🔱┃weapons-combat

[viscid kelp]

Most times it seems like you either do the dodge input incorrectly or only swap once

[silent mica]

I got that part down now. The problem now is idk how i can possible do it any faster. The bot gets up before i can do that blue.

[dim abyss]

what is your fps

[silent mica]

Idk how to check, Im a bot.

165 but idk if im getting that or not since the game has no fps counter.

https://youtu.be/i7iLBifKI4U

How can i possibly do it any faster than this?

[undone anchor]

I feel like the dodge animation is too long 🤔, but this specific one is a combo I still have not taken my time to learn, so Takao definitely has a better answer 🤔👍

Or it could simply be a FPS problem 🤔👍

[viscid kelp]

Like so

Adjusted my ping to roughly match yours, as that affects swap timings

Ideally you don't want to see the dodge at all

[silent mica]

Are you holding shift or tapping?

[viscid kelp]

Short hold, doesn't rly matter though

Just a habit

[silent mica]

Ok.

so the conslusion is that im ass.

Ty.

[silent mica]

Yeah i dont get it. I literally cannot possible go any faster bruh.

Idk how you dash and switch so fast.

Even if i do it and dont see the dash the bot still lands and rolls before i charge the 1.0.

[viscid kelp]

It's harder on the bot than on real players
As long as your swap roughly matches the speed in my clip, it's okay

[silent mica]

Yeah but how tf are u doing it so fast?

😐

Im copying your inputs but if i try to dash and swap at the same time that shit dont work.

[undone anchor]

Tryed using the scroll wheel?

[silent mica]

Yup.

I literally cannot physically go faster. Idk how that guy is doing it so fast.

Bros got like 500 fps or something.

[final escarp]

190

you can see it top right

[undone anchor]

it's a timing matter

the same principle worked for heavenstep or slide upperut in general

[silent mica]

Yeah I don’t get how he’s dodging and switching at the same time. When I do that I don’t get the dodge.

I practiced it for like two hours lmao.

[undone anchor]

yeah, it's a hard combo

i wouldnt recommend starting with it

[dim abyss]

not for beginners

[silent mica]

This is actually the hardest thing I’ve ever tried to learn in naraka.

😔

Thanks for the help everyone.

[wary escarp]

I'm learning how to fall in love with this game again, haven't able to done it ever since fistblades out

[restive oar]

What's your fps?

You may just simply may not be able to do it. I struggle to do it consistently at 100 fps.

If you are using the steam client it cones built in with an fps counter.

Yeah combos are neat and all, except that 80%+ of them are fing paywalled lol.

[undone anchor]

Yep

[wary escarp]

Or straight up unrealistic to perform in real match

[craggy drum]

I'm curious when u guys quick swap what do u use like the mouse wheel or buttons

I'm kinda struggling with like quick swaping

[viscid kelp]

Usually I manage it in such a way that no one hand is doing too many things

For example if I'm doing a bunch of movement inputs, my keyboard hand is alr busy, so I swap using mouse wheel

If I'm doing a lot of attack inputs, my mouse hand is busy, so I swap using keyboard keys

So for 211 for example, I use mouse wheel, while for the DB/katana swap, I use keyboard keys

[silent mica]

It’s not an dps thing or ping. I’m simply just bad lol.

I’m a returning player tbf.

This 221 thing is the hardest thing I’ve learned in naraka.

[meager trail]

nothing hard for me ||cuz i didn't even bother to learn it||

https://tenor.com/view/smart-think-meme-intelligence-common-sense-gif-8946867

[restive oar]

Nah if you had 300+ fps it would be braindead ez promise

[undone anchor]

Yepyep...

As most combos...

[restive oar]

Ye. Except for like the small few, but even those are "easier"

[viscid kelp]

Framerate doesn't affect the swap in itself at all

Just how difficult it is to hit

[undone anchor]

👍

[viscid kelp]

You could practice the swap at 300fps and would do it perfectly on 60, and vice versa

[undone anchor]

Stupid question, why is 2 "1" inputs?

[viscid kelp]

I think you used to actually press 211 for it, but the combo changed over time

[undone anchor]

And also, the second swap is at the end of the dash, but you preinput it as soon as the dash starts, correct? 🤔

[undone anchor]

Oh, I see

Big misconception I had then

Prolly why I was failing then

[viscid kelp]

You cancel the dash with the swap

[undone anchor]

👍

So input as soon as possible once the dash started

Perfect

[viscid kelp]

Ideally you wanna input the swap almost at the same time as the dash

Yeah

[undone anchor]

This is the time I'm glad to have trained my piano skillsNGL 🤔😂😂

[silent mica]

Yeah but 300 fps is just uncalled for. Most people won’t have that.

[silent mica]

Work smarter not harder head ahh.

[meager trail]

[little shard]

Anyone knows how does the nbpl trios hero point system works? Can’t seem to find any information that matches with the current one.

[stiff wagon]

How to fight against fist blades?

Like if I go for blue hold neutral and decide to Dodge they have advantage cause they can instantly dodge and release the blue how do I win neutral is there any trick so should I just smash counter and hope for Parry?

[fiery loom]

Hello

[undone anchor]

People normally release the focus right after a dash in your direction; your best bet is ideally to clash, since parry is dangerous

But aside from that, dodge backwards, try to make them exhaust stamina and then punish

[stiff wagon]

man its either polearm greatwords or fistblades people are using and i really suck at fighting these weapons

[wary escarp]

A neat trick I catch up with people dealing with me using fistblades is against horizontal focus, they usually jump while I dashing parry as they fall if they see release

but it is me being a fool all the same

[golden monolith]

do polesword still get normal stoneform when moving with charged vertical

[meager trail]

it does

[viscid kelp]

When running with vertical charge you have normal stoneform yes

[naive plaza]

I’ve been using nunchucks a lot more since the abomination that is fistblades was released

Horizontal block can be a lifesaver

[floral dragon]

How to play this game its hard 😭

[torpid pulsar]

I am also very new. i have about 30 hours on the game. my advice that i have figured out is go into open training, and turn the bot to the different settings and on easy mode to learn the basics such as blocking, attacking, comboing, and such.

[hard dune]

I just started playing today. It's seems pretty fun. But it is taking time to figure out everything

[undone anchor]

I recommend checking the #1030084870904492113 channel; there Is a ton of very useful tutorials there 👍👍👍👍

The game is very hard in the beginning (steep learning curve,), but it gets better

[elder wave]

pretty sure it's an input queue thing
had the same issue when i was learning the combo
i'm guessing you queue the swap early and input the dash+ directional input immediatly after

gotta either delay the swap and do the inputs in 1 go or queue swap early and delay the dash

refer to this beautiful drawing takao did a while back

this is the moment during the uppercut animation you're able to dash after a swap

so basically you swap and input the dash before you're actually able to dash therefore putting it in the queue

so when you spam switch right after your dash input in the queue gets overwritten

[silent mica]

W picture.

[undone anchor]

Well explained 👍👍

[solar maple]

Is there any list of katana and or longsword combos that work after all the patches they made to grapples and all that

[undone anchor]

Everything that isn't heavenstep or he'll step 🤔👍👍

Hell*

The rest you can all do, except some specific juggles with skills 👍

Which have just become harder or require higher fps

(continuos slide uppercut isn't a thing anymore; it requires a ton of FPS, and specific conditions, so consider it nonexistent)

But you can do it by swapping katana into Heng sword and rinse and repeat

[elder wave]

or just sheathe kek

[undone anchor]

Or do that 🤔👍

But it's somewhat harder

For the sheate key I can't find a comfortable place to put 🤔😂😂

And it requires 1 more input

[final escarp]

Alt

works for me

[elder wave]

i've put it on one of my thumb mouse buttons on my logitech G502

[undone anchor]

🤔

[undone anchor]

I only got 2 buttons there

Crouch and parry 🤔👍👍

[final escarp]

why crouch?

[undone anchor]

Cuz it's smoother for me

[final escarp]

fair

[undone anchor]

I have better coordination by doing crouch and attack input with only 1 hand 👍

[final escarp]

also got only 2 buttons on my mouse, got armor powder and parry

[undone anchor]

Armor powder? 🤔🤔🤔

[final escarp]

boom dodges

I think they are that

change your char into non combat state by using repair or armor poweder and cancel it for longer dodges

[undone anchor]

Yep

I use repair tool

Prefer it

[final escarp]

is that called boom dodges?

[undone anchor]

I recall bump, but I saw boom dodge mentioned aswell

I can research a bit and tell you once I am sure 👍

[elder wave]

i didn't even know that was a thing

[undone anchor]

It's like a double tap dodge without rolling

[elder wave]

i'ma start calling it boom dodges and if it's wrong i blame you kek

[elder wave]

the more you know lol

[final escarp]

if you come across it, gladly.

[solar maple]

Could you give me some bare bones for katana and longsword then please

a video

Acca -u -h-v-v (katana)

Doesn’t seem to work anymore

[undone anchor]

We were both wrong

Bomb dodges

https://youtu.be/6QQwVeW59iw?si=Wx9PEpBv-N6v-EGp

[undone anchor]

That s a carousel; it's insanely difficult to perform, and it varies based on your FPS, enemy position and terrain 👍

But it still works

[undone anchor]

I'll send you some basic combos that you can learn once I am home 👍👍

[solar maple]

It has been my bread an butter since day one

I simply can’t do it anymore

[undone anchor]

The netcode made it harder

You have to relearn timing, position,... All specific to your fos

I really struggle to it aswell atm

[solar maple]

shi

[undone anchor]

Go basic grapple combo, or even better double uppercut 👍👍

More dmg overall and way less difficult 👍

[solar maple]

It would probably be easier with a weapon swap from katana to heng. To cancel out the uppercut earlier

[undone anchor]

(I technically found a setup to carousel guaranteed with LS, but it's untrue and it requires specific lineup with Kylin f2 🤔👍👍)

[undone anchor]

I can send you that if you need 👍👍

[solar maple]

Oh no I was talking about katana

[undone anchor]

Katana carousel should be easier from what I have been told, but I never really took my time to learn it sadly

Since katana horizontal shots the people to the ground for me

[solar maple]

My katana bread and butter was a simple acca-u-h-v-v

[undone anchor]

Do a katana Heng swap; it should be guaranteed then 👍👍🤔

If you already got the timings online

[solar maple]

bet

[undone anchor]

No dash nothing, just preinput the swap mid uppercut, and wait for the rest 🤔👍

Should make the animation a bit quicker

If it does not work, try dashing a bit

[solar maple]

What are the basic grapple combos? I personally have legit zero aim so anything that requires aiming is a no for me but I could send it to friend who needs it

[undone anchor]

Grapple bump into focus and grapple bump into second uppercut and double / triple aH

I'll send clips in a sec

[undone anchor]

DW, u just need to have your crossair in the general position; the hard part is the grapple timing 👍👍

[solar maple]

If possible for longsword and heng for the friend

[undone anchor]

Yes

[solar maple]

No I’m serious. my aim is actually that bad

[undone anchor]

Doable for: katana, Heng, LS, DB, DH

[undone anchor]

I trust you can do it 👍👍

[solar maple]

I’ve been practicing aim bot for 2 years

And still can’t land a single hit

[undone anchor]

You don't need to move your camera at all 👍👍

[solar maple]

unless I’m lucky

[undone anchor]

I can't hit a thing standing still 👍👍

In any fps

It's just a matter of how down to look, the rest is timing 👍👍

[solar maple]

okay okay I’ll give it a try then when I start playing the game again. Thank you for a moment of your time and @ me when you send the video

[undone anchor]

👍👍

Will do

[undone anchor]

here are some basic grapple combos 👍

@solar maple

[elder wave]

@undone anchor if you time it correctly you can follow-up with a garuanteed dash > vertical with duals

[undone anchor]

yep

i simply didnt bother to do it in these clips, as it was not required for what i needed them for 🙂

[elder wave]

fair enough

[undone anchor]

but thanks for adding that; i had forgotten it

[solar maple]

also

Someone told me these grapple combos are harder to do with a controller or on console

Is that true

[undone anchor]

yep

becaus u dont have enough fps

these combos require you to have at least 75 fps

minimum

optimal would be 85+, best 100+

consoles are normally capped at around 60 from what i have seen

[solar maple]

so what are console combos

[undone anchor]

ehm.....

would it console you if i said that it's better to give up combos on console? 😅

[elder wave]

best combo for console create ebay account > sell console > buy PC

[solar maple]

[undone anchor]

sadly after netcode especially the combos are heavy fps dependant

[solar maple]

https://tenor.com/view/ruckus-this-cant-be-no-this-cant-be-sad-read-letter-gif-14293155805878050145

[undone anchor]

so consoles can do even less than before

[solar maple]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-turn-around-gif-15911974

Aight I’m head out

[elder wave]

@undone anchorbtw is there a trick to the ls grapple combo? it's the only weapon where grapple bump into blue focus is super inconsistent for me

same for 211

[undone anchor]

have you got a clip?

LS is really precise, since the focus attack is that small

so it's just a matter of getting the right position / the right kind of bump

[elder wave]

no clips sadly )=

[undone anchor]

if you want smth more consistent, do the double uppercut, imo way easier 👍

[elder wave]

mkay guess i'll stick to that then

[final escarp]

and more dmg

[elder wave]

out of curiosity though what would "the right kind of bump" be? i had assumed you'd have to aim somewhat close similar to dual grapple

[undone anchor]

by right kind of grapple i mean one that lets you bump and send the berson high enough

[elder wave]

well assuming you grapple asap it'd be dependant on where you aim no? like for katana/heng you aim somewhat far and for duals you aim somewhat close

[undone anchor]

yep, it s dependant on aim

but if it's too close you will get no bump, too far, you will get weird bump

it's just more precise than katana

somewhat lenient on the sides, but not too much

[elder wave]

so where do i have to aim for ls? i had assumed it's similar to duals where you aim slightly behind your opponent around the edge of the lock-on circle

[undone anchor]

you want to be in the dead center

[elder wave]

aight i'ma give it a shot

thanks ❤️

[undone anchor]

np 👍

tell me if it helps at some point

[elder wave]

will do boss

@undone anchorjust rewatched your clip and noticed that you grapple near the edge of the lock-on circle there 😮

[undone anchor]

That's because I m used to double uppercutting

[elder wave]

but i mean that still seems to work for you

[undone anchor]

It's harder 👍

[elder wave]

i see

welp idk what i'm doing wrong center aim doesn't work for me either i can get maybe 1/5 when i aim around the lock-on edge

and i input the grapple immediatly after the uppercut input
the animation's cut off too so i'd assume i do it asap

[undone anchor]

If you see that the grapple is too low, try aiming a bit further away 🤔👍

[elder wave]

lmao yeah if i aim around where i would aim for katana / heng grapples it actually seems to work

now how do i land that ls blue focus in a 211? XD

okay i think i've pinpointed what i've been doing wrong

rather than grapple aim it's the blue focus release timing

like normally i just wait for the blue focus to flash up then release it but that seems to be too late for ls

it works when i "predict" the right timing and release the button right before the blue focus flashes up

[undone anchor]

Should always release exactly at 1.0 👍👍

[final escarp]

What's the order when doing a simple weapon swap combo? When is the earliest I can input the swap?

Like heng sword toothick --> cV --> grapple --> swap to greatsword --> focus Vertical

I think it's that order. I did it sometimes but not consistent

[meager trail]

that's the right order

if you do it right you'll see your weapon change when you haven't bumped into target yet

then you can buffer the blue hold from there

[wise coral]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1286185822835703889

[final escarp]

ty

[elder wave]

does anyone know any good true combos/setups for wuchen's V2?

[undone anchor]

v2?

the blades you mean?

you can raw dragon with those i reckon

:rhum

👍 *

[elder wave]

@undone anchoryeah the blades
what'd that look like inputwise?
uppercut > V2 > aerial horizontal > V2?

[undone anchor]

i actually should try it

dont remember if wuchen v2 actually sends the enemy far or keeps it in place and only sends you backwards

in 2h i can try for you prolly

maybe a bit more

need to finish smth first

[elder wave]

alrighty thanks ❤️

[undone anchor]

np

[wary escarp]

Last time I tried this it is not true

His V2 initiation is too slow, the enemy will landed on the ground before you can actually do anything after casting it

[elder wave]

@wary escarpthe confirms i know of so far are
toothpick > uppercut > turn 180° > V2 > V2
or if you have his F2 activated
toothpick > uppercut > turn 180° > V2 > F2 > > toothpick > uppercut > grapple > uppercut > aerial horizontal > V2
or without the grapple/double uppercut part if you play a mode where green focus is a thing

[cyan falcon]

so Katana, Spear, and fist blades are getting reworks ?

[undone anchor]

Katana and spear

Fistblades looks like aswell, but slower animations overall, which sounds not bad 🤔

I'm scared of their plans tho

Spear is huge

[elder wave]

@cyan falconwhere'd you get that news from? 😮

@undone anchordid you get to test wuchen's V2 yet?

[undone anchor]

didnt work

sry, i forgot to tell 🤦

[elder wave]

@undone anchorah okay unlucky )=
and no worries
thanks for testing ❤️

[craggy drum]

is there liek a quick swap guide or something

i cant get it down

[wicked crescent]

What are they reworking in these weapons?

[cyan falcon]

Idk if i can talk about it here cuz i haven’t seen anyone from NA talk about it yet

Ill dm it to you both.

@wicked crescent @elder wave

[mild prawn]

Guys every time I attempt to perform a grapple combo, be it with the long sword, katana or heng sword, I dont seem to be able to land the focus attack after the grapple.

I am not sure if its a ping issue since my ping varies between 65 and 72

I never was able to land it as a true combo even once

I dont let my character jump after the upper cut

I am not sure if the issue has to do with where I aim for my grapple to go or is it something else.

I have also noticed that after the grapple part of the combo, for some reason the character does not fly high enough for me to charge my focus attack.

[naive plaza]

a video of you attempting the grapple combo would be super helpful! also if youre using the combo bot the basic longsword grapple combo is notoriously finnicky on it since he has 0ms

[mild prawn]

I will send in a bit.

[mild prawn]

Here is one for the long sword

And one for the Heng sword

[viscid kelp]

For longsword try to do this one
It deals p much identical damage

[viscid kelp]

Try to start holding A + rmb during the grapple animation. You seem to start holding a bit late

Similar to how I hold CTRL + W + rmb here

Just A + rmb should do the trick already though

[mild prawn]

I usually do hold W with rmb just like you do, when I try to hold rmb a bit earlier it switches to a ground pound "vertical attack" for some reason xD

Will holding A prevent that from happening?

[viscid kelp]

If you preinput A + rmb it should always just focus hold as quickly as possible

[mild prawn]

Okay I will try that, Also do i need to let go of W if I am going to hold A?

[viscid kelp]

I wouldn't press W unless I use CTRL + W, so yeah, I would recommend not using it

[mild prawn]

Oooooh, that must be it actually, fantastic, thank you so much, I will try that and see what's going to happen🖤 .

[viscid kelp]

No problem, hope it helps

[elder wave]

grapple aim might be a bit off for heng sword as well
you aim for the back edge of the lock-on circle pre-uppercut whereas takao aims at the edge after the opponent has gotten launched away by the uppercut
that's around where i aim my grapple with heng and katana as well
if i aim too close it won't work for me

[mild prawn]

Interesting, for a beginner's combo there is just a lot of precision to excute the combo xD

[elder wave]

it doesn't have to be super precise
but from my experience you aim a bit further with heng and katana and close for stuff like duals or longsword

if i remember correctly you can see the difference in the uppercuts as well
heng and katana tend to launch the opponent further away from you i believe

[naive plaza]

i also find that starting to hold the focus when i hear the grapple bump connect helps, but as takao said you can also just pre input

i just find the audio cue a helpful reminder for my brain

[mild prawn]

Thanks a lot fam, I will definitely try to aim a bit further away.

[mild prawn]

Very true the animation is quite different and the opponet's model reacts differently.

[mild prawn]

I also used to depend on the sound queue, but I felt it could be inconsistent as sometimes I just do a normal vertical attack.

Now I found out that it's probably because my Input "holding W" without CTRL

I might end up relying on sound again once I fix my inputs

[mild prawn]

Many thanks for the tip🎩

[elder wave]

okay i just hopped into training and tested it real quick
the regular uppercut launch distance for heng and longsword actually seems to be roughly the same
things change when the animation cancel with the grapple gets involved though
heng will still launch the full distance with grapple whereas longsword barely moves the opponent horizontally

[viscid kelp]

Yes, it's due to the nature of longsword uppercut having multiple stages/hits normally

If grapple cancelled, longsword uppercut sends the enemy high but very close to yourself

Whereas katana/heng send them further forwards

DB/DH are a bit inbetween

[mild prawn]

You ppl are very well versed in the mechanics of this game, I have a 120 hours and I still can't perform such a basic combo xD

How many hours do you guys have?

[viscid kelp]

Steam says

for me

[mild prawn]

Holyyyyyyyyyyyyy Shmollyyyyyyyyyy

Deom

What is your rank if I may ask Takao?

I am Solar tho Eu servers are full of bots xD

[elder wave]

hard to say tbh i've been online almost all day lately though i've been afk 90% of the time
this is mostly due to me working from home primarily so i just afk chill in the hub for the most part

[viscid kelp]

Uh, I think my peak in solos and trios was asura, and duos unrivalled asura
But honestly rank in this game is a bit whatever, if you play enough, you can usually get any rank

[mild prawn]

Awww, that sounds nice, what type of work do you do?

[elder wave]

system engineer for the government kek

[mild prawn]

Sheeeesh hot damn xD

[mild prawn]

Followed by another hot damn

[viscid kelp]

Yeah like half the lobby tends to be bots in the west, unfortunately
Lobby sizes are a bit too big
It does get a bit better in higher ranks though

In low ranks the game fills an excessive amount of bots

[elder wave]

it sounds more impressive than it actually is lol

[mild prawn]

Is that because the low player base in the west?

[mild prawn]

I doubt that haha, ppl that are humble usually do crazy shi xD

[elder wave]

meant to reply to this one btw just to clarify

[viscid kelp]

Yep
There is just not enough people to have many 48 player lobbies with fair matchmaking
They've been told the west would profit from smaller lobbies, so they actually get filled by players, but they haven't really done much for that

[mild prawn]

Sadge

[elder wave]

@mild prawn nah man trust me it's pretty mundane

was gonna elaborate but let's not get into that particular rabbit hole 😂

[viscid kelp]

By the way, the pins in this channel have a bunch of ressources for various topics

Recommend looking at that

[mild prawn]

I certainly well, thank you for pointing that out.

It's a pleasure to interact with you guys, really fun and helpful ppl : )

[viscid kelp]

Appreciated, glad to be able to help

[elder wave]

has been nice to meet ya 😄

btw @viscid kelp is the cH after cV > H > V true for spear? o.O

[viscid kelp]

If done correctly it should be, but it has become less consistent because of some netcode changes
Especially on the bot, since it doesn't have ping like real players

On staff it's even much harder, because staff's uppercut is worse for that specific combo

[elder wave]

ah okay just saw the combo in one of the pinned clips and been wondering why it normally doesn't land for me lol

@viscid kelp btw i've been trying to 211 into a dagger horizontal blue focus lately
am i too slow or is it impossible to get a 2nd knock-up off the blue focus?

[viscid kelp]

Dagger horizontal focus doesn't pick the enemy off the ground well, so yeah, not getting it to uppercut in that way is expected

[elder wave]

oh okay that's a bummer
thanks as always ❤️

[viscid kelp]

Np

[wary escarp]

Also fistblades uppercut now send you flying too

[undone anchor]

I saw a tarka infinite with it....

Luckily it's still a jade😭🤦🏼‍♂️

[wary escarp]

Wait, it is a jade?

[undone anchor]

Takao said so 👍

And I'm happy with it

Would've been depressing otherwise

[wary escarp]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1286400834799927389 We have this now

Have a read

[undone anchor]

Gimme a few mins, need to ready up for uni first 👍

I literally just woke up 😂

[wary escarp]

ok, ok, take your time, it is really interesting, tho it's a bit google translated

[wary escarp]

Yep, it is a jade

[dark hornet]

how do you stop rolling after a grapple attack?

[undone anchor]

tap cntrl plus "w" when you grapple

(quick tap)

or hold "a" or "d" when you are doing the combo 👍

[dark hornet]

im holding a or d but im still rolling

ill try out the ctrl + w method in a bit

[final escarp]

Any tips for hitting the 3 bow hs after flinging an enemy (like heng sword focus vertical)?

I struggle switching fast enough and hitting the first headshot

[viscid kelp]

Crouch swap

Also, hitting 3 is kinda hard now

cuz 24E hates combos

2 is usually most you can get

[final escarp]

ty

[spice pike]

What's a good meta

[honest creek]

You ain’t ever gonna master the meta?😭🖕

[elder wave]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/heJmnynchw8JIsbseq/200w.gif?cid=82a1493b16yi9odkdr9227y5huuvblt9o6xq9wc993dv4gh4&ep=v1_gifs_related&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[marsh zephyr]

adsas

[split spire]

Balanced new uppercut jade

[split spire]

@unkempt crane witness this very balanced dmg

[unkempt crane]

you did one jump lmb to much tho

max 2 will be true everything else is because of ping

[split spire]

ur higher in general, i think the third JLMB is pretty true

[unkempt crane]

idk i dont think so but even without that you can do 4 jump lmbs after the first upercut

[split spire]

and even if say its just not enough then we can actually do JLMB -> JRMB -> CLMB instead

[unkempt crane]

clmb is not true after jrmb

[split spire]

tf

bot cant dodge it tho

[unkempt crane]

bots also get rubberbanded

[split spire]

no like JRMB sends them in the air

and i hit CLMB while they are airborne

so like it makes sense logically

[meager lynx]

when starts new season? when is the new bp?

[split spire]

in 26 hours and 39 mins the servers go down

they go live in 30 hours and 39 mins from now

with the new season

[meager lynx]

wow ok! so basically tomorrow at like 2 am or so?

[split spire]

depends on ur time zone

[meager lynx]

for me its now 10 pm

[split spire]

servers go down at 1 am ur time then

and 4 am game goes live

[meager lynx]

ok, thank you sm!

[split spire]

np

[unkempt crane]

if you have high ping the enemy will get put higher so you push him up when doing the jrmb then the clmb is possibel but its not acctualy possibel

i was a littel slow there but it dosent matter

[split spire]

no no

u are doing it with the standard combo without the jade

yeah ik its not true there

do it alone tho

and its true

its the same concept if the enemy is higher

[unkempt crane]

yeah but what iam saying its not always possibel

so you will still not be abel to do it you can probebly do 2 jlmbs or jrmb clmb

not both tho

[viscid kelp]

I would argue in Numi's case he actually sent the bot higher ngl

[split spire]

nope

first JLMB

Valda is lower than the bot

numi is the same height

[viscid kelp]

Yeah but that is high ping antics
Longer hit delay means you can jlmb earlier into the float than Numi

Your jlmb will just also hit with more delay

[cinder thorn]

ping carried

[split spire]

Even assuming there is an extra JLMB there due to ping the damage is still 1835 which is insane

[cinder thorn]

yeah fistblades broken same story

oh right is soulshatter even good now

i can react to it fully and it feels really weak fighting it

[frail cliff]

can smbody pls help me with basic grapple bump im in vc

[split spire]

It will be more broken with the new jade that’s the point

[cinder thorn]

idk it's like 200 extra damage you're already cooked if you get hit

[frail cliff]

nvmd i got it

[spice sinew]

update

[viscid kelp]

I can just kinda delete that once the patch is out

[undone anchor]

i guess 👍

[split spire]

rip

@unkempt crane i was 1v1ing a bit with valda and most of the time im losing on F1 cuz it doesnt give me gold focus as im casting, and i lose in F2 cuz it doesnt catch golden focus so like actually the new buff is gonna be insane

also on F2 rn ppl escape quite fast if u catch them with it, like they can dodge before u can hold dodge attack them (if there is some distance between u and them)

with the new 1.1 sec thats not gonna happen

actually insane

and again F1 is actually pretty busted if u can have gold focus while using it

[unkempt crane]

yeah i know thats what i said. they basicaly removed the valda issues

there where combos i know that where not possibel with the old f2 but now are. they basicaly gave us with valda now alot more TODs

[split spire]

wait what combos

new F2 cant combo extend tho

[unkempt crane]

secret

[split spire]

i see

[unkempt crane]

it still can

just not as fast as before

[split spire]

after grapple bump

right

its like matari F ig

u can do a full charge after grapple bump

[unkempt crane]

everything that is below a charge timing is possibel

the valda f1 takes a littel less then a focus attack

[split spire]

are the new TODs with Fan?

cuz i discovered u can do two back to back focuses with fan

with the extra height from the bubble

[unkempt crane]

no back then when i found it there was no fan

[split spire]

oh u found it long ago

[unkempt crane]

acctualy these combos are even raw dragons so you can just kill everyone

[split spire]

damn

[unkempt crane]

the probleme was that the bubble time was a littel to short so it only works against 40+ ping

[split spire]

i know some katana and heng combos

[split spire]

i mean the side bubbles are still 0.5sec

the katana combos i know is where u do the uppercut -> into a 2nd uppercut -> into change direction aerial -> into a small bubble -> into reset combo

can be done with heng

there is another easier heng combo where u LMB -> go behind them -> LMB -> Uppercut -> grapple bump -> wait for them to hit the bubble -> reset combo

[split spire]

unless u mean u are talking about new EXTENDED combos

and not combos u start with the F

Tbh i can see some combos at low ping with multiple sliding uppercuts into land on a small bubble into combo reset

utilizing 211

[unkempt crane]

well i need to check myselfe how exactly i did them its more then a year ago so i dont know the full rotation of it but alot of it was combo starters

[viscid kelp]

I still remember when Valda F2 was so buggy it didn't even guarantee combo start

[split spire]

btw can u confirm if this is a real true combo

[unkempt crane]

its not true no the moment he falls he can input sommthing. if he woud not fall you coud not do 2 focus attacks

[split spire]

i think its soft true then

cuz the bot cant dodge, but u prob can F

[unkempt crane]

you can F and probebly parry on low vs low ping

[split spire]

parry nah thats the same as react parrying a focus

[unkempt crane]

i mean you can react parry alot things

and i know for a fact you can parry there because i did it or people did it on me

[split spire]

i'd assume their timing wasnt on point then

[unkempt crane]

if you time it frame perfect it might not be possibel but thats unlikely

[split spire]

actually if u memorize the soaked bar

u can time it perfectly

[unkempt crane]

you can input parrry before already so if you slightly miss the timing you can parry. people will not parry you on 100ms because they need to parry earlyer so they will just get hit or need to soft combo break

[split spire]

there is another way to time it

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Nowras leveled up!

[split spire]

after u spear

crouch then dash and hold blue and release upon 2nd stage of katana

like if u do it that way u cant mess up the timing

and u can land a full blue 2nd stage and follow up with a grapple into grapple bump and a 2nd blue

oh fk i discovered a new low ping fan combo with the ult

@viscid kelp i need aerial grapples to be allowed

this shit is ass without them

u can literally just double blue anyways since if u uppercut after the ult u send them too high and u can just double blue off grappling them in the air

bruh its 2300 dmg on the new patch

aint no way low ping players are the only ones who have access to this new broken ass combo because naraka devs are so incompetent to fix the weird fall animation bug

[unkempt crane]

aha

[viscid kelp]

I mean idk I feel like whenever people see a high dmg combo they go

when in reality it's more than enough to deal just normal combo dmg

the true issue is actually connecting the spell and having a setup to get a combo in the first place

[split spire]

bro its just land ur ult spear

and thats it

then u uppercut, and grapple them in the air with fan

[viscid kelp]

Yes, landing ult spear has always been very lethal for the enemy if they have no tools to combo break

[split spire]

and chain two back to back blues into an rmb

literal piss easy

[viscid kelp]

Landing Lyam orb has also always been very lethal if the enemy has no tools to combo break

though Lyam orb is also easier to hit

Still it's not a revelation

Either way, I don't rly think the grapple bump bug on high ping will be fixed

It's likely a netcode interaction

[split spire]

doesnt feel like it since it just randomly appears

and it has like no reason being there

like wdym in 60 ms u can do it just fine and suddenly 10 ms after that u cant lol

[viscid kelp]

Infinite jumping with swap->focus hold also has no reason being there, but they literally cannot fix it and had to comp ban it because of that

and that's also a netcode interaction

And infinite jumping also gets a lot easier with higher ping

I feel like they probably have a similar cause

[split spire]

yeah i can see they are both similar

but its nerfed for grapple bump and allowed for the aerial jumping

like what

like u can literally see there is a bandaid code somewhere that says "after X ping, disable holding blue in the air after grapple bump"

and the same code isnt there for flying tech

[viscid kelp]

No, I just think the game doesn't know what to make of your character's state mid-air until the grapple bump is confirmed by the server

Your grapple terminates inside the opponent, but the bump requires server validation

[split spire]

thats also false because the fall animation lasts way more than my ping

[viscid kelp]

It p much always stops the moment the bump is registered

[split spire]

if u grapple bump someone who is extremely high up, even if the fall takes 1 hour i cant hold blue until i reach the ground

[viscid kelp]

Like idk it's just a netcode quirk

There is no random nerf ping on aerial grapple code, I can assure you as much

[split spire]

but i can somehow jump btw

[viscid kelp]

These devs wouldn't even know why aerial grapple might be important

[split spire]

like if u bump someone

i can jump

i do a lot of things

just not hold blue

its definitely some band aid code they have there because there prob was some insane ping abuse combo pre-new netcode with it

[viscid kelp]

No not rly

and still

they are

clueless

They can't band-aid something they don't understand

It's just a plain netcode interaction, just like infinite jumping

Maybe this one could be fixed if bumps became more client sided, but I don't think they would do that

cuz it could fuck up a few things

So I assume just like infinite jumping, this will remain untouched

[split spire]

LMAO I WAS ABLE TO GRAPPLE BUMP INTO A BLUE FOCUS

BUT I CAN ONLY DO IT WITH H

IF I ABUSE FLYING TECH INSTANTLY AFTER THE BUMP

this sht is garbage

its definitely a bandaid code im calling it

because the thing they dont understand is holding blue in the air

and why that is allowed

so they were like no holding blue in the air for high ping

[viscid kelp]

I mean idk think whatever you want

Considering all the chanegs these devs have and haven't done

I'm just p damn sure they are clueless

and the only thing that beats their lack of knowledge about their own game is their lack of care for it

They never gave a fuck about how their things work with ping, look at NA constantly being the victim of absurdities

[split spire]

is it possible to do flying tech with vertical btw?

[viscid kelp]

H/V doesn't matter

H is just safer in case you fuck it up

[split spire]

well i personally cant with V tho

i do it very consistently with H

i cant do it once with V

okay its a muscle memory issue ig

i tried a bit and it works with rmb if i tried hard enough

[viscid kelp]

I think it's prob easiest to get used to 1/2

rather than mousewheel

Because mousewheel will be weird for your right hand muscle memory wise if you wanna switch between H and V

Either works just fine mechanically though

1/2 or mousewheel, H or V, all goes

[split spire]

yeah i use mousewheel

i need to develop new tech to bump in the air

crazy sht

nah this is crazy

my keyboard response time is ass and i just noticed that

nah i think the problem is my keyboard struggles to input two keys at the same time

yep i need a new keyboard

yeah flying tech allows bumps to happen in the air. @viscid kelp is it possible to do flying tech using a 211

cuz i dont want to switch my weapon if i wanna combo with it

so if its possible to just 211 it

[viscid kelp]

I mean

I guess

sheathe during grapple animation

then upon bump, do flying tech to your primary weapon

[split spire]

o

IT WORKS

I CAN DO IT

the only issue is im not used to sheathe stuff at all

ill need a good keybind for sheathe now

Lets go takao!! We ascended through trash ass netcode

[undone anchor]

Try the one under the esc button, the lock on one 🤔👍

It's similar to using swap keys, so it should be somewhat comfortable

[split spire]

ill prob use tab

and make that button be the tab

[undone anchor]

🤔👍

[split spire]

i discovered new tech

omg

have to record it

idk how to use it

but i bet it has insane uses

basically the tech teleports u to the location of the uppercutted person

holy tech

[split spire]

I think this at low ping can actually do nasty stuff, the weird falling animation is playing for me here

[split spire]

what do u think @viscid kelp

its a combination click shift + jump + weapon swap + hold blue

its essentially -> Shift + flying tech

or flying tech with shift in it, i still dont know exactly what it is

[viscid kelp]

I mean idk the focus is insanely untrue and I don't see any purpose for it, especially not given that holding W achieves p much the same distance

Also reminder that infinite jumping is very difficult on low ms

[split spire]

untrue cuz my ping is giving the weird fall animation

[viscid kelp]

On 100 or so it's insanely free in comparison

[split spire]

without the fall animation i bet the focus is true

[viscid kelp]

Okay but why not just 211

Which is easier

[split spire]

cuz i cant

[viscid kelp]

and prob faster

[split spire]

cant 211

[viscid kelp]

Yeah but then it's pointless for low ms and untrue at high ms

[split spire]

weird fall animation still plays for 211

and i cant see a way to remove it

cuz there arent any allowed inputs in the uppercut of staff

unlike grapple bump which allows jump to be inputted

[split spire]

wouldnt say pointless it can prob give birth to some insane combos

u dont have to blue

u can lmb or somethin

[viscid kelp]

same goes for 211

Plenty of combos that use 211 just to access an lmb faster

W hold breaches any necessary distance

Also on the topic of 211

can't you just

lmb -> uppercut -> input sheathe -> jump + hold rmb

with staff

Instead of using a dodge for the double swap, just use a jump instead

Actually I guess nah I don't think you can jump after a swap

[split spire]

yeah u need to use an input that works under the uppercut

which doesnt exist aside from direct weapon swap

[ornate forge]

crazy lookin

[ornate forge]

w

[cyan falcon]

ive recently updated my internet and im now running 30ish ping

If only i could get it lower

[cyan falcon]

Can this be done on controller or nah

[split spire]

It’s already extremely difficult to pull off on PC

I think u definitely can but idk how hard it will be

[cyan falcon]

hm. I mean— I technically am pc i just use a controller.

I would have to relearn the entire game to use m and k tho

[split spire]

Worth xD

Before you get deeper into controller you need to change now

[cyan falcon]

i am already a thousand hours in.

[split spire]

It’s fine

That’s better than being a 5k hour controller Andy

Other 5k hour kbm players will feel like they are on steroids

[undone anchor]

i think that if you dodge sideways it should work maybe a bit better 🤔

[cinder thorn]

wait what's the point of this

[undone anchor]

releasing a focus attack after using an uppercut with staff; usually u use GS or PS to do it

it's to maximize the dmg

[cinder thorn]

yes but they're not doing that

and that's like a solid 2 seconds from being a true combo

being able to dash out of that seems useful as a mixup but idk why you wouldn't just commit to a true combo or swap to a weapon like gs or ps with a guaranteed punish

[undone anchor]

he was learning it 👍

speaking of learning, i discovered that we can now do this with spear 🤔 😆

also this 🤔

(bot is turned off cuz i cant consistently get the last grapple focus attack; the combo is full true tho)

[cinder thorn]

spear and valda being buffed at the same time is pretty funny

you can do the timed charge out of her f instead of a horisontal which is more damage though you don't really need it

what's its charged horisontal?

or was it not changed

[undone anchor]

yep, that was a charger horizontal at the end

the new one

[cinder thorn]

oh, what about the vertical then

that one looked more like the vertical but faster and with an extra swing

[undone anchor]

vertical does not connect as far as i am aware? not completely sure, since i got bad fps, but it looks like the windup animation is a bit too slow

maybe with insanely precise timing and grapple, or simply against people with worse fps / ms it works

[cinder thorn]

is it the same as pre-update then?

[undone anchor]

yep

[cinder thorn]

ah ok

[undone anchor]

they changed horizontal focus and the uppercut

[cinder thorn]

i guess the vertical will just rely on its high damage and range since its still slow

[undone anchor]

as an extender?

[undone anchor]

yep

exactly

[cinder thorn]

yeah

[undone anchor]

got a clip of it? i cant really figure it out by your description 😅

[cinder thorn]

at least before her f1 had enough stun to guarantee combo people into a level 2 charge from any weapon

i'll play tomorrow idk if the update's out for me

[undone anchor]

oh, i see what you mean now

it should still work

i totally forgot you could do it

yeah, it's a tod

@cinder thorn here you go 👍

aside from the last grapple combo, that i just did really bad, it's full true

[cinder thorn]

yeah that'll be fun to play around with

[undone anchor]

yeah

i'm trying to see if i can do smth with ult, but i get a weird interaction that i dont really knw how to control

[split spire]

Yeah the two second delay is caused by a bug that plays above 60 ms ping for no reason cuz the netcode is ass. If you are bellow 60ms this tech is full true for you.

[final escarp]

I finally got the first headshot on bow restand somewhat consistent. Any tips for 2nd tho? 😅

Also, is there some way to control that they won't land with their back to me?

[split spire]

@unkempt crane i was right u can do 3 JLMBs

the issue is LMB shift LMB into uppercut isnt true

its prob gonna be another soft true

[viscid kelp]

Do sliding lmb

[undone anchor]

U should be able to ACCA there 🤔

Or do a vertical horizontal toothpick

Should also work depending on fps

[viscid kelp]

I think this is the best combo for that jade that actually works on low ms

[viscid kelp]

The jade makes the uppercut insanely slow, double lmb doesn't work

in any variation

[undone anchor]

Ah, makes sense

Did we find anything that combos or extends the vertical focus jade btw? 🤔

[split spire]

u right damn

[undone anchor]

This is op 🤔

[viscid kelp]

You can combo the vertical 2.0 jade with the uppercut jade, but it's only like 1.6k dmg

"only"

[split spire]

easier version where u just use the same longsword carrousel double uppercut combo but ofc u can land 3 JLMBs

[viscid kelp]

Where'd LS and carousel come from now

[undone anchor]

so it aint worth 🤔

[viscid kelp]

Nope

This uppercut jade of fistblades allows 211

[undone anchor]

...

[viscid kelp]

So you'd do lmb, slide lmb, uppercut, 211 into rmb hold, tap dodge, release 2.0 rmb with jade

But it is just less dmg than the combo I sent, so hardly has any purpose

Unless you have no grapples or shit terrain

That being said, given that this fistblades uppercut jade allows 211, it should also allow other weapon swaps, so I'm p sure you can do stuff like lmb, slide lmb, uppercut, swap to gs, lmb, lmb with grapple cancel, bump, fistblades jlmb

Bit ugly to read but I'm too lazy to start the game for that

Dmg wise I don't know if that's worth, could be, could not be

[undone anchor]

and i imagine we cant extend that focus attack with anything noteworthy, right?

[viscid kelp]

Nope, it does hit a grounded target, but they get restood and can instantly dodge

[undone anchor]

rip

what i was trying to work on atm is a cancel on the spear horizontal focus after the grapple 🤔

cuz it seems like the first hit stands up the enemy, since the second one is horizontal 🤔

[silent mica]

Has anyone figured out any new combos with the new fistblade soujade?

[undone anchor]

a few

here an easy example

[silent mica]

Ty.

[silent mica]

Do you happen to know any combos i can do to confirm feria f2?

Throwing it out in neutral dont seem so great.

Lol.

[undone anchor]

remotely

i can try and see what i can find quickly 👍

[silent mica]

Thanks.

[undone anchor]

i tested a few

nothing is really true looks like

[rare tendon]

R servers emoty?

[undone anchor]

only one that you can do for sure is literally doing an uppercut and then using the f2; but it's totally not worth it

[undone anchor]

?

[rare tendon]

Mb wrong chat

[undone anchor]

ok

[silent mica]

So i just use it in neutral and hope then lmao?

[unkempt crane]

there are some combos with it

just the f input is annoying

[silent mica]

Thanks.

[unkempt crane]

you just wanted one with fistblades right?

[silent mica]

No in general.

[unkempt crane]

overall with alot weapons you can just do upercut into F or sommthing

[vital marsh]

anyone can help me out with dis sheit ? im not sure what im doing wrong

[split spire]

it is not true unless ur fps is giga high

[vital marsh]

damn ok i was going mad bc it doesnt feel true.. thanks tho ❤️

same with fistblades ?

[split spire]

no

fistblade has different combos

also spear is experimental rn, they will prob fix this in the coming patches

[vital marsh]

tyvm Nowras !

[dim abyss]

is it bad to use?

[undone anchor]

It's worth overall, depending on what you want to do with it 🤔

It covers some of the weaknesses that fistblades have

[final escarp]

How do I do toothpick into sliding uppercut on katana?

[undone anchor]

u cant

slide is slow

so there is not enough time after the first stagger

[final escarp]

oh, was that how heavenstep was removed?

[undone anchor]

nop

[final escarp]

I thought the height got lower

[undone anchor]

they delayed the moment you can actually grapple after a slide uppercut on heng and katana specifically

[final escarp]

So all combos with slide cV are kind of not realistic in normal fight?

[undone anchor]

depends on what combo specifically 🤔

[final escarp]

except lower ground and stunned enemies

I was thinking on h h slide cV grapple in the air and then try 2nd stage focus vertical

I can charge to about 1.5 with normal uppercut

[undone anchor]

on zai?

[final escarp]

katana

I was practicing with zai yes

but that shouldn't change anything?

[meager trail]

you can't do h h slide cV, they gonna dodge out

[final escarp]

Btw do you have any tips 2nd/3rd hs on bow restand? @meager trail

[meager trail]

i barely hit the 1st bow hs lmao

never good with ranged weaps

🥹

[final escarp]

thx though

[meager trail]

though from my experience in practice room, forward hold dodge make it easier than backward hold dodge

but it make you come closer to ur opponent

so if you miss the shots and unable to increase the distance they gonna light attack you

[still gazelle]

anyone got some sky punch (fistblades) or swift cut (katana) combos? i feel like sky punch is really only used to confirm cloud weaver and i can't seem to find anything that can be done with the swift cut jade

[viscid kelp]

@still gazelle

Confirming cloud weaver is actually less dmg than that combo, but it's ofc faster and less terrain dependent

Swift cut seems kinda boring combo wise

[still gazelle]

noted, thanks a lot!

[cinder thorn]

is there anything funny you can do with congeneric staff/spear with the new staff uppercut

i noticed you can attack out of it quite a lot earlier

[viscid kelp]

I mean nah not rly
Even ~100 fps is enough
On higher ping it just gets hard on the bot
But on players it still works fine, tested it with someone on fairly low fps and 80ms

Even if it doesn't work well on the bot on higher ping, players can't break out with soft combo breakers, so it's still technically true

[split spire]

I was using it against high fps players and they were breaking free from it

But when I used it against lower fps they couldn’t

And a small rubberband animation plays against some players

So it’s not completely refined rn

[wicked crescent]

is there a req for the grapple tech to work?

i keep doing it but it doesnt work

[unkempt crane]

the moment you hit him you cant press sommthing or you press cntr while hitting him

[wicked crescent]

do i need low ping high fps or something?

[elder wave]

@wicked crescentgot a clip of you trying to do it?

[wicked crescent]

sorry i just saw this, ill send a clip hold on

[wicked crescent]

finally got a clip under 10mb

sorry for the quality, discord did it bad

[elder wave]

@wicked crescentwait you're trying to pull off the basic grapple combo right?

[wicked crescent]

yea i cant do it

anything that needs grapple doesnt work for me

[elder wave]

is there a reason you aim for the opponent rather than the ground?

[wicked crescent]

i tried the ground, it doesnt work too

[wicked crescent]

just like this, the bot falls fast

[elder wave]

could you give me a clip of that too if it's not too much trouble? i have no experience with aiming for the opponent tbh

[wicked crescent]

alr

[elder wave]

i'ma log onto the game to make sure but if i had to guess i'd say your grapple bump connects way too late

not sure if you input the grapple too late or if it's actually related to the aim

[wicked crescent]

i tried many spots to hit the grapple at but this is the closest i got to hitting the dummy with the vertical slash

do i need high fps, low ping or something? @elder wave

[elder wave]

from what i understand the requirements for the basic grapple aren't very high

also i've just tried and i can land the combo even when i aim at the opponent so it's most likely a timing thing after all

[wicked crescent]

so its a skill issue 😭

well thanks for the help, ill try again later

[elder wave]

do you input the grapple immediatly after the uppercut inputs?

[elder wave]

@wicked crescentthe timings for longsword are notoriously tight and it looks like your character does a roll after the grapple bump as well
avoid directional input during the grapple or hold the A or S key

[elder wave]

wrong person and he actually did not roll in the first clip with the katana

[vital marsh]

oh sorry let me fix that

[vital marsh]

Ground one should be a lit bit more consistent, in this one seems you can cancel grapple a few ms earlier and also maybe release the blue, lower your specs are time windows goes down too imo (sorry for my shit english)

[vital marsh]

in this one i suppose you know that rolling is messing it up

[final escarp]

I feel like grappling the opponent gives me more time for my blue but hitting the ground just feels more comfortable bc you don't need to move the camera

on the ground grapple I have more error room for the grapple, on the opponent I have more error time for blue

[meager trail]

70 ping and up you can't do target grapple
while ground grapple still viable at ~100 ping

[final escarp]

I have 30 to 40 ping at most

fps and ping rly make it complicated

[meager trail]

yeah

[undone anchor]

75 to get it consistently 👍

[cinder thorn]

either hold a/d or let go of any input so you don't roll at the end of your grapple

your timing was there

[final escarp]

Why does combo dmg fluctuate? Like Normal Katana toothpick into uppercut, grapple, focus does one time 1430 and the other time 1419 dmg with gold weapon?

[undone anchor]

means that you didnt hit all the hits of the focus the last time

[final escarp]

I'm pretty certain I do

I think the bump after grapple deals different dmg depending how you bump into him

[viscid kelp]

First lmb

Attacks deal different amounts of dmg depending on standing, walking and running state

Your first lmb was in different states on each go, and thus dealt different amts of damage

[final escarp]

That's good to know, thank you!

[undone anchor]

[elder wave]

https://media.tenor.com/YuaZwKZxXgoAAAAM/write-that-down-taking-notes.gif

[wicked crescent]

how do i use the fist blade evade thing

[cinder thorn]

tap dodge while charging

[neon idol]

does ping really effect in game combat?

[naive plaza]

yes ping and fps are big factors

[undone anchor]

Yess

Ideally over 75 ms you are usually at a big disadvantage 🤔👍

[cinder thorn]

ideally

people still have to parry you sometimes seconds in advance to account for latency which gives a huge advantage until you get staggered once and can't escape it before dying

[wicked crescent]

still doesnt work, probably my trash ping or fps is making this harder

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Strike leveled up!

[undone anchor]

Send a clip of it 🤔👍👍

But yeah, for LS the ping should definitely be an issue here 🤔

It is a really tight window

Should work better on peopl

[neon idol]

crap.

no wonder i can't do combos

and die easy

[undone anchor]

pings isnt the sole problem for it 🤔

dying easy is a consequence of messing up generally

even at higher ping there is a series of comboes that you can manage

and i reckon takao manages to do grapple combos on 100 ms

[neon idol]

tried grapple combos in game

Everything is good until focus attack

[silent mica]

Do we have new staff/spear bnb yet or is it still the same as before?

ALso any heavy sword combos or do those weapons not have combos?

[undone anchor]

you can also do grapple combo with spear now

but not with staff

[silent mica]

That spear grapple bump combo is true?

[undone anchor]

they are used mostly in swap combos, but if you get an uppercut, as for any weapon, you can also get an air horizontal and air vertical

yep

[silent mica]

The bot dodge it when i do it.

Bot thing?

[undone anchor]

the bot is weird

on players is mostly true

[silent mica]

Aight so it should work on players then right?

I have 40 ping.

[undone anchor]

i say mostly, because depending on fps,... it's more or less precise

ping is fine

fps is the matter for combos 👍

but yeah, on player is way easier to hit compared to bots

[silent mica]

So if the bot has zero ping how do people find out if its true or not when making a combo?

1v1s?

[undone anchor]

people can hit that combo on the bot 🤔

it's not impossible

just precise

[silent mica]

Its allmost impossible it feels like.

xD.

[undone anchor]

nah, dw

[silent mica]

I lab for hours and still cant hit it because bot op.

[undone anchor]

the higher the fps, the easier to hit it is, same for any other combo 👍

[silent mica]

I think my fps is fine. 165.

[silent mica]

Do heavy weapons have combos or are they stricly neutral based weapons?

Like i dont really understand heavy weapons gameplay.

[meager trail]

watch some kelie vids

[undone anchor]

@silent mica

if you want high level heavy weapons combo i suggest watching dunking donuts; he is the master of the GS

also found a tarka infinite with it

[silent mica]

Ofc he did lmao.

Bros a menace.

[silent mica]

Do you know of any swap combos?

[undone anchor]

A lot

[oak cedar]

Is dual helbards the most solid weapon?

[undone anchor]

Every weapon is solid if you know how to use it 🤔

[silent mica]

Im asking for some...

🗿

[oak cedar]

well dual hel needs less skills?

I guess

[undone anchor]

The weapon that requires less skill is fistblades 👍👍

For DH to work well, you need to still understand neutral and hold checking

True, some people, especially at the beginning, struggle a lot in reading this weapon; but the same could be said about staff, which is ideally much more solid 🤔

(DH are still a great weapon tho)

[undone anchor]

I had figured; but sadly I'm omw to work, so I can't really help there ATM 😓

If it's aight with you I can send a few clips when I'm back

[silent mica]

No rush just dont forget me xD.

[undone anchor]

I won't 👍👍

[oak cedar]

dual weapons are so great af. thanks for the advice btw

[split spire]

staff is worse than Dualblades

[dim abyss]

some things the bot will dodge that players wont

[elder wave]

you can 211 into GS horizontal x2

[silent mica]

Ty.

[final escarp]

not certain but I think when uppercut grapple focus works it also works with swapping to greatsword focus vertical after grapple

like katana cV g swap gs focus V

[silent mica]

Ok thanks.

[final escarp]

[undone anchor]

this isnt 211, but yep, this is one of them 👍

this is another example also of combo you can do with the swap 👍

and those two togheter pretty much mark the baseline form of all swap combos for GS and PS 👍

@silent mica 👍

just do the same on any weapon and it works

u can also do the 1-2 after the grapple bump, but it's way harder

(these swaps with grapple work also for LS; and now they should also work for spear

the swap with the dash into 1-2 that they sent above works with staff aswell 👍 )

if you are fast enough, you can technically also get a full focus attack there

[silent mica]

That dosent look real.

[undone anchor]

wym?

you can do this with any weapon 👍

here an example with LS

nearly every weapon*