💬general

[hollow breach]

Song playing rn is one of my favorites

[digital slate]

im nearly done

tryna be quick and i’m just burning my mouth

[hollow breach]

I went to see them live in Montreal in October, almost cried like 4 times

Screw it I'm restarting this song cause I love it so much lmao

[misty egret]

It says join via desktop app

[hollow breach]

yah you need the desktop app to join Spotify on Discord

[digital slate]

ah nvm

[misty egret]

Lel

[hollow breach]

or phone

[digital slate]

im on mobile

[hollow breach]

Phone should work

[digital slate]

i’ll let you know in a mo

[misty egret]

It lets u play the playlist but not listen exact

[hollow breach]

Weird, all my friends could listen on mobile

[digital slate]

fav genres ?

both of yous

[hollow breach]

hol up, I'll share my spotify wrapped

[wind cairn]

i should ask my friends who likes country and then block all those who admit to it

[digital slate]

mine was good but it doesn’t represent my typical vibe

it’s just I listen to the same songs over and over

[misty egret]

A genre i like to call anything highkey depressing

[digital slate]

love that, i’ll send you some recs

[hollow breach]

Well, my top artist for like the 4th year was hippo campus, which is indie rock

[misty egret]

Is that what it is

Cause they just throwin in whatever here

[hollow breach]

but like I got Powfu in there too, Tai Verdes, Nic D, Harry Styles, some rap, and stuff

[hollow breach]

que?

[misty egret]

Lp3

[hollow breach]

Yeah LP3 is hippo campus and it's indie rock

if you listened to it so far

My fav from that album are well, all of them really

[misty egret]

Theres alot going on. Like alot at the same time

[hollow breach]

Which one you listening to? Blew Its?

Cause that would make sense

[digital slate]

johnny cash made it on my top 5 this year

[misty egret]

2 young 2 die is done now im on blew its

[hollow breach]

Blew Its is very weird

well, weirder than others

[digital slate]

I used to be big into indie, went to a few festivals and stuff

[misty egret]

Ok so u like old things chloe glad we cleared that up😉

[hollow breach]

Calm down leavil

[digital slate]

oh always

[hollow breach]

Keep your pants up

[misty egret]

No

[hollow breach]

aight gotta put on some warmer pants, its time to take the one eyed dog out

[digital slate]

cyclops dog

[misty egret]

Is he talking about n actual dog?

[hollow breach]

Yah

My dog is a rescue

[digital slate]

love that

[hollow breach]

He's missing an eye from living on the streets for months

[digital slate]

I had a rescue dog once, only briefly though

[misty egret]

Oh ok cause like i thought u might have gotten some wierd fetishes

[digital slate]

went badly

[hollow breach]

Nah, my fetishes are very normal

[digital slate]

just pulls out an old bad taxidermy

[misty egret]

Normal fetishes arnt fetishes

They are preferences

[digital slate]

very true

[hollow breach]

I call it normal

[misty egret]

Ya a preference

[hollow breach]

It's part of the norm, it's normal

[digital slate]

oh for sure

[misty egret]

Thats like not even scratching the basics

[hollow breach]

I'm well aware

But I'm not gonna discuss my sexual preferences in that Discord full of kids

[digital slate]

true

we have separate ones for that

[misty egret]

Nobody wants to know

[rich kayak]

Kinda of a weird topic for general chat on here.

[hollow breach]

That's why I'm straying from it lmao

Missed a NOT here

[misty egret]

Lmao

[hollow breach]

Very important

[misty egret]

Your music is wierd btw

[hollow breach]

I'm okay with that

I still love it and mostly everyone I've showed it to loves it too

[digital slate]

mines super weird

[misty egret]

Theres tomuch going on for me. But its not bad

I like the one im on now its called semi pro

[hollow breach]

Yah it's one of my favorite

I love it a lot

Aight doggo time, ttyl

[digital slate]

enjoy

[misty egret]

Bye

[digital slate]

i’ve lost my earphones i’m fuming

[misty egret]

Are they pods

[digital slate]

yeeeh

well close enough

[misty egret]

I got wires. Because i know me

[hollow breach]

I lost my earbuds charger case

[digital slate]

I did but I broke them 🥲

[hollow breach]

And by lost I mean it's in my bedroom somewhere around my bed

[digital slate]

mine are around the bed they have to be

im going insane I literally had them on the bed earlier

[misty egret]

Did u put them in going out

[digital slate]

nah defo on the bed

[hollow breach]

Ordered myself some McDonald's

[flat wraith]

we know

[cobalt surge]

What did you get??

[flat wraith]

Burger with no buns

[digital slate]

you’d love my music

[flat wraith]

I only listen to country

[digital slate]

we both know that’s a lie

[flat wraith]

[amber mango]

I feel like if there's a task I have to complete, it's best to set a reward for myself after completion that acts as motivation to complete the task.

Random thoughts

[frozen blaze]

hi

[cold sierra]

Hi

[safe tendon]

solicitation isn't allowed on this server

[pale mountain]

oh ok my bad

i didn’t know

[safe tendon]

appreciate your understanding

[grim herald]

they ever put out a release date on this?

[cobalt surge]

On the game?

[balmy lion]

The games release date has been Feb 10th for months now

[cobalt surge]

February 10th for the standard version, Deluxe, and collectors edition get 72-hour early access, so the game is released on February 7th for those who purchased.

[inland moth]

how is hogwarts legacy nominated for a 2022 title on steam when its not out yet? literally dont male sense cause every other game i seen in a screenshow was out already.

*make not male

[humble sequoia]

Ugh... Evening everyone.

[winged venture]

Morning Topaz! 🌅 🌆

[humble sequoia]

Evening Gamingo. How be you?

[winged venture]

I'm good, how about you?

[humble sequoia]

I'm alright, just trying to decide whether or not I want to play Modern WoW anymore since all the members of my RP Guild are gone, I don't enjoy the leveling ect ect.

[red moat]

‘Most-anticipated game’ is an award

[winged venture]

hmm

[humble sequoia]

Hey, some of us can't exactly live with doing absolutely nothing but playing the new Pokemon Games. Some people need more than just Pokemon.

[twin tartan]

hii

[blazing wren]

Hi

[hasty junco]

Hiii

[dim scroll]

[inland jolt]

[torpid smelt]

people do??? but Pokémon is my life...

[hexed shore]

Says the Pokémon mod

I actually need to get playing it again

[dim scroll]

Omg Travis Perkins

[inland jolt]

[dim scroll]

[heady cape]

Just 2 months left❤️

[sudden ledge]

2 months that feel like 2 years

[inland jolt]

Facts

Still waiting for hytale aswell

[sudden ledge]

noooo why did you have to remind me

[inland jolt]

The wait is killing me

[turbid apex]

Hello dwarfs, giants and anything in between

[modest onyx]

[dim scroll]

I can do it faster if you like

[inland jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

Epic embed fail

[modest onyx]

[dim scroll]

Good job Trav

[dim scroll]

[inland jolt]

Leave it out

[modest onyx]

Wow, and you're a Hufflepuff

@dim scroll

[inland jolt]

He's the meanest Hufflepuff there is

[modest onyx]

LOL

[dim scroll]

Love you too buddy

[dim scroll]

You're damn straight

Gotta have a few black sheep ain't we

[inland jolt]

🧐

[modest onyx]

[narrow smelt]

I come in and Hufflepuffs are stabbing people

[modest onyx]

LOL I KNOW RIGHT

[dim scroll]

It's in my British DNA

[narrow smelt]

Okay, that's fair.

[modest onyx]

Blame it on my genes

Imma use that card in the future

[inland jolt]

It's not in my British DNA but I'm from a good area unlike some

[modest onyx]

[dim scroll]

You're closer to the main source of the problem than me what you mean

[modest onyx]

What's the main source of the problem

[dim scroll]

London

[modest onyx]

I see

[inland jolt]

Closer don't mean nothing mate still live in a good area

Good area for British standard anyway

[dim scroll]

We both know mines alot worse anyway

[modest onyx]

[chilly mason]

[modest onyx]

[fresh quail]

Yo here’s one for y’all

What house would Wednesday Addams be in?

Slap your comments below or react with the house under it

[modest onyx]

[narrow smelt]

Hmm... Ravenclaw?

[fresh quail]

I was going to say ravenclaw too

Nah she’s cannon in Harry Potter

She’s snape’s daughter 😆

[wind cairn]

"I admire their sadism"

she's slytherin

[dim scroll]

fax

[turbid apex]

I say she never went to Hogwarts, she is a Muggle

[fresh quail]

Yeah I rate this!

Could possibly be a Uhm what’s the half ones called? What filch is

Mind blanking right now

[turbid apex]

Squib?

[fresh quail]

YES

Haha sorry I’ve got warhammer 40k lore in my head and was going to call her and Filch a Blank 😆

[narrow smelt]

If Filch was a Blank, that would certainly bring some interesting stuff to the HP universe

[fresh quail]

Yeh no joke ahhaha

Comes from the ecclisarchy

[warm acorn]

any news on switch release date?

[turbid apex]

The news is that there is no news

[warm acorn]

of course

[misty egret]

Goodafternoon

[twin halo]

Our unis team, titans got disqualified for being too bad

[hexed shore]

LMAO

[balmy lion]

Oof

[marble star]

Expected 💯

[hexed shore]

Most of the OW team are anywhere from Platinum - Grand master depending on which string youre in so its not awful

[balmy lion]

Me over here being a silver tank

[hexed shore]

My personal account is in Bronze 5 because of the glitch when OW2 released, but my uni one is in High Plat so im not the best on the team by any stretch

[stuck meteor]

Im unranked

[balmy lion]

Stop flexing

[hexed shore]

Siege i am just bad at

[marble star]

Aren't we all swift

[hexed shore]

Give me guns with as little recoil as you can ❤️

[twin halo]

Same

[hexed shore]

IQ and Kapkan only

[stuck meteor]

My Brother is good in Siege

[twin halo]

Give me Kriss Vector

[dim scroll]

OW

[hexed shore]

LMAO

[balmy lion]

Seige is just meh. I don’t like the fact that if you are seen you die bacially.

[stuck meteor]

I play to much The Crew 2

[hexed shore]

Also Croak I promise esports society isnt the worst thing in the world. Most of them are actually normal dudes who play games.

The Videogame society is the weirdos that you look out for

[twin halo]

I play with my emotions, we are not the same

[hexed shore]

We actually have a 5 aside football team in the esports team

[marble star]

Idk peacey, I once fell off the roof bc I wasn't looking where I was going 🤷🏻‍♀️
Nobody saw me yet I was out

[stuck meteor]

The Worst Community in Videogames
League of Legends

[twin halo]

We have LOLSOC

[dim scroll]

Good to know
My brief time within the UK esports scene was an awful experience

[hexed shore]

I agree Robin

YEAH HAHA if you go into it generally nahh

[twin halo]

There is a very small Irish Esports scene

[hexed shore]

Our team has sponsorship by redbull for the Valorant guys but they distribute it

[dim scroll]

Well I was specialising in Valo

[hexed shore]

SEE that makes sense

[stuck meteor]

I got "brutally" insulted when i Played LoL for the first Time
I'll never Touch this Game again

[hexed shore]

Comp valo is

yes

[dim scroll]

Yeah tell me about it

Anyway work meeting I'll be back 😎

[hexed shore]

Have a good one!

[nova gazelle]

I don’t think I could focus on uni and be good at videogames at the same time. ||I don’t think I could be good at videogames||

[twin halo]

I like games that I can just not concentrate

[hexed shore]

I have just reinstalled Stardew haha

[twin halo]

I like mindless fun

[twin halo]

The best game ever made

[stuck meteor]

Valorant

[twin halo]

There's like four things I always want to do

1. Eat
2. Rest
3. Listen to talking heads
4. Play Stardew

[hexed shore]

Valorant I have installed but am v bad at

I keep moving / strafing as its not cover based but the game penalises you SO much for moving & shooting

[abstract haven]

eat, sleep, rave repeat

[twin halo]

Standing still in a gun fight is not natural

[stuck meteor]

I can only run and gun
Not a good idea in Valorant

[hexed shore]

You kinda have to awkwardly stand at wide open entrances

[twin halo]

Me holding doors open

[stuck meteor]

If u do this in RL
Good Night

[safe tendon]

and probably arrested

[hexed shore]

now i wanna go play OW

True Chaos

[twin halo]

You can't arrest me

[stuck meteor]

Same
But gotta play Divine Knockout

[safe tendon]

why not sir Onion

[hexed shore]

Im gonna finish this section of an essay then go and die in quickplay

[twin halo]

Chaos, you can't arrest me. I'm listening to freebird

[twin halo]

What's the essay on

[stuck meteor]

Good Plan

[balmy lion]

Ramattra>>>>>>

[hexed shore]

Grassroot marketing and its impact on consumer behaviour

[stuck meteor]

Bastion>>>>>

[hexed shore]

DPS Moira >>>>

[twin halo]

I have a good source for you

[balmy lion]

Bastion plus Ramattra SHEILD>>>>>>>>>>

[stuck meteor]

Moira + Lucio is sooooo goddamn overpowerd

[marble star]

Groot?

[twin halo]

Swift look at Uses and Gratifications theory you might find something interesting

[balmy lion]

Only if they can actually heal. I hate them so much because I am tank and need the heals

[hexed shore]

oooo

I shall look

[stuck meteor]

Swift 🙂 DO U R ESSAY

[hexed shore]

I am usually ultra heal moira who only dps to gain back the HEAL METRE

OK

I GO

[twin halo]

No chance

[hexed shore]

as she should be played

[stuck meteor]

[safe tendon]

poor swifty, got these folks tellin ya do ya homework now

[balmy lion]

YES

[hexed shore]

Still not a real adult

[balmy lion]

HOMEWORK>>>>>>>>>>

[safe tendon]

I'll take that

once you outta uni, its called work

[balmy lion]

What’s an adult idk what that is

[safe tendon]

and you can't do it from home normally 😛

[twin halo]

I've never worked a day in my life

I've always loved my job

Journalism -> Radio technician -> Sound engineer

[safe tendon]

wise decision, get into something you naturally love, you'll never work a day in your life

[twin halo]

The pay is an added bonus

[balmy lion]

No money > enjoyment

[twin halo]

I am very happy in my position

[hexed shore]

Just marry rich

[narrow smelt]

Makes a huge difference for your mental health, having a job you actually like

[balmy lion]

Can’t say the same thing.

[twin halo]

Not an option for men sorry

[safe tendon]

yeah that's kinda a one way street

wouldn't advise that 😛

[hexed shore]

[balmy lion]

Actually…

[twin halo]

And Rich isn't a very common woman's name

[hexed shore]

You got me there

[narrow smelt]

😂

[stuck meteor]

[balmy lion]

My mom makes almost twice as much as my dad soooo..

[narrow smelt]

I know a Richarda

[twin halo]

I make two times as much as my dad too

I'm about to high five your mother

[hexed shore]

Haha my mom is the same Peacey, but definitely depends on the industry usually

[twin halo]

I'm a sound engineer for a big radio station so I make the big bucks

[balmy lion]

My mom hates her job. Because Covid really hurt it

[twin halo]

What industry is she in could I ask?

[safe tendon]

bout to ban you, you got all that going on and never invited me as a guest?

I can entertain your audience

[twin halo]

Chaos I've given you my autograph

[hexed shore]

My moms job has been her job since she was 19, never looked away from it. I dont have that kinda passion but I do love the industry I wanna go into

[balmy lion]

Pharmaceutical science

[safe tendon]

this is true

[wind cairn]

I dono, if some rich guy with one foot already in the grave asks me to marry him, why the hell not

[twin halo]

Pharma has always been tough

[twin halo]

Same malus

[hexed shore]

[abstract haven]

heck even if you think it will take 20 years its still worth the wedding

[wind cairn]

right?

[balmy lion]

Especially when 2 of your techs call out. Your co worker quits with no notice and your building is merging with another building causing you to do double the ammount of work.

[wind cairn]

living in the lap of luxury, and knowing u will inherit a fortune, god i can think of worse outcomes

[twin halo]

Sounds like hell

[abstract haven]

20 years of being arm candy for like 60 years of being rich and finding your own arm candy

[balmy lion]

Currently it is. Ima have to go work for her soon. She is that desperate

[hexed shore]

Last job I worked was entirely from home just doing meetings, and website analysis

was a dream but v boring

[stuck meteor]

[abstract haven]

the only tricky bit will be the intimate times but alcohol will do a lot for that

[hexed shore]

But I worked it part time alongside another retail job

[twin halo]

My job is very in the field. I go in the radio truck

[wind cairn]

Im not selfish, if he's leaving me a few million, im gonna treat him right

[twin halo]

There is very little I wouldn't do for that much money

[wind cairn]

exactly

[brazen bolt]

It's all about personality anyways.

[abstract haven]

I dont know what would be worse... finding out you like it or not liking it

[hexed shore]

No more

of that

[abstract haven]

in our defence we are actually using general chat for gen chat reasons

[wind cairn]

they say money cant buy happiness but i would rather be crying in a rolls-royce than on a bicycle

[hexed shore]

Keep PG, and yes you are indeed

[abstract haven]

thats why we are being cautious with how we describe it

[balmy lion]

Poopy

[balmy lion]

Nu I’m not pg I’m older then 13

[stuck meteor]

💯

[balmy lion]

Why PG if movie is PG-13

Fr crying rn

[hexed shore]

Need to be guided by parents

[abstract haven]

their parents say worse

[stuck meteor]

[unkempt solar]

So much AI art in the art channel

[stuck meteor]

AI Art is Art

[abstract haven]

human art is dead

[wind cairn]

While i absolutely love some of the AI art i've seen, i dont classify it the same as artists pouring their heart and souls in their projects

clicking a button to get instant works of art feels a bit like cheating on a test, yes the results are great... but it dont feel right

just IMO tho

[unkempt solar]

I’m so sorry… are you an artist?

[stuck meteor]

No

But it is still art

I dont like Ai Art but it is

[unkempt solar]

It’s a computer generated image. Very much not art

Especially if it’s taken from other peoples work without their permission

The difference between AI art and actual art is that actual art uses images as inspiration. The AI engine uses it as material.

As an artist I cannot post my work on most social platforms because of the very real possibility someone will feed it into an engine and resell it as “their” art. I’m tired of it, honestly

[hexed shore]

Also AI art uses traditional art as a base

Without traditional art, AI art would not exist

[abstract haven]

The art industry was already a bloody mess of a lottery, now you just have weird art in the mix

[unkempt solar]

This!!

[hexed shore]

I honestly think nothing technology can replace the human mind and vision. We can only do so much with technology, but a lot will give uncanny valley feelings

[flat wraith]

That’s how the models train. Typing in the keywords just combines a few of the related images in a way that would make sense. Which most times you’ll find there’s something off

But in a few years it’ll be near perfect

[unkempt solar]

God I hope not.

[flat wraith]

Perfect in the sense it’ll learn better from already existing art, which is still the base art that artists are creating

[abstract haven]

as a computer project its very fascinating to see AI doing this, for any artists it must look like ragnarok

[flat wraith]

Wait till they start putting neuralink chips in brain

[unkempt solar]

Quite literally yes

[flat wraith]

Yea basically

[unkempt solar]

Dead people’s art is being stolen and regenerated times over and resold for profit

[hexed shore]

That it is

[unkempt solar]

Literally just let them rest

[hexed shore]

One of my favourite artists has been incorporated into an AI art system despite passing not too long ago

[unkempt solar]

Two of mine here.

[hexed shore]

Hopefully as it becomes popular, rules and regulations will be implemented

AI is kind of a blank do whatever field rn

[abstract haven]

thats happened for years even before the AI got involved

[unkempt solar]

Yeah, especially with that one Chinese engine that literally has a rule that they own whatever pictures are entered into the AI

[hexed shore]

Oh absolutely, thankfully with pure art it can be taken down for copyright and stuff, but AI art changes it enough to be not identical and harder to differentiate

[abstract haven]

the government wont care for AI art, it will be the industry itself that will make the rules

[hexed shore]

I think... So I use AI art as part of my degree

It is very useful for content creation

I dont have to go out and create projects for clients, but I think also graphic designers will always do better

[abstract haven]

there will come a time where graphic designers will put keywords into an AI and keep creating new pieces until they find one the client will like

[unkempt solar]

AI was better when it was just funny prompts into an engine. Whoever made it so that you could run artworks into the engine? Jail time.

[hexed shore]

Yeah professional engines will be heavily monetised

[abstract haven]

AI will only get more advanced as time goes on

[humble sequoia]

Hm

[hexed shore]

Its similar how I have analytics programmes that do all the work for me, and can also evaluate competitors' work, so I dont have to do anything. But it is thousands of dollars

[abstract haven]

never sentient (hopefully) but more useful for every industry

[dim scroll]

^ this

[unkempt solar]

I hate being an artist sometimes

[hexed shore]

Value of authentic art is always gonna be higher than AI

[abstract haven]

it wasnt the smartest career path

[abstract haven]

until you cant tell them apart

[hexed shore]

It is purely unique while AI is created off existing works

[dim scroll]

I can monitor a competitors marketing efforts manually, or I can have something give me a drill down of it on a regular basis for a fee you know

[hexed shore]

Like you can do it for free a few times a day even with SEMRUSH

[unkempt solar]

No it really wasn’t. In hindsight, being able to draw fictional characters pales in comparison to making bank by being a lawyer and drawing in my free time

[abstract haven]

IDK about being purely unique as you still have to draw in a style

[turbid apex]

Lets do a competiton AI vs Human, I give you my wizarding world profile picture and the better result wins. Thats not just because I want a cool profil picture for free.

[hexed shore]

definitely not just wnating a pfp for free

nooooot at all

[unkempt solar]

Every artist draws inspiration from other sources to make their own artstyle.

[flat wraith]

Meanwhile my AI model can’t differentiate between a dog and a cookie

[dim scroll]

PRAISE SEMRUSH

[unkempt solar]

Let’s… not

[hexed shore]

SEMRUSH THE GOAT

[dim scroll]

too bad work wont pay for it

[hexed shore]

when the company wont give me access to their G analytics

GOD BLESS

[abstract haven]

and whats the difference (the true difference) between that and what an AI does

[hexed shore]

savior

[dim scroll]

they pay for my adobe subscription though

[unkempt solar]

The AI compiles images. It doesn’t have actual human creativity.

[hexed shore]

See i do things i cannot speak of in this server for adobe

[abstract haven]

no but it doesnt need it

a human compiles images in their head

[dim scroll]

same, but then I conviced work I needed everything adobe for work. When really I just wanted prem pro, AE and PS for my own brand

[hexed shore]

the corporate life

[unkempt solar]

It’s super unfortunate because most people will just use AI engines of stolen artwork instead of actually commissioning artists

Or learning to draw themselves.

[hexed shore]

Honestly marketing 90% of the time is you going this needs to be changed and then just being told lol no i like it sorry

[flat wraith]

AI already going for the jobs

[hexed shore]

Doesnt matter what the DATA SAYS

[abstract haven]

The world economy needs to change in the next 100 years because there wont be jobs to do

[unkempt solar]

I chose the wrong career path fr

[dim scroll]

I really wish I did proper marketing man.
The company I work for seriously have 0 idea and still use a 3rd party to do their email campaigns

[hexed shore]

Tech is likely going to replace a lot of jobs but then comes the jobs to upkeep the AI and keep it fresh

[flat wraith]

It’ll change we’ll be underwater by then

[abstract haven]

its never too late

[hexed shore]

Just stick a template in Mailchimp, youll be fineeee

[abstract haven]

nah mate we'll live on ships

[flat wraith]

🏴‍☠️

[unkempt solar]

I’ve only applied to art colleges, and I go to an art centered high school

[abstract haven]

it will be like mortal engines but in the water

[flat wraith]

Yea kinda like raft

[unkempt solar]

I love drawing but I hate the community sometimes

[hexed shore]

I will be real, sometimes it is cheaper to pay for expertise in people than it is to pay for some of these programmes so youll be fine lol

[abstract haven]

you can apply for a different college next year and learn what you need to in the interim

[dim scroll]

oh I know how to use MailChimp
but my manager refuses to let go of this thirdparty

(even after I finished my apprenticeship with a distinction )

[hexed shore]

My company pays my wage + in subs

[abstract haven]

for now

[unkempt solar]

I don’t want to, that’s the thing. I love what I do, but I’m so afraid the current climate of the art community will drastically change and I won’t be able to make a living wage

[flat wraith]

Like a sandwich sub? Here ur money for the month and of dont forget ur italian sub

[shy cradle]

Define human creativity then. Cus it sounds a lot like what computers do.

[hexed shore]

Ill be real the only industries that wont change is death & taxes

We're all in for a ride the next 20 years

[dim scroll]

they pay me pittance atm, but wage review next week before we finish for the year

[abstract haven]

look it up. the art industry is one of the most toxic places on earth, if you want to do art so bad then make sure you specialise in movie arts and cgi

[hexed shore]

Uk pay is wildly low compared to what my partner earns in a US company

[chilly mason]

I just wanna say about AI art here, that the AI art is a whole different category then what normal artists do. AI artists play around with words, the art is the prompt the img is the result and just so you know your prompt is good. the AI only uses the imgs as references to learn different words such as what a cat is and how it looks like. without those databases the AI can't do anything. We as humans also use a lot of imgs and sounds as references and "inspirations" the same way the AI does. an AI generate an img from white noice, and gives us way more options then what a human can think of in a limited amount of time. I do not think AI will replace people in their jobs, yes certain jobs will "suffer" from text2img AIs for example, but overall AI and human will always work together. nobody really wants a subconscious AI we all know that will go wrong.

[abstract haven]

otherwise your likely to be broke for the rest of your life

[chilly mason]

yes they will, you be surprised how many artists AIs use in their workflow

[unkempt solar]

A human can draw a circle or a line without needing to have images already put in place for reference.

[dim scroll]

I've been promised decent pay, but then I came back with, well I know what I should be earning cause im not stupid

[chilly mason]

yes we need that, how do you know what a circle is then?

[hexed shore]

give us liveable wage plz

[abstract haven]

how do you know what a circle and a line is without seeing it?

[chilly mason]

if you don't ever have seen a circle before how do you know you're drawing a circle?

[unkempt solar]

I’m saying picking up a pencil and scribbling is something a computer cannot do.

[abstract haven]

thats all computers could do until recently

now its proper fancy shizz

[shy cradle]

What? If you haven't learned what a circle is, how would you be able to draw one when prompted to?

Do you mean draw one randomly?

[chilly mason]

a normal computer maybe not, but a robot with a computer in it will be able to just that

[dim scroll]

imagine

Thankfully my Mrs is on a decent whack or I'd still be living with my parents at my ripe old age of 29

[hexed shore]

Authentic art still looks different from AI art, its no where near perfect yet unless you pay insane amounts of money

[unkempt solar]

The way you guys cannot comprehend my meaning is astounding.

[abstract haven]

it will get cheeper as its used more often

[chilly mason]

nope, with SD you often can't see the difference between human art and AI art

[unkempt solar]

I’m not prompted to because I’m not a computer, dude.

[chilly mason]

Stable Diffusion is open source and free to use

[undone quail]

https://punkt.krimielu.ee/index.php?kutsuja=1359 come join to game.

[chilly mason]

and better then MJ imo

[abstract haven]

the human brain works like a computer, thats what we based it off

[hexed shore]

SD still has things off with it, eye positioning, if you ask it for glasses it will often do two types, things are wonky etc, still not perfect

It may eventually become scarily so but that time isnt now

[unkempt solar]

I think what you meant to say is a computer works like a human brain.

[abstract haven]

yeah that

[undone quail]

https://punkt.krimielu.ee/index.php?kutsuja=1359 later come to english version this game, mby 1 week or 2 week.

[hexed shore]

Seeeeeeeeeeee, the brain and a computer function very differently BUT I see what you mean, we have the computational model of human behaviour and stuff, but there are many branches of science that shows we're very separate

[abstract haven]

just go into movie/tv/theater art and you'll be fine

[unkempt solar]

Years of work and dedication to an art career only to have it all fed into a machine and called someone else’s art? I don’t want that to happen any more than it is.

That’s my point.

[chilly mason]

AI works in a similar way a human brain functions, they both take references from the past (for Ai it is their database, for human it their memory).

[unkempt solar]

I spend three years improving my personal drawing skills and then someone else essentially steals it?

[hexed shore]

I do agree that AI needs permission to take art and integrate it into their systems. Its unethical at present

[chilly mason]

sure you can have that point and I respect you for having it, but this doesn't mean that people will stop using AI

[abstract haven]

technically it wont be copied and pasted and will be extremely hard to tell that it was your work in small part

[chilly mason]

.

[shy cradle]

I agree. Any artist that have learned by watching other peoples art should be labeled as ai.

[unkempt solar]

My art style is a culmination of all the techniques and my own personal preferences I picked up over the years. Giving it to a machine is something I don’t want happening at all.

[abstract haven]

then humans also need permission to take inspiration from other artists

[hexed shore]

Especially if it is going to be used for commercial reasons

It is different if you are drawing something original versus mashing images together to create something. While we may rely of memories and inspo, we also create it organically. You cant use tracing in commercial art for example

[unkempt solar]

I don’t want AI to be eradicated from the face of the earth or whatever, I just want it to be regulated much more.

I cannot tell you how disrespectful it is to steal a dead man’s work and sell it.

[chilly mason]

yes but at the other hand consider this, isn't it more terrifying to know that an AI can create imgs in a similar style as an artist that doesn't have any imgs in their database? this will be possible, we won't be able to use like "in style of x artist" but we will have workaround to mimic the same style even without any img or art from that artist.

[abstract haven]

poor Van Gogh his whole works were stolen from him and sold for millions after he died

[unkempt solar]

I know, it’s horrible

[hexed shore]

As long as it does not use images it doesnt have permission for. Art theft is never okay regardless if its by human or technology

Which is why the british museums get so much flack

[unkempt solar]

I cannot stress this enough

[abstract haven]

we own that shizz by right of conquest and no takies backies

[hexed shore]

bruh

[winged venture]

yo

[hexed shore]

Put that one pillar we took from Greece backkkk

[unkempt solar]

If you wanna make your own AI of your own work, you do you. Idc. It’s your work and I don’t care what you do with it. But taking someone else’s work is like 20 steps too far.

[abstract haven]

but its our british pillar now

[hexed shore]

[sour ore]

Sup all

[hexed shore]

Hey Nody!

[sour ore]

How's everyone doing today?

[cobalt surge]

Heyo

[abstract haven]

we've had it longer then greece has been a country

[unkempt solar]

Not bad, considering.

[sour ore]

Heya swift

[unkempt solar]

I recently compiled a few artworks of a character to showcase improvement over the years and im pretty proud

[sour ore]

finally ordered elgator capture card, it was due to arrive today but amazon, delayed it ._.

[dim scroll]

which one you get

[wind cairn]

gator capture isnt a good idea

[chilly mason]

then it isn't really the AI that is the problem but the copy right problems and then everyone can easily do it without any form of "punishment" this is for a very long time now, even from before the "rise" of AI humans have been steeling movies and imgs. I am not saying this justifies from what AI are using in their database. but I am just pointing out that people don't need to hate/fear AI cuz they steal other people's work. also you can not copy right styles.

[sour ore]

hd60 s+

[abstract haven]

TBH I really couldnt care less about whats in a museum, its nice to look at and learn the history of it but you can learn about the item anywhere

[dim scroll]

noice!!

[hexed shore]

Yeah I think it is one of those instances where cant say "because they did it it is fine", but hopefully AI becomes a part of the workflow stream that aids us in increasing productivity and making work easier, and not a complete replacement for human work

[unkempt solar]

Oh but the thing is I DO need to fear AI because people might take my work and give it to a machine without my permission!

[sour ore]

yep really excited for it !

[dim scroll]

can't go wrong with Elgato! got a bunch of their stuff and it's never failed me

[unkempt solar]

As long as AI is unregulated, it is a very genuine fear.

[turbid apex]

If an AI uses propably thousands of reference points, can you really say it took someones specific work?

[chilly mason]

yes? that's what In am saying if copyright laws where better implemented and better regulated from the start we wouldn't be here where we are now with AIs.

[hexed shore]

If you are one of those reference points, it is still basing something off of your work without permission. There are likely quite a few artists who would accept AI using their art in return for monetary payment etc

[abstract haven]

theres a very small chance that the goverment will care to regulate it itself beyond making sure people cant deepfake po**

[boreal bane]

hiiiii

[flat wraith]

Yes

[unkempt solar]

This.

[hexed shore]

Hiii Nym!

[boreal bane]

hiiii

[hexed shore]

I need to head to my university soon, have free pizza being served

[abstract haven]

mail me some

[chilly mason]

AIs don't copy other their works, they only copy their styles. you can not coyright styles by the law.

[unkempt solar]

O shoot book it bro

[dim scroll]

ill take some of your hands pls ty

[flat wraith]

We getting free leftover mexican food served

[unkempt solar]

[turbid apex]

If a human looks at pictures and later replicates them its also theft. As humans take most of their impressions from looking at something, any piece of Art was stolen over the years

[wind cairn]

Pineapple pizza right?

[hexed shore]

Always.

[boreal bane]

....

[chilly mason]

this

[dim scroll]

pizza is pizza

[turbid apex]

So what is the difference now, if an AI takes what it sees, and a human taking what it sees?

[unkempt solar]

Hmm. Are you referring to tracing and reposting or using references?

[boreal bane]

pineapple in pizza is the devil

[hexed shore]

I think it is different taking inspo and taking someones art and purposefully plugging it into a programme

[flat wraith]

AI ethics is a field of study who tries to balance exactly this kinda stuff

[hexed shore]

Yeah AI ethics is its own field, its probably a super complex topic to wade around

[wind cairn]

rather the devil you know than the devil you dont

[chilly mason]

https://www.artslaw.com.au/article/i-like-your-style-part-i-copyright-infringement-or-not/

[abstract haven]

you can always try the old fashioned way of going to a rich man and asking them to sponsor you. Just be prepaired to work at the whims of another

[turbid apex]

@unkempt solar Your brain does exactly that to have references. You look at something and your mind automatically traces every line to a complete picture.

[unkempt solar]

You would be somewhat surprised to find that tracing art and posting it as your own is very frowned upon in the art community.

[hexed shore]

if I cant plagiarise all my uni essays

i wont let anyone or anything else

[abstract haven]

there are AI you can use

[unkempt solar]

Actually, that’s not what using a reference means

[abstract haven]

the teachers will never know

[hexed shore]

Nah you can still get done for academic integrity breaches

[boreal bane]

🧐

[abstract haven]

only if they find out

[unkempt solar]

When you want to draw something, you look at a picture differently. It’s scientifically proven

[abstract haven]

study link?

[wind cairn]

You remind me of this italian i knew, we had such fun together 🙂

[sour ore]

Btw guys, #💡discord-suggestions is right place for suggesting something right?

[hexed shore]

Yes!

[unkempt solar]

Artists will use the shapes composited in the picture to create something similar, called a study usually, they don’t actively recreate the picture exactly. They sort of turn it into their own work.

[chilly mason]

for discord server

[turbid apex]

No study link needed. Of course you look different at something depending on the intention.

[abstract haven]

for discord yeah

[hexed shore]

Also i appreciate the discussion, I think it is interesting and it was kept really civil and constructive, but I gotta GO get my pizza

[boreal bane]

i'm italian too!

[sour ore]

thank you! just made a small suggestion.

[abstract haven]

show us the paper

[wind cairn]

Oh you and me are gonna be suuuuch good friends !

🙂

[boreal bane]

you are going to eat pineapple pizza
we are not the same

[hexed shore]

pineapple pizza for lyf

[sour ore]

Merry, I have small query I need an update on, can I dm you?

[abstract haven]

you eat pineapple on pizza, I eat pizza on pineapple.
We are not the same

[turbid apex]

@unkempt solar An AI does not either. It takes many different reference points and completes them to a picture. It will never spit out a 1 to 1 copy, unless its told to

[hexed shore]

Sure, you can call me Swift btw, just DM me and I can answer as Im walking!

[boreal bane]

penpinappleapplepen

[chilly mason]

yes same, but I often find it difficult to stay calm in this dicussion. definitely cuz I had this one more then once now, and often people have the same explanation. it's the copyright that bothers them not so much the AI itself.

[sour ore]

thank you Swift

[abstract haven]

I have a pen, I have PINEAPPLE

[hexed shore]

APPLE PEN

[chilly mason]

I love pineapple on pizza

[abstract haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct6BUPvE2sM

[unkempt solar]

https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/why-is-it-so-hard-to-draw-from-imagination-heres-how-to-do-it--cms-22967

[stuck meteor]

@hexed shore did u finish ur Essay

[hexed shore]

NOPE

[stuck meteor]

[unkempt solar]

Yeah, problem is it steals those works usually without permission.

[turbid apex]

Don't you do it too? If you look for reference, maybe you look at other artists work, and it influences you regardless of permission

[abstract haven]

thats not a scientific study

[hexed shore]

Too busy dressing cute to stuff my face with pizza ok

Essays can come later

[chilly mason]

then AI isn't your problem it is copryright laws and implementation that is your problem

[unkempt solar]

I actually draw without reference because I love making things harder for myself

[turbid apex]

Really?

[chilly mason]

You always use references even if you don't notice it

[unkempt solar]

But that’s a personal choice. I only use what I remember from my fave artist’s works.

[turbid apex]

Is it a blank page then?

Because everything you ever saw, ever heard, ever touched will influence the way your brain produces something

[hexed shore]

Only thing I can draw without reference is buildings but usually use my own face for references and just change it to suit the character j want

[unkempt solar]

Drawing inspiration vs actively using a piece of artwork is very different guys

[turbid apex]

Soo, the difference to you is the time frame? Does it matter at what point you got influenced?

[chilly mason]

You always use refences weither you notice it or not, it's something your brain does. You draw a house, it might be a reference from something you saw as a kid but don't remember seeing it but your brain knows.

[turbid apex]

The AI searches on order right now. And you if you draw "without" reference use knowledge you gained over years.

[hexed shore]

Yeeee, I think the thing is it's usually from real life, even if I do sometimds see another art work and become inspired

[unkempt solar]

Wha

[unkempt solar]

Yeah, but everything in your life influences that memory. But putting a picture of a house into the AI would be different.

[chilly mason]

nope not really

[turbid apex]

Why?

[chilly mason]

how would it be different?

AI is in essence a brain

[unkempt solar]

Because it’s a machine, and it will only go on what you feed it (stolen artwork, for example).

[turbid apex]

Your brain also only goes on what you feed it

[unkempt solar]

I don’t think you guys are getting my point. I’m saying AI shouldn’t use stolen artwork, not that AI shouldn’t exist.

[chilly mason]

nope, that's where you understanding about text2img doesn't help you here AIs doesn't just copy artwork

[hexed shore]

I do think it is different to actually put someone else's artwork in a Machine with the intent to be used in other works

[turbid apex]

But thats not AI exclusive. No one should use stolen Artwork

[chilly mason]

so it is like I said, your problem is copy right issues not AI

[hexed shore]

Yeah definitely

[unkempt solar]

I agree.

[turbid apex]

The matter is to define at what point something is stolen then.

[hexed shore]

AI isn't bad as long as it doesn't steal or compensates for someone's work

But that's an ethics issue

[chilly mason]

Most people don't hate or don't want AI to not exists, it are the copy right laws that bother them. but this was a problem from even before the uprise from AIs.

[unkempt solar]

A common example in the art community is tracing someone else’s art and posting it as your own would essentially be stealing. But using it as a style reference is something else, because it cannot be the same. You’d be influenced by your own life experience.

[chilly mason]

yes, that's also what Ai does

[turbid apex]

An AI is also influenced by that. Sure it won't be a life it grabs from, but it still takes much much more different references, as you ever saw in your life propably

[abstract haven]

maybe we should stop talking about AI Art now

[unkempt solar]

again, I’m not against AI. I’m against people stealing art for AI.

[abstract haven]

but your okay with humans stealing art for humans

[chilly mason]

yes, copy right laws are a problem since the start of the enternet

[hexed shore]

LOL no one is for stealing art

[unkempt solar]

When the hell did I say that.

When did I say stealing art IRL is ok?

I am an artist. Having my work stolen from me in any capacity, machine or human, is disrespectful.

[hexed shore]

I think ai art propagates an issue on a wider scale with thousands of art pieces. It's not an issue with AI but more how can we crack down on an issue now it's becoming a bigger one

[unkempt solar]

I’m saying one thing and you guys are banking on me for not including this or that.

[chilly mason]

yep, but most people only start to complain about it now cuz it is for AI which is in a way more advanced then a human. (I am not pointing at anyone here just saying in general)

[abstract haven]

the AI artwork looks nothing like the originals just like human artwork looks nothing like its inspirations (if they're good)

[turbid apex]

An AI can still only take what was voluntarily shared

[hexed shore]

People sharing art to a person portfolio and it happening to appear on Google isn't realllly sharing imo

I've had an advert I made for my degree cut and taken and used commercially

It doesn't feel nice regardless

[chilly mason]

from what I understand is that you're not against AI but against art theft.

[unkempt solar]

Um… no, anyone can take art and put it into a machine. That’s why I’m so scared to post art on public forums now.

[unkempt solar]

Yes, thank you.

[abstract haven]

facebook owns your pictures

[hexed shore]

That it does LOL

[turbid apex]

Facebook owns them only after you gave them to it.

And you know the TOS

[unkempt solar]

Hence why I discourage most of my family from using it

[hexed shore]

Yeah I have a profile only for group chats

[abstract haven]

yeah but you didnt give it to them for them to own you gave it to them to share with family

[turbid apex]

Still while knowing that it becomes their property

[unkempt solar]

No one reads the TOS, unfortunately.

[turbid apex]

YOu basically agreed

[abstract haven]

you cant agree to something when your 14 or have no other choice

[turbid apex]

Choices there is plenty

[chilly mason]

This is my general conclusion from many discussions I have had with other people about this subject. Ai isn't their problem it is art theft and copy right issues. But this is a problem from the start of the internet why do many people complain about it only know when AI is uprising???

[abstract haven]

facebook has a monopoly on old people and parents

[hexed shore]

It's because it does it on large scale

I think

[chilly mason]

people have been doing this foron a large scale since forever

[abstract haven]

it was a big problem before the internet too

[chilly mason]

exactly proofs my point even further tbh

[unkempt solar]

I’m not one of those people, and I feel you’ve been generally disconnected from the larger art community because anyone who does steal art is usually cancelled or summ.

[abstract haven]

I'm on your side in this debate remember

[hexed shore]

Yeah it feels different somehow. 1 person pirating 1000 images for personal use and commerce is different from 1 AI pirating 1000 images for 10,000 people to use

If that makes sense

[turbid apex]

I don't get the difference between human and AI taking references still. If you punish an AI for doing so, so should be humans. Which would lead to no Art at all.

[abstract haven]

or celebrated

[chilly mason]

I mean sure there were a lot of people already complaining about copy rights not being regulated well, but that amount has now exploded since the rise of AIs I feel like.

[unkempt solar]

Pirating artwork is not ok y’all

[hexed shore]

It's not okay at all haha

But that's why it's become huge specifically with AI

[chilly mason]

I am on nobody's site kek. if someone says to me I am wrong with proof I will happily listen to it

[hexed shore]

Imo

[abstract haven]

AI will advance the art industry

[hexed shore]

I think it will streamline processes which is nice

[abstract haven]

whether good or bad is still in the question but it will advance it

[hexed shore]

[abstract haven]

and how is AI artwork any different then movies using AI to add shadows?

[chilly mason]

What people need to see is that AI is a tool like photoshop. It will always need human input it can not act in its own.

[unkempt solar]

I cannot truly tell you this because im not very good with technology

[hexed shore]

Yee I don't think people have issues with AI as a concept, it's just the taking of other people's work on mass scales

[unkempt solar]

I’m not the best person to talk to about this topic tbh

[chilly mason]

it's a different way and a different skill to express art

[unkempt solar]

Very much this!!

[chilly mason]

exactly

[turbid apex]

As I am at that point btw. can an AI when its not considered human at all even be punished by human laws?

[abstract haven]

but we've known it was going to do that for decades

[hexed shore]

It's ethics which is really widely disputed anyway, likely no good answer for how to prevent it or how companies should do it

[chilly mason]

nope, but it can be regulated and restricted from saying and doing things

[unkempt solar]

No one’s prosecuting the engine, only the people who made the engines and fed the art in.

It’s a robot. It does whatever you tell it to.

[abstract haven]

an AI will never have emotions or "free Will" at the end of the day it is limited by its programming

[hexed shore]

Ultimately the technology is technology, it's the people behind it

[unkempt solar]

^^^^!

[abstract haven]

No one will prosecute the people behind AI art. theres not enough money in it for people to care

[hexed shore]

Until it grows

[abstract haven]

even when it grows

[unkempt solar]

Very unfortunate tbh.

I wanna see them have some form of consequence.

[chilly mason]

at some point AIs, will have a subconscious. cuz there thinking will be so complex that they will be able to do just that. but I don't think anyone wants that. maybe just as an experiment

[turbid apex]

You could also see an AI as a tool then

A tool like a brush

[unkempt solar]

It is a tool

Just not used in the right way currently.

[abstract haven]

there is no money in art unless you pull the lottery and some millionaire wants to use your art to tax evade

[chilly mason]

have you heard about dreambooth? everyone can feed art in the database from Stable Diffusion

[hexed shore]

Discussion has been good, I am now meeting my only friend

Have a good one!

[unkempt solar]

Oh there’s definitely money in art, it’s just time consuming and subjective.

[abstract haven]

it will never be a true subconscious

[chilly mason]

byebye, have fun eating pizza. it's chinese food for me

[unkempt solar]

Sometimes I wish I couldnt read

[hexed shore]

All tasty all round

[abstract haven]

what bs have you been fed?

[sour ore]

goodbye Swift

[unkempt solar]

Um… time and experience from refining my own art style?

[abstract haven]

okay and how much money have you made?

[unkempt solar]

2 grand

[chilly mason]

there are people science people that already think AIs are subsconsius

[abstract haven]

and how long did that take

[unkempt solar]

I’m also a senior in high school, and a minor.

[unkempt solar]

A year and a half

[abstract haven]

because thats a month salary

[hexed shore]

I mean there is money on art, the contracts of our graphic designers is insane

[unkempt solar]

Yeah, but I was also 15

[abstract haven]

and? its still a months of works salary for way more time and effort

[unkempt solar]

Being a commissions only artist is pretty unprofitable

[safe tendon]

say what.... commission only

[chilly mason]

https://www.scienceandnonduality.com/article/is-ai-already-conscious

it's not a matter if AI will be subsconius, it's a matter of when

[unkempt solar]

Again, it’s time consuming and subjective. Doesn’t mean there’s no money.

[abstract haven]

yeah but im talking about painting art

[unkempt solar]

Who says I paint?

[hexed shore]

Very few make a lot of money from it but when they make money they MAKE money

[abstract haven]

you meant to divide money by time to find how much your worth

[hexed shore]

So it's the few making big

[chilly mason]

the highest wager I had for a student job was 100euro per day, and 7,6euro meal voucher

10 days would be 1 grand

[unkempt solar]

Bro? Are you listening to yourself rn? I don’t have a career. I’m not a professional artist. I have school from 8 to 4.

[hexed shore]

I was paid £6.15 an hour when I was younger

[chilly mason]

I am sure I have earned over 3grand their but it's to physically hard for me

[unkempt solar]

I don’t have a platform of fans.

[safe tendon]

damn I don't wanna get depressing here, but a lot of the folks that make money from "art" have a long road to cashing out, don't quit your day job 🙂

[unkempt solar]

Don’t use me as your example.

[abstract haven]

I'm not talking about career, I'm talking about the true value of how much you have made

[hexed shore]

LOL yeah have to kind of get a creative day job

[unkempt solar]

Two grand.

[hexed shore]

Graphic designers, web developers on the creative end

[abstract haven]

and how many hours?

[unkempt solar]

I don’t charge by the hour. But most people do.

[winged venture]

work :~)

[chilly mason]

My most earned job was 100euro per 8h(a day)

[abstract haven]

doesnt matter, your still paid by hour whether you charge by hour or not

[chilly mason]

I have worked for sure a couple months there

as student

[safe tendon]

get back to work buster 😛

[chilly mason]

nope you can get payed by the hour or by the day

[abstract haven]

thats a nice pay

[winged venture]

well, I'm still a student of 16, sir so LOL

[unkempt solar]

Being a commissions artist is not a 9-5 job. It’s more like you work when you work and you get paid by the rates that YOU set.

[hexed shore]

Art is enjoyable and if you can make money from it that's also great. Doesn't have to be a whole job

[abstract haven]

I dont mean business wise, I mean your own time

[chilly mason]

wdym? in your own time you don't get payed at all kek

[winged venture]

_no cries, student supremacy 👑

[safe tendon]

I started working when I was like 14yrs old, but to each their own

[hexed shore]

I personally never do commission but I have made stuff for friends

[abstract haven]

if you put 2 hours into a commission and the commission gets 20 bucks then its 10 bucks and hour

[chilly mason]

I stopped working their as a student, but I think I got like 3 grand and bit in the course of a couple months

[unkempt solar]

Also again. I don’t charge by the hour. I give discounts for friends, I get tipped well.

[abstract haven]

why on earth did you stop

[chilly mason]

but like how many do you get per piece?

[winged venture]

woahhhhh whattt... thats cool. I'm still studying to get in a good uni after 2 years lol

[safe tendon]

your an artist by trade?

[unkempt solar]

I am not a professional commissioned artist in any capacity. I do this for fun and a bit of extra cash so I can literally just buy comic books.

[abstract haven]

okay lets put it this way, how long do you spend on the average commission?

[chilly mason]

to heavy work, day and evening shift. mate if you ever get a job that is payed well for a student you know you will have to work very hard. I often for my morning shift had to wake up around 4 a.

[unkempt solar]

Bro why are you so obsessed with guessing the value of my work

[rugged niche]

I can pay you in exposure. /s

[safe tendon]

respectable nontheless

[unkempt solar]

I’m not a professional.

I cannot and should not be your standard.

[chilly mason]

it's not important but then you can see how much per hour you get.

[abstract haven]

I'm trying to show you the value of your work compaired to another job

[unkempt solar]

I’m not going to pursue a career in commissioned art. Again, I just do it for fun and a bit of allowance money.

[chilly mason]

let's say you get 20euro for a art piece and you worked 2 hour for it then you got 10euro/h

[hexed shore]

If you decide to take it as a full time day job would definitely recommend going for the agency end of things

You get some super fun and diverse work

[abstract haven]

and have to deal with annoying clients

[unkempt solar]

I’m pursuing a career in video game design. Not commissioned works.

[chilly mason]

but for another art piece you ask the same price but only worked 1h then you worked for 20euro/h

[hexed shore]

Make your manager deal with clients

Ez

[chilly mason]

a manager isn't free kek

[unkempt solar]

I charge usually 100 dollars for a 5 hour piece of work.

[abstract haven]

dam you have it made

[unkempt solar]

How’s that then?

[chilly mason]

that's about 20euro/hour not bad

[hexed shore]

I basically did the work for the accounts director so she did the clients, I did the technical

Best

[abstract haven]

yeah but how many commissions do you get per week?

[chilly mason]

considering I had to work hard and 8h for the same price

[abstract haven]

your job was far more stable

[unkempt solar]

On average, 3 every 6 months because IM NOT A PROFESSIONAL COMMISSIONED ARTIST. IM JUST A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL.

[chilly mason]

not really considering I quite kek

[abstract haven]

caps lock

[unkempt solar]

Yeah because you guys can’t seem to get my words through your head.

[chilly mason]

yes, we know lol, we are just curious

[unkempt solar]

[hexed shore]

Art can be super lucrative with a following

[unkempt solar]

Yes!!!

[hexed shore]

When I was in HS I had never seen 2 grand lol

[chilly mason]

HS?

[hexed shore]

Highschool

[chilly mason]

ah

college for america?

[unkempt solar]

No. I turned 17 three days ago.

[chilly mason]

I am turning 20 end this month

[hexed shore]

What a youngun

[unkempt solar]

Yeah unfortunately

[stuck meteor]

Now i feel old
And i turn 21 in 22 Days

[balmy lion]

Don’t you dare!

[abstract haven]

im 22 😭

[unkempt solar]

Don’t feel old, I only see old as past 45

[hexed shore]

I am 21

[safe tendon]

[balmy lion]

Old. Ancient

[hexed shore]

Bruh

Tell that to them too

[balmy lion]

Anyone above 18 is legally a fossil

[hexed shore]

Bruh

[stuck meteor]

U retire soon?

[safe tendon]

that's cold shaming folks based on age

[balmy lion]

[safe tendon]

especially when that trick works in reverse

[chilly mason]

lmaooooo

[balmy lion]

Don’t worry. In less then 2 years i to will be a fossil

[chilly mason]

better be a fossil then a kid that does fortnite memes

[unkempt solar]

I love how everyone above the age of 20 automatically sees themselves as a grandparent

You guys are so funny like that.

[balmy lion]

They are

[chilly mason]

I don't

[unkempt solar]

I see 36 as young idk dude

[dim scroll]

u wanna go

[chilly mason]

you know average age is 80yo? 45 ain't that old

60 is getting old

[unkempt solar]

Yeah even then 45 is just kinda meh

[balmy lion]

Honestly. Anything below 27 is young. 30 is mid life. 50 and above is old

[safe tendon]

considering the average person lives until maybe 70 - 90s ummmm 45 is half time 😛

[stuck meteor]

36 young??
Thats Stone Age

[unkempt solar]

Y’all r cowards.

[chilly mason]

most people reach 50 I feel like, 60 is old for my standards

[unkempt solar]

30s-40s are the prettiest years for people.

[brazen bolt]

Excuse me?

[unkempt solar]

Oh no

[chilly mason]

Don't be like that plss

[balmy lion]

Is that so?

[unkempt solar]

In my opinion!

In my opinion.

[dim scroll]

I can confirm I was better in my mid/early 20s than I am now at 29

wrong reply

[balmy lion]

I’m the coolest person in here.

[unkempt solar]

False. Utter lies. I bet ur 200x prettier and much more emotionally mature.

[dim scroll]

only thing better is my hair and beard

[chilly mason]

old age should burn and rave at close of day

[safe tendon]

correction you might be the second koolest Owl in here

[balmy lion]

Rage,Rage,Rage

[dim scroll]

the last one, yes. Or more, im more aware of my emotions and can control them somewhat

[chilly mason]

you said it one time to much

[balmy lion]

No!!!!!

[unkempt solar]

That makes a man like a million times more attractive than a 20 year old player

[balmy lion]

Damn it

[chilly mason]

against the dying of the light

[dim scroll]

I am still an emotional and mental wreck, in fact I'm in the worst mental state than I ever have been and I wish I was joking

[unkempt solar]

No it’s ok you and just about everyone else

[balmy lion]

Am coolest owl ever!

[unkempt solar]

Like I’ve been having a great month but one final straw and it’s all coming down

[balmy lion]

🦉

[safe tendon]

Hope you see better dayz ahead

[dim scroll]

thank you

[broken blade]

Ouch can we make it above 51 is old as i'm an immature 50yo

[dim scroll]

mines been the opposite the last few months. finally told my partner indirectly about how I am doing and no longer what to "be here" yk

[chilly mason]

for english class we where allowed to share songs with our teacher and we would get an exercise about it, I send once this and we had to learn about war poems anyway she used that as exercise.

[dim scroll]

welcome to adulthood kids

[balmy lion]

Sure

[brazen bolt]

They do not know what they are talking about.

[unkempt solar]

I’m not looking forward to it.

[chilly mason]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4vSlIeLQxLnmSMGO8VggwM?si=237fe74ecf8644cd

[balmy lion]

Nice. I have the full poem here idk if I can send it tho

[unkempt solar]

I feel like I can’t say how much I appreciate middle aged people without being weird

[dim scroll]

It will get better, I know this.

But it's the journey to getting to the better times that kills me

[chilly mason]

@balmy lion

[dim scroll]

anyway enough of Croaks mental state

[balmy lion]

Thx

[chilly mason]

I rewatched interstaller yesterday

[balmy lion]

So good isn’t it

[chilly mason]

I really like it

[broken blade]

Best of luck to you. 10 years ago i gave up drinking. Highly reccomend it.

[chilly mason]

but I am also a very big Hans Zimmer fan so

[chilly mason]

nope

[unkempt solar]

You guys are so polite.

[balmy lion]

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[unkempt solar]

[chilly mason]

very good poem imo

[dim scroll]

Thankfully thats one of my better traits, I've never been much of a drinker outside the occasional one around holidays and celebrations

[balmy lion]

[unkempt solar]

Alcohol tastes gross. for legal purposes, I have never tried it.

[broken blade]

Good for you.

[balmy lion]

I can’t say the same. For legal reasons I have indeed broke and can confirm it tastes good

[safe tendon]

you sure you aren't also a paralegal 😛

[unkempt solar]

I’m truly an infant compared to yall

[dim scroll]

congrats on 10 year s tho dude thats amazing

[balmy lion]

No you aren’t

[unkempt solar]

No, I’d cry

[chilly mason]

Alcohol is a taste that you have to learn to appreciate it.

[broken blade]

Thank you. You sound like a decent chap and i'm sure that in time things will improve for you.

[unkempt solar]

Best wishes for both of you ❤️

[balmy lion]

Fr. Margaritas and Bloody Marys are the best things in the universe

[chilly mason]

Augustijn blond >>>

Sorry mate Belgian beers are the best

[balmy lion]

Never had it

I only get what my dad has at home.

[safe tendon]

think we might be entering the danger zone here folks

[chilly mason]

A bitter Fruity after taste

[balmy lion]

[chilly mason]

Butbut

[safe tendon]

might want to dial it back to butterbeer 🙂

[balmy lion]

Oki

[unkempt solar]

There be whole 60 year olds

[safe tendon]

appreciate that

[chilly mason]

Isn't that 21+?

[balmy lion]

I’m 16…. You can’t be that young

[unkempt solar]

I was 16 a week ago

A week too much tho

[balmy lion]

See you are older then me

[unkempt solar]

Yea

[balmy lion]

So. Now am I the coolest owl in here?

[safe tendon]

your trending in that direction

[balmy lion]

[broken blade]

See the coolest person wouldn't need to say that they are cool (twice). So you may have been the coolest person but not now.

[balmy lion]

Excuse me?!

[broken blade]

Don't ever remember the Fonz saying he was cool. People knew that he was. Anyhow as you have a pink name, i'll just say that you are cool if you need that kind of assurance 😉

[balmy lion]

YAYY

The coolest people in this sever are the ones who are wizard fans

[normal stone]

One whom declares himself King is no a true king. Well, however Game of Thrones may or may not have put it.

[balmy lion]

I need to watch that series