lore

[shy swallow]

Bro spammed expelliarmus 💀 (jk)

[torn urchin]

i mean you are right

[fair sequoia]

If it works it works

[worthy trench]

HP is not a raw magical powerhouse like AD, GG and TR for sure but he's above average for sure imo.

[modern moth]

https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/azkaban

From the archives

This further alludes that Azkaban was a WILD place.

[umbral mortar]

It's very interesting

[flat oracle]

pretty sure ron mentioned in one of the books it was somewhere in the north sea or something

[frank jewel]

Idk about Ron, but I know for sure that Fudge says it is in the north sea

‘… I’ve just come from Azkaban,’ Fudge had panted, tipping a large amount of water out of the rim of his bowler hat into his pocket. ‘Middle of the North Sea, you know, nasty flight'

[flat oracle]

ah right yeah forgot who it was

[modern moth]

Ministry of Magic cringe

[modern moth]

Yeah it’s disgusting how many ministers didn’t see a problem with Azkaban for so many years

Kingsley a real one for removing the dementors

I remember when hagrid describes Azkaban I think in the 3rd book. Truly a heinous place

[umbral mortar]

4th minister Eldritch Diggory wanted to remove them, but died from dragon pox before he could do that. Others kept dementors because it was inexpensive and easier

[umbral mortar]

I felt so bad for hagrid. He didn't deserve Azkaban at all.

[modern moth]

Yeah I honestly cried when I read that part, he basically said that being there just makes you want to commit suicide

[umbral mortar]

Knowing the sad things Hagrid has experienced before, yeah it must have been hell reliving bad memories like his father's death and expulsion from school

[olive swan]

He shouldn't have messed with our Tom Riddle. Best Slytherin boy.

[umbral mortar]

[olive swan]

The truth is the truth is the truth.

[umbral mortar]

[modern moth]

If the truth is the truth then say snape is best slytherin boy

Cause that’s the truth

[stuck epoch]

It is

Snape is best boy in general

[rare knot]

Snape was pretty awful tbf

[kind hedge]

I can't believe Harry named his child after him
I mean, ok, he kind of helped him, but he was the teacher who bullied him for 6 years

[modern moth]

That’s honestly bad writing on JK’s part I can’t fathom why snape would bully children to such an extent, there was seriously no need to write him like that

I also CANNOT STAND the fact that he’s so vile to Harry when THATS LILYS SON YOU MORON. The dude literally is staring into lily’s eyes whenever he emotionally and verbally abused Harry

Bad writing seriously

The man is so horrid to Harry even dumbledore thought he was in it just for the heck of it instead of this so called love for Lily

If he loved Lily so much he should’ve treated Harry with respect and kindness. Forget even loving Lily snape is a professor in his 30s, treating kids like that is so wrong on so many levels. Sorry I’m ranting at this point sorry

[kind hedge]

but if you look at it from the perspective that he lost his 'true love/only friend' and only her son survived even Snape would have sacrificed everything for her, then the object of his hatred could be Harry bc 'he looks and acts like his father'
(I agree with you I'm just trying to find a way to defend him and argue with somebody)

[modern moth]

It was just such an atrocity to write him like that, everything else is really good except holding a grudge against a dead man and bullying his orphan son (who also happens to be the son of your true love) and other children. What makes it even worse is snape knows darn well that Harry never met his father and grew up abused, if anything Severus should’ve expected him to be more like Lily than his father when he arrived at hogwarts. It’s just so messed up and makes NO SENSE

It simply doesn’t make sense y’all SMH

SMH

[random moon]

If I had to guess, it was to make sure that Harry and other students thought he hated Harry.

If he treated him kindly all it would take is any of the Death Eaters kids to go back to their parents and tell them he treated Harry kindly and suddenly Snape wouldn’t make for a good spy for Dumbledore.

Because the death eaters and Voldemort would know he was friendly to The one person who was prophesied to beat him

Sure Snape was skilled in Occlumency so he could hide it, but I doubt the other death eaters were. So Voldy would know right away

[modern moth]

Yeah you could argue that, that’s actually a good take on it. Especially since Voldemort knew Severus loved his mother

He pleaded with voldy to save her

[random moon]

So he crafted a persona for his time as a teacher. So that students both last and present would express to other students that Snape was a bit mean to those that weren’t in Slytherin.

If everyone believes he’s biased like that, then no one questions his loyalties and he can continue being a spy for Dumbledore

[modern moth]

But why would Severus still keep that energy when he’s alone with dumbledore?

[random moon]

He questioned Dumbledore’s plan to essentially use Harry as a sacrificial lamb. He objected to it in fact.

He cares because Harry is all that remains of Lily. He wanted to protect it, even at the cost of his own life.

But first the only way to protect it, was to keep it at arms length. Keep up the persona of a cruel potions master. It was safer for Harry to think he hated him.

[modern moth]

He expressed his hatred for Harry so much, even in private, that dumbledore legit didn’t think Severus was in this to “protect lily potters son” anymore. Dumbledore always knew the truth about Severus but even a man like dumbledore seeing this hatred for Harry for so many years would make him second guess this “love”

[kind hedge]

He is seriously shocked when Dumbledore admits that Harry must die

I think maybe Severus protected Harry more than Dumbledore. I hate Dumbledore he could have done so much more

[modern moth]

THIS

Dumbledore… I’m not gonna get into it.

It’s too much

[kind hedge]

Haha I understand

[modern moth]

I’ve never had the chance to have a conversation about it so I kinda do now 😂 but it’s seriously is soooo much. I could slap dumbledore

I’ll say one thing then

Why not simply tell Harry “hey btw I may not be around long, but I know of three relics that will keep you alive cause Voldemort will have to kill you to be defeated. Find the deathly hallows and then hunt for his horcruxes and you’ll be ok.”

EZ.

All the cryptic nonsense from dumbledore is so BS

[kind hedge]

yes, he made everything much harder. they would have had plenty of opportunities to talk since he knew he had to die

[random moon]

I think in part because he intended to find and destroy them himself (which I think was partly his own arrogance) but then he foolishly put on the Gaunt ring, despite the fact it was cursed and doomed himself.

I don’t think he ever originally planned for Harry to be involved in destroying the Horcruxes as he wanted it to stay secret (less chance of Voldy finding out)

But then he made an Oopsie but had to be cryptic and secretive about getting stuff to Harry so that other parties wouldn’t find out

[kind hedge]

He touched a cursed ring and he knew he's going to die bc Severus or Malfoy needed to kill him. He had every opportunity to talk with Harry about horcruxes and Voldy

[random moon]

He wouldn’t have needed to die and they would have found a way to avoid Draco needing to kill him if he hadn’t put on the ring. He could have done literally anything, saved Draco and not had to die but as he was already dying from the curse, it was more convenient to set up Snape to be the (believed) master of the EW and also do something to keep him in Voldy’s hood books.

It was a mercy killing that conveniently served their goals and plans.

[kind hedge]

but why was he dying? because he put his own interests before Harry's and the wizarding world's and took the ring. He shouldn't have, and he knew that well.

and by the way, they left the most important person in the world almost unprotected for 4 years, who was traumatized every year and almost died because they couldn't take care of the children at Hogwarts (btw I love this at Hogwarts it's just too funny)

[modern moth]

I agree, dumbledore knew very well! I refuse to believe he was that pressed to see Ariana that he would put the world at risk like that, and even then, simply tell Harry your dying and EXACTLY what he needs to do to defeat voldy

It’s the gaunt ring, not the one ring. He very well didn’t have to put it on

The ring wasn’t calling to him lmao

[kind hedge]

He was selfish, but that's what I love about HP
The characters are real, with real weaknesses and personalities. Even the most hated characters can be protected
I will read the books again for the experience

[modern moth]

I love that too, at the end of the day I sigh and simply say “they’re human”

[random moon]

Yeah, Dumbledore was brilliant and wise and powerful

But he wasn’t infallible.

He’d originally planned to find the Hallows for power with Grindlewald.

Then he sought them to prevent Voldy from getting them

He probably didn’t care for any of them himself except for the resurrection stone, a potential means to see his sister again, a sister who he felt he was partly guilty for the death of.

He had the Resurrection stone in the ring and just didn’t think ahead about any potential protections put on it. He just saw a chance to see her again.

Remember she was one of the things he saw in the Mirror of Erised. Even decades after her death.

He’s human and has flaws. Even the brilliant can make foolish mistakes when fuelled by emotion over logic

[kind hedge]

I really like his relationship with Grindelwald. He was actually brilliant and strong and I don't know why he was a Gryffindor (no offense, I just always think of him as a Ravenclaw)
I know myself and I wouldn't stop or argue with Grindelwald, I'd say 'Okay, let's do it together', so I envy Dumbledore for what he did. And I believe he tried to protect Harry he's just not the best mentor or 'father figure' (fifth book)

[olive swan]

Fanfiction spoiled me. There is so much fanon in my head, it's not even funny any more.

[violet hearth]

His whole relationship with Grindewald is such a mess. Rita Skeeter for sure would tell anyone if they banged each other or lie about it in "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore". She did get involved in the romantic life of Hermione Granger for lord sake.

When she was fourteen by the way.

[kind hedge]

Rita Skeeter is indeed not a reliable source but I meant the Fantastic Beast and Where to Find Them 1-2

[violet hearth]

And I would love it J. K. Rowling instead of realeasing the Fantastic Beasts franchise realease the whole unabridged Rita Skeeter's book. Then WB could have made a mockumentary about it. It'd be so much better.

But I'm not a fan of the new movies. I liked the first one, but the second was such a mess and I still have not watched the third one.

What I meant is that the whole sexual orientation reveal of Dumbledore by J. K. Rowling in an interview instead of the original series was an option... to say the least.

[random moon]

So long as it has all the misspellings included too lol

[kind hedge]

I would definitely read it. There is much more to the wizarding world. I feel like I need more and more information so I read the books again and again but it's never the same and even I enjoy it every time I just need more

[violet hearth]

Yeah, I don't know why she decided to write the screenplay for the movies when she could have just written a new book about Dumbledore and Grindelwald. Whataver she wrote about the Wizarding World would eventually get an adaptation.

[rare knot]

Tbf considering its through the lens of a school boy, I don't really the relevance of Dumbledore chatting to Harry about his love life. Especially when he probably grew to be ashamed of it later in life.

Ashamed of his love of Grindewald*, not that he was gay

[violet hearth]

I think that this is an execuse. Like I said, Rita Skeeter would definetely tell the world if Dumbledore was gay.

We don't even know if there is homophobia in the Wizarding World or how they percive sexuality.

[violet hearth]

Or lie about it, by the way.

[rare knot]

Probably similar to the muggle world. I can imagine pureblood families who care about their "dynasty" would be critical, whereas the Weasleys (for example) probably wouldn't care.

[rare knot]

I mean sure it could be an excuse. It doesn't really bother me though. The lack of it in Fantastic Beasts was disappointing since its much more relevant there.

[violet hearth]

I do think that everything is ralated in this matter.

The passages of "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" that were readen by Harry on the seventh book would be opportunity enough to discuss the real relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I'm not saying that J. K. Rowling didn't consider Dumbledore gay all along, but I do think that it was a deliberate choice to not speak about his sexual orientation on the original books. Even their romance is not fully explored in the Fantastic Beast franchise, maybe because the movies would be boycotted by some countries in which the State is homophobic, like China, which is a big source of money.

[rare knot]

Probably. I mean they could have just censored those scenes like they do with most other big film releases there.

Although maybe Bathilda Bagshot was completely unaware of Albus's romantic feelings towards Gellert and therefore couldn't have told Rita

[violet hearth]

Yes, they could. But if the exploration of Dumbledore's love life became an intrigal part of the plot and they really focus on it, I could see it being boycotted.

[rare knot]

Boycotted? You mean censored in countries like China or?

[violet hearth]

Yes, like not being exibited in those countries.

[rare knot]

I just think the government would censor particular scenes and I doubt there would be a large scale boycott in China

Contrary to popular belief, it's not a massive issue over there and a growing number of people are becoming more tolerant of it. But the government will just censor what they want to.

[violet hearth]

I don't think so if it's central to the plot. For example, I couldn't image a non-gay version of Maurice.

[rare knot]

Maurice?

[violet hearth]

It's a gay romance by E. M. Foster, published only posthumously, in 1971

[rare knot]

Ah okay.

But yeah - it doesn't really bother me that there was no explicit reveal of Dumbledore's sexuality in the original series, since it wasn't really relevant.

[violet hearth]

In my opinion, J. K. Rowling wanted to feel inclusive for revealing that an important character was gay while benefiting from not offending conservative readers and watchers.

[rare knot]

I don't really think she probably gave it that much thought.

But I guess we won't know

And I would actually say JK Rowling wouldn't have cared at all about the potential of offending conservative readers. Especially by the time of the 7th book. As recent events have shown - she speaks her mind regardless of what others think.

[kind hedge]

I agree, but at the same time I love that she wrote that line. I didn't need gay stuff in HP because that's not what it's about, but I feel like I respect and love Dumbledore more because of his past with Grindelwald.

[violet hearth]

Maybe she doesn't give those subjects the same weight, which turn everything worse somehow, at least for me.

I grew up reading Harry Potter. It was one of the first long books that I have read. A part of me will always be nostalgic and in love with the franchise. However, for me, it's impossible to not analyse her previous works and choises taking in consideration her recent actions.

[rare knot]

For all her prejudice and unfortunate comments against the trans community, I think she's been quite vocal in support of Gay Rights and the gay community. I don't think I agree with her not giving them the same weight.

[violet hearth]

Well, she is friend with TERFs that have connection to instutions who are agains the whole LGBT+ community as a whole. You can know more about that here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k if you want. It's really a complicate issue. I wholeheartely belive that true allies are allies agains all form of opression.

[rare knot]

Never said anything about her being a true ally. Simply that she supports gay rights and opposes trans rights (which I don't agree with). But unfortunately it isn't an uncommon stance among a lot of people.

Anyway I feel this is probably getting a little off topic

[violet hearth]

Yes, it might had. All that I'm saying is that, in my opinion, she wasn't fully committed to portray a gay character in all his nuances and putting light to all his identity.

[rare knot]

I mean. The realistic way Harry could have found out about Dumbledore's sexuality is a) if he told him (very unlikely) or b) if Bathilda was aware that Albus harboured romantic feelings for Gellert and therefore could have passed that onto Rita (also unlikely).

Tbh I just think she made the decision that it wasn't relevant to the story or realistic for Harry to have found out. And I agree.

[violet hearth]

It's just like you said, she doesn't have a problem to voice her opinions. She doesn't have a problem to include her view of trans indentity in a novel that she wrote (with a pen name that is the same as the guy who invented conversion therapy), she could be brave as well to at least have a scene where the feelings that Dumbledore and Grindewald have for each other is not only subtext.

[violet hearth]

Are you seriously saying that Rita Skeeter wouldn't talk about Dumbledore romantic life?

[rare knot]

How would Rita have found out?

[violet hearth]

So, was Dumbledore a closeted gay?

[rare knot]

I think he kept his feelings for Grindewald to himself and certainly wouldn't have confided in Gellert's great Aunt.

[violet hearth]

I do think that Rita Skeeter would move mountains and hell to uncover everything that she could (as well as exploting evey inch of rumor that she could). I also think that it's possible that the great-unt of Grindewald to be suspicious about the real relationship between her grand-nephew and Dumbledore, especially if any of them were openly gay, but even if they were not, I do think that under the influence of Veritaserum she'd have spilled all the facts and also her suposition about their relationship.

[rare knot]

Operating on the assumption she susprcted Albus had romantic feelings for Gellert which is unlikely, since a close friendship between two extremely intelligent guys is more likely. Especially with my belief that Dumbledore wasn't very open about his feelings or emotions.

I simply stand by my argument that there isn't really a realistic way for Harry to have found out.

[violet hearth]

There was a scene in The Crimes of Grindewald in which Dumbledore told openly someone, I'm not sure who, that "We [Dumbledore and Grindewald] was more than brothers", a really subtly and odd way to tell he had romantic feelings for the dark wizard.

[upbeat trail]

That’s what I was about to type, hahah

[violet hearth]

I'm quite sure that Rita Skeeter would make a hell of story about Dumbledore romantic life. Like I said, she fabricated a romantic triangle between Harry, Hermione and Krum.

[tardy narwhal]

||Also the "you loved me" scene ||

[violet hearth]

Is this one from the new movie?

[tardy narwhal]

Yeah

Omg sorry did you not watch it

I lied there is no such scene

It doesn't exist

[violet hearth]

Oh, don't worry.

[tardy narwhal]

I am making stuff up 100%

[violet hearth]

I'm quite fine with spoilers

[tardy narwhal]

Must have gotten it mixed up with another movie

[rare knot]

Who did he tell? That would be important. And sure - I mean the whole point is Dumbledore is coming to terms with the fact he loved arguably the most dangerous dark wizard of all time. The issue of it being shown in FB is a different thing.

I wish it had been better covered in those films for sure

[kind hedge]

Rita sold everything she could sell, even her own honor. She was obsessed with gossip. I wouldn't be surprised if she sold her spine for some juicy gossip about Dumbledore

[umbral mortar]

Torquil Travers. Head of the magical law enforcement i think. And a bunch of aurors

[violet hearth]

And they disliked each other, right? Torquill and Dumbledore.

[umbral mortar]

Yes

[violet hearth]

So yeah, Rita would discovered.

[umbral mortar]

Maybe Bathilda didn't tell. Was she under veritaserum. Maybe she managed to resist that info. Possible

[violet hearth]

It's alluded that she was enchanted somehow to spill all the information that she knew.

"Dear Batty, Thanks for your help. Here's a copy of the book; hope you like it. You said everything, even if you don't remember it. Rita."

[umbral mortar]

Ah i see

[rare knot]

I just don't think Bathilda knew. That Dumbledore told some random auror he didn't even like seems way out of character for someone who is known for being secretive. But that wouldn't be the only issue with Fantastic Beasts tbf.

[kind hedge]

Why don't you like the Fantastic Beasts movies?

[umbral mortar]

I don't like that they introduce a bunch of plot holes

[violet hearth]

I also think that the story is very convoluted.

For me, it's really weird how important Newt was for the Second Wizarding War.

[rare knot]

The biggest issue is that when they started the new series, they clearly had no idea of what they wanted to do and since then, they have been making it up as they go along.

[umbral mortar]

I can see Theseus being important to the war, as he's a proper auror

[violet hearth]

Oh, for sure. But his brother should be studying magic creatures.

[umbral mortar]

Makes me think of the star wars sequel trilogy

[violet hearth]

I think that the way the first movie connected both plot was okay. But the second movie was really all over the place.

[umbral mortar]

I don't know how much of the war Newt would fight. He eventually has a child in canon, so idk where that would fit in timeline

[kind hedge]

I admit that it's not as good as the HP movies, let's add that it's not even based on a book. I like that they always come up with something new that fits the world and I enjoy looking at the different creatures. I don't have high expectations, but I admit that Newt's huge role is really strange.

[violet hearth]

I my opinion it was a way to focus on the whole Grindelwald and Dumbledore relationship without focus on it.

[umbral mortar]

Ngl i actually kinda enjoyed FB2. It's not the best, but ok

[violet hearth]

It still didn't make sense that Grindewald and Dumbledore would make a blood pact instead of Unbreakable Vow.

[violet hearth]

There were too much subplots at the same time. The movie was hella confusing and some character choices were pretty questionable.

[umbral mortar]

Why?

[inland dew]

I may sound dumb but what is a lore?

[kind hedge]

I think they put fate in each other. They would never have thought that they would break because they both believed in the other with love and friendship

[violet hearth]

Yes, but if they were so in love and was sure that they'd never fight each other, commiting it to their life wasn't the best option?

[rare knot]

Exactly

[violet hearth]

The lore is all the knowledge of a particular group or having to do with a particular subject.

[inland dew]

Probably way too in love that they will stay forever together and die together I guess

[umbral mortar]

I think the blood pact kinda has a connection to the theme of love and stuff

[inland dew]

Ok thanks

[kind hedge]

You have to admit that it's much more elegant this way. There is no break charm for the unbreakable vow, so they left a loophole.

[violet hearth]

Yes, traditionally there is an association between love and blood. For me it is another way to use subtext to portray a gay relationship.

[inland dew]

I wonder if Gingerwald died at the same time Dumbledore died…

Because of the blood pact

[violet hearth]

Wasn't the pact broken in the new movie?

[inland dew]

I don’t remember

[violet hearth]

(I still haven't seen it, but I read the synopsis of the story in the Harry Potter wiki)

[inland dew]

But how could they break the unbreakable pact

[kind hedge]

Dumbledore and Grindelwald were never together. I don't see how else they could have portrayed their intimacy when Dumbledore betrayed Grindelwald. In the movie, Dumbledore literally said he was in love with him

[umbral mortar]

Grindelwald died in 1998, Dumbledore in 1997

[inland dew]

But in all different websites says that Gingerwald and Dumbledore were lovers

[inland dew]

Ohh

[kind hedge]

Platonic lovers maybe

[violet hearth]

My whole original point is that if J. K. Rowling wanted she could easily have told about Grindelwald and Dumbledore using the passages of "The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore", instead of revealing that he was gay through an interview. I also do think that she made that as a way to look progresssive without having to depict a gay romance in the original story.

[umbral mortar]

I think they were together, but only for one summer

[violet hearth]

About how to portray, they could easily use a flashback

[kind hedge]

Why what did you want? Would you have watched the movie if they had kissed?

[umbral mortar]

I understand yes. But i think it just wasn't that particularly important to the plot for it to be revealed

[violet hearth]

The blood pact scene depicted in the Mirror of Erised could be more intimate.

[inland dew]

👀

Maybe just to confirm their love

[violet hearth]

Well, there were a bunch of other thinks that were not particularly important to the the plot and was still revealed.

[violet hearth]

One of my favorite movies is Maurice, so... yeah... I would.

I did watch the movie, just not the third one, yet.

[kind hedge]

True, but she wasn't interested in Dumbledore and his story. She made up and wrote a story about Harry that included Dumbledore. Unfortunately, you can't write a separate book about each supporting character. I don't think it was her idea to make another movie set in a magical world.

[umbral mortar]

Maybe, but can't reveal too much not needed info

[kind hedge]

I guess the time has come :DD

[violet hearth]

Do you think she was pressured to do the movie?

[kind hedge]

Maybe. They could put pressure on her because they saw money in the wizarding world

[umbral mortar]

Idk i doubt that

[violet hearth]

This is true, but I also don't think that it would hurt the pace of the plot very much to just explicitly say that Dumbledore was gay.

I also don't think that they could have pressured her.

I just think that she decided to wrote the screenplays withou planning it to well.

[robust hornet]

I feel like the blood pact and profession of love wasn't exactly subtle

Like they could have explicitly said it (which they basically did as well), but thats usually a sign of bad writing... and those movies don't need more of that

[violet hearth]

All that I'm saying is that revealing the sexual orientation of a character after the main series has wrapped up, trough an interview is definetly... a choice. A questionable one, I might add. I also think that it was a way to scape from all the controversy while being able to generate some buzz about her work. I don't want to talk about the Fantastic Beast franchise because I still haven't watch the last movie, because I really didn't like the second one. In my opinion she wanted to tell about Dumbledore and Grindelwald relationship without focusing on them. I don't think that the blood pact was subtle, but I think that it was an easy way to depict a romantic gay relationship to the audience in a very mild non-ofensive way, almost platonically. They could have shown them kissing in the Mirror of Erised while the pact was being formed. Heterosexual kisses were shown in the franchise before. For a couple that according to the creator had "incredibly intense" sexual relationship, they do seem very assexual to me.

[robust hornet]

But you can't really say you don't want to talk about the fantastic beast franchise then write a paragraph about an accusation on how the franchise was framed in a homophobic way

I mean you're welcome to but it doesn't make much sense

The interview reveal was very weak and I would agree she had no intention of Dumbledore being gay until after the books came out

[violet hearth]

I never said it was framed as homophobic, but I also don't think that they made any effort to represent a gay character. There are kid tv shows that did a better job. Like I said, the movies didn't shy away from representing heterosexual relationship. Shouldn't gay relationship be portrayed the same way? I don't think that is homophobic because it is not portraying gay characters in a bad light. However, I do think it comes close to pratically erasing their sexualiaty.

[vivid owl]

Okay we're getting a bit away from lore here.

Whilst I do get your points, I'm not sure this is the place to be discussing them.

[viral badger]

This definitely not the server to discuss this sort of thing

And as said before lets try and remain on topic please

[violet hearth]

I mean... it's about the sexual orientation of a character of the franchise. I do think that the way a canonically gay character is portrayed in the canon relates to the lore. I don't think that there would be a problem if I was talking about any other character romantic life. However, I do understand that it is a sensitive topic.

[vivid owl]

If the conversation was about the in-universe ramifications of their relationship then yes it'd be okay to talk about but that's not what's gone on here. You guys have talked about its impact in real life.

[viral badger]

It's a tricky subject. It can get heated and I understand it's lore within the stories but just as precautionary tale. We try and not let subject of this manner to get discuss to situation in rl

Fuzzpot beat me to it but yeah

[vivid owl]

Sorry Lillith, didn't mean to steal the wind from your sails there.

[viral badger]

No worries

We had the same train of thought that's all that counts

[vivid owl]

👍 Just sort of use to having to chivvy people to stay on topic due to being mod in smaller servers.

Right, I sleep now though.

[viral badger]

Have a wonderful night and rest well💙

[olive swan]

The movies are bad anyways.

Like where are the fantastic beasts in either of the sequels?

[limpid cliff]

The Qilin... Probably the main focus of the 3rd film
& You'll have to forgive the crimes of Grindelwald being the focus of the 2nd @olive swan

[torn urchin]

my biggest problems with the movies

[olive swan]

Maybe Grindelwald is a fantastic beast somewhere else.

[shy gyro]

Grindelwald is a town in Switzerland

[worthy trench]

Nice view

[rare knot]

I'm somewhat surprised they haven't confirmed where Grindewald was born

Probably Austria-Hungary

Leaning towards the Austrian side of the Empire

[low zodiac]

What? 😯

[vivid owl]

Would the Austro-Hungarian Empire exist in the magical world or would it still be part of a magical HRE, if such a thing existed.

I know Rowling says "Ministry" but that's cos she's as unimaginative as a lump of concrete.

[stuck epoch]

No it wouldnt

Its not the Brittish empire in the magical world as well why would it be different in hungary

/the empire back then

[vivid owl]

the British Ministry was made in the same year as the Union of the Crowns act, which created Great Britain as a nation.

[stable ibex]

[vivid owl]

👀

[delicate walrus]

hmm. checking.

[vivid owl]

But even then, say we take the geo-political map of 1692, when there was still a HRE, why would the magicals moving into hiding suddenly drop all connection to the culture they've been living in and form entirely different national borders matching modern day countries, and create ministries?

Most likely they'd stick to regional powers, so a magical nation of Bavaria or Saxony, or Austria, or Prussia, and so on and so on cos the HRE had like 50 states in it.

and then a higher elective imperial power above that, because that's what they've known and lived in

But even then, who's to say that it'd even still look like that 200 years later in 1890. Wars and political machinations would have happened, who knows, we could be looking at a magical Bavaria ruling the Germanic speaking magicals instead via some for of magical nobility.

[delicate walrus]

not a fact. it is misnomer. however using your analysis of "british ministry" meaning prime minister?

[vivid owl]

The British Ministry was established in 1707 according to all the info I can find, that is also the same year as the Union of the Crowns Act.

[delicate walrus]

there is no union of crowns act.

that is a misnomer

[vivid owl]

Acts of the Union 1707 then

I got the name wrong

[delicate walrus]

okay.

i go back checking.

[vivid owl]

which are technically two acts, The Union with Scotland Act 1706 and the Union with England Act 1707, but in essence they put into effect the Treaty of the Union which from 1706 which brought the nation of Great Britain into being

the Union of Crowns was an earlier thing with King James the I & VI in 1603

not an act per se but it was when the Scottish monarchy also became the English monarchy and brought the crowns together under one rule

whilst keeping them as separate entities

[delicate walrus]

you used acronym i am not familar HRE

[vivid owl]

Holy Roman Empire

[delicate walrus]

oh.

[vivid owl]

it's what the Germans used to call themselves as they believe they were the true inheritors of the Roman empire instead of the Byzantines

though I'd say historically the Byzantines had better claim

[delicate walrus]

there is a reference that ministry was established in different country before introduced in UK. perhaps different structure.

[vivid owl]

Perhaps, but it boggles my mind and defies logic that everyone apart from the US and Argentina would have Ministries

[delicate walrus]

Holy Roman empire (holy) is reference started by modern historian to refer to Constantinople empire. but i am always confused because sometime archaeologist and historian mis use the HRE in their Rome based Roman Empire

[vivid owl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

[umbral mortar]

But we don't know about all countrues right?

[delicate walrus]

not matter they mis use the word... in their fashion. yes i understand you are referring to Germanic regions.

but the word was modern. not ancient.

[vivid owl]

indeed we don't but we've got like 50 ministries and it just confuses me why for some of them

[delicate walrus]

it is based on franks and Carolingian demarcations. which at the point became different after three kings are dead.

[umbral mortar]

On the wiki there are only 21 countrues with known ministries

Not 50

[delicate walrus]

oh.

[vivid owl]

See some of them fine sure, but some of them confuse the heck out of me

[umbral mortar]

Understandable, but still there arent 50

[vivid owl]

Japan and China should probably be some form of Imperial system.

[umbral mortar]

Yeah i can see that

[vivid owl]

Mongolia is super damned interesting because I'd imagine it should in essence be a bunch of different mostly independent tribes who have a collective group for dealing with other governments but not for ruling really.

[umbral mortar]

Intriguing

[delicate walrus]

referring to your original reference to International Statute of Secrecy in 1689 then 1692, one will have to go back to historical map of europe to do such analysis and make possible guesses to the ministry of magic in those areas.

[vivid owl]

India probably wouldn't be one unified nation, Bangladesh may not exist, same with Pakistan. But I'll admit I don't know the history of those regions as well so I wouldn't know the precursor states that were there.

[umbral mortar]

I wonder about other countries not mentioned

[vivid owl]

This is what I've done, mostly in the case of France and Germany because I know more about those areas than elsewhere.

I'll admit my Eurocentrism with my knowledge of history and the fact that that can cause issues.

[delicate walrus]

i would imagine in europe the "division" or border change in muggle european demarcations is going to be radically different with magical demarcations.

european magical demarcations might be based off the language speakers not governmental controls

[vivid owl]

See that's my thought as well, somewhat, I assume that the larger muggle wars influenced magical borders somewhat as well due to the movement of people that results from such events.

[delicate walrus]

could be. especially during the world war and world war II; a lot of emigration crossing the borders.

making me think of grindelwald during the um fanstical beast movie. i m trying to remember.

the scare of the world war II indicates massive destabilization. probably affected by scare of the magical demarcation and ministry collapse.

[vivid owl]

maybe

[delicate walrus]

trying to recall my history with war(s). in that same movie wizard did not appreciate muggle's world war (the first one). Did Grindelwald state massive destabilization during his "future prediction" display?

[vivid owl]

At the end of the day, it's all just a pet peeve of mine about the Wizarding World due to the fact that I love history and different cultures, and those are intertwined and so influence one another.

[delicate walrus]

I need to buy that video. dont have a copy myself.

dont forget, world war II is bigger than world war... because did have massive um political shift in japan when occupying pacific countries.

so might replicate effect into WW

[vivid owl]

I just feel that painting the magical nations of the world with this broad brush of modern borders and giving almost all of them that we know of Ministries does such a disservice to the different cultures and histories of those nations.

so that's why I go look at history and try to figure out how a magical version of historical societies could work after 300 years of separation

[delicate walrus]

i felt that confusion trying to understand the tribal changes in Europe during Neolithic age

in germanic nations, the areas are not divided by language (franks), but divided by cross-cultural assimilation. perhaps the "german" magical entity is not necessarily ministry, but an Order, similar to teutonic knight system?

keeping in mind there is governing body already in place before the Statute of Secrecy is in place. I wonder if WW has list of governing bodies and their control. might be independents on those pacific isolated islands

[flat oracle]

I wonder.. why do wizards and witches need to keep magic hidden from muggles anyway?? The ammount of stuff that the muggle world could achieve if they had more access to magic. I cant see anyone saying "Oh dayum you can write an entire essay without physically lifting a pen or using voice to text?? thats horrible!! why would you do that???!!"

[vivid owl]

The persecution thing.

Which sort of mostly was a European and US (before it was the US) thing

it was quite a bit worse on the continent than it was in Britain.

There was also some persecution in the Middle East as well

[flat oracle]

Persecution for what, though?? Using magic to make your life/the lives of your friends easier, in a post witch trials world, isnt going to offend anyone. -_-

[vivid owl]

in a modern world yes, I guess, but in the world of the past when the Statute was made, that's why they made the decision

Though the more interesting question is actually, would the countries where the magicals had good relations with the non-magicals follow the Statute?

[flat oracle]

Like... no wizard or witch has been persecuted, in the books, for harassing muggles for having no inate magical talent. Lucius almost even used an unforgiveable curse on harry WITHIN HOGWARTS without triggering any of the wards or fail safes put in place to protect students

[vivid owl]

Because say you lived in a country where magic is considered a good thing, some African nations, and South East Asian nations, or where magic is considered a neutral force and it's the person who is judged, then do you follow the Statute when it is put into place in 1692, or do you continue using magic openly?

As for the modern stuff, yeah well it's not clear per-se, beyond by that point it just being tradition

[flat oracle]

Literally no country on earth, aside from the conservative abrahamic ones, views magic as something to be shunned or persecuted. Hell even in mexico, central and south america, brujo and bruja are still treated with respect and reverance since they toe the line between the mundane and the magical.

[delicate walrus]

I suspect ICW is tradition bound, not flexible on changing or repealing subsections of statue(s)

[vivid owl]

also again, Eurocentrism comes into play as it seems the European magical powers created the ICW and sort of forced the Statute on everyone when they got fed up of the persecution

[flat oracle]

And depending on your definition of magic, the argument could be made that miracles supposedly performed by saints, were in fact magic. So... im confused by this whole "keep magic hidden" thing.

[vivid owl]

what gets me is the timing of it though, why 1692, after most of the persecution had died down to only a few deaths a year due to witch hunts, why not the earlier 1600s or even in continental Europe, the 1400s

[flat oracle]

gotta love ood ol fashioned colonialism -_-

[vivid owl]

not exactly colonialism cos the magical communities probably didn't have colonies, but they definitely took advantage of the growing power of their muggle counterpart nations I'd say

[flat oracle]

Fun fact: no witch ever was burnt at the stake in the UK. there were plenty of hangings etc, but as you pointed out, most of those were long before the 16-1700s

[flat oracle]

Theres a video on youtube as to why having a single magical school in africa is massively problematic

Especially when you consider the book's praise for early egyptian magic

[vivid owl]

The worst of it was around the time of the 1640s-1650s roughly when the English Civil War was happening.
And that was mostly due to one guy who is responsible for about 30% of all the deaths from witch hunts in the UK due to the fact he basically used it as a way to get rich by having towns pay him to get rid of witches, at which point he'd basically name some ugly people and have them hung or drowned.

[vivid owl]

See earlier for my complaints about history and culture being ignored.

[delicate walrus]

first catholic inquisition began 1184, but inquisition use of torture in 1252. so clearly there is huge 400 year gap to "accuse perscution" leading to formation the Secrecy

i am curious to where 1689 came to this formation.

[flat oracle]

Ya know the ammount of actual witches killed by the inqusition and witch hunters, who were actually practising magic of any kind?? Less than one percent. 99.9999% of the "confessions" were forced, and coming from an era where herbalism was normal, and even drawn on by later apothecaries and chemists

So if we are to look at a HP universe stand point, i would assume that witches and wizards would be wanting to prove that they're NOT unnatural or something to be feared?? O.o especially when we have wizards who can REGROW BONES!! can you imagine putting HP type magic into muggle hospitals???

[vivid owl]

Yeah, tis just a bit strange in truth.

ohwell, suspension of disbelief and all that

I'd just like, I don't know, effort to be put in to the background lore

I'm sure that Hogwarts Legacy will have put effort in, but they are working off some incredibly threadbare stuff

[flat oracle]

Yeaaaa... nothing in the HP universe, lore wise, seems to be supported by IRL lore concering the use of magic or supernatural ability

like you go to places in Indonesia, where the indigenous still fervantly believe in magic and ritual, and witch doctors still do most of the curing with traditional methods, since hospitals and aid is out of reach and/or too expensive

[delicate walrus]

might relate to wars against ottomans that took place in 1686 to 1688? what about Isaac Newton's Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica which is introduced in 1687?

[vivid owl]

No idea.

[delicate walrus]

there is also another "point" Renaissance it is where muggle printing and humanism started. might be subliminal scare spreading due to libraries being open to public (aka muggles), finding mysterious grimoires, magical arts, artifiacts and magical journals. causing massive damages on muggles. ICW took look at mess and decided "no no no" attitude toward cant destroy humanity because of magic trinkets appearing during renaissance.

might be where explosion of mugglebloods begins?

[worthy trench]

That was only in movie. And there's no such thing as wards or fail safes in the castle to protect students like that in the books from what i've read online about it. Any defenses inside the school have to be activated by teachers or headmaster and the only instance we saw of that was during the Battle of Hogwarts in Book 7. Otherwise it appears there are no automated magical defenses or anything in the school to protect students or anyone inside its walls.

[quick marsh]

What dose the dark mark mean and why snape and Draco have it?

I watched 6 movies and I’m still confused

Did I watch them with my leg I don’t understand anything lol

[random moon]

It’s a mark Voldy made to brand his followers. He can also use it to summon his Death Eaters to him.

When used as a mark in the sky it was originally done by death eaters to indicate that they had killed someone to strike fear into the Wizarding community

[manic igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-felton-harry-potter-hogwarts-draco-malfoy-gif-10700209

[sharp arch]

the dak mark can also send direct signal to voldermort when the death eaters need him and the mark is only given to top class death eaters (and thats why peter pettingrew doesnt have one)

[random moon]

Pettigrew got one. Not because he was one of the inner circle per se, or even really a death eater, but because he was working as a spy for Voldy and feeding them info from the Order

The other Death Eaters and Voldy treated him more like a servant

[torn urchin]

cause hes a rat

[random moon]

Yes lol

[sharp arch]

oh ok

[wicked roost]

What an honor to receive the brand for the dark lord 🌝

[quick marsh]

Tysm!!

[modern moth]

Meet our headmaster https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Muggles'_Guide_to_Harry_Potter/Characters/Phineas_Nigellus_Black#Overview

[sick night]

Isn't he considered one of the worst headmasters?

[random moon]

Yeah because he hated kids lol

[vivid owl]

That was also Sirius's bias speaking.

[wise jungle]

Well his portrait was not very kind to Harry from Order of the Phoenix to Half-Blood Prince, nor to the golden trio in Deathly Hallows...

[worthy trench]

Yah so the portrait is probably accurate.

[idle salmon]

If McGonagall turned to a cat while she's pregnant, will she have kittens instead?

[crisp ravine]

Now that's an interesting topic to discuss.

Well it's all on the genes and DNA so it would depend if you get animal genes when u become your animagus or keep your human dna.

Since animagus is a form of magic (Transfiguration) I say u keep ur human bio structure... (Debatable) but if u didn't keep human biology then how would u understand people, like Sirius used to when he transformed into padfoot?

But a cat can't have human baby..

Idk maybe it's impossible to give birth in animagus form... I don't think there's many mad women that would try giving birth in animagus form

😂

[random moon]

I feel like if an animagus was pregnant, they simply wouldn’t be able to use the skill until after the baby was born.

[long badge]

I think there's some stuff on werewolves tho

[idle salmon]

Damn that sucks

But then again if she could have kittens that'd be quite depressing as well since cats don't live that long

[random moon]

If two werewolves meet and breed while transformed then they have actual wolves as young, though they’re much more beautiful and intelligent than regular wolves

[long badge]

mhm that's what I remember reading somewhere

just wondering if it would be like that for animagi

[random moon]

Nah, it’s very advanced transfiguration.

Lycanthropy us a disease

I genuinely believe that an animagus simply wouldn’t be able to change into their animal form while pregnant and I don’t think they’d be able to get pregnant while in that form either.

[long badge]

we need more lore

[modern moth]

Fine. https://www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/werewolves

[long badge]

no on the Animagi

lol

[idle salmon]

Somebody should ask this to JKR on twitter

Does anyone have enough clout to grab her attention?

I think she'd reply if it was a Fanpage

[glossy skiff]

See I think differently. It could be one of the ways that someone is born a metamorphmagus, by getting pregnant while in animagus form. As for transforming while pregnant, I believe that the baby would be protected magically and make the baby more accepting to becoming a animagus

[queen moat]

the baby would probably be a mix and be more prone to become an animagus.

[random moon]

An animagus is a learned skill. It’s very complex transfigurations but it’s not hereditary (unlike a Metamorphmagus which is possible to inherit from a parent if they have the ability)

An Animagus can only change their own body. If one was pregnant then they wouldn’t be able to as there would be another, albeit much smaller, body growing within them. Which is why it makes much more sense that a pregnant Animagus just wouldn’t be able to transform while pregnant.

[queen moat]

yea but tha magic literally changes u into an animal. not a human disguised as an animal, an animal wiht human inteligance

[stuck epoch]

no youre still you just with an animal form

[random moon]

No it’s still you, just in an animal form. It’s transfiguration.

You still have your own mind, morals, consciousness etc

[stuck epoch]

aka a human "disguised" as an animal

[queen moat]

oh ok my bad

[random moon]

Yup

Like when Slughorn transfigured himself into an armchair.

He was disguised as an armchair but still had his mind in there

Self transfiguration wouldn’t work with a baby in utero anyway, whatever you were trying to transfigure into. As it’s only supposed to work on your body, having another body in there would block it.

[stuck epoch]

or make a big mess

[idle salmon]

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Delphini

[modern moth]

Probably some fanfiction

[viral badger]

Not a topic to be having in this server

[idle salmon]

My Bad

I haven't kept up with the lore since the movies ended & didn't bother to look up the cursed child but after looking at the synopsis, it's an interesting premise to say the least

[viral badger]

Yeah it's a play they've made where Voldemort and belletrix have a child. It's hit or miss for alot of fans

[idle salmon]

Who's the actress in the thumbnail?

Oh so the picture is from her performance in a play, Got it

[stuck epoch]

it technically is canon but like

[idle salmon]

But yea why'd they make her look like a conventionally attractive person?

Or just even a regular human

[simple swift]

she has no reason not to be I guess

[idle salmon]

She should've looked more like her dad

[simple swift]

I know voldemort wasn’t attractive but that wasn’t from genetics that was from tearing his soul apart so many times

[viral badger]

In lore he was described as very handsome and charismatic but the soul splitting destroyed him basically

More he split his soul the more deformed terrifying he became

[idle salmon]

But that was his new body tho right?

That wasn't the body he was born with?

[viral badger]

I'm not certain. I believe he looked like that at the time he killed Harry's parents. The ritual that brought his body back just resurrected his body

[idle salmon]

Pale & noseless?

[viral badger]

Most likely

I think in one of the books where it tells him going to kill James and lilly on Halloween night a little boy ran up to him and saw his face and ran off

It's been awhile though

Voldemort was considering killing the kid but decided not to as that would give away he is in godric hollow

[idle salmon]

So the body was still of Tom Riddle but with a bit more ugly face, anemic skin & snake slit nose?

[viral badger]

Pretty much

You have to consider that making a horcrux. You are destroying your soul and that has an impact on your body as it takes traits of the items. It's a truly unforgiving act

[idle salmon]

Oh wait so the nose was already decomposed & that's why he didn't have one after being resurrected?

[stuck epoch]

im not so sure on this (the snake nose shouldve come after the potters anyways id say as he only then made nagini a horcrux so its makes more sense for me) but im not to sure about his physical state after he started making horcruxes

[viral badger]

The nose didn't really decompose. It became snake like most like a trait from nagini being one of his horcrux

[stuck epoch]

it could also corrupt your body but im not to sure on it

[stuck epoch]

well destroying isnt quit right tho is it? you are splitting your soul but thats different from destroying it

harry destroyed his soul

[viral badger]

Right sorry bad term but yeah

[stuck epoch]

you could be right tho as we dont know if splitting a soul harms the soul as well

[viral badger]

I meant destroy as a way since he's destroying something pure and defiling it by splitting the soul

[idle salmon]

Oh so he looked like a normal human being when he killed the potters?

[stuck epoch]

yes that would be correct

[viral badger]

Normal is debatable

He looked much like what he did from the later movies. The resurrection ritual didn't create a new body form so much it recreated his old body

Brought it back as it was in his higher power

[idle salmon]

No I mean normal like how any middle-aged bad guy from Hogwarts would look like, Ex: lucius Malfoy or something

[viral badger]

I mean as normal being would the height and everything but he was still deformed

[stuck epoch]

but why didnt he have a nose then? (like before he tried to kill harry he didnt make nagini a horcrux so while still possible for him to have a snake nose it would make more sense for him to have it after he did the horcrux)

[idle salmon]

Yep nose & hair as well

He should've looked normal

[stuck epoch]

so its more like he looked like in the later movies but with a nose atleast

[viral badger]

Was nagini before or after he was destroyed by Harry as an infant?

[stuck epoch]

after

[viral badger]

I thought she was with him when they met when he was younger

Ah I don't know honestly than

[stuck epoch]

i remember reading that he met her in a jungle after he was defeated by harry

[viral badger]

Oh maybe I remember quirrel was hunting him in the forest when Voldemort took over his body

Voldemort had no physical form at the time

[idle salmon]

Like Agent 47?

[stuck epoch]

nagini was made into a horcrux in 1994

[idle salmon]

Can someone tell me how long his corpse stayed a corpse till he was resurrected?

[viral badger]

There was none

His body was destroyed by infant harry

All that was left was a spirit

Similar to the end of hp1

The doll like thing was made useing dark magic as a host body

In HP goblet of fire

[random moon]

The rudimentary body I believe it’s called

[viral badger]

Right

[stark snow]

Yes, the blood of unicorn and the venom of nagini

[idle salmon]

So it's not Tom Riddle's body then
Was it made from his DNA or something?

[stuck epoch]

there was dna from his father in the body

so kinda

[viral badger]

I'm not sure honestly but I'm assuming it took his form due to the soul

[random moon]

And pretty dark magic

[stark snow]

From what I have read, the rudimentary body is made from the ingredients mentioned above

[idle salmon]

What was added from his dad?

[stuck epoch]

wasnt it blood of his enemie not unicorn?

[stuck epoch]

his bones

or a bone

[idle salmon]

Fair enough then

[viral badger]

No that was for the resurrection ritual

[stark snow]

For the full resurrection yes

[stuck epoch]

ah

[viral badger]

The doll thing was a temporary body

[stuck epoch]

ok sorry different bodys then

yeye

[stark snow]

But his muppet Tom form is made of "simpler" ingredients.

[stuck epoch]

yup

[idle salmon]

So it's not Tom Riddle's body then

[viral badger]

Yes and no

[idle salmon]

It's a new custom made body with animal stuff

[stuck epoch]

well the rudimentary body was an ingredient for his new body

[stark snow]

A temporary vessel, not good enough to rule his deatheaters, but good enough to plot and use his wand

[viral badger]

Anyways you guys have fun discussing things. I need to head off for now. Hope you all have a wonderful Halloween day/night and ttyl

[idle salmon]

You said Tom's body was destroyed when he attacked Harry (The handsome one) which means that body did not procreate with Bellatrix to conceive Delphini, the ugly one with unicorn blood & snake venom did

[random moon]

Magic would have made it genetically indistinguishable from his body before it got destroyed,

It’s a very dark ritual used. And magic is capable of impressive things

[viral badger]

This ty

Wasn't sure how to word it

[idle salmon]

So his blood is still regular human blood?

[random moon]

Yes

[viral badger]

His blood came from Harry but yes it would become his

[idle salmon]

LoL wut?

[viral badger]

Same with the flesh and bone

[idle salmon]

Then that's Harry's DNA

[viral badger]

Not necessarily

All the blood does is allow him to make physical contact with Harry with out harming him servery

The blood of the enemy (Harry) bone of the father,and flesh of the servent(wormtail)

[random moon]

Yeah all the blood did was make him free of the Ancient Magic protection from Lily’s sacrifice

[worthy trench]

and screwed himself over in the process

provided certain conditions were met

which they were

as AD planned for after learning bout it

[stark snow]

Poor Tom, so hard to be an Horcrux pioneer

[idle salmon]

LoL it's just some stupid play

But yea I still think with all the stuff that went into making his new body which fathered Delphini she shouldn't be looking anywhere as good or even as human as she does.

I don't think his new body even has any regular human anatomy inside it, if he or his followers deliberately chose to make him as human as they could just be making him more vulnerable.

She should've been more reptilian like him

Or something scary I guess 😆

[stuck epoch]

it doesnt matter if he had regular human anatomy as he was "immortal" anyways

and everything that could kill a human could also kill anything else if we are talking magic

[idle salmon]

Something like this would make sense 😆

[stark snow]

She is kinda cute ngl

Who needs a nose anyway

[idle salmon]

True

All it does it stay blocked & give headaches

[timid juniper]

I've heard somewhere that most people think the nose is the most unattractive anyway

[idle salmon]

Also isn't it funny how comically unsecure Azkaban is throughout the lore?

It's less like a prison & more like a Detention room

[modern moth]

Is it though?? Its definitely worse than a prison imo and I’d say it’s pretty secure

[random moon]

That many Dementors constantly sucking even the tiniest trace of happiness or hope from the prisoners leaves said prisoners unable to use magic.

They’re left in a constant state of hopelessness and depression and unable to use magic.

Sirius managed to avoid the worst of it by changing into his Animagus form on a semi regular basis. It helped him keep his mind and eventually he escaped.

Barty Crouch JR only escaped because his parents hatching a plot to have his mother swap places with him by disguising herself as him.

She later died and as far as the world was concerned, Barty Crouch Jr was dead.

That was the first escape in 300 years.

Azkaban is on a small island off the mainland. The prisoners can’t use their magic. There’s no way to escape without outside help or the wherewithal to protect your mind as an Animagus in you animal form.

If you somehow managed to get past the Dementors, (who would absolutely pick up on any hope you felt at escaping) you’d have no means to get back to the mainland and get caught

[modern moth]

@random moon I know you’ll appreciate how WILD the Barty escape was!!

Talk about a mothers love!

[limpid cliff]

Very interesting

[modern moth]

“Left in a constant state of hopelessness and depression” BRUH

I’d rather die then get sent to Azkaban

Wild place!

“Many in authority thought Azkaban an evil place that was best destroyed. Others were afraid of what might happen to the Dementors infesting the building if they deprived them of their home. The creatures were already strong and impossible to kill; many feared a horrible revenge if they took away a habitat where they appeared to thrive. The very walls of the building seemed steeped in misery and pain, and the Dementors were determined to cling to it. Experts who had studied buildings built with and around Dark magic contended that Azkaban might wreak its own revenge upon anybody attempting to destroy it. The fortress was therefore left abandoned for many years, a home to continually breeding Dementors.”

This place was built with the darkest of magicks

Imagine stealing another wizards broom and then being sent to Azkaban as punishment 😂💀

Pretty sure that doesn’t happen though. Im guessing people who commit less serious crimes and misdemeanors are just fined

Steal your neighbors cauldron? 50 galleon fine

[modern moth]

Prob do like a couple months in Azkaban for little things too

Hexed you’re coworker? 1 month in Azkaban

[random moon]

I’m pretty sure that only the worst of the worst are out in Azkaban.

Lesser crimes like theft or forgery might get you a fine.

But Azkaban is saved for those who cast Unforgivable curses on their fellow man or mass murder.

[modern moth]

And hexing or harming muggles

Like Morfin Gaunt

[subtle olive]

yes, just blood touched by Ancient Magic. In short the damn fool basically took it into himself and made Harry unkillable so long as Voldemort himself still lived.

so Cursed Child could never make sense. Their darkest timeline section is fundamentally broken:

Snape was dead before Harry for starters
Even IF Cedric became a Death Eater (he never would), preventing Neville from killing Nagini would only delay the inevitable because he could always retrieve the sword and kill it during the battle because no hex or curse was binding due to Harry's sacrifice. And even IF it bought him time to escape, it would only manifest into an 8th book because Harry is immortal so long as Voldemort still lives due to his idiocy of using Harry's blood as his own.

"You have less to fear coming back here than Voldemort does," said Dumbledore

[umbral mortar]

Then there's also the fact that they shouldn't have been able to find potter house when traveling back to past, as it was under the fidelius charm

[idle salmon]

But they can't do shii to Voldy
He can bust out anybody he wants to anytime
So it's probably the worst place in the world only to the ones that aren't Slytherin i.e. one's who don't have an allegiance to the Dark Lord unlike the Dementors 🤷🏻‍♂️

[idle salmon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/bzln6g/the_cursed_child_cannot_be_cannon/eqx8w0d?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Some of the comments are funny

🤭

[brave echo]

Can you use stealth against the dementors ?

[brave echo]

But the book is written by Rowling herself. How can it not be Canon ?

[random moon]

No, dementors don’t have eyes, they don’t use sight to hunt.

They hunt by sensing emotions.

They find animals harder to sense the thoughts and feelings of as they’re less complex.

That’s how Sirius kept his mental strength and eventually escaped

[random moon]

JKR has tweeted that she would consider CC canon

She helped write it

[idle salmon]

Coz in the OG books all of the Time travelling thingies were gone, yet in this she'll Time travel regardless

[brave echo]

There is the time Turner in the OG books

[idle salmon]

Also why is the book even called Harry Potter when he's not even the protagonist?

[brave echo]

Interesting , The dementors are in the game as well so I thought there would be stealth missions .

[brave echo]

Harry Potter is a brand. People will always be interested if they see that name.

[idle salmon]

I guess that goes to show how bad the book is if the protagonist of the book is a subtext of the title 😭

[modern moth]

This also explains why CC (and and FB) should not be considered canon by the fandom, It’s all just a cash grab! Of course she’s gonna say it’s “canon” so she can make more money but it really isn’t.

[random moon]

All the Time Turners owned by the Ministry were destroyed.

Others created by other governments could still exist

But an outside source could still make one if they had the knowledge and skill. They’re just very very risky as they involve containing an hour reversal charm within a vessel to stabilise it enough to be usable

The one in CC was made by an outside source for the Malfoy family.They had the money to be able to hire someone with the know how.

Now I don’t like CC and how it spits in the face of lore, how easily JKR let her lore be twisted for what feels like glorified fanfiction

Just playing devils advocate

[brave echo]

Every wizarding world merch you see will also have the name harry potter tagged with it for the same reason.

[brave echo]

Exactly

[brave echo]

What Happened to the one Hermione had ?

[random moon]

Was returned to the Ministry. Minerva originally borrowed it using her connections and a promise that the student she gave it to would be responsible and being ready to take responsibility herself should something go awry.

After POA p, Hermione gave it back to her and it was subsequently returned to the Department of Mysteries Time Room

[brave echo]

Very Interesting. They should have showed this in the movie . Harry Potter would have worked best as a series rather than a movie. They could have shown much more about the lore

[brave echo]

If Hermione kept the time Turner. Could they have used it to save Sirius in the order of the Phoenix ?

Or Dobby ?

[random moon]

Probably not.

Some points in time are fixed and trying to change them an completely alter the timeline or cause other unknown effects that an be devastating.

[brave echo]

So there is no chance of Saving Sirius and Dobby ?

[random moon]

No, they’d be at too big a risk of their last selves seeing their present selves.

One of the first rules of time travel is don’t let your past self see your current self.

[brave echo]

Does Hogwarts play a major role in FB or is it just a cameo ?

[frank jewel]

Not at all, it's like 2 scenes in the third movie

[brave echo]

What part does Dumbledore play in the movie ?

[frank jewel]

The same part he does in the HP movies, a chess player using everyone as his chess pieces to do what he knows needs to be done.

[brave echo]

Lmao

What is the timeline of FB from from the movies ?

[frank jewel]

First Wizarding War it seems is what they are going for

Though that's not really clear until the second movie

[brave echo]

Hogwarts is still in one piece , so is it set before harry Potter's first year ?

[frank jewel]

Yeah 'long' before, a few years before Dumbledore first meets Voldemort I think

I don't remember the exact years

[glossy skiff]

Would definitely say first wizard of war, unless that is the first time Voldemort rose up. Not sure

[brave echo]

So Voldemort wasn't even born at that time.

[frank jewel]

Yeh something like that

[brave echo]

So it should be in the 1920's.

I'm assuming

[frank jewel]

The second movie is apparently set in 1927, so I assume the first is 1926, and the third is 1928 or something

[brave echo]

Is the third one the end of FB or is more coming ?

[frank jewel]

I think they planned 5 movies

but everyone is expecting them to cancel as the last two haven't been that great

[umbral mortar]

First movie is 1926

Second one is 1928

Third one is in 1932

[brave echo]

What is the story arc they are going with ?
If there is no Voldemort then who are the villains ?

[umbral mortar]

Gellert Grindelwald

And his acolytes

[brave echo]

Alright

[vivid owl]

Thought it was meant to be 1927 the second one.

[umbral mortar]

It appears i was wrong, it is 1927. Weird how i always thought it was 1928. Mandela effect i guess

[vivid owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I actually thought the 3rd one was 1928 until I looked it up

it was just because of Lally saying it'd been a bit over a year since Jacob had met Newt, so I was like "Oh so we're in 1928"

Nope

Honestly still wish Theseus had been the main character of the 2nd and third films, but oh well

All the lore violations of the films do annoy me though

[worthy trench]

1926 - 1945. I've no doubt we get 1 more movie in 1945 to finish the story if not 2 movies

They can easily cut out a movie and go all out with one more and give us the big duel and big army of beasts fight.

Like I dunno what they could do in a 4th movie since they can't capture GG again really and he ain't gonna be running for goverment again.

All they could do in a 4th movie is maybe kill off some characters to give extra resolve to beat GG in the next movie.

and have WW2 start and how the WW reacts and how GG exploits it to his advantage (I assume the movie would be set in 1939).

[wooden copper]

A nice thread on architecture in Harry Potter https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1587531032986787852

[stone matrix]

Privet drive “claustrophic”? There’s so much open space! Feels like the guy has never been to an English town lol

[wooden copper]

🤷‍♂️

The planned housing here in NYC is much worse

[idle salmon]

The whole block or just the closet underneath the stairs?

[stone matrix]

The whole block lol

[idle salmon]

What happened to Dudley's pig tail btw?

Did they have it surgically removed?

[stark snow]

I believe they did yes

[idle salmon]

Damn

[idle salmon]

I always wondered how no one with the house names were ever in the movies 🤔

[worthy trench]

Rowena had one and that kid's ghost is in Hogwarts.

Salazar must have since he has descendents in Tom Riddle and the Gaunts.

Helga may have some

Godric is unknown

All of them may have many descendants indirectly

Rowena would have no living ones if Helga was her only kid and she had no siblings or blood related cousins

And we are talking 1000 years between them and modern day. Any indirect descendants will be born into different families with different family names

Helga studied at Hogwarts

If the other founders had kids at the time they too would have no doubt studied there and this would continue so long as those kids descendants were wizards/witches but that doesn't mean they would use the names of the founders

[vivid owl]

Helga Hufflepuff definitely had children as the Smith family claim descent from her and had her artefact until Riddle stole it.

[worthy trench]

Claiming is not confimation

hence i said possibly have some in her case

[vivid owl]

well the Gaunts claim descent from Slytherin, doesn't mean they were, yet it's accepted

[worthy trench]

Tom's ability to tame the Basilisk is basically the proof

and JK herself said it somewhere i think he is directly descended from him

[vivid owl]

the canon says that the Smiths are descended from Hufflepuff, how isn't clear, but they are a successor family.

[worthy trench]

Ultimately no one can verify blood relation unless with blood magic of some kind or a blood test which can't be done in the latter case cos the founders are long dead

[vivid owl]

Honestly as long as Wizarding families don't Habsburg themselves then there'll be plenty of descendants that just have different surnames and so don't fully know they are descended.

[worthy trench]

Riddle's descent is more easy and likely to be true due to Gaunt inbreeding for ages and the relation to Peverell's who in turn are related to Slytherin family.

[vivid owl]

it's like the "half the British Wizarding World is a Black" joke, cos it's kind of true.

[worthy trench]

Smith claim has literally nothing going for it though

to support its claim

though i just asusme its true

[vivid owl]

apart from the fact that they held Helga Hufflepuff's cup for a thousand years until Riddle stole it

[worthy trench]

which is little

and we dunno how long they had it

[vivid owl]

Also they are purebloods

Sure you can doubt it, but at the end of the day Rowling wrote that it most likely is

easier to just say "Alright," and look for who else might also be descended from the Founders

[worthy trench]

There's actually no confirmation the Smith familiy is pureblood or all of them are.

Ultimately its unanswerable

No one can confirm or debunk the Smith claim

So its up to you to decide if its true or not

But TM's is much more certain than their claim

I just assume Smith family is related

as you say the cup ended up with them

But Godric and Helga most likely have indirect descendants somwhere

Salazar does

Rowena is unknown

I imagine Godric had a kid at least as did Helga

And im sure the 4 had siblings or blood related cousins

And if Godric and Salazar had any illegitimate kids, its unknown if they'd be aware of them depending on the circumstances or want anything to do with them (in Salazar's case) if the kids were muggles or squibs.

I can't see Godric ignoring any offspring of his unless the offspring didn't want anything to do with him

Salazar I can see ignoring illegitimate offspring

Middle Ages et all. Attitudes were different and status was a big deal

[worthy trench]

Well they didn't. People tended to use the surnames of their fathersin Britan. Its just how things went in history.

[random moon]

But that’s now how they did it back then, a bride keeping her maiden name or even a groom taking their wife’s surname is a very modern thing.

Back then it was always the bride taking the grooms’s surname and marrying into that family,

That’s what gave a daughter value, their ability to marry into another family and in turn earn a dowry and strengthen both families through the bloodline

[worthy trench]

I did read it was the other way round in China way back and the husbands took the wifes' family surname though

[subtle olive]

that is also the case in Mexico. They take the mother's name as their own

[worthy trench]

Didn't know bout that. Interesting.

[worthy trench]

Yah and since their was no seperation of non-magicals and magicals back then, I imagine they both followed the same customs and traditions in many areas like that.

[worthy trench]

non-verbal and wandless happens more often in the films than in the books

[idle salmon]

The fights wouldn't have looked as good if they kept saying it everytime

[idle salmon]

Never thought of this tbh
https://youtu.be/KzuW8vaAlRw

[worthy trench]

Yah it get annoying fast. And also its not as practical if your fighting and your opponant can hear the spell ur casting and the time it takes to say the spell. Also if you can' do non-verbal casting as good as verbal you in trouble if your opponant magics your mouth shut or makes you incapable of speaking.

[idle salmon]

I never quite understood why Harry's kids are classified as Half-Bloods in the wikia, Aren't both their parents wizards?

[rugged stream]

Harry is half-blood so his kids are automatically half-bloods

Half-bloods doesn't mean half and half just that there is some muggleborn ancestry

[vivid owl]

the technical definition of a pure-blood according to the wiki which also comes from Rowling's writings, is a magical for whom the parents and all their grandparents were magical as well.

So technically Harry's kids are pure-blood, but it's canon that in-universe that said technical definition is not accepted as good enough by the pure-bloods

as far as they are concerned, if anyone of the grandparents are muggleborn then it makes the great-grandchildren half-blood.

[idle salmon]

They're ¾ᵗʰ blood more like

[rugged stream]

"Half-blood" is the official term

Otherwise things would go complicated with all the percentage

[idle salmon]

Not that it matters anyways

They're Potter's kids so no one's gonna give them sh't over them not being inbred

[wooden copper]

It only matters to Death Eaters

[subtle olive]

Ya know what JUST occurred to me? Nobody knows who the Head Boy and Girl were every year throughout Harry's time at Hogwarts except Year 3 when we know Percy is Head Boy but noooobody knows his Head Girl!

You'd think with Prefects continuously playing a role that the BOSS STUDENTS would take a bigger role each year like DADA teachers but YOU NEVER SEE THEM! OR even know their names to boot!

[subtle olive]

I was literally gonna type this LOL

[idle salmon]

I don't understand why some wizarding families needed to inbreed when there are wizards all over the world.

Like they could marry someone from France or something

[idle salmon]

Oh wow that got me thinking...
Are the spells same everywhere or do different countries have different localized spells altogether?

[past quartz]

Demand for Minerva lore

[wooden copper]

Because they believed in blood purity

Think Royal families

[idle salmon]

Yes there are Wizarding Families all over the world tho, they wouldn't have a Wizarding school in France if there weren't any wizards in France

[wooden copper]

I'm talking about why some wizard families chose to marry their cousins

Blood purity is the central belief of the Death Eaters

[idle salmon]

Yes but they don't have to tho
There are probably other pureblood wizard families in France, America, Russia or Brazil that they can marry & still be pure of blood

Like they can marry purebloods that aren't their cousins but are equally magical.

[wooden copper]

That's the thing

They're all cousins to some extent

And what you're talking about did happen

It's an allegory for the European royal families - they're all cousins

[idle salmon]

Yea but what about the Asian schools?

They can marry Asian purebloods

[wooden copper]

I'm sure the same thing happens

It's still considered "inbreeding" even if it's your second or third cousin

Which is the case for a lot of royal marriages

[idle salmon]

What about Africa then?

They can marry pureblood Aftican wizards
That are DEFINITELY not their cousins

[wooden copper]

Sure but then it goes back to what their idea of blood purity is

Keep in mind blood purity could also be read as eugenics

"Mudblood" is a literal slur

See what I'm talking about?

[tropic jewel]

Generally by the second or third cousin in relative distance there is enough fresh or different blood usually to prevent (most at least) genetic issues

[wooden copper]

Yeah exactly, it's more of a political thing at that point

Royal marriages strengthen bonds between different kingdoms

[idle salmon]

So an African pureblood wizard would still be considered mudblood to the UK wizards?

[wooden copper]

No a pureblood is a pureblood

[idle salmon]

Exactly then why marry your cousins
When there are different continents with other pureblood families to choose from?

[wooden copper]

But that's the thing - it depends on your definition of pureblood. I'm sure certain pureblood families hold prejudices of being "more magical" than others

[idle salmon]

Ok that's all you had to say really 😆

So yea it's all arbitrary criteria in the end

[wooden copper]

Exactly

Think about it, Voldemort put so much emphasis on being a "direct descendant" of Salazar Slytherin. Does that make Slytherin's bloodline more magical than say, the Weasleys, somehow?

[idle salmon]

Which is understandable for the 4 European schools but there Brazilian, American, African & Asian schools who I'm pretty sure aren't all cousins to the UK folks

[idle salmon]

Funny you should say that coz till yesterday
I thought Ginny's full name as Ginerva Weasley 💀

It isn't apparently, just another Mandela effect

I thought it was Ginerva like Minerva but it wasn't

[worthy trench]

You may just be able to say your langauge's equvalent of the spell's translation or people just invented the same spells using their native languages over time independantly of each other. The earliest spells would have in ancient Egyptian since the oldest known magic uses on record are from antiquity there. I assume people just made the spells work in other languages as they went.

Especially since most if anyone can't even speak ancient langauges properly.

[idle salmon]

OMG that is actually sick

[idle salmon]

It would be practical if you casted spells in different languages to throw off your opponents 😏

@long edge
Are the spells translated in French books or
are they same spells as the original?

[long edge]

Some of them, are translated and the others, nope. Like Crucio, for us, in french, its Endoloris

But for example, Avada Kedavra stay like that in english 😊

[worthy trench]

They'd still be saying the spells so their opponant would know they'd be casting something and be prepped to at least protego or something

[modern moth]

It's because her grandmother calls her Ginerva.

or calls ron Ginerva.

one of em.

[idle salmon]

No it's Ginevra

[modern moth]

Ah.

Same thing tbh.

[idle salmon]

It's a different pronunciation altogether 😆

I've been pronouncing it wrong all these years

[idle salmon]

Yep if Animagus only turned the person into an Animal, McGonagall would be disrobed everytime she turns to a cat but that isn't the case, her entire outfit including her glasses syncs to feline physiology, So why wouldn't a foetus do the same? 😌

[delicate walrus]

oldest is Aramaic that had some rumored or folklore style magical connection

[delicate walrus]

so that makes pettigrew having oldest and probably the most stinkiest clothes? well his clothes was really ratty when he was de-animaged to normal.

woah... ron then will need to get his nose "destinked" with a spell

[worthy trench]

I think the earliest Ancient Egyptian langauge predates the earliest form of Aramaic language based on what I've read. But I couldn't be certain. All we know is the oldest known magic use in the lore is from Ancient Egypt in the BCE era.

Potentially tying into that is, the earliest known "wizard" in real life on record is apparently Jajamanekh who lived in Egypt (2600 BC). Though there's no garantee this guy was an actual wizard in HP lore.

[maiden plover]

irzi think tt the h might be like munntt in x men

[limpid cliff]

?

[dire ermine]

Ever thought about how professor binns grades essays if he can’t interact with the physical universe and actually write on the parchment? Or the chalkboard for that matter?

[stuck epoch]

There is a spell for writing on a board and another for paper so he might use that

[random moon]

Could be enchanted to write out the things he says aloud.

Obviously Binns didn’t enchant it himself, not after his death anyways

[stuck epoch]

Its one of those things to which we will never know the real answer but that is very possible

May have been enchanted from the start (in all classrooms as well) so the teachers have it easier

[random moon]

That sounds the most logical and practical tbf

[worthy trench]

I mean same conundrums apply to food and drink for ghosts and how you put mandrake drought into a ghost.

[dry thunder]

can ghosts use magic?

[stuck epoch]

im not sure

thats why i said he might

[dry thunder]

that would be really interesting if they could

do we know if in the lore, that the house ghosts were wizards or witches before their death? Like did they die in the school or just on that spot of land where the founders built? Like, i think the grey lady was for sure, but nearly headless nick, the friar and bloody baron?

[stuck epoch]

we havent seen one for use magic but there is also no statement that says they cant use it for all i know

yes you have to be magical to become a ghost

muggles cant become ghosts

but the nonmagical child of magical parents (forgot what you call them) can become ghost

[dry thunder]

ah, here, i found a background on the ghosts....lol

https://www.wizardingworld.com/features/the-secret-lives-of-the-hogwarts-ghosts

[random moon]

A Squib

[stuck epoch]

right thanks

[random moon]

And I don’t think ghost can do magic. They can’t interact with anything in the living world beyond speaking and listening

Pretty sure you need to be alive to be able to do magic

[dry thunder]

maybe binns never corrects homework and tests, maybe they go over the correct answers in class....where he drones on about each answer lol

[stuck epoch]

maybe he just doesnt correct and also doesnt answer in class

his class is famous for being a sleep fest after all

[umbral mortar]

Maybe house elves correct the homework? 😄
He just instructs them?

[stuck epoch]

that could also work

[dry thunder]

oh what an idea lol

or maybe he had a special quill before he died that corrected papers....kinds like rita's quill that wrote on its own

[modern moth]

So when Salazar Slytherin bred the basilisk could he look directly into the creatures eyes without dying? Do basilisk not hurt their masters? I mean we read in CoS that the basilisk only obeyed Slytherin and his heirs, were they not affected by the deadly gaze?

[random moon]

They could probably order it to not kill or petrify them if they caught it’s gaze directly or indirectly.

The Basilisk must have some control over who it can and can’t kill, otherwise it’s order and purpose to hunt Muggle orbs would be moot if one accidental glance could kill one of Salazars precious purebloods

[modern moth]

That makes sense, thank you! Looks like the creature is more intelligent than I thought, especially if it can tell purebloods from mudbloods.

[random moon]

It can probably smell the difference if I had to guess. Muggle blood probably has a different scent.

[modern moth]

Yes! That’s what I was thinking!

Perhaps some wizards/witches have a higher concentration of magic in their blood?

And the basilisk can smell that?

I need to do some research, what an interesting creature…

[random moon]

Not so much magic, as blood purity doesn’t effect how magical or skilled a person is. But there must be a difference in how they’d smell.

[modern moth]

All purebloods use the same perfume 💀

[novel silo]

Did you think about it, if Harry ended up in slitherin he could control the basilisk and could have orders it to kill Tom. Then the basilisk would have never died and would be Harry’s pet.

I can’t take credit for the idea.

[random moon]

I don’t think he’d be able to control it. He’s not an heir of Salazar Slytherin and his ability to use and understand Parselmouth was a side effect of being an unwilling host to a parasitic sliver of Voldy’s soul

And I think the Basilisk would recognise that he’s not an heir.

Heck it obeyed a not quite fully real yet menory of Tom Riddiein the CoS

[dry thunder]

just being A slytherin wouldn't give him ability to control it, he'd have to be a descendant of slytherin

[novel silo]

Like I said it’s not my idea. It was in one of the “what if harry was in slitherin” videos by super Carlin brothers.

[idle salmon]

If Harry was adopted/raised by someone who is Slytherin he would've been put in Slytherin.

I had come up with a story for a timeline where Harry could get sorted into Slytherin, but it had to be a version of him that's ambitious, driven & spiteful. A Harry that isn't just 'Sad' abt his parents death & of the nightmares of their deaths that's tormenting him. But this Harry will be the one whose sorrow will evolve into a burning hatred for everyone that led to his parents death i.e. all of the Death eaters. So it'd have to be a vengeful Harry who fears nothing & worked on getting stronger with a sole purpose of killing each & everyone involved in his parents death could end up in Slytherin.
Not saying that there couldn't be a vengeful Gryffindor but this will have to be a Harry that'll do anything to get achieve his goals.
So this Harry will not just be respected & reverred but also feared for how powerful he is. And it could have a decent story arc of him showing mercy to Snape & the malfoys 🤷🏻‍♂️ So basically it's like Regime Superman but Harry

[hollow bough]

In Wizarding World the hair of African mermaids are used as cores. According to the Eulalie Hicks actress, this is a tribute to Mami Wata. Does that mean Mami Wata is a new species of Merperson?

[spiral summit]

Or just the first african to do it

If she did great things, using the same core as her may be a commemoration

[stuck epoch]

There are a few different kinds of mermaids in WW

[worthy trench]

I don't think much changes with HP in Slytherin.

His nature isn't evil or vengeful or presdisposed to it

[worthy trench]

In fact, he may make Slytherin better to some degree if he went there and pulled some away from blood purity ideals and helped remove prejudice maybe and help with inter-house unity.

But i doubt much changes with him there in terms of how the story goes

Maybe he avoids certain traps and issues

as do others

[idle salmon]

Yep even Superman isn't as well
But Injustice was a great rendition of him not holding back, also being feared & not just loved & respected.

As a kid I always saw Harry as kinda like Superman as in he's holding back a lot because he's a good person, So it would be an interesting POV to see him as a Lawful Evil Anti-hero.

[worthy trench]

I just can't see it with HP. He had the best parts of his parents in him

[idle salmon]

The same dursley raised do-gooder that deliberately whispers to the hat to sort him into Slytherin just so that his presence can fix their ways, turn them good & improve the overall reputation of the house?

[novel silo]

He doesn't need to whispers to the hat to sort him into Slytherin, he just needs to not whisper at all, because the hat really wanted to put him into slytherin.

[idle salmon]

Oh yea forgot abt that, that makes sense

But him being a Slytherin do-gooder would make the story 10x boring bcoz just coz he's in Slytherin now Voldemort is not gonna stop going after him & worst yet I doubt anyone from Slytherin would help him to stand up to or even survive past voldemort in the 2nD book.
Either Malfoy would really love Harry & make him a part of his group or still despise him enough to not care. So this Harry will have to probably be much much stronger to survive Slytherin who make up 99% of Death Eaters since he's gonna be more of a Lone wolf without Ron & Hermione to help him 🤷🏻‍♂️

[idle salmon]

A do-gooder Slytherin Harry trying to 'change' the minds of Slytherins, especially the Death eaters to become good people would make up for a lameazz story

My version he's not EVIL, He is JUST
He knows how they murdered his parents & tortured the Longbottoms, he knows they're all insanely Evil that would stoop to any lows to get what they want & the only rightful thing to do is eliminate all of them. It could make up for a dope suspense-thriller on why every member of Death eaters are turning up dead & who exactly is killing them 😆

[shadow compass]

yeah but i think they want to tweak HP’s personality to be a bit more vengeful, and being in slytherin doesn’t mean that you’re automatically predisposed to evil, it’s just the easy house to use for evil

[worthy trench]

Well thats what fanfic is for so they have at it

[idle salmon]

His nature would depend on his influences & I saw this artwork on how Harry would look if he was raised by Snape & it looked quite dope 😆 So I thought I'd come up with a What If for Harry Potter.

[idle salmon]

Wasn't his dad a bully tho?

[worthy trench]

Yah. And he grew out of it eventually. That doesn't mean HP was ever dispositioned to such a thing

As I said fanfic is there if one wants to explore the idea of Slytherin HP or a HP different from the canon HP

[sick night]

Something I've always wondered; if the diary Horcrux had succeeded in creating a new body for itself after draining the life essence from Ginny, would the 16 year old newly returned Tom Riddle have to travel to Albania and absorb the "main" soul fragment that contained his consciousness?

Or would there be two Voldemorts to deal with?

[worthy trench]

JK just said LV would be alot stronger

I assume diary TM would become living again

and or join with main LV

Imagine the dairy one decided to despose of main LV cos he felt he could fulfil their goals better

[light mauve]

when will the pre-order for Turkey be opened ?

[tardy narwhal]

We don't know!

[viral badger]

We don't know as of yet but please don't randomly post anywhere as we do have channels for things and this for lore

[umbral mortar]

Some of these students that we duel in the new video have some familiar surnames from lore.
Constance Dagworth may be related to the potioneer Hector Dagworth-Granger, and Hector Jenkins may be related to future minister of magic Eugenia Jenkins

[worthy trench]

A possible ancestor of Herminone is Hector

[vivid owl]

Maybe

[umbral mortar]

Slughorn asked Hermione of she was related to him, but she told him she's a muggle-born so who knows

[worthy trench]

Its a common name i imagine but its an easy relation to make if they wish

[vivid owl]

Depends when the Dagworth's and Granger's merged to become Dagworth-Granger and if Hermione has a squib ancestor who was part of the magical Granger's before the merge

[stone matrix]

Doesn’t have to be a squib ancestor. Could have been a one night stand or anything else

[vivid owl]

Would have to be a legitimate ancestor if they were to pass on the name Granger to Hermione

[stone matrix]

Oh good point, I was thinking the magic itself but you’re right

[vivid owl]

That is indeed if Hermione has magical ancestors via a squib line. Otherwise if not, then she's just a kid with the surname Granger who was born with magic. Could be related to my Gran considering she was a Granger before she married Granddad. lol.

[random moon]

Muggleborns usually have someone magical or a Squib somewhere in their family ancestry and the magic just happened to re-emerge for that muggleborn

So it’s probably a Squib as they often integrated into Muggle society and married muggles.

[stone matrix]

Oh I would love it to be official lore than you are related to Hermionie 🤣🤣🤣

I think tbh the idea of magic in families… I don’t believe there is any family like that doesn’t have magic in it. Just many that are not active

[vivid owl]

That and Sirius considering my surname. lol.

[bright marsh]

Irl I have ancestors with the last name flint

[vivid owl]

Blacks and Flints, 👍 Good families to be a part of.

[brave echo]

https://screenrant.com/wb-harry-potter-wizarding-world-franchise-dead/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox-SR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1668012641

[real jetty]

That's bulls'
No such thing has been said

[brave echo]

The FB franchise is not doing that good.

[glossy skiff]

Can’t see that being true, can’t say something is dead when a new game is about to be released. Think it just them saying they need to get something out

[delicate forge]

Just speculations, makes no sense when the WW is one of their best IP

They may want to stay away from HP and create unique stories, tho, I hope

[glossy skiff]

Yeah. Something on Marauders would be great as a series

[real jetty]

That is true, but declaring it to be dead/cancelled by WB on the ground of the CEO saying "we want to do more HP" (and implying that FB is not HP) does not mean "we want to get rid of FB". One can do more HP while continuing FB.
I don't believe this is the chan to discuss this, but since that's all there is to say, I'm saying it. 🙂

[worthy trench]

Clickbait article - title says its dead. First lines say WB may have accidently revealed its dead

Wait for confirmation

No one knows anything

What we do know is they wanna do a HP show on HBO but what about we dunno

[brave echo]

Did the basilisk from the chamber of secrets exist in the late 1800's ?

[hollow marlin]

well it was believed to be their a few years after the creation of Hogwarts and the gaunt family and there names through history was its protector and feeders while they are attending hogwarts

[brave echo]

Interesting.

So how old is the snake in the chamber of secrets ?

[hollow marlin]

probably about 950odd years of age as Hogwarts was built in 990ad

[brave echo]

It would be amazing to see the younger version of the snake in the game and maybe a boss fight would be cool too.

[hollow marlin]

it would be cool but it would also be fully grown. so having it as a main story boss would make sence as potter was the one that killed it

[brave echo]

Since harry kills it years later. It would be cool to fight it and then it later goes away into the darkness

[hollow marlin]

the basilisk never left the chamber or the pipes so it would of already been left in darkness, as you saw in the movie it needed to be called from the mouth of Salazar to act for it to no longer sleep in hybernation

[worthy trench]

Basilisk of Slytherin is over 900s years old, the avg life of a Basilisk

[brave echo]

Yeah , We don't know if our main character knows parstletongue or not. It would be cool to to accidentally discover the snake and have a boss fight. After the snake is injured it would go inside the mouth of Salazar.
It would be a cool mission

The pipes are huge and its like a maze so it could be a huge area where the snake can go.

[brave echo]

Since the chamber of secrets isnt opened during this time. I don't know how we would go down there

[hollow marlin]

neither do i, but it is a cool idea

[brave echo]

Was there only one basilisk since the beginning or did the snake laid any eggs ?

[worthy trench]

One 1

And it can't presumably

Only known means of making one is put a rooster or whatever under a chicken egg

Or a toad I think

I don't recall what animal

and I assume some dark magic is done to the egg

[brave echo]

I mean snakes can lay multiple eggs.

What iam curious about is if there are multiple basilisks in the chamber of secrets ?

[worthy trench]

Nothing to indicate there is

It would need another Basilisk to breed with i assume

and there's no indication they can actually breed

they are not natural creatures

born of dark magic

[brave echo]

Ohh , I get it now

[worthy trench]

Ultimately there's no evidence they can breed or not breed

but we can safely assuem there was only 1 Basilisk in the chamber i think

TR would have used others if they were there

alongside the one we know

and wreck death on the school if so

[brave echo]

And how big is the pipe maze ? What we saw in the movie is only one section of the pipes.

It should be huge for a snake of that size to travel throughout the school

[worthy trench]

It extended beneath and throughout the school

and through ancient tunnels

The chamber's surrounding area is beneath the school, in the lake and outside the ground to some extent

It has to be extensive for a giant snake to get around quickly and easily and unseen

[brave echo]

And why is it that that anyone looks in the eye of a basilisk die instantly ?

[vivid owl]

We don't actually know the average life span of a basilisk in the HP universe, as we only have the one example.

For all we know, most basilisks may only make it a couple of hundred years, but due to basically having no active threats the one at Hogwarts has survived for basically 1000 years and could have survived for another thousand if Harry hadn't gone and stabbed it to death.

[brave echo]

And what do basilisk eat ?

[tardy narwhal]

All mammals, birds, even some reptiles

[vivid owl]

Well we know that the basilisk at Hogwarts ate some of the acromantulas out in the forest, but it likely also hunted a variety of other creatures.

Especially as the acromantula nest is recent

Though Hogwarts Legacy posits that there may have been a native variety of giant spider in the forest before hand which was outcompeted by the acromantulas

[brave echo]

By giant spider , is there any variety of spiders bigger than aragog ?

[vivid owl]

acromantulas are the largest form of giant spider that we know of in the HP universe, there are meant to be other varieties but not as big. And Aragog is an especially large specimen of his species.

[brave echo]

And why is aragog that huge and all the other spiders related to him are comparatively small ?

[random moon]

They’re still young (relatively speaking) aragog is older and the leader of his group.

[worthy trench]

Well its said on the wiki and lexicon the avg is 900 years. No source though it turns out.

We only know they could reach 1000 years if fed enough

[brave echo]

Does anyone know what are these eye things in defence against the dark arts classroom ?

[umbral mortar]

Dark detectors

https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Detector

[brave echo]

I see it is used to detect lies ? How does it tell you when lies are detected ?

[umbral mortar]

There'a different types of detectors

Foe glass shows like shadows of your enemies and stuff

Not sure how the eye works though

[brave echo]

Those eye things are in the game as well. And it keeps staring at you wherever you go. It's kinda creepy

[umbral mortar]

Oh really? You got a screenshot? I never noticed them

[brave echo]

Yeah , It even blinks

[thorny niche]

Resembles the "Evil Eye" charm, a Turkish friend gifted me one a long while ago. They are meant to ward off evil and curses, so it is very appropriate to find them in a defense against dark arts class room. What they are in universe, I cannot say for sure.

[umbral mortar]

Cool thanks

[rare osprey]

wait was the thing like this ?

[rotund mulch]

@thorny niche thats cool, my family is from cuba, these keep the envious eye off of you. warding away people who want what you have, etc. practically the same thing.

[brave echo]

Is it like a necklace which you wear ?

[rotund mulch]

yes or can be a bracelet or even a pin

its popular with babies

like we pin them on the cradles and stuff

[brave echo]

Interesting . Is this evil eye charm originated in Scotland ?

[rotund mulch]

Thats a good question. I really have no idea where it originated but i think its pretty cool how multiple points of the world have that same traditional evil eye. literally the same color and all.

[serene ibex]

It predates the romans so its really hard to pinpoint origin

So it runs across a TON of different beliefs / cultures

Would be pretty cool to have it in a wizarding world

[rotund mulch]

^^^ that would pretty cool

imagine it being some sort of accessory, acts like a shield against specific type of magic

haha would be cool

[brave echo]

I don't think you can carry it. As far as gameplay goes. I did not see it anywhere other than the dark arts classroom.

[rotund mulch]

ohhh, Im sorry i just joined the discord like 2 minutes ago. I wasnt aware of the rest of the conversation, its in the dark arts classroom?! im watching the new gameplay footage now, im like 3 min in.

[brave echo]

No problem. Yes the evil charm is at the entrance and inside the dark arts classroom to the right as shown in the screenshot.

[rotund mulch]

oh wow! now i see. Thats pretty neat

[worthy trench]

Apparently the Evil Eye goes back 5000 years but no source on that.

[thorny niche]

My friend told me to hang* it on or near the front door, but I do have another who wears it as a bracelet.

[craggy moon]

if i remember correctly they are used to detect dark wizards

[brave echo]

In that case , if you take the evil route and perform the unforgivable spells in the game . Will it detect you as a dark wizard ?

[remote dragon]

We don't know what time that rule was brought in, it might not be in affect

[stuck epoch]

What rule? The unforgivable curses are unforgivable at the time of hl and you are a dark wizard if you practice dark magic

[craggy moon]

[modern moth]

Plan

1. First Play through as me as a person in Hogwarts #hufflepuff
2. Play as a Dark Gryffindor
3. Play as a good Slytherin

[keen bone]

Imagine playing Slytherin and have a friendship with someone from Hufflepuff

That would be an interesting outcome

[unkempt dove]

Wait, that was my plan! How do you know my plan?

[modern moth]

Because we are hufflepuffs!

[tiny lance]

My plan is

1. Play as actually me and what I would choose
   2.Play as me evil/good
2. Do the other houses for trophies if needed

[modern moth]

It’s a good plan

[vivid owl]

The unofficial rule of Slytherin is find your Hufflepuff, claim them, and don't let them go. lol.

[modern moth]

runs and hides

[vivid owl]

Best of luck

[primal frigate]

My plan: Dark magic. Flawless.

It's just a fascinating concept.

What truly is the between light and dark? Dark magic is cast by negative emotions often, light is positive. Why though?

What is magic?! Can it truly be considered being?!

Ahem.

Sorry.

[stuck epoch]

dark magic=created with "evil" intent
light magic=created with "good" intent
probably

[spiral summit]

Chores magic : created with bored intent

[ancient lark]

What’s evil, unethical, what’s ethical, moral, what’s moral

But I might be pushing it

Can’t tell

[stuck epoch]

generally its evil to harm/abuse others

[ancient lark]

That’s the problem

Generally

[stuck epoch]

ethical is something different thats just the concept of what society likes/dislikes

and moral is something personal

[ancient lark]

I see

[stuck epoch]

and the thing about the generally is: its considered evil by the absolute majority then it is evil

[ancient lark]

Is it evil for an animal to kill another?

Not a human

[stuck epoch]

no

cause animals really have that kinda sense of good and evil

[ancient lark]

Is it because they do it to survive

[stuck epoch]

i mean is it wrong to kill an animal to eat it? no
is it wrong to kill and animal just cause? kinda

[stuck epoch]

yes

[ancient lark]

Hmmm I’m thinking maybe feelings have to be involved in a way

But it’s just a thought I just had

[stuck epoch]

what kinda feelings?

[ancient lark]

Like anger for example. Maybe greed