#📖┃lore-discussion

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bleak kernel
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From the story, Huanyue appears to be the same person as Temulch's grandmother.
She was also one of Psylith's Heralds who was tricked and used by Nuxin - Tessa's mother, Wuchen's teacher.
Justina, Matari and Temulch are the canonical three who take part in these two fights. Justina met them on her way, as we can see.
Justina seemed to be following Viper? And Matari and Temulch had been traveling together for some time.
Justina seems to have figured out that the Heralds are the real enemies.

sick stone
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huanyue is not temulch's grandmother by blood
canis king is not his grandfather either, cuz canis king died 300 years ago, temulch is just his descendant
matari real identity is still unknown, she might be daughter of the aquilla herself not just a descendant

bleak kernel
# sick stone huanyue is not temulch's grandmother by blood canis king is not his grandfather...

Yes, I also think that she isn't Temulch's literal "grandmother", but grandmother in the sense that she was a wise old lady/grandmother to his entire tribe.
Matari may indeed be the current Daughter of Aquila, there have been hints of this in previous stories and Huanyue also seems to suggest it. I don't think she's immortal or even long-lived though. She seems to be getting older and worrying about getting older. But that's just my take on it.

strong lance
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Actually the story really doesn't have much to do with Justina this time around, Justina is set up to really hate Herald because she's the Princess of the WuJi Empire, and from a God's point of view Herald's various forces are influencing the WuJi empire and causing her to lose everything

sick stone
# bleak kernel Yes, I also think that she isn't Temulch's literal "grandmother", but grandmothe...

yes, if you read wuchen cultivation story in chinese, wuchen is the one who beat huanyue and bring her back to hidden clan by order of Omnius, this detail was on his comic also
and when wuchen fought huanyue temulch is still just a child, ''the canis tribe great sorceress Satuya'' that temulch call ''granny'' appeared to be a very old woman at first but when wuchen teleported them away for a fight she turned into a 30-years old looking woman - that's Huanyue real appearance

sick stone
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it was mentioned on her cultivation story

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and matari age has always been ''unknown''

bleak kernel
# sick stone yes, if you read wuchen cultivation story in chinese, wuchen is the one who beat...

I didn't read anything in Chinese sources, the same is in the English version.
The grandma seems to be the same one Wuchen is trying to trick and fight in his stories and the one who warns Temulch in his stories and sends him to save their tribe, but Temulch was only an early teen at the time and didn't make it in time. Then he is saved by this Agis, for whom he later works as a gladiator for years.

sick stone
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anyway her old woman appearance that she used is just to hide the fact that she's a herald who have lived for 300+ years

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so it won't freak out anyone of the canis tribe

bleak kernel
sick stone
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she still might be related to temulch by blood cuz no one knows if there's a chemistry between her and the canis king

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but she's definitely not temulch's grandmother

bleak kernel
sick stone
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yeah that's why i always use the chinese version as the source and i say it anytime i quote the cultivation stories

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because there might be differences between chinese and english

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huge differences

bleak kernel
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That's only natural. There are more details in the Chinese version for sure, since that's the original version, although it will be rather difficult to decipher for anyone other than natives and additionally those who can see the hidden meaning, metaphors, references, etc.

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It's a pity then that the English version doesn't have better translations.

sick stone
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yeah

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but matari did indeed killed her mentor

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for some reason

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matari's real identity is a mystery
she might be descendant of the holoroth heroine, she might be the heroine herself or she might act as a host for the heroine spirit

bleak kernel
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So who is Matari's mentor?

sick stone
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which requires she to kill the previous host or somethingg

bleak kernel
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It might be a reincarnation or possession, there are many options.

sick stone
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also there's a difference in this item description

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between english and chinese

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on chinese it directly says that the student is matari and the mentor/master died by her hand

bleak kernel
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Well, here too it's easy to guess that it's about Matari and her master.
I understand that it's not known who this master is?
In the Chinese version is it also a he? Or a she? Or is it not known what gender it is?

strong lance
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you mean this？

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sick stone
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迦南的老师每次用过“残霄”后,都会怜惜地将它
擦拭干净。
命丧迦南之手的那一天,老师也同样擦掉了飞溅到
“残霄”上的鲜红污渍,才将它塞进迦南的手里。

strong lance
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这把匕首曾属于迦南的老师，被她盯上的目标，从未有人能活过当夜。
在老师倒在迦南的怀中时，也把这柄匕首塞到了迦南的手中……

sick stone
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wait why is your item description is different compare to mine lmfao

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despite using the same language

strong lance
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The dagger had belonged to Matari's teacher, and no one targeted by her had ever survived that night.
As the teacher fell into Matari's arms, she also slipped this dagger into Matari's hands ......

sick stone
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Canaan’s teacher would always gently wipe "Canxiao" clean after each use.
On the day she died at Canaan’s hands, the teacher did the same—she wiped the bright red stains off "Canxiao" before placing it into Canaan’s hand.

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bruh

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😂

bleak kernel
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So the gender is translated incorrectly in either the first or the second case, because this master cannot be both a he and a she. 😄

sick stone
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it's a she

bleak kernel
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So the English description in the game for this weapon should be corrected. And maybe that was the Daughter of Aquila then.

sick stone
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on this one even the english said that her mentor is a woman lol

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yeah just the eng description for the dagger skin is wrong

strong lance
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i think it is same

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not wrong

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just more detail

sick stone
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tbf chinese doesn't have third person pronouns so if you don't know about the context it's easy to make a mistake when translating them

strong lance
sick stone
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ah ok

strong lance
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we do have

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他is he

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她 is she

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它is it

bleak kernel
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It's a problem with English that basic English is too genderless, one could say.
Most languages ​​have very clear ways of marking the gender of the person and object being talked about. 😄

sick stone
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isn't it usually you just use 他?

strong lance
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no

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Sex-dependent

sick stone
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ah ok

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anyway

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the new dagger description specifically mentioned that matari killed her mentor

strong lance
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Sure

sick stone
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for unknown reason

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it doesn't looks like a betrayal

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or conflict

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so my theory is for her to ''inherit'' the daughter of the aquilla ''title/spirit/whatever'' she got to kill the previous one

bleak kernel
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It's certainly interesting new information.
Maybe there's something to your theory, but who knows. Maybe it's betrayal, revenge or something else, I wouldn't rule it out.
Maybe sooner or later we'll finally learn more about Matari's past. She's very reserved, but it seems she trusts Temulch, so maybe she'll spill the beans at some point.

sick stone
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well only if she could see the real enemy being heralds not canis king and his tribe

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but still, the one who destroyed her whole country is canis king

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temulch's ancestor

bleak kernel
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From recent stories it appears that Matari already looks at it properly.

sick stone
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yea

bleak kernel
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From the Wuchen comic and Tianhai's stories we know that Heralds are true enemies of humans who exploit them through the mask.
Maybe this generation of heroes will figure out a way to get rid of the mask and work together to save the world in a better way without using it.
Huanyue said that Temulch is stronger without a mask than his greatest ancestor Canis King was with a mask. It was quite touching and optimistic.

simple python
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It's interesting

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At first I thought thats Justinas mom that Viper killed

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Haha

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bleak kernel
# simple python At first I thought thats Justinas mom that Viper killed

Oh, did you think Huanyue was Justina's mother? No, no, they have a power of cold in their maternal line and Huanyue is a wolf, has a power of wind like Temulch. She's just partially dressed in white.
Justina and Viper are first cousins on their fathers' side. Maybe they're more distant cousins on mothers' side too since both their mothers are from Yushan. The power of cold is apparently some kind of legacy from Yushan, related to Moonbane.

bleak kernel
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It depends on what exactly you mean. There were various events in the game over time and someone still has something from them only in case of saving screens or videos, etc. Like the short stories from the last event with Tarka, Zai and Valda.
The staff members don't seem to keep it anywhere, except for translated comic and atlas, do they? Only what is on the official Naraka website and on YouTube, old videos, I guess. Some of them are probably also shared by players.
Chances are there may have been something on this channel in the past that would interest you, so you'll just have to scroll back.

bleak kernel
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No one else has answered, so I'll say - probably not, but I don't know.
Someone among players would have to organize and put together in one place all the lore and, I guess again, no one is stepping up to do so.
Search on YouTube, maybe you'll find someone like that. I only saw once someone reading aloud the stories of characters from cultivation, but I came across it by accident, I wasn't looking for it.
You can read characters' stories from cultivation and showdown on your own, after unlocking them. There are also bits of stories on various items.

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sick stone
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if naraka global scene is bigger OR someone pay me enough i can make an youtube channel exclusively about naraka lores, easily
but both conditions doesn't exists lmfao

bleak kernel
sick stone
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oh yeah i'm definitely not passionate enough to do those w/o getting anything back

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cuz i know when i started on something i gonna make it the best, do my research deeply and carefully, get all the materials such as stories, images, theories etc

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then to make the actual video with all the editing and narrator

bleak kernel
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Yes, that's exactly what enthusiasts have generally done for free, out of their own free will - not that they were asked by anyone, even in much smaller games than Naraka. But times change, people change... And Naraka clearly doesn't have a dedicated enough fan base for now.

sick stone
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also naraka universe is not really that big

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the potential is meh

bleak kernel
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Hmm, I honestly wonder why you care about the lore if that's your opinion about it. 🙂 But it's your business, I also don't want to go off-topic here.

sick stone
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lol i care about it doesn't means that it's the best thing ever existed

bleak kernel
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No one wrote it's the best thing that ever existed.
People would just want to know the story of the game, it's normal. Even in more shallow and smaller games than Naraka.

sick stone
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and who says anything about people want to know the story of the game?

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am i not allowed to say my opinion that naraka universe is not that big and there's not much potential to dig?

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even if i say it's as dumb as a teenager romance fanfic there's no one could tell me that i can't say so

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alright?

bleak kernel
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Dudvid and oxchre and Ritmo seem like they would want to know more.
You didn't reply to them and you have the right not to.

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However, I don't know what you are actually arguing with me about now.

sick stone
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arguing?
i'm simply replying to you saying you ''wonder why i care about the lore if my opinion about naraka universe is it's not that big''

bleak kernel
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I replied to your "the potential is meh", which logically must mean the story, the lore doesn't have a good potential in your eyes.
I wrote that I wonder why you care about lore, it's obvious that you care more than me and for much longer, if you have a very poor opinion about it's potential. If you see many possibilities and think about it a lot then it means quite the opposite - potential is great, not bad.
Another issue is whether the potential is being used well or not.
It's just my opinion, you know, about your stated opinion, so to speak. 😄
You have a right to your opinion, as I have a right to mine. 🙂 But as I wrote, I prefer not to stray into offtopic.

sick stone
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that's the thing, there's not that many possibilities

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so the potential is meh

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lol so i say my opinion and you say your opinion which is my opinion is a poor opinion? then i can totally say my opinion that your opinion about my opinion is a poor opinion too right? 😂 so what are you trying to do here?

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it's just funny how you tried to force your opinion on me about what i said about ''naraka lore doesn't have much potential'' THEN you come with the ''don't want to go off-topic''

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you don't want to go off-topic then don't tell me my opinion is a poor opinion just because it's not the same with your opinion

bleak kernel
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I have no problem with you thinking your way. Or freaky shayol writing Shayol is his or her wife. 😄
It doesn't make logical sense to me, but it doesn't have to.
I hope I can count on reciprocity that it doesn't bother you that I or others may think differently?
About offtopic, I mean specifically doing charity work as a passionate fan, because a lot could be written about it, but that isn't the topic of this channel. I emphasized that I don't think it's a good idea to go further in direction of this topic here.
The limits of possibilities are the limits of imagination.
Everyone has a different imagination, so in other words I think there is no need to demotivate people who would like to speculate or learn more about characters and stories. It serves no good purpose.
I think it would be nice if more people were discussing on this channel. Would you rather others to think it isn't worth their time? I hope not.

bleak kernel
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@sick stone @bleak kernel try and keep the paragraphs to a minimum

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bleak kernel
# cursive badge Thank you! I want to find out more about Naraka lore, but this drive seems to be...

I agree that this Google collection is older, but what's there is still valid. It's just that since then new characters and new stories have appeared.
There're also hints there concerning which Chinese names are which names in our English version of the game.
There's definitely more various information on the Chinese website if you look at each tab and translate it. Depends how much you want to translate and how deeply you want to dig into various tabs of this website. 😄
There're no such descriptions inside the game, or at least I haven't seen them anywhere.

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"Age: 25
Birthplace: Kunlun Mountain
Identity: Kunlun Xuannv
Favorite food: None
Hate food: Barbeque, mutton
Hobbies: Playing the flute, colorful clothes
Hate: The lifeless Kunlun Religion, unfaithful people
CV: Huang Ying"

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"Twenty-five years ago, the eighth prince of the Wuji Empire was defeated in the Huoluo Kingdom. He fled to the snowy mountains and was rescued by Kunlun Xuannu Ning Wushuang. The two secretly fell in love. After Ning Wushuang took over as the Kunlun mistress, she found that she was pregnant. At this time, the eighth prince fled with the next Xuannu Gu Feixue. The angry Kunlun mistress placed all her hopes and resentments on her newly born daughter.
Therefore, Ning Hongye has been subjected to extremely strict training since childhood. After becoming Kunlun Xuannu, Ning Hongye can feel the world with the breath of Yin Shen.
Unlike the Kunlun Xuannu of previous generations, Ning Hongye is more like the executioner of Kunlun Sect. He has no feelings of his own, only killing. Those enemies chased by Ning Hongye are like hares waiting to be slaughtered in the trap of poisonous snakes.
After a mission in Yongzhou of the Wuji Empire, Ning Hongye met Gu Qinghan by chance, and the two hit it off at first sight. But the good times didn't last long. Ning Hongye accidentally saw Gu Qinghan using the ice qi, and then found out that his mother Gu Feixue was the Kunlun traitor many years ago. Gu Feixue used a secret to exchange her daughter's life, but she died under Ning Hongye's sword. From then on, Gu Qinghan and Ning Hongye had a feud to kill their mother. ......
In the following years, Ning Hongye avoided Gu Qinghan's pursuit while making a name for himself as "Wu Ming Chi Lian" in the martial arts world.
This time, Ning Hongye got a new mission, to go to Ju Kuzhou to seize the immortal mask and make the final preparations for the resurrection of the Yin God Zhulong. But at this time, Ning Hongye had his own plans."

It's translated by Google.

bleak kernel
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Paradoxically, this new event is a new source of some information, although a very chaotic source. Tessa_Laugh

obsidian frigate
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whats this

sick stone
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wdym what's that

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it's the LOOOOREEE

obsidian frigate
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Heralds' Yin-Yang True Qi Yin-Yang is of unparalleled purity. Whats this Yin yang True Qi Yin Yang

sick stone
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herald's yin yang qi is much more pure than human so wearing the mask make them die earlier compare to when a human wearing it

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that's why they don't wear it but make the herald's trial with the mask as the ''reward'' so some hooman get to wear it

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to absorb its yin energy to delay moonbane's ressurection

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# obsidian frigate Heralds' Yin-Yang True Qi Yin-Yang is of unparalleled purity. Whats this Yin yan...

Yin and Yang are two opposing but complementary energies that the universe is based on. Qi is life energy, essence.
From Yin and Yang five elements are created (fire, water, earth, metal, wood) and from them everything else in the universe.
Yin - darkness, night, cold, even numbers, introversion, female and so on. Yang - light, day, heat, odd numbers, extraversion, male and so on.
In order for things to be well and healthy, Yin and Yang must be in harmony.
These are the assumptions of Chinese philosophy.
Moonbane is a god of Yin and Sunwing is a god of Yang in Naraka.
In Naraka's comic and myth, it's said that the Heralds are a humanoid species that has the perfect and pure proportions of Yin and Yang energy within themselves, so putting on the mask of immortality, which is a huge source of Yin, kills them instantly compared to humans who have impure and imperfect proportions, so they are able to withstand it longer. But it also destroys them in the end, it just takes longer.
The Heralds use humans to wear out the mask so that Moonbane doesn't revive faster than Sunwing, because that would mean disaster.
Sunwing almost killed Moonbane earlier, because Moonbane was weakened by humans, but then a human man killed Sunwing - he was the founder of the empire that Justina hails from, from what I understand. This man is seen and described by Wuchen's mother in the comic as a hero.
As tabbie wrote too.

night girder
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new ice build doesnt need scorch right?

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also can we only get 1 rare substat from rolling? and the 2nd needed to be imbued?

strong lance
night girder
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oh yewah im drunk

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hahaha

bleak kernel
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@strong lance
Quick questions. Can you answer them?
Is Lord Qi the same person as the 8th Prince of Icuria?
Has the 8th Prince of Icuria taken the position of the current crown prince of Icuria during the time of Shayol's cultivation stories and current times of Showdown?
Or is he the current emperor after his father? If yes, what happened to the previous emperor?
Are Annicas emperor's assassins or 8th prince's assassins?
Is it known what happened with the former Crown Prince of Icuria, Justina's father and Daelyn's husband? Is he still alive? Did Justina find him?
What was Justina's surname before she changed it to Daelyn's Gu surname? Was the surname Wei, like Shayol's surname?
Was Wei Changqing and the former Crown Prince of Icuria the same person?
If not, who was Wei Changqing in relation to the former crown prince? 🤔 A friend? Enemy?

strong lance
# bleak kernel <@1313390906732449806> Quick questions. Can you answer them? Is Lord Qi the sam...

Yes
1.The Prince of Qi is the eighth prince.
2.Prince of Qi betrayed his older brother, the crown prince, for the throne.
3.Annicas is an assassin organization loyal to another prince, the Prince of Chu.
4.In the current storyline, the crown prince is not dead. He fled to the south, where he was rescued by Tessa and gained her support.
5.The royal family of the Icuria Empire is surnamed Shen.Justina's father is the crown prince, so his surname is Shen.（It has nothing to do with Feria. They are two words with similar pronunciations.Royal surname is 申，Feria‘s surname is 沈）
6.Wei Changqing is former Chief of the Golden Keepers He was loyal to the Prince of Qi and participated in the rebellion against the crown prince.When the crown prince's supporters launched a counterattack, his entire family was killed.（Prince of Qi told Shayol that Shayol is Wei’s child But could this be a lie?）

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bleak kernel
# strong lance Yes 1.The Prince of Qi is the eighth prince. 2.Prince of Qi betrayed his older ...

@strong lance
Thanks for your answers!

  1. & 6. Good to know, I was guessing the same.
  2. Yes, but the 8th Prince / The Prince of Qi or - as he is translated inside the game - Lord Qi is the current Crown Prince of Icuria? Or the current Emperor of Icuria? Or we don't know yet which one? Or has his position not changed at imperial court, but in practice he now controls everything?
    On one of Shayol's clothes it's written about Lord Qi sitting on a throne in the English description, but it isn't clear if it's Icuria Emperor's throne or another throne or seat of honor of lesser importance.
  3. I see, that's interesting. Are there more info available inside the game or on Chinese websites about Prince of Chu? I don't remember now.
  4. I understand. Then it's indeed problematic to translate, because without Chinese sings it seems like the same surname. Translators would have to come up with another English name for the imperial surname.
sick stone
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well actually lord Qi rebelious act was supported by the Emperor himself or you could even say that the Emperor is the one who's pulling the strings, according to this Justina head accessory

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both golden keepers and annica is under Emperor's command, he was behind the rebelious act to get rid of crown prince, then hee gave lord Qi Golden Keepers and lord Chu Annica (Zai cultivation story)

bleak kernel
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Yes, you wrote about that on this channel before.
But is Emperor still alive or has he been replaced by 8th Prince Qi, since he was pushing for power. 🤔

sick stone
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he's still the emperor

bleak kernel
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ok

sick stone
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this shayol face accessory got different description in chinese

bleak kernel
sick stone
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in chinese it says ''lord Qi said to Shayol: good, sharing the emperor's burden is ours duty''

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so the emperor is still the emperor

bleak kernel
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Do we know the Emperor's name?

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bleak kernel
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Yes, I guess Zai's stories are more detailes in Chinese too, but what can we do.

sick stone
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in the chinese version, all annica assassins was injected with some kind of ''worm'', sort of a voodoo technique, there's the ''mother worm'' and the ''child worm'' in which whoever hold the mother worm could command ppl with child worm and they'll have to obey

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and the emperor handled this mother worm to lord Chu, hence he was able to command annicas

bleak kernel
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It's actually similar story to Baldur's Gate III.

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I mean the worms and their use.
Maybe that's why it wasn't translated yet to the international version of Naraka.

sick stone
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so it looks like crown prince's military power was growing too big and it make the emperor nervous

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so he secretly command lord Qi to start the rebelious act, get rid of crown prince
then he gave lord Qi golden keepers, and lord Chu annica

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to balance the power between his sons, make them against eachother

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also the whole ''Wei family got wiped, their mansion burned away in fire is an act of crown prince's supporters'' thing may very well be untrue

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Lord Qi might be the one who get rid of Wei family simply because they know too much

bleak kernel
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Wasn't Wei's Mansion and former Crown Prince's Mansion burned on the same day?
I am not rulling out that Wei could be eliminated by Lord Qi, even if he was his supporter.

sick stone
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i don't think it's the same day, tho really close yes

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and this is entirely my theory but i think Ji family got something in this

bleak kernel
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Tarka's family?

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yes

bleak kernel
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Lyam's family too?

sick stone
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it's the fire which burned both crown prince family and wei family

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bleak kernel
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Yes, I know from his stories. That's why I am asking if you think his family was involved too. Their families are somewhat close. Both are among the biggest families in Icuria, it seems.

sick stone
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nah my theory is just about how both crown prince family and wei family got burned

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and who got the power of fire? the Ji family

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and yes they're one of the big 5 families of icuria

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it's also the reason why lord Chu wants Zai that bad

bleak kernel
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So someone from Ji family was the arsonist in this incident?

sick stone
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cuz she's from Ji

bleak kernel
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Yes, yes.

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It's hard to miss this detail that she's Tarka's younger sister. 🙂

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bleak kernel
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In Tarka's or Zai's stories there was something about her killing their aunt?

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that's not their aunt, it's just their nanny

bleak kernel
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Oh, ok.

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the story of zai is when she's born there's an daoist who made a prophecy that she'll be Ji family's doom
so the Ji elders order zai's father to kill her
zai's father then stab her in her heart but her heart was on the right side not left side, so she survived (but the elder didn't know that)

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her father then secretly bring her to her nanny and order her nanny to take care of her

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but this nanny hated zai's mom (she was a servant of zai's mom)

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so she bring zai to a human trafficker

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then this person sells zai away to annica

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both the nanny and the human trafficker got killed by zai as we already know via her cultivation story

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so she's ''slowly unlocking her forgotten past''

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and in recent cinematic she killed the Ji elder too

bleak kernel
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Then their father wasn't completely bad and didn't want her dead? But Tarka thinks he did?

sick stone
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yeah

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their father didn't want to kill zai

bleak kernel
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And she didn't kill her father but one of Ji elders that wanted her dead?

sick stone
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alot of ppl mistaking this part and also mistaking the fat dude (Ji elder) that zai killed in recent cinematic is her father

bleak kernel
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I personally didn't think about it until now, to be honest.
I only watched this cinematic once and didn't pay attention to who she might be killing there. 🙂

sick stone
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the fat old dude seems to be Ji family current leader

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history is repeating

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lord Qi get rid of Wei, now lord Chu get rid of Ji

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the 2 families that supported them in the past in the rebelious act against crown prince

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tho it's not confirmed but

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yea

bleak kernel
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So Ji family was or is imperial Prince / Lord Chu's supporter?

sick stone
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they're one of the big 5 families of icuria, it's unknow which sides they took but as i said i'm suspecting the Ji got their hands into this because of the details that both crown prince and wei family's place was burned away in fire

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and lord Chu does said that he ''wants a deadly blade against the Ji''

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in Zai's cultivation story

bleak kernel
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I see, it's possible.

bleak kernel
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Or it isn't explained yet?

sick stone
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it's just a character that serve the story telling purpose i think

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like there's this female emperor in the past which started off an emperor's cocubine but then she overthrown him and became emperor herself

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or something like that

bleak kernel
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Then she is like Wu Zetian.

sick stone
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oh yeah

bleak kernel
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Justina's horoscope was changed by Daelyn.

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Wu Zetian also had a bad horoscope.

sick stone
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alot of naraka's characters was inspired from real life

bleak kernel
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Yes, it's visible.

sick stone
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canis king/wolf king is temujin

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jilling emperor is qin shi huang

bleak kernel
sick stone
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yeah

bleak kernel
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That makes sense. Grasslands tribes resemble Mongols or Berbers, etc.

sick stone
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also

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temujin

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temulch

bleak kernel
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It's the same name? Or just looks or sounds similar?

sick stone
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same surname

bleak kernel
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It's his surname, not a first name? Or Te is a surname?

sick stone
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鐵木真 > temujin

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and this is temulch name

bleak kernel
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First name, surname or both? 🙂

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Yueshan is written together in our version, while it should be Shan Yue or Yue Shan in Asian style.

sick stone
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yea in chinese surname goes first

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yue is surname, shan is his name

bleak kernel
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We know from Yueshan and others' stories, because other people form his family have Yue surname.
So Temulch is Te Mujin?

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If you don't know then nevermind. 🙂

sick stone
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temulch is Temuer

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the thing is

bleak kernel
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He doesn't have a surname?

sick stone
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the name of Temuer or Temujin is technically not a chinese name

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bcoz they are mongolian

bleak kernel
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Maybe Mongolians didn't have separate first name from surname, I don't know.

sick stone
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just like how chinese people call napolenon 拿破仑

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nao po lun

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as in pinyin

bleak kernel
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Ok, then his surname isn't known. Or he didn't have it. Temulch goes just by his first name.

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In some countries for many centuries it was common.

sick stone
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like it's just a way to read their name in chinese

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but it's not actually their ''original'' name

bleak kernel
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So you mean it's his title, not his real name?

sick stone
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no not title

bleak kernel
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I mean, Napoléon Bonaparte first name was really Napoléon. He's called by his first name only in many countries.

sick stone
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like, Napoleon is a french word right?
but the chinese people got trouble pronounce that
so they kinda ''translate'' it to 拿破仑 which reads as ''nao po lun''

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to refer to this french person who's called napoleon

bleak kernel
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Well, that's natural. But what about it?

sick stone
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what about it is Temujin is just the latin letters version of the mongolian name ᠲᠡᠮᠦᠵᠢᠨ
same with 鐵木真 as it's chinese letters version

bleak kernel
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I asked at the beginning if it's the same name or just looks or sounds the same.
If it's the same name in Latin letters, but we don't know if it's the same name in the original writing and meaning then they just look the same, but may not be the same. 🙂

sick stone
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i mean even if they're just sounding the same but not the same name/surname there's a reason for that

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they're inspired from real life people but they can't literally take their names

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and put into the game

bleak kernel
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Of course, it's obvious.

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It isn't something only China do.

sick stone
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anyway

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where was we

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oh yea
naraka lores was literally taken from real life history

bleak kernel
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Yes, most good fantasy are like that.

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It isn't uncommon in Europe too.

sick stone
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current naraka timeline is around ming dynasty era

bleak kernel
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Probably they're mixing various real times and a bit of sci-fi. There were no mechs in ming dynasty, for one example. 😄

sick stone
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well yeah there's lots of fantasy stuffs mixed in too ofc

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but what i'm saying is because we know it's based on real life we can speculate lots of stuffs

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this bilibili post is a very good read

bleak kernel
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Of course, knowledge of history and myths certainly helps in noticing and understanding metaphors, references, comparisons and inspirations.

sick stone
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if you can read chinese or have someone translating it for you

bleak kernel
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No, I can't read Chinese. 🙂
But it's fine. I have watched more than enough Chinese, Japanese and Korean dramas, movies, documentaries, played visual novels and read novels or mangas in my life. I don't remember everything from it, but I remember enough for my needs.
It's always interesting to come across something new or refresh older knowledge too, so thanks for the link.

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I think that Naraka also refers partially to Europe, for example to Rome, so here I know even more about the subject.

sick stone
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anyway

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now that the Ji elder who's the head of the Ji family is dead

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and Tarka became new head of the family

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and he kinda got his sister back (?)

bleak kernel
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But it seems that Tarka has rebelled against his family?

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Or has he changed his mind after some time?

sick stone
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yeah but now he got the superior power over them cuz he absorbed hellscorch omnius

bleak kernel
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Yes, this is what the last event would suggest.

sick stone
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cuz no matter what it's still his family

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also it looks like he has gone back to his family before heading to morus to find his sister

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his SILK extreme outfit description, not the chest extreme does mentions that he went back

bleak kernel
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Maybe he'll finally end his life of drunkard troublemaker. 😄

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Then has Zai regained her sanity and is she on her brother's side? Or is she fighting the worm controlling her?

sick stone
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yea that's another unsolved detail lmfao

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on the english version there's no worm thing

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but on the chinese version there is

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so what they gonna do with it now

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like even now tarka got his sister back but then how they gonna deal with the worm

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and lord Chu definitely not gonna let Zai get away that easy

bleak kernel
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Probably there is one or more ways to get rid of the worm or kill it or at least inactive it.
We will see in the future if they are going to explain it.

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And what is your opinion on the Shayol-Shan relationship?
I don't remember if you've already commented on this here.
Do you think they're drawn to each other? Maybe there will be some stories about them when they confront each other on Morus Island.

sick stone
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i mean there's definitely chemistry between them

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might as well call them lovers at this point tbh

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but shayol put duty above everything

bleak kernel
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I think Shan is like that too.

sick stone
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so when she heard about yueshan gone rougue

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her first thought is to capture yueshan and find out why

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poor shayol she think golden keepers was all about justice and the truth is what matters the most

bleak kernel
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yes

sick stone
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then akos wants to go find him and feria wants to go with akos lol

bleak kernel
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But I think he doesn't feel well with it and with breaking orders. He doesn't seem like the type who likes to meddle in politics and taking part in something like uncertain rebellion. Though he ultimately decided to join their side anyway, because probably he thinks it's the right side.
Just Shayol doesn't know yet that she's on the wrong side.

sick stone
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he don't have a choice

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he agreed to crown prince because back home his family was already detained

bleak kernel
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We would probably be killed if he didn't join the rebels, wouldn't he?

sick stone
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and stripped away from military

bleak kernel
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Yes, it's written on Chinese website in his or Shayol's description.

sick stone
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tessa captured yueshan and spread the words of him allied with crown prince's force

bleak kernel
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He definitely holds a grudge against her in the Showdown stories involving them.

sick stone
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so his whole family got detained and he got stripped away from military
then crown prince begged him to go with tessa and wuchen to morus isle, he doesn't have a choice now because even if he goes back to icuria royal capital, no one gonna believe him
shayol, receive the news about yue family and yueshan, decided to go find him, ended up on morus too

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current timeline she still haven't found him iirc

bleak kernel
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Yes, I know for the time being she hasn't found him yet.
I hope they will have a confrontation and conversation when they meet on Morus - Shayol and Shan.
Although I would prefer a next male character to finally appear in Showdown, since last ones were all females and there are more females than males in Showdown now. It would be best if it would stay 50/50 or very close.
I'm surprised that Akos hasn't appeared in Showdown yet, even though he's mentioned in Showdown stories.

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Maybe they're preparing some special skill or story for him for Showdown and leaving it for later.

sick stone
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well akos got added onto mobile showdown
but there's a leak about next pc showdown character being kylin, but eh

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i wouldn't trust that, though it turn out to be right last time about justina

bleak kernel
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Akos basically went ahead first on Morus and Feria is chasing him, right?

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Maybe they'll add Kylin like they added Ziping and Yoto. They're there, but don't have any Showdown stories, because they aren't from this universe anyway.

sick stone
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then feria met and goes with yueshan

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akos is nowhere to be seen after that

bleak kernel
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Yes, I mean, they landed together, but Akos went first and Feria follows after him, looking around for him. And they argued about something.

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They must have met somewhere and split up again, I think. I'd have to look again through all the Showdown stories.
The Chinese ones would probably be more accurate as usual.

sick stone
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prolly gonna need to wait til they add akos into showdown for more information

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for now eh

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all we know is akos is not with feria and yueshan

bleak kernel
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Probably, yes.
Is there more info how exactly did Akos and Feria got together as a pair?
Feria joined the military in the same or a close unit as Akos? Her grandfather thought she was thinking about Yueshan, but she was really thinking about Akos from the beginning?

sick stone
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feria had never joined the military lmfao

bleak kernel
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Hmm, wait, where was it...

sick stone
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oh wait i think she did

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then on a mission she met akos and yueshan

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oh yeah she did, just that she never follow orders and just act on her own

bleak kernel
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That's her personality, complete unruly tomboy. 🙂

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Feria knows Valda, Hadi, Akos and Yueshan. All of them at least. Hadi likes her and even saved her in a way, they met on the ship.

sick stone
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Lyam called her ''dirt monkey'' btw

bleak kernel
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Oh, yes, Lyam too. Hadi and him have similar opinion about her. But they both like her.

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I think she met Yueshan and Akos for the first time in her Chapter 3 Cultivation story, the Peasant Girl.

sick stone
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yeah she was on a heroic act of saving some girl

bleak kernel
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She probably wasn't on a mission, they were on a mission to buy firearms from her family. She was probably just being naughty out of boredom and pretending to be a peasant in front of them, only to meet them again at her family's residence and it turned out she was a noblewoman.
At least that's how it is in English version.

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She joined the military quite a bit later I think, but I don't know what the time difference was.

sick stone
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well on the chinese story it was some bandit wants to force a marriage onto a girl and feria rescued her then pretend to be the new bride, waiting for the bandit in the room

bleak kernel
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I see.

sick stone
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then when the bandit comes she shots him

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and took his treasures

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she was about to leave then yueshan and akos barged in because they're also on the mission of saving this girl (this girl was from a noble family and yueshan akos accepted the family's request of saving her)

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and she bonked akos with her nunchucks

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that was the first time they met

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then after that she somehow decided to go after akos

bleak kernel
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That's how the story looks like in English.

Feria_Peasant_Girl_1.jpg Feria_Peasant_Girl_2.jpg Feria_Peasant_Girl_3.jpg
sick stone
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yeah totally different

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as you can see the chapter image was she riding a mechanical buffalo

bleak kernel
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Who is Prince Averion?

sick stone
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which is a detail on her chinese story

bleak kernel
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Wait... is Averion the former Crown Prince's name? 🤔

sick stone
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it must be

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but i don't think there's a chinese name for him tho

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at least i don't see it anywhere

bleak kernel
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Wow, I didn't expect to come across his name when rereading this story.

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Yes, the story is much different from what you wrote.

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She did it out of boredom and there wasn't any girl to save. She's playing the peasant for fun in this version.

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And there is no mention of this mechanical buffalo in English version, as you wrote.

sick stone
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yeah the mechanical buffalo was the thing she built to stuffed in all the treasures she stole from that bandit

bleak kernel
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haha

sick stone
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idk why they didn't just translate the chinese stories to english

bleak kernel
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It's really a pity translators didn't have more creativity, inspiration. A lot of funny and interesting details get lost in shortened translations.

sick stone
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but decide to go for a completely new and different story

bleak kernel
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I guess they wanted to shorten it, but had to change some details to make the short version make sense.

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But this changes the whole tone and meaning of the story.

sick stone
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''change some details'' you say lol

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some of them are like

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completely different

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lmao

bleak kernel
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I mean, at first they changed small details, but changing small details forced changing medium details, and changing medium details forced changing large details, and in the end the final story came out almost completely different. 😅

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If it was up to me, I would definitely prefer to translate it 1 to 1 from the original version, as much as it's possible, but maybe Naraka's staff decided they wanted something shorter and different for the international version. 🤷‍♀️

sick stone
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yeah it's unknow why they choose to do this but nevertheless it doesn't looks like a good decision

bleak kernel
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yes

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@strong lance
Is Averion the first name of the former Crown Prince? 😄

bleak kernel
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By the way, tabbie, do you know if Youngzhou is Everrest (or Eternia?) and Zhongzhou is Centralis? I mean names of cities.
I'm more certain about the second name, but less sure about the first. Those names aren't listed in the old google drive.
Yunzhou is CloudSparrow, but it's a different name...

sick stone
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i don't know the translated term in english

bleak kernel
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Everrest is the city, where Justina and Viper first met in inn. Is it the same city as Youngzhou?

sick stone
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yeah that's youngzhou

bleak kernel
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Centralis is the city, where Shayol seems to work as a Golden Keeper. I guess it's the capital city of Icuria.

sick stone
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correct, that's zhongzhou

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feria is from leizhou

bleak kernel
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Then this clarified the matter.

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Leizhou is Valtheca.

sick stone
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akos from yunzhou

bleak kernel
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Yes, Yunzhou is CloudSparrow.

sick stone
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there's still more iirc

bleak kernel
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Daelyn's and later Justina's Pluvial Pavilion is in Youngzhou / Everrest too?

sick stone
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yeah it's the capital city

bleak kernel
sick stone
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mb it's zhong

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so centralis

bleak kernel
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Everrest is also in Icuria, though? Or in another country?

sick stone
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all of these ''zhou'' is in icuria

bleak kernel
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Ok, they are provinces of Icuria. I though as much.

sick stone
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actually hmm

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why do i remember that there's an item description

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nvm i can't remember what exactly it said

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can't find the item either

bleak kernel
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Ok, don't worry. Was it about CloudSparrow?

sick stone
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but anyway don't take my word for justina's shop was in centralis

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it doesn't match

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even though i vaguely remember

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that an item description said

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when the icuria royal astrologer

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one night he was standing on a high tower looking down on the capital city

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he saw a bright star

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which refers to justina

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but he decided to keep it a secret

bleak kernel
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The stories say that Daelyn supposedly wanted to return with Justina to the capital of Icuria, so it would seem to be Centralis, but the Pluvial Pavilion seems to be in a different city, so something isn't clear here.

sick stone
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yeah

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i'll need to take an overall look at the items description later

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it's annoying that alot of them are hidden if you don't own them

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also i found the information that said there's total 9 provinces

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9 ''zhou''

bleak kernel
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Is Pluvial Pavilion in Holoroth then? 🤔

sick stone
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can't be

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it must be in icuria

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holoroth is outside of icuria

bleak kernel
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Maybe it's in a province bordering Holoroth.

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I don't know where Gaian is.

sick stone
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AHAHAHA LMAO

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FOUND IT

bleak kernel
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What did you find?

sick stone
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it's in youngzhou

bleak kernel
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So it's in Everrest too after all.

sick stone
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i need to find the item description about that icuria royal astrologer

bleak kernel
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Here it's about the court astrologer, but you probably mean a different one.

Justina_Polaris_Destiny.jpg
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What region is Gaian region, hmm...

sick stone
sick stone
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make sense for viper to be there

bleak kernel
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Justina and Viper definitely first met in Everrest, at least that's how it was translated.
And after that, I don't know. I don't know where Gaian is supposed to be.

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Maybe Gaian is Plumed Castle?

sick stone
bleak kernel
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Polaris Destiny clothes

sick stone
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of justina?

bleak kernel
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yes

sick stone
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i don't have that one

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it's on a chest or what

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oh yeah

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it's on aurora

bleak kernel
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I don't remember. This one isn't my screenshot, it's from someone else.

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I don't have this outfit myself.
I think there was also hairstyle to match the outfit.

sick stone
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it just say yuongzhou aka everrest there

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nothing about gaian

bleak kernel
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Maybe in one place yuongzhou was translated as Everrest and in another as Gaian. 🤔

sick stone
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yeah could be
the whole holoroth map is a no-man's-land, a disputed area anyway

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tang city is icuria's
meehtab is lunarza's
empyreal village is grassland tribe's

bleak kernel
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Tang is bordering Holoroth from Icuria's side?

sick stone
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ye

bleak kernel
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The hair accessory for this Polaris costume is Zeyuan's Crown you posted earlier.

sick stone
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yeah i figured

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interesting
daelyn faked justina day of birth so her ''fate'' looks different in the eyes of astrologers

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but the icuria royal astrologer know the truth

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that she was destined to be an emperor or something
but this astrologer keep it a secret, he didn't tell no one even the emperor

bleak kernel
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I guess he helped her cover it or at least turned a blind eye.
That's why I wrote earlier it's like with Wu Zetian. Wu Zetian also had omnius horoscope and the court didn't like it.

sick stone
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yeah so when the emperor and lord qi know about her being back to icuria

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they didn't go and kill her

bleak kernel
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Dealyn in Justina's stories saw her as a good material for an Empress. She probably wanted her to become one, an independent one.

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But this means fierce competition with all the sons of the emperor and the emperor himself.

sick stone
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i see how this gonna go

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crown prince will be back

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and justina will be with his father

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but crown prince will lose or gets killed

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then justina gonna inherits his military force

bleak kernel
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If the Crown Prince regains his position or even better becomes emperor, he may decide to make Justina his successor, although this will likely be met with great opposition since probably no one at court will want to allow a woman to become an independent Empress again.

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Maybe the Crown Prince doesn't even want that. Maybe it's just something that Daelyn wanted.
Daelyn was raised in the Yushan matriarchy, so she and her husband may have had a difference of opinion on the matter.

sick stone
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at this very moment crown prince is already sober up and gathering forces

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with the help of tessa and wuchen

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so he's already back in the game

bleak kernel
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We will see how it will go with him and his supporters this time.

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We will also see where, when and how Shayol will land in all of this.

sick stone
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bruh shayol gonna gets it worst 100%

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imagine working for the one who tried to murder her whole family

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imagine believing that what she's doing, who she was working for, her adopted father, is all about justice

bleak kernel
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How everything turns out depends on if and when and how she finds out that she was naive and trusted wrong people in some matters.

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On the other hand, it's not her fault. She has the personality she has and was simply unlucky to end up in her situation.
She won't be happy, but she'll probably forgive herself sooner or later.

sick stone
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yeah but i mean it's not just ''she trusted the wrong person''

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she literally called that person ''father''

bleak kernel
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But adoptive father, not the real one. At least she knows this much.

sick stone
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her whole past was all a lie, even her whole life is a lie cuz the golden keepers doesn't looks all high and mighty as it seems

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imagine when she found out about this

bleak kernel
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Yes, I can imagine.
She wasn't the one making decisions when she was a little child. Everyone would be as easy to manipulate when taken in as a toddler.

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At least Yueshan is her true friend, I think.

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I don't know about her work partner in Golden Keepers, but he doesn't seem to be a bad person either. Is it a man?

sick stone
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ye but the thing is

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the golden keepers belong to lord Qi

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so god knows what it really was about

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as for we know that annica is literally the same type of operation

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it's just two sides of the same coin

bleak kernel
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People working in real life in the police, military, etc. often have similar dilemmas. What more can I say.

sick stone
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imagine justina and her father came back and launched an attack into icuria
then we'll have lord qi & shayol on one side and crown prince & justina on other side

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then crown prince recognize shayol is his own daughter

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bro

bleak kernel
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Yes, it will be unfortunate. But let's hope Shayol will be more lucky in the future than she was in the past. 🙂

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She could always become a double agent if she found out the truth about Lord Qi before Lord Qi found out that Shayol found out. 😄

ivory glade
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oi

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tas bem 🫡

sick stone
bleak kernel
# ivory glade tas bem 🫡

Is it Portugal? 🙂 Write in English, please. It isn't our native language too, but we all have to use the same language to understand each other on Discord.
Do you have questions about the game's plot?

bleak kernel
sick stone
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idk man these stuffs could drive someone mad
dark shayol?

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💀

bleak kernel
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I think she's a grey character and will stay grey.

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Viper has also been hard hit by fate, but she isn't entirely evil.

sick stone
bleak kernel
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Love can be strong. Can take cold cynics by surprise.
I know something about it.

bleak kernel
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And as for the Golden Keepers, at least under Justina's leadership they fought the Cult of the Harvesters.
We have a better insight into Cult of the Harvesters from Lannie's point of view and they aren't honest, good people, so regardless of what Lord Qi is planning, it's good that Golden Keepers are there to maintain order in the capital and fight criminals.

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Lord Qi probably means no good, but even he doesn't want complete chaos in the imperial capital. Chaos wouldn't help someone like him, only spoil his plans.

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From what I understand, this cult led to the death of Shayol's mute nanny and made it look like a suicide.

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It's a bit unclear why Lannie is working with them. She was orphaned in a meteor storm, then someone was training her and then she seems to have some debt to the Cult of the Harvesters.

sick stone
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she's working as a spy

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for a special force of icuria

bleak kernel
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oh

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So she's working under Lord Qi too? Or someone else?

sick stone
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it's the same uhh department (?) with the astrologer

sick stone
bleak kernel
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I see.

bleak kernel
sick stone
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yeah sorta

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ok it's under lord Chu's command

bleak kernel
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So the same one who controls Annicas.

sick stone
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七岁那年，蓝梦随父母游历玉州，却遭天降陨石，方圆百里化为焦土，父母双双罹难。唯有蓝梦，因恰好在地窖里躲懒，侥幸逃过一劫。中州监天司派遣司辰官远赴雷州，勘察天灾异象。得知蓝梦特殊的强运命格后，司辰官将正在街头流浪的她带回中州。

在中州，蓝梦借着彩戏表演的掩护，帮司辰官打探消息，偶尔也处理些见不得光的买卖。蓝梦生性懒散随意，却总能以最小的代价，解决最棘手的麻烦。

多年后，随着司辰官认主楚王，蓝梦亦被派往谷神教卧底，化名“彩云仙”。凭借一手精妙的彩戏幻术和不按常理出牌的行事风格，蓝梦在谷神教中迅速站稳脚跟。中州堂口覆灭后，蓝梦又因成功保下教内圣物“谷心灵珠”，被破格升为护法。

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When she was seven years old, Lan Meng was traveling with her parents in Yuzhou when a meteor fell from the sky, turning everything within a hundred-mile radius into scorched earth. Both her parents perished in the disaster. Lan Meng alone survived, as she had been idly hiding in a cellar at the time and narrowly escaped death.

The Central Province's Astronomical Bureau dispatched an official to investigate the celestial anomaly in Leizhou. Upon discovering Lan Meng’s rare fate of extraordinary fortune, the official took her—then wandering the streets—back to the Central Province.

In the Central Province, Lan Meng used theatrical performances as cover while gathering intelligence for the official. Occasionally, she also handled some shady dealings. Naturally lazy and carefree, she always managed to resolve the most troublesome problems with the least effort.

Years later, as the official pledged allegiance to the King of Chu, Lan Meng was sent undercover to infiltrate the Valley God Sect under the alias "Fairy Caiyun." With her exquisite illusionist skills and unconventional methods, she quickly established herself within the sect. After the Central Province’s stronghold was destroyed, Lan Meng was exceptionally promoted to the rank of Protector for successfully safeguarding the sect's sacred artifact, the “Valley Spirit Pearl.”

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Valley God Sect is Cult of the Harvesters

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You're right, it's written about it in her description.

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It's interesting that the chief astrologer belongs to the Prince of Chu / Lord Chu faction, but he helped the crown prince, or at least Daelyn with Justina's horoscope.
Or maybe the official who was teaching Lannie was another astrologer, not the same person as the "old overseer".

sick stone
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yeah or maybe person who hold the chef postion changed

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just like how zai became the new head assassin after she killed the previous one

bleak kernel
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Yes, it makes sense too.

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Character Bio : Justina Gu Justina_Immortal

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I am not really sure and I don't completely understand what this new PvP event on Discord is about, but if anyone is wondering and it will help, the conflict seems to be actually between Lunazra and Icuria, who are fighting to take over Holoroth and the Plumed Castle.
Additionally, the third force who fought with both of them is the Grasslands, but they're currently in disarray, aren't they.
Shayol is definitely on Icuria's side so far. Or Lyam.
Hadi is theoretically on the side of Lunazra's pawn of Holoroth - Prince Haffe, but Hadi doesn't really want to take one side and prefers to prevent conflict, according to our version. He's friends with characters from Icuria. He's from Lunazra, though.
The rest... it's rather difficult to tell who should be classified into the Holoroth's faction. 🤔
For example, Matari isn't on the side of either Lunazra or Icuria. She cares about Daughter of Aquila's older Holoroth, not the one that is now.
Temulch is on the side of the Grasslands. He was in Lunazra for many years, but he isn't exactly their supporter. Or Icuria's.
Icuria has or had their pawn Prince and lands in Holoroth too, not only Lunazra.
I think it would sound better if it was mainland Icuria Empire vs Lunazra or vs the rest of the continent / world. 😄

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Hi, i'm kinda new to the game, what does Naraka mean according to the lore? Some kind of clash of opposite forces?

sick stone
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it means hell

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naraka bladepoint original chinese name is 永劫无间 which can be translated to ''eternal/unending hell''
refering to the fight between everyone for the mask of immortality, not knowing that the mask brings calamity upon whoever holding it

bleak kernel
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And the eternal clash of Yin and Yang, i.e. Moonbane and Sunwing. 🌕 ☀️ ☯️

bleak kernel
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@sick stone, I remember Viper's mother's first name being somewhere inside the game, but I don't remember where and when. Maybe it was during a limited-time event. Do you remember where it might be?

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it should be

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though i don't remember where did this name mentioned

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I also don't remember where. Well, maybe I'll stumble upon it by chance later.

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found it

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It must be from the aconitum plant, it was used to make deadly poisons.

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It makes sense, since Viper has Viper as her name in international version, like a poisonous snake.

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also a little bit of information
''wu shuang'' means ''no fog''
viper ning - ning hong ye, ''hong ye means ''crimson night''
justina gu - gu qing han, ''qing han'' means ''fresh cold''
daelyn gu - gu fei xue, ''fei xue'' means ''flying snow''

bleak kernel
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Looking at Chinese signs meaning, I think Justina's name may be also clear coldness.

sick stone
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yeah, clear, fresh

bleak kernel
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She has a very poetic name.

sick stone
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rejuvenation even

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like a relaxing feeling of coldness not the harsh kind

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ik just trying to clarify so ppl comes later get it lmfao

bleak kernel
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Yes, I get it. It can be misunderstood. Justina isn't cold in the negative sense.

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cuz all of these information get lost with official translated names

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anicota, justina and daelyn names all related to coldness and the beauty of it
only viper is different

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because her mother had her in the worst way

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so she named her as kind of a taboo thing

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crimson night is blood moon night

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which ancient people consider a very bad sign when it happens

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Yes, it's a pity some translated names weren't chosen more in line with their original meaning, but that would be difficult in modern English.
Maybe easier in other European languages, but that would be a lot of work.
There could at least be an explanation of the original names, but unfortunately it was probably decided that few people would be interested in that and it's a waste of time and space.
But we can do it here, so if people read it, they will know.

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they probably thinking that the characters need a more ''international'' name so they don't keep the original names just written in latin

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like we totally can have hongye, qinghan, lanmeng, liulian etc... as the english names for them but eh

bleak kernel
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But this in turn is inconsistent, because some of the names are in western letters but unchanged, some are changed, and for example poor Yueshan is the only one with a combined surname and first name. 😄
Daelyn is Dealyn on items, but Feixue in stories. And where idea for Daelyn came from anyway? It looks like a pretty name without meaning. Supposedly, it's gender-neutral "cute" variation of Dale, meaning a valley... bu why Feixue is translated as a valley...

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ye lol

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or wuchen

bleak kernel
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Of course, in our languages, names also have original meanings. Even in English, but many people have simply forgotten about it.

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Justine's origin is Latin word "iustus", emphasizing qualities like righteousness, fairness, uprightness.
Justyna is among popular names in use in my country. It would suit Shayol more, though, I think. 😄

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it's not that i'm against what they did for the names, tbh it looks like a right thing to do when you want your games to be more appealing to global audience, it's just kinda sad when non-chinese speakers couldn't understand the poetic meaning behind our characters names

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They could always choose names from other languages ​​that would match the meaning of the Chinese names, but it isn't very easy. To do this, you need to be very fluent in both languages, even among natives ​​and history.
Either way, it's always interesting to see what the intended meaning of the names was in Chinese.

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On a side note, I had this thought that maybe Shan Yue's first name is Shan, because it sounds similar to Shang (Li), who appears in the older Disney version of Mulan. 😄
On the other hand, the main antagonist in the animated movie is named Shan Yu, which is even closer to Shan Yue.

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well yeah Shan is his first name, Yue is surname, the name of his family

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Shan means mountain

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Depends with which Chinese sign or signs it's written, I guess. There are probably several characters that have the same or similar reading.

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All I know is in Japanese Yama usually means a mountain or mountains.

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his grandfather name is Yue Cheng
his father name is Yue Jing Shi or Jing Zhi

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Yes, in Japanese and Korean too. And probably in several other languages of this area of Asia.
But in Europe it's in most cases the opposite, surname / family name / father's or mother's name is always last.
How the date is written also differs between continents.

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I mean that every sign has various readings and the same reading can be from different signs. It's complicated if someone doesn't know how it works.
Japanese are calling Chinese alphabet signs Kanji (Japanese alphabets are katakana and hiragana), Koreans Hanja.
If we have something written only in letters without individual meaning in themselves from a language with letters/signs that have individual meaning in themselves, then we don't know what it's original meaning was because we can't be sure which characters/letters was used in the primary notation.

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hangu

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Hangul / Dzosongyl is their own alphabet. Chinese sings are hancha, hanja or hanmun for Koreans.

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his grandfather name is 岳城
城 (Cheng) means castle/wall/bulwark

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his father name is 岳敬之 (Yue Jingzhi)
敬 = respect
之 = belong to
overall can be interpreted as a humble and respecful person

bleak kernel
sick stone
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usually you don't interpret their family name

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usually it just serve as the bloodline presentation

bleak kernel
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Probably, but the last name / surname also came from something. Maybe that has significance or maybe the family names were randomly chosen for the characters in the game. Or based on similarity to some real surnames.
Maybe Yues were in-laws of Icuria's imperial family, when their family name Yue was officially created and given to them.

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In literature of my language, authors sometimes consciously choose both the first and last name to indicate something or to have a specific meaning.

sick stone
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i can see it being the case with yueshan

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but viper and justina it seems like it has no connection to their name's meaning

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aside from serving as a presentation of their bloodline

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also wuchen and lannie (lan meng) doesn't have a family name

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it's like calling justina qing han instead of gu qing han

bleak kernel
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Isn't Wuchen Chen Wu?

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nah

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wu chen translated to ''dustless''

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his name is also a kind of a term used to refer to cultivators/nonhuman-like person in xianxia novels

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as in

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''not touching a single dust particle''

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cuz they're not a mortal

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lannie name is lan meng which means ''blue dream''

bleak kernel
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Well, he's half-human. A hybrid with Heralds species.

sick stone
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Chen Wu sounds like it could be first name and surname, but it's possible that it's a whole first name in this case and he doesn't have a family name or it's unknown.

sick stone
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like these cultivators in xianxia novels

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bleak kernel
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So Wuchen is a good name for Yin Yang cultivator?

sick stone
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more like a title

bleak kernel
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Ok

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Wuchen's mother calls him that in the comic, though. So in this case it's probably his real name. She could call him with surname or without surname.

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I wonder who Wuchen's father is. I don't remember it being mentioned in the comic. It must be one of the Heralds, whether he still exists or not, because something might have happened to him.

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he's a herald obviously cuz wuchen mom is mortal

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i think it's mentioned somewhere that he's dead

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not sure though

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Something must have happened to his biological father or he was one of the bad Heralds, since only mother stayed with Wuchen and after her Wuchen was left alone with no one to protect him. It would be interesting if we learned more even only about the mother herself.
It would be wild if Tianhai turned out to be Wuchen's father.

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If Lang Meng is just Lannie's first name, then perhaps she doesn't remember or doesn't use her last name because she was orphaned when she was probably still little. Maybe it isn't her real name at all, just the name under which she acts as an agent and con artist, an illusionist.

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Lannie isn't a name, but a diminutive / a nickname, which can be derived from many names. Sadly, none of them has a similar meaning to blue dream.

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Character Bio : Shayol Wei Shayol_Arrest

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Hi guys! I’m new to Naraka’s lore

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Does anyone have anything on Kurumi?

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Nvm I’m dumb, I find out through the search tab, sorry yall lol

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I just know the things relating to her and Orochi because cool snake demon go brrr

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latent badger
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Is there like... A good video essay or spoken/audio 'general lore' content? I am intruiged but really bad with reading 😅 ❤️

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No just looked

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There are some shorts for certain characters

latent badger
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Yeah, those I found and that really helped! 😄 A shame there's so little non-chinese fans for this game (in comparison)

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Makes finding cool lore content harder 😔

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Character Bio : Viper Ning

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bleak kernel
# latent badger Is there like... A good video essay or spoken/audio 'general lore' content? I am...

If you're an auditory learner or a visual person who prefers images and videos over text, it's truly unfortunate that there's no one who talk about the whole story and characters in the video and audio format.
Unfortunately, the community that is interested in this in the international version is indeed small so far, as we all see here.
Ghost Eyes is currently working on characters' bios in English at least, so there's something to look forward to.

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And the bios are awesome!

bleak kernel
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# quaint hare Nvm I’m dumb, I find out through the search tab, sorry yall lol

Don't be afraid and don't be sorry to ask and discuss, even if something has already been here in the past. That's the purpose of this channel after all, isn't it. It doesn't have to be just people like me and tabbie who discuss here lately. 😄

Although it would definitely be easier and more helpful for everyone if you asked about more specific things and details than about a character in general. And add what you already know or speculate, based on what we have and know from our version of the game.
Cultivation and Showdown stories and item descriptions are the essential base for all of us. Sometimes events in the game or on Discord can provide new infos.
I have all stories unlocked, so if anyone wants them in advance, I can share them.

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Also, keep in mind that the character descriptions are from the time in the storyline when the characters appeared in the game. So in the case of characters who appeared earlier, some of this information may no longer be up to date, because the storyline has moved on since then.
The order in which characters appeared in the game roughly matches the order in which they're displayed in the game, in the Heroes tab.
I remember Matari and Feria being switched places at one point. Tarka has been slightly changed and now has a different thumbnail after the last big event about him. But other than that, I think the rest is still the same.
I haven't paid attention to how often new characters are added, but I think it's at least one or two per season.

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One of revelations from the newest event inside the game:
Tarka and Zai's mother was from Liu family. 🤔 And was a great, famous pianist. Loved her husband, had children out of love. It wasn't a marriage of convenience.

We can still wonder whether Tarka and Zai's mother died of natural causes or someone "helped" her.
Liu and Ji families seem really closely knitted... Lyam's mother is from Ji family.

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The OG cast (on release after Alpha) was Viper, Tianhai, Matari, Temulch, and Tarka Ji.

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Yoto Hime was part of that OG cast, but since she's a crossover character, she doesn't count towards the grand story around Morus Isle and the Mask of Immortality

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I believe Viper's story has mostly stayed consistent and straightforward, especially after the release of Justina Gu.

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Same for Tianhai especially after the release of, Yueshan, Wuchen, then Showdown with Omnius.

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I think Matari has some of the most complex story progression since there's a lot of implied story with her background.

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Layered on top of being one of the OGs and having lore going so far back.

bleak kernel
# wary bobcat Yoto Hime was part of that OG cast, but since she's a crossover character, she d...

Honestly, I thought so too - in the sense that Ziping, Yoto and Kylin won't appear in Naraka's storyline, because they're borrowed characters from other universes - but it turns out that Yoto appears in at least one story involving Kurumi and Takeda (Yoto is also Japanese, Yoto-hime), so maybe she plays a role in Naraka after all...
Maybe it's because Yoto is from a game from the same publisher, so they can do more with that character.
There's also at least one item inside the game that mentions Qilin, both a Chinese and Japanese mythological figure, in the context of story characters, so who knows.
Ziping's involvement in the plot is probably the least likely.

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The comic / manhua is about mainly Wuchen, so it's definitely a big help in understanding his perspective.
Tianhai has the longest history.

bleak kernel
# wary bobcat I believe Viper's story has mostly stayed consistent and straightforward, especi...

The problem with Viper's description, for example, is that - depending on interpretation - it doesn't take into account what we can learn from the game. Her description presents a very specific moment in the plot that has already passed in the game.
Besides, it doesn't seem like Viper and Justina genuinely considered each other true enemies at any point, at least according to translations we have in our version of the game. Or that Viper really wanted to kill her.
It's also unclear how to interpret relations between Viper's parents or between Aconita and Daelyn, based on what we can know so far.
Whole Yushan history from the time of Aconita's and Daelyn's youth is a bit of a mystery too, one of various mysteries.

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At this point, Viper doesn't hold animosity towards Justina because of Daelyn's request, but Justina isn't fully aware of what happened and still has some ire towards Viper

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But yeah it's not current. We'd need a dedicated wiki to capture the history

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From what we read in Viper's and Justina's stories and items, they both liked each other before and after (before or after Viper guessing / knowing Daelyn is Justina's mother, and before and after Viper getting to know this "secret" from Daelyn), even though they both knew that they shouldn't be friends, especially Viper. Daelyn wasn't the deciding factor in this, as it seems.
I think the conflict between Viper and Justina is really between their mothers, not themselves.
Viper herself has dilemmas between what she would like and what her mother and her cult, even Moonbane expects from her. Similarly with Justina.
But from what tabbie showed before, some of original Chinese versions of stories are different and more elaborate, so maybe something about Viper and Justina was also changed in translations. They definitely can't decide in translations whether Daelyn should be Daelyn or Feixue, etc.
Considering the version that we have, I think it's more true to say that circumstances placed them in hostile positions than that they wanted it and did it.
Viper would want to protect Justina out of her own volition, not kill her. Viper is a bit like tsundere type, towards most other characters.
Justina also holds no serious grudges against Viper according to recent Showdown stories. She already started to see the bigger picture.
Understanding depends heavily on the quality of translations and interpretations. Furthermore, it's a little hard to be certain of many things when the whole story is presented quite enigmatically anyway.

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Important details about them we can ponder are...
What kind of relation was actually there between the 8th prince of Icuria and Aconita? Only this has so many options. I personally don't believe it was love.
Did he run away before the pregnancy was revealed or after it was revealed? And if it was after, was it because he's an ... who didn't want to take responsibility for the pregnancy or were there other reasons? 😄
Why did he run away with Daelyn and not Aconita? Aconita supposedly wanted to escape from Yushan too. Daelyn doesn't seem to be his ally.
Did Aconita plan to escape with Daelyn and was betrayed by her instead or by both of them?
Did she deserve to be left there for some reason?
Why did he and Daelyn split while they were escaping and where did he go?
Did he try to kill Daelyn in that mountain stream or deliberately leave her there to die or get caught?
Did he return to Yushan / Aconita later or not? He was missing for 6 years. Only after that time he reappeared in Icuria to overthrow the crown prince.
Was he in danger of being killed if he stayed in Yushan? Because maybe members of Yushan matriarchal cult usually kill their lovers, who knows.
Was Aconita next in line after Daelyn to become Matron or was she chosen as the next one more spontaneously, due to Daelyn's escape?
Daelyn was supposed to be the next Matron but didn't want to be, so she ran away. The previous Matron was supposedly Daelyn's mother, Justina's grandmother. Probably biological one, but who knows. What happened to her, by the way?
Was the previous Matron the same person from the beginning of Yushan and was extending her life by feeding on members' Qi? And is that the same person as the so-called Original Maiden?
Was Aconita Daelyn's sister or cousin and then are Viper and Justina also cousins ​​on the female side?
Why does Justina and Daelyn have exclusively ice powers, while Viper has powers more like stunning and life-stealing poison?
Lots of possible questions, few answers so far.

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As for those interested in Kurumi and Takeda, also Yoto-hime, here are some things to read to get you started in the topic: 😄
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onmyōdō
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onmyōji
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omamori
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikigami
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamata_no_Orochi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia_of_Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magatama#Yasakani_no_Magatama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaterasu

Fun fact, Tsuchimikado is an authentic surname from real life.
In Naraka, Japan is represented under Helioth name. It's literally Sun Country, which is the name that China used for Japan in the distant past.

Lunazra, in turn, is a Lunar Country, which also makes sense, although in the context of later history, because it can be associated for example with various branches of Muslims. But not only. These might as well be civilizations - Western and/or Southern in relation to China - long before Islam or unrelated to Islam.
I wonder in the case of Hadi whether he should be seen more as Hindu or Arab or Persian or maybe something less obvious.

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Character Bio : Tianhai Tianhai_flex

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sick stone
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holoroth in ice? Tianhai_QuestionMark

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It is journal 1

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we will see

ancient viper
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Bring evil Cyra to pc Naraka dimension.

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fuck evil cyra

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gimme furry zai

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i want zai but in black bodysuit, not red

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bleak kernel
# sick stone holoroth in ice? <:Tianhai_QuestionMark:1099600235103273111>

Strange, isn't it?
Either we will travel back in time to the beginning of Holoroth (but even then it should be an oasis in the desert) and the time of the original Daughter of Aquila (divine eagle / falcon) or this is some alternate reality with the past mixing with the present and future from these Yin and Yang disturbances. 🤷‍♀️

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yMIoT4L9h4
Seems like we will be reviving the Aegis tree.

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🌪️🗺️ The hunt begins in Naraka: Bladepoint's 4th Anniversary Livestream — Call of the Dunes!

Dive into shifting sands, seek ancient relics, and witness the Aegis Tree’s fight to restore balance.

Tune in July 1 PT at 21:00 pm for the Through Rift, Seek Fortune Livestream and join in the long-awaited Treasure-Hunting gameplay!

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you really shouldn't use western format to write chinese names

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just write it as Gu Qing Han instead of Qing Han Gu

bleak kernel
# sick stone you really shouldn't use western format to write chinese names

Since it's translated into an European language, it should be in the European format.
Most playable characters inside the game have their surnames after their first names, so I also consistently do this with all characters in my English translations.
This may not make sense to you as an Asian, I understand, but to Europeans it definitely makes sense.
I have also written many names in Chinese signs too at least once, in the original Asian order. Exactly because I am not sure about them.

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what you're doing only create more confusion, you're not even consistent with it, for example on Helioth story isn't it if you're using western format you're supposed to write Li Ji name as Ji Li? but you didn't, maybe because you can't tell if Li Ji is a name with a family name or not, so in the situation that you couldn't fully understand the original language isn't it better just keep the original format?

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I can only add that you should read my previous comment again.
In my opinion, the lack of consistency is much worse than whether it's an European format or Far-Eastern-Asian one. There is the lack of consistency inside the game.
If you know which is the surname, which is the abbreviation and which isn't then you can write like just now.
I can correct it, as it's open to changes, like I wrote. It's also a basic translation of a player, as I wrote. Not the official translation.

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so what do you do when even the sources is inconsistent? you just keep it as it is, not trying to ''fix'' it because you only create more confusion rather than make it make more sense. In the game, on the english client, the name is yue shan, wu chen, whoever played the game know who's yue shan and who's wu chen, now who tf is shan yue or chen wu?
this is a feedback, if you'd rather going your way to make it make more sense to european audience, sure, it's your work anyway

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also, additional information about ''Icurian Empire under Yi'' section:
''After the first emperor Yi died, his younger brother ascended the throne as the second Yi emperor. In order to commemorate his brother's achievements, Yi created a new surname for the imperial family "Shen" (申) with the meaning of "piercing the sun with an arrow"
the reason for the meaning of 申 being "piercing the sun with an arrow" is letter 申 looks like an arrow piercing the letter 日 which means the sun

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I do this precisely to clear up the confusion. For myself and other players. So that it's clear what is what in translations, what is the first name, what is the second name, surname / family's name, nickname, title or other kind of name.
If you don't want to help with this, I'm not forcing you.
You understand if you know Chinese in some way or just because you are from a nearby culture / country, I get it, but don't expect people from other continents to understand it just as naturally and easily.

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but ok

bleak kernel
# sick stone jokes on you i'm actually the only one who's helping you atm

I know you're the most active on this channel, I don't deny it and I value your suggestions, but keep in mind that various people are interested without letting it show here that often and talk about it, work on it outside of Discord, not exclusively in English either and you may not know about it. 🙂

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I myself have only been on Discord this much recently, most of the time in the past I almost never looked at Naraka's discord server.

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sure

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Well, you can believe it or not. It doesn't really matter. 🙂
So do you have any other tips or comments on these translations?
If you aren't inclined to write anything more, it's fine by me.

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Actually @bleak kernel is also helping me make those Character Bio ❤️

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as i already said in the end it's your work anyway, do whatever you want

bleak kernel
# sick stone what i said doesn't mean that i don't believe that there's someone helping/worki...

I feel the same way about GhostEyes' work. I'm just helping a bit, but it's generally his work and we also don't agree about everything.
My translations are just mine so far. Though I am sure you have guessed that our previous conversations here already helped with clearing some things.
I personally don't know Chinese, so I only know as much as I can guess and deduce from attempts at accurate translations.
You wrote yourself, tabbie, that you don't want to do it for free, so I do it on my whim, but since I'm doing it, I'm doing it my way. That's just how it went.

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The discussion between you guys inspired me to do more for the lore channel. So there is an easy way to get started with lore, something you guys can link to when someone ask a lore based doubt , basically im sitting here taking notes when you guys explore lore XD

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and when i gave my feedback about why you should keep the original format with names because they might have hidden meanings and there's a reason why the creator choose those names for those stuffs, you take it as an act of undermining your work not an act of helping, great
anyway i won't be tempered with anything coming from you from now on, i reckon it's better that way

bleak kernel
# sick stone and when i gave my feedback about why you should keep the original format with n...

My translations include original names of places and people in Chinese signs in their original format too (especially those that may not have English versions of their names yet or I am unsure which ones they are or original names may be important), written at least once, as I clarified in the earlier comment.
I also put links everywhere so all players can translate the same text themselves if and whenever they want.
So it looks like you're offended by something not being there that is there.
I'm not against explaining the meaning of the original Chinese names. On the contrary, that's what I want to do.
Until you address it more precisely, I won't even know what you're actually complaining about.

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If you have a grudge only about the order of names and surnames of characters, I won't give in on this issue, because at least in my personal translations for unofficial use I want consistency and almost all playable characters inside the game have their surname at the end, so in the European format.
I don't oppose in this matter what the official translators decided, I follow their initial choice and want to clear confusions and misunderstandings about characters that have names inconsistent to this format / rules, for myself and other Europeans.

I am not at any point writing that you're undermining my work, tabbie. It isn't even a serious work, it's for fun.
I am still open to your suggestions when you're ready. 🙂
If you won't want to help, it's perfectly fine too. I can't force you and there's no need for me to force anybody. Not in the bad sense, in the normal / healthy sense.

bleak kernel
# sick stone what you're doing only create more confusion, you're not even consistent with it...

And speaking of details, are you sure that Ji is the first name and Li is the last name?
Or isn't that the first and second name or two parts of a first name? Or something else, like a title or nickname? 🤔
Honestly, I didn't change that, it's there in the same order and written the same as it was in the translator, so either it's a translator's error (which is likely) if it's wrong or it's supposed to be like that.

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that's why you shouldn't tempering with anything that doesn't have an official translated version
Li Ji and Ji Li both could totally be a valid name

bleak kernel
# sick stone that's why you shouldn't tempering with anything that doesn't have an official t...

I still don't know what you call tempering and what you don't like about deciphering which name is what in our version.
This is a translation so that people can understand the story. Including me.
When an official translation appears, I intend to delete mine or it will cease to be public and will be private.
Maybe in the near future GhostEyes will be able to establish an semi-official version of those descriptions in English, but for now there is none. For now, GhostEyes is working slowly on descriptions of the characters. He does it of his own accord.

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also there's no way ghosteyes could provide anything that can be called official or even semi official since he's not even working for 24E

bleak kernel
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sick stone
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then don't expect the same from me? i already said the reason why i think you shouldn't write the pinyin names in western format is to avoid confusion, misinformation and/or completely changing the meaning of the word itself because unlike western names, chinese names often got layers of hidden meaning in it with the order of the letters, the way it was written and/or the word itself which the pinyin version couldn't provide (the Ji in Li Ji is not the same with the Ji in Ji Ying Ying for example), since you don't know chinese and can't tell if it's the case or not isn't it better just keep it as what it is in the original language?

bleak kernel
# sick stone then don't expect the same from me? i already said the reason why i think you sh...

So why do you keep omitting the fact that I also included the Chinese names in Chinese signs in Chinese format?
I've repeated this several times in the comments, but you keep bringing this topic without addressing that original names are there.
There are also links to the original text in Chinese.
I can also include more names in their original version where you think it might be meaningful.
So where is the problem?

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take Justina name for example, Justina Gu is the official translated name, follows the english format, Gu Qing Han is not, it's just the pinyin transcription of the chinese name 顾清寒 and when you wrote it as Qing Han Gu it became a completely different name

sick stone
# bleak kernel So why do you keep omitting the fact that I also included the Chinese names in C...

the problem is you're creating confusions that you can't fix because you don't actually know chinese
what if there's a name that you don't know if it include first name and last name or it's just first name, or it's just last name, or it's just a nickname, what you gonna do then? Try to rewrite it in western format and ran into the risk of being wrong because you don't actually know or keep it as it is and create inconsistency and conflict with all the western format names you've put in there before?

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take Matari name for example, what you gonna do with her name in chinese being 迦南?

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there is more discord lore here than game lore at this point lol

bleak kernel
# sick stone take Justina name for example, Justina Gu is the official translated name, follo...

I am not finished with texts about characters yet, so don't rely on characters' texts for now. We can talk about descriptions of places today.
I can post my past translations / interpretations of the 4 characters that were reworked by GhostEyes with his translations / interpretations so far into what ended up on his characters' cards. So you will be able to see the whole process.
These cards were at the end seemingly edited and improved by Fugui, who is an official Chinese employee, so they can be considered semi-official. 🤷‍♀️

sick stone
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you write the name of the china president 习近平 in english as Xi Jinping not Jinping Xi, think about it

bleak kernel
sick stone
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yeah and what language you're using for your naraka lore translation?

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is it your language?

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or is it english?

bleak kernel
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Firstly, in order to translate it into my language I need to know it in English, because no one here will explain it to me in my native language.
Secondly, we're all using English in our own way in every country, because we all have our own version of English basically. It's this way even in Japan or Korea.
But apart from that, I can asure you that my siblings in UK also call him by his name first and surname at the end.

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British pronunciation is just different, they have their own pronunciation for everything. Sometimes it's funny.

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In my language we can use a pronunciation that is closer to the original because we have such letters with such pronunciations in the alphabet. Besides, sometimes we prefer the original pronunciation.
What is hard to translate into my language is a complete change of meaning by using intonation up or down in Chinese. In our language, intonation shows where someone is from and change in it can mean joking or sarcasm for example, but it doesn't cause such big changes. Among homonyms, one must understand from the context of the conversation which meaning of the same word is meant, intonation doesn't matter.

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so you're saying your translation is for whatever specific kind of english that you're speaking not general english?

bleak kernel
# sick stone so you're saying your translation is for whatever specific kind of english that ...

This time you omitted on purpose when I mentioned my siblings who live in the UK? 🙂
They're living there since 2000', if you're curious. They don't spend time there with people from our country, to be precise. They have spouses from other continents.
But in some ways, yes. I am not a native in English, so it's natural that I will use my country's version of English and overly proper school English more than one of native ones. There are several native English dialects, by the way.

sick stone
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''We're all using English in our own way'' - can't belive you're actually saying this
fine, go with ''your own way of english'' then, i couldn't care less

sick stone
bleak kernel
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How do you know who calls him in what order and what does that prove in this discussion?

I'm leaving aside that English among Americans is a borrowed language that didn't originate with them. They only have their own relatively modern dialects of English. Same with Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians (who speak English, not French) and so on.

sick stone
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i do know how chinese people calls him and it's the original and i can't be wrong sticking to the original?

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specially when you don't actually know anything about the language and have to rely solely on translate apps?

bleak kernel
sick stone
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keep the orders of the words the same when you include the pinyin
Justina Gu (顾清寒 - Gu Qinghan) not Justina Gu (顾清寒 - Qinghan Gu)

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that's what i think you should do

bleak kernel
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Leave Justina for today.

sick stone
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that's the only issue i had with your work
for now

wary bobcat
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It's not as modular as Western words.

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Need to keep the order of the characters, otherwise it actually screws up the meaning

bleak kernel
# wary bobcat Need to keep the order of the characters, otherwise it actually screws up the me...

Yes, I understand that first name or first name and second name and surname, and with nicknames and titles together can create some significant whole. That's exactly why I'm trying to figure out what is a last name, first name, second name, nickname, title, or something else, why, and in what order, and what it means.
Not everyone in Europe will understand this if they aren't interested in such matters from the Far East. They may not even care at all.
My translation is especially for people from other continents, such as me.
I haven't changed the order of Chinese signs in Chinese names written in Chinese. I copied them in the order in which they were in the original text.
So please don't be the next person to accuse me of something I didn't do. 🙂

sick stone
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Matari chinese name is 迦南 (pinyin: Jia nan), but it's not a literal chinese name, not even a nickname
''jia nan'' is the pronounciation of the word 迦南, but the word itself is actually a transcription of the name Canaan, an ancient Semitic-speaking civilization and region of the Southern Levant during the late 2nd millennium BC (similar to how chinese people calls Newyork 纽约 (pinyin: Niuye)
the word 迦南 - Canaan also appeared on numerous chinese web novels (Soul Land for example, Canaan College)
so i guess chinese people use Canaan to refer to ''people who comes from middle east area'', which explains matari character design

bleak kernel
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fISRU-enXB7o5B2LXtiNyfeFX3fKu5x4boyM8jkokS0/edit?tab=t.0
Satisfied? 🙂

Oh... Soul Land is the same story as Douluo Continent from one drama. I didn't know. 🤔 Good to know.

Google Docs
Characters / Matari

https://www.yjwujian.cn/world/#/hero/jianan Matari (迦南 Jianan / Canaan) * “Jia Nan” is the right pronunciation of 迦南, but it’s actually a transcription of Canaan from an ancient Semitic-speaking civilization and a region of the Southern Levant during the late 2nd millennium BC. Canaan also ap...

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Okay, we've been talking here for over 6 hours.
If you have any more secrets or curiosities to share, feel free to do so. I'll check back later.

sick stone
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same with why the reason for the meaning of 申 being "piercing the sun with an arrow" is letter 申 looks like an arrow piercing the letter 日 which means the sun

mystic palm
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is Kurumi's coming anytime soon?

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think about it, she is Japanese based, tabbie cannot get angry about her name

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@sick stone

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actually japan use the same name format as china and faruviel did the same thing with it so

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i do have issue with it

mystic palm
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Just let me have her bio before me dropping this mashfest

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play cool tabbie

sick stone
mystic palm
bleak kernel
bleak kernel
mystic palm
bleak kernel
# mystic palm

From what I know, the name of Kurumi family's island and it's city, which was or will be officially established / chosen in our international version of the game, is currently being determined / confirmed with the official translator/s.

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Just as Japan consists of several islands, Helioth also consists of several islands. It's in many ways a copy of the real Japan.
Tsuchimikado is apparently also a real-life family name of Onmyoji from Japan, though I wrote about that earlier. In real life, there was even a dynasty of Tsuchimikado among Japanese emperors.

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Old capital city of whole Japan was Kyoto, more modern and the current capital city of whole Japan is Tokyo (Edo).
According to one Wuchen's story, whole Helioth's capital city is Solarus.
Japan mainly use "prefectures" name for it's administrative division, I think.

bleak kernel
mystic palm
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watch out, it bites

mystic palm
bleak kernel
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Kurumi is next in line, after the last card with Tianhai.

mystic palm
bleak kernel
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I will continue to change the descriptions as new information, corrections, etc. appear. So it's best to save the link.
You're welcome, by the way. I hope that many players notice this and use it, among those who would like to read the stories earlier to understand the coming events and don't need those translations to be already perfect in every way.

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I also plan on putting cultivation and showdown stories and item descriptions into separate folders, but there's nothing there for now.

sick stone
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pretty sure on helioth section your translate apps failed to pick up the name of the tsuchimikado person, not that it wasn't mentioned

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土御门役

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idk how to translate chinese to japan so i'm not sure about this 役 name being Eki or Yaku or something else

bleak kernel
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I will look into it again.

bleak kernel
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Hmm, there's a possibility that 役 may be a first name, because it appears twice after his surname. But it's hard to say, it may be a word that plays a different role in the sentence. The sentences in which his last name is mentioned are long and complicated.
役 Yaku means, among other things, a role / position. The translator would suggest that it may refer to the earlier word onmyoji, meaning that his role was that he was an onmyoji, the only one of the three. He wasn't a samurai or being a samurai wasn't his main role.

But someone from the Chinese team would have to comment on this.

In the sentences in Chinese... :

隐族元教弟子李纪在日轮诸岛上寻来了吉光真、土御门役、千鸟雷藏三位勇士，并在三勇士的协助下将扶桑树枝和金乌魂魄碎片锻造成了日轮神枪。

最终李纪用神枪斩杀了八岐大蛇，在斩杀八岐大蛇的瞬间，阴阳师土御门役携带的勾玉和武士千鸟雷藏携带的护心镜都吸收了一部分散逸出的阴阳能量，化成神器。

is "土御门役" the last name and the first name or is "役" not a name at all and this word plays a different role in these sentences?

bleak kernel
sick stone
# bleak kernel Hmm, there's a possibility that 役 may be a first name, because it appears twice ...

there's nothing complicated about the sentence at all
first sentence:

  • Li Ji search for the help from 3 heroes named 吉光真、土御门役、千鸟雷藏
    second sentence:
  • Li Ji used the spear to slay Orochi, at the moment of its death, the Magatama carried by 土御门役 - the Onmyoji and the Heart-guarding mirror carried by 千鸟雷藏 - the Samurai absorbed parts of the scattered Yin Yang energy, turned into sacred artifacts.
bleak kernel
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I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, mind you. Maybe it turns out you got his name right, so I'll correct that then.

sick stone
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while i can say you was relied completely on the translating apps and didn't do a double check leading to you missing the word

bleak kernel
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It doesn't look and sound like his first name to me, but my hunch could be wrong. 🤷‍♀️
I'm just one person and so far it hasn't gone through GhostEyes and Fugui so they haven't had a chance to catch anything. Luckily you're here too and others, so everyone can try to double and triple check something that one person missed.
As I've wrote before, I don't know Chinese, so it isn't news. The only things I can go on are dictionaries, encyclopedias, machine translations, human translations, associations from experience and life, manhua, videos and in-game informations.

bleak kernel
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The real mirror, by the way, is called Yata no Kagami. "Kagami" means mirror in this case. "no" is a link between these two words.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yata_no_Kagami
I so far decided against translating the meaning of the mirror's name to English, only "the mirror" remained at the moment, because I didn't see the name they decided on inside the game (from their Chinese-to-English perspective). Maybe I missed it in the game too.

Names and descriptions of Helioth and Heliothans are a strange combination to me of Chinese and Japanese readings of Chinese signs, in the case of Japanese called Kanji.

Yata no Kagami

Yata no Kagami (八咫鏡) is a sacred bronze mirror that is part of the Imperial Regalia of Japan.

sick stone
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lol no

bleak kernel
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lol no what?

sick stone
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it's not that particular mirror

bleak kernel
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It is... Magatama jade is one of the 3 sacred regalias of Japan too.

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Orochi is also clearly from the Japanese legend of Yamata no Orochi.

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The thing that has been changed is that instead of a sword there is a spear.

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Magatama is called Yasakani no Magatama in Japanese.

sick stone
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that's why i say you know nothing of what you're talking about
it's a mirror, it's a magatama, but it's not that particular mirror or magatama irl which are already sacred artifacts

bleak kernel
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The myth of the founding of the country of Helioth is inspired by myths of the creation of Japan. There're so many references that it's more than obvious. I don't know why you feel the need to deny it at all.

sick stone
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so if you use these terms to refer to those in-game it's just wrong

bleak kernel
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Orochi is inside the game, tabbie.

sick stone
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so?

bleak kernel
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It's a term used inside the game by translators, so?

sick stone
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doesn't mean anything else that is similar to a real life thing must be that thing?

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unless they used the exact same term?

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also i'm pretty sure this Kurumi curio is that sacred mirror that was mentioned in Helioth lore

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bleak kernel
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It's mentioned in Helioth's story that Chidori's family is protecting the mirror, so no. Kurumi can't have it.

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If we have to guess according to this particular story, of course.

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Maybe there will be later a story that the mirror ended up in Kurumi's hands somehow. It isn't impossible. But so far we don't have such story.

sick stone
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it's description says that Li Ji crafted it on Helioth

bleak kernel
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Hmm, that would mean Li Ji could create the mirror and the magatama too. But from the story it seems as if he created only the spear that became one of the 3 sacred ones and went under Kusaka family.
Well, either way, I don't see any reason why the 3 sacred things aren't the reference to the 3 sacred regalias. While I see many reasons why they are. Maybe the Glazed Mirror is the sacred mirror of Chidori family. Or maybe it's another mirror.

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Another thing that could be confirmed with the Chinese team, for sure.

sick stone
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exactly, so if it's another mirror then the Chidori mirror could also be a different mirror not the Yata no Kagami

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that's why don't use that term to refers to the mirror in the story

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they're obviously inspired/taken from real life stories and legends, but don't assume they're the same unless the wording clearly indicate it

bleak kernel
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No, I am writing that Glazed Mirror can be a different mirror or can be that mirror, but that mirror is an obvious reference to the regalia.

sick stone
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yea it is a reference, doesn't mean it's the same thing

bleak kernel
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It means the same thing, but details are changed in Naraka's story, because it's a fantasy.

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The sword is a spear, not a sword. Shinto gods are Heralds, instead of Shinto gods.

sick stone
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😂 again you don't know what you're talking about yet you're so stubborn with being right

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sure

bleak kernel
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That's the greatest thing about fantasy, that you can refer to legends and religions from all over the world, from history and to history, so that people will know or even get to know something new and something interesting from the real world and have fun with it.
Your arguments are heading in a direction like you don't like it that people from other countries can find out what it all refers to. In my view, in this case, there's not much to even guess and wonder, because references are very clear.
If you think you know better, then good for you. I'm happy for you.
You've read my opinion on this case too.

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On the same occasion, we can see how translators decided to write Li Ji inside the English version of the game. At least on this one item.

sick stone
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that's the thing, all these game fantasy stuffs was inspired by/refer to real life stuffs but you can't just say that they're the same 🙂 mirror as a sacred atifacts/divine thingy that could protect you from evil is a detail that is widely spread in eastern cultures, not just japan, so you boldly acclaim that the mirror in the story MUST be that sacred mirror in japanese myth is just plained dumb
another example: in naraka, jiling emperor character was obviously inspired by real life qin shi huang 秦始皇, the story between jiling emperor and his concubine yu taizhen was obviously inspired from the story of daji and zhouwang 妲己紂王 but they can't be ''the same'' because qin shi huang and zhouwang was 2 different china emperors of 2 different eras, how hard is this to understand?

sick stone
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unless they're translated (shen miao - feria shen, gu qing han - justina gu, ning hong ye - viper ning...), if a character with a chinese name gets to keep their original names written in pinyin it will follows the chinese character order, this has always been the case

bleak kernel
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Maybe let me put it another way, it looks like you're getting outraged or upset about something that for me and many others isn't a problem at all.
Not all the details of those characters and items have to match with their real life equivalents and history and isn't about all the details matching.
No one who uses loose translations, because they don't have access to better ones, will start a war over something like that.
What matters is what it's referring to and how it's used in Naraka's story.
I won't make you understand, I can't and I don't want to force you to understand, so if you don't understand my point of view then you don't understand. We shouldn't drag this topic here, I don't see any sense in dragging it.

quasi lily
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How is Takeda connected to Tarka? In the Lunar Pavilion you can buy Takeda’s outfit and from there I understood that Takeda and Tarka had a duel and Tarka won(?). And Tarka also has in battle lines like “Loyal as ever Takeda”…

sick stone
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they're friend
when takeda and kurumi arrived on icuria, some thug bothered kurumi and takeda slapped them with ease, one dude saw this and talked takeda into participating in a sparring-for-money arena, takeda then managed to beat every challengers, then tarka comes, they fought and later become friend

quasi lily
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Where is that written?

sick stone
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tarka cultivation stories

bleak kernel
bleak kernel
quasi lily
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🤔

safe bronze
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Who the is new guy turns find in the rift?

obsidian frigate
glossy dirge
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He a collab character??

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Was so confused on what was happening in the trailer lol

obsidian frigate
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Inor is not collab character

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but we have a collab character coming

glossy dirge
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Was he the one that saved cyra?

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From the looks of it, his might a be a luv story ?? Tianhai_KimchiDerp

obsidian frigate
# glossy dirge Was he the one that saved cyra?

Ya he is kinda her Escort / body guard guy , in the teaser we saw him go through rift (different universe ) and when he comes back he is talking to the Evil Cyra (mobile version cyra) and she asking if he met the other (our PC Cyra )

glossy dirge
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Ohhhhhh!!!!!! This funna be interesting!!!, already liking him lmao,

bleak kernel
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I wonder if Cyra has some ability to peer into alternate realities in visions or dreams.

obsidian frigate
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I thought Cyra was a Nun in Fancy dress.

bleak kernel
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Well, she is.

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A priestess from the religion of both Yang and Yin (light and darkness) in Lunazra.

sick stone
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looks like he took the request of escorting our cyra from lunarza to icuria, but he lost her on the way, she got yeeted into a different universe
he's opening portals to different universes trying to get her back but haven't found her yet, instead he grabbed the wrong cyra (dark cyra from mobile)

bleak kernel
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Yes, seems like it. It makes sense how mobile's Cyra and PC's Cyra are connected.

sick stone
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bandit shayol is cool lol

obsidian frigate
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Looks like the Dark Cyra likes this guy.

sick stone
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yueshan on the other hands lmfao, in all universes this guy is a man of duty

obsidian frigate
sick stone
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justina became maiden of yushan and viper is the one that betrayed

bleak kernel
obsidian frigate
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nah this new character is more like America Chavez

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there's like only one of him across all universes

sick stone
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they're not extremes, and their quality is way above standard legendaries

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and they comes in pair

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yeah in a series

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nezha zai and aobing valda also belong to scroll of immortals series

obsidian frigate
sick stone
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i don't think shayol will be in yin yang, the quality is kinda low

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for an yin yang skin

obsidian frigate
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no wait Shayol and Yeshan was announced for July 8th but not Justina and Viper or Cyra so you might be right

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Cyra being the final drop.

stray phoenix
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the lore event for Inor will be particularly interesting to read through

fossil flower
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Ahhh so excited for them

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Oh wait maybe it’s a good thing if they are in the yin Yang pool

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Chances to get them all are much higher

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Than opening treasures..lol

sick stone
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yeah

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them being yin yang pool could be a good news

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sick stone
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they don't usually add 5 skins to shop on the same day unless it's a collab

obsidian frigate
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new mode and all was good but nothing got me as excited as knowing the existence of a Rogue Shayol in Naraka Multiverse.

obsidian frigate
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My frame by frame analysis of trailer is done.

sick stone
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her new hairstyle looks like zai mobile hairstyle

obsidian frigate
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This is the time line when Daelyn returned to Yushan with her elder daughter Justina and left Shayol behind with Crown Prince. A shayol trained by Crown prince and now the rebel head bringing nothing but chaos to Icuria to bring the empire down.

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why did viper betrayed yushan though

obsidian frigate
# sick stone why did viper betrayed yushan though

Viper never liked Yushan blind beliefs and saw her mother who got consumed by it when Daelyn left Yushan. then Daelyn , once the Matron of Yushan, returned years later as a fanatical follower of Yueshan leaving behind Shayol and Crown prince behind. She had a plan: to twist Justina into a weapon of glory and ruin.
Viper saw through it. To stop Daelyn’s twisted vision, she killed her. But it was already too late—Justina had been fully consumed by her mother’s teachings. Now, she sees Viper not as family, but as a traitor to Yushan.

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ah

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mothers

obsidian frigate
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ok with my 1% lore knowledge i cooked this up.

sick stone
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maybe you can come up with how this is also the 8th price doing. How he managed to use Daelyn into his grand plan to take over Icuria Empire. Aconita was never in his plan he simply used her and throw her away but Daelyn was the key to destroy Crown Prince. @sick stone

sick stone
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are we writing stories now lmfao

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stray phoenix
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fanfiction channel in the works

sick stone
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on my naraka multiverse justina killed viper

stray phoenix
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in my naraka multiverse tianhai has long hair

sick stone
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joke on you he does have long hair on original naraka

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😂

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hey im new to naraka and my fav right now is tessa whats her lore i legit know nothing

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👀

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She is a good girl who needs a head pat

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# deep idol hey im new to naraka and my fav right now is tessa whats her lore i legit know n...

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mPAjVJAzLGPDzUzYdzPlUWxQhyFoQFuB
Here are stories about places / maps that we have so far inside the game. It's good to read them at the very beginning, after that it's easier to understand everything else.

Tessa is a Herald (another species of humanoids that was existing before humans) from a Psylith sect and she carries a spirit of an ancient fox inside her.
Stories of Perdoria mention her previous incarnation, or at least previous incarnation of her fox spirit.

I will add Tessa's stories from Cultivation and Showdown in English, I will give you a link.

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the vixen in perdoria story is not her, it's her older sister

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yu taizhen

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she could returned to psylith and get the fox spirit removed from her to then put on tessa

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or they could be 2 different fox spirit

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or it's the same one but like fragments of it, like the ancient fox spirit is something that Psylith sect owned for ages, the source of their power

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tessa's mother nuxin has planned for the rebellion for ages, yu taizhen marrying jiling emperor may as well is just a part of her original plan, but the plan failed because yu taizhen actually falls in love with jiling emperor, to then got betrayed by him

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so she shifted it to tessa instead

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I think the tips indicate that this may be the same fox spirit. It's called an ancient spirit and the story of Taizhen happened a long time ago.
I think she died, that seems like her choice in Perdoria's stories.
It looks like Heralds can die. They aren't immortal in the sense that nothing can kill them. They're immortal in the sense that they won't die of old age.
Whether that fox spirit is a part of Tessa or something independent is a separate question.
Since that's the Psylith sect's ability to manipulate souls and spirits, I think this spirit or spirits are separate beings. They themselves aren't foxes or other kinds of animals / beings, they just use their spirits and/or souls for their gains.

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obviously heralds can die, the thing is taizhen KNEW that jiling emperor wanted her dead

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unless she's willingly accepted it, none of the people there are capable of killing her

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Precisely, it's written that she allowed herself to be killed.

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But she was heartbroken and didn't want to.

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I guess we'll find out in the comic / manhua when the story reaches the appropriate stage.

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i found the detail that said she escaped

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玉太真体内灵狐，附身宫女逃出生天，自此不知所踪

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so no she's not dead

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The fox spirit from her body, not her.

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The fox spirit and her soul and her body are separate things.

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you don't know that lol

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yeah ok

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so it's still unknow if she's truly dead or not
though her corpse is burried under perdoria's arcadia

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a little trivia: yu taizhen was originally arranged to marry yaqi zi, the psylth genius who later turned into orochi
but she refused it and choose to became jiling emperor's cocubine despite her mother warned her not to trust human

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tessa mocks furen (what's left of yaqi zi) with it when she freed him

bleak kernel
# sick stone tessa mocks furen (what's left of yaqi zi) with it when she freed him

I intend to look at Chinese and Japanese versions of cultivation stories of Tessa too, so I will see what's interesting there.
In the English version, Tessa first keep escaping and then she tries to seduce him, and then pushed Takamori to deal with him, with whom she slept earlier as a reward for his help. 😅 Rin chases Takeda for killing Takamori, while Takamori didn't even mind to cheat Rin with Tessa, what a drama. 😄

bleak kernel
# deep idol hey im new to naraka and my fav right now is tessa whats her lore i legit know n...

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1XxtfjZ0fbxrL9b-g_Zys2s04xcIWQ_G-
Tessa appears in Showdown's stories of Manticore's Hunt.
Manticore is a pet of Psylith's Elder Gain.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ETcGYcYZno9T3_Fh4OPDAOF4_hm5cdIa
Cultivation stories of Tessa. Only from the English version, for now.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1XnfRkuvcQA-vqTyHKH_95G8r5wbaL855
The highest folder of my Google drive.

Also, browse and read descriptions of Tessa's items and various weapons inside the game. 🙂 Especially gold and red objects have descriptions that contain - can be said - Easter Eggs regarding the plot of the game and all characters, not only playable ones.
I won't put them all on the google drive today, because it would take too much time. In addition, some are limited in time and if someone doesn't buy them, then they will no longer be available in a preview after some time.

Google Drive
Naraka - Google Drive

Naraka

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hi

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Guys a general question, which character do you personally think has the best lore

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Personally for me I would say zai Kylin_hearty

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Wuchen

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zai

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or

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jg

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zai

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oh

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But now that you have opened up another Convo, why is that you rarely have any favourites in anything thou TianHai_thinking

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Naraka Multiverse Fan Fiction Story

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Twenty-five years ago, the Eighth Prince of the Icuria Empire suffered a crushing defeat in the distant land of Holoroth. Fleeing into the snow-covered mountains, he was rescued by Aconita Ning, then current Dark Maiden of Yushan. Love quietly bloomed between them. But after ascending to the position of Yushan Matron, Aconita discovered she was pregnant—only to learn that the Eighth Prince had absconded with her successor Daelyn.
Eight Prince who never loved Aconita then used Daelyn to escape from Yushan and pushed her off a waterfall to kill her.
But Daelyn did not die.
She was found by the Crown Prince, the Eighth Prince’s half-brother. He took her in, unaware of her past, and tended to her wounds. The trauma had robbed her of her memories. With no past, no name, she stayed by the Crown Prince’s side. In time, they fell in love. She bore him two daughters—Justina, the firstborn, and Shayol, the younger.
When the Eighth Prince returned, fueled by vengeance, he accused his brother of treason—claiming he had married a Yushan Maiden, breaking ancient treaties. The Crown Prince denied it, unaware of Daelyn’s true origins. But when Daelyn saw the Eighth Prince again… her memory came flooding back—and so did the pain.
She remembered the betrayal.The blood.

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And she remembered who she truly was: Matron of Yushan.
Now burning with righteous fury—not just at the Eighth Prince, but at all of Icuria—she turned to her daughter Justina, who had begun to manifest divine frost and spirit qi stronger than any Yushan heir in generations. Daelyn saw in her a perfect successor—a vessel who could bring Yushan’s will down upon the Empire that scorned her.
When the Eighth Prince attempted to kill them all by fire, Daelyn escaped with Justina. But she made a choice—she left her younger daughter, Shayol, and the Crown Prince behind.
Daelyn returned to Yushan with fire in her heart and a divine heir at her side.
And from that day forward, she no longer believed in peace—only power.

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Daughter of Aconita Viper ning and Justina grew up together in Yushan. Viper Ning never believed in Yushan’s cold traditions which consumed her mother. She hated what it tried to make her—and hated even more that her sister by heart, Justina, embraced it.
Daelyn, obsessed with power and legacy wanted Justina to lead Yushan to glory—and destruction.
Viper tried to stop her. She killed Daelyn to save Justina from being used. But it was too late. Justina had already been shaped by their mother’s will. Now, she sees Viper as a traitor, not a savior.
Meanwhile, the youngest sister, Shayol Wei, raised far from Yushan by the now-ruling Eighth Prince, chose her own path. No gods. No loyalty. Just truth.

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