👾┃showdown

[fickle linden]

i was rank 2 when i logged out

[exotic canopy]

thats hella weird if i had to give my best guess it mightve been people thought the mechanical skill / skill gap was too high and didnt even bother with final stage where everyone puts their best

[cursive fable]

@fickle linden which hero?

[fierce light]

Matari has an interesting mechanic with her Curio that if done right, you can make the returning feathers hit twice for insane damage.

[fickle linden]

bald guy, easiest to rank high because no one plays him lol

[valid roost]

So I wasn't going schizo then

[fickle linden]

i've never played him before got rank in like 15min of trying and no one played him for 4 days after that i saw lol

[cursive fable]

@fickle linden tianhai? i thought the solo ladder for tianhai was all chinese dude

[half halo]

HE EU

[cursive fable]

lol

[half halo]

WE EU

[cursive fable]

ops

he said hes NAPC

[fickle linden]

i tried na pc tianhai too but ping was too much

[valid roost]

And yeah definitely, the positioning alone is really punishing if you screw up

[fickle linden]

i couldnt get more than top 10 or something bad lol

ping 200 suck

[hybrid canyon]

can someone live showdown 5.0 on vc

[kind escarp]

[cursive fable]

@valid roost i think someone was going for your matari # 2 solos

[kind escarp]

is it out tho

[cursive fable]

but you did show authority with that 49s

yesterday

[fickle linden]

i meant na pc times for unpopular heroes were bad

[valid roost]

Is the Matari curio mechanic for double damage to just dodge into the enemy and hug their hitboxes as they return to her? Because that's what I was doing was hugging enemies as much as possible

[fickle linden]

rank 1 tianhai was over 1min in na pc

sea everyone was under 1min

[cursive fable]

ya

[fierce light]

Yeah

[cursive fable]

for monk 55s, you need the backfire demonmark thunder build

regular tscorch cant reach 55s

[fierce light]

Once I learned that, it made me a lot more confident about its future viability.

[valid roost]

My 16 years of fighting games and counting continues to pay off big time then

[cursive fable]

@valid roost for ladder?

ya u beated a full time streamer

[fickle linden]

eu monk 56s used arcane stratos and robe curio

[cursive fable]

ya thats the backfire demonmark build i think

[fickle linden]

instead of backfire

[valid roost]

In terms of learning to time the dodges yeah, that just came naturally to me how to do it even though I couldn't explain why it was working

[cursive fable]

a slight variant

[fickle linden]

yeah i had the normal backfire demonmark build

he was bit different

[cursive fable]

CN is so comeptitive

that you needs 4 mod on the arcane stratos

on the same jade

or else u will be losing 2% damage

if the 4 mods are spread out across all jades, you lose 2% dmg

[fickle linden]

cn only region badge mean something

[fierce light]

4 Mod on same jade is likely to make it easier to switch

[half halo]

entering cn to compare timings is such a humbling experience

[half halo]

exactly

[fierce light]

It should be less damage if you're running more than 2 rares on any jade

[cursive fable]

not a single person in this discord can get a badge on CN

0 chance

solo top 3 badge

no one can

[fickle linden]

eu/na getting badge is not hard at all if you really want it

especially this season because no one can lvl 25 every hero

and take all top 3 ranks

[half halo]

it's easy and will get easier the more heroes we get lmao

playerbase doesn't grow anyways

[cursive fable]

sea top 3 badge is fairly challenging

[valid roost]

Definitely makes it easier to switch but I don't get how 4 spread out mods makes you lose 2% damage? Unless it's because it frees up your stats to get the necessary milestones

[fierce light]

I let the fact that CN has near perfect ping, better tick rate and better fps than me to not let it affect me

[cursive fable]

ya im just saying

no one on this discord can reach top 3 solos badge on CN

[fickle linden]

yeah its not even fair for us how much easier it is for them to play showdown lol

[cursive fable]

0 chance

[half halo]

cn invaded usa

ppl went whaa whaa

[fierce light]

Some of their Speedruns before Curios made it clear how advantaged they are

[exotic canopy]

is there a specific best valda build post curio or is it pretty interchangable? i know theres a lot of variations you can run

[half halo]

some simple modern time thunder scorch

with musket

[fierce light]

Oh post Curio

Yeah you'd want Musket Scorch

[exotic canopy]

oh sheit

[valid roost]

And yeah you mentioned they were a full time streamer? But I never heard of the person so I wonder who. I was stuck at 51s thinking I was capped by my damage. Then I realized, if I just set up a few feathers like I do the start of the match every time, then perfect dodge the landing blow from Agnivat's orbs, I don't have to have them do damage to her and build thundershock and that way I can actually position better. When she lands, it's always inconsistent for one reason or another, she doesn't land in the exact same position every time it seems. So if I defused the landing blow, it would just make me have to dodge the thunder wasting time

[turbid agate]

Poison lotus

[fierce light]

Burn potential next season seems unchanged

[fickle linden]

so is the next season 3 months long again?

[exotic canopy]

i meant like once theyre released i see where it went wrong

could u send that build one more time please @fierce light

[fickle linden]

i burned so much mats for yama's lol i don't have enough to build any new jades

what is shayol even gonna use

[exotic canopy]

with her curio

[kind escarp]

scorch

[half halo]

what's new on table

this time around

[fierce light]

Incineration, Element Surge, Renewed Vigor, Bolt Mastery, Backfire, & Copper Ward

[turbid agate]

Who was the streamer?

[exotic canopy]

i assume its 4 mod 8 windfall and the rest is ATK + Health?

[fierce light]

New jades don't seem meta breaking, but somewhat competitive outside of Curios

[fierce light]

Yup. Could possibly go with less mod if you run different elements too.

[exotic canopy]

thank you

[fickle linden]

what am i gonna do with my 3 ghastblooms

[half halo]

i wanna see those..

[fierce light]

I guess I'm getting a bunch of Flux Shards with Lotus being gone

[valid roost]

Not sure who it is but the username on PC NA is 纯愛少御[AS]

[fickle linden]

gone forever?

[half halo]

THX

[kind escarp]

wonder if i could hybrid one of these worh valda musket

[valid roost]

Specifically the pinyin to this name being "chun2 ai4 shao3 yu4"

[fierce light]

These are all the numbers I have on them now.

• Toxin Blast has a DMG Coefficient of 48.0
• Scorching Lv. 12 has a DMG Coefficient of 54.0

Pretty hard hitting, but they take some time to set up

[half halo]

I assume you need to hit all of the 3 - counter, defuse and use aegis break to gain all 3 effects so it's not applicable to musket

judging from description alone

can't tell for sure

[exotic solstice]

Huh?

[fierce light]

You could only get Heaven Marks with Musket, which only boost Aegis DMG, so not really.

[half halo]

chill

brotha

from another motha

it's a joke

[cursive fable]

@exotic solstice sorry typo

i meant CN

[kind escarp]

oh yeah...ig it looked like that

[half halo]

or that

whatevs

[exotic solstice]

Give me -5 ms and ill do it

[kind escarp]

😔

[exotic solstice]

It’s not hard twin

[valid roost]

In terms of skill and doing the inputs, I could see a couple people reach CN times but stats wise, definitely not. That's a whole other league in CN

[exotic solstice]

There is no skill anymore in pve

No difference between cn and eu

[half halo]

😳

[exotic solstice]

Boss are doing attack one per 5 seconds

The most skillfull season is season 2

After season 2 everything is ez

I dont see much difference, just ping diff between cn and na eu

[cursive fable]

@valid roost a couple?

like?

[valid roost]

No one specific, just hypothetically if someone was really sweaty and stats weren't a factor

[kind escarp]

what would make it hard for u

[half halo]

it's just a repetition of few simple actions

literally anyone can hit any kinda top

[exotic solstice]

It was challenging playing with copper and standing on fire

Literally single hit can oneshot you

[fickle linden]

times are so fast too

like 30sec fight what

[exotic solstice]

Nowadays every build gives u +2000 armor and heal

[cursive fable]

@exotic solstice clearing is not an issue

[fickle linden]

you can reset and try million times in a hour

[cursive fable]

thats the easy part

getting the fastest time is the hardest part lol

[valid roost]

Emphasis on hypothetically to clarify, because you still have games that aren't Naraka, like fighting games (especially King of Fighters) where Chinese players still prove extremely dominant in the games they're best at

[fierce light]

That Hellfire was chunking ngl

[cursive fable]

your mistaken the difficulty as clearing it , ofc now we are invinible and wont die

[fierce light]

Just realized we actually had an omen for the final stage

[exotic solstice]

Idk why yall sweating about cn, if you say pvp - agree, eu and na can never be better than cn for pvp, nor only ping diff

But pve is same

[half halo]

😂

[exotic canopy]

who was the final boss in 2.0 Deepwood?

[valid roost]

It was more interesting than last season P10 where the omen was "you heal less from items cry about it"

[cursive fable]

pve has skill diff too

[fierce light]

Omnious Bough. Absolute pain

[exotic solstice]

Defussing boss who is attacking once per 5 seconds?

Holy skill

[exotic canopy]

bough for a last boss is so mean

[cursive fable]

no , optimizing the last 1sec

[kind escarp]

oh ye...it can make it a bit interesting

[exotic canopy]

dude moves whenever he pleases

[cursive fable]

lets say your justin is 48sec, for instance, how come top 1 CN is 37sec

[fierce light]

That was before we got Yoto Curio too iirc

[cursive fable]

the 11sec is like a 300% skill and minor details skill gap

[exotic solstice]

And ofc cn, all abuse yama clearing and bugs came from cn

[fierce light]

CN tends to make builds catered specifically towards Yama's as well which isn't as common in Global

[valid roost]

I get what you mean at least. It's like speedrunning too, they're gods at the games they speedrun, of course they can beat it, but the skill is in optimization. Same principle but different discipline

[exotic solstice]

Really the most skillfull region for sure

[fierce light]

And by catering, I mean reaching specific Aegis DMG breakpoints, etc

[cursive fable]

that could be say for pvp too

[fierce light]

I wish we had their showdown app though

[valid roost]

What was the bug in Paragon 20 anyways that people were abusing, I don't think that was ever clarified

[cursive fable]

@fierce light omg im tempting to call you a cutie

based on your pfp

best pfp i have ever seen

lol

[exotic canopy]

im curious too

[fierce light]

Yvonne is best girl

[exotic canopy]

nah mine solos

[cursive fable]

@fierce light i think the regular pvp app is there

not sure about the showdown app for nA

[fierce light]

Yeah the app on the play store is barebones

[fickle linden]

probably there wasn't even bug lol, ppl just straight cheating and others call it "bug abusing" because they are getting impossible times or something

[valid roost]

Very likely

[cursive fable]

ya ppl just madge

[fickle linden]

so much talk about "bug abusing" but no one knows the bug

it's just cheats

[valid roost]

@somber dagger The season's over so I don't think there's any harm in telling us what the bug you were talking about previously was

[fierce light]

I thought someone posted a video of it

I never did get around to watching it

[cursive fable]

@valid roost loong was a beast

his matari close to CN's

[valid roost]

For sure, he had the optimal build too

[kind escarp]

well i mean u can skip the agnivat's orb move if u die after she do the ground digging and about to start orb move...but ig it's common knowledge atp

[valid roost]

So.... not even a bug, just an oversight

[exotic canopy]

i assume u wanna be alive to defuse and keep a couple radiance orbs

[valid roost]

Wouldn't that be a major time loss though?

You still waste 10 seconds dying in game

[cursive fable]

matari is 14 windfall right?

[kind escarp]

how much time she take for the whole orb move tho

[valid roost]

Ideally speaking 14 windfall yes

[cursive fable]

matari and valda are the 2 heroes that requires 14 windfalls

lol

[exotic canopy]

i was so confused until i remembered mastery jades

[fierce light]

New jades look like they take 14 Windfalls as well

So annoying, we need more good attributes

[cursive fable]

@fierce light how many wfs did you end up having

[exotic canopy]

wuchen too i bet

[cursive fable]

for your matari

@exotic canopy no

wuchen is 7 windfall

[fierce light]

Like 7 iirc

[valid roost]

Roughly speaking 20 seconds, since my average was her entering orbs around 20s (optimally as fast as possible was 15s), then ending around 20s later

[exotic canopy]

whats the rest?

[cursive fable]

7x attack or boss dmg 7x astral damage 7x uncharge damage to astral

[valid roost]

So maybe not a complete timeloss but it depends on Agnivat's RNG

[kind escarp]

so u get a 10 sec faster time if u die

[kind escarp]

yeah

[exotic canopy]

ahh i see

he does do a lot of base aegis

[fierce light]

Crazy that Temulch does too much Aegis DMG

[valid roost]

Plus problem is... how do you know when to time your own death

[kind escarp]

stand on a hellhole...when she do the digging it will kill u

but u should have done enough hp dmg atp

[valid roost]

But the thing is, let's assume you stop attacking COMPLETELY when she does the digging animation. She still won't transition to orbs right away, you gotta damage her just a little more

[kind escarp]

so she does the next move right away

[valid roost]

There were several attempts that she'd just stand there after digging animation because not enough damage was dealt

So you'd have to both get her to the threshold as well as die at the right time so as to skip orbs

Assuming it actually matters at what specific point you die

I would assume it's just as she's about to do the blade swinging before orbs that you die?

[kind escarp]

nope...u should die when she's doing the ground digging...if u did enough dmg to her hp she will do the next move while u r still dying and when u spawn back she won't do the the orb move

[valid roost]

I'd test it if it weren't for maintenance

And well, of course the season ending

[kind escarp]

heh...that's why i said it now

[valid roost]

Tbh with how loosey goosey it is I'm not sure I would've done it anyways because there's no telling what the devs deem A-OK and leaderboard removal worthy

Plus I wonder what the absolute lowest time in China is, both solos and trios. I assume Valda was lowest bar none

[kind escarp]

it should be yeah

no clue tho

[peak finch]

https://www.tiktok.com/@graywolf1st/video/7616203286261091601

[fickle linden]

i didn't break agnivat astral aegis once

[viscid wraith]

imagine breaking just clash with kylin ult

https://giphy.com/gifs/cloud-final-fantasy-square-enix-XAyR9FP0XY07ZzEcfZ

[cursive fable]

@valid roost lowest trio cn 21

not sure about valda, sorta buggy

[west crater]

Or dying the moment she puts the swords down, resetting the threshold and skipping the flaming orb animation.

[cursive fable]

valda solo is like buggy with the disconnects

[cursive fable]

heeyyy would you able to keep a placement?

[viscid wraith]

I dont do trios but in solos I think I got 2nd place in temmy ranking NA

imagine someone did their run last minute

[cursive fable]

whats the reason you dont do trios

oh wait the answer is pretty obvious

[viscid wraith]

I dont have someone to play with lol

my friends are pvp players in NA

[kind escarp]

[west crater]

https://v.douyin.com/ddSaQfS_sSo/

[viscid wraith]

How about youuu?

[valid roost]

Limit break Kylin ult 🧠

Bro got the rainbow bar and popped ult internally like it was a JRPG cinematic

[west crater]

Well, i did it!

[cursive fable]

gratss

[fickle linden]

oh servers up

no one dropped me in the leaderboards in the last 3 hours nice

[valid roost]

Phew the competition is quiet now, barely anyone playing I can get top 1 Matari in no time

Also on a serious note weekly fatigue didn't reset

[cursive fable]

well it was worth

[fickle linden]

[cursive fable]

at least inferno was fast and ez

[fickle linden]

i only spent 300

[cursive fable]

only:C

[kind escarp]

time to spam niriti

[cursive fable]

@valid roost @viscid wraith @west crater i found him

[amber terrace]

@balmy coral lol trash gem

[cursive fable]

@amber terrace awww you swiping

[valid roost]

The streamer?

I forgot who we're talking about tbh

[valid roost]

Oh him

Yeah I don't think I ever saw him in Penglai

Definitely seen 1kissforever in Penglai before

[cursive fable]

pretty sure he logs on after pvp season concludes/ pve season concludes

[balmy coral]

looks AI

[fickle linden]

lol tried the auto allocate build for shayol

this is the new meta

[amber terrace]

who care

[cursive fable]

@valid roost @west crater its still 1 trio badge regardless how many heroes he finished top 3

the dude must of forgotten it

[fierce light]

It didn't?

Did account levels reset?

[fickle linden]

back to 60

[river night]

New showdown levels are peak, anyone know the music behind this scene tho

[fickle linden]

i just did 10 games for breakthough aura

[fierce light]

Ah , might not be able to reach Lv. 100 then cause I spent 1200 fatigue already

[fickle linden]

and left rest of fatigue for new season

[valid roost]

I'm account level 40

Idk how people have account level 60

[cursive fable]

whats account level?

the showdown level that capped at 100?

[valid roost]

Showdown level yeah

[cursive fable]

btw, for next season trio, you gotta do it very late

i think he just snipes anyone who is higher ranks than him in trios

lol

[kind escarp]

60?

[fickle linden]

my bad, 40

60 levels were taken away

[fickle linden]

yeah 40

[kind escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wipe-gif-16574265568803907770

shayol is so fun actually

imma max her

[cursive fable]

unless your a cn top 3 players lol

but i dont think discord is accessible in china ip

wym? your badge is on cn?

the ping diff tho

[severe minnow]

Tell me when you get on so I can hop off ❤️

[cursive fable]

wait you got the top 1 cn time for farie this season?

@somber dagger ops i take my words back

[quaint girder]

NICE

Lotus Potential has been completely removed

My DT Lotus Matari doesn't exist

[loud citrus]

:0

[viscid wraith]

ripge lotus

[sleek bronze]

hehe

[amber terrace]

lol

[viscid wraith]

cheater !

[cursive fable]

@quaint girder i think this build still works

[fathom edge]

What jades are good for Shayol? All thunder?

[viscid wraith]

it's too early to tell but most of her kit revolves to countering and defusing

[amber terrace]

new jade

[fierce light]

24 hours haven't passed yet, try some things out

[cursive fable]

hi zero

[cursive fable]

does this still works?

lowkey it might

[fierce light]

I haven't been on yet

Afaik the new potential only removed Lotus

If they didn't remove anything regarding Demonbane Mark then yea

[amber terrace]

any nirriti ruin legendary

[heavy gulch]

The potential is broken again. No lotus 👎

Stupid naraka

[plain spire]

Matari gonna be broken with this new souljade

[kind escarp]

she's peak with a lot of armor rings

[plain spire]

The only thing sucks is to activate you need to crouch horizontal

[fickle linden]

ima go burn zai for nirriti runs ig

lvl 21 or 22

cant remember what gold weapon did over epic weapon, base atk increase?

like 20 or 40atk

man i need legend jades i used all mine for top3 badge

[amber terrace]

anyone go nirriti ruin legendary?

[valid roost]

TIL you can be frozen in the Naraka ball bonus stage by a frost spike????

[fierce light]

+20 ATK
-# +5.37% Base ATK

[balmy urchin]

I thought we are getting a total of 20 chest from Yama's? I finished it up to Par20 why I only got 10 😔

[signal kite]

died 3 times

[sleek bronze]

they lower the prize to 10 😭😭

[drifting lance]

🎉 | icccq leveled up!

[signal kite]

best tank

I might have died 10 times but died 5 times becoz she is a tank hero

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-16644513012642585936

[rotund forge]

Come to SEA too and disrupt the rankings

little chaos good for health

[crude pawn]

😭

[kind escarp]

300 IQ 🤌

[rotund forge]

Where's this thread

[balmy urchin]

Im already hating this season

[signal kite]

Why only hate when can also delete the game

Show them your extreme level of hatred

[amber terrace]

[amber terrace]

#1266668874125021225

[rotund forge]

How's shayol

[rotund forge]

The kylin thread is that even a bug

It's kylins feature right

To disrupt anybody

[austere dagger]

ye

[rotund forge]

The valda idk

Haven't even used her

[austere dagger]

valda is bug, there a lot of douyin video out there

first time it appear is the disconnect bug, then the suicide bug, and the third bug still hidden

[round glacier]

5 bosses the limit

New jades and potential might be pretty op lol

Shayol skill easy to spamm with 100 mod

[fathom edge]

[amber terrace]

idk and don't care about that

in my eyes is wwm now

[kind escarp]

trash game

[amber terrace]

yup trash gem

[heavy shoal]

What build did u do and what did u press

[rotund forge]

Wait why I can see the cn server now

Did devs fk up again

[kind escarp]

go check

u might get free gold randomly

[rotund forge]

Logins restricted

[kind escarp]

ah yes i forgot

u need id

[viscid wraith]

it's always been there

[heavy gulch]

👍

[valid roost]

Almost certainly a skill issue but Shayol Wei feels a bit clunky to use, but mostly because of rent firmament feeling rather underwhelming, and her defuse is long too. But so was Zai's and I got used to her defuse

[rotund forge]

Rend firmament not do any dmg

Only aegis on boss

Just use the heavy charged atk

[signal kite]

I think it was regular thunder element build with some armor gaining rings and just ulted at the start of each boss round then used her throwing guard atk and it instantly accumulated my devine thunder,, so ult>v(to throw her ult at boss) > counter accumulated thunder> she gains armor from counter > and armor means u can throw her v again and keep doing the same eventually boss will die

[valid roost]

Even that aside it feels like it has no impact when it's used. Visually striking but it feels empty

[kind escarp]

heh that lizard movement is funny...idk what its called

when boss about to atck u just go behind their ass

https://tenor.com/view/kakashi-secret-technique-gif-22112807

[rotund forge]

Really I didn't see that option before

Only new update show it

[chilly kestrel]

eyes issue at this point

[rotund forge]

No man

It never was there

Theres only 4 servers for me before

[chilly kestrel]

thats so weird. its been there since day 1 for me

[rotund forge]

well china is banned in my country

Maybe coz of that

But now it appears

[chilly kestrel]

oooo damn yall be beefing around

[lone umbra]

It was there from day 1

[chilly kestrel]

certified eye problem @rotund forge

[rotund forge]

My game was different then

[signal kite]

yo which one should i select? i like valda costume , i like greatsword ,i use justina so can also select long sword ,,,,,... hmm seems i should go with cannon coz it looks cool

[rotund forge]

Feria or scarlet outfit

[kind escarp]

nerver touching this again

[rotund forge]

Too much legend

[fierce light]

Lol why yall doing Legend on Day 1

Ofc it's going to take extra long

[limpid pecan]

to reach potential points faster so the builds we play are usable?

[versed barn]

why not, idk how it was for others but for me was easy

[kind escarp]

cuz it's a pain in the ass... now i don't have to think about having to complete it and just chill

i mean it is possible with 8 or 9 fire forge always

[fierce light]

First few levels of Yama's are super easy and going to be grinding Nirriti's Ruins till Enigma opens anyway, so I just do it later.

[kind escarp]

that's fine...i just can't relax when smth big is on my list..have to finish it 1st

[fierce light]

I'm kinda screwed anyway cause I spent 1200 fatigue before patch

Lame they didn't reset it this time.

[sinful grail]

Doesn't the fatigue reset occurred only when it matched with the pvp season ?

[hollow herald]

Any recommended potential settings?

[fickle linden]

where are you gonna use these builds

speedrun closed, enigma closed, tempered inferno closed

[static urchin]

Need help Nirriti's Ruins "Legend"
Server SEA

1 round

[signal kite]

fastest

[kind escarp]

[warped falcon]

[idle lodge]

[drowsy crow]

[fathom edge]

[bold folio]

ill choose the bride ofcourse

[fickle linden]

one of the immortal extremes, they are hardest to get without guarantee

unless you don't like any of them

you can get dupes of immortal extremes so it takes years to get them all unless you are super lucky

[valid roost]

Doesn't lotus also have the risk of getting dupes?

[fickle linden]

honestly don't remember, i'm only missing valda extreme from that and i don't want that so haven't paid any attention to that treasure in a long time

[balmy urchin]

They ruined my lotus build 😔

How is it that they remove the lotus build in the Skill Tree?! They should've remove that demonbane skill tree coz no one is uaing it

[fickle linden]

i was using demonbane

[versed barn]

i also using demonbane mark

its strong build

[kind escarp]

nuh uh

[calm kestrel]

Lotus wasn’t viable last season fr…that’s why not a lot of people used the potential tree. Hence why they got rid of it hahah.

[drifting lance]

🎉 | OP・Knuckxedo[NA] leveled up!

[warped falcon]

Yep and it’s also such a mess head-ache inducing build. Too much lotus explosion on your screen you can’t see anything. I’m glad they got rid of it. I hope it’s permanent 😂

[calm kestrel]

IF they bring it back, just add another potential tree. Don’t replace any of the current ones.

But I agree, lotus explosions were cumbersome.

[kind escarp]

why did i read ur name as "knucklehead"

[valid roost]

It'd be best if they just let us swap out potential trees to pick and choose what buffs we want but I guess that'd be a balancing nightmare if they did

And tbh it would probably make new people think lotus is anything worthwhile still outside of thunder mark

[valid roost]

Also IDK, I still feel like Radiance Flow is 1000% more blinding than any amount of lotus jades

[limpid pecan]

as if there is any balance in showdown

xd

[wanton marlin]

what does this item do? i mean i know it says right there but i dont know what "breakthrough hero levels" means

[kind escarp]

it allows u to upgrade heroes pass lvl 20

[wanton marlin]

ohh alright thank you

i dont have a character at lvl 20 yet so i couldnt see where to use it

makes sense

[kind escarp]

u only get them 1 per week so use them wisely

20 - 24 will cost 1 each and 24 - 25 will cost 2 of them

[wanton marlin]

i see

[wanton marlin]

thank you very much

[kind escarp]

sure np

[marble kindle]

o7 lotus tree

[kind escarp]

heh lotus gone

good thing i didn't touch them

[marble kindle]

screw the hippies LOL

I'm assuming Nittri ruin is the way to go to pad my showdown level?

[kind escarp]

yes yes

make sure to use +50% bonus cards as well

i only managed to reach 60 for now

[fickle linden]

you get same amount of xp from any mode but yea get those fire forge lvls up and achievmeents done

[worldly moat]

The best as always, thank you for helping us!

[fickle linden]

just repeating what darkzero has said

he da best

[mint wagon]

Niriti solo is boring, disconnecting for today

[fierce light]

60 from 40?

[valid roost]

What would the best mastery jade be to use on Zip? Just to get her off of using the sap jade I use on everyone else

[fickle linden]

i use cyan fang

i think it's the best one

[valid roost]

Makes sense because what else would she use if she's spin 2 win

[fierce light]

Just want to avoid Sap really on her

[cerulean temple]

Will the kylin thunder scorch build change ? Now that we have new souljades

[valid roost]

It was all I had at the time for her last season but thankfully I only seriously play her pre curios since I'm usually healing duty

[fierce light]

Very unlikely. The new jade effects with Counterstrikes mainly buff Aegis DMG, while Burn does no Aegis-DMG nor does it benefit from broken Aegis.

[cerulean temple]

Same for valda right?

I wonder if the new build is strong enough to replace thunder scorch or thunderspell mark

[versed barn]

tbh this new threefold marks is just crazy

i mean

dmg from defuse -draco its really nasty

also this from sunwing

but idk counters are questionable somehow in my feelings

btw Shayol is really fun to play

[amber terrace]

Any funny build on new jade?

[fierce light]

Valda definitely wouldn't want to switch.

[fierce light]

I haven't had the opportunity to play it much yet. been busy making factory.

But I theorized from the Test Server:

Thunderpull, Thunder Counter, Thunderproof, Threefold Gathering, Four Spirits Converge, & Dual Spirit Marks

I'll get on in a bit and recheck the dmg multipliers to see if they nerfed/buffed them.

[fickle linden]

what game is that?

[fierce light]

Arknights: Endfield

[amber terrace]

lol

wibu gem

[exotic canopy]

do burn builds prioritize attack or health to be the higher / first to recast

[fierce light]

Health. Maxed Attribute gives +4.5% Burn DMG Bonus.

But only if you have Blazing Flame unlocked on Potential.

[exotic canopy]

thank you

[wind light]

help how to do this

[fierce light]

They're from the green scrolls

[wind light]

which scroll exactly 🙁

[fierce light]

They'll appear by chance when you clear a chance in Ruins

Well you'll have to unlock them in the Fire Forge first by playing it enough.

[wind light]

ah yeah that one

i just unlocked some of them

[fresh finch]

For who is the new jade set best suited for ?

[amber terrace]

all

[fierce light]

They made them pretty versatile intentionally

Still, don't compare to the mobbing power of Ice Surge though.

[exotic canopy]

is thunder mark chain still better than ice or ts surge on justina?

[amber terrace]

Oops

[misty bridge]

[cursive fable]

@exotic canopy cant tell yet

[amber terrace]

lmao, add multi buy plss, lazy click one by one

[cursive fable]

thundermark charge on justina is better for bossing

@fierce light i need my 4 mod on arcane strathos

currently still checking douyin guids

guides

the battlepass showdown seems like a must buy

its like 500 jades,350 stones, 1 legend crystal

[fierce light]

Yeah about 2 weeks of materials

[viscid wraith]

[shrewd mesa]

thoughts on Shayoi?

[turbid agate]

fun

[shrewd mesa]

she has been fun but her ult seems odd sometimes

[shrewd mesa]

like i can throw the shield alot sometimes but other times i get like 2

[turbid agate]

very true, but she's cool

have to watch your armor

[shrewd mesa]

the throws are based of her armor?

[turbid agate]

yup, if u dont have enough u cant throw, thats where skill is usefull, hit enemy and get armor

[shrewd mesa]

i see thanks for that

[turbid agate]

of course

[kind escarp]

yeah...prob only used 700 fatigue or smth

[viscid wraith]

[fickle linden]

damn i hate nirriti's

[shrewd mesa]

its 2 long bro

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-sad-spongebob-depressed-spongebob-head-in-hands-spongebob-react-gif-2112710549962906415

[fickle linden]

even few mins run is too long

[kind escarp]

shayol made it fun for me

[fickle linden]

i hate the loading screens

[kind escarp]

[shrewd mesa]

^

i wish i could play shayoi with curios

[kind escarp]

u can in a couple of months maybe

[shrewd mesa]

yea in may

[kind escarp]

i don't mind a long battle tbh

but its just me

[fickle linden]

it's more the never ending loading screens that are 50% of time spent in nirriti

that kill me

[kind escarp]

oh ye that's kind of annoying

and to make it worse i have to wait even more to load the map

and takes time to load shayol's hair as well

(she's bald at start)

[valid roost]

Nirriti is a pick my poison situation for me because if I play my Matari then I'll usually clear less than 5 minutes but if I want to have fun, aka not solely play Matari and only her, I have to pick someone else

[kind escarp]

love a slow and long battle where doing one wrong move will insta kill u... if it is fun why would i wanna end it quickly

wtf is this garbage man....i hate ow

[fathom edge]

[fickle linden]

if anyone wanna do nirriti hard trios lmk

maybe thatll get me more motivated xd

[fathom edge]

Sure.

I’ll go with my Shayol 🧡

[valid roost]

That's all OW collabs for you, at most a select few skins look good and the rest look very out of place

[fickle linden]

whats ur ign

[fathom edge]

3138900120176

[kind escarp]

just opened twitter and that's the 1st thing i saw...my day is ruined now

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-web-of-shadow-peak-cinema-sad-gif-7340388374421121993

[valid roost]

I thought the Naraka collab looked good aside from Wuchen, at least as good as you can make it look in that style

Anyways back to Naraka, I'm having more fun with Shayol now but I can already tell with only 95 days that's not gonna be enough to make a build for her by endgame so I'll prolly have to pass on her

[kind escarp]

yeah naraka is on top of the list

[kind escarp]

i was thinking about making smth other than scorch for her

don't wanna do a single build for 2 seasons

i played valda too much last season i even broke my mouse...

[valid roost]

I want to start building Valda or Kylin or such just so I can actually be a crutch for others in trios but I gotta wait it out for curios first

Or literally just the ice surge build but idk if it will ever get powercrept at some point

[kind escarp]

i mean ice surge is atlease good for mobbing if u do peak

[valid roost]

That's true, just mad expensive to build

[kind escarp]

yeah...i was kind of lucky when i built it

got all rares so quickly

and maxed it to about 97% in the same season

[fickle linden]

this season is gonna be pain trying to get good curios

it's short one

no time to get perfect curios for 2-3 heroes

unless you are lucky

[kind escarp]

good thing i don't compete for yama

so i just need a decent one to play

[valid roost]

I was planning on solely focusing on Matari anyways after I grinded so much last season but yeah, short season makes building for multiple characters kinda impossible unless it's a general build

Thank god for DarKZer0 doing the recasting simulations so we know what's optimal at least

[kind escarp]

[valid roost]

I also gotta remember it's not literally that important to have max stats on a build or else it's crap as long as I'm still doing something for damage

(outside of abyss)

[shrewd mesa]

wait i missed this

[valid roost]

It's in the pins

[shrewd mesa]

oh i see

[amber terrace]

best gem, 1 trash player afk + 1 player matari pistol

[fickle linden]

sea seems to have a lot of afkers

[amber terrace]

yea many trash player

[bold folio]

is there anyone playing doom mode today?

i was matchmatching since yesterday but no one seems to be playing

[amber terrace]

they grinding at nirriti ruin

[rotund forge]

nirriti is more punishing than inferno

For afk players

[amber terrace]

[crimson pumice]

Hope there will be a button to kick afk player out

[rotund forge]

they should make a bot atleast to replace it

[fathom edge]

@fickle linden I’m on now if you want to grind more Nirriti. Lmk 😊

[kind escarp]

they should add a summon sign

and summon a hero to help u

i mean surely it can work if they can add it as a curse in ns and legend

[amber terrace]

lmao, new season just started and meet afk player

[crimson pumice]

yes, that's good

[rotund forge]

[fickle linden]

i gotta run some errands, i can play in a few hours if you still online

[fathom edge]

Just dm me later when you free.

[chrome seal]

Anyone +1 eu nirriti hard to farm showdown lvl?

[shy canyon]

• 2 Sea player in showdown speed mode

[merry narwhal]

If anyone wants to farm nirriti on hard/nightscream NA, I’m pretty much good for most of the day

[signal kite]

If anyone wants to touch some grass we can chill together SEA

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-meep-low-cortisol-dance-chibi-gif-17107758709618840273

[hollow herald]

Should I have the same rare attribute in 6 souljades or mixing is better?

[shrewd basin]

Depends on the build

But you only need a max of 4 mod

And you can never have to many windfalls

[versed barn]

if someone want help with nirriti i ll be ready after 2h ( EU)

maybe faster

[hollow herald]

I currently have 3 scorchings and 3 windfalls in a build with thunderpull, thunder counter, thunderproof, element surge, draco stride and incineration

[versed barn]

try to get 4th scorching for max hydroflare dmg

[fierce light]

As far as spreading rare attributes goes, you want to spread them evenly as much as you can among all your Souljades.

[valid roost]

I mean if you only had one single attack stat on all 7 jades and the rest were windfalls making for 21 windfalls, I'd say that's too many windfalls

<@&1268843709106229278> spam bot above

[tiny coral]

Gone thanks for the report

[inner moss]

[raw magnet]

[shrewd basin]

Nah shoot for 24 XD

[valid roost]

True if you +200% windfall a jade then you get 3s Paragon 20 abyss times the rest of the world just doesn't know it yet 🧠

[fierce light]

No more than 2 rare attributes on a Souljade is ideal atm

Hopefully we get more good attributes so builds aren't just farming for rares.

[limpid pecan]

@fierce light what would be best build for shayol?

i guess thunder scorch for her synergy with parry in ult?

[valid roost]

Realistically I don't think we'll ever hit a point where there's a build that requires more than 2 rare stats on a jade. No one is competitive enough outside China where the DPS loss due to rare stat distribution is slightly suboptimal

[fierce light]

When you go for 3 rares, you lose a non-rare attribute (potentially 2x value if it's a double Windfall jade). I think there was only one case where you'd want more than 2 and that was for a specific Thunder Scorch set up.

Don't think that's the case anymore with the nerf to Blazing Flame.

[fierce light]

Yeah, Thunder Scorch is the strongest Thunder Counter build atm, which synergizes with her ult.

[limpid pecan]

u have list of jades/stats?

[turbid agate]

thunder surge scorch is still good right?

[fierce light]

Just an issue with Thunder Charge is that you won't get much shield throws. I haven't done any numbers on her kit yet though to know if that's a large dps loss

[fierce light]

Yeah, it was unchanged. So still very strong

[limpid pecan]

cant u just throw shield instead of parry release?

[valid roost]

Already seems like the new jades are quite good on Matari but any chance they actually synergize with her curio or is the different rotation too much of a bottleneck to her curio DPS?

[fierce light]

I haven't tested it yet tbh. I've only done a few Ruins runs and got off

[fierce light]

You could run Threefold Gathering by itself probably for the Attack and Dmg to Bosses bonus

[rich surge]

Guys which mastery jade should I use on yin here and which attributes should I look for?
On my other jades I already have x8 windfalls and x4 moderations

[fierce light]

With her Curio though, I could see it being used to quick restart her Thundershock

[fierce light]

Any mastery except Sap is fine on her. You don't really use many attacks other than Dragonslayer and Razor Swift on her though.

[limpid pecan]

and u have somewher normal thundersorch build stats/jades list?

i know u have something on ur website but im not sure which one is best

[fierce light]

If her Shield Throw activates Thunder Charge, then Thunder Scorch Surge should be best.

The early stages of Yama's would favor the traditional Thunder Scorch though of course since it can get started quicker

[rich surge]

which one is dragonslayer 😂

[limpid pecan]

and for kylin best build is which one?

[fathom edge]

wtf?

[fierce light]

In fights that last long enough to use a full Ultimate, his dedicated build (with Attack, Rage/DMG & Dmg to Bosses|Melee Weapon Dmg) should be stronger. Otherwise, Thunder Scorch Surge is better.

Make sure to use Backfire instead of Incineration though

[fierce light]

The perfect charged attack. Does a thrust forward with the spear.

I fought the new boss the first time in Ruins, sounds like they reused Omnius's voice lines.

[rich surge]

ahh okay thought that was nezhas might, but i guess thats the spinning

[limpid pecan]

@fierce light and mastery jade sap?

[fierce light]

Yeah, huge speed up on Heng Sword's Counterstrike.

[rotund forge]

Huh wait

Wasn't it

[limpid pecan]

seems her ult doesnt activate thunder charge

[rotund forge]

Backfire instead of draco stride

[kind escarp]

hidden area unlocked...devs dont want u to find whats in there

[limpid pecan]

it does max out the thunder mater though

very quick

[fierce light]

Yeah probably considers it Skill DMG.

[limpid pecan]

hm but for shayol copper ward will be ass

without armor her ult does nothing

[fierce light]

That's an option too, for bossing mainly.

[fierce light]

Yeah only Valda's Curio build runs Copper Ward atm

[rotund forge]

What is shayol builds

Thunderscorch works on her?

[limpid pecan]

i noticed some people on leaderboard run this

no HP

with thunder scorch surge

[rotund forge]

Hp redudant value for curios

[fierce light]

Yeah, Radiance Flow out DPS's the damage from Scorching by quite a bit, so Health is forgone.

[valid roost]

New bosses honestly don't seem half bad from what I've played of them, nothing egregiously annoying about them and the big AOE attack is pretty short

[turbid agate]

So if I'm thinking of building a thunder surge scorch build. I would still go for attack and health, and then switch health to dmg to bosses once curios are out?

[fierce light]

With it being off-stage, it gives me hope it won't be in Yama's.

[fierce light]

Yes

[valid roost]

If I remember right it still appeared in Yama on the Gold 1 stage unfortunately... But of course they could decide to omit it in Paragon

I forget what exact stage he was on but I remember him doing it still

I would much rather it not be there but progress is progress

[cursive fable]

this game requires you to save like 2k crystal 4k fragment if you want a top 1 badge

lol

isnt that bad tbh , thinking about it

a battlepass+5 weeks of inferno should be enough

@fierce light i think they nerfed wuchens curio damage by 50% in this season?

[fathom edge]

Not my Wuchen

[fierce light]

Wdym?

[cursive fable]

oh let me double check

like this upcoming seasons inferno

wuchen's curio dmg will be 50% effectiveness

[kind escarp]

[fierce light]

They mentioned reducing it somewhere?

[cursive fable]

ya

[fierce light]

If you're talking about the Aegis-break change, that's separate from the Curio

It never benefited from Defuse Prowess

[valid roost]

If they did directly adjust it, honestly seems weird to nerf Wuchen if they did. Definitely really broken for a curio but it wasn't that broken, either...

[rotund forge]

it was broken for inferno atleast

It just ate up all mobs

justina struggling with her F refresh coz she can't find any enemy

[kind escarp]

this season justina gonna get a curio and she gonna cook everyone

or freeze

summon 10 yushan shadows

[valid roost]

Even better, summons a Justina 2 Electric Boogaloo

[bold folio]

quick question. so the curio is only working when its red?

[fierce light]

We might get Kylin's Curio finally

[bold folio]

and also i didnt obtain the stone for curio craft today

[fierce light]

I think they got all the sub-meta heroes their curious already

[fierce light]

Curios are disabled when Tempered Inferno closes.

[valid roost]

I know Viper already has a curio but I feel like they'd still need to give her another one because she's just flat out awful

Not useless, but her base kit is mostly irrelevant

[fierce light]

Yeah, it actually forcing her into melee range for an attack with a gap in its hitbox was a wild decision.

[valid roost]

Also will it be possible to fully clear enigma domain at the moment, with little hassle? Easy battle event is enigma domain but no one can hit level 100 the first week either

[kind escarp]

i did with lvl 64 or smth but only 7/9

was trying thunder mark on shayol...doesnt really have any stats

[bold folio]

how about this? does anyone knows how to obtain this?

yesterday i got 10 stone, but thats it

i didnt get it today

[kind escarp]

10 per week

[valid roost]

Yeah without tempered inferno you're greatly limited by the number of stones you can get

[marble kindle]

[bold folio]

so sad

[chrome seal]

I think it's possible to get lvl100 in first week no?
You'd probably have to play beyond fatigue with no rewards after 2400 tho
Cause the experience should still work beside fatigue

Also what are the thoughts on the new season builds?
Like the trial shayol poison build
It doesn't seem to be bad but I'm not sure how it compares to other builds
And I don't particularly like poison
I'd prefer thunder

[valid roost]

Yeah, you can only level up via challenges or fatigue spent. Capped fatigue means no more leveling up

And even from challenges it's negligible by themselves

[kind escarp]

these are only weekly...seasonal quest give showdown pass xp

[chrome seal]

Ahaa oki i see
Thx I never realized

Then only way to get it as high as fast as possible is to use XP cards and spend all fatigue on nirriti

[valid roost]

Even then it takes over a week of fatigue to get it to 100 even by starting at 40

[chrome seal]

Yup I remember

Just sayin

[valid roost]

And on that note I don't get the game's obsession with showering us with the showdown EXP cards

I have way more than I actually need

[chrome seal]

I mean season start is basically the point where you gonna use them

[chrome seal]

What about this
Anyone tried the new builds yet?

[valid roost]

Yeah, but I'm level 61 or so, and only about 25 of my uses I'd say have been used. And I started with almost 40 cards, that's about 5 cards of the 40 used...

Will practically last a life time

[chrome seal]

Probably

[shrewd mesa]

i tried solo at like 50 sum they beat my ah

on the last boss

i was trying shayoi in it

[valid roost]

It's designed for level 100 so by the last few bosses they'll one shot you

[shrewd mesa]

yea

im tired of doing ruins already lwk 😭

[valid roost]

We all are

https://tenor.com/view/حضن-بو-gif-873756486592965272

[shrewd mesa]

pain

[kind escarp]

i think 85/86 is the max on this week

[valid roost]

At least assuming no one spent fatigue before maintenance

[chrome seal]

I did 9/9topaz just now
But can't fight huanyue without wuchens curio

[fierce light]

Notice any difference in Wuchen's Aegis-break? Heard they optimized its hitbox.

[chrome seal]

Not sure
I mean I played on shayol trial build
Not wuchen
But last season I only played him cause of the curio
This season I haven't tried him yet

[versed barn]

o7

[shrewd mesa]

sigh

[covert olive]

When yall figure out what build to give wuchen this season, lmk please

I will be contemplating life farming lvls till then

[kind escarp]

noway...got 2 rares withing 30 recasts but both were scorching 😭

[tight lion]

anyone getting more DC/crash in nirriti trios since update

[valid roost]

Not me at least but I have good PC hardware too

Loading times are still a bit annoying

[shrewd mesa]

yea my games been fine but the loading times are legit aids

[tight lion]

anyone know some chambers that do showdown

[valid roost]

You could refer to #1238251923123994644 or ask around in game, not always immediately clear which ones play showdown without checking individual leaderboards or leaving your current chamber and then looking at the list available

I'm gonna go on a whim and say the Venus chamber is still a sinking ship

[tight lion]

yeah I need to find any NA chamber

[valid roost]

Yeah... I got banned from the discord for whatever reason despite doing nothing so IDK what their logic is

But I left the chamber since I could see the writing on the wall

[cursive fable]

join 1kiss's chamber for easy badge

[rotund forge]

What badge

Chamber got badge?

[grizzled canopy]

any good toxin build this season guys?

[viscid wraith]

[cursive fable]

@grizzled canopy ya badge wise , wuchen and ziping,

[balmy urchin]

Help. Can someone explain to me the difference between toxified and elemental burst (poison)

[fierce light]

Toxified/Toxin Blast is not elemental dmg, so it doesn't scale from any Elemental Bonuses, such as Poison Blast DMG. It also has a really high base dmg multiplier.

Elemental Bursts are Ice Blast, Divine Thunder & Poison Blast. They have a cooldown of 6 seconds by default and it'll show up on the side of a boss's health bar when it is on cooldown.

[balmy urchin]

Thanks! How bout Ghastbloom and Venomous Lotus? It says, with Venomous Lotus, the 3rd strike will be Lotus Blast but why I don't see animation of lotus blasting like Ghastbloom has?

Or maybe it does and I just didn't notice it

[fierce light]

Both of those jades can be considered retired since the potential no longer enables them.

Ghastbloom enables you to use Blossom Blasts when Lotus Flowers expire. Venomous Lotus makes Blossom Blasts hit 3 times instead of once.

[grizzled canopy]

they remove lotus potential lmao

the most fun jade for me

[fierce light]

I got a lot of Flux Jades Shards waiting from them.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light wait zero

[drifting lance]

🎉 | 风雷动 旌旗奋 是人寰 leveled up!

[cursive fable]

you disenchanted your lotus jades already?

[fierce light]

No, I will later though

[cursive fable]

i think it still might be meta for justina yamas badge

[fierce light]

I don't plan on making that build tbh

[cursive fable]

bro, btw the two guys accumlated for 20 trios badges on NA, out of like 48 trios badges ithink(16 heroes or 17 heroes)

was that the case for XNA?

[balmy urchin]

Thanks. So the translation is also misleading that's why. Coz the description says it will blast after3rd strike. I still have my lotus build despite of the potential not supporting it bthey should've kept that portion omg. Why did fhey remove the most fun build

[fierce light]

I didn't see the final board, but XNA was pretty chill. Everyone got their dedicated hero

[cursive fable]

in solos NA, people got their dedicated hero's badge

wasnt the case for trios tho

[fierce light]

I guess they don't want to make the potential tree too big.

[amber terrace]

[cursive fable]

i still cant believe the 2 guys controls the trios ladder on NA for two seasons in a row lol

last showdown season was my 1st, same 2 chinese guys

this showdown season the same 2 chinese buds taking every trio spots on NA

not sure if its the case on SEA, alot of people were reporting SEA's showdown bug abuse lol

[still rivet]

This season of show is kinda straight tryin to figure the potential tree since the good stuff is gone

[exotic canopy]

do u mean thunder lotus mark?

[fierce light]

I wouldn't say the new one is overly complex.

• Blue for Burn/HydroFlare
• Green for Threefold Mark
• Red for Surge/Chain
• Purple for Demonbane Mark

[exotic canopy]

kinda sucks the new tree lost the attack buff for not getting hit

[amber terrace]

any funny build for new jades?

[fickle linden]

damn zai so nice in nirriti

[amber terrace]

shayol too

[viscid wraith]

shayol with full armor rings

[fickle linden]

i haven't tried shayol too much in nirriti yet

zai does hard in 3mins without fire forge or most seasonal achievement buffs

with chill gameplay, while watching something from 2nd monitor

[plain spire]

armor rings + 4/4 thunder element unli ultimate charge

[valid roost]

Another issue with trios is you have to know people and a lot of people in showdown already prefer to just play alone or they only play with friends, and if you don't know people who actually invested in the meta picks (or just didn't invest period), you're SOL

[fickle linden]

what if trios you would play all same heroes, like if you wanna rank 1 in trios for feria your whole team has to play feria

instead of kylin and valda carrying your feria

or valda and yoto, or tarka before that

[viscid wraith]

Yes

[valid roost]

Would be at least funnier instead of "no no, Kylin is NEEDED or else you cannot in any way get sub 45s in trios"

Though it would also be very lonely as Matari in NA

[viscid wraith]

that would be funny cuz no one's gonna see me missing my plumes

[valid roost]

No no even better

Triple Kylin and you actually need to see a doctor afterwards from radiance flow blindness

[fickle linden]

bring back lotus builds so i can hide my failings in the screen clutter 🧠

[valid roost]

Triple Tianhai be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6D6Je6bH_8&pp=ygUOYmFsZCBiYWxkIGJhbGQ%3D

[cursive fable]

yes thunder lotus mark the most fun build imo

[viscid wraith]

tianhai + radiance flow be like

[fickle linden]

finally tried the new river run red rift map. would've been cool map for peak or something

[kind escarp]

yeah

[fervent oxide]

Is there any updates for Shayol Wei Build?

[round glacier]

Thunder pull , counter, proof with 2 new gold jades with draco seems interesting

[amber terrace]

oke

[crimson pumice]

sounds good

[amber terrace]

@fierce light 2 armor jades is it good for shayol?

[fair jungle]

u could also break aegis instead of using kylin yk

[fervent oxide]

Thanks let me try

[amber terrace]

@balmy coral WoW

[balmy coral]

kurumi?

[amber terrace]

yup

[crimson pumice]

Too many outfits for kurumi

[round glacier]

Potential combo of hydro and whatever replaced lotus. Counter and eagis break side

Draco could be switched with surge if you can get the draco stuff from the hydro potential tree- top left.

Triple eagis break does that lovely meteorite attack

[kind escarp]

is that even good

[quaint laurel]

hey guys I haven't played showdown for a few seasons does anyone have a guide or know how to farm properly?

I had ice explosion set maxed out but it seems not that good rn

[chrome seal]

Check pinned messages there's the guide from darkzero

There's farming and recasting strategy descriptions too

[sweet star]

is there any specific element thats better for character or any build works?

[fervent oxide]

Thank you I don't understand but okay thanks

dang

I need the second windfall

How do I get this now?

[versed barn]

deconstruct jades with rare attribute what you dont need

[fervent oxide]

Thank you!

[calm kestrel]

No. The only armour jade that’s good on Shayol is Basalt Armor

Armored Artist damage is really bad. Similar to the bolt jades.

Cause BA has 2 extra charges to her ult.

[fierce light]

Armor Scaling sucks in Showdown. The damage of her Ultimate doesn't increase from it either, just gives more throws till you have to repair.

[calm kestrel]

You don’t need to repair. Just use shadow-step vertical. And if you have sap, you’ll heal armour.

Maximum shield throws I’ve gotten with her is 11 in one ult.

Idk if it’ll beat any other build, but it makes her ult really strong.

[fierce light]

The shield throws hit slightly weaker at base than Kylin's Counter Slashes, but without the 180% DMG Bonus that he can get. So it would technically scale better from Dmg stats, but I don't think it warrants a build dedicated towards it.

She'll likely use a Thunder Counter build with Radiance Flow and Verve Banner in the final stages though. Being able to stagger so often would be huge.

[calm kestrel]

I used Thundercounter/pull to get the 11 throws. The issue is an ult dedicated build, even with Enrage, is still hard to build rage on her.

And for some reason, the Threefold Earth mark doesn’t build rage….but it builds elemental damage…

[fierce light]

Yeah they severely reduced/removed the amount of rage you get from Souljade attacks some time ago.

[fierce light]

Really wish they let us set our attribute values in Free Training. Would be so much easier to test stuff.

[amber terrace]

Yea

[fierce light]

For Reference:
Toxin Blast:

• DMG Coefficient = 48
  Tarka's Curio 5-Stack Explosion
• DMG Coefficient = 210
  Scorching Lv. 12
• DMG Coefficient = 54

[versed barn]

this mark enhance is ofc from potential tree ,right?

[fierce light]

Yeah, the capstone node.

[versed barn]

tbh now i am thinking how to scale this dmg

[fierce light]

Attack & DMG to Bosses the only way sadly

[versed barn]

so we have 2 legendary jades like Four Spirit Converge + Threefold Gathering

and 4 other slots to buff dmg

[fierce light]

Dual Spirit Marks is pretty decent too

I'm assuming a rotation would go :
BTA → VBS → VBS

For heroes with a slower Aegis-break, they'd only be able to do BTA → VBS, in which they would probably want to do BTA → ADB.

• BTA = Black Tortoise's Aid (Heaven + Earth + Mortal | Counterstrike + Defuse Counterattack + Aegis-break)
• VBS = Vermilion Bird Scorch (x3 Mortal | x3 Aegis-break)
• ADB = Azure Draco Break (x3 Earth | x3 Defuse Counterattack)

[versed barn]

i thinking about this new jades & potential with shayol to trigger azure draco

[turbid agate]

What does Zai’s lvl 21 change do/work? @fierce light

[fathom edge]

First time in showdown

[versed barn]

you lucky guy, I haven't seen it with my own eyes in a showdown since the introduction of this lotus ding

[chrome seal]

It used to be hydroflare dmg increase
So you needed soak to apply that burn dmg buff
Now it's burn dmg increase
So it's already increased burn dmg without needing soak to hydroflare

[turbid agate]

So it synergies better w thunder scorch builds, right? If I’m understanding correctly

Thank you also

[round glacier]

Yes

[fierce light]

It makes pure Burn builds stronger by allowing them to benefit from Water & Fire Raged + Fiery Bath.

I'll have to test if they stay as multiplicative dmg bonuses or become additive though. If it's additive, then it ironically makes her worse for Thunder Scorch.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light Heyy how many battlepass are you buying concurrently

ppl should buy the naraka battlepass the last week of yamas

basically forcing yourselfto save up mats lol

[fierce light]

I've gotten every single one with the creator gold

[kind escarp]

oh...so i have to do another type of mark if i have the blue one

was wondering why it didn't do anything

[fierce light]

They did in fact make Zai's Lv. 21 Additive. So she legit does less damage with the same Burns on Hydroflare builds.

[valid roost]

The one chance they had to buff Zai up and they still dropped the ball

[fierce light]

Oh wait

Forgot it also gives +10% Burn DMG

[misty bridge]

[fierce light]

Okay, so yeah still additive

[viscid wraith]

[fierce light]

The 10% Burn DMG is multiplicative though. Hmm, I guess that brings her closer to par.

[valid roost]

Is it still a better level 21 than her previous level 21 despite being additive?

[chrome seal]

Keep us posted man

[cursive fable]

did they increase topaz fatigue consume amount per run?

[viscid wraith]

it was buffed before

45 fatigue, 1 key

[fierce light]

Yeah that's what made it the best for Easy Battle

You get an extra 45 fatigue worth of drops over Peak.

[fierce light]

The 10% Burn DMG from Hero Lv. 21 is multiplicative, but the HydroFlare DMG Bonuses from the Potential become additive Burn DMG.

[cursive fable]

wait so topaz is 45 fatigue, peak is 30 peak?

3min topaz possible

[fierce light]

I managed it solo with Temulch Curio

Idk about without it

[cursive fable]

zero

do you remmeber how much mat it takes on average

for a full set of jade( 7 jades)

assuming each jade has double rare

i think its like 6000 frags 3000 stones?

new players cant enter with this requirement

its insane

[cursive fable]

thats for 7 jades right

wait

so around 10k frags/5k stones?

sheesh

[fierce light]

Yeah

[cursive fable]

how much is 1 legend crystal worth?

we get like 400 frags/200 stones on avg per week?

[fierce light]

3 × 95 × 2

• 3 rare attributes on average to get right rare.
• 95 recasts per rare attribute on average.
• 2 Flux Fade Shards per Imbue.

Legend Jade ≈ 570 recasts.

[cursive fable]

ya its crazy

i think some builds even requires 4 mod on the same jade to have the maximize damage

so 6 windfalls spreadout on 6 seperate jades, and 4 mods on the same jade(7th jade)

[cerulean temple]

anyone knows how many crystals we can get weekly ?

by farming nirriti hard

i didnt keep track of that

[cursive fable]

@cerulean temple 240~

[cerulean temple]

not enough