🔱┃weapons-combat

[compact island]

yeah that is exactly what tabbie and me are saying

[meager trail]

lol there it is, the wiggle

[minor remnant]

the wot

[compact island]

we do not know why the wiggle happens with us

and not eranick

when you get the wiggle you push it too far

[meager trail]

if you don't want that wiggle to happens you need to slow down the rmb input, but slowing it down you also got no chance to execute the combo

[compact island]

when I get it I press it right away too, I honestly have no idea what I do different when I do land it

but most time I get camera going nuts

[minor remnant]

OH I SEE WHAT THE WIGGLE

LMAO

camera?

[meager trail]

nvm, if i delay the rmb input after grapple the wiggle still happens, just less

https://tenor.com/view/catspin-gif-10390165497725138728

[compact island]

you no longer getting the camera one?

[meager trail]

the camera one is just another variant of this

it happens because when you got less wiggles your rmb hit when the bot was on a different position

[minor remnant]

isnt it still far?

[meager trail]

so your character turned to that direction

result in the camera change

it's the same with dual blades vertical blue

sometimes you knocks your opponent directly forward, so your camera won't turn

sometimes to the side, then your camera will turn

[compact island]

so you saying the root is the wiggle everytime

[meager trail]

the root is the melee aim assist

[compact island]

I mean probably but since I get the camera one all the time didn see the wiggle

[minor remnant]

hmm

maybe camera setting?

[compact island]

No I tried looking

I just find weird that eranick does not show any sign of this

https://tenor.com/view/degenzgame-mn3-gif-26124677

[meager trail]

db camera turn

and db camera no turn

[compact island]

but when I get it with LS, is sudden and it gets back

is not a perma swap

is just like the wiggle

back forth

not as crazy

is just once

[meager trail]

idk lol

anyway

as long as that wiggle still happens

no way you can pulled off the combo

with db you can hold W when releasing the blue to force it

but with the ls combo idk how, because if you hold W on the lmb after grapple the lmb just straight up miss

o shit i just did it

with W hold

why tf is it working lmao

[compact island]

if I press W I always go pass the enemy

by a long shot

[minor remnant]

can you do it again?

lmao

[meager trail]

both time i held W and delay the rmb input abit

first one it just miss, 2nd it just work

💀

[compact island]

you know what it can be?

you melee assist gets ignored if a direction is pressed

maybe you have to tap W at the right moment

to cancel the wiggle of the assist

maybe that is what eranicks is not telling us

he is hidding info from us

[minor remnant]

when u press w?

i go pass the enemy lmao

[compact island]

yeah, but a direction does cancel the assist which is the problem right now

so I think you have to tap it fast

[meager trail]

what i did was wait until my character completely landed to hold W and input rmb, don't pre-input the rmb

if you pre input the rmb the wiggle will happens, i think because with pre input it's too early and the enemy is still to high in the air

and is falling

so the melee aim assist get fked

[compact island]

you getting it consistent now?

[meager trail]

no lol

[compact island]

I tried no preinput yesterday still nothing

I will try tapping W tomorrow to cancel the assist

not in game atm

pillow time near

[meager trail]

yep that must be it

• don't pre input the rmb
• delay the rmb input a little bit
• hold W from the rmb forward

[compact island]

so is no tap? is hold at the right moment?

[meager trail]

yea just hold all the way

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

now try changing PP and see how it goes

[meager trail]

i'll try it without W hold

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-homelander-the-boys-exhale-relieved-gif-15406600715060657123

[meager trail]

if it can be executed w/o W hold then the trick is to delay the rmb input

so just timing

[compact island]

I would bet is the melee assist cancel

but let me know if you get it with no W

[minor remnant]

oh got it

the grappling also need in the circle

[compact island]

not necesarily

did you melee assist cancel?

or not

[minor remnant]

cancel

[compact island]

yeah

that should be it

[minor remnant]

but if i grapple way too far, my character atk will miss

[compact island]

the video showing the wiggle shown the way

haha

ah yeah cannot be too far, but does not has to be inside either

check eranic video for example he is clearly not inside

[meager trail]

yeah he's not the father

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sigh-gif-5895699729383201961

That PP is poisoning your brain with all the ugliness

[meager trail]

[compact island]

anyways, glad we spot the problem

[meager trail]

anyway with a success rate this low i think i'll just stick to double uppercut

this is in training room

[compact island]

well it is all about

practice

[meager trail]

in matches my fps gonna be much lower

[compact island]

now that you get it

[meager trail]

the fail rate will be much higher

[compact island]

oh yeah that,

[meager trail]

and i'd rather use a combo that i'm confident at than attempt to do a combo with a high fail rate

[minor remnant]

my char even roll

lmao

the combo still success

[meager trail]

bcoz if i fail my enemy won't let it slide

[compact island]

that is true

he messed up the landing

haha

[meager trail]

ur char rolled because you held W too early

[compact island]

and still worked cuz cancel the melee assist

so you do have a lot of time

it was dem wiggling

what is your FPS?

[minor remnant]

its 120 rn, but usually in game is 60-90

so this might not work in actual game lol

[compact island]

so you are not crazy high and you got it even after messing up the landing

there is a lot of room then

IDK if you still did it after the roll maybe is not that strict in the FPS

anyways glad we spot the issue, Ill try it out tomorrow

have a good night

not eranicks he hid info from us

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[undone anchor]

Never pre input rmb

It will result in a jump vertical

The delay depends

Carousel is somewhat different for each and everyone 🤔👍, but if that's the setting that works for you, it's the correct one there 👍

For me it has to be instant for example

[viscid kelp]

For carousel, I don't think a super high float necessarily matters

The red box I highlighted is roughly the hitbox of a longsword vertical strike. In my experience, it reaches a tiny bit further and higher than the animation would indicate, but imo this is the case for many weapon attacks

The green box I marked is where the enemy should roughly be for any sort of carousel to be possible. Reason being that if you hit them further forwards or upwards within the hitbox, the enemy will fly too far away to be reached by your 2nd stage horizontal afterwards

The blue box is the ideal position for your enemy to be for a carousel. Reason being that if they're slightly too high, the following 2nd stage horizontal might not connect correctly and float poorly/only hit twice instead of thrice

To an extent it also matters when within the ls vertical animation you hit the enemy
The entire hitbox is active throughout the attack, so if the active time of the hitbox is say 300ms, then hitting them within the last 50ms for example will allow you to follow up with your 2nd stage horizontal way sooner than if you were to hit them within the first 50ms of the vertical

One way to demonstrate the importance of that is trying to do ls horizontal->hold dodge vertical->uppercut

Normally this shouldn't be true, but if you hit the enemy right at the end of the horizontal animation, you narrow down the time between the attack hitboxes affecting the enemy so much that it becomes true

[undone anchor]

This should be pinned somewhere 🤔

[pure tartan]

hello. stupid question but how do you get the weapon to be red in a match??

[undone anchor]

Super useful

[viscid kelp]

If you use these things correctly, you can even do stuff like this

[meager trail]

https://youtu.be/MktlOOdn_cQ

[undone anchor]

Red weapon is only aviable on the new map; it is specifically a long sword, and you get it by killing 2x times the size of your team while being in imperium

[pure tartan]

Thank you

[undone anchor]

Wait; u can 3 uppercuts!!!!

Didn't knw that

It possible also with 3x on the ground or only with air grapple?

[viscid kelp]

Air grapple from behind makes it significantly more consistent

Because you kinda do your 2nd uppercut midair

[undone anchor]

I see 🤔

So specifically it has to be on the back 🤔👍

[viscid kelp]

From the front you will slam yeah
From the back you're just the right height to make use of that weird Naraka-thinks-it's-the-ground-when-it-isn't thing

[undone anchor]

I see

I'll try later 🤔

After learning that 211 extension now this combo is going to be my goal 🤔😂👍

[viscid kelp]

this thing

[viscid kelp]

It's a bit tough with the timing on the camera manipulation, good luck

[undone anchor]

Camera manipulation? Anything specific to keep in mind? 🤔

[viscid kelp]

The 180° I did matters
Basically by doing that, I manipulate it so that the ls uppercut floats the enemy from behind and over me, making them land closer to me -> reducing required grapple distance and consequently grapple time

[undone anchor]

[flat onyx]

If I get hit by that playing Akos ….

[undone anchor]

?

amen

most likely it will never happen

those super fancy combos rarely see use in a game

[flat onyx]

Well the Justina ult is a thing, but I’ve found something interesting

Maybe because I play evenings

I‘ve stopped meeting so many Justinas

[undone anchor]

Evenings usually there are more people 🤔

[flat onyx]

Yeah and that’s why all the good justinas are divided into more lobbies

[undone anchor]

U find a lot on duos and trios if you want Justinas 🤔😂

[flat onyx]

Oh yeah

Duo is Justina and Zai parade

Most used probably

So many omg

[undone anchor]

They are pretty strong yeah

[flat onyx]

Did you know that on high ping the viper silence f can be used inbetween katana horiz to starts a true combo?

:)))))

[undone anchor]

U can do a lot of things with vipers silence

Also on low ping

Can extend, start, soft combo break,...

Really good move overall

[flat onyx]

A very op f overall

[undone anchor]

Balanced

[flat onyx]

Essentially always a free combo because the other person can’t get their combo break

[undone anchor]

It's good, but it has it's downsides

[flat onyx]

I think range would be in play

[undone anchor]

Also means that you have no combo break yourself

[undone anchor]

U can dodge through it, it not always can be followed up, weird animation ,...

Not the easiest skill to use, hence why it's balanced

Good vipers will make Ur game a living hell, but a casual won't be able to do anything

Cd is also pretty high

[flat onyx]

How long is it?

[undone anchor]

I sadly don't recall the exact number, but unless it changed it was around 20 sec?

Omw to training ATM, so I can't really check 😅🤔, take my number with a lot of salt 🤔

It's mostly based on my memories when playing her

[flat onyx]

That’s quite short if I may say

Maybe because Akos and Tarka have the same cd I don’t notice the difference

[undone anchor]

Fair 🤔

On a second thought it s a good cd 🤔

But still not a combo break 🤔, and easy to mess up the timings and get punished for it👍👍

[flat onyx]

After playing with wuchen for a while

Who has a decent combo break, but not the best

[undone anchor]

His combo break is pretty strong TBF 🤔

Can't compare to not having combo break

[flat onyx]

Fair

But I‘ve found myself using his f1 more than his f2

F2 I have to really catch my opponent mid animation to hit

[undone anchor]

F1 is shield right?

(we still onto wuchen, correct?)

[flat onyx]

Often times the teleport misses and the opp just blues me( can’t always dodge or parry because of naraka magic)

[undone anchor]

Shield is overall the better one 🤔

[flat onyx]

And the range is not very far on his combo break

[undone anchor]

Also can stall

[undone anchor]

It's a full disengage and neutral reset; can't chase him not dodge nothing; that's what makes it good or at least decent

[flat onyx]

It has this winding animation when I activate it

I like hadis or Tessas combo break a bit more

[undone anchor]

It feels faster indeed

Hadis is one of the best ones, because it puts you in the air like that

Tessa is good, but could be better, since it does not always completely reset the first ght

Fight*

[flat onyx]

It gives a bit of room because of the fox fire or smth

Idk feels nicer than wuchens

[undone anchor]

Yeah, that's somewhat dodgeable

But if you prefer it, it's good

[flat onyx]

But wuchen ult is op as hell

[undone anchor]

My opinion is that all is good as long as you like it and feel good with it

Wuchen is absolutely op as long as you hit ult, without he's somewhat mid 👍

[flat onyx]

That’s like anti Valda or smth

And great at third partying

I‘d like to be better at tarka, because he looks so cool

But Akos, wuchen, Justina just seem better I swear

Lyam is somehow considered meta in the hands of pros

But I struggle to use him properly, I even play temulch better than lyam

[undone anchor]

To be better at tarka u dont need to be better at the hero itself, but at the game in general 🤔👍

[undone anchor]

Yep, I can tell you that aswell 👍

Not a pro myself, but he's my main

[undone anchor]

Well, telmuch is a straightforward hero, and that ult is really strong

[flat onyx]

Same with hadi tbh, I’ve only used his ult to either run away or kill confirm

[undone anchor]

Need to work on movement then

And overall decision making 👍🤔

I got no specific idea of your gameplay level ATM, but a thing that for sure will help is becoming better in meutral

Neutral*

Before caring about who is meta or not, learning and mastering the fighting system is going to carry you way more than any meta character 👍👍

Sadly, it's also the hardest part about Naraka or any fighting game👍👍

[flat onyx]

Don’t really care tbh

I just pick who seems cooler

[undone anchor]

👍👍

Best way to chose characters

[flat onyx]

Most of the time I win fights without ult

[undone anchor]

If you don't feel cool while beating people up then what's the need to do so 🤔😂

(in naraka, clearly)

[flat onyx]

My prob is literally ulting

[flat onyx]

IRL too :))))

[undone anchor]

I don't promote irl violence

Big fan of martial arts, but not of fighting people

[flat onyx]

On sports events ofc

🙂

Maybe I should just pick Ziping and main her

Because my neutral is pretty okay atm

[undone anchor]

If you need any pointers with that eventually feel free to ping @lucid stream 🤔👍

Id help, but my neutral is decent at best

More of a combo freak than a neutral player personally🤔😂

[undone anchor]

Zip is fun!

[flat onyx]

Average game is usually like this

Drop into hotzones

Get 1-2 kill

Get third partied

Die

If I respawn same place I usually die again

If I go far away

Roam until Yang realm 50/50

And then I end with like 2,3-4 kills

[undone anchor]

Never do that; rage Res is the best way to lose a game

Also, if Yang, remember to have decent gear and ult up

[flat onyx]

Yeah stopped doing that after seeing a vid

[undone anchor]

If not it's somewhat of an jnsta loss 👍

[flat onyx]

Luck may be on my side if I find purple

[undone anchor]

Then you are not looting in the correct places 🤔👍

Consider dropping only where you know you can get golden stashes 👍, it will make your looting way better

Same for when you Res after dying once, don't Res randonly

Randomly*

[flat onyx]

I’ve rembered all the main points outside of golden zones

[undone anchor]

👍👍

[flat onyx]

So I just go there

As I said

[undone anchor]

Good, then purple weapons shouldn't be an issue 🤔👍

[flat onyx]

Usually go to the morus

[flat onyx]

Nah, this game is rigged

[undone anchor]

Nah, trust me

If you can't find them, no problem

Just find a person, steal theirs 🤔👍🤷🏻‍♂️

[flat onyx]

I‘ve gotten to top 3 today after dropping into a hotzones

[undone anchor]

👍

[flat onyx]

Luckily they weren’t 400+

I looted everything

All blue

[undone anchor]

If 400+ you get more points, those are the best lobbies 🤔👍

[flat onyx]

And I won my fights

Also all blue

[undone anchor]

Hence, no one had purple 🤷🏻‍♂️🤔

(don't forget the wells, those are good to secure purple loot)

[flat onyx]

Then I proceeded to drop into other hotzones and nothing

Only purple I got was morus and yang

And then I got jumped by a golden Polesword god or smth and he fought a 1v1 against a kylin who was also gold armour

[flat onyx]

Wells yeah

Do they have spawn points or is it random?

I‘ll just learn the pattern

[undone anchor]

Random

[cerulean nest]

Personally I don’t think tarka or Temulch are very straightforward, both have a lot of tech involvement and skill expression (tho i guess it depends on what your end goal is)

Tarka’s viability hinges more on the defensive side (dodges ) and punch tactics , w Temulch needing more consistency out of F for offensive return

[compact island]

What I meant by high was his FPS, to be pulling it out even when he screw up the landing.
So it has to be above you for it to work, the thing is when I got it above me the camera behave pretty bad, and screw me over, but I think we did figure out what was it yesterday

[compact island]

Yeah this is not a new concept for me I come from fighting game, I understand what you mean, the later you hit the less disadvantage you will have

[cerulean nest]

omg takao is back

GOAT

[compact island]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NarakaBladePoint/comments/1gfepc0/genuinely_why_is_this_possible/

is that still possible?

[crude current]

im still a little inconsistent with the timing but i can at least do it somewhat often

was backreading the whole conversation

tho i have no idea if i can even do it in an actual match because my fps in a match is like a little below 100

but i have like 140 in training

[undone anchor]

Sure, but what I meant is that his abilities do one thing and it's pretty clear how It works, same for the interactions

Same for telmuch

Sure, there are some niche things, like combo resets for telmuch using f, but tarka generally has the same concept for everything: be good at neutral

And learn when you can punch in ult to infinite someone

Infinite inputs are the same for 70% (number not accurate, I knw someone is going to come back saying "actually it's not accurate..."🤷🏻‍♂️😂) of weapons, so...

Compared let's say to a lannie where timings differ, positioning of the enemy is important for combos,... Id say tarka is a straightforward hero

Then again, it all depends on the context

[flat nimbus]

what the actual he ck did i just watch

[crude current]

a bad player

[flat nimbus]

can u tell me that combo

[crude current]

its the carousel combo

you can backread in this channel

there is a whole conversation about it

[flat nimbus]

ah hell nah this too hard im going back to left click right click spamming

[crude current]

you should learn the basics of naraka first

before trying to learn combos

[flat nimbus]

i got the basics down (came from tekken) but these like shorthop and stuff are crazy

[crude current]

im talking about

movement

and neutral

[flat nimbus]

okay so i got the toothpick carousel just now but i didnt see a grapple in it

[viscid kelp]

On LS, floating with the rmb despite rolling after grapple bump doesn't require super high fps yeah
It's a bit of an odd interaction, but you can rmb off that roll much faster than off most other rolling animations

Though what I was getting at was why the carousel worked despite the late rmb (low float)

[compact island]

Yeah I totally understood your advice, thanks. I had no chance to try it today but will for sure tomorrow

[viscid kelp]

Gotcha
Good luck with it

[viscid kelp]

I don't have horns tho, maybe I'm only a sheep and not a goat

[meager trail]

lol it worked with W held all the way (the reason for the roll after grapple bump)

still super inconsistent though

most of the time my rmb after grapple bump just straight up missed

[undone anchor]

tryed grappling closer for that?

[meager trail]

yes, doesn't change anything

[undone anchor]

kk

[meager trail]

i hold w to overwrite the melee aim assist to avoid the wiggle, but it also makes the rmb easy to miss

so idk anymore lol

if i don't hold W it looks like the rmb will always knock the target too far, or it came out too late

[flat onyx]

I just hold w all the way

Somehow works more consistently than normal

Even with the roll

[flat nimbus]

can someone tell me how to do that grapple cancel?

[undone anchor]

try holding cntrl + w during the grapple, it will cancel the roll 🤔

[flat nimbus]

i see its so shorten the uppercut but my grapple always plays half the animation when i jump

[undone anchor]

need to input the grapple as soon as the uppercut animation starts

dont wait till you leave the ground, do it before

shorten your timings until you dont leave the ground and nearly dont see the uppercut

then you good to go

[compact island]

Is this still possible?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NarakaBladePoint/comments/1gfepc0/genuinely_why_is_this_possible/

[undone anchor]

yes

[meager trail]

the roll is not the issue, as you could see carousel can still be executed with the roll
the issue is: if i don't hold W the rmb will knock the target too far, even with right input timing, but if i hold W my melee aim assist got overwritten and it makes the rmb easy to miss

[undone anchor]

i knw

was trying to see if holding cntrl w had a similar effect to just holding w

cuz you also said the roll messes up your position

trying to give possible things to do, but since, as i like to say, a lot of factors influence the carousel it's always hard

[meager trail]

what does ctrl does? crouch?

[undone anchor]

nop

cntrl crouch simply avoids you rolling

but if you pres w all the way, with cntl it could help 🤔

not 100% sure tho

[meager trail]

yeah ok

gotta find a way to make this more consistent 😂

this combo is really good against a cornered target

iirc i saw someone did another grapple bump and followed with another carousel or a blue hold release after it, if the terrain allows you to

[flat nimbus]

oh shi i got it

i was right clicking instead of left lol

[crude current]

you can right click too

[flat nimbus]

nah then i have to double jump to get out

[crude current]

nope

[flat nimbus]

unless im tryna aerial

[crude current]

i right clicked

[flat nimbus]

but you hit him with the grapple no

[crude current]

i grappled the ground

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umg4UFfELLU

here you go

[compact island]

is it a true combo?

[undone anchor]

full true, yeah

[meager trail]

nah not that
i mean when you get a target cornered after the carousel, after the blue hit you grapple again then when grapple bump happens you could do another carousel rotation

[undone anchor]

here there is a part that is soft true because of the ledge, but it's full true

[meager trail]

i vaguely remember seeing someone did that

[undone anchor]

ahhhh

lyrics sent a clip of that the other day

it's the LS infinite

[compact island]

it was posted here yesterday

[undone anchor]

super precise, unlikely to see it in a real game

[meager trail]

i saw it long ago tho on youtube

it's an yang fight

but if i can't find a way to make it consistent then bye

[compact island]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266684295599099955/1335964644552085554/3d_9-Zya9Iunt_xxEkvG3g.mp4?ex=67a40fc8&is=67a2be48&hm=6fe68e02d04b84fa629bc96f9fc0a036003540026c2280977e698bdffb72151f&

[meager trail]

lol i don't think my ping/fps allowed for the 1st part to happens

[compact island]

I was told you need minimum of 150

[meager trail]

the part when you just wait til ur char hit the ground to rmb and don't need a grapple

yep not happening

[compact island]

this is the kind of thing that just should not exist, thats why I think 120 should be the cap not 240, a lot of crazy stuff can be looped at that speed

the game breaks crossing 120, haha

[flat nimbus]

so essentially its this but more refined?

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/jDhzxI8C2aHihWb_8?invite=cr-MSxNeHYsNDI1NzkyOSw

[crude current]

idk why you're grappling to the side lol

but yes

[flat nimbus]

not used to grappling yet

[crude current]

its jus

[flat nimbus]

started today still tryna figure things out

[crude current]

straight ahead

on the ground

again

as i said

learn the basics first

[flat nimbus]

i did

[crude current]

idc if you played tekken before

learn the basics

[flat nimbus]

thats why im learning the combos

[crude current]

for naraka

combos are not the basics

[flat nimbus]

??

read what i said

[crude current]

combos mean nothing here if you can't even land the first hit

if you just started todat

i find it a little hard to believe you already know all the basics for naraka

[flat nimbus]

the more i play the more basic the basics will be to me no?

[crude current]

.

[compact island]

try to get use to movement before focusing on combos its what he is trying to say

movement is very important in this game like too important

and its tricky

[flat nimbus]

yeah it is hard af

im used to controller for most games so thats already a struggle for me

[compact island]

I am playing with controller pretty much everything can be done with controller with very few exception

but yeah try blue dash cancel and slide jump cancel till you get those consistently before dedicating time to combos

air walk and all that movement tech require practice

for combos you can just do the basic, till you get use to movement, which for most weapons is, H>c.V>a.H>a.V

once you get the movement at a decent level now you can start grinding your medium level combos

[undone anchor]

it requires a super flat terrain already as minimum requirement, stable 150 + fps (ideally 200) and all the things for carousel

[onyx loom]

🎉 | DefinitelyNotEranicks leveled up!

[undone anchor]

multiple times

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEjHzqPYyA&t=64s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59HE32pHqU&t=115s

i recommend checking these out frist

first*

[flat nimbus]

thanks bro i'll watch them now

[undone anchor]

👍

[compact island]

can you do the lyam combo I linked? or is it high FPS dependant?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Loyalight leveled up!

[undone anchor]

not really fps dependant

just timing

[compact island]

so you can?

[undone anchor]

with the pokeball u can do a lot of things

[undone anchor]

should be able to, yeah

just need to practice it a bit

[compact island]

The combos I was trying to make are the ones with the blades you linked me, but IDK I feel the pokeball is "Cooler", can you explain why you pick the blade ones over the pokeball?

[undone anchor]

pokebal is only an aggressive tool

v1 on the other hand gives more possibilities: it heals when hitting ( a lot), can allow you to reposition with the teleport, can interrupt animations / combos on you, can extend combos, can start combos

it's a somewhat easy choice

harder to interrupt someone using v1 also compared to pokeball

most of the times you catch someone and then you get staggered and can't do nothing with the captured enemy

[compact island]

I see, so what would you say the pokeball do better? or is just a general downgrade?

[undone anchor]

i'd say general down grade

but easier to tod with

[compact island]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

I see, thanks

[undone anchor]

👍

[wicked socket]

Pokeball is realm of yang clip farming tool

[compact island]

[wicked socket]

https://youtu.be/lzo4-geE83Q?si=3PjSSEsSAxhnSVCa

I made this quick little guide for new players learning bumps

I know it's not perfect, I've learned more since I made it, but I figure it's a good start

[wicked socket]

Can anyone help me learn how to do this combo? I can't seem to replicate it

I can't get the j.H to work like that, I only get one hit and it has way more recovery

[undone anchor]

Can you send a clip of you trying it? It's easier to figure out how to help you improve that way

[undone anchor]

I would recommend to spend more time explaining more how the uppercut animation cancel works and also more on where to position the grapple / where to aim

This way you leave a lot of information as already acquired, which is not the case with people that have no idea what they are doing

Also care about the words you are using; sometimes the message can get through a bit confusing, like saying that you are showing grapple bump for every weapon, which is not in fact possible (this is a detail tho)

Also, I'd recommend adding fan as a possibility, since fan focus after uppercut is one of the easiest and is good 👍 (that, if you manage to get an uppercut it is)

Keep up the good work tho 👍👍

[wicked socket]

Thanks ^^
I did just like, forget fan could do it LOL

[undone anchor]

👍👍👍

Totally fine

[storm heron]

One solution I came up with to achieve this combo with some more difficult weapons, is to hit the hook on the tianhai after throwing him, I don't know if it's because he stays in the air for longer, but I can hit it more often this way.

[undone anchor]

You can start the charge animation a bit faster because of how the bump works

[storm heron]

At least here. This second lift I can only do without holding down some movement input so it doesn't do that "rolling" after the hook hit. Then it would be:
Hit>Dodge>Hit>CrouchHit>Hook>CrouchHit

[undone anchor]

It's harder to execute overall thi

Tho*

[wicked socket]

Yeah I find ones that bump the opponent harder most of the time

[storm heron]

I'll try to record here, I managed to do a really cool Lyan combo thanks to your tips

[undone anchor]

Oh, nice!

Which one?

[storm heron]

And interestingly it works 100% even using that green dodge

[undone anchor]

Lyam f2 resets the combo meter, and so does ult, that's why 👍👍

As long as you don't do repeated uppercuts it should work always

[storm heron]

That of keeping Tianhai's dodge to avoid false inputs/fakeHits

[undone anchor]

?

If the combo is untrue tianhai will dodge always 🤔

[wicked socket]

There's very occasional instances where it doesn't but it's rare

[storm heron]

Yes, it's just that some combos I did were off, and I had a false sense of it working

[undone anchor]

Kk

[wicked socket]

Did you have the dummy turned on lol

[storm heron]

Now practicing with it on, I'm SURE it works

[undone anchor]

As soon as you have a clip send it 👍👍

[wicked socket]

Sure lol, but now I can't even get the 2nd uppercut

[undone anchor]

Just send what you can, we'll work togheter to fix and adjust 👍

[wicked socket]

was thinking maybe its an fps issue but my fps seems fine

[undone anchor]

You are slow on the uppercut input

U can input it before

[wicked socket]

ah

my grapple position is good enough right?

also my fps is good enough right lol

(I hope the devs eventually manage to get fps stuff consistent like they did with ping)
I know combos still aren't perfectly the same depending on ping, but it's way better then it was before

[undone anchor]

It's pretty lenient, should be fine; can get improved but should work

[wispy flax]

U should also be careful with holding w during uppercut bc both times u went behind the enemy

[wicked socket]

makes sense

[undone anchor]

How much u have?

[wicked socket]

see top corner in clip

i'll get slightly more when not recording

like ~10 more

[undone anchor]

That's mostly grapple 🤔, holding w during the grapple makes you roll

[wicked socket]

no they mean air drift lol

[undone anchor]

FPS more than enough bte

I can send you a clip of a double uppercut for reference when I'm home

[wicked socket]

alright

[undone anchor]

(for context I can send it the earliest in about 1h)

[wicked socket]

K

[storm heron]

https://youtu.be/458Hj59TZyU @undone anchor

I know there are ways to improve the combo and make it do more damage, and I also missed the last hit HAHAHAHA. but I'm very happy to be able to do things like this KNOWING that they will work. I was a little frustrated that some things weren't working.

[undone anchor]

Well done!

It's a good starting point

[storm heron]

Also ignore the skills and ultimate buttons, I use an MMO mouse, so I configured my skills to be used on the mouse

[undone anchor]

It's no problem, as long as you are comfortable

Remember to activate the bot in the future tho, but without disengage 👍👍

That's the setting for testing true combos

As I was saying the other day 👍

[storm heron]

How much more difficult/impossible is it to use the katana/heng slide uppercut to do combos? I managed to get it right once and it never happened again... D:

[undone anchor]

Depends on what you want to do

Can't grapple after one, but in the right context it can be repeated multiple times

[storm heron]

Swap the conventional uppercut for the slide uppercut

[undone anchor]

To do what afterwards?

Want to grapple? Or do a normal air horizontal??

[storm heron]

I didn't stop to think about that... HMMMM, I thought it would be safer, due to it lifting the opponent higher

[undone anchor]

There was a combo called heavenstep, it got patched out; after that patch u cannot cancel the animation with a grapple 🤔👍

Slide uppercuts are used in a number of other combod

Combos*

[storm heron]

I'll see what I can come up with here, I'll look for some videos and try to apply the character kits I use for this purpose.

[undone anchor]

Slide uppercuts it's usually for things like enemies already high (for example after a takeda ult), swap combos

Atm

I can send a few clips later of examples on Lyam if you need, but I still need to get home 🤔😅😂

[undone anchor]

here for the double uppercut

[wicked socket]

Does it have to be a sliding uppercut?

[wicked socket]

What are you inputting after 2nd uppercut? Holding w or anything?

[undone anchor]

i start holding w when i reach the top of my second uppercut

[wicked socket]

Ok

Are you buffering the j.H?

[undone anchor]

here examples of slide combos

[undone anchor]

nop, no slide uppercuts used here

[undone anchor]

the first or second?=

[wicked socket]

1st

[undone anchor]

nop

i'm just precise

i u can preinput it tho

[wicked socket]

Ok so you have to delay it?

Or can I buffer it

[undone anchor]

u can buffer

it will just be done as fast as possible

treat it as any jump horizontal

[wicked socket]

Ye that will work?

Cuz I'm only getting first hit

[undone anchor]

yes, u can spam it

[storm heron]

OK... Lyan's looks like a lot of fun to practice, I'll try it

[undone anchor]

here is while i'm spamming left click during the uppercut animation

slow second jump horizontal, but as you can see i got the 4 hits

[undone anchor]

he is a combo character, yeah

lot of possibilities

[storm heron]

However, I didn't know you could dash cancel the normal uppercut, I thought only Tarka in the ultimate could connect it

[undone anchor]

?

where?

the first one?

it's a specific combo where i am swapping from katana to heng sword and vice versa

it's somewhat precise, but feasible

it has limits tho

[storm heron]

Ah... now that I see it, I hadn't noticed that you had both weapons. Now it sounds more complicated hahaha

[wicked socket]

what am i doing wrong to not have both hits connect?

[storm heron]

It looks like your atk didn't keep up with TianHai, or you did a mini dodge backwards

[wicked socket]

i landed on top of him and it pushed me back

[flat onyx]

Use W

Just hold it after uppercut and tap space

[undone anchor]

you need to adjust the grapple

you are going up while the enemy is in front of you, need them under you

try grappling a bit further away

[undone anchor]

here is how i did the combo you sent before 👍

an example of a possible improvement

[storm heron]

I was trying here, but I only got one hit, but when I throw the hook inside that "shadow" circle, I get both hits, thanks again, I think I did it automatically and it never turned on (sometimes it worked, other times it didn't, and I thought it was the terrain)

[wicked socket]

Thank you

[storm heron]

Tianhai after 2500 damage (golden armor + 100% HP) "I'M ALREADY DIED, LET ME DIE!"
Insane, very cool execution, I really enjoyed it

[undone anchor]

it actually is pretty easy to execute too 👍

[flat onyx]

I got hit with this once

[undone anchor]

just need that double uppercut

[undone anchor]

yeah, it's a easy execution one 👍

[flat onyx]

I was like

Damn

My second game in IW

[undone anchor]

this one is tilting if people do it right

insanely easy

[flat onyx]

Oh no the valda water one, I do that one Ahahah

[undone anchor]

last hit aside

[flat onyx]

Conbos and Tod are super cool until you keep losing neutral

[undone anchor]

exactly

neutral is the most fondamental part

also most of them you are never going to do in a real game, i personally dont have the fps 😆

[flat onyx]

I have learned the ways of getting hit by polesword

And become a polesword abuser myself

[undone anchor]

this one is another one i found at some point 😆

[flat onyx]

Shame, you‘d be too op

[storm heron]

I lack the hair for my takeda to be like yours, but the game doesn't like me, and it gives me those ugly accessories T-T

[mint anchor]

hello nice combo btw i can use this combo without 80 ping?

[undone anchor]

today i tryed naraka on my friend's computer.... he's got 470 + fps 🤦

could get all combos first try without even trying

[flat onyx]

You can do comboed under 109 ping

[undone anchor]

i was so bewildered of the difference 😆

[undone anchor]

which one?

[mint anchor]

this?

im newbie in game i love mechs i saw this clip

[undone anchor]

oh, that one is not gps dependant, yeah 👍

just need to be precise

fps* not gps

got autocorrected 😆

[mint anchor]

60 fps is bad?

[undone anchor]

it is yeha

normal combos are usually aviable from 65 to 75 minimum

and they are precise

[flat onyx]

Is say 120 is optimal

[undone anchor]

200 optimal

120 good

very good

[flat onyx]

And 30 ping

[undone anchor]

80 id say minimum if you want to do some decent studd

stuff*

and ping yeah, everything below 40 is fine

[undone anchor]

my friend's computer

shame they dont play naraka

[mint anchor]

i have 80 ping 60 fps :/

[flat onyx]

At that range you have to parry quite early

I feel you bro

[flat onyx]

Wow nice

[undone anchor]

yeah, valda combo maybe still feasible, but i'd be careful with it 🤔

[mint anchor]

i can buy new pc but i cant change this ping

[undone anchor]

80 ping is an insane amount

[flat onyx]

Hahahaha

[undone anchor]

fps also is really low ovcerall 🤔

[undone anchor]

🤷‍♂️ it is if you want good performance

[storm heron]

I feel like I'm missing something... And I think maybe it's the hook. Do you use RMB buffering to start charging? Do you need to hold A or D to prevent the roll, even if buffering already cancels it?

[undone anchor]

u can play with it, but combos are another story

[flat onyx]

I‘d still say until high ranks

80 is okay

[undone anchor]

i have my hands off the keyboard all the way tbf 🤔

[flat onyx]

You‘ll feel the difference in dodging soon enough

[mint anchor]

can you tell me good character play for newbies

[undone anchor]

just hit a precise horizontal, no buffering no nothing during grapples

[mint anchor]

valda cui is good?

[undone anchor]

really good 👍

[flat onyx]

Not my expertise

[mint anchor]

i love justina but so hard

[storm heron]

Insane good

Justina is insane good too

[flat onyx]

My 2 most played characters have no combobreak

[storm heron]

who?

[flat onyx]

Tarka and Akos, you have to ult

[storm heron]

I`m main Akos, and lyan, also i like hadi too

[undone anchor]

that's just a way to inflict self pain 🤔

[flat onyx]

My friend told me they were cool characters

[undone anchor]

i say this and yet i play my characters with no combo break in solos 😆

[flat onyx]

I believed him early on

[undone anchor]

cuz i want to combo

[flat onyx]

And this is where I’m at rn

Ngl Takeda without combo break is fine

[undone anchor]

takeda is fine because his f1 lasts 20 minutes 😆

[flat onyx]

His f is insane and ult is anti combo essentially

[undone anchor]

not really

[flat onyx]

Feels like it

[undone anchor]

does do nothing against light attacks

people just cant release on you

really good in lower ranks, but the more people become accustomed to it, the harder it is to play, since they dont release anyways

[flat onyx]

I use f3

It‘s really nice early into the fight

[undone anchor]

only if you have a team comp built around it

[flat onyx]

Still op in trios

[undone anchor]

i'd always recommend going for v1 if you are alone

[undone anchor]

definitely, i'm talking about solos here 👍

trios he's really good in the right environment

[flat onyx]

Not quite me on this

But temulch Takeda and Justina or Tessa should be a cool comp

[storm heron]

Yes, it was the hook, it's difficult to adjust it to charge the spear's RMB... But I got it here, HEHEBOY

[wispy flax]

I didnt meant to not hold w btw
U should just hold enough, enough that u get the enemy behind u, but the automelee assist does NOT attacking behind u
Oups, sry wrong one, i meant @wicked socket

[flat onyx]

Don’t know if anybody plays like that

[undone anchor]

usally if you play takeda u want a telmuch

[flat onyx]

Ngl I played temulch today for the first time in solo

[undone anchor]

usually u start holding it after the uppercut, otherwise u get too far forward

[flat onyx]

And his f is so quick that I feel like you have to play polesword with him

[wispy flax]

Yes, but in the first clip, he did it while uppercutting and in the second he didnt do it at all

At least it seemed like that to me XD

[undone anchor]

need to rewatch it

[wispy flax]

Could just be my impression

[undone anchor]

my memory isnt this good 😆 😅

in the midtime here a random clip of a 211 sheathe focus on katana 👍 (i'm just recording random combo clips in the midtime, dont mind me 😆 =

[undone anchor]

in this one, they hold it too early

still not above the enemy that they go into it

but the issue is mostly the grapple / enemy position, they bounce into them and stop the combo

[wispy flax]

U meant to late?

[undone anchor]

early

u see them going forward even before reaching the top of the uppercut

it's way too early

i can work if the grapple is closer in that case, but generally u want to start holding right before reaching the highest point / when you are mid way through, depending on the enemy position

[storm heron]

Charging LMB from Spear is very difficult...
It's like:
right combos = 3
wrong combos = 50

[undone anchor]

where do you see charge rmb?

in the clip i sent it's all charged lmb

rmb does not usually combo

even then rmb is really precise

[storm heron]

i typed wrong, my bad

[wicked socket]

I think I figured it out

[undone anchor]

nice!

[wicked socket]

But I was in a real match so I didn't get to try

[storm heron]

LMB*

[wicked socket]

I'm not consistent at all but I got it once

[undone anchor]

on spear it is tight, it's easier to hit on real people than on a bot 👍

in that specific clip i had to turn the bot off, because it was the day that spear got changed, so i was not used to it 😆

[storm heron]

Well, you have to train against the bot. He gives you a parry that you clearly know is humanly impossible AUEHAUHEAUHEUAEA

[undone anchor]

if you train combos use the combo mode (without disengage)

[storm heron]

I'm doing this. However, I noticed something here. if you do RMB>Uppercut>Grapple the character does a roll...
If you do the uppercut after the dragonSlayer (golden focus atk) this doesn't happen, can you tell me why, or do I just accept that it's like that and peace?

[undone anchor]

after a grapple bump you will do a roll, always

unless you press cntrl + w during it / you input a precise command without directional keys right as you bump, you preinput a focus attack 👍

prolly you are doing smth different between the dragon slayer one and the normal one

[wicked socket]

still can't get the 2nd hit to connect but i got the combo to work

[storm heron]

I'll try to find out what it is, the times I got the error it seemed more like positioning the hook to do the grapple bump correctly.
Thanks again, I'll practice a little here

[undone anchor]

good grapple

when are you starting to press w here?

[wicked socket]

idk lol

[undone anchor]

you got this 👍

[undone anchor]

try going a little before

that grapple allows you to start pressing it during the uppercut, nearly as soon as the animation starts 🤔

keep the grapple the same and try to play around a bit with the w timing 👍

[wicked socket]

YOOOO

[undone anchor]

let s goooooooooooo!!

we gaming now

well done!

and with this, it's time for me to finally go to sleep 😆 😴

gn!

[wicked socket]

GN!

i just gotta get consistent now

[cyan falcon]

Grats to you!

[vernal mulch]

How do you hold dodge?

I mean i figured out that I have to hold dodge and the back movement key but the dodge isnt always the short one

and then I miss the vertical after it

I cant figure out how to make it more consistent

[meager trail]

more practice you'll get use to it

[outer phoenix]

u mean u cant short dodge continuously?

[vernal mulch]

no, i just cant get it every time

is it due to timing?

[outer phoenix]

yea

press s and then shift fast

and release them immediately

[undone anchor]

hold dodge by definition is holding the dodge button (shift)

if you tap it, its going to be a tap dodge, longer and not usable for combos

[compact island]

Just so you know, you do not have to let go before inputting the atk, you can just press the atk without letting go of the dodge button, then you do not have to worry about timing

[burnt falcon]

Wow nice combo

[crude current]

is there like a min fps or ping or smthn for 211 or am i just bad at learning the timing

[meager trail]

there's a min FPS for every combo

[crude current]

im at like 140-150 fps in training room

[meager trail]

that should be enough

[crude current]

and im at 60ms

everytime i can't get the focus off on time and the bot dodges like half a sec or smthn before i release

watching these videos, these ppl are like halfway done charging the focus before they even hit the ground but that doesn't happen for me

[meager trail]

have you tried buffering the blue

[crude current]

im holding rmb the entire time

sometimes focus just doesn't even start charging until the bot is alrdy on the ground

[leaden belfry]

which weapons suck at grapple combos? I know that fistblades can't, and that halberds need you to 0.9 the focus attack,

i'm struggling to do it with the nunchucks

[meager trail]

can't do with nunchucks

[leaden belfry]

I see that makes so much sense lol

any other weapons besides fistblades and nunchucks?

[meager trail]

staff, gs/ps

dagger also

spear lmb you could but the requirements is really tight

[leaden belfry]

what are the most consistent weapons to grapple combo with? I know katana is really good

[meager trail]

kata heng dh db

actually you could do it with GS but you'll need to uppercut target with a diff weapon

then after grapple you switch to gs V hold

[leaden belfry]

with most weapons the focus attack isn't guaranteed unless you .9 correct?

[meager trail]

you should do the ''0.9 release'' on all weapons

[leaden belfry]

ic

are the combos worth going for if i'm on 90-100 ping?

[meager trail]

ground grapple combo can be perform well on 100 ping

target grapple combo can't be perform on 60+ ping

[flat onyx]

Spear is pretty ok in game

Fistblades don’t even need a grapple though, I’m pretty sure there is a true combo for like 2k damage somewhere

[meager trail]

it's not

compare to heng/kata/dh/db

[meager trail]

yeah but the topic is about grapple combo

[flat onyx]

Well grapple combos are there to maximise damage with ease

So I just wanted to say that fists don’t really need them

[flat onyx]

I’ve hit it often on 60 ping

[meager trail]

well he said that he know fistblade can't do grapple combo

as for diff combo ofc every weapons got their own

[meager trail]

i don't care tbh

[flat onyx]

😭ok

[meager trail]

it's harder to hit compare to other weapons that can do grapple combo

that's it

doesn't matter what's your experience with it, fact is fact

[flat onyx]

Facts don’t care Abt my feelings

[undone anchor]

With sky punch tho .... 🤔😂

But it's niche, pretty useless

[wicked socket]

150ish should be enough to do every combo

There's diminishing returns on fps as eventually you hit the speed the game was actually designed to run at and it caps

[viscid kelp]

gl doing this on 150

[undone anchor]

Yep, gl 🤔😂

Min requirement is 300 right?

[viscid kelp]

idk but def very high

I can't imagine it working below 200

maybe 240

It's prob one of the most fps gatekept combos in the game atm

[undone anchor]

Yep

Also LS heavenstep id say? 🤔

[wicked socket]

That's fair but like I'm pretty sure you can do that at 150

Regardless they should fix fps anyway

[viscid kelp]

I am 99.99% sure you can't

not after netcode changes

[undone anchor]

I managed the LS sheathe 221 extension for the third uppercut on 90-100 FPS, so that one it's at least feasible

[viscid kelp]

go back a year and yes you could

but rn no way in hell

[undone anchor]

That specific one was discovered and performed only above 300 fps

[viscid kelp]

Mmh no I don't think so

I knew about it a year ago, maybe more

[wicked socket]

You definitely could it would just be hard
They have the budget

[undone anchor]

I remember it being posted only after netcode

[viscid kelp]

back then LongNotes showed it to me, idk if he did it or sent me a douyin clip

[undone anchor]

Which was 1 year ago, so it would make sense

[viscid kelp]

but afterwards I tried at 200fps

[undone anchor]

🤔

[viscid kelp]

and it worked

[undone anchor]

[viscid kelp]

I definitely knew about it well before netcode changes

just wasn't rly known

[undone anchor]

I imagine, yeah 🤔

Not much real use in a game I would say? Katana and fan were easier

[viscid kelp]

Nah I meant the combo
Before netcode changes, DH heavenstep worked on 200fps and maybe 150fps if you tried insanely hard

but after netcode changes no chance

[wicked socket]

Ahh makes sense

[viscid kelp]

Regarding fixing fps thing, they prob could yeah

Not like NetEase has no money

but they prob have no reason to care

[wicked socket]

Netcode changes were good but they def made the fps problem worse

[undone anchor]

Question is how 🤔, and if they care 🤔😂

[viscid kelp]

Engine change

[wicked socket]

Honestly if enough people ask they probably would especially if we threatened to stop playing lol
Strike lmao

[undone anchor]

But we get less bullshit like hell step at least

[wicked socket]

Ye

[undone anchor]

Before they could just infinite you from anything if they had 100 ms 🤔😂😂

[undone anchor]

If Chinese pros did that, maybe 🤔

We d need a huge amount of players tho

[viscid kelp]

I mean they alr don't care about the west
As far as I know, they p much confirmed, though not publicly, that Naraka is a loss operation in the west
And I can believe it
Rly, if they shut down servers outside of CN, they prob get more money

[wicked socket]

We could get in contact maybe and get them to ask ngl
Idk worth a shot lmao

[viscid kelp]

NetEase also notoriously killed games in the past through shitty practices, so I wouldn't put it past them to not care about CN either

[wicked socket]

If the j cup people started complaining about it they may listen

[undone anchor]

Maybe

[compact island]

Like the fact your PP is ugly?

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disgust-gif-14056253443273255719

[elfin oar]

Bro do akos hu combo contain parry exist

[rotund solstice]

Question for you guys

When do you choose to do a grapple vs a non grapple combo?
Im gonna use spear in this case:
H > c.V > a.H > j.J = 720 dam
H > c.V > H > V > c.H = 942 dam
H > c.V > G > H1.0 = 1044

like unless im either out of grapples or maybe i really dont want the h.10 to push them after the combo i would do the other but outside of that i have no idea why i wouldnt do the grapple one

[compact island]

Terrain comes to mind, I actually got a related question, against the wall grapple fails most of the time, are there some against the wall combos out there? or do I get a net loss?

[cyan falcon]

i will try dis

[undone anchor]

Against walls it depends

Some combos are easier, other not feasible; you need to adjust to the terrain

[undone anchor]

In general the bump always adds dmg and that's great, so if you can why not. Not always you can do it tho; combos on an uphill slope are not feasible, and that's the only moment where you don't get for grapples usually

Or, when you are against a wall, since there things work a bit differently

[compact island]

depends on what? what combos work on walls?

[undone anchor]

Aside from that, the major difference is: when to release or not the focus after the bump. That one is dependant on the bump height, if too low u can't combo

[undone anchor]

Carousel is easier to do against an enemy stuck in a corner for example

Because it won't get sent away but remain stuck in the air close to you

If you are against a wall, 211 is also an option 🤔

[compact island]

sometimes happens that, they land one body above due to wall not being completely vertical, those are the ones that have screw me the most lately

so I cannot do carousel cuz they do not fall low enough

[undone anchor]

Just wait for it

Walls that are not completely vertical I can only think of trees ATM 🤔

[compact island]

yeah but as I said what has happened is the end up landing above me

[undone anchor]

Reset neureal

Back to step 1 🤔

U can only combo if they are in a position to get comboed🤔

[compact island]

damn that sucks

Im used to wall being good

[undone anchor]

Well, walls are usually good 🤔

I really can't think of any where the enemy just stops falling mid wall

Aside trees, which ain't walls

[compact island]

certain slopes got me that, thing is I cannot really pinpoint em on a map, so cannot really be specific

[undone anchor]

I mean, slopes ain't walls 🤔

By definition, u can't combo going uphill

[compact island]

well it was against a mountain, so it was kind of a wall

[undone anchor]

Rocks ain't flat either 🤔

[compact island]

cuz I cannot really walk up

yeah it was not flat

[undone anchor]

I should've specified "building walls" and "rock walls" then, mb 🤔😅

[compact island]

yeah buildwalls are pretty straight up win, for sure

the irregular ones are the ones causing me problems atm

[undone anchor]

As a baseline, if you want to combo, always best to position oneself uphill, so that you can go down, and have more space for combos, or find a flat terrain

Walls, even if vertical don't guarantee anything, but sometimes can open up a possibility

(namely with carousel,which becomes easier depending on how they are against the wall
)

[compact island]

I can understand the concept, but right now Im at a point where I can barely play neutral properly so Im focused entirely on doing certain actions not enough experience to pay attention to the fighting ground advantages

so when I win the netral I just auto grapple combo

and I have been screwed by this weird "walls" lately

[undone anchor]

My best hint for that, is to try and look around

If you are uphill when fighting, you are always going to have an easier time

So try to position yourself accordingly

You will find that you will take less dmg overall, since the enemy can't combo you, and your combos will have an easier time being performed

[compact island]

Yeah I guess is time to pay attention to the battlefield

[undone anchor]

👍👍

U got this 👍

[peak fog]

Hello, guys, I'm a complete beginner in this game, can you please teach me a 211 combo with a long sword?

[undone anchor]

Hello! Since you are a beginner I would not recommend learning 211 as a starter combo 🤔👍👍

But if you got a clip of you trying it, we can see what's wrong with it

[peak fog]

Sorry for the late answer, I've got trouble with recording, how can I send a video?

So, this is how it should be

sometimes I accidentally manage to do

and this is what actually happens

I don't fully understand the problem

[undone anchor]

it's carousel

not 211

this is 211 👍

carousel is a hard combo, even if they say it's for intermediate

a lot of factors influence it

[undone anchor]

if you want smth specific, in the first and second clip, the angle at which you attack the enemy is different

meaning that also their hitbox is shifted

[peak fog]

But I also do a swap weapon, like an uppercut, then sheath weapon, then shift, then rolling down

Isn't it 211 too?

[undone anchor]

in the clips u sent there is no weapon swap nor sheathe

[peak fog]

Well, i tried, maybe i missed

[undone anchor]

with swap it would look like this

but it's a lot harder than the one you are performing above 👍

[peak fog]

And how to do that?

[undone anchor]

need to preinput the sheathe as you are doing the uppercut, dash on the moment you go no weapon and instantly input the weapon key to reequip it

then perform a vertical as soon as you can, follow up

enemy direction is important, always need to aim at their left shoulder

and timing is essential aswell

[peak fog]

Uff, this is very important, I had no idea about it!

Thank you so much

[undone anchor]

np

[oak surge]

ur right click's knocking him too far

u usually want the enemy to be as close to u as possible so ur a2 will airborn him

u can get a 100% success rate with this combo if u do it into a wall cause the enemy can't fly further

[oak surge]

there is like 10 different methods to do it

there is the 180 rotate ca 2a b

there is a dual blade cupper cut mid air swap ca one

there is grapple ones there is non grapple ones

[compact island]

@undone anchor Hey man, I went to training and just could not follow up anything, can you show me what you do against a wall like in training

what would you do if you catch an enemy beside that wall

you win neutral

the moment I do the launcher, I lose it

[undone anchor]

Those are different combos

This one you can do either as shown in my clip with a sheathe 211 or with 2 weapon one

Aside that, not feasible

[undone anchor]

That's not a wall 🤔😂

No way u get a combo against that

Those are rocks, as we were saying yesterday, not a vertical surface

If the enemy gets against that, just reset neutral and back to hold checking

Ur best option is to avoid going into that wall; either reposition while doing an ADA or u don't have many possibilities

[flat onyx]

If you have a dagger or fan, scalerush spam them