👾┃showdown

[autumn badger]

you can join in like 1m

just stealing them for a clear

[fierce light]

Helping someone with doom rq

[dusky sparrow]

Or you could join for farm

You seem capable enpugh

[balmy coral]

I still have more than 1k fatigue to burn aahh

[dusky sparrow]

Join wifey and I in NA for NS WW?

[balmy coral]

I'm at work rn and from SEA

[fierce light]

Oh they left?

[dusky sparrow]

I just gottem bac

They were trying to be polite

[autumn badger]

just unlocking it lol

[drifting lance]

🎉 | QuadConjures leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[dusky sparrow]

Farm with us

[autumn badger]

I can drop if they want to join

[dusky sparrow]

You pull your weight

[dusky sparrow]

Qq it up

[summer ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-are-you-serious-kid-blinking-gif-15637790

It gave me scorching blaze

[dusky sparrow]

@fierce light the form 2 forced canton and running wolves move, how do we answer that?

[fierce light]

Canton?

[autumn badger]

the lion king move

[dusky sparrow]

Canyon sorry

[autumn badger]

p sure you just chain grappl it

[fierce light]

Ohh

[dusky sparrow]

Grapple onto what

[fierce light]

Just jump over them

Like jump rope

[dusky sparrow]

We still get caught somehow

I try

Wanna join?

[fierce light]

Timing is a little tight, but can space out your double jump

[dusky sparrow]

Quad left

[fierce light]

Sure

[dusky sparrow]

Pub que up

[fierce light]

Doesn't seem to be working lol

[dusky sparrow]

Yeah wtg

[autumn badger]

I was throwing

I need to learn the new moves first

[dusky sparrow]

Dm'ed you my id

Since it is giving us the finger

[dusky sparrow]

Wifey apologizes in advance she says for being carried so hard

[autumn badger]

lol

she was doing better than I was

[fierce light]

Weird, it wouldn't let me jump

[dusky sparrow]

She thanks you so much
Which build you using?

[autumn badger]

lol did you just destroy it that fast

[fierce light]

Bow build

[dusky sparrow]

You wanna run again or should I get her on the bow build in hopes of flooring it faster? XD

[fierce light]

Yeah it's fine

[dusky sparrow]

Bow is overly busted what the fusge

[autumn badger]

yeah

[fierce light]

I lost my Deadeye a couple times that last run

[dusky sparrow]

Am sorry T^T am trying to do better each run lol

[autumn badger]

she feels so wonky in lag, it was clean on hard but ns has weird lingering hitboxes on my end

[dusky sparrow]

Dark is flat out hyper carrying us.
I need to make that bow build too

[autumn badger]

yeah he's a certified TM gamer

[fierce light]

Really curious if it works with Tessa's Curio

[autumn badger]

@fierce light is that desperation tox or the ice one

[fierce light]

Poison-Wielding

[dusky sparrow]

@fierce light is that 100% mod?

Jfc

[fierce light]

Yeah

[dusky sparrow]

Is Tessa a AE spammed or just charge 2 vertical?

[fierce light]

Just charged attacks

[dusky sparrow]

Excellent

[fierce light]

Her Aegis-Break is really unsafe. Not much DPS either

[dusky sparrow]

Heard

[fierce light]

Lol how is she not dead

[autumn badger]

I would play her but I hate the halberds moveset

[dusky sparrow]

IDK I missed that third defuse x.x

All I had to do was live and it was free x.x

[vale inlet]

this sticker

lmfao

[dusky sparrow]

Is there a fun off meta bolt build with the new thunder chain?

[fickle linden]

what attributes does these bow builds use?

[vale inlet]

Is there a Valda?

[quaint girder]

No, it's mostly Yueshan and Akos

[vale inlet]

Dammit

[fickle linden]

can i create one without rare attributes

[quaint girder]

[fierce light]

Idk if there's any that are overly meta right now. You can use it with Musket or regularly, probably with Tianhai.

It's too clunky otherwise

[dusky sparrow]

So if I wanted to be a pleb making charged and lights to bolt, it just wouldn't compete eh?

[fierce light]

Oh wait

You mean Bolt as in the old Thunderbolts?

[vale inlet]

pain

[quaint girder]

Live Leiko Reaction:

[vale inlet]

DEAD ON

[cyan lodge]

Ice Lotus Chain,
Most universally strong build with no penalties. Recommended to make first.
Successive Ice Blast,
Frozen Blast,
Element Surge,
Frostbite Chain,
Elemental Lotus,
Ghastbloom

in this build can I change the frostbite chain to dipth blast?

[fierce light]

Yes, but it'll be a downgrade

[cyan lodge]

k ' I'll do original 1 but I want the potintial tree

what is the best

?

[fierce light]

Frostbite Chain -> Depths Blast
Positives

• +85% Ice Blast DMG (~19.5% increase in Ice Blast DPS)

• Depths Blast
• Volatile Freeze

• +12% Attack

• Element Fury

Negatives

• Freeze yourself.
• No Chain Crush

• Roughly 11.9% more Ice Blast DMG multiplier than Blossom Blast per Ice Blast.
• Activates an additional Ice Blast regardless of cooldown (if enemy survives).

[cyan lodge]

thank u brother ❤️

[fierce light]

It's in the pins

[timid stirrup]

Tabbie posted this the other day to avoid the move i think yall were trying to avoid

[autumn badger]

oh my god

[timid stirrup]

crazy hack

[autumn badger]

that is some monster hunter world jump emote kind of cheese

[cyan lodge]

I saw it , & I have 1 last Q , y we do not activate the volatile freez while we r playing with element surge?

[fierce light]

It doesn't activate without freezing yourself

[clever zenith]

@fierce light Frostbite Surge when it freeze the character for justina does she get no damage ?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Thabet leveled up!

[cyan lodge]

ahaa , k thank u very much for helping me I really appreciate it

[fierce light]

She can still be hurt

Just refreshes her skill

[clever zenith]

so go for the first build because this one gonna be nerfed ?

[fierce light]

If you're planning to main Justina, Frost Surge is for her. Everyone else though would like Ice Lotus Chain

[clever zenith]

what is the best way to farm souljade fragments ?

[fierce light]

Enigma Domain

[hidden creek]

dark what's the original cd of elemental blasts? 5 seconds?

[fierce light]

6s

[hidden creek]

hmm

nvm then

actually

i might be onto something here

🤣

[balmy coral]

[hidden creek]

sadly in training room i can't test 100% mod

to see if it really function as i expected

[fierce light]

Uh

No bonus accumulation for Ice

[sleek bronze]

Is the recomment ice set is the best set for this ss ?

[hidden creek]

yea gonna take an additional 1 stage charge attack to proc ice blast

[fierce light]

Still pretty sick

[hidden creek]

but get more chain crush

chain crush from DT parries and ice blasts are calculated seperately

[fierce light]

Yup

[hidden creek]

and with 1 chain crush = guarantee proc ice blast

stack up that thunderbar rly quick

[fierce light]

You'd probably want Ice Shatter on potential

[hidden creek]

for another 4 parries

[fierce light]

Since it has the highest multiplier

And yeah procs Ice Blast regardless of cooldown

[hidden creek]

the potential is still quite the same with ice surge

just prio taking blue chain crush and that's it

[hidden creek]

yeah sometime i get 2 chain crush back to back and it procs 2 ice blasts back to back

regadless of ice blast cd

and then the dmg is so high it fills my thunder bar immediately

damn i really wish i can get 100% mod on training room to test this

[fierce light]

I could see it being effective in Tempered

As long as you have some AoE attack to charge up Thunderpull

[hidden creek]

hmm nah fuck TI

i want to see it against single target

if

chain crush dmg is that good

[fierce light]

Could probably replace Frozen Blast with Element Surge Ice-Wielding

[hidden creek]

then this might have potential

[hidden creek]

yeah also trying it rn but can't rly test it w/o 100% mod

i realize i might not be needing frozen blast that much since ice blast proc from chain crush ignore elemental blast cd

but then there's also this

the counter attack also could replace that 1st charge

so i can proc ice blast with 1 skill + 1 2nd charge + 1 CA

[fierce light]

Wtf

Chain does enough damage to fully charge Thundershock too

[hidden creek]

ye

cuz 6 ice wielding

[shrewd basin]

Y’all just want to make nukes huh

[fierce light]

Wt

[hidden creek]

theorycrafting in a nutshell 🤣

[fierce light]

I just had 5 chains in a row

Even with me replacing Frozen Blast

I don't even understand how

Does it keep track of overflow..?

[hidden creek]

🤔 i don't know

[fierce light]

It felt like I was playing Thunder Surge with regular Thunder Counter lol

If the devs made it keep track of overflow, that's a big W

[clever zenith]

xd wtf

[hidden creek]

🤣

[fierce light]

Ima test it

Ima do 3 Thunder counters without the Counterstrike

Should be 12 instances of Divine Thunder

Lol you can have 2 symbols

[hidden creek]

yea

that's why i said it counts seperately

you can even proc 2 of them at the same time

[fierce light]

Hmm, it only let me do 3 in a row that time

Using this potential

[hidden creek]

yeah that's the potential

i think

we need to delay the CA

for the thunderbar cd

if you CA too fast it won't goes up cuz it's still on cd

[fierce light]

Ah let me test if a double stack does double damage

[hidden creek]

it does

[fierce light]

I think Thunderproof might be best an option

[hidden creek]

ye

[fierce light]

Yeah, Yoto's is just slow enough

[hidden creek]

yep

gs CA is slow

so it's just enough for that thunder bar to goes off cd

on other characters definitely need to delay the CA by using that dodge after parry

only if the next uncharged melee attack gonna proc chain crush tho

[fierce light]

Yeah actually element surge is useless

Too many chains to make use of it, aside from mod against mobs maybe

[hidden creek]

kinda need 100% mod to really see the difference between tproof and frozen blast

but i think tproof better

now the question is ''is chain crush dmg is that worth''

[hidden creek]

even include 15% attack from the jade, 12% attack and 25% ice blast dmg from potential?

[fierce light]

I'm trying to get the damage multiplier of Chain Crush with this build

But it's giving a weird number that doesn't match my previous ones

[hidden creek]

things feels so weird when even you said that it's weird

[fierce light]

Oh that's why

🤦🏾‍♂️ I took off element surge

Now the numbers are matching

So it doesn't quite double up, it looks like it does x1.8 when it's 2 charges

[balmy coral]

Finally maxed out level

Topaz drops are so worth it with elixir at the least

Can't wait for enigma

I bet I can do it solo

[dusky sparrow]

Anyone know how to forcefully turn aim assist off on ranged weapons? I have it supposedly disabled, but it KEEPS SNAPPING my aim

okay so in match ot displayed as on
Out of, strong

[hidden creek]

hmm, but you don't always get 2 charges tho

[dusky sparrow]

IT'S STILL SNAPPING

ugly cries in a corner

I would use keyboard and mouse on ps5 IF THEY WOULD JUST PUT THE KEY REMAPPING IIIIIN

But no. I am stuck on the peasant device T^T

[fierce light]

Yeah, it doesn't happen often, but just want to avoid it anyway if you can

So these Chain Crushes are using the proper multiplier for the Ice version (32.9x), so each one is hitting for:

• 4.8x the damage of a Successive Ice Blast
• 3.6x the damage of an Ice Thorn
• 16.8x the damage of a Blossom Blast

[hidden creek]

don't think it's better to avoid it since you want to stack them as quick as possible
still, 1.8 multiplier is not that bad compare to 2.0

[fierce light]

It's not really possible to avoid it really aside from using them as quick as possible

[hidden creek]

yeaa

[hidden creek]

so this means good or not hahaha

[fierce light]

Ah i didn't even include the extra damage from the guaranteed ice blast

[hidden creek]

sad that they doesn't keep the overflow stacks

[fierce light]

It looks really good

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

It's a bit clunky like Thunder Surge

[hidden creek]

ye

[fierce light]

But the payoff is huge

[hidden creek]

too many divine thunders to parry

[balmy coral]

If only I have more shrouded jades

I'm stuck with 3 attributes jades

[hidden creek]

jsut run bow bro

[balmy coral]

I don't have bow build

[hidden creek]

🤣

[fierce light]

Yeah 12-14s seems to be a sweet spot

[balmy coral]

These are all bow?

In Xbox it's all surge

[dusky sparrow]

@fierce light
Is there ANY WAY on controller to NOT GET the red dot on enemies that forces you to aim center mass on cpntroller?

[hidden creek]

emp 2 if you don't run bow on justina/tessa/temmy there's no way you gonna beat these timers

[dusky sparrow]

Controller

[fierce light]

Not that I know of

[dusky sparrow]

Mouse

[drifting lance]

🎉 | ixion5O#8990 leveled up!

[dusky sparrow]

I hate this

[fierce light]

I have to keep flicking in the direction of their head

To get headshots

Either that, or deal with the terrible sensitivity of not being aimed

[dusky sparrow]

why can't they just enable rebinds on console for keyboard already

[fierce light]

The fact you can't even chat mid-match is frustrating

I have a little keyboard attachment for my controller

But can barely use it

[fierce light]

I'm about to try it in Emp 2 with Tianhai. Bad stats, but it's something

[hidden creek]

💀

[fierce light]

If I get #1...

Xbox yall need to step it up

[turbid agate]

💀

[hidden creek]

this build is still benefits alot from mod

[fierce light]

Only got 25%

[hidden creek]

i rly want to see it in action with 100% mod

damn u 24e

why can't you just allow us to test rares in traning

[fierce light]

Boss wanna fly around man

Hmm weird

My chains aren't charging

Dang getting my Counter while he's transforming makes it not count

[hidden creek]

yeah cuz thunder chain jade require you to hit divine thunder not just countering it

oh then this also allow you to proc chain crush indefinitely if you hit divine thunder counter on multiple targets

if there's 2 targets then 4*2 = 8 already and you only need 6 to proc chain crush

wait this build might not even needing 100% mod

cuz chain crush proc ice blast regadless of ice blast cd

[fierce light]

Boss keeps flying or running around my Thunder counters

😮‍💨

[hidden creek]

that's what bough does

[fierce light]

Takes so long to get Tianhai's ult

I got #4

[hidden creek]

🤔

[fierce light]

Ima try with Feria

[hidden creek]

can you maybe work your magic and calculate the potential dps compare to ice surge and ILC?

[fierce light]

Yeah

Just a bit painful working around Thunderpull cause it decays over time

Interesting

Feria charges it pretty quickly

[hidden creek]

yeah bcoz of her F

[fierce light]

Despite the lower dps on her weapon

[hidden creek]

tessa can also does 1x skill + 1x 2nd charge and then do the horizontal attack follow up

enough to fill the thunderbar from 0, with tproof equipped

[fierce light]

Yeah mod might be important

[hidden creek]

ah nvm you don't want to do this rota

[fierce light]

I got 3rd on Feria

[hidden creek]

you'd still want 1 skill + 1x 2nd charge + 1x 1st charge cuz it also proc ice blast

[dusky sparrow]

Does this mean a thunder chain build MIGHT ACTUALLY be viable on tessa?

[hidden creek]

i'm just waiting for dark's calculation result

if the chain dmg is that good

then this build is viable on all heroes with an ability that does damages

[dusky sparrow]

Also looking at the soul jades, are all the "bolt" effect ones useless, such as giving all attacks bolt ir charged attacks boly

?

You would think it would build divine thunder x.x

[hidden creek]

nah

none of current season builds run bolt jades

[dusky sparrow]

I was hoping to run a divine thunder+bolt build for the memes.
But I feel like that would be suffering for no reason XD

[fierce light]

Yeah, especially now that they got rid of their nodes from the Potential Tree.

Only useful one lately is Bolt Mastery

[dusky sparrow]

I wish that they could find a way to keep ALL of them relevant

Like.
I would love to justify using yushan shadows

(But I cannot at all)

[hidden creek]

lmfao feria is perfect for this bcoz of the nunnie slow CA

[dusky sparrow]

Outside of making funsie comboes to help my friends level up if they get into the game again, as not to carry them as hard so they can get their bearings and learn how to counter/defuse

[fierce light]

Ngl I'm enjoying Thunder Surge Musket

It's going to feel even better when you can dodge and counter

[hidden creek]

bruh

if you delay the CA

you don't even use charge attack anymore

with 100% mod

[fierce light]

Charge Attack?

[hidden creek]

cuz 1 CA + 1 F = full thunderbar already

counterattack

[fierce light]

Oh yeah

[hidden creek]

https://streamable.com/ow1l3t

look at this

lmfao

[fierce light]

It's loading slow

Didn't realize you could delay it that long

[hidden creek]

if after parried 4 DT but the next attack won't trigger chain crush

then delay the counter attack

then when counterattack hits

just need 1 F

thunderbar filled again

[fierce light]

That's probably where the dodging after parry comes in handy

In combat

[hidden creek]

but

am i tripping or ice blast doesn't even happens if i do so?

all the ice blasts are from chain crushes

yeah

1 counter attack + 1 F doesn't trigger ice blast

then this is bad i think

but if it's like this

then how about this? 😂

[balmy coral]

@fierce light On Tessa

Is Ice lotus chain better?

[fierce light]

I'm confused, you replace Successive?

[hidden creek]

yea

[fierce light]

Yes, but against this boss, no. He often dodges a lot of the Blossom Blasts

[balmy coral]

Ye and always flying bat shit

[hidden creek]

nvm this only works on feria

1 CA + 1 skill doesn't fills the thunderbar for tessa

instead she can do this

[fierce light]

Feria

• 10.37 + 15 = 25.37x multiplier
  Tessa
• 12.08 + 12 = 24.08x multiplier

Is Tessa really close to filling it after?

[balmy coral]

This is so annoying cos the map has silence too so can't go stepping everywhere

[hidden creek]

need to frame count
feria: 1x counterattack (delayed) + 1 F = full thunderbar
tessa: 1x 2nd charge attack + 1 horizontal follow up + 1 F = full thunderbar

this is possible due to dual halberds horizontal follow up after a charge attack

also you can just ignore ice blast cd on tessa

because you proc it with chain crush anyway

the ghastbloom frequency looks good yeah?

[fierce light]

Just trying to get a gauge on the multiplier needed to proc Thunder

[hidden creek]

but hmm this doesn't looks so good, ice blast frequency is too low

and no succesive ice blast

[fierce light]

So Tessa has to do

• 9.83 + 4.36 + 12 = 26.19x multiplier

I guess since it's longer, it has a bit more decay

[hidden creek]

the upper side is she doesn't need to rely on the counter attack damage to fills the thunderbar
though she still need to delay the CA if it gonna proc chain crush, for the chain crush damage to instantly fills the thunderbar after

[fierce light]

So I'm guessing the Thundershock limit is around 25x with Thunderproof. 33x without Thunderproof.

[hidden creek]

idk how good lotuses explosions dmg are

or if the proc frequency is better than ILC

[fierce light]

Probably a lower frequency than ILC in actual combat

But, you'll get to Chain Crush quicker

[hidden creek]

mhmm

both doesn't have chill spike

[fierce light]

Yeah that's something I'll have to parse

And is slightly worse than parsing Poison cause I have to do each part in-game

[hidden creek]

damn did i just cooked up 2 diff builds in one day

🤣🤣🤣

tessa:

• 1x F + 1x 2nd charge attack + horizontal follow up = full thunderbar, but does not trigger ice blast, even with frost douse
• 1x F + 1x 2nd charge attack + 1x 1st charge attack = full thunderbar and also trigger ice blast, with frost douse equipped

so

• on might lotus counter build, no succesive ice blast, i do 1st rotation to maximize lotus spawn
• on dual chains build, with successive ice blast, i do 2nd rotation to get ice blasts to stacking up for frostbite chain

also on might lotus counter build i take ice root potential and on dual chains build i take frost douse

[balmy coral]

wait isn't Surge broke on tarka ult

[fierce light]

Shouldn't be?

[balmy coral]

[hidden creek]

• might lotus counter build: focus on spawning lotuses, also getting chain crush faster than ILC, but need to see if the total DPS of lotus spawned and chain crush could beat the lotus and chain crush dmg on ILC, also it's worth to note that due to not running succesive ice blast, ice blast dmg will be lower (but then again also note that its chain crush frequency is higher)
• dual chains build: focus on getting chain crush from both sources (frost bitechain and thunder chain), running succesive ice blast, but there's no lotus here

[quaint girder]

53.5k

Beats out the other build I had by 1k

Instead of Bolt Mastery take Thunderpull

Basically extreme skilled play

You are rewarded for landing every headshot with insanely high burst

You are punished hard for missing, especially since there's a stagger if not in Skyrender

Additionally, you'll probably deal with DT before you finished charging Deadeye

[fierce light]

It'll probably be a while till I can test it, going out of town till Tuesday. But if you can note down the jades and potentials, I'll save it for later

[quaint girder]

New Maximum Deadsky Build:

• Element Surge Poison
• Thunderpull
• Desperation
• Shattered Edge
• Backfire
• Scarlet Guanyin

Potentials is Red/Blue bow setup on Zer0's site.

[fierce light]

Yeah a +2.38% DPS increase.

[quaint girder]

Thunderpull immunity during dead eye seems to occur without any regards to height

So that's good

So yeah the build I have is just for super skilled pilots pushing out every bit of damage

Raw damage

Otherwise you'd replace TP with Bolt Mastery or Quick Attack

Tested everything Musket. I think the two builds RN are Deadsky (my build) and Thundereye (Tabbie's Spring Call build)

[hidden creek]

@fierce light can i send these builds to ur dms

[fierce light]

Sure thing

[fierce light]

Hmm? Wasn't it staggering while in Deadeye? Just Skyrender Shot was guarding against it.

[hidden creek]

@fierce light actually the rotation i came up with might lotus counter setup proven to be inconsistent because of the lack of frozen blast's ice blast cd reduction

actually nvm it's still good

😂

fuck

[fierce light]

Huh

Looks weird seeing all those Thunder Jades for it to be an ice build lol

[summer ridge]

I’ll be farming nothing but jades next time

I need a break after getting to 100

[fierce light]

Jokes on you, the farm was always about the jades

[crimson cave]

id say wow cuz on sea the leaderboard is like people doing em2 in 14 seconds

and 1 min is considered slow?

[balmy coral]

update: I did it under 55 seconds now.

I have a very loose Ice lotus chain build, so incomplete. That time score could be better.

[crimson cave]

my best is 1.15 or something, idk how people speedrun this that good, but i started the game last week of season of 2.5 so i lack the good jades

but like 14 seconds is insane imo

[hidden creek]

it's bow

[balmy coral]

[crimson cave]

ok im working on it...

[fierce light]

Got 13s on Tessa and Temulch, next place is 1m+ too on Xbox NA.

[summer ridge]

Jokes on you I wanted the lvls first

[crimson cave]

there been that legendary choice jade gifts

[crimson cave]

we all did

i think

[hidden creek]

i got 15s with my half-ass bow build

[balmy coral]

So tempting to complete a bow build lmaoo

[crimson cave]

thats what im plan to up next

[balmy coral]

What if I do .. since I can't do shit on my build without flux

[hidden creek]

and i didn't even tried lmfao

[crimson cave]

without flex

[fierce light]

Seeing how they treated Scorching, it's unlikely they will nerf it this season.

[hidden creek]

did like 2 runs

[fierce light]

Although they might fix the bug

They're even buffing Musket so it can be less sweaty.

[balmy coral]

Ye I badly need shroud jades cos most of my jades were 3 slotted

[summer ridge]

They are buffing thunder too

[fierce light]

Thunder needs a faster charge rate. Sucks that it's that slow just cause you have +6 Thunder-Wielding

[summer ridge]

Dw thunder will come up fr

[hidden creek]

that's why thunder is only good on 6 ice wielding

https://tenor.com/view/smart-think-meme-intelligence-common-sense-gif-8946867

[balmy coral]

what attributes do u have here?

[fierce light]

Hopefully the buffed element shots for Musket will make Thunder more viable for it. That and the dodge before Counterstrike

[hidden creek]

i showed the stats on the image below bro

[fierce light]

More DMG Bonuses than me tbh

[hidden creek]

612 attk vs 650 🤣

[balmy coral]

Did u put windfall into it? Just wondering

[crimson cave]

can you guys carry me through domain

ill give you all the gold keys

i had a dude with 0 damage this morning

he was like standing still?

[hidden creek]

i got 1 wf
3/6 of my jades only got 2 attributes

[balmy coral]

Ye I was wondering why u lack the stats in there I see.

[fierce light]

Dang that's really good

[balmy coral]

Farming all these Jades will be easy

[fierce light]

This week I got all my jades to having the stats I wanted, just waiting for Windfalls now

[balmy coral]

I can join but if u have 1 more friend maybe

better to do it with 3 person cos solo is diff

[crimson cave]

can we get tabboe to carry us

tabbie

[balmy coral]

If he's free

[crimson cave]

@hidden creek are you free for domain

[balmy coral]

Same, ytd was like my lucky bad day. got 3 scorchings but got it all fixed neatly

[hidden creek]

yea sure

[crimson cave]

yay

10809900140168

[crimson cave]

hes freee

[balmy coral]

Okee let's go

[crimson cave]

id pls

[quaint girder]

I meant Skyrender sorry

[hidden creek]

@fierce light domain solo and trio boss bar progress is the same right

[strong kiln]

alright, it seems I'm late on the showdown train

[crimson cave]

whats ur id

[balmy coral]

742200010173

[fierce light]

No, it gives a lot more solo iirc

I think 66% for Solo, with it rounding up, so you can have up to 4 bosses spawn in a row

[hidden creek]

oh oke

[summer ridge]

Showdown coach

[fierce light]

👀

[balmy coral]

[crimson cave]

ggs

[hidden creek]

i don't even remember how do you run trio domain anymore lmao

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[balmy coral]

[crimson cave]

i didnt even know you can control the spawn sites

[balmy coral]

I'm just camping since u can't solo it anyway

[crimson cave]

tho it make sense

[hidden creek]

ye there's multiple spawn spots

but the next boss will spawn at the spot where there's most people close to it

so you can control it

do camps, spawn 1 boss, keep doing camps but don't let it reach 100%

then you kill the boss, progress bar reached 100% and the next boss will spawn immediately

[crimson cave]

drops were trash tho 😭

nothing for the bow build

i need 2 more legendary jades

to try it

[fierce light]

Boss spawn is determined at 100% for Solo, 75% for Trios. So you can stop at 60-74% if you're mobbing, since if a boss is alive it'll choose a different spot. Honestly with fully leveled people though you can all split up and kill whatever is near.

[hidden creek]

lmao i don't even remember this

it's like

2 years since the last time i run trio domain

😂

[fierce light]

Yeah the strat likely won't be needed till Peak is out.

Unless people are still under leveled

[hidden creek]

fuckkk there's so many builds i want to try

🥹

but 0 mats

😭

[lone umbra]

topaz drops are trash even with gold keys

[crimson cave]

ic, waiting for the other ones then

[summer ridge]

Pc player training me

Will I get good now?

[river stratus]

you can try friends builds now

[hidden creek]

OH YEAH

but

the builds i want to try are builds that no one got lmfao

[river stratus]

[round glacier]

So which build hits the hardest lol

[lyric notch]

Im playing feria shen on showdown and it recommends i use a poison build but will ice build work too for this character?

Or should I use poison?

[tranquil beacon]

Ice is stronger than poison yea

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Tarosse leveled up!

[lyric notch]

OK thanks

Is there a website or place in can find the best builds?

[amber terrace]

but they buff thunder, poison next week

[tranquil beacon]

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/build.html?option=1

[lyric notch]

Amazing 👏

Thanks

[balmy coral]

I destroyed my poison completely

[amber terrace]

nice

lmao

oh damm

[balmy coral]

Now I gotta make bow build for Yama

[amber terrace]

bruh

[balmy coral]

Topaz?

[amber terrace]

nirrit ruin hard

[balmy coral]

That's lucky

[bronze wharf]

that Monk looks like a Hell Scorch only doesn't have a Horn .

[balmy coral]

Lmao

Ye

Looks like a mobile game

[bronze wharf]

no , it's a Donghua

Slay The Gods ( 战神 )

[balmy coral]

That's Interesting

[timid stirrup]

where or when did this info come from?

[amber terrace]

Next week

[timid stirrup]

Yes but how do u know? Where did u learn it from?

[hidden creek]

test server patch note is out

[amber terrace]

Test sv

[timid stirrup]

that makes sense

i always forget thats a thing

[balmy coral]

It's always catch up points when I go nirriti

[viscid wraith]

what's the buff? mind sharing the link of patch note?

[amber terrace]

Sad

[amber terrace]

Add element blast on thunder, poison potential

And element surge jade

Thunder +55%

atk +12%

[viscid wraith]

ohh that's great

thank you

[bold ice]

wouldnt this technically make sense? you could also make use of the 2 surge potential nodes

or is frostbite chain so strong you just cant miss out on the bonus damage every 15 element procs

[hidden creek]

the build definitely works

but psure dark did a comparison and szs lose to frostbite chain

[bold ice]

question is if he already had the full potential

[hidden creek]

he definitely does

it took approximately** 70 seconds** to fill your self-frostbite bar with your setup

[bold ice]

realistically how long does it take to proc element 15 times tho

[hidden creek]

with surge +50% ice accumulation rate, 1x ability + 1x 2nd stage charge attack procs ice blast

[bold ice]

yeah but youre stuck waiting to be able to proc again

[hidden creek]

wdym stuck lol, weapon damages is still alot of damages

[amber terrace]

[hidden creek]

proc ice blast then during its 4s cd you can do 1x 2nd charge + 1x 1st charge, or 1x 2nd charge + 1 aegis break, or just 1x 2nd charge

then skill + 2nd charge to proc again

and then chain crush also proc ice blast regardless of its cd

[hidden creek]

@fierce light yoto loop is actually quite satisfying lol
with 100% mod just replace 2x 3rd charge with 1x F + 1x 3rd charge

[balmy coral]

Ngl I wanna build yoto but-

I don't have the resources for her

[amber terrace]

[balmy coral]

I played naraka for Yoto cos of Onmyouji arena

But ditched her for Justina

[hidden creek]

if this build worth it then it's worth on all char

not just yoto

[amber terrace]

lol

[hidden creek]

now gotta wait for numbers from dark when he's done with the calculation

[balmy coral]

That makes sense

But I don't have the resources for it

[amber terrace]

build thunder only

[balmy coral]

This season there is pure Justina build

Optimal build ILC for my zip

Then that thunder chain build

[balmy coral]

Completing one build is not even possible for me

[amber terrace]

YEA, Omen vs Hero comebeck

[balmy coral]

Is this the new mode?

[amber terrace]

yea

[balmy coral]

Frost surge I tested on Tessa it works

Only Yama thou

It's meant for fast kill assuming you'd defuse every hit

[balmy coral]

Is it ranked? What are the rewards?

[amber terrace]

funny mode

[balmy coral]

Naraka is not funny

It's pure pain

[amber terrace]

[balmy coral]

Assuming ranked reset is near

[amber terrace]

im still 3k5

lazy for ranked

[balmy coral]

I hit asura and that's it I'm done

Give me 10 chests

[amber terrace]

wishing 4k5

[balmy coral]

If being top 3 becomes so rewarding I'd grind

If that was a thing I wouldn't be playing showdown

[amber terrace]

[balmy coral]

I thought showdown was fun

[lone umbra]

Welcome to the club

[amber terrace]

yea fun

but bored if play along

[balmy coral]

The thing was

I had fun building my poison build

That was legit

[lone umbra]

Agree building poison was fun.. just to destroy it for ice

[balmy coral]

It's like upside down unlike ranked

[balmy coral]

I enjoyed our inferno grind

[lone umbra]

Ranked is boring after 4500 no more rewards than avatar

[amber terrace]

yea

[lone umbra]

Inferno was good thing

Kept showdown interesting

[balmy coral]

Now I can't wait for inferno

But I gotta prepare for it cos if they don't make changes with Justina surge

I wanna test

[balmy coral]

Yes

Oh tbh dark made showdown more interesting

[lone umbra]

Justina surge won't be changed most likely

And exclusive curio for her probably or curio for surge build

[fierce light]

For example, this is Matari with Sub-Zero Seal instead of Frostbite Chain:

And this is Matari with Frostbite Chain:

After the first Frostbite Chain, the next one will be quicker since it also activates an Ice Blast right after.

[balmy coral]

Okay officially fuck nirriti

Always catch up points

[fierce light]

Should be even quicker than that, try:
Skill, 1st Charge Vertical, Skill

Oh wait that's to trigger Thunderpull as well, nvm.

[hidden creek]

in real situations prolly just 1st/2nd charge spam tho lol

[wispy trail]

I need help, which characters are Meta?

[fierce light]

Frost Surge likely going to be less effective in Tempered Inferno, unless they add a Curio that helps with accumulation for it.

[shrewd basin]

Ice Queen rn

[wispy trail]

I don't have her 🥹

I have feria, Tessa, cobra,kurumi and yoto

[shrewd basin]

Féria or Tessa rn and use a ranged build

[wispy trail]

Ok

Ty

[fierce light]

Tbh so far if you want to be competitive it looks like you want to make a Bow build and an ILC build. Musket we'll have to see, but it's looking super sweaty.

[hidden creek]

1. Combat Adjustments

2. The potential [Vibration Escape] now allows ranged weapons to dodge and then follow up with a pursuit move after a successful vibration.

3. Potential [Rage] increases poison explosion damage by 15%. Potential [Elemental Power] increases thunder damage by 20%.

4. The total additional attack coefficient caused by the Soul Jade [Lightning Bullet], [Frozen Bullet], and [Poison Bullet] is increased to 3.5, and the effect of "increasing the accumulation of elements received by monsters" is removed.

5. The attack power bonus of the lightning-controlling soul jade [Elemental Surge] is increased from 10% to 12%, and the thunder damage bonus is increased from 40% to 55%. The poison-controlling soul jade [Elemental Surge] increases the poison explosion damage bonus by 25%.

6. The timing of the appearance of the Golden Tyrant Body rune in the circular sword attack in the first stage of [Huan Yue] has been brought forward.

7. Adjusted the AI ​​of [Huan Yue] in the two stages, reduced the frequency of some multi-stage attack moves, and used moves that are more in line with its attack distance.

8. Optimized the facial expressions of the executed in the second stage of [Huan Yue]'s execution attack, and adjusted the timing of each attack in the execution to make it more consistent with the performance.

9. Level Adjustment
   Nirriti Adjustment
   (1) Optimized the locations of portals and Lingxu scrolls in each level.
   (2) When the [Moneyball] level is completed, a map marker is added to guide the player to the location of the portal.
   (3) The sound effects of the portal appearing in the special level opened by the Lingxu scroll have been enhanced.

10. Adjustment of Yama's Abyss
    When quickly reopening or entering the next level in the Ten Palaces, the sharpshooting status and accumulated sharpshooting value will now be reset.

4. Function Adjustment
5. From now on, you can log in to the Road to the Gods every week to receive 10 Chaos Stones through the login task, which can be used to supplement the casting level of curios.
   The casting level will be permanently inherited, which will help the subsequent development of Tempered Inferno
   Even players whose casting level has reached the maximum can directly receive 10 Soul Jade Fragments by completing the weekly task of "Casting Curios".
6. Optimized the problem of showing unsatisfactory rating when the Soul Jade item is full.
7. The assembly logic of the recommended soul jade combinations has been optimized. Soul jades with higher scores will now be given priority.
8. Optimized the layout of each gameplay position in the Showdown map interface.
9. Added a new recasting material "Small Soul Jade Crystal Block" to replace the drops of some blue soul jades in the main level of normal difficulty and above, and the Nirriti level of normal difficulty and above.

tl;dr:
**- musket buff

• poison & thunder potential buff
• poison & thunder surge jades buff
• huanyue nerf
• fixed the bug that allow you to maintain deadeye status when reset in yama
• curios bla bla who cares
• nirriti drops buff (?)**

''poison explosion'' in this context is poison elemental blast btw, not toxified stacks explosion

so it's still shit

[glacial fable]

Is forstbite chain better for all heros or just for some?

[fierce light]

T0

• Justina (Ice | Bow)
• Tessa (Bow)
• Temulch (Bow)
• Valda (Scorch)
• Ziping (Ice)
• Kylin (Thunder)

T0.5

• Feria (Musket) [Sweaty]
• Valda (Musket) [Sweaty]
• Yueshan (Ice)
• Matari (Ice)
• Tessa (Ice)
• Kylin (Ice)

T1

• Tarka (Ice)
• Valda Cui (Ice | Musket)
• Feria Shen (Ice | Musket)
• Yoto Hime (Ice)
• Tianhai (Ice | Thunder)

T2

• Viper Ning (Ice)
• Wuchen (Poison)
• Kurumi (Poison)

T3

• Temulch (Ice)

-# Tags: Meta, Tier List, Ranking

[hidden creek]

better than what

[fierce light]

Didn't even think of that as an option, that would be amazing if they did that instead

[hidden creek]

look at what they've done to us

💀

[fierce light]

At least with the weekly Chaos Stones, some people can reach Yin-yang Synergy

Well if they have any essence

[river stratus]

-The poison-controlling soul jade [Elemental Surge] increases the poison explosion damage bonus by 25%.- we still hold the 20% atk buff right?

[fierce light]

Yeah

They need to add attributes to Free Training. Especially in the Test Servers. I don't know how they expect anyone to truly test a build with how long/expensive it is to make one.

[neon brook]

Justina ice build? whats the jades?

like something like this, or just an ice lotus build

also bow build if possible, since u placed justina in t0

[fierce light]

It's all in the pins and on the site

[summer ridge]

[neon brook]

can u give me the link of the site?

oh is the site updated for the latest patch?

gotit

[river stratus]

i would be happy even with only the possibility to turn on/off moderation and scorching

[thick burrow]

hey

someone wants to play nirritis nightscream?

[NA] 7719800010164

[summer ridge]

Scorching blaze!!!

Where can I get the most soul jades

[shrewd basin]

Enigma

[fierce light]

Yeah, the rest can be calculated, but still helpful for niche cases like figuring out what scales from what like the curios, any word on what the new Sense Suppression Formula is?

[fierce light]

Enigma Domain

[river stratus]

I didn't even look for it actually

[fierce light]

It's too late for me to try to figure out the formula for being underleveled

Doesn't really matter anyway, just helps with calculating things not available in Free Training.

[turbid agate]

What are the buffs coming to thunder?

[fierce light]

• +2% Attack & +15% Divine Thunder DMG on Element Surge.
• +20% Divine Thunder DMG on Element Afterglow.

[summer ridge]

What’s good about tempered inferno

[turbid agate]

What's element afterglow?

[fierce light]

Green potential node

[fierce light]

Burn your fatigue really fast and it introduces Curios

[turbid agate]

Ohhh lol ty

[summer ridge]

No loot?

[fierce light]

Slightly worse than Nirriti's Ruins for Carved Crystals and slightly worse than Enigma Domain for Souljades.

Pretty much a middle ground between the 2.

[summer ridge]

Crystals?

I didn’t know u got crystals from nirriti

[fierce light]

Believe it says it in the descriptions

[lyric notch]

Why does it take so long to find a doom session?

Does nobody play doom runs?

10 mins so far

In que

Nobody seems to use in game party system either

[fierce light]

They usually get it done on the day of reset or the day after

Since it only rewards you for the first completion

[lyric notch]

Ah OK good to know

Thanks

What do people play during the week and weekends after reset

[fierce light]

For now Nirriti's Ruins Hard or Nightscream (if they haven't finished their season challenges or need the new jades)

[lyric notch]

OK thanks you for your help 🙂

[amber terrace]

Lmao nightscream afk player in nirriti ruin comeback

[fierce light]

Don't they punish you for that

[fierce light]

https://youtu.be/aku--JL-5EQ?si=_2Fr3NVLQ_imCatx
Enigma Solo with (barely built) Musket & Bow

[clever zenith]

nicely done 🙂

[fierce light]

Wasn't me, but yeah just found this video

[clever zenith]

scarlet guanyin i cant find the location of the drop anyone know ?

[clever zenith]

can i drop souljades from season 2 ?

[dusky sparrow]

Quick question
How do I judge between surge/lotus/toxic surge for melee characters?

As to what is the optimal choice

[zealous patrol]

how do we grind the new showdown level

[fierce light]

Frost Surge
-# Quick Ice Blast and Skill

• Justina
  Toxin Surge
  -# Spammable Aegis-Break with weak Skill
• Wuchen & Kurumi
  Shock Surge
  -# Safe counters
• Tianhai
  Ice Lotus Chain
• Everyone else.

[dusky sparrow]

W o w
We are really limited atm eh?

[fierce light]

Thunder has potential, but still needs testing

Hmm can someone test if Tianhai's Bell parries the full Thunder Counter now?

[timid stirrup]

I was just informed that it does @fierce light

[fierce light]

@hidden creek that gives Tianhai even further compatibility with your Thunderpull builds

[timid stirrup]

so showdown sense xp is effected by reward %

[fierce light]

Yeah, ~2.2 XP per Fatigue × Rewards %.

[turbid agate]

is getting divinity guard to spawn in ruins completly random? or are there set of rings that increase the chance?

[rotund forge]

anyone wanna do nirriti nightscream 3 times

[fierce light]

Poison increases the chance

[plain spire]

What i do to get it is lower my HP to half or below and not heal it, somehow i get divinity guard because of it.

[hidden creek]

literally 3/4 of the builds i came up with got tpull in it

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[turbid agate]

makes sense i never get it, never use poison lol

[fervent oxide]

How to clear this?

[hidden creek]

you can't atm

[fervent oxide]

ohhh damn..

[hidden creek]

there's only total of 79 gold sj currently

[fervent oxide]

okie thanks info tabbie

because there are still ???? jade that i haven't unlock

oooo

[cursive fable]

@fervent oxide hi shayol

[fair shuttle]

hacking the devs and release a new one

[hidden creek]

@fierce light why does this happens? 🤔

chain crush trigger 5x3 ice blasts but it doesn't make next chain crush ready
while if 5x3 ice blasts triggered from my F it make next chain crush ready

[hidden creek]

chain crush = 5x3 = 15 ice blasts
F = 4x3 = 12 ice blasts
then i still need 1 more 1x3 =3 ice blasts for the next chain crush to be ready
so the ice blasts from chain crush doesn't get counted at all for the purpose of stacking frostbite chain?

yep it doesn't counts

🥹

weird that it does counts for elemental lotus

[hidden creek]

but here it counted as 3 ice blasts... wtf??

[chrome seal]

Btw
How do you know when is that chain blast from uncharged attack gonna happen?
Are we supposed to count till we get 15 ice blasts and then do an uncharged attack?

Does that chain blast also happen if we do charged/martial skill attack?

[hidden creek]

this symbol appear = next uncharged melee attack summon chain crush

martial/aegis break also summon it yes

[chrome seal]

Ohhhhhhh makes sense now
Why is it at the top tho

[hidden creek]

idk lol

[chrome seal]

Lmao
Aight thanks for clarifying anyway mate

[hidden creek]

tessa can even summon it with horizontal follow up

now it counted as 3
bruh
what the fuck

[fierce light]

It probably has an internal cooldown. Can't be proc'd consecutively from itself.

[hidden creek]

so why does this happens?

chain crush = 3 ice blasts
Fx3, hits 3 targets
if each target are counted seperately then i should have my chain crush ready after 2 times F
if they counted all the ice blasts procs from one F is one time ice blast, then i'd need 4 times F
but here i need 3 F?

[fierce light]

It counts the ice blast following it, but can't fully charge from itself

[hidden creek]

i still dont understand

😭

[rocky lynx]

heyo ! is anyone know what is the fastest way to improve our level in showdown please ? I'm currently lvl 42

[gritty harbor]

What you didn't understood

[plain spire]

Nitiri + showdown 50% season xp buff from item

[hidden creek]

@fierce light here i proc 1 chain crush, it procs ice blast on all 5 enemies

• 1: if this counted as 1 ice blast, then i got 3 stacks for chain crush
• 2: if this counted as 5 ice blasts, then i got 15 stacks and my chain crush should be ready, but it isn't
  then i proc ice blasts on 4 small mobs = 12 stacks, if the first chain crush counted as 3 stacks then my next chain crush should be ready, but it also isn't
  so both [1] and [2] are not true
  then i proc 1 more ice blast (3 stacks), and now my chain crush is ready
  so that's (4x3) + (1x3) = 15
  so the first chain crush's ice blasts doesn't counts for stacks? but that's also not true when i tested it on single target

so what the hell is happening

[rocky lynx]

Okay thanks !

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

Basically it counts the charges, but the internal cooldown prevents it from being ready till the next Ice Blast refreshes the counter.

Test 1

1. Knock one of the Axe Ents away from the group.
2. Activate Chain Crush.
3. Use Justina's ability on the separated Ent immediately after it hits.

If Chain Crush doesn't appear ready then Frostbite Chain has an internal cooldown that it can be ready. If it is ready, then Frostbite Chain must limit itself to 12-14 stacks.

[astral widget]

Hi i didnt play a lot of time, if i see good is now season and new meta ;D. So whats the best build and charakter right now for solo players? something with ice ;D

[fierce light]

So it has an internal cooldown

Another test you can do:

1. Activate Chain Crush on all 5.
2. Unequip Successive Ice Blast
3. Proc Ice Blast on one enemy.

This will see if it stops at 14 stacks while it's on cooldown.

[fierce light]

For solo, Ziping Yin is likely the most well-rounded for all content.

Justina seems the strongest at the current moment, with her own dedicated build. It's all in the pins and on the site.

[fierce light]

Very strange. I guess it stops at 12 stacks then.

[hidden creek]

it took me 5 more instances of ice blast for chain crush to be ready

so total 6 ice blasts proc from bow shots, without succesive ice blast
so the first chain crush that procs ice blast on 5 enemies, with successive ice blast equipped, gave 9 chain crush stacks

why is it so... random?

or is it capped at 9 stacks per chain crush, regardless of how many ice blasts you proc with it?

[fierce light]

I guess they didn't want it too broken for mobbing

They stated the cap for Lotus, but not one for Frostbite Chain, interesting

There's another test though, try charging a Thunder Chain, then equip Frostbite Chain and see if it charges from that Thunder Chain

[hidden creek]

it gets even weirder

[fierce light]

Was that 4 or 5 Ice Blasts

I think it can maintain charges since the last time you had it equipped as well

Think Skyfire used to work that way

[hidden creek]

after the thunder chain crush? 4

[hidden creek]

ok imma run the test again, this time from lobby

[fierce light]

I have poor connection atm

So it's struggling to rewind

[hidden creek]

no worry i got it

ok same test but this time from lobby, it needs 5 ice blast after that thunder chain crush to get the next chain crush ready

so thunder chain crush ice blasts doesn't stack it when i don't have frostbite chain equipped

[amber terrace]

[hidden creek]

it gets weirder again

[dusk plover]

Dang someone else go ranting and arguing? Whole chat is missing past 3 hours ago

Also @fierce light is defusing ice when you have the elemental surge active bugged? I’ve tried just about everyone with very generous defuse windows and still get frozen

[raven path]

which character has the most damage per hit in showdown?

[fierce light]

It works, but not enough imo

[fierce light]

I'll check it out in a bit, at 1 bar

[fierce light]

Huh, they made the color of the names fancy

[hidden creek]

ew

i mean

https://tenor.com/view/the-hangover-humor-laughs-gif-18121726

[fierce light]

Wtf, 6 Ice Blasts?

[hidden creek]

🤷‍♂️ idk anymore man

[fierce light]

If it doesn't count the one it causes, that's unfortunate

[hidden creek]

but then on single target it counts

[fierce light]

I don't know what that could be

Cause the hit count is saying all the Blasts went off

Btw the Soaked duration tells you the cooldown of Ice Blast. At least with Frozen Blast equipped

[hidden creek]

good to know

[dusk plover]

So it’s bugged great. Hopefully they fix it next update

[fierce light]

I had to make the switch back to Xbox recently though so don't know if it's a new issue

[hidden creek]

so against single target it always counts properly, but when you proc ice blast on mutiple targets it starting to get weird

[fierce light]

Ik there was a bug that made it not work properly when multiple occurred at once, but they were supposed to have fixed that

[dusk plover]

Well if it was able to be done before it’s definitely an issue now

[fierce light]

Maybe instead of fixing it, they just increased the limit to 9

[hidden creek]

ye but the thing is it's not even about procing on multiple targets with 1 attack

[drifting lance]

🎉 | tabbie leveled up!

[hidden creek]

as you can see on my 3 mobs clip

[fierce light]

Yeah idk, spaghetti code

[dusk plover]

No matter what the timing was I changed with tainhia (probably biggest forgiveness in defusing) and Justina I kept getting frozen

[fierce light]

I don't know if the timing changed, but I have to do it right when it flashes.

Even then it's not consistent.

[dusk plover]

Unless there’s some bug where you can’t do it in free training

Yeah did it on that timing too and didn’t work

[fierce light]

One of the main reasons I don't recommend Frost Surge for anyone but Justina

If you're frozen, that's a good chunk of your Element Surge gone

[hidden creek]

so it counts properly if i don't do training reset

so the reset button is the problem

[fierce light]

Oh i thought you were just resetting skill though?

[dusk plover]

Yeah they need to fix it. Maybe it’s an fps/ping thing too which would be annoying

[fierce light]

I can defuse it no problem if a boss is attacking at the same time

Feels like they made it clientside, but still ping reliant somehow

[hidden creek]

skill reset only, it's still weird actually i didn't proc ice blast on some mobs

[dusk plover]

Oh yeah if you’re defusing another attack or countering it won’t freeze you

[fierce light]

Yeah, annoying that it can freeze you through the Counterstrike though

[hidden creek]

proper ice blast procs

still weird

[fierce light]

So, sounds like Frost Surge is even less effective for mobbing

[hidden creek]

i hit 3 targets with F, procs ice blast on all 3

if it counts as 3x3 = 9 then i only need 2 Fs for chain crush

if it counts as 1x3 then i'd need 4 Fs (plus that 3 at the beginning by chain crush)

but here i need 3?

not 2, not 4, but 3?

then this

and this

[fierce light]

That would explain why it felt random when I would get my Chain Crush ready during that mobbing stage

[hidden creek]

with ice blast procs from weapon attack it counts properly?

[fierce light]

Curious

Does Justina's Ultimate count towards the stacks?

Since it counts as Ice Blast DMG

[hidden creek]

it procs ice blast and it does counts

how does this works actually man

[fierce light]

Bruh

The new Ice build is made for Justina

Try it with zero Ice-Wielding. Curious if it's really providing stacks for Frostbite Chain

[hidden creek]

nope

0 ice wielding her V can't proc ice blast

so 0 chain stack

weirdddddddd

[fierce light]

Dang that would've made her SS tier if her Ultimate stacked Frostbite Chain

[hidden creek]

aight i give up

nothing makes sense

one thing for sure is that you'd still want to proc ice blasts on as many targets as possible with each of your ability cast

[fierce light]

Yeah definetly.

[summer ridge]

Hello

No more Lvl increases now

[fierce light]

Yeah 100 is the max for now.

[trim pulsar]

Can anyone help with NS Windswept wasteland?

[calm kestrel]

Anyone know how their triggering the 3-sec ult extender twice every DT to perma stay in ult? I'm only able to trigger it once ;-;

[fierce light]

Are you using the build with Thunder Charge?

[calm kestrel]

Yes. I'm using the exact same jades, essences and potential tree.

Even fought the same boss to see if it was boss specific. I can only trigger it once.

A few of my chamber mates are having the same issue.

[fierce light]

Thunder Charge makes it go off in single bolts, that build doesn't have it

[calm kestrel]

I thought it did.
I don't have permissions to post in this chat, but I'm using
E-Surge
T Counter
T Pull
T Chain
T Charge
T Proof.

5 ice essence 1 thunder

[fierce light]

From what I can tell they don't have Thunder Charge on and have Successive Ice Blast on.

It could be the dual chain build

[calm kestrel]

I swapped Thunder Chain for Successive Ice Blast and came up with the same result.

[fierce light]

Nvm it has an element surge in it

[calm kestrel]

I'll try this one.

[fierce light]

So the jades are likely:

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Thunder Chain
• Successive Ice Blast
• Element Surge
• Thunderproof

[calm kestrel]

This is the result of using these jades. I'm even cancelling the auto counter to transition faster through the counter combo sequences.

[fierce light]

Yeah not too familiar with Tianhai's new mechanic

[fair shuttle]

i just hit till i can kill the enemy

[summer ridge]

Hello

[quaint girder]

So it looks like Tianhai's Ulti gets extended the moment the CA animation comes out.

[fair shuttle]

Hi hi

[quaint girder]

Because of how long the CA animation is (3 seconds) and the whole animation of the DT Counter, the ulti is difficult to maintain as unlimited

If there's a way to cancel animation to shorten the time spent while maintaining the damage threshold for Thunder Charge

[fair shuttle]

I feel dumb

[quaint girder]

I haven't cooked on Tianhai yet, but it seems like unlimited Ulti may be tied to ping and FPS times to maintain the tight timings

[quaint girder]

Hmm

I see the issue

I'm not sure what the build is

[calm kestrel]

In the original video, ult is held indefinitely. its insane lol.

[quaint girder]

TPull, TCounter, TProof, Successive Ice Blast, and one of the Chains

It says Elemental Surge thou

They're running 6 Ice Wielding

I also see one of the Chain Attacks

[fierce light]

Likely Element Surge Ice-Wielding to activate Ice Blast

[clever zenith]

for the bow build i have 2 questions
first for topaz how to deal with bow durabilty since there few weapon repair kit
second how i can trigger the 3 bow hit ?

[calm kestrel]

Yeah, i've ran that build too. Still only getting one refresh. It can't be ping or FPS because theres some sort of tech that's being done.

[misty bridge]

Which one does more dmg?

[fierce light]

• Try to maintain Deadeye for as long as possible as the red potential node restores ammo every 5s.
• Avoid using it for general mobbing, unless you have a nice vantage point for it.
• Every chest should drop a weapon repair kit, so there should be plenty as long as you're not wasting too many arrows outside of Deadeye.

[fierce light]

Depends on the hero

[misty bridge]

Tarka?

I feel like ICL does low dmg compared to FS

[fierce light]

FS does burst damage, but the overall damage is lower if you're not on Justina since you can't use as many Ice Thorns (Chill Spike's attack on Skill use).

The longer it takes you to activate Ice Blasts, the worse it gets in comparison to ILC.

[misty bridge]

So only works on justina and matari? or what

[steep patio]

is thunder element surge even worth the recasting

it feels very slow

and hard to use going against fast moving bosses

[calm kestrel]

After being in the lab, I finally figured it out. Its a Tianhai animation tech cancel. Its not the jade build.

[fierce light]

Mainly for Tianhai. Or possibly a Musket build.

[fierce light]

Mainly on Justina

She's the only one that can consistently activate Ice Blast as soon as it gets off cooldown

Other heroes take 2s+ after the cooldown.

[steep patio]

lfg 3rd for yama na

[fierce light]

What, jump parry?

[calm kestrel]

LOL!

DT counter-Horizontal-vertical animation cancel-counter.

[fierce light]

Weird

[calm kestrel]

Yeah, its weird for sure. but that procs the 2 ult refreshes.

[round sonnet]

just spam left click when countering DT

[fierce light]

They should increase the rage gain on Tianhai's Skill

I don't see him being used much til the later stages as he is now

[fickle linden]

so what do you guys think of new bosses?

[balmy coral]

Freaky

Too much invincibility same thing

[viscid wraith]

I hate the shaman

[balmy coral]

Shaman is fine less mobility easier to defuse.

His projectiles u can mostly defuse half of it so u don't take like full dmg

[fierce light]

Phase 1 Huanye needs a better indicator on her AoE one shot, but I think they said they're fixing that

[turbid agate]

i was testing a thunder lotus element surge crossover build, and wow thunder is shit. They need to buff your thunder accumulation

[crimson cave]

i love how this game has either a fully detailed rundown for some best builds or absolutely lacking any information online about most basic in game stuff

at least in english

like 90% of the game is literally fuck around and find out

[lone umbra]

what are you looking at stuff? you can always ask in this discord for any help

[crimson cave]

just lots of general info, like it's hard to find any info of what heroes assemble actually is, or rn im struggling to find the differences between 3 types of celebrations

like is there a big difference in rewards for sunshine one or if 3 regulars are better than 1 sunshine one etc

[fierce light]

Not really any room for them to crossover. Element Surge would make you get less Thunder Counters off without Thunder Charge.

[round glacier]

Any chance poison comes near to ILC?

[fierce light]

It's better for Wuchen and Kurumi. Until Curios come out at least.

[strong kiln]

@hidden creek I see got caught in Naraka's insanity

[round glacier]

Gracias 🙏🏾

[quaint girder]

So I can answer both:

Chamber Celebration Tiers determine how many Hero Celebration Scrolls are spent by the host to host to the celebration, how many Chamber Points the host and the chamber receives for hosting the celebration, how many Hero Coins the host receives, and also determines the drop rates of items within Red Packet Drops during the celebration.

Generally speaking, the highest tier celebration will give the most bang for your buck. You will gain a very large net positive of Chamber Points for yourself and your Chamber for Chamber Rankings for hosting the highest tier. If more than 5 people join up, then everyone collectively gets a lot of items which outvalue the 30 scroll cost.

However, the highest tier has the worst return on Hero Coins relative to cost in Celebration Scrolls which is 5 coins per 30 scrolls. Compared to the lowest tier celebration which gives 2 coins per 10 scrolls leading to 6 coins for 3 of the lowest tier celebrations.

It's important to note, that the highest tier celebration will give you a lot more score than the Hero Coins you use during Heroes Assemble. So if you're aiming for ranks, highest tier Celebration is the way to go.

Heroes Assemble is a PvE Raid which is organized into 8 stages which need to be completed in a 20 or 30 minute time limit (I can't remember which, but the time is limited). All 48 members of the Chamber can participate concurrently, but only 4 people may enter the battlefield at a given moment. Chamber members queue up to enter the arena in sets of 4 players. Once any of the 4 players die in the arena, the next person in queue takes their place.

You fight through a mixture of PvP Bots, PvE mobs, and PvE Bosses with increasing difficulty. The heroes available are only those available in Showdown. While you have access to your Showdown abilitiy variants, your Hero's level in Showdown, as well as the ability to Defuse, your account Showdown Level, Potential, and Souljades have no effect on this mode. The 4 people fighting have a set time limit of 2 minutes to fight. After that time expires, their health rapidly degenerates, killing them and forcing them out of the arena. This allows for other players to get a shot at fighting in the arena.

People who are in queue can give players in the arena various power-ups or rain down destruction on the foes by paying Dark Tide Coins. Coins are gained passively through kills done inside the arena by the active fighters. If you are an active fighter, you will earn more coins per kill compared to someone waiting in queue.

Prizes and drops are determined by two things:

1.) How far the chamber has made it in the 8 rounds.
2.) Individual Player Contribution.

How far the chamber has made it in the raid determines the quality of the drops.
Individual Player Contribution determines how many drops you get up to a maximum of 4. Chamber members can boost the maximum drop count by 1 for the entire chamber if they spend 2k gold for a Koi Blessing, up to a maximum of 2 (total of 6 drops: 4 + 2).

Player contribution can be tough, especially if there are more than 12 players in a Heroes Assemble. The most contribution is earned by players participating in the battle directly, followed by supporting active fighters indirectly with buffs and damage while in queue.

Many times when a large amount of players are participating during Heroes Assemble, not everyone will be able to maximize their drop count. Additionally, there are ignorant players who will hog participation unwittingly because they're trying to go for a fast clear and unintentionally cause players to lose out on a few drops.

[fierce light]

Best to use the summons when a boss's Aegis is broken. Double the value. People on field should be spamming their Aegis-Break attack to down the bosses quickly.

[crimson cave]

thanks for the insights