👾┃showdown

[cerulean temple]

[cursive fable]

highest amount of stone is 7 fatigue dangers in the deep

around 700 stones a week

[valid roost]

Not even just new players but it's a struggle to build a full new set with that

[cerulean temple]

time to destroy ice build

all of it

[balmy urchin]

It's underwhelming that the last souljade you get from the Nightscream version of the new boss is only to add additional mark.

[cursive fable]

ice build is essentially useless for badges

[fierce light]

I don't think that's to maximize damage tbh. Since you can't get the same non-rare on the same jade, that's at least 1 Attack and 1 Primary DMG Bonus that's missing from that one jade.

Likely was made with switching builds easier in mind.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light i think its still the best ,assuming you scale equally from attack/astral damage/thundr damage/boss damage

6x4.5=27

assuming each attribute is 1, windfall makes it 1.5

[fierce light]

It gives you an extra 2s of leeway. For example, it makes doing this more comfortable:

[fierce light]

If you want to scale 4 different non-rares equally, you can just do:

• x4 [Moderation]
• x6 Stat 1 (6 Stat Value)
• x6 Stat 2 (6 Stat Value)
• x6 Stat 3 (6 Stat Value)
• x6 Stat 4 (6 Stat Value)
  -# Total Stat Value = 24

Doing it your way, that would be:

• x4 [Moderation]
• x6 [Windfall]
• x5 Stat 1 (7.5 Stat Value)
• x5 Stat 2 (7.5 Stat Value)
• x4 Stat 3 (6 Stat Value)
• x4 Stat 4 (6 Stat Value)
  -# Total Stat Value = 27

So while it does give more overall stat value, it also gives priority to 2 stats alongside costing more than 3 times as many Rare Attributes on average.

[cursive fable]

for jade 5-7 that would be value of 4 instead of 4.5 ?

are there any other combination to make it 27 ?

4 mods must be the same jade to make it 27 i think?

ya i was wondering why the top CN players has 4 mods on the same jade, they have like thousands of mats saved up

[fierce light]

There's:

• x4 [Moderation]
• x3 [Windfall]
• x6 Stat 1
  -# (3 × 1.5) + (3 × 1) = 7.5
• x5 Stat 2
  -# (2 × 1.5) + (3 × 1) = 6
• x5 Stat 3
  -# (2 × 1.5) + (3 × 1) = 6
• x5 Stat 4
  -# (2 × 1.5) + (3 × 1) = 6

that gives 25.5 Stat Value with half the amount of Rare Attributes spent.

I doubt any build wants a truly equal split among 4 non-Rare Attributes though. There's:

• 4 Rare Attributes Spent: 24 Stat Value
• 7 Rare Attributes Spent: 25.5 Stat Value
• 13 Rare Attributes Spent: 27 Stat Value

[cursive fable]

13 Rare Attributes Spent: 27 Stat Value , i think this one is 10 rare attribute spent?

since its 4 mod and 6 windfall

[fierce light]

• 1st Mod + 6 Windfalls = 7 Rares Spent
• 2nd, 3rd & 4th Mod = 3 × 2 Rares Spent
  7 + 3 × 2 = 13

It looks like 4 Mod + 0 Windfalls will always give 24 Stat Value, 4 Mod + 1-7 Windfalls spread evenly will give 25.5 Stat Value and 4 Mod on one jade + 6 Windfall spread evenly gives 27 Stat Value.

[signal kite]

[plain spire]

12 boss fight in enigma domain now...

[fierce light]

Yeah Enigma Topaz got a buff last season.

[shrewd mesa]

whats the ideal build for shayol atm

[shy canyon]

just build thunder counter set and general sap to use ultimate

[shrewd mesa]

gotcha

[shy canyon]

+2 toppled mountains doom trios

[shy canyon]

i think it's best build for shayol wei can use V and healing amor

[shrewd mesa]

yea

i hope her curio is a yang

[shy canyon]

me too

[valid roost]

New Nirriti hard record at 2:58, cannon sure is OP af in nirriti

[amber terrace]

@balmy coral nirriti ruin?

[balmy coral]

Sunday so drinking

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Jinu ❀ leveled up!

[balmy coral]

Oh ye fucing nirriti fuc u

I will grind later on this week

[amber terrace]

geehhh

[balmy coral]

Showdown is gae

[versed barn]

@fierce light this tortoise buff duration is too short

[chrome seal]

Kinda
But rift is even more that

[kind escarp]

is shayol's shield throw stronger than hydroflare

[fierce light]

No.

• Shield Throw: 51.75
• Scorching: 54.00

[kind escarp]

oh ok thanks bro

[kind escarp]

ig it is harder without dual mark one

[kind escarp]

kind of feels weird doing shayol's AB

i was using smth like this..stil dont know how to feel about it

[fierce light]

Yeah that's the build I'm using, minus Defuse · Thunder Charge.

[kind escarp]

i changed earlier one a bit to this...i think this one feels a bit better..tho have to focus on defuse counterattack and aegis break only

almost got furry lady 52% left

ig ill just remove defuse thuder charge lol

ah nvm i need it for the potential...50% acc

[fierce light]

Accumulation rate shouldn't matter much for this build. The Threefold Attacks hit hard enough to proc any element.

Huanyue keeps killing me when I get to the 9th or 10th boss with her undefusable attacks.

Sucks being only level 52 cause I spent fatigue early

[kind escarp]

ooh..ok

so just replace it with tcounter?

just changed the potential a bit

[fierce light]

Yeah

That'll allow you to get Heaven and Earth Mark quickly

[kind escarp]

okay

didnt know i could spam shayol's AB

[fierce light]

You'll have to delay it a bit too generate Mortal Marks consistently

[kind escarp]

oh yes...its way stronger lol

[quaint girder]

I am building armor Shayol for the memes

I wish scaling didn't pigeon hole you into straight attack

I wish Rage or Armor were viable

[fierce light]

Her Shield Throw only gets 3% stronger per 1000 Armor lol, crazy

I can see why though, cause if you're unkillable with high armor, would be unbalanced to make you hit hard too

[limpid pecan]

haha unbalanced

like showdown has any balance whatsoever

[fierce light]

Fair
Even then, it would need some really high scaling to qualify for its own build like Kylin

[limpid pecan]

yeah

i dont really get the way they are pushing showdown forward

seems rn they want every new hero to have some hero specific build

but they take 0 steps to let people have more than 1 build

they even actively punish people for trying

RIP lotus build

[compact fable]

Hai anyone knows where do I get the breakthrough aura ?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Rosy leveled up!

[limpid pecan]

every week u have quest 10 showdown games

it gives 1

thats about it

occassionally there is an event

where u get more

[compact fable]

Thank you c:

[limpid pecan]

i didnt check in detail

but maybe battlepass has some?

[compact fable]

I’ll check

There is not

[fierce light]

That's mainly with the Curios, but outside of it there's more flexibility

[limpid pecan]

well zai for instance is just absolute ass

[fierce light]

That's why we need another end game doesn't include Curios or at least ends when Tempered Inferno ends

[limpid pecan]

how on earth is she supposed to do something if skyfire deals zero dmg

[fierce light]

Cause this saving up to make one build for the final week is absolute garbage

The Lv. 21 change at least makes the Burn from her ult more effective

[kind escarp]

yeah lol... it feels like "work for 50 years and u can retire then and enjoy life"

[covert olive]

Dunno if im late or cant find the correct ping but

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Vladen/Yiling leveled up!

[covert olive]

Anyone knows a good build for wuchen this season?

[kind escarp]

prob his old swarm build or poison mark build

[covert olive]

can i dm ya rq?

[kind escarp]

nah..i dont dm ppl

ask here

[covert olive]

so i got this one

and this one

i havent played showdown in ages so i aint sure which of these would be okay?

i dont do ranged builds tho

[kind escarp]

this one is kinda useless now cuz dont have lotus potential

[kind escarp]

this one is pretty decent

[covert olive]

build this then?

[limpid pecan]

tbh if they removed curios and inferno completely

it would be better at this point

its like they learn nothing

from the past

we used to have atrocious rng system for jades before

[kind escarp]

there's another one...not sure which one is better tho..1min

[limpid pecan]

so now they are like ok we add curios with this

[kind escarp]

also there's the new jade set so u better wait a bit more

[fierce light]

Even better,

• Limit Curios to only Tempered Inferno and a select End-game.
• Allow us to Recast (Curio) Attributes with Tempered Curio Essence.

That would reduce the required Curio grind, but also prevent non-Curio builds from being useless.

[limpid pecan]

just make curios permanent or delete entirely

the only reason they did it

is so people need to grind all season

[kind escarp]

u can try this one as well

[limpid pecan]

before if u had fragments technically u just needed showdown lvl

then u were good to go

[turbid agate]

Yeah curios should be permanent, just release them and inferno when peak comes out

[covert olive]

ty

[limpid pecan]

better would be system where each week leaderboard finish counts

and they make it easy to change builds

like instead of recasting souljades, we recast stats

so we can swap jades with same stats

[chrome seal]

This the worst build
Completely useless without curio

[kind escarp]

which one is better

surge one or mark one

[kind escarp]

https://youtu.be/C3y23CTRMcE?si=U6MONQpMDJjdJal5

check his channel for some more info

[kind escarp]

tbh...i like the mark one

it match him a lot

[covert olive]

ty

[bold folio]

anyone is playing NR nighscream now?

SEA server

[kind escarp]

i could join but idk if it will crash my game

[south bone]

Hello everyone, what level of fatigue does one need to be during an adventure to get the lotus of luck?

[kind escarp]

what

[south bone]

or a golden chest

[kind escarp]

oh that lotus ding thing?

idk didnt see any from months..lotus/chest

[south bone]

2 minuts

i take photo lotos

[kind escarp]

ive only seen only couple of ppl getting it

[fierce light]

Very random. I only got one from all of last season and that literally my last fatigue spent.

[south bone]

Could it be that I scored 2400 and they didn't give it to me at all?

[sweet star]

is there any site to check builds?

[kind escarp]

yes...check pins but still dont have the new ones

[kind escarp]

is it duo or do u have a 3rd..im fine if its just duo

[bold folio]

im not that powerful yet haha

im not confident over myselg

[kind escarp]

well..its better for me the less ppl in the game

less crash possibility

less lag and less animation delay

[bold folio]

its okay lets try it

[kind escarp]

ok then..whats ur id

[bold folio]

12183500010168

[kind escarp]

this?

[bold folio]

yes

[kind escarp]

okay im closing discord..check there

[bold folio]

okay

[fierce light]

Yes, I've pretty much cleared all fatigue since they added it, only got one.

[drifting lance]

🎉 | OMLANDAH leveled up!

[timid heath]

[kind escarp]

fug yushan and her nasty whip

[valid roost]

I'd say her whipsword should be a weapon skin but I guess it's too similar to the extreme one we have already

[turbid agate]

Its literally the extreme Lich.

[kind escarp]

i hate her...she's like my worst enemy in the game

but ig it's good they added her to topaz

she was bullying me so hard in ti

still can't read her single move

https://tenor.com/view/beaver-nats-gif-20689581

[fierce light]

@quaint girder ready?

[quaint girder]

not yet, will you be available in an hour?

[fierce light]

Yeah

Looks like 62 is my cap this week

Hopefully can reach 100 next reset.

[cyan spire]

Hello everyone 👋
I am new to Naraka Bladepoint

I am LIVE now on TikTok playing the game
Come join the stream:

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[kind escarp]

yes might be enough

im gonna stop at 82...don't wanna waste those boosters

[fierce light]

Ew, they ended us on a mob stage

[timid heath]

oley be

[valid roost]

Her weapon on the boss doesn't have the dragon head on it so technically it's different 🧠

[valid roost]

My most hated boss is Korvine but that's purely a skill issue and I just suck at knowing when she'll actually attack despite how telegraphed she is

[turbid agate]

https://tenor.com/view/same-gif-8650053

[valid roost]

Clark Kent ass weapon

[fathom edge]

Same. Absolutely hate Korvine

[valid roost]

It's the delay between attacks that gaslights me every time

[amber terrace]

Waahhhh

[viscid wraith]

[kind escarp]

she used to be for me as well but topaz fixed it tbh

best mode if u wanna get used to a boss

ig its my 1st time seeing yushan in topaz

[round glacier]

Old wolf head lady with cane is by far worst boss

[warped bluff]

what do you use instead?

[quaint girder]

I'm ready now

[fair shuttle]

how to get the material for lvl 21 in showdown?

[warped bluff]

basically weekly quests so far

sometimes there are events giving you one extra but this is your main source to get the upgrade materials

"complete 10 showdown level"

[viscid wraith]

probably dual spirit marks

[warped bluff]

this will be the one you're looking for

[fierce light]

Dual Spirit Marks

[fierce light]

Okay, I'll be on in a couple minutes

[warped bluff]

Thank you very much

[quaint girder]

waiting for you ig

[fierce light]

Loading in

[fair shuttle]

so 1 lvl per week? damn thats so low

[warped bluff]

yes

[fierce light]

Gotta spend them wisely

[cursive fable]

most ppl have justinas at level 25

[amber terrace]

new jades + poison jades is it good for luck build?

x3 wf, x1 luck

[fierce light]

Yeah ig since they have high base dmg

but not really good for mobbing.

[amber terrace]

mobbing do wuchen =))

[fierce light]

Okay just tried it on Wuchen and wow it's much better for mobbing.

[amber terrace]

[turbid agate]

so new jades looking good so far?

[amber terrace]

can't know if they remove potential in next season

[turbid agate]

for new jades? i doubt it, they just came out lol

unless they troll us

[amber terrace]

lotus got it =))

[valid roost]

It would be kinda wack if they just decided to up and remove the element/surge potential

Unless the next chopping block is hydroflare potential

[cursive skiff]

hi

[fierce light]

They're interesting.

Probably the highest skill cap we've had so far, but also has some RNG in it that other builds haven't till now.

I am noticing a weakness in that overly mobile bosses hurt it quite a bit. Which sucks cause they just adding ones that constantly fly.

[fierce light]

I could only see them removing that if they add a weaker version of Blazing Flame's effect as a constant for Burn.

Otherwise, Scorching will become useless again, which I think they're trying to avoid.

[valid roost]

I can't see what other direction they take potential in if they continue to change it every season like they've been doing

Element surge potential remains as relevant as ever before curios

[fierce light]

Yeah Ice Surge still one of the strongest, if not the strongest mobbing build we have atm

[turbid agate]

Yup would suck to remove surge potential

[valid roost]

So really none of the potential trees can be removed unless the idea is this is the permanent tree, and they just change the actual buffs inside

I get removing lotus since it was almost worthless by now

[fierce light]

That line of Curios will be useless as well

[valid roost]

Yeah... and unfortunately will probably only further incentivize they don't rerun curios

[fierce light]

Wonder if we'll finally get a General Curio for Burn. Or will they do it for Threefold only.

If they give Threefold Mark something like Sutra, I could see it staying competitive with Curios.

[limpid pecan]

how good are these threefold marks?

[fierce light]

They hit extremely hard with proper set up.

Against more aggressive bosses, you'd probably want to go for Azure Draco Break, while less aggressive ones Vermillion Bird Scorch.

[limpid pecan]

how do these marks even work?

i know u get them by using defuse/parry/aegis break

and black tortoise aid is shayol specific?

[fierce light]

Acquiring Marks
Heaven (Gold Symbol)

• Landing any Counterstrike (excludes Kylin's Counterslash)
  Earth (Blue Symbol)
• Landing any Defuse Counterattack
  Mortal (Purple Symbol)
• Landing any Aegis-break Martial Skill

Threefold Moves
Black Tortoise's Aid

• Heaven + Earth + Mortal
  -# Order doesn't matter
  White Tiger Bane
• Heaven ×3
  Azure Draco Break
• Earth ×3
  Vermilion Bird Scorch
• Mortal ×3

[valid roost]

It'd be fun to build if it didn't mean risking losing mats to build for curio time

[viscid wraith]

yeah this season is really short

[valid roost]

I want to try it on Matari because I have to imagine vermillion bird scorch is great on her, and easy to proc too without much hassle

[viscid wraith]

maybe one windfall each jade is enough

[cerulean temple]

is the new souljades better than thunder scorch build ?

[fierce light]

On paper they can be. Thunder Scorch Surge is much more comfortable to play though, with less DPS lost from failure.

[cerulean temple]

i tried the new souljades , i cant figure out what the yellow buffs give

[fierce light]

Meanwhile, if you miss a Threefold Attack, you mine as well restart your run. If you manage to land it outside of the BTA buff, then it'll do 1/4th of the damage.

[fierce light]

-# ME = Mark Enhancement node on Potential

[cerulean temple]

It might work for solo paragon 20 i guess

[fierce light]

For mobs though, like the current stage, it's not worth going for BTA

Just spam 3x Mortal

[cerulean temple]

I wonder which boss we are g oing to get in paragon 20

Must be one of the new ones

[fierce light]

It's usually always the newest boss

[cerulean temple]

i will have to learn the pattern

doesnt feel that hard tho

[valid roost]

I don't think there'll even be a Paragon 20

Season 3 went up to Paragon 10 and that was just as long a season

[cerulean temple]

Im excited for this season , time to grind

[fierce light]

Season is shorter?

Oh, lemme add some counters

[limpid pecan]

its just 3 months now no?

its alteranating 3 and 6

[fierce light]

Enigma Peak will open <t:1776294000:R>, on <t:1776294000:F>.

Tempered Inferno will open <t:1779228000:R>, on <t:1779228000:F>.

Season 5.0 Rimeflame will end <t:1781564400:R>, on <t:1781564400:F>.

Huh, this season is short.

[fierce light]

Kinda wish they stuck with their X.0 and X.5 nomenclature.

Damn, that's not really enough time to invest in 2 builds

I guess I'll dip my toe into Threefold, just getting single rares. Then I'll decide from there.

[limpid pecan]

man thats so sad to read it hurts

xD

3 months not even to try 1 build

XD

what is showdown even at this point

[fierce light]

I'll spend the rest into my Matari build I didn't finish last season

[valid roost]

I can't imagine how disastrous of a grind it'd be if we were still leveling up souljades directly

[viscid wraith]

[valid roost]

I wasn't around for when that was a thing but I hear it was horrible

[limpid pecan]

to be honest its not much of a difference

and later in season u have some blue jades stocked up so u can level up instantly

its nice QoL to have showdown lvl instead

but its not like they changed a whole lot

[fierce light]

It increased the value of Blue Souljades ever so slightly and removed the initial expenditure. Pretty decent QoL, but there's still the gapping issue of the reliance on Rare Attributes.

[limpid pecan]

they really need to disjoint stats from jades

also tbh they should rework materials

just remove carved crystals

entirely

[fierce light]

It's crazy, they can give Rift Traversal a really solid gearing system, but butcher Showdown like this.

[limpid pecan]

yeah rift has way better gear

even looting is more interesting

at least u look at some cool jpg

sparkling red

instead of grueling jade fragment slog

and also something like half of showdown gameplay

is loading screens

or settlement screens

showdown doesnt have a single mode that gives u 20-25min satisfying game to play

tbh i kinda wonder whats the point of fatigue even at this point

the people who grind showdown religiously have vast stockpiles anyway

they can make any build day 1

its just a way to cut off legs from new/returning/periodic players

[fierce light]

They could do a lot of stuff:

Remove Armor and Weapon Rarity Upgrades from Hero Levels

• Instead, have preset Armor and Weapon as possible drops from varying levels.

Remove Attributes from Souljades

• Instead, have Attributes be a removable item from Armor/Weapon slots that you can upgrade over time.

Rework the Souljade Rarity System

• Instead of certain Souljades being Epic or Legendary, have all Souljades able to upgrade to Extreme with increasing strength (similar to Curio rarities).

Remove all Infinite RNG Systems

• Attribute Value can have lower chances to upgrade at higher amounts, but has a set amount of attempts until it's guaranteed.
• Allow Tempered Essence to be used to Recast Attributes on Curios. Recast attempts can not result in the same Attribute that was present before the attempt.
• • 30-50 Tempered Essence can be combined into an item, that when used, allows an Attribute of the player's choice to appear.

[misty bridge]

[limpid pecan]

all sounds pretty good

tbh maybe adding rift economy to showdown

would be nice

we sell/buy materials on market

craft stuff

etc

also idk these showdown stages

are so barebones

its either just boss

or

[cursive fable]

gotta save up all the mats

[limpid pecan]

go and clear 3-4 mob camps

[cursive fable]

if you wanna competefor top 1

[limpid pecan]

and open chest

i gave up on that

the bosses are just more and more cancer

grind is more and more

and curio rng on top of that

i cba anymore

tbh i think first yama was actually best

it just needed some way to obtain ur jades

in consistent manner

people would say it had more rng but idk

new yama has even worse rng

u need to fish for specific boss attacks

or avoid bs like manticore iron skin

at least showdown is crazy for farming quests

on other hand lotus ding

ngl showdown players have it rough

in rift u have lotus ding 24/7

[valid roost]

I don't agree with the first point because we really don't need yet another item to worry about dropping in showdown in any form, having that be a guarantee via level ups is fine. But the rest would be better

Plus you get it once and now what reason would you have to farm it again if armor/weapon rarity was a thing

Having stats you could swap around would actually incentivize building multiple characters

[limpid pecan]

just make weapons/armors with random stats/effects

problem is rn the showdown building is atrocious

its just clicking simulator

with awful rng

and heavy grind requirement

most of good PVE games make it fun to loot because u always have chance to obtain the perfect item

in showdown its essentially impossible to obtain anywhere close to perfect jade

imagine u could sometimes drop jade with double windfall for instance

would actually feel exciting

instead u drop loot that is atrocious

and requires hundreds of fragments to become good

its like playing rift but u only loot blue and grey items

ye eventually u can sell enough of them to buy red u need

but there is no fun in that

if they at least detach stats from jades

it would be nice for trying out builds

and then instead they could introduce new stat every season or something

like idk

threefold mark dmg +X%

so we can grind some new stats

if we want new build

but after that

we get to try out any configuration we can think of

also tbh

showdown levels

are often designed in annoying way

like for example archers on houses

are really annoying

especially for heroes without mobile Fs

[dark dust]

Did anyone figure out how shayol was doing that crazy damage in the trailer?

[fierce light]

This trailer?

What part?

[dark dust]

My bad @fierce light i didn’t mean the trailer it was early gameplay of shayol in showdown

[fierce light]

No idea what vid that is then, unless you have a link.

[kind escarp]

add a 2nd page for potentials with new 4 more nodes

[viscid wraith]

I cant imagine playing kylin without thunder surge

[shrewd mesa]

should i be trying to max my jades or getting my 2 rares first

[timid heath]

[chrome seal]

Numbers matter less than right stats
There's a pin of recasting strategies, check that out

[signal kite]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-gif-27092095

10000% agree

[limpid pecan]

tbh i think diablo 3 system would be best overall

u drop gear with random stats

and u can pick only one stat to reroll to stat of choice

and max value

and for yama u just add "all stats have max value"

so people can grind their gear infinitely effectively

because its extremely unlikely u hit max stats on 3 stats out of 4 or something

rerolling one stat alleviates randomness just enough to keep it fun

or there can be 2 versions of yama

1 version where u take preset builds

and 1 version where u take ur own grinded gear

would be nice also if they made open world map

where u do various activities and quests

and gradually consume fatigue

like enigma but full map

• quests

basically new rift map with more mobs

[signal kite]

Yo @lunar heron add my guy@limpid pecan in yo development team coz this guy can change stuff to way cooler and better that u guys couldn't figure out in decades

https://tenor.com/view/gem-finding-gem-gem-alert-jasswa-looking-for-gem-gif-4573895384736430461

[limpid pecan]

ok and now listen up

i go even more crazy

and make bosses affected by ults actually

instead of just random aegis reduction amount

like u ult with temulch and sand wall stops boss from fighting

or viper actually stuns him for 5sec

then i go even more crazy

and make it so

weapon attacks actually do some dmg

instead of being like 10% or less dmg output

that would be insane right

[marble kindle]

[rich surge]

Sounds like rift ,without the fatigue consuption 😄

[limpid pecan]

well new rift map

is better showdown than showdown

[spice ledge]

anyones know how to clear nirriti normal faster than 2 minutes?

[limpid pecan]

maybe tarka with cannon

but its better to run hard

it has much better drops

[spice ledge]

thank bro

[limpid pecan]

on hard solo probably justina is best

just pick ice element and all elemental dmg stuff

ur ult should delete bosses instantly

[spice ledge]

i just wanna keep leveling up to 100

[limpid pecan]

i guess then doesnt matter really

[fierce light]

Well it already blocks ranged attacks from everything.

Was actually a bit handy in TI

[fierce light]

Maybe Wuchen with Yin Yang/Burn. Everything dies too fast for Element in Normal.

As for hard, the fastest for me has been Akos. Grab Element & Lotus rings, alongside some good positioning on his roars and you can clear fast.

[fresh field]

As I understand it, Shayol's V gives her 70% armor, and level 21 adds another 30%. Does that make it 100%, or does it scale differently? Please explain it to me.

[fierce light]

Easiest way to test would be with Armored Artist. See if the damage from it increases by 70% (additive) or ~121% (multiplicative) when you enter Ultimate compared to without.

Yes, it makes it +100% in Ult.

[amber terrace]

what

[spice ledge]

does +200 armor good for shayol build (i mean attribute after windfall, atk, dmg to boss not double rare its too expensive)

[amber terrace]

No

[fierce light]

I don't recommend building Armor for her at all

The damage only scales by 3% per 1000 Armor

and you can regen Armor from Parries/Defusing.

[spice ledge]

windfall, atk, dmg to boss and which good if not the other windfall

[amber terrace]

i will do x3 wf, x1 armor

[spice ledge]

dude wth LOL how in the world could i got 3 windfall on every soul jade

[amber terrace]

use this

[spice ledge]

you gotta be real lucky or rich in resources

[amber terrace]

or this

[spice ledge]

wth you have this much

got two each month is my best

[amber terrace]

why they don't add trade crystals?

frag so much with me

[spice ledge]

im lacking in carve crytals

cant even max out my current build

let alone recast for flux

[amber terrace]

noice

[wicked pulsar]

how do we send images in the chat , i cant find an upload section

[timid stirrup]

the + sign next to the the text

[amber terrace]

i think up lvl

[wicked pulsar]

fair enough i suppose

[fathom edge]

You need to talk for a bit. It takes 10-15 msgs

[wicked pulsar]

ahh , i was just tryna add my clear time for the charioteer boss

welp ig i gotta talk more

[rich surge]

how was your day

[wicked pulsar]

meh it was alright

[timid stirrup]

u could also paste a ss

[rich surge]

why

opportunity to build messages 😂

[wicked pulsar]

yea i cant seem to for some reason , its alright theres still time till the event ends so ill just talk and shi\

[wicked pulsar]

yea lol

soo yall try out the new souljades , im just wondering on how to build a set around it

[sinful grail]

Buy them in showdown store with the currency

[valid roost]

Even then you only get 20 a month from the showdown store

It's unnecessarily stingy

[timid stirrup]

20 a week from showdown store

[valid roost]

Oh week, I forgot

On average that's 80 a month though, which is still not enough to guarantee one rare reroll if you have bad luck

[sinful grail]

Assuming you can gather 80 coins every month

[valid roost]

Yeah that's the other issue, you'll burn through it quite fast even with the coins from the showdown pass

[fierce light]

Good list of jade sets here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiVBeLfReYU

[fierce light]

Right now it looks like it has 2 paths, ones better for mobbing, the other is better for bossing.

Mobbing Set Up

Threefold Gathering, Four Spirits Converge, Dual Spirit Marks, Pestilent Pool, Element Surge, & Miasma Drive

-# Do note for the current Yama's Stage, the mobs die too quickly to make use of the Attack buffs from Miasma Drive.

• Spam your Heroes' Aegis-break to acquire Mortal Marks, to then activate Vermilion Bird Scorch when you get 3 by landing a Crouched Horizontal attack.

Bossing Set Up

Threefold Gathering, Four Spirits Converge, Dual Spirit Marks, Thunderpull, Thunder Counter, & Thunderproof

• Charge up Thundershock by spamming attacks, then use it to get a Defuse Counterattack + Counterstrike off, for an Earth and a Heaven Mark respectively. Then use an Aegis-break followed by a Crouched Horizontal to activate Black Tortoise's Aid. From there, spam Aegis-breaks (or Defuse Counterattacks for aggressive bosses) and use a Crouched Horizontal attack when you get 3 of a kind. Repeat until Black Tortoise's Aid runs out.

Recommended Heroes

• Viper Ning, Feria Shen (w/ Sap), Tianhai (w/ Jabbing), Kurumi (w/ Sap), Valda Cui, Matari, Wuchen, Justina, & Shayol Wei.

[amber terrace]

[kind escarp]

[chrome seal]

What about the attributes?

[kind escarp]

looks like dmg to boss and attack

[fierce light]

Sadly nothing else it can scale from.

[amber terrace]

@fierce light 8k armor + 75%

[kind escarp]

wtf is that barcode ass armor

[amber terrace]

[balmy coral]

that's my wifi password rite there

[amber terrace]

noice

get there

[balmy coral]

at werk

[amber terrace]

lol

[balmy urchin]

What is the best build for Feria?

[amber terrace]

roll up and watch video

[balmy urchin]

Thanks!

[quaint girder]

ew bro likes D3 instead of D2 or D4

[limpid pecan]

to be honest they are all dogshit

d2 was good during its time and d3 was good in early years, after that its just trash

[quaint girder]

D2 was so good between 1997 to 2000

[limpid pecan]

season 69 +8000000% dmg multiplier to everything

[quaint girder]

lmaooo

BILLIONS OF DAMAGE

BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE HOW FAR MATH GOES

kinda becomes meaningless

[limpid pecan]

and paragon lvl 20000

[quaint girder]

TRILLIONS OF DAMAGE

[limpid pecan]

d4 i refuse to even install on my pc, i give up

blizzard cant do anything right

[quaint girder]

I actually like D4 as a single player story driven ARPG

After story, grinding pits felt the same for me as D3

[limpid pecan]

i love items with stats like + 9% dmg to monsters who like to eat cereal on thursday morning while wearing a nice hat

[drifting lance]

🎉 | ImbaSkillz leveled up!

[quaint girder]

D4 is worth the 1 time playthrough if you enjoy story/PvE combined, but not if you're an endgame hunter.

[quaint girder]

Randomized stats makes for funny builds.

[limpid pecan]

i looked at the cinematic compilation of d4

it was so bad i gave up

[quaint girder]

What do you consider good story cinematic?

[limpid pecan]

d3 was full of banger cinematics

d2 was was full of banger cinematics

wow/warcraft had plenty, starcraft had plenty

[valid roost]

The issue with that is while it may be good for the one time, the people who typically play those types of ARPGs want long grinds or replay the game multiple times so if D4 can't provide that, it's not good

It's why I just stick with old Diablo

[limpid pecan]

d4 cinematics look like soggy cereal compared to that

[quaint girder]

Cinematics are alright. They enhance story telling, but I think we've kind of grown past it. Cinematics are a poor use of business resources nowadays.

[limpid pecan]

well maybe but when 20

[quaint girder]

You basically now use it for marketing instead of story-telling

[limpid pecan]

20+ years old game

outperforms

newest game

idk man

[quaint girder]

Well I guess tbf

I did recently pick up D4 only because of the new Paladin class

[limpid pecan]

i would honestly take original d2 cinematics

[quaint girder]

and I'm having a blast with Paladin

[limpid pecan]

with thier crappy res

over d4 cinematics

no joke

[quaint girder]

Fair

[valid roost]

That's because they actually aged well, limitation inspires creativity

[quaint girder]

Cinematics have to have substance though, you can't just throw it in like a math formula.

[limpid pecan]

also the d4 trailer was just plain boring

[quaint girder]

I think this is probably the biggest issue

Triple A studios have a lot of resources which may stifle creativity.

But

24E has shown the opposite is true

[limpid pecan]

i mean d3 had maybe some of the best actually quality/substance taken all in all

[quaint girder]

24E has limited budget/staff and spectacularly fails at becoming creative.

[limpid pecan]

like tyrael's sacrifice

[valid roost]

As long as you remember that graphics that are dated now at one point were cutting edge, it's not as bad looking in retrospect

[limpid pecan]

was peak

[quaint girder]

Cannot get over the cartoony WoW art direction they took D3 in

It's why I couldn't get past Act 1

[valid roost]

Blizzard cinematics back then were definitely more passionate

[fierce light]

Okay, I tried the new mini boss on Nightscream pretty underleveled (Lv. 62 vs 77). It is fast, but it actually has good telegraphs. Unlike Matron that you have to guess based on how fast she rotates slowly.

[limpid pecan]

wow is fully dead, sadly blizzard now is overrun with people whose main priority is not story or content but replacing picture of woman with bowl of fruits

but d3 did one thing good with items at mystic

[valid roost]

Genuinely I do like the new bosses, they feel like they put up a fight without being annoying

[limpid pecan]

rerolling just 1 stat per item

was very good middle ground

between grinding items and full on RNG fest

[valid roost]

Honestly I'd take even Diablo 1 for looting despite how primitive it is compared to the glow up of D2

And it's only really primitive because it was novel at the time

[limpid pecan]

d2 has best itemization out of any game probably

its fun af, encourages experimentation and allows for variety of builds

but the controls in d2 are very dated

and potions are kinda ass

[valid roost]

Inventory too

But there's no denying it's a classic

[fierce light]

Hopefully with this season being short means they're cooking something major for next season

[kind escarp]

there was that drill attack ..almost like a counter attack from him after a blue...and it somehow insta killed me when i tried 1st

i saw it insta wiped a whole team in niriti

[limpid pecan]

yes

[fierce light]

I'll do the new major boss later, but I reckon that's going to be harder since there's an even bigger level gap

[limpid pecan]

4 new jades, 1 new mini boss, 1 boss and 2 maps u play once each

[fierce light]

Wish they would make these hyper niche jades stronger

[limpid pecan]

and maybe they delete potential for chain crush or burn to be extra funny

i wish they skipped boss stuff every 2nd season

and focused on gameplay/qol

buff bad builds

etc

[kind escarp]

well then they can start with bolt and armor builds

oh yes burn one too

yup...they need a 2nd potential page

[fierce light]

We'd need like Bolt DMG +100% attributes or something crazy for it to be any good lol

[kind escarp]

wow...its that bad

i like bolt in niriti

[limpid pecan]

they just need to delete entire potential page, its useless waste of time

they arent using it to fine tune builds

[fierce light]

Or they'd have to buff its base multipliers.

[limpid pecan]

they are using it to make jades they release usable

like whats the point of billion lotus jades if lotus deals 0 dmg without potential?

there is 0 benefit from potential being in showdown rn

potential should be used to fine tune some stats/qol stuff

[fierce light]

Pretty much there to prevent you from fully hybriding builds

[kind escarp]

i don't agree to the deleting part but jades do need some adjustments...and potential can just work as an enhancement...or to have a special skill/effect

[versed barn]

also thunder chains or demonbane mark

without potentiall is ass

[limpid pecan]

i guess, but u can easily solve it

just make some jades extreme and u can only have 1 extreme max

or 2 max

or just let people cook

[fierce light]

Yeah kind of weird we don't have extreme jades yet

[versed barn]

lets go even celestial jades 😉

[limpid pecan]

pink jades lets go

[versed barn]

why not

[limpid pecan]

anything at all at this point

[kind escarp]

extreme jades r basically just curios lol

[fierce light]

Honestly they could remove the current potential and just make it based on the Prowess instead

[versed barn]

https://klipy.com/gifs/storks-cute-wolves-i-agree-i-agree-i-agree-i-agree-storks-wolves

[kind escarp]

i mean they could just put rare attribute effects as a potential as well...and straight up just delete normal attributes from jades

and just like u said earlier...armor can have the stats

[amber terrace]

[timid heath]

[kind escarp]

[fathom edge]

[timid heath]

[hollow herald]

What are you supposed to do with Zai's F? She always jumps up so high.

[kind escarp]

ig u need to admire their feet

[limpid pecan]

zai F feels kinda ass ngl

and it misses mobs so often

[kind escarp]

admire feet bro

[limpid pecan]

its basically like lobotomized version of justina F

[hollow herald]

Exactly how I feel

[limpid pecan]

i feel like a lot of time it slides off the mobs somehow

they should have cut down animation

like make it instant meteor forward

without going up

[kind escarp]

just aim at feet it felt a bit faster

if u aim at mob's heads it will just go so high

and ofc if u change ur aim mid air to their heads it might miss or land behind them

[fierce light]

I short hop before using it to skip that animation.

[kind escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

u can do that?

[signal kite]

Man they can do so much improvement in showdown yet they just be like ohh showdown yeah whatever let's just focus on more costumes

[chrome seal]

I think he means he just cancels the ghost run with a jump
Hop is faster than that hit and recovery animation

[chrome seal]

I'd be happy if they at least made the legend nirriti worth playing
It's 0 advantage to play it compared to hard lvl whatsoever be it jades amount cause of same fatigue consumption amount or even lvl upgrade at the start of a season

It's much more interesting cause it's harder
But there's literally 0benefit to play it and hard lvl is like virtually 3x faster runs than legend with same rewards

At least they added 3 more bosses to topaz for extra rewards that's kinda something
But I also hate it they kept huanyue for this season
Could've replaced her with the new bosses
They seem to be much less annoying than them wolf women

[fierce light]

Well for game dev, there's usually a different team that works on cosmetics. Idk what their mechanics team is doing though.

I agree though, I actually have to pay attention when playing Nightscream/Legend, but literally can watch a Subbed Anime while running "Hard".

[turbid agate]

There should be like a 5% chance or something to get a flux shard for clearing Legend ruins, as an extra reward for each completion.

[fierce light]

Would have to be more than that cause Legend takes a really long time to clear. At the very least it should consume more fatigue than Tempered Inferno. Having a 5% chance to drop Flux Jade Shards on top of that would be nice. Maybe a 1-2.5% chance in Nightscream.

[turbid agate]

Yeah, I mean I don’t know the logistics, but there should be more proper rewards from both.

[fierce light]

Cause if they just increase the rewards without increasing the fatigue cost, it'll be more of a punishment for players who don't have as much time to invest in it.

[chrome seal]

https://youtu.be/uiVBeLfReYU?is=YskdysdrFpGpnuXB

Check out this vid
The guy posted every build

[fierce light]

Yupp

[viscid wraith]

wao

[timid heath]

[grizzled canopy]

does new marks jade need element dmg?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Sơn Tặc Mượn Tác Phẩm leveled up!

[fierce light]

No

[grizzled canopy]

sad need to roll so much

[dark dust]

@fierce light i found the link https://youtu.be/Eb8GWZ7Lky4?si=3Enf-LJPEnAF7m1V

idk how she was doing crazy damage with that fire or whatever was doing that massive damage

[shrewd basin]

Stonks

[signal kite]

Stonks not that many this time

[shrewd basin]

Enough to get a partial build going

[signal kite]

[signal kite]

Thunderscorch build ,, that dmg u see there is from level 12 scorching

[chilly kestrel]

[fierce light]

Yeah that's Lv. 12 Scorching.

[dark dust]

Gosh who knew scorching would be moving like that

[fierce light]

It just looks extra potent cause Topaz doesn't have that high a scaling

[viscid wraith]

watch it getting wheelchaired by radiance flow 2.0 next TI

[misty bridge]

[warped citrus]

[cursive fable]

my friends inventory looks like:

[viscid wraith]

are they competing or they just like to hoard materials

[fierce light]

Did they not craft Curios?
Just playing, just to play no progression?

[shrewd mesa]

like wtf is that 😭

[balmy coral]

most likely one build per season

[kind escarp]

ah ok...ill have to try it and see then

[fierce light]

Wow the Charioteer 2 shots me at Lv. 62 lol

[kind escarp]

brainrot maxing

ppl like to collect all sort of weird stuff for some reason

[viscid wraith]

the way he's easier than agnivat

[fierce light]

Agnivat felt easier to me.

[cursive fable]

how mny relevant builds are there even

[fierce light]

But I'm also learning him while practicing with Threefold Marks and dying in two hits

[cursive fable]

1.bow
2.ice surge
3.threefold
4.thunderscorch
5.thunder lotus

[chilly kestrel]

or huanyue

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Deez. leveled up!

[drowsy crow]

[chilly kestrel]

[kind escarp]

should've added new boss to topaz as well then add more +5 fatigue

[viscid wraith]

[lone umbra]

[fathom edge]

[kind escarp]

[crimson pumice]

[bold folio]

anyone want to play NR Nightscream?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Ciro leveled up!

[timid heath]

[fickle linden]

wow nirriti

[tight lion]

how do you get those

[fickle linden]

just rng

[bold folio]

Solo?

[fickle linden]

yeah

[limpid pecan]

in showdown these things almost never drop

if u wanna farm them - play better showdown (rift)

u can get 1-2 daily probably

if u play 2-3 hours

[fickle linden]

petition to make increase lotus size card stackable and unlimited in nirriti's

i wanna make a massive lotus that is bigger than manticore

[kind escarp]

bro hyping up trash(rift) 😭🙏

[limpid pecan]

its more that im dunking on showdown

coz what they doing with this mode is a crime

i wonder why they decided to give showdown 100x less lotus ding rate than rift or br

[rotund forge]

almost everything is trash man

[wicked pulsar]

jesus...

[timid heath]

[tight lion]

is there somewhere that shows the extreme conversion counter

[fierce light]

Wdym?

[tight lion]

i swear i did more than 60 times and didnt get a red one yet

always 3 gold ones

[kind escarp]

one man's trash is another man's treasure

[amber terrace]

anyone go nirriti ruin?

[amber terrace]

i can't see difference 8k with 10k armor

[kind escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-konosuba-kazuma-sad-hand-on-shoulder-gif-2472116041386216360

[amber terrace]

lmao, i think i'm Maple in anime

[fair jungle]

maybe bc its capped at 8k

[kind escarp]

i mean +2k armor only gonna give +1 shield throw

or was it 1.5k

[amber terrace]

no capped

[kind escarp]

r u using +200 armor stats

[amber terrace]

yea

[kind escarp]

did u try it with scorch build + basalt armor

[amber terrace]

ehm.. why

[kind escarp]

im not sure...but is this gonna scale with how much hp u have

[amber terrace]

scorch build use hp to scale burn dmg, basalt use hp to scale armor

[fierce light]

Increases your max Armor by 37.5% of your max Health; Reduces max Health by 75% afterwards.

[kind escarp]

oh..just 38%

[amber terrace]

wait next week to upgrade lvl shayol to get gold armor

[kind escarp]

oh wait so u gonna get around 12k armor if u have 9k hp i think

[amber terrace]

my 8k now

in V shayol i got 30 + 90k dmg

[kind escarp]

i think hp stats might give more armor than just armor stats

[amber terrace]

No

i tried

[kind escarp]

oh nvm im just high

forget what i said earlier..i did smth else

[amber terrace]

if i have enough resource i will use x3 wf, x1 armor

mine x2 wf, x1 armor, x1 HP now

if it have potential for dmg HP scale to armor will good as burn

[kind escarp]

what if u change that hp stat to dmg to boss

[amber terrace]

idk, not try yet

i think i will meet flame boss again to test that =))

[kind escarp]

[amber terrace]

HP, Armor

DMG to Boss, Armor

[kind escarp]

lol 100k dmg

[amber terrace]

this ATK, Armor

[kind escarp]

wow thats good too

imagine doing 10 of those

[amber terrace]

yea

but need rage fast

[kind escarp]

marks might do it fast i think

[fierce light]

Could probably run a rather cheap build

Attack, DMG to Bosses, Armor, & Rage/DMG.

[kind escarp]

ill go with those kind of stats as well since havent really started recasting yet

might not even need many rares

[amber terrace]

lmao, imagine build full rage potential

[kind escarp]

lol 1 ult might beat a whole boss in late yama

[fierce light]

I doubt it

It hits about a third as hard as Kylin's, and he does about half in the later stages

[kind escarp]

nvm...that boss took so much dmg prob cuz its too low lvl

blue mark + shield throw

[timid heath]

[idle lodge]

[drifting lance]

🎉 | ˗ˏˋ❀´ˎ˗ leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[proper solar]

What is happening with showdown... Why in the past Im suck like crazy already on first 5 lvl in yama, but right now I complete it so easy without extra life and, what is more fun, without lvl and potential... Literally last yama what is open ask about lvl 80, I completed it in lvl 35 ... I don't remember something like that

[fierce light]

First few levels up to Paragon 5 are usually super easy, then they turn up the scaling a lot, likely to compensate for Curios.

[proper solar]

Yeah thought about it too
Just I was noob for this 5 lvl too xD last season I first time done with all 20 paragon...

[valid roost]

How hard was Yama's abyss pre curios? As in season 1 abyss

[timid heath]

😮

[fierce light]

Pretty difficult on the last 3 stages

Many people didn't even manage to clear it

Unless you're talking about the Yama's Abyss before the rework, in which it was RNG Hell to even get your Souljades with the right Attributes, let alone getting the right Anima Rings.

[valid roost]

I meant after the rework yeah, but sounds like it was torture even with a trios team to back you up if some people couldn't complete it

Would explain their overcompensation to make it easier

[limpid pecan]

tbh old yama was kinda fun

just they needed to give consistent way to gain ur jades back

and thats all

new yama is RNG as hell too

just ur rng is boss moves instead

however stage with korvine was omega fked

lvl 55 was giga block

coz it had frog korvine and normal korvine both

and frog korvine takes like 2x longer than anything else with burn build

[fierce light]

Old Yama's also had Omens that significantly reduced the damage of everything except a certain damage type, so if you didn't get the corresponding rings for it early enough, you could pretty much scrap that run, regardless of your skill. Then there was the fact that the Lost Curse didn't consume time, so the absolute fastest runs had to abuse that. Your Souljades also had to be bought in a shop and with there being so many set-based Souljades, if you didn't get those together, that run is scrapped. Trios amplified this fact by needing all 3 players to get the right stuff, or you feed everything into one while the others afk. Not just that, but the Attributes on the Souljades you could get were randomized, with the ones you actually have outside of the mode influencing the ones that can appear slightly.

All around it was terrible RNG on top of RNG to get the fastest runs, with skill only helping on the slight chances that everything aligned.

[limpid pecan]

i mean yeah but also

it was more fun to play

if u got playable run

they just needed to reduce rng and remove lost

coz this new yama idk also

how many runs ruined because manticore starts jumping somewhere

or uses iron skin

or does mini ult

its not any better

[fierce light]

That's only cause we can reset quickly so people are able to reduce the amount of nuance in their runs significantly

Vs the 10 minute+ runs before for an attempt

[timid heath]

[fierce light]

Wow this Charioteer is something.

[limpid pecan]

i noticed this bird boss in eng voiceover has same sounds like omnius

[fierce light]

Yeah definitely think they reused an audio for that

[limpid pecan]

they really saved money

on 2 moan sounds

[turbid agate]

Wondering, for thunder surge scorch for Shayol, since you want to swap thunder charge for thunderproof, would basalt armor work at all? Or any other jade? Backfire? @fierce light

[fierce light]

Backfire would likely be a larger increase in DPS over Basalt Armor.

Extra Armor shouldn't be needed when running Thunder Counter on her.

[turbid agate]

True, also sap helps out. Thank you Dark.

[fierce light]

She regens armor on parry in Ult

So even Sap isn't necessary, but it certainly helps Hengsword

[tight lion]

wow Solar 1 is so hard right now vs Solar 2

[fierce light]

Yeah looks like Charioteer is another boss that favors Defusing over Dodges

Lingering hitboxes galore

[worldly gyro]

Nirriti nightscream or maybee hard too reg SEA https://session-share.playstation.com/Gi7ZAtz7ia

[topaz hound]

[merry olive]

whats the best way to farm on showdown

[fierce light]

Dangers in the Deep Nightscream for Carved Crystals.

Enigma Domain for Souljade Fragments.

Nirriti's Ruins Hard for something in between.

[fickle linden]

so was zai lv 21 nerf or buff?

[fierce light]

Buff in Ruins, slight nerf with Thunder Scorch.

[fickle linden]

yeah she feels so strong in nirriti now even without fire forge maxed

just deletes bosses

they need to add fire whipsword skin in the game

[viscid wraith]

and buff zai

[fathom edge]

Fatigue reset is usually every Thursday? But I got mine today 😳

[north venture]

It resets in like... 12ish hours I think

[fickle linden]

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[fathom edge]

Wasn’t this supposed to be 0/2400?

[fickle linden]

you are max fatigue'd

[fathom edge]

But then it says 0% rewards

Oh sorry

[fickle linden]

it's 0/2400 after weekly reset

[fathom edge]

I only just woke up 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[north venture]

G'mornin

[fathom edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-bed-time-boo-tired-exhausted-gif-746433071964221246

[grizzled canopy]

new boss so hard lmao

[fickle linden]

https://giphy.com/gifs/boxing-hami-hamiboom-f5uFgBWiWu8mHIrHRp

[balmy coral]

Pov: There's always someone better than u in PC

[north venture]

Me when I am minding my own business and an Unrivaled Asura caught a glimps of a single pixel (I am now currently waiting for res)

[chrome seal]

First phase is ez tbh but second is pretty hard I agree

Wasn't too hard to pass him on wuchen tho, cause I constantly had F from moderation and it allowed me survive a lot

[grizzled canopy]

i pass the boss btw im only lv 60 he just 1 hit me lmao and toxin burn health so much

[chrome seal]

Yeah the lower your level than recommended the less damage you deal to them and the more damage you take from them

I couldn't do night scream on lvl60
Passed it yesterday on around 75

Hard lvl was very ez even when I was around 60

[forest lark]

Hi, could you tell me if two fusions can work together on a single jade in showdown mode, and is there a limit to their value?

[chrome seal]

What fusion

[timid heath]

[forest lark]

Windfall

Is there a limit? Does it work together?

[rotund forge]

Yes it work together

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Mort leveled up!

[rotund forge]

But only keep 2

Per jade

[misty bridge]

[bold folio]

morning

[forest lark]

Ok thanks

[kind escarp]

it won't enhance other rare stats like scorching or moderation tho...only enhance non rare ones

[fierce light]

Yeah i just struggled clearing it yesterday at Lv. 62

Granted I was using the new jades as well, so had to learn that too

[grizzled canopy]

i use old toxin build must play zippin to pass it, 1 toxin just half health bar and boss 1 hit lol dont know why this season toxin burn so hard

[kind escarp]

for me the main boss was ez but mini boss was hard for some reason

drilled me 3 times to death

[timid heath]

[kind escarp]

[merry narwhal]

[forest lark]

I always thought that this works on 1 jade and not on all 7

[kind escarp]

i mean windfall only enhance the non rare stats on the same jade only

[fierce light]

Level Suppression increases the damage you take from status effects too.

[forest lark]

So, is there any point in applying two Windfall fusions on the same jade?

[fierce light]

Mini boss felt pretty easy to me. Very well telegraphed. The main boss instead has many mix ups.

[limpid pecan]

@fierce light why shayol shield throw sometimes staggers boss and sometimes doesnt?

[fierce light]

2 Windfalls increases the non-rare stats by 60-100%.

[kind escarp]

yes...one jade can have 2 wf... will give +100% for each non rare on that jade

[fierce light]

I'm assuming it works similar to Yoto's Ult. You can only stagger when boss isn't focused.

Might be more strict though and require boss to not be attacking at all

[limpid pecan]

ok

[forest lark]

Is it worth it, considering it only boosts two stats?

[kind escarp]

i somehow managed to dodge most of the main one...met him couple of times in niriti legend and ns run so was kind of used to his moves

[fierce light]

Yes, at least right now while we have a poor selection of good non-rare attributes

Most builds just want Attack + Main DMG Bonus right now.

[fierce light]

He two taps me with most of his attack chains, but he also has a few one hits. So I had to really lock in

Ima try and get a deathless run before reset

[limpid pecan]

its funny how new bosses on nirriti hard are stronger than old bosses on legend

[kind escarp]

he do have weird timing to bait even shayol...takes forever to make his move and he does it right after her defuse hold is released 😭

[grizzled canopy]

oh i dont know that lol no wonder my health gone so fast

[kind escarp]

if u didn't manage to dodge after...ur dead lol

[kind escarp]

lol me with the drill attack

[forest lark]

Thank you for the explanation. I watch your you tube videos great content! If I understood correctly, are you Indra Meyers?

[grizzled canopy]

mini boss is easy but some how they make when he fly so hard to look lmao, in nutri it very easy but when on the map so hard lol

[forest lark]

Thank you for the explanation

[kind escarp]

i died to both in niriti and the map lol...and it was the same move

[kind escarp]

[grizzled canopy]

i mean in niti i kill boss very fast so i dont remember all the move and he cant one shot me because of buff buy with 4000 coin and if it a good run it very easy, but on the map i dont have full potential and boss one shot very easy just 1 hit then the game is gone

[quaint girder]

very subjective, it was not fun to play for most players which was why they changed it.

[kind escarp]

well i wouldnt say i could do that in niriti ns cuz i only had 8/24 fire forge at that time..and did map at 68...but ig i wouldve died even if i was same lvl in map

[quaint girder]

There's a guy in my JC who said it was more fun to play and challenging like you, but every time we would queue up he would be cursing and muttering obscenities about how RNG is bull and how his 10ms of ping decrease ruined a run.

[kind escarp]

there was that counterattack type move he have...not sure what to do

[quaint girder]

Needless to say, I don't play with him anymore. But I really feel like people who share Imba's opinions also may have rage issues that's on the DL

[limpid pecan]

its funny how u always try to include insults at someone who disagrees with ur point

also u didnt even read my point

my point was to keep the 15 levels run like before

with reduction to rng

such as consistent way to obtain jades

e.g. in first shop u can select 3 jades u want, another shop 3 more

etc

remove lost

as it is we just replaced one type of horrible rng (jades, lost) with boss move rng

[grizzled canopy]

i only have 10 fire forge when im done legend and i pass the map with 60, it take so much time to done legend the mob and boss take so much time

[limpid pecan]

trying to grind rank on manticore last stage was some of the most unfun naraka experience i had ever

[fierce light]

Yeah

[kind escarp]

yeah took me about 36 mins to do as well with 8ff

[fierce light]

Yeah that attack where he drags his spear has a really weird hit box. He also hits deceptively fast, but once you get the telegraphs down he's easy

[grizzled canopy]

i mean they should remove that screen shake or smth just let it normal and both boss just have fly move so hard to dodge or defuse

[kind escarp]

lol i do remember noobing arround in that old yama..i dont even remember much..i was just doing random bs with kuwumi

[quaint girder]

I'm a duck, I nip rabbits.

[limpid pecan]

more like u have deep feeling of insecurity and inadequacy and instead of dealing with it, u are trying to put others down to present urself as having moral high ground

in ur arguments u too often resort to ad hominem attacks, instead of tackling opposing arguments in rational discussion

[quaint girder]

Sounds like tu quoque to me lol.

[limpid pecan]

every day u find something new to claim moral high ground

[quaint girder]

My own feelings of insecurity or inadequacy, whether true or false, is independent of my own observations and experiences with players who liked Season 1 Yama lol.

[limpid pecan]

one day its evil pink teams

other time its evil thunderscorch players

another day its evil elitist showdown players who want nirriti more than hard worth playing

today its evil ragers who couldnt contain their emotions in old system

[limpid pecan]

u can present ur points without resorting to personal attacks

[quaint girder]

Oh, but where's the fun in that on the Internet?

[quaint girder]

Don't put words in my mouth rabbit, never did I say evil.

I implied that the devs changed Yama for a reason.

[limpid pecan]

yeah the old system as it was, was indeed garbage

[quaint girder]

Season 1's Yama only lasted ONE season. Then they swapped to the current system we have now.

[limpid pecan]

however it had some good points about it

that yama was 2 seasons no?

1 and 1.5

first was up to lvl 50

[quaint girder]

Right, we have those half seasons in Showdown

[limpid pecan]

then up to 60 with korvine

9 months total

[quaint girder]

Two whole seasons, but we're already on S4 or S5 now.

So that was a long time ago, and the fact they didn't bring back the old system means that the playerbase (at least in CN) prefer this current system.

[limpid pecan]

to be honest i doubt they would ever fully revert to old

regardless if they like it or not

e.g. new maelstrom map is hated by majority of people

but there are no signs of them removing it or fixing core issues like poison sea or red weapons

in CN they can just turn it off from matchmaking so they dont care

[quaint girder]

They have the metrics to back it up. Unlike BR which they keep screwing up and Rift which the mess up like 50% of the time, Showdown has been very consistent and they've actually listened to player feedback. Surprisingly they actually use Zer0's suggestions which implies many players in China have complained about the same issues.

[limpid pecan]

i think many of zero's suggestions are in line with what every veteran showdown player wants

its like i can go and make feedback thread to be done with RNG rare attribute hell

and everybody will agree

but idk if devs want to fix it

they see it as some engagement mechanic in their twisted metrics

i feel like showdown is developed specifically to give the least amount of fun to players without making them outright quit

[quaint girder]

If they allowed us to test builds by allowing us to adjust attritbues in training mode

It would be a lot better where we can make informed choices with rare attributes

[limpid pecan]

tbh testing builds in free training