👾┃showdown

[lone umbra]

[balmy coral]

Ye all of it

and the lack of essence.

[spiral kernel]

How much time until showdown news?

[cursive kestrel]

what's wrong with me today

[fierce light]

No, Sub-Zero Seal.

Apparently you just have to complain enough and you'll get one. Happened to me and my friend

[fierce light]

Yeah it's gotten to the point where I only work on Curios that start with 1 or 2 Golds that I want.

If it rolls a gold I don't want, I smelt it

Their rating system is so weird that it puts Charged/Uncharged DMG on the same level as Weapon DMG Bonus. So if you get that, it's really hard to get rid of.

[crimson cave]

well it also misses attack

[drifting lance]

🎉 | maybeshewill [SEA] leveled up!

[balmy coral]

Ye I'm this close to shitposting again since I have too less fatigue left.

[crimson cave]

no weapon 24 tho

[balmy coral]

It just doesn't work since I lack crystals so I need to rely on a curio to reach a certail point when doing last yama

[fickle linden]

this is the meta tactic

complain in discord = it will work out

[crimson cave]

always

[fickle linden]

what's the last build that wanted uncharged dmg?

[fierce light]

You could probably argue Viper, but that's about it

[viscid wraith]

[fickle linden]

so stupid to have it take priority in curios

[balmy coral]

Yet they cancel rage/dmg every single time

these attributes weren't leveled out depending on the importance as per meta but just slapped on.

[spiral kernel]

Guys

How much time left

Until news?

[fickle linden]

funny how almost everytime they do update it feels like they don't even try one game of showdown before releasing it

[balmy coral]

There's just no Quality Check person that truly knows how it works.

Test server is more of a show off then patch anything CN would complain at

[fickle linden]

there is like million little QoL things u could do

but there is 0 point to post them #1266666196552519742

no one from 24e checks that

[balmy coral]

This game is dying globally there's no need to check em

[fickle linden]

test server patch notes up

akos confirmed

crossbow next ranged rework i guess

"comprehensive upgrade of the potential system"

[amber terrace]

. Showdown 4.0 New Season: Frost Ember
New Heroes :Akos Hu
The new Heroes Akos Hu is now Join Showdown, Skills Ultimate with Buffs' Buffs, unlike The Survival modes.
I sound Tiger roared and shook the mountains and forests, and all evil spirits destroyed the liver and gallbladder.

[balmy coral]

https://www.douyin.com/video/7548832304102214951

[amber terrace]

im gonna test

[placid plank]

[fickle linden]

new boss looks cool but it's about to be some bs for sure with those dualblades

[balmy coral]

Let me know

[fickle linden]

potential tree looks NICE

somekinda system to upgrade jades to higher rarity? im not sure my translator sucks

[balmy coral]

so new boss is a hottie with existential crisis and anger issues.

win

[fickle linden]

"new boss battle section: faster you defeat the boss withing the timi limit, the better the reward you will get"

idk if that's showdown or most likely rift?

[balmy coral]

man she's so hot

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jumping-cat-excited-excited-dance-gif-14550165246591709940

[fickle linden]

ima just wait someone to translate whole patch notes

[fickle linden]

i wonder if we get her weapon skin in the showdown store

well actually idc we get best db skin in the game next gold store update anyway

[balmy coral]

akos be like: step more on me mom

[balmy coral]

Finally @fierce light u can now choose which rare to get

but with a new flux

[fierce light]

Oh they actually listened: https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1367893414468648980

[fierce light]

Holy shit

Damn ima have to redo my stat reader all over again

[fickle linden]

plenty of time atleast, looong season

[fierce light]

I'm happy they're finally expanding the tree though

[amber terrace]

no descrreptiion

[fierce light]

Yay, might be able to use Kurumi again

[fickle linden]

it's about to be age of mushroom?? byebye lotuses

[fierce light]

Looks like Element builds are changing again.

[cursive kestrel]

shtttt akos is so fireeee

[balmy coral]

Hope the rarity of this new flux is not suffocating.

[fierce light]

I won't be surprised if it's not craftable

[balmy coral]

It's fine if we can get at least enough for 1 build

It's a step up rather than completely suffering

[tribal bone]

AYE I WANNA SEE TOO

[fierce light]

They do know how to make attractive women, I'll give em that.

[amber terrace]

@fierce light look like new season they focus in defuse

[fierce light]

Fist Blades huh

[rotund forge]

Wtf justina is a boss now

[fierce light]

Damn dual sword boss with fire and ice

Damn she's hot wtf

[balmy coral]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-jumping-cat-excited-excited-dance-gif-14550165246591709940

[fierce light]

Ah barefoot too.

[tribal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-gold-cases-unbox-reaction-gif-10790529016447782587

[fierce light]

[rotund forge]

Tarka ji and justinas grandma

[fickle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-drilla-csgo-gif-13485077269813264205

[balmy coral]

and she steps on u

2nd phase grab

[fierce light]

I apologize in advance for playing bad

[cursive kestrel]

my akos killing effect is waiting to be used now

[tribal bone]

u all down bad

[rotund forge]

I'm gonna take thunder build and get stepped by boss along with electricity

[fierce light]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-lock-gotta-lock-in-locked-in-anime-gif-17422833749436109230

[fickle linden]

in lost ark there was boss where u had typing test while she was boobas in ur face

make you fail raid with boobas

[fierce light]

I hope she doesn't fly a lot like Huanye

[fickle linden]

no flying no iron skin type sh pls

[fierce light]

Oh sick she has a bow

Bow build gonna have competition

[fickle linden]

was really hoping pistol to be next ranged weapon to get parry and stuff but oh well

[fierce light]

👀 she slides it up your back all slow

Damn, wish it was the front

💀

You can parry the freeze?

Swarm got Deadeye too

[amber terrace]

pistol deadeye so funny

[fierce light]

Pistol too

Damn that's a sick parry

Doesn't seem to be a new element.

Wait, it looks like they have a section for Lotus on the potential

[fickle linden]

oh there is pistol too ?

[fierce light]

Don't see anything about Crossbow

[fickle linden]

i wonder if they fixed swarm xp too

[fickle linden]

my translator wrong asf then

[fierce light]

Yeah it looks like they added a section for Lotus

Wonder if they're going to buff them back

I really hope they did something for Ruins

Looks like they made Aegis-break Rage apply to Defuse Counterattacks again

[balmy coral]

There seem to be new modes no?

I have not seen those maps in showdown

[fickle linden]

new story maps for akos

[fierce light]

Just looks like new chapter missions

[balmy coral]

I see

[fierce light]

Haven't finished the video yet

[balmy coral]

ruins gonna be left out again hopefully not

[fierce light]

Oh ew, the new flux only works on existing rares

[hidden creek]

damn akos actually come with fistblade

[tribal bone]

@dusty wharf @rotund forge peak?

[tribal bone]

🤨

how will someone get second rare now

[fierce light]

They gave Kylin his Showdown Ultimate to PvP

[fierce light]

Same way, using Flux Jade Shards or Flux Jades.

You can use the Legendary Jades also, but it will be a random rare (big waste).

[balmy coral]

umm nah that's shit

better than nothing I guess but I won't justify it

[quaint girder]

Man

I love the Akos Defuse

got his tiger claws built in, damn the devs cooking really well in Showdown

BUT LOOK AT MY BOI TIANHAI

CLOUDS OF FEILONG CLAD

BUT CANNOT BUY IT

[spiral kernel]

Yes

Finally can remain him

[fierce light]

Huh

[fickle linden]

that fireball attack from new boss looks so cool, it's actually looking like pve game boss move

[fierce light]

Hope she doesn't spam it

Like Manticore

[cursive kestrel]

save up frags and crystals for akos

[fickle linden]

oh for sure in eerie

[spiral kernel]

@quaint girder also using him with the bp skin of auttoumn god

Perfection

[quaint girder]

I'm using Akos with his default legendary, but man

I hope Zai lives up to her hype like Akos

[hidden creek]

hope they add that db into showdown shop

[amber terrace]

lmao

[fierce light]

Well least yall can test rare attributes a bit easier now

[balmy coral]

We asked for a pity we're given

It is indeed a pity

fr

[fickle linden]

limiting materials in test servers might be the stupidest thing i've ever seen

wtf are they thinking

[balmy coral]

not even flux

[fickle linden]

like legit i dont think i've ever seen more stupid thing from any gaming company

[amber terrace]

[quaint girder]

FUCKING FINALLY

[balmy coral]

[fickle linden]

did they change windfall

or is the translation bad

or do they just mean it makes other attributes stronger

that looks to me like it adds new sub attribute but that would make windfall pointless ?

[signal kite]

Hope they improve showdown pass too

[fickle linden]

they are busy making rift traversal battelpass

[signal kite]

[lone umbra]

she is hot

[rotund forge]

Nah

Rift or ranked yea

[balmy coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300593883255799933/1330187706243747921/twitter_1880045107061354648.gif

[rotund forge]

It says that vaguely

But its 50% extra only

Even in main game it's like that

Somewhere

[cursive kestrel]

i feel like i gotta do thunder build seriously this time

[rotund forge]

watch them cook all builds

Out

[fierce light]

Will have to see how all the adjustments are to see what's competitive.

[rotund forge]

And we gotta farm all new shit

[fierce light]

Hoping they gave something to help with Kylin's rage generation in the new potential.

[next igloo]

What is thunder build mates ?

[lone umbra]

[lone umbra]

u think akos gonna use thunder?

[cursive kestrel]

i mean swarm can parry really interesting

[lone umbra]

i m stick to justina . fk akos

[cursive kestrel]

fk longsword imma go punch monsterssss

[sullen stirrup]

kbm or controller?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | extusy leveled up!

[lone umbra]

ngl somehow i hate akos so much

[subtle bramble]

omg he has pistol

out of the few extremes i have, i have the extremes for akos, pistol and fistblades

new main

[amber terrace]

time to play skyfire again

[dusty wharf]

hop on

[soft pelican]

how do i razor swift on ziping more? i keep having clips into random charged attack that chain into her aegis break instead

[drifting lance]

🎉 | H23FlyingBananas leveled up!
| Extra rewards were added for missing levels
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[soft pelican]

doesnt really happen when im playing alone but whenever i play group content my razor swift clips way more

[fierce light]

Wuchen's Defuse will be one of the highest DPS attacks if they make Aegis-break Rage apply to it again.

[amber terrace]

yea, fire build come back

[fierce light]

You have to release your charge at the 2nd window to do a Dragonslayer. After that, it's just tap Horizontal to do Razor Swift. If you hold it too long or too short it'll do a regular charged attack.

Using your Skill or Ultimate will allow you to follow up with Dragonslayer without charging.

[soft pelican]

im prolly just getting ping

i never clip my spin when i play solo

[amber terrace]

recommend build from gem

[fierce light]

Dragonslayer does a quick forward stab. The other charged attacks involve slamming your Spear in some way.

[soft pelican]

yeah ik

it just sucks that i play ziping to autopilot and now i have to use some brain cell to compensate ping into it

proly just have to release it slightly earlier

oh well if i ever max out my mod then ill never have to worry about that and just spam q

[amber terrace]

i need they skipped map, unlock map in test sv

why must run again

[signal kite]

Thunderbind spell phantom charge defuse thunder charge

[cursive kestrel]

akos doesn't need to be meta for me to play him

he is ma boi

[fierce light]

Just needs to not be Yoto without her Curio tier

[limpid pecan]

thats much better than a bit easier no?

before it was abysmally bad

[lone umbra]

Wonder if it is bcoz of zai . She gonna come soon too

[amber terrace]

3 months

[lone umbra]

Yeah

[fierce light]

Well they still have to get the first two rares first. Just now if those first 2 roll bad, they can roll them how they want.

[lone umbra]

I think bcoz of that burn build back

[amber terrace]

1% to 0.35%

[fierce light]

Ah they buffed it from 25% to 35% of your Health.

So Valda Curio going to be even stronger. 💀

[tranquil beacon]

Oh no I deconstructed my burn build this season for flux jades

[dusty wharf]

ah shet

justina is going to get ducked up

[lone umbra]

heck yah.. i m switch to valda next inferno

[fierce light]

8% stronger burn

[lone umbra]

ah nvm i got trash stats on her curio... no dmg to boss

[cursive kestrel]

new bosses seem fun to fight

and my fps gonna freeze

[fierce light]

Valda mainly cares about Attack

[lone umbra]

I wanna watch that boss and let others fight

[fierce light]

Burn doesn't scale from the other bonuses on Yang Curios.

[lone umbra]

so is this good?

[fierce light]

Yeah

[cursive kestrel]

i saw that sun bead rolling around i knew my fate

[fierce light]

Elemental Accumulation will help to proc Mod quicker too

[lone umbra]

damn too bad i m not gonna use it now

and next season gonna get trash

[lone umbra]

wanna see akos pounce on that flying boss

[cursive kestrel]

she looks like hell dude+matron, i don't know that she's supposed to be hard or acceptable

[amber terrace]

fire build comeback with strong potential

i still use lotus or chain crush

[lone umbra]

She is gonna be hard ngl

[cursive kestrel]

she looks easier than rock octopus for sure

at least she doesn't look like she's gonna jump back and forth

glad i didn't deconstruct em

[amber terrace]

Yea, or mix with new potential

[fierce light]

Those the only jades I did deconstruct.

[lone umbra]

i delete thm long back

[fierce light]

Not worried though, one of the main things making them strong was Blazing Flame having a higher multiplier and Water & Fire Raged was a multiplier on top of that.

[cursive kestrel]

i have a belief that burn build's gonna come back someday

its been 2 years i guess?

[lone umbra]

yep

[cursive kestrel]

but i chose deconstruct copper ward/draco stride/skyfire/ember/incineration for flux shards

[fierce light]

Lol

[amber terrace]

Next season can use lotus or chain

[fierce light]

Those are the core to any future Burn build

[amber terrace]

They still good

[fierce light]

Did they buff Lotus' multipliers?

I guess I should read the article

[fierce light]

You can parry Divine Thunder without Thunder Counter?

[amber terrace]

Yea have 4 potential

[lone umbra]

where is the patch notes?

[amber terrace]

Fire, Lotus, Chain, new demon

[fierce light]

No patch notes yet, but there's this: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/j0QQHTsSqurOx9TDbLdSnQ?poc_token=HOX5wmij__mqpITDUO0mKS0EnDmPBTtuCdT9SrHD

[amber terrace]

I think no

[fierce light]

I guess they just raised the base damage of Thunder Counter then

10% buff, not bad.

[north lynx]

Me staring at this knowing I just got rid of my max draco stride

😐

I'm a valda main now

Rebuilding that musket scorching shouldn't be too bad

[amber terrace]

wuchen/matari with fire build so good

[north lynx]

[amber terrace]

cuz potential has aegis martial make burn

[north lynx]

I also got rid of raging flame and flaming blade maxed !

Hate it here

Whelp hope valda musket still op ig

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[amber terrace]

They buff fire potential so use x4 musket for valda so OP

[north lynx]

Oh good good

I'm safe then

[lone umbra]

I guess wuchen returning now

[amber terrace]

Maybe

[north lynx]

If since I have full valda curio built I'm safe anyway

Safe for the next 2-3 seasons probably

[rotund forge]

Fire is new element now?

[amber terrace]

No

Demon Slaying Seal is new

Ehm..not sure it can be new element

[fierce light]

Wait what, why

I don't see Skyfire coming back. It's multiplier is rather pitiful and Burn in general performs better with access to Hydroflare.

Sadly not seeing anything in regards to changing Nirriti's Ruins

They nerfed Justina's Ultimate.

• Hit DMG: 1.0 → 1.4
  -# 40% buff to Hit DMG portion.
• Ice Blast DMG: 1.0 → 0.7
  -# 30% nerf to Ice Blast DMG portion.

• (At +6 Ice-Wielding) Ice Blast DMG: 7.0 → 4.9

[rotund forge]

bruh

time to invest kylin

[north lynx]

Why did I get rid of it or why am I mad I got rid of it

[fierce light]

Why'd you get rid of it

[rotund forge]

[north lynx]

Needed windfall for sub 40 secs

[fierce light]

Well Valda can probably get away with not having it.

[north lynx]

And since valda skill is always >

Ye I just figured if there's a burn meta she'll be on top since she has an extra jade slot or curio

So I removed it

[fierce light]

Looks like we'll be getting 3 Legendary Flux Jades per Season

[north lynx]

How hard are they to obtain?

[lone umbra]

[fierce light]

They just replaced the 3 regular Flux Jades we'd get each Season

[lone umbra]

2 would be easy

1 would be pass

i believe

[fierce light]

Season Progress, Yama's and Battle Pass.

[north lynx]

Easy nice

Do we still have good dead eye potential plans?

[fierce light]

Potential was split into 4 branches:

1. Burn
2. Lotus
3. Chain Crush
4. Demon/Seal

But there's also a roulette wheel with 4 paths:

1. Martial Skills
2. Dodging
3. Deadeye
4. Counterstrikes

[north lynx]

But yeah pc boards are really competitive, if I don't have sub 40 I don't think I'm guerenteed a badge

And I need one

[fierce light]

Didn't have any non-core jades you could've replaced lol

Like probably Chill Spike

[north lynx]

I rolled 3 scorching before my windfall

[cursive kestrel]

hm as long as meta build is not only 1-2 builds then im fine with it

[north lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/military-gif-22903690

My poisen build is gone

[lone umbra]

wym?

[rotund forge]

he means good shit shouldn't be only 1 or 2 but lot of builds

[cursive kestrel]

this

[lone umbra]

ohh hell.. i will have to stop me to making those builds

[cursive kestrel]

i want pick anyone and can do decent dmg not trash like wuchen rn

[rotund forge]

☠️

[lone umbra]

we do have universal build, right?

yeah wuchen is gg

[cursive kestrel]

i just wanna play like nirriti, wuchen thunder

[lone umbra]

not the thunder build ... i cant parry those on my ping

[cursive kestrel]

woah thinking about having sheer momentum in potential

this nuts

[fierce light]

Upcoming Souljades:

I think Wuchen would still want to run Poison next Season.

[rotund forge]

but u use kylin right

How's the previous build holding up

☠️

[soft pelican]

if i need to leech off of people doing peak should i q the thunder one and hope a kylin carry instead of quing ice

[lone umbra]

that is only thunder i can parry

[lone umbra]

i didn’t invest in kylin but his build is pretty much safe

[rotund forge]

time to farm that ig

[fierce light]

It doesn't look like Kylin's build is changing.

But looks like Ranged weapons have access to Elemental Builds now at least.

[lone umbra]

is there nerf to chain crush?

or we cant see in test server?

[crimson cave]

did they buff bow build in any way

all i care about

[fickle linden]

apparently there is new crossbow but just not for showdown?

[crimson cave]

i think its for rift

[calm kestrel]

Showdown Akos has fistblades thank God, not PS.

[fickle linden]

ah okay was wondering how translator could be so wrong but that makes sense then

[calm kestrel]

https://v.douyin.com/_jkcs7dLXTQ/

[crimson cave]

and swarm got deadeye

[fickle linden]

yeah i hope they fix swarm xp in showdown

every other ranged weapon is like lvl 24 or 25 and swarm like 19

[crimson cave]

now we just need the knives (and bloodreapers)

[fickle linden]

and i've played wuchen a ton in nirriti last season

lol

[crimson cave]

and flamer

[crimson cave]

best way to farm is abyss from bronze i think

[fickle linden]

not gonna bother, xp rate is so bad

it would take forever and i already have red badge for having enough weapons maxed

it wouldn't give me anything but ugly avatar

[crimson cave]

i do on monk and it levels pretty fast

[calm kestrel]

I think Zai will get knives or the new weapon, "chain-link sword."

[fierce light]

Just reading the descriptions, I can assume some new Souljade builds would be these:

Ice Seal

• Successive Ice Blast
• Frozen Blast
• Element Surge · Ice-Wielding
• Defuse · Condensing Frost
• Frostbreak Quake
• Frostbrand Mark

Thunder Seal

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Defuse · Stored Lightning
• Sealing Thunder Decree
• Flash Step Capacitor
• Thunderproof

Poison Seal (Single-Target)

• Defuse · Stored Toxin
• Beneficial Miasma
• Infectious Touch
• Element Surge · Poison-Wielding
• Toxin Seep
• Miasma Drive

Poison Seal (Multi-Target)

• Defuse · Stored Toxin
• Pestilent Pool
• Element Surge · Poison-Wielding
• Toxin Seep
• Miasma Drive
• Toxified Chain

[crimson cave]

you think bow stays as it is?

[lone umbra]

damn again 3 new ice jades

[fickle linden]

got 3/6 maxed jades both thunder and ice, 2/6 poison

not bad

if those are indeed gonna be the builds

[lone umbra]

my resources

[fierce light]

Honestly it's hard to say for Poison so far, as it depends on if it gets sufficient healing from the Potential

If there is enough, you'll be a lot more flexible.

[fierce light]

For Trios, yeah. Solo might want an Elemental Build.

[crimson cave]

need to see new potential trees

[fierce light]

It depends on how long these Brands last as well, in comparison to how quick they charge.

[crimson cave]

next season is 3.5?

so no akos next week

or am i missing out

[lone umbra]

i m still use chain crush if chain crush hasnt been nerfed that much

like lotus

[fierce light]

Yeah Akos already confirmed

[crimson cave]

but for 4.0, not 3.5?

[fierce light]

These new builds seem more single-target focused.

[crimson cave]

yama time

[fierce light]

He's in the video fighting the new boss next season.

and in Test Server already

[crimson cave]

so 3.5 him 4.0 zai?

[lone umbra]

@fierce light i m wondering if they are giving new 3 legend flux jade.. how will we get flux jade?

[fickle linden]

bro 3.5 lasts atleast 6 months

they will release zai way sooner than 4.0

[lone umbra]

zai in 3 months bro

[fickle linden]

zai before peak and im all good

[lone umbra]

most likely in november/december

[fierce light]

They replaced them

Only Flux Jade available would be the one from the Badge Store.

[lone umbra]

wtf

there should be some way to farm those

rathar than destructing

[fierce light]

I'd only recommend using them on a jade that rolls a bad rare AND has high non-rare attributes already.

[lone umbra]

i think peak would open before zai

[fickle linden]

probably

can't remember when peak opens

[lone umbra]

same

[crimson cave]

whaaat why so long?

[lone umbra]

that is always been like that

x.5 always 6 months

[crimson cave]

and yama just basically stuck at the last one?

forever

also feels like nirriti grimd is back since SD exp is reset and TI is closed

[lone umbra]

Yama will be paragon 20

[lone umbra]

Yep it will be a lot of nirriti grind

[crimson cave]

so its 10 more weeks

i see

[fierce light]

Really hope there was some changes to Nirriti's

Too many weak/boring Anima Rings.

[calm kestrel]

and the drop rate of crystals are horrendous.

[fierce light]

Yeah would be nice if it at least had a bonus amount like Enigma Domain has for Souljades.

But instead looks like they just made everything else have a low amount and gave Ruins a normal amount

[calm kestrel]

Or have the elixirs work properly.
Why are people getting 2 crystals in ruins with an elixir buff 🥴
But 8 w/out.
Too inconsistent to be considered a bug.

[fierce light]

Yeah should be a minimum and maximum amount of drops instead of this catch up system.

[north lynx]

They should just get rid of ruins rng all together

Ditd being objectively better for crystals is cringe

I enjoy more viable showdown stages to play, but anyone who knows knows ruins is a gamble and more often bad than good

So it still makes it linear for optimal grind paths

[tribal bone]

Guess we all will be stocked up on crystals again

💀

[balmy coral]

Did they make any changes to ruins?

[fierce light]

@amber terrace Are you in the Test Server? Would you be willing to test some things for me?

[plush grail]

anyone wanna do Enigma Peak (NA) I still my 8 boss killed for season challenge lol

[plush grail]

https://tenor.com/view/little-witch-academia-sucy-shrug-gif-25463727

[zinc viper]

If you need one I can available myself

[plush grail]

I still need 2 lol so ye

[normal socket]

@fierce light hey how is this potential better than this, I simply don't see it

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus Chain doesn't activate Element Surge

[normal socket]

i see....

[normal socket]

what about the top left it doesnt say anything about surge

[fierce light]

Frostbite Surge is Element Surge for Ice-Wielding.

[normal socket]

fuck I am blind LMAO... so which should i max out rage dmg % or rage recovery

[fierce light]

Rage/DMG >>> Rage Recovery.

[normal socket]

One last question, on ur guide in zipping dual chain it says 5 ice wielding and one poison, but on the leaderboard everyone rocks 6 ice wielding, why is that

[plush grail]

can you available your self or not atm

[fierce light]

Weird, I must've forgot to update it when I did Ice Surge.

[plush grail]

need 1 Enigma peak

[normal socket]

I am assuming its supposed to be 6 ice wielding yes, but yeah thank you for your help, im trynna transition to toxified dual chain which one should i replace first u suggest ghast orrr elemental lotus

[plush grail]

all good nvm, thanks tho

[fierce light]

Ghastbloom can't work without Elemental Lotus

[normal socket]

so ghastbloom should go first

[zinc viper]

Oh

[balmy coral]

So, they made even frostbite parriable

Lmao

[zinc viper]

Even the thunder thingie in Paragon 9 lol

[plush grail]

I like it that way tbh lol

I hoping next season is really good for thunder so i have an excuse to make one finally xD

[cursive fable]

cn's yoto

[steep patio]

so happy im a xbox na player

easy #1's

[balmy coral]

whoever u are u stupid fuck

[steep patio]

need 1 lamo?

[balmy coral]

Ye come

ID

[steep patio]

loading up

1sec

[cursive fable]

@balmy coral thats cute name

@steep patio i think cn top 10 time would all be 42 sec

lol

it would just be determined by microseconds kinda nuts

[balmy coral]

Ye sometimes it just comes to boss rng

[balmy coral]

thanks

[cursive fable]

like on CN

u need absolute perfect curio

so even with 4 orange+ correct awakening

[steep patio]

are you na

[cursive fable]

if one of the orange stat is charged damge 9% or uncharged damge 9%

[balmy coral]

SEA

[cursive fable]

u gotta instant delete it

[balmy coral]

u are na?

rip

[steep patio]

yes

[balmy coral]

aww we'd ping grief that won't work xD

[steep patio]

im switching over

ima try 1 game

[balmy coral]

goo

[steep patio]

4001100120169

[fierce light]

It goes to the nearest second then gives it to whoever got that time first.

So for CN you gotta find the fastest strat first and have your stats maxed to even have a chance at competing in the top 10, let alone top 3.

Even crazier that they make Curios pure RNG when CN is that competitive.

[cursive fable]

ya

@fierce light i feel like u need perfect curio

even a 9% charged damage/uncahrge damage

will ruin the curio

like u need 30% elemental 12% attack 12% boss dmg 24% weapon dmg

+the correct awekning lol

[steep patio]

i need you and john to get on

[fierce light]

For yama?

[steep patio]

yes

[fierce light]

Idk about john, but I'm on

What's your ign

[steep patio]

magical lain

get a good 3rd i wanna get under 1min for valda

[fierce light]

Oh you're lain, I'm tripping

[steep patio]

lamo

im playing on sea server i;ll switch after my game

[balmy coral]

first weird interaction of the day: I ulted on kylin but it didn't activate but the whole animation happened.

[steep patio]

ggs

@fierce light im on

[balmy coral]

I just can't-

[fierce light]

Alrighty

[hollow helm]

hello anyone here to help me and my friend in showdown

[drifting lance]

🎉 | TR TAHAR leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[cursive fable]

@fierce light im doing good progress

i can get to 2nd phase as yueshan in 55second

i just need to practice more 2nd phase

i do think the wolf phase is less rng than the 1st phase right?

esp for solo

i feel like 1st phase timing has alot of rng involved, esp in solos

some attacks are just so op

[fierce light]

Yeah, she has a lot of attacks where she's airborne most of it

[cursive fable]

ya

if shes in the airborne attack

almost gotta reset

[fierce light]

I just realized Akos was able to dodge into a defuse

[balmy coral]

Huanyue is so annoying'

[fierce light]

Damn Yoto is so broken against bosses with her Curio.

[hollow helm]

hello

[fierce light]

Dedicated Builds don't look to be changing either, but I'll have to see how the new potential handles.

[balmy coral]

Holy fuc

why Huanyue keeps attacking when it's her transformation

too much time wasted

[amber terrace]

Yea akos has 2nd charge aegis martial

[fierce light]

I think with every stage they shorten the openings between attacks.

[heavy gulch]

I need someone to review my build for kylin

[steep patio]

no test servers up?

[fierce light]

What's up?

[heavy gulch]

Im just trying to make sure I’m not crazy, im averaging 10-12m dmg every inferno nightscream run but as soon as wave 6 hits my ult and melee hit like toothpicks so I must be building wrong

Then I see people with like 25m and one guy had 45m while im at 15m so it’s gotta be me

[fierce light]

What jades are you using?

Highest I've had was 72m, but it largely depends on your teammates, what the upper limit of damage is.

Should definitely be higher than Viper's damage though. Her Moonbane only does 3500-5500% Attack, while Kylin does at a base line 5400% Attack per Slash after a parry.

[heavy gulch]

The souljades have attack,rage/dmg, and divine thunder

[signal kite]

That's that's a lot lot dmg damnn

🛐

[fierce light]

You don't have Thunder Counter on? Can't parry the Lightning without it afaik.

[heavy gulch]

I just don’t like countering it every time it’s just annoying

Thunder proof just makes everything flow better

[fierce light]

Well that's one thing decreasing your damage output.

• Uncharged Slash: 1600% Attack
• Charged Slash: 3200% Attack
• Counter Slash: 5200% Attack

[steep patio]

countering is where all you damage is lol

ive done around 160k damage per hit, and my builds eh

with the right potential tho

[fierce light]

Also if you don't parry Thunder, Thunder Chain charges extremely slow.

[heavy gulch]

Ohh damn I had no clue 😅

[fierce light]

I'm still a good way from maxing my build, but yeah, less damage you do quickly, the slower you charge up its passive as well for that extra 180% DMG Bonus.

[heavy gulch]

What about potential? I’ve seen people go into other trees that their build isnt mainly focused on

[fierce light]

There's 2 options you could run

This gives you very slightly more damage in your Ultimate

This gives you strong parries to use outside of your Ultimate

If you're running Thunder Chain though, you'll always use the bottom one.

[heavy gulch]

Ohh I see ok

Tysm!

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi dark

i think i can push it further

alot of mistakes

is there a bar to track where chain crush is ready?

[lapis folio]

lol

[fierce light]

Sadly no

[cursive fable]

@lapis folio hi

@fierce light oh thats why i see some players

they usually left click once in a while

not for damage?

just to check if chain crush is ready lol

[fierce light]

There's an icon that shows at the top-left when it's ready

[cursive fable]

for chain crush?

[fierce light]

Yes

Green icon, similar to Bead Curio

[cursive fable]

i think this isnt too big on yueshan

having the wrong awakening

it will just slow me down by like couple seconds

@lapis folio your yoto is on par with cn!

HOLY

@fierce light can i see it in training camp?

when the 2nd boss goes to the floor from the roof phase

does she always go down at the 12o clock position?

[fierce light]

Yeah it's always in the same spot

facing the direction she spawns in the 1st phase from the center

She goes further back a little to the left of the line

[fierce light]

Yeah Attack, DMG to Bosses, Weapon DMG Bonus and Skill DMG Bonus would be best. Plus the other Awakening.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light ya

if i have to choose the 2

like weapon DMG vs SKill dmg on yueshan?

weapon> skill right?

since for yueshan ult form, both of them are counted equally

but in human form, i think weapon attack does more dmg contribution than F

[fierce light]

Weapon slightly better. Assuming you do 2 Torrent Flows between each Skill.

• Torrent Flow: 614% Attack
• Skill (out of Ultimate): 1200% Attack

[calm kestrel]

Why are you going for no rares? Wouldn't 6 Windfalls be a damage booster?

[cursive fable]

@fierce light attack /dmg to boss weight more right?

like 12% attack/12 boss dmg > 24% skill/weapon

[fierce light]

Yes

[fierce light]

I'm going for 6 Windfalls.

[fierce light]

If they did the potential right, it should be a lot more straight forward this time. Aside from the Curio builds.

[calm kestrel]

New potential tree allows us to branch into any tree with any element. Testing a Frost Burn build now.

[lone umbra]

Yep. Bosses can't do anything if yoto do good rotation on cc

[fierce light]

Oh you're in the test server?

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi dark

do you know how much weapon dmg 24% is around total damage increase for yueshan soloing 10th floor

i wonder if i should use my perfect stat one or the other one with the correct awakening

[fierce light]

Weapon Dmg makes up about 48% of Yueshan's damage with Ice Surge.

[cursive fable]

damn

thats like 11.52% of my damage

def taking this curio although the awakening is wrong

i think im losing too much dmg if i use the curio on the bottom

[plain spire]

Is this Burn/Ice/Lotus/Thunder? Anyone got the info on this?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | ・14・[SEA] leveled up!

[fierce light]

That's the Lotus section

[calm kestrel]

No I'm not.

[calm kestrel]

That's Lotus. specifically Poison.

Burn is the section on the far left.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light im so pissed i dont have frag saved up for ziping

didnt know ziping use toxifiched chain in yamas T.T

i thought zipign was pushable

until i realized i dont have toxified chain lol

[plain spire]

So it's Burn/Lotus/Poison/ ???? last one doesn't look like thunder

[calm kestrel]

The sections are as follows:
Burn
Lotus
Chain Crush
Seal

[fierce light]

Seal is related to the new line of Souljades coming

[calm kestrel]

You choose an element(Ice, Poison, Thunder) Before you pick a section to spec in to.

[plain spire]

Pistol gameplay looks fun

[fierce light]

I'm curious how its Counterstrike works from a distance

[cursive fable]

@fierce light i feel like we should hold on to frag/stones

[calm kestrel]

Glad they worked on Swarm. Cause Tianhai's staff DPS is atrocious.

[cursive fable]

until the last 2 weeks of yama lol

the jades changes way too much

[fierce light]

Yeah the meta builds usually are solidified within the first 2 weeks of Tempered Inferno

[calm kestrel]

What I don't understand though, is that the new Showdown jades/heroes and potential changes are referencing season 4.0

So we skipping 3.5 now??

Or are they just getting away from the .5 seasons all together?

[fierce light]

Maybe it's a part of the change where they said we'd only get 2 maps per season

[calm kestrel]

Makese sense. Especially with them talking about releasing a hero every season.

[fierce light]

This pretty much what I need to know from the test server.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light are ladder usually finallzed by this day？

or does it becomes super intense the last 2 days before season ends?

[fierce light]

Whenever people finish their fatigue yeah

But for large gaps, I don't much can be done

[cursive fable]

ya i need to hit 2min mark on yue

lol

need 53s of improvement lol

ill prob just sit infront of my computer all day

this weekend lol

[cursive kestrel]

Test server only available for chinese now?

[strong kiln]

Is this test server on yet?

anyway, Imma check real quick

[fierce light]

It just says it launches on September 11th, idk

[soft pelican]

what a date to launch

[cursive kestrel]

[cursive fable]

im an idiot

idk how to dodge the aoe when the 2nd phase boss is on the roof

the graphic doesnst seem transparent enough

[lone umbra]

yeah i also can't get in global

[cursive kestrel]

it's always like this when global test server still unavailable question is when?

[crimson cave]

I don't see any ranged icons here 🤡🤡🤡

[fierce light]

The 3 symbols at the top

[spiral kernel]

Guys what do u think will be good for akos as build? Want to pre farm

[signal kite]

reached lvl 400 and justina hero score reached 4444 after my last match XD fuuny

[lone umbra]

never.... they dont care about that

[lone umbra]

i wanna see new things but cant get into test server at all

[spiral kernel]

@fierce light yo mate u got akos build to pre farm recommended?

[signal kite]

Let the season start at least bro ,,

[plush grail]

Gotta get pre set already before he even arrives

[crimson cave]

ah aight

[balmy coral]

@amber terrace still awake?

[viscid wraith]

deadeye pistol

[cursive kestrel]

bro swarm is more interesting

[viscid wraith]

wuchen's finally usable

[lone umbra]

that turn into rocket launcher

[cursive kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-uranus-funny-gif-5592718

[lone umbra]

I m sold on wuchen swarm deadeye

[lone umbra]

just give me skill dmg bonus

[plush grail]

wtf I just saw a glimpse of what I think was the new potential tree

wtf did i just see

Im losing braincells looking at it

https://tenor.com/view/anime-horimiya-hori-watching-peek-gif-10767134885985072202

[limpid pecan]

looks like its an actual tree

with some choices

instead of ice go blue

[tribal bone]

It aint that tuff king

[plush grail]

Nah you dont get it

See the thing is

Im S tier stupid

[tribal bone]

Oh

[plush grail]

[tribal bone]

Makes sense now

[limpid pecan]

i mean just wait for next patch

[limpid pecan]

im sure u will figure it out

[plush grail]

it looks fun to figure out ngl

[fickle linden]

@fierce light kylin in pvp now

[plush grail]

but holy i will be sitting there looking at everything for a bit

[plush grail]

and what the hell is this now

Not like this please no

[balmy coral]

This is the 10th scorching on this jade

[hidden creek]

10 more scorchings and you'll get what you want

[balmy coral]

I don't even bother maxing anymore. This is so tiring

[hidden creek]

imagine playing showdown KEKW

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[balmy coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105268663520612394/1163432533015396423/togif-7.gif

[spiral kernel]

Btw besidas akos martial arts we get another charcther martial arts?

[balmy coral]

Just released hours ago and yet

It's unreal 5 btw

really poetic how players expect an optimized game on first release

[heavy gulch]

tbh most of game devs dont know or dont hire /paid enough for unreal engineers to optimize game very well

that its a problem

ue5 is great

[hidden creek]

most of devs skip game optimization these days

[heavy gulch]

true

[hidden creek]

because of the stupid upscale and framegen

so they think they can get away with it

[heavy gulch]

upscale and framegen is poop

[hidden creek]

yep

i still remember a funny comment on an youtube video showing a new game's gameplay

''well there's definitely some gameplay in all that motion blur''

🤣

[balmy coral]

In reality, devs expect u to use upscaling to fix this which is stupid

[hidden creek]

yea they went with the logic of ''you can just upscale it later''

[balmy coral]

They should just abandon unreal just becos it's convenient and easier to use.

[hidden creek]

which is fuggin dumb

[heavy gulch]

i know its lil bit offtopic, but do you buddies feel the current games generations are boring af and similair?

its totally nothing new

[hidden creek]

to be fair it's hard to pull out something ''new'' these days

but still, yeah

[heavy gulch]

okey graphics its nearly photorealistic

[balmy coral]

Not too boring cos we got peak games like Expedition 33 and such but most are simply flop

[heavy gulch]

but physic and design in games sucks af

[heavy gulch]

i mean online game

single player games are ok

[balmy coral]

If u meant mmo?

[heavy gulch]

kinda

[balmy coral]

Where winds meet, Aion 2 are two mmo games to expect of

[heavy gulch]

cuz i know technically is hard to develop good game with a lot of crazy mechanics

[balmy coral]

I dunno the rest cos Liberty is already dead

[heavy gulch]

lol this game already is nearly 1 year after release

[limpid pecan]

tbh i feel like we peaked in terms of graphics in cyberpunk

and since then

games look worse and worse

[balmy coral]

I don't see ppl often talk bout it

[hidden creek]

project D dragon sword which is considered dragon nest's successor
and that riot MMO

but tbh i lost hope in current day mmos

[balmy coral]

I'd expect no less from riot tbh

[heavy gulch]

i think its not hope for mmos

every mmo look same since black desert

in my opinion ofc only

[hidden creek]

ppl these days plays moba, br, gacha, fps, hero shooter more

mmos is eh

idk

kinda dead

[balmy coral]

I have not played any mmo since forever

[cursive fable]

mmo is for rich 2nd generation

if you have alot of cash, mmo is the best genre type

[hidden creek]

yeah cuz u can ez clap ppl with ur molah

[cursive fable]

ya

moba, br, gacha, fps, hero shooter , these type of games are for kids

[hidden creek]

which is also the reason why mmo is dead in the first place

[cursive fable]

usually alot more players

ya

mmo audience is way lesser player

but each player spending power is gigantic

is naraka like half mmo?

lol

[hidden creek]

def not

[cursive fable]

it feels like a non p2w pvp mmo . at least

[hidden creek]

mmo rely on the massive number of players participating in the same activity at the same time

to bring you that dopamine rush

[cursive fable]

@hidden creek thats fake tho

even for WOW

the most popular mmo atm

all activies is like anywhere from 5 to 30 players

[hidden creek]

while in naraka you got 1 to 3 so

[cursive fable]

arena = 6 players, BG = 16 players, raid = 20 players

[fickle linden]

100% mmos becoming p2w killed whole genre

[hidden creek]

you just prove my point

[fickle linden]

sad, mmos were my fav

[heavy gulch]

everything in online ,,service" games is about costs

[cursive fable]

@hidden creek sometiems naraka can have more than 6 in pvp

[heavy gulch]

of production and servers

[cursive fable]

soemtimes trio has like 4 teams(12 players) fighting at once

[heavy gulch]

per month

[balmy coral]

Cyberpunk shaders are peak indeed

[hidden creek]

that's different

[cursive fable]

i feel like the mmo element is gone in mmo games tho

[balmy coral]

I can pull path Tracing on cyberpunk if I can pull it off on black myth

[cursive fable]

like al high content/big dick content is like soloq ,even in mmo games

i guess mmo you can travel around with other players,

[heavy gulch]

bro imagine clicking only 1,2,3,4 on your keyboard

its boring

and everything is about gear

this is agony of mmos

[hidden creek]

when i think of mmo i think about two sides each sides with like a hundreds of players coordinating for a same goal

[limpid pecan]

mmos look so unappealing

[hidden creek]

that's the feeling that only mmo can achieve

[limpid pecan]

every time i see raid

i feel like i am looking at excel spreadsheet

or something

[cursive kestrel]

i kinda like blade and soul boss and raid mechanic but p2w gear is a big no-no

[hidden creek]

i still goes back and watch aion sieges times to times

[hidden creek]

kr mmo is bound to be p2w lmfao

[cursive fable]

@cursive kestrel oh i played bns

do you remember arashel?

[hidden creek]

i literally haven't encountered ANY korean mmo that isn't p2w

[heavy gulch]

true af

[cursive fable]

bns p2w

bdo p2w

lost ark p2w

lol

[heavy gulch]

i have tested the Chrono Odyssey

bro

after 30 min of suffering in this game

i just uninstalled this crap like every game like this

[plain spire]

The only mmorpg i had so much fun is RF online, 3 races battle. Blocking a portal and the next thing the other 2 race is in your face killing you so you call back up and the race leader comes with the council and morale of the gatekeepers rises. Game is so much fun.

[cursive kestrel]

tbf i don't hate it but pvp that count ur gear was meh

[heavy gulch]

after Naraka is no game for me

[cursive kestrel]

[heavy gulch]

but idk why Naraka not making more pve content

[cursive kestrel]

i love it and hate it at the same time

[heavy gulch]

more harder showdown

[cursive fable]

@cursive kestrel is that current bns?

[hidden creek]

24e don't know how to make a pve mode

[cursive kestrel]

no this was thai bns that were closed already in 2022

[hidden creek]

showdown got so many issues that i've been wondering how are people still playing it

[cursive fable]

pve end of the day is pvp

its same in wow too

[magic prairie]

Same

[cursive fable]

people competiting for highest time

like for example

this is just the showdown mode in WOW

its PVE mode

but you get exclusive title if your level is the top 0.1%

[cursive kestrel]

well as long as u can't p2w in showdown it's acceptable

[cursive fable]

ya its non p2w

[cursive kestrel]

people compete for rank and rewards after the season ends too

[cursive fable]

but its like fulltime job x2

lol

[balmy coral]

Looks like wow to me

[plain spire]

Where winds meet looks like a good mmo

[cursive fable]

i used to be alot of wow pvp

@plain spire its not mmo

its single player

more like story telling

[cursive kestrel]

the mechanic was so troublesome somehow, boss was easy to enrage and everyone died

[cursive fable]

i think where wind meets is only fun

if you like chinese history

[cursive kestrel]

i hope it's not like moonlight blade

[cursive fable]

and understand the games background in relative to the corrsponding chinese history

oh shit

[lone umbra]

But need some kind of p2w.. like flux jade.. destructing is not a good way to farm than may be with a limit to buy in game currency like silk/jade disk/gold

[cursive fable]

moonlight blade/where wind meet is all SONG dynasty of china

[fickle linden]

idc how good where wind meets is im not playing another netease game in my life lol

[cursive fable]

but moonlight blade was a fiction written that took place in SONG dynasty

[cursive kestrel]

i mean the gameplay itself and it's really heavy p2w

[magic prairie]

I said it too but look at me playing marvel rivals

Lmao

[cursive fable]

ya

chinese mmos are p2w too

lol

[cursive kestrel]

i only want them to increase fatigue for us

[cursive fable]

the p2w ceiling is higher in chinese mmo

than korean mmos lol

bro i capped fatigue in 3hrs this week

lol

with fatigue pot

[cursive kestrel]

im glad they let us play everyday instead of fri-sat-sun

[lone umbra]

That too but that is good when inferno opens.. otherwise reaching 2400 is pain too. Nirriti so boring alone

[cursive kestrel]

their br system is menace

[cursive fable]

the top chinese are much richer than top korean irl

[cursive kestrel]

we need something more than running nirriti and enigma

[cursive fable]

i guess they just made the game more p2w that way

[lone umbra]

Nake Inferno permanent

And fatigue cap double

[tribal bone]

enigma is fine
but nirriti grind for crystals sucks

💔

[hidden creek]

nah we need a whole new progress system

rather than just either farm this or farm that

suffer in nirriti or suffer in enigma

[balmy coral]

I'll play it to simp and explore

[cursive kestrel]

let me grab flamethrower and burning boss pls

[tribal bone]

no way im playing nirriti 27 times every week just for crystals

[balmy coral]

This is where winds meet

[cursive fable]

naraka is actually the top natease game in CN

[hidden creek]

aside from the graphic what's good about it

[lone umbra]

they could have made rift mode more focused towards showdown

[tribal bone]

??

[cursive kestrel]

wwm bosses seem harder than showdown a lot, that's interesting for me

[lone umbra]

why 27 only?

[cursive fable]

naraka doing hot in CN

blue means NETEASE, red bar means Tencent

[hidden creek]

they got all the materials for a good pve game
but they don't know how to make a pve game

[cursive fable]

#3 (the first blue is ) naraka

where wind meets doing hot too

the 2nd blue bar is where wind meets

[lone umbra]

exactly. they can even do raid kinda thing.. and get rewards

[cursive fable]

4th blue bar is WOW

[balmy coral]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hCqVd1-m46U?si=UU3ElTsL5VRPW6lv

This is the game I'm waiting for thou

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100374573851099176/1414425450050097152/CeeCeelotus_-_1964209855042113604.gif

[cursive fable]

didnt know valorant is so hot

even in cn

[cursive kestrel]

we need raid bosses and doing some mechanics

[hidden creek]

real teamwork

[cursive fable]

lol

raid boss

isnt that yama

haha

[hidden creek]

nah

[lone umbra]

nope

[cursive kestrel]

yama is just making dps

[hidden creek]

currently in trio you play exactly like solo

0 teamwork required

[cursive fable]

this game cant support raid

imo

too much fps drop

not possible

[lone umbra]

just pilot rift mode into showdown raids

[cursive fable]

would be unplayable tho

[hidden creek]

allows us to hide other players

[cursive fable]

imagine 20 palyers casting attack together

[hidden creek]

then it's gucci

[cursive kestrel]

i kinda like the idea of letting us looting and fighting bosses too

[cursive fable]

even bdo struggles to make raiding

just play wow if u like raiding

[balmy coral]

Please give me a game that'd make me quit naraka

[cursive fable]

but raiding is not fun

[hidden creek]

obviously it gonna need alot more work not just slap a raid on top of current showdown settings

[hidden creek]

subjective

[cursive fable]

i feel like theres no accomplishemnt for doing raid

[cursive kestrel]

capture spirit well with 24 players fighting

[tribal bone]

hide players: nah
hide their effects and heavy outfits:yes

[cursive fable]

even if you got the highest rank

[cursive kestrel]

it happened before

[cursive fable]

no one will respect raid rank

cuz its not indiivual accomplishment

thats what happends in wow

[hidden creek]

lmfao who tf cares

[cursive fable]

no one really respeects high raiding progress

[hidden creek]

i do

teamwork is what get you play mmos