🙎┃character-guides

[compact ledge]

i gotta learn the more advanced stuff now

[kind ginkgo]

on those things you will have to work all the time dw

👍

i got over 1k hours and i still cannot say i am perfect at them

[delicate pumice]

Thanks to @kind ginkgo

[kind ginkgo]

npnp

[karmic wolf]

I just showed you how a funnel make it possible

[compact ledge]

damn bro i got like 30

i hit gold now and people are alot alot alot better now

[kind ginkgo]

Wait till high plat, that's when real people start to actually take over games

Before that it's still mostly bots, of increasing difficulty

[magic hinge]

Right when you feel like you are getting good, the Asura lobby spam is gonna happen

[delicate pumice]

your Gold , i havnt even unlocked rank yet

[karmic wolf]

I have got every single freaking purple from the stupid lantern and even golds and I only wanted one thing from there, the kurumi wahh, did I got it? no

No I did not

gacha needs to be eradicated

[compact ledge]

i paid the 2 euros up front

[compact ledge]

what is the bot ratio

i istantly went into ranked because i thought there would no bots there

but i have less "is this guy just really bad or bot moment"

i barely have any at this point

[karmic wolf]

all bronze and silver are like 80%+ bots

gold start getting lower

but I would say still 50%+ bots

the big change is that bronze and silver pretty much all bots kill each other

in gold bots start attacking you

[compact ledge]

i didn´t think about the bots killing each other thing

[compact ledge]

yeah i have like maybe once every 2 game a moment where i´m like "is he just really that bad or a bot"

the number decreased for me the higher i went ranked

but when i get put in a "low elo" average lobby i have that alot alotmore

[compact ledge]

it doesn´t feel like 50% to me when playing

[karmic wolf]

is late season so maybe is even more by now

in plat you will start seeing more player for sure

if you think is a bot and are not sure

hide in a bush, even if you are in line of sight, bot will stop chasing

[compact ledge]

it´s frustating that you never know

[karmic wolf]

and wander around the bush randomly

[compact ledge]

i get it the game is hard you need to ease people into first with weak opponents

[karmic wolf]

the problem with the ranking system, is that it is impossible to stay low rank, no matter how bad you are

[compact ledge]

but not telling you just feelsw wrong

[karmic wolf]

it rewards you even if you did nothing

is a very bad ranking system

[compact ledge]

i agree with that

i shouldn´t rank up so fast a player with 30 hours

[compact ledge]

i think this might be the nature of a battle royale

[karmic wolf]

right now I am solid solar, but I could be freaking asura if I wanted to, just avoid fights and hide till the end, zero kills and I get lots of points even if I get more dead than kills in the match

but when I realized that, I stopped avoiding fighting

[compact ledge]

i mean how i know i fight bots are when i look at the elo i got for my kills

[karmic wolf]

cuz I was learning nothing and kept climbing the ladder

[compact ledge]

how does the ranking even work

[karmic wolf]

someome here said, that it was very tough to rank before, and people complained, and now everyone can be asura if they just play enough

[compact ledge]

doesn´t it just say if you deafeat someone high rank you get alot of points and alot less for killing someone low rank

[karmic wolf]

no, it does not matter who you kill

is about the avg elo in the match

that scales your points

[compact ledge]

i mean the fact it tells you in the lobby "high ranked" "low ranked lobby" is stupid

you can just camp

when you are in a "high ranked lobby"

i always hot drop but you could if you want to

[karmic wolf]

it just should not reward you with 15+ point for getting to top 10 by doing nothinig

[compact ledge]

this felt humbling to read

[karmic wolf]

I get no losing points for getting to top 10 but gaining so much? yeah thats plain dumb

[compact ledge]

yeah i always hot drop alot of times i have game where i´m like 5 frags but place like 20th and then get 10 points next game i get 1 frag top 10 for doing nothing and gain more points

[compact ledge]

i only lost points when i got 47th once and i only lost 2 points lmao

[karmic wolf]

hahaha

big penalty

I would quit game

[compact ledge]

but when everyone is high elo is inflated no one is

[karmic wolf]

sweaty players much

[compact ledge]

damn i wanted to spend money on the game

so basicly really when you are like plat and up you only start playing?

humbling to know

[karmic wolf]

I started last season, my first season I went up to empryrean, without winning a single fight since platinum, is just not okay

almost reach astral

ridiculous

[compact ledge]

yeah i always hot drop

i know you can do it

but doing that way

is just lame

[compact ledge]

what region are you?

[karmic wolf]

yeah pretty much, the thing is now you will have the other problem

you will get REALLY strong players frequently

I personally do not mind, but it is tough to learn

by getting destroyed

[karmic wolf]

NA

[compact ledge]

i´m a competive player

i got no problem with getting destroyed

i´m good in shooter games ass in fighting games

sad to know ranked is this gargabe

[karmic wolf]

yeah is trash, the REAL skill check in this game

is called immortal war

Its alive for alike a month each season

[compact ledge]

i thought this was just a me thing

[karmic wolf]

got totally destroyed there

you get no points by fooling around there

[compact ledge]

is the blade point mostly casual or what

how long has is been this trash?

[karmic wolf]

I entered this season, went up top 19 points, went back to zero again

haha

[compact ledge]

i mean the game is good but i wish ranked was better

[karmic wolf]

well as I said it was hard before, but that wsa before my time, so I do not know how long since ranking is trash

but do not worry about your rank

game is casual if you want a badge that tell you, You are good

but if you really wanna be good

game is hard

[compact ledge]

i´m a competive player that is the most fun for me

you know i used to be high ranked in shooter games

[karmic wolf]

I consider myself competitive, but I need no validatrion badge, I want to beat high level players

thats it

and right now I cannot

high level players are way above my pay check

as it is right now

haha

[karmic wolf]

shooter is a very different story, unless you come from CSGO, shooters are just different

point and click stuff

[compact ledge]

i came from cs lmao

[karmic wolf]

okay then you good

but yeah worry not about the badge, badge in this game is meaningless, UNLESS is immortal war badge

[compact ledge]

i´m decent on almost every shooter and i used to be really good at cs and tf2

[karmic wolf]

that is tought to get

but only played for a few weeks per season

in NA at least IDK about EU

[compact ledge]

so ig it´s just get better and have fun until they fix ranked?

[karmic wolf]

ranked is "Fixed" people complained it was too hard

[compact ledge]

i´m from eu pretty much what you described you i experienced too

but not as bad

i think eu has alot more players

[karmic wolf]

well if you want a badge that actually says something

play immortal war

[compact ledge]

this sucks as someone who likes to climb ladders in games

[karmic wolf]

if you are high rank in there you are a good player

[compact ledge]

how diffrent is it to the default game

[karmic wolf]

very different

like a lot

try it out today

haha

idk what time it opens in EU

[compact ledge]

that´s sad i like the battle royale

[karmic wolf]

it is battle royale

[orchid star]

It's still br

It's diff in the sense of difficulty and some other gameplay elements

[compact ledge]

i kinda have this thing where i like to get high rank in game and then play some else

that´s the most fun to me

the grind itself

[karmic wolf]

as I said if EU has more players, try Immortal war

grind that

ranked is meaningless badge

[compact ledge]

basicly what you said is true in eu

too but not as bad

i would say

[compact ledge]

i can tell

[orchid star]

The true meaningless player is playing qp like me

[compact ledge]

i mean if you only lose 2 points for a 47th finnish

[orchid star]

Last I played ranked solo I hit solar 5 and then completely stopped cuz I was tired of ranked. Could've gotten asura

Cuz my friend did and we're about the same skill lvl

[karmic wolf]

but as I said do not pay attention to the badge, you will know when you beat actual good players, you will know when you earn those points

[compact ledge]

so they will prolly never "fix" ranked right?

[orchid star]

Beating a good player is so satisfying

[compact ledge]

it is

[karmic wolf]

yeah, no badge can tell me that

[orchid star]

I beat em once and I'm like "aight I'm good for today" drinks while shaking cup

[compact ledge]

i usually the last 5 guys in ranked are always crazy

[karmic wolf]

if you need badge validation IW is the only way in thisb game

but I can assure you, you are not ready for IW

[compact ledge]

i´m trying that today or tommorow

[karmic wolf]

just try to get to platinum and start playing people who actually know what they are doing

[orchid star]

I have a bunch of badges on my profile simply cuz they look pretty

Shiny pixels

[karmic wolf]

like first big difernce from IW, zero bots, lobby needs to fill up

[compact ledge]

i need 400 points

[karmic wolf]

second is

all those players are very high level

advanced at least

you will not find new players in there, unless they are lost

haha

[orchid star]

Tbh

Solar is avg

[karmic wolf]

third big difference you need kill to get points

[compact ledge]

usually the people with the immortal badge always destroy me

[orchid star]

If you hit solar, you're an avg player

[compact ledge]

and i´m looking at it "what the hell is immortal war"

[orchid star]

It's getting out of solar that is the somewhat difficult part

[compact ledge]

i think i will try to hit a high rank

to see how bad it is

maybe it´s just a na problem

i think it´s prolly fine in east asia they have alot more players

[orchid star]

In na, you queue ranked as plat

Match with top 5 player

It's fine

[karmic wolf]

here is the thing, if you are trying to raise the badge in there, no skill is needed just play time, but if you really wanna raise up fighting, you will stop ranking in solar

till you start winning those fights

[compact ledge]

yeah but shouldn´t it become hard sooner or later when i´m like asura or some

right?

[karmic wolf]

it is hard, if you fight

players are good

[compact ledge]

so problem is ranks are inflated because people that can camp can get the same high rank as people that fight

[karmic wolf]

yes

they take way more time, but they will get there

eventually

[compact ledge]

this is "fixing" rank to them?

[karmic wolf]

to the people that thought they were good

[compact ledge]

i usually play agressive in every game i play

[karmic wolf]

and were low rank

yes

[compact ledge]

that´s how i improved so fast in shooter game

so that is my approach here too

land where you see alot of people are

[karmic wolf]

if you do that everytime and do not shy up from fights

you will stop ranking

up

[compact ledge]

that´s so dumb

now i´m rethinking spending money on the game 😭

[karmic wolf]

you just need to let go of the badge value, like what does a badge says if you are just bad

and as I said wanna a real badge go IW

[compact ledge]

so ranks are inlated and the people that are really high ranked just camp

[karmic wolf]

nope

people that are really high ranked

are very good

pay less attention to the badge

[compact ledge]

yeah i checked it´s open between 7 to 9 pm in eu

[karmic wolf]

and pay more attention to games, damage and K/D ratio

if they died more than kill while also having TONS of games played and are high rank, they are just hiding

[compact ledge]

i have an average of 5 kd rn

[karmic wolf]

well

is pretty irrelevant before plat tbh

[compact ledge]

yeah tbf they aren´t as many bots in eu

[karmic wolf]

just get closer to solar see if you can keep the ratio up

[compact ledge]

maybe every other game i see 1 bot

[karmic wolf]

at 30 hours is very hard to know which player is a bot and which one is not

[compact ledge]

if i don´t need to use my shift key to dodge i assume i´m fighting a bot

that´s how i think it is atleast

if i fight someone good

[karmic wolf]

high level bots are REALLY good

[compact ledge]

really?

[karmic wolf]

yes, I can assure you, you cannot beat a high level bot atm

[compact ledge]

sometimes i don´t even need to shift to dodge

[karmic wolf]

with 30 hours

they are broken

haha

input read and stuff like that

[orchid star]

They buffed bots and tbh Im kinda annoyed by it

I dun wanna have to sweat against a bot

[karmic wolf]

Im getting good at killing bots, by now, I only have strong issues vs high level dual wielding ones

[orchid star]

I only struggle against the high lvl bots

[compact ledge]

tbh i don´t have a problem with bots if they are still challenging

but i don´t like the lack of trasperency

i know you can´t always find other 50 idiots for your games always

and every br has bots

[karmic wolf]

You have not fought a high level bot, my dude

[orchid star]

If you're new and you are ok with bots

You didn't fight high lvl

[karmic wolf]

in bronze silver and gold bots are low level

well gold maybe start being medium

but definitely far away from the highest level ones

[compact ledge]

the difficulty increased

i know by the fact

i used to grind my first few games with yoto hime

i have a 5kd on her

once i got a higher rank i started to play lannie and zai i got 2kd on both them

so defentively the difficulty increased somewhat by now

[karmic wolf]

yeah gold should be medium, bronze and siolver they still run around like headless chickens

[compact ledge]

yeah spot on

[karmic wolf]

I think gold they actually start hitting you

[compact ledge]

i don´t have "headless chicken bots" now atleast

if i q a bot you would say it wouldn´t be a big diffrence

and for some reason when i play casual i meet more "insane" guys

[karmic wolf]

oh yeah, I remember my casual days

you can win without seeing anyone

or can get destroyed

in a second

there is no middle ground in there

[compact ledge]

i played casual duo because i played with a real life friend

i got destory harder than i ever got in ranked

i only play solos pretty much

[karmic wolf]

yeah you will start seeing the diffference as soon as you get close to solar

which should be fast

[compact ledge]

unless i play duos with my 2 real friends that also play this game

the only time i question someone for being a bot is once every 2 games atp

[karmic wolf]

as I said is hard to tell

for you

[compact ledge]

probably

[karmic wolf]

you need more experience

but I can assure you, bots are hard, they are not easy, when they are in the hardest difficulty

they only lack one thing

they suck at tracking

so, if you cannot beat them

in a fair fight

you can still win

by running and healing

till they die

but fighting them mano a mano, it is tough

you need some experience

I went and play bot mode hard for a couple of weeks when I started this season, to fully get on the bots

[compact ledge]

how good are bots at cancling the zai f abbility

can bots do that?

[karmic wolf]

bots strnght is neutral

cuz they are broken

they know if you gonna charge or not

if you charge and they are not negative you WILL get parried

no matter what

you cannot bait em, if they charge and you parry they will cancel and normal atk

if you cancel your charge they will clash

you have to get good at whiff punish to be consistant vs high level bots

without using resources ofc

as I said you can eat all your berries and win, eventually

but now you are empty

[compact ledge]

so this pretty much i only start playing plat and upwards

[karmic wolf]

or use your ult but now you wasted ult in a bot

yeah consider plat

bronze

haha

well now

plat maybe silver

[compact ledge]

plat is like silver then

[karmic wolf]

bronze is gold

[compact ledge]

i wish ranked stayed "hard" but ig quitters mentality is strong with alot of people

nowerdays

[karmic wolf]

yeah

western sociaty is like this nowadays

requires effort?

no thanks

tel me which button I press

to win

[compact ledge]

yeah that´s why i fell in love with games like cs and tf2

[orchid star]

Naraka is ez to start, hard to master

[compact ledge]

they are so hard to understand but when you get down and you shit on kids

it´s a diffrent feeling

once you get to that point

[orchid star]

And a lot of new players get smacked in the face with reality and get put off by it

[compact ledge]

yeah i thought myself that´s stupid at first

then i thought about it longer

i think it´s better for the game to boost everyone´s ego with a high rank

the devs know alot better than the players most of the time

but players will never admit that

[karmic wolf]

I am not saying is bad for sale, those are two different things

but is sad overall

[compact ledge]

what i don´t get it says "top 45%" who are the 55% worse than me?

the people that only play casual or what?

[compact ledge]

i think the devs did it against their own choice if they didn´t do like that right-away

alot of people probably got shit on and left the game for ever

before they changed that

i wouldn´t have known if i didn´t ask before in the discord here

because i always hit gold - plat in most comeptive game i play with little effort

[karmic wolf]

you need to stop paying attentoin to those behind the scene formulas

just keep playing you will get to see the kind of players that wrecked you in casual

very frequently soon enough

and that is what matter at the end

[compact ledge]

i know the games are getting alot harder now

so it´s still challenging ig

i´m still pretty bad i can´t complain to hard

[compact ledge]

i played 1 game half assed with music and no sense not trying i still get points

and i still got points

just for science now

[karmic wolf]

it will become slower

better keep killing bots

to get to plat faster

[compact ledge]

like it was so easy from bronze silver now it´s alot alot harder atleast

so i can´t complain to much ig just play more and not look at rank

try improving not looking at rank

i will keep hot dropping tho

i read online people say the same pretty much as you gold-plat where the games begins thanks for the advice bro i will try immortal war when i can

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[compact ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-salute-gif-24255323

[kind ginkgo]

Oh, DW about that; higher rank bits are scarier than real players sometime

[magic hinge]

No they aren’t

At least bots can’t do Takeda tod

[kind ginkgo]

Well......

About that....

They can do frametraps and grapple combos ATM 🤔😂

UA ones at least for sure, Asura ones too I reckon

[magic hinge]

ye yall didnt believe me abt the grapples

[kind ginkgo]

I did some research

And I have to agree 😂

[magic hinge]

but they are super easy to run away from

compared to real people

[olive sun]

until they decide to spawn on your face when you're low and getting chased by a real person

[magic hinge]

well getting third partied by another person is just as bad

so yeah

[kind ginkgo]

Or spawn in the middle of a fight and decide to target you 🤔😂😂😭

[olive sun]

it's not the same
you getting 3rd partied by ppl you blame yourself
you getting 3rd partied by bots you blame the game

also when getting 3rd partied but human you could still maneuver the fight to a certain degree, because everyone are afraid of dying
bots doesn't, they don't care if they got killed and that's what make them dangerous

[magic hinge]

the bow headshot from 20000 km away

[karmic wolf]

what advantages does lyam has in his golden state beside his two swords?

I see that I can throw both swords and the golden state continues

and If I cancel it I get zero rage

[rocky dove]

I think damage reduction , or and don’t quote me on this I think constant ult focus

[karmic wolf]

does not look like gold focus

[midnight grove]

he has the gold things around him and it looks cool :)

[karmic wolf]

[celest trout]

hey is tessa still any good?

[karmic wolf]

Is she still any good? you serious? are you blind, son?

Go and reflect on what you just said

[celest trout]

bro i just returned to the game a sec ago and still didn't take any look on the abilities or anything since am not home rn

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-sigh-whatever-not-surprised-gif-22918448

[celest trout]

oh boi

screw meta and still maining her

[karmic wolf]

abilities? what is that?

[orchid star]

meta? whats that

[celest trout]

damn

[orchid star]

this is reason enough to main her

her existence is enough

[karmic wolf]

you ruining it with out theme skins

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

these kids today

[orchid star]

its my fav skin

aside from the new yinyang skin

that theyre taking forever to release

GIVE IT TO ME ALREADY

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-gif-13250127

[celest trout]

and what is a good glyph build for her btw

[celest trout]

i got timed out for sending a gif dam

[ashen escarp]

isnt it supposed to be out by now?

[orchid star]

if its out rn then it came out between the time i said smthn and now

cuz i was online when i sent that

and it was not available

[lunar gazelle]

Any Guide for zai please ?

[kind ginkgo]

pretty straightforward

ult > charge attack > rinse and repeat

if enemy runs, catch them with light attacks

the more you hit, the more you charge (like nunchucks) and the more your focus will deal dmg

[lunar gazelle]

if I don't have ult then i am cooked?

[kind ginkgo]

nah

just play neutral as you would with any character

character abilities are strong, some more than others, but at the end of the day, neutral is still the most important thing, on any weapon and hero

zai's max potential is when in ult tho, which is why u see a lot of glyphs fully developed in rage

[lunar gazelle]

yeah but almost every hero can hard counter zai ult with their ult 😦 it's so sad because my main is zai but I get absolutely destroyed while facing better ults

[kind ginkgo]

????????????????????????

i need examples of that

[magic hinge]

??????

[magic hinge]

Just as confused

[lunar gazelle]

I will explain

[kind ginkgo]

aside shayol, whihc is designed to counter zai and still does not do a good job at that, there is no hero really built to counter zai

she has in fact one of the strongest ult in the game for team modes

[magic hinge]

Hadi flies away :)))

Shayol is a Zai counter?

[lunar gazelle]

kyilng has better ult with better gold focus

[kind ginkgo]

well, lyam can briefly stun her and cyra can interrupt aswell. kylin can cc her

[kind ginkgo]

yes and no

[kind ginkgo]

at the beginning

also by the lore

now people learned to play around her ult, so those 3 charges dont always mean anything

[magic hinge]

Lore Tinhai is demolishing everyone

[kind ginkgo]

i want that in the game

[lunar gazelle]

accurate as fk

[magic hinge]

I play a hadi vs Zai

Feels pretty fun to annoy them

[lunar gazelle]

hadi always run away when he is low it's so annoying man

[kind ginkgo]

there is no absolute in this game; as there is not a real counter

[magic hinge]

It’s just a ult exchange

[kind ginkgo]

the fact hadi can run away, means that you either dont have any grappling hooks or that u have some mouvement problem usually 🤔

if hes low hell run, if u grapple constantly u catch up

[magic hinge]

Yeah

[lunar gazelle]

I guess you are really good player with 3000 hours of play

[kind ginkgo]

decent one, only 1k 👍

[magic hinge]

It’s usually used to confirm kills just get out of spam or smth

[kind ginkgo]

wouldnt call myself good yet tho

[magic hinge]

If you like Zai, just play her anyways

I‘d say she’s a pretty good character

Tips against a kylin

If he uses 1 ult

[lunar gazelle]

nice i only on 400 hours and most of time play zai but I only win fight when I get lucky they spam blue focus out of fear so I can pary them other that I'm dead

[kind ginkgo]

if you lose a focus clash on zai we got an issue 🤔

she got golden focus all the way 🤔

[magic hinge]

Bro has more hours than me

[kind ginkgo]

i would recommend working a little bit on neutral in that case 👍 ; it could help with the overall situation 👍

[lunar gazelle]

but you seems better;)

[kind ginkgo]

aside from that, try to bait the enemy; if you are on the offensive, you always win on zai 👍

the sec u get on the defensive you start losing

so you want to be the one applyign pressire

pressure4

[magic hinge]

There‘s a lot of baiting in Zai ult also

Because her stacks can be dodged

[lunar gazelle]

you don't know how much times I dead to wuchen ult

[magic hinge]

I noticed you can dodge and punish quickly

[magic hinge]

Wuchen

[lunar gazelle]

thanks 🤣

[magic hinge]

I know your pain

Wuchen ult is annoying

[kind ginkgo]

wuchen ult aint balanced 🤷‍♂️

u prolly chose one of the worse examples 😆

few heroes can do anything about that if they get hit

the key is to dodge it

[magic hinge]

Easier said than done

listen to the sound of swords

[lunar gazelle]

I mean it's pure win when he start it

[magic hinge]

If he misses no

He can miss 2

:))

[lunar gazelle]

I don't even know how to doge it

[magic hinge]

Well I’m not consistent against dodging it

I’d say if he has f

And is in ult

He often baits with his f that he is using ult

[lunar gazelle]

it's most annoying ult in game

[kind ginkgo]

ye

[kind ginkgo]

tap dodge, but has to be timed correctly

[magic hinge]

So try to not disengage

And make him think you are committing either a blue or hold

If you start running he might hit you midair

[lunar gazelle]

yeah every time I hear her voice for ult I will just run way

[magic hinge]

And then the animation comes you can dodge

Annoying ye

But dodgeable

[lunar gazelle]

do you play on eu servers ?

[magic hinge]

Ye

[lunar gazelle]

if you don't mind we can play some games

[magic hinge]

Maybe in the evening, when I’m home

Dm me your name or id

I‘ll add you

[lunar gazelle]

ofc

[kind ginkgo]

Same here eventually if you need

[magic hinge]

bro

I'm watching chess live

i did not know my brain found this interersting

[kind ginkgo]

It's super interesting

Blitz or classic?

[magic hinge]

classic

but it's endgame alr

[kind ginkgo]

I see

Glyphs pages listed are not up to date, mind you, there are some mistakes and not all are optimal. Refer to penemue's video instead 🤔👍

(for the person that pinged me a sec ago)

[magic hinge]

is there a reason every time i play matches that are 400+ higher for me, it's just a lot of bots that kill each other in the first 1-2 minutes and only like 15-20 real players who happen to be higher ranked than me anyways?

and the matches 400+ lower, i get the same thing but just less bots

like i'm not meeting bots either way

but the rank diff...

[kind ginkgo]

What time u playing? 🤔

And what rank?

[magic hinge]

empyrean

evenings

and nights

[kind ginkgo]

Mhh 🤔

Been a while since I saw a huge bot brawl in rank🤔

Can't help you sadly

I see them in qm if it helps, when not so many people play 🤔

[magic hinge]

idk

solo rank in eu has been very strange lately

[kind ginkgo]

Ah, that's normal

U don't see the brawl yourself tho, right?

[magic hinge]

nah i saw it

[kind ginkgo]

Nvm then

[magic hinge]

there was another bot on a killstreak

i was rooting for him

them came this guy

[kind ginkgo]

😂😂😂

[magic hinge]

actual Naraka: Bladepoint is the bots we saw along the way

[kind ginkgo]

😂

May they rest in peace

[lunar gazelle]

it's would be great , are u ok with being in voice chat ? so we can communicate better

[kind ginkgo]

i dont mind dw

today is a bit late for me tho, just came back from a match 👍

[lunar gazelle]

yeah I will contact you later , would like to learn things in game from u xd

[kind ginkgo]

by late i meant that i wont play today 😆 , it's too late and i'm tired 😆

[lunar gazelle]

you play Europe right?

[kind ginkgo]

but any other day it's fine if i'm around

and yep, i'm eu

(not sure i am the best person to learn from tho, ill do what i can 👍 )

[lunar gazelle]

at least better than me obviously

i am stuck at Solar I 😂 getting absolutely rekt by better players every match

[magic hinge]

yo whoever was the guy in my lobby rn

thx for respecting the 1v1 and not immediately third partying

[magic hinge]

did you play today?

i had an insane lyam in my lobby today

[kind ginkgo]

nop

just playing now a lil bit, but i usually dont play solos

and i'm definitely not insane 😆 , i'm average

[magic hinge]

nah bro you are insane

[kind ginkgo]

nah

in practice tool maybe 😆

[magic hinge]

6135600130166

fuck couldnt get the second id

nice teaming i guess

[karmic wolf]

you get the most fun out of doing complicated combos and you do not play solos?

https://tenor.com/view/cuckoo-jack-black-shallowhal-crazy-looney-gif-19733936

[magic hinge]

People have fun in different ways

[karmic wolf]

Thats exactly my point

[magic hinge]

But so much missed potential though

Imagine hitting that in game

With low hp

Insane comeback

[karmic wolf]

thats exactly my point

haha

geez

let see what he has to say

[magic hinge]

I just realised

In one of my games

I thirdpartied so hard, I got 5 kills with 7k damage

Insanity

[karmic wolf]

I think i never had 5 kills on my current rank ever 3 prolly tops

[magic hinge]

Flexing my runs rn

[magic hinge]

Sometimes you get lucky early

Sometimes you die super fast

I had around -70 rating in 10 games cuz I kept losing

10ganes in a row just losing early

[kind ginkgo]

i dont have fps outside practice tool

in game i got around 10

[magic hinge]

Bruh

This for example

[karmic wolf]

haha always get high kills with lil damage, do you get off on third partying?

[magic hinge]

Old pc?

[kind ginkgo]

laptop

low budget one at that

[karmic wolf]

damn, haha sadness just do not eat for a month and upgrade that PC, man totally doable

[magic hinge]

Nah not really, I actually very rarely get to third party

[kind ginkgo]

nah

not for me 😆

need my food to survive my sport life 😆

[magic hinge]

But wuchen ult spam on people is usually a confirmed kill

Can’t really kite that while being chased

[kind ginkgo]

depends on the hero

[magic hinge]

Usually usually

Always cases that say otherwise

[kind ginkgo]

some like kylin in v1 can just ignore it and counterattac

k

[magic hinge]

Well Justina v1 still freezes u, so yeah

Always exceptions

[karmic wolf]

oh I see, can you say what do you practice?

yeah wuchen ult is kinda OP, but right now is just justinas killing me pretty much

[magic hinge]

Yeah justina in yang is cancer

And playing Akos was too much for me

So I switched to hadi

Wuchen is more of random pick

If you see lots of lannie in lobby

Wuchen is prob a great pick

The ult vs ult for wuchen is too op in this case

[magic hinge]

Who do you main btw? Maybe I’ll try your main :))) as long as he has a combo break

[karmic wolf]

I like Tessa, Im not very good with her tbh, but she is my most played in solos by a long shot

[magic hinge]

Yo Tessa

I had a hard time using her

[karmic wolf]

thing is I feel like everyone can panic ult and turn the tides, and I can never do that

[magic hinge]

Temulch ult be like

V1 or v2?

[kind ginkgo]

volleyball, plus a lot of things, since i study sports to be a PE teacher 🙂

[magic hinge]

Yo volleyball player

Met in the wild

[kind ginkgo]

ye

[karmic wolf]

not the AoE one, not sure which one that is

[magic hinge]

Got it hard to use prob

People keep dodging, yeah?

[karmic wolf]

yeah pretty much, Im trying to hit on when I win neutral

you can land it after the launcher guaranteed

not sure if I can get more damage tho

[karmic wolf]

oh I see, I am a trainer myself mostly for weight lifting, I know nutrition and all the metabolic mumbo jumbo, so you can get your gains back after a month man, trust me

haha

[kind ginkgo]

nice!

[kind ginkgo]

ahahaha a rare beast 😆

[tawny hemlock]

how do you fight cyra in ult, I've seen some people run up and combo her but when I do it they justdon't get staggered

[kind ginkgo]

She is in constant purple focus, need to interrupt her with abilities

[tawny hemlock]

what abilities interrupt her or purple focus?

[kind ginkgo]

A wide range of them, like Kylin f, Lyam pull, tarka punch,...

Ults, all that staggers works usually

[tawny hemlock]

can tessa do it?

[kind ginkgo]

With ult yeah

Although you will have to wait for the charm

Cyras ult works in a way where she is constantly in purple focus unless when staggered /stunned 👍

[tawny hemlock]

charm?

you mean enchant?

[kind ginkgo]

?

Yes

[tawny hemlock]

idk I'm confused

[kind ginkgo]

Basically when part of their bar is pink 👍😂

[tawny hemlock]

I've never seen that lol

or maybe I' have and don't know what you mean

[kind ginkgo]

When you hit enemies with Tessa ult, they will be connected to a orb placed on your position and if they don't free themselves they will get charmed / enchanted for a while. When under the charm / enchant effect , part of their hp bar is pink

It equals to the amount of dmg u can output on them before they get forcibly snapped out of the cc

[rocky dove]

Can also freeze her with justina I was doing Justina cultivation yesterday and ran into a few Cyras and I just froze them and did simple combos then hit and run tactics

[kind ginkgo]

Yes u can

[lost dagger]

Just a reminder dojo signups are up and we finally added a SEA/AS timeslot
#🏋┃dojo-coaching message

[agile saddle]

Do glyph trees apply to all characters or do you have to do a separate one for each character?

[kind ginkgo]

The base page is shared for everyone, u can spend Tae and unlock up to 2 dedicated ones per hero if you want to make them specific

[agile saddle]

Ok so it's not necessary, then?

[mystic relic]

It depends really. You're probably going to run the same glyphs for most heros, mainly the stamina and rage branch.

The only difference would be if you play something like duos or trios. Maybe you want someone in your party to run the luck glyph for better loot and discount at the rift shop

Idk if many ppl run this one but perhaps for more of a support role ppl would run the revive glyph that allows you to revive faster (again idk if ppl even use this )

So yeah a general glyph should be ok for practically most heros. The only difference is if you want to be a bit of a "support" for the team and sacrifice part of the stamina or rage branch for something like luck

[agile saddle]

That makes sense. Thanks for the help!

[buoyant bluff]

Yeah no, 99% of the time you run stamina and rage

[rocky dove]

Nah go against the norm run Blue and Purple

[worthy dove]

theres a video about glyphs in pinned messages, it still up to date?

ive been running a different build in trios cos of it 😼

[limber sinew]

I've been playing this game for a month so I'm still new. Used to play quick matches until I was able to queue for ranked ones and usually ended up first or second. Once I reached 3000 points the game has become a lot more difficult and I've been struggling, I can barely deal any damage and die too quickly. Could anyone share any tips please?

[magic hinge]

You‘re gonna get a plethora of video links from Eranicks in a moment

After watching them, try to play some hard bots to try the new found knowledge out

And if you have friends make some lobbies and play

[limber sinew]

@magic hinge Thank you, much appreciated! 🙏

[radiant plinth]

https://youtu.be/MZw3aPhmgiE
https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU
https://youtu.be/3ERpDpM4tck
https://youtu.be/7vMIlhsdQuE

[magic hinge]

Where’s eranicks, he dead? Thx for the videos

[kind ginkgo]

Wym!!! 😂😂😂😂

[kind ginkgo]

I was out with the dog

[kind ginkgo]

Ty for subbing in kamf

[kind ginkgo]

The reason you are finding lobbies way more difficult is that there are less bots in your games now, and the skill gap with higher ranked players hits hard in a game like Naraka 👍

[magic hinge]

@kind ginkgo some Edward guy is trying to steal your identity, man

[kind ginkgo]

Where 😂

[magic hinge]

Imposter

[kind ginkgo]

😂😂

It's Poe's fault

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/iamtonytalks-tonytalks-antonio-baldwin-calling-call-the-police-gif-5076103129208771203

[tender elbow]

looking for Tian Hai tips and tricks

[magic hinge]

Don’t play solos

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Aero leveled up!

[broken stag]

If you missed parry, you can parry again with his skill (F2)

that's all I got for Tian Hai

but I think he out meta at the moment

can't play solos

probably need some CC or else people can roll out of his catch, so at least duos or trios

[kind ginkgo]

he only viable in transformer comps atm; but they are not that popular anymore

[grim shuttle]

hi, its better the first or the second ult for kylin zhang? (in duos)

[kind ginkgo]

depends

usually it's considered that v2 is better, but it also comports a huge risk. in my opinion v1 is the better one after the nerf 🤔

it has lower duration, but longer dmg windows and no risks because of you hurting yourself

[grim shuttle]

I got it, thank you

[kind ginkgo]

np

[magic hinge]

lol i got 404 matches and 4004 rating in solos

nice

[kind ginkgo]

coincidences?

i think not

[magic hinge]

A sign to stop playing solos

200+ in solos and then duos and trios everything else

But I know some people only play solos

[viral kiln]

What are your tips for fighting Kylin or Zai in yang when they have ult? I typically play wuchen or ziping and struggle when I can’t just run from their i win ults

I know zai has some animations you can tap dodge to punish but not exactly sure how to do that

[karmic wolf]

I would like to know what to do against zai ult too

[rocky dove]

Play zai aswell and play clash Royal with gold focus

[kind ginkgo]

Depends on the hero you are playing.

Ideally don't try to confront her unless you are using a stronger focus like Kylin ult to clash with it and win the exchange

Run away till it's expired (30 sec) or try and stun her, but never stand still close to her

To get away use scalerushing if possible, it's the fastest way you got to get away, and they can't interrupt you with grapples

[karmic wolf]

she can't grapple in that state?

[magic hinge]

She can

[karmic wolf]

all hail zai

what is her weakness?

[magic hinge]

Flying away with hadi

[karmic wolf]

hahaha

use the SS tier char, noted

[magic hinge]

You can prob use Justina v2 against her

But best strat is prob kite

In buildings zai v2 ult lacks verticality, so somewhere like mehtaab, kiting her is nice

Using temulch ult is also viable

[magic hinge]

Is Akos also ss? He also has purple and golden focus

[karmic wolf]

IDK someone here said he is punishable

I do not remember who

[magic hinge]

Don’t you play Tessa?

Drop the ult on her head

And start kiting

[karmic wolf]

I never encounter zais in 1v1s

[indigo mulch]

🎉 | Loyalight leveled up!

[karmic wolf]

zais always kill me with Kurumi in 2v2s

and I feel so hopeless

why pick zai if you can pick justina in 1v1s I guess

or wuchen

hadi

[magic hinge]

Oh, it‘s duos not solos

[karmic wolf]

I think even Akos is more popular than Zai in solos

[magic hinge]

Yeah, cus roar is a great combo starter and extender

And ult has golden focus on focus scalerush

[magic hinge]

Not a duo pro, but we play temulch and Takeda

[karmic wolf]

I play Kurumi and my friend plays Valda

[magic hinge]

But immortal kurumi + Zai is insane

[karmic wolf]

not a very good team IMO, since valda is pretty tanky herself

but thats how we roll

[magic hinge]

Valda + Zai is actually pretty nice also

[lunar gazelle]

yeah if u mix it with valda water stun ability , zai can get easy hit on enemy with her ult

[magic hinge]

And valda water also immediately dishes out all burn damage

[lunar gazelle]

it's good team

have you ever been in fight between 6 players and they spam blue focus constantly , pray once and you get all of them 😂

happened last night in 3ro match and saved us

[magic hinge]

Oh

Having a Takeda makes this easier

But I once had like 3 trio teams fighting and had an insane 4 parries

It was so random, I only saw 2 the other 2 were random longsword focuses I didn’t even see

[lunar gazelle]

feels so good 😂

[scarlet dew]

her weakness is she is literally useless if u have ult that has prio over her. and she's completely useless if u put her low hp.

[karmic wolf]

yeah we talked about using a stronger char, but I was asking about a general options

[scarlet dew]

i mean its not about stronger char

like takeda is not stronger than zai for instance

but as long as takeda has slashes he can get prio on zai and put her low

[magic hinge]

Temulch spam hahahaha

Sand and wind

:)))

[scarlet dew]

the dynamic of zai vs other heroes generally goes like: zai tries to exhaust ur charges or outlast ur ultimate and then get upper hand in the later part of her ult

so when u are takeda lets say, ur objective is to maximize value of ur slashes, while zai's objective is not take critical damage from slashes

for example its possible takeda can just slash once and with team follow up 100-0 zai

in one go

in a lot of cases it comes down to skill

how well can takeda pressure zai with his limited slashes vs how well zai can mitigate damage from slashes

when u burn everything and zai still has ult with good hp left

u lose

[viral kiln]

be me > play ziping >get boolied by zai > queue up again

[scarlet dew]

ye ziping is the worst hero in game against zai

u basically dont even have ult

[karmic wolf]

and what valda do vs zai?

[chrome cliff]

Just wave roll against zai

zai really isn't good in 1v1, unless you mess up your initial spacing

but once you're out of reach and staying out of reach, zai has a really hard time chasing you

her air attack and grapple attack are bad

once there is anything scarerushable, most zais choke hard

most zai players also have below average IQ

the really dumb ones will waste their burn right at the start and not even aim up, they getting countered by space bar

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-giggle-funny-the-office-haha-gif-4184600

[chrome cliff]

new players flock to zai and wuchen because these characters still feel impactful when you're bad at the game

waifugamers play zai and those with bad connection play wuchen

wuchens are way scarier cuz you can lose the whole fight in a coin flip

by definition, all wuchens have gold weapon, gold armor, juggernaut, desperation and lag

[karmic wolf]

yeah wuchens I face a lot in solos, zai is not very common in solos for me, but in duos I really have no idea what to do, Ill try the wave roll thing

[scarlet dew]

what

she's insane in 1v1

[chrome cliff]

duo players have a skill debuff compared to solo players

tbh space bar should counter 90% of all zais in duos

[chrome cliff]

that must be why she only gets picked 3 out of 72 times in jcup Solos at most

[scarlet dew]

solos format =/= 1v1

in solos she's useless coz she will die the moment she gets put low and needs reset

plain and simple

her ult does nothing for resetting

and she does nothing at 1 hp

[karmic wolf]

anyways before you start arguiing

thanks for the advice

ill try it out

[scarlet dew]

in team modes if u can isolate enemy in 1v1 with zai, u can kill them extremely quickly

[viral kiln]

[karmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[scarlet dew]

unless they are transformer basically

[chrome cliff]

press V for infinite hp and win neutral when her ult is out

valda really shouldn't struggle against zai

[karmic wolf]

That is what I thought she has tons of HP, but oh wells

my friend sucks then

haha

[scarlet dew]

though zai can also burst down valda shield really quickly

[chrome cliff]

yup, probably skill issue

[scarlet dew]

the 20% burn chunks the shield

[chrome cliff]

most zais won't even target the valda but her teammate

[scarlet dew]

this is true and its best play in most cases

[chrome cliff]

since it's pointless to go for valda when you can kill someone with no extra HP

[scarlet dew]

but when there is opprtunity, zai can nuke valda really quick

same with monk

zai is not great against monk

but if she gets opportunity she can put several thousands of dmg

on him

since her burn scales with hp

[chrome cliff]

in a 1v1, zai cannot send her burn vs valda

[karmic wolf]

yeah that is exactly the issue, they focus me, I play Kurumi in duos, and he cannot get her away from me, and I die

EVERY single time

[chrome cliff]

valda can react punish with spear

maybe your friend hasn't noticed that zai stands still all of the time

and valda has ranged stagger

[karmic wolf]

yeah, just keep pushing the skill issue theory

haha

[chrome cliff]

but tbh even in a 1v2 you can survive decently with kurumi

[scarlet dew]

zai can also dodge out of her burn

before having to finish anim

[chrome cliff]

you have 2x gold focus on ult cast, you can tether for DR or jump away with flmb

and you should be on wave roll

[karmic wolf]

Yeah I guess is the wave roll thing im screwing up

never tried it

[chrome cliff]

your ult even cleanses the burn

[karmic wolf]

yeah but my ult finish and zai is still half

[chrome cliff]

unless you're afk getting hit by zai + 1 and your teammate is also afk, you should be able to survive against most zai ults

not considering loot differences

I like to kite and shoot vs zai

[karmic wolf]

well I cannot zai abot the loot difference but has happened more than I like to admit

[chrome cliff]

some are so bad that they will always juet barely miss you

[karmic wolf]

I ult, my circle dissappears, and then the zai kills me

[chrome cliff]

while you shoot their armor off

[scarlet dew]

u need to delay ult as long as possible, make her waste first 5-10 sec

without taking too much hp dmg

then u put down ur ult

and when ult is ending u wanna pull out of circle and kite her a few more sec

u should basically waste her ult entirely

without taking much, if any damage

kurumi is one of the best heroes against zai

[karmic wolf]

well need to gitgud then, I guess Ill pick zai to see her openings probably is just that I am not seeing when is my turn again

[scarlet dew]

that being said, kurumi is basically played by entire lobby in trios

she's unbelieveably broken

[karmic wolf]

she is the only full support character, normally you like this in your team

[scarlet dew]

against kurumi u need to basically either oneshot someone (except a lot of times it wont even guarantee win, due to her link being able to res easily) or force her circle out while committing minimal resources

if u pop 2-3 ults

and she puts down circle

u basically trade 2-3 ults for 1

and instantly lose

[karmic wolf]

she also cannot kill you

not considering skill difference ofc

[scarlet dew]

she can kinda abuse her gold focus tho

into parry out of gold

can be very nasty

[karmic wolf]

her gold focus into parry? can you explain that

[scarlet dew]

this is a general mechanic in the game. if u are in gold focus state and u input parry, u will parry out of gold

with basically no delay inbetween

e.g. if u holdcheck kurumba and she fails parry into ult

and u release some multihit attack

she can just parry end of active frame

out of gold

she';s not the only hero that can do it ofc

[karmic wolf]

Oh I did not know this

thanks for the info

[scarlet dew]

but she has more access than most heroes

can do it 2 times with her ult

and 1 time with dmg reduction F activation

[karmic wolf]

Why 2 times with ult?

[scarlet dew]

first time when u cast

and then when u replace again

[karmic wolf]

ohhh

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[scarlet dew]

so for instance if enemy is holdchecking

u can parry into ult

and u probably parry for free

since enemy will likely just release overhold

and generally speaking there is not enough time to release after parry active frames, but before u can cast soft-combo breaking ability

[karmic wolf]

you have no idea the times I died due to people just charging while Im ulting, and I just try to dodge, had no idea about this mechanic

[scarlet dew]

the key is to not press nothing

just sit in gold and parry

and do normal parry

[karmic wolf]

yeah makes sense

[scarlet dew]

not crouch or jump parry etc

[karmic wolf]

Cool

thanks

[scarlet dew]

also most heroes have longer gold frames if u press nothing

u can literally just ult and watch enemy

while having 70% dmg reduction (most heroes have 70% DR when casting ult)

yueshan is the craziest example

he gets iframe when transforming

but if u dont touch any buttons

he will have some like 5 sec iframe

[karmic wolf]

was not 90% for gold focus IIRC?

[scarlet dew]

its not dependent on focus level

it varies by ult

[karmic wolf]

I see

[scarlet dew]

e.g. wuchen TP has 90%

tarka at one point had 50% only

[kind ginkgo]

So true 🤔😂😂😂😂

[scarlet dew]

but then they buffed him

to 70%

lannie in V1 has 30% i believe

last time i checked

when she is in ult already i mean

when she activates should be 70%

[karmic wolf]

where do you check this?

[scarlet dew]

valda has 0% while in ult

[karmic wolf]

Is not on skill info, right?

[scarlet dew]

nowhere, u need to know it by testing or someone tells u

[karmic wolf]

damn

the gold focus cancel parry is also like that, I guess? I do not remember it on the tutorial

[scarlet dew]

oh and if u pay attention to patch notes u can learn

a lot of time there is 0 info about some mechanic

then in patch notes can be something like "increased dmg resistance from 50% to 70% while ulting" for x hero

then u can know the value

[karmic wolf]

Yeah thats how I found Kurumi defense buff

I joined when it was reduced from 90 to 70

had no idea it was 90

freaking strong

and there I was picking atk buff

like a mentally challenged

[scarlet dew]

ye atk buff kurumba thats xd

is borderline useless that F

while her DR F is basically ult

[karmic wolf]

those numbers should be in the freaking game

who would have thought it was freaking 90%

and I never used it

[scarlet dew]

they should be in game

but also if everybody plays certain F

there is usually some reason behind it

and if u dont understand it, u should try to test it to find out

[karmic wolf]

right now I am using the new armor heal

seems pretty neat

to me

[scarlet dew]

ye f1 rn is very good and easy to use

very quick cooldown too

strong early game

[karmic wolf]

is her burst ult usable in any situation?

I find it, pretty bad

[scarlet dew]

hm some ppl played around with it

is kinda okayish

but her circle ult is omega insane

is one of the most busted things in game

full circle ult basically u heal 3k armor

[karmic wolf]

I think the burst one should require way less energy to be worth it

maybe then she can play solos

[scarlet dew]

burst ult costs 20% less rage

than circle

and u can start generating rage faster too

[karmic wolf]

less than that

[scarlet dew]

since after u pop it, u can already start gaining

[karmic wolf]

like Tessa you should be able to double burst in one fight

maybe then she can solo

[scarlet dew]

prob would be competitive at that point