🔱┃weapons-combat

[flat onyx]

I’m pretty sure you can just do the usual uppercut and spam lmb

But if you get stuck on the wall or rocks

Just catch them with the scalerush

[compact island]

IDK, man it kinda fits the definition

I see

[undone anchor]

The key word is structure here

[compact island]

okay so I have to rotate

[undone anchor]

Structure means man made

Mountains are not 🤔👍😂

If we want to get to details like this one

[undone anchor]

Yep, as a rule of thumb, when there is smth on the way, no combos

[compact island]

IDK, man

https://tenor.com/view/happy-smile-gif-23880383

[compact island]

okay okay

I understand now

[undone anchor]

Yep, it means man made 👍🤔

[compact island]

flint and diamond are man made?

[undone anchor]

If you don't talk about molecules...

[compact island]

as far as I know those exist raw in nature

[undone anchor]

And crystals

But as far as I know diamonds don't constitute walls 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

Id say it's a matter of context

[compact island]

it can totally

[undone anchor]

As everything

[undone anchor]

It could*

[compact island]

Id say a mountain can be a wall

but anywayssss

so when I win neutral in a WALL

[undone anchor]

U got my point tho, correct?

[compact island]

I need to dodge inward to push him out?

[undone anchor]

Sideways to adjust your position, or go behind them and go away from the wall

🤔

[compact island]

okay okay, Ill try that, since I come from fighting games, normally that is the last thing you want to do

haha

thanks for clarifying this

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[undone anchor]

Np

[oak surge]

By same thing I meant long sword after uppercut, a1/ca/b1 then a2 would still airborn enemy and u can follow with a3 or b3

But I still prefer longsword double upper cut 211 b1 and 2 air a

[undone anchor]

not sure what you mean by a and b tbf 🤔

are those referred to controller keybinds?

[oak surge]

A is left click

B is right click

[undone anchor]

ah ok, first time seeing it written like that 👍

[oak surge]

A1 is left click first attack

Etc

[undone anchor]

the 1-2-3 is only possible on katana and LS usually

[oak surge]

Yes

[undone anchor]

no carousel possible on other weapons

not sure i get the point then, u mean the juggle possibility? 🤔 😅

[oak surge]

I think might be possible on dual halberds and blades

[undone anchor]

nop

second vertical is too low to allow a slow followup

[oak surge]

Some time u can see b2 air born enemies but idk if long enough for b3

[undone anchor]

it's long enough, but it's too low and b3 too slow

also a3 is slow, hence they can't connect

[oak surge]

Ye that’s what I thought

[undone anchor]

1-2 is very possible tho, it can setup for a nice reset situation where you have advantage

u can do them with lannie ult, as an extender, but it's not that worth

and not strictly on the weapon

[oak surge]

I hadn’t properly played ranked since the gauntlet came out

Full time showdown player : P

[undone anchor]

i'm a full time low fps practice tool enjoyer 😆

i just like pushing boundaries with combos

[oak surge]

I get 120 ish fps 12 ping

[undone anchor]

i manage 110 at best, but usually it's around 90

25-33 ms

it's a shame, but with some frame perfect things i can push some boundaries 😆

or have fun

the sheate 211 clip above it's insanely hard in that setting

[oak surge]

Best way to improve is to go into custom rooms

[undone anchor]

as you can notice it's on 90 fps

[oak surge]

Yes

[undone anchor]

yes and no

[oak surge]

It’s not easy even with good stuff

[undone anchor]

well about that...

[oak surge]

211 b1 double air a better

More consistent

And versatile

[undone anchor]

tryed it on a friend's pc that had 470 fps and i got it 3 times in a row out of 3 tried 😆

[oak surge]

Nice

[undone anchor]

i can tell you that everything above 200 fps feels a lot easier

but it's also true that i spend hours and hours getting it as perfect as i could in order to manage on low fps 😆

[oak surge]

I’m prob gonna upgrade pc after I graduate

[undone anchor]

it's common sense to never to carousel under 125 usually

[oak surge]

No time to play rn

[undone anchor]

same

not long left before that at least 😆

only a few years

[oak surge]

Too many essays

[undone anchor]

i see

i luckyly have all condensed in a huge exam session atm

[oak surge]

I’m only high school

Uni should be easier

[undone anchor]

uni here

not easier at all

[oak surge]

I do ib

Rn

[undone anchor]

high school i could not do anything and pass with huighest grades 😆

uni i need to work a lot 😆

[oak surge]

Same

Some how there are still classmates failing open book tests

At least my sis told me Uni first two years really easy

Should have more time to play then

[undone anchor]

depends on what you pick

my first year was my hardest one

started growing gray hairs due to stress 😆

[flat onyx]

Don’t pick nursing or med

[undone anchor]

Biology be like 😂😂

[white tundra]

omg for the first time EVER i did a full grapple combo on a PLAYER.... feels good man..

its like landing my first kickflip back in the day....

[meager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-nut-super-nut-gif-13073710

gj

[undone anchor]

Let's goooooooi

[white tundra]

well i started it with akos roar. without abilities its still hard for me to know when to ADA and i also have a bad habit of going 1-2

but we’ll get there eventually

[undone anchor]

The road to mastering Naraka is tortuous, but if you find happiness in progress and little accomplishments but by bit you will enjoy every step of it 👍

[hollow jasper]

i have answer bro

how to complite the swing slay quest? for 10 times

someone know?

[wary escarp]

swing slay?

[storm heron]

I think he's referring to the Sunwing. It's the same scheme as Moonbane, the problem is that for sunwing to appear you need to play on the Perdoria map.

Then you just have to be lucky for him to appear at the end. I've seen some people on reddit saying that if you do well in the game (Points and achievements), you can play the mini game, but I don't know if that's true.

[compact island]

oh so that is why is more rare

its only in one map

I got like double the moonbanes

or more

and I want the bow not the grapple

I thought I was just unlucky

[weary yoke]

dont get me started, I'm suffering just trying to learn the basic true combos

😭

[weary yoke]

also for sunwing you will know if he spawns by paying attention to the top of the map before the match starts. at around 20 second if the ceiling is glowing orange sunwing will spawn at the end for whoever wins (based on my own experiences anyway)

[undone anchor]

If you need help, don't hesitate to ping us 👍👍

But dw, once you get them once, it will go smoothly for those

[weary yoke]

my issue is that following up the combo with the charged attack for the longsword and katana the bot rolls out at the last second

i watched some tutorial vids regarding the issue and they say to hold A or D when doing the grapple bit and i try it but same problem

😭

[crude current]

you're prob releasing too late or grappling in a bad place

[weary yoke]

honestly im thinking is grapple placement

[crude current]

or not buffering the focus

[weary yoke]

because sometimes i do get it off

but its rare off

[compact island]

what are your FPS?

[crude current]

the key that i've found is to aim the grapple inside the aim assist circle, just slightly inside

[undone anchor]

On bots is more precise than humans usually

[crude current]

that too

[undone anchor]

If sometimes it works it's timing

[crude current]

bots operate on 0 ping, obv humans dont have 0 ping

[weary yoke]

im just realizing

[undone anchor]

And this means that either you are holding too long, or starting to hold too late

[weary yoke]

that its maxxed at 60

[crude current]

[compact island]

okay then that it is

[crude current]

that may be a problem

[undone anchor]

Yep, u gonna need to put it on unlimited

[weary yoke]

i can run way higher

[crude current]

[weary yoke]

😭

[crude current]

if you can get like

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[undone anchor]

Combos work comfortably only over 75

And not all of them

[crude current]

120 fps min in an actual match you're pretty much golden for any combo

more or less

[undone anchor]

Ideal is 200 plus, good is 120-130, decent is 80+

[weary yoke]

i had it on 60 since i used to play on a budget pc

but the set up im on rn should run way higher

[undone anchor]

Let's see how it goes then 🤔👍

[weary yoke]

gonna go test it rn

[undone anchor]

👍

[compact island]

what does lyam gold state do after you use your 2 swords?

[undone anchor]

Gold state?

Lyam has no gold state 🤔😅

[compact island]

from ult

[undone anchor]

Except when doing the twist

[compact island]

no, his ult says he gets into gold state

[flat onyx]

Same thing Justina cloak after 3 dashes

[undone anchor]

Once you finish your charges u can just dispel the ult

[compact island]

cloak?

[undone anchor]

Yep, gold state is when you teleport on the orb in v1 and do the spin attack

Only then

[weary yoke]

oh yeah

it was fps

😭

[undone anchor]

Good, problem solved 🤔😂👍

[weary yoke]

i spent like 3 days

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[weary yoke]

losing my mind on why it was inconsistent

thank god it wasnt because i was just that buns at figuring it out

😭

[flat onyx]

Justina v1

Some ults are just like that

Does valdas shield go away after she uses the 3 spears?

[crude current]

no

[flat onyx]

So yeah

Some ults are just useless after using the abilities

Others still have some use

Matari ult you can still teleport behind people after using your abilities and heal while stacking

Lyam and Justina after ult

[undone anchor]

Justina v1 still gives dmg reduction while active I reckon 🤔👍

[flat onyx]

I think only in dash

[undone anchor]

But yeah, Lyam v1 is useless once the charges are expired, unless you can get soul blooms and get more charges

[flat onyx]

Because it says 80% dmg reduction

[undone anchor]

Gotta test 🤔

[flat onyx]

Sure

[undone anchor]

I'll be back once I tested 🤔😂😂

[flat onyx]

Ping me

[undone anchor]

Need to fully wake up and open Naraka first 😂

Will take a while

[meager trail]

don't need to, aero is right

[undone anchor]

K

[meager trail]

dmg reduction during the dash

[hollow jasper]

Please dm me bro

[hoary yarrow]

.

[undone anchor]

?

[compact island]

Valda keep her HP pool after the spears, my question was, what does Lyam "keeps"?

[undone anchor]

Possibility to have more charges if he collects rage via soul blooms or fireflies

As long as you replenish it, you can have unlimited uses technically

Although at max u usually get 1 bonus

[compact island]

what was his rage silence thing time?

[undone anchor]

Silence?

U mean F1? It s a stasys, Lyam has no silence 🤔👍

[compact island]

no silence

the thing where he cannot get more rage

for a time

by atk taking dmg

[undone anchor]

ahhh

rage

i read range

and i was like wtf !? 😆

the whole ult i reckon

only way i knw u can get some is either through glyphs, fireflies, soulblooms

[compact island]

i see

is time for you to hit the pillow

[undone anchor]

ye

gn

[minor remnant]

btw is there any trick to do the nunchuck uppercut -> change weapon charge? my character always wait to touch ground

[flat onyx]

211

[minor remnant]

Mmmm what does that mean?

[naive plaza]

It’s what the technique is called, this video covers it with staff but the concept is the same. It’s about sheathing or swapping your weapon and then swapping it back to your hand to get the focus attack to land without a grapple bump https://youtu.be/LK0f7Cj5wCA?feature=shared

[minor remnant]

OWWWW YOU NEED TO HOLD RMB

[minor remnant]

Thankss

[naive plaza]

Ofc happy to help

[undone anchor]

And release is really precise 👍

[exotic frost]

Hi, anyone got a site/channel where i will find the most up to date combos for all weapons

[undone anchor]

here#🔱┃weapons-combat message

and here #🔱┃weapons-combat message

[jade gull]

Weird question but how many weapons can confirm a musket shot after an uppercut, or is it just a timing and positioning thing?

[undone anchor]

exactly the same as with bow

u can hit once after each combo, when they are on the ground

or u can shot them while they are in the air aswell

but musket headshots do not restand as the bow ones

[jade gull]

I’m Not doing for for combo potential just for the damage, doing cultivation quest and hate having to actually aim XD

I’m console so that shits hard to do XD

[naive plaza]

you can do cultivation in spirit well and bot mode in case you didnt know

[compact island]

Had no idea botmode was valid

I guess I do the crossbow ones in there

crappy weap

[jade gull]

I’ve been doing mostly BB and bot mode

[flat onyx]

Tips for ps against ps?

[wicked socket]

Is there a point where fps advantage caps out?

I'd imagine it's a 240 if so but I'm not sure

[undone anchor]

You mean where having more does not do anything?

With 300 id say 🤔

But even then, the more you have, the easier life you can have doing combos

For example, this is the best I've ever tryed, and let me tell you, it's insane

[flat onyx]

Does Screen Herz have a difference?

[undone anchor]

Screen hertz simply impact on how many you see from what I knw, but game takes actual FPS? 🤔

I recall someone talking about this, but it's not really my field of expertise; I could be wrong on this last one

[crude current]

upgrading gpu the best way to get more fps? cuz i saw somewhere in here that naraka is a gpu heavy game

[undone anchor]

I wish I could help on that, but since I'm playing on a laptop I can't really help ATM, @spice sinew knows definitely better than me here 🤔👍😂

[viscid kelp]

On low settings, Naraka is mostly CPU intensive

However GPU can come into effect without upscaling like DLSS/FSR

[viscid kelp]

As long as you don't use V Sync or cap your fps, no

[crude current]

trying to figure out what i wanna upgrade to get more fps and push into above 120fps in an actual game

[viscid kelp]

My 4070 Ti Super would bottleneck my 9800X3D at like 350fps on lowest settings
But with DLSS it can go to 400-500

[viscid kelp]

Depends more on what you alr have

[crude current]

gtx 1660ti and ryzen 5 5700x. got the cpu relatively recently but the 1660ti i've had for literally yrs

like

5 yrs or smthn xD

[undone anchor]

😱😱😱😱

[flat onyx]

Nice man

Does the dlss actually make sense in naraka though

I thought the air frames were bad for fighting games and gps shooters

[compact island]

naraka problems with FPS is because the default update in unity is called every frame rendered, so no... fake frames that are just post processed image won't break naraka further

[undone anchor]

Hallelujah 😂😂😂

Imagine if you could generate frames 😂🤔

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carrell-magic-tada-magician-trick-gif-15099383

[viscid kelp]

DLSS =/= artificial frames

DLSS at its core is just a deep learning upscaling algorithm
So you take a game rendered at say 720p, then upscale to 1080p for example
Traditionally this would look no different to 720p, but DLSS does some deep learning magic to visually enhance the image, so it looks closer to 1080p despite being upscaled from 720p

This technology makes a lot of sense for many games, including Naraka

On top of that you can enable frame generation on some GPUs
Instead of just upscaling an already existing image, it will interpolate a "fake" frame between existing frames

That is useless/bad for Naraka and comp games

Fucks input lag

[compact island]

does it? never thought about that, I mean it kinda makes sense, but also not sure, since it just crams more where there were none

don't the actual frames should be appear at the same time?

[viscid kelp]

Ye it does mess with input lag
It's decently documented

[compact island]

I see

if you can link to some examples would be great, if not, thats fine, Ill look it up when I wake up

[wicked socket]

Ya

[viscid kelp]

https://youtu.be/GkUAGMYg5Lw?si=ezJBABCtIz9KIYpS

Framegen is a god sent for highly demanding single player titles
But for PvP comp titles, I would stay away from it

[flat onyx]

Agree

[lusty cosmos]

Just a reminder dojo signups are up and we finally added a SEA/AS timeslot
#🏋┃dojo-coaching message

[crisp pebble]

I am new to the game as of yesterday. Is there a way to guard attacks? Or are dodging and parrying the only ways to avoid damage? I thought I saw some players guarding my attacks but I wasn't sure b

[meager trail]

being in blue+ focus make you immune from light attacks stagger, you still take damage from them though
some weapons special mechanic could block even blue attacks like nunchuck horizontal block or polesword/greatsword advanced stoneform

[wicked socket]

There is no way to block, you can dodge, parry, or clash attacks. Greatsword has a special gimmick where instead of clashing it blocks attacks, that is likely what you saw.

[crisp pebble]

I think it was the greatsword that I saw that happen. Thank you both for your help! It makes sense now.

[wicked socket]

No problem!
Do note that while the greatsword is blocking it can actually charge focus, so you need to be careful to not get caught

This is why you'll often see people parry after triggering the block, they're trying to bait out the focus attack. They don't have to do it tho, can attack with crouch attack or just not attack at all and punish you.

[crisp pebble]

Meaning that greatsword users will block (clash attacks), then throw up a parry because they're expecting the opponent to throw out a focus attack?

Also I didn't even consider that crouch attack was a thing

[wicked socket]

Nah other way, they will block and then do the focus, so many players will do a parry hoping to catch then

This will work very well on low level players but you'll get blown up for it later

[crisp pebble]

Oh so the gs user blocks, then opponent parries because a lot of gs will follow up with a focus attack

[wicked socket]

Exactly

Since the block lets them charge a focus during it

The mindgames around releasing it or not are a big part of greatsword play

[crisp pebble]

Got it. That makes a lot of sense actually. I'm trying to incorporate what experience in souls pvp I have into this game, as it translates somewhat, but I'm finding if I focus too much on the incorporation that I lose track of all the new stuff

[crisp pebble]

Yeah it seems like the duration of charging the focus attack might be a bigger part of the mind games than I realized

[wicked socket]

Oh it absolutely is

At higher levels focus attack charging is like one of the main forms of pressure since you can cancel charging into a jump/dash/crouch

[wicked socket]

example

Can see some of the mindgames going on with it lol

[crisp pebble]

That's interesting. I'll probably get punished for it since I've never tried it, but I'm going to play around with that later today just to see what it feels like.

And yeah I can definitely see the mind games. That's super cool.

[wicked socket]

Yeah I'd probably drop a lot of the soulslike stuff they're pretty different (stuff like spacing still applies though)

If you have fighting game experience it should carry over a lot nicer

[white tundra]

damn,
i'm really starting to like fan...

[wicked socket]

fan/dagger are like the one weapon that's never clicked for me

I literally just can't use them lmao

[white tundra]

ive played dagger a bit

[crisp pebble]

I have zero 🥰

Nioh is probably the closest combat system to naraka I've used, and that still doesn't translate super well (not to mention I don't even have much experience with Nioh)

[undone anchor]

https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=JUJio2NQrP84mLVl

https://youtu.be/kXEjHzqPYyA?si=JJXLQvNoGjbKC1d6

These can be a good starting point to understand and improve 👍🤔

[crisp pebble]

Thank you!!!

[undone anchor]

Np!

If you got any questions about anything don't hesitate to ask

[flat onyx]

Dann dojo time is the same time as my hero’s assemble

Wanted to join in 😦

[jade gull]

Will naraka ever be fixed on console?

[viscid kelp]

Oh yeah btw both of those components are limiting
I used to be limited by my 5700X, it had me around 110-150 fps ingame
But the 1660 Ti is also just a very low end, old GPU

Going for CPU upgrade first could maybe make sense if you use smth like lossless scaling

[crude current]

I was thinking of getting 3070 first and then maybe an x3d later

[compact island]

Ohh I see, is mostly the discrepancy not actual time, yeah makes sense to me now, thanks for the link

[compact island]

why you don't do anything when you do the nunchuk H block? you get nothing guaranteed out of it? or you screwed up?

[wicked socket]

Not my clip so idk lol

It's from one of Zay's montages

[compact island]

I see

Im inclining to nunchuks lately, I think their fetures are pretty cool, but have no idea how to use all the kit properly yet

[jade gull]

Vertical charge chase all you gotta do XD

but fr nunchucks hella fun you can get some Deven combos going if opponents don’t know how to fight em

[compact island]

but vertical cannot combo and does not has the block

nice if you have flurry, I guess

is there a way to combo flurry?

[jade gull]

Charge vert 1.0 uppercut jump down vert ( can roll catch if timed right) jump down vert horizontal 1 2 uppercut

And for flurry no that I know of

[compact island]

aereal vertical combo into horizontal?

damn thats is totally news to me, haha imma try it right now

[jade gull]

To get the horizontal it’s not true it’s a roll catch / timing

[compact island]

okay then I did not get it, you typed a.V two times I thought one was for counting frames and the other to hit

so you do charge V->c.V->a.V->a.V->H

so H is the one that catches the roll?

[jade gull]

The second Av is also not true it’s more a a catch to continue

Because it knock ‘em down

[compact island]

ah okay, so you hit them in them floor if they do not tech roll, and then you try to catch the wake up with H

[jade gull]

Yeah

[leaden belfry]

How do you do a ground grapple combo? I heard someone mention that its one of the only grapple combos available at 100ish ping

[crude current]

exactly what you said, you grapple the ground after uppercut

when you use the grapple, keep holding the input

so the focus charges as early as possible

not every weapon can do a grapple combo

[wicked socket]

https://youtu.be/lzo4-geE83Q?si=WhJ_psC4-6Wlrass

This combo is nice because it's very strong, and mostly ping and FPS agnostic

It's all you need to be good, your combos don't need to be any more advanced then this, it's good enough

[leaden belfry]

Thanks!

[real yarrow]

Any tips for the nunchucks and neutral in this game

[undone anchor]

https://youtu.be/kXEjHzqPYyA?si=1QSs88hUI0L8Q6Wx

[real yarrow]

Thanks!

[undone anchor]

https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=SGa2GeFKaElfC1Bh

Also this one 👍👍

They are a good starting point to understand how everything works

[real yarrow]

And is it just me or are the dual halberds's focus really hard to parry

[undone anchor]

It's like this for a lot of 2 stages focuses

Cuz you simply try to guess more and feel more threatened

Overall they are easily parriable if instead of parrying you dodge away preemptively, due to their long duration 👍

But they feel threatening indeed, same with spear and staff for example

[real yarrow]

Which way should I dodge left right or back?

And should I hold dodge or tap dodge

[undone anchor]

If dodging things always try to tap dodge

Longer distance, more I frames

[real yarrow]

Ok that's what I thought

[undone anchor]

Hold dodge is mostly used for combos, to keep the flow and timing

Since it's shorter and has less frames where you can't move

(u can dodge also with that, but it's tighter)

[real yarrow]

Ok I was right then cause I was thinking hold dodging was more of a defensive mechanic and hold dodging was offensive

[undone anchor]

As for the direction , it depends, there is not an answer that will always be the correct one, it always depends

[real yarrow]

Also some weapons seem better for scale rushing than others is that true cause I'm struggling with that stuff too

[undone anchor]

Yes, all weapons have a different scalerush

This means for speed, lenght

Dagger and fan are the best for scalerush, longsword the fastest

Worst ones are the slow weapons like GS and PS

[real yarrow]

What about the nunchucks and katana

[undone anchor]

Katana is good , an overall good weapon, but worse than Heng sword

Strength of katana is in combos; you use it as a base weapon to learn neutral since it's very straightforward

Nunchucks are decent id say? For scalerushing

Bit on the slow side

[real yarrow]

Ok cool

Cause movement in this game is difficult and it feels even more difficult on console

[crude current]

This game tends to favour PC which is unfortunate for console players since they'll have a little steeper learning curve

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Bunny leveled up!

[real yarrow]

Damn...

[crude current]

But imo that makes good console players all the more impressive

So you use that to brag and get b1tchez

[real yarrow]

Shiiit even if I wanted to I couldnt

[crude current]

Nah don't say that

I believe in you

This game can feel daunting cuz of the skill difference between the avg player and a good player

But anyone can reach that point with effort and practice

[jade gull]

Moka says this it take about 6mo of playing to game to have a basic understanding of all mechanics

[leaden belfry]

Can console players just plug in a XIM and use m&k?

[crisp pebble]

I am currently playing on controller (despite being on PC) because the idea of learning m&k sounded like a lot. Is it worth sucking it up and just learning m&k? Specifically, are there moves and such that can only be done with m&k?

[rotund solstice]

play for comfort and what you want to do long term

from what i know you can do all practical combos on controller and ive personally seen some disgustingly good controller players like on yt and such

this game does have a medium high mechanical ceiling, but after a few months of practice, you will only be held back rank wise by your ability to read and predict your opponent, win neutral often etc

combos dont matter if you cant win neutral anyways, controller is fine

ive actually considered whipping my controller out to give it a try and see how it feels comfort wise, im having a good time on mnk but some games like apex, controller is just so satisfying

[crisp pebble]

That's helpful; thank you. I've barely played mnk on any games, so controller naturally feels better to me.

What does "win neutral" mean? I'm pretty sure I know what you mean by neutral, but I've not heard the term winning neutral.

[crude current]

winning neutral is just whoever lands the first hit of a combo

[wary escarp]

Not really, chipping is still a thing

[crisp pebble]

Oh that makes sense. Since the person who lands the first hit out of neutral would get to start their combo. Speaking of combos, I understand the premise of them, but I'm wondering if there's combos beyond mixing up basic and focus attacks.

[wary escarp]

mixing up normal attack and focus is just mixing, combos is another thing

[crisp pebble]

Ok I made the mistake of looking at almost every pinned comment in the server except for this one

I'll check those combo things out

[compact island]

chipping is not winning neutral, tho

chipping is part of the neutral game yes, but you are not winning there

[wary escarp]

but that's a part of winning neutral, you don't need to win it right away, you need to put pressure on it

[compact island]

you are still in neutral

but he asked specifically what "Win neutral" is

[wary escarp]

Ah, alright

[compact island]

the definition of neutral come from being on a state that is "Neutral" for both players meaning both have a common ground, when you "Win" mean that you have the advantage. Now normally this is by as bunny said, landing a hit which leaves your opponent open for follow up atks and now you have switched from being neutral to you being in advantage, so your opponent is FORCED to play a defensive option only, he cannot longer win any offense in that state

In a proper game ofc there are a lot of game who have lost respect for this and let you mash your way out with no consequences, but that is a rant for another time

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[crisp pebble]

Thank you for the thorough response. My knowledge of fighting games and terminology is next to nothing, so I appreciate everyone helping out.

[meager trail]

so i stumbled upon this vid

[flat onyx]

It’s time to do this to some poor soul

[undone anchor]

Gl doing that 🤔😅😂

240 FPS is nearly perfect to frame, on 300 is still hard AF 🤔😂😂

Spend about 5h trying to get it under 200 FPS, didn't work once

(if uanage send a clip, as a combo is epic)

[undone anchor]

Wrong channel; spamming won't do anything and we can't do anything about it. Give evidence, photos, videos, ID and nickname, all you can and make a post in #1266668874125021225 ; it will take a while

[weary swallow]

thy

[undone anchor]

See the progress in the weekly reports given to us by the kind people working at this game 👍👍

[rotund solstice]

This game making me look into getting a new monitor lol

Only getting 120-160 frames, higher with frame gen on (consistent 200+) but it makes a lot animations blurry af like wuchen ult

Has anyone tried downscaling their res? Currently my monitor is 21:9 (ultra wide) 2k res 144hz refresh with a 4080

I thought about setting the game to 1080 for higher frames but that might make things jank since that’s 16:9 lol

Some people’s combos look so smooth on yt and then I see they have like 300 fps and a regular sized monitor

[wicked socket]

I play at min settings lmao

25 render scale babyyyyy

160 fps on it, works fine enough for practical purposes

[rotund solstice]

25 render scale holyyyyy, i guess i could give that a go and see how it is LOL thanks for letting me know and sharing your settings

[wary escarp]

You have over 100 fps, that's better than me

[wary escarp]

Don't recommend tho, below 70%, Matari invisible outline just kinda gone and she turns true invisible

[wicked socket]

I can still see her tho

Like from what I've seen

[wary escarp]

I used to play with 25% render scale and my pc reached 90 fps lmao

Can't say I see Matari

[viscid kelp]

A 4080 can defo push 300fps+ at that res, provided your graphics preset is on all lowest. No render scale reduction needed however, only DLSS upscaling. On that note DX11 usually performance a bit better than DX12 in this game

Do not use framegen. It increases input lag and due to how Naraka behaves with fps and animations, usually harms game feel. For any PvP/comp title, I'd stay the fuck away from frame gen

[rotund solstice]

Ah yeah im on dx12 and such, ill try that out before going to dropping some res scaling

[marble niche]

where can i go to watch high end gameplay?

[undone anchor]

U mean high level? Usually china players

OUG.Mike is for sure the best u can check

Arano aswell, Spider too 🤔

Otherwise lighthypernova is really good aswell

He plays on NA and streams, so for sure u can get a few vids 🤔👍👍

For EU and tarka specifically u can check dunkingdonuts aswell 🤔👍

[flat onyx]

Hwq plays tarka in cn

You can check him out

T225 and spider play super aggressively in IW

Mike is more chill

[viscid kelp]

https://youtube.com/@narakaautoreplays?si=6YZrKncJpCQ6AP-A

[undone anchor]

If you looking T225 is really strong yeah

[flat onyx]

But pros play cyra, lyam and hadi a lot

I have seen some play mainly on Takeda or Justina

[flat onyx]

I think he is top in iw in CN rn, with second place 500 points behind or smth

[meager trail]

cyra is out of the picture atm

justina population suddenly rise up

hadi justina lyam are the most popular, other solid heroes like temmy valda akos tessa poped up here and there

in highest level solo matches

there's also some one trick viper and takeda

[rotund solstice]

Whose got the most goated pistol tips (besides don’t miss..) I got the extreme cat pistol and want to run it more but it just seems kinda ok unless you get detonating rounds souljade

Bow is good without any souljades, crossbow is solid, great if you have a tianhai, musket solid too as a longer range bow style, pistol is just like, medium range neutral chipping I guess?

Best I can find is just learning how to quick swap back and forth for quick chips in 1v1s or hitting bells

[flat onyx]

pistol is pretty good with the quick charge souljade

and it shoots i a more spread out shotgun pattern, might be useful when somebody is kiting in buildings, because it's easier to hit

otherwise yeah

got no ideas how to utilise it better than to not miss and just shoot

[meager trail]

pistol is one of the best if not the best ranged weapon for solo, welp except you're good with bow for multiple bow headshots ig

but pistol got fast speed projectiles, huge hitbox and it could deal serious damages

[viscid kelp]

The main benefit of pistol is high bullet count relative to its speed/damage
The only other ranged weapon with a higher bullet count is crossbow, though crossbow has too long of an animation lock to be relevant in melee combat
With pistol however, quick swaps/poke damage like this is entirely feasible

This is good for prolonged fights where other ranged weapons might run out of durability

The large bullet spread is helpful if your aim isn't great, but it also leads to inconsistent damage numbers across larger distances
By charging the pistol, you actually narrow its bullet spread, so on high range, charging is recommendable

In melee range however, you should never charge it imo. Not only does it slow you down and leave you vulnerable to light attack stagger, the first charge of pistol is actually a total damage deficit compared to no charge

The only reason charging at high range increases damage, even on first charge compared to no charge, is the improved accuracy

[meager trail]

just watch some of kled vod and u'll see what he could do with pistol

[viscid kelp]

Also, a charged pistol can actually penetrate thin walls

In general I think pistol is p good
I personally like it because my aim can be very hit or miss (), and its fast projectile speed alongside the bullet spread kinda makes up for it

With bow I have to predict my enemy's pathing and arrow travel time based on charge time, and try to figure out where their center of mass will end up within that time

Too small brain, can't compute

[meager trail]

yeah gotta love the fast projectile speed and big hitbox

[rotund solstice]

huge thanks @viscid kelp the videos for reference are really awesome, i had to watch the first clip back a few times for the inputs since it was so smooth and fast haha but i really appreciate it a lot!

[pale lance]

Hownare yo?

[viscid kelp]

Happy to help

[rotund solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[meager trail]

how did this parry missed?

[compact island]

Ill say due to ugly PP, did you try changing it?

🤔

[radiant parcel]

ping issue seems like

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blackcat-meme-stare-starecat-gif-15206143768190582689

[compact island]

Thats the reason, then

https://tenor.com/view/cat-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-vegetables-gif-15621481

[rotund solstice]

too much cat slander goin on here

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lick-conk-conky-kitty-gif-18021368

[viscid kelp]

Flash gone, no parry

Was insanely close though

If your enemy had nunchucks, you 100% get parried there, because nunchucks have a way longer parry window

[compact island]

Wow thats news to me, the parry window is different for each weapon? any way you can point me, so I can see this info?

[viscid kelp]

https://youtu.be/kWTu9HfytNE?si=dbPFcPPc-lnJAUym

I wouldn't trust the absolute numbers, because the way parries work in free training is way different compared to how they work in the actual game
I think the total parry windows are all shorter than what MelonSoju figured out

Nonetheless it's a good video that illustrates how weapons behave differently in terms of parry windows

[compact island]

yeah ofc that is what I was discussing with Nova once, if you know a lil a bout the flaws of the game you know this stuff varies, but you now have a reliable number to work with

damn nunchuks are really something else

is funny how katana does not even win this round vs hengsword, they really do not want you to use katana, haha

I find weird how the fastest weapons are just better at it

IMO should be the other way around

dem nunchuks are built for defense

Then again it actives very slow, wonder what is better at high level play, fast start small window or slow start big window

[undone anchor]

What is their pingg)?

[compact island]

UglyPP ms

no bueno

[flat onyx]

No way

That’s so strange

[flat onyx]

Heng sword is cool sword

[viscid kelp]

The startup time is one of the things I'm skeptical about
The issue is, that in real game scenarios, parries get server validated
In free training, they do not

I'm not sure how the server validation interacts with the startup time

[compact island]

yeah we cannot know, but we do know that if it does not work for LS it will not work for anything else

in theory at least

[viscid kelp]

Because imo it's insanely noticable that nunnies have a longer parry window
But parry speed I never felt to such extent

[compact island]

"Nunnies"

[flat onyx]

I’ve actually gotten most of my parries on ls and heng

Probably because I don’t play nunchucks

[compact island]

I ve been maining "Nunnies" lately, I like em

[unreal wyvern]

i can tell 100% heng/katana have insanely fast parry startup

[viscid kelp]

You're 800ms, you can't tell anything

/s

[undone anchor]

They should be mid low TBF 🤔😅

There are faster weapons

[flat onyx]

Nunchucks + velocity

Now let’s talk Abt speed

[undone anchor]

LS 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[unreal wyvern]

i have fiber for like almost half a year already

30-40 ping

[undone anchor]

It's always the answer

[undone anchor]

How many in naraka?

[unreal wyvern]

30-40

in internet speedtest i have 1ms

xd

[undone anchor]

Speed test does not matter

We talking about shown ms in naraka 👍👍👍

[unreal wyvern]

thats why i say ping in naraka

in real game

[undone anchor]

Yep👍👍

[unreal wyvern]

when i get 5090 and build new pc

should prob go down

5-10

since fps affects ping in naraka

[undone anchor]

Nop???

That ain't true at all

FPS impacts animation speed, nothing to do with ms and ping 🤔

[unreal wyvern]

u can easily test it

check ur ping

then tank ur fps and compare ping

im talking about ping displayed in top right corner in naraka

[flat onyx]

Ping in naraka is prob not actual ping

[distant mountain]

👍

[flat onyx]

It’s prob the ms delay between frames plus internet

[tough charm]

aqui alguien habla español xd?

[meager trail]

40-45

[compact island]

#💬┃charla-general

[viscid kelp]

It is

Fps affects ping

You can go down by like 5-10ms just through having higher fps

[undone anchor]

This sounds bad 🤔🤔

They shouldn't have an impact on each other 🤔🤔🤔

It would mean that frames have an event bigger impact 🤔, 5-10 ms is a huge deal, especially for someone already on low ping

[viscid kelp]

Well, yeah
When Shayol ult shield bash got nerfed while I was low ms, I could blue armor ult shield bash -> katana lmb only in customs

Because in customs, I was 12ms with consistent fps

In real games where my fps dropped and got inconsistent, I went up to ~20ms, couldn't armor it

[flat onyx]

You can blue armour shield bash?????

The hell????

[viscid kelp]

Of her ult
Used to be able to

Maybe I can find a clip

I think Shayol ult got reverted to pre nerf stagger, so I think this doesn't work anymore
But it's only what I heard, I can't confirm

If you don't decouple networking from game logic, this isn't surprising btw

[meager trail]

doesn't have to be nunnies lol i mean i got parried with wayyy earlier red spark and on dh too

it's so inconsistent

weapon diff, fps diff, ping diff, everything could affect the timing for the parry to be successful or not

literally a coinflip at this point

[undone anchor]

I won't make the same mistake in the future then, thanks for explaining 🤔👍

[wicked socket]

how much fps do you need for nunchuck 211? I have 140 and have been trying to do it, do i just suck or is it one of those things that's super dependant

[vast patio]

question about double uppercut with katana and long sword.

im 90-120 fps

when i do m1 c c m1 c m2 Q c m2 after the grapple the uppercut is so random sometime it works sometime it doesn't is there any consistant way to land it i tried holding a or d during the uppercut before it didint help much tried dashing but the endlag

[undone anchor]

Manage it on 90

Try sending a clip, we canaybe see what's wrong with it 🤔👍

[undone anchor]

Probably you are changing your grapple positioning

And I'm guessing that the uppercut timing is also slow

FPS are more than enough 👍

[compact island]

Im going to say that making a good netcode with infinite variations of FPS is impossible, IMO. at least in the server should be running at a fixed fps

[compact island]

someone know if the grappling atk counts as grappel distance travel? or it stops counting the moment you atk?

[wicked socket]

Yeah it should have a fixed frame timer on server that it checks everything again

This would fix ping too somewhat (not perfect but would help)

[compact island]

after giving it a thought, I now think it would just be freaking confusing, cuz your feedback would not match at all, if you are not in the same FPS, there is no other way but to cap it on the client and then program a netcode accordingly

[undone anchor]

When you attack it stops being a grapple

[compact island]

I hate that daily same with the complete 6 scrolls one

should be 200 tops

[undone anchor]

Yo can do around 40 m with 1 grapple usually 🤔👍

[compact island]

Yeah but sometimes I want to save em for an actual fight not just to fill a quota for a dumb quest

[undone anchor]

🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[compact island]

The daily quest, that ask you to travel 500 with hooks

thats the one I am complaining

[flat onyx]

It’s annoying, but you don’t have to do it in 1 go

[viscid kelp]

You can swap daily quests

Also, I'm p sure the server runs at a more or less fixed tick rate
I wouldn't see any reason/pointers for it not doing so

[compact island]

Actually you are right, I knew this but I was low on tae when I saw that, now I am swimming in tae that I do not need, I can just refresh till I get one that is not apain

haha

https://tenor.com/view/ah-eto-bleh-anime-bleh-gif-26784876

[compact island]

I mean yeah maybe its just running at 1000FPS all the time so no one notices a cap

haha

at this point I do not even think there is a server running the game, its probably just validating individual requests

[wicked socket]

No there absolutely is

They'd have to redo a bunch of coding stuff

But they could without it feeling much different

[viscid kelp]

I mean even if the server has a 60 ticks/s cap, we couldn't tell
I would assume that's what it's running at

[compact island]

I do not think so because, no combos would work ever since at 60fps are near impossible

[viscid kelp]

Client fps and server fps don't have to align for such things

Most competitive games have a 60 tick rate and you still benefit from having higher fps on your end

The reason why combos are hard on lower framerate is because your animations are slowed down compared to higher framerate, but your client's fps affecting animation speed has nothing to do with server tick rate

[meager trail]

why does FPS affect ping in this game?

it's clearly a thing in naraka but all of my google search results saying ping has nothing to do with fps

so how and why is this a thing

[lusty cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-spaghetti-italian-gif-14634187

[flat onyx]

Naraka ping is prob not ping but more like latency

So it’s affected by ping and frame s

[meager trail]

so the server increase the latency when our FPS drops? but why?

[flat onyx]

No, I think it’s just combines the frame latency rate + real ping

So lower frame rates increase the frame latency adding to the value

[meager trail]

i don't understand at all lmao

[flat onyx]

So you know real ping

Now imagine that the connection between your inputs and what happens also has a delay

So when you move your mouse, it doesnt turn immediately

It moves only with frames

So higher frames get you less still images per second

So every frame lasts less time

So for 60 fps the latency is like 16ms

By default, even if you have 0 ping

And for 120 fps it’s only 8ms

Now naraka just adds these together, calling it “ping”

[meager trail]

so you're saying the number showing on the top right of our screen isn't just the ping between us and the server, but a combination of the frame latency and the ping to the server, so when our FPS is low the frame latency is high = number went up?

[flat onyx]

Yeah I guess so

But that’s what I’m assuming at least

[meager trail]

🤔 hmm

[flat onyx]

[compact island]

because most of those games do not have trash code, haha.
Any game dev with 2 active neurons knows you should not link FPS to game actions since you have no control over the hardware, that was a thing back then in the console glory days, but those are long gone, so yes for naraka it could affect

I am not saying I am 100% sure about this, ofc I do not know what their netcode is doing, but It kinda makes sense for what we know

[compact island]

It should NOT affect the ping, but since someone here already tested it, it is probably the netcode compensating with extra delay, there is a netcode approach known as "Delay based" so probably its something related, pretty much what this approach does is that adds fake delay to reach a common ground among the players, with that said I do not think that is your case, in your case it should be your ugly pp, change it

[meager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-no-sonfys-gato-no-sonfys-gif-8146617797445132340

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-gif-22341545

[viscid kelp]

Naraka didn't do this on purpose
It's a known issue with time keeping in Unity engine

They in fact have fixed it in some instances

In the past for example, if you had super low fps, your Justina dash went like 10m

Now that no longer rly happens

[compact island]

Haha, I would have more respect for the devs if they did that on purpose

I have no idea who told the community that naraka devs are innocent and is all unity fault

were the devs themselves?

because I am a unity dev, and I can tell you right now, how to not have these issues, and Is not like I am the only one that knows, there are games out there made with unity who did not make this huge mistake, is game dev 101

[jade gull]

Basic grapple combo is doable on console in the current state of the game yes or no?

[undone anchor]

as long as you have 65 fps yeah; but on console it's always better to consider it not feasible still i'd say 🤔

[compact island]

I think the new revisions the "Pro" versions do run the game in 120

at least I heard an xbox player said that

I cannot confirm nor deny his claim

[viscid kelp]

I don't think anyone says that
It's a common and known issue with unity and plenty of games simply go the fps lock route over it

Which would also work for Naraka

The devs could have chosen a different engine, could have implemented things more properly from the get-go and still can simply lock the game to 120 frames or below

[left lodge]

I just want mouse input fixed, the deadzone feels awful.

[marble niche]

ive seen someone talking about using scroll wheel for weapon swapping. is that needed if so can someone share good keybinds

[undone anchor]

Standard ones are just right for me 🤔, only thing I changed is crouch and parry on side mouse buttons and sheathe on caps 🤔👍

Pick what feels the most comfortable id say

[marble niche]

ah okay, im new to kbm so nothing feels right as of now

[undone anchor]

yeah, it takes a while getting used to it

be sure to check some guides, and if you ever need help dont hesitate to ping us 🙂

[compact island]

Dude, I am telling you, that is not true, you can work with time in unity, yes the update function is called every frame but you can still work with time instead of frames, unless you do not know how to code

[compact island]

what is a deadzone for a mouse?

[viscid kelp]

From what I know the time keeping in unity is fucked to begin with
Even MASSIVE games with infinite money behind them lock to 60fps for consistency purposes

[wild moon]

hey guys, is there any channel where i can post a clip in for advice? I'm trying to learn a grapple combo for longsword and the training bot keeps dodging away at the last hit

[viscid kelp]

Genshin Impact for example is printing money, and they still have a 60fps lock on PC
120fps on tablet

[viscid kelp]

This channel is fine for anything of that sort
Pins have some guides too

[wild moon]

ah okay, I guess I just dont have permission to post files

[viscid kelp]

Oh yeah
You need to send a few messages to level up, then you can send media

Like 10-20

[wild moon]

ok thank you!

[compact island]

and chars move faster on tablet?

[viscid kelp]

No, because I assume from the ground up, the PC version was coded for 60fps whereas the tablet version was coded for 120fps
Otherwise there is no reason to have these arbitrary limits in place

[compact island]

you cannot just decide that from a built up engine, there is no button to swap you have to recode a lot of stuff which I doubt they did, but what I can assure you is that I have done time based stuff myself

[left lodge]

Naraka has a deadzone on mouse movement, meaning that if you move the mouse too slowly, your crosshair slows down much more than it should or even stops completely.
You can get all the way across your mouse pad with almost no crosshair movement if you move your mouse slowly enough. In other words, negative acceleration.

[compact island]

I had no idea this was a thing in naraka, haha

cannot be altered by altering mouse sensitivity?

[left lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/E2FeIKVdkTU This shows it off, it's a different game but it's the same in Naraka and no, it can't be turned off.

[viscid kelp]

Well, yes
I was implying that despite sharing the same engine, the mobile version and desktop version were likely coded almost entirely separately, given the different platforms and their requirements

One way or another, there is absolutely no explanation to arbitrarily cap the framerates in such ways, other than concerns over the game misbehaving if they aren't capped

and this isn't from a company that is incompetent in terms of coding, or lacking funds

[compact island]

I guess, the frame cap seems fishy

[viscid kelp]

Afaik even a lot of fps/shooter games have found slight animation/fire rate changes with different framerates

It's just a loooooot less noticable

With Naraka it's brutally obvious because of how much stagger/displacement matter

[compact island]

with naraka is brutally obvios because okay let say you have these slight variation in other games, lets go with that

with naraka seems like they didnt even try these obvios approaches

they just went full update ++

[left lodge]

It might be possible to run all game logic on a separate thread at 60hz but they're probably in way too deep at this point and don't want to break anything.

[compact island]

Oh yeah that I can agree with, they effed up so hard already, changing stuff meaning redoing everything from the ground up

which is not gonna happen

[compact island]

so I did a lil check cuz I found it weird

https://youtu.be/iEqcq1OnZwU?t=51

game runs pretty muich the same all across, it is time coded

the reason is lock is apparently a deal with apple

that you can only 120 with them

you can just patch your game an unlock your FPS in PC

[viscid kelp]

Is the Apple thing confirmed?
Because I know of the fps modding, but I also know that ppl don't rly get banned for it

It would hardly make sense

[compact island]

I do not know, I am not in that crowd, just did a quick search, and thats what I found

but game runs pretty much the same side to side

is clearly time coded, maybe the effed time thing is true, but at a milisecond scale not at a frame scale

like naraka

haha

they are just incompetent

[viscid kelp]

Wuthering Waves, I think built on Unreal Engine(?) though, also has such a 60fps lock

It seems weirdly common

[viscid kelp]

I see

Actually, I think WuWa increased to 120fps by now

think

[compact island]

I have never used Unreal, but I am sure, you can time code too, as I said even if what you heard is true about the time issue, it would be a miliseconds issue not entire frames issues, naraka devs just did everything by default they did not worked with time clearly, which is gamedev 101

and realizing that is a thing after you finished your game, welp you have to redo everything again, which is not happening

so yeah frame capping is the only solution, and its pretty weird they had not make it, I said in some thread that probably a lot of chinese whales do not want that

otherway its just dumb

Also if I made a multiplayer game I would frame cap and ratio lock, regardless to even the field, is just a smarter solution

in single player I would not care just go nuts

[compact island]

Seems pretty annoying

I knew this was a thing for controller first time I see it for a mouse

what do the majority of people think about this? is like auto turn off feature? or do many like it

[meager trail]

funny thing is on official tournaments they cap FPS to 240

[compact island]

Haha, Imagine the tourneys with different FPS

everyone playing a different balance patch

oh boy

[meager trail]

[viscid kelp]

Funnier thing is, they know so little about it, that people with micro acceleration cheat have gotten away with it through the excuse of fps

I.e. make yourself 10% faster, say you just have NASA PC

And this slipped through tournaments

[compact island]

But, isnt that count as altering the game? as it should be auto detected by anti cheat?

[viscid kelp]

Bold to assume the anticheat works

[compact island]

My bad

I do not know what I was thinking

[viscid kelp]

[meager trail]

iirc they got a way to bypass the anti cheat, in short they run the cheat on a diff PC then use a specific connection device to ''port'' the hack over to their main PC which run naraka, this way the anti cheat couldn't detect the cheat program because it's literally not there

[compact island]

Cool approach, haha

they should give them style points

[left lodge]

Oh yeah, there's one more thing about it, the higher your frame rate the worse it is. If you have 300fps your crosshair is like completely stationary with slow movements.

[storm heron]

I don't even know why I'm watching Genshin here and I'm halfway through the conversation, but only IOS is optimized for 120fps. I've already used mods in Genshin and things simply improve a lot.

If you play with Ayato using 60fps, his elemental ability generates a total of 15 hits, at 120fps, you generate 19 hits, then when you mix it with atk speed, enemies without hit lag among other things, everything gets better...

[viscid kelp]

Well yeah, which proves the point fps accelerates animations, which is why the game is capped to 60fps

Because that's what they design it around

Thanks for the input though

[compact island]

Interesting, wonder why that side to side comparison looks very similar, do not care enough to test it myself, but yeah definitely nice input

[compact island]

do you know if its only animations or does affect travel distance and rotation?

cuz one thing I have not used in unity is 3D animation

so maybe that is where all the fuzz is exactly

[compact island]

in naraka rotation is affected, travel I am not sure, do you know if travel distance is affected in naraka by fps?

[compact island]

okay specifically looked for that now and the solution I got was the same as for 2D ones

soooo are mihoyo incompetent too? IDK, would need to make one 3D animation myself using time, and see what happens

chinese can't code?

[compact island]

Okay, I see the issue now

and well it seems that the problem is bigger than I thought

the importing is the issue, so to solve this you would need to contract animator that also can code, since they would need to code the animations for it to work properly, and that is just inconvenient from a company POV since animators are cheaper than programmers

yikes

the problem was indeed drag and dropping as I said before, but did not know it was this bad

the fact that you cannot have a 3D animator working in their usual software would make production way more costly and slower

in 2D does not really matter since its just an image slideshow, so animator can work outside and the programmer can just deal with image display speed

maybe make 3D frames? and follow the same principle? haha

it would ignore physics tho

still better than the mess we have from a gameplay POV

[storm heron]

In the case of distance covered, for some reason the fewer frames the better. On that Mondstadt bridge you can go further by spending the same amount of "meter" flying with Scaramouche or riding a motorbike with Mavuika if you limit the game to 30fps

[compact island]

it was a significant amount like with the elemental skill?

[ebon elk]

guys help do you have a vid about free charge without have to sling like knock up -> change to hand -> mid air charge

[compact island]

you will need to wait for eranicks impostor for that, hehe

[storm heron]

It's not much, it's about 10-15% more distance covered

[compact island]

that still a lot

[undone anchor]

https://youtu.be/Py9uYiNpNPY?si=_egYDpZGbOh5u9p8

This might help 🤔👍

https://youtu.be/7Q-MWy4NJV4?si=chTKyaFC8S-KC4jp

(second one is banned in tournaments for info)

[undone anchor]

Wym impostor!

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/sd-gif-6990089281338326026

[undone anchor]

What

[compact island]

Do you have him in your basement?

or worse

closeth

or worse

a freezer!

[undone anchor]

Locked the body in practice tool

Needed smth to train combos on 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/report-calling-the-police-im-disturbed-gif-14028290

[undone anchor]

😂😂

[brittle sapphire]

A

[ebon elk]

not double dashes

probaby call 1 2 1 or 1 3 1 smth

[lusty cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK0f7Cj5wCA&t=162s

[ebon elk]

nahh yes this one ty

[ebon elk]

ty I succeeded it but does seem to work on the practice bot

maybe work on ppl

[crude current]

211 is a true combo meaning it does work on the bot

if the bot dodged out of it then you're too slow

[ebon elk]

Katana does work tho but other don’t

[crude current]

.

its just practice

211 is a mid-advanced combo

its not something you instantly get good at

[ebon elk]

Nah I have been doing it for sometimes just check a vid to see what did I do wrong

But it end up the same so idk

[flat onyx]

wait how do i join the room 4 vc?

i'm dumb

[ebon elk]

it is called Join to Create for a reason LMAO

[marble niche]

any good videos on fistblades? or are they not worth using

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Apollo leveled up!

[meager trail]

the jump parry pull lmao

[flat onyx]

Huh

[undone anchor]

They are super strong, but there is not really the need of a guide for them 🤔

Their playstyle is around neutral you could say, in the sense where you have to always keep the enemy guessing when you are releasing the focus attack

Their mechanic is that you can keep charging the focus attack while doing a tap dodge but not when hold dodging

They ain't really a combo weapon, since you always stay on the ground, but if you need a basic one to start, which is also one of the better ones, you can go : h. - c.V. - v. - v.

[flat onyx]

If you want more, there‘s a Vietnamese vid on a 2k damage combo with fistblades

[compact island]

Weapon only?

[flat onyx]

Yep, not sure it it got patched out

Need to find the vid again

[meager trail]

not possible w/o souljades

prolly existed before the fistblade clmb stagger nerf but atm nah no more

[compact island]

sounds about right, 2k fistblades seems a bit OP

[dense grove]

Is the fan any good? Sounds kinda dumb to ask but I've gotten somewhat decent with it I think and I've pulled off some clutch kills with it

[compact island]

I think it was one of the strongest weapons last tourney

[undone anchor]

It's really strong yeah

[dense grove]

Oh good

I wasn't wasting time getting it to lvl 25 then 🤣

[flat onyx]

Every time I fight dagger vs fan or fan vs dagger I win

But the moment I change it to same weapons my brain turn off and it’s a 100% lose

[unreal wyvern]

guess you are not a fan of mirrors

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1175184894381531247.png?size=160&name=MatariLaugh

[dense grove]

I think I've gotten better with dual halberds

[undone anchor]

WP 👍

[humble talon]

Mirrors dont have pp

I can’t enjoy myself

[neat hound]

wildin

[tidal walrus]

hi guys, im new to this game and still playing too unlocked ranked mode

now im using only tarki ji

any tips that i should master it?

the best weapon for him, skill and talent

for now im using dual sword and fistblade

[flat onyx]

You should learn the infinite with katana

Or hengsword

There is also a longsword and gs inf, but that’s for later

[flat onyx]

Tarka punch can interrupt pretty much everything besides gold focus

So if you fight akos ult vs ult

You have a decent chance of interrupting his purple claws

But it takes a lot of your stamina

So keep that in mind

[flat onyx]

Ultimate tip with tarka though

Are you sure you want to main him?

No combo break and investing ult is very pricy

[tidal walrus]

hengsword im worst hahahaha dont know how to use

[tidal walrus]

noted

[tidal walrus]

yuppp for sure

bcs i tried all the hero, tarki ji is my favourite rn

but use zai also

[storm heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1frerukQ-0&t

This video has very good content about tarka things, my skills changed a lot putting these tips into practice.

[cyan falcon]

I’ll have it soon maybe.

Spent some time practicing. I’d say “hurrr duuur controller player” but I can’t imagine it would be easier just cuz keyboard

[undone anchor]

Well executed!

[undone anchor]

Keyboard it s hard 🤔😂😂

Hands need to do some precise yet uncomfortable mouvements

If, like me, you don't have a working mouse wheel 🤔😂

[cyan falcon]

Thanks! yea its even more awk on controller but once you get that feel for it its a little easier. really i just have to develop the memory for it.

wonder if it would help if i assigned some buttons to back paddles.

[undone anchor]

U got this!

I personally prefer to do it while sheathing my weapon instead of changing it, maybe it can be helpful for you too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1253390266010697808/1337208800398016583/katana_211_focus.mp4?ex=67c0517e&is=67befffe&hm=e0094adf1285b3272fc4554266b31b20a262fc9d1ecbfdedbcb772d921b48311&

Here an example

[cyan falcon]

there’s no quick input for sheathing on controller sadly

U have to hold something i think

[wicked socket]

Is this even better then bumping

[wicked socket]

They really should do this everywhere I don't know why they don't

It's an easy fix that doesn't involve needing to reprogram the game

[flat onyx]

Interesting

[undone anchor]

Oh, nvm then

[undone anchor]

Bump is better, deals more dmg

[frozen vortex]

sa

[twilit quarry]

Hu

[deft berry]

Whats the best weapons on lannie and her glyphs? im new to this game

[jade gull]

Weapons are all preferable but I liked using long sword or dual weapons as for glyphs stam and rage all you really need

[little sparrow]

What triggers the boss fights after a match?

[meager trail]

• there's a chance a match got sunwing/moonbane at the end
• get to top 1 with everyone in your team being alive then you get to fight them

[lusty cosmos]

there are still spots for today's dojo <t:1740862800:R> #🏋┃dojo-coaching

[vital marsh]

anyone knows if 211 (staff for ex) is ping dependant ?

[slow salmon]

Anyone know what setting to enhance blue clicks is it sfx?

To hear enemy blue clicks

[undone anchor]

Not really ping dependant

Not more than other combos at least

Clearly it won't be possible at 200 ms I would say 🤔😂😅

[undone anchor]

Wym hearing the clicks? 🤔

[slow salmon]

1st blue 2nd blue

phase a click

i found it alr

[undone anchor]

👍

[slow salmon]

im clicking counter and my counter animation is being canceled by the enemy blue

[sly ore]

I'm on 5ms and I can do it, but I need to be very precise with the inputs

for nunchucks, I think it's also consistent on low ping, but I personally find it quite hard to do

I don't like the 211 combos in general, I feel like it's an unintended mechanic that shouldn't be in the game, but the devs seem to be okay with the fact that players discovered it

[viscid kelp]

Given they patched it so that more weapons can do it, I'm quite sure they're okay with it

[vital marsh]

Have you seen anyone pulling it out with +60ms ?

Because is starting to piss me off that sheet i ll do some clips maybe i can get some tips

[flat onyx]

Yes

[vital marsh]

Consistenly ? Have you clips to check time input windows ?

[undone anchor]

parry has a startup time (around 200 ms, plus or minus) ; if you are not doing it early enough, it will simply not work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vMIlhsdQuE&t=81s

here a better and more in depht explanation

[flat onyx]

Unfortunately it’s not me doing the 211

But the guy had 60-70 ping

[vital marsh]

Im right now 85% sure is barely consistent with +65ms in flat terrain

[meager trail]

there's a way to do 211 w/o the dash

[vital marsh]

Just switching weapons do u mean ?

[meager trail]

yeah

no dodge input needed

u could try that

[vital marsh]

Do u think it can be faster ? Going to try that way then

[meager trail]

confirmed to work on low fps (30 still possible)

[vital marsh]

Hmm interesting thanks for the info will try ❤️

[meager trail]

i think u got it wrong

the input is different, it's not the same with ''real 211 but just take out the dash''

[vital marsh]

Sorry my english is garbage, what do u mean ?

[meager trail]

anyway

the input for 211 combo w/o the dodge is

uppercut > immediately rmb hold > hold 1 > scroll down > scroll down > blue release

[vital marsh]

Ok 👌 got it will try tyvm

[vital marsh]

do u have any clip about just to check inputs timing ?

[meager trail]

https://youtu.be/X_gKT_3DttQ

[vital marsh]

still missing a lot of muscle memory, but definetively feels way more viable than shift 211 on my setup

[meager trail]

that's good to hear

carry on

[vital marsh]

guess it counts ? lol its not well executed at all bc i dont switch to staff again right ?

[meager trail]

yeah you need to switch back to staff

[wise coral]

Hi Tabbie, is the scroll-wheel directly as uppercut hits(before holding 1)the “first” time to scroll? Then holding 1 and scrolling mid air is the second? 🙇

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Diakoptês leveled up!

[undone anchor]

You can input swap during the second half of uppercut animation, it will queue it and execute as soon as possible

[wise coral]

https://tenor.com/view/traewockhardt-sad-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16591014784735052511

When someone has a moment can they possible tell me what Im missing?

I feel like there are two separate scroll wheel actions; One is mid/late uppercut as you hold "1". But for the life of me I cant figure out the other. Is it a pre-input scoll you hit before you do the hit 1/scroll? Or is it a quick repetitive scroll after the hit 1/scroll? Tried both but I'm just not getting the last swap back in time, best i can do is the vertical release with the other weapon. I appreciate any help tyty 🙇‍♂️

[undone anchor]

You need to dash right as you swap the first time, then weapon swap quickly once more in order to cancel that and at that point you can finally hold focus

Ideally you don't want to see the dash animation, or better said, you want to cancel it as soon as possible 👍

[wise coral]

[undone anchor]

(it has to be a hold dodge, as for every combo, just to be precise)

[wise coral]

Oh lol I see, no this is the no-dash/sheathe version of 211 im trying to learn from the video above

[wise coral]

this one

[undone anchor]

U cannot double swap without a dash

Give me just one second to check their video aswell 👍

Ok, I see wat they do, gimme one sec to compare👍👍

[wise coral]

🙇‍♂️ im in no rush, get back to it when you can thanks for the help

[undone anchor]

A few minutes better, need to turn my pc on first

[wise coral]

you good i just loaded into a game i gave up on it for the moment lol. The charged katanna verticle was te closest I was able to get.

[undone anchor]

Still hard to tell, I'll try asking a few friends if they know exactly how this works

There is smth on that swap you do that does not convince me completely, but can't figure out what

[wise coral]

no worries ill keep at it