👾┃showdown

[quaint girder]

Also

if you're skilled enough you should be able to keep deadeye up indefinitely

[hidden creek]

but wouldn't you want this if you gonna run ice bow?

or it doesn't works/doesn't matters

[quaint girder]

DPS loss from Desperation/Renew is lost if you don't go green

[fierce light]

Void Destroyer surpasses the 40x multiplier threshold, so it's guaranteed to proc any element.

[quaint girder]

Red is required because of bow's intense ammow economy

[fierce light]

Not even including the bonus accumulation from the elemental arrows themself

[quaint girder]

yep yep

[hidden creek]

fair

[quaint girder]

Zero what about this for poison?

[fierce light]

Also Element is just going to be a small portion of your damage anyway

[quaint girder]

Basically you pop pool and actually become a melee ranged

and pop the surge buffs on the tree

by running into your own pool lmao

[fierce light]

One Void Destroyer does the damage of 6.75 Successive Ice Blasts 💀

[fierce light]

That's for Musket?

[quaint girder]

perma 12% buff using pestilent pool

[fierce light]

Oh yeah Feria.

[quaint girder]

yeah I was playing around with the idea of maximizing the use of potential tree

but wasn't sure if the multipliers added up

Musket doesn't need red tree as much because of Skyrender

[fierce light]

Well I haven't done as much testing on Musket, but I noticed on Bow that elemental arrows decreases the multiplier for headshots & weakpoints hits significantly.

• Headshots: x1.5 -> x1.05
• Weakpoint Hits: x1.25 -> x1.025

[quaint girder]

Oh shit

meaning that if you put a 6x element on something it potentially gimps your damage

[fierce light]

So you really just got to hit them, don't have to bother aiming too hard really lol

[quaint girder]

oh

mb i got it backwards

basically elements pop super easy

[fierce light]

I'm talking about Frost Arrows, Toxic Arrows, etc

[quaint girder]

Could Bow make use of this Poison Build or is the Ice Multipliers too good to give up?

[fierce light]

Musket seems to work differently from the little testing I did

It applies a DoT instead for Musket

[quaint girder]

Yeah

its not very effective, the ticks stagger enemies so its hard to do followup shots

[fierce light]

I think you want to stick to this in general for any Bow build.

[quaint girder]

Gotcha so Poison isn't as viable.

oh gods

what if Feria's ideal build is a melee Toxic Chain F spam melee musket build

what have I done

[fierce light]

Toxin Blast might do slightly more than a Void Destroyer (48x vs 46.24x), but it'll take 12s to even activate, unless you're mobbing.

[quaint girder]

even on bow?

[fierce light]

That and there's no dedicated attribute for Toxin Blast like Bow has Ranged Weapon DMG.

[fierce light]

Yeah, Poison Blast every 6s.
3 stacks of Toxified per Blast.

• Noxious Blast (+1), Pestilent Pool (+2).
  So Toxin Blast every 12s.

[quaint girder]

Toxin Blast is different from Poison Blast?

[quaint girder]

ah damn it's stack/time gated

Bow has the upfront burst already, and Void Destroyer already has insane multipliers/multishot

[fierce light]

Yes, Poison Blast has a measly 4.06x multiplier. Toxin Blast is 48x

[quaint girder]

No need for additional buffs from Poison because Ice damage pops instantly

hmm

[fierce light]

Bow is pretty complete, just a matter of what element you prefer lol

[quaint girder]

Can we make use of Element Fury or Element Afterglow buffs or are the modifers too small?

[fierce light]

Or really can run whatever elements you want, the damage is inconsequential for Bow

[fierce light]

Require too many jades to make use of

Well hmm

[quaint girder]

I sent you the poison build

you can pop pool

stand in it

pop toxic surge

[fierce light]

Nvm

[quaint girder]

and then get a buff

[quaint girder]

here

Am trying to maximize potential, but I wasn't familiar with the coefficients/modifiers so my data was incomplete

[fierce light]

• +20% Element Surge
• +12% during Surge
• +12% after first Surge

44% greater than the 40% from Renewed Vigor + Backfire.

However, it requires you to be close enough to get poisoned.

[quaint girder]

isn't it 32% actually?

[fierce light]

They're all on my sheet

[quaint girder]

since one happens during the surge and on happens after?

[quaint girder]

I don't know how to do the maths, I need to be ELI5'd later in DMs or something

[fierce light]

The one after can still be active during a surge

[quaint girder]

ooh shit

[fierce light]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mFC-5BBNE49KBiTL_vjerDu-Dr8S3309pLkJZRp0D18/edit?gid=51462774#gid=51462774

You can ignore the exact dmg calculations, since I don't know how the new Sense Suppression system works.

[quaint girder]

gotcha

[fierce light]

But the DMG Coefficients are accurate.

[quaint girder]

hmm

[fierce light]

DMG Coefficient just being the multiplier on your Attack, before DMG Bonuses.

[quaint girder]

would Desperation/Renewed be additive to Surge/Potentials?

[fierce light]

Desperation would add onto DMG to Bosses and Ranged Weapon DMG.

[hidden creek]

so what attributes you want on ranged builds
do we want ranged dmg?

[quaint girder]

Ranged DMG, ATK, and DMG to boss are musts

[fierce light]

Attack, DMG to Bosses, & Ranged Weapon DMG the main 3.

[hidden creek]

then 1 wf each jade? lol

[quaint girder]

the rest is balancing between Deadeye Accumulation to get started and elemental damage and or windfalls

[quaint girder]

seems like it

[fierce light]

After that it's more of the utility attributes to help your uptime:

• Deadeye Build Rate, No Depletion: Weapon Repair Kit, etc

[hidden creek]

interesting

seems cheap

[quaint girder]

continue with this

[fierce light]

You can get away with no rares for Ranged build.

[quaint girder]

it is, but you really need to have a party

[fierce light]

Hmm?

[hidden creek]

i always got parties

[quaint girder]

in particular a transformer who can draw aggro is preferred so you don't get targeted by attacks

[fierce light]

Oh, Renewed Vigor would add onto the Attack from Surge and stuff.

[quaint girder]

You were comparing 44% to 40% which was why I was asking

[fierce light]

Ah I guess I should check if the Potential bonuses are additive or not

[quaint girder]

I'm used to Warframe's modding system where most buffs are additive and the rare multiplicative buffs are always am ust

[fierce light]

Sometimes they like to randomly make them multiplicative.

[quaint girder]

If it's multiplicative that's a lot of DPS and worth looking into

[fierce light]

Yeah that would also hurt the prospects of Ice Lotus Chain

[quaint girder]

if its additive then you'd drop one or the other and look for better multiplicative buffs

indeed

That's the big blocker for me, is it worth trying this melee ranged poison pool build

Bow is basically solved, but now its a matter of figuring out Musket. Musket has much more better ammo economy. With Scarlet Guanyin it should theoretically hit similar thresholds as Bow Void Destroyer headshots

but the issue is how to fill in the rest of the SJ/Potential board.

[fierce light]

Ah nvm Musket's headshot and weakpoint multipliers aren't affected by Elemental Jades I remember

Just the extra elemental DoT isn't considered in the multipliers.

Not that they hit particularly hard anyway, might not be worth

[quaint girder]

its pretty weak then so we're focusing primarily on Attack+ Jades

[fierce light]

Lol I could get started on a bow build right now

Luckily had each jade with somewhat decent stats.

Elemental Afterglow is additive (thank God)/

[quaint girder]

if you have the resources, you should at least test with Ranged ATK, ATK, and Damage to Boss to keep the costs low

[clear badger]

Assuming i have all new jades, what build should I run on Zip/Tessa? Ice build in general i guess?

[quaint girder]

Fury is as well?

[quaint girder]

yes

[quaint girder]

goodie, then my melee Poison Feria may have a chance at living

[fierce light]

Element Fury is additive as well.

[quaint girder]

woooo

[fierce light]

[quaint girder]

Man, my build will be so impractical

[fierce light]

I'm not going for any rares on the build

Since it has so many valuable attributes

[quaint girder]

It still stands that Bow's Void Destroyer doesn't need the Afterglow/Fury because of Bow's insane coefficients just popping elemental damage left and right that quickly accumulates

Or....

[fierce light]

Yeah I would still stick to the Renewed Vigor + Backfire version

[quaint girder]

lol

[fierce light]

Pestilent Pool requires you to be somewhat close.

[clear badger]

Ty. Makes sense with both having easy and fast accumulation. The jade build is same as in pins right? (Ele Surge, Succesive IB, Dephts Blast, Frost Chain, Chill spike and Fr. Blaat). Sorry for asking much, its my first showdown season participating from start of it.

[fierce light]

Yeah that's Frostbite Surge (as termed in-game).

[quaint girder]

Yep

you got it

So yeah, then unlike bow that can rely on elemental accumulation

Musket needs to lean heavily into base damage modifiers instead.

[fierce light]

I did come up with a new one that seems to be slightly better and significantly easier to play though:

Ice Lotus Chain

• Successive Ice Blast
• Frozen Blast
• Element Surge
• Frostbite Chain
• Elemental Lotus
• Ghastbloom

Frostbite Surge is likely the BiS for Justina Gu though.

[clear badger]

Ty both Gotta slowly work on rares for 4x mod and rest WF.

[river stratus]

@quaint girder where do you find that musket jade scarlet guanyin?

[quaint girder]

It's a Commemorative Jade from previous Seasons

If you collected it in the past it should appear in the narakapedia and can be remade for 2 fragments

If you're a new player, you can just use Shattered Edge. It's a slight DPS loss, but not headshot dependent

[fierce light]

Musket looking like the Skill-Check Ranged Weapon

While Bow is more unga-bunga

[river stratus]

find thx

👌🏻

[fierce light]

Alright ima take a little break before I test Musket

[hidden creek]

can just use shattered edge instead of backfire lol

the difference is prolly unnoticeable and you don't lose your whole hp bar

[river stratus]

but with full hp how you activate renewed vigor

[hidden creek]

it will still be active

the jade effect is ''when you gain recovery effect'' not ''when you recovery''

[river stratus]

oh

[hidden creek]

wait a minute

looks like it doesn't works like that anymore
weird that they changed it, i used to rock the thunderheal and renewed vigor combo when i first started showdown
and why tf thunderheal got a 10s cd now lmfao
oh well backfire it is then

[turbid agate]

Is this viable at all compared to ice surge? Like a big drop off in damage?

[fierce light]

Yeah i was thinking that too, till I noticed Renewed Vigor wasn't activating.

[fierce light]

It got me faster runs in Yama's and it parses slightly better for Ziping at least. Honestly if you can't defuse the freeze consistently, it's likely always better except for on Justina.

[hidden creek]

yea dunno why they changed it tho

no one even uses that jade

[fierce light]

I remember running it with Soul Shiver.

[hidden creek]

this time they really thought about it huh

can't let a build with 0 penalty exist

[quaint girder]

Is it not activating?

Should we swap it off for Shattered instead then?

[hidden creek]

it won't active if ur hp is full

[quaint girder]

Ahh

Desperation reduces HP, but maybe the Deadeye Potential healing is too high

[hidden creek]

nah

they changed it

back then its dmg boost effect still happens even if your hp and armor are full

as long as you receive a recovery effect

but now if you're not actually healing the dmg boost won't active

[quaint girder]

Hmm

In theory

Desperation should cause HP loss which the Potential heals back so the buff should be almost 100% uptime

[turbid agate]

Ok ty! Na defusing the ice is easy. Unless it different w the new build? I haven't used it yet

[quaint girder]

But I can also see that if you get overhealed, you'll lose the buff and it's a massive loss

Vs the persistent 18%

[hidden creek]

eh no i was talking about shattered edge replace backfire not vigor, so we still got vigor dmg boost effect w/o losing hp
but vigor now need you to actually heal to active so

[wind light]

any new vids guide how to beat new boss

[hidden creek]

but yeah ig we can also replace vigor with shattered edge, that 2% diff is like nothing

[wind light]

i cant remember their attack

[fierce light]

It occurs lot more often.

It was easy when I played on my gaming laptop, but it's a pain on Xbox

[fierce light]

It's working now?

Swear it wasn't when I tested it

[hidden creek]

huh no

[fierce light]

It would be a pain to try to record from my Xbox (cause I'd have to upload each individual clip to then download). All I can say really is go in solo and practice dodging-only. You'll pick up on her attack patterns quickly.

She does have a few attacks you have to jump over though, mind you

[turbid agate]

oh ok. damn, ur trenching it on console dark and still better than everyone lol

[fierce light]

Oh you're replacing Vigor?

[hidden creek]

i wanted to run vigor + shattered edge (20% + 18%) instead of vigor + backfire (20% + 20%), only 2% attack diff and i won't lose hp cuz no backfire, cuz i remember vigor dmg boost effect is active ''when you receive recovery effect'', even if you don't actually heal, but they changed it, now you actually need to heal for vigor to active

so yeah now can only run shattered edge + backfire or vigor + backfire

[summer ridge]

Create a new loadout

You don’t have to get rid of the original

[quaint girder]

Yep, Shattered Edge givesore consistency at the cost of high theoreticals

This build checks out

[timid stirrup]

What replaces scaarlet guanyin if we don't have it?

[hidden creek]

tbf the difference in damage is unoticeable

[wind light]

thank you sir

[hidden creek]

because it's not 2% dmg diff

it's prolly like less than 0.5% or something

cuz our total attack % is like 200%++ lol
200 and 202% what's the difference

[quaint girder]

From testing I had 36k on aegis break vs 35k when swapped

So it's about like a 1k loss per shot

[hidden creek]

in training room is it

that's bcoz you don't have attack % on soul jades

the higher it goes, the heavier diminishing returns it gets

[quaint girder]

It's because it's additive

Hmm

[fierce light]

Yeah at max build (4% Attack per Souljade, no Windfalls), you'd be at 36% Attack bonus, with 20% from Backfire that's 56%.

• Renewed Vigor would be a 12.8% DPS increase during Deadeye.
• Shattered Edge would be an 11.5% DPS increase while shooting.

[hidden creek]

this include windfalls yet or not?

[fierce light]

About a 1.1% difference

[hidden creek]

yea lol

[fierce light]

No

[hidden creek]

and then that 1.1% diff will decrease even more when it gets added onto the total dmg equation

[quaint girder]

With windfalls then even less

Hmm

Then it might be better just to sack Renew all together in favor of shattered edge

Ooooo my brain juices are excited

[hidden creek]

yea shattered edge looks much more consistent

[river stratus]

bolt mastery have same consistency as shattered edge

[fierce light]

Quick Attack better than Bolt Mastery if you're considering it.

Some reason Bow doesn't deactivate it

[hidden creek]

and get rid of renewal vigor allows us to not taking the green node that heals u during deadeye, tho idk if there's another node that worth taking

[fierce light]

There's not really any other nodes to consider

[timid stirrup]

is ice lotus chain better than frost surge for matari?

[fierce light]

Well I guess go for the 4.5% Attack one?

[fierce light]

Without any testing, I can say yes.

Not having to defuse and being able to purely stay flying, using your skill right on reset works well

[hidden creek]

wait what

lmao

bow charge attack isn't considered a charge attack?

[summer ridge]

What gives out the best xp

[fierce light]

Only charged melee attacks seem to

[summer ridge]

I have yet to unlock doom mode

[timid stirrup]

what replaces scarlet guanyin in the poison musket build for plaayers who cant get scralet?

[fierce light]

It's just based on fatigue spent, Nirriti's Ruins is the most efficient for boosters though.

[quaint girder]

Shattered Edge, but we're still cooking

Update is coming soon again

[timid stirrup]

ok cool. i thought it was shattered edge that i read earlier but then it looked like the convo was back on bow so i wasnt sure

[quaint girder]

You should still take it, there aren't many support nodes for Deadeye

[timid stirrup]

thank you good sir

[hidden creek]

yea ig

[fierce light]

Alright done with my break gonna test musket

[quaint girder]

Yeeeey

[quaint girder]

Also Dark

We can also consider Aegis Shot Break as a side grade utility

Where Musket can actually be an Aegis Breaker especially when paired with Valda's abilities

[fierce light]

Gonna help a friend

[fierce light]

Fair, it's rate of fire is probably good for that

[quaint girder]

Especially with Deadeye

That rapid fire headshot is kinda insane

If your frames are fast enough you can hold aim input and rapidly tap fire without the game actually zooming down the sights

[fierce light]

The regular shots, not Skyrender?

[quaint girder]

Skyrender Shots

its really cool

[fierce light]

Seems slower

I'll see in a bit after I finish helping my friend

[quaint girder]

I tested with the two Potential Bursts. I feel like I can push this build even higher if I do substats correctly

I went from 36k to 40k by doing Afterglow and Fury

But I have to position properly at the edge of the pool to get the buff and not be in front of the bosses face

[fierce light]

Pretty much gotta be in melee range though?

[quaint girder]

Also another issue is that Skyrender's reload animations slide you closer to your target very slowly, but after 10 shots you can tell that you definitely moved

Void Destroyer does the opposite and pushes you slightly more away

[drifting lance]

🎉 | JustNaes leveled up!

[quaint girder]

Yeah

Is it practical? Probably not, but we're trying to max numbers then work our way down

Hmmm

Maybe we can revisit Thunder Surge, but I feel like it's still too clunky

[hidden creek]

what about this build?

[fierce light]

Going for Elemental DMG is a waste for Bow

It's horizontal investment

[quaint girder]

Void Destroyer already strong with that ridiculous 40x coefficient

[hidden creek]

nah not taking ice blast dmg

stats are the same

i'm finding a way to make use of the last 2 potential nodes

cuz we got 2 to spare

and i want to take the during and after surge dmg boost node

[fierce light]

Ah

3 jades for 39% Attack

[hidden creek]

so
element surge: 15% dmg
subzero seal: 20%
succ ice blast and depth blast is just to increase my ice metter to get to surge state
and i benefits from those 2 nodes

12% during surge state and another 12% for 30s when it ends

and those 2 could stacks

[summer ridge]

Ty nirriti man

Does being in party give boost too

[fierce light]

Oh you got rid of the utility jades

[drifting lance]

🎉 | JRDN leveled up!

[quaint girder]

@hidden creek what about ammo economy

You're going to have very high burst but reloading is gonna hurt the DPS a bit

[hidden creek]

idk it doesn't seems like i need to reload that much

wait imma upload the vid

[quaint girder]

Did you turn off reload in Training?

[hidden creek]

https://streamable.com/fdcjh8

i did

[river stratus]

with this i got 23k headshot boss up, lev 76

[quaint girder]

That quick weapon swap defuse

If you're playing Justina you can just ignore and F lol

[hidden creek]

yea i realized it later

[quaint girder]

But yeah, then it's possible to do defuse swapping

But it's kind of a pain

I think Zero is also a controller player

[hidden creek]

just play justina lel

[quaint girder]

We'd have to rebind everything to do swapping on anyone else

[hidden creek]

also

[quaint girder]

Hmm

Maybe Justina makes that specific Ice Surge build viable

Reload didn't look too bad there

[hidden creek]

since sshot enhance allows you to proc element blast so easy

you don'tneed to run 6x ice

i do 3 ice 3 poison in the vid

so my ice bar stack up faster

1 scaterred shot enhance = 1 ice blast = full ice bar = surge state

so you enter surge state super quick

after it ran out

so you can maintain both dmg boost from both potential node

that's 12+12 = 24% attack inc

[quaint girder]

I wonder if the DPS is comparable to giving up the Desperation/Renewal combo

[hidden creek]

yeah that's the question lmfao

[quaint girder]

In theory this element build is done easily on Justina, but it just depends on Void Destroyer's modifiers

So Void Destroyer procs element easily with its coefficient, but more importantly it's just insane base damage to begin with

[summer ridge]

Hi

[quaint girder]

Which is why I think that raw attack might actually be better or at least that's what Zero was implying

[summer ridge]

Does harder nirriti give more xp

[quaint girder]

No, Showdown and Pass EXP is the same

Only difference is drop pool as well as completing quest requirements

If you finished farming all your quests and drops spamming normal is best

[hidden creek]

this is still raw attack build

take 0 ice blast dmg on this build

[summer ridge]

I still need to complete all nirriti quest

I unlocked legend

[quaint girder]

I should take a look too and see

[summer ridge]

I’m trying to beat this Yama abyss boss but he’s hard

[hidden creek]

on desperation renewal vigor build you got 40% attack boost from sj and that's it
but my build you got 15% (element surge) + 20% (subzero seal) + 12% (element fury potential) + 12% (element afterglow potential)

for a total of 59% attack boost

[summer ridge]

How do you get windfall

[quaint girder]

Reroll stats into it

It's a rare attribute so expect a lot of failures

[summer ridge]

Is it really good

[quaint girder]

But reload speed and self freeze are DPS losses for sustained damage

[summer ridge]

Also I just have to farm jades then huh

[quaint girder]

Your burst is probably much higher, but you'd suffer over the longer the fight is

[quaint girder]

Build dependent

[summer ridge]

[quaint girder]

Generally it's the safest investment out of the 3 rares since both Mod and Scorching you only take a max of 4 each

[hidden creek]

well reload speed is not even that big of a problem in the first place, as you can see for a whole 2 minutes of nonstop shooting i only had to reload once
self freeze just play justina, problem solved

[summer ridge]

I’m just trying to beat number 1 in abyss

[quaint girder]

Reload speed isn't an issue

It's more about the cumulative amount of time spent reloading

[hidden creek]

bruh

[quaint girder]

Wait

You're running red tree

Durh sorry brain farted

[hidden creek]

craftmanship decrease reload speed from 2.5s to 2 sec

0.5s every 2 mins

it's literally nothing

[hidden creek]

yea you gonna take same potential, same sj stats with vigor backfire build, as i said it's still a raw dmg build, the ice jades is just to get to surge state for that dmg boost from element surge and 2 surge potential nodes

[fierce light]

Backfire, Desperation, and Renewed Vigor would be more technically

But yeah yours is much safer

[river stratus]

but on a trio justina will be better on the new ice build, i would see rather temulch or tessa on bow build

[normal plover]

anyone want to do nightmare nitris ruins with me?

[quaint girder]

Do we include Desperation?

[normal plover]

or hARD

[fierce light]

If we're forgoing the utility Souljades

[quaint girder]

It only pops at 50% less HP, Shattered Edge seems more reliable

[hidden creek]

hmm yeah consider i took away all the utility jades

[fierce light]

I noticed you're dodge canceling your bow

So you have to start from Stage 0 instead of 1

[hidden creek]

what stage 0 and 1 lol

[fierce light]

You're pretty much guaranteed to be below 50% once your dead eye starts

[hidden creek]

it's a habit from pvp, dodge between shots so i can shoot faster

something wrong with it?

[quaint girder]

So Bows have two windup stages

[fierce light]

If you dodge after a stage 2, it'll set you back to stage 0

But if you pull again instead it'll put you at stage 1

[hidden creek]

ohhh

so just don't move eh

[quaint girder]

Stage 0 = Releasing Immediately
Stage 1 = Firing a semi-charged shot
Stage 2 = Firing a fully charged shot

[hidden creek]

so this is how ''basic'' bow build would looks like if we took away all the utility jades lmfao

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-more-power-power-power-up-spongebob-squarepants-gif-22777710

[quaint girder]

You need Stage 2 on precise release to pop off Void Destoryer

[quaint girder]

Basically

[hidden creek]

78% attk boost

wtf

[quaint girder]

Otherwise you waste little micro seconds on DPS with charging

[quaint girder]

Pretty hilarious lol

Your build is definitely more consistent and safe on Justina

But on Temmy and Tessa they gotta pull all the stops

ACTUALLY

Bow might be better on Tessa

With her F she buffs attack too

If that modifier applies to bows

Then she's definitely the Deadeye Queen for Bows

[fierce light]

58% Attack Bonus + 20% DMG Bonus

Forgot she's on Bow too

[hidden creek]

hmm

[fierce light]

Desperation boosts dmg

[quaint girder]

Yep

It does just a bit

[hidden creek]

welp ig there's no way to make use of those 2 potential points left

[quaint girder]

Tabbie I think your build is better for beginners and people who aren't confident in their sniping abilities

But this Desperation build is put on Tessa

[quaint girder]

Yeah it's a bummer

[hidden creek]

i really don't like the idea of running around with 0 hp

but eh

[quaint girder]

Hellhole says hello

Technically

The Red tree makes you immune to the burn and poison

But if a high level Yama's boss even sneezes you ded

[hidden creek]

nah only immune to death from burn and poison

and it make burn and poison damage ur armor

so if you don't heal ur armor

[quaint girder]

Oh shit

[fierce light]

Wtf

[hidden creek]

u gonna be at 1hp

[quaint girder]

You're actually at 1 HP

[hidden creek]

yep

[quaint girder]

As a Deadeye sniper

That's hilarious

[balmy coral]

@fierce light Ice lotus chain was actually better especially on matari and the default ice surge specifically on Justina

[quaint girder]

Wassup?

[fierce light]

Um

Idk what's happening

[hidden creek]

but?

[fierce light]

I'm entering Deadeye from my first shot

[hidden creek]

[quaint girder]

/Queue into Trios
/Player named Tessa'sFeet locks in with Deadeye build on Hellhole
/Stays at 1HP the entire game while out DPSing the Ziping
/Leaves without comment

[quaint girder]

?????

On Bow or Musket?

[river stratus]

on yama?

[fierce light]

Yama yeah

[quaint girder]

Oh shit lmao

[river stratus]

yes lol

[fierce light]

Bow

[quaint girder]

God I really want to max out potential so badly so I can test the bow build out

[river stratus]

you borrow back from the previous restart

[fierce light]

I didn't even recast anything yet, was just trying it

[fierce light]

Oh that's broken

[quaint girder]

Oh shit

Deadeye is actually goated

You setup Deadeye then QR then you immediately start blasting

That's hilarious, if they don't patch that Deadeye will be meta

Mark my words: Tianhai Thunder Surge Perma stun, Tessa Deadeye F spam, and Ziping always spinning to win

Will be the new Trios team comp

[fierce light]

That's going to be busted later on if they keep that

[quaint girder]

Absolutely

[hollow escarp]

would yushan shadow be worth using now? in nirriti it seems to be proccing constanntly

[fierce light]

No, especially not with Element Surge

Don't think it even works with it

[hollow escarp]

also is tundra might still works or is it element rush now?

[fierce light]

Oops sorry for the double ping

[fierce light]

Element Surge can replace Tundra Might

[hollow escarp]

so is this not good?

[fierce light]

That can work, but you're lacking any major sources of Ice DMG

Aside from Successive Ice Blast

[hollow escarp]

arent frozen blast and depth blast increase ice dmg?

[fierce light]

Yes, but you don't have any Lotus, Ice Thorns or Chain Crushes.

These all scale with Ice Blast DMG.

[hollow escarp]

that the new ice set then?

[fierce light]

Two new ice sets

They're in the pins

[hidden creek]

uhh

i didn't move at all and i still need to charge from stage 0?

[fierce light]

Weird

[hidden creek]

also after awhile, sometimes it doesn't let me get to 2nd stage

[balmy coral]

How come I get frozen after first use of F too

On Justina

[fierce light]

What're you using?

[hidden creek]

if you caused multiple ice blasts ur self ice metter gets filled easily

[quaint girder]

rip

So yeah, Tabbie's build is definitely the safer one

[hidden creek]

tf u mean rip

[quaint girder]

rip as in that Deadeye charge doesn't matter

[hollow escarp]

question what do we do with the blue jades now

[quaint girder]

so you can cancel dodge

meaning at this point Tabbie your build is viable, but it depend on if you want to max out damage at the cost of being as tanky as a paper plate

or if you want to deal with constant defusing

or just F as Justina lol

[hidden creek]

my build still got a perk

it makes you

GLOOOOOOOW

[quaint girder]

Tru

Cosmetics are everything

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/lucario-lucario-pokemon-aura-glowing-blue-gif-25620695

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-25163331

[quaint girder]

Basically

[crimson cave]

i guess its just 20 blues for a random purp/gold

they coupd have just turned them into a jade frags or whatever i cannot imagine someone ever using blue jade for anything

[summer ridge]

They should allow me to use blue jades to increase jade states

[hollow escarp]

Like i have so many blue from b4 patch that just there

And they take up space

How do i get rid of them now

[quaint girder]

@hidden creek I like your build

It's more practical but only on Justina

Specifically because she actually has movement tech and cancelling

When Frostbite is about to hit, you can actually use two dashes consecutively.

Pop the dash as soon as you see the Frostbite warning, then dash again when you're Frozen

It covers a lot of distance making it easy to reposition away from bad angles or boss aggro

[crimson cave]

just go to jade conversion

where you do 20 jades for 1

shittty ratio but idk what else could be done

[quaint girder]

Also there's dash canceling with aiming

[balmy coral]

Frost surge build

[hollow escarp]

Oooh right that was a thing

[fierce light]

You convert them for more jade fragments

[quaint girder]

It's super tight, but when you're Frozen you pop F and immediately input Aim to stop the dash to continue DPS

There's a lot of movement tech with Justina and Deadeye actually

[hollow escarp]

As in convert to jade then scrap?

[crimson cave]

may i ask what ping do you have on sea

[hollow escarp]

it was 50~60

[crimson cave]

its 33 in menu for me but gets to 50-60 in games i feel its sometimes too much or maybe inam justbthat bad lol

[fierce light]

Yeah, or if you get lucky, you get something you want or a Flux Jade fragment

[crimson cave]

so do you guys think this is viable?

[hollow escarp]

has anyone done the nightscream yet

[crimson cave]

im thinking if i should switch bolt mastery to toxin surge, but bolt mastery the only one with a red stat

[crimson cave]

ruins?

[hollow escarp]

the new stages

need 70 but im only 36

[summer ridge]

How

[summer ridge]

Pumpkin lady

[balmy coral]

Just play nirriti nightscream

[shut ether]

if my fatgue is capped, can i still level my showdown level?

[summer ridge]

My showdown enjoyers

[balmy coral]

Topaz is not so good atm to farm levels

[hollow escarp]

need to unlock the jade b4 they show up in nirriti no?

[crimson cave]

ah, i need the last one in morus isle to open the new boss in nightscream

[balmy coral]

Jades doesn't matter in nirtiti

[crimson cave]

i think he means fornthem to drop there

[hollow escarp]

no i mean the drop, i want the chain and spike ones

[crimson cave]

but ruins ns is the way to geind exp now thats true

[balmy coral]

I never knew that

[hollow escarp]

but they need to be unlocked from doing morus nightscream b4 showing up in nirriti right?

[fierce light]

You have Toxin Seep, why not using that? Over say Bolt Mastery.

[crimson cave]

cuz stats are shit and bolt mastery is windfall

I'm waiting for mats to imbue

[fierce light]

In the Souljade Conversion menu.

[crimson cave]

probably will switch after

or is ot worth switching even with shitty stats

[fierce light]

Yeah probably so as long as you're using Aegis-Break attacks a lot while in Elemental Surge

[crimson cave]

idk I sent you a request in game lol

[crimson cave]

im basically spamming dodge+verticals on matari 24/7

[hidden creek]

problem is idk how its dmg would looks like when comparing to desperation build lmao

can we actually compare them in training

we can no? they run the same potential plan and takes the same stats on sj anyway

also i just realize that i don't need subzero to proc ice blast with 1 void destroyer
it also just need 1 ice wielding lmao

also i can even use thunder/toxic arrows instead of frost arrow lmao

[fierce light]

Yeah whatever bonus accumulation it does is not even needed.

[quaint girder]

She's new. Her interactions directly with Ice Element is also new

[hidden creek]

thunder arrow looks

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[quaint girder]

But don't you want to keep Subzero for the 20% boost anyway?

Or would you sub it out for something else entirely

Wait

Would Miasma Drive work with Toxic Arrow?

That might push the damage a bit up

[hidden creek]

nah

miasma is toxified

[quaint girder]

Dang

[hidden creek]

toxic arrow is poison blast

[quaint girder]

Damn

[hidden creek]

i mean i can replace it with the uhh 18% attack increase when weap durability decrease jade

[quaint girder]

1 Ice Wielding and 5 poison

[hidden creek]

just 1 ice wielding the rest doesn't even matters lol

[quaint girder]

Hmm

Does more wielding increase elemental damage dealt?

If not you could just have a mixture of thunder and poison to spam procs lol

[hidden creek]

it does

but we're not going for elemental damage here anyway

[quaint girder]

Ofc, but it adds an additional layer of damage

Anything is nice to have now we solved the 1 Ice Wielding

[hidden creek]

actually

why do we need to equips frost arrow?

[fierce light]

Big part of its damage

[quaint girder]

This is musket

[hidden creek]

oh

i see

[fierce light]

Oh

Oh wait that's outdated anyway

Normal Bow:

Elemental Bow:

[hidden creek]

yeah ok this build does more damages

oh wait actually i don't have enough potential yet

i'll test later

if the dmg of my build is not too far behind then it's still a solid build

[fierce light]

Just lemme know what two builds yall are comparing and I can calc the damages later.

[hidden creek]

these 2

[fierce light]

Backfire + Desperation has an advantage in Free Training since Desperation gives a DMG Bonus. Can't get very many of those in there, so it's pretty much a x1.2 multiplier.

[quaint girder]

So I'm trying Deadeye, on controller is really damn hard to keep leading these jumping targets

Justina build gives a lot more forgiveness especially since you basically can have 100% Ulti Uptime

[fierce light]

What attributes are yall thinking of running as well

Meant to ask that.

[quaint girder]

Same as yours since the coefficient for Void Destroyer is crazy

[hidden creek]

yeah just attack/ranged dmg/dmg to boss

and 6x windfalls ig lmao

fuck those utility attributes

[quaint girder]

Especially since you can prime Deadeye in Yamas

[hidden creek]

then the boss sneeze and you became no eye just dead

[crimson cave]

this makes me sad a lil bit

[quaint girder]

Lmao

[fierce light]

So tanky damage vs glass cannon turret

I'm doing the 10 Enigma challenge atm

Can't wait till we hit 100

[quaint girder]

Basically, Tabbie's Ice Build feels really damn good on Justina

And outputs a respectable amount of damage

But compared to our glass turret build

[crimson cave]

i did this just coming in and getting out

fatigue at max anyway

gotta put those regular rune keys to use after all

[balmy coral]

Ye good to know since it's a pain whenever my F hits multiple enemies I straight get frozen

[fierce light]

Yeah it's just something to do

Gives us something to compare later when we hit 100 next week

[timid stirrup]

does 3 boss work for this or does it have to be all 9?

i cant remember

[balmy coral]

Btw does your Jade drops per fatigue in topaz and peak still apply this season?

[fierce light]

You can enter and leave so I hear

[fierce light]

Yeah drop rate %'s seem the same.

We have bonus luck though so you can increase them by some unknown amount.

[balmy coral]

Thanks

Nirriti bores me cos of loading screens

[fierce light]

Bores me cause of the garbage rings

[balmy coral]

That too lol

I could solo topaz now just need to level up a bit

Thou I'm not meant to do it solo

[turbid agate]

i cant believe im saying this but ranged is actually fun w deadeye

didnt think i would see the day

https://tenor.com/view/shit-leslie-jordan-gif-11334450875675318506

[hidden creek]

Yeah basically i really dont want to run around with no hp

So i came up with this build

[crimson cave]

i love ruins

unless iits garbage rings when incant get 4 element rings in the whole run

[hidden creek]

Psure it does lower dmg than the glass cannon build but

As long as it's not too bad i'll take it

[quaint girder]

Tabbie

I did some additional testing

5 elements of poison or lightning dealt a decent amount of damage like 4k

[hidden creek]

doubt it will stay relevant when the build is finished tho

cuz at that moment when we dumped our stats onto attack and ranged weapon dmg

bow attack gonna hit way harder

but since we take 0 element dmg, element blast dmg got nothing to scale

also on the glass cannon build you still got element blast dmg anyway

[quaint girder]

Really?

I thought we just did the same dump on glass cannon build as well

[hidden creek]

yeah but you still want to imbue the glass cannon jades with element no?

therefore elemental blast

[quaint girder]

Also Justina feels very good with Deadeye, a lot of options to deal with Reloading and Self Freeze

[quaint girder]

I don't think you want to do that given how the coefficient works

Both builds would be running Ranged DMG, Attack, and DMG to boss

[hidden creek]

yes

but imbue

the jade element

not the elemental blast dmg attribute

[quaint girder]

Ahhhh

I got what you're saying both will deal nonscaling element damage regardless

But yeah I like Tabbie's build more and more on Justina

[fierce light]

@quaint girder Here's my results:

• Tabbie's build would hit ~11.6% harder than JustNae's on average.
• Tabbie's build gains a large majority of its damage from forgoing utility attributes.
• JustNae's would have to have at least 11.6% more uptime to make up for the less damage.

[hidden creek]

huh

watt

how

i think u took the wrong build

[quaint girder]

Has tech options. F dash cancel with aim to break out of freeze without DPS downtime, immediate Dash into Freeze into Second Dash for mobility, Dash as frost pops for easier ignore, Ulti as Frostmeter pops up to put out DoT, Ulti before reload to keep DPS out

[quaint girder]

Are the substats different?

I think we agreed that the substats are the same with Attack/Ranged DMG/DMG to Boss/Windfall

I also dropped the utility Souljade, we just went straight glass cannon

[hidden creek]

ye

[fierce light]

Tabbie's is with:

• x6 [Windfall]
• x6 Attack
• x6 DMG to Bosses
• x6 Ranged Weapon DMG

JustNae's is with:

• x6 Attack
• x6 DMG to Bosses
• x6 Ranged Weapon DMG
• x1 Deadeye build rate
• x5 No Depletion: Weapon Repair Kit

[fierce light]

Oh okay

[quaint girder]

Yeah just repunch those numbers let's see the theoreticals

Then I can rest easy tonight knowing Tabbie and I created the Bow Deadeye builds

Mine is literally playing on hard mode and demands perfect play...at 0 Armor 1HP

Truly the DPS experience

[crimson cave]

tbh most of this game is about glass cannons

[balmy coral]

This is expensive but worth investing this whole season

Tabbie with wf

[hidden creek]

not as nearly as expensive as mod builds lol

[balmy coral]

Ye I mean considering how bad imbuing rares are

[hidden creek]

plus it feels nice to play everything line up perfectly

[quaint girder]

Honestly, it's a lot cheaper since you don't need double rares

However

Keep in mind

Deadeye sucks solo

[balmy coral]

Ya I meant I don't have unli fragments like em

[timid stirrup]

Having to max out 18x attributes assuming u get 6x wf on the first try is a lot of value recasts

[hidden creek]

value recast got better

not as bad as last season

[timid stirrup]

I hope so

[hidden creek]

so i'm not worry about that

[quaint girder]

I'm excited to see Dark's results

[timid stirrup]

Was the value rework in the patch notes?

[quaint girder]

Generally speaking Tabbie, trying both. I think your build with Justina has so much tech and potential

Mine felt like a silly meme, 🪿

[balmy coral]

Could go after it when I'm done with Justina ice since I'm wholeheartedly loving it

[hidden creek]

i just tried to find a way to make use of the last 2 potential node

ocd life

can't have something useless

[quaint girder]

The movement felt fluid, the tech options for handling freeze and using Ulti and dash to fill in reloading gaps is sublime

Tabbie

I tried to do that for mysket

I created an abomination

[summer ridge]

Showdown is cool

I like it

[hidden creek]

it's all cool and fun when u do theory crafting

[quaint girder]

You stand in pool to pop Fury/Afterglow

[balmy coral]

It's a good break after like 10 hours of ranked match

[quaint girder]

you become semi melee musket its horrible

[balmy coral]

I'm already asura so I'm not minding ranked anymore

[hidden creek]

i also thought about this but this idea was quickly scraped because lmao at that point you should just go melee alr

[quaint girder]

lmaooo

[fierce light]

Sorry was doing another enigma

[quaint girder]

no worries Zero

when you have time punch in those numnumbers

Musket is trickier

[hidden creek]

and idk if it's the same with pvp

but in pvp bow and musket does its best at a certain range

[turbid agate]

how do u get the secret ring, Divine army from the sky again?

[quaint girder]

I did see big numbers doe

[hidden creek]

meaning if you're too close to target you lose dmg

[quaint girder]

So I knew it had potential

[short meadow]

whats the max showdown level

[balmy coral]

Theoretically 100 but capped at 78 atm as per dark

[fierce light]

New result:

Basically flipped over it all

[hidden creek]

ns nirriti, open cursed chest, get ''lost'' omen, go into white portal, get double boss cave stage, lure the axe boss and get them breaks the wall, the anima ring is there

[short meadow]

dang im on 50 rn

[quaint girder]

Where did the Ice Blast Damage come from lol?

[hidden creek]

i gonna need you translate these moonrunes for me

[fierce light]

Depths Blast

[quaint girder]

Ohhhh

[balmy coral]

You don't need to hurry and I don't expect ppl to cap the 2.4k fatigue rn except us

[quaint girder]

Lmaoooo

But this assumes the player is skilled and can keep DPS uptime without taking any hits

[fierce light]

Whoops the Compare-to-Left and Compare-to-Right aren't labeled right, but basically is a ratio.

[quaint girder]

Because they will be effectively at 1 HP

[hidden creek]

yeah it's expected for my build to does less dmg

but it's way safer

[quaint girder]

1HP and 0 Armor on Hellscorch

[hidden creek]

the question is how much less dmg it is

compare to the glass turret build

[quaint girder]

It looks like it's only 40% less damage

[turbid agate]

thank you!

[quaint girder]

Which isn't a lot since both modifiers are 370%+

[hidden creek]

the fuuuuck 40%

no no i mean total dps

[quaint girder]

Yeah let me redo the ratio hold on

[hidden creek]

i think it's like 11% less dmg yea?

[short meadow]

I was before but Now not that much interested in naraka TT

[fierce light]

Basically, with those stats, JustNae's build does 11.2% more than Tabbie's.

[hidden creek]

there we go

that's... actually better than i expected

[quaint girder]

There it is

[fierce light]

Or Tabbie's does 89.9% of the damage of JustNae's.

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-excuse-me-gasp-what-shocked-gif-16356523

[quaint girder]

Actually much better than expected

I think my build is probably just for speed runs or daredevil runs

Like competing for 1st place times

But Tabbie's build solves a lot of issues

The biggest issue though is that the ice build only feels good on Justina

[fierce light]

Ah I didn't even get around to testing Musket yet

[quaint girder]

Trying it on others requires me to save F to keep gold focus

[quaint girder]

No worries

I'm just happy that Tabbie and I made something actually remotely viable

[hidden creek]

tessa F cd is 30s but ice surge status only last for 25s

hmm

[quaint girder]

Yep

She doesn't have a lot of good options for self freeze

She can swap defuse

But she chunks her dodge

Which might be important for not dying to boss

[fierce light]

I'll probably take out Weaponry Kit Boon and put Desperation on my build.

[hidden creek]

to be fair

when i was testing the glass turrret build

[quaint girder]

Temulch is just a meme, I guess he can jump into the air and freeze in the air and drop down

[hidden creek]

i don't get to 1hp that often

[turbid agate]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[hidden creek]

so it might not be as risky as we thought it is

still

[quaint girder]

The self heal effect from the healing is quite strong

[hidden creek]

on stages with burn/poison omen

it gonna be hell

[quaint girder]

Does training auto heal at low health?

[hidden creek]

it does

[quaint girder]

Because I think it might or maybe I'm mistaken

Yeah we would need to field test it

Honestly

[fierce light]

Yeah I think you can toggle that option off too.
-# Automatic healing.

[quaint girder]

I wouldn't mind running enigma when we have full potential with Tabbie and Zero to check viability

[quaint girder]

I don't see it

[hidden creek]

actually on this one did you accounted the potential that boost ur attack during surge and after surge end?

[quaint girder]

Oh good point

[hidden creek]

it only active on my build btw, on naes build it doesn't

cuz his build can't trigger element surge

[quaint girder]

If he didn't add those, the ice build make actually surpass the DPS or close the gap

[fierce light]

Yeah, i added 24% Attack

[hidden creek]

also why is there a difference between our boss dmg?

[quaint girder]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pikachu-pokemon-gif-19423994

[hidden creek]

we're running the same potential

same stats on sj

[fierce light]

Put the last 2 points in the boss dmg node

[hidden creek]

ohhhhhhhhh

yeah

okok

thank you sir

🥹

actually 10% dmg diff is better than what i expected

[fierce light]

Ends up slightly more than doing the attack node

[quaint girder]

Interesting

[balmy coral]

Ranked could do that to u nonetheless

[quaint girder]

Ice Surge Deadeye is actually viable on Justina, but it's a bit tricky on Tessa and totally useless on Temmy

Poor Temmy

[hidden creek]

lol

isn't it his F also gold focus

[quaint girder]

Let me check

I was under the impression it wasn't

[hidden creek]

i gonna admit i had never touched showdown temulch in my life

[quaint girder]

But it's still a lot of time wasted jumping in the air and doing that whole animation

[hidden creek]

oh yeah the long animation

[fierce light]

I wasn't expecting the multipliers to be over 3 tbh

[hidden creek]

i had no idea what's the dps multiplier collum is about

[fierce light]

Can't wait to see some in action

[fierce light]

That's just
(1 + Attack Bonus) × (1 + DMG Bonus)

[hidden creek]

i still... yknow what nvm

😭 i can't math

[fierce light]

Multiplier compared to having a build with no stats

[quaint girder]

So I'm playing him

It's not too bad

His jump in the air gives him a lot of gold focus and the throw is also a gold focus state

But it's a pretty long animation

He can also Ulti to gold focus

But it puts him in melee range

Or he could just pop it and not try to get the boss

Tessa's ulti is similar

Justina's feels much better because you set it and forget it and it's ranged AND Depths Blast scales her Ulti DoT up

[balmy coral]

The thing with temmy is his ult is short range

His ult doesn't much affect the boss

His F isn't as good as it performs in ranked

[hidden creek]

also let's see if CN gonna cook something good for bow

[balmy coral]

Keeping distance with temmy takes too much time and he's better meele

[fierce light]

Oh i forgot the base +12% Attack from Hero Level 20.

[quaint girder]

Temmy used to shred Aegis

[fierce light]

Still the same ratio

[quaint girder]

Now that's useless due to Yama Scaling

[balmy coral]

Only a few I saw used temmy ngl even last season

[quaint girder]

They're probably cheesing for top 3 iridescent rankings

Temmy and Valda you use to get carried to high ranks

[fierce light]

Hopefully he gets a Curio

[balmy coral]

Ye and default thunder

[hidden creek]

i still have no idea why i got 1% more attack than him and he got 2.4% more dmg to boss than me but the total dmg is that difference

[balmy coral]

Ye that could change his standing among others

[hidden creek]

from what i understand they're different layers of dmg multiply and i got heavier diminishing return

due to total attack % being much higher than total dmg to boss %

but i also have no idea if i got it right lmfao

[short meadow]

4500 hours on showdown and Now I'm done with it .

[hidden creek]

ahhhh i understand now

he got another layer ontop of it

[cursive fable]

hiii , btw

[hidden creek]

from desperation

[cursive fable]

for vetern showdown players like you guys

[hidden creek]

i don't have that

[cursive fable]

do you guys still have gold runekeys?

[hidden creek]

when peak open it will quickly run out

so likely none of showdown vets got ''that many gold keys''

[short meadow]

nah bro just got over depressed

[crimson cave]

i have 90...

[cursive fable]

@hidden creek but the problem with peak is

[crimson cave]

but i started game like 3 weeks ago

[cursive fable]

you need 2 friends to queue into that

[hidden creek]

that's not a problem for me lol

[cursive fable]

so its not like something spammable by yourself(etc . nitiri ruin)

[hidden creek]

i got premades

so i spam it every week

[crimson cave]

but ive been running ruins mostly thats why

[cursive fable]

@hidden creek requires 3 gold key right?

[hidden creek]

yeah

[cursive fable]

1 per per person per run

[hidden creek]

always 3 gold keys

[cursive fable]

ya the first 600 fatigue must be spent on peak

imo

[hidden creek]

oh u're NA

make sense

[cursive fable]

ya

[hidden creek]

on SEA it's actually quite easy to get a premade peak party

[crimson cave]

on sea i think you can get it just queue to fill the party

at least ruins ns are popping like every second now

[short meadow]

last season you could even do peak with randoms

[hidden creek]

meh you don't wanna do peak with randoms

[crimson cave]

and even legend

[hidden creek]

6 months long season did that to us

🤣

[short meadow]

fr xD

[fierce light]

Both:

• +36% Attack from Attributes
• • 4% * 6 * 1.5 = 36%
• +12% Attack from Hero Level 20

Tabbie:

• +35% Attack
• • Sub-Zero Seal
• • Element Surge
• +24% Attack
• • Potential boosts to Element Surge

Total Attack

• 48% + 35% + 24% = 107%

JustNae:

• +58% Attack
• • Renewed Vigor
• • Backfire
• • Shattered Edge

Total Attack

• 48% + 58% = 106%

[cursive fable]

@hidden creek burning 2400 peak only from peak is gonna take forever

i miss the good old days with tempered inferno lol

popping the potion means 150 fatigue per run

[hidden creek]

ye then he got that desperation + 20% which is on a different layer so it's literally a x1.2

that's why the total dmg diff

[fierce light]

He has an extra 20% DMG Bonus from Desperation as well.

[hidden creek]

[balmy coral]

@fierce light there's a thing in topaz that if u use elixir there's an auto gold key drop

[fierce light]

Huh

[hidden creek]

yeah back when TI wasn't here yet the usual routine is first 600 peak with 3 gold keys, next 1200 for nirriti and last 600 for the 2 naga stage to farm gold keys

[balmy coral]

Ye I tried 3 runs

I dunno why maybe just luck

[hidden creek]

but anyway

[fierce light]

Wdym by gold key drop?

[hidden creek]

now we got SND and TI

[balmy coral]

[quaint girder]

Nice nice

Am excited for the next reset

[hidden creek]

bro if only that desperation wasn't on a different layer of dmg multiply

🤣

my build gon be so close to urs

[fierce light]

It's additive to the other DMG Bonuses

[hidden creek]

huh

so what counted as ''dmg bonuses''? not attack and dmg to boss right

[balmy coral]

Wdym it's faster than nirriti

[fierce light]

Yall would have the same Total DMG, but JustNae has the additional 2.4% from the Potential and 20% from Desperation.

[hidden creek]

ohhh

so it gets added additively ontop of total of attack/dmg to boss/ranged dmg

[fierce light]

Sorta

[hidden creek]

so it's like
''final damage'' addition

[fierce light]

Total Attack multiplies with Total DMG Bonus

[hidden creek]

my extra 60% ice blast dmg doesn't do sht huh

[fierce light]

DPS =
coefficient × (1 + attack bonus) × (1 + dmg bonus)

[fierce light]

Yeah extremely minor haha

Over shadowed by just one Void Destroyer

[hidden creek]

acttually 1.4%

not 2.4

but eh it doesn't matters

so tiny

[turbid agate]

ok my bad i dont know which wall for the secret ring?

[fierce light]

It doesn't scale in intervals of 1.2%?

[turbid agate]

the dinve sky army or whatever

[hidden creek]

well his total is 198.4 (not counting 20 from desperation), mine is 197, and that's 1.4 difference, according to ur chart
tho idk why my attack is 107% while his is 106% tho lmao

[fierce light]

It sticks out, like a corner you can get stuck in

[hidden creek]

https://youtu.be/kRkeLt0mMa0

it should still be the same

[fierce light]

112.4% - 20% = 92.4%

[zealous perch]

Um so what do we do with blue souljades now? Cant deconstruct or use to upgrade so just filling up inventory

[hidden creek]

you can uhh fuse them together

to get a random gold/purple jade

[turbid agate]

ty, im blind lol

[turbid agate]

convert and deconstruct for fragments

[summer ridge]

Showdown time C:

[quaint girder]

Yeah, it's that weird Attack vs. Damage wording

But your build isn't that far. 11% is only big when it comes to speed clears, for normal clears it's fine

[summer ridge]

Y is no one on nirriti

I’m trying to level up

[turbid agate]

what diff?

[summer ridge]

Normal mode

I’m trying to get xp

I’m low level

[signal kite]

Go with hard nirriti

People usually play hard and nightscream

[summer ridge]

Why it’s the same xp tho I was told

[signal kite]

Drops

[turbid agate]

im, runnin hard w a friend if u want to join

[fierce light]

Normal has a notable decrease in drop quality

[quaint girder]

Wait

Does Depths Blast scale up the Ice Blast Damage from 6 Ice Wielding?

Hmm just considering the balance between Ice-Wielding and lowering accumulation threshold for uptime

[summer ridge]

I’ll be turning them into jade dust anyways

[balmy coral]

I'd say if u have a team at same level and gold keys u can do topaz

Do nirriti otherwise

[fierce light]

~41.9% less fragments on average.

Managed to Duo it at level 76-77

[balmy coral]

I solo at 70 but last 2 boss are pain

Unless u are extremely good at dodging and difuse until I hit ult

[fierce light]

Yeah can't get hit by certain attacks

[balmy coral]

Charge attack and difuse are basically useless, u only difuse to evade

[fierce light]

Curious how much our attributes are going to jump at lvl 81

[balmy coral]

There are times you'd be force to ult with Justina but with a 2 secs uptime until the boss moves around again

Basically useless, so u basically become reliant to F until the boss is down to maximize

[summer ridge]

I just want to lvl up is all

All jades will be dismantled

[hidden creek]

ha

so 3 hits of void destroyer got different dmg coefficient

can't proc ice blast by hitting 1st and 2nd hit

but can proc with 2nd and 3rd hit

[cursive fable]

hi tabbie

that justina skin looks very similar to the scarlet bride (Viper)