🔱┃weapons-combat

[covert eagle]

cross progression isnt supported

[undone anchor]

Epic all the way 👍

[final escarp]

Is there any way to confirm after hitting Zai F1?

[meager trail]

only if terrain allows you to
but you can do F into parry or F into light attack to start a combo (the initial F cast not the 2nd F which knocks enemy away)

[final escarp]

ty

[final escarp]

Does the shift input come before or after the weapon swap on the 211 combo?

[lone coyote]

is this thread can be considered as dash related?
question is, sometimes when i run(not walk) after dash i loose run state.
so i wonder why and when.. i,myself didnt catch the reason

[meager trail]

if you do a tap dodge your character will be put on walking state

[lone coyote]

wanna decrypt this.. sound ambitious.
i mean any combo is good thing,
bc players are eazy to predict charged atks

[final escarp]

that idea was based on a combo which I later found out was sadly outdated

@lone coyote got that idea from the last combo of this video but those combos don't work anymore

[lone coyote]

im trying to do.. double dash thing to speed-up moving.
i assume character get slow down when timing is wrong

[lone coyote]

i'll check this out then! ty

[final escarp]

if you get it to work, pls lmk

But I'm more of a new player myself, ask tabbie or Takao for advanced opinions

[lone coyote]

im rn trying to practice basics -:)
so thats why im avoiding character/wpn specific movesets

[meager trail]

you're kinda doing it the opposite of how it should be

if you're new to the game you should focus on knowledge/neutral/movement, not combos

combos are used to make the most out of the advantage you created
but if your game knowledge/neutral/movement are weak, you won't even get the advantage to even start a combo

[lone coyote]

sry my Baizepedia broke

(mine) QUOTE:
THIS thing doesnt work..
by that i mean, i clicked on it.
it seemt to appear, yet i dont see anything!
yet i hear it existance, also i cant input anything to game.
if press alt+F4 guide voice shuts, also input fixes.

yet guide no work.
on screen its on, yet unseenable

idk how, its just happen at certain point

looks like the window become 100% transparent

wow i just.. tap window from there: and moved it down.
so it appear.. huh

2d screen is top of 1st screen, where big red lobby button

my guess then, if u got smth similar is:
i think its screen resolution issue, i changed monitor. Previous one was 2k, now its FHD.
so it was smh related. prob

[undone anchor]

Learn how to focus cancel and glide cancel 👍👍

Way more useful

Double tap dodge is pretty useless because it consumes way too much stamina

[final escarp]

Might to be the best approach to learn but what helped enjoying the game was not necessarily mastering the combos but only knowing what's part of a true combo and what's not. I remember desperately trying to get out of a combo only for it to end when I didn't expect it and getting tech chased. Then I died and didn't rly know what even happend.

[undone anchor]

In this case it's just making their gaming experience way worse 🤔, so it's not much up to preference

Getting in a fight with no stamina is like trying to race a car while being on a tricycle 🤔

[craggy drum]

what is like the ideal fps ?

in practice i can get 200+ but in game it is very jumpy and goes around 95-150

depending on how many ppl there are

[viscid kelp]

Ideally you want around 300, but most people don't get that

Just go as high as you can

[craggy drum]

yeah my cpu seems to be a bottlneck

sadly

ill just put everything on low and hope for the best

[solar maple]

Me out here proud of my 60-90

I guess I need to upgrade lappy

[viscid kelp]

Be like that with Naraka, on lowest settings it's almost entirely CPU/RAM/SSD dependent
GPU hardly matters at all unless you crank up your settings

[craggy drum]

yeah i noticed i dont see a big difference in fps depending on the settings honestly

10-20 if i switch it to low vs highest

well i atleast have an excuess for not being a pro

[viscid kelp]

P sure Froztivus had like somewhere around 60-90% winrate when he was in SEA recently, while playing on like 90-120 frames

No excuses

[craggy drum]

URGH...

fine ill practice my usless katana combos some more

waiting for a day to keep a guy in air like they kept me

[naive plaza]

I’d kill for a consistent 100fps in this game at this point

4070TI S and it doesn’t even matter in naraka lmao

[final escarp]

Does being close to the server influence fps?

[undone anchor]

nop

only ms

fps is only determined by your computer

[craggy drum]

damn what is your cpu im runnin with 3080ti and have like 100ish

[naive plaza]

i7 12700k

i have over 100 but in trios fights ill drop to 60 sometimes lower in bane

[karmic fjord]

That is why AMD is better

[lusty cosmos]

both can be good options depending on what you get

[karmic fjord]

For price to performance AMD is better cuz you can get 7800x3d for around 360€ and it performs better than i9 14900k that cost around 600-700€ in gaming

[lusty cosmos]

[viscid kelp]

AMD atm is overall better yeah
For high end gaming, the 7800X3D is still in the sweet spot with regards to performance, wattage/temps and cost

The extra large cache of the X3D chips does wonders for lots of games

Intel also is having a pretty big issue with their 13000 and 14000 series chips being unstable due to manufacturing defects, and running at worse performance after a recent microcode update

Ryzen 9000 isn't looking too insane atm though, only through AGESA updates and with X3D variants will it become relevant I feel
I also heard Intel is planning to release chips with large cache in the future, so we might see a less clear result within the coming year

[wise coral]

This is breaking me fml lol. Ive got it right once and it was pure luck. It's a hold dodge not a tap dodge correct?

[viscid kelp]

I think it actually doesn't matter too much, but I do hold shift yeah

I don't tap it

[wise coral]

ok ok ty I’ll keep at it

I’ve got to be missing the timing somehow, the closest I get is mid air the staff will appear from my back and I have to bring it out first before charging

[mellow blaze]

Dont forget 1 thing, more ms you have like 120 ms for example the more you can combo. Literally having high fps and high ms is a advantage. But low ms can be better for dodges and sometimes parry. ( that's why changing servers should be blocked btw )

[karmic fjord]

I like this guy he knows

[naive plaza]

For this game sure, but I have no issues maining close to 300fps in any other games I play, (apex for example which is also a trios br with movement/abilities flying around). Naraka is horribly fucking optimized & they have completely neglected intel users with their optimization.

Maintaining*

[naive plaza]

That’s what Im picking up for my new build

[karmic fjord]

Not only for this game AMD is better cuz for example with 7800x3d you can get around 500-600 fps on naraka and around the same fps on other games like apex but on Valorant you can get around 800 fps

[karmic fjord]

If you can wait and get one of 9000 series with x3d that will be even better

[naive plaza]

If a decent spec intel PC like mine can’t maintain 100fps in a game, it’s the games fault.

On all low settings as well

[karmic fjord]

Nah it's Intels fault

[viscid kelp]

In the past intel was actually much better for Naraka interestingly
I do think Naraka has optimization issues, but mostly it seems like Naraka is a whore for CPU cache
Even a 5800X3D does insanely well on this game

There's a bunch of games that profit from large caches though

So it's not a Naraka exclusive issue

[naive plaza]

I have no desire for top of the line brand new parts, I just want something that will do what I need, and the 7800X3D will do that

[karmic fjord]

For gaming tho the 7800x3d is now the best cpu but with productivity you will need to get the 7900x3d or 7950x3d

[karmic fjord]

Yea but you have an intel mobo rn so if you want to upgrade to 7800x3d you would need to swap the entire mobo and the cpu cooler thing for the cpu it will take some time

[viscid kelp]

Btw Sky, I would assume you likely alr went the whole 9 yards of optimization, but make sure to have XMP, Resizable BAR and Above 4G decoding enabled in your BIOS settings
You can also increase the power limit for your CPU to allow it to boost more consistently, but that's if your cooling is adequate

[naive plaza]

I’m aware, that’s why I said new build.

[viscid kelp]

I know Rex with a 13900KF gets really quite good frames, like 250 ingame last time I saw him have his fps monitor enabled
I would think a 12700K shouldn't be as far behind as it is for you

[karmic fjord]

And I'm not sure how the 7800x3d performs in productivity if you need it but in short if you want only gaming performance 7800x3d is the best choice (for now) but in the future it will be 9800x3d but if you need productivity too then 7900x3d will be a good option or 9900x3d in the future I would recommend you to wait for the 9800x3d or 9900x3d cuz you already have a decent pc

[naive plaza]

I appreciate that you’re trying to be helpful, but I have no issues doing a new build and then flipping my intel build to make up some of the cost. I didn’t come to this decision lightly I’ve been playing naraka since before it was free to play, and I’m tired of suffering through how bad it is.

I’ve already part picked and priced things out according to my budget with the help of some of my tech nerd friends. I was simply venting frustration about the games optimization (or lack thereof).

[karmic fjord]

Oh mb I didn't know you will sell it and buy the new pc with the price of your old pc

If that is the case just make sure everything is good and gl with it

[latent sandal]

Anyone got some tips for greatsword/polesword? I tried doing what i search on youtube but seem to be having a hard time, and thinking that some of the old videos arent probably updated anymore

[viscid kelp]

Eraldos made good videos on those weapons

You can also watch DunkingDonuts, he's a streamer notorious for his greatsword Tarka playstyle

Overall, in my opinion, the most important aspect of those weapons is properly using the different types of stoneform to stay safe while forcing your opponent into gambits
Don't release and attack too much without purpose, being observant of what your opponent does is useful

[keen kernel]

hey guys

help

how do i get better at this game

its the best game online i ever saw

[undone anchor]

I would recommend checking out the guides pinned here in this channel, especially the one on hold checking 👍

Aside from that, we host a free weekly coaching session right in this very server, with the aim to help people get better at the game 👍

(you can find infos about this in #🏋┃dojo-coaching )

[craggy drum]

is there a combo guide for the new fist weapon

i cant seem to find any

[onyx loom]

🎉 | marash leveled up!
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[meager trail]

you sure you can't find anything with that keyword on youtube?

[craggy drum]

well i found one combo video and its only

one combo i thought there might be more

[viscid kelp]

Fistblades are quite boring
The most optimal combo is pinned in this channel as part of the all-basic-combos video

The only other thing to note is that the jump horizontal of fistblades has decent juggle properties, so you can juggle someone downhill with jump horizontals

[elfin trellis]

Fistblades are the best !

[thorn dome]

Im curious, because i know every Naraka weapon has different Parry Frames, which one hast the fastest to activate, or longest parryframe?

[meager trail]

they does?

[sly ore]

Nunchucks parry is as long as the Chinese wall

[undone anchor]

Fastest should be dagger I think? 🤔 Not sure

Heng sword has insanely long parry focus while standing after a parry 🤔👍

[thorn dome]

As i've heard it also depends on your FPS & Ping, but im kinda clueless, the only thing i found was this Article:
https://old.naraka.wiki/Combat

[undone anchor]

Ideally parry itself has always an activation time of 200 ms

Should not vary on FPS

Also true that some weapons feel faster when parrying, but that is mostly due to the speed of the light attack animation, or the stance swap

Ms and FPS affect the parry ideally because they shorten or lengthen the timespan ok between the parry input and the parry itself 🤔👍

The different kinds of parry are indeed slower or faster; composite being the fastest overall

But that slight difference you can mostly abuse after the dodge; aside from that consider every parry to be the same pretty much 🤔

[craggy drum]

what is ACCA >

[meager trail]

https://streamable.com/tlv63r

so what's the reason for this? 🤔

my ping too high?

enemy was a bot?

[naive plaza]

Attack, Crouch Cancel, Attack

[lusty cosmos]

High ping, dodge parry can still work if with a bit of delay like u saw

So the parry registered but so did the damage

[viscid kelp]

Melonsoju made a video on parry frames https://youtu.be/kWTu9HfytNE?si=1kgrdPe4-kUt_03B

Personal opinion: Because he tested parries in free training, where parry rules differ from real games, I think the numbers Melonsoju presents might not be 100% accurate. As in, if smth is 600ms in free training, it might not be 600ms in a real game. HOWEVER I think the relative values (which is longest, shortest parry) make sense

As Penemue said, really the most noticable thing is nunchuck parry window lasting for 20 decades

It often lasts longer than the red flash in front of you

On the topic of said red flash, I recommend watching this #🔱┃weapons-combat message

Framerate in Naraka affects animation speed, but I don't think it affects parries in a very significant way, other than lower input delay through higher framerate

[solar maple]

Can someone teach me how to tech chase a rat using storm stride,wave roll and phantom step

I keep missing or getting getting storm stride stun locked, and dealt a lot of damage from just chasing them

[nocturne mortar]

where can i get golden souljades from in matches ?

[final escarp]

pretty much everywhere, it's just low chance to get

normal loot boxes or buying souljades from shop

morus blessing and caves also have golden souljades sometimes

the later morus blessings definetly

[undone anchor]

Your best bet are green stashes 👍

[nocturne mortar]

Isn't green supposed to be lowest rarity?..

[crude current]

green is for souljades

blue is lowest

you do get other things from green stashes but they're mostly for souljades

[nocturne mortar]

What so every color represents a specific type of item rather than a rarity ? I thought green 2 star blue 3 star purple 4 and gold 5

[crude current]

There is no purple stash

They said stash like troves

Or chests

Whatever you call them

There are only blue green and gold

Blue is most common stash

Then it's green and gold

As for weapon rarity there is grey, blue, purple, gold, and red(only longsword in predoria). Same rarities for armor (red armor only appearing in holoroth). And same rarities for sj with red only appearing in spirit well or predoria

Also no one calls it "3 star" here that's not a thing here. This isn't genshin lol we straight up call it the colour

[stiff wagon]

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FIGHT AGAINST GREATSWORDS?

[rancid tartan]

You dont, you gotta use G man xd

[undone anchor]

Nop 👍, green is for jades

[nocturne mortar]

I mean if you play genshin, then it's easier to understand every other game if they explain in genshin language

[nocturne mortar]

What is blue and gold for ?

[nocturne mortar]

It's the easiest to counter, whenever you trigger the stonewall just jump and counter. I got cooked once with this technique

[undone anchor]

Blue is base rarity

Gold is higher chance of purple and gold gear

[nocturne mortar]

Only green is special ?

[undone anchor]

It's not that special

It's just the place where you mostly find jades

[final escarp]

Is there a list or guide on which weapon attacks won't fling the enemy out of my teammates combo?

For example Dual Halberd Vertical Focus keeps them in one place

Horizontal Focus flings them away

[undone anchor]

Nop

It's up to practice

If you do things well, I can follow-up infinitely nearly

(An example of what you ask is katana btw)

[final escarp]

you mean like you do a combo, I extend, you extend on my extension, etc?

[final escarp]

wdym with katana? do both focus leave them in place?

[undone anchor]

Yep

[undone anchor]

One is using light attacks, the other is releasing focus while they are staggered

U can keep enemies perma staggered if you coordinate well

[final escarp]

Gotcha, thank you

[undone anchor]

Np

[craggy drum]

Is there a video guide for crouch cancel or something

[viscid kelp]

When holding down c, you will enter crouched state
When in crouched state, tapping c will make you stand back up

You can do this quite quickly, and for some weapons such as katana and heng sword, if you do horizontal -> hold crouch -> tap crouch -> horizontal, you can still uppercut afterwards

Left click/right click are often abbreviated with A/B (I think mostly in CN). Thus the name, ACCA, for that motion

[meager trail]

actually it is special, you can only find consumables and jades on green stashes, never armor or weapon
so when you and your opponent spawned next to each other and there's one blue one green stash, go for the blue

[undone anchor]

Well, it's the only jade stash, that's what I meant

[craggy drum]

Thankss I'll try it in practice

So the point is to h1 twice not h than c.h

So that is why I've been struggling to stagger the bot with katana

[meager trail]

h1 twice is just for maximize the damages

cuz katana h1 have stagger duration long enough to allow you to do h > dodge > h > uppercut

but the combo above consume stamina

ACCA doesn't consume any stamina

[meager trail]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx75EDpShcecEGdyB2gsIX-yf9T_HZ21oR

[final escarp]

Do I tab dodge or hold dodge in a 211 combo?

[lusty cosmos]

Hold dodge

Here's a video tutorial if u need it https://youtu.be/LK0f7Cj5wCA?si=6ufkTOcjVUwblKRD

[final escarp]

thank you

[undone anchor]

when it's combos, its always hold dodge

[wise coral]

been working on this combo but its not there yet. At this point do I just need to synchronize dodge/wep swap better to start charging mid air quicker? It just feels like if i dodge any sooner mid air nothing happens. Im stuck Advice appreciated ty ty🙇‍♂️

[undone anchor]

timing looks correct; your ping is a bit high tho, this might be the issue

[wise coral]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-im-dead-inside-sesame-street-gif-13055032

I'm going to throw up if i cant learn this combo due to ping

[undone anchor]

low ping in naraka is important

over 65 combos get weird

that and high fps

[wise coral]

I get over 200fps in games and more I customs so I was hoping that would make up the difference I’m using gear up too

[undone anchor]

fps are good to have

but lower ping is needed too

[latent heath]

I might be cooked

[latent heath]

😢

[viscid kelp]

Doesn't matter
It relies on the fact that swapping weapons during a dodge cancels the dodge and allows you to instantly charge
Type of dodge doesn't matter
Here I do it with a tap dodge

Ignore random lag spike, I promise the tap dodge didn't cause it

[viscid kelp]

Hard but not impossible
Thing is, even if your swap is good and you start charging mid air, the bot might roll out before you can release, because free training bot is a little cheater

[wise coral]

YESSS okay okay so if I can be faster with correct timing it’s possible

[wise coral]

Was afraid I was wasting my time but this combo is much quicker than the basic one, I didn’t wana give up lol. Thanks Takao 🙇‍♂️

[nocturne mortar]

there are like some players that just make me fly and before i fall they grapple launch me in the air and keep me in the air, how do you do that uppercut and grapple ? when i uppercut im in the air too so i dont have enough time to grapple to the ground

[elfin trellis]

Unlucky fistblades dont have combos 😦

[lusty cosmos]

They have some combos and are already super broken even without them. People use blue fistblades over gold weapons for a reason. They can counter entire character kits on their own.

My go to combo on fistblade is H - CC - H - CV - V - JH - JH
On certain terains u can continue to use JH

[crude current]

You stare at the ground when you're using the uppercut and cancel the animation with a grapple

It's the most basic combo

[nocturne mortar]

so i repeat this and keep the enemy in the air ?

okay thanks

[crude current]

Well

Not exactly

That's called hellstep (grappling them while they're in the air is heavenstep)

And that is very hard to do and required high fps and low ping

And you can't just grapple you have to slide uppercut after you bump into them

For us normal peeps that can't do that yet or ever

We can either just do a 1.0 focus or do a 2nd normal uppercut and do a few jump horizontals in the air

Btw all this only applies to katana/heng sword

Some other weapons can technically do a grapple after an uppercut but harder to do

Like staff

The others can't do it all (afaik, I'm not the most skilled person by a long shot)

[viscid kelp]

Weapon based infinites are essentially dead

Heavenstep, hellstep, fan infinite all gone

[crude current]

They are still possible but only for a short time. They're just not infinites anymore

Right?

[viscid kelp]

Fan can't really get a good second bump, grappling after slide uppercut (which is essential to any katana infinite) is not viable either anymore

So at best you get 2 grapple bumps and no good follow up to that

[solar maple]

Is the heng sword horizontal charge into horizontal always true?

[undone anchor]

soft true if the enemy has low enough ping

[craggy drum]

how does teh fistblad dashing charge work

im kinda confused do i just dash while charging or what

[meager trail]

hold down the mouse button then dash

[meager trail]

it never was

[undone anchor]

it got patched to be 🤔

[craggy drum]

well does it have timing for when u can dash tho

[undone anchor]

it didnt really work

[undone anchor]

not really

the only thing to know is that you have to tap dodge

if you hold dodge u cancel the focus charge

and can do a normal attack

[craggy drum]

aha

iv been doing hold dodges

so i was confused why it didnt work

[undone anchor]

👍

[meager trail]

wdym

you can't confirm anything after the lunge hit, since day one

[undone anchor]

there was a specific patch where they said "augmented horizontal focus stagger in order to permit a followup"

smth like that

i'm looking for it

ah found it

"4. Slightly reduced the startup frames of follow-up horizontal strikes launched after Straight Lunge or Lethal Jab."

[meager trail]

yeah so they buffed the speed of the horizontal attack after Straight Lunge or Lethal Jab but it doesn't make the attack chain true

[undone anchor]

i wrote soft true, didnt i?

it's true as long as you have 20 ms more than the enemy

[viscid kelp]

It's never been true, never will be
There was a short period after the buff where the free training bot didn't dodge it, but even then actual players could use abilities. Just another case of free training bot being useless
If you don't make any input mistakes and both players have alright ping, you can often dodge it
But yes if anyone has higher ping, it can turn soft true

Idk why they buffed it to begin with

[azure perch]

can someone help me im trying to figure out how to do the move deemo be doing

https://youtu.be/_3KO8J-jrpc?t=350

how do he bluue focus strike while in mid air

[final escarp]

not sure but perhaps it was a combination with sky walk

[elfin trellis]

Why blue over gold ?

[solar maple]

What someone was doing that to me in a match tho

[dim abyss]

Easy

You scale rush into air > Hold shift to do a hold dodge > with perfect timing start holding focus

You can do this twice in a row (if i remember correctly) before having to do an air walk to refresh it, and then you can do 2 more focus holds out of the air walk

it all needs to be done with perfect timing because there is a restricted timeframe for all of these moves

you simply need to do it many times to get a feel for it

and after that it's effortless and free flowing

[daring remnant]

Anyone know why, after doing scale rush, sometimes I can dodge mid air, but sometimes I can't?

The only way I can ensure a dodge after scale rush is doing a air horizontal strike, but more often than not, by the time the air horizontal strike finished, my character is already on the ground, making it all pointless

[azure perch]

Is it possible on controller with a lot of practice

[dim abyss]

it is possible on controller

it's just a matter of timing and muscle memory

[azure perch]

Marko you on controller?

[dim abyss]

keyboard mouse

[azure perch]

Aw 😭 I can’t find no controller players

Game must be better on kbm

[dim abyss]

most games are better on kbm

[azure perch]

Can I do everything kbm can do on controller

[dim abyss]

not everything

you can't aim with a controller like you can with a mouse

but you probably know that already

[azure perch]

Glad I don’t pick up guns

[lusty cosmos]

That's how strong the weapon is. I'm saying players will choose to use blue fistblades over another weapon even if it's gold

[viscid kelp]

Timing

When to dodge can feel different depending on weapon, but as long as you time the dodge input correctly, it'll go through

Generally I recommend looking at #🔱┃weapons-combat message
Includes a movement guide

[viscid kelp]

Because the window to react between the hits is short and most people fail to do so

[solar maple]

Do you blue armor, tap dodge or hold dodge?

Is it possible at 70-90ping

[viscid kelp]

Ideally use an ability with focus armor
If you don't have anything up, tap dodge

But on that ping dodging might be rough

Abilities should work tho

Never hold focus, that doesn't even work on low ping

Often times ppl get hit by heng lmb focus while holding focus themselves
Because they fail to react, they continue holding their focus while spamming dodge
The issue is, when being staggered, if you hold focus and spam dodge, the focus hold will take precedence

1st is just spamming dodge
2nd is holding focus and spamming dodge

That focus hold can delay your dodge, which makes it more likely to get caught

This is why input discipline is important, and a common cause of why ppl get hit by the lmb focus into lmb

[solar maple]

Big brained

thank you so much for the detailed explanation

[undone anchor]

the air walk or the double dash in the air?

[elfin trellis]

Ahh I get it now

[azure perch]

The air walk

It’s like he do both

He air walks the dashes into a blue strike in mid air

But I think I just need to improve to learn it

[undone anchor]

i can send you a tutorial for both in a minute 👍

[final escarp]

what does CC stand for?

[lusty cosmos]

Hold crouch - tap crouch. It is a way to cancel your animation between attacks so you can do h1 twice

Hold dodge can work as well

But CC uses no stamina

[undone anchor]

also stands for crowd control 👍

[final escarp]

thank you

yeah, crowd control is what I'm used to - leading to my confusion

[lusty cosmos]

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't know what else to notate it with

[final escarp]

no no, it totally makes sense in naraka context.

If you want to write it differently, how about ACCA or toothpick?

[viscid kelp]

H - CC - H is essentially just ACCA

Just diff notation

[solar maple]

I have a random question about fist blades.
How does one get out of a crouch horizontal infinite?

I can’t dodge I can’t blue armor out of it just get killed.. more so when pinned against a wall

More so when the wall has a slight upward slope

[undone anchor]

Crouch horizontal spam is soft true; you can dodge out of it pretty easily

Unless you have smth like 200 ms 👍

This chain also got nerfed recently (crouch horizontal specifically) to make it easier to dodge out of it 👍

Since all attacks done with fistblades had too much stagger, nearly all of them got nerfed 👍

[viscid kelp]

By definition soft true means you can't dodge

It's either or

[undone anchor]

?

does it not mean that it's a false connect that you can normally dodge out, but it can cause problems?

[viscid kelp]

True is used to refer to combos that can only be escaped with combo breaking abilities
Soft true is used to describe the cases where dodging never works, but using abilities with focus state does (even if they're not combo breaking abilities)

If you can dodge it's just untrue

and if you can sometimes dodge it's just fuckery

DB/DH toothpick into uppercut for example is soft true, because no matter your fps or ping, you will never ever dodge it
However on normal fps/ping ranges, you will always be able to use an ability with focus state

Staff toothpick into uppercut is untrue because for normal ping ranges you can always dodge out of it

Dagger lmb, clmb, rmb is a bit of a mixed story because especially on lower ping it can occasionally be dodged, but also sometimes can't be

[undone anchor]

i see

mb, i misunderstood the concept when i learned it 😅

[weak remnant]

any mode recommended to level up weapons fast?

[humble wagon]

PVE

[weak remnant]

mode?

[humble wagon]

Any mode in PVE level up weapons fast

[weak remnant]

like yama!

and bot mode?

[humble wagon]

I'm not sure about the mode name in English

[humble wagon]

Yes

[humble wagon]

Yes

[weak remnant]

thanks for the reply

[humble wagon]

Only play the weapon more can level up fast

And yama mode can let you use it as crazy much

[weak remnant]

lke if hit ma fatigue?

*max

[craggy drum]

so is there a guide for that "air walking"

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9uYiNpNPY&t=88s

here you go

[craggy drum]

thankss

[undone anchor]

np

[haughty mesa]

how do I play 1v1 with friends?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | tig fat bitties (jajo) leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[undone anchor]

You have to create a custom room 🤔👍

You can do that only if you have the upgraded version of the game

(go into the lobby, select "room" in the top right, then customize it as you need it 👍)

[haughty mesa]

tysm, will try

[undone anchor]

np

[unique stone]

whats the best way to use polesword?

[dim abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp2o5EeT4Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZwZDl5-GXE

all you need

warning: you might start exclusively using it

[craggy drum]

How do u do the stone dash thingy

[white olive]

Dodge after being put into stone form

[obtuse otter]

Is c.H c.V still true on fistblades?

[undone anchor]

yes

wait, no

sry, i read H c.V.

c.H. has less stagger now

[silent mica]

For the katana and heng sword combo when i do the blue focus the bot always dodges of it. Are those combos even true?

I have a weird bug where they dodge the focus attack.

[meager trail]

they are true

if the bot dodged out of it then you did something wrong

or your FPS is too low/ping too high

[silent mica]

I am doing exactly what the video is.

Im on 165 fps 30 ping.

Doing exactly what the vid is.

[meager trail]

not fps or ping problem then

[meager trail]

no you are not

the video only shows you the steps

the actual inputs needs some works

you need to grapple as soon as your uppercut hit, and your grapple position need to be right

and pre-input the blue charge from there

[silent mica]

🫡

Bet. Ty.

Damn no youre welcome. Must a matari main.

😔

[lusty cosmos]

[silent mica]

You know how in the katana combo pinned they do H H? In between they crouch cancel really fast. I’m struggling with that part. Any tips?

[lusty cosmos]

You need to hold crouch then tap crouch to do the crouch cancel

[undone anchor]

It's all a matter of finding the right timing 👍👍

An alternative could be to hold dodge in between attacks

[inner sparrow]

What am i doing wrong ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReDWjg7JitA

[undone anchor]

Your grapple is way too late

You want to preinput that during the start of the uppercut animation

Your goal is to not let go of the ground

If you see at the beginning here (sry, I don't have a clip of only a grapple combo on the train) , you see how I nearly don't leave the ground with my uppercut; this is what you want to aaim for

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266684295599099955/1268843648066519050/Naraka_2024-08-02_10-11-16.mp4?ex=66d5733b&is=66d421bb&hm=54c8ac2e7bdbccdaad8d9923bfc766a70b1cf103aab19809c2546c71c8ab16c1&

[inner sparrow]

Thank you very much , I input as soona s upercut hit , so i have to input before uppercut hit i guess

[undone anchor]

Nop

For katana, as you see, the uppercut starts with you putting your hand on the hilt, to draw the sword, right?

Consider that the exact moment when you want to release your grapple input

The uppercut animation has to have started already 👍👍, that is the earliest you can

[inner sparrow]

hmmmm ok i will try

[undone anchor]

👍

Try to accelerate bit by bit, until you can do it the fastest possible; play around with timings

[inner sparrow]

thanks alot , i can do jump uppercut combo fine so this shoudl work

[undone anchor]

👍👍👍

If you need further help, don't hesitate to ask

[silent mica]

@lusty cosmos @undone anchor Thanks im starting to get it down pretty easy now.

[undone anchor]

Good 👍👍

Well played

[silent mica]

The only part im struggling with now is landing the blue to end.

[silent mica]

Oh nah.

Can i do this with f2 shayol or nah?

[undone anchor]

Send a clip, we'll see what we can work on 👍👍

[undone anchor]

You cant

[silent mica]

Do you happen to know any shayol bombos?

[undone anchor]

U can do smth similar with Lyam f2

[undone anchor]

I knew them; now f2 juggle is slightly nerfed, so I would recommend using it to start a combo instead 🤔🤔

Also V2 works as a combo starter

[inner sparrow]

tHANKS YOU ROCK

[silent mica]

WHen im doing the graple bumb should i aim it far behind them or right beneath them?

[undone anchor]

Center/ end of the gray circle under them

[inner sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZyD-RWpRjU

SUCCESS!!

thanks a lot man

first time success , it have to show the lock on icon as soon as uppercutted

not consistant yet , manage to hit 3 times after that

[undone anchor]

well played!!!

[inner sparrow]

Thanks a lot for the gudience , i got to solar but i am getting parried left and right .
If i tried to totally don't use focus , i got staggered hard

how they are doing parries so consistantly . i can parry fine against bots.

even i stab from behind i got parried

[silent mica]

where would i find shayol combos at?

[undone anchor]

youtube most likely

but they are mostly outdated, since shayol f2 combos got destroyed by the netcode update

consider her as a normal character with base combos

[silent mica]

Any polesword combos?

[daring remnant]

Low ping make most of the difference, also try stop using lock on, that way you can basically parry from any angle as long as you are able to react

[inner sparrow]

try stop using lockon? means no melee auto aim?

[final escarp]

lock on and auto melee aim are two different things iirc

lock on you do actively

melee aim assist is a passive thing

@inner sparrow

[inner sparrow]

Oh the one that you need to press a key to lock on to enemy? Does player really use it? I don't use that one.

[spiral cipher]

any news for a new congeneric combo

?

[elder wave]

I've recently learned the 211 combo and came across this short today
https://youtube.com/shorts/05SBcv_zZFM?feature=shared
From what I've gathered in the comments, this is supposedly a 211 variant. Though, I'm not sure how exactly to get it to work with uppercuts. Does anyone know?

[undone anchor]

that first part with the continuos slide uppercuts aint doable anymore

just in case

the rest is just a matter of timing the dodge correct

works best with staff; you uppercut, dash and swap and hit with a charged / horizontal vertical

[elder wave]

@undone anchor Thanks for the reply. Though, the combo in the short was performed with Kylin (meaning this would have to be quite recent), so I'd daresay it's still possible. Also, from what I understand and given the context (title, what the guy says at the end of the clip and the replies in the comments), I believe this to be an alternative to Heaven Step and/or extended grapple uppercut combos in general, which were patched out a while back.

[undone anchor]

nop

slide uppercut only juggle requires a lot of fps already, but since the juggle lowers continuosly technically you can only do 2

3 if you got insanely high fps

[elder wave]

Aren't Tarka infinites still a thing? If so, multiple slide uppercuts should still be possible, no?

[undone anchor]

@viscid kelp might correct me on that 🤔

[undone anchor]

tarka infinite is possible because the tarka ult allows to cut animations in half

and speeds them up

plus it makes them bigger (higher katana juggle)

[elder wave]

Well, in this case you bypass the initial uppercut recovery time with the 211 concept to dash earlier than usual.

that's how you get the blue focus to land in a regular 211, in the first place.

I just don't know how to get a slide uppercut off sheathe/swap

[undone anchor]

nvm, i saw the combo wrong

this one is very possible

just insanely precise

mb on that

for the slide uppercut out of sheathe / swap you just need to cut the dash as short as you can

hold your directional key after the dash back and it works

(it's a tight timing)

[elder wave]

So, the inputs after the initial uppercut seem to be sheathe/swap, dash, crouch + unsheather/swap + vertical, right?

I don't get the crouch to register, at all, though.

[undone anchor]

try doing it slightly later

(if you got a clip we can try and analyze that togheter)

[elder wave]

like the unsheathe/swap has to be almost instant after the dash or you'll dash too far you'll screw up the timing

[undone anchor]

i think you can buffer that input; not sure tho

lemme try

[elder wave]

I need more details on the timing, to be honest. Like, at which point of the animation approximately do I input the crouch?

[undone anchor]

i am trying to learn the combo with you here, since i never saw it before

normally you dont time it on the animation, but it's a timing outside it

as soon as i get it ill come back with as many hints as i can 👍

[elder wave]

Okay, thanks a lot, mate. I appreciate the effort. ❤️

[undone anchor]

np 👍

i love learning new combos, and this one specifically sounds really hard to learn

ty for sharing

[elder wave]

Haha, same here. Glad there are fellow combo fanatics on here. 😂

[undone anchor]

😆

never really took my time to learn 211, i guess it's time 😆

it's just uncomfortable as for buttons position 😆

[elder wave]

I mean, you can always just change the keybinds to your likings. 😉

211 is really useful too, now that anything involving grapple pretty much guarantees green focus for your opponent.

[undone anchor]

yepyep

i always mostly focused on juggles 😆

now i finally got a reason to learn 211 aswell

[inner sparrow]

Green Focus doesn't exist in Ranked right?

[onyx loom]

🎉 | v3ss0n leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[meager trail]

it doesn't

[inner sparrow]

I think they will introduce sometime soon

[meager trail]

lol

they said that they do have a plan to implementing it into ranked from day 1

till now still nothing

[inner sparrow]

Coz pros rejected. I think it started in QM around Feb?

[inner sparrow]

Gonna try soon too

[inner sparrow]

What do you think about think green focus? is it a balanced machanic?
Thoughts : One Neutral making life or death decision between two pros' hand is a bit too much.
But: Even on naraka competation , there are rare case of pros who could execute full TOD combos .

so i think its fine as it is?

[meager trail]

it should be added into solo

and solo only

TOD combo is a mistake

[inner sparrow]

Yeah at solo game mode TOD is possible.

[viscid kelp]

Green focus is a bandaid that doesn't achieve much and is balanced around inherently flawed mechanics

I am 99% sure it'll never go to ranked/IW because by now the devs have nerfed combos into the ground in other ways

[viscid kelp]

Should be doable still
What Treygo is doing is akin to the universal infinite that usually requires 2 katanas with different skin/rarity or katana+heng, but instead using sheathe

[inner sparrow]

Yeah , these days i dont get hit even by graple bumnp combo much

[viscid kelp]

It's not a 211 because you don't cancel the dodge with a swap, you wanna keep the hold dodge going, swap, slide uppercut

[undone anchor]

i see

[viscid kelp]

follows the same idea as this

Just with sheathing, but it's p obnoxious input wise

[solar maple]

What are the current best katana combos and greatsword combos if any

Btw thank you for a bit of your wisdom and a moment of your time

[inner sparrow]

My Favorite and easy to execute is ACCA->U->JHx2->Slam

consistant and can Pull off in game

but 850 dmg

i still can't pull off basic grapplebump consistantly

[elder wave]

so after the dash you complete the uppercut inputs first before unsheathing/swapping?

[solar maple]

That so weak tho.

could just do two JH

[inner sparrow]

yea 2 JH i meant

[undone anchor]

you swap at the top of the uppercut, right?

[inner sparrow]

stronger is spear , with spear it does 1158 dmg

[viscid kelp]

Yes, that's the point of the weapon swap

If this is the motion of a slide uppercut, without a weapon swap, you can dodge roughly on the red line

[solar maple]

Yeah no ew. Only katana or gs combos please

[viscid kelp]

With weapon swap you can dodge roughly here

2 katanas with different skin/rarity are considered different weapons, which allows the second case

Same rarity+skin is considered the same weapon somehow and will not allow an early dodge

Sheathing gives you the faster dodge window because it's also considered a weapon swap, but ofc you need to swap back to the same katana/heng during the hold dodge without cancelling it

Which is not an easy timing

[viscid kelp]

You have to have a katana/heng in hand while performing the uppercut input

Otherwise, when sheathing in particular, you will just do a fist slap

You also have to be careful not to input the uppercut while still mid-air, or you might slam onto the ground

[elder wave]

then what would the timing/order of inputs be if i wanted to achieve what the treygo guy demonstrated?

[viscid kelp]

For what Treygo did it's slide uppercut->sheathe->hold dodge->swap->slide uppercut
With 2 katanas of different rarity/skin it's just slide uppercut->swap->slide uppercut

[elder wave]

how do you get a slide off the unsheathe though?

the unsheathe/swap kills the dash momentum, no?

[viscid kelp]

That's the tough part, you have to swap the moment you go from hold dodging state into sprinting/sliding state

If you swap during the hold dodge state you will have your momentum killed yes

[elder wave]

Damn, that sounds tough indeed.

[viscid kelp]

Ignore that this clip stems from a time where heavenstep was still a thing
It follows the same idea as what I did at the very beginning, just with slide uppercuts rather than a standing one

[elder wave]

Well, thanks for your input, boss. ❤️

[viscid kelp]

Also my overlay bugged, ignore the T input

[elder wave]

Mkay.

[viscid kelp]

No problem, good luck with it

[inner sparrow]

Damn tha tlooks so hard

[elder wave]

Haha, thanks. I'll need it.

[viscid kelp]

From the video it seems input wise I press C before the swap back to katana

which is to say that I enter sliding state, swap, instantly rmb to slide uppercut

I may just have chicken brain but to me it feels like it's all almost at the same time

Good thing I have an input overlay to tell me what I'm actually pressing

[inner sparrow]

hahah

[inner sparrow]

I do better with Takeda V2 , I am suck with Takeda v3 , any tips? (Trio)

the ulti pushes enemy away and next hit usually miss

on v3

[meager trail]

which is why trios takeda usually use fan

[inner sparrow]

i see , with fan its quite ok

but i like hengsword and spear

usually i do ulti and spear , but spear dragonslayer can miss

[meager trail]

you can send out furen at any moment

so you can actually dragonslayer first then furen after, but before dragonslayer touched the target

[inner sparrow]

i always get parried when dragonslayer first

[meager trail]

dragonslayer release > furen out > dragon slayer hits the target

well it require strict timing yes

[inner sparrow]

yeahh

thats why i release furen first , and then it can miss at spear edge

[meager trail]

just more practice honestly

[inner sparrow]

mode stamina vs long grapple which glyph path better?

[meager trail]

https://youtu.be/wFiJXKK7Ugk

6% stamina recovery is sht

[inner sparrow]

How about free roll? it should be avoided to roll at all right

Wow literally shit

hahahah

thanks i will just drop it

[meager trail]

free roll is actually good if you can make use of it

for some heroes it's actually really good to have, for example kurumi or viper v1/v2

[inner sparrow]

Yeah avoiding Kylin ulti too

that needs free roll

[undone anchor]

Tap dodge works just fine

The roll gets caught by the Kylin ult

[sly ore]

as others said the wave roll is nice to have on some characters, especially if it's important to travel a longer distance in protected frames or heal over time

for example, kurumi can roll in her circle and/or while tethered and heal more HP before she can get hit again

viper can roll to extend the reach of her ult at no extra stamina cost

feria can roll to her mech if she placed it on another enemy but is then caught a bit away from it

overall i'd say it's not wrong to play the bottom green tree, but the motivation needs to be primarily wave roll, not that 6% reduction

the general advice is: grappling distance is better most of the time and for most people

[inner sparrow]

Thanks a lot for the advices!!

[inner sparrow]

Penemue your gudes are so good , are you making new guides soon? Everyone need to watch your basic guides

[sly ore]

i am working on some guides currently

unfortunately there is a limit to how much time i can commit to making guides, since i work full time and my job requires me to work overtime

and it's scrim season with the shadowjade cup coming up, i want to stay up to date with the game and compete, both because it's really fun and because i want to make sure the things i talk about in my guides actually work in practice

classic hen and egg problem with content creation, it needs to be financially sustainable before i can do more of it, but i need to do more of it before it becomes financially sustainable lmao

the partner program helps, but i still need to work a lot irl

[undone anchor]

i learned it!!!!

[elder wave]

@undone anchorgoddamn congrats man

i'm nowhere close to that the slide uppercut timing is wayy too awkward for me XD

oh i just realized you went for the swap approach

do you think you can pull off the sheath variant as well?

[undone anchor]

lemme try

it's a bit weird 🤔

not really a fan of it

[elder wave]

yeah as takao has already pointed out it's pretty obnoxious inputwise

but to be fair it allows you to use your secondary weapon slot for an entirely different weapon type

which in turn enables pretty cool swap combos

[undone anchor]

I MEAN

wops, didnt see the caps

i mean, you could use the inventory swap aswell technically 🤔 👍

so, not really a need to have a specific weapon somewhere

[elder wave]

i'ma just out myself as a noob here and say that i didn't even know iventory swap was a thing 😂

so how exactly does that work?

[lusty cosmos]

Hold 1 or 2 and scroll, it lets you swap from your bag

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrON5hzVTe8

here is an example on swaps

[elder wave]

https://media.tenor.com/atphq7tHvZwAAAAM/a-whole-new-world-aladdin.gif

@lusty cosmosthanks man XD

though that sounds even more awkward than just using sheath

[undone anchor]

Keywise it's more comfortable 🤔👍

😂

[lusty cosmos]

I don't like to do either tbh

[elder wave]

@undone anchori mean i just bound my sheathe to one of my extra mouse buttons which is more comfortable than 1/2 + mouse wheel to me

@lusty cosmosyeah i'm with you XD

[undone anchor]

Fair

[lusty cosmos]

Just fyi, I host a free coaching event weekly for NA/EU. Signups are open for saturday #🏋┃dojo-coaching message

[elder wave]

damn dunno if i can make it saturday but i might sign up
still kinda green behind the ears after all

learned a few combos here and there but definitely still need to learn a lot in terms of general combat

[lusty cosmos]

It's fine if u can't make it. But pick up the dojo role so u get notified whenever signups open each week if ur interested

[elder wave]

@lusty cosmosaye aye captain

[obtuse schooner]

hey yall, I'm new and have no idea if it's me or the videos are old but I can't do H cV V H on nunchucks, the bot always rolls the last H

[naive plaza]

Iirc the ideal nunchucks combo is: H, hold dodge, H, cV, JH, standing V, V with the last vertical being soft true

I’ve never tried the combo you listed so I can’t speak myself on if it’s true or not, I don’t play nunnies much and pretty much just stick to this combo above ^

[obtuse schooner]

thank you

[naive plaza]

https://youtu.be/GJuBjk4ubFk?si=kj718oHH_Q4bqfNN

Most of these combos are up to date but it doesn’t include fistblades

Its basic combos too so it doesn’t have things like heavenstep/sliding uppercut things which have been changed or removed recently

Good place to start if you’re new

[obtuse schooner]

tysm

[obtuse schooner]

yeah idk, the last v never hits

nvm

i didn't know how important H - HD - H was

I play a lot of fighting games and learn combos piece by piece but guess not in this game

nvm, idk how I landed it twice

lmao

[meager trail]

Need to attack as soon as ur feet touched the ground

[obtuse schooner]

I see, I was waiting till they dropped. ty

nvm I guess im just bad

do you hold w when doing the combo?

this makes the grapple combos feel easy

[undone anchor]

Nop

Holding w in grapple combos can mess up your position and bump

Normally you can hold a or d to avoid rolling, but best would be not to press any directional buttons 👍

[naive plaza]

When something is soft true it won’t land on the bot but it can/does often land on real players

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Skynyx leveled up!

[undone anchor]

what input are we talking about? 🤔

[naive plaza]

the final vertical in the basic nunny combo

is soft true

the first standing vertical after the aerial horizontal is true the 2nd is soft

i hit the 2nd vertical against most players in real games but not in the bot in free training lol

[undone anchor]

yepyep

it technically can connect on the bot aswell 👍

just need high enough fps

[viscid kelp]

When you haven't yet charged to the point where you'd release a focus, you can let go off whichever key you're holding and press the other one to "scissor parry"
I.e. hold lmb, let go of lmb before the first 'ding', press rmb quickly

If you're past the first 'ding', you need to crouch, jump or dodge parry
Crouch parry is the fastest in that case

[white bane]

Im sorry im new but what exactly is a scissors parry does it also glow red as the normal quick parry and its variants?

[dim abyss]

Hold one attack, before 1.0 timing you must release it and at the same time press the opposite attack

your composite parry setting must be ON

[undone anchor]

@wise coral offensive message spotted

[dim abyss]

who

[cyan falcon]

any tips for the Katana float combo? I used to be able to do it consistently before the lift changes. Ive also recently began using attack from stick direction over camera.

[wise coral]

That was at 6 am 😂

[undone anchor]

🤷🏻‍♂️

I am working since 6 am 😭😂😂

I wrote as soon as I noticed 😂

[wise coral]

Thank you kindly ❤️

[undone anchor]

Which float are you referring to?

[undone anchor]

[cyan falcon]

Hori-> ACCA-Hori->Upper cut. Hori->hori-> blue

I can maybe find a video

[undone anchor]

The carousel with katana, gotcha 🤔👍

It's way harder now, and also way less consistent

Try messing around with when you start pressing w in the combo (going forward); it depends a lot on where you are attacking the enemy from and your FPS/ms

[cyan falcon]

O. I c

Typically i get about 170-200ish frames depending on what i put my settings at. Also i get about 50~54 ms usually

Is that also the case with longsword Carousel? I also assume thats why i havent been as consistent with Katanas “TOD” if its still even considered that.

[undone anchor]

Carousel has the same problem yeah 👍

But high FPS should be easy, so it's just a matter of getting the forward timing

[cyan falcon]

Oki will just keep practicing

[undone anchor]

U got this! I believe in you 👍👍👍

[lusty cosmos]

It's easier to do after sliding uppercut but i don't think it's true after acca. Also against a wall

[viscid kelp]

Floats got worse, so it got much harder
I think it's only really doable with standing uppercut if you catch the enemy in their back in a specific way

[cyan falcon]

[undone anchor]

Yep, for sliding uppercut no ACCA nor h dash h sadly

[cyan falcon]

Basically how i feel after being relatively new to this game and trying to learn all these cool combos just for them to make them either not work— or ridiculously difficult.

[viscid kelp]

[undone anchor]

😆

glad to see someone else is like me 😆

[rotund blade]

successfully pulled combo in free training

back to button mashing in actual match

[inner sparrow]

Oh that's what I am missing on parries.

[inner sparrow]

Scissor parry needs composite parry? I disable it. Is it better than parry button?

[inner sparrow]

So after first ding I try to parry mostly and got screwed

[viscid kelp]

Yeah, scissor parrying requires composite parry to be enabled
Composite parry is only better than the parry button in 2 very specific instances, but those are rather rare. I covered that in my [rundown on core combat mechanics](#🔱┃weapons-combat message)

[viscid kelp]

Yep, won't work beyond the first 'ding' without first cancelling the focus hold through the mentioned methods
Using parry button is convenient for that, because it does the fastest cancel at (almost) any given point for you, eliminating the possibility for sloppy/bad inputs by the player

[inner sparrow]

Wow thanks a lot.Then most info saying composite and quick parries are same now these days is false then .

That's why dodge parries aren't working well for me too

[viscid kelp]

It's undifferentiated I'd say
Quick parry used to be a lot worse than composite parry, it used to be just a (bad) macro to press both mouse keys essentially. In the past, people just outright said to never use quick parry
It improved over time, and nowadays quick parry and composite parry are almost identical in how well they work. It's really only while sprinting and mid dodging that quick parry is worse by like ~5 frames I think

Which does still matter in those cases, but in all other cases quick parry is fine

[inner sparrow]

5 frame matters, that's why enemies I am facing does dodge parries a lot better than me

[viscid kelp]

I personally use a mix of both
For jump parries I always use composite, for hold dodge parries I always use composite
For crouch parries and scissor parries I use quick parry

[inner sparrow]

I thought scissors parries are better with composite?

You said that before

[viscid kelp]

To scissor parry manually via the mouse keys, you need composite parry to be enabled
However you can still scissor parry by holding a focus and inputting quick parry before the first ding, which will scissor parry for you

For that case there is no difference in how fast the parry is, it's just that manual scissor parries require composite parry to be enabled

[inner sparrow]

I see

[viscid kelp]

This info in more detail has been compiled on the (inofficial) Naraka wiki https://old.naraka.wiki/Combat

[inner sparrow]

But hold dodge parries are better on composite parry?

[viscid kelp]

If you enter sprinting state, which for hold dodge parries can happen, then yes

I use composite on hold dodge parries always, just to make sure

[inner sparrow]

I see

[viscid kelp]

The only reason I use quick parry is to avoid misinputs (i.e. bad crouch cancel or slow scissor parry)

[inner sparrow]

Good points

I see

I will try composite tonight

[viscid kelp]

It might sometimes mess you up if you got used to pressing one mouse key and then the other, trying to overwrite the original input, but it's worth it in the long run in my opinion

[inner sparrow]

That table on wiki still true?

[inner sparrow]

Yeah I mess up and then I found that both parries are totally same now so I disable it

[inner sparrow]

Is it updated? If then difference are huge

[viscid kelp]

That table specifically should still be up to date from what I can tell
The wiki overall is not kept up to date anymore unfortunately, as is said on the front page

Parts of it are still correct and useful, others aren't so much, which is a bit of a shame

[inner sparrow]

8 frames difference in dodge parries and sprint parries is huge

[viscid kelp]

But the people who ran it (and still maintain the hub) have done so totally voluntarily, so it can't be expected of them

[viscid kelp]

Only applies to mid dodges though, which is important specification
They're explained and visually shown on the wiki as well https://old.naraka.wiki/Movement#mid-dodge

[inner sparrow]

, mid dodge are one where you holding shif only without direction right?

[viscid kelp]

Yes, exactly

[inner sparrow]

But when I do hold dodges , I accidentally mid dodge many times

Directional button first to hold or dodge first?

[dim abyss]

if you want a hold dodge, just hold a directional key while hold dodging

if you hold dodge without directional input itll always be a mid dodge

[rotund blade]

excuse me what is composite parrying? I'm new to the game and the control binds only showing quick parry

[undone anchor]

Composite parry is the one you perform by pressing both attack buttons (lmb and rmb) at the same time

It has to get activated in settings 👍

[rotund blade]

ahhh tysm! what's the diff between the two?

[undone anchor]

Some times composite parry, or scissor parry as we like to also call it, it's faster to activate

Namely after hold dodges while in combat

[rotund blade]

ahhh got u, will try that in free training xD

[undone anchor]

👍👍

In case, I recommend the weekly dojos we have in this server 👍👍, we teach all kinds of stuff, based on what you need and want to learn 👍

[lone coyote]

That parry got at least 2 issues,
It dooms all ur pve experience bc ull accidentally do it a lot.

Also it may mishap even in pvp, unless u very wary abt what u press, i mean how u click on mouse buttons ofc. LMB/RMB ofc

Like if u wanna get from charged to uppercut u may get into parry bc this. This technique is quite advanced for me yet with lmb+rmb it becomes mostly impossible.

Although it seems useless bc too much players knows abt it and for bots its 100% ineffective bc they never pary before u release

[viscid kelp]

PvE I've heard something about before, so I guess that much is valid

But honestly the fact that it forces you to have input discipline in PvP is not a down side

You shouldn't mash buttons or be sloppy with your inputs to begin with

As long as your actions are controlled, you won't accidentally parry because of it

[undone anchor]

yepyep, i second that 👍

[inner sparrow]

I tested and it is much better than quick parry

you can fake uppercut into parry with it too

while in attack animation

and i agree , this game is not button mashing in AS/SEA server if you are button meshing you will get past gold/platinum

i enabled it and playing for 2 days now , no problem yet

[undone anchor]

In any server button mashing won't take u higher than gold 🤔👍👍

Cuz till gold it's mostly bot lobbies 👍👍

[inner sparrow]

yeahh

[rotund blade]

So many people I meet from my casual quick games are bots? Until last like 5 people, they cant even maneuver around the map so you can just escape and heal up..

[onyx loom]

🎉 | Amordia leveled up!
| Extra rewards were added for missing levels
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[naive plaza]

this is normal in quick match and esp if you are a newer player

most of us play ranked

also if youre on pc and the timer hits 4min for quick match it will tend to create a bot lobby, you can avoid that by restarting the queue before it hits that point but you may be waiting for awhile and theres no guarentee theres enough ppl in queue for a good qm lobby

[hard herald]

Can someone explain me what is best in glypsh for Viper?

[wary escarp]

Depended on which mode you play, which region are you in, how high your lv and the time you play. For example playing at 7 A.M. monday quickmatch, you will likely to get into a full on bot mode

[rotund blade]

Yeah I'm super new just trying to hit lvl 50 for ranked matches.. seems like there's few information available for current meta? I've watched several videos on youtube about combat and movement mechanics on the side while I'm coding haha

[rotund blade]

I guess that makes sense, I've just been doing solos to improve my inputs and all the basics like winning neutrals.

[inner sparrow]

Bot mostly

especially if you just start or restarted

until you reach like level 30 you are put into half-bot or full-bot lobbies

[undone anchor]

Meta depends

Mechanics are the same

Heroes ATM is matari (strongest) , Kylin, Hadi pretty much 🤔

Plus some others

[inner sparrow]

But in Trio things changed again

i think this game is most balanced in trio

[undone anchor]

well....

not really

[undone anchor]

kylin, zai, matari dominate trios

u mostly see kylin, ziping and hadi/matari nowdays 🤔

in nbpl at least

or telmuch ziping takeda

[inner sparrow]

how about transformers?

no more these days?

and kurumi

i think i saw kurumi and transformers

[undone anchor]

They are not priority comp as far as I understood

Ziping Kylin are the absolute priority, or at least they were for the last games I saw

Kurumi can substitute ziping, but does a worse job in synergy with Kylin apparently

[undone anchor]

i found a new one 🙂

[wise coral]

im scared

[undone anchor]

not fully sure if it's true on people tho

[viscid kelp]

No

You can't let go of the F

They can dodge instantly

[undone anchor]

k

sad, it would've been fun

tested it; on LS it's actually true

doing it on real players atm

[viscid kelp]

Actually wanna doubt it
inv me to ur custom 1715200080166

[undone anchor]

i went ahead with more testing

it was a fluke

i was just catching the people off guard

mb 🤦

[viscid kelp]

I see

Yeah it's what I guessed

I think I talked about this with someone else before

uuuuuh LordDelta?

Maybe

And yeah if they don't expect it, they can get caught off guard

[undone anchor]

which means it's good to knw, but useless overall

sad

[viscid kelp]

Yeah, mostly just good to know that spamming dodge is a good habit with that ability

[undone anchor]

yeah

hopefully ill make people panic before 😆

[viscid kelp]

You can do either one of these though

2nd one is prob not fps friendly

first should work fine tho

Just need to time the hold dodge lmb

[undone anchor]

i cant get the timing for that 211 swap; got any hints for it?

[viscid kelp]

It's probably a bit later than you expect
LS uppercut animation is omega slow

[undone anchor]

i cant preinput the first swap right?

[viscid kelp]

Yeah

[undone anchor]

well, at least i got an idea on what to train next i guess 🤔

[sturdy ridge]

I heat all graple combo bcuz hard to me

[misty axle]

How I beat these henge and katana users

[undone anchor]

What is troubling you specifically?

[misty axle]

I can never beat them

[undone anchor]

But what is the specific problem? They hit you continuously with focus? The stagger and combo?

[misty axle]

Stagger

I can’t get priority

[undone anchor]

I imagine you parry a lot?

[misty axle]

No

[undone anchor]

Mhhh

[misty axle]

Half focus charge didn’t even work

[undone anchor]

It would be interesting to See a clip of a fight if possible, so that we can see what we can work on 🤔🤔

[misty axle]

I’ll get the hit then get staggered out right after first hit

[undone anchor]

What is your ms? 🤔

[misty axle]

I can’t bc they are being toxic not letting me fight in song birb

[misty axle]

Ping

[undone anchor]

Yep, how much is it?

[misty axle]

40

[undone anchor]

Which is good 🤔

[misty axle]

It’s in the green 4 me

[undone anchor]

Do you manage to get stagger on the enemy? Or it's all the time onesided?

[misty axle]

Onesided

When I fight other ppl not using those weapons I can easily take control

[undone anchor]

If you were to think about it, how much time do you spend on focus form during a fight?

[misty axle]

Focus form wat dat?

[undone anchor]

Blue form

When you are charging an attack

[misty axle]

Depends on person

[undone anchor]

It shouldnt

[misty axle]

I charge during when they throw regular attacks

[undone anchor]

Whenever you are not attacking yourself it's always best to spend the most amount of time possible in focus form

Because when shining blue u can't get staggered

If they catch you, generally it's because there are windows where you are most vulnerable

[misty axle]

Train me

I take not

Note

[undone anchor]

Since I am EU it's somewhat difficult 🤔

[misty axle]

I use the dagger and chip and combo

[undone anchor]

My best hint would be to join the dojo tomorrow ( #🏋┃dojo-coaching ) , and ask for help from a coach from your region 👍🤔

[undone anchor]

Dagger all the more shouldn't have problems with katana 🤔, since the movement is quick and animations short 🤔

[misty axle]

That wat I thought

[undone anchor]

They might help a bit better than me, since they can join you in a custom and show you what to do, or help you understand better 🤔👍👍

[misty axle]

But ur awake doe

[undone anchor]

Yes, but in NA server I got 250+ ms, meaning that I can't do anything

[misty axle]

You’ll teleport

[undone anchor]

And you will aswell

And this would be pretty useless to learn how to fight 👍👍

[misty axle]

Dojo mojo

[undone anchor]

? 🤔

[misty axle]

So I suppose to be in blue focus all da time

[undone anchor]

Yep

And I would really recommend checking out a guide on hold checking 🤔👍

U prolly know what it is already, but it's always a good thing to watch and train, since it's the core of fighting in naraka

https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=TpPq4TntJgJK5H3y

(here , for reference)

[misty axle]

Yi be holding but idk the dagger doesn’t seem to hold for very long like other weapons

[meager trail]

then dash cancel it and hold again

[misty axle]

Ye

[rotund blade]

Is there a SEA dojo? Pretty sure I'll get 200+ ping to NA

[undone anchor]

Dagger has actually one of the longest possible hold times 🤔👍

[misty axle]

Really?

[undone anchor]

Yep

Same goes for fan

U can overhold for an insane amount of time

(by hold time I mean the time u can overhold after the 1.0 attack is charged)

[viscid kelp]

Tbh from what I know, the hold duration groupings are
Dagger, fan, katana, heng, LS, DB, DH and nunnies all hold for around 1.6s
GS, PS, staff and spear all seem like ~2.2s
And fistblades seems slightly longer even, like ~2.5s

The reason why you might perceive fan or dagger as holding for longer is because they don't have a second 'ding'
After the first ding, there is a whole lot of nothing, and you just kinda stare at their focus hold with nothing changing

The best counters for katana imo are still spear/staff
They have the longest hold dodge ingame and can safely avoid katana focus attacks in most cases by dodging diagonally backwards
They also outrange katana both with their light and focus attacks

Dagger/fan are also good picks because of dagger dash being very long

Heng sword is a bit more complicated, because of its unique focus attacks. I still think spear/staff are solid into heng, but it's not as clear as with katana
Heng horizontal focus you can jump over to remain safe. Heng vertical focus is best countered through spacing and hold dodge parries

There's stuff in the pins of this channel for those topics and generally fundamentals

[undone anchor]

Also, it's good to notice that most people will cancel the lunge into a light attack, so releasing in their face as they lunge to you is somewhat of a safe option

Worst case you clash

[viscid kelp]

For heng sword horizontal focus, yeah

I just realized my cutting tool bugged and my clip plays twice, oh well

[undone anchor]

Which one u use?

[viscid kelp]

Just the Windows integrated one for short clips like that

Usually it works fine, but on rare occasion it does that

Windows photos specifically
I think clipchamp is trash

[undone anchor]

I see

I was taking like a thousand short clips until I got the one I wanted cuz I wasn't sure what to use 😂😂

Good to knw that I can just use the windows one 😂

[viscid kelp]

Yeah this one is totally fine

[undone anchor]

👍👍

[lyric goblet]

This is almost true, interesting

[undone anchor]

nice find!

so far the only really good weapon to extend juggles with spear and staff is LS, this is a nice thing to find 👍

it looks true to me tho 🤔 ; bot cant dodge out

[viscid kelp]

Plenty of stuff with katana/heng
Most of this still works, just take out the heavenstep reps

There's also this old infinite, but it has become rather difficult

[undone anchor]

Right, I had forgotten that one 😍

[solar maple]

Sorry to bother you all

Does anyone know of any video that shows a lot of dodging at the highest level

Not how to do it. But just shows it off so I can convince someone to play the game

Just to show case how satisfying and creative you can get with dodges

like jumping crouching to dodge attacks even again at high level where if dodge button ain’t needed it ain’t used

[undone anchor]

At the highest Naraka level you will see people dodging through everything, but crouching under smth and jumping over it is rare to see 🤔

https://youtu.be/_CFPO3fw8yw?si=zi1PbRfPt7DVcMtI

Here you can see a few nice dodges, but what you are asking I fear still has not been made

I'm looking for it tho 👍, if I find anything I'll send it to you

https://youtu.be/1SQ7XdpvmWA?si=23aVn9FgwZPLAn8P

Here you have better ones 🤔👍

There is also a crouch dodge like the one you were looking for 🤔👍👍

[solar maple]

ONFG THANK YOU SO MUCH

and of course it’s long notes

[undone anchor]

🤷🏻‍♂️

He got good combo videos

[solar maple]

Man’s been on a timing since 1k hours

im on 4K hours as well still playing noob

[solar maple]

Combo matter not to me. The selling point is always neutral, dodging, reading, being decisive that’s what really gets the blood boiling

[undone anchor]

Well...

But combos are cool 🤔😂

(yes, I am a combo addict, for me they are the coolest thing in thegame😂😂)

[stable flame]

when will be a ndew update ?

[undone anchor]

We just had one; next one is expected in 10-11 days, which is when the season resets 👍

[silent mica]

https://youtu.be/YK14O-hwIQ4

Where am i fuckin up?

This combo hard as hell.

[viscid kelp]

The idea is, after uppercutting, input swap -> wait until swap occurs -> dodge + input swap again