🔱┃weapons-combat

[meager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/shibe-sword-gif-18767181

[undone anchor]

The channel is back!!!

[zenith oracle]

@thin wharf, you don't have enough coins to buy this item

[grizzled trout]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-lightsabers-fight-dogs-rdooooomed-gif-15393217

[lusty cosmos]

@viscid kelp

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[viscid kelp]

Quick rundown on core combat mechanics

• Tap dodges (tapping shift + direction) have long i-frames but also long recovery frames. They therefore provide relatively high safety during the dodge, but leave you very vulnerable after it. Mainly to be used when you know the enemy is also stuck in some animation or out of range and therefore can't punish you.
• Hold dodges (holding shift + direction) have very short i-frames, but leave you with significantly more freedom to perform follow up actions. This generally allows you to react to what your enemy might attempt more freely. Can be caught by light attacks in melee range though.
• Note: i-frames do not work against tether effects such as Viper/Tessa ult, nor against burn/poison damage, nor against certain AoE CC such as Temulch/Valda ult or Valda bubbles.
• Almost all interactions in this game are ping and to an extent fps dependent. The game has attacker sided precedence. Some consequences:
• Parries are ping dependent. The higher your ping, the more you have to parry in advance for it to register. However, even if your ping is low, the enemy having high ping tends to require you to parry earlier as well.
• Different types of parries have different start-up frames (https://naraka.wiki/Combat).
  • Jump parries pull you into attacks, which can help to more consistently catch the hitbox of an attack during the parry window and thus parry successfully. They also allow for faster follow up actions than standing parries. However, the pulling property and slight delay introduced by the jump can be detrimental to your parry timing.
  • Hold-dodge parries can allow you to evade part of a focus attack and parry its lingering frames or, if it's a multi-hit focus, its next hit.
• Quick parry and composite parry are identical in speed except for when you're running or mid-dodging (just holding shift to dodge), in which case quick parry is ironically slower.
• "Rubber banding". Sometimes you dodge but get pulled back into an attack, even though your stamina is consumed. This is because your dodge has not reached the opponent's screen yet and therefore was overwritten. This again gets worse the higher ping is on each player's end.
• "Blue focus armor". Holding blue focus makes you immune to stagger from light attacks and reduces their damage by 30%. This is vastly important for combat. How fast your blue focus armor comes into effect depends on your ping and fps.
• Some combos are only properly executable under certain ping/fps conditions. The most relevant [basic combos](#🔱┃weapons-combat message) are pretty universal though.
• "Soft true" and "full true" combos
  • True combo -> Only abilities that can be used under attack can escape.
  • Soft true combo -> Abilities that can be used under attack and any ability that grants focus state can escape. However, pure movement cannot, because it will always be rubber banded.
• Animation speed is fps dependent.
• Knowing the range and characteristics of the various light and blue focus attacks of different weapons is a significant portion of this game's skill ceiling. Spacing properly and knowing how to avoid attacks minimizes risks and can open up opportunities to punish your opponent for missing.
• Abilities can synergize with weapons or other abilities. It's worth learning how to get the most out of specific abilities and how they can help you in direct combat to apply pressure, punish the opponent or avoid being punished.
• Buffering, i.e. inputting actions while still stuck in animation, is very useful to ensure the trueness of attack strings/combos. It will attempt to execute your input on the first possible frame once the animation you're currently in is over, minimizing the risk of player induced timing mistakes. However, buffering is not always ideal.

[undone anchor]

Can I steal this? 🤔🤔 For reference on another server (and clearly shared under your name 🤔)

[viscid kelp]

Sure

Rn I'm working on changing a thing or two rn to make this channel/post more maintainable

and also keep info up to date

List of helpful guides

• General guide on punishes and micro interactions
• General guide on movement
• [A quick guide on how parries fundamentally work in real game interactions](#🔱┃weapons-combat message)
• General guide on dodge parries
• Guide on a specific tech to deal with wakeup situations
• A playlist containing guides for various topics
• A playlist with Penemue's guides on various topics
• A playlist with Eraldos' guides on various topics

Gonna expand that one in a bit

[undone anchor]

Ty!!

[lusty cosmos]

[viscid kelp]

Gotta record an up to date basic combo vid once I'm home

A short video to explain how exactly parries work

The visual and auditory feedback with regards to when a parry should be active is not entirely intuitive and can lead to misunderstandings, which this video tries to clear up.
Note that the free training bot cancels all desync and server validation for your actions, so what I explain in this video applies only to interactions outside of free training.

[past sage]

(Don’t mind me phone bugged and I thought I messed something up)

[viscid kelp]

All good, appreciate the pins

I think I will add the combo drive and a video for current basic combos once I'm home in roughly a week, need to update that stuff anyway

[sly ore]

dual blades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBWyhNRlnNs

dagger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBwRczvL8K8

[fast viper]

Did dey change again?

[viscid kelp]

As for right now, I just need to add fistblades for basic combos

However on current test server, slide uppercut->grapple on katana is heavily nerfed, killing any form of heavenstep or slide uppercut extension. If this hits live, I will have to delete like half the katana folder from the drive

[fast viper]

Eeh that's mad I been wondering why I been winning fights even with my ping, yeh I'm looking forward to the fistblade combos I'm tryna main the weapon

[left lodge]

how do parries function with regards to facing, is it character only or does the camera have a factor

[fast viper]

😂it's crazy cz my parry does exactly like the exaggerated one in the vid, but luckily you remembered that vid you once made for parrying diff weapons at different distances so I use that plus cancelling a doge with the repair action then parry

[left lodge]

also how does the hitbox actually look, 1 orb? 2 pills? I've been able to parry some attacks like matari teleport focus release directly behind me which seemingly shouldn't work

[viscid kelp]

In terms of what is considered in front of you/behind you, this solely depends on where your character is facing. Your camera has no immediate impact on this

In real game settings, parries are affected by melee aim assist, so when parrying, you will turn around towards the enemy you're currently receiving melee aim assist for (this is indicated by a grey circle below them). Here your camera doesn't matter
You can manually overwrite melee aim assist by holding a movement key and facing away from the enemy you're receiving melee aim assist for. In that case, your camera matters

As for Matari, it depends
Certain focus attacks (such as aurora burst) are large AoEs and don't really have a direction. For those you don't need to face your opponent to parry it, being within its hitbox suffices

[left lodge]

Thank you very much. About the 180 parry I have a theory on why it happens but I wanna know if there's hard info on how attacks function

I don't really want to make assumptions

[viscid kelp]

No problem
If you got a clip you can always share it and see if someone has an answer
If not, you can just keep it in the back of your mind and see if it comes up again, and if you can spot consistencies in it

[elder wave]

Is there a reliable way to combo opponents who have their backs against a wall?
I'm somewhat new to the game and have recently started to slowly get the hang of combos. Though, oftentimes I find myself getting cockblocked by a wall.
How does one play around said walls?

[austere lance]

To my knowledge there isn't, but you can always try and confuse them by doing an uppercut and then going for a scale rush from the wall the enemy was on, instinctively the enemy will go away from the wall and you will get the scale rush hit allowing you to do another combo

[elder wave]

I see. That's kind of a bummer. Thanks for the reply, though!

[austere lance]

Np

[wise coral]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLogVqYPt1NX93YafFiQInkyuC_wFHTykQ

[viscid kelp]

Linked Neffy's playlist here alr #🔱┃weapons-combat message
Don't mind the redundancy, but in general, if anyone thinks they have a good guide/playlist, I can put it there

[wise coral]

Perf ❤️

[valid pawn]

With nunchucks pls

[sly ore]

i can't afford to make another video like that right now, but when i can, i'll try to make it

[tawdry topaz]

i actually just made one but its combos only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwVDDhjiTZ4

[vestal rock]

Do people still play this game

[undone anchor]

Yes?

[fast viper]

Maybe bro fought too many bots

[white olive]

nah people just talk about a game they dont play for fun

[hot helm]

how do you deal with yueshan whenever they're in their ult?

[white olive]

try to get some kind of high ground

his vertical mobility is limited so itll be hard for him to chase you if you use trees and building to kite him

[hot helm]

what if you're in the realm of yang

[white olive]

use yang pillars and scale rushes

[solar maple]

Change to fist blades and weave

get the timing down it’s like dodging an Elden ring boss

sometimes it’s a well placed dodge sometimes it’s a jump sometimes it’s crouch

[undone anchor]

you really hate fistblades, dont you? 😆

[solar maple]

No they are just really good at dodging shi

check out the fat list of punishes that fistblades can do from long notes video

[undone anchor]

i knw them pretty well 🙂 been abusing fistblades since they came out 😆

[hazy charm]

I'm struggling to get enough pop off of my grapple combo, tested with longsword, and I can't get the vertical focus follow up on the bot before it dodges. Any tips?
I'm focusing on launching grapple as soon as possible after crouch vertical, and also hitting the right spot on the ground to make the bot pop. I prehold focus vertical and I don't roll.

[white olive]

longsword forcus is a bit slow so assuming you're doing everything else right you're dropping it either because you're releasing the focus too late or your fps is too low to get the combo consistent on the bot

btw in case you didnt know for the grapple timing you can just buffer the grapple after you input uppercut

[grim arch]

A video would be amazing to analyse it a bit better.
But the bot can dodge things players can't so that might be one of the reasons. Also if you have too low frames true combos become unstable even if exectued correctly so it would be intersting to know your frames and ping on average.

[hazy charm]

I'll try to get a video of it and post it

[hazy charm]

https://youtu.be/QX-4Lgbf9bk

[grim arch]

You could input it a bit quicker, however it seems like your frame rate is quite low. As far as I can tell thats the main problem right now ^^

[hazy charm]

I'm trying to spam the grapple as soon as I can hmmm....
What frame rate should I aim for tho? I can probably lower some settings quite a bit

[grim arch]

Most players have it at the lowest settings. I understand that this is something you may not want to play with. I would recommend you try the combo again on the lowest settings and see if it works better. If so, you can tweak the settings accordingly.

An fps counter is always a good way to keep track. In general, I would aim for at least 90 fps on average.

Frames play a big part in Naraka when it comes to combos, the higher the frames, the greater the chance of your combo working. 90 is the bare minimum, I'd say (I play at lower frame rates myself, but that causes combos to break and other annoying stuff)

[hazy charm]

There's an FPS counter in the bottom right corner, I'm at ~130fps. Tried again at 160fps and I still couldn't get it, but I've considered lowering graphics anyway so I might as well make it 144+ to match my monitor.

Combo is still really hard to get to work, but I did hit it once so maybe it's on to something

[grim arch]

What I have also just noticed 🤦‍♂️ is that you input the hook to slow. As soon as you press Crouch + RMB (so upeprcut) you can press Q (hook) and then LMB -> this is due to buffering you can read more here -> #🔱┃weapons-combat message

The video attached is from @cedar berry you can find a invite to his discord on his profile it offers a great amount of information and a lot of helpful people I'd recommend you to join it!

When you use the hook your character already has airtime but as you can see in the video he has 0 air time and stays on the ground (when uperrcutting) - too tired sorry for the bad explanation xD

[hazy charm]

Aaaa I think you figured it out. I thought I was being hella fast cause sometimes the hook came out instead of the uppercut, but I see now that I can do it really early. Thanks a lot

Got it 3 times in a row so I think it's solved, thank you, now I can finally start learning this combo!

[median pendant]

Whats the best way to improve parry reactions? I've played showdown abit and thats helped a ton because it actually gives me a chance to think and react but I was wondering if theres any better ways?

[undone anchor]

practice 🤔

[median pendant]

Damn good point

[undone anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFhMiSDPgDI&t=42s

this might prove a bit helpful tho 👍

[median pendant]

I appreciate it, Ill check it out in abit

[undone anchor]

yw

[stiff marsh]

katana infinity still there

https://v.douyin.com/iM7c87pn/

[undone anchor]

should also be easier to do judging from patch notes

[undone anchor]

easy combo extend with the new hero

sadly i still cannot chain the ult at the end there, in the second uppercut the enemy is too low to get thrown away by the ult activation 🤔

here is the LS version, deals slightly more dmg

[meager trail]

or you can just do grapple combo into F into another blue

the dmg kinda the same iirc

[undone anchor]

slightly less i think?

(these extenders are universal, just in case; here is an example with the new wuchen f2)

[undone anchor]

just tested, t's around 400 dmg less 👍

@meager trail 👍

[meager trail]

well i mean

but yeah the dmg is lower, this is the noob version though 😂

[undone anchor]

ah, that0s what you meant 👍

didnt think about this, good idea

let's add a double uppercut at the end and its going to be op

[undone anchor]

it's good 👍

i was doing double uppercut because it deals more dmg overall i think

but it does look like it's not the case

meaning that this is actually very good to knw

@meager trail here you go 👍

i think you can also chain a second single grapple combo tbf, but even for this i had to disable the bot because it rolls out of my focus attacks if i dont spend time to concentrate and position it perfectly 😆

[meager trail]

yeah i gave up on long and multiple inputs combos cuz i can't be consistent with those

[undone anchor]

after this patch its way wasier, i would really recommend the double uppercut 👍

[meager trail]

so i just do basic and simple stuffs, as long as the dmg is not drastically different

[meager trail]

i don't play solo much (well more like not at all) so i don't focus on learning combos

[undone anchor]

this is the double focus combo 👍

[meager trail]

but yeah

[undone anchor]

(still with disabled bot)

wrong video

1 sec

[meager trail]

so i find out that you can chain kylin F after a blue release even with all that knockback distance

so it will be my go-to

[undone anchor]

here, shoudl be right one

[undone anchor]

yep

its so good

it's like an improved version of the lyam f2 pretty much

[meager trail]

so uhh
what just happened?

[shadow light]

Could it be mataris teleport?

[meager trail]

that's a justina

[shadow light]

Oh, then its very sus

[viscid kelp]

Something something desync on release timing something something erudition being funny

[undone anchor]

Erudition is for spear tho 🤔🤔

Nvm, it's a spear

[viscid kelp]

[undone anchor]

Yep, they jumped over you pretty much 🤔👍😂

[meager trail]

more like the justina just teleported to my back and casted erudition from there

like bruh

how could we even identify cheaters if this is how the game behave regularly

[viscid kelp]

You can see her slide beneath you, so teleporting is not necessarily accurate
But yeah desync induced interactions like that are odd. You'd at least expect a clash but alas

[meager trail]

that's even weirder cuz erudition doesn't have a ''slide'' animation

[viscid kelp]

It doesn't inherently, but I think it has a tiny forwards leap
This forwards leap somehow positioned her behind you without first clashing your blue

[meager trail]

yeah i see it now

my guess is because that tiny leap make the character crouchs so it counted as the character being in crouching state, therefore my fan lmb attack couldn't hit him and i also jumped over him while doing so, then it ended up with him being on my back and auto target do the rest

[viscid kelp]

I thought about that too, but I'm not sure how crouchable the fan focus follow up actually is
I don't think you can crouch it, but I might be wrong

Something tells me there was a reason I don't crouch after being hit by fan focus, but I'm not sure if that's it

[meager trail]

i thought the same, that's why i tried to go for that follow up attack when i saw him charging blue, for at least a clash

but eh

[undone anchor]

Pretty crouchable, depending on the terrain

[viscid kelp]

With terrain anything is crouchable, I'm talking about even ground

If you can feasibly crouch when expecting a fan focus follow up

But I don't think you can

[undone anchor]

you shouldnt be able to , no

[prisma tangle]

[lapis ibex]

So like - what in the world is focus anyways

[undone anchor]

the blue state

[lapis ibex]

Oh the charge stages

[undone anchor]

when you charge or do a charged attack

yep

[lapis ibex]

💀

Ima goofball

[undone anchor]

that's focus, since the attack itself it's called "focus attack"

[lapis ibex]

Don’t mind me

[undone anchor]

no worries, it was a question that had to be asked 👍

[lapis ibex]

😭

[normal yacht]

They got bots on the discord 😭gotta be

[jade gull]

Wait there’s people here

[undone anchor]

??

[wary escarp]

If you want me to guess, this is the moment

[meager trail]

well it should've been a clash but game says nope

wcyd

[wary escarp]

Erudition blue focus extending forward from user body, which cause 2 focus hitbox not in intercept with each other, and since Erudition force user to move forward even against player if it is not clashes, it snaps Justina to forward, go behind your back, tracking on, turn and attack you on the back side, which go straight into your hitbox and you lose. This is my guess

Because I seen some f--kery with staff monkey jade as well

[meager trail]

welp, yea

i mean, i don't really need an explanation

just my opinion that it should've been a clash not whatever happened

but eh

just naraka being naraka ig

[final escarp]

Is the LS carousel true?

[normal yacht]

Going live on twitch look me up

[naive plaza]

Yes as long as you juggle them properly the focus at the end is true, if they drop then they can dodge before the last focus attack

[final escarp]

thank you

[meager trail]

this game is f*cked

🤡

[shadow light]

Ahahahahah

[wary escarp]

So we have a parry spam bug now?

[meager trail]

i have no idea

i'm more worried if it's one of the ''speed acceleration'' cheat

[wary escarp]

Both seems to be same thing where you jump parry or something and just spam it repeatingly

Could be cheat

[meager trail]

yeah the speed cheat exist, i saw someone instantly charged their blue already

but this idk

[wary escarp]

Nah, you just need to press C while parry mid air

Here, let me record a clip for you

[meager trail]

yeah that cancel the parry animation but after that how do you repeat it and keep yourself in the air?

[wary escarp]

I kinda slow with it but if you can do it fast enough you can fly

[wary escarp]

You cancel the parry but you can double jump still

[meager trail]

oh

so it's air parry > crouch > jump > repeat

[wary escarp]

Yes

I will report this to feedback

They might using macro to execute it flawlessly fast, but this thing should not exist anyway

[wary escarp]

See...

This game is so f*cked

[meager trail]

wonder if the cancelled parry still could parry

if it does

[wary escarp]

Probably not

[meager trail]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-gif-24157752

[wary escarp]

Nope, not work

[meager trail]

🤔

aight

@wary escarp can you do the air parry cancel with crouch into fast tap dodge when you reached the ground?

i'm thinking if you can use this tech to like, quickly fix your mistake when you got parry baited

[wary escarp]

You can legit skipping your parry recovery with this

[meager trail]

yeah that's what i'm thinking about

[wary escarp]

This mean if you get parry bait by enemy holding, you can skip the part where you recover after parry to attemp to parry their next charge. You can react to them dodge into combo by air lmb.

This is so f*cked

Tho not easy, 1 jump parry is not enough, you need to double jump before you do this thing

[meager trail]

i mean like you could cancel the 1st parry with crouch and immediately parry again if enemies is overholding

like this, welp probably people can do it faster

or replace the 2nd parry with a tap dodge

but if you do it too fast then the 1st parry (which got cancelled) doesn't count as a parry so technically speaking this is still not a double parry

i'm wondering if you can use this ''air parry cancel with crouch'' tech to correct your mistake

[wary escarp]

After some testing, you cannot recover the after the parry flash come out so no, it cannot fix your mistake but it still shouldn't exist

[meager trail]

that i completely agree with

[meager trail]

@wary escarp bro it seems like they removed it already

seems like i can't use crouch to cancel airborne parry recovery frames anymore

[wary escarp]

Yep, have no idea how but I was testing it and during training it stops working all together

[meager trail]

😂

[wary escarp]

No patch and stuff

[valid kelp]

yo question guys, I've seen some people in videos basically instantly cancel grapples say stagger the enemy and cancel into a ranged wep shot or just straight up rise into the air by grappling the ground and i can't for the life of me replicate it, is it just a tight timing that I'm missing the queue for or something funky like 211 inputs ???? help

[undone anchor]

It is timing; FPS are a need tho, if they are too low it's never going to work 🤔👍

Plus the inputs are similar to the 211, yeah 🤔👍👍

[valid kelp]

more tech for me to never learn

or I'll try to brute force it and maybe it'll click for me

[undone anchor]

😂😂😂😂

Gl!! That's the right spirit

[glacial gazelle]

try to jump the moment the grapple flys out. can try it in lobby while match is starting

then you have to scroll to swap to a range to shoot for the next step

a little too many apm for my old hands to handle

but you can try for yourself

hahahaa

[valid kelp]

I'll try it out once I'm home, thanks

[final escarp]

How do you do the LS double grapple combo? I can't find any guides on it on yt

[viscid kelp]

Doesn't require any funny inputs or even that good fps, it's just timing

For counter grapple/headshot things it's a similar story

Ideally you wanna jump at the very moment your grappling hook connects

[viscid kelp]

Which one

[final escarp]

cV g (ground) and then you somehow do another cV and g the person in the air

[viscid kelp]

Like this? This one would be kinda useless imo

[final escarp]

I think yes. I thought it's deals a bit more dmg than cV g focus V while still being easy and consistent

I keep missing my second grapple , so a video like this is really helpful. Thanks!

[viscid kelp]

This one is perhaps even simpler and deals more damage

Which is why I didn't think the double grapple one is particularly useful

[final escarp]

Does this deal more dmg than cV g focus V?

[viscid kelp]

Yes

Roughly 200 dmg more

[final escarp]

then it was this, thanks a lot!

[viscid kelp]

No problem

[vital marsh]

<@&1128994349972205608> one question, i've been trying to check and learn from all the guides that are pinned in this channel, there is something that you consider important missing, or like maybe more weapon guides ? Thanks in advance

[dim abyss]

I don't see the basic grapple combo pinned

[vital marsh]

katana/heng sword ?

[spice sinew]

If you want anything pinned, ping me

[dim abyss]

https://medal.tv/games/naraka-bladepoint/clips/28mBhE4tMz9DfC/d1337JH0o3ee?invite=cr-MSxaaWUsMTExNzEyNDA3LA

It works for katana/heng, dual blades/halberds, longsword (with longsword you need to do vertical combo starter) and i think even fan can do it

[vital marsh]

ok, thanks Marko. Any other weapon guide that you guys recommend ? I've been checking Penemue dagger and duals, but would like to check also another weapons

[dim abyss]

All weapons play differently but some play REALLY differently

Like greatsword and polesword

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp2o5EeT4Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZwZDl5-GXE

Personally i recommend polesword over greatsword, it's just better

Just turn greatsword into polesword if you find one

[viscid kelp]

I can recommend Eraldos' guides https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEVNEAgYkVm9304UHUgjhfVvwSgoP7L54&si=caVnXaMINABJGMzD

[dim abyss]

The weapon has insane single hit damage, annoying mindgames, no combo requirement, high mobility and can actually block

[viscid kelp]

Will add to the pinned message

[dim abyss]

You can also learn greatsword if you want of course, but polesword is just way more mobile and versatile

The same channel I sent for polesword has greatsword videos

[vital marsh]

@dim abyss thanks tho, i will check that stuff probably can learn few things. @viscid kelp that would be great, your pinned messages in this channel is like a reference for me to know what guides can be useful and up to date.

[dim abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_pV7dfcsoc

should also learn this as you become a more advanced player

[viscid kelp]

Gonna work on getting an all-basic-combos vid back up in a bit, have to update it for fistblades

[dim abyss]

it's additional damage

can add up to insane total damage output

and completely demoralize some opponents

[vital marsh]

Will save the links to check it properly, thanks guys ! ❤️

[undone anchor]

Also fan 👍

[wary escarp]

I see, you endure your hatred for it

[viscid kelp]

All current basic combos

These are the bread and butter combos for each weapon. They generally are the easiest combo for the respective weapon that achieve a relatively high damage output in reasonable time. They might not always be the ideal combo though!
Many weapons have alternative combos that are also reasonably easy to execute and might work better under specific circumstances. If you struggle with any of the shown combos, feel free to ask for help in this channel!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266684295599099955/1381990154184429660/everybasiccombo.mp4?ex=68498620&is=684834a0&hm=895e3e47aa31aa5040be292608efbcbfaa9e50db054b1f45868482346cb9fb8f&

[dim abyss]

Also I want to add the dual weapons combo is soft combo-breakable if you want to add the ACCA 2nd light attack

[undone anchor]

if you go with the other option for the fistblades it deals slighty more dmg 👍

just in case

(same combo, but instead of doing vertical focus to finish, horizontal one deals a bit more)

[viscid kelp]

Horizontal has a higher tendency to miss

Someone in EU summer challenge didn't get a kill because they used lmb and it whiffed

[undone anchor]

i see

it goes well only on flat terrain, that's indeed true 👍

[white olive]

"The final hit of the dual blades combo only hits sometimes" i feel like this sums up naraka perfectly

[undone anchor]

depends on ping and fps

for takao is guaranteed to hit 👍

also it's, as every combo, dependant on the terrain 👍

[viscid kelp]

Not rly, my low ping doesn't allow me to pull back wakeup roll well, so for me it whiffs usually
Only rly works if my enemy has quite high ms

Had to disable combo mode on bot cuz it's otherwise impossible

[dim abyss]

@spice sinew this should be pinned

[heavy torrent]

hello, what's an easy but good combo for heng sword and dagger? are they good weapons for new players?

[dim abyss]

Heng here

Dagger is in pins

[heavy torrent]

tyvm

[haughty mesa]

how can I get some good motion blur settings for naraka?

[heavy torrent]

is it really possible to vfocus -holddodge back - uppercut with dagger?

cant do it even once in training mode

[meager trail]

no

anything after a dagger dash is untrue

[dim abyss]

if you want a combo for a focus attack

you can do dodge>horizontal after a horizontal focus

but i havent seen vertical focus combo into anything

[heavy torrent]

im just looking for an easy powerful combo to start with..so it's uppercut-lmb-lmb-short hop-lmb-lmb-rmb?

[dim abyss]

https://youtu.be/eBwRczvL8K8?t=146

learn this

[dim abyss]

you might have wrong timing with this

but you don't need it

just learn the one i sent

https://youtu.be/eBwRczvL8K8?t=240 and learn this one

[viscid kelp]

That one's a bit weird and usually soft true, if you execute it correctly that is
Won't rly be easily doable on bot in combo training mode

[heavy torrent]

i also have troubles with heng sword and katana combo, the last V1 (H1 with katana) feels hard to hit

[viscid kelp]

On this one the final jrmb isn't actually true, I would avoid it

[heavy torrent]

i cant hit him even after the short hop lol

[viscid kelp]

Off uppercut you can do this, if you have a bow
On players you'll usually be able to hit 3 shots

[viscid kelp]

Don't press W too much in case you are
Dagger aerial attacks are odd

[viscid kelp]

Grapple focus combos can be a bit difficult on low fps
On players it's most likely gonna work more easily

[heavy torrent]

ty

how do you send short clips on discord?

[viscid kelp]

I record with OBS and cut just using Windows' inbuilt video player/editor

If you have a file that's too large for your Discord upload limit, use streamable

[vital marsh]

Anyone knows a good in depth guide of staff and/or spear ?

[undone anchor]

depends on what you need; there are 2 main combos that are easy, plus one that is harder 🤔

[vital marsh]

easy one is already mastered, that I suppose is the one that Takao uploaded. Im looking more for maybe valuable techs, and maybe a rare useful combo or shit like that

[undone anchor]

try looking for 211 then

very useful, can be used for a lot of things

aside from that there is nothing for spear and staff, aside the classic juggles

[vital marsh]

thats the weapon swap one ? Ok will try to focus on that then thanks !

[undone anchor]

np

[dim abyss]

the thing with staff is the 2.0 lmb

learn to use that, you will be so annoying

[frail mulch]

is it just me or is fistblades easier to fight now?

[craggy minnow]

Need help with grapple combo. I get it sometimes and my best guess is that the grapple position when i shoot it needs to be in a specific spot but seems waay to tight so maybe just doing something wrong.

I get it sometimes but inconsistant

https://streamable.com/msv17g

[meager trail]

Too close

[frail mulch]

Either it's because your ping is high or the bot is dodging out because it's the free training bot

[meager trail]

nah i think it's just wrong grapple position

[wary escarp]

It is true

Vertical focus -> dash uppercut is true, it just has strict timing

[wary escarp]

It has very strict timing, not impossible

[meager trail]

i don't think so

dagger and fan got nothing to confirm an uppercut

[wary escarp]

Against real players it is easier

[wary escarp]

Vertical focus first 2 stab -> cancel 3th stab with dagger -> uppercut

[meager trail]

i know, but the dagger dash animation is just too long to confirm the uppercut

hence untrue

[wary escarp]

You do know crouch cancel dagger dash right

[meager trail]

even though it's still untrue no? 🤔 the moment you dashed they can roll out already

cuz dagger attacks have short stagger duration

[meager trail]

i'm not saying it's not possible, against players you can do lots of untrue sht, but untrue is still untrue

[wary escarp]

the second stab of Dagger focus has just enough to do it

You just need to time it so that you can uppercut them, if too late, they dodge out, if too soon, it will only knock them up a little bit

Not impossible against combo bot, it just really strict timing

[undone anchor]

Fan windwall is in fact a combo starter 👍🤔

[meager trail]

ah yeah

forgot about that

[frail mulch]

look at your ping that guy has 100 ping

[undone anchor]

Ping is indeed the problem there, yeah 👍

Grapple is still a bit close aswell, but should work on low enough ping

[viscid kelp]

I mean, works on that ping too
Just gets hard if your fps are low
On players it'll work better either way

[final escarp]

How are you doing the toothpick with a crouch?

[viscid kelp]

It's called ACCA, somewhat old tech that is mostly used for katana/heng, but works for LS and fistblades too

After attacking you hold C to enter crouching state, then tap C to stand back up and attack again

[final escarp]

Thank you!

Btw I sometimes manage to skip the recovery frames after falling fast (high in the air and then pressing c) by doing a dodge right when I hit the ground. I have done that a few times by accident but also saw sb doing that (a mentor in dojo but he said it's "too advanced" and didn't explain it).
How exactly does that work or what's the name of it, so I can at least google it?

[lusty cosmos]

Look up bomb dodging by long notes

[heavy torrent]

is there an easier and reliable combo than the grapple combo for heng sword?

[heavy torrent]

this maybe? H-cV-jH-jH-jH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxWUEmGZ2BU at 03.00)

[undone anchor]

only first 2 jH are true

third one you need an insane amount of fps 👍 , or you need to also be really precise

this combo also is true for most of the weapons; more basic than this you cant go 👍

[heavy torrent]

ty!

[gaunt haven]

HI i have some questions, and needs some help. for combo, auto grapple is better than manual no ?

[meager trail]

doesn't make a difference

just use whatever you're more comfortable with

[undone anchor]

I would generally recommend the hybrid form

But all of them work, depends on you oreference

[solar maple]

I stay hating the heng sword horizontal

every few weeks I forget how to fight it

And try to dodge and get caught

Or parry and get caught

[viscid kelp]

Listen to Credator

[solar maple]

If I blue focus it just keeps going. Until they switch to vertical in which I can “punish” but then get smacked in the face with the horizontal follow up

[solar maple]

Ik im sorry I just hate that stalemate

forcing you to blue focus as your only option

[viscid kelp]

You can also try to go for whiff punish, it's just the "risky" option

If you have a combo breaker or you're generally high hp, it's worth consideration

Otherwise yeah blue is just the way to remain alive

[undone anchor]

[delicate oriole]

is the bow good in rank

[undone anchor]

Yes, very

[gaunt haven]

why everytime i try its not true but when ennemies did it is ?

[viscid kelp]

Your release timing could be minimally faster I think
However your main issue is framerate from what it looks like. However, on players it's gonna work more consistently than against the bot, since the bot is on 0ms

[dim abyss]

i agree with takao

when i do it, it looks almost the same and it lands

but when i do it i already released it at this point, you gotta know the timing by muscle memory to do it as fast as possible if you want that perfect timing

try increasing ur fps to the highest number u can get and try again

[errant mural]

How to aim better on controller w ranged weapin?

[gaunt haven]

ok im gonna try it more, i have a good fps so that just can be the timing

lol, i just try it rn and it works

@viscid kelp @dim abyss thanks

[dim abyss]

controller is not built for aiming, not much you can do

you can try increasing sensitivity if you feel like you cannot keep up with targets and then learn to control it

i recommend turning off aim assist because the guns are not hitscan and it can't predict their movements like you normally would have to

but no matter what it will not be as good as a mouse for aiming

[naive scaffold]

is there no way to swap armour even if its lower tier

without having to drag that shit out

empty purple with a full blue on the floor and i couldnt swap

[undone anchor]

@viscid kelp slide uppercut after Heng sword counter is ping abuse right?

[viscid kelp]

Depends how you mean it

The first attack of heng counter seems like a normal katana lmb in terms of stagger

So doing 1st heng counter hit into slide upper should be oke

[undone anchor]

The second one

Today I found someone in custom with a lag switch most likely

And they could pull off constantly the parry slide uppercut

Full parry

[naive scaffold]

perfect thanks

[heavy torrent]

better to use the counter key or lmb+rmb?

[viscid kelp]

Mechanically doesn't matter in almost all cases, but the single key press can avoid human input error

I touched on it in the pinned message about core game mechanics

[viscid kelp]

Not even sure if that's possible on high ping, but either way, anything but the first hit of heng parry shouldn't guarantee any uppercut

[empty heath]

[wary escarp]

A uppercut after the second hit is possible against human, but only if their ping is high enough, last time my friend ~60ms couldn't get out of it

[haughty mesa]

how much would levels would thsi give me? I'm lvl 70 in the pass and 68 in xp

[solar maple]

Probs 30 lvls

[errant mural]

What weapons would you guys wanna see added next ? Id personally like to see an odachi or urumi weapon.

Sorry in advance if this is the wrong channel for this sorta thing

[solar maple]

lowkey I want the chain sword

it’s similar to the weapon that momma Ning uses in showdown

Is thought it would be the longsword cogeneric

Some thought we would get it this season

But then they dropped the fist blades

God i love and hate those things

[undone anchor]

Definitely the right channel DW 👍👍👍👍

[orchid pivot]

weapon to master for beginner ?

[solar maple]

depends on what your objective is

[orchid pivot]

wdym ?? care to elaborate ? thank you for guiding me

[solar maple]

do you want the strongest weapon to blow past mfs now.
Or do you want the most standard weapon for practicing fundamentals

Or a weapon to suit your playstyle

Etc etc

[orchid pivot]

I'll go with the standard for the fundamentals

[solar maple]

Most standard is katana.

and their are tons of videos about it

[orchid pivot]

KATANA, noted

why do enemy always parry any of my attack?

[orchid pivot]

I'll focus on Katana

[solar maple]

hmmm for that

It’s complicated

It depends on what you are doing

could be making it obvious

[orchid pivot]

i mean literally all of my attacks

hahaha,

[solar maple]

hmm

Brb I’ll try to send you videos about combat

[orchid pivot]

thank you

[solar maple]

You might see something that gives you insight as to what you might be doing wrong

https://youtu.be/MZw3aPhmgiE?si=Yhels-i7htm97qKg

https://youtu.be/y59HE32pHqU?si=ulmqwK0S5F6fDYrl

these two are good ones to start with

[orchid pivot]

also. agains spear or staff

they always combo and hard to fight with them

they easily kill me,

[solar maple]

and while at it practice dodging instead of attempting to parry people. This should be one of your biggest sub focuses for now. Getting into the bad habit of parrying more so when you just started a fight can be a sure way to lose cus most of the time it’s a bait

[orchid pivot]

can i add you? there's a lot of question, i don't know if its ok in here

[solar maple]

I’d love to say yes

but I’m just a bloodbath main

It’s better if you wait for the pro players to wake up they will answer most questions with incredible detail

[orchid pivot]

it's ok, just some info

[undone anchor]

not a pro, but a combo addict here, what was the question=

?

[solar maple]

Oh yeah nah. Their questions are more about neutral not advantage stage

probs don’t even know what combos are in this game yet

[solar maple]

Basically asking why people parry all his attacks. And how to fight spear and staff

best starter weapon too

[orchid pivot]

can ia dd both of you?

[undone anchor]

can help with that aswell no prob 👍

[undone anchor]

sur

best help would be to join one of the weekly dojos we have here in the server; it's a free coaching session 👍

[solar maple]

Said wha

[orchid pivot]

dojo?

[solar maple]

they don’t just whoop you until you learn sum by attempting to copy them right?

[undone anchor]

nop

at least, i dont, and i am pretty sure that the other coaches dont aswell

maybe the advanced ones, but generally nop, it's a coaching session really well made

[solar maple]

holy

I might sign up

[undone anchor]

i really recommend it 👍

[solar maple]

I need to learn how to tech chase and run

yall do that?

[undone anchor]

depending on the needs yep 👍

[solar maple]

Cus I’ve been missing my tech chase attacks so much and people get away from me since wave roll was added to glyph

[orchid pivot]

Im suck on everythings, just started playing yesterday 🥹

[solar maple]

take my advice if you want to get good. Practice like ya mean it. and practice the right things

[undone anchor]

and how are you liking the game atm?

[orchid pivot]

i just die playing on 5mins playing solo, i cant hit a proper damage

[solar maple]

I’ve been playing since season 3 and I’m still an absolute goof

[orchid pivot]

they always parry or cancel/ 1st to attack

[orchid pivot]

I like the game, it's just i want to play better

[solar maple]

I’m glad I hope you become addicted

https://tenor.com/view/mine-he-he-he-funny-memes-gif-25060533

[orchid pivot]

can you watch me play. and tell me what's right and wrong?

[shadow light]

Not enough to justify using it

[undone anchor]

not at the moment, i got a meeting coming up in a few mins

[orchid pivot]

ok, thank you

[hazy charm]

I just 1v1'ed a really good player and asked him for a few tips after the match.

He said
"learn the true wep catches"
"longsword takes prio w rmb, but u do lmb uppercut"

Also "It's ping abuse"

Can anyone help me understand what he meant? I couldn't understand it fully and I tried to google/youtube it

[meager trail]

most of weapons lmb attack have stagger duration long enough to confirm an uppercut after, but for longsword it's rmb
if you do lmb into uppercut with ls then it's not true and your enemy could dodge your uppercut
the reason you're able to uppercut is bcoz you have better ping/fps, hence ping abuse

so what he's telling you is to use ls rmb to start the combo, not the lmb

[hazy charm]

Ahh okay I get it

[lusty cosmos]

You need to learn true combos, which work regardless of your latency. For longsword, you can uppercut after a vertical attack (rmb). Check the pinned for some true combos

[hazy charm]

So weapon catches would just be rmb for most, the lmb for longsword

[meager trail]

the opposite

[hazy charm]

Ye thanks, I was confused about the word catch in the context and I try to use lmb I just forget sometimes when I panic ^^

[lusty cosmos]

Also this link could help with learning optimal combos: http://nararaka.com/combos

[hazy charm]

Ye mb xD

[hazy charm]

Thanks!

[meager trail]

though it's not mandatory to use true combos all the times

sometimes untrue works

also worth to note that the attack that has shorter stagger duration usually got better reach

and usually used for tech chase

for example db/dh/kata/heng lmb into uppercut is true while rmb into uppercut is not, but their rmb got further reach

so you can do something like rmb > hold dodge > lmb > uppercut, though it's untrue but it does works sometimes

[hazy charm]

I see, but you would use other combos out of rmb then or more for mind gaming?

Aaaa I see thank you!

Good knowledge!

[meager trail]

all and all just learn and practice both true and untrue combos and adjust them during gameplay

[hazy charm]

Ye I've been trying to at least have one true combo for each weapon but I'm still missing some

[meager trail]

take your time

basic to advanced

[hazy charm]

Also focusing on mastering longsword so I have something I'm confident in ^^

It's fun tho

[meager trail]

sooner or later you gonna need to at least know the basics of all weapons

carry on

[haughty mesa]

whats up with this heroes asselmble thing?

is it alr over?

[undone anchor]

it's weekly, for the chamber

basically a big pve fight with your chamber to get some rewards

[haughty mesa]

it was supposed to be 45 mins ago. is it open for like only 15 mins or what

[undone anchor]

20

it lasts 20 mins

[haughty mesa]

ight, thx. I 8 mins late so yeah

[undone anchor]

yep

[haughty mesa]

im now in the arena, how do I join the battlefield?

[undone anchor]

for the heroes assemble?

[haughty mesa]

ye

[undone anchor]

press "y" or "z", depending on how your keyboard is set

[haughty mesa]

tysm

[normal yacht]

Naraka doesn’t follow it’s on rules when it comes to game play

[undone anchor]

Define that?

[solar maple]

Okay can anyone help me how the hell do you tech chase wave roll properly

I always miss or don’t have enough stamina to chase

[white olive]

learn the timing for catching the first dodge

if you wanna practice it you could go into custom action bot set it to do a move then dodge twice

[spiral cipher]

timestamped on video: https://youtu.be/gbtp2kRmlrk?si=vuMb6VwwVsk985vS&t=550
Anyone know how true this combo is?

[undone anchor]

Up until the first focus it's true

After that the enemy either was lagging absurdly or they had their hands off the keyboard

The lunge could be true, but you. Need to have the rampage jade

[spiral cipher]

Yea, just honestly shocked I haven’t seen rampage used like that before

[meager trail]

last blue prolly untrue

but you can do grapple > rmb > jump lmb

did it on combo bot and it couldn't escape, dunno if it works on real player

[viscid kelp]

That usage of rampage is p old, I recorded this in May of this year
Rampage just got nerfed at some point, making it a bit less consistent with terrain/attack angle

Ofc this combo as I recorded it is no longer possible cuz of slide uppercut grapple nerf

For the clip, last blue is ping/fps antics, can work, can fail

[spiral cipher]

jesus

[solar maple]

Did havoc ever get nerfed

How do you fight it

[viscid kelp]

Actually it has to be older than May I just realized, more like january-fabruary

[viscid kelp]

Not rly

For havoc you can just try to cover 2.0 with parry
If they fake it a lot, jump the 2.0 timing, grapple close, then jump again

This should give enough height to go over havoc

[solar maple]

lol that’s nice

[glossy charm]

Can someone please tell me what I’m doing wrong

I genuinely can’t do a grapple bump combo for the life of me

[keen grail]

Where's the general chat? Did it get nuked?

[naive plaza]

#💬┃general-chat

[undone anchor]

Grapple is too close

[meager trail]

[undone anchor]

woah, who is that monster

[meager trail]

idk

someone says it's CN rank 1 solo

but i have no idea

nevertheless that speed and that precision

just

[undone anchor]

yepyep

[glossy charm]

How far away is it supposed to be?

[undone anchor]

try looking at the end of the circle

the bot is most likely going to dodge out anyways if it's not perfect

but with LS grappling under your feet it's going to not work

it's better to grapple further away, in order to land under the target

[glossy charm]

i see

[undone anchor]

i can record u a clip in a bit maybe if you want 👍

[glossy charm]

ill try aiming further at the circle

[glossy charm]

yes pls

[undone anchor]

will take a while, since atm i am kinda busy

[undone anchor]

ty tabbie 👍

[glossy charm]

ohhhhhh i didnt know your crosshair could be outside of the circle

i kept aiming inside as close as possible

[meager trail]

it's also depends on your camera angle

for example with a camera angle like this you could grapple very far away like this and it works

[glossy charm]

i see i think i get it now

[undone anchor]

Mostly depends on the weapon too

Different weapon, different bumps

[meager trail]

yeah

[glossy charm]

btw when you are doing a grapple bump can you hold vertical while your grapple is still launching to charge it

[meager trail]

actually it's a must

to pre-input the blue

[glossy charm]

because the tutorial i wacthed said i shoujld hold vertical when i hear the bump happen

[glossy charm]

that makes it alot easier

i kept practicing holding it when the bump happened and it made me mess up so many times

[meager trail]

i hold vertical as soon as the uppercut comes out

[glossy charm]

i think i get what im supposed to do now thank you both 🙏

[low heron]

is there no general chat??

ok there is, every channel was turned off for some reason

[undone anchor]

#💬┃general-chat

[low heron]

thx, I found it now ^^

[undone anchor]

Np

[normal yacht]

I don’t see Naraka competing or being as popular as Fortnite it has way to many issues

[spiral cipher]

Are there less strenuous valda f2 longsword combos, I doubt I can get these off in a match compared to katana/heng sword combos

[spiral cipher]

Naraka won't ever compare to fortnite because they refuse to market and get insane collabs as often as fortnite

its not even a game issue

Also the skill gate is a whole different ballpark compared to fortnite which is just a shooter. Everyone knows how to point and click with aimlabs

[normal yacht]

Facts that’s what I like about Naraka although it’s leaving Xbox 1 soon it still has a long way to go it has way to many glitches and it breaks it’s on combat spectrum rules at times

[spiral cipher]

are you a console player?

[normal yacht]

Yea

[spiral cipher]

Personally I haven't seen any bad glitches or breaks in the past few months

Also complaining about game issues when using an outdated machine is kinda invalid

[normal yacht]

I have tons of videos of the glitches ppl disappearing that don’t possess that ability blocking issues dodging etc..

[spiral cipher]

Now that sounds like a ping/internet issue

[normal yacht]

lol it’s practically built for gaming bro

[spiral cipher]

built for gaming in 2013

its been 10 years man

software updates can't keep up with hardware issues

[normal yacht]

I think that’s why they leaving xb1

[spiral cipher]

And thats why you should upgrade your console so you realize why the game doesn't actually have the issues you're experiencing with it

[normal yacht]

You might be right I’m recently getting into gaming and got hooked on Naraka

[cinder thorn]

they need to buff bots again

they can cheat but are still boring as fuck to fight

[viscid kelp]

You can do something along the lines of this
The details don't matter as much, I just optimized it for damage a bit

I recommend putting the center bubble slightly behind the enemy, not right on top or in front of them
This adjusts the position of the other bubbles relative to you a bit forwards

Then afterwards place your grapple a bit to the left of the enemy rather than straight forward. This will bump them more towards the small bubble on the left so your uppercut can juggle them into it

[spiral cipher]

oh the weapon swapping tech is something i need to learn

im barely keeping up with the combo i posted

tys

[viscid kelp]

It's useful overall but not necessary to this combo ofc

No problem

[spiral cipher]

is the attack before the bubble a crouch horizontal?

[viscid kelp]

Yeah

[spiral cipher]

oh wait you have your layout right there

what is "c" bound to if you're using it when attacking?

[viscid kelp]

c is crouch, I use largely default keybinds

[spiral cipher]

ctrl is crouch too then?

[viscid kelp]

Nah, ctrl is the walk key

I use it as something called control tech
Basically hitting ctrl + a movement key avoids accidentally rolling when executing combos

You can keep ctrl + a movement key held or just buffer it like I do

It's optional

[spiral cipher]

oh jeez 🫠

gotcha

[viscid kelp]

Short example
If I hold just W during the uppercut, I will roll on grapple impact
If I hold ctrl + W I will not roll

The reason I say it's optional is that usually, as long as you don't input any movement key during the uppercut, you should never roll

[spiral cipher]

oh huh, interesting. Didn't think there was tech to prevent that. Thought it was just bad grapple placement/timing and you should just practice to fix it

[viscid kelp]

You can also hold A or D + lmb or rmb, which will instantly have you charge up a focus
But ctrl tech is more consistent and allows for other things than a focus or light attack

[viscid kelp]

Rolls can happen through weird things, most commonly they happen through a movement input anywhere during the uppercut or grapple
But they can also just happen through some netcode interactions

So it's not necessarily a skill issue if you roll on accident

These prevention measures are p good to have as habit

[spiral cipher]

I see, thank youi

[viscid kelp]

Np

[unique stone]

how can i make dual blades uppercut into focus true without grappling? just hitting focus as soon as i land?

[unique stone]

also holding the walk key will make it consistant then right?

[viscid kelp]

That's a ping reliant combo

[unique stone]

well then thats a nono for me rn, playing on 80 ping with a hotspot till friday lmao

[viscid kelp]

Walk + movement key avoids the roll upon grapple impact most consistently yes

[unique stone]

i did it like 4/10 times still tho

[viscid kelp]

On 80 ping it should work rather well

By ping reliant I mean it works better with higher ping

[final escarp]

Why does it work better with higher ping? I thought all the high ping --> high cV and co got changed so you only want low ping

[viscid kelp]

One specific netcode interaction did not disappear
The higher your ping, the less high you will go during an uppercut onto an opponent
I think this happens because due to the hit delay introduced by higher ping, you actually get stuck on your opponent during the uppercut animation. The higher your ping, the longer you get stuck, and the less you move upwards

Either way, this means you land faster on higher ping and thus get to charge more quickly -> connect 1.0

[final escarp]

holy

thanks

[viscid kelp]

To support my theory of the cause of it, if I stand further away to avoid colliding with the enemy, I go off the ground normally

Even at high ping

[final escarp]

so the combo won't work with 15 ping?

[viscid kelp]

Nope, no chance

[undone anchor]

here another example

[viscid kelp]

Works fine on 80ms tho

On players it probably works fine down to 60ms

[final escarp]

[final escarp]

Do ranged weapon have roundabout the same dps as melee weapons?

I feel a little bad sometimes standing a little away as support in trios and using ranged weapons instead of adding dmg with melee strikes when a teammate hits a combo

then again I often get caught when engaging to early in melee

[meager trail]

as long as you did good no one will complains

have you seen someone who's good with musket and they got a gold musket with armor piercing jade?

literally two shots people left and right

[wary escarp]

Musket has deal different damage to enemy at certain range
<10m and >80m deal the least damage
10-20 deal mediocre damage
20-80m deal the most damage

[woven void]

I love all the weapons in this game, but I can't decide which is my favorite.

Dagger, Katana, and Heng Sword are the top three, probably 🤔

[undone anchor]

fistblades, heng, fan are 👍

and staff

katana is definitely not strong :tjhum

[woven void]

Ayyy! Fistblades are super fun too! I love doing the quick dash and that gust to launch people

[undone anchor]

for a long time it was considered to be the weakest weapon

[woven void]

With the fan

Really? How come?

[undone anchor]

fan is insanely strong

good combos

[woven void]

Oh and to be clear, I was just talking about which weapons are my favorites 💪🏾

[undone anchor]

insanely long hold time, fast dash

[undone anchor]

oh, i see 👍

[woven void]

I don't know about the meta 😂

[undone anchor]

then pay no mind to what i worte

wrote*

[woven void]

Oh no, it's all good. That's good info to know 👍🏾

[spiral cipher]

what are some relevant combos with zai's f3?

only one i found on youtube was a staff uppercut into f3 into focus

[dim abyss]

i don't think you're supposed to combo with it

[meager trail]

zai F3 can combo? 🤔

[spiral cipher]

I was just wondering if its something you can be comboing or not, mb on phrasing

instead of it just being solely used for burn or escape

[undone anchor]

This is a good thing 🤔

Was the bot alive or not here? 🤔

Nvm, saw it 👍

[undone anchor]

I can try and look for a few possibilities if you want 🤔

[spiral cipher]

if you got free time to do so, that'd be pretty cool

[undone anchor]

I'll see what I can do 🤔

[indigo grove]

How do I try to get closer to people with melee weapons cuz I i sometimes don’t feel like using grapple hook to get close or run straight at them... unless I’m getting the idea wrong since I’m new to the game....

[undone anchor]

I would recommend hold dodging 👍

[indigo grove]

Isn’t that sprinting?

Cuz if I hold shift I would start running

[crude current]

Focus dashing. Hold focus dodge out it into a short sprint repeat

Some weapons get more distance with horizontal focus, some with vertical, some can do either, and some you can just do a normal horizontal or vertical atk instead of holding focus

[indigo grove]

is there a video to show this cuz im having trouble picturing it out how you would do it and stuff...

my brain is slow..

[wispy flax]

https://youtu.be/3ERpDpM4tck?feature=shared

The segment about focus dash begins at 01:25

But i think the whole video could be usefull for u

[indigo grove]

o oki

tyy

[undone anchor]

It's a shorter dodge; it does also start the running animation, but in the end it's a shorter dash that lets you attack faster compared to the tap dodge 🤔👍

[final escarp]

You can also use some focus atk, not necesarrily with releasing to close the distance

scalerush is also sometimes good

On another note, is it worth confirming with the bow after dagger focus horizontal? I tried and it works with 1 to 2 shots but then I'm pretty close to my enemy

[undone anchor]

Not worth

Unless they are on the ground

If u hit only headshots u got 3 hits you can do

Shot, dash back, shot instantly again, do it once again

It's going to create the distance you need

[glossy charm]

Is it possible to do a grapple bump combo on 60 ping

[pure steppe]

yes

[glossy charm]

Is it possible on console

[undone anchor]

Hard

[bronze bronze]

sheeesh

[undone anchor]

Nice!

[final escarp]

Is the fan infinite really patched? I know it was nerved but I was messing around in free training today and got 3 consecutive uppercuts a few times

[undone anchor]

Fan infinite is patched yeah

[glossy charm]

I could tell 😭😭

[old sable]

ive been told to counter by clicking both mouse buttons instead of doing quick counter but it doesnt seem to work??

it just normally attacks if i press both

[viscid kelp]

Enable composite parry in settings

[old sable]

thank you!

[river adder]

what is the difference?

[old sable]

from what i understand you cant spam it and perform other counter interactions with the quick one

[final escarp]

But why am I able to chain three uppercuts then? I'm struggling again with getting the direction but that's on me.

[spiral cipher]

Are you able to focus at the end of the 3?

[final escarp]

yes

I can't do it consistently atm but I was able to do it a few times in free training

[old sable]

what is hold dodge when i do that it just sprints or tap dodge

no idea if ishould ask here

[meager trail]

hold the dodge button instead of tapping it

[old sable]

it sprints

instead

[undone anchor]

Shouldn't be possible 🤔🤔🤔

Can you send me a clip if you manage to get one?

[undone anchor]

😂😂😂

[wispy flax]

if u just hold the dodge button without directional input, u can see that your character makes a step which, if used with a directional input, goes to a sprint

[undone anchor]

Problem for console are the FPS, that are too low 🤔👍

[undone anchor]

The hold dodge starts the running animation, but the beginning, before the running, it's a short dash, which is in fact the hold dodge

It's more evident when tooth picking 👍

[old sable]

thank you!

[undone anchor]

Np

[glossy charm]

60 fps is not enough?

[undone anchor]

Not really, no

[glossy charm]

damn that really sucks

[undone anchor]

You normally need 75+, but ideally 100+ 👍

[glossy charm]

so i wont be able to do a grapple bump combo no matter what unless i get more fps

[undone anchor]

u could do it, but it's insanely precise

[final escarp]

I haven't figured out why the enemy sometimes flies in another direction, I think I'm pressing W at the correct time; alongside Q

[undone anchor]

Yeah, 3 is the max 🤔👍

[final escarp]

Why are more not possible?

[meager trail]

cuz 3rd bump won't send enemy high enough

[undone anchor]

Yep

Already the last one you did is somewhat weird

It looks too low to permit an uppercut 🤔, but it does, so it's great

Wp for finding it

[viscid kelp]

It's just a green focus based interaction

You can displace someone in green focus

[final escarp]

What is green focus?

[undone anchor]

the disengage option on the bot

[final escarp]

is that also sth for actual players?

[undone anchor]

in qm yes

still not introduced in rank

[final escarp]

@viscid kelp Do you think the combo - cV, g, cV, g, f V - would be consistently possible?

on fan

[viscid kelp]

I doubt it, maybe with ping and a lot of frames

[devout niche]

hii so im trying to do the most basic grapple combo. I have no clue what any abbreviations mean or most terminology about fighting games in general, but im not mechanically dumb lol, but i still can't figure out why my last charge atk isnt hitting

[meager trail]

either FPS too low, ping too high, grapple too late, wrong grapple position, slow blue charge, or slow blue release

better give us a video of your attempt

[devout niche]

i'm at 72 fps or higher, 73ping, and from what i can tell im grappling as early as possible, at the tip of the white circle under the enemy, charging blue as early as needed and releasing as soon as possible

but i did join this server like an hour ago, and it wont let me send a clip :p

[meager trail]

few more chat and you should be able to

when your name turn green

[devout niche]

ohh lol okie

i've managed to do it once every 100 tries lmao

[meager trail]

the core of the combo is to use grappling hook to cancel the knock up animation

so you don't grapple after the weapon knock up animation finished

you grapple when it just touched target

[devout niche]

so i cancel the upper cut animation by grappeling?

[meager trail]

yes

but not too early
too early you cancel it completely

[devout niche]

Im able to do it once every like 30 times now lol, but even with the animation cancel every time my blue charge doesn't hit most of the time

[naive plaza]

You need to start charging blue when your grapple bump connects with the bot, i use the audio cue of that bump personally, also if you are performing a roll after your grapple bump youre hitting an input you shouldnt be and the roll delays your focus attack

[undone anchor]

you can start charging during the grapple animation technically 👍

[naive plaza]

I’m aware but for a newer player the audio cue of the bump might help them and then they can play around with earlier timings from there 🫡 personally anything earlier than that bump for me causes a jump vertical 🤷‍♀️

[undone anchor]

👍👍👍

[undone anchor]

If you use the windup animation for the grapple as a reference, and just keep the mouse button pressed down all the way it will instantly charge focus as soon as it can 👍

Sometimes it also cancels the bump

[final escarp]

Is the staff/bow combo - h, cV, aerial h, bow hs, slide V - a true infinite combo?

[meager trail]

no? cuz after the bow hs hit target gonna falls into the ground and the slide V won't knock them airborne

actually i doubt that you could even weapon swap fast enough and able to hit a bow hs while target is still airborne after the cV aerial H

[undone anchor]

U can't 🤔👍

[final escarp]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wqbLwfksOlc&pp=ygULc3RhZmYgY29tYm8%3D

It's the last combo in this video

at 5:12

[meager trail]

the bot stand up at the end, that's why he's able to pull off the staff cV

if it's real player they just gonna roll away, or they can just stay down and the staff cV won't knock them airborne

[lusty cosmos]

The video is 10 months old. They have changed certain mechanics since then , not sure if everything here will still work

[meager trail]

it's not even a combo bot lol

[final escarp]

thx

[lusty cosmos]

You can't do the grapple cancel from staff double charge anymore

[solar maple]

please some make a video on how to fight fist blades

Can you knock them out of charging when they are done charging? They have like no color like dual blades?

I haven’t managed to land an attack when they are done charging to prove it personally

[lusty cosmos]

An easy way to fight fistblades is by using verticality. That weapon is very grounded so if you are higher up they will have a hard time fighting you

[lusty cosmos]

You can, but they can also dodge while charging and punish with 2.0 focus. So it's risky. Trying to fight fistblades head on is generally going to be disadvantagous

[solar maple]

So if I’m in an inclosed space I’m just done for

Like pengali arena

[lusty cosmos]

No. You usually should have enough height to jump or double jump

[meager trail]

fistblade user will just abuse their annoying mechanic to bait out your attacks/parries or catching your dodges to then release their attack
but the whole mechanic rely on dashing which consume stamina so try to keep your distance so they have to spend stamina following you
once they're low on stamina it's easier to fight them cuz it limits what they could do next, also easier to catch the gap between their attacks

[solar maple]

What if they aren’t dumb enough to let their stammy go that low while close to me

[meager trail]

well, theory can only help you that much

there's a reason why everyone finds fistblade annoying to fight against

[solar maple]

I guess I just have to get abused by fist blades trying random nonsense until something works

If anything works

Katana/greatsword vs fistsblades hms

[orchid axle]

hi there im new in this game is there any way to not force blue thingy after i spam mouse button ?

i mean i could dodge to not do it but it will let the enemy run

[crude current]

Don't spam it

[meager trail]

actually enemy can always dodge out of your last blue attack of 3A (3 consecutive attacks ''spam'')

[crude current]

The 3rd atk after you spam horizontal or vertical atk is always a blue focus and easily can be parried or dodged

[meager trail]

as for how to not cast that 3rd blue attack you can dodge, jump, crouch, grapple, parry, use your abilities after the first 2

they reset the attacks chain and now you can start from 1st attack again

[crude current]

Once you land a light atk which is a normal "grey" atk you are guaranteed 1 more light atk hit. Just one. Use that to your advantage to uppercut on that 2nd hit to start a combo

Because Naraka, to put it simple, is a combo game. You can't just face roll and expect to win most fights

[orchid axle]

yea thats why i rarely go 1st

evn if im 1st its bec the rage timing wa so perfect

[devout niche]

grrrr i basically buffer anything as soon as possible but it still doesnt land

it still wont let me send any clips, but istg im doing the combo almost exactly like the pinned video and it only works occaisonally

oh now i can

[spiral cipher]

do longnote's yoto f2 combos still work? I can't tell if I'm bad or if it got removed

[devout niche]

I was able to clip one that worked and put it next to a clip that didn't.... wheres the difference T^T

[viscid kelp]

Just out of curiosity, why do you seem locked to ~72 fps

[devout niche]

Cause I chose to be lol, I don’t get consistently over 80fps anyway, so I’d rather be locked at 72 than be jumping between 60-144

I’m running on an omen gaming laptop, ryzen 5000 and a 3060

Though if a higher frame rate is required to pull off that combo, that’s kinda insane and I might just go back to regular arena fighters

[viscid kelp]

On players due to netcode the combo will likely work regardless, the free training bot just makes it a lot harder

It cancels desync and is on effectively 0ms, so it dodges things that otherwise can't be dodged

But yes framerate affects the ease of execution on combos

[devout niche]

hmmm so if i were to do this combo on someone ingame it would most likely land even if theres a small gap where the combos is lost?

[viscid kelp]

On flat terrain it will likely land on any player if you execute it with good timing

This used to be a bit different, so you might find statements that state otherwise, but atm combos get harder/less consistent/less possible the higher your ping and the lower your framerate

The reason for ping is that it causes hit delay, which means attacks take more time to actually connect and cause stagger. For grapple bumps for example, this causes the enemy to not go as high as they would on lower ping, because your hit delay makes the game think your bump occurred at a later point in time -> enemy had more time to drop low
Regarding framerate, the game is built on Unity engine, which is notorious for being a bit jank. Higher framerate actually causes you to have faster animations. This can allow you to hit/juggle opponents faster and thus keep them airborne more easily/have more time to connect a focus

The reason why I say that it will likely connect on players in real games is because in a real game scenario, ping introduces desync and (more) rubber banding
For roughly 1-2 seconds, a player that has been knocked to the ground cannot perform any action other than the wakeup roll, which is forced upon pressing any movement key. Only abilities that can be used under attack can be used in that state, no other ability, attack or movement input will do anything
So when you do knock somebody on the ground, you will most likely rubber band them out of their wakeup roll back into your focus, allowing it to connect. Nothing else to worry about, since no other action is possible

[devout niche]

will try ingame, assuming i dont get combod first T^T

[wary escarp]

Well... there is something about fistblades that is really stupid

Fistblades tap dodge has couple of frames at the end of their dodge in which they are neither in i-frames or blue focus

But that's something bots can make use of and not real player lmao

A bot hold focus, wait for me to tap dodge backward and stagger me with grapple lmao. This is the whole reason I know this

[viscid kelp]

Given that fistblade focus tap dodging can entirely avoid things like Zai V2 meter drump or aurora burst by continuously tap dodging, I doubt that there is vulnerability frames anywhere in it

In fact I'm pretty sure if somehow it was vulnerable anywhere within its focus tap dodge, people would have long figured it out

Because that would actually make the weapon balanced

Can't have that in Naraka 2024

[solar maple]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-approves-pedrorc-pedroredcerberus-yes-agree-gif-11599348

…I knew it

I honestly stay wishing we got the damn chain sword instead of this crap

Would’ve been way easier to deal with and balance

just a long sword with a focus that has a longer stagger pretty much

[wary escarp]

It is not anymore since it comes out of test server no?

It can tap dodge things like PS vertical 3rd charge, nunnies horizontal focus but not things like DH/DB

Unless this is another FPS related bs

[solar maple]

Yeah it’s probs fps reliant

We really need an fps cap fam

[naive plaza]

there was a feedback post about fps cap that the staff replied to but then the server got hacked and all those posts disappeared, i just hope they havent forgotten

[undone anchor]

U sure about that?

[viscid kelp]

No vulnerability here

And here the same against DH 2.0 with 55fps

[wary escarp]

I really wish I can see the video right now, but either my discord or my internet bugged out

I tested it myself and can't never dodge it

[solar maple]

Hell yeah

Chain sword would’ve be vastly easier to fight and balance than fist blades

[undone anchor]

U don't know what they would've developed it to

[solar maple]

They have chain sword in other games they made

It’s not that bad

[undone anchor]

I'm not convinced 🤔

[final escarp]

Is halberd cV g fV true?

ok it is, nvmd

[cinder thorn]

what are the odds of them nerfing the hitstun, iframes, cloudweaver startup, or any other broken features of the weapon

i feel like fistblades are too obviously broken compared to other weapons

[final escarp]

Why did it work the second but not the first time?

[undone anchor]

Basically grapple combo, yeah

[final escarp]

Can you take a look at the clip I sent?

[undone anchor]

Judging by the video stutter, I would say it's a FPS problem 🤔

Aside from that the grapple distance is different in the two attempts, try working with that 🤔👍

[final escarp]

thank you

[undone anchor]

Np

[viscid kelp]

Mmmh, I'm not sure
I know of some CN top players who also hate that weapon, so there is a chance they might listen and give it clearer weaknesses
On the other hand they've been adjusting it, but in insignificant ways, so maybe they're mostly happy with it

Which would be pathetic, but alas

[undone anchor]

i think FB issue atm is the flawless blue release and charge while dashing

you are always second guessing what you can and cant do , while they can pretty much just spam

[naive plaza]

Fistblades break what I consider to be a core mechanic of naraka and when devs start breaking the core mechanics I feel like the game inevitably goes downhill :/

If you force someone to dodge your attack, ability, ult etc they should LOSE the pressure that holding blue gives you. Being able to dodge and maintain/increase your focus attack to the next stage is ridiculous imo

[solar maple]

Preach sis

[viscid kelp]

As long as an enemy is free to act (i.e. not animation locked or staggered), essentially everything you do can be punished
If you overhold you can get released on
If you release in any way, you can get parried or caught during recovery frames of your focus depending on which one you released
If you dodge close, you can get hit by a light or focus attack
If you dodge far, you can get chased with a light
If you parry, you can get overheld
If you crouch/jump cancel, you can get hit or grappled

Essentially, whenever you apply pressure but want to adjust your position/state in any way, you take a risk, there's no way around it in this game. As long as the enemy can move freely, very few actions are safe, and those that are usually aren't of aggressive nature

Allowing fistblades to maintain the pressure of a charged focus while also allowing the user to freely choose how much risk they want to take with a low stam cost dodge that has no vulnerable frames just breaks so many rules of that entire idea
The only way a fistblade user can be punished is if they commit to a risky attack and their opponent predicts it well, in all other cases they just don't care about the risky nature of performing actions in this game

[viscid kelp]

I fully agree with this essentially

Fistblades is an abomination that betrays core concepts of this game

and in conjunction with characters getting more and more overpowered, this development does not bode well for Naraka at all imo

[undone anchor]

yep 👍

well explained

[wary escarp]

The first release was a bit slower than the second

[wary escarp]

In my case, there is a just so small vulnerability here

Oh f*ck this game, if I spam it fast enough I can i-frames connect 2 dodges

I take it back, this shit has no fucking vulnerability

If there is any, only bot can make use of it

[wary escarp]

however, for me, the timing is either pretty strict or the rubberbanding do all the horrible stuff. Which I mean it pretty hard to pull off

[undone anchor]

For me it works with a spam

[wary escarp]

I cannot

[wise coral]

🙇‍♂️ When a Certified Sweat™ has a moment could they look at this and tell me where I'm going wrong? I feel like I'm still too slow, yet I'm inputting "sheathe" as my c-V bumbs them up ,shifting, then scrollwheel- vertical as soon as soon I see my staff fade to sheathed. (forgot to record fps too, but its usually 200+ so I feel like this is a skill issue not hardware limited)

hmm uploaded as a file not video on dc mb ill try to fix

[undone anchor]

sure, when you got the clip send it 👍

[viscid kelp]

https://youtu.be/LK0f7Cj5wCA?si=6ufkTOcjVUwblKRD

Watch this guide

There is a dodge input in 211 which you're either not doing at all or doing at wrong timing

[wise coral]

I was dodging but it must’ve been at the wrong time. Also I was only dodging without using a movement key (w) unlike her👀

[wise coral]

Ty ty🙇‍♂️ I’ll work on the dodge timing when I can get back on

[viscid kelp]

Isolated video with inputs for it

npnp

[teal root]

Guys if I played on Epic can I log in on Steam with my account?

or I have to keep using Epic?