]

And not feeling like everything is just dropped conveniently into Harry’s lap. And everything just happened right after another

The book had too much in it for just one fiommimo.

The Maze was supposed to be the penultimate challenge but it went by so quickly and built up zero tension or really had Harry do anything beyond stop Krum and get to the Cup with Cedric.

Like in the book he finds a dementor that’s actually a boggart. He tries Expecto Patronus first but it doesn’t affect the dementor correctly. So he them figures out it’s a boggart and uses the right spell.

Or the Sphinx and it’s riddle. The boom made the Maze way more interesting and tense and appropriate for a final challenge to put their skills to the test,

I think it actually had the shortest screen time of all the three trials lol

[daring spire]

I am still not over how dumbledore in the movie says that there are no monsters in the maze and I just- HOW COULD YOU

Also Harry seeing pettigrews name on the map was a nice addition I think

[random moon]

Yeah like “oh so it’s just a normal maze then? This is the final trial and it’s just a regular hedge maze with extra steps? No real challenge or test of skill or knowledge”

[lucid coral]

I know what you mean. It’s legitimately a good movie. Even if a person doesn’t like Harry Potter. It’s a good movie

[random moon]

Even as a stand alone. If it was the only HP film you ever saw it gives you everything you’d need without it being an exposition dump. It’s clear and coherent and just flows so well

[blazing blade]

So lore wise does everyone get their own room of requirement?

[random moon]

Like… do all the other students?

No the RoR isn’t exactly known by a lot of students. It has very particular requirements for it to appear and the room iit is when a person enters is a room for the exact thing they need.

There’s a room full of vials for those that need extra vials.

[blazing blade]

Oh

[dapper lark]

I’m not sure other people can use the room for a different purpose while someone else is in there.

[lucid coral]

It’s true most ppl don’t know about the room, but unless I’m mistaken. You just have to walk by it twice wanting to find the same thing both times. With that in mind it’s surprising more ppl don’t find it.

[blazing blade]

So avarah kadavarah (sorry if I spelled it horribly wrong) causes instantaneous death right?

Would it effect the undead like ghosts, poltergeists, vampires ect?

[lucid coral]

For example if I remember correctly. The books/movies made a joke that if someone was looking for a bathroom and walked by the hallway twice, both time’s looking for the bathroom. The room would appear. I know it’s a joke, but how did that not happen to like half the students and staff at Hogwarts

[lucid coral]

Poltergeist were never alive. The others I would presume they would be dead, unless there’s some specific lore about something specific with one of those guys you mentioned

Maybe not ghosts tho

[blazing blade]

Can poltergeists and ghosts cast spells? Or do you need to be alive to cast them?

[lucid coral]

Yeah. Probably not ghosts the more I think about it

[lucid coral]

Poltergeist can do poltergeists stuff. Not sure about casting spell, but they can move objects and create things.

I don’t think we ever see a ghost cast magic… interesting question tho

[blazing blade]

Hmm

So what are the set requirements for a creature to be able to perform magic then?

Cause what I’m curious on is whether it’d be a smart idea for a wizard to become a poltergeist/ghost to gain immunity from the killing curse

[lucid coral]

Help me understand something about the first part of your question. When you say perform magic. Are you only referring to the type of magic one would learn from a place like Hogwarts? The reason I ask is because Diriclaw (a magically bird that looks like the real life dodo bird) has the ability to disappear when threatened. And the Diriclaw did not learn that from Hogwarts or anything. Do you consider the Diriclaw as an example of something that performs magic or no?

[blazing blade]

I guess that counts as magic so let me re-word my question… can poltergeists or ghosts cast spells like wizards can?

[lucid coral]

Poltergeist like the Diriclaw have their own abilities. Also, poltergeist in the Harry Potter universe are NOT ghost. IE. They were never alive and died. Poltergeist in the Harry Potter word are a physical manifestation of powerful emotions (or something like that). At Hogwarts the poltergeist Peeves is a physical manifestation of years of students playing pranks and well just being kids. As such, for some reason all that stuff slowly built up until it turned into Peeves. There was never anyone named Peeves that fell out of a window at Hogwarts or something, died and came back as a poltergeist

Ghosts on the other hand were once ppl that died and came back as ghosts. As far as I remember. No ghost casts spells. It’s an interesting question tho. My guess is they cannot as if they could Voldemort wouldn’t have needed to go down the path of creating horcruxes. In theory if ghosts in the Harry Potter universe could cast the same spells they learned when they were alive. Voldemort wouldn’t have cared about ever dying IMO

Your question made me wonder more about Harry Potters lore on ghosts. After some quick searching I learned the following which I will share as I thought it was interesting.

1. Ghost can only come from wizard/witches that died. Muggles cannot become ghosts. 2. Only wizards/witches can see ghost. Muggles can’t see ghosts. 3. Ghosts cannot learn anything new (I don’t quit get what this means, but apparently it has to do with them no longer really existing. The main point is being a ghost in the Harry Potter universe is not like just continuing your life after death. A ghost is somehow “stuck” in that they can’t advance beyond what they were before they died)

[raven cave]

Ghosts not being able to learn seems entirely false

[lucid coral]

I got it from the wizarding world site.

Pottermore

[raven cave]

Unless the major ghosts in the story are exempt, that just doesn't make sense

How would any of the house ghosts for example be able to learn of the affairs of students and remember who they are, even after many years have passed

Helena ravenclaw even reads books and takes notes while binns is a whole professor

[lucid coral]

I don’t entirely get what it means, but it has to do with them being stuck. An example they use is that Nearly Headless Nick will always be aggravating about being nearly headless. You can’t change his mind about it. (Again, I don’t entirely get what they mean, but it’s apparently the lore we are stuck with until Harry Potter becomes public domain…)

When I read it. My first though was does that mean it’s impossible for a ghost to learn how to use an iPhone (if they died before the iPhone existed)? Or that it’s impossible to teach a ghost a new language? I agree it doesn’t make much sense to me, but I’m not a ghost in the Harry Potter universe… maybe if I was it would make sense

Also in Deadly Hallows, Harry clearly reasons with Helena Ravenclaw and gets her to change her mind about give him the location of the tiara… so yeah… this doesn’t make much sense…

[fluid steppe]

if voldemort was a ravenclaw he'd have made a random ass rock a horcrux and thrown it into the boonies somehwere and been immortal js

[boreal shuttle]

Riddle was smarter than 99.999% of Ravenclaws, he was also incredibly vain and arrogant.

JKR could have easily made it so that only objects with personal significance to the caster can be turned into Horcruxes but she chose not to, to further highlight Voldemort's weaknesses. It's a nice touch imo.

[boreal shuttle]

It's three times, not two. Not exactly something that would naturally happen to a lot of people, especially not in such a way that they would understand what needed to be done.

That being said, the room of hidden things specifically was found and used by quite a lot of different students and professors over the centuries.

[boreal shuttle]

Oh, don't get me started on the maze... pretty much one of the main reasons why GoF is my second to last favourite film. And they don't even have a proper excuse for reducing it to a barebones version as it was 100% their decision to spend so much time on the first task, even though Harry finished it very quickly in the book.

It also removes a lot of cool little character moments like Harry spotting two Bartemius Crouch's on the Marauders Map (and a reason for never using the map afterwards) and ofc... Winky the drunk House-elf, never forget!

GoF does get a few bonus points though, for having the best version of movie Voldemort

[blazing blade]

I wonder if there’s a scientific theory on magic in hogwarts

So what are the requirements for a creature to be able to cast spells anyhow?

[mint warren]

If they’re magical then they can use magic. HP’s magic is very loose with much more of a whimsical fairy tale setting to it. There aren’t really strict quantifiable reasons for why magic is the way it is. Magic just exists and some people and creatures can either use it or not.

[blazing blade]

Hmm

Is there a way for a wizard to turn themselves into a poltergeist?

[mint warren]

Poltergeists were never living to begin with (the sole exception being Peeves) so as far as we’re aware no.

[boreal shuttle]

Peeves was never alive either. What makes him unusual is that he has a physical form, while most Poltergeists don't.

[mint warren]

Right I forgot, he “came with the building.”

[boreal shuttle]

But yeah, as you said, Poltergeists are complete non-beings who were never alive and cannot die, thus it's impossible for a wizard or witch to become one.

[blazing blade]

Maybe we should come back to this tomorrow…

For now I’m interested in spells! Mainly if there’s a classification system for em and if the suffix is a part of it

[mint warren]

Lol this isn’t a classroom. You can ask or add whatever you want. As for classification of spells, we can really only go off of what the British Ministry of Magic classifies them as, so this is really only accounting for what a small corner of the world thinks.

Spells are most commonly classified into charms or curses. Charms are typically spells that temporarily alter the nature of an object to varying degrees. Curses are spells that irreparably alter something.

Though you also have varying applications of magic such as divination, potioneering, transfiguration, and alchemy.

[lucid coral]

Is leviosa considered a charm?

[mint warren]

Yes, it’s called the Levitation Charm.

[boreal shuttle]

Transfiguration, Charms, Dark Magic (in increasing orders of magnitude: Jinxes, Hexes and Curses) and counter-spells are the overall classifications.

[lucid coral]

I never thought about it before, but it does look like magic in Harry Potter falls into two categories. Charms or curses

[mint warren]

Yes, though as Aster said, Curses are a specific subcategory of Dark Arts, though ‘Curse’ is also a general term used for Dark Arts as well.

[lucid coral]

Are potions like polyjuice or flexis Felicis considered a charm?

[boreal shuttle]

No, they're just that, potions.

[lucid coral]

Ok

But there are cursed items

[mint warren]

Yes, but that’s more about placing a curse on the item.

[boreal shuttle]

Charms basically comes down to enchanting objects to behave in unnatural ways, to put it simply. It's also the Hufflepuff of the spells (I'm slightly sorry :p) because whenever a spell doesn't fit into the categories of Transfiguration, the Dark Arts or counter-spells, it's pretty much a Charm by default.

[lucid coral]

Is it ever addressed if a muggle could make a potion if they had all the ingredients and the recipe?

[mint warren]

No because you still need to apply magic to it in order for it to have magical effects.

[boreal shuttle]

It is, yeah. Wandwork is always part of potionmaking, so no, a Muggle couldn't successfully brew one.

[lucid coral]

So is a charm or curse cast on the potion ?

[boreal shuttle]

It's more intricate. Like, it makes a difference whether or not you prepare or add certain ingredients magically or physically.

[mint warren]

More or less. Wand work is required, so you are casting a general spell to ensure the potion has magical properties.

But yeah, potion brewing is a combination of magical ingredients mixed with alchemical ingredients mixed with magic.

[lucid coral]

And one follow up question. Can a muggle use a position once it’s been made by a witch or wizard? I would presume yes. Like how there are cursed items that killed muggles

[mint warren]

Mixed with a lot of patience

Yes. That’s one of the benefits of potion brewing and why it’s so profitable. Anybody can use potions.

[boreal shuttle]

Yes, unless the potion is meant to replicate or change something that needs magic by default.

[lucid coral]

Yeah that makes sense

You can’t improve on what’s not already there

[boreal shuttle]

Exactly.

[lucid coral]

Thanks guys

In a way it might make sense for potion making to be a two person job. One guy that’s like a chef and very good and mixing the ingredients together and another guy that good at enchantment/whatever wand work is needed to “magic it”. Would be a good way to run a business. unless it can’t work that way

[mint warren]

It can work that way. I believe some of the larger potion shops have it set up that way. It's just that we're most accustomed to the smaller intimate ma and pa shops.

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, it definitely works. I always figured that it isn't part of the Hogwarts curriculum for the sole reason that one person could totally carry another.

[mint warren]

Yeah, Potion Brewing is often considered the most difficult class, so they probably don't want students to pass by piggybacking off another.

[boreal shuttle]

And in the case of small businesses potentially secret brewing techniques.

Like, Hermione could have easily guaranteed an E even for someone like Neville.

Although in the case of Neville it's hard to say how much of his ineptitude comes down to his crippling fear of Snape lol.

[lucid coral]

I always thought of Hogwarts training like grade school, and if you want to focus on a specialty after Hogwarts you go to “wizard college” and choose your major. No idea if wizard college actually existed, but that was always my take. In Hogwarts you learn all of the basics. Even if you will never use potion making or herbology later on in life

[mint warren]

Not really, there are more advanced training programs, but Hogwarts is essentially middle school, high school, and college all in one.

Essentially, you get through Hogwarts and then you find an apprenticeship in whatever field you're thinking of going into.

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah. And the apprenticeship can be roughly compared to getting your master's degree.

Like when Dumbledore studied Alchemy with Flamel.

[mint warren]

Should also note that Hogwarts isn't the standard when it comes to magical training. Hogwarts is an extremely prestigious school where the students solely dedicate themselves to magical study.

[lucid coral]

There must be some specialized training to become an auror. No?

[mint warren]

Well aurors are essentially magical law enforcement, so you'll have your own training in order to become one.

[boreal shuttle]

It's pretty similar to RL in that regard, the training even takes the same amount of time as it does to become a police officer in many countries - three years.

Although it sounds a lot, and I mean A LOT, more stressful.

[mint warren]

Yeah, so even if you graduate from Hogwarts at 19, you'll likely be around 21-22 before you're considered part of the magical working world.

[lucid coral]

Does Hogwarts teach high level magic like the Patronus Charm? If I remember correctly Harry didn’t learn that from the normal curriculum, but would he have learned Patronus Charm at Hogwarts at some point later on?

[mint warren]

It's implied that you learn your Patronus during your 7th year, though we've never actually seen was a real 7th year education looks like.

[lucid coral]

You both seem to know a lot so sorry if I’m taking advantage of this too ask questions lol

[boreal shuttle]

Or rather that you try to learn it, considering most people fail.

[mint warren]

lol it's not problem dude. I have like, dozens of different fictional worlds lodged in my head.

[lucid coral]

Is it ever explained who is allowed access to the forbidden part or the library?

I get we don’t burn book, but who is the forbidden section intended for

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, it's normally exclusive to 5th-years and up, for specialised projects that can at times require more obscure sources of knowledge.

[lucid coral]

Gotcha. Special assignments

[mint warren]

Yup, but that's mostly because most of the texts up there are rare or historical, meaning they aren't trusted to younger students.

[lucid coral]

Clearly some of it is dangerous. If I remember correctly that’s how Tom R learned of the horcrux

[mint warren]

Yes, but that was mostly Tom's obsessive nature getting the better of him. At the time he was allowed to go through those texts.

[boreal shuttle]

But regarding the Patronus charm... I always wondered if Harry is just a genius at teaching it or if the low success rate comes down to the very shaky quality of DADA professors because of the curse Riddle placed on the position. Like, I don't remember any mention as to how it was before, for example under Dumbledore's or Merrythought's tutelage.

[lucid coral]

That’s a great point. Harry had a very high success rate at teaching it

[mint warren]

I think that was a mixture of Harry being an inspirational figure and DADA having a half century of poor quality teachers. Patronus requires the caster to be in a very specific mindset, so if it's being taught by someone who doesn't exactly inspire you, then it won't be all that successful.

[lucid coral]

Maybe there are also some level of if Harry can do it, and he’s a student like us. We can do it too. It’s not impossible

[boreal shuttle]

Those are pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Like, Harry obviously has an unnatural affinity for the spell, so much so that he managed to rival someone like Dumbledore at age 13, but him being such a huge inspiration for the DA likely played a major part in the high success rate.

[mint warren]

Yeah, for spells like the Patronus, which require the caster to invoke feelings of peace, protection, and love, it almost requires you to have the one-on-one teaching that Harry gave to his classmates.

[lucid coral]

Was it ever elaborated on why Snape and Lily had the same patronus?

[mint warren]

Snape's inspiration was Lily. She is what allowed him to feel safe, so his Patronus would take on the form of Lily's.

[boreal shuttle]

Snape's love to Lily basically resulted in him having the same Patronus form.

[lucid coral]

So Lily had it first?

[mint warren]

Patronus' are unique compared to your house, wand, or animagus in that it can change over time. Your Patronus reflects what inspires you to protect yourself and others.

[random moon]

Winky deserved better. Her role isn’t even a throwaway one in the books. She played a significant role in Barty Croich Jrs plans.

Also not having the Minisrty (Amos Diggory specifically) test Harry’s wand and find it was used to summon the Dark Mark but then blame Winky because she happened to be holding it.

And this being a reason Amos and Croich Sr being a bit more hostile towards Harry throughout the book.

Amos’ grief at losing Cedric is honesty me favourite bit in the film (as morbid as that sounds) just because it’s acted so well.

But Amos was otherwise done dirty in the film. He was way more passive aggressive to Harry in the books and it made for a way more interesting character imo

[boreal shuttle]

It's basically an alternate variation of Tonks Patronus changing into a wolf.

[mint warren]

Someone whose Patronus may start off as a cat may become an owl at some point.

[random moon]

IIRC The Patronus charm is a NEWT level spell?

It’s a bit of a complex/high level spell. Harry being able to cast even a non corporeal one at 13 is incredibly impressive and shows that he has great mental fortitude.

It’s even commented on during his trial in book 5 about being able to cast a fully corporeal Patronus being really unusual for someone his age and that being an impressive feat

[boreal shuttle]

Agreed. Bertha Jorkins not being part of the film isn't too bad, but Winky's absence and the watered down version of Amos seriously hurts the flow. But I also agree that his grief was incredibly well acted.

I will also never forget the one and only Weatherby :^)

[random moon]

Significant life events like falling in love/unrequited love can change the form of your Patronus yeah

[mint warren]

Yeah, out of all Harry's spells, Patronus was definitely his specialty, which made him very unique among wizardkind.

[random moon]

They also didn’t go into his Barty Crouch Jr escaped Azkaban and the tragedy behind that

Or the fact he was kept hidden for years after and under his own fathers Imoerius curse to “protect him”

[boreal shuttle]

I firmly believe that without Voldemort Harry would have been a more capable wizard overall, but definitely not as outstanding in that one particular field. So yes, it's definitely very fitting for the way the story is told.

[boreal shuttle]

iirc GoF is the movie with the most missing plot points and characters in general. I once did a list on it, which turned out considerably longer than I had first anticipated

[mint warren]

GoF mostly focused on the action scenes, which weren't as prominent in the book, as the book mostly focused on the characters and the build up to Voldemort's return.

[random moon]

Yesss! So much was cut to keep the movie length (and costs) down

Which is why it should have been split into two films imo. Leave enough room for creativity and faithfully adapt the book.

[boreal shuttle]

To be fair though, as I alluded to before, the whole graveyard scene is just fantastic. GoF Voldemort was so great

[lucid coral]

As someone that didn’t read the books, but did read up on the lore and story. It amazes me how much appears to have been missed from the movies. Do you guy think the movies did a good job or did they totally blow it?

[mint warren]

I agree, but that also kinda falls into my overall critique of Voldemort as a villain. I feel he was better as a presence rather than an actual character. Like, he was at his best when he wasn't around.

[random moon]

Ralph Fiennes was the perfect cast imo. He really made the character and embodied the right kind of sinister vibe.

[mint warren]

On the whole, I think the films were as good as they could have been, but a lot of what made the books so great was because you got to see everyone from Harry's perspective and read his thoughts on things.

[boreal shuttle]

I whine a lot about them, particularly HBP and GoF, but I still think that they did a very good job as a general package. Certainly only second to LotR as far as (fantasy) book adaptations go.

[random moon]

Agreed.

Not the Hobbit though. Completely unnecessary to split that into a trilogy

[mint warren]

Honestly, watching the films, you really agree with the idea that Harry Potter is and always was a Gryffindor. Reading the books? Nah, he's always been a Slytherin.

[random moon]

Didn’t they cut out Harry straight up casting Crucio on Carrow for spitting on Minerva? Been a while since I watched DH part 2 lol

[boreal shuttle]

They did, yeah. Unforgivable honestly

[lucid coral]

Yeah that was cut

[boreal shuttle]

No pun intended but that was such a huge moment

[random moon]

Which is a shame because it was way more interesting imo.

[mint warren]

The films paint Harry as a typical chosen one protagonist. The books, I feel, do a much better job at depicting him as an emotionally detached kid who got a lot of responsibility thrusted on him.

[lucid coral]

In the movies they only have the scene where Harry casts it once and fails

[mint warren]

There's legit a scene where he talks about how, sure he likes Hermoine, but he really can't stand being around her for that long.

[random moon]

Agreed. It’s one thing to use Imperio in order to get access to a Horcrux to stop the big bad

But when Harry knows from personal experience how awful Crucio is, just to use it because a guy disrespected his Head of House, a woman who is more than capable of defending herself was incredibly significant to making his character more flawed and real rather than just your stereotypical “good guy with no flaws at all”

[boreal shuttle]

This is pretty much the main reason why the OotP film is in my top three - it was the only one that really captured Harry's mental struggles regarding everything he had to deal with, which was such a huge part of the books.

[mint warren]

Exactly. The books had the benefit of the reader actually reading Harry's inner thoughts. So we could see first hand that most of the time, Harry was just playing the part of the hero, but he never actually cared about any of that.

[random moon]

Yes 100% this!

Harry has flaws in the books, some bigger than others. He’s emotional and irrational, especially when angry.

But film Harry is just “good guy chosen one, any flaws are Voldy’s fault”

[boreal shuttle]

Absolutely. It also showed how much his experiences and struggles have changed him as a person since he last tried casting it on Bellatrix, at a time when he was much more emotionally unstable and should have had an easier time casting it.

[random moon]

Though it’s a shame we didn’t get to see the other chambers in the DoM

Or the destruction of the Time Turners which is very significant in the books and why neither side can use them to get an advantage in the war.

Like the Thought Chamber would have been really wild to see

[lucid coral]

Would you guys ever want a more book accurate version of the movies? Or is what we got good enough?

[random moon]

Nstead it made it seem like there’s just the Hall of Prophecy and the Death Chamber and that the DoM is tiny overall

[mint warren]

Hell, the only reason he wanted to be in Gryffindor was because his parents were in Gryffindor, and to him that would mean he would be a good person like them. When it's revealed that James was a bully and Lily turned a blind eye to his faults--along with the hat saying that Harry would've been his true self in Slytherin--that's when we finally confront that Harry isn't the typical hero of a chosen one story.

[random moon]

Yeah it showed he didn’t really mean it, he was just lashing out in anger and grief.

But with Carrow he really meant to cause indescribable agony

[boreal shuttle]

Totally, the whole DoM sequence was kind of a letdown in general, with the obvious exception of the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort. I also didn't like Sirius dying to AK and looking at Harry sadly before fading away into the Veil when it was so random and more ambiguous in the books.

[mint warren]

Honestly, I think what we got was good enough. It had flaws, and definitely reflected certain film motifs of the time, but I don't think the few changes needed would be worth remaking the films.

[random moon]

Considering how significant it is in the books, it just became a fairly short action set piece in the film.

No longer a Department of Mysteries but a Department of Action lol

Would have been way cooler to see more if it and why it has that name.

[boreal shuttle]

Only if it's a 1:1 rendition where the director/s don't feel like they need to change things because they obviously know better than the author. Looking at you, Wheel of Time.

But it would honestly need to be a series, I don't think you can do the movies much better than the ones we already have.

[random moon]

Yeah! And the Veil being a shimmery thing in the archway rather than a fluttering curtain that Sirius falls through but doesn’t appear at the other side was way more impactful imo because Harry is like “hell come back” and looks at the other side of the Archway

Not just immediate screaming

There was denial first

[lucid coral]

Just not Netflix please. Canceled after 2 seasons than

[mint warren]

I feel like a lot of the deaths in the films came out of nowhere. Whereas in the book, sure the deaths were immediate, but it took time to let those deaths rest on the characters.

[random moon]

2 would be generous by Netflix lol

[boreal shuttle]

Fred's death hit me like an absolute truck in the book while in the film it was more like "oh no... anyway."

[mint warren]

Yeah, in the books deaths happen when there's a lot of action going on, so you don't really notice until everything calms down and it dawns on everyone that not everyone made it.

[random moon]

Agreed
And don’t get me started on Voldy’s death.

Completely ruined the point of his entire character with how he died in the film.

The book did it perfectly and it was far more impactful and poignant.

[boreal shuttle]

Show over substance pretty much sums up the film version of their final confrontation.

[mint warren]

Like I said, a lot of film motifs of the time were present in the films. Whenever a character died, it needed to do that whole slowmo on them while the audiences basks in the drama. In the books, death just happens and it's the aftermath that's given the attention.

[random moon]

Also ignoring Lupins full on breakdown over Tonks being pregnant and having an argument with Harry about the idea of being a father and fearing that his lycanthropy would be passed on (as there wasn’t exactly a lot of data on werewolves having kids)

[boreal shuttle]

They didn't have time for that, they needed to add the "Snatchers can smell Hermione's perfume through various defensive enchantments" scene instead.

So random.

Not to mention how they ran into Snatchers totally randomly on two different occasions. I'll never understand why they cut out the taboo

[random moon]

Lupin and Tonks got done so dirty.

No breakdown of Lupin going through several emotional states throughout his fight with Harry,

No announcement or idea that Tonks was pregnant at all. I don’t even remember if Lupin asked Harry to be his Godfather

Just a line after Harry uses the Resurrection stone and says to Lupin “Remus… your son..”

[mint warren]

Yeah, after the third film, Lupin just kinda vanishes.

[boreal shuttle]

iirc there is no mention of Tonk's pregnancy or their son at all.

There is this short scene before the battle of the seven Potters where Tonks wants to mention something but Mad-Eye cuts her off and that's it.

[mint warren]

I think my biggest problem with the films is how we don't spend much time on a lot of the connections Harry made. I remember in the 5th film, the conversation between him and Cho was much more meaningful in the book.

[boreal shuttle]

And then you suddenly get Harry and Remus talking about Teddy during the Resurrection Stone scene

At least that's how I remember it.

[random moon]

Yeah was way more significant in the books and had a proper arc with finding love (a rare thing due to the stigma around werewolves) and having a kid that terrifies him. He’s scared it might somehow be a werewolf too because there’s a lack of data on unions between a werewolf and non werewolf partner. But also being afraid of if he could even be a good father with his condition.

Him asking Harry to be his Godfather because he believed that Harry could do a better job.

It made his and Tonks deaths way more significant in the books.

In the film it’s just “oh they’re dead ok.”

There wasn’t even any hints that Tonk and Lupin were a couple until you see they’ve been placed next to each other and their hands touching as they lie dead in the Great Hall.

[random moon]

Yeah same

It was all way more significant in the book and gave Lupin a really cool arc.

Also no mention from Lupin about Greyback being the one that bit him as a child.

Not really much from Greyback in general. He lost his intimidating aura from the books and was just a mean burly dude with sharp teeth like??

He has a whole thing about infecting children with Lycanthropy and hurting kids in general

Plus a whole sub plot about him banding a bunch of werewolves together to help Voldy with the promise of werewolves getting a better life under Voldy’s rule and not being the pariahs of society that they have been.

[rare knot]

I mean tbf the medium of film precludes itself from having the same impact if translated 1 to 1 from a books description. They have to find different ways of communicating the the same idea and that isn't exactly easy.

I absolutely think the films had room for improvement and could have learned something from the LOTR adaptations. But I don't envy the job of director or screenwriter for these sorts of adaptations.

[random moon]

Oh yeah I agree that of course films have to cut some stuff because they’re a completely different medium.

But cutting some things only to make a vague mention of them later only leads to confusion and makes it seem more like an afterthought,

Like Harry mentioning Lupins son or Tonk and Lupin being laid next to each other.

It just kind of trivialises it and makes you care less because you wouldn’t have known they were a couple or that their son was now orphaned until that point, if you picked up on it at all, it was so fleeting a moment

[rare knot]

Yeah I get that sometimes having conversation on conversation can be a bit tedious for the audience, so they try to communicate ideas in different ways. But there are a few times where it just didn't make any sense and that would be one of them. But tbf, they basically completely left out Lupin and Tonk's subplot. Honestly Tonk's character was almost completely superfluous and Lupin's too post-POA. They didn't even have Teddy in the final scene.

[blazing blade]

I’m back

So is it better to goto the wiki or pottermore for spell names?

[random moon]

The wiki has a more comprehensive list I believe

[blazing blade]

Cool cool

So what’s the difference between engorgio and the enlargement charm?

[random moon]

It’s never been fully explained if it was just another word for the Engorgement charm. They have similar effects so could just be the sane thing under a different name

[blazing blade]

Huh…

Is the maxima version of a spell the ultimate version of that spell? (Ex Protego Maxima)?

[mint warren]

Not really an 'ultimate' but it is an enhanced version of the spell. For example, Protego Maxima would offer much more protection than the normal Protego.

[blazing blade]

Ahhh

So what are the other enhanced spell names? Wiki lists them unusually so you’ll see Protego Maxima before Protego

[boreal shuttle]

The "maxima" versions of certain spells are movie,- and game-exclusive and never mentioned in the books but off the top of my head there are Protego, Bombarda, Lumos, Glacius and Flipendo.

[lucid coral]

I was just reading that on Pottermore, JK said that Neville asked to be placed in Hufflepuff during the sorting hat ceremony, but was instead placed in Gryffindor despite his request. Any theories as to why? (Let’s presume it’s not just for comic relief)

[dapper lark]

The hat probably* wanted Neville to have character growth rather than the easy way out. Prove your braveness instead of having like minded peers. Lol

[vernal mountain]

Wouldn't the sorting hat have a little incentive since Neville was semi-famous for being a candidate in the prophecy as well? Maybe the hat was trying to salvage a bit of what could have been.

[boreal shuttle]

No ones besides Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape knew about Neville being a candidate for the prophecy. So he wasn't famous at all and even though the hat is somewhat clairvoyant, it isn't all-knowing.

[boreal shuttle]

Since the Sorting Hat has clairvoyant insights, it could see Neville's potential and what he truly desired and valued, even if Neville himself didn't know it at the time.

The hat also seemingly has the tendency to decide based on what it thinks is best for the personal development of a child.

[vernal mountain]

Still could've been a slight possibility the hat was in on it though right

[dapper lark]

Yes, the hat predicted everything and was giving Harry the companions he needed by sorting them into Gryffindor.

[lucid coral]

In the game there is a random encounter that can happen when you are in Hogwarts where a howler letter written by parents is yelling at a student (the parents son/daughter). During one of these random encounters there is one where the howler is mad that the student got into Gryffindor and not Hufflepuff (I think that was it, I don’t really remember which houses it was). Anyway, the parent via the howler says the student must demand to be resorted. My question is, has it ever happened that someone changed houses? I presume it never came up in the lore, but not sure.

[sleek perch]

The sorting hat says that it never made a mistake and won't change its decision.

[quasi smelt]

The Sorting hat is NEVER wrong

[modern moth]

It's a very parental thing, though. At least an overbearing parental thing. Even if the sorting hat doesn't make mistakes and can't be wrong, and even if that's well known, that type of parent would still try to demand a resorting.

[sleek perch]

Well...I can't really understand why one would complain tho.
The house you're in doesn't hinder your success as a wizard or witch at all.

[modern moth]

That also is more about the wizarding culture. There's a lot of families who "have been in the same house for generations" and so they take pride in that fact. If you value gryfindor's traits for example and think they're the best traits you can aspire to - and 5 generations of your family have been gryfindor - then your child is suddenly ravenclaw, it can be seen as a slight to the family.

[lyric cradle]

Those parents are Boomers XD

[sleek perch]

I see
Similar to how Malfoys have always been Slytherin or Weasleys always Gryffindor

[modern moth]

Right, like that. It'd be like if Draco was Gryfindor instead, think of how his father would have reacted

[sleek perch]

Oh man...his father wouldn't have liked that at all.

[drifting flax]

I need someone's help ASAP!! been here for two hours ;_; trying to do lodgoks loyalty and i cannot escape the mine!!! please VC me and help

[timber thicket]

I finished the main story today, I still need to get the true ending, but I already have ideas for like dlc or a sequel or something, mainly for Sebastian’s storyline

[winged harbor]

Would the developers add young Dumbledore in the game? I mean it’s gonna be really nostalgic and not to mention fun to see characters that you grew up to love.
Plus Dumbledore is already at Hogwarts. Just younger than our character. I was thinking maybe if he can give like a small quest to us.

[lyric cradle]

Google says he was born in 1881

So he's probably a baby in our time XD

[long mason]

I would have figured he'd be at least a first year.

[winged harbor]

What-

[lyric cradle]

I don’t know I’m just stating what it said XDDD

Professor Hecat said “Poacher Raid of 1875” or something? So we might be after that? Or maybe I’m misshearing her everytime XD

[mint warren]

Dumbledore's 1st year would be our 7th year, so in the event they manage to make this story up to then, we'll be meeting him.

[novel pewter]

Is it just me or the dark ancient magic has some relation with obscurus? They look exactly the same

[blazing blade]

Ok so you know how there’s the unforgivable curses right?

Is there anything like that for plants? The ministry seems really lax on that considering you can grow what is essentially land piranhas…

[dapper lark]

Petition to make chomping cabbages unforgivable!

[olive flint]

What do you guys think would have been the patronus form of our companions/friends like Ominis Natty, Sebastian, Amit and Poppy? What could fit them?

[dapper lark]

Ominous would be a snake and he would hate it.

Amit would get lucky and get Centaur lol

[modern moth]

Possible spoiler for Natty: ||Her animagus form is a gazelle. A witch's or wizard's animagus form is usually their patronus,|| so that would be her patronus.

[clear ether]

Broomers* hehe

[olive flint]

Oh yeah I totally forgot about that xD

[modern moth]

As for poppy, I could totally see her casting something like a hippogryph or dragon. I feel like she's underestimated 😂

[boreal shuttle]

As someone else said, a gazelle or giraffe - because of her father - seem like safe bets for Natty and for Amit we have a lot of options, pretty much any animal that coincides with a constellation.

The others are trickier since we don't actually know them that well outside of their individual questlines, but I'll try anyway.
For Sebastian I'd go with a very stubborn animal like a bull, mule or even a cat, or an animal with very strong family bonds/ties like a wolf or an elephant.
For Poppy I could see her Patronus form being either an animal with a very strong moral compass, like a dolphin, or an independant one like a Snow Leopard, to signal her breaking ties with her parents and upbringing.
And if you want to be a bit cheeky, just go with a (guide) dog for Ominis.

[coarse sparrow]

imagine spending your whole life learning dark magic but then lose to an infant who can barely crawl 🤦

[boreal shuttle]

After finishing HL I'm honestly unsure of how they could pull this off. I can see one sequel taking place in the same setting with added and more fleshed out gameplay systems, but 2 would be too much. That being said, they obviously could do either a time skip or have the sequel just cover 2 years.

So yeah, I'm personally down for HL2 but after that I'd definitely want to see something else/new, considering all the potential there is with different schools and an actual mature WW game where we play as something like an Auror, Hit Wizard or even a Curse-Breaker.

[modern moth]

random question, but is the entrance to the undercroft a vanishing cabinet?

[boreal shuttle]

That would require a second vanishing cabinet within the Undercroft that is connected to the one above. It's just a "regular" hidden passage.

[modern moth]

i thought it was vanishing cabinet when i saw the hidden passage. unless it’s a “regular” cabinet that straight up leads you to a passage once you open its door

[lyric cradle]

What a beautiful pun to start the day with XDDD good one!

[coarse sparrow]

I feel bad for that hufflepuff girl who got a howler for being friends with muggle borns😳

[lyric cradle]

Freaking me too smh X’D

[jovial snow]

Why wasn't Slughorn fired for serving Harry and Ron literal mead???

They were still not of age during that year (their sixth year).

[random moon]

The Wizarding world is a bit more lenient.

Considering the students can buy butterbeer which contains a small amount of alcohol and Chicolate Caukdrons which contain Firewhiskey,

Its probably a case of as long as there’s a responsible adult present and they’re only given a small goblet worth, it’s fine.

[static flicker]

I think I read it was 18 in Scotland but if you're under the age with a legal adult, you are allowed to have a drink with your meal. so the boys being 16 and having a drink with Slughorn, if thinking of Muggle law, is allowed.

[random moon]

Sure with Muggle (and real life) law

I’m just saying the law in the WW is a bit more lenient (at least with some things) considering kids can buy butterbeer and chocolate cauldrons and have as much of it as they want.

[static flicker]

for sure. I agree with you. It was more in response to the one above wondering why he wasn't fired for serving mead. I don't even know if Wizarding towns, that are completely off muggle radar, would even have a care about that type of thing. I guess anyone would care if your 14 year old is getting sloshed. lol

[boreal shuttle]

That only applies to Harry. The whole ordeal happened on Ron's 17th birthday.

And to be fair, this was pretty much a text-book case of extraordinary circumstances.

[dapper lark]

Slughorn has enough connections to never be fired anyways. Dumbledore needs any teachers he can get.

[hexed gulch]

sorry I didn't have much time to browse to see if anyone has discussed this recently above but

do you think the Veil archway at the Ministry of Magic where Sirius Black died is a remnant of ancient magic archways seen in the Hogwarts Legacy game? It is said it was there since the founding of the ministry, which dates quite a long time ago and likely older bc the construction seems really like ancient ruins not something built during those time periods, which corresponds to the ancient magic we still see in 1800s and in the earlier time periods of the pensieve memories we see and merlin and all, I can't help but feel they look and seem similar in some way, especially with the whispering of ancient magic and it's seemingly gateways through realities?

but I haven't gotten so far in the game to see if there is any more info on ancient magic

the other aspect of ancient magic mentioned was when Harry's mother protected him as a baby via ... love? a life giving sacrificial power? life and death and love and reality these more abstract forms of magic seems to be along the lines of ancient magic imo

the archway was definitely constructed not a natural portal so someone must have wielded magic powerful and primordial enough to bridge the living and dead

but again hopefully there's more as I get into the game

what do you think?

[jovial snow]

Butterbeer makes perfect sense. It’s kinda like cider I assume, in regards to the amount of alcohol. We don’t even know if it’s actual alcohol either, could be something else, like a magical plant thing.

[jovial snow]

Ahhh thanks for letting me know 🙂

[jovial snow]

Yeah. But with the British wizarding community it’s 17.

[boreal shuttle]

I was immediately reminded of the Veil as well when I first saw the ancient magic gateway and it's definitely possible that they were inspired by the design of the film version, but that and the whispers are the only apparent connection as of now. The main issue is that we basically know next to nothing about the Veil - how did it come to be, what is its original purpose, was the DoM and the Ministry built around it or was it somehow created or transported there?
JKR expanded a little bit on the Veil in an interview, or rather on the reasons why characters react differently to it, and it basically comes down to faith. Luna believes in the afterlife with absolute certainty and can thus perceive the voices more clearly than the others, while the extremely rational Hermione hears nothing.

Ultimately I don't think that they're connected for the sole reason that the Veil is one of, if not the most obscure piece of WW lore and trying to expand on something like that in non-canon or canon-extended media is usually a recipe for disaster; many authors had to learn that the hard way in Star Wars Legends, to name one example.

[warped thistle]

🌞 a new day, a new urge to discuss hp lore.
Are there any experts on hp lore here who could weigh in or settle a dispute about a lore question?

I've seen some people have the house ghost role, is that just for those who have been on this discord the longest or is there more to it?

[neon hull]

"thestral is visible to people who have seen death"
does it have to be death of humans?

[warped thistle]

I assume so. Or else all the people who grew up on farms would be able to see and I think that's not how it was intended.
Probably humans and humanoids like goblins, elves, centaurs and giants

[random moon]

The House Ghost role in this discord is for boosters

[random moon]

I think it’s just the death of humans.

[neon hull]

so other animals cant see them?
or is it something like "Witness a death of one of your own kind/specie"?

[warped thistle]

Hm good question. Thinking about it that does make it quite complicated. Now I'm not sure about my previous answer.

[jaunty trout]

Since some here are more into lore stuff:

i have a question:

Imagine 2 Teams are facing eachother in a quidditch and all of them use liquid luck to win

What would happen? according to liquid luck rules and stuff

[mint warren]

They’d still be disqualified since using liquid luck is illegal for the game.

[warped thistle]

If everyone drinks it that would make it fair again. So the chances of eac team winning remain the same as if no one drank it I think

But yea if the referee notices they'd all be disqualified

[mint warren]

It’d be the same as asking if both teams in a soccer or basketball game used steroids. Doesn’t matter if it balances out, they’re still using performance enhancing drugs.

[warped thistle]

I think they were more interested in the mechanics of the magical rules, rather than the legal consequences.
Like asking what happens if an unmovable object meets an unstoppable force

[mint warren]

Ooooh, I see. Well then it’d probably be a draw since liquid luck ensures that any attempt at something is a success. So yes, the luck would balance out.

[random moon]

Even if both sides used it the entire match would be rendered void. And both teams disqualified

The players would probably all be banned from playing professionally too.

[jaunty trout]

that wasn’t what i was referring to tho

[mint warren]

Well then keep reading, I get there eventually. Lol

[jaunty trout]

your next example doesn’t make any sense since steroids dont have the same effect that liquid luck got

[boreal shuttle]

Realistically they should cancel each other out. If everyone is lucky, no one is.

[jaunty trout]

technically yes but that would break the whole effect of liquid luck

[mint warren]

As I said, it’d be a draw since every attempt at something is a success. So the luck would even out. It’d be the equivalent of a tennis match where neither side misses the ball. After a certain point the time would run out and the game would end in a draw.

[jaunty trout]

Yes but that owuld break the whole effect too
Because Liquid Luck guarantees that all your attempts are successful 100%

[boreal shuttle]

Yes, and we have several canon examples of enchantments breaking the effects or being too powerful for the potion to be of any use. The luck you gain by drinking it isn't absolute.

[jaunty trout]

Ahh okay

[warped thistle]

First the effect of Felix felicis would run out, then the players would need to keep playing until the snitch is caught

[jaunty trout]

ye since quidditch matches arent time restricted

[mint warren]

And by that point the refs would know somethings up and call the game.

[boreal shuttle]

The potion guaranteeing success in "all endeavors" was probably Slughorn hyping it up for his audience - e.g. it didn't help Hermione and co. against the Peruvian Darkness Powder used by Malfoy.

[jaunty trout]

Yes but that doesnt matter for my question
Because im aware that using Liquid Luck is against the Rules

[mint warren]

Which was already answered. The luck would even out and the enchantment would be cancelled.

[jaunty trout]

yes yes

the scenario that might happen is that both teams play more than well and at some point it will be skill based again

[jaunty trout]

An example why the refs and rules dont matter would be:

You can use the same scenario for a 1v1 duel with Wands
If both drink liquid luck who would win ^^

I just used quidditch because that was the first example that came up my head

[jaunty trout]

But the result would probably be the same

Both fight on same level and at some point the liquid luck runs out
means that either the Person that loses the Liquid Luck first will lose

or the person who is weaker (if liquid luck runs out for both at the same time)

[boreal shuttle]

Even if only one of them used the potion, there would still be limits. Like Harry drinking Felix Felicis wouldn't have enabled him to beat Dumbledore in a duel.

When both drink it the better duelist will win regardless, and in the case of Quidditch the same would be true for the better team.

[jaunty trout]

i think in the Harry vs. Dumbledore scenario they would be on the same level if Harry drinks liquid luck
Because i can imagine that Dumbledore is as strong as someone with liquid luck for sure

[boreal shuttle]

They definitely wouldn't be lol.

[jaunty trout]

i doubt dumbledore would beat harry easily if harry used liquid luck

[mint warren]

Luck doesn’t affect raw power.

[boreal shuttle]

He 110% would, very easily.

[jaunty trout]

But Luck effects other things

if you compare raw power dumbledore would win

But with Liquid Luck Harry might be able to block spells he wouldnt be able to block without liquid luck

[mint warren]

Dumbledore is the more powerful and the more knowledgeable wizard. Even if Harry used liquid luck, that would only affect so much.

[jaunty trout]

Because reaction time and blocking can be effected by Luck

[boreal shuttle]

As I said, Felix Felicis didn't help the DA against the Peruvian Instant Darkness Powder and Hermione also made the assumption that the potion wouldn't help Harry in figuring out what Malfoy was up to, because the inherent enchantments of the RoR are too powerful.

There are clear limitations to its effects.

[jaunty trout]

Yes i get that one

[mint warren]

Harry would probably last longer than he normally would, but ultimately the liquid luck wouldn’t change the fact that Dumbledore is just on an entirely separate level.

[boreal shuttle]

So if the potion can't counter a gimmick like the darkness powder, why would it stand a chance against unknown forms of magic much more powerful and varied than your own? Luck doesn't grant you knowledge or skills.

From everything we've seen the potion simply enables one to succeed at everything they could have realistically accomplished anyway when the stars align.

[warped thistle]

Are there any lore experts who could weigh in on a lore disagreement?

[boreal shuttle]

Fire away.

[warped thistle]

Yea like in dnd just because you have a lucky streak of nat 20s doesn't mean your character can run up a wall

[boreal shuttle]

Pretty good example, yes.

[warped thistle]

So I had a discussion yesterday in #💬hogwarts-legacy-general and later #📖books about James borrowing his cloak of invisibility to Dumbledore.
The other person was suggesting that based on the fact that Dumbledore still had the cloak and that James was frustrated, it means that Dumbledore decided to keep the cloak and refused to return it, so in other words is guilty of theft.
Any lore experts who have an opinion on that one way or the other?

[random moon]

This limitation on Liquid Luck (being that it will only help you succeed at things you already stood a chance at/we’re capable of succeeding at) is also why heavy reliance on it often leads to death.

As this reliant on it become reckless believing that the potion will stop them from receiving harm or failing. It’s also heavily toxic is high doses do drinking one dose after another each time it wears off will also kill you.

Someone reliant on it would still die if they jumped off a cliff believing that the potion would mean they’d land relatively safely.

[blazing cargo]

lmao ofc it’s ravenclaws in here

[warped thistle]

[blazing cargo]

okay okay i have a hot take from the movies

[mint warren]

I’ve seen some Gryffindors in here contribute

[blazing cargo]

draco is only popular/liked cus he’s played by an attractive actor, he wasn’t a good guy and actively disliked the trio

[boreal shuttle]

That's an... interesting take. Personally I believe that James' frustration had much more to do with him being cooped up and unable to assist the war effort and protect his family in the way he truly wanted to.

[hexed gulch]

ah the game is not considered canon? I'm not very clear on the game tbh just picked it up

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, it's not. JKR wasn't directly involved and didn't give official approval either.

[hexed gulch]

smh I don't consider cursed child canon, like many, with the fanfiction like time traveling and shipping backstories and didn't make a lot of sense but JKR had a hand in it LOLLsbdjsjsjksks

[boreal shuttle]

I still believe that she had nothing to do with it save for maybe a very rough outline tbh. And yeah, I don't consider a "whatever, it's canon" on Twitter official confirmation either.

As long as I don't see a single plot element or character on the official WW page, it doesn't exist to me :p

[mint warren]

The canonicity of HL is up for debate since there’s nothing that officially says it one way or the other. We’ll likely see later down the road whether or not this new Hogwarts franchise that’s been talked about is considered to be part of the greater canon.

[warped thistle]

I wouldn't use the word interesting 😅
To be frank I think it's just wrong, but I guess I can't convince people who are stubborn and pretend like their headcanon idea is actual canon

[mint warren]

At the moment, it’s a separate story and canon that is heavily influenced by the Harry Potter IP. Whether or not any new original stories that come out of this is considered official is still up in the air.

[boreal shuttle]

That's the best course of action when it comes to something like that, facts don't count for much in some discussions. I've learned the hard way to steer clear of certain topics and people - like the "Draco had no choice!" or the "Snape was a bullied victim!" crowd, or pretty much any topic that usually attracts people who can only view things in absolutes; engaging in discussions like that is a surefire way to completely waste your time.

[hexed gulch]

is the maps and environments canonical accurate enough? like Hogwarts and hogsmeade map layout and design, I'm assuming it's based on everything we know and have from JKR

[warped thistle]

There probably were some artistical freedoms taken.
Not sure if you consider the movies canon, but if you do then the moving stairs in the game are noticeably different

[warped thistle]

🥲

[hexed gulch]

yeah I'm sad there weren't moving stairs but I'm considering it's not there for practicality of gameplay

[boreal shuttle]

I'd have to really dive deep into it to answer that question with absolute certainty but they're definitely more accurate than the films, Hogwarts especially. Hogsmeade takes some artistic freedom, like the location of certain shops for convenience, and is obviously smaller in size for practicality - but they can just play the "it was a different time"-card for that anyway.

[midnight spade]

I wish we'd had more of a deep dive into how the ancient magic worked. ||Like how the fluff was Ranrok able to control a dragon in the introduction? ||

[boreal shuttle]

I definitely hope they expand on that in the future. The Keepers and their trials kinda reminded me of Harry's lessons about Riddles past - like okay, cool, this is useful stuff... now teach me some magic.

[midnight spade]

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't make any sense- Don't get me wrong I love the mystical and unknown side to magic, but here it just seems like they pulled it out of a hat.

[mint warren]

You can definitely tell there was more to the story than we were given. Which I feel wouldn’t be as much of a problem if the writers and creators would announce there will be a continuation.

[boreal shuttle]

I was kinda hoping the entire time that Isidora's notes and memories would shed more light on the topic of ancient magic as a whole - she was a much more interesting character than the Keepers in general and it's a shame we got to see so little of her.

[mint warren]

I was anticipating Isidora to be the bbeg of the story, with her essence still controlling everything, or waiting to get out. But ultimately her entire story was kinda just…dismissed in the end.

[boreal shuttle]

I was also hoping that she had somehow managed to survive and was just pulling Ranrok's strings. It wasn't until after the third trial that I finally accepted that Rookwood and Ranrok are the only villains we get.

[boreal shuttle]

Jinxed!

[mint warren]

Lmao great minds think alike

[boreal shuttle]

But yeah, hopefully they'll announce a sequel relatively soon.

Still so much to learn about ancient magic and I need to see more of both of the Sallows. Anne is another character that was really underutilised.

[blazing blade]

So wands have a core that gives them their power right?

1: is a bigger core more powerful?

2 could you combine multiple cores into a staff?

[dapper lark]

Probably not or most people would be using staffs as everyone likes more power. Voldemort would have definitely not missed it with all his research into power. He wouldn’t stick with his Phoenix core for just sentimentality.

[blazing blade]

Hmm

Wait pheonix core is more powerful than dragon heartstring?

[boreal shuttle]

It can be for truly exceptional wizards and witches. The Phoenix feather core is pretty much the wild card amongst the three

[blazing blade]

Huh…

Are wands more powerful than using your hands to cast or is it more focused if you use a wand?

[dapper lark]

Natty seemed to say that it is more focused with a wand and much more flashy.

[boreal shuttle]

Since even African wizardkind eventually incorporated wands into their culture, it definitely seems to have advantages when it comes to focus and potentially even the power behind spells.

[blazing blade]

Huh

Aight now potions/plants… are there any that are illegal?

Cause they’re surprisingly lax on that

[dapper lark]

They should probably still teach some wandless magic though, just so people aren’t defenseless without their wands.

[boreal shuttle]

There are quite a few potions and plants that are highly regulated in either their creation or usage but afaik not a single one that is completely illegal.

[blazing blade]

Huh… interesting

[random moon]

I’m pretty sure most poisons would also be heavily restricted.

If anyone could just buy an undetectable poison whenever they wanted from any Potioneer then that would be a problem.

They’re probably black market items

[hexed gulch]

the one thing that had always bugged me since we know wandless magic exists so openly across the world ,is why are wizarding folk not training at least for a simple and effective wandless Accio spell so when they lose or get disarmed their wands they can summon it back from nearby like Jedi with lightsabers, and save a lot of issues lololol

[mint warren]

I’m assuming it has to do with culture. British wizards and witches are just more accustomed to wand work.

[modern moth]

Didnt Proffesor Fig accio'd key without a wand in tutorial? Or I am just blind?

[raw lotus]

My theory is that it is simpler to use magic through the use of wand. So the wand would work like a "channel" to focus your magical power so that only the strongest sorcerers are able to practice wandless magic

[worthy trench]

I mean at least the Portkey games stories are outright non-canon. Legends was considered the official canon by basically everyone but GL for decades. So Portkey can do what they wish in theory but won't cos they want to respect the canon lore despite the games stories not being canon to it.

Wand users have been using them for 1000s of years, they are accustomed to it, become dependant on them to use magic, so they won't find wandless magic easy in general if they stop. And the wand does focus magic and in one case amplifies every spell they cast.

So one wand, the EW, does have an adantage over all other wands and wandless magic. With the right skill and method, all wands could be made to do what the EW could.

The tradeoff for the power boost though is the lack of loyalty from the wand

That may be the Elder wood though which is known to backfire on casters

[blissful ginkgo]

Take a look at most modern esoteric books. Wands, Staffs, Rings or other components are often used as focus or catalysts for Rituals. Saying this Rituals going back in time, there would be reason for it. Now take the Harry Potter Universe into account, it’s a fantasy World with similarities to our World. When even non mages recognize this. Than think what would Experts on Magic find out?

[worthy trench]

So its actually possible the power is due to the wood and core and skill it was made so maybe other other wand combos can't do what the EW could

HP doesn't seem to have rituals that operate like RL magic folklore mostly.

Like Peter likely didn't need all that ceremony he did when reviving LV.

Just the cauldron, the boiling water, the guy himself, the ingrdiants and the incantation for the spell. Probably could have just non-chalantly did it all instead of the dramatic way he did it.

Like do it in most bored way ever or like it was a daily thing he did.

Could have potentially just used a tiny bit of blood and flesh too. May have been no need to chop his hand off

Like doesn't say what quantity of flesh or blood needed, just that you need it

bone is usable as bone dust

HP magic tends to use all forms of magic except theamurgic (divine/god) magic

since there's no known deities actually existing in WW

[dull tiger]

Fortnite lore Harry Potter

[hardy jasper]

can we get like a stone guardian spell like the ones on the trial where it also breaks the bypass and we can kill everything and everyone

honestly that would be dope

[dull tiger]

I want to kill the house elf he talk too much

[blissful ginkgo]

I don’t say they would have Rituals as Mages. I say the non Mages would have similar folklore. Now think this way, maybe the Rituals are a way to conceal magic in a time where the people lived in tribes as Nomads. Some Time later the mage and non mage world Split, by the mages going into hiding. Rituals in non Mage World survived, while in Mage World was no more need for concealment. So Rituals got forgotten.

[hardy jasper]

i wanna kill fig

[dull tiger]

fr tho

[hardy jasper]

oh wait he dead (i apologize)

[worthy trench]

you can mod to stop him talking

unless your on console ofc

[dull tiger]

It’s lore that deek doesn’t shut up

[hardy jasper]

can they add like mods to console

[dull tiger]

I might just do that

[hardy jasper]

like i wanna play as CJJ

[mint warren]

Remember it’s against the rules to discuss mods

[worthy trench]

oh yeah sorry

[dull tiger]

Its lore that I’m only getting 10 fps with a 4090 128gb ram and ryzen 9 7900x

[blissful ginkgo]

In the End it’s all just a theory to explain how there are similarities in a fantasy world without saying writer got inspiration from RL folklore, which is properly the Main reason

[worthy trench]

I suspect rituals were used in older times by wizards alongisde muggles when pagan religions were far more prelevant. Like I can see rites performed to speak to the dead using the charm thats on the resurrection stone (assuming the Peverell didn't make the incantation) given we know someone made the Veil and its older than the Ministry.

[hexed gulch]

thing is other cultures practice wandless magic and kids with magical abilities perform some random feats without a wand from accidents, and possibly very powerful feats too depending on the innate power, it is very likely you can hone the wandless ability with training, and does not require extensive ritual magic etc for something so simple as Accio or just moving an object in general, it's not creating flame (kid Tom Riddle) or vanishing objects (kid harry potter) or alchemy etc, moving something is a very basic sort of thing, imo it should be trainable , just that wand users in the known HP universe which is based on Britain became dependent and for regulation of magic use and keeping kids from doing magic without studies, and so on, it just became more tradition than not possible

I just think they should be making it mandatory to train wandless Accio particularly to retrieve their wand when out of hand haha

even if it's like a corporeal patronus thing where not everyone can produce it it's at least worth it to train and those who can manage to do it will have that skill, and wouldn't run into a lot of issues of losing their wands esp in dangerous situations

[mint warren]

I view it like silverware. Is it required to eat? No. Do you use it for every meal? No. But some cultures use it more than others.

[hexed gulch]

does it cut a steak, yes, can u cut a steak with ur hands.... maybe........ but it'll be hard 😂 but now can u scoop rice in your mouth without a spoon, yes, easily, some things will be easier to manage wandless

[worthy trench]

A wandless user can use magic just as well as a wand user, its just easier to focus with a wand and ofc a wand of specific make like the EW is seemingly required to achieve the amplification effect on spells that other wands cannot do, so i presume wandless can't get that effect without such a wand either thus the wand has advantages in the sense its a better focus and it can if of a particular make do something no other wand is known to be able to do.

But overall its just about, practice and adaptation and the fact many have become dependant on wands more than wandless since antiquity

Remove a wand from them and many wizards are just powerless to do nearly any magic of intent. Apparition does not need a wand it seems though not all wizards can do it and not safely either

[hexed gulch]

I seems like it's just convenient plot point that they don't train a useful wandless Accio to retrieve the wands they set aside, lose or drop at minimum, it just seems like the logical thing to do LOL

[random moon]

It’s a cultural thing.

Magic with wands has been a part of the European Wizarding lifestyle for well over a thousand years or more. It’s so deeply ingrained into the culture that wandless magic is much harder for them to grasp, let alone master.

Sure you might be able to do some things but often involuntarily due to emotional stress, (like Harry making the glass disappear at the zoo and making Aunt Marge into a balloon) but outside of that it’s hard to accomplish without serious practice and a lot of skill.

Wands are the norm. It’s what they know best and much like Muggles, they’re averse to going against the grain and changing something that’s green in place for such a long time

[azure arch]

Thought it was pretty well explained that wands make magic much easier to perform and wandless magic is incredibly difficult.
Where goblins and house elves can perform wandless magic seemingly on command, wands are the wizard and witches great equalizer. Your average wizard wouldn't put up much of a fight agaisnt a house elf without a wand.
Same with nonverbal. nonverbal and wandless magic is really slow boating exceptional skill and talent for a wizard, but it's common place for an Elf or goblin.

[hexed gulch]

no I understand why, but the logic question is with how many times witches and wizards lose, drop, get disarmed etc, for those thousands of years, you'd figure they'd at least train the wandless Accio wand spell, it's just logical, and too common of an issue and huge danger to not fix

[azure arch]

seems like wandless magic for nearly all wizards is just unpredictable like Harry doing random stuff, none of which he did intentionally.
So doing something wandless with intent seems to be incredibly difficult for most.

like accio with a wand is skill level 5, non verbal accio with a wand is skill level 25 and a wandless accio is like skill level 150.
It seems so incredibly difficult that someone acutely doing an intentional spell is considered a Great wizard like Dumbelsore or Merlin level amazing.

[boreal shuttle]

It's not, African wizards and witches learn it from a very young age. Wandless magic being extremely difficult is a fanon/fanfiction trope that has never actually been canon. As Siren said, it's a cultural thing.

[azure arch]

Yet they started using wands when introduced, because you can do more with one.

[boreal shuttle]

They incorporated wands into their culture because they're useful and have obvious advantages, not because it's way easier to cast magic with them. The same way others should incorporate wandless casting into their own culture and curriculum because that too has obvious advantages.

[mint warren]

It's not so much that magic is more difficult, but that magic via a wand is more focused and can enhance a wizard's power should they be compatible with their wand. Wand work provides more power due to them having an artificial focus with a "swish and flick" whereas bare magic is more ready to use at a moment's notice.

[boreal shuttle]

Exactly. Both have obvious advantages and I feel like Hogwarts should at least offer wandless casting as an elective - teaching both full-time simultaneously would be too much for most students but separate beginner and advanced courses just seem like a smart choice.

[mint warren]

Though…given the time period and the fact that this is still Britain we’re talking about…it doesn’t surprise me the Ministry or Black hasn’t considered making that part of the curriculum.

[boreal shuttle]

It's definitely not surprising in general, yeah. We just have to look at the Wizengamot and how they handle things, as well as the rampant corruption within the ministry to come to the conclusion that introducing new things into British Wizarding society and culture is a life's work at best.

[mint warren]

I do wish there was a Foreign Magic class. That’d be really interesting to see.

[boreal shuttle]

Even without a dedicated course, they could have at least introduced aspects of foreign culture and history in History of Magic... if they had a decent professor.

[mint warren]

Yeah, unfortunately Hogwarts cares more about the individual magical aptitude of the students rather than much else.

[boreal shuttle]

It's honestly surprising to me that Muggle Studies is a thing as an elective.

Though I do wonder how long it has been around.

[mint warren]

From what I gathered, I believe it only started being a thing within the 20th century when the school started accepting more and more muggle born.

[boreal shuttle]

Oh, yeah, the 20th century seems almost like a given. I'm more interested in whether or not Dumbledore had something to do with it or if it already existed before he became Headmaster.

[mint warren]

Hmm…do we know who Dumbledore’s predecessor was? I don’t think it was Black, I was sure there was a headmaster between them.

[boreal shuttle]

Armando Dippet

[mint warren]

That’s right. I can see him being invested in spearheading muggle born education.

[boreal shuttle]

He was rumoured to have been a hardcore traditionalist but these rumours aren't exactly based on direct canon lore. So it's definitely possible, especially since we know that he at the very least wasn't a blood purist.

[blazing blade]

So let’s say I wanted to be the strongest wizard out there… what’s the steps I’d need to take?

Pheonix feather wand is one of them

What else?

[boreal shuttle]

I wouldn't say that a Phoenix feather core guarantees stronger magic than Dragon heartstring or Horned Serpent horn, it's also not really a step you can take considering you don't get to choose your wand and its components. Other than that it's pretty straight forward: Learn everything you can about all forms of magic, work harder than everyone else and most importantly, have the talent and power to pull it off to begin with.

Generally you just need to take a look at Dumbledore's life. He didn't do anything specifically, he simply had the talent, power, intelligence and inherent curiosity about magic to become the best of the best. Could he have taken that even further via various rituals and delving into even more obscure forms of magic? Probably but then again there's always a price to pay that might not be worth it in the long run - we just have to look at Riddle to know how true this is.

Then one can obviously look for the Elder Wand, but that has its own very unique drawbacks as well, so it might be best to make that your final step lol.

Not just for its power but also the knowledge of previous owners.

[blazing blade]

So stick to the straight and narrow? Got it

[bitter drum]

Can Ominis open the chamber since he can speak snake also he was in the gaunt family also his grandma was in charge of the chamber and could open it ?

[peak tundra]

Anyone who can speak parseltounge would be able to open the chamber, if they knew where it was. I would expect Ominis to at least have heard of its existence from his family, but doubt he actively searched and opened it if we go by the storyline we got in HL

[dull zodiac]

Yea, he probably knew it existed, but might not be fully aware of what was in there. Although feel like he would never go after it since he's so against dark magic and i think killing muggle borns with a basilisk isnt really dark magic, but it's at the same level of evil-ness

[coarse sparrow]

Them: yeah I know everything about the wizarding world
Also them when Sophronia quizzes them:

[dull zodiac]

Damnnnn i forgot about that. The first few were easy and then the second round was brutal

[blazing blade]

Which wand wood is the most powerful again? I know the wand chooses its owner not the other way around I’m just curious is all

[warm ivy]

The most loyal wood

Some wands won't work for you if you take it from it's owner

[mint warren]

Rowan wood is considered the best since it’s the most durable and the defensive spells made by it are much stronger.

However, if you’re looking for raw power, that’d be elder wood. The only problem is that it’s extremely difficult to use since it’s prone to rejecting its wielder at a moment’s notice if they’re deemed not strong enough.

[silk raft]

But due to the hl mc ability to see and use ancient magic an elder wand is granted to take about a minute timeout before deciding if the person who beat you is stronger and more worthy of it's ownership.

[mint warren]

Lol oh yeah, in the game your wand type doesn’t mean much. It’s just there to add something to your profile.

[azure arch]

According to wand lore, it's mostly just biased superstition on woods and woods like cores have slight personality traits, but Elder wood has a very negativie stereotype because of the Elder Wand.
Olivander dismisses the prejudice aimed at Elder wood as most wand makers won't use it, just because no one wants to buy them due to public perception of it.

Wouldn't be any different if someone had made a powerful wand from redwood and called it The Red Death, murdered 50 people with it, and everyone associated redwood wands with murderers and evil deeds.
No one would buy redwood wands after that because people would think your a murderer too.

[worthy trench]

Well the EW has been around for centuries and all known wielders prior to AD were killed for it. So its ingrained elder wand wood in public perception negatively for 100s of years.

And the wood is known to make wands made of it backfire on its owners if they ain't meeting the wand's expectations

[lucid coral]

Grindelwald being the only exception as he was alive in Deadly Hallows

If there was anyone else. I do not know

[worthy trench]

Yah thats true.

[azure arch]

The point is it's all based on unsubstantiated accounts and prejudices, much like the rest of Rowlings writing.

The Unreliable Narator who rights false views into their work from the point of characters, and not only what's reap from the point of the author.

Everything associated with the Elder Wand is a product of public belief. The only actual fact is that it was create long long ago and is an extremely powerful wand for reasons unknown.
All the negativity is based on people's greed to possess it, or fear of it.

[modern moth]

I forgot where can i get the house quiz

[daring blaze]

I k ow the killing curse was instantaneous but was it painless? If I remember right it wasn't entirely.

[flat zealot]

« Does it hurt? »
« Dying? Not at all. Quicker and easier than falling asleep. »

(From DH chap 33, if I remember correctly)

[dull zodiac]

Wizarding world, have to make an account

[modern moth]

I mean in the game

[dull zodiac]

Ohh uhm, i dont know about a house quiz.. There is a npc who ||quizzes you in the library||, but idk if that's what u mean

[modern moth]

But i see ppl doing it..

[dull zodiac]

Sorry, i dont know what u mean, maybe someone else can help you

[modern moth]

Alr. Dw

[outer pendant]

Speakin of that quiz. Howd they expect any average harry potter fan to know half of that stuff. Granted i havent read or watched nearly all the main stuff but still

That wasnt a harry potter quiz. It was a typing quiz to see how fast i could type the question into google.

And to think the reward for answering all of it right was some potions.

No wonder no one wanted to answer her stuff.

[dull zodiac]

I mean, i have read the books multiple times and seen the films very often (granted, it has been quite some years, but still) and the first quiz was really easy, but the 2nd round was brutal on me

[dull zodiac]

Yea, feel like the O.W.L.S. would have been easier haha

[outer pendant]

Most of it felt legitimately impossible

Unless youre a die hard nerd of hp stuff

Well maybe not most but a considerable amount

1 or 2 crazy questions, sure thats fine. But dude.

Anyways, did they fix the biscuit bug. Like if i redownloaded the game to go finish the platinum that i SHOULDVE gotten week 1 of the game, will i be able to save biscuit. Or is that lock still gonna be gone. I just realized this is lore chat

[dull zodiac]

I felt like u had to read all of the additional books they released in order to answer those questions

[boreal shuttle]

But isn't that kind of the point? One round, and the only mandatory one, for new & casual fans, one for the lore buffs and another one for the absolute lore nerds.

I personally loved the quiz, round 3 especially, but I will agree that the rewards are underwhelming.

[boreal shuttle]

That quote is from Sirius, who wasn't actually hit by the Killing Curse in canon.

[flat zealot]

true ^^

[boreal shuttle]

Since Avada Kedavra quite literally destroys the life and very essence of a living being without injuring them in any way, it is most definitely painless.

[flat zealot]

Round 3 was fun, round 1 was excruciatingly easy. Round 2 was the right level of difficulty, when not everything is immediately obvious.

As for the reward: I tried giving all of the wrong answers, and I think I got the same?

[boreal shuttle]

That's... kinda anticlimactic lol.

[flat zealot]

yup. Your answers don't matter, as in almost all of the game ^^

[daring blaze]

Doesn't it rip out someone's soul? I have to imagine that comes with some sort of pain.

Nvm.

[naive rock]

Does anyone know how a horcrux works? When Voldemort’s AK rebounded off Harry and ejected his soul from his body, why did it remain in the earthly realm and in what state, and how were the horcruxes involved, if at all, in that process? I know that Tom Riddle’s diary wanted to invade Ginny and perhaps this is how the horcrux is supposed to work but if it succeeded in doing so then what would happen to the part of Voldemort hanging out in that Albanian forest after Quirrel died? Perhaps the two could meet and then they would join together as one? This makes sense considering Harry’s scar hurts him whenever Voldemort is near because the horcrux is trying to escape and rejoin with Voldemort. But it still doesn’t explain why Voldemort’s soul remained on earth in whatever state it was in after that night in Godric’s Hollow. The only thing I can think of is that if a part of your soul remains on earth then no other part can leave. And then it’s just a matter of finding a body to invade. Any ideas?

[random moon]

Horcruxes work a bit link anchors.

Having one means that instead of moving on beyond the veil. The soul remains in the world of the living but is more tangible than a ghost (as it can possess living beings to a degree. Because the Horcrux acts as an anchor for the “main” soul.

It’s why Tom Riddles diary could possess Ginny to a degree or at least influence her actions. It then started to drain her life in order to try and actualise itself into a living being and not a memory fuelled by a soul fragment

The rebounded AK didn’t just kill Voldy, it destroyed his physical body and left nothing for him to hop back into which was why he later had a rudimentary body used to create a physical form

[modern moth]

I found the quiz and done 4/5

[naive rock]

That makes sense. What would have happened if the diary managed to possess Ginny? That was only a fragment of his soul. Also how did the AK destroy his body if AK doesn’t affect the body?

[random moon]

Unknown. It was draining her life to try and make itself real. It might have just been a body for the main soul to then hop into and rejoin the fragment in the diary.

Also unknown. It could have been that because Harry was protected and the spell rebounded, it amplified or altered it in a way that meant it destroyed his physical body in the process

[naive rock]

Yeah makes sense. As for the second point do you think it’s just an oversight by JKR? Seems like a pretty big one though.

Finally, if the AK didn’t destroy his body, would it just not have had any effect on him?

[random moon]

Possibly. She never did elaborate on exactly why the rebounding AK destroyed his body.

I think it still would have killed him. But with his physical body just there he could have just hopped right back in.

[naive rock]

I can’t seem to find anything about his disembodied form. You say it was sort of like a ghost? And why did he choose that forest in Albania?

Was that unicorn blood sucking being in the Philosopher’s Stone his disembodied form? I always felt that was a weird part because he was supposed to be attached to Quirrel at that point so to see him kind of drift about in the films didn’t make sense.

[random moon]

It was a place known for dark magic. I suppose he hoped he might find a way to restore his physical body there.

[random moon]

That was because he was like a parasite on Quirrel. The Unicorn blood helped keep both Hist and parasite functioning

[naive rock]

So he was able to leave Quirrel whenever he wanted? Or was that Quirrel/Voldemort combo drinking the blood in the film?

[random moon]

He wouldn’t have been able to leave and return as he wanted.

It was Quirrel drinking the blood to sustain both himself and his parasite

[naive rock]

Okay I was just confused because it looked like he was drifting around in the film. Maybe Quirrel knew some magic floating spell lol or the movie just did that to make him seem more scary. I don’t remember how it was described in the books. Thanks for all the clarification and help.

[random moon]

Voldy could have taught him unsupported flight or partially possessed the “main” body allowing him to fly off like that.

[naive rock]

Okay so the book says he got to his feet before he rushes to Harry in the forest. So looks like the movie just took some creative liberty.

[glad panther]

there is no in game quiz without mods but you can go online and do it

[dull zodiac]

Where was it?

[arctic lichen]

so i just did the quiz in the library and the girl say poly juice potion can't change ur species..... then how did hermine turn in to a huge cat in HP2?

[random moon]

That’s the point.

It doesn’t let you change species, that’s why Hermione became this half human half cat thing. Because the potion doesn’t work with any other species but humans.

[flat zealot]

She didn't change species completely, and was stuck, exactly because polyjuice failed

[arctic lichen]

oh

[rare knot]

Speaking of Horcruxes - are you able to move Horcruxes between objects if you so desire? Or is the piece of your soul linked only to the object you originally placed it in.

[worthy trench]

No seems not

Once its in the object thats it would seem

Only way to remove the soul piece intact is to show remorse for the murders you commited to make em and just restores your soul to whole or whats left of it and removes your immortality and may kill you in the process

[rare knot]

See what confuses me here

Is if you place your soul in a living being (say Nagini, or Harry) is that happens if they were to theoretically die of old age or (in Harry's case) due to someone else's actions? What then happens to the Horcrux?

[warped thistle]

Destroyed. That's why Voldemort stopped sending out nagini and started to place her inside a protection charm when he noticed Harry started to destroy some of his horcruxes

[rare knot]

It seems to dumb to have placed your Horcrux into being that would eventually die. Also Dumbledore stressed that Voldemort had to be the one to kill him. Just curious what would otherwise happen.

[daring spire]

Its unknown if a horcrux can die of natural causes as both Harry’s and Naginis death weren’t caused naturally. Pretty sure its also not sure wether the killing curse can actually destroy intended horcruxes or if there is a distinction between intended horcruxes and accidents like Harry was

[boreal shuttle]

It was essential for Voldemort to kill Harry because that was the only way for Harry to come back, due to their very unique connection born out of the soul piece and Lily's sacrifice/blood; otherwise Harry would have just died. It also had the added bonus of bestowing an apparently altered form of the sacrificial protection onto every single person Harry was willing to die for.

As for Voldemort turning Nagini into a Horcrux: As others have said, it's unknown if a living Horcrux can even die of old age but the in my opinion integral part is that Voldemort made that decision prior to regaining his body, while severely weakened, desperate to finalise his original plan of having six Horcruxes and arguably not entirely of sound mind.

[dull zodiac]

Maybe it would've made it easier for Voldemort to get "into" Nagini's mind and control what she was doing or see what she was seeing, idk probably not, just a thought

[worthy trench]

I assume a living Horcrux will ultimately die of natural causes and the Horcrux die with them. And i assume a killling curse or any other magic that can otherwise destroy a horcrux could kill the horcurx in side a living horcrux aswell along with the being unless shenanigans like in LVs case with HP

[warped thistle]

I think the reason could have been that Dumbledoor suspected Harry was a Horcrux so Voldemorts soul part within Harry has to die for Voldemort to die, and maybe Dumbledoor hoped, that if Voldemort was the one who cast the killing curse on Harry, that could be Harrys only way to survive since Voldemort in some sense is commiting a bit of a suicide by killing part of his soul, so maybe that way Harry as the carier of that soul part could survive - but if someone else than Voldemort would have tried to kill Harry, they would just have killed both Harry and Voldemorts soul part within him.

[daring blaze]

So we know the killinv curse can be dodged and blocked with solid obstacles which means it can be influenced. What about if there was water between a target and the killing curse? Would it dissipate in water? Pass through as if nothing were there? Move slower in water? We do know the effects of the killing curse on objects. If no living think was hit it would cause an explosion or fire. If one raised a barrier of water would itnevaporate? It's not actually fire or else it'd leave burns I would think. It can also cause explosionns. Can the spell's trajectory be influenced? If one used depulso or decendo or any other force spell could the killing curse be redirected? Unlike untangible spells without physical bolts or projectiles like the full body bind curse the killing curse releases a projectile. Could this prjectile be influenced like a bullet? While it's stated it can't be defended against by shield charms and such would it also be unaffected by spells that create physical force? This is my query and if it's trajectory can be altered, could one cause the curse to hit the caster of it? Another quick thought is it'd be really funny if there was a spell that intentionally made the spell of your opponent rebound like if you cast it on them or their wand. It'd be an excellent duelling spell.

[flat zealot]

I don't think Rowling planned this far. On top of this, this could not be checked safely, as Crucio at least requires a target according to the game (not sure why, but we can guess avada as well)

[worthy trench]

Pretty sure it has to a physical object made of solid matter to be able to block the curse. Water is liquid so its likely the energy jet would just pass through it i think

Solid matter can either deflect the energy or block it resullting in the energy exploding along with said object suffering some of kind of damge or exploding itself.

[ebon crane]

what house was/is professor garlick in?

i have no idea what she would be

[rare knot]

Hufflepuff

[ebon crane]

YOOOO

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

hufflepuff be built different, frfr

the rest of the houses like to huff their own farts

that is a joke by the way

[knotty lodge]

i don't think water would stop it's course at all

[agile grove]

So thats why people stay in the pungent corridor

[rare knot]

Would it be fair to say that Ravenclaw has the lowest number of significant alumni in the Wizarding World of the Houses?

[boreal shuttle]

Significant in what way exactly? Ravenclaw has the lowest number of alumni we know of but a pretty high quality - including several important inventors, like the beloved (!) Ignatia Wildsmith, and more known Ministers for Magic than any other house but Hufflepuff.

Without HL and other non-canon sources Ravenclaw is most definitely dead last though.

[dapper lark]

At least we had Gilderoy Lockhart. He’s done an incredible amount of things and won lots of smile competitions. 🙃

[boreal shuttle]

It really is too bad that we never got to read Gilderoy Lockhart and the Chamber of Secrets, that would have been yet another smashing bestseller!

But if we limit the whole topic to HL, Ravenclaw has some pretty significant alumni with Hecat, Niamh Fitzgerald and Isidora. That definitely could have been worse considering the hand we've been dealt with the companions.

[random moon]

You mean lack thereof

And the House Exclusive quest which was the absolute worst out of all houses, hands down

[boreal shuttle]

I think Slytherins house quest is just as bad tbh but other than that, yeah.

Okay, it's slightly better lol.

[random moon]

At least you meet someone new and do something a bit more interesting than going to the Owlery and putting statues in alcoves lol

[random moon]

I didn’t even realise that was Ravenclaws unique quest because honestly any House could have done that.

It took me looking it up to realise that was it. That’s the exclusive quest.

[boreal shuttle]

But Hufflepuff and Gryffindor have genuinely fun and well-designed quests. They're still a bit on the short sight but compared to Slytherin and Ravenclaw they're fantastic.

[boreal shuttle]

Yeah, it really does nothing for house identity or any feeling of uniqueness.

[random moon]

Exactly

Doesn’t have any fun or interesting backstory. Just “oh yeah a dude stole a family wand years back and I, an incredibly intelligent wandmaker, couldn’t figure out that putting the statues back was the solution”

It doesn’t even make sense lol

It’s not even a puzzle that you have to really think about or think outside the box to get.

A riddle/mini treasure hunt would have been better. With short riddles hinting at where to go and what to do.

Would have been far more engaging

[dapper lark]

It was a tiny bit cool to be on the super top of the owlery though

[boreal shuttle]

That's really a theme throughout the entire game though, all the way up to the ending - the students they chose to cheer with you when you win the house cup don't really make sense, aside from the ones for Gryffindor and to a lesser extent Hufflepuff. Slytherin gets absolutely denied with three characters who had zero real screen time and who we basically don't know, at all. I mean, Ominis not joining you makes sense but where is Sebastian - if you don't report him - or even Grace? She had her own side quest and was part of Summoner's Court as well, and yet they chose three complete no-names over her.
Ravenclaw got two no-names as well even though it's actually the house with the most side-quest relevant NPCs.

[random moon]

You can get there on your broom though lol

Any House probably can

[random moon]

Agreed lol

With the Ravenclaw ones I was like “wait no who are you people? Get away from me, where are my actual friends?”

Like wouldn’t it have been way cooler if Natty, Poppy Seb (if you weren’t a filthy traitor) and Ominis cane over to cheer you, even though their Houses lost they still want to support their friends and feel proud and happy for them.

[boreal shuttle]

All of that makes me extremely optimistic about a sequel or DLC though, because due to the parts that feel rushed or anticlimactic you can tell that they wanted to do much more - especially if you consider that we have cut content of actual companion dialogue for most of the important students - but they didn't have the time.

[random moon]

If DLC will give me more Seb and Ominis then my wallet is ready lol.

[boreal shuttle]

I still love HL and think it's super impressive as Avalanche's first showing in the genre and AAA space, but you can definitely see the lack of experience in some areas. Very excited to see what they do next.

[boreal shuttle]

And Anne please! I immediately adored her character when she was introduced and then we barely saw her again, let alone got to interact with her. Such a bummer.

[dapper lark]

Ominis didn’t come over, but he did cheer for Ravenclaw us.

[boreal shuttle]

That's 100% a bug. Ravenclaw has three lines of cheering, Slytherin only one.

[random moon]

Yes more Anne too

I’d sell a kidney for more of the Sallow Twins and best blind lad, Ominis

[boreal shuttle]

Ominis' line was simply misplaced.

[dapper lark]

Nah, I guess ominis is just more friends with me. Jk

[boreal shuttle]

It's by far the most open-ended of the companion quests, so I'm hopeful.

You can really feel the "to be continued" hanging in the air during the last conversation with Sebastian.

[random moon]

Right?

And there’s no real aftermath between Seb and Ominis (depending on your choice) like if you don’t turn him in, it would be great to see Ominis being a bit more short or aloof with him because their friendship is strained.

But he’s still friendly with you

And then it’s up to you to try and help repair the rift between them, or push them further away

[modern moth]

anyone need help with anything hogwarts legacy related

[tiny flower]

Yes

If they don’t give us dlc, they are missing a massive opportunity. I don’t even care if it’s paid at this point. I’ll pay the extra 20-40 for a really good dlc

[random moon]

Same lol

More companion stuff (esoecially the best snek bois) and I’ll give a kidney

[tiny flower]

I don’t think I’ll go that far… but my wallet is certainly ready!

[flat zealot]

Would like to see more of Poppy’s questlines.

I’d like to refurbish the place where the snidgets were found, bring beasts there with the help of centaurs, and try to put an end to the poaching.

Like actually reducing the number of poachers on the map throughout the quest, by capturing some for trials.

[dapper lark]

I have no time for trials I must kill every poacher I see.

[flat zealot]

Fine. Would be fun going hunting for Poppy’s parents…

[dapper lark]

I suppose killing her parents is too far. Fine, trial it is.

[tiny flower]

Were Death Eaters Voldemorts elite? Or were they just throwaway nobodies?

[mint warren]

Death Eaters is the name of their specific faction. Their primary goal is to purge any witch or wizard who was born in a muggle family.

[tiny flower]

Oh so they’re nothing special? I saw somewhere that they were his elite

[mint warren]

The Death Eaters that we’re most familiar with were part of Voldemort’s inner circle. But the Death Eaters as a whole were more of a terrorist organization.

[tiny flower]

I love their style with the masks. Wish we saw them more with them on.

[boreal shuttle]

They're both special and not so special at the same time. They are described as Voldemort's elite force but we still know that not all Death Eaters have the same rank or importance to Voldemort - e.g. his inner circle seems to be exclusive to his strongest and most important supporters, like the ones who Apparated to his side when summoned via the Dark Mark.

[tiny flower]

And also, does anyone know what happens to Lucius Malfoy after Voldemorts defeat?

[boreal shuttle]

He was pardoned alongside the rest of his family due to Narcissa's role in Voldemort's defeat and him providing intel that helped to convict and capture other Death Eaters and followers of Voldemort after the fact.

He was also somewhat involved in the plot of Cursed Child but I'd rather not talk about that :p

[tiny flower]

Lucius is so overlooked as a character imo.

[coarse sparrow]

Voldemort: I shall destroy now Harry
starts monologuing for 10 minutes

[tiny flower]

Anyone know how Voldemort cuts Snapes neck? What’s the spell he uses?

[modern moth]

non-verbal diffindo?

[tiny flower]

You think?

[modern moth]

that looks like some sort of cutting spell.

[tiny flower]

Shifting subject, you also gotta wonder why Slytherin gets all the hate and reputation as “the bad guys.”

Harry’s father was a bit crap in his youth. Pettigrew betrayed all of his friends AND got them killed. Both Gryffindors.

Before Voldemort, I don’t think Slytherin had a really bad reputation. Even in HL, they seem to be a bit more looked up on than they do in the Harry Potter saga

[modern moth]

Exactly, the game really portayed some kind Slytherin.

[tiny flower]

Arguably the most kind imo

[modern moth]

Most of the Slytherin characters in the game are kind( exclude that one during beast class), and some people from other house really not. Like I had a bad impression with that hufflepuff girl in the Bubotuber quest. Also that Ravenclaw girl paired with that Slytherin during beast class.

[tiny flower]

That’s why I like Hogwarts Legacy as well. It shows that all the houses are equally as nasty. I think Slytherin is just brutally honest, while the others tend to hide it

We’re going back and forth in two different chats lol

[modern moth]

topic restriction, man. Some of the stuffs we talk do contains some spoilers.

[tiny flower]

Let’s just say that whenever I hear “Gryffindor” I see Pettigrew

[worthy trench]

Snape's own spell i think, Septumsepra

[flat zealot]

Once again, honesty and cunning don’t go hand in hand.

But yeah, the game is set in an earlier time, and it is under Phineas’ time that Slytherin starts to really get this reputation.

Phineas has a penchant for pure bloods, and as a Slytherin alumni, really favors Slytherin pure-blood, to the point where some rules do not apply to them.

This in turn causes even more pure-blood to go to Slytherin, and, before you know it, Slytherin becomes the house of the pure-bloods solely. Adding to that their untouchability under Black’s tenure, and you get a group with a lot of bullies.

Then, you get two dark mages and the children effect:

• Pure bloods are told they are more important, and children believe that more than adults. They become ready to consider others as even not fully human.
• Pure bloods from rich/powerful families are raised to take the mantle of their family and therefore consider themselves even more important.

[tiny flower]

I didnt think Slytherin was a pure blood ONLY House?

[modern moth]

Snape and Tom Riddle: ?

[flat zealot]

It is in Harry’s time. We know a few half blood, but due to Black and Voldemort’s influences, plus Snape’s original tendances, it becomes a house where blood is more important than almost anything else. Half bloods (Davies, Snape, Riddle) are tolerated, but this is clearly the most prejudiced house, due to having the most children of death eaters…

[tiny flower]

And like a bunch of other Slytherins

[flat zealot]

Which is logical due to Voldemort recruiting there after school.

[tiny flower]

Slytherin wasn't really brought to light until recently. Most people just say "bad guys." Now we see there's a lot more to them than that

[flat zealot]

But when you say « a lot of others », I’m pretty sure I can give you a pure blood for every half blood you mention.

[mint warren]

Pure bloods are more drawn to Slytherin, but it’s never been solely a ‘pure bloods only’ house, even back in Salazar’s day.

[flat zealot]

The point of the books is to show that, even then, they are not all bad, and some were simply pushed to there.

[modern moth]

Salazar favours pure-blood, but he never solely want pure blood in his house.

[mint warren]

Well the books were always in the philosophy of Slytherins being all bad, and even when they weren’t, they were still inherently immoral people.

[flat zealot]

I agree, not pure blood only. I wouldn’t want to be a muggleborn in Salazar’s day, or in Harry’s day, and be sorted to Slytherin

[flat zealot]

Regulus Black?

[tiny flower]

I'd say the more "extremist" Slytherins say "Pure Blood only." Most dont really care.

[modern moth]

Well, Harry Potter almost got sorted into Slytherin

[flat zealot]

We see at least two examples of Slytherins being pushed towards Voldemort and regretting it.

[modern moth]

Malfoy

[tiny flower]

Deep down, you know Lucius regretted it. Thats why he dipped lol

I always found the Lucius and Voldemort relationship based around fear rather than loyalty

[mint warren]

Slytherin characters in the books were all morally complex people, but they are always individuals that needed to fight against their worst natures. Whereas Gryffindor (the morally good house) mostly comprised of individuals who were inherently good.

[flat zealot]

Well, we can do a challenge. Let’s say you can mention any non extremist or non pure blood slytherin, and I have to give you in return one that is both pure blood and extremist.

[tiny flower]

Ominis

[flat zealot]

(From the books)

[mint warren]

Rowling’s perceptions of the houses were more inspired on her own experiences in British schools.

[tiny flower]

Too late, I already said it

[flat zealot]

If you take the game: Ominis’s parents

Gave you two for one ^^

[mint warren]

It wasn’t until the fandom got ahold of the property that the moral nuances of the houses started coming to light.

[tiny flower]

I actually like when lore gets created. Makes things more interesting

[flat zealot]

And I’ll also compensate the half bloods Tom Riddle and Severus Snape by two of their contemporaries: Walburga Black and Amycus Carrow

[tiny flower]

There's never "good" and "bad"

[flat zealot]

And that is shown, imo, by Regulus and Pettigrew. Pettigrew had everything handed to him, but still betrayed, while Regulus had an example of how badly he was gonna be treated, and was pushed into an ideology he heard from the beginning, but still turned to the life and gave his life for it, knowing it never would be known.

I like how you gave one, then stopped. There are more half bloods and good people, you know? Or at least people we don’t know the alignment of.

[tiny flower]

You asked for one...

[mint warren]

It really does. Rowling created the houses to reflect how common rooms were divided in her school. Slytherin was inspired on her elitist bullies who came from the upper crust of society. Gryffindor was inspired off of her and her friends. Ravenclaw was inspired on the bookworms and academic students. And Hufflepuff was inspired the lowborns in the school who didn't really belong to any of the social groups.

[tiny flower]

Yet James was more of a bully than Draco imo.

[flat zealot]

I literally said « Let’s play a game, I can do more than you with those restrictions »

[tiny flower]

Typical Ravenclaw behavior

[flat zealot]

Not for sure, but yes, James contributed a lot to who joined the death eaters.

[mint warren]

Yup, and that was good writing on her part. It showed that Harry wasn't the typical chosen one hero with messianic parents.

[tiny flower]

Rowling says shes Gryffindor but I gotta say she acts pretty Slytherin at times idk...

[mint warren]

Well Rowling is also self righteous and antagonistic towards those she doesn't like.

[tiny flower]

Like a Slytherin...

[mint warren]

So I'd say she can definitely embody the worst side of Gryffindor.

Slytherins are opportunistic and elitist at their worst. They believe themselves to be above others on an inherent level. Rowling thinks she's above others on a moral level, which is more of a Gryffindor quality.

[flat zealot]

Is that you saying you don’t know enough Slytherins for that? My point is that whether it is in the games or in the books, we know more bad slytherins than good ones. Ominis and Sebastian are ok-ish, but even just Ominis’s family, or Headmaster Black, are good examples on my side.

[tiny flower]

People mistake Slytherins for the bad ones. Gotta say though, I think Gryffindor takes the prize here. Gryffindors are like the High School Football bully team lol

[flat zealot]

Gryffindor are inpetuous and rash, I’ll give you that.

[tiny flower]

I mean Snape was a good dude, Ominis, Sebastian, Anne, Merlin, Slughorn, Sharp...

And we don't know who what most of the death eaters were. The higher ups were Slytherins because Slytherins are born leaders

[mint warren]

Each house has a darker side to their qualities. Gryffindor can be rash, self righteous, and morally aggressive. Slytherins can be manipulative, elitist, and power hungry. Ravenclaw can be apathetic, indolent, and argumentative for argument's sake. And Hufflepuff can be blindly loyal and self destructive for the sake of others.

[tiny flower]

OH and Albus

[flat zealot]

Anyways, I’ll make my list:
Good —> bad
Snape —> Amycus Carrow
Tracey Davies —> Marcus Flint.
Slughorn —> Irma Black
Sharp —> Ominis’s mother.
Merlin —> Salazar Slytherin
Ominis, his aunt —> Ominis’s parents
Anne, Sebastian —> Ominis’s brothers

Albus was a gryffindor, you know? Or you mean Albus Severus?

[tiny flower]

Potters kid

Draco also is arguably redeemed and raised a good kid who was Slytherin. Lucius redeems himself

[worthy trench]

It is from HPs POV largely remember. He gains bias against them from day one due to influence from Hagrid and his house, whom are the main rivals of Slytherin

[mint warren]

It is, that's why the books are largely not the best source for determining what makes each house tick.

[tiny flower]

It's like two schools that have a rivalry. If School A has a rivalry with School B and you're in School A, of course you won't like School B

[tiny flower]

Agreed. The world was expanded upon. The books were straight forward. Just like how Star wars is now. People thought all the storm troopers and imperials were just inherently bad. There was a lot more to it than that. Specifically how Luke is technically a mass murderer when he blew up the death star.

[worthy trench]

But alas the other houses push the prejudice issue with their own towards Slytherin and vice-versa and its just a cycle

[flat zealot]

Ok, Albus Severus ^^

I’ll continue, but I’m struggling to find new ones to add, so I’ll let you complete the good side:
Flora and Hestia Carrow, Alecto Carrow, Montague, Draco, Lucius, Crabbe and Goyle (junior and senior), Zabini (or at least his mother),…

[mint warren]

And keep in mind, most Ravenclaw in the books were either amoral, cowardly, aloof, or just plain weird.

[flat zealot]

So I agree that there is a bias there, but there also is a legitimate bias towards death eaters being Slytherins.

[tiny flower]

Draco and Lucius aren't necessarily bad. Oh and Narcissa was good

[flat zealot]

We only know of a few that are not Slytherin.

[tiny flower]

The Death Easters we know to be Slytherin are prominent in Voldemorts ranks because Slytherins get whats needed to be done, DONE!

[flat zealot]

No, Narcissa was opportunistic. Lucius and Draco chose to join Voldemort, and both are shown as not valuing a muggleborn’s life at all, which was the start of our argument…

[tiny flower]

If I were Voldemort, I wouldn't recruit a Hufflepuff to do my bidding, no Sir.

[flat zealot]

Fact is: we also know it about lower ranks. Scabior, Montague and Flint are not highly ranked

[tiny flower]

Ehhhh... Lucius, Draco and Narcissa valued their family more that Voldemort.

[flat zealot]

Me neither, they are known as being fair, nice and loyal.

[mint warren]

It also just makes sense that Voldemort would recruit from within Slytherin due to how mostly pure blood families had their kids put in there, and Voldemort's entire goal was to kill half-blooded wizards.

[tiny flower]

Which then we go back to loyalty when it comes to the Malfoys...

[flat zealot]

Yes, but they still valued following Voldemort more than the lives of the muggleborns they killed.

[tiny flower]

It's a never ending cycle. It's simply perspective

[flat zealot]

It’s not loyalty, it’s pride in your family ^^

[tiny flower]

I'd take it as loyalty as well.

[flat zealot]

And you canot say the same about, eg, Bellatrix.

Bellatrix would have killed her sister for her treason, because her goal is for Voldemort to rule, with her at his side.

[flat zealot]

Yup, was my starting point: this engenders a self perpetuating circle, which means that it wouldn’t be good being a muggleborn in Slytherin.

On top of this, the wizarding world is small, and we basically know all of the slytherins from Harry’s year.

[tiny flower]

Oh definitely. Just like how Pettigrew turned in his own friends

[flat zealot]

The least well known are Tracey Davies (half blood) and Daphne Greengrass (pure blood).

[tiny flower]

Bellatrix is a poor example of a Slytherin though. She's just an unhinged lunatic.

[flat zealot]

Yeah, never said Gryffindors were loyal per se. Hufflepuff on the other hand…

[tiny flower]

Even Voldemort gets annoyed at times and Snape cant stomach her

[tiny flower]

Hufflepuffs are loyal to everyone they meet

[flat zealot]

What about the Carrows forcing students to practice Crucio on the students in detention?

[flat zealot]

No. None of them were loyal to Harry.

They are loyal to their friends, which is why they act together to support Flinch Fletchley and Diggory

[mint warren]

Not quite, Hufflepuffs are loyal to those they deem as friends. They' value kindness and equality, this is true, but they are said to have a good sense for people, and those they deem to be a trusted friend means they are at their most loyal to them.

[flat zealot]

Slytherins literally betrayed one another constantly during their trials…

[tiny flower]

Cedric was pretty loyal. He kinda died for Harry

[flat zealot]

Yup, so agreed with you there.

[flat zealot]

AFTER getting to know harry (at least in the book), and he did not die for Harry in anyways. He « agreed » to split the cup, after getting saved by Harry. Then he got killed, but he was the target of the killing.

It’s kill the spare, not kill Potter

The fair thing he did before was give harry the password to the prefect’s bathroom after Harry told him about the dragons.

[mint warren]

Cedric was also meant to embody everything Harry wasn't. Remember, Harry in the books was distant, manipulative, and cynical to just about everyone. Yet he was consistently hailed as the chosen one. Then you had Cedric, who came from virtually nothing, but due to hard work and an upbeat attitude was the star student of the school. He was self sacrificing and caring, but I wouldn't say it came from an inherently loyalty to Harry. It was more due to him being a compassionate individual.

[tiny flower]

And then there's some who argue Harry wasn't a true Slytherin...

[flat zealot]

I don’t see who does ^^

Just like everyone, Harry has traits from most houses…

[tiny flower]

I have seen many debates about this before, im not singling you out

[mint warren]

Oh Harry was a natural Slytherin. The hat even states that he would've been far more successful in Slytherin than in Gryffindor. But Harry wanted to follow the path of his parents, whom he looked up to.

[tiny flower]

I liked when he learned that his father was actually a bully toward snape.

[mint warren]

Yup, but sadly Rowling's writing kinda trips over itself in this aspect. Harry is a very flawed hero, but the books inevitably paint him as being morally just for choosing Gryffindor over Slytherin, because to be part of Gryffindor is to be part of a morally right legacy. Slytherin was more painted as a temptation and a place to possess power whereas Gryffindor was a place to uphold good morals and a righteous cause.

[flat zealot]

Well… Gryffindor also has Chivalry in their values, just saying.

Gryffindor is for brazingly disregarding safety and consequences while acting, regardless of the outcome. Slytherins consider the outcome.

[mint warren]

Yes, and this is where Rowling didn't really put much thought into the houses as the fandom does. In Rowling's writing, Gryffindor is the good house while Slytherin is the evil house. Gryffindor believes in bravery and chivalry whereas Slytherin believes in ambition and cunning. Values that Rowling believes are inherently amoral.

[tiny flower]

Rowling just wanted "Good. Bad." and that was all

I dont think she ever even imagined it would blow up the way it did

[mint warren]

Well definitely not the first book.

The first book is written as a children's bedtime story. Harry Potter gets whisked away to a magical world and becomes the hero. His house he is chosen into is all about bravery and chivalry, and his main obstacle is the elitist Slytherin who are ambitious and manipulative.

I mean, the religious iconography is plain to see. Griffons embodying the J-man and snakes embodying the literal devil. Gryffindor's are within a historical wing of the school full of history and tradition while Slytherin is in the dungeon, hiding away and basked in darkness. There's really no other way to look at those two houses in the books other than they're just plain good and evil.

[tiny flower]

I wouldn't say that Gryffindor embodies Jesus and Slytherins the Devil lol

[mint warren]

Not at all, but their symbols do.

[tiny flower]

Oh like the Lion and Snake

Did Rowling say thats how she viewed it?

[mint warren]

Griffins are seen as noble and inherently royal, the eagle rules the sky and the lion rules the land. Snakes are seen as evil, crawling along the ground and full of venom. There are of course nuances to both of these symbols, but the general idea behind them in the books definitely leans more towards the Abrahamic side of things. Gryffindor is inherently noble and Slytherin is inherently opportunistic.

Like I said, nuances in the houses wasn't exactly established until the fandom made baby's first Meyers-Briggs out of them.

[tiny flower]

But theres so many Gryffindors that just aren't noble. One could say Peter Pettigrew if the "fallen angel" if that be the case

Also, a snake can symbolize "beginning anew"

[mint warren]

Good eye there. Peter Pettigrew is the "failed Gryffindor." Where Gryffindors are supposed to be brave and chivalrous, Pettigrew is cowardly and pathetic. In fact, him being a rat could be seen as even worse. Rats sneak around lions and are devoured by snakes.

[tiny flower]

shedding its skin and starting off fresh, i've seen that comparison many times. It's all just pretty subjective and how you view it

[tiny flower]

You're really breaking this down lol

[mint warren]

My PhD is in anthropology. If I don't take an unnecessary amount of time dissecting symbols and writing then I just wasted $100k for nothing. lol

[tiny flower]

I believe Rowling just wanted to make Gryffindor the good guys and Slytherin the bad. As time went on and the books became more popular, the ideaologies for each house changed. Similar to "Mandalorians" and "Storm troopers" and such. They added layers to the houses that originally weren't intended.

Because Rowling herself even evolved Gryffindor students into bullies. Her main character had more Slytherin traits in the end than Gryffindor.

[mint warren]

Exactly. The moral nuances are a consequence of time, and above all else, coincidental to what Rowling's initial writings were. Snakes represent many things, renewal, protection, fertility, and divinity through the earth. But for the most part, snakes are just cool to pair with bad guys.

[tiny flower]

I totally believe each house goes through its "prime"

Slytherin was in it's prime, as far as we're aware, during Hogwarts Legacy.

late 1900s, it went downhill

During the time of Harry and Draco's kids, it became "good" again

[mint warren]

Oh yeah, Slytherin definitely became less and less favored after Voldemort rose in power.

[tiny flower]

When Snape was a child, Gryffindor were the bad ones. When Harry comes, they're the good ones.

Gryffindor is more of a "masked" evil in a way. If a Gryffindor is gonna be bad, they'll be snaky about it. Whereas, strangely, the Slytherins are more open about it

Proven with how Snape refers to Gryffindor students based on when he was a child. Even saying that they "break" or "bend the rules"

Then others say breaking the rules is a trait of Slytherin. Each house goes through its prime. Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff as well. They were... Um... Their prime was in... So like... Ok moving on

[mint warren]

Yeah, to focus more on those two houses, they were mostly there to fill in space in the books.

[tiny flower]

The only thing I shall not stand for is Slytherin to be called "edgy"

Doesn't the sorting hat say that in Slytherin you "meet your true friends?"

[mint warren]

that's because Slytherins are inherently empathetic and more aware of when they're being deceived. So if you were to befriend a Slytherin, it's because they know you're being straight with them.