👾┃showdown

[steep patio]

potential is not a thing anymore

well it is but isnt

its mixed with your "showdown level"

[fickle linden]

it's showdown season XP now

[normal plover]

@fierce light why are the characters limited in showdown? wheres takeda and akos at

[fickle linden]

they just renamed it

[fierce light]

They're slow to add them. We were supposed to get Justina when Matron came out (~2 years ago), but we're just now getting her.

[steep patio]

new nirriti maps btw

[hybrid canyon]

They shouldn't care about showdown mode since there are not many player matching in showdown

[fierce light]

CN has like a professional scene for it iirc

Top 100 is actually hard over there

[hybrid canyon]

I was once check showdown in NA or EU server and there are not even top 5 player in speedrun 💀🙏🏻

SEA probably second after CN

[fickle linden]

cn, sea, eu, na

order

i forgot 5th server

and i have no idea how popular it is

[hybrid canyon]

[cursive fable]

asia

[normal plover]

how do i upgrade my soul jades now>

[steep patio]

recast

[fickle linden]

not being able to sort jades by name is some bs

[steep patio]

using dead eye\ controller is hard

[fierce light]

You don't enhance their sense anymore

[fierce light]

Aw I was afraid of that

[steep patio]

if you aim in its very hard to move towards the red circle

so dont aim in

[fierce light]

So it looks like our new base attack is 252, 20% higher than last season's.

[steep patio]

its pretty fun tho

[fickle linden]

i like how day 3 reward from the new event is ghastbloom

[fierce light]

Got the formulas down to calc the base dmg and stuff

[lapis heron]

guys any build recommend for new update? it seems my scorch build not working anymore

[steep patio]

grind nirriti to max lvl

then find a good build

already got windfall recasted on 1 new jade

[lapis heron]

i see i see

[steep patio]

doing 50k damage with muskey is fun

[fierce light]

Can confirm Wuchen's Skill only activates Ice Spike when you first cast it.

[flat pier]

what do we do first?

sense level or curio?

[fickle linden]

there are no curios

[flat pier]

you have to farm again right?

[steep patio]

yes

nirriti

[flat pier]

so nirriti first as usual?

[steep patio]

sadly yes

[flat pier]

wait what's the rating?

[steep patio]

how good you souljade is

6500 is max

[flat pier]

oh no more sense lvl huh?

[steep patio]

nope

[flat pier]

oh then why nirriti, getting curio materials at tempered inferno no?

nvm

[fickle linden]

read my last message

[flat pier]

it's locked

[sinful ocean]

What is the new meta?

[steep patio]

ice and thunder

[fickle linden]

im supposed to go thru 472 jades one by one?

why aren't they in alphabetical order

https://tenor.com/view/finn-malding-gif-19126633

[steep patio]

LMAOOO

you'll live

[fickle linden]

nah, i closed the game

[steep patio]

*opens it backin 10min

[fickle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-ver-strong-maybe-bohdi-tulsa-king-s1e9-its-very-likely-gif-27419032

[flat pier]

gugu has chain defuse?

[cursive fable]

hi @fickle linden @fierce light

whats the first jade i should swap with element surge?

got a pretty good elemental surge, slowly maxing the stats on it

[fickle linden]

i have no idea. dark will help you, i just do what dark tells me to

but sub-zero seal probably

idk what element surge even does

[fierce light]

Are they trolling with Hepta-Detach ??? 😭

20% Attack scaling... Wtf

[fierce light]

Tundra Might, does the same thing, but better

[flat pier]

gugu got chain defuse?

[cursive fable]

does elemental surge stack with tundra might?

should i just disenchant this?

[fierce light]

No, it's either

• Hepta-Detach (Horizontal), which has a longer animation and does less damage than a single hit of Wuchen's Skill.
• Defuse Solve (Vertical), which has decent range and fast animation. Not much damage, but better than Hepta-Detach in every situation.

[flat pier]

nope.. no chain defuse.. XD thank you

[cursive fable]

tundra might

[flat pier]

thank you zero chan

[sinful ocean]

What is the current best build?

[fierce light]

Yes, but it stacks additively.

[steep patio]

new jades

so just farm nirriti till max lvl or high enough to get em

[fierce light]

Can confirm Poison Seep only procs on one enemy at a time. Very little hope for Poison.

[lone umbra]

why are they giving poison jade if it is useless

and they are being too generous with flux shard

[steep patio]

i got 8 of em saved up

im ready

[sinful ocean]

Anyone going for a run on Nirriti's ruins?

[fierce light]

Hmm

Actually Poison might not be so bad

I think you'd want to go for Dmg to Bosses

I'll do more calcs tomorrow, time to play

[flat pier]

zero

potential plan please

when you can XD

[fierce light]

Lmao

It's pretty simple tbh

You only go what boosts you

Green for Thunder, Red for Poison, Blue for Ice.

[flat pier]

oh ok xD

do we need super rare stats like 100% mod again this time around?

or 2 windfall every jade?

for ice i mean

[green dagger]

keep us posted cs a girl is LOST

[hollow escarp]

so is a new ice set updated>

[lone umbra]

💀 how he inside

[steep patio]

had the samething, i used a bow to kill it

[lone umbra]

devs cooked something

[fierce light]

Wow Bow feels weird on controller

Takes a while to charge dead eye in Nirriti's Ruins as well

[steep patio]

musket is better

again dont aim in

[fierce light]

I didn't, but it was doing this weird stance that made my sensitivity crazy high

[steep patio]

when you hit the red circle thats the dead eye

your highlighted yellow like thunder shock

every time you hit you get the dead eye "pose"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJ1on5lwBg

[fierce light]

Jeez the ring selection feels worse

[fierce light]

Ah gotcha, just don't like that it increases my sensitivity.

[cursive fable]

hi dark

how are you using your fatigues?

i wonder if spamming nitiri's ruin Hard or normal could be the way?

[balmy coral]

WHAT TF IS THIS MONSTER PLACING OF NEW MAP IN NRITTI

[fierce light]

I thought they said they added new blessings

[fierce light]

There's no sense cap on drops, farm what you want

[steep patio]

range blessing

[cursive fable]

oh i seee

i was asking for interms of maxing souljade fragment

[pale zealot]

Do we know what builds are bussing this showdown season or not yet

[strong kiln]

I assume not yet

Let people cook first

[steep patio]

ice build

[fierce light]

Don't think they've changed the drop rates then, should be hard still

[balmy coral]

I ulted that one shit to kill it

[lone umbra]

tessa ult?

[balmy coral]

Justina

[austere kraken]

so now we must start over again in stupid showdown?

so my frost build usseles now?

[fierce light]

Dang looks like they really just added more junk rings

[balmy coral]

No basically just reworked

[pale zealot]

can someone explain to me why when i go now into boss there is some weird TING TING TING sounds at nittri ruins ?

[austere kraken]

well curio not work atm

[balmy coral]

Justina is so unoptimized her animations sux

[lone umbra]

getting used to is hard

[fierce light]

• Curios are enabled for half a season.
• Every season the potential tree changes, so you can expect a shift in the meta.

[austere kraken]

u telling me to my lotus ice will work ?

[fierce light]

Yes, you just have to get Ice Root again

[austere kraken]

what ice root?

oh

like before?

potential u mean?

[fierce light]

Ranged already had a blessing

[fierce light]

The thing that makes Ice Lotus work lol

Yes

[steep patio]

theres dead eye blessing for range

[austere kraken]

i getting lotus

even now idk how

[fierce light]

Your Lotus won't have an Element till you get Ice Root.

[lone umbra]

excellent drop\

[pale zealot]

anyone else has a bug in bosses where some TING sounds go very lou d

?

[carmine basin]

What would the jade set up look like now for Lotus builds?

[balmy coral]

Wanna do topaz instead?

[cursive fable]

i think lotus build is dead

[lone umbra]

i farming crystals.. topaz has less drops of that

[balmy coral]

I see Okee

[cursive fable]

omg

got scorching from my rare crystal

ffs

[north lynx]

I think she's insane

Her defuse costing Stam is trash but

[fierce light]

New boss pulling off some Naruto shi

[north lynx]

It one shotted me in final legend stage

And my team

Was funny

[viscid wraith]

manticore 2.0

[balmy coral]

Not bad

[plain spire]

Another pain in the ass boss with crazy attack skills, got wipe out in hard nitiri. It just spam wind walls and those sword waves moves 😅

[woven musk]

how long does the season last this time? days on the showdown pass i mean

[balmy coral]

The new boss kit is manticore 2.0

Or even worse

Too much invincibility

[viscid wraith]

worse

[fierce light]

Can only hope they lessen it in Yama's

[viscid wraith]

eerie huanyue soon

[fierce light]

Wow Musket is so much better than Bow

[balmy coral]

Did u get the build already?

[viscid wraith]

wth, musket/bow counter has no cd?

[balmy coral]

Can u show me the complete set of Jades?

[cursive fable]

which dungeons u guys running

[lucid ore]

I feel like it's harder to aim with musket

sometime bullets just fly off-aim

[amber terrace]

lol same

[balmy coral]

Topaz solo

[fierce light]

Lol just using it in Ruins

[amber terrace]

anyone has full anima?

[balmy coral]

Why these new bosses have a 1 shot mechanic

[lone umbra]

mean?

[amber terrace]

anima ring list

has something new

[tender elm]

why can't tempered inferno be played?

[austere kraken]

men i hate when new season come

[woven musk]

the devs are delulu if they think this is the way of designing new bosses

[clear badger]

Anyone figured what would be the new meta/optimal build for ice yet? Or just stick with recommended?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Mona/Aira leveled up!

[viscid wraith]

new secret anima ring

[dusk plover]

Well I mean you all probably were heavily underleveled lol

[fierce light]

Last Stand Anima

Let's you cheat death

[civic hemlock]

what do I do with soulgems now? >_>

[fierce light]

Can't lie ranged is pretty fun in Ruins. Even on controller

Plus the fact I'm keeping up or surpassing my teammates in damage

[north lynx]

I was doing justina bow and its a blast

[austere kraken]

only nirriti to farm xd?

[balmy coral]

wait until u get the bolt gold anima rings

Your dmg would peak

[viscid wraith]

[fierce light]

Easiest farm, need some levels to do Enigma

[clear badger]

So basically farm Nirriti till you have enough level to do Enigma right?

Still need to unlock new jades, but need level and courage to face that stupid new boss on nightscream..

[hidden creek]

the dog according to their owner and the dog when you met them

[signal kite]

ehh whats this

[proud sandal]

anyone up for farming? eu server

[amber terrace]

trash drop but 0 pts ???

[hybrid canyon]

[woven musk]

why did german invade my client

yooooo

[hidden creek]

bruh
they make justina basically immune to freeze?

[woven musk]

lore accurate tho

taraka immune to burn next, subscribe

[signal kite]

Lol

[balmy coral]

@fierce light how do u rate this build?

Lol what's with this mod streak I'm getting

[fierce light]

Yeah that's the build in the pins

[balmy coral]

Okee then I'm just missing chill spike and chain

[hidden creek]

hmm\

so dmg dealt from skill and ultimate doesn't counts?

[amber terrace]

nice

[hidden creek]

bruh

toxin seep requires you to include alot of aegis break/defuse counter attack in your rotation
thunder charge requires you to does weapon dmg
chill spike is using skill

they clearly want to make mod builds ice exclusive

[safe seal]

from where u can get chill chain? the only thing i saw was frostbite chain

[hidden creek]

they're the same

[safe seal]

oh

great

then

[hidden creek]

can someone gives me a quick rundown of the deadeye system

[north lynx]

I outskilled my wayy there ez pz

My teammates all didn't have a life tho

[woven ingot]

No!
I literally can’t 😂

[hidden creek]

[north lynx]

I can gib me a sec

Deadeye builds up the more you hit a target with a ranged weapon. When you build up enough meter it turns red.

When the meter turns red, you are in deadeye state

On bosses, a target or 2 will appear on them when you have red meter.

If you hit these targets, your deadeye meter will increase. It also does more damage than regular shots. Headshots still do more than deadeye, so it's important to mix

[woven musk]

is 2x windfall useless?

[north lynx]

If you charge till the second stage, right at a certain time, bow and musket can do a special aegis break move when deadeye is full

Headshots can stagger with full deadeye on bosses

(I think, it might be something else causing bosses to stagger not 100%)

[austere kraken]

men is so hard to do anything in this game now

wtf

we die so ez

[north lynx]

Potential glyphs boost deadeye, so do Anima rings

[subtle bramble]

that's the fun part

[north lynx]

^

Good enough rundown?

[austere kraken]

whats funy there?

[subtle bramble]

the bosses being more challenging at the start idk i find it more fun than the endgame of just trying to get a better time on paragon 20

[north lynx]

Ruins isn't snooze for now and running legend is fun again

[hidden creek]

ohhh the red points only appear on bosses

so basically just pew pew when got red pew pew the red

[austere kraken]

[north lynx]

Ye, but also sometimes head shots cause they still do more damage

You just wanna keep your meter up by hitting the targets

[subtle bramble]

and only headshots can stagger bosses right?

[north lynx]

Bow is crazy fun

[scenic moth]

@fierce light How can we fast up Showdown level? Do u know?

[north lynx]

Pretty sure yes

I kept a boss permanently staggered for a round doing this

Super fun

Dude just kept flinching

[hidden creek]

wish they increase the firerate during deadeye status

also gives us unlimited dodge

so i can turn into a m61 vulcan

[dusk plover]

I can believe that, nightscream nearly as hard as I thought it would be at only 8 score. lol

[balmy coral]

First ever decent drop

[north lynx]

Bow ruins build is so fun that I want a thunder bow build

Also justinas an f merchant her ult is so mid. It's cool she has unlimited healing but dodge defuse and no ult makes her eh.

Her f is an instant thunder accum like tarka and matari, but idk whyd you play her over tessa

@balmy coral you were right I was just high off self healing and bow

[balmy coral]

Ye and technically much easier to play her with bow in nirriti

but ngl bow is so boring .. I don't feel the thrill without difuse and parry

[amber terrace]

lol, HOW WHY, i just got 2 purple

[north lynx]

Bow has parry

[balmy coral]

Can't get too close I'm not used to it haha

[amber terrace]

they added this feature but F Tarka Ji still make me blind

lol

[subtle bramble]

this would've been very useful for the entirety of last season

the lotus pollution on the screen 😭 and Tessa's fox curio

[quaint girder]

What's the last anime ring for ranged?

Do I need a specific element like the toxic lotus?

[quaint girder]

Thanks, no special conditions to get this one? Just keep rolling ranged?

[amber terrace]

ehm... yes

[quaint girder]

Sounds like there's a catch

What's the catch?

[lone umbra]

lol didnt see this... are we supposed to on or off?

[balmy coral]

Finally got this

[amber terrace]

in setting but idk should on or off cuz i can't see what change

[amber terrace]

i'm done in new build =))

[quaint girder]

Which difficulty of Niritis?

[lone umbra]

wtf

[balmy coral]

@fierce light They renamed Chill Chain into Frostbite Chain ??

Stoopid

[amber terrace]

drop rate

[balmy coral]

u rich so you'd be

[amber terrace]

still have some frag + crystal

[subtle bramble]

this screenshot told me to farm more

[amber terrace]

w8 chinese in best ranged build i'll use last

[white dawn]

'Some frag and crystal'

[balmy coral]

I don't have frag anymore

[white dawn]

Me neither.

[amber terrace]

[subtle bramble]

i feel like hepta detach should heal a bit more to make up for the fact it ain't doing barely any damage

[river stratus]

76k

[amber terrace]

yea

need more heal

base dmg just 4 =))

[white turret]

Any ppl a fan of this showdown rework? Seems like a pain in the ass to me

[balmy coral]

It's aight

[white turret]

Wouldve liked it better if they kept sens level

[balmy coral]

annoying boss nothing new

broken stuff

[white turret]

Went from max sens to shitty low level and have to grind all over again

Nty

[subtle bramble]

lol there's a naraka ball stage in Nirriti

[quaint girder]

I checked drop rate

Doesn't tell me which Souljades drop on that menu

Or at least the new Soulajdes

[round glacier]

Basicially need specific souljade for potential

Kinda sucks

[quaint girder]

I mean

At the beginning of each season before you had to grind sense level anyway

[white turret]

A very small amount

[quaint girder]

It's more or less the same

[quaint girder]

It was pretty significant

[bold ice]

Sense stayed the same, just the cap increased

[white turret]

Also i cant even play the modes i had unlocked in previous seasons

[round glacier]

Anyone know the meta poison build?

[white turret]

Cuz low level

[quaint girder]

The amount you had to grind up was more or less the samr

[quaint girder]

Again, happens every season

[white turret]

Ye now they reset u basically

Almost

I honestly think they lost me with this update . I'll still play survival modes tho. But not showdown

[bold ice]

Idk, it's kinda not fun to chase a build for the entire season, and when you finally get close to completion, the entire thing gets flipped

[white turret]

Exactly

[quaint girder]

Again

Happens literally every season since 1.0

You guys seem to be new to this

[bold ice]

That doesn't make it any less tiresome

I know it happens, doesn't mean I like it

[quaint girder]

Fair

[bold ice]

I've no clue how anyone can have stacks of unused fragments

Even one stack would be crazy

Even 500 unused fragments honestly

[quaint girder]

Already having double Rares is a big one

On base Souljades like Thundercounter and Thunderpull

If you have those, you basically save half the fragments needed in a season

[bold ice]

This will be my third season, I managed to get semi-good thunderscorch and basically 99% completed ilm

But I'm bone dry on fragments

[quaint girder]

Scorch damage modifiers keep getting sacked lol

[bold ice]

And now once again new jades, lotus goes in the bin, by the time I'll get the new stuff finished I won't even have time to enjoy it

[quaint girder]

Very unlucky investment

[quaint girder]

Opposite for me, carved crystals are the big bottleneck for me

[bold ice]

Maybe I spent a bit too much in niritti

[quaint girder]

Basically

After you finish Season Quests and Anima Ring Collection you swap to Enigma

Usually you'd want to do gold keys for peak

The other thing you'd do is Inferno

Both give you a lot more Fragments than Nirritis

[lone umbra]

wtf this skin is of heng sword

[bold ice]

I did inferno exclusively since it came out

[bold ice]

Looks like a musket skin to me

[quaint girder]

Unfortunately, Inferno still is a lot less than Enigma

[bold ice]

But also not limited by keys

[quaint girder]

I just used brown keys the entire last season and got more fragments than I could have gotten in enigma

[lone umbra]

i though it was of longsword

[hidden creek]

wait wtf

[subtle bramble]

ngl i just realized this too

[hidden creek]

it is heng

LMFAO

[subtle bramble]

it looks like a ls skin

[hidden creek]

bruh it looks so weird

welp it's still ugly ah so whatever

[balmy coral]

What is your build?

[amber terrace]

need last windfall

[balmy coral]

Hey my $20 steam card

[amber terrace]

i think backfire + Desperation + Quick Attack

not sure if have Outrage

[clear badger]

What nodes in potential should I focus on for ice build?

[balmy coral]

I see I don't have those anymore

[clear badger]

Thank you

[balmy coral]

[hidden creek]

NEW NIRRITI MAPS ARE ANNOYING AF

[amber terrace]

hey, wanna rent my heroes =))

[white dawn]

Ikr?!

[glacial fable]

So whats the new best build guys?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | powerholzi leveled up!

[hidden creek]

bro it's like they tried their best to make the run as long as possible so we need to spend more time playing showdown

[bold ice]

Instead, they could just change the fatigue limit and simply have people play more matches if they wanted to max out

But noooo

[white dawn]

They want us to suffer.

[bold ice]

And all we want is suffer no demon

[balmy coral]

[pearl fractal]

How yall gonna ruin showdown..

Tbf I didnt like it to begin with but what the heeeeel

[hybrid canyon]

Does new ice build easy to play? I see frostbite accumulation is quiet fast

This new ice build is so strong probably x2 than the old popular one

[amber terrace]

ehm... i think x2 or x3

[balmy coral]

why the dead eye spot of manticore is only in its tail ???

what they were even thinking??

[amber terrace]

[balmy coral]

[amber terrace]

@balmy coral what r you going?

nirriti hard?

[balmy coral]

nightscream nirriti

[humble flare]

Tbh they ruined showdown like 1.5 yrs ago

[amber terrace]

do quests?

i'm done all quest at NS or Legend

[balmy coral]

Ye for seasonal

[humble flare]

Used to be so much fun

[amber terrace]

just need go hard for fast run

[clever zenith]

hello any suggestion for potential tree for zipping and justina

[pearl fractal]

I was new lol so this was all I knew

[humble flare]

Showdown was soooooo good

It was skill based

[pearl fractal]

Like is poison still a thing or did we move elements i feel lost af

[humble flare]

It would take weeks fmto get a single purple jade if u played 60 hrs a week

So no one have builds

[pearl fractal]

Good xD I was pulling 6mil in trios

[humble flare]

Now the jades play the game

Skill is gone

[pearl fractal]

But like why remove sense requirements and change it to levels that take weeks to aquire it defeats the purpose

[humble flare]

I haven't looked at update

[pearl fractal]

Its garbage.

Flat out

[humble flare]

I miss showdown but its too casual these days

[pearl fractal]

Grinded my way to 1k sense and bam back to beginning cause it change to showdown level

[humble flare]

When it was literally brutal and skill based it was exhilarating to get a perfect run and top the board

[humble flare]

Yeah I just broken 1100 sense last season. . I was 900 something for seasons

[pearl fractal]

Like why change it? I just dont understand who had this dumb idea

[humble flare]

Casuals make games money

Most just want to be good with minimal effort

[fleet aurora]

souljade dont have levels anymore ???

[balmy coral]

If u remove the lotus from the poison build it could be usable.

won't be as good as ice thou

[north lynx]

I heard poisen is the only thing that keeps lotus

"Only Lotus build that will remain in Season 3.0 is currently Poison because Core Poison is more passive with focus on piling DoTs and the increased attack buff. Lotus Poison has better DPS than Core Lotus due to the bursty nature of the Ghastbloom Chains."

[balmy coral]

Lotus on poison got badly nerfed

[amber terrace]

anyone test ice bow or thunder bow is better?

[north lynx]

Ik but even with that info

That's what people are saying

[north lynx]

I hope thunder

[amber terrace]

maybe

[balmy coral]

Probably if someone could test and sweep these new two poison Jade into the build

[north lynx]

Think theres 3 new ones

Cause u run ele surge too

[glacial fable]

So whats the new best ice build can someone send a pic?

[amber terrace]

you can go training

[north lynx]

Poison Lotus Surge

• Pestilent Pool
• Element Surge
• Toxin Seep
• Toxified Chain
• Toxified Lotus
• Ghastbloom

From what I was told idk if it's good

My source is good tho

[balmy coral]

Ye removing the venomous lotus was a good idea and could work.

[north lynx]

Venomous will probably make a comeback with curios if they are the same but idk

[amber terrace]

remove GGhastbloom too

[north lynx]

Wouldn't be lotus if you removed it tbh. On poisen I've heard it's still required

But idk it's early season

[amber terrace]

No

but u can play it if that your style

[north lynx]

It's not mine

[amber terrace]

lol

[north lynx]

This is just what I was told from some good showdown gamers

But it's early season

Who knows

[amber terrace]

maybe but this season just 3 months

[north lynx]

I wish thunder scorch worked with bow

Isn't feasible tho unfortunately

Can't get the proc without swaping to melee

Maybe if I do some wep swap tech

Ranged would need to be crazy worth in dps

Seems like wayy to much work tho, would have to be like swap pre divine thunder, or parry, c swap h, parry dodge, attack dodge

All in a sequence

Then swap back to range

With trios desync/delay yeah right

[amber terrace]

they nerf burn dmg

so hard to do with scorch

[north lynx]

Eh the nerf for burn is overblown a bit

[pearl fractal]

So we have to move to ice

Makes no sense

Anyone got a build

[tranquil beacon]

Dark Zero added the builds in the pinned

[west crater]

Did they fix the jade elemental surge? I was testing it yesterday and it doesn't work with thunder and poison

Yesterday = today at dawn

[static holly]

what the heck is elemental surge do :3, and surge > flower now right

[lone umbra]

what is max showdown lvl? 100?

[subtle bramble]

80

i think

[pearl fractal]

How to stop enemies from poisoning you

Cause guess thats common now

[amber terrace]

[hybrid canyon]

give me one

the shard flux

[amber terrace]

lol just 1

[hybrid canyon]

ok just one

you saying like it was easy

[amber terrace]

yea

it just 1 but u say give u 1

lol

[hybrid canyon]

[fierce light]

We went from 700 to 1120 last season iirc. It was always more than 100 levels.

[west crater]

Hey man, can you tell me if they fixed this?

[west crater]

This

[fierce light]

Yeah every Counterstrike, except Valda's and Ziping's has more than 10x Attack scaling. If not that, usually 2 charged attacks will do.

[quaint girder]

Yeah, is why I was telling him it's not different this season the grind time is about the same to get to max.

[fierce light]

There's no trick this time other than just spending your fatigue.

[fierce light]

Oh it heals? I was wondering why it only has 20% Attack scaling. Hits weaker than Wuchen's Skill lol.

[amber terrace]

do u test in training?

[fierce light]

Element Surge is compatible with all the old builds at least.

[west crater]

No, I already dropped one and went to a Yama Abyss to test it. I can't activate Toxin Surge and Thunder Surge, only the ice one.

[stuck bane]

@fierce light do you already know about some new possible souljade builds and potential? Will u update soon the website too?

[fierce light]

It took 2 weeks to reach max sense all the other seasons, still the case now. You can reach 75 this week and 100 the next.

[fierce light]

Not really, cause people still got lucky with the builds and you simply couldn't compete if they had a strong one. The rng was just that bad. Now it's just a matter of if you put the time in.

[humble flare]

That was towards the end of the inital cycle, and you're right. I had a 99% shotgun viper build which was lots of luck

And heaps of playtime

[fierce light]

Not sure what you mean. In free training? You just have to select the different element for it.

[humble flare]

The first 6+months most people didn't even have full purples

[fierce light]

Yeah i dont miss that

Months on end with 0 progress in a build

[humble flare]

Yeah

I enjoyed it tbh

When we got top times it was skill

I understand why they changed it

[amber terrace]

still work normally

[fierce light]

Old recasting system was so complicated to game, but anyone who watched CN videos or had good statistics knowledge would have an advantage

[humble flare]

Yes

[amber terrace]

@west crater i think u need change element core

[humble flare]

Tbf still kind of like that, at least for a minute

[fierce light]

They likely had the wrong Wielding on their Element Surge

[humble flare]

How did showdown changes feel this update?

[quaint girder]

Good

[amber terrace]

do you have % of Frostbite Chain?

15 stacks is too long

[quaint girder]

System consolidation, streamlined processes, easier for first timers

[humble flare]

That's good

[amber terrace]

if it not strong so i can replace it with Element Rush

[fierce light]

Yeah game is probably the most beginner friendly it's been

[humble flare]

I have newer player ask for help in showdown alot

[quaint girder]

It wasn't skill, it was a lot of luck in the extremes. If you had a good build you would always have the advantage over a top skilled player with a sacked build.

[humble flare]

There were no builds

[stuck bane]

@fierce light

[humble flare]

I assure you

It was taking 80-100hrs playtime farming to get a random purple jade

[quaint girder]

There were before the season systems started. Zero made an entire guide on how to setup and build with that awful Quench Crystal system

[quaint girder]

It's the same now if you don't use choice Souljade gifts

[humble flare]

No

It's not

[quaint girder]

The drop rates are still awful like they were before

[humble flare]

I play one match I get 2 golds 3 purples

Back then you would play 1000 matches without seeing a purple

[quaint girder]

Are you talking about Nirritis?

[stone niche]

hi, whats the way to lvl up now sense lvl has been reset?

[quaint girder]

Because Enigma and Normal story (which was what pre-Seasonal Showdown was) still have piss poor rates

[humble flare]

Even the quests huck jades at players now

[stone niche]

builds are in pinned messages

[quaint girder]

It's Showdown levels, just run Nirritis

[humble flare]

And I have over 400 souljade jgifts in inventory

[quaint girder]

Sounds like a you issue.

[stuck bane]

alright thank you, do you know anything about potentials or has someone gave any ideas about one ?

[humble flare]

You're missing the point

You're saying drop rates are the same

[stone niche]

oki thank you ^^

[quaint girder]

I don't miss only being able to play on weekends. I don't miss the frustrating grind to get decent jades to be even a little viable, I don't miss the awful Quench Crystal system that was really bad RNG

[humble flare]

They are not even in same universe

[quaint girder]

They are the same

[humble flare]

Lmao ok

[quaint girder]

Nirritis and Quests are not included in the comparison

[stone niche]

not sure about potentials but im sure in the next week some might appear in the recommended or itll be posted here

[quaint girder]

Nirritis and Quests improved jade farming tremendously.

[stuck bane]

okay thanks a lot !

[humble flare]

You obviously didn't play showdown before it was made casual thats ok

I'm not going to argue with you

[quaint girder]

But if you decided to not do quests and do Enigma and Story only the rates are really bad.

[stone niche]

np ^^

[fierce light]

New possible builds are in the pins, it'll be a while till I can confirm which are best though

[quaint girder]

I did lmfao but sure buddy

[stuck bane]

alrighty

[quaint girder]

Guy argues extreme variance RNG is a skill based game lmfao

[quaint girder]

What does grant additional 3 Blessings mean here?

[amber terrace]

Ex: 9/12 u get this anima it will grant to 12/12

[quaint girder]

ooooooo

So its accelerates the Blessing so you don't have to spend as many anima rings on the trait OR it's clutch to finish a build in harder levels like NS and up.

Nice nice, I assume every trait now has that.

[amber terrace]

yup

all of these

it write in note patch

[humble flare]

It was skill because no one had builds

[quaint girder]

I read it, but I didn't quite understand the wordage because I forgot that the 4 and 8 same anima ring perk is called blessings

[humble flare]

You're obviously too new to understand

[quaint girder]

People did have builds

[humble flare]

Lmao

[quaint girder]

Sure not everyone had perfect builds

[humble flare]

U talking out of your ass

[quaint girder]

but the top 20 had builds.

[humble flare]

I'm talking first 6 months

[quaint girder]

I'm not you arse

[humble flare]

There were 0 builds

[quaint girder]

The first 6 months of Showdown?

[humble flare]

Yes its what I was talking about when you jumped in

Ur dense

Or just don't read

[quaint girder]

Bro I thought you were talking about the few months before Seasons. The first 6 months ofc there are no builds, the game literally started

[humble flare]

Idk

[quaint girder]

Moka you're shite

lol

[humble flare]

That's why I smoke u

[quaint girder]

?

I never played with you lmao

[fierce light]

First 6 months was mainly Backfire + Desperation

[humble flare]

And that's if someone had it

[fierce light]

Cause back then every attack and DMG Bonus you had was multiplicative

It was pretty broken, especially if you rolled good attributes.

[quaint girder]

Literally every new game that comes out is the wild west and there's not defined meta build.

[fierce light]

Couldn't compete with someone, I remember Douya having a cracked build that early

And was out damaging everyone on Viper easily

[quaint girder]

This was my point

[humble flare]

So then why u spend an hr arguing against me when u agree

Dumb asf

[quaint girder]

Because I'm disagreeing that the streamlined processes and new systems that make it a lot more accessible are trash are not trash, they're actually good things

If you want a sandbox game with infinite powerscaling and "skill based" play it wasn't Showdown for sure lmao.

[humble flare]

I don't think u understand wut u saying

Your literally saying points that are countering each other

[quaint girder]

I do, you're basically arguing extreme RNG variance builds was a good thing. Because not a lot of people could get them, meaning you had a shot at "being skilled" and taking a spot on the leaderboards for speedrun.

[humble flare]

That's not what u said

U said the changes are bad

Again

[quaint girder]

I fixed it for you

[humble flare]

See moka was right again

[quaint girder]

English is obviously not your first language because you can't understand implied meaning

[quaint girder]

Moka is an idiot who refers to himself in the third person like a child.

[humble flare]

You impled the changes are bad

[quaint girder]

No you're just arguing grammar semantics at this point.

[humble flare]

Have a good day

[quaint girder]

Yeah, go fark yourself too with your 4 alt accounts.

[humble flare]

U not worth the effort since u can't even form thoughts

[quaint girder]

You're so autistic, you literally can only do simple inputs/outputs like a computer program

fark man

[humble flare]

Ok

Stay mad

Cope

Get rolled

[quaint girder]

nah bro I'm chillin

[humble flare]

There

Simple inputs

[quaint girder]

Was talkin bout you, but if it makes it easier for you bro

[humble flare]

U ass at showdown just like in br

[amber terrace]

hmmm, so Ice Spike or Element Rush is better?

[quaint girder]

You never played with me lmao

[humble flare]

I have

And I've also 1vd your team in br

[quaint girder]

Nice bro? I guess?

You managed to beat a bunch of casual solars?

[quaint girder]

In Showdown lol?

[humble flare]

Yes

Then I think you, Rouge and I all had bf desp

[grim girder]

Hello! Are any builds already figured out for the new season?

[quaint girder]

In the pins, but still WIP

Zer0 will update them as soon as he does more testing

[grim girder]

I'm interested in any builds utilizing 100% moderation if there are any

[quaint girder]

Ice

[fierce light]

Ice Spike. It's pretty much Arcane Thunder on steroids. But it has a cooldown.

[quaint girder]

Chill Spike or Ice Spike or are they the same?

[fierce light]

Same thing

Not that many jades were added

[quaint girder]

Don't you need both?

[amber terrace]

No u can't

[quaint girder]

Why not? I thought you just use Depths, Successive, Frozen Blast, Element Rush, Ice Spike, and Frostbite Chain?

Or did the builds shift again now because of the potentials and live changes?

[amber terrace]

where your Element Surge?

[quaint girder]

Element Rush/Element Surge are different jades?

[amber terrace]

yes

[fierce light]

Element Rush is the purple jade

[quaint girder]

Oh shit

oooooo

[fierce light]

You'd want Sub-Zero Seal over that anyway for Ice

Only 15% Attack

[quaint girder]

I didn't realize, assumed it was a translation thing like Chill/Ice Spike

[quaint girder]

hmm isn't there potential that pops off for surge/rush or am I mistaken?

[amber terrace]

oh forget it =))

[woven musk]

is topaz solo first 3 bosses still the best way to level up sense?

[quaint girder]

oof

Imagine Sub-Zero Seal just being meta for more than 3 seasons lmao

[raven rapids]

hello , how does one trigger yin yang blessings. I just cant seem to figure it out

[wind light]

i have to take 6 type for 1 game ?

[fierce light]

Just retested Ice Thorn's damage, it has a 9.1 multiplier instead of 7.0. They increased it from the Test Server by 30%.

[grim girder]

I have 100% on my Frozen Blast and Successive Ice Blast. I also have wildfall on Element Surge and Depth Blast. What should I put on the last 2 slots for Ice build?

[fierce light]

It now deals the damage of ~4.64 Blossom Blasts

[quaint girder]

Which one? The one that increases luck by 1000+ or the Nirriti's Blessing?

[grim girder]

I believe Yin Yang blessing is over, Curios are outdated

[quaint girder]

Could be talking about the one in Nirriti's where you have to use a regular attack into charged attack or vice versa to pop the Yin-Yang AoE

[amber terrace]

4th times get scorching

dammmmm

where my windfall

[quaint girder]

nice

Scorching that's less than your current

RNG loves you

[grim girder]

Please don't tell me that the ice build requires scorching now 😓

[quaint girder]

It's 100% mod

4 mod 8 WF

[grim girder]

good

[quaint girder]

Ice Spike is a lotta damage lol

Looks like Lightning will be a Windfall Meta again lmao

[fierce light]

Dang ima have to retest all this stuff, I'm getting different numbers than they did in CN

Ice Lotus got nerfed even harder than it was

[raven rapids]

blessings

[stone niche]

is the grind now to just lvl up showdown lvl to max through niritti?

[quaint girder]

Wasn't all the damage frontloaded into the Potentials?

[grim girder]

8 WF is for super rich, I'm not so rich, so I only use 1 WF and dmg to boss, attack and ice blast dmg per souljade.

[quaint girder]

You need a Yin Anima Ring and a Yang Anima Ring that actually adds an additional effect to your attacks.

[raven rapids]

how do i actually trigger it , i had like 12 rings of that attr , but couldnt trigger it at all

[quaint girder]

Once you have those, its just popping a Charged Attack into an Normal Attack or Vice Versa then the Yin-Yang AoE will pop

[fierce light]

Not really, the big ones are still at the edges

[raven rapids]

oo... thanks so much

[quaint girder]

Aegis Break skills count as normal attacks

[wind light]

help me this

[grim girder]

Last season was all about lotuses. I put away my maxed out Lotus jades for next seasons, I think they might become viable again in the next season.

[quaint girder]

So most people will just Charged into an Aegis Break and Yin-Yang should pop

[amber terrace]

yo watssup scorching

[quaint girder]

Another one of my Chamber Mates did this

[quaint girder]

Bro that's the 5th time.

[amber terrace]

this 5

[quaint girder]

That's what I meant sorry, brain farted

[quaint girder]

Just hit the first level of Blessing on 6 different anima ring type

its not hard if you focus Currency Blessings (except for Might which burns your gold) and then use the excess wealth to purchase different types of anime rings

[wind light]

ah undersdtand

[quaint girder]

I figured that they nerfed the shit out of Hydroflare and TScorch from Seasons 1.5 and 2.0, they would probably nerf Ghastbloom and fark people's meta builds.

The only consistent thing they've kept are "Core" Elemental Souljades.

For DT that's Thunderpull and Thundercounter. For Ice its Successive Ice Blase and a toss up between Frozen Blast and Depths Blast.

Those are probably the safest investments for rares

For Poison it's still in flux, but Pestilent Pool seems to be consistent across all Poison builds so far.

[north lynx]

Ngl

Scorching is a rare attribute

[woven musk]

45 fatigue from nirriti gives me 225 exp with 50% bonus @150%

[north lynx]

It's criminal they are pushing away it's viability

[quaint girder]

It's probably because it ignores Aegis which is a big thing in Yama's

Since you realistically can't break it.

[north lynx]

It wasn't even good last patch because they added curios to super charge lotus

[quaint girder]

It's kinda weird though, they nerfed Scorching specifically while Poison still exists and ignores Aegis. Also Lotuses just dealt so much elemental damage past Aegis it's basically brute forcing.

[fierce light]

Here are the new Lotus numbers vs the old. They nerfed it by almost 2/3rds.

[woven musk]

i feel like you simply get more exp when you drain more fatigue?

[quaint girder]

Water is wet lmao

[quaint girder]

Jesus

that's awful, entire investments scream into the void only to meet silence

[woven musk]

i mean you dont have to run topaz 3 bosses for maximum exp per fatigue efficiency anymore

[quaint girder]

Yeah because they merged Sense and Potential.

[north lynx]

Perfect run solos, downed 0 times, good boss rng, I could only get a 3 min time with TLS. Ice build? Easy 1:30, considerably less effort.

[quaint girder]

Nirritis was still king for Potential Leveling, but sucked ass at Sense Levels

Now they're merged, but they kept the exp scaling for Nirritis so people don't need to run Enigma

[north lynx]

Like what's the point of scorching now, other than just griefing your rolls?

[woven musk]

ok ill just spam nirritis, topaz bosses are cancer this season

[hollow light]

Hi guys, just got back from the game, is thunder scorch still the best build late game wise? Am hesitant to do a new build

[quaint girder]

It looks like the pipeline they're currently trying to build is play Nirriti's for Fire Forge/Showdown Level/Carved Crystal, then swap to Enigma for Souljades, then farm Inferno to then get Curios and finish off with Yama 20

[north lynx]

No but it's fine to use for now

[quaint girder]

Not anymore, it's a viable build, but won't be highest DPS for Yama rankings.

[north lynx]

I can solo enigma and up to solar 2 on a 50 level deficient

[hollow light]

thanks, what's leading rn? Lotus?

[north lynx]

Probably ice charge

[quaint girder]

Indeed

[north lynx]

But it's still too early

[quaint girder]

I feel like they should just redo burn and scorching

as well as hydroscorch

just turn it into its own element Fire

and give it a slightly different twist to DoT mechanics compared to poison

[hollow light]

I see, okay, i'll keep a lookout on what's new

[north lynx]

I just wish they would keep things viable. There will always be 1-2 best builds, but everything should be close enough

[quaint girder]

Lotus got sacked too, the damage has been reduced by basically 66% across the board.

[north lynx]

Remember skyfire

[quaint girder]

Elemental Surge/Rush builds with their accompanying Jades are the meta rn

[north lynx]

Defuse hydroflare?

They did the same thing to those

Now it's pushing lotus out

[fierce light]

Alright all my numbers on the spreadsheet should be up to date now

[north lynx]

It's a pattern

[quaint girder]

Make it so its not so egregious. Like if you can get 1:30 clear with Ice make it so Scorching can do like 1:40ish

[north lynx]

100%

[quaint girder]

Oh man, only Wuchen could pull it off

[fierce light]

I'll do some parses later, but that buff to Ice Spike is looking like Ice is definitely the meta

[hollow light]

ah fudge, I was looking at Dark Zero's site and thought nothing much changed, okay I better just grind for now and see what's the current meta

[fierce light]

Scorching got nerfed less than Lotus

[quaint girder]

I correctly predicted this pattern since Hydroflare.

[safe seal]

Carry when?

[north lynx]

It feels playable

[quaint girder]

It was nerfed hard last season so it's not as bad this time around so you can still play it

[north lynx]

But I know the new charge stuff will blow it out

[fierce light]

HydroFlare DMG is at most 45% weaker than before. Lotus is ~60-65% weaker.

[quaint girder]

looks like they make all old season build viable, but not leaderboard viable.

[wind light]

whattttttttttttttt

noway

[quaint girder]

But is it 45% weaker than last season OR from its inception?

[north lynx]

Last

[fierce light]

Well element dmg (Thunder Counter, Ice Blast, etc) not being nerfed probably makes it about even.

[quaint girder]

Yeah so cumulatively it's probably similar to Lotus right now.

[north lynx]

Except I'm p sure Surge builds slam both

[north lynx]

And ranged builds too

[quaint girder]

Meaning it looks like the pattern now is they push out a new Jade mechanic like Hydroflare, Lotuses, and Surge now. Then they'll nerf it the next season. Looks like base element build jades like Thunder Counter, Successive Ice Blast are stable investments for rares.

[quaint girder]

Wouldn't be surprised if they nerf ranged with surge next season

[quaint girder]

Do you have a bar graph for Lotus' changes

[north lynx]

Not a fan of that pattern. People will build new builds and play showdown. You don't need to cycle out older builds to get people to grind.

[quaint girder]

If we compare Lotus's change to Scorching's 1.5 to 3.0 we should see similar %'s

[north lynx]

Esp if you make the new stuff slightly better

Instead of extremely

[quaint girder]

I'm not either. I get it gets engagement, but artificially making that engagement is no bueno

[north lynx]

Whenever

[safe seal]

I need the topaz or a nighscteam girl to unlock the chill spike, im missing only this

[quaint girder]

I do too

But stuck in office. Not enough time to play new update.

[hidden creek]

it's so...

messy

lmao

😂

[misty bridge]

That's new ice meta?

[fierce light]

Here you go:

[hidden creek]

not yet

i need the other jade

to replace subzero

but i haven't got it

[misty bridge]

Frostbound?

[fierce light]

Frostbound won't work without Elemental Lotus

[misty bridge]

So which one is

[hidden creek]

this one

[fickle linden]

new jades are farmed from chapter7?

[misty bridge]

dang so basically is a new set of jades lmao

[fierce light]

They pretty much lined up the intended builds in free training

[hidden creek]

3 old 3 new

gonna be a pain in the ass trying to get perfect mod and windfall again

[misty bridge]

Why they do that? now lotus is useless right?

[misty bridge]

I feel u

[fickle linden]

ice surge is same old 4x mod 8x wf?

[hidden creek]

should be

[amber terrace]

yes

[hidden creek]

new ice heavily favor using skills

so mod is a must

and most of its dmg is still from ice blast so yeah windfall where you can

ice jade literally tell you to use your skill lol

while poison is using aegis break/defuse counter attack and thunder is using weapon attack

looks like thunder and poison doesn't need, or even doesn't want 100% mod

they need more windfall

[grim girder]

Is Elemental Rush better than Sub Zero?

[hidden creek]

it's not

[quaint girder]

rip, the end result coeffcients are the same, but the ratio nerf is much higher than Scorching builds.

[fierce light]

5% less Attack, no

[quaint girder]

Lotus had not only a harder drop than Scorching, it happened in literally one Season.

So we went from powerful Lotus spammers, to now as weak as Scorch

But in game it feels much much worse since we're looking at an almost 3.0 coefficient loss in one season vs Scorch's 1.5 over two seasons.

[north lynx]

Weaker most likely

[fierce light]

The bar chart for Burn/HydroFlare is for the DMG Bonus, the coefficients for it haven't changed though. So it still has crazy high base damage.

[quaint girder]

Oh I see, thanks for the clarification

So Lotus is even worse because it doesn't have the base numbers lmaoooo

[lusty prism]

Question, the curios are inactive right?

[north lynx]

Scorching builds woulda been king last patch if curios didn't 180 the meta

[quaint girder]

With Zer0's correction yep

[quaint girder]

Tarka Enrage lol

[quaint girder]

Yes, but if you had the luck bonus activated, its still active this season

[north lynx]

Even without the absurd tarka build, the bonuses to elemental accumulation and blossom blast was too much

[quaint girder]

I feel like Thunder Lotus was in a really good spot

[north lynx]

Tls?

Or like scaling thunder

Regular tl

[quaint girder]

Regular TL I think

[north lynx]

Yeah it was good, high scaling.

Scorching builds just didn't get much

[quaint girder]

Was like TP, TC, TP, TL, ThunderousLotus, and MLC

it wasn't broken bonkers like Ice or even Poison

but felt good to play and pilot and rewarded good skill

[north lynx]

I think that build had higher scaling than both

[lusty prism]

Damn the potential plan reset as well?

[quaint girder]

sad it got nerf.

[quaint girder]

Probably did, but people never used it

Mod is just too strong with successive ice blast

Now with Successive and Spike your skill is never on CD

especially for Justina who ignore freeze and scales off of ice or at least that's what I heard someone say

[north lynx]

Eh justina can't freeze bosses

Doesn't really have any self ice things as far as I'm aware

Her f is good

[fierce light]

It resets every season

[north lynx]

But worse than tarka f or tessa, or even matari

Justina, while fun, is no zip release

[lusty prism]

Oh I didn’t know, this was my first season playing showdown

[quaint girder]

Is Zippy still queen of Showdown?

I haven't been able to test this morning, quickly did dailies before I had to catch my bus for work

[north lynx]

Idk depends on builds. Will still probably be a top tier tho

[fierce light]

I saw a video in CN saying she scales from Ice

[quaint girder]

I wonder if some CN players are bullshitting

[north lynx]

Is it from the hidden bonuses in ult?

[fierce light]

But so far it just looks like she benefits from a free Moderation from being frozen

[quaint girder]

Probably best way to test is too see if she deals more damage in V and F hit with and without Ice Element Damage substats

To see if she truly scales

Otherwise she just has better synergy with Ice than other elements because she can just F out of a badly timed freeze

[fierce light]

Oh shit

They weren't bullshitting

[quaint girder]

OH WHAT

FR ZERO?

SHE ACTUALLY SCALES OFF OF ICE ELEMENT DAMAGE?

[fierce light]

Bottom was with Frozen Blast + Depth's Blast.

Top was with nothing

[wind light]

there is a bug

i completed nightscream with low health

[quaint girder]

But which parts of her? Just F/V or includes her damage.

[north lynx]

Wait that's like

Double

That's crazy wtf

[quaint girder]

what the fuck

that's double

[fierce light]

Yeah +95% Ice Blast DMG

[lusty prism]

That’s been a challenge

[quaint girder]

HOLY SHIT

Hmm

[fierce light]

No wonder my Justina cleared Solar so much faster than Ziping lol

[quaint girder]

same build?

Both running Ice?

If they are that's massive, basically meta has shifted to Justina only DPS

[fierce light]

+0 Ice-Wielding lol

[quaint girder]

basically it will be Zippy, Kuwumba, Justina comp with everyone super soldiering Justina

[quaint girder]

bro this is actually huge

So basically meta is specifically Justina + Ice Build for first time clearing.

[fierce light]

Her Skill isn't affected, just her Ultimate

[quaint girder]

ahh

how about her LS Attacks?

[wind light]

its a bug

i completed nightscream but it didnt complete

[quaint girder]

If that's the case, I wonder if its better to run Rage substats on her or wait for Curios?

[north lynx]

I figured it had to be in her ult. It's the altered aegis breaks right?

[amber terrace]

wrong translate

<10% HP

not >10%

[quaint girder]

10% is a lot smaller than you think. You basically have to be at sub 10% when the final boss dies

The best way to do this is get that Green Scroll Rare Perk that increases attack but constantly degenerates HP

And just don't die

Ziping and Kurumis will mess your runs

so its better to just run solo as Wuchen or a safer hero and get that perk

[wind light]

ahshit

[fierce light]

Doesn't appear to be affected either.

[quaint girder]

Yeah it's not 10% once during the run, it's less than 10% as soon as the finall boss dies

[quaint girder]

hmm

Okay it's big, but not as big as I thought

[fierce light]

Yeah that challenge is pretty difficult since they nerfed poison.

[quaint girder]

So could it also be a hinderance to Justina if she doesn't land her ulti?

[fierce light]

Yeah if anything sits in your Ultimate, that's a lot of damage

[quaint girder]

Like if you create the AoE and Korvine decides to fly out

yeah just I thought