🔱┃weapons-combat

[viscid kelp]

I figured that was implied

[split spire]

the whole idea of the ai is to make fair judgements lol

compare to low ping vs low ping scenario

print the result thats aligned with that

i.e player sent 123 other player parried u want to confirm which version of the clients is correct: compare this to what would happen when low ping vs low ping do this. Get result out.

[viscid kelp]

and the whole counter point is that there is no judgement that is 100% fair and makes sense for both people unless they're on LAN

[split spire]

for example rn

if someone rubberbands me after i dodge out from a missed parry because i parried early

and on their screen they sent the attack before my parry end frames finished

then thats fair

yeah i got rubberbanded, but then i can just tell myself "dont miss the next parry"

there is some advice i can give myself

not the bs that happens rn when player sends 123 and i parry and it fails and im like what could have i done? (dodge? rubberband. Parry in prediction? doesnt work) yeah just lose ig

[viscid kelp]

Okay so in your world you would need to be able to parry the 123
But due to your high ping, this would take so long that the enemy would alr have hit you on their screen, just to be told "actually nevermind he parried"

So what you describe would just be rollback netcode

Where's the AI

and it still fucks over the other guy

so where's the fairness and logic

[split spire]

it doesnt

the other guy got punished

looks bad on their screen sure fair yes

[viscid kelp]

Extend your logic to other interactions
He'd see you get staggered, would likely cue an uppercut in response, then you'd turn blue cuz of rollback

No

It's not fair

and makes no sense

It's just full rollback netcode

Not a shitty AI

and full rollback netcode is understood

including its flaws

[split spire]

game shouldnt play stagger animation until its verified.

it should still stagger

but without the animation

just hidden in the client

[viscid kelp]

it was verified

then rolled back

that's the point

[split spire]

i mean verified after the rollback xd

aka after enemy ping period finishes

[viscid kelp]

Then he would have his ping + your ping of delay on every interaction

that is

even worse

[split spire]

no thats where im saying animation wise it shouldnt stagger but on client it should treat it as stagger

but without cues

its kinda like delaying dmg numbers

but everything else is the same

just the numbers show later

[viscid kelp]

So animation and game logic should be decoupled and game logic should have the delay of both ppl's ping combined
That is even worse than the even worse before

and I still don't see how AI fixes the resulting desync

[split spire]

better judgment

[viscid kelp]

that one person sees bullshit on their screen that can lead to false decisions

[viscid kelp]

You do not understand why desync exists and it shows

[split spire]

for example if i send rmb to trap ur dodge but ur ping is too low the server saw ur held blue focus before my rmb even reached the server regular netcode will make it so u just held the blue fine and tanked my rmb. AI will see something wrong with this and rollback

[meager trail]

one more clip into my ''naraka game design being top tier'' folder

[viscid kelp]

The judgement being in favor of one person or another is one topic
The problem is that both clients do not receive the judgement in real time. This creates a discrepancy where something makes sense on your screen, but the server decides it was incorrect, sends the information to adjust the situation to your client and suddenly the things on your screen make no sense

The judgement plays no role in this

one person always eats crap with desync

and it gets worse with higher ping/more desync

and no matter how you AI-ify the judgement this will stay the same

[split spire]

this creates rubberbands yes BUT there are FAIR rubberbands and UNFAIR ones

without AI u cant tell them apart

AI would act as a real time judge to see if this rubberband is fair or not

u do NOT rubberband a player who reaction parried a 123

so the rubberbanded will be in favor of the defender

and the attacker gets rubberbanded instead

and other times its the opposite

u cant just code all these scenarios manually

u need AI for this

[viscid kelp]

Again, back to my example with the catch
You catch someone and the server doesn't consider them blue, so it tells your client to play the stagger and hit animations
Then however it realizes on low ping they would be blue, so it tells your client that you didn't actually stagger

This would make no sense to the catching person

If you say delay the decision, everyone would have horrible desync due to the pings being added, computation overhead and response time

If you say just immediately compensate the blue hold for the ping, ppl on high ping would suddenly snap into blue focus out of nowhere for their enemies, also making no sense

You see how the delay of the network causes one person to always see something illogical?

Something illogical that can produce errors in decision making

We see illogical things too (shoutouts to @meager trail) but your solution is not a solution

[viscid kelp]

At least that one is kinda consistent tho

[meager trail]

i swear you won't even be able to remember how many times you have to shout ''what the fuck just happened'' if you watch just one of my game from my pov

literally anything can happens

nothing makes sense anymore

blue white red dodging jumping crouching whatever, doesn't matters

the outcomes gonna be random

[unreal wyvern]

i liked how u clanked with justina ult before it was even cast

[meager trail]

just another day in naraka

i'm actually considering redownload the game because what Takao said about i downloaded the 0.5 version of naraka actually makes more sense than what's happening in my games at this point

[split spire]

except u should know true catches from untrue catches...

so it would boil down to skill issue

why did u even attempt to catch someone in an untrue way

u knew ur trap was slow

u should expect a held blue

[viscid kelp]

Considering even CN pros hit into people in blue focus because they thought a catch might work when it didn't, I wanna doubt that everyone has a god sent gift of knowing every single catch interaction

In Naraka you just have an absurd freedom of action out of certain states (such as holding blue)
You can cancel it at any time and so can your enemy
Knowing for every single possible choice whether it can be caught is impossible, and if the server rolls back based on ping it becomes even worse

[split spire]

bro u guys at low ping parry i catch u while ur still glowing red in a light attack and ur blue hold registers

do u realize

how absurd

that is

it cant get worse than this

[viscid kelp]

Yes
I directly said we see illogical things rn
And we could turn things around in favor of higher ms
But then low ping would be worthless and everyone would just boost to high ms, which then would cause a whole other range of bullshit and desync

An AI still can't fix that

It would still look fucked on somebody's screen

[split spire]

this isnt just looking fked on my screen

its unfair too

there is a huge difference between looking fked and actually being unfair

[viscid kelp]

It would be unfair either way because things that look fked lead to wrong decisions

[split spire]

there is no decision in my example. U get hit during parry animation lock frames ur getting combo'd

when u allow players to dodge or F or hold blue

mid anim lock

thats unfair and bs

[viscid kelp]

It's not mid anim lock for them or the server, just for you because of desync

caused by ping

no AI can fix

now you getting it

[split spire]

server should correct in this instance and rubberband lol

thats a fair rubberband

u either make it unfair and look fked or make it fair and look fked

[viscid kelp]

Good then it looks fucked to them and so do interactions such as the catch I mentioned, where the audio visual feedback is paramount to knowing whether a catch worked

[split spire]

i'd always pick fair and fked

[viscid kelp]

it's

not

fair

when they make mistakes

based on wrong audio visual feedback

[split spire]

THERE IS NO INPUT U CAN DO

if ur in parry anim lock

thats it

no inputs

u get hit by attacker in these frames

[split spire]

its over

[split spire]

U do not have to include all scenarios bruh lmao

u can work ur way out slowly

fix parry interactions first

because they are so fkin straightforward

[viscid kelp]

Tarka, Lyam, Takeda players would disagree

[split spire]

and dw they wont

u have plenty of time to realize wtf happened

parry punish is giga slow

[viscid kelp]

considering the amt of transmission and computation overhead your suggestions has

no

Also didn't you talk abt light atk catching someone out of parry in the first place

[split spire]

i think parry interactions can even be coded the old fashioned way no AI

cuz they are extremely simple

[viscid kelp]

I see you speak of your years of experience with netcode

(and AI)

[split spire]

code is literally just a way to translate commands into something a computer can understand i may not have enough knowledge regarding the translation process itself but i can definitely tell you in english wtf needs to happen.

[viscid kelp]

Looking forward to your genius being used by game companies across the globe

[upbeat wagon]

How do U do the katana float?

[meager trail]

its duration is long enough for the ''immune to freeze'' effect on your target to wear off

so you freeze target with ur dash > do this combo > freeze them again and repeat

if ur fps is high enough you can do more jump horizontal, i can't get pass 3 though

but iirc you just need to do 2x jh and the immune to freeze effect wore off already

[hexed urchin]

can someone help see why rolling during grapple combo? friends been playing forever and suddenly the other day can't get the combo working, was never issue b4

[upbeat wagon]

Howe much fps do I need for it to wokr consistently?

[meager trail]

honestly i don't know

[upbeat wagon]

Do U press anything during the grapple? to not roll? (A or D)

[upbeat wagon]

aight

[meager trail]

nah

[meager trail]

was you holding W when grapple?

[upbeat wagon]

So I pre input an uppercut during the grapple?

[trim sail]

for me it looks like u grapple too late

[meager trail]

no

just precise timing

on 2nd uppercut

[hexed urchin]

Nope, no W

[upbeat wagon]

aight cool ty Ill get to it

[meager trail]

oh i forget to mention you gonna need to hold W from the moment you input the first air horizontal

[upbeat wagon]

Only on the first and then I let go of W? I always wondered why I cant do as many jh after an uppercut xD

[meager trail]

no you hold w all the way

[upbeat wagon]

okay

[meager trail]

from the 1st air horizontal til the end, actually you can start to hold w after 2nd uppercut

and aiming a little bit to the right, it's easier to make target floats if you do so

[upbeat wagon]

okay

[meager trail]

1st and 2nd attempt you grapple too close
3rd and 4th attempt you grapple too late
then grapple too close again
last one looks alright to me but idk what's the reason for the roll if you didn't hold w

maybe try holding A/D after uppercut

also you don't need to be too fast on grapple combo, getting the timing right is the most important

[hexed urchin]

Ok, thank you! Kept trying and turned out to be W after all 😁

[trim sail]

you will roll if you hold W or S

[upbeat wagon]

and reason why a grapple combo with acca does less dmg than the one with quick dash?

1419 and 1430

with air grapple as well 1419 an 1430

[meager trail]

light attacks dmg variates

on ur 1st combo it does 121+110
2nd combo it does 121+121

i think it depends on the distance between you and target

when ur attack hits

the closer you are to target, the less dmg the attack

or it's just random lmfao idk

[upbeat wagon]

xD

Do I jump too high? I get bosted forward so much

[meager trail]

if you don't do grapple then you'd need to delay the air horizontal input abit

[upbeat wagon]

ah okay. Im always tryna learn comboes bit by bit and since imo the double uppercut is hardest ILl try to get the jh first

[meager trail]

so you hits all 2 hits, that'll keep the target close enough to you so you can hit the second air horizontal

on ur clip u only hit 1

[upbeat wagon]

What do u mean?

I cut the combo in two parts I can learn: Double uppercut (wich imo is harder) and the air horzontals wich I tried to hit 3 of in the clip. UI can only ever get 2 to connect tho before the bot doged out of it

[meager trail]

on this
notice ur hit count on the right
when you uppercut and do air horizontal you're supposed to hit twice (katana air horizontal got 2 hits)
but you only hit 1

[upbeat wagon]

ooooh true

[meager trail]

because you hit ur 1st hit too soon

the target got knocked too high up and too far away

so you missed the 2nd hit

and leads to the second air horizontal being slow (you hit it when target already falls onto the ground)

[upbeat wagon]

aight got it

[meager trail]

that's why you use grapple and 2nd uppercut, not only to get more dmg but also make it easier to get the timing right

cuz you just input them continuously, don't need to delay anything

[upbeat wagon]

ah okay. Then ig ill learn the second uppercut first

I always roll after the grapple. The timing for the c.V is tricky :O

[meager trail]

at first don't think about holding w

just get the 2nd uppercut right first

u heard the bump > crouch vertical

[upbeat wagon]

I normally hold / press D but I dont do it now. During grapple Im holding nothing I guess I just need to get the timing down

[meager trail]

yeah you don't need to be crazy fast for this, precise timing is the most important part

double uppercuts should be the easy part, the hard part is the air horizontal into jlmb into jlmb, this part is very fps dependant

iirc i saw someone able to pull off like 5x

[upbeat wagon]

I training grounds I have around 150fps average. INgame its probs gonna be around 120-130

[meager trail]

but 3 is my max lol

[meager trail]

that's tough

probably not viable even

[upbeat wagon]

welp

how many frames u got?

[meager trail]

think i got like 190 in training room

[upbeat wagon]

damn

[meager trail]

but my fps isn't stable though

[upbeat wagon]

Ill hop into a match and see how much I get rn

[meager trail]

tbh it's still worth to learn because in matches sometimes terrain is in your favor

[upbeat wagon]

oh for sure

So around 120 to 130 like I thought

[meager trail]

yeah it's rly tough

[upbeat wagon]

That around imperium and it does drop to 115 occasionaly...

[meager trail]

yeah...

welp

gotta work with what we have

[upbeat wagon]

jeah

[meager trail]

yeah it's sux to be a naraka player w/o a x3d cpu

😭

[upbeat wagon]

Welp christmas and my bday is coming up.... maybe some1 is generous on my 18th :O

got a big fam

I wouldnt even know what to upgrade first tho 😭

[meager trail]

[meager trail]

def get a x3d cpu first

[upbeat wagon]

16Gb ram is kinda meh. CPU copuld use one too but I tink the 3060ti is still fine

[meager trail]

7800 or 9800x3d

[meager trail]

yeah if u play on fhd full low 3060ti is more than enuf

[upbeat wagon]

ay I need to save my money more

and ram is like 100 too 🫡

[meager trail]

if you're running intel atm then when you switch to amd you gonna need a new AM5 mobo too

[upbeat wagon]

If I change my CPU and ran I'll need a new Mainboard and maybe a new UPS regardless

Maybe even a new case

[meager trail]

🤣

might aswell be a new pc at that point

[upbeat wagon]

Jeah fr. My Mainboard is incompatible with the 7 7800x3d so that's why. When I upgrade that I'll need ddr5 ram.... It just keeps on going x

Just need to work part time again and save for a year or smth.

I searched up the parts and it equals to around 1000€ +- 150€.

My PC cost me 1.2k when I got it 🫡

[split spire]

dashing horizontal light attack deals more damage than standing horizontal light attack. When u ACCA u reset ur state to "standing" instead of "dashing"

if u tap dodge backwards, and attack the game treats it as a mini dash

and gives u dashing animation and dashing dmg value

if u tap dodge to the front and attack game treats it as a standing attack

[upbeat wagon]

interesting thanks

[meager trail]

that's just one thing though

first try standing h does more dmg than dashing h
second try standing h does less dmg than dashing h

[viscid kelp]

walking is diff too

and walking state is a bit

eh

generous

[lusty cosmos]

I changed my cpu and had to get new motherboard and ram

[meager trail]

so this is what gonna happen if you play naraka on lan? or is this kind of parry only exists when fighting bots? 🥹

[split spire]

yeah..\

pretty much

u dont even need LAN thats how the game works in CN

[meager trail]

funny how they make us fight bots all the times only for us to find out later that none of what we did will work on human player

funny how watching high lvl gameplay and try to learn from them turned out to be useless because you can't reach the same fps and/or having the same ping

[split spire]

its not useless because it makes u know what ur opponent who is on low ping is trying to achieve

and try to counter with the extremely limited options u have

[meager trail]

i watch mike and holy f enemy's 123 was sooo sloooow on his screen, like the window for the parry is so wide

[split spire]

I know when they attempt to hold dodge parry

ik when they attempt crouch parry on things like fan H

and i can punish both

by prediction ofc

1 hr early prediction

[meager trail]

yeah with ur 7800x3d

xd

[split spire]

yeah well its doing work closing the gap

the ping gap is still massive tho

[meager trail]

well unless u're yellow/redbaring, fps is still way more important

i don't feel that much different between my 50-55ms on sea and 75-80ms on AS

but i tried my friend's 9800x3d setup and it's a completely different game

my inputs register way easier and snappier, literally 2x the speed of my potato pc

[upbeat wagon]

Jeah in my case it would be the same

[split spire]

its not tbh

ping opens neutral options

fps opens combos

i'd rather pick neutral over combos anyday

[dim abyss]

What is optimal sky punch combo?

[viscid kelp]

dmg wise prob this

consistency wise prob this

But honestly you can kinda just pull sht out your arse with this jade

[tacit zodiac]

Hey there does anyone have a list for combos for every weapon that currently work ? I can’t seem to find a current combo Video on YT

[dim abyss]

Pins

[jade gull]

Marko make a new combo

[dim abyss]

Me make a combo? Unlikely

[dim abyss]

Thank u takao

[upbeat wagon]

Not remotely worth doing but felt hella cool

You can probably juggle longer and get a second E from ult but I cant even do two uppercuts lmao

[pure steppe]

Hi all, is dualblades rmb into swap katana lmb into a combo true? I keep getting hit or seeing some cracked solo players do it. Ik one way to do it is crouch swap but when i try it it ends up being too slow or i miss the crouch animation, is it a timing thing, and how do they do it so fast?

[undone anchor]

It is, yeah

It is also pretty easy to pull off 👍👍

The execution is all based on timing. And it is indeed a crouch swap 👍

https://youtu.be/MrON5hzVTe8?si=ffuiJcGrKDXMGx3A

Here they explain it with also inputs shown if u want 👍

[pure steppe]

Thanks, I will have a look at it

[pure steppe]

so should work on the dodgin training dummy?

[undone anchor]

Yes

As long as it's a true combo it works on that

[tacit zodiac]

Thank you

[pure steppe]

strangely i find swapping with number keys in this combo more do-able than using the scroll wheel, any reasoning behind it?

[undone anchor]

Preference

I use both depending on the combo

It's mostly personal preference and comfort

[pure steppe]

i prefer scroll wheel, i guess ill try to get it down with the scroll wheel and stick to that

[undone anchor]

👍

[charred cobalt]

why i cant do heaven step

or i need some item to do that

[dim abyss]

this is a thing u can actually do

[lusty cosmos]

They changed gravity a while ago and made certain combos like heaven step not doable anymore

[dim abyss]

to someone without a combo breaker

you can ToD on valda

and it is worth doing because it is a guaranteed kill

i don't know the actual combo to tell u how, i don't play valda, but i've been killed like this in yang

[split spire]

u use double uppercut

with valda

after first jlmb enemy becomes spearable again

so u have an infinite

[undone anchor]

Can't anymore. Grapple speed activation after a slide uppercut on katana got slowed down. The whole reason of this change was to kill heavenstep

[undone anchor]

I know a few if u need 👍👍

[upbeat wagon]

Fr? I thought that wasting ult would be kinda nonsense since u can most likely get equal damage with a float combo (Wich I cant do tho)

I cant get the timing in the second uppercut... Idk if its me or my fps or smth else

[viscid kelp]

It's you

[upbeat wagon]

thought so :O

[upbeat wagon]

Im used to pressing D shortzly before the bumpo to not roll. Now I just roll (since I mistime the crouch? )

[viscid kelp]

As long as your uppercut has no momentum (you didn't press W/A/S/D during the uppercut) you shouldn't need to do that at all

[upbeat wagon]

And I do c.V as soon as I HEAR the bump?

[viscid kelp]

Yeah

[upbeat wagon]

aight

[upbeat wagon]

dude

thank you

I was always doing acca while holding W. I didnt even notice it until I put my overlay on and rewatched it... That why I always roll

[viscid kelp]

Yeah, even during attacks inputting movement will cause your character to slightly move
Whenever an uppercut has this movement, a subsequent grapple bump will result in a roll (unless you hold A/D, shift or ctrl+movement key)
It's pretty specific to know that in fairness

[upbeat wagon]

dang. Thanks again :D

I only got it to connect once so far but now I just need to practice it

btw is there any good reason to learn 211 ?

[viscid kelp]

No problem
In some situations a grapple bump may not be viable, for example when there's upwards terrain in front of you, so there 211 can help to still get good damage

[upbeat wagon]

makes sense

[meager trail]

this combo never works for me 🤣

[upbeat wagon]

I just noticed if I record with OBS I lose like 30 frames 😭

[meager trail]

i use nvidia shadowplay

[upbeat wagon]

I record obs If I play w friends or hear music and record with medal otherwise

is shadowplay good?

[meager trail]

well it's alright ig

[upbeat wagon]

Can u record multiple audio tracks?

[viscid kelp]

The float you can defo hit, but the focus on free training bot idk

[meager trail]

idk my first horizontal after landing never seems to floats target high enough for the 2nd to keep them in the air

[meager trail]

u can

[upbeat wagon]

ou okay maybe ill try it then. I just tried medal with only 60fps and 720p. I lose like 10 frames instead of 30

but if shadowplay is better I might just switch

[viscid kelp]

It's a combination of aiming for a high grapple bump by aiming closer to yourself but not too close, and holding W during the 2nd uppercut for the right amt of time
The 1-2 float is defo very doable, but the final focus on bot I legitimately don't know. Even with some ancient camera manipulation tech it doesn't seem to land. On players you'd have better chances, or you just do 1-2-3 with vert 3

(Capped my fps to 180 via nvidia control panel and raised my ping to roughly match yours)

[upbeat wagon]

Any optimizations I can do to get more fps? Depending on the map I only get like 110 fps averager ingame. Everything on low besides textures, aa and post processing.

[viscid kelp]

You could try to do some PBO tuning, which is AMD CPU specific minor overclocking
But realistically your performance seems in line with what I'd expect out of your PC. On my 5700X I had similar frames, esp when recording

[upbeat wagon]

Aight checks out. Im working to upgrade soon tho so in like 4 months it should be better

[viscid kelp]

If you have the money for it, an X3D AMD CPU will do wonders

For some reason Naraka is cache hungry as hell

[upbeat wagon]

Yeah 7 7800x3d is the goal. I have to upgrade my motherboard tho. Ram as well

[viscid kelp]

Solid, that will near triple your ingame fps with some minor tuning (and if your GPU can keep up)

[upbeat wagon]

If I upgrade my CPU I basically need to upgrade my whole setup xD. And I think the 3060ti is still fine so I'm gonna do it last

[viscid kelp]

Yeah I've been there
Just sold my old PC to a friend at that point

And yeah the 3060Ti should be fine esp with stuff like DLSS

[upbeat wagon]

I got mine like 4ish years ago and it's time to upgrade now. gonna sell the party I replace online or smth

[split spire]

its both ping and fps sensitive.

[meager trail]

i give up 😂 if it's that hard to get in training room then it's definitely impossible in matches where my fps be like 120 and ping be like 60 70ms

[dim abyss]

if u wanna be sure

just tap dodge immediately after you use grapple

and no matter what you will not roll

[upbeat wagon]

Also would y'all go with Valdas combo breaker or her other F?

[meager trail]

her combo breaker

[upbeat wagon]

Aight cuz sometimes it feels better being able to get a free combo starter etc

[meager trail]

her F1 animation is slow, when you face experienced people they can react dodge it so it's quite ineffective as combo starter
it mostly was used as a combo extender but then you gotta be very confident in your neutral, cuz you got no combo breaker now so you're also at the risk of getting TOD'ed

[undone anchor]

F1 charged activation is now somewhat decent TBF 🤔👍

[sly ore]

charging the f1 is bad because if enemy steps into a small bubble, they get immunity against the large bubble for a while

if you play f1 it's best to space a bit to not get interrupted while throwing it or place it on the ground for healing inside or around it

I play f1, but f2 is objectively better, at least for most players

you can flick your camera and the enemy will step into your f2 when they try to combo you

the ability wins neutral by rewarding you for losing neutral, its totally stupid

every time you catch someone like that with f2, a faerie dies in Narnia

that's why I play f1

[upbeat wagon]

Im used to not playing w a combo breaker so Im probably gonna stick with F1 for combo extensions

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Bird leveled up!

[junior frigate]

does this nunchuk combo still work ?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Ossy leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[junior frigate]

i cant land the last V charge

[viscid kelp]

It does

[ancient wedge]

Alright bros, I'm dropping a rant on y'all about something cause I'm bored.
Based on my killstreaks alone, longsword is the best weapon. Here's why: It's charged attacks are too good. They're fast ranged attacks that are powerful. And wonky. To the point it's stupid. The vertical works too well, the horizontal is garbage unless you're on level ground.
I'm convinced bot land is real because of it too sometimes. Even if I still love it.
Cause you all always run into the vertical slashes. It's so rare to see someone dodge lol. But it also is what convinces me they're real lol. All the bots don't dodge, it's why my killstreaks with it are so good.
Also it's got the most stylish swordplay.
And heng swordplay is literally the most realistic swordplay of the whole game.

Most stylish weapon is definitely ummmm... the spear.

Best visual combos, mid weapon otherwise. They're all mid honestly. There's barely any differences in power.
The best utility is the greatsword and polesword. Cause they can block and store up power attacks with it. But it's bad cause all the experienced players are too good at countering. Or just taking a break from hitting ya lol. It works both ways.

[upbeat wagon]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/lfz7jTqSpZelOOE-J?invite=cr-MSwwVUUsMTY5NTg3NTM4&v=33

Just need to find some1 w/o a combo breaker and do this shi

hope it doesnt stutter but looks fine to me

[undone anchor]

Longsword is a good weapon, mostly for it's combo potential. Focus attacks on the other hand are pretty bad. Small hitbox, reactable, slow 🤔,...

Neutral is nice tho, and it has a nice scale rush aswell

A tier weapon for sure 🤔👍

[split spire]

longsword is S tier with engraving

and A tier with hepta

otherwise its a pretty mid weapon

you said spear is mid but spear is literally better than longsword

[naive trout]

What about uh

Fan

With unseen current

[split spire]

my weapon tierlist for 1v1:

SS Tier - Nunchucks, Fistblade
S Tier - Staff, Knives
A Tier - Spear, Dual Halberds, Dual Blades
B Tier - Longsword, Hengsword, Dagger, Fan, Polesword
C Tier - Katana, Greatsword

[split spire]

the other jade is better

soulshatter

soulshatter makes fan S tier

[naive trout]

[split spire]

because it turns fan from a non-combo weapon to a combo weapon

[split spire]

btw new whip sword is S tier

because it solves longsword's issue of the blue being tap dodge punishable

its like a longsword with a perma hepta that deals rly good dmg instead of healing

combo potential is the same as longsword

exactly the same

[upbeat wagon]

Id agree but I'd probably switch fan to C (without jades). I don't play fan as much tho so that's that. Also been avoiding fistblades altho they are so damn good

[split spire]

The biggest strength for fistblade is being able to “hold check F skills and ultimates”

Something like Akos

Akos in ult is usually unbeatable

Unless u have fist blades

Or against viper with her silence F

[split spire]

Nah fan cannot be c

Extremely good chip dmg weapon

On a character like cyra u can kill ur enemy without winning neutral once just off chip damage

The strength of weapons like fan dagger polesword and great sword is that they essentially make enemy combo breakers low impact

[dim abyss]

Fan is super good

[split spire]

We are talking about 1v1s which makes questioning fan strength a real point

In trios or duos there is like no question

However even in 1v1s it has its strengths

[unreal wyvern]

so what u are saying is

fan is fantastic?

[dim abyss]

ahh my bad

i didn't see it is for 1v1

i am thinking mostly for teamfights

[split spire]

I wouldn’t rank fan B rank in team modes xd

It would be SS

[dim abyss]

i love fist blades man

[split spire]

It and knives are both SS

[dim abyss]

i think knives

are better

personally

i always prioritize knives when i can

unless i have some op jade for another weapon

nowras what are ur top 3 favorite weapon attack jades to find?

im curious

[split spire]

Engraving engraving engraving

xd

[dim abyss]

i see xd

[split spire]

For solos sht is op

In trios I’d rather have merciless or something

Or cloud weaver

Or blistering edge

[unreal wyvern]

rupture in trios goated

[dim abyss]

mine personally hepta detach is one of the top ones

or dreadful

[unreal wyvern]

willform hook also

[split spire]

Yeah

[dim abyss]

besides the obvious trios picks like merciless and every other weapon's variant of that jade

[split spire]

Will form is beyond busted

[dim abyss]

yeaa

[split spire]

Animation lock for days

[dim abyss]

thunder portal does the same shit too

if u land it on someone they as good as dead

[split spire]

I haven’t experimented with polesword’s jade much

Cuz solos

[dim abyss]

just slower to land, but at least you can soft feint it into light attack

like heng horizontal

[split spire]

I love blistering tbh even in solos

[dim abyss]

it's like 4s animation lock that isnt broken by other blue attacks

so......

[split spire]

Damn…

[unreal wyvern]

dual blades shadestone

[dim abyss]

is that the gold focus XXL blistering edge basically?

[split spire]

In solos I like seeing engraving Calvary bloom and soulshatter/assassin lunge

The most

[dim abyss]

ohh yea cavalry is good too

[split spire]

It’s funny

They are all purple

[dim abyss]

yeah

but they are more impactful than some gold ones

[split spire]

Sap + engraving + juggernaut + vajra = ur set for life

Or calv

Or engraving + hepta

A lot of people don’t know engraving combos

[dim abyss]

i don't know them

tell me please

[split spire]

One of the best engraving combos is carrousel into JLmB engraving xd

No one uses it which is wild

It’s consistent and strong asf

2k dmg

On gold weapon

[dim abyss]

maybe i should practice to get carousel down consistently

[dim abyss]

which is wild for longsword

a low dmg per hit weapon

[split spire]

U can do non-211 version it’s super consistent

[dim abyss]

if u have a clip

can u send it

[split spire]

I don’t have but I can explain

[dim abyss]

ok

[split spire]

RMB shift RMB uppercut grapple ground wait for a very small brief moment depends on ur fps and ping hold W then RMB LMB RMB blue 1.0

Once u get the small brief moment timing down

[dim abyss]

this is the part i need to get consistent

[split spire]

Combo becomes
Consistent

[dim abyss]

the "wait a small moment that is specific to me then RMB"

i didnt practice the muscle memory for that wait time

[split spire]

Also hit the enemy from
The front

If u didn’t know this timing for front and back is different

Front is more generous

Back u need to be quicker

[dim abyss]

oh i see

[split spire]

Because uppercutting an enemy from the front sends them higher in the sky compared to the back

[dim abyss]

i was practicing it from behind the bot

[split spire]

And sides is also different

[dim abyss]

because the flat terrain is longer from behind

[split spire]

Yeah I know

It’s such a pain actually

Not realistic most of the time u combo someone from the front not the back

[dim abyss]

or side

u hold dodge and combo start

[split spire]

Side is bad

Don’t do side carrousel

[dim abyss]

i usually combo from side or front

[split spire]

If u hit someone from the side pivot to 211 multi JLMB combo

Unless ur enemy is facing a wall

Then carrousel can be consistent

There is a much higher chance u drop the combo if its from the side

Maybe it’s a personal thing only

It could be different for different people

[split spire]

example of GS chip dmg

[split spire]

Notice how he never used combo breaker

to explain to you what happened I started off with staff, an uppercut after an scale rush attack into LMB is untrue, so I just sent a 12 which is true. He was expecting an untrue and thus he didnt combo break in hopes he could tap dodge punish. Then I used this chance to keep chip damaging him off with GS. Due to surprise factor, he was unable to put me in stoneform and if you cant put GS/PS in stoneform you are not going to win.

[pure meteor]

Does anyone know if there are any true combos that involve the congeneric katana/heng special attack? I've been trying a few things like replacing the grapple from grapple combo with air blast but it doesn't do as much damage and also takes quite a while.

[undone anchor]

I developed one a while back, but it's hero specific

Usually congeneric movesets don't combo into smth else or don't extend combos

[pure meteor]

hmm gotcha

i'm having mild success using it after a confirmed blue with grapple combo

but it's not a 'true' combo

[undone anchor]

If a person can parry they will

It's super reactable

[pure meteor]

fair enough

im guessing you need someone with long cc like valda or temulch to really pull it off?

[undone anchor]

I used lannie

[sharp junco]

New player question, which weapons Are Worth maining for the start? I was intially interested the most in pole sword but Heard begginers should stay Away from it after So idk

Is it because people tend to spam with it And not build good habits?

[glass fractal]

Nah polesword has like a different gameplan than the other weapon (except great sword, worst version of polesword). So if you want to learn this game it might slow you down in the core of your neutral. By the way, rest of the cast mostly has similar combo, so like you learn one on a waepon, it's gonna be the same input on the other one like exactly the same. Anyways have fun and lowkey just play any weapons so you can familiar with the game😁

[undone anchor]

Id recommend startinging with katana 👍

Longsword is also fine, but you have to remember that instead of having the combo starter on horizontal attack, it has it on vertical attack

Aside that, for learning neutral, if we don't count polesword and greatsword, nor fan and dagger any weapon works the same 👍

[acoustic epoch]

Is the whip sword too strong? I feel like it’s a longsword slapped with a legendary soujade on it.

[lone sandal]

.

[undone anchor]

It's a longsword. Jade's are probably to be tuned a bit

Especially the crouch one

Overall it's a nice weapon, it looks somewhat balanced 🤔, or this is what people seem to think in general.

[stray crater]

one shot combo perma stunned is totally balanced

[undone anchor]

Which combo are you referring to?

There are a ton of those for each weapon and character pretty much 🤔

[split spire]

The same LS combos but they deal 2k dmg is not balanced

You can’t tap dodge punish it’s blues either

[undone anchor]

2k is a bit much

I reckon it's lower as dmg

Only different dmg this weapon has is focus attacks. 🤔

[wary escarp]

At the same time you can use 2 whipsword to chain infinite blue focus just like like Spear or staff just off Horizontal focus

[undone anchor]

Well, no one complains about it on staff of spear tho 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

My only issue with it is the coverage it has with focus attacks, but from what I've seen they are somewhat reactable, depending on where you are

Close up, it's like any other weapon, pray and dodge or parry, but at range it's reactable, vertical focus especially

Horizontal one is the same as a cloud weawer, which I do agree is too much

The rest of the jade's I haven't really checked out atm, so I can't say for sure there

I know they do some pretty op stuff

[viscid kelp]

It's p balanced imo
Long lasting, non-turnable, non-cancelable focus attacks always leave lots of room for punishes

The hitboxes are very strange admittedly, but I think any decent player will be able to adjust quickly

[unreal wyvern]

this weapon is disgusting in team modes honestly

if u land one blue and enemy doesnt have combo breaker

teammate can easily follow up with double charge

[viscid kelp]

I'm no team mode andy, but aren't the long durations of the focus attacks also a risk

Focus atk wise it just seems like fan in slightly longer duration

[unreal wyvern]

high risk high reward i guess

but u can mega disgusting follow ups

its like playing aurora burst

but on first charge level

in exchange for no gold focus/no silence

[viscid kelp]

Yeah

[unreal wyvern]

and the fire jade for vertical attacks

is fully crazy

[viscid kelp]

Burning one?

[unreal wyvern]

ye

just melts everything

[viscid kelp]

Yeah, but tbh anything burning is p strong

just a broken effect

[unreal wyvern]

on first charge level too

[split spire]

u can follow up...

[split spire]

the V is not tap dodge punishable

[split spire]

its not

its higher with jades even

[dim abyss]

yes, but if you miss the attack is persistent and easily parryable

i like it

risk reward

[split spire]

we are talking 2100-2200 with fire jade

from 1 combo

[dim abyss]

the fire jade is rly strong tho

[undone anchor]

Every fire jade is goated TBF 🤔

[split spire]

why the blue is follow-upable is beyond me

[viscid kelp]

I neither said that nor does it have to be

[split spire]

and u cannot light attack after either because u know the lovely little fan-like blue attack they can use after a blue

it took longsword

solved all of its issued

and increased its combo damage

but but no more 1 hit blue 🙁

this very balanced weapon casually dealing 2185 dmg with a standard longsword combo

only 2420 dmg from 1 jade balanced trust

[dim abyss]

man

this is nuts

[split spire]

and by adding just a little small slightly conditional twist... 2600 dmg

[dim abyss]

antihealing too

so any healing they would've received during that

take half of that and add it to ur effective dmg done

[dim abyss]

how are u starting with lmb?

[split spire]

dashing lmb into rmb at high fps is true/soft true

depending on how high ur fps is

[dim abyss]

oh dash lmb

[split spire]

only 1166 for 1.0 blue weak 🙁

and as low as 1470 damage for 2.0 blue, but guys this weapon is extremely balanced what yall talking about

[dim abyss]

after the 211 rmb

do u hold W?

[split spire]

yes

[dim abyss]

for me, enemy gets bounced away from the range of my lmb before the final focus

is that the probllem?

[split spire]

its the problem of holding W yes

there is a timing to it

[dim abyss]

thx

can this be done from their back too?

have u found any combo with the gold jade?

or the crouch lmb jade

[viscid kelp]

gold jade is combo starter in melee range

[split spire]

???

lmaooo

[viscid kelp]

ya

you can uppercut out of it

if you cancel it midway

[split spire]

YEAH I SAW JUST NOW WHAT

XDDDDDD

this weapon about to tod so many players

the combos deal excessive dmg

even the blues

977 dmg for 1.0 is crazy

[viscid kelp]

The dmg numbers are a bit overtuned but personally idk how relevant it is
Nobody used katana when it could reliably 100-0 either, just cuz of other downsides

[split spire]

this is longsword without longsword downsides

u cant tap dodge into light attack its blues

having more dmg than LS is crazy

[viscid kelp]

Committal blue focusses are a p big downside
Look at GS vs PS on that regard

Also its lmb is tap dodge parriable ig

[split spire]

i dont think u use that often

most of the time the rmb it is

cuz of the dmg

[viscid kelp]

mmh

lmb focus does 1k dmg

[split spire]

2.0

2.0 rmb does 1210

[viscid kelp]

lmb focus, follow up, jlmb is true

bit over 1k

[split spire]

oh wwait ur right lmao

yeah it deals more dmg insane

1100 from 1 blue??

[viscid kelp]

Idk why the follow up is true tbh

then again if it wasn't it'd be ass cheeks

due to not being turnable

[split spire]

ig it depends on range

rmb is true jlmb even from range becuz u can shift into jlmb

so close range u do H

long range u do RMB

if u wanna dmg max

[dim abyss]

@split spire when do u start holding W?

in the combo

after 211

[split spire]

idk i do it even before 211

[dim abyss]

cause i notice in ur 211 u dodge to side

should i just do a mid dodge 211 so it takes me forward a bit and then W?

ive neverr done this LS combo so its new to me

[split spire]

im high ping i do it a bit different

ask takao he is low ping

[viscid kelp]

I think they might reduce some of the focus atk dmg multipliers, but I also 100% expect some sort of purple focus on the blues at some point
It's extremely weird that they'd even release committal long duration focus attacks in 2025, any other recent weapon you can either turn or cancel mid way if it's a long lasting focus

[split spire]

they should just make it unfollowable

[viscid kelp]

That too, but I wouldn't be surprised if they just overlooked it

Cuz they're clueless

[viscid kelp]

For which combo

the 211 clmb thing?

[split spire]

no clmb

the most consistent carrousel at low ping

[viscid kelp]

I think the clmb one is actually pretty decently consistent

On higher fps anyway, low fps needs to be a lot more consistent with the W inputs

[sly ore]

evwry new weapon that comes out is best in slot for at least 3 months

and at least 1 tier higher than all other weapons

[viscid kelp]

I don't think how you do the 211 matters if you do it cleanly
I personally stopped doing any directional input mostly

[sly ore]

lmao

that a new weapon was balanced on release has never happened and will never happen

the power creep is intended by design

and in the first months, they want to gather data of players using it

[undone anchor]

This looks pretty nice 🤔

[sly ore]

so they make it stronger than all other weapons

[dim abyss]

this is rmb clmb lmb rmbfocus?

[viscid kelp]

ya

[dim abyss]

i will try this

i also prefer 211 without directional input

so this is throwing me off, holding W

[viscid kelp]

Depending on your bump you can omit it entirely

As I did in the vid

But esp on lower fps where you might have less favorable bumps, you might need to adjust forwards a bit

[undone anchor]

So basically low FPS needs to dash forward with w on 211? Or u mean on the uppercut itself?

[dim abyss]

cant wait to try this today

thx

i never had a good longsword comboo

only did regular grapple or swap to GS if i had one

[viscid kelp]

211 wise you can still omit the directional input, but during the uppercut it's recommendable to hold W for a short amount of time

[undone anchor]

Gotcha 🤔

So w input for about half the uppercut, a bit less depending 🤔

[dim abyss]

ppl will think i'm toxic doing this

i am fat fingering my "?" emote mid combo because emote button is right next to crouch lmao

[rich talon]

Marko on his way to Combo Kitty Role. I see

[dim abyss]

yess

i already got the combo down

now i'm just practicing the muscle memory for it

[rich talon]

For me it was the timing that throw me off the most. But I’m still to afraid to do that in Duos cause I would definitely whiff there

[dim abyss]

it's hard

but that's how u gotta do it

first learn it in practice mode, then get good at doing it spontaneously in real matches

u will whiff it

with effort there is always failure

but otherwise u wont learn it

[rich talon]

True

[undone anchor]

Well said 👍

[lone sandal]

.

[viscid kelp]

I think this jade is gonna create a lot of untrues

[waxen mural]

That looks so stupid 😂

[dim abyss]

oh no

oh no

this jade

[dark depot]

good weapon I guess

[undone anchor]

yeah, thje roll catching is insane

[viscid kelp]

I think it's a problematic catch and an even more problematic stagger tbh

[split spire]

i can just spam this in neutral

for an infinite

even the bot cant escape lol

[viscid kelp]

The bot is a bit deficient anyway, esp vs high ping

There's some chance a player can escape it when the bot can't

But I'd prefer it to just have normal stagger in the first place

[split spire]

bro i just realized

i can just send the blue follow up

instead of jlmb

in a combo

lmaoo

[viscid kelp]

I think the blue follow up is more range sensitive on rmb

lmb idk if it's true at all

[split spire]

no i mean in a combo

its 100% full true

cuz ur range is standard

unless terrain

then its better to just dodge jlmb

bro standard carrousel WITHOUT 211 is 2167 dmg

INSANE

longsword is 1600 dmg

thats so insane

[viscid kelp]

I assume they will slightly nerf the float on the focus atks at some point

They likely just didn't think of the implications

[split spire]

make sure to not hold w when u send the blue

so enemy gets sent closer

and the blue follow up becomes true

bruh

carrousel with 211 is 2390 dmg

:)))))))

how tf is this even close to being balanced

these arent even that hard to execute

and near a wall its like 100% consistency

[viscid kelp]

Actually

I don't think so

I have alr seen rmb focus full miss against a wall

because of its hitbox

[split spire]

oh true

yeah i have had it be a little wonky

but i guess they will fix the wonky hitbox

before they nerf the dmg

💀

[viscid kelp]

I'm not sure about that tbh
I can't remember the last time they adjusted a hitbox really

Usually they fuck with other things such as the magnet of attacks, which they buffed for dreadful like

idk

2yrs ago?

[agile tree]

during free training, can you modify you glyph plans?

[split spire]

very balanced

[split spire]

@viscid kelp IT GETS EVEN WORSE

ITS TRUE TO SEND A JLMB AFTER BLUE FOLLOW UP

XDDDDDD

WE ARE TALKING 3K DMG COMBOS NOW

standard combos**

xddddd

without any jades 211 carrousel is 2700 dmg xddddd

game is cooked

its over, 1.0 blue dealing more dmg than combos

[lone sandal]

.

[valid radish]

how do i light attack after stoneform ?

[wary escarp]

Crouch into attack

That or dodge or jump

[lone sandal]

.

[undone anchor]

Is there a reason for the continuos "." ? It's the fourth one yet, but no additional interaction. Is there smth we can help with?

[upbeat wagon]

It's a bot account most likely. Has been created a few days ago and also joined on the day it has been created

[undone anchor]

Gotta do some cleaning in that case 🤔. I'll ping mods at the next "." , if it comes 🤔👍

[lone sandal]

lol

so i cannot put .?

crazy

[lone sandal]

You say I'm a bot without any evidence? If you have any questions, please see a doctor.

[lone sandal]

I want to know the latest weapon combos, please help me provide videos

[undone anchor]

We are working on it; I'll start posting a few this evening when I finally get my mouse back 😂. Keep an eye out in #🤺┃whipsword-tips , atm all that's being discussed for the new weapon is there

[undone anchor]

Generally, if all you do is putting " . " People can get confused or question you, which is pretty normal . Especially when it's on multiple channels and at regular intervals. Next time if u need smth don't hesitate to ask

[dim abyss]

what is the purpose of it

[dim abyss]

i will send u some

oh no need actually

just scroll up

[rich talon]

Level Up

[wary escarp]

That or for the new event where they give reward off discord message, login and stuffs

Or both

[rich talon]

For messages too?

Nvm I saw that now

[undone anchor]

Wouldn't make sense considered that it only counts 1 message per day 🤔

[rich talon]

.

[undone anchor]

Don't u dare akiio 😂😂

I'm still waiting for your combo videos 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[rich talon]

What Combo?

[undone anchor]

All whipsword combos u can cook up 🤔

In #🤺┃whipsword-tips 👍👍. Good chance to win some free stuff 🤔😂👍

[rich talon]

I didn’t do much in the last 2 weeks actually. Finding mistakes in my Ranked Play was more important

[undone anchor]

Sounds fair 👍👍

[rich talon]

Maybe I steal Sam‘s Feria Ult Extension?

[undone anchor]

I mean, why not 🤔

I'm thinking it is also possible to somehow extend that vertical focus a bit more

Can't test before this evening tho

[rich talon]

Lemme know then

[undone anchor]

Will do 👍

[rich talon]

I sit down a bit when I’m off work and maybe give my Brain a Shot to get creative. That’s not my greatest Thing to do actually.

Copy&Paste is easier 🤣

[upbeat wagon]

"most likely" .I haven't claimed anything I just said that there is the possibility of it. Have a great day

[split spire]

u can just scroll up

[undone anchor]

Fair

[lone sandal]

The people here are mostly malicious, few are genuinely kind. Some people said I was a bot, but I denied it, but he didn't apologize. He should have his mind checked. Bots can make money? It's really ridiculous.

Some people pretend to ask what help they need, but when you actually ask them, they can't help at all. They are ridiculous.

[lone sandal]

Your channel will be deleted because it is an event channel. If you really want to help people, you should provide your own videos on this channel instead of directing people to other channels.

[undone anchor]

I think you are misunderstanding a few things. I would recommend keeping a friendly tone for no harm was intended in any of the above mentioned messages. As far as people of this server are concerned, I mostly saw kind people who try to help others.

[undone anchor]

For this, at a given time things will eventually shift. That event channel is for people to share what they find and tips on the new weapon itself.

[lone sandal]

Oh? Really? Then can you explain this?

[undone anchor]

Also, if you simply scroll up from your own message with the " .", you will find videos and discussions related to the whipsword itself

[lone sandal]

I don't have time for you, malicious person.

[stray crater]

why you spamming . in the first place

[undone anchor]

No harm, no accuses. I was asking above about the regular " ." Messages, a answer / possibility got given, and I simply wrote the next step of action. It is not my job to determine whether someone is a person or a bot, and I personally don't really have an issue with neither option. Server rules advise against spam, and since all you posted previous to this conversation was " . ", having mods check is what is advised. I never mentioned you being a bot, nor I was my intention to make you feel attacked. . I take note of your position on my person and I wish you to have a wonderful day still 👍

[lone sandal]

What you said is also garbage.

[stray crater]

the only messages you have previously is .

so no its not

[lone sandal]

You didn't say it, but you chose to believe it, that's your problem.

You choose to trust others blindly and are unaware of your own problems and wish me a nice day?

[stray crater]

no you were acting like a bot

and refuse to accept it

thats on you

[undone anchor]

I think we are getting a bit outside of subject here, let's pls keep a respectful demeanor

I'm sorry if what I wrote made you upset, but , once again, I assure you that it was not my intention. Also, if I considered you to be a bot, I would've simply pinged a mod immediately 👍

[stray crater]

Have you always been helper am i tripping

[undone anchor]

About a bit more than a year I think? I lose track of time 😅

[stray crater]

ahh makes sense why then

i was inactive for awhile

[undone anchor]

?

Oh, I see

I've been around in here for about 2-3 years now 👍👍

[stray crater]

me been here longer

[undone anchor]

That's nice!

[lone sandal]

Is bot valuable? Please be polite and use your logical mind to speak.

[undone anchor]

Since we're already here, got any interesting combos to share?

[dim abyss]

@undone anchor don't give him attention

you didn't do anything wrong

[undone anchor]

👍

[stray crater]

dont ask me im watched lol

[undone anchor]

Me too 😂😂😂. I need to derust so much 😂

[stray crater]

Im going for asura this season

[undone anchor]

U got this!

[upbeat wagon]

Im gonna go for new mates this season :/

[dim abyss]

u will get asura if u just play

dont make a rank ur goal

since u can attain the rank just by grinding

better to focus on actual improvement

[undone anchor]

Join us 👍😂

[dim abyss]

find a clan to join

[upbeat wagon]

All good I can't play for like 2w now so I'm in no rush 😂 maybe after that tho

[rich talon]

What am I reading here

[upbeat wagon]

Why :0

[rich talon]

Above the normal conversation xD

[upbeat wagon]

Some argument

Came to and end tho so need to start it again

[lone sandal]

There is an event now that requires me to write a message in the channel, otherwise I don’t want to say a word to those malicious people

[stray crater]

and putting a dot doesnt count towards it

[rich talon]

True

[lone sandal]

Please ask those malicious people to review the problem themselves.

[lone sandal]

？really?

[upbeat wagon]

It probably still does as the bot most likely cannot differentiate the actual content of the message. So wether its a whole message or a dot MOST LIKELY doesn't matter

[lone sandal]

................

[rich talon]

It’s 1 Message per day.

[lone sandal]

If you can't provide correct information, don't provide meaningless information.

[rich talon]

I want to see inside your Mind actually. What’s happening there rn

[undone anchor]

He is right tho, it only counts 1 message a day 👍. (Plus keep this channel for combos only)

[upbeat wagon]

It's a daily message and up to 600 messages total. This is a weapon combo/ help channel tho so maybe do it in #💬┃general-chat or #💭┃off-topic-yap

[lone sandal]

Not bad, some people are still a little smart and know what I did. Although this requires my explanation, I still don't want to talk to these malicious people. I suggest that a special channel be opened for the event to prevent these malicious people from talking nonsense.

[buoyant bridge]

@lone sandal I suggest you relax, calling member who were trying to help you “malicious people” is rude and disrespectful. Consider this a warning and carrying on will lead to a timeout

[lone sandal]

[dim abyss]

the tone shift hahah

[split spire]

i explained this weapon in the https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1422619656497270905 channel

[dim abyss]

and he gives thumbs down xD

[split spire]

everything u need to know is there regarding min-maxing your damage

[dim abyss]

thanks bro@split spire

[split spire]

H Blue follow up
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426897799634489414/game_is_destroyed.mov?ex=68ece5a1&is=68eb9421&hm=a6ba99cf3a2c409598c53c116ef4da431eccdeb80940e4781ac0353b56e07f17&
V Blue follow up
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426897929670758522/RMBBlue.mov?ex=68ece5c0&is=68eb9440&hm=000e2bd7d80257341403b4c64827e4d839b79498f66c2a2b175a624399b1447d&
non-211
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426898110982000771/non-211.mov?ex=68ece5ec&is=68eb946c&hm=39283af921aa5c30d8381d66863d3f8f4014be7d54897ee8c63c6d96ffdbdd91&
211
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426898220088299604/gamecooked.mov?ex=68ece606&is=68eb9486&hm=d6d5cddc0de103bb0cd6ccc724baf18d5291fc2bfab56524ff12834c7c392fcf&
Legendary Jade combo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426898506710253771/offHJade.mov?ex=68ece64a&is=68eb94ca&hm=e82b6613a4f17ff375eb6a077a38fedc185d6bccd18a74009d0146f7e48995fe&
cyan fang
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426900410043596860/cyanfang.mov?ex=68ece810&is=68eb9690&hm=0272c2fa5213b818160fb6217abe91b66f441cbf68373584298c151123f9453b&
crouch jade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426901802070052984/crouchjade.mov?ex=68ece95c&is=68eb97dc&hm=e1c5a50af01cf048fb1c1d0e1a680bad7674406639e6736347b16a630e761b84&
blaze jade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426902672359030784/blazejade.mov?ex=68ecea2b&is=68eb98ab&hm=6f7eafb292e021b9389c7ef1cb348692e5e41837d41fd65ae7c4fc4e395a516e&
PS Ext
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426904609192149103/withpolefollowup.mov?ex=68ecebf9&is=68eb9a79&hm=1ac0b607ed73df8b187f8bf077d28f7547b81a881be09f93deb3d0501c25f1a0&
Standard Combo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422619656497270905/1426917662667309056/notfancystandard.mov?ex=68ecf821&is=68eba6a1&hm=38f75ba8274ce765f65864d591313d0b0f2f587dc669c19def01c737af1e67c6&

all you need to know about the new weapon @lone sandal

[lone sandal]

wow , good

You are very professional

[rich talon]

@undone anchor now I’m feeling dumb, when i post Feria Ult Extension in the channel after I saw these Vids

[dim abyss]

"game is destroyed.mov"

[split spire]

discord exposing my file names

[undone anchor]

The last one looks so cool

[undone anchor]

Mah

[split spire]

ok i broke this weapon yet again, if you aim to the left when u send Vertical blue you can have true blue follow up into jlmb

if you apply similar concept to standard grapple combo but this time if u delay holding A till after the bump instantly, u can have true blue into jlmb follow up for a stunning 2k dmg basic grapple combo lol

[sly reef]

.

[compact tundra]

what is 211 mean?

and i thought it have 10 video?

why its only show 5

[split spire]

advanced combo technique that allows you to drop down from the air quickly after an uppercut and enables you to use attacks while in the air other than Jump LMB or Jump RMB. You can even hold blue while in the air.

It involves weapon swapping and dodging at very precise timing and swapping back again.

its not reasonable to expect everyone to know how to 211 so thats why I had non-211 options for the combo

[compact tundra]

ty

[split spire]

🫡

[lone sandal]

hihi

[upbeat wagon]

I'll learn 211 once I get home. U can do so much cool shit with it

[lone sandal]

what weapons best

new weapon hard use

[hexed lily]

What's a good pair for dagger?

[lone sandal]

dun know

[meager trail]

they definitely did something with movement/attack transistion, along with scalerush startup frames this patch
input feels much less sluggish compare to before

[meager trail]

or they just somehow optimized their game

[lone sandal]

also hard

[wary escarp]

I usually just use range like piston or cannon on second slot when playing with dagger since mobility allow me to be aggressive & evasive depended on my opponent

[undone anchor]

TBF all weapons are viable. Knowing how to use them all is a thing that with time will be necessary. Aside from that, anything that you like can work 👍

[charred cobalt]

share link how to advanced combo

[stray crater]

Learn basics before learning any combos

[undone anchor]

also, combos are useless if you can't win neutral 👍

most of them are situational and dependant on terrain 👍

[lone sandal]

yes

[lone sandal]

Which weapon do you think is the best to use?

[charred cobalt]

greatsword for charge attack,nunchaku for normal attack, heng sword for martial skill souljade

[stray crater]

greatsword easy parry

not good

any decent player will parry it

[wary escarp]

Well, it is up to you to figure it out

My best weapon might not be your best weapon because my playstyle might not match yourrs

You have to spend time with each to figure out your comfort weapon that you can always relied on

[lone sandal]

i see

[wary escarp]

I also see that you are not like to fight, I want to figure out if you are not comfortable with combat, afraid of fighting or anything that you particularly feeling not right about fighting?

[stray crater]

Gotta fight to get better and rank up

[lone sandal]

I can fight and I can hide

[wary escarp]

Pushing yourself into fight could get some people stress out and drop the game early so I kinda want to figure out what causing their discomfort with fighting.

But yeah, in this game the fun is all in the fight

[lone sandal]

If my teammates are good, I can keep fighting.

[wary escarp]

I see, I am taking your message of hiding out of context

My bad

[lone sandal]

I'm most afraid of encountering teammates who are not good enough and keep picking fights, which will eventually lead to points being deducted.

[stray crater]

you should be sticking with your team in these situations tho

[wary escarp]

Well then I figure you are matching random queue trios then...

[lone sandal]

yes , i like random

because can hide and flight

[stray crater]

if you are decent you should be able to clutch to get a res off or a 1v2 fight off in those situations all that comes with practice tho

[wary escarp]

Random is really... something... I want to recommending you to find a teammate or two that you can invite to play with

[lone sandal]

As long as I like

[stray crater]

ehh it is indeed something haha

you can get asura with randos tho after that you should find a team

[lone sandal]

Generally speaking, if you find friends, they like to fight all the time.

[stray crater]

Well yes because they trust that there team will be there to get the kills if they die

[wary escarp]

I got someone stealing MY dreadful wail off my body before revive me while dude is not even using DAGGER. THEN when I take it back before revive him, he straight up said I am an idiot for stealing HIS jade