👾┃showdown

[hidden creek]

ye you really only want to cast your V when they're down

it does alot of damages, don't want to miss any hits

that's why i fkin hate vinemere spawn

cuz it makes the boss ran away from ur v due to its high value aggro

[delicate stream]

Hi guys, how to do quick counter using the bow and musket?

[hidden creek]

the same with counter with your melee

[fierce light]

Hmm looks like I had an error anyway, it's definitely a dps increase, but before I didn't even consider the delay from trying to defuse or being frozen

Overall a 0.1% increase from what I had before, but in reality much larger.

I'll frame count the time to be frozen and duration of the freeze later, but it isn't needed for this new parse

[delicate stream]

Interesting. I usually have my counter mapped on my right stick and for some reason it doesnt register

[fierce light]

It's my crouch button

[hidden creek]

well i mean if you defuse the freeze then you can start attacking with your weapon right away
while if you purposely getting frozen then you'd have to wait for the freeze to be over to start doing anything

[lone umbra]

Same shit.. in nirriti whenever I try to cast V when boss about go down fkn vinemiere appear doing his charge attack and knocking boss out of my V

[hidden creek]

ikr

[fierce light]

Yeah, but the window to do anything other than her skill is too small

You can do the follow up, but that's about it

[delicate stream]

Makes sense. I guess I have to counter the manual way

[fierce light]

I'm on controller though, so my aim button is the same as my parry usually

[delicate stream]

Also that skill where they show an animation where they reload the musket while it faces down. I think its during deadeye.. how do I get to that state

[delicate stream]

Are there better mappings to parrying? Or is it a preference kind of thing

[hidden creek]

isn't it just the auto reload animation after skyrender shot

[delicate stream]

Skyrender shot?

[hidden creek]

normal shot

during deadeye

[fierce light]

That was just what it mapped too, didn't change any settings

[fierce light]

Hitting a Weakpoint or Head.

[delicate stream]

Hmm. I got in that state once unknowingly and I wanted to know how

[delicate stream]

Ahh gotcha. Thanks

[rotund forge]

9* doom anybody

[fierce light]

Sure, what server?

[rotund forge]

SEA

3069600100168

[fierce light]

Kk

Ima be really laggy there, so you'll have to tank

[rotund forge]

i can join ur server

[fierce light]

NA?

[rotund forge]

yea

[fickle linden]

wish they would have heroes in same order as in pvp

[fierce light]

Video guide on Huanye is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW-qVQ3MQrY
-# I recommend turning on auto-translate for CC.

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

Yeah the order messes with me a bit. I try to keep my sheets in the same orders they do.

I guess you do have to just wait for the formation to appear to avoid her AoE. That timing is so tight for anyone that's not Justina tbh

[fierce light]

Dang Justina is disgusting in Desert Tribulations.

[hidden creek]

bruh i don't think the rare hard pity is 151

i'm pretty sure i passed that milestone from the last time i got a rare

[plush grail]

I have definitely noticed Rares popping up more but the Pity i dont know about. Next time I get one I will keep track of it

[fierce light]

Well that's 302 Fragments worth

Don't think I've gone above 260

[hidden creek]

i mean last time i kinda got 2 rares back to back

but then comes this time

i'm 15 rolls away from 60

and before this i passed the 60 milestone twice

i'm like 95% sure i rolled more than 150 times from last rare

[fierce light]

Well you gotta be real close to it

Chance increases with every attempt

[cursive fable]

@fierce light im getting a blast with topaz

30 jades every 60 fatigue

first 600

30 jade fragments*

[hidden creek]

brown keys?

[cursive fable]

gold

gold key+ fatigue pot , 4min runs

way better than nituir ruin hard

its jsut a little meh compare to peak

[hidden creek]

lol gold key + elixir ofc it's better than ruins

[fierce light]

Yeah Gold Topaz is only 2nd to Gold Peak in terms of Fragments per Run.

[hidden creek]

brown key 150%

previous run i used gold key and i got exactly double the drop

compare to this run

so 3k luck make that much of a difference? weird

make me wonder if luck from different sources works different

[fierce light]

Gold Key also increases the number of drops

• Other Missions: 1x Souljades
• Enigma Domain (Rune Key): 1.25x Souljades
• Enigma Domain (Legendary Rune Key): 2x Souljades

[hidden creek]

well just turn them into fragments count

[fierce light]

Oh nice, BP gives Flux Jade this week.

Gonna use it to try to get my last windfall on Frost Surge.

[hidden creek]

😭

another one from this

[fierce light]

Got 2 attempts then

[cursive fable]

hi dark

is trio topaz much slower than solo topaz?

cuz solo topaz gives like 60% every kill

every boss kill

[limpid pecan]

can be mor

if u destroy jade

on bad roll

[fierce light]

Generally, yeah. Increased enemy health and less progress gained per kill.

But there's the benefit of Yin-Yang Bonuses and multiple Gold Keys.

[cursive fable]

trio givesmoreloot?

niceee

[fierce light]

Not using any Gold Keys personally till Peak.

[cursive fable]

do you have to use a bronze key ?

in order to access topaz

[fierce light]

Not doing that, it's already maxed, just need the last rare.

[limpid pecan]

in that case i guess makes sense

[fierce light]

I'd have to get the first rare right again as well

[cursive fable]

how much luck does brozne key gives

[fierce light]

None.

[limpid pecan]

i mean if u crafting lets say

frostbite chain

u can roll rare on as many as u can

[cursive fable]

oh bronze key is a must right?

[limpid pecan]

then u take the ones with scorching and trash them

[cursive fable]

inorder to access topaz?

[limpid pecan]

then u can add 2nd attrib on the ones that are potentially good

and if u fail u can trash it and get 2 shards to try again on another jade

[cursive fable]

i forgot to borrow your hero

for the weekly quest jade

[hidden creek]

ah shit

125% mod on both ice surge and ILC 🥹

fml

[cursive fable]

got my 3rd mod

niceee

[hidden creek]

oh well

ig it doesn't really matters

since i'm not competing for yama

[cursive fable]

1 more mod to go

[hidden creek]

not gonna waste more flux trying to fix one last rare

aaaand ofc this could happens

gosh i hate this 0 to 100 variations of drops so much

[fierce light]

Recasting Strategy

Every 60 recasts, you will get a guarantee, use these to convert your highest non-rare attributes into ones you want.

1. Recast the lowest non-rare attribute into a rare attribute.
2. If the rare attribute that appears isn't the one you want, do one of the following:

• IF the build you're aiming for wants more than 1 rare attribute per Souljade, deconstruct the Souljade for Flux Jade Shards.
• IF the build you're aiming for only wants 1 rare attribute per Souljade, Recast the rare attribute until a maxed non-rare attribute or different rare attribute appears.

3. Repeat from Step 1 until every Souljade has 1 rare attribute you want.

-# By this point, you have 70-85% of your build's max damage output.
4. Recast a Souljade you don't care about until it gets a rare attribute to deconstruct it into Flux Jade Shards.
5. Imbue your lowest non-rare attribute with Flux Jade (Shards).
6. If the wrong rare attribute appears AND one of your non-rare attributes aren't maxed, Recast it until a maxed attribute appears.
7. Start from Step 5 until all Souljades have 2 maxed non-rare attributes and 2 rare attributes.

-# By this point, you have 90-100% of your build's max damage output.
8. For Souljades with 2 rare attributes you want, Value Recast the non-rare attributes until they're maxed.
9. Imbue the unwanted rare attributes on your Souljades until you get the right ones.

-# Legend Jades allow you to change them to what you want.

[limpid pecan]

ye i was doing it like this before too

but idk

costs so much to get 2nd rare

[cursive fable]

8 windfall isnt that important right?

[hidden creek]

if you're top 1-3 yama contender it is

otherwise eh

[limpid pecan]

i think on ice build u can do dmg to boss 5%

its not terrible

[hidden creek]

yea i think you can do like everything with a 4 mods 4 windfalls build

[limpid pecan]

tbh for yama

probs is better

to roll all attack

into dmg to boss no?

or there is something im missing

[fierce light]

Got the last Windfall. Done with both my ice builds now.

[cursive fable]

grats

[fierce light]

Nope, ideally you want to try to balance your Attack Bonuses and DMG Bonuses.

[cursive fable]

when ice build is done, can we take a break from showdown?

[fierce light]

But there's not much sources of Attack aside from the jades themselves.

Wtf it keeps giving us this Shipwreck map

[limpid pecan]

they are different multipliers?

[fierce light]

Lol yeah ig. Ima be stocking up personally. Curios change the meta and they like to add jades mid-season.

[cursive fable]

which jades arent likely to get replaced?

[fierce light]

Yeah:
DMG Multiplier *
Attack *
(1 + Attack Bonus) *
(1 + DMG Bonus) *
(1 + External Buffs)

[limpid pecan]

but we have a bunch of attack already

that would make dmg to boss even better

no?

and its 5 not 4

[fierce light]

Not really. ILC only gets 15% from Element Surge and 4.5% from Potential.
FS gets an extra 12% on top of that during Element Surge.

[limpid pecan]

and 12% from hero lvl

[fierce light]

Yup

But we only get 4% from Attributes.

[limpid pecan]

but still

we have 0 boss dmg no?

[fierce light]

Boss DMG good for increasing non-Elemental DMG.

Sorry in an Enigma run so my typing might be sporadic

[limpid pecan]

hm

boss dmg and elemental dmg go into same bag?

[fierce light]

Yeah, both are DMG Bonuses

[limpid pecan]

ok then dmg to boss is trash

xd

coz u have like 300+%

elemental

[fierce light]

Yup

Very diluted

Poison and Thunder kinda like DMG to Boss though.

But not Ice, it doesn't have any large sources of non-Elemental DMG.

Aside from on Matari, who has insane Weapon-based DMG, Ice often makes up 75% or more of the build's total DMG output.

[plush grail]

can anyone help me with Doom Speed run ( NA - 2165100100164 )

[plush grail]

later btw not now I have some stuff to take care of xd

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi bro

do you know when is the new tower floor open at

need that rare cyrstal asap

i tink its in 1 hr?

[high swan]

If i am lvl 43 should i run doom solo?

[fierce light]

In 30 minutes.

[fierce light]

If you have a strong enough build, sure

[high swan]

Alright

[cursive fable]

@fierce light 75% cdr(3 mod) feels awful on justina

cant dash spam

lol

need that 4 mod

[fierce light]

Yeah 75% usually only enough for Poison/Thunder builds.

[fierce light]

Ah Huanye is on Astral 3.

[plush grail]

PAIN

I dont like her still

[amber terrace]

that sure

astral 2 is mini boss new boss

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi bro

i have all rare on all my 6th jade now

do i just keep rerolling 1st rare on some random jade now

and disencahnt it once a rare spawns

[fierce light]

This a good stage to practice the new boss ngl

[fierce light]

Yup if you're going for 2nd rares.

[quaint girder]

Running Doom/Speedrun. I have endgame builds ready for most heroes if you need to borrow

[fierce light]

Managed this so far

Going to try again after maxing my fatigue to put more into my Bow build.

[heavy gulch]

does anyone know how to get moderation on a souljade?

[peak finch]

it is random, if you don't have rare attribute in a souljade you can keep recasting till you get one by luck

[heavy gulch]

Okii

[serene canopy]

guyz,nobody uses damage reduction souljades?

Isn't it worth it?

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi dark

it feels so hard to upgrade the values atm

my attack is 3.1% ,50 frag(25 reroll in) only up to 3.3

[peak finch]

Yea there is something weird in the recast value

[fierce light]

Yeah it can get quite expensive to Recast Value. Main reason I try to convert bad rares into maxed stats.

[cursive fable]

last week it was easy to reacast

all of the sudden its much much harder wtf

[fierce light]

The higher the value is, the harder it gets to increase it.

[marble ridge]

I am struggling, which souljade is the thunderstorm for the katana? or which move is that? lol I can't figure it out I've tried both left hold and right hold moves in two separate matches

I'm working on the Seasonal quests, the ones with souljade+weapon things.

I've tried looking through my souljades for the ones named "thunderstorm" and nothing either.

[cursive kestrel]

Showdown doesn't have that

[raw magnet]

I think it gets unlocked when you level up Kurumi since she is the one with Katana

[peak finch]

Nope this souljade doesn't exist in showdown

Soul Slash gets unlocked at level 2

[raw magnet]

ooh ok 😊

[marble ridge]

SO I have to find it in Survival? I mean I can probably do that. lol

Thank alot though. I am trynna do all the survival quests as suggested, to level up before the 12 days are up! 😛

litterly only missing season quests, and maybe like 5-6 weekly quests (mostly ones like revive/moonbane ect ect) I'm like a week and a half back into the game, at level 64. so I'm trynna workl fast xD

https://prnt.sc/mBkJ_PIqA_4j my only weekly quests left!

[crimson cave]

you can do all of it in bot mode its super easy there

[crimson cave]

anyone running doom?

[marble ridge]

only hard part (just tried it) is finding the dang souljade you need xD

[balmy coral]

I can complete my rares if I get lucky this week

I hope I get 2 more flux shards cos I gave up on bow for now

[round glacier]

Whats the max potential?

45?

[crimson cave]

lets play doom

[lone umbra]

got 2 flux jade this week now...
time to stockpile them

[summer ridge]

Hi

[amber terrace]

[half whale]

So here the thing if i recast the souljade and didn't get the rare Attribute i want and i recast that rare Attribute , do i still get chance to get the rare Attribute again?

[hidden creek]

if it's the only rare on that jade, yes

@fierce light what's ur attack on finished FS

[cursive fable]

@hidden creek should be 650 ish

[hidden creek]

650?

that high?

[cursive fable]

ye

ya im at 616 missing 6.6% till max

[hidden creek]

doesn't sounds right

i'm missing 6% attack and i'm at 607

6% attk on jade make it went 650? 🤔 this doesn't sounds right

[cursive fable]

did you include mod?

[hidden creek]

yea finished FS

4 mods 8 windfalls

[cursive fable]

niceee

you had frags/crystal saved up from previous season?

[hidden creek]

eh no i mean i want to know how much attk you got from a maxed FS which is 4m8w with all 4% attk and 30% ice blast

lv 100 and potential included

cuz rn i got 125% mod, i got 1 mod 2 wf and ice blast dmg on my chain crush, so i'm missing 6% attack
i could roll that exceeded 1 mod into attack and make the build finished
but i kinda wanna keep the jade being 1 mod 2 wf for builds varieties

[cursive fable]

before june 9th, rerolling value was so easy

[hidden creek]

just wondering what's the dmg lost from missing that 6% attk

[cursive fable]

35th pity to guarantee max stat

now thats its taken away, no wonder im like 50 rolls in, and my attack 3.1 went to 3.7% on one of my jade

[lone umbra]

Shouldn't you roll extra mod?? Unless it takes away one mode from other ice build?

[hidden creek]

that's why i'm thinking about keeping it lmao

for builds varieties

[lone umbra]

i got 5 mod on ILC and old lotus, my destroyed poison gave me mods and mods

[hidden creek]

ye that's what i'm afraid of
cuz trying to perfect a build might cost you alot of flux

and in the end it might ended up not worth it

cuz you can always stock these fluxes

[lone umbra]

my FS got 4mod 8 windfall but ILC and lotus missing one windfall
so I am thinking if i should perfect it or not

as i m not competing for top 10

it doesnt matter

[hidden creek]

yea exactly

like if you can get to 95% power of a build and you could potentially save alot of fluxes

that looks like a good deal

[lone umbra]

am around 91% of max build

[crimson cave]

did any build ever use scorching at all

[lone umbra]

i belieave not these days

[crimson cave]

yamas jade gave me scorch rip

but I got free windall 50% from recasting today too

so it neutrals up i guess

[hidden creek]

2nd rare is what matters

[crimson cave]

bow build only need 1 rare tho?

5 windfalls

[hidden creek]

well bow is the exception

you won't use flux while building bow anyway

[lone umbra]

I m stock piling flux shards/flux jade now

is it me or boss spawning is messed up in topaz trios?

[hidden creek]

sometimes yeah

😂🤣

not even trio

[summer ridge]

Hi

[balmy coral]

Topaz it rarely gets messed up unless u kiill too many camps but trios it's messy.

[lone umbra]

I play trio to have 3k yin yang synergy luck

[balmy coral]

You'd be roaming the whole map in trios

[river stratus]

% are different trio and solo enigma

[lone umbra]

I don't think it is that much different

[lone umbra]

It is annoying in shadowjade mine map

Other 2 are fine though

[balmy coral]

Ye I hate that map even in soloss

[amber terrace]

lmao, enigma topaz

[crimson copper]

anyone tried Astral 3? Im max lvl (5 lvls above recommended) and it feels impossibly difficult compared to anything before

[hidden creek]

level is just one thing

if your build is bad or you don't know how to fight the boss aka skill issue you will have problem

[balmy coral]

who is astral 3 boss?

[hidden creek]

huanyue

doggo

[crimson copper]

it huanyue... i beat her on hard on holoroth but her stats and time seem crazy in abyss

[balmy coral]

Ye she's shit

[balmy coral]

Learn her skillset and moveset.

[fierce light]

• +40 from Showdown Level
• +8 from Seasonal Challenges

[fierce light]

637 iirc. Storm knocked my power out

[hidden creek]

hmm

ic thanks

[crimson copper]

That's irrelevant when a single ability takes 100% of armor + 50% of health and even when I am constantly on her parrying and defusing the timer just runs out

Not to forget poison that she procs + freeze

[hidden creek]

if you want to keep thinking that it's impossible sure you do you

people are able to clear it under 30s

so let that sink in

[crimson copper]

Yeah idc about what people do

It's not paragon 100 it's astral 3

[hidden creek]

yep, and it's easy

[crimson copper]

Sure

[fierce light]

Yeah mainly gotta learn her skill set. Her level in Astral 3 is higher than Nightscream.

[crimson copper]

Main point is the jump from astral 2 to 3 is higher than bronze 1 to astral 2

Idc about minmaxxing my build and playing it 10000% perfectly. I wouldn't care if the timer was higher either

Everything up to that point is perfectly doable then this boss just becomes thanos

[fierce light]

Yeah should be ~637.
372 ×
-# Base Attack @ Lv. 100
(1 + 12% + 15% + 4.5% +
-# Attack Bonus from Hero Level, Souljades and Potential.
4% × (6 + 50% × 8) ) =
-# Attack Bonus from Attributes
637.98
The game rounds down the displayed value.

[hidden creek]

so 6% attack equals 30 attack on this build

eh

i'll just gonna roll the mod to attack then

[fierce light]

About 22.32

[hidden creek]

that way i got a finished FS and 1 wf away from a finished ILC

[fierce light]

Just multiply 372 times whatever attack bonus %

I got kinda lucky that the jades with conflicting rares weren't shared

[hidden creek]

ye

big issue when you're trying to get 2 builds that share some jades

i got kinda lucky this season with flux imbue also

only 1 scorching so far

in before that one last windfall gonna take me like 10 fluxes lmao

[fierce light]

Noice

[crimson copper]

link

[fierce light]

If we had better Attribute options, we could probably make more cheap builds.

[hidden creek]

?

just go check leaderboard lol

[crimson copper]

idc about leaderboard i wanna see it played

[fierce light]

I only managed 38s so far, but I reckon sub-30s is possible.

[crimson copper]

send douyin link or sm

[hidden creek]

then go look for it yourself

lol

''idc about leaderboard'' lmfao

[crimson copper]

nah im good

[fierce light]

Aegis-DMG is king for this stage

[crimson copper]

just say u cant find it its k

[hidden creek]

why should i find it for you lmao

[crimson copper]

its k i aint asking for it anymore

[hidden creek]

you want gameplay go look for it yourself, who tf you think you are sitting there pointing fingers?

😂

[crimson copper]

idk, ur the one harassing random people on this thread

or chat w/e its called

[hidden creek]

harassing?

you go in here, saying you find astral 3 impossible while i cleared it 1st try, and there's literally thousands people cleared it

[crimson copper]

i didnt say impossible

i said impossibly difficult compared to previous ones

learn to read

[hidden creek]

how about you learn to play? 😂

[crimson copper]

obviously its possible and easy with the right build

pisslow ahh

mad?

[hidden creek]

then when i told you to work on your build and your gameplay you say you don't care?

[crimson copper]

shh im done with you, you clearly do not understand basic stuff

its k

[fierce light]

Got 28s on Trios

[hidden creek]

😂 👌 i'm mad at someone who find astral 3 ''impossibly difficult'' while i cleared it first try?

[crimson copper]

yes

[fierce light]

Completing Astral 3 will give you the Paragon rank, so I think it's fair for it to be difficult.

[crimson copper]

i dont mind difficult

i mind needing a specific build or timer runs out

didnt have problem with paragon last season

and i wasnt even overlevelled or had specific tailor made build

and i got showdown onetricks over here saying it's "easy" like those cheese broken reddit builds for elden ring saying the game is "easy"

[hidden creek]

ah yeah anything but your gameplay 💀
the boss is so hard, her stats are too high, the omens are hard, i don't have the build, the timer is too short, must be the game's fault not because i sucks at it 💀

[crimson copper]

ur shit at this game btw

😄

and mad at it as well

xD

[hidden creek]

bro you're stuck astral 3 you don't get to tell anyone that they sucks 💀

[fierce light]

Wouldn't call it cheesing, just using a build that's synergistic with your hero.

[crimson copper]

see, dark zero guy is chill

ur just mad

[hidden creek]

he's ur father or sum? 💀

want some head pats?

[crimson copper]

?

[crimson copper]

not the one who's mad here

[hidden creek]

there there, good job, want some ice cream? want daddy take you to disneyland?

[crimson copper]

some other dude's fatherless here and it shows

😄

[hidden creek]

having a son like you only bring disappoinment

[crimson copper]

how would you know? asked your absent father?

[fierce light]

This person cleared it with a +12 [Scorching] build.

[crimson copper]

yeah idk what all these things are, i just hit things until they die in this mode i never read even souljades

boring

[fierce light]

Kurumi's and Wuchen's clearing with Poison builds

Bow Users with Bow builds, etc.

Mainly just comes down to using a synergistic build that compliments the heroes' abilities.

[crimson copper]

can i see somewhere the boss weaknesses or smthing

elemental or w/e

site or in-game

[fierce light]

There's no specific weaknesses

But mainly if you can break her Aegis to interrupt her Ultimate, you can cut a lot of time.

[bold ice]

Isn't it a bit silly then to talk about difficulty if you didn't bother to read what a build does?

[crimson cave]

there was a video guiude but its in vietnamese i thinkj

[fierce light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW-qVQ3MQrY
-# I recommend turning on auto-translate for CC.

[hidden creek]

lmao i saw someone going with poison bow build

[bold ice]

Should I keep trying to roll my 3.6/3.7 atk and 29.7 ice blast to max, or just give in and get a bow build

[crimson copper]

idk, everything so far is easily doable, including previous seasons so i never bothered to minmax. i couldnt care less about random buffs in jades that give % dmg buffs or w/e. i wanna fight a boss that's made to be learned and beaten not have to resort to cheesing with broken builds to not even bother playing

[bold ice]

You kinda have to when you have a time limit though

[crimson copper]

and no i dont think bloating hp and dmg is what makes difficulty good

[bold ice]

I agree

But that's just how this mode is

[fierce light]

Just did it on a mismashed poison build with Wuchen on Cloud Gaming

[crimson copper]

im not even shitting on this boss in particular even tho i think its a bit overwhelming

[bold ice]

Nah coming from souls/elden ring to this is a downgrade one can't even imagine

The idea is very cool but core mechanics just don't fit this style

[fierce light]

If only the mushrooms applied Toxified instead of Corruption. Then Element Surge could activate.

[hidden creek]

huh i think it's toxified

i remember using infectious touch to get rid of it

[bold ice]

Wasn't shrooms toxified and jellyfish corruption?

[fierce light]

Yeah it does, I guess it's cause it doesn't fill the actual meter.

But pretty sure it works off the corruption from the green ghosts too

[hidden creek]

welp

idc about poison anymore anyway
6 months are more than enough

[fierce light]

Yeah it mentions the meter filling.

Unfortunate, another advantage Ice has over it.

[hidden creek]

FS justina kinda build bad habits tho

[fierce light]

If only defusing the freeze wasn't so inconsistent on Xbox

[hidden creek]

not exactly bad habits but after playing FS justina for awhile when you try other characters again it feels so...

idk, lackluster?

like bro who even walk these days

[fierce light]

Yeah they proc Ice Blast so slow in comparison haha

[bold ice]

Justina just is so fast

Both with normal attacks and F

Cause she doesn't have phoenix blast

[hidden creek]

ye imagine need 1 skill and 1 charge attack for ice blast ppftt

[fierce light]

Her Charged Attacks are about as fast as Viper Ning's with Phoenix Blast

Has a lot of end-lag

[fierce light]

I'm glad Element Surge at least makes up for that extra Accumulation we'd normally get from Lotus.

So when Curios come back out, Feria will be able to proc with just her Skill

[hidden creek]

but her ult is still useless

💀

[fierce light]

Yeah

[hidden creek]

so picking her in TI is still trolling

[fierce light]

Might get a dedicated Curio that fixes that

[hidden creek]

oh yeah

but if her dedicated curio is for her F

[bold ice]

Then maybe she won't need ult to be godlike

[fierce light]

Well you can get away with a bad Ultimate. Skill not so much.

👀 looks at Wuchen

[bold ice]

Better to have a good F you can just spam every element proc than an ult, even if you can farm rage back up quickly as you do in inferno

[hidden creek]

if only they increase wuchen skill dmg so it's on par with let's say viper

[bold ice]

If only they buff viper..

[hidden creek]

ye viper is in a weird state rn

she's the og mod user

[bold ice]

Powercrept into oblivion

[fierce light]

Wuchen's Ultimate is actually pretty mediocre now too in comparison to the recently adjusted ones.

Yoto's and Valda's hit 3x as hard. Yueshan and Tianhai are nearly unkillable and have high DPS. Justina's freaking scales off Ice-Wielding and Ice Blast DMG, etc.

Viper's Ultimate probably doesn't even do the most Aegis-DMG anymore.

[bold ice]

Wouldn't vipers ult be powercrept by wuchens?

[fierce light]

Yeah, to a degree.

[bold ice]

Wuchens also softstuns

[fierce light]

He gets some of his Rage back from the Ult and final 2 hits stun. But they also move the boss which can be good or bad.

[hidden creek]

did yueshan skill's element accumulation gets nerfed?

[balmy coral]

u won't learn anything from them. they have perfect builds

Learn her moveset and skillset since she's def gonna be in paragon.

[amber terrace]

that my slave

[fierce light]

Don't think so, should still be Skill + Stage 1 Vertical.

[bold ice]

Nah that's pointless now, better wait until she's actually there and learn what she does as eerie

[fierce light]

Mine as well max it before moving on if that's all you need.

[bold ice]

Yeah already have all the rares

Just missing max 1 or 2 ice blast and 2 or 3 attacks

[fierce light]

Don't have on Element Surge/Tundra Might

[hidden creek]

wdym

[balmy coral]

She's the new boss lol

[fierce light]

That's half of Ice build's accumulation value

[balmy coral]

Even if she's not gonna be in paragon 20 she would be inserted somewhere there

[bold ice]

Yes I mean she is surely going to come later

But also as eerie

And then moves change

[hidden creek]

even if i equipped tundra + szs combo it still couldn't proc ice blast with 1 skill 1 charge

[fierce light]

Still good to get a general idea of her moveset.

[fierce light]

Oh right, it's just short with Tundra Might

[hidden creek]

ye

[bold ice]

Yeah u get a general idea in like 5 tries tho

[hidden creek]

45% elem accumulation rate increase is not enough

you need 50%

[fierce light]

Like 0.7% short lol

But it will work with Element Surge

[hidden creek]

ye

cuz element surge is 50%

[fierce light]

12 + 6.14 = 18.14
-# Skill + Stage 1 Vertical Accumulation Value
1.5 × 1.45 = 2.175
-# Frost Douse + Tundra Might Accumulation Multiplier
1.5 × 1.5 = 2.25
-# Frost Douse + Element Surge Accumulation Multiplier
39.7
-# Accumulation Threshold for Bosses

18.14 × 2.175 = ~39.45 < 39.7

18.14 × 2.25 = ~40.8 > 39.7

Normally, you'd have Lotus Impacts to help with that last 0.25 for Tundra Might.

[hidden creek]

i vaguely remember they did nerf yueshan F damage

[fierce light]

If they did, it wouldn't work with Element Surge either

[hidden creek]

yea u right

i went through previous patch notes

0 changes for yueshan F from the moment they buffed it

[amber terrace]

new sv test tomorrow?

for Yoto Hime

[crimson cave]

is 2 golden keys per ruins a normal drop?

[hidden creek]

definitely not lmao

[crimson cave]

took al my golden jades slots

lol

[fierce light]

You'd know better than me

[fierce light]

I think up to 3 is possible, but certainly not common.

[amber terrace]

what

[crimson cave]

i see

[hidden creek]

sorry i still don't understand ur dmg multiplier equation 🥹

let's say you wanna calculate how much damage a gs charge does then how do you do it

like

Attack * (1 + Attack Bonus) * (1 + DMG Bonus) * (1 + External Buffs)

[fierce light]

No idea on when the test servers start

[hidden creek]

attack is the 120 attack we get from lv 100?

[amber terrace]

oh, maybe tomorrow

[hidden creek]

attack bonus is attack % from all sources? (character level, potential, soul jades...)

dmg bonus include what

like can you put the number into the equation for me?

🥹

[fierce light]

Yes and no.

The 120 Attack from Lv. 100 is a part of it. We also get 120 Attack from Blue Weapon or 140 Attack from Purple Weapon. There's also an additional 112 Attack the game gives us for free with the change from Sense Levels to Showdown Levels (likely to match the 112 Attack we got from Sense Level 1120 the Season before).

[hidden creek]

so 120 + 140 + 112

[fierce light]

This formula is also missing the DMG Multiplier of the Attack (they call it DMG Coefficient in the patch notes). Outside of Free Training, there's also a Level Suppression multiplier which complicates things.

So it's like this:

Attack *
(1 + Attack Bonus) *
DMG Multiplier *
(1 + DMG Bonus) *
(1 + External Buffs) *
Level Suppression

[fierce light]

Yup, at Hero Level 20, Showdown Level 100, we have a (Base) Attack of 372.

[hidden creek]

I dont understand what's the 1 represent

[fierce light]

Without the 1 +, it wouldn't be a Bonus anymore, but rather a multiplier.

For example, +20% Attack from Backfire would become x0.2 Attack.

[hidden creek]

Huh i always thought they ARE multipliers

[fierce light]

Greatsword's Stage 1 Horizontal attack has a DMG Multiplier of 7.04.

With an empty Potential Tree, no Souljades equipped, at Hero Level 20 and Showdown Level 100, you could expect to hit for ~2933 in Free Training.

372 *
-# Attack * = 140 + 112 + (80 + 40)
(1 + 12%) *
-# (1 + Attack Bonus) * ; +12% from Hero Level 20
7.04 *
-# DMG Multiplier * ; Greatsword's Stage 1 Horizontal DMG Multiplier
(1 + 0) *
-# (1 + DMG Bonus) * ; no DMG Bonuses equipped, such as Desperation's +20%
(1 + 0) *
-# (1 + External Buffs) * ; no external buffs active, like Kurumi's Healing Prayer
1
-# Level Suppression = 1 in Free Training since it is inactive.

= ~2933
-# Expected DMG output.

[quaint girder]

@raw magnet did you complete all the regular story missions?

[raw magnet]

no I havent. I dont have any Showdown buddy to carry me yet XD

i might not have done any of the hard lvls of these story mode

like nightscream and all

[amber terrace]

wow

mod + staff in this chat

[raw magnet]

just got to solo with solo Niritti

[quaint girder]

Let's play then later today if you're free

[raw magnet]

im free..ping me when you are in game

[quaint girder]

Who staff?

[quaint girder]

Okay, I'm in the office until late today :<

[fierce light]

They're on SEA, so connection might be rough

[raw magnet]

im apprentice bro

[hidden creek]

ah so it could be written as 372 + (12%372) + (372*0) + (372*0) *7.04 right

[amber terrace]

how can i trust that

[raw magnet]

[fierce light]

Yeah, the 1 simplifies it.

[hidden creek]

i see

[amber terrace]

wishing they can add use multi for this item

[fierce light]

Sorta like the average crit dmg formula:
(1 - Crit Rate) * 1 + Crit Rate * Crit DMG
=
1 + Crit Rate * (Crit DMG - 1)

[hidden creek]

so on every stats that is a percentage use the 1 to represent the base attack itself

[fierce light]

Yup.

[hidden creek]

do you have a list of what is considered dmg bonus on the equation

you said before that elemental dmg and dmg to boss are 2 of them

[oblique monolith]

Nirriti ruins hard or nightscream anybody Na

[fierce light]

DMG Bonuses

Health % (w/ Blazing Flame)
Charged Attack DMG
Uncharged Attack DMG
DMG to Bosses
DMG to non-Bosses
Melee Weapon DMG Bonus
Ranged Weapon DMG Bonus (excluding from the Potential Tree)
Weapon DMG Bonus (from Yang Curio)
Skill DMG Bonus (from Yang Curio)
Ice Blast DMG
Divine Thunder DMG
Poison Blast DMG
DMG Increase (from Desperation & Outrage)

[hidden creek]

thank youuuuuuuu

[fierce light]

Actually, let me exclude Astral Aegis DMG Bonuses, since that has a different, albeit simpler formula.

[hidden creek]

so everything that are dmg bonus we just add them together cuz they're on the same dmg multiplier layer?

[fierce light]

Yup

[hidden creek]

ok that cleared it for me now

thank you again

[fierce light]

You're welcome

[hidden creek]

weird that ranged weapon dmg on jade and on potential are on 2 different multipliers tho

[fierce light]

Yeah they like to make the potential a little funky sometimes. Like Aroma Aura being an Attack multiplier last season.

Ranged Weapon DMG from the Potential is an Attack Bonus instead.

[hidden creek]

bruh it's that inconsistent?
w/o actual testing there's no way anyone would know

[fierce light]

Yup, they can be bad at labeling.

Ambigious translations probably.

[hidden creek]

the translation doesn't helps either

yeah

[fierce light]

Aegis-Break Rage is a separate multiplier as well

Then there's Elemental Accumulation....

Some are additive (Solidification, Defuse - Solidification, etc) while others are multiplicative (Tundra Might, Element Surge, etc).

[hidden creek]

bro

😂

literally

what the fuck

[fierce light]

Poison feels really good with that one Omen boosting accumulation in Yama's cause it's multiplicative.

Although, I think they replaced it with that one from Tempered Inferno.

Haven't even tested that one yet.

[quaint girder]

Solo'd it with ILC Zippy. 1st Form is much harder for me than second since it was harder to read for Defuse Chains and my ulti wasn't up. Once second form came, I used ulti to tank and brute forced my way through to clear.

[hidden creek]

now i see why you didn't include the dmg multiplier of the attack itself when calculating
cuz the main point of the equation is to see diminishing returns so we can adjust our stats, and we can't change the dmg mutiplier of the attack itself anyway, it's a fixed value layer

[crimson copper]

thanks, I beat her but it wasn't any gratifying, just glad it's over

[fierce light]

Yeah feels like they gave the 2nd form better telegraphs. Can instinctively dodge its attacks while you have to pay close attention to 1st form's.

[fierce light]

Yeah. Much more readable too imo.

[quaint girder]

Took me 3 tries. I couldn't brute force with FS Justina. I died too quickly and I'm not skilled so I just used good old Zippy.

Don't feel too bad, Hanyue is kind of an arsehole.

2nd Form is much better, but 1st form is very hard to read because she has a lot of baits. You can't quickly combo, have to actually stop for a moment to check if she's going into a counterattack stance.

[fierce light]

Honestly that triple dash tech made it easier. The extra Aegis DMG allowed me to down her in time to cancel the ult

[quaint girder]

Also 1st form has like 2 different non-defusable AoEs. Almost as frustrating as metal form Manticore.

[quaint girder]

Skill issue on my end then

[crimson copper]

first form feels like elden ring "ha gotcha"

[fierce light]

You could also probably remove Aegis-Break Rage and go for the extra Aegis DMG on the blue path.

If you're not meeting the threshold on Justina

[quaint girder]

Indeed

[hidden creek]

also even with this, on ranged build, dmg to boss is still prio?
if dmg to boss, jade ranged weapon dmg and desperation is on the same layer (dmg bonus) while potential ranged weapon dmg and attack is on another layer (attack bonus), isn't it looks like dmg bonus got worse diminishing return?

[fierce light]

You get a lot of Attack from the jades themselves so it sorta balances out

[quaint girder]

The raw Attack+ effects on the jades right?

not the substat Attack+

[hidden creek]

ah yeah forgot we got 58% attack bonus from jades alone

[fierce light]

This from some earlier calcs I did:

There's not enough Diminishing Returns to replace one with the other

[quaint girder]

nice

I like how we keep critically analyzing Deadeye Bow but can't find any faults

we have basically perfected it

Now Musket...rip Musket

Musket looks like it leans into Elemental DMG for DPS if not using Deadsky.

[fierce light]

Musket seems to have a bit of variability

But I definitely think it's worth to put on an Elemental Shot now for the Deadeye generation alone

It also increases the DPS of your spam shots quite a bit, making it viable for mobbing

[hidden creek]

musket doesn't feels good to play for me
smol pp hitbox

[quaint girder]

CN is cooking with DT builds

[fierce light]

Hitbox needs a fix bad

[quaint girder]

especially with that Chain Crush swap

[hidden creek]

i like bow

explosions

[quaint girder]

Probably Toxin Deadsky is best for bossing/headshot skill damage.

[fierce light]

I tried Bow in Immovable. Felt terrible

[quaint girder]

Dark, do you have the formulas for DT damage?

[fierce light]

But I can imagine it being better in Tempered Inferno where they're usually not blitzing past you.

[quaint girder]

Was thinking about 6x DT DMG on a ThunderEye build

[hidden creek]

can't wait to try bow as 2nd person bossing on peak

[fierce light]

That I'll have to parse to figure out the base spread of damage. I don't think I'll have to frame count, but it's more so finding the number of shots needed to trigger it, etc.

[quaint girder]

Something like this for Core:

• Thundershot
• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Elemental Surge

[fierce light]

Hopefully my build is complete by the time it releases

[fierce light]

I have the dmg multipliers of the stuff though

[quaint girder]

With 6x Attack, 6x DT DMG, 6x Ranged Weapon Damage.

I'm not sure what to put for the last two

Thunder Surge gives consistent DT stream, but kind of sucks for mobility since you become a literal DT turret.

TChain is good for that melee tech in CN, but it's kinda clunky like Pestilent Pool Musket I cooked before.

[fierce light]

Shoulder Shot: 2.95x
Aim (Shot): 5.60x
Skyrender Shot: 14.00x
Musket Counterstrike: 8.6x
Musket Counterstrike (Thunder Smash): 17.2x
Thunder Charge Counter: 3.5x

[quaint girder]

Actually

This damage may be comparable to Void Destroyer, but the issue is it's a single headshot instead of the 3x Volley

[fierce light]

6x Attack, 6x DMG to Bosses, 6x DT DMG is likely core.

I'll have to see how hard I'm hitting at max Bow build, cause those headshots looked like they were hitting a lot harder than they should've been

Ik there's Scarlet Guanyin, but their single headshots are hitting harder than one of my full Void Destroyers (I'm doing like 50k per volley on headshots, but they're doing 160k+)

[quaint girder]

I'm convinced Scarlet isn't enough anymore, even with the maxed Deadsky build I have.

[fierce light]

You maxed it?

[quaint girder]

Deadsky gives really good/sweaty burst if you can land every single headshot.

[quaint girder]

Oh nonono, in theory a maxed build that I cooked

[fierce light]

I'll have to test and see if Skyrender has a higher base multiplier for headshots or something.

[quaint girder]

I think it was

• Toxin Surge
• Backfire
• Desperation
• Shattered
• Scarlet
• Toxic Shot

[fierce light]

I could probably calc the damage spread of Musket during Thunder Surge rn

[quaint girder]

Came out to 53k Headshot per hit on Aegis Break. I didn't have the mechanical skill to do the Skyshots which bypass reload times.

This build uses the Bow Deadeye Potential as well

with the Attack + and DMG to Boss +

Thunder was hard for me to calculate since training doesn't let me apply substats

So DT damage was missing

[fierce light]

How much does Element Afterglow give again

[quaint girder]

and that's a big 180%+ DT DMG missing during training

[quaint girder]

12% iirc

I'm pretty sure you'd take Afterglow/Fury with DT builds

[hidden creek]

also @fierce light forest peril chests gives 1 souljade gift each chest, and you can get like 0 actual jades from them

[fierce light]

The DT DMG

[fierce light]

Lol what

[hidden creek]

yea

[quaint girder]

????

why would 24E do this

[hidden creek]

did it once, opened 5 chests then leave, i get 4 small jade fragments

💀

the same with DITD

[quaint girder]

forgor

have to look at patch notes

Potential [Element Afterglow] gains 20% Divine Thunder damage bonus.

So 20% plus

so that's like 200% DT Bonus damage from potentials and SJ substats

which is a lot

with Afterglow/Fury, I'm thinking ThunderEye Musket actually might deal more damage than raw damage Backfire/Desp

[quaint girder]

For last two jades its either Desperation/Backfire OR Thunder Charge/TProof

TCharge if DT damage/Thunder Crush makes up most of the ThunderEye DPS and you need the consistent DTs.

Desperation/Backfire if the raw headshots are similar to DMG to the consistent DTs

I think this is where I'm stuck, it's comparing the DMG boost from DT DMG+ applied to TCharge as well as Thunder Crush to Desperation/Backfire DMG applied to everything: headshots, DTs, AND Thunder Crush.

[fierce light]

Dang I thought I listed the buffs somewhere

So 55% from Element Surge & 20% from Afterglow

[quaint girder]

It's not easy to test in training

[quaint girder]

yes

plus 180% from substats

you're at a whopping 255% DT DMG+

if they're additive

[fierce light]

Ima just do a comparison between Musket Counterstrike and TC for now

In practice it'll favor Ranged DMG, but just looking at the the surge state for now

[quaint girder]

Yeah that's my thought process too due to practice and general skill

I feel like I'm limited to pilot and truly push the limits

due to my skill issue AND playing on controller

[lone umbra]

So not worth it??

[hidden creek]

absolutely not lol

[quaint girder]

But I was cooking, if someone was truly skilled and could actually pilot both TCharge AND Deadsky then we could more reliably figure out which does more damage

[lone umbra]

[fierce light]

I'm going to assume 50% body shots and 50% weakpoint shots

[lone umbra]

Though drops at enigma seems okay got like 150 fragments in 12 matches(3 match gold key runs)

[quaint girder]

Agreed, I would love to test 100% headshots, but in practice unless someone is a truly cracked robot and never experiences ghost bullets, then it's never gonna happen in practice

[hidden creek]

well topaz drop rate was always just abit worse compare to peak

[fierce light]

Here's the stat line for:

• x6 Attack
• x6 DMG to Bosses
• x6 Ranged Weapon DMG
• x6 Divine Thunder DMG

Assumes Element Fury and Afterglow are active as well.

[quaint girder]

Wow

Ranged DMG and DMG to Bosses get sacked badly

in this build

unironically, it's pushing towards a double Windfall

which is hilarious... not only is ThunderEye difficult to pilot, but its potentially on par in enhancement costs as a regular melee build.

Also

Does health matter? It gives bonus to burn afair, but you can't proc burn with Musket right?

[fierce light]

With those stats I got this spread:
-# None of these are frame counted, so I don't have a DPS number.

Just doing:

• x1 Thunder (Charge) Counter
• x1 Musket Counterstrike

Funny enough Attack isn't favored very much so Ima test with 3 Windfalls replacing Attack.

[fierce light]

Yeah no way to activate Burn in this build. Reasonably.

[quaint girder]

Interesting. This is just comparing the DT Bolt that you redirect to enemy and the followup musket bullet after countering right?

[fierce light]

Total Damage increased from 34,461 to 35,843 from replacing x3 Attack with x3 Windfalls.

Total Damage increased again from replacing last x3 Attack with x3 Windfalls.

So it's at:

• x6 DMG to Bosses
• x6 Ranged Weapon DMG
• x6 Divine Thunder DMG
• x6 [Windfall]

Oh wait, i forgot to include the 50% Weakpoint Shots.

x6 [Windfall], x6 DMG to Bosses, x6 Ranged Weapon DMG, x6 Divine Thunder DMG

• Thunder Counter: 12,655 DMG
• Musket Counterstrike: 27,131 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots
• Skyrender Shot: 22,083 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots

x6 Attack, x6 DMG to Bosses, x6 Ranged Weapon DMG, x6 Divine Thunder DMG

• Thunder Counter: 11,327 DMG
• Musket Counterstrike: 26,026 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots
• Skyrender Shot: 21,184 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots

x3 [Windfall], x3 Attack, x6 DMG to Bosses, x6 Ranged Weapon DMG, x6 Divine Thunder DMG

• Thunder Counter: 12,086 DMG
• Musket Counterstrike: 26,727 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots
• Skyrender Shot: 21,754 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots

So yeah, it's looking like you want at least 6 Windfalls.

[quaint girder]

DT isn't dealing that much either

I thought the 255% would be big, but its much smaller than I thought

However.

[fierce light]

It's mainly because of Thunder Smash doubling the Counterstrike's damage

[quaint girder]

Are Musket Counterstrike + Skyrender separate? Like Skyrender's bonus doesn't apply to the CA?

[fierce light]

Yeah they're separate.

Skyrender Shot will cancel the instant you go for a parry.

[quaint girder]

hmm

okay so basically they're 3 separate attacks going consecutively after one another

[fierce light]

Hmm ima see with x6 Attack, x6 DMG to Bosses, x6 Ranged Weapon DMG and x6 [Windfall].

[quaint girder]

I mean if we do this, wouldn't it be better just to go raw Deadsky:

• Toxic Surge
• Toxic Shot
• Backfire
• Desperation
• Shattered Edge
• Scarlet Guanyin/Bolt Mastery/Quick Attack

[fierce light]

x6 [Windfall], x6 Attack. x6 DMG to Bosses, & x6 Ranged Weapon DMG

• Thunder Counter: 6,868 DMG
• Musket Counterstrike: 32,793 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots
• Skyrender Shot: 26,692 DMG
  -# 50% Body Shots, 50% Weakpoint Shots

[quaint girder]

Man we're getting into splitting hairs rn

bc

[fierce light]

I think this might be the play for:

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Thunderproof
• Element Surge
• Thunder Charge
• Thunder Shot

Especially when you include Thunder Shot's damage.

[quaint girder]

Those 3 shots in succession have to be compared to one raw Deadsky shot.

[quaint girder]

yeah

I feel like this is correct, but it's still not as good as Deadsky

might be like Tabbie's build where it's easier to pilot, but overall deals less damage than raw Deadsky

[fierce light]

Yeah definitely.

[quaint girder]

Ah man, thanks for the calculations Zero

fark DT bonuses are kind of underwhelming for Musket

DT seriously needs some help...it barely does anything compared to Ice Blast.

[fierce light]

Thunder Shot makes upkeeping Deadeye much easier, so Thunder Surge Musket loses some value there.

But the fact that the Counterstrikes will hit harder than Skyrender Shot and are easier to repeat makes it more beginner friendly.

There's also the added AoE factor.

[grave gate]

love showdown mode more

hands down

[fierce light]

Welcome to the mode 👋🏾

[quaint girder]

Nice to see a fellow PvE'er join us

[quaint girder]

Yeah, then this is the easier build for Musket similar to Tabbie's Ice Build for Bow

Think we can post it on your Showdown site along with Deadsky?

[fierce light]

It's already up

lol

I'll have to adjust the recommended attributes though

[quaint girder]

o nice

hmm

I wish we had someone who could pilot Deadsky in Yamas

with your Bow Deadeye

[fierce light]

Oh I didn't go for Element Fury on it

Gotta fix that too.

[quaint girder]

I think musket is pretty much "perfected"

[fierce light]

Wait wtf

I already have the right attributes on there.

[quaint girder]

eyyy lmao

[fierce light]

I thought I had Divine Thunder DMG listed

Oh that's for the Spring Thunder build

[quaint girder]

lol

Yeah I think Deadsky and Desperate Arrows have the highest theortical DPS for their respective weapons

I just wish we had a good Deadsky pilot

[fierce light]

They'll have to fix the hitbox issue

I think John would run it then

[quaint girder]

so we could compare their damage to yours when you use Desperate Arrows and see if they come out stronger

[quaint girder]

Those ghost bullets really screw up DPS a LOT

[fierce light]

Yeah nothing like half of your shots deciding to not exist.

[quaint girder]

Felt bro

I'm satisfied the Musket's completely explored, but disappointed at the state of musket

Literally where we're at rn

Musket puts in so much effort, and the damage isn't even that much greater than Bow

[hidden creek]

despite running nothing but topaz my crystal to fragment ratio keep getting worse

[fierce light]

It's cool they tried to take the Sniper approach.

The new Element Shots make it viable as a hip shot weapon against mobs.

Just needs hitbox fix.

[fierce light]

Felt, think I'm only going to run Topaz for first 600 fatigue though.

[hidden creek]

yea ig i'll get a gold key topaz pt from next week

need to get my bow build ready when peak comes

[quaint girder]

Saving all 260 keys I have for Peak next week

Gonna try hard to finish my builds with rares

I almost finished my 4Mod/8WF DT Lotus Chain Crush Matari build

Then I'll work on my actual serious Ice and Bow builds

[hidden creek]

lol you went for thunder first?

bold move

[fierce light]

Is it next week?

Friend said it was 3 weeks, but I didn't check since I wasn't host.

[hidden creek]

next next reset

[fierce light]

Okay, that should be enough time to finish Bow

[hidden creek]

10 jul

[fierce light]

As long as I get this last Windfall.

I think having at least 1 Deadeye build rate is going to be important for missions with intermittent combat.

[hidden creek]

so it's still likely to be yueshan/zip/tessa/justina?

[fierce light]

Justina is a must. Yueshan/Tianhai could be a good tank if someone's running Bow. Ziping is also helpful, they could be the dedicated mobber.

[limpid pecan]

i have a feeling this enigma peak will be a complete joke

probably justina can solo it xd

[hidden creek]

last time it's kind of a joke already
but i think they're shifting it back to a farming stage rather than some kind of achievement

[fierce light]

Only heroes I could see not being that good in there are Viper, Kurumi, & Yoto.

[hidden creek]

like topaz is equal to ruins hard and peak is equal to ruins nightscream or something

[fierce light]

Ruins Nightscream still need a slight bump to the drop rate or something.

[hidden creek]

i think they kept the bad drop rate on purpose

[fierce light]

I would rather them increase the fatigue cost tho tbh

[hidden creek]

don't want to gives us too many mats on first half of the season

[fierce light]

For both Peak and Nightscream Ruins

[hidden creek]

cuz second half everyone is running TI

[fierce light]

Yeah

They gotta tweak the Curio grind as well

[hidden creek]

first half people are excited cuz new stuffs so we tolerate bad drop rate and slow fatigue consumption
then second half most ppl got finished sj sets already so here comes the curio race

[quaint girder]

Bro, I've been working on my Matari build for 4 seasons now

I was never in it to rank (at least not yet) I was in it to cook

[fierce light]

Yeah it was clever to introduce it for 2nd half, but still with the current system it's likely to lock you down to 1-3 heroes depending on the rolls you get.

For those competing for Yama's at least. I kinda feel bad for CN players in that regard.

This time around, I'm spamming Random Craft till everything is at least Lv. 1. Felt terrible trying to do it with Lv. 4 Curios. Well after I get some of the old Curios Awakened for Yin-Yang Synergy.

[quaint girder]

I basically could only play Kurumi as I spent everything for her perfect stats

Honestly was the most fun I had, actually cleared Paragon 11 to 20 in one single streak

[fierce light]

I'm testing Tessa's Curio when it opens back up, if it works with Bow that'll be my 1st Yang Awakening. Otherwise, probably Bell or Mirror.

[void yew]

360 Frost Damage

[plush grail]

Bad RNG here i come !!

[fierce light]

Good luck.

[plush grail]

thanks I will need it !! this ice set is giving me pain on getting what i want

also whats the best way possible to get these to drop more? please tell me its not Nirriti ;-;

[fierce light]

They probably have it on this sheet if you can translate it. They haven't given us any info on the drop rates for it.

[plush grail]

i see

[quaint girder]

Nirrits and Enigma

Every week I burn all my fatigue on Enigma Topaz with Brown Keys. I usually get 1 or two of those Shrouded Jades.

[plush grail]

oh

That works too

[fierce light]

If the drop rate is the same for every mission, then probably Chapter Missions are your best bet since you can fit more runs in.

[wanton kite]

ID: 10995700090168
SEA LFP Nirriti's Ruins

[plush grail]

I'll have to test out Enigma then see what happens

i have 200+brown keys anyway should be fine

[quaint girder]

Don't expect high rates.

[plush grail]

I def yeah

it just beat doing Nirriti 24/7

[quaint girder]

2-0 per week usually with Browns. Rare Attribute drops are worse at 0-1 per week, usually 0

[plush grail]

i see i see

thanks

[quaint girder]

yer, Naraka in general is a game of patience, PvE is no different

just keep chugging along and keep in mind this is a 6 month marathon, not a 1 week sprint

[void yew]

Someone wrote me a PM, but I couldn't see who it was.

[wanton kite]

ID: 10995700090168
SEA LFP Nirriti's Ruins

[west crater]

Hello everyone, good afternoon. Does anyone know if there is a way to know exactly which jade is missing? My Narakapedia already shows that all the jades are complete and counting there are a total of 69 legendary jades... Or is it just not possible to get this achievement yet?

[fierce light]

It's not possible yet, have to wait till they add an extra Legendary Souljade.

[west crater]

oh sheesh man... Thanks Dark Zero

[cursive fable]

@fierce light hi dark

for my ice surge set, do you know how much damage im losing

since i have 2x boss damage (7.5% each one including mod) comparing that to 2 windfall

so its like 15% boss damage VS. 4% attack 30% ice blast damage

im losing hope/effort on the last 2 windfalls lol, currently 4 mod 6 windfall

[fierce light]

Current / Maxed

• Non-Ice Blast DMG: (+)12.49%
• Ice Blast DMG: (-)5.00%

Maxed / Current

• Non-Ice Blast DMG: (-)11.11%
• Ice Blast DMG: (+)5.26%

[cursive fable]

so its not too much of a big deal ?

seems like an okay ish tradeoff

what does soft pity means

[fierce light]

Average amount of Recasts for a Rare to appear.

[fierce light]

With a damage spread of:

• 25% Non-Ice Blast DMG
• 75% Ice Blast DMG
  you're dealing 3.95% less overall DPS.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light ty so much!

so each windfall is around 2% more DPS than boss damage affix

its not a lot much but itsnot negligble either

[fierce light]

Yeah, just needs to be enough to pass certain thresholds and that can cut seconds off a clear time.

[plush grail]

Yeah i just went through about 148 recast and yeah this seems true honestly

good to know theres a pity system though s recasting doesnt feel hopeless

[cursive fable]

ya im at 3 mod 7 windfall

brutalll

[plush grail]

Huge

[cursive fable]

last 2 always the hardest

i also did a 150 ish roll lastnight

[plush grail]

I rolled my first windfall for ice set

got a mod too

3 more mod and 7 windfall to do now lol

[cursive fable]

nice, the first 6 are not too bad

since you can keep rerolling

[amber terrace]

[plush grail]

yeah 7 & 8 are death

its why i stopped on my poison set months ago xD

[fierce light]

Poison Set is pretty cheap too.

It actually wants some DMG to Boss since Toxin Blast isn't considered Poison Blast DMG.

[plush grail]

its not lol?

[cursive fable]

can we pick 3x justina in peak?

@fierce light i think no duplicate heros in peak?

what would be the best comp for peak

like justina/ziping +/kurumi

[turbid agate]

lol poison and toxin are considered two different elements

[fierce light]

Yeah, no duplicates.

[cursive fable]

@fierce light do people generally spam ice peak?

since everyones build right now is probably ice

[fierce light]

Yeah, Ice Blast does more damage there.

[cursive fable]

niceee

carrry me plzzz

on peak

haha

how many peak runs would you be doing on the opening week

like 40?

if you use fatigue pot, each run is 60 fatigue

[fierce light]

First 600 fatigue

[cursive fable]

niceee

[fierce light]

Going to run elixirs though, so probably 10

[cursive fable]

how many gold keys do you still have left

same, def need to use elxiir pots on peak

[fierce light]

88, not using any till it opens

[cursive fable]

i burnet like 40 of them yesterdya

in topazzz

t.t

still have 70 gold keys left tho

@fierce light first 600 fatigue in peak with triple gold key

i feel like we can get around 600 +jade fragments

[fierce light]

Yeah you can burn through them quick

You don't get much back

[cursive fable]

ye

typically the best jade person plays justina in peak?

peak without gold key isnt worth the effort imo

[fierce light]

Probably so

Don't think it'll be hard to complete if everyone is decently built

2 fails so far on this last Windfall for Bow build.

Thankfully it was on my weakest jade though, so now it has 2 maxed stats.

[cursive fable]

this feels insane

so at first 600 fatigue, 128.64 *1.5 = 193x4

we can get around 800 frags from the first 600 fatigue in peak?

@fierce light im strugging to get my 1st surge build done haha

ur on your 2nd set already!!!

[fierce light]

I had a headstart since half the jades were from old ice build.

[fierce light]

Where'd you get the x4 from?

128.64 * 1.5 = ~193

[cursive fable]

193 fragment from first 600 fatigue in peak feels off

i got around 380 jade fragments from first 600 fatigue in topaz yesterday(10 gold keys with elixir)

[fierce light]

That's just the average amount

it's the least amount you can expect before Luck kicks in.

[balmy coral]

mod again damnit

[plush grail]

RIP

[cursive fable]

@balmy coral u at 4mod 7 wf、

so close

[fierce light]

Damn it takes a while to farm fatigue from Enigma Trios

[cursive fable]

@fierce light ya i bought 13 fatigue pots yesterady

solo was much faster

[fickle linden]

did peak open?

[fierce light]

Enigma Peak opens <t:1752116400:R>.

[fickle linden]

oh i thought since you guys talked about peak

or enigma trios

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-gif-24718162

[sleek bronze]

I want to know what is mean 3 boss ? Just defeat 3 boss then die ?

[chrome seal]

Don't really have to die. Just exit game after killing 3bosses

[balmy coral]

next week reset

[viscid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/naraka-rock-yoto-gif-12241091053746795405

[lone umbra]

nah next next reset Jul 10

[proud sandal]

any clearing doom?

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

Tri-Elemental Bow

[strong kiln]

This is so damn satisfying, and the sound

I assume no way in hell this build is practically good right?

[fierce light]

It'll sacrifice some damage, but allow you to use your Skill quickly with a little Moderation.

[hidden creek]

isn't it you just imbue your jades with 3 elements

[fierce light]

Well you have to run:

Thunder Arrows + Element Surge (Ice-Wielding) instead.
-# -5% Attack, -25% Poison Blast DMG

3 Thunder-Wielding, 2 Ice-Wielding, 1 Poison-Wielding.

Potential stays the same though with Hydro's Bound.

[hidden creek]

i don't understand

[fierce light]

But also slotting in Moderation will cost some damage.

[hidden creek]

isn't it you can just run the ''normal'' backfire desperation build

but imbue your jades with 3 elements

one void destroyer gonna proc them all anyway

[fierce light]

Yes, but some will take multiple Void Destroyers to activate.

Honestly, the build isn't worth running anyway.

[quaint girder]

I love how you're still cooking bow

[hidden creek]

playing as justina feel so good my god

[limpid pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1175185005815803946.png?size=160&name=TessaGasm

btw u can hit 2 bosses with 1 crush

[hidden creek]

i know

if chain crush finished 1 boss then the next boss spawn will get hit by it too

unless it's the floating dude

[fierce light]

Yeah she's insane

But the Chain Crush having a lingering hitbox is amazing too

[limpid pecan]

its a thing with many other things too tbh

for example scorching was same

if u soaked enemy

and apply scorching

u would put it on both bosses

[fierce light]

Yup, cause of the little animation time for it.

[hidden creek]

other characters feels so slow for me now after too much of justina gameplay lmfao

[limpid pecan]

she's literally the coolest character in showdown

(pun intended)