🔱┃weapons-combat

[dusky current]

It’s been hard to get some actual pvp practice in

Solo grind so tedious until you reach maybe solar

Then you get actual player lobbies

I’ll do like 2 games a day before I get bored and go back to learning 211

[wary escarp]

I'm mostly practice with friends or people in this discord

[dusky current]

Oh hell no

I’ll get deleted

[wary escarp]

Fighting in BR is short and you don't get much feedback from the other player

[dusky current]

Hmm

[wary escarp]

In custom, you can fight with certain set of rules that help you prolong the fight, for me is grey weapons and gold armor.

[dusky current]

[wary escarp]

At the same times, we give feedback to each other. What we done wrong that can be exploited, what we can do differently

[dusky current]

I like the randomness and full sweat experience from people in BR

[wary escarp]

Yeah, but you first need a control environment that can help you get used to the basics. The game does provided people with tutorial but...

You will be surprised how many times I heard people asked how their weapon got dropped into the ground and why other people moving so fast

[dusky current]

I was thinking bot training in hard-advance mode

[wary escarp]

Nah

Bots are easy to exploit, does not give you feedback while also in so much ideal environment, you will never able to use what you practiced in it to real match

For example, alot of blue focus can be react-parry in training mode but you cannot do it in BR

[dusky current]

Some of them are so cracked though, reading every input and catching me at ever tap dodge

[dusky current]

Noticed that a lot

My next goal is to dodge focus attacks

Into a parry

[wary escarp]

I played trios bot hard without filled to practice my nerves

[dusky current]

Man, that’s torture.

[wary escarp]

After a while I noticed I instead get used to fight bots, not players

[dusky current]

Spammed to death by light attacks

[wary escarp]

They seem to notice your ping & ms to do pseudo infinite if you don't get out the right way

[dusky current]

Maybe I’ll ask for a duel with you when I’m a bit more comfortable

[wary escarp]

tbh, as much as it feels good to land a combo in practice

[dusky current]

I dont play as much lately due to sleep apnea

[wary escarp]

It will feel a thousand times better when you win neutral to do said combo in match

[dusky current]

If you win the neutral that opens up to the combo no?

[wary escarp]

take your time

[wary escarp]

Not always, sometimes win neutral is just landing a focus and then it is reset to neutral anyway

[dusky current]

Yea, I understand that, character abilities reseting back to neutral

[wary escarp]

But if you win neutral by catching their dodges, trick them into parry or catch them with whiff attack then yeah, it does lead into combo

[dusky current]

Etc

Yea

[wary escarp]

Well combo breaker is on another note

[dusky current]

[wary escarp]

A game supposes to be fun, so don't push yourself way too hard. Whenever you feel comfortable then I would glad to join (tho I'm in SEA and have like 300 ms on NA )

[dusky current]

I enjoy the game a lot

I ape so much in BR

Even if lose i run back in

[rich talon]

Just sheath the weapon and give them a slap

The reaction is funny, cause they don’t know what to do

[dark depot]

crazy to see people actually trying this keep going with that

if you have questions feel free to ask btw

[rich talon]

My sliding Uppercuts are the problem. Most of the time I just press Shift, C and rmb at the same time. I need to get that out of my head

[dark depot]

I feel that kinda but you will 100% succeed in that it is a bad habbit

[rich talon]

But first I need to improve overall in this Game. Thought so much about getting 211s consistent, tried combos way to much when I first started the game that I overlooked overall Fighting, Mind Games and so on.

[dark depot]

Combos in general are more like “side quests.”
But yes, if you don't know how to punish someone or how to get to the point where and when you should do the combo, it gets a little tough

[wary escarp]

Combo feels the best right after winning neutral

[rich talon]

I noticed that right after I hit Asura. But Marko and Eldranicks gave me a quick Reality Check and I’m working on my neutral and punishes. It’s slow but it gets better and better. On regular Players it works. When I got JeffSharkie for example like yesterday 5 times in my Lobby, I can’t even hit this dude. Then I got dogwalk/laughed emoted right after

[wary escarp]

Landing a combo feels good. Landing a hard earned combo after winning neutral (maybe twice because combo breaker) is chief kiss

[undone anchor]

Everybody knows that side quests are what make a game from good to great 🤔😂🤷🏻‍♂️

[dusky current]

Progress on speeding up my 211

But I feel like my mouse wheel is an issue with consistency

What do you guys keybind weapon swap to

[rich talon]

Afaik most of the Playerbase or people that grind Training are using Scroll Wheel.

In other games f.E. I need to use 1 or 3 for Swap. In Naraka (for me) Scroll Wheel is just better and faster

[rich talon]

But I would try all of that on the Bot. Then you know if you made a mistake and can work on that instantly
That’s the way I did this since I started the game

[dusky current]

I'll practice a bit more before trying on bot

How does one cancel Heng sword H Charge in that way without the V Dash

[wary escarp]

Just press horizontal

Heng sword H focus can be feint with H into a non focus horizontal lead into combo or with V into a dash

[dusky current]

Even if already commited?

[wary escarp]

Yeah

[dusky current]

Everytime i've tried it just lunged me

You can cancel the release with just an auto

[wary escarp]

Huh

I mean you can only feint the attack after you release the heng horizontal focus

While you travel toward, press H to feint into horizontal

[dusky current]

Guess I'll keep that in mind against heng sword and dodge next time

[wary escarp]

or jump XD

Sometimes you can do it to put on some weird pressure

[dusky current]

[wary escarp]

especially against people you know can't track opponent very well

[dusky current]

If I dodge I can react to release and parry though right?

[wary escarp]

But dodging isn't put you out of the Heng feint attack pressure either

[dusky current]

Or can they still fient at the end of release

[wary escarp]

tbh, if you see them holding horizontal focus, hold your own focus too

[wary escarp]

Nope

[dusky current]

I guess you're right

He was already holding longer than I was

[wary escarp]

It has decent tracking so side dodge will lead into it hitting you, back dodge and reset neutral

[dusky current]

I didnt know the Release could be stopped with a light attack

[wary escarp]

it has some weakness still

[dusky current]

[wary escarp]

its options out of horizontal focus aren't good against people holding blue focus

[dusky current]

me just parrying hungry and not knowing these secret weapon tech outside of the tutorials

plus I've never seen anyone with hengsword fient like that

it's always a shadow step

to evade parry

[wary escarp]

Best of the situation is clashing or reset neutral by dash away. It cannot be cancel into parry, only skill

[dusky current]

[wary escarp]

I barely see people shadow step due to it really don't do much

Especially against good people, shadow step can be react interupted at the end

[dusky current]

I hardly see people run hengsword nowadays

but some old videos with heng sword they shadow step into a catch

[wary escarp]

Certain match up like Longsword, if the opponent knows the match up, shadow step is a free combo on react

tight react but react nonetheless

However these people are rare to find and with ping + FPS in BR, I think you don't need to worry about this

[dusky current]

At this rate I feel like parrying flaw mechanic

Dodge everything

Because of this fps and ping handicap

[wary escarp]

Well, like Takao once said: "Parry is a callout. You only parry if you know they release focus at certain time"

[undone anchor]

alwasy dodge

parry is too aggressive as a callout. nearly no single attack is actually react parriable

unless you know for sure they are going to release, dodging is always better

[wary escarp]

There are bait and switch

Certain blue focus can be react if dodge the first hit like PS and GS

[undone anchor]

which is why i said "nearly no single attack"

[wary escarp]

Certain blue focus can be react but dangerous to parry due to able to change direction like Nunnies & Dagger

[rich talon]

I mean practicing 211 and so on seems not very logical, if you don’t know how to win neutral and things like combat overall. (I did the same thing in the beginning ) but knowing how to actually win neutral to get a grapple .9 Blue is way more important imo. I’m slowly recovering from my mistakes but I needed to change so much

(My Neutral is still ass, but it’s getting somewhere)

Don’t do the Mistakes @undone anchor and I did, as he mentioned a few days ago.

[rich talon]

But as always, that’s my Point of View and I could be wrong. So I’ll would wait for someone with better Knowledge than me.

[rich talon]

What’s a PS?

Ahh nvm. German Translation was playing with me

[wary escarp]

Playstation Polesword

[rich talon]

Ahh yeah the German Translation is „Glefe“. And I was like tf is PS

[dusky current]

Dodging has been working out a bit more

Man Naraka seemed so dead today

[fleet ledge]

Whats the difference between and when to use one or the other?

[sly ore]

the second one is untrue

only use the first one

if you enabled the bot there, it would have dodged otu

[fleet ledge]

So grappling enemy is bait okki ty :3

[viscid kelp]

Not necessarily, you just executed it incorrectly

[fleet ledge]

Timing wise or smthn?

[viscid kelp]

You rolled

There can be a few reasons why, but the roll makes it untrue

[fleet ledge]

Ooh i see it now

I didnt notice

It wasnt on purpose so i assume it auto triggered bcz i went in the air no?

Is there a way to force it to not roll

[viscid kelp]

The roll usually triggers when you uppercut has momentum, meaning when you pressed W/A/S/D during the uppercut or did a slide uppercut

It can also sometimes occur on higher ping seemingly arbitrarily

You can avoid it by holding A/D+lmb/rmb, holding shift or holding ctrl+W/A/S/D

[fleet ledge]

So holding ctrl + w throughout the uppercut/grapple to landing would work?

[viscid kelp]

for example

[fleet ledge]

ctrl+w rmb - q - land - rmbhold

[viscid kelp]

Keep rmb held during the grapple animation, you will (and have to) start holding focus mid-air

[fleet ledge]

Okki ty lots :3

[viscid kelp]

[fleet ledge]

How does your focus charge so fast? You start hitting it before he even falls

For me he dodges before my focus is even charged

[viscid kelp]

You might be running into a certain interaction that happens as of around 60ms
Sending a clip would be helpful

[fleet ledge]

1 sec ill send one

Here

[viscid kelp]

You're releasing the focus too late

Don't react to the 'ding', time the release to be right once it occurs

[rich talon]

Does the Angle of the F Matters that much or is that a timing Thing, when i throw it after the Bump? Sometimes it works like Butter and sometimes just dont want to go up

[undone anchor]

It does

But here is a uppercut issue

F is fine

[rich talon]

I know my sliding Uppercuts are shit haha. But i dont know how i can fix these.

[rich talon]

Like throwing the Bot not into the Blade?

[undone anchor]

The direction

Afaik it could be better

[rich talon]

Im working on it

[tulip elm]

Waw

[undone anchor]

Judging by also how they got reflected, there is a chance that where they land is important

[rich talon]

I go rewatch Lyrics video 20x Times more

[undone anchor]

Cuz the ability is spinning, hence I figure smth might be causing that

[rich talon]

I'm opening youtube then. again.

[rich talon]

Hmm either im trippin
Or they go sometimes a bit to the right or the left, when the Bot gets smacked again into the Blade.

[undone anchor]

I'm no yoto expert, some one other can be more helpful prolly

[rich talon]

Can i ping Lyrics here? Guess so or?

Ich bin mal so frech. @dark depot

[bronze drum]

idk if this count as weapon combat but what is the right way to stand up? in every 1v1 when i try to stand up i get instant combo again from a light atk

[meager trail]

https://youtu.be/dX0oYscqPFw

[bronze drum]

tyyy very much

[gilded badge]

yo can anyone help me with doing the double uppercut grapple longsword combo, i can never hit the second uppercut fast enough?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266684295599099955/1389952392346468512/NARAKA_BLADEPOINT_2025.07.02_-_19.53.44.09.mp4?ex=68cd528a&is=68cc010a&hm=65fb5ebf7ac5eba877082a1e43a9711369a0158771337bbddf2b8d844feaf734&

i can never seem to get the second uppercut and i have no clue why

help is much appreciated.

[meager trail]

record your attempt and post it here

so we could see what went wrong

[crisp fox]

This video shows a successful combo though…

[meager trail]

wait that's his attempt? lol

[crisp fox]

I mean…

Unless he stole a video and sent it here asking for help

That would be kinda

Kinda dumb

[meager trail]

wait a minute

that's my vid

lmao

[spice sinew]

You're the expert then

[crisp fox]

Wateflip

[meager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-dismay-disappointed-stressed-bruh-gif-15749402

[teal belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-14026649281713077235

[gilded badge]

that was for reference 🙏

cuz i didnt know if yall understood what i was talking about

lemme get a clipping app real quick and show you my try

[split spire]

xddd

[meager trail]

it was smol so i didn't pay attention to the name
but then i was like wait a second that feria looks familiar

💀

[split spire]

200 fps 40 ms damn

im jealous

[meager trail]

90fps 70ms ingame tho

[crisp fox]

Oh

[gilded badge]

yea i was scrolling to see if someone had the same issue

i saw u helping someone i think and u sent this clip

[waxen mural]

Can u make Double uppercuts ingame?

[meager trail]

nope lol

most of the time it fails

unless the terrain helped me

[waxen mural]

Yeah i know the problem xD im on Ps5 and in training it's so easy but in game no chance

[meager trail]

even a simple grapple combo fails alot

[gilded badge]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/l80E4Wty9n1f8Ieo2?invite=cr-MSxVMlEsNjE3ODM3MQ&v=30

heres my attempt

@split spire

i forgot to cut the clip just skip to the end

i can just never get the second crouch in time

idk why

[rich talon]

You need to hold either A or D when you bump into the Bot

[gilded badge]

into c.V?

[rich talon]

You roll away

[split spire]

u rolled

tap shift to clear rolls

and dont press directional keys

[gilded badge]

it always rolls

[split spire]

or press control

or a/d

[gilded badge]

wait wait

what do i not do

[split spire]

i recommend tapping shift

[gilded badge]

exactly

[split spire]

do not hold W

[gilded badge]

when?

[split spire]

or S

never in this combo hold W or S before 2nd uppercut connects

[gilded badge]

so if i just take my figner off w this issue wont happen

thats what im understanding

[split spire]

no

it can happen

cuz sometimes u have to toothpick using shift S or shift W

so to avoid this

[gilded badge]

yeah but like after the toothpicking

[split spire]

TAP shift key immiedately after uppercut or hold control key

or hold a/d

i recommend tapping shift key to not mess up with combo spacing

[gilded badge]

tap shift after the first uppercut?

[split spire]

after grapple

[gilded badge]

into c.V?

[split spire]

like u grapple and insta shift

[gilded badge]

how does that help, i dont see the use of that tbh

im not familiar with this games mechanics that much

[split spire]

It clears movement and prevents rolling

The shift needs to happen right as you finish pressing Q

And it shouldn’t play dodge animation

It’s exactly how u press
c.V you press Q.Shift

And the shift needs to be tapped

Not held

[gilded badge]

ic

its working now that im not holding w anymore, i just need to get the timing right

thanks a lot fam

i was going insane yesterday

[split spire]

As I told you, you will have times where u need to
Press W but u need to clear movement

That’s where the tap shift tech comes in

[gilded badge]

icic

can i hold ctrl or a/d instead of shift tho?

just asking

[split spire]

yes u can

but generally speaking the best option imo is tap shift

it always works, never fails and doesnt mess up with ur spacing at all

unlike A/D which can mess up ur spacing

or ctrl which can ruin ur combo if u take ur hands off the key accidentally early

[rich talon]

What can go wrong there then actually? Cause I do it like that and never had a Problem or I didn’t notice. I mean sometimes I don’t use any directional Key.

[split spire]

it messes up spacing, sometimes making u lean too much forwards and miss certain blues like nunchucks or staff. CN pros with a/d muscle memory turn their camera

i dont need to turn the camera

cuz i just tap shift

and my blues dont miss their target

cuz i cleared all movement

[rich talon]

Ahh I see. Thanks

Sometimes I have this Problem that I’m standing right in the Bot/Enemy with Nunnies actually

[split spire]

yep

[rich talon]

Most of the time I actually hit them tho. But my Character spins like crazy over the enemy then

[split spire]

yeah ik in CN tho with all ppl on low ms they can dodge out and it wont hit

so they are forced to turn their camera to make the combo true

[rich talon]

[gilded badge]

hey @split spire

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/l81hZ0fauZWneRhmz?invite=cr-MSxWSWssNjE3ODM3MQ&v=9

what am i exactly doing wrong here?

too late?

the second uppercut has never put them in the air for me

im assuming its just that its too late but everytime i do it earlier the crouch doesnt come out

[split spire]

Do it facing him from the front. Your fps is too low to do it from the back

And yes ur uppercut needs to be faster

[gilded badge]

alright thanks

[rich talon]

Lmao thought Combos starting only from behind

[undone anchor]

Sometimes you can also do them from the side

It changes the enemy orientation in the air and it changes then also their hitbox

[rich talon]

Every Day something new to learn

[undone anchor]

Yepyep

[radiant sand]

sry for barging in, since I'm a newbie trying to learn a stuff or two, you mean FPS or MS? Just trying to compare, sorry if it looks like correcting you (it's not!).

[split spire]

I mean fps in that statement but yes both fps and ping greatly affect combo potential and consistency. FPS having a bigger effect than ping (ms) but ms effect also becoming really bad when you cross 90 ms and go higher.

[dark depot]

Sorry for not answering I lost this discord somewhere in my folders
Overall it is at the end more about the angle of the blade throw and your jump horizontal timing
If you throw the blade higher -> some extentions might be not possible anymore
Jump Horizontal timing -> If you fuck up either the magnet is not working or the hits get weird as hell afterwards

Feel free to dm me with your questions might be better

But overall in your clips the timing seems right it is just about the stuff you wanna do afterwards

[dark depot]

if you want a challenge feel free to try out this one (I didn't released that public btw yet)

[rich talon]

Hmm alr thanks. I go try that tomorrow.

[rich talon]

Nah that's to much for the Playtime i have atm

When i have 1k more Hours i maybe come back to this

[split spire]

green focus says hi

1376 dmg combo

😭

[undone anchor]

green focus ain't in ranked mode tho 🤔

so it should still be fine

[meager trail]

it's coming

new potential

[undone anchor]

wuuut!'

no way, right?

[meager trail]

yes way

[undone anchor]

time to start retraining the anti green focus combos....

[dark depot]

yeah saw that shit today.
Let's see if they actually do it or not

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Lyrics leveled up!

[upbeat wagon]

An<yone got comboes I can/ should learn? I know asica katana/ heng comboes as well as the standard longsword upercutt grapple charge. I can basically do all throwing knife comboes and Im currently practicing staff and spear a bit more

the whipsword looks hella fire

[meager trail]

check pin

[upbeat wagon]

Is there any real advantage of ACCA over just doing the dashy thing

[meager trail]

no stamina consume

and you can abuse the db v catch into katana h combo starter thing

[naive plaza]

speaking of green focus

isnt there supposed to be a punish or something if you grapple them during it?

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/l9YCMQ6ujS8bKJhq3?invite=cr-MSxOdEcsMjAxMjY4ODQ0&v=10

maybe im doing something wrong as i dont play casual modes so am not familiar w the mechanic

[undone anchor]

yes, i think it works the same as the jade that makes you grapple them

try pressing two times the input

(been a while since i did it, so i might remember wrong 🤔 )

[naive plaza]

i honestly cant get it to work lmao

it just reopens my grapple aim after ive already grappled him once idk

[undone anchor]

i can try later if u want 🤔

i'll be home in a few hours

[naive plaza]

ill ask some people tomorrow i guess but honestly if the punish doesnt work and it becomes hard meta, i might just be out

too many dumb mechanics added lately

(books, gold focus jades)

[undone anchor]

let's sstop playing combo breakers 🤷‍♂️

who needs them anymore 😆

[viscid kelp]

[undone anchor]

(any chance that the grapple it's too early? 🤔 )

[viscid kelp]

This will be so funny when people actually notice it

Your grapple needs to connect the moment they do the somersault

Any other window won't work

THE FUNNY BIT IS that the somersault has so much momentum that the grapple likes to just fly off to China

[naive plaza]

bruh

they summersault halfway across my fucking screen

[viscid kelp]

The """"punish"""" simply does not work with any degree of consistency, even if you calculate the grapple impact perfectly

[naive plaza]

even w auto aim grap thats not an easy track

[viscid kelp]

Auto aim grap just also often doesn't work on such targets (see above)

It's dogshit

[naive plaza]

my graps are going to narnia trying to do that

[viscid kelp]

Lovely mechanic

[undone anchor]

ugh

[naive plaza]

theres also no way to know which way they plan to go..

unless you have them trapped in a corner

they could go whatever direction they want

even on the bot hes rolling different ways

despite me reseting training room each time to recenter him

[viscid kelp]

Maybe gonna be a Lyam of optimal way is towards the enemy

Gonna be dogsht either way tho

Just cuz they can't be arsed to fix their characters/jades

[naive plaza]

by the time my brain clocks his direction and try to aim my grapple like its already too late

since they do 2 flips not just one

[viscid kelp]

Oui

[naive plaza]

just so much distance travelled so fast

ik im not a god tier gamer... but still

[rich talon]

[naive plaza]

also have to deal w the animation lock of whatever attack i did that triggers their get out of jail card

i feel like sometimes i am locked in animation too long to ever catch the first roll window

and my ping is 27 in free training

[undone anchor]

fps issue maybe?

i got a similar thing when facing people with hundreds of frames more than what i have 🤔

[viscid kelp]

It's got nothing to do with frames

In some anims you just can't grapple

[undone anchor]

nvm then 🤔

[undone anchor]

ah, they meant it that way 🤦

[naive plaza]

i have over 400fps lmao

[undone anchor]

nvm then

[viscid kelp]

Most ppl never cared to look at green focus
But I actually went out of my way to try and fight it a bit vs free training bot

It's so abysmally implemented it's absurd

[naive plaza]

i watched nova do it on stream pretty consistently but idk i guess i just suck

free neutral reset

so much distance too

[viscid kelp]

As you mentioned it depends on so many circumstances
If they somersault in a straight line from you you're chilling for instance

But say what triggers the green focus is the very start of ls uppercut
Since ls uppercut is slow you have long anim lock and you simply cannot hit the punish

[naive plaza]

i mean even in a straight line the timing is so tense a lot of the times im just grappling to them w a normal grapple attack

not the punish

im trying w katana now

[undone anchor]

also, dumb question: do you thing that there is a chance to bring back the LS infinite uppercut combo with the new weapon coming to the game?

if they don't make a congeneric attack you could uppercut grapple swap into another uppercut and it should reset the uppercut itself, no? 🤔

not sure if the height of the bump would be enough, but considering position, there is a chance, no?

[viscid kelp]

The reason why LS infinite doesn't work is because the first hit of the uppercut attack floats an airborne target poorly
This won't change with any weapon swapping, so as long as the new weapon's attacks are identical to LS, it won't be back no

[undone anchor]

i see 🤔

sadge

[viscid kelp]

They like to mess with attacks in tiny ways though, for instance PS/Heng have faster/longer attacks than GS/Katana

So who knows what's coming

[undone anchor]

fair 🤔

guess we'll have to wait and see

[naive plaza]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/l9Z9Amqk78HKNJmJ1?invite=cr-MSxudGssMjAxMjY4ODQ0&v=27

alright so i did land it with katana once

but right after, he summersaulted on my head

so great consistency there

def an easy "counterplay w grapple" moment

[viscid kelp]

Bear in mind the anim can be cancelled

[naive plaza]

the summersault animation?

or the punish?

[viscid kelp]

Green focus in general

You are not obligated to do the whole animation, at least I've seen the bot cancel it

[naive plaza]

so youre not even locked into your free combo breaker..

lmao

yeah okay

so someone could anim cancel and easily have blue priority over you because by the time you close the distance theyve been charging already...

cant do knife combo w grapple bump anymore

it triggers green focus n he gets out

[viscid kelp]

Yeah green focus can for sure be cancelled with grapple

[naive plaza]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/l9ZjZh3L0DEJ0CpZV?invite=cr-MSxVN2YsMjAxMjY4ODQ0&v=120

this isnt even a double uppercut combo 🥲

[viscid kelp]

in my experience

after grapple you at most get a focus

grapple p much solos fills that bar

[naive plaza]

im not even a combo player and i think this is bad

like the most i do is the double uppercut combo on LS/katana/heng with 2 jump lmbs 💀

but yea i tested basic dualblade grapple combo and hes out right after the focus..

which i mean, the player would perform a normal wakeup roll then anyways but damn thats only like.. a 4 attack string

h, cv, g, fv

[rich talon]

How do you get this Quality on Obs. My clips looking like 480p

[viscid kelp]

CQP

CQP takes a value from 1-51 which represent the resulting image quality
51 is the worst quality, 1 is the best quality

CQP stands for constant quality profile so it will adjust bitrate according to the situation

22 is a p good value imo, I wouldn't go below 18
File sizes become absurdly huge if you go lower than that, and you barely see a difference

[rich talon]

Alr thanks i give it a shot

I was told this was ok, but idk. When Movement gets a bit faster it looked blocky. And when it gets like that, it stays the whole clip like that

Idk even if i even should scale the resolution down or not. Sometimes it looks good, then i have clips that looks like 480p or something, even tho they should be 1440p

[viscid kelp]

The higher the resolution and the more movement there is, the more bitrate you'll need

Since CQP adjusts automatically it's ideal imo if you don't care abt file size

[rich talon]

I see. I'm a complete noob when it comes down to obs

[wary escarp]

Yeah but you cannot do it on react, you have to read it

Anyway, Takao just explain and I hop in too late

[rich talon]

That were the old Settings in Obs

got a bit better now i would say. Thanks

[undone anchor]

Skills like Lyam f2 are going to become so precious since they reset the combo meter

[split spire]

Can u grapple jump into swap flying tech to hold blue on another weapon? xd

One way to basically punish a player who wants to grapple u xdddd

[split spire]

Not rly

Fs can always be met with other Fs

If u can F to combo start enemy can F to combo break

And Fs to combo start have risks of whiffing while combo breaks are always guaranteed to get value

[naive plaza]

• they like to kill combo extensions like they did with Shay f2 pretty quickly

[split spire]

The only real buff is Temulch

He can still Tod lol

[viscid kelp]

Ya
If you wanna do that you should probably grapple close to the ground to not somehow get interrupted

[split spire]

Yeah

I can see that being op asf tho

The worst feeling is when u grapple someone and use grapple strike and they are in the middle of a blue hold about to 1.0

That’s what’s gonna happen to ppl trying to grapple green focus

I’m coping they give green focus some sort of cost like a 20-30% rage cost

[naive plaza]

It needs a long cooldown

Longer than our normal combo breakers imo since it’s essentially a second combo breaker for a lot of characters

[split spire]

cd does nothing

the moment green focus exists it will force ppl to use basic combos

there will be 0 reason to even trigger it in the first place

[lusty cosmos]

Everyone gonna just 211 by default

[split spire]

because of that we need a downside to using it, not a cd which has no downsides

[lusty cosmos]

Well it's countered with the grapple bump right? Which is a cool counterplay

[split spire]

yeah its crazy

[split spire]

u can counter that

u can cancel green focus into jump flying tech hold blue

and suddenly person trying to grapple bump u eats a free blue

[naive plaza]

You mean the wildly inconsistent grapple punish? Lmao

but yeah it just becomes a thing where like.. there’s no reason to risk ever doing anything other than a basic combo

Which sucks

And even some basic combos get screwed by it, like longsword/katana/heng double uppercut w 2 jump lmbs

Can’t do those anymore

[split spire]

i think longsword will devolve into no grapple direct carrousel

rmb shift rmb uppercut 211 rmb lmb rmb hold

around 1400 dmg

which isnt bad but consistency is trash asf

211 on longsword into carrousel has always been an inconsistent mess

unless u are facing a wall

[naive plaza]

Yeah so we’re right back to basic grapple combos for everything

Very static and repetitive

Because this change also kills any sortve downhill extended combo

Or aerial juggles off a cliff side etc. Pure cinematic stuff that even recently they were reposting on their official socials 💀

[viscid kelp]

I wouldn't be surprised if people just bag swapped

[split spire]

they need to allow up to 3 hits in addition after grapple strike connects to make green focus somewhat ok

or give it rage cost

it shouldnt be a free out of jail card

[split spire]

their untrue sht

its insane how they were posting untrue combos

[naive plaza]

Their logic will be that it isn’t free cuz you have to take the glyphs

[split spire]

encouraging ping abuse basically in global

in CN they will find out

in global they wont find out

they will ping abuse

[naive plaza]

I mean downhill juggles are true though, if the person keeps you in the air the whole time

[split spire]

not downhill juggles

recent post was a video of kurumi doing the most untrue combo i have ever seen

[naive plaza]

Oh I might not have seen it

But I know they reposted one of prospers downhills while in zai ult

[split spire]

its the new green focus reveal after that one kurumi untrue'd the living f out of her enemy

they should guy trying to true combo kurumi then she used green focus and untrue'd the guy

xdddddd

[naive plaza]

Love to see it lol

NA Kurumi for sure

xD

[lusty cosmos]

I didn't know it was inconsistent I've only ever tried in practice range

[split spire]

If u turn around like with Lyam combo breaker u can make it extremely hard for ur enemy to counter grapple btw

[wary escarp]

Welp

Time to go back to just stabbing people until they die

[lusty cosmos]

If you have a combo breaker up why would you need to disengage

[lusty cosmos]

Tbh I think it's overall good for the game, tod's do more harm than good. But i think the threshold is too low. I'm fine with this stopping stupidly long combos but not everything above basic level

[viscid kelp]

Maybe hot take but the game has gotten to the point where characters have so much privilege in their abilities that ToDs are far from the biggest concern

Most weapons can't reliably ToD anyway, assuming at least purple armor and somewhat reasonable jades

Characters however can

[lusty cosmos]

It's mostly using abilities to extend or some very niche tech

[viscid kelp]

Ya but that's an ability issue

[lusty cosmos]

Yeah

But balancing is hard so this is an easier solution

[viscid kelp]

Green focus is still what it was back when they originally created it, a cheap band-aid

[lusty cosmos]

Yep

[split spire]

U misunderstood I mean if u turn ur green focus just like u do with Lyam F ur enemy will find it extremely difficult to counter grapple u as u wouldnt be in their field of vision

[viscid kelp]

idk how turnable it is personally

I felt like it always went fixed in the opposite direction your character is facing

but maybe I didn't try enough

[lusty cosmos]

Oh gotcha

[meager trail]

yea i don't think you can change the direction by camera movement like how you could with lyam F

[left pasture]

how can i punish special dodge like dagger fan pole sword dodge and fistblade focus dodge

[proven steeple]

There is a small frame window where u can catch them, except fistblades since their in blue state

[left pasture]

so you cant punish fistblade dodge ? even if you predict its

[proven steeple]

there are ways, for example if they hold to second stage lmb focus you can avoid the hit and when they throw the purple "hadouken" u can mid dodge through it and catch them, other wise its about catching them after they release blue and hopefully try and dodge.

[left pasture]

thank for the information
been trying to punish fistblade focus dodge like normal weapon hold dodge i thought there a small gap after the focus dodge finish

[split spire]

You can. Even fist blade dodge is trappable

If you send something like longsword light attack vertical in prediction to enemy dodging

U can trap even their fistblade dodge

It’s a tight timing interaction tho

And risky

But it’s as the guy said punish after blue

[left pasture]

thank

[split spire]

longsword looks fine tbh

we just gotta use this as standard combo now

123 is faster if u dont have muscle memory for 0.9 fastest LS blue release

and about the same dmg

if u use H blue for the 3 in 123

[cinder thorn]

oh what did they change for ls

[meager trail]

game is breaking apart or something?

how could i insta scalerushed off a tree?

[wary escarp]

Weird, the scalerush animation you did is off a wall and not a pole

[meager trail]

yeah

[wary escarp]

Could be weird interaction with grapple or they didn't mark the map properly

Just my theory

[cinder thorn]

could it be a branch that has collision but was incorrectly hidden by the grapple thing

[meager trail]

could be

nevertheless it looks weird

[split spire]

green focus is coming to ranked

which means all 211 combos are now officially dead lol

the best combo is direct grapple carrousel

or uppercut -> manual land carrousel no 211

[cinder thorn]

oh wtf

damn

[unreal wyvern]

why 211 is dead?

its actually good no? since u dont trigger grapple bump to build meter

[meager trail]

think he means 211 used as combo extension

[unreal wyvern]

tbh 211 should have been removed long time ago

i remember one time devs tried to remove it

then they just made things even worse

with a bad fix

then they reverted to how it was

and gave up on it

xd

[split spire]

Yeah this

[sly ore]

when you don't grapple the same round object you land on, it lets you scalerush

for example, grappling a wall but being interrupted by a tree will let you scalerush

or grappling a tree and landing on a branch will let you scalerush

rivelia documented this interaction on naraka wiki

it's known

[loud sedge]

what is the 211?

Im new in this server

And who can give advice to improve in combat?

[teal belfry]

https://youtu.be/c-LgfwQWfO4?si=3qiD9aW6v4_reKDY

[undone anchor]

Depends where you are at; #🏋┃dojo-coaching is always a good place to check out 👍🤔

Otherwise just feel free to ask any questions, we'll do our best to help

https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=RnjQSIr9lCzRrFwS

This is a good starting point tho 👍

[atomic parrot]

а все

[dim abyss]

hit your opponent, don't get hit

it's a broad subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZw3aPhmgiE
https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=RnjQSIr9lCzRrFwS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERpDpM4tck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vMIlhsdQuE

You can start with this i guess

for the fundamentals

compare your gameplay to top players in CN https://www.youtube.com/@NarakaAutoReplays

identify what they do and why they do it, that is different from your gameplay

and download it into your playstyle

one by one

fix mistakes

[torpid trellis]

i mean thats a landmine

they play a different game than global

some things will apply obviously, but a lot wont, and as someone seeking help its unlikely theyll be able to tell

[meager trail]

yeah you try to do what they do you'll get rubberbanded to dead LMAO

[torpid trellis]

[dim abyss]

True

but most things you can apply

[lusty cosmos]

What's your ms

[torpid trellis]

40

that guy had red bars a few seconds later

[arctic pewter]

do you guys think grapple bump is must know for this game?

[dim abyss]

not if you know 211

but you should know at least one of them, it's how you get more damage from a combo starter

either grapple combo or 211 combo

difference is 211 is a bit harder but doesn't use a grapple, but then you lose a bit of damage from the bump

and grapple combo is easier, does a tiny bit more damage, but consumes a grapple

[wary escarp]

If you ask me then no. A grapple combo is nice to maximize damage while being easy enough. However you can make it really far by just being good at neutral

[dim abyss]

the thing is, the learning curve for getting really good at neutral is much steeper than spending 20 minutes to master a grapple combo

the return on investment comparison is silly

grapple combo is just muscle memory and memorizing inputs, anyone can do it

getting good at neutral is something a lot of players will never achieve

if you are the type of player who CAN learn good neutral, learning a grapple combo or 211 would be child's play and significantly increase your lethality

and even if you are not, learning grapple combo will help you secure damage in those rare moments where you do get a lucky combo starter hit

[arctic pewter]

ok then my next question would be about neutral

the ingame tutorial talks about using jh for gap closing

i notice most optimal combos start with h

does jh gattle into h?

what is true into h

or cv

and aside from whiffed parries, when should i go for punishes?

in the top player 1v1s, they sometimes let a missed blue focus go without trying anything.. why?

[arctic pewter]

what would you say makes 211 harder?

just looking at both of them i would feel 211 is easier because its not as reliant on timing ?

[dim abyss]

just harder execution

imo

harder to learn

but once you learn it it should be fine

[dim abyss]

don't trust in game tutorial

it is false

jh is good for hitting running away targets or people in the air or someone scale rushing on a higher elevation

jh tracks really well

but it is not for combo starting, you combo start on a grounded enemy with h for most weapons, or v for longsword

you can combo start on a running away opponent sometimes, but it is hard

[arctic pewter]

so if i hit someone with a jh

i should just go for a mixup right

[dim abyss]

with some weapons you can sliding uppercut a running away opponent like with staff it's really easy and good for chasing

[arctic pewter]

and not just mash h

[dim abyss]

if you hit someone with jh

just do another jh

and then you reset back to neutral

[arctic pewter]

right ok

for all weapons?

[dim abyss]

no

jh is like a low risk low reward move even for a combo starter

say you are in a big teamfight with players all around you

you have 0 chance to perform a full combo uninterrupted

you land a combo starter on someone, just do a double j.h

for weapons you can do it with katana, heng, duals, fistblades, staff and spear i'd say

for fan and dagger you wanna do h->c.h->v for soft true combo

or h->v for true combo

[arctic pewter]

and all of this is true right

ok

i see

[dim abyss]

idk about true but it's reliable

it's safe

low risk

but in situations where u have free space

[arctic pewter]

so really most damage is from chip

[dim abyss]

or a clean fight

[arctic pewter]

and stray hits?

[dim abyss]

u go for a proper combo

[arctic pewter]

with mediocre/bad conversion

[dim abyss]

ye or horrible elevation

that would grief your combo

[arctic pewter]

okok

[dim abyss]

just decide if you can do a 211/grapple in this situation

if not, settle for smaller chip damage

rather than getting 0 dmg and potentially taking dmg from someone else

but u can also pretend to start grapple combo as bait

if u notice someone looking at u, and charging their blue to interrupt your combo, you can pretend to be comboing and then parry

[arctic pewter]

would i be correct in saying 211 is input heavy whilst grapple is timing heavy

[dim abyss]

on greatsword and polesword, those weapons work a bit differen

t

jh is still good for chasing, it covers a lot of distance, but u don't use it in combat like that

for those weapons u rely mostly on standard h and charged v

[dim abyss]

u need proper timing for both

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-LgfwQWfO4

this is a good guide

[arctic pewter]

ok thanks ur the best

[dim abyss]

i would say if ur a begginner u can start with grapple

imo it's easier to learn

[arctic pewter]

yeah well

i ran into a wall with grapple

for like

4 hours

[dim abyss]

but there is nothing wrong with learning 211 as a start too, it imo the better one as it's faster

[arctic pewter]

i seriously cant do grapple combos

[dim abyss]

in some situations where you dont have time to do grapple you can perform a 211

[arctic pewter]

i imagine 211 would be better if its less timing and more inputs

for me at least

[dim abyss]

like in a 2v2, enemy won't have time to help his teammate with your 211, but they will have time to help if u do grapple

[dim abyss]

try and see

each player's brain works differently

[arctic pewter]

ok tysm

[dim abyss]

u might find 211 intuitive and grapple a pain

in almost every combo where you use grapple, you can use 211 instead, and 211 opens up additional combo paths on top of that

so it's objectively better

[dim abyss]

@arctic pewter maybe 211 is not so hard to do after all, scratch that, go for it

i had never taken the time to practice it before, just knew how it works in theory, but i just spent 15 minutes to learn it and i got it, about the same time it took to learn grapple combo, just need to get the timing down and get the muscle memory

[south jungle]

about the basic heng sword combo in the pins;
H - CC - H - CV - G - V1
i'm wondering why they use CC instead of hold dodge like in the long sword combo? it seems to work just as well and is a lot easier to pull off than the CC, especially for a new player like me. do you risk being hit or something if you hold dodge instead of CC?

sidenote: my V1 at the end almost never hits, if i release it on the first ding, second ding, or inbetween them, the bot dodges. is this because of bot 0 ping? or am i needing to time it better?

[dim abyss]

cc is to avoid using stamina

if you have stamina you can just do a dodge

dodge is also useful instead of cc if you need to reposition, for example if you're about to combo uphill or into a wall which would ruin it

cc is generally if you don't have stamina left

you need to release the blue as soon as possible

you don't react to the ding

you memorize the timing with your muscle memory for when it dings and release on that timing, ideally you should be able to do it with your eyes closed and without hearing the ding

[arctic pewter]

yeah 211 is

100x easier

i will never attempt a grapple bump ever again

[south jungle]

thanks! thats very helpful, i'll start practicing

[dim abyss]

do keep in mind that knowing both is the best scenario

[split spire]

this is ping abuse

btw

[dim abyss]

in 1v1 cases where you do have a grapple to spare and you aren't at risk of being interrupted, grapple combo will do more damage

[split spire]

u can only do 1 JH

then neutral is reset

[dim abyss]

from 100 to 163 extra damage (without attack buffs) depending on your weapon

[split spire]

a 2nd JH is untrue ping abuse

[dim abyss]

then keep in mind that 2nd JH only works on some players

[subtle needle]

I try jump parry and its always too slow to parry (hear the parry sound but no parry), is crouch parry faster?

[meager trail]

the ''hearing parry sound but no parry'' issue has nothing to do with what type of parry you did

[subtle needle]

Well i assume the jump might make it slower or smth

[meager trail]

nah

jump parry is better than regular parry in most case

because it pulls you toward the end hitbox of the blue attack

[subtle needle]

sure but my issue is speed now

[meager trail]

nah

it's your ping

when you parry, the sound plays first, then your character turn red, then a red flash appear

only after the red flash appeared the parry is active, the sound and the red overlay on your character means nothing

and the delay between the moment you press parry and the moment the red flash happens depends on your ping

and your fps, somewhat

[subtle needle]

i dont think my ping is bad tho

sub 30

[meager trail]

then you're just too slow

[subtle needle]

ye thats the issue

idk how ppl parry so fast

[meager trail]

probably try dodge parry

on your ping it should work

[subtle needle]

oh alright

thanks

[meager trail]

https://youtu.be/7vMIlhsdQuE

[subtle needle]

[dim abyss]

@subtle needle how parry works is in multiple stages stages visually

The animation, the sound, character glowing red dont matter

What matters is the red flash

No red flash = no parry

Each weapon has its own parry speed and duration too

Fastest being longsword and katanas, slowest nunchucks

[wary escarp]

Take me 3 days for grapple combo and never to learn 211 At this point my fps and ping are so bad I am getting used at just play neutral in match, i.e stabbing people until they die

Like I said, that is if he asked me.

Learning is case by case tbh

But I glad that he finds 211 easy

[dim abyss]

how much fps?

maybe i can help u with 211 i learned it in literally 15 mins today

[wary escarp]

70 on a good day, 30 if big fight

[dim abyss]

oh that is roughh

[wary escarp]

Also I don't have a mouse with side button

[dim abyss]

after like 15min practice

[dim abyss]

u can try a keyboard button maybe

just need something u can easily press with one finger on shift

maybe alt

but then need to disable shift+alt keyboard language swap

or simply stick to grapple if its too much hassle

[wary escarp]

tbh, I tried them trick, they just don't work for me very well

[wary escarp]

I just stick to raw neutral tbh, learning combo is a hassle for me

[dim abyss]

kind of a waste

but i understand why

70fps is rough

[wary escarp]

heh, it used to be worse if you remember

[dim abyss]

then maybe u should play otherr weapons with eaasier combo

like staff/spear

they have that h, v, ch

[dim abyss]

i do

[wary escarp]

Dagger

[dim abyss]

dagger.

of course

but dagger has a combo too lol

on v focus

[wary escarp]

None of them required 211 & grapple, just timing

[dim abyss]

oh so grapple is the issue for u

i see

[wary escarp]

I can grapple, just not very consistent in match since fps and ping

[dim abyss]

yeah

i get it, i limited myself to 40fps just to see and it is really hard

[wary escarp]

So I usually just go for the safer option of just jH or wake up catch

[viscid kelp]

Vang is also high ms to my knowledge

and dodge/crouch swaps get slower with higher ms

you could jump swap but eh

just scuffed setup all around

[wary escarp]

60-80ms in training, 90-900ms in match depended on the day

[viscid kelp]

90-900

goated range

[wary escarp]

I used to reach 9000 once

The image is lost upon server got nuked

[split spire]

211 becomes true at around 70 ms

above 70 ms dont try to 211 on staff

nor nunchucks

u can 211 on katana and heng tho

or longsword 211 combos

[undone anchor]

Most epic image that was ever posted

[viscid kelp]

@grim arch Yo, wanna make 2500USD?

[wary escarp]

@lusty cosmos ayo, free 2500USD

[lusty cosmos]

Ty bro now i can take a vacation

[grim arch]

DID YOU STEAL MY MONEY I'M COMMING FOR YOU

[lusty cosmos]

You were too slow this time

[meager trail]

they should include 1-2-uppercut ''combo'' as a part of basic tutorial for global at this point

[viscid kelp]

I still don't know what they were smoking for both fistblades and knives regarding their stagger

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Takao leveled up!

[viscid kelp]

Both weapons had like 10 different soft true infinites by spamming random attacks on launch

just cuz the devs decided to give every 2nd stage attack 20 metric tons of stagger for virtually no conceivable reason

[meager trail]

also for whatever reason i can't even predict parry a knives 123

and my ping is 50 ms
it's not even bad considering avg global ping

decided to give solo a try and i immediately get reminded why did i choose not to play solo in the first place

i got rubberbanded and failed to hold blue for like 20+ times in a two minutes fight

[viscid kelp]

tbh I'm surprised by that too, I feel like 50ms should be able to parry even knives 123 if inputted asap

but then again knives still has too much stagger

fb just has even more

[meager trail]

yeah but i just couldn't
well if its a h3 then i can but if it's a v3 the parry will fail 100%

[viscid kelp]

against both 2s?

[meager trail]

yeah

just the 3rd attack, if it's a vertical the parry will fail

[viscid kelp]

I think h2 was specifically nerfed stagger wise, v2 is a bit scuffed still

Ya I mean h3 is molasses slow, I figured v3 is the culprit

[meager trail]

funny how i used to say the game basically became a gamble with my ping and fps but then i realized that even if i won the gamble i still lose it

i took the risk by predict parry the 3rd attack because i know that i WILL get rubberbanded if i try to dodge

but even then i still got hit

[viscid kelp]

I did some customs on 60ms recently and it felt aight, but I didn't rly fight a variety of ppl who might punish it more

[meager trail]

even when my prediction was right

[meager trail]

what's ur fps tho

[viscid kelp]

infinite

[meager trail]

aha

[viscid kelp]

[meager trail]

that explains it

[meager trail]

bro WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME

I CAN'T ANYMORE

my light attack hits the ice trail BEFORE IT EVEN APEARRED ON MY SCREEN?

HOW

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS DESYNC

[split spire]

lmao

[meager trail]

💯

[split spire]

has to be a bot

thats a bot exercising its rollback netcode rights

[meager trail]

doesn't matters, the inconsistency is driving me insane

i swear i will never touch solo again after i'm done with this alt acc bp

[split spire]

damn

the thing is tho

when u play solos

u get to learn more about the inconsistencies and how to deal with them (if its possible)

which makes u a way better duo/trio player

this season i reached nirvana solos. Which is pretty much the first season i played solos at the highest rank for more than 10-20 games

and the amount of learning was insane

im now casually 1v2ing ppl in duos

60% winrate even in random queue duos

insane diff

[meager trail]

while what you're saying is true, my point is i give up
i'll play trio because at least i get to hang out with my friends, it's my purpose when playing online games anyway, not aiming to be a skilled player
maybe if i got a good pc and finally free from a stuttering, low fps life i'll consider but for now nope it's definitely not worth it, too many times i did the right thing, my input was on time/as fast as possible but my thing still fails anyway

[split spire]

yeah new pc will be a massive boost

almost everyone who got a new pc also got a massive confidence boost and a massive will to actually learn things they never tried to learn before

(esp advanced combos)

i personally knew how to use most advanced combos pre-new pc but the consistency was so horrendous that i was only practically using basic combos

with new pc i was doing advanced combos everytime in ranked

and its consistent

[meager trail]

yeah what's the point of practicing it when you know it will fail in real matches anyway
i literally can only do basic grapple combo, katana float i can't even do the 2nd jlmb
even ls double uppercut timing is tight as fuck

[viscid kelp]

Did you download Naraka version 0.5 or smth

The fuck is your luck with these interactions lmao

[split spire]

low fps paired with avg global ping

[viscid kelp]

I have played on low fps and mediocre ping

I did not have that type of shit happen with any regularity

(Aside from the fact that I don't see how fps affects either a person dying slowly or Justina ult having a seizure)

[split spire]

they do happen the most when u play against ppl with slightly lower ping than u

so if ur 60 and go against 45-50

ur gonna get so fked by weird interactions

[meager trail]

I DON'T KNOW

like

bro

[viscid kelp]

I think that has more to do with being on 60 in the first place
60ms is already pain territory for ping

[meager trail]

shits like this happens ALL THE TIMES to me

[split spire]

the nature of naraka is ur ping adds up with ur opponent ping

[meager trail]

literally not even ONE fight that happens w/o whacked stuffs like that

[split spire]

the thing is about ping adding up with opp ping is that usually if there is a diff of 10 or more ms ur opponent will be able to do bs that u cant do them back to them

[meager trail]

like bro ppl be like ''up ur neutral game'', ''dont parry just dodge'', ''react to it''

[split spire]

oh dont listen

high ping plays by different rules

ur neutral can get naturally better tho even at high ping

[meager trail]

i literally get punished for doing the ONLY right thing according to what happening ON MY SCREEN

[split spire]

opish casually has 45% winrate in solos at 80 ms

[viscid kelp]

Idk recently I fought someone on 60ms and I'm 30ms natively
I couldn't soft combo break their DB toothpick->uppercut

Multiple times btw

And fps is certainly not my issue

[split spire]

in my experience playing against 60 ms is the most awful experience ever

they can dodge my stuff and their parries work

meanwhile nothing i do works

(high fps 60 ms btw)

[meager trail]

guys it's not just the ping and fps issue, the thing is the game is whacked and in most of its whacky stuffs usually favors low ping high fps

[viscid kelp]

Ngl
I just think
The higher both ppls ping the less shit makes sense

[meager trail]

so when shits like that happens it's always the low fps eating shit

[split spire]

yeah

[viscid kelp]

But if your ping is high you alr have a baseline of shit not making sense
Like attacking someone who isn't in blue armor on your screen but they still armor it

[split spire]

the game literally just adds ur and opp ping together and starts giving out results from the interactions that make no sense

this game's lag compensation is horrible

[meager trail]

i also notice that my character tend to release a light when i'm trying to hold

specially when my fps drop

like my hold command couldn't make it and the game read it as a light, and this fked me over so many times

[split spire]

tbh if i was naraka i'd partner with some good chinese AI company and make it do a netcode that acts as a "judge" where it compares the scenario to what happens in two low vs low ping players and adjusts the result based on pings and gives its verdict

i'd at the very least train it on the most common scenarios

[meager trail]

also ping is tied to fps so when i'm running around i'm at like 50ms with 170fps
then when one person appear my fps immediately drops to 100-120 and my ping just went for a disco

from 55 to 65

and this is when stuffs doesn't make sense anymore

that's why my experience is completely different compare to someone who's PC could reach 300 fps but capped their fps at 120, or someone who's also on 60 ping range but got 300+ fps

[split spire]

im at 85 ms when i go against 7 ms the only sht that dont make sense there is that something like nunchucks H block blue is unparriable and undodgable and their blue super armor shows up in situations they shouldnt be able to hold blue in (i.e sending an LS rmb before enemy hold dodge animation even plays and then enemy hold dodges right into it and they manage to hold blue and tank the rmb)

but parries work

hold dodge parries decently work

tap dodges are decent too

[viscid kelp]

That has to be the worst idea I've ever heard
AI is not gonna be better at this than current netcode
Doing this for every player v player interaction would require data centers 5x the size of current Naraka servers stacked with absurd amounts of expensive hardware
It would be slow as fuck regardless
And it would cause even worse interactions because the added layer of computation causes even bigger delay between input and effect

That idea is actually horrendous

[split spire]

i mean its horrendous for low ping players who wanna rob their way to win

[viscid kelp]

No

It's just

Horrendous

It would make the game legit unplayable

[split spire]

u mean like AI upscaling which at first ppl claimed would make input lag so bad games would be unplayable with it?

[viscid kelp]

You'd play the equivalent of that Will Smith pasta eating video

[split spire]

and then it turned out one of the best things ever?

like while AI upscaling is not as visually accurate as native resolution do u see how much better upscaled low resolution looks than low res?

so yes low ping players will have to play at a worse than native resolution in my example but high ping? the IMPROVEMENT IS MASSIVE.

[meager trail]

i want them to try to optimize their game, also make an even lower graphic quality and cap fps at 200

if they can't redo it as a whole

it's a bandaid but at least it'll fix something

[split spire]

ur essentially making the experience of low ping very slightly worse at the cost of massively increasing the experience of high ping players

and in naraka's situation

it actually makes even low ping situation better because the game in its current state is affected by both party pings

[viscid kelp]

The problem is that a Naraka interaction is a fair bit more abstract than super sampling algorithms which have been studied for years

Have you ever done networking for a game

[split spire]

no but i have common sense to know anything AI based is gonna be better going forwards

[viscid kelp]

I'll remind you when the AI bubble bursts

And the stock market implodes

[split spire]

it wont happen AI is steadily growing and becoming more useful than it was before

[viscid kelp]

Until then I'll leave you with this

[split spire]

AI is still considered in a pre-mature state

it will only get better overtime

[viscid kelp]

Not by companies laying off people for it that actually do work

AI is useful and powerful, and MASSIVELY mishandled by people unqualified to assess its potential in a given context

And AI is not gonna solve shit in this context, interactions will just look even more weird for one side, the other or even both

I have coded programs that make use of netcode, I know how it roughly goes, and AI cannot fix its limitations
The simplest version of why is that each client will continue computing "its own version" of the game even without a server response, however if a subsequent server response contradicts what the client has been doing up until that point, it looks VERY fucked to the player

[split spire]

looking very fked or not is one thing being fair is another

rn its both fked and unfair

sometimes its fair

but most of the times IT IS NOT

[viscid kelp]

It would also be unfair