👾┃showdown

[fierce light]

Neat that both Musket users have a strong ability to kick start your Thunder

Oh you didn't put on Thunderproof

[quaint girder]

It's just one bolt

If you screw up it's not a big deal with the stagger

Also, when in Deadeye a Skyrender Headshot will immediately fill gauge for the Thunder Charge

Desperation applies to all damage right?

[fierce light]

Not for the stagger, but rather

the Thundershock cap reduction

[quaint girder]

Only affects the speed to enter Deadeye

[fierce light]

I'm trying to find where I did the math on it, but I remember it being 25%

[autumn badger]

how is it so impossible to farm a scattershot :c

[quaint girder]

After that, every Skyrender Shot will proc a DT via Thunder Charge

[fierce light]

Ah gotcha

Well I mean

Between Thunder Surges, but it shouldn't be that bad once Deadeye is going

[quaint girder]

Yeah it's a bit clunky though

You're basically cycling in Surge State: Headshot > Counter > Headshot > Counter > Ad Nauseum

[balmy coral]

Yuup this is basically how my topaz runs were

[quaint girder]

You're a turret, but the forward sliding is still an issue, but Skyrender's reload animation AND counter animation will slide you forward significantly

So it gets you pretty close to the boss in a short time

However Dark

Now that we're using DT actually

We can tap into Divine Thunder Damage as well.

[fierce light]

Skyrender Shot

• 14x multiplier
  Counterstrike
• 17.2x multiplier (with Thunder Smash)

[quaint girder]

With the current build I'm hitting 35k each shot plus DT's 5.8k

Which adds up

Which brings me to my next point

You can do a 6x Attack 6x Ranged DMG, 6x DMG to boss, and 6x DT to boost those DT bolts significantly

[fierce light]

You can skip the utility attributes and go

• Attack
• DMG to Bosses
• Divine Thunder DMG

[quaint girder]

Oh and Windfall it

[fierce light]

Ranged Weapon DMG being a placeholder

[quaint girder]

Yeah that would push the Smash/Skyrender Headshots with the DT procs well over 50k damage

For reference my raw damage build before was 45k

We don't want to give up Desperation since we want all the damage to be amplified

So both Desperation and Backfire will probably stay unless you can think of another way to make it work

[fierce light]

It's not too much healing between the counters and Deadeye passive?

[quaint girder]

Hard to tell in training due to auto healing

But I assume it will be similar to bow as a single shot at 50k to 55k will probably one shot you down to 1HP

Let me try it

Yeah, same as Bow we tested earlier

[fierce light]

Yeah your damage per shot might be smaller, but it gives nice AoE as well

[quaint girder]

The healing from Green Tree and Counterstrike Green Tree can't beat the raw self damage

[quaint girder]

Yeah with those substats without Windfall (the ranged damage placeholders) I'd estimate the damage per round would be like 40k per headshot for the Counterstrike Bullet

And like 10k for DT bolt if I'm being generous

It's a bit slower though than my raw damage build so may not be able to get rapid shots to burst

But the damage is comparable. Issue is still getting into Deadeye state takes a lot of time

Ah don't forget I'm using Afterglow/Fury here as well

[autumn badger]

any way to get around the cursed sensitivity change when deadeye procs on rifle?

[quaint girder]

No idea, this is uncharted waters

You're going to have to fiddle around with settings and see what helps and let us know

Zero I think we pretty much solved Musket as best as we could

Main issue is Deadeye build rate

Even with 6x Deadeye Build Rate it doesn't reduce the amount of shots by that much

And if we do anything to the build to increase the speed to enter Deadeye, we significantly reduce the amount of damage during Deadeye

So there's Raw Damage and DT Charge then.

DT Charge does more damage over longer fights, but has less burst potential vs Raw. Also you have deal with the clunky cycling of DT Counter into headshot

God forbid you get a ghost bullets then the cadence is lost

Deadeye Musket DT Build:

[autumn badger]

yeah I've been following along

[quaint girder]

Substats:

6x Attack
6x DMG to Boss
6x Divine Thunder DMG
6x Flex [Windfall Ideal, Ranged Weapon Damage/Deadeye Build Rate placeholders)

[autumn badger]

do you need to hit aimed shots for the 14 into deadeye? it seems like it's not significantly different to just hipfire to build it

[quaint girder]

Deadeye Musket Raw Damage Build:

[fierce light]

I'll get back to testing in a bit. I'll be able to figure out some breakpoints for Deadeye Rate once I get a more accurate value

[quaint girder]

Substats:

6x Attack
6x Damage to Boss
6x Ranged Damage
6x Windfall/Deadeye Build Rate

[quaint girder]

Issue with hipfire is ammo economy and reloading

you'll reload twice which takes time

17 shots vs 14

Skyrender reloads at a rate of 1 bullet per headshot landed

[autumn badger]

right, I've been ignoring that, forgot that was a problem

[fierce light]

17 for body shots, 14 for head shots

[quaint girder]

yerp

But Zero, I think we got a good rubric, two viable builds with approximately similar DPS values

With DT DMG substats, its possible that DT Deadeye may surpass raw damage

especially with Windfall

[autumn badger]

is there any way to test max potential in the training range or do I have to go farm first before I can text a full build

[quaint girder]

You can test everything but substats.

Additionally commemorative jades cannot be freely picked in training, you have to create them through the Narakapedia submenu

[quaint girder]

no

actually I should add that to my suggestion

[fierce light]

It's really upsetting we can't test sub-stats

[quaint girder]

Or adjust Potential Tree or Showdown level

I posted it here https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1381464911896514751

[fierce light]

You can adjust the potential tree

[quaint girder]

really?

[fierce light]

Showdown level doesn't affect much either since the Sense Suppression effect is disabled for Free Training

[quaint girder]

oh found it

[autumn badger]

you can change the tree but you can't change it past your current progression

[quaint girder]

He's asking give max potential tree in Training

would be useful for testing...but tbf

[fierce light]

So it just becomes a simple formula:
(252 + Hero Level * 5) * (1 + Attack Bonus) * (1 + DMG Bonus) * Coefficient

[quaint girder]

we're max potential by 2nd week so it's not that big of a deal

[quaint girder]

yep this is why I opted to keep Desperation/Backfire

that multiplicative bonus is too good to give up

[fierce light]

Yeah I might replace

• Renewed Vigor with Desperation
• Shattered Edge with Element Surge (Poison-Wielding)
  in my Bow build.

That way I have more consistent buffs

[quaint girder]

Because you're taking Craftsmanship right?

Instead of all out damage

[fierce light]

Yeah

It's basically infinite ammo

[summer ridge]

[fierce light]

Had a 4 minute run against the new boss where I didn't have to reload

[quaint girder]

Oh dang that's really good

Without it I'm guessing you need to reload

[fierce light]

Yeah 20% more Ammo and Ammo Regen

[quaint girder]

I wonder how much reloading impacts DPS. Tabbie didn't feel like it made much of a difference

[fierce light]

Plus if I have to reload it's 0.5s less

[quaint girder]

I was also along those lines of people can drop you Reload Kits since no one is using them

So not sure

Maybe in the builds we can put in a "Flex Slot" for Craftsmanship vs All Out Damage

[fierce light]

Just avoids the risk of having to reload during any damage windows

[quaint girder]

Or we can always math it and test if reload harms the damage end game

[fierce light]

Like a boss going down

[quaint girder]

Ahhh

Yeah that's a big thing

But one can argue you just reload just before Aegis breaks

Tough call honestly

[fierce light]

Ima have to replace those No Depletion attributes

With Windfall

[lone umbra]

Same i did yesterday. Got full mod new ice build

I destroyed completely

Nlw I can focus on maxing the value

[balmy coral]

[balmy coral]

I can have the ice lotus chain build as back up

So, I'm good.

I just need a few jade shroud and prayers

[autumn badger]

are we talking about the potential perk in the poison tree or something else?

[lone umbra]

I got both the builds and still 3 chance to get 2 windfalls

Need to fix depths blast. Got 0 crystals

[fierce light]

Yes

[ivory timber]

Anybody up for showdown match's tryna play I'm a beginner-ish in showdown

[fierce light]

Void Destroyer's animation and charge is almost 3s long. Craftmanship makes you get 1-2 ammo back every 5s.

[quaint girder]

Which was why I said maybe reloading or Craftsmanship wasn't 100% necessary

[fierce light]

Once you're in that DPS state, you'll burn through that ammo. Skipping stage 0 allows you to fit 2 Void Destroyer's in that 5s window.

Unless you don't, then you're sacrificing 36.6% faster fire rate (DPS).

[balmy coral]

Same lol

Farming topaz with so bad drops

[lone umbra]

Are you running 3 boss runs or 9 boss?

[autumn badger]

if rifle didn't have that weird janky sensitivity switch it would feel so much cleaner

[balmy coral]

No, I'm running for 8th boss.

9th boss is impossible for me since I'm only level 70

most often Just 7/9 boss

[cursive fable]

is topaz much worse than peak interms of jade fragment per run?

or is it similar between the two

[autumn badger]

not being able to defuse on rifle makes it feel super weird against some bosses

but when it works it's actually very fun

[balmy coral]

Peak drop is better

If u get a trio with gold keys it will stack up

Thou dark said peak is expected to be much harder

[quaint girder]

I see. So Craftsmanship might be required

Would have to test. If we give you all of our kits at the beginning of the match you probably won't run out of ammo, but reload downtime I wonder if it will sack DPS

We should test together again tomorrow

Between Craftsmanship and all out

[summer ridge]

Once my fatigue is out can I still get xp?

[fierce light]

About 26.5% more Fragments per run in Enigma Peak than Topaz.

Don't use Gold Keys in there especially.

[fierce light]

Hero XP I think. Not Showdown Level XP

[summer ridge]

I have no more fatigue

[fierce light]

Welcome to the club 😎

[fierce light]

Trying to get exact values for this Deadeye charge is annoying. So many systems of equations I'm going through lol

[summer ridge]

I maxed out at lvl 62

[quaint girder]

Understood

[fierce light]

Just going to settle with this for now, these are all lower bound so the cut in shots can be higher.

[quaint girder]

Also I'm thinking, is it worth revisiting DT Surge on Bow? Or is the Counter Multiplier so much weaker than the Scattershot, Frost Arrow, and Void Destroyer coefficient?

[quaint girder]

I see

[fierce light]

Yeah Bow's Counterstrike only has a 8x multiplier.
Thunder Smash brings it up to 16x.

[quaint girder]

That's so tiny compared to what we found

[fierce light]

Void Destroyer without any jades is at 19.09x.

[quaint girder]

Yer. So yeah no counter build for bow lmao

I'll probably still post the build if anyone really wants to shoehorn or roleplay DT Bow, but no testing is req

We know it's bad

[fierce light]

Managed 25s in Yama's with Temulch Bow

[quaint girder]

Which level?

[summer ridge]

All you must be lvl 70 right now

Huh

[fierce light]

The latest one. Solar 2 I think

[fierce light]

Yeah

[quaint girder]

Jesus

That's fast for bow

[fierce light]

Yeah closest Temulch has been to being competitive lol

24s on Tessa

Nice, pulled an extreme for Tianhai

[summer ridge]

How’d you get to 70 without using all ur fatigue

I only got to lvl 62

[fierce light]

XP Boosters

[summer ridge]

I used them too

[balmy coral]

I'm 71 and not even maxed yet

Rather maxing my fatigue takes too much time.

[fierce light]

Were you failing to full clear some missions?

[woven musk]

how would you rate the two ice builds for zipin? would she prefer lotus over spike?

[woven musk]

nvm lotus chain is so good ill stick to it

[signal kite]

Lotus chain ?

[lone umbra]

Basically replace sub zero and tundra might with element surge and frostbite chain

[signal kite]

Ohh

[summer ridge]

I died 500x

Guess I’ll wait until Wensday to my fatigue reset

At least all my fatigue went to nirriti

[balmy coral]

rip

u wasted a lot of exp by wasting your fatigue.

[summer ridge]

Not really

[balmy coral]

I'm maxed fatigue at level 74

[summer ridge]

I have a bunch of xp boosters from seasons that I never used bc I never thought to use them really

I just have a bunch of xp booster stacks

Like the 200% xp boost

I will just make sure to get to the level needed next week by using my fatigue correctly

[subtle bramble]

same we shall be smarter next week

[strong kiln]

Man... I love ranged build

[civic hemlock]

Question, does Windfall increase Moderation by 50% as well?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Sugar Spice leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[cobalt torrent]

no

[civic hemlock]

Shame...

[balmy coral]

Your attack attribute

You might wanna max it

[cobalt torrent]

[civic hemlock]

yeah i also want ice blast dmg on this

[balmy coral]

Turn it into a max attribute

[amber terrace]

[civic hemlock]

instead of rage dmg

[balmy coral]

You don't need it

[civic hemlock]

but it's very hard to level these up...

[balmy coral]

Get attack or element blast

[civic hemlock]

instead of rage dmg

😄

[subtle bramble]

i got a question about this as i read a few times that recasting a maxed rare attribute will make the next ones maxed too but i recently recasted an extra moderation i had (5th one i got in a row) and it didn't do that. It was at 25% but when i recast it to ice blast damage it only gave me 10% instead of the max

[balmy coral]

Oh ye u see, when recasting a rare into an attribute. It's like a 50/50 rng whether it's maxed or near-maxed

Let's say Ice blast max is 30% so that's a near-maxed attribute

Value-wise

[subtle bramble]

ooh i didn't know it was chance, got it

[balmy coral]

Ye

[lone umbra]

it is guaranteed to be atleast 80% of max value

[balmy coral]

But u see u win one way or another

[lone umbra]

u should be recasting

[subtle bramble]

yee for sure it was a really low percentage prior to the rare

[balmy coral]

Cos u see

Maxing an attribute is like 3x more expensive than recasting another rare

Expect 2nd rare

That's why we have been complaining about 2nd rare imbue cos it doesn't make sense

[subtle bramble]

so it's best to always recast the attribute with the lowest percentage then

[hidden creek]

doesn't apply to rare

when recasting a rare you could get whatever

min or max

or average

100% random

[balmy coral]

I mean-

Ye

[hidden creek]

unless you use the 60 recasts pity

then you're guarantee to get a 80% and up

[balmy coral]

I mean

You'd always use the pity for it right

[hidden creek]

no?

[balmy coral]

I do lol

[hidden creek]

well if you don't have any other jades that need right attribute fixing

then sure

but you never want to settle with a 80% from a rare anyway

i only take 95% and up

[balmy coral]

Recasting another jade is like asking for another rare for a shard no?

Which happens too

[hidden creek]

no, you use the pity recast (allows you to choose the next non rare attribute)

[balmy coral]

You won't risk it otherwise

[hidden creek]

to fix other jades

[balmy coral]

That's my point

That's why u go for the pity

[hidden creek]

wot

[balmy coral]

You recast another jade you'd need to complete the pity and use the pity for that jade that needs fixing

[hidden creek]

no

we're talking about recasting a rare for a max not recasting a normal for a rare

[balmy coral]

Bro

We were talking bout pity to get the max near value or maxed value from a rare

[hidden creek]

there's no pity

except for that 60 recast pity that gives you a 80% and up but you shouldn't take that

use that to fix other jades

if only you don't need to fix other jades then use it for a higher chance for a near max-max value attribute

but if 80% pops then it's a waste

[balmy coral]

That's exactly my point

Since value recast count doesn't apply to attribute recast

[hidden creek]

that's another story

[hidden creek]

you said this

make me thought that you meant always use the pity for the rare to max attribute

[balmy coral]

Ye to recast a rare to get a Max near value or maxed value

Normal attribute

[hidden creek]

huh

bro

let's say
you recasting a rare to a max
you hit 60 recasts pity (can choose what attribute gonna appear on next recast)
if you use that pity on this rare = guarantee a 80% and up attribute, but you wouldn't want a 80%
if you use that pity on a normal attribute = value remain but you got to choose what's the attribute gonna be, so you use this on a maxed but wrong attribute to fix that attribute, for example armor 200 = ice blast dmg 30%
then back to recasting that rare into a normal, near max/max value

[balmy coral]

Ye I know that

But u better not waste fragments into another maxed

Just recast another jade into another rare then use that pity to fix that rare into max value

I know that u can fix another attribute by rng of another max

[hidden creek]

what does this even means

once you hit pity you have to use it

on the next recast

[balmy coral]

Ye

You can just not recast no?

[hidden creek]

so the story is you recasting a rare aiming for a max, but you haven't got the max, you hit pity now what you gonna do?

[balmy coral]

Use that pity to fix that rare into a max or near max attribute

[hidden creek]

i wouldn't do that

i would use that pity to fix a normal maxed value but wrong attribute on a diff jade

turn it into a maxed value, right attribute

[balmy coral]

Well my point is

Flux is scarce

We would take another shard as a chance

[hidden creek]

that has nothing to do with flux

[balmy coral]

We goin in circles but I get your point

My bad

[hidden creek]

to be fair you could do it your way, use the pity the chance to get a near max/max attribute from a rare is obviously higher than just random recast it

but if you still got other jades that need attributes fixing, you can do it my way

all of this is just to avoid value recast

[north lynx]

When u say pity timer but also say 60, it makes me think you are referring to the guarantee timer instead of the rare attribute pity timer

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Xilenced leveled up!

[hidden creek]

it's the guarantee

and it's also a pity

bcoz that's what a pity are?

[hazy patio]

is the reccomended souljades the same as before?
ghastbloom, elemental lotus,, successive ice blast, frostbound lotus, Frozen blast, tundra might

[hidden creek]

check the pins

[plucky fog]

???

[balmy coral]

@fierce light see what pain feels like

@hidden creek

[hidden creek]

lol

i got 8 scorchings in a row when building poison

i know what it feels like

🤣

[balmy coral]

You were not not the only one

[balmy coral]

Ngl deconstructing that jade would take me to nirvana

[plucky fog]

i think i will save it for proof

[north lynx]

Sorta, but when saying pity it's almost exclusively used in the context of rare pulls. Guarantees has been the name assigned to the 60 pulls. Just better to seperate the 2 like that to avoid confusion yk?

I got excited thinking they changed the rare pity to lower when you were talking

[balmy coral]

Okay my bad too maybe I used the wrong term

Since we never had that specifically

[north lynx]

It's not even the wrong term, objectively both are pity timers

[balmy coral]

No

I think ppl had posted a complaint bout that but never acknowledged

[hidden creek]

current pity for rare is like what

200?

it's hidden tho

but it does got a hard pity

[balmy coral]

The thing is we don't have a specific graph for that pity

[hidden creek]

yea

[balmy coral]

A guaranteed rare from recast

[hidden creek]

just player's data

[tawdry idol]

is there any " video clips " or something that i can watch for specific souljades?

also

i kinda need a lot of help in this whole showdown mode, i feel like i am playing it the wrong way

[balmy coral]

Ngl showdown feels like your daily mmo nowadays

[quaint girder]

With Deadeye Bow, it's starting to feel like it

[tawdry idol]

lmao

[quaint girder]

Ranged DPS, Frontliner, and Support

And you have to build your jades properly

[north lynx]

You probably are

[north lynx]

Good!

I hope it becomes a whole game

Single player stuff has much more staying power

Pvp stuff is too fragile, even tho it has staying power for naraka

Core issues like fps, ping, and poor balance/cheater prevention decisions ruin pvp right now for anyone hyper aware of those issues. While those affect showdown, it's allot more minor in comparison

[north lynx]

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/index.html

Here you go gamer. A caviat to this is this is updated till end of last season

But everyone is figuring out the new builds as we can. Check pins for more recent build ideas

[fierce light]

ILC resulted in slightly better DPS than FS for Ziping when I parsed it.

[fierce light]

Only non-rare attributes

[north lynx]

I'd assume the higher amount of elemental accumulation raises the lotus count high enough to where it out dps's? It makes sense I run lotus on zip for poisen too

[fierce light]

When recasting Rare Attributes, whether going into one or out of one it'll generate a random value.

[balmy coral]

I'd say FS is specifically meant for Justina

No one should run it on other heroes atp

[fierce light]

Jesus, what a waste of Flux Shards.

[woven musk]

feels better too imo, i usually use her F into insta LMB and start spinning so I can skip holding down RMB, with frostbite surge i sort of have to play around chill spike to maximize dps

[fierce light]

ILC has more consistent DPS and benefits more from the self buffs on Ziping since it has lower stat lines. Plus if you mistime any of her Skills during Frost Surge, it'll be quite the DPS loss.

I'll have to parse it on Matari & Yueshan later to get a better idea of how it compares in general

[north lynx]

I'd imagine matari will be the same

[balmy coral]

matari works on Ice lotus chain better

[north lynx]

Mhm that's what I suspect

[fierce light]

Feels a lot more comfortable on ILC

[north lynx]

This is a good thing honestly, lotus still being viable

But not on everyone

[balmy coral]

but limited to Ice is what I hate

[fierce light]

No need to interrupt your Skill & Aegis-Break chains with a Defuse. Although you should be spacing out her Skills about every 5.5s.

[balmy coral]

Had to let go of poison for this season

[fierce light]

Matari might be viable on Poison. I'll have to test that too, it's just a lot of tracking the various stacks of Toxified

[north lynx]

On zip the poisen lotus is still viable as well

She doesn't benefit at all from Seep or surge

You just replace venomous for chain

[balmy coral]

Could but we need a graph for that

[fierce light]

I think I can math that without parsing

So every 11 Lotus would summon to 1 Chain Crush.

[north lynx]

11 toxified in general

O right yes yes

I see what u mean, using lotus as an indicator

[fierce light]

Chain Crush

• 22.4 / 11 = 2.036x multiplier.
  Blossom Blast to Venomous Lotus
• 2.73 - 1.82 = 0.91x additional multiplier.

So each Toxified application is worth nearly double with Toxified Chain than Venomous Lotus.

There's also the additional accumulation from Chain Crush if it lands on any enemies while Poison Blast is on cooldown + the 50% increased Aegis DMG from the Potential.

Should be pretty decent in Tempered Inferno.

[north lynx]

Yupp and for peak jungling

[fierce light]

Honestly, it's a buff from last seasons Poison

Since Venomous Lotus was a 1.8x additional multiplier before.

[north lynx]

For a farming build poisen definitely is the strongest. It also feels much stronger, chain crush is absurd

[tawdry idol]

thanks man

[north lynx]

I'd say you also could do lotus on matari, but I'm pretty sure the new poisen stuff(Seep and surge) on matari might be hidden op

[fierce light]

Well nvm still a nerf since Blossom Blast does less overall, but bigger buff from Chain than Venomous was.

[north lynx]

Skill, aegis break, mod skill, aegis break, over and over in ele surge seems broken

And the skill gives you allot of immunity to stagger

[balmy coral]

• curio if they make it as decent as last season

[fierce light]

Yeah for Wuchen Toxin Surge pulled ahead all the other Poison options.

[amber terrace]

[fierce light]

Yeah hopefully the universal Curios are for at least Ranged and Chain Crush.

Have a feeling it'll be Surge though

[amber terrace]

Curios, when shot at weak u summon Dragon to eat them

[north lynx]

Moonbane shot

[amber terrace]

1 shot will summon moonbane area =))

[balmy coral]

Yes! I'm expecting a Justina sole curio

[balmy coral]

Ngl range in Inferno won't be bad as long as there's only one

2 has to take upfront like Justina and zip

[amber terrace]

imagine TI has Bough + Manticore

[balmy coral]

manticore can be punished with range but if two of em

We gon suffer

[fierce light]

Thunder Musket might be better than Bow in there

Bow does have slight AoE though

[amber terrace]

why

[fierce light]

It'll have bigger AoE with its Thunder Counters

Just unfortunate it can't make use of Chain Crush without switching

[amber terrace]

did u test it?

[fierce light]

Just thought of something, Defuse Aegis-Break increases Counterstrike damage. Wonder if that applies to Ranged Weapons.

[fierce light]

Yeah it works quite well, you pop your Skill on a group of mobs to get Thunder Surge going then spam Thunder Counters to build up your Deadeye quickly

Then it's just a matter of going between Skyrender Shots when Thunder Surge is down and Counterstrikes when it's up.

[amber terrace]

what build thunder musket?

[balmy coral]

[balmy coral]

I think they already showed earlier with tabbie and naes

I won't bother with it I have very limited resources

[amber terrace]

oh, i don't see to read that

[north lynx]

Skyforce, mortal defiance, swift heal, guardian, lotus barrier, repair roll

Best build

Yw

[balmy coral]

You guys do the match I leave the match on my workplace

[sour wedge]

So I just got back for the new showdown season, they removed souljade levels? Now only the stats on the jade matter?

[north lynx]

There's a global level now

[sour wedge]

that's the "Showdown Level" at the top of my characters?

[woven musk]

i just had a stroke after reading this, please not

[sour wedge]

that's what gives me base hp/atk and stuff now?

[north lynx]

Yes

[strong kiln]

Yep

[sour wedge]

ach okay

[strong kiln]

So you don't have to level up each jade to gain level anymore. Still grindy

[fierce light]

Thunder Musket Build

Core Souljades

• Thunderpull
• Thunder Counter
• Element Surge (Thunder-Wielding)
• Thunder Charge.

Optional Souljades

• Thunderproof
• • 25% faster charge.
• Backfire
• • 20% Attack but damage self.
• Renewed Vigor
• • 20% Attack during Deadeye & 4s after parrying.
• Desperation
• • 20% DMG Bonus, must be paired with Backfire.
• Thunder Chain
• • Attack with a 21.42x Divine Thunder DMG multiplier, will have to use an Uncharged Melee Attack to activate.

[sour wedge]

seems like a good change, don't have to level individual jades anymore

[sour wedge]

yeah, but they were just increasing the jade lvl cap each season

[fierce light]

Yeah it saves quite a bit of materials

Especially when you'd have to level multiple builds

[sour wedge]

new boss looks fun! just about to try it

[north lynx]

If you wep swap for thunder chain, make sure to c wep swap to remove end lag on the animations for faster swaps

[strong kiln]

Also recommending trying range weapon now. Musket and bow just received update and has their own playstyle now

[north lynx]

Yeah fun is a word you can use

Tbh tho if you learn to repair walk, you can avoid all the annoying stuff easily

Esp the gold un defusable attacks

[sour wedge]

Oh i used ice blast musket before this update

so I'm going to try builds focused on them for sure

So what do you do with blue jades now?

[strong kiln]

What are the glyphs for it tho?

[fierce light]

Added the build to the pins. All that's left is to do more testing on Poison and Thunder (melee) builds.

[balmy coral]

New boss has too much invincibility

[fierce light]

Green Path with a little into Blue.

Ignore the nodes that boost things unrelated to Ranged/ Counterstrikes.

[balmy coral]

Especially, the sneaky one can only defuse

[fierce light]

You can hit her during all of her attacks it looks like

[balmy coral]

I have not tried I had been playing safe against it

Could win

[north lynx]

I beat the new boss p easily
easily with tls

[fierce light]

Ah you're using it still? How's it with Incorporeal?
-# Dodge after parry node.

[north lynx]

Its ok I don't really use it that much since wuchen has good fan dodges and a counter attack that is good enough with it

I'd imagine on other chars it's better

I've used it maybe 3 times

Wuchen counter attack gets the full double scorch without having to dodge

Which even tho like

You wanna dodge

In allot of pre soaked situations it's good

But because of that and fan dodge just costing less stam

I havent used incorp that much

[fierce light]

Actually guess it could be pretty bad for heroes with a slow start up on their Counterstrikes

[north lynx]

Yeah probs mid on gs users

[fierce light]

But still free Counter Recovery is nice

[north lynx]

It's tech that's there it was useful everytime I used it

They should make it not cost stam

And I'd use it more

[north lynx]

Yeah for now it still does good damage and I have it maxed so might as well. Later on its going to fall off pretty hard tho I think

[fierce light]

Off-topic, but I'm thinking Ice Lotus Chain going to be the go to for Ziping this time. Just thought about it, Chain Crush's multiplier is just high enough to even cause an Ice Blast in Tempered Inferno

Omg

If it does an Ice Blast on 5 enemies, it'll be ready again

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[fierce light]

I didn't get around to maxing mine, but that charge up rate did look promising.

[north lynx]

I was sure it was gonna be the strongest build so I all inned it last season, but curios was a curve ball and didn't buff it as much as it buffed ice.

[fierce light]

Wait, I'll have to test this. It might not count simultaneous Ice Blasts

[north lynx]

I got like a 3:30 time on it with solo wuchen, which wasn't bad, highest none ice build, but ice build easily got sub 2 with little effort

[fierce light]

Yeah they don't seem to like to stay on one meta too long. Although not sure why they still got us on Ice

[fierce light]

New boss?

[north lynx]

Nah old yama 20

[fierce light]

Ohh

Was about to say that was faster than my Justina time lol

[north lynx]

For new boss it was like 8 mins or so, but I stopped for heals allot

[fierce light]

Understandable.

Going in and doing dodges only does seem to help learn attacks

I'm still not sure on that AoE star rain though, how to know where to position

[north lynx]

The circles where she charges?

Or the one where she like tries to trick you into thinking she's downed

[fierce light]

Yeah, i just go to the edge, but sometimes it extends to the edge and has a safe spot right next to her

[fierce light]

That's her parry window when she holds her Fox head up.

Well it doesn't parry like Korvine, but activates a Counterstrike

[north lynx]

Oh that one's easy. You just go away from her and the safe spot spawns on her, then you dodge back into the circle around her

If you are close to her it'll spawn far away instead

Depends on your position while she's charging

[fierce light]

So it's based on your location when it started?

[north lynx]

Yeah exactly

[fierce light]

They need to make the indicators appear sooner tbh

That would explain why I was getting destroyed on my solo bow runs lol

[amber terrace]

@fierce light they nerf burn dmg in potential right?

[fierce light]

Yes,
Blazing Flame

• Decreased from
  0.6 × Health Bonus % to
  0.25 × Health Bonus %.
  Water and Fire Raged
• Removed 1.2 × HydroFlare DMG.

[signal kite]

Me suffering from all

[timid stirrup]

Is the 1st blue deadeye node the reason u can keep deadeye up in Yama when restarting?

I haven't tested keeping deadeye without it n I'm not home 2 test it

[fierce light]

No, it's just a bug

Works even with the red & green

[crimson cave]

is it me or there are like way more Vietnamese players on sea server than like thailand or anything else

[amber terrace]

wdym

[crimson cave]

like i never see thai people in randoms always Vietnamese (nothing wrong with them its just interesting why so many compared to others

[amber terrace]

maybe they boring this game

[quaint girder]

I have a raw damage Musket build as well if you'd like me to post

[fierce light]

Sure

[bold ice]

is the frostbite surge build just for the potential justina dmg boost or the universal higher risk higher reward build

[pearl fractal]

How to obtain frostbite chain?

[bold ice]

i believe the new stages

dont remember the name, but top left of the map where you choose what to play

[pearl fractal]

Can't get in, somehow my husband has it but hasn't done that stage

[bold ice]

he got it from a random souljade drop then

[pearl fractal]

Damn

[fierce light]

It performs worse on other heroes since they can't make good use of Chill Spike's 4s cooldown. Takes around 6s+ for other heroes to spawn it, 8s+ for heroes without a strong Skill.

With a 25s window for Frost Surge, that's

• 5 Ice Thorns for Justina
  (2.7s of leeway)
• 3 Ice Thorns for other heroes
  (3s of leeway)

66.7% more Ice Thorn damage on Justina at the minimum.

[bold ice]

so ice lotus chain is the main go-to

[pearl fractal]

I have poisonnon my kurumi, but when I go in it gives me an ice meter not a toxic one

What would cause that. Her tree is also poison

[hidden creek]

go in where

also do you have Depth's Blast/Sub-Zero Seal equipped?

[fickle linden]

man some of these new nirriti stages

https://tenor.com/view/buck-nasty-hater-haters-gonna-hate-gif-15441958000203259931

[north lynx]

Naraka ball!

[fierce light]

Yeah. I just did the math without having to parse. So for rotations with 5 Ice Blasts (the minimum amount for both builds to activate Chain Crush):

Ice Lotus Chain

Ice Blast Rotation

x1 Successive Ice Blast -> 
x3 Blossom Blast (Ice) -> 
x1 Successive Ice Blast -> 
x3 Blossom Blast (Ice) -> 
x1 Successive Ice Blast -> 
x3 Blossom Blast (Ice) -> 
x1 Successive Ice Blast -> 
x3 Blossom Blast (Ice) -> 
x1 Successive Ice Blast -> 
x3 Blossom Blast (Ice) ->
x1 Chain Crush (Ice) ->
x1 Successive Ice Blast ->
x3 Blossom Blast (Ice)

Ice Blast Attacks

• x6 Successive Ice Blast
• x18 Blossom Blast (Ice)
• x1 Chain Crush (Ice)
  Ice Blast Multiplier
• 6 × 6.85 = 41.1
• 18 × 1.96 = 35.28
• 6 × 3 ÷ 15 × 32.9 = 39.48

• 41.1 + 35.28 + 39.48 = 115.86
  115.86x Ice Blast DMG Multiplier

Frost Surge

Ice Blast Rotation

x2 Successive Ice Blast ->
[Frost Surge activates] ->
x1 Ice Thorn ->
x1 Successive Ice Blast ->
x1 Ice Thorn ->
x1 Successive Ice Blast ->
x1 Ice Thorn ->
x1 Successive Ice Blast ->
x1 Chain Crush (Ice) ->
x1 Successive Ice Blast ->
[Frost Surge ends]

Ice Blast Attacks

• x6 Successive Ice Blast
• x3 Ice Thorn
• x1 Chain Crush (Ice)
  Ice Blast Multiplier
• 6 × 6.85 = 41.1
• 3 × 9.1 = 27.3
• (5 × 3 + 3) ÷ 15 × 32.9 = 39.48

• 41.1 + 27.3 + 39.48 = 107.88
  107.88x Ice Blast DMG Multiplier

So technically Frost Surge wins over Ice Lotus Chain from Elemental Surge activating a +12% Attack buff and Depths Blast's +60% Ice Blast DMG. However, this is only against single targets and if you're not being frozen.

TL-DR:

Frost Surge beats Ice Lotus Chain for heroes other than Justina against a single target only by stats.

[stone niche]

https://tenor.com/view/math-confused-gif-21641306

[hidden creek]

still ILC got 0 penalty and much better AOE

also

when you say ''rotations with 5 Ice Blasts (the minimum amount for both builds to activate Chain Crush)''

[fierce light]

You can't go wrong making an ILC build. Especially going to be better in mobbing content.

[hidden creek]

did you include ice spike?

that thing counted as 1 ice blast too, for frostbite chain stacks

so on ice surge you could get like, 4x ''real'' ice blast (with successive ice blast = 12 ice blasts) and 3x ice spikes for a total of 15 ice blasts = you can trigger ice chain on next melee uncharged attack

[autumn badger]

does sap count rifle parries?

for poor cringe gamers who don't have the heal perk in the green tree yet

or does the parry have a heal effect re renewed vigor? (or does it just trigger a temp deadeye to activate that perk)

[hidden creek]

can just go test in training

[autumn badger]

doesn't training have a self-heal?

[hidden creek]

only when ur hp reached 0

[autumn badger]

ah ty

also is deadeye build % remotely worth slotting for comfort acknowledging the catastrophic damage loss?

or is it just like, not remotely enough to be relevant

[hidden creek]

if for musket ppl still cooking

bow don't need i think

3x 2nd stage charged shots = deadeye already

[autumn badger]

yeah bow seems fairly solved but I'm missing too many important jades

[fierce light]

Yeah.

• (6 × 3 + 3) ÷ 15 × 32.9 = 46.06
  This line accounts for it. Ice Thorns would occur before Successive Ice Blast. So it would be 4 Successive Ice Blasts + 3 Ice Thorns = 15 Ice Blast instances. You can follow up with a charged attack into to activate the next Ice Blast, followed by an uncharged attack to activate Chain Crush. Chain Crush also guarantees another Successive Ice Blast.

So technically it would do less since a Successive Ice Blast isn't accounted for

So really that line should be
(5 × 3 + 3) ÷ 15 × 32.9 = 39.48

[hidden creek]

i have no idea what those means lmfao but ok if you already include those ice spikes

just making sure

[fierce light]

Basically the 5th Successive Ice Blast isn't considered since you'll want to activate it before Chain Crush

[fierce light]

But yeah Ice Thorn = Ice Spike = Chill Spike. Just using the in-game term.

[fiery light]

BLessign level 12 at stage 3 xd 😹

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Darklys / [EU] leveled up!

[quaint girder]

Muskets are much better for mobbing. Unfortunately even with Deadeye Rate Up, getting into Deadeye is painful if you're not using a high Elemental accumulation skill like Feria F

The issue is getting at least 2 opportunities to counter to boost up your Deadeye Build Rate

The time it takes to get 2 counters headshots with Thunderproof's lowered accumulation roof is significant, but you sack a lot of your damage as a result.

Thunderproof is only useful for initial build into Deadeye, once you're actually in Deadeye you will always pop a DT via Thunder Charge

[autumn badger]

I figured bow would be better for mobbbing re easier deadeye and building into blasts, interesting

[quaint girder]

So Thunderproof in essence would be dead once Deadeye is up

[fierce light]

As far as Musket, here are the breakpoints for Deadeye Build Rate.

• Ctr = Counterstrike

[quaint girder]

Sorry let me rephrase that. Musket is better in mobbing situations where you can use Feria F to build up DT

[autumn badger]

not being able to dodge and the wonky sens makes musket feel so shoehorned into only dueling specific bosses

ah, fair. I didn't think about building dt to proc deadeye faster

[quaint girder]

Yeah they tried to make a turret build that forces you into Thunder Charge

Which is already clunky with its sliding forward with Skyrender Reload PLUS the counter animation

[autumn badger]

I mean when it works it's cool but not being able to defuse makes it pretty non-functional at the only think it would do wel?

[quaint girder]

It's hard to say. It's probably good in Enigma and Nirriti's.

Specifically Trios

[autumn badger]

but wouldn't fishing for counters be harder in trios?

[quaint girder]

Enigma because if you have a Frontliner, it doesn't really matter. The boss will always be spawning in the same place so you don't need to be moving.

[quaint girder]

That's the thing. You ignore Deadeye Build Rate and initial DT Counters before deadeye

You just make the entire Enigma run efficient

Make it so that the bosses keep spawning in the same place

So once Deadeye is up, you are literally a turret that does Skyrender Headshot > DT Counter from Thunder Charge > Counterattack/Skyrender Headshot > Repeat Ad Nauseum

And you do it perched in a safe place so boss doesn't aggro you

[autumn badger]

that's a good point, I hadn't considered ultra cheese

[quaint girder]

So you basically use the first 2 boss spawns as Deadeye build up

Then just stay there for the next 7 bosses and just keep blastin

[fierce light]

Musket's a sniper essentially

[quaint girder]

For Yama's it's probably not going to be viable because the buildup takes too long and there's just too much risk

Bow will probably be more viable in Yama's

[autumn badger]

if the counter also counted as a defuse it would make a very solid bossing weapon

and cheap to build

[quaint girder]

If only

If they did that then meta would shift to three Deadeyes

[fierce light]

There's still the crazy PC tech where you fly

[quaint girder]

Using Repair Walking and Counters to perfectly dodge everything

[fierce light]

But I'm not even sure how they pulled that off, unless they removed it

[quaint girder]

Yerp this is Repair Walking

It still exists

[fierce light]

I noticed it still does the back flip when you hit from mid-air

[autumn badger]

I mean only if the numbers are crazy - surely deadeye doesn't like, outdo the other standard stuff by THAT much?

I'll have to learn flight cheese I guess

[quaint girder]

The top 20 players in PvP NA constantly pull it off and since you need to swap to ranged pull it off, it's even easier to do

[quaint girder]

Hoo boi

Dark outdamaged an average Zippy player (myself) by a magnitude of 1 million

[autumn badger]

I had figured it was both mediocre and also janky ocmpared to top end stuff, which is why it was still under construction

so the continued work is "jank but worth it" - interesting

[quaint girder]

It's not technically janky

[fierce light]

I got a duo run with John earlier

[quaint girder]

It just uses a lot of unexpected jades because it has limited support

[autumn badger]

the animation locks are pretty obnoxious idk

[quaint girder]

Was John also running Deadeye?

[fierce light]

Granted we both made lots of mistakes and we probably need a trio to properly test

[quaint girder]

Or is that normal Ice Surge Justina?

[fierce light]

He was running Surge Justina

[quaint girder]

Oh shit

Yeah then Deadeye is comparable

[normal socket]

whats yall level

[quaint girder]

I bet if someone like Xilenced who has KBM advantage and Repair Walk tech, he could maximize the potential damage

[autumn badger]

but still being competitive with meta lady goop is pretty big

[fierce light]

77

[normal socket]

holyyyy

[quaint girder]

You're not even running Tessa either

[fierce light]

Why is it called repair walk?

[normal socket]

im stuck at 53 what am i supposed to do to level up, nitri is so boring man @fierce light

[quaint girder]

I think it's like using a hot swap into a ranged weapon and doing some sort of movement that basically gives you iframes

[fierce light]

Gotta trudge through lol

[fierce light]

I don't think that was the strat I had in mind

[normal socket]

ok which do u refer to spam haha

[quaint girder]

You'd have to ask @north lynx for some guidance on that tech, I'm a controller player so I can't even do the tech even if I tried

[quaint girder]

Nirriti's is most efficient

For now

[normal socket]

i meant which difficulty or do all give same xp

[autumn badger]

not me pressing the warframe bullet jump bind >.>

[quaint girder]

All the same

[normal socket]

or what is the difference between the 4

[quaint girder]

Only drops differ

Nightscream has all available drops

Legend is just for first time clear, season quest, and if you want to challenge yourself

Hard and Normal has same exp rates but significantly worse drop pool in terms of what's offered. The rate stays the same supposedly

[quaint girder]

Ah a fellow WF player

I enjoy mathing in that game too to make bad frames work like Baruuk

It's why I'm cooking on Deadeye

[fierce light]

I ran through Nightscream till I got all the new jades. Then Hard.

[normal socket]

gotcha, ty

[quaint girder]

But yeah, it looks like Musket will be great for Enigma. Then it will be viable for Nirriti's and Tempered Inferno.

[autumn badger]

baruuk is at least functional - you aren't cooking until you're on "replace mesa 4 with warcry and run muzzle flash" levels of chef

[quaint girder]

Lmaoooooo

I could make that work, but then I'd have to play solo so mobs don't instantly explode

By my teammates

[autumn badger]

I haven't played since the big reworks so idk if all my ultra jank tech still works - heat inherit nova was funny for a while

[quaint girder]

I redid my Trinity after rework. Over 2k energy max gives everyone 1k HP from her new passive, it's silly

But this is Showdown in Naraka not Warframe so steering back

Deadeye Musket will probably not be competitively viable for Yama's or Speedrun

But it probably can be used to complete Peak and Topaz

[autumn badger]

obnoxious that you can't bind multiple keys to the same function in naraka - a lot of weird tech would be very useful to double bind stuff

[fierce light]

It's a good thing they gave musket to heroes with strong abilities ig

Will help build up the charge of the first Thunder Surge

[autumn badger]

assuming this is the same video I'm looking at, I gather we're not using it to fly b/c slow musket animation and are instead just using it to cancel animations?

[fierce light]

Wouldn't be room to fly with Thunder Musket, but I could see it with Deadeye

[autumn badger]

yeah the video is just built around using it for double jump resets but the slow animation hang on musket doesn't seem to be long enough to enable that - I figure this is just for cancels to increase fire rate instead (re it being a dps conversation)

[fierce light]

Gonna be disappointed if they don't cook a Curio up for Ranged Weapons

[autumn badger]

what's the official position on macros?

also I must be missing something b/c the tech I'm watching does not seem faster than just dash cancel

[fierce light]

Wait, they activated Thunder Chain here

[autumn badger]

what am I missing, that's just normal dt parry stuff?

[fierce light]

Yeah but I thought you had to use a melee weapon to activate it

Unless that was just in the beta

[autumn badger]

yeah rifle can parry that's why it's built into dt, afaik?

that's new re the new season

[hidden creek]

the attack at the end of the vid

[fierce light]

Not the parry, the electric swords

[hidden creek]

that's thunder chain

[autumn badger]

I guess I'm looking at somethign totally different then - that just seems like normal rifle mechanics?

[fierce light]

I'll have to test it

[hidden creek]

what

[fierce light]

Thought the description of Thunder Chain mentioned an uncharged melee attack

[hidden creek]

do you even know what is a thunder chain

[autumn badger]

I was talking about the repair walk pc only tech

which afaik is just base mechanics and build independent

[fierce light]

I don't know what a Repair Walk looks like

[autumn badger]

that's what I'm trying to figure out

[hidden creek]

we're talking about this clip

what repair walk

[quaint girder]

Ask @north lynx

[hidden creek]

i don't care

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-whisper-gif-12866476

[quaint girder]

That's weird. Maybe should test. Maybe there's a translation error

[quaint girder]

It's a tech that lets you basically skywalk and ignore boss mechanics

Apparently very viable tech on Deadeye builds

[hidden creek]

isn't it just weapon swap airwalk tech

[quaint girder]

Where you just somehow float into the air and then ignore most of the attacks by the boss

[fierce light]

I guess that might be what I saw from a CN vid

[autumn badger]

is it? do you have a clip or a sequence of inputs?

[quaint girder]

I think it is, but Xilenced was touting how it's even better because we don't need to swap back to melee

[quaint girder]

Should be tested though, maybe we have this in the live version

If we don't then the removal of this feature may be an oversight

[hidden creek]

so repair airwalk?

https://youtu.be/SauW66vTlSw

[autumn badger]

and I've found a video explaining exactly this and how it's used to airwalk - but rifle has enough animation lag that it holds you out of the dodge until it's too late to hold airtime. if xilenced is doing it I'm obviously missing an input here

yeah that video

but rifle's animation lag doesn't seem to let you float long enough - I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing and why it would be relevant for dps as compared to just dash cancel on the ground

[hidden creek]

lmao even if you could do that who tf want to play like this for 10 mins

[north lynx]

You have to fire first on musket

Not very optimal

But doable!

[autumn badger]

ah ppl were touting it as your secret sauce - thanks for the clarification

[north lynx]

Oh I mean it's just a float tech to ignore the cringe boss mechanics, like you ignore the new bosses ult, the sand wolves when she traps you, the gold focus stuff

It was good vs erie manticore too

[hidden creek]

also

[north lynx]

You can do reg wep swap float
too

Or unarmed airwalk

[fierce light]

Yeah that sounds like too much

[north lynx]

Ranged is just easier

[hidden creek]

i think i know where the ghost hits on musket comes from

[autumn badger]

and get in uptime - I see now

[north lynx]

Idk I can do it from muscle memory so it's no big deal cause I've already learned it for pvp

Repair walk is significantly easier than allot of the other airwalks

[dusk plover]

Don’t worry I doubt it’s doable on 60fps unless you want to give yourself a hand cramp

[north lynx]

It is actually!

Repair walk is not barred to fps or ping thankfully

[fierce light]

I'm not going to play Musket anyway, but the video I saw of it made it look simple, aside from the aiming.

[north lynx]

The others kinda are tho

Sorta, people tell me you can wep swap air walk on any fps or ping

But I can't do it so

And unarmed float is tighter timing

[dusk plover]

So it’s just tight input timing then for once

[north lynx]

Yupp for once. I have 60 to 100 fps in br and I do it all the time. Idk on controller it might be weird but

[fierce light]

I saw a clip of someone shooting Skyrender Shots from the air repeatedly

[north lynx]

You'd have to try it

[fierce light]

Using Feria's ability to get more height

[dusk plover]

Yeah that’s the hand cramp part if you don’t have a pro controller with paddles on it lol

[north lynx]

Tbh showdown was were I would practice it, in the pre setup lobbies

[quaint girder]

Do tell

[fierce light]

The off center position maybe, alongside the weapon bloom.

[autumn badger]

that was what I thought - plus I'm rasonably sure that the weakspot hitbox gets occluded by arms and stuff

reasonably*

[hidden creek]

nvm it's not what i thought

also

can't seem to trigger thunder chain with just musket shots

prolly a beta thing only

[pearl fractal]

No because its a poison build i didnt put anything with ice on it

[fierce light]

Unfortunate. Probably thought it would be too strong

[hidden creek]

this happens in which stage?
some omens/bosses's attack could cause ur ice bar to increase also

[pearl fractal]

Entire runs wether its the isles or yamas, holoroth, the bar is ice only not poison like id assume it 100% should be

I had a poison build before season change and it showed the poison bar

[fierce light]

Ice meter? Like at the bottom left?

From standing in the Pestilent pools?

[misty bridge]

So where is the musket build I need it

🥺

[autumn badger]

pinned

at least the DT one is, I'll go dig for the other one

[autumn badger]

I assume they mean this one

[quaint girder]

Yep that one is it

[autumn badger]

is the only source of skill resets that rare jade attibute?

attribute*

[hidden creek]

also

how about this classic tpull/counter build for musket lol

95% attack increase from souljades alone

can even ditch thunderproof for reawakening for another 35% attack

but gonna need to parry all 4 divine thunders

[fierce light]

Honestly could work. It'll have a slow start, but once you get Deadeye up, it shouldn't be hard to manage.

[north lynx]

Justina gets a skill reset on her f when frozen, and you can get skill cd as a stat.

[hidden creek]

yeah during deadeye it procs divine thunder in 3 headshots/weakpoint shots if you don't run thunder wielding

thus maintain spring's call and reawakening dmg boost

130% attack boost from soul jades alone

not really slow start if you consider feria can stack up thunder bar super quick with her F

so you go in, F, then shoot

[north lynx]

You use a repair to cancel a dodge animation midair so you can reset the jump

[fierce light]

Whoa

[fierce light]

You can get 2 Counterstrikes off in 1 Thunder Counter with this build

[north lynx]

Yeah you parry CA dodge parry CA

[hidden creek]

nah don't need to

[north lynx]

I do it in yamas when I have sheer momentum

[hidden creek]

if you run thunderproof

can just parry shoot parry

if you don't run thunderproof but go for reawakening gonna need to stay still after parried 1st divine thunder, fire rate will be lower but that 35% dmg boost is something

[north lynx]

Doesn't CA do more? Why wouldn't you do it

[fierce light]

Can confirm Thunder Chain doesn't work for Musket

[north lynx]

Ig it depends on how many shots in an allotted time you can do in comparison to parry ca dodge parry ca?

And if that's more

But the ca should just be more

[hidden creek]

what ca?

[north lynx]

Counterattack

[hidden creek]

wdym

[autumn badger]

parry

[hidden creek]

i'm on musket what counterattack

[cursive fable]

anyone able to solo nightscream windswept atm?

[north lynx]

I have, so has Dark

[cursive fable]

which char?

[north lynx]

Wuchen but I kinda slam wuchen even when he's not the best

So it doesn't mean much

[cursive fable]

zipin best for solo?

[north lynx]

Idk. She's probably good tho yeah

[cursive fable]

i got it to the wolf phase 40%

and then i just got grabbed by the wolf boss

and oneshotted

[hidden creek]

@fierce light honestly i think this classic tcounter springcall build is the strongest musket build lol

[fierce light]

Probably so. Her Ultimate pretty much makes you invincible with how much it heals.

[river stratus]

atk , dmg to boss , weapon dmg, divine thunder ? no rare stats interesting

[hidden creek]

no dthunder dmg, tpull tcounter are there just to active spring's call/reawakening dmg boost

attk dmg to boss ranged weapon dmg

[fierce light]

Yeah probably so. Think it's possible to have Spring's Call up constantly.

[cursive fable]

who is the best musket char?

@hidden creek

returning soon

[hidden creek]

yeah ik

[fierce light]

Possibly Valda since her Skill is decent and her Ultimate is better

[autumn badger]

afaik faeria if you're running any kind of DT to farm thundershock with her f

[hidden creek]

can't believe u guys didn't think of it lmao

[cursive fable]

well if i dont have 1m silk in game

better work overtime irl lol

for that nunnie

[hidden creek]

lol this time it gonna be much harder than last time to win the bid

since the number of players who got 1m+ silk increased alot

thanks to their previous events

[cursive fable]

last time was 10% chance

wait do all 5 regions bid at the same time?

[hidden creek]

nah

as sea eu na

cn not included

[cursive fable]

ya. 4 regions bidding at the same time

for the 40 nunnies

[hidden creek]

mhmm

[unreal fulcrum]

Is there any particular mission that's efficient to run for Showdown levels or just any?

[hidden creek]

any as long as you spend your fatigue

[unreal fulcrum]

Gotcha

[cursive fable]

i can solo ruins legend

[unreal fulcrum]

Still adjusting to coming back to Showdown, the changes are a bit weird

[river stratus]

spring call + scarlet guanyin even better

[cursive fable]

but i cant do nightscream waste wtf

[unreal fulcrum]

I was used to it scaling by your souljade level

[wind light]

can Frostbite Surge suitable for any hero ?

[fierce light]

Well I was thinking along the lines of maximizing Counterstrikes since they hit 23% harder than Skyrender Shots.

[wind light]

or its for justina gu only

i was going to change my build but not sure

[fierce light]

They made it simpler tbh. No more having to find tricks to get the most Souljades to level faster. Now you just run what you want since they have essentially the same pay out. If you're running boosters though, lower fatigue missions will consume them faster.

[wind light]

yo should i wait more to change my build

[fierce light]

What build did you have

[wind light]

the old meta lotus ice

[fierce light]

Then you can move on to Ice Lotus Chain no problem

Just replaces 2 jades

[wind light]

appriciate

[cursive fable]

@north lynx hi bro

would you say the bombing jade for flying knive is still op in pvp(solo)?

[unreal fulcrum]

Still gotta grind the same mission over and over for a specific souljade though?

[cursive fable]

hi dark

[fierce light]

Yeah, that process hasn't changed. But you're no longer held back by focusing Sense Levels the first couple weeks.

[fierce light]

Hey

[cursive fable]

you ruinng topaz next week?

or ruins

[unreal fulcrum]

I never really had much issue getting my souljades upgraded but we'll see how this works out

Does seem like there's more of an emphasis on getting those counter windows down though

[fierce light]

Probably Ruins till I hit 81

[cursive fable]

nightscream difficulty solo?

nightscraem ruins seems pretty easy atm

just a lil longer than hard difficutly

[north lynx]

Yeah it's still very good

[fierce light]

Yeah, better drop pool, but takes longer.

[hidden creek]

weird, my skyrender shots does more damage

[fierce light]

Don't have on Thunder Smash?

[hidden creek]

oh that

[lapis heron]

hi guys is it scorching build not working anymore?

[fierce light]

It still works, it just got nerfed.

[lapis heron]

thinking of decontruct them to get flux shard lol

now thunder chain build or ice build better?

[fierce light]

Ice build for most since Thunder Surge can be unsafe for melee.

Tianhai would like Thunder Surge though

[lapis heron]

arhhhh

i got thunder chain jade dont have ice chain souljade

so scorching build jz can delete?

[fierce light]

I'd wait till you get all the new jades you need at least

[lapis heron]

oh okok it takes me so long to get scorching build

[hard storm]

How do you deconstruct to get flux shards?

[turbid agate]

Is thundrrshock surge viable on every character? Hard to play? Is there a hybrid version like ice lotus chain? @fierce light

[tacit nest]

i missed so much

[turbid agate]

Sorry for all the questions 😅

[tacit nest]

not even funny

[turbid agate]

Damn where u been it? Never see u on

[tacit nest]

i dont even know whats going on lol

in the game

[tacit nest]

i got this great new job lol, just been taking so much time

[turbid agate]

That's what's up, congrats dude.

[tacit nest]

i log on i see i made top 5 yamas last season so that was pretty sick haha

[topaz night]

can someone tell me whats [deadeye build rate] max value roll?

[tacit nest]

couldnt quite catch up with the goats @fierce light and @twin ledge

lol

but it was hella fun trying

[autumn badger]

10% iirc

[fierce light]

It's best on Tianhai/Viper off the top of my head. It does have a risky playstyle of repetitive Counterstrikes, but not reliant on Moderation like Ice builds.

As far as hybrid builds though, I don't think so. At most you could replace Thunderproof with something. Thunder Musket would probably be better.

[topaz night]

okay thanks, trying to reroll a rare into normal stat

[autumn badger]

oof

[turbid agate]

For in general use for all characters would y recommend it or stick w thunder lotus counter?

[hidden creek]

it's insanely dumb tbh

better just get ice surge or ice lotus chain

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus Chain is so easy to use

[hidden creek]

like

the gameplay is

[tacit nest]

dark whats the meta this season bro

i been gone a min

[turbid agate]

I want to make a thunder build tho lol

[hidden creek]

getting into thunder surge then just counter > counter attack > counter > counterattack...

it's dumb ah

and so clunky

[fierce light]

As far as Thunder goes, they went the route of extending the counters rather than helping its charge time

[fierce light]

Ice still meta.

[north lynx]

All while nerfing burn so that thunder never has a chance

At least the musket build is cool

And yeah valda is the best, just because her f doesn't require you to be near the boss like ferias, and better ult

[fierce light]

Dang playing that S6 music gives me nostalgia

[tacit nest]

how many days has the new showdonw season been out for

??

[fierce light]

Last Wednesday

[tacit nest]

dark how tf is you so high in level then

mannnnnnnn

😭

slow down

[fierce light]

It's almost fatigue reset wdym

77 is pretty much like reaching 1100 the first week from 700

[tacit nest]

oh word, i havent played much it looked a lil confusing

[turbid agate]

Damn sucks that thunder sucks or is clunky lol. It has so much potential and is super cool

They need to make a jade like the ring from ruins that adds those 6 Xtra attacks after a counter attack

[fierce light]

Best bet is using Musket or Tianhai for Thunder

[balmy coral]

Has anybody gotten this ring yet?

and then there's this

[fierce light]

Yeah you get the rock first then Inferno hero

Yeah ~10-15% Deadeye Build Rate seems to be the sweet spot for Bow.

[signal kite]

It returns on the same date of every year ?

[signal kite]

What are nunnies ?

[autumn badger]

nunchucks

[signal kite]

Whoaa

[hidden creek]

ok how about this?

🤣

[turbid agate]

[wind light]

with every new build you made, how did you figure it out

im curious

[fierce light]

It's a matter of figuring out the core of a build's damage and finding what synergizes with it best Vertically. For Ice Build for example, it wants to do Ice Blast DMG.

• Frostbite Chain, Elemental Lotus + Ghastbloom and Successive Ice Blast all provide additional multipliers to Ice Blast DMG.
• Element Surge & Frozen Blast serve to provide alternative multipliers to increase its DPS.
• • Element Surge Ice-Wielding increases accumulation rate, multiplying the proc rate.
• • Frozen Blast reduces the cooldown of Ice Blast, further multiplying the possible activation rate.

If there's no further way to scale Vertically, then I look for the best Horizontal option.

[hidden creek]

why i can't change aerial rend element in training room

[fierce light]

Weird, should be a toggle at the top

[hidden creek]

even when i checked this it's still ice

[woven musk]

i used to prefer thunder builds before showdown season was a thing, then I tried ice builds and never turned back

[fierce light]

You unequip and equip it back on?

[hidden creek]

yes

[fierce light]

Weird

[hidden creek]

even try to exit training room then re-enter

same with every other wielding jades

[hidden creek]

meh

thunder is cool

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-cool-dance-thunder-gif-12888759

[fierce light]

@hidden creek @quaint girder so I did some more test runs with John & Gab:
-# Gab was trolling with their build.

This is with John missing 2 Windfalls from Frost Surge, but otherwise maxed stats. And me with about 50% of the Attributes I need.

Souljades

• Backfire, Desperation, Element Surge, Craftmanship, Toxic Arrows, & Scattershot Enhance.

[hidden creek]

so bow op?

btw the thunder surge build sucks on literally everyone
maybe monk ok but idc bout monk

[fierce light]

Even with Musket?

[hidden creek]

doesn't looks like it could out damage spring thunder

like

brro

[fierce light]

Oh gotcha

[hidden creek]

• thunder element surge: give u just 10% attack increase and 40% dthunder dmg ADDITIVELY, if u run 2x wf on each jade that's 360% thunder dmg, +40% it's 400 which means only 10% dthunder dmg increase
• thunder charge: allows you to proc dthunder with 1 counterattack during thunder surge, but you only get 1 dthunder and you need 6 of it to proc thunder chain

it's like thunder charge and thunder chain was made against eachother

[fierce light]

Well regular Thunder Counter is kinda overkill for it

4 Thunder Counter + 1 Divine Thunder

So you're pretty much always over shooting it

But yeah it probably is quicker overall.

[hidden creek]

idk if this is possible

but like

if you can make a rotation

that include 1 divine thunder + 4 thunder counter + 1 divine thunder

that's 6 instances of divine thunder dmg dealt

= thunder chain on next melee uncharged

[fierce light]

Unlikely