👾┃showdown

[dusky cosmos]

i might be confused, if they were already soaked from her ability then id do 2x parry, if they weren't then i'd do 4

[fierce light]

So the timing to soak before a Thunder Counter is pretty tight, since the Thunder Counter animation is around 2.3s total

[hidden creek]

i can't do the math but i doubt it will bring higher dps than divine thunder focused build or scorching/hydroflare focused build

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, in theory i would just need to hit them with 1 hit during the soak timing though and then i could cast again after

[hidden creek]

so like when ur thundershock bar is almost full you hit the target with ur F, then parry, then dash attack into another parry into another attack?

that's if you have you F ready

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, although from the training room the dash doesnt seem to be necessary

[hidden creek]

how comes

[dusky cosmos]

F -> parry -> attack -> parry -> attack, though realistically dashing is probably safer version

i seem to get two attacks in without the dash idk 🤷

[hidden creek]

oh you mean the parry counterattack

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, or just right click

[fierce light]

If you're doing that

Then I guess i should calc without Ghastbloom and Copper Ward instead

[hidden creek]

even on static target this doesn't looks bright (mainly because of the lack of setups for scorching damages) not to mention mobile target

[dusky cosmos]

i could do 4x counter, and then just the 1 proc i guess

i assume probably not worth giving up the divine thunder damage 2x for one scorching proc

[hidden creek]

yeah that's why i said you lose dmg either way

can't have best of both worlds

[dusky cosmos]

well the scorching hit is an additional hit though right? so i suppose questions is, is the 1 scorching/hydroflare hit > the divine thunder damage lost everywhere else?

"hit" being used loosely here

[hidden creek]

better wait for dark to work his magic lol

i can't deal with numbers

also what attributes you gonna run on your jades?
hp/divine thunder dmg/attack/4 scorchings and 2 windfalls?

[dusky cosmos]

yeah

[fierce light]

Do you have an example rotation you're planning?

I was going with x2 Dragonslayers + Ne Zha's Might, but it's hard to slot in Valda's Skill before the Thunder Counter with that.

[dusky cosmos]

you can cancel out of nezha's first hit with her ability, so that's what i do alot

if i look like im gonna get hit i defuse out of nezha and if i dont then i use ability

so prob what you said it's just not as bad in practice

[fierce light]

Okay, so think I found a rotation for double Scorching:

Dragonslayer
Ne Zha's Might
Skill
Dragonslayer
Ne Zha's Might
Parry - Dodge Cancel - Uncharged Vertical
Parry - Dodge Cancel - Uncharged Vertical

The timing is extremely tight following the skill use though.

[dusky cosmos]

two single charged horizontal seem to get you there as well

sorry, after the first nezha's might

[fierce light]

Okay yeah that feels better

and likely more practical, just the issue of the Thundershock decay would make it tight as well.

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, the thing i liked about tabbies build is i think the thundershock from the lotus impact makes it more forgiving

[fierce light]

Yeah

Main issue with going the double Scorching route is that you'll mainly have 2 Lotus active at a time

More if you manage to land a parry from the enemy or are fighting multiple enemies so you can charge Thunderpull faster.

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, i think the first time i'd probably do 4 counters to get them going. If i'm using ghastbloom in theory i'd do 4 counters and 1 hit everytime cause then i get 2 blossom blasts + 2 counter thunder things

i don't know if 25% attack is worth it but... also wondering if frostbound lotus is any good here after they made the frostbite defusable

[fierce light]

Damn this reminds me of what was annoying about Thunder builds is it's so inconsistent

The rotation works, but you'll have to cancel after the Dragonslayer following the last Thunder Counter

Cause of the internal cooldown, it's not considered, which makes things wonky after the first rotation.

Still I'll just use it as a reference.

This is the stats for the loopable rotation with Ghastbloom:

Dragonslayer
Ne Zha's Might
Skill
Horizontal 1st Charge
Horizontal 1st Charge
Thunder Counter
Counterstrike (Dodge Cancel)

-# Asssumes you have x6 Attack, x6 Health, x6 Divine Thunder DMG, x4 [Scorching] & x2 [Windfall].

[dusky cosmos]

am i read it correct that blossom blast is a 17% damage increase?

not sure if all attack % is multiplicative, but would one of the 25% attack increases be more overall damage then?

[fierce light]

Yeah lemme get to that rq

[dusky cosmos]

thanks a bunch i wouldnt know where to start trying to calc this stuff

[fierce light]

This is that same rotation with Frostbound Lotus instead of Ghastbloom:

[dusky cosmos]

hmm so less dps, interesting

based on this it seems like a lot more damage to do 2x counter then right?

also, last question 😬 do you have an idea of how much just "generic ice build" does compared to this? if you already got once calc'd from another hero that's fine im just wondering what the reference point is

[fierce light]

This is the 2x Scorching rotation with Copper Ward, assuming you cancel out of the 2nd Ne Zha's Might with her Skill right before Thunderpull charges up. I tried it with the Charged Horizontal and it ended up having to use it 3 times and is hard to work her skill around.

Dragonslayer
Ne Zha's Might
Dragonslayer
Ne Zha's Might
Skill
(Divine Thunder activates) 
Parry - Dodge Cancel - Uncharged Vertical 
Parry - Counterstrike 

-# Assumes you have x6 Attack, x6 Health, x6 Divine Thunder DMG, x4 [Scorching] & x2 [Windfall].

[dusky cosmos]

hmm so basically getting an "extra" 28% damage from the divine thunder, but we could be scaling burn even more and doing it more often

[fierce light]

So I guess technically you could get an extra edge with Valda for Thunder Scorch v2.

Don't think you should use Divine Thunder as a base for it though.

[dusky cosmos]

ya, so still frost and then potentially a dps increaser in for draco stride, which based on these it seems like copper ward still?

maybe frostbound for safety

[hidden creek]

keep in mind that this doesn't include the parries from bosses's blue attacks tho

[fierce light]

This is with the full Hydroflare potential (no Thunder Root).

You end up charging Thunderpull too quickly for your ability to be ready in time

[dusky cosmos]

all roads leads back to draco stride 😭

[fierce light]

I guess this'll be the next build I work on so it won't be so painful to use off-meta heroes.

[dusky cosmos]

you've already done a ton to help, i'm hoping this new slot/weapon/whatever can actually make things more diverse per hero

[fierce light]

Valda's ability would be good if Cloudscorch wasn't so weak and she had more hits on her attacks, like say Kurumi.

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, thanks for the help Dark

[fierce light]

You're welcome

[regal silo]

Can anyone give me an endgame souljade build so I know which ones to hold onto?

[plain spire]

Pinned messages has it

[regal silo]

Ohhh thank you

[quaint girder]

Zero, if I were to add 4 Scorching or 4 Moderation to just one jade, would it still work?

[spice canyon]

Should be

[cold needle]

does anybody know where i can find high level teammates to play showdown with?

this matchmaking time issue is really making it hard

[fierce light]

Yes, but not only would it be significantly more expensive, you'll end up with less stats in the end.

[timid stirrup]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1045610531953852446

[lyric roost]

https://tenor.com/view/alijah-martin-florida-florida-gators-gators-florida-basketball-gif-3100210199119658942

[amber terrace]

[fickle linden]

hold on to one jade of each in case for future changes

[zealous patrol]

https://b23.tv/a9lzH0K

[sour wedge]

oh I can’t wait to use this!

[chrome seal]

I'm wondering what's the new function they gonna add they talked about in the dev talk
I hope it has nothing to do with range weapons

But I'm thinking maybe they'd remove all weapon specific jades and if you keep all of those, you might potentially exchange them from faded status into golden jades and get 4x fragments out of those

[fierce light]

It'll let you choose which effect you want from what it sounded like, but it can change weapon, skill or ultimate effects

I save the faded jades as free choice gifts

[cerulean skiff]

[timid stirrup]

thank you /bow

[balmy harness]

You can delete your own messages

[turbid agate]

What does this mean? They're changing Ulta and abilities?

[fierce light]

This.

Sounds similar to the Ultimate Enhances we had in the past. Just won't take a Souljade Slot.

[hidden creek]

bruh i already forgot what those ultimate enhance jades does lmao

[turbid agate]

They took them out, and just gave it naturally to them.

The only one that didn't, from what I remember, is wuchen. He used to be able to summon his ult swords w his aegis ability.

[hidden creek]

i know

what i don't remember is what was the ults before without the jades

[turbid agate]

Oh lol

[hidden creek]

iirc viper can't attack during V

other characters i forgot completely already

[turbid agate]

Kurumi= the jade have her ult the damage buff

Yueshan and Tianhai, improved their ult parry

Feria overload shot
Valds improved water spears, more aegis damage.
Tarka, being able to get rage back from attacking
Temulch, that center rock storm that does more aegis damage

The other I don't remember

[fierce light]

Tessa and Ziping came out after them. But Matari was able to gain back Rage while her Skill buff was active during her Ultimate. Wuchen's made your Aegis-Break and Defuse Counterattack deal extra hits of damage during his Ultimate.

[fickle linden]

how many showdown battlepasses there has been before this current one?

[fierce light]

1.0, 1.5 & 2.0
-# 3 total.

[hidden creek]

missed the first one

[quaint girder]

Kurumi Pink Martial Skills

I love how they look with her extreme kill effect

[hidden creek]

screw kurumi

useless character

i just want the bow

[quaint girder]

She may be a useless walnut, but she's a cute walnut

[fierce light]

Didn't they give Kurumi a faster animation for her skill in PvP?

[hidden creek]

idk lol i never play her on pvp

[hidden creek]

fair

[fierce light]

https://youtu.be/ZOrCaoDrq6I?si=01_sAQ73aDbcjSi0

Yeah they did, idk how much faster though since they did it so slow

Feels slow if it applied to PvE though

[analog aspen]

playing peak with randoms on EU is just impossible...

This weekend I played over 20 peak games on sea with a 200 ping and never failed to beat 8 bosses

on EU you wait for 30min and get only trolls

[hidden creek]

you do random matching what did you expect lol

[analog aspen]

well, I can't solo it so that's the only option I have

[turbid agate]

Not everyone has fully optimal, maxed out builds dude lol. And know all the mechanics

[analog aspen]

If you deal less than 1million dmg in 17min you should not be allowed to play it

just play topaz if you're not good enough

[hidden creek]

i mean they maybe never tried peak and just want to see how it is

you can't forbid them from trying

[analog aspen]

unlucky for me I guess

[hidden creek]

when you do random literally anything could happens lol

[turbid agate]

I get that dude, it's happened to me plenty of times w randoms but I don't trip. It's a game and I play for fun. I ain't getting paid for being crazy efficient and having everything lol. But I get the frustration

[hidden creek]

it's even worse on pvp

[analog aspen]

I probably just dont play it on EU anymore

it never happened on sea so far

but playing with a 200 ping is just not very satisfying

[turbid agate]

SEA is always popping right? Find matches quick, never possible in NA, for pve

[analog aspen]

yes, depending on the daytime queues pop pretty quick

[stone niche]

what do you do when you use a flux jade and get the wrong rare attribute? do you just keep it until you get another flux to flip it again? or just reroll? (I'm new to this part)

[hidden creek]

you could either roll that rare into a high value non-rare attribute, to then roll that high value attribute into a non-rare high value attribute you want

or if other non-rare attributes on your jade is maxed then you could leave the unwanted rare as it is, get next flux and imbue on it again

[lucid ore]

This auto-recast thing is so nice

[fierce light]

If:
- Souljade doesn't have 2 maxed non-rare attributes.
Then: 
- Reroll the unwanted rare attribute until a maxed non-rare attribute appears.

If:
- Souljade has two maxed non-rare attributes.
Then:
- Use Flux Shards to reroll into a different rare attribute.

[fierce light]

Jesus 151 recasts

[lucid ore]

is that high? seems pretty normal for me

lol

[fierce light]

I hover around 100-110

[lucid ore]

been needing to do that for flux jade to recast another sub into rare and I think i've average around there. Though I wasn't counting exactly like that before this patch

I'll start keeping tracks now I guess

[fierce light]

Rarely do I go over 2 full guarantees for a rare

[hidden creek]

common ah to me

once i was able to stock up 600 frags and i got 3 rares out of it

[fickle linden]

5 bosses in 18 min is rough times

[fickle linden]

have you tried NA? should be better for ping

thought i have only heard about how dead NA is so probably can't even find a game lol

[fierce light]

5 bosses in 18mins sounds really painful

[fickle linden]

my ping in NA is like 100-120

SEA it's stupid high, unplayable for me

[fickle linden]

that is like 2 full runs 👀

how long does your peak runs take in average dark?

[fierce light]

7-8 minutes

[dusky cosmos]

do we have a discord justice chamber?

[fickle linden]

don't think since people all play on different servers

but dunno 🤷‍♂️

[sly kestrel]

@fierce light a fan of shadow slave here ? 🥹

[fierce light]

Haha yeah

[sly kestrel]

My man Give me high 5

This photo for him was insane when I saw it

Oh u also read supremacy games

[sly kestrel]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1238251923123994644

[fierce light]

Yeah I finished it last December.

nod

[sly kestrel]

I can recommend u one of the best novels if u have free time read it

Beyond the Timescape

[fierce light]

I'll add it to my list to check it out

Shadow Slave and Primal Hunter my main 2 atm

[tacit nest]

now i have every jade for ice build

whats the essences supoosed to be on it

i heard its not supposued to be all ice

[twin ledge]

Wym

[sly kestrel]

Primal Hunter? What is it about

[twin ledge]

If it’s ice lotus it’s ice essence just having one of them not ice it losing alot of dmg

[sly kestrel]

ice build = ice essence bro

[twin ledge]

Only build u can do that with is thunder burn

[tacit nest]

my bad

i thought i heard something about it being bad bc it built up the freezing too much

[twin ledge]

Ur thinking of depths

[tacit nest]

apologies

just remember something of the sort a while ago

[twin ledge]

Depths could technically be good now

Since we can defuse freeze

But no room to put it on

[fierce light]

Only time you don't want all Ice is if you're running the Yushan Shadows + Depths Blast build. Would only consider that on Kurumi really, but she would be better off on a Thunder Lotus Scorch build.

[fierce light]

The MC isn't as clever as in Shadow Slave, but has a similar powerset in that they're really good at scouting and good battle IQ. The entire Earth is thrust into a universe where there's a system, similar to the Spell, and they have to go through system events, similar to Nightmares, for more benefits.

[sly kestrel]

gonan give it a try

[fierce light]

MC almost goes down the Shadow path as well lol

[sly kestrel]

haha that's why it's ur main novel xD

[tacit nest]

thank u for the answers

appreciate it

[zealous patrol]

Find fixed teammates

For peak just 2 person boss 1 person jungle

1 semi built moderation ice or poison set does the job

[timid stirrup]

No. 1 Supreme Warrior had MC go the shadow route also

[sly kestrel]

supreme warrior a novel ?

or a char in primal hunter

[timid stirrup]

novel. "No. 1 Supreme Warrior"

[fierce light]

Oh thought you were saying it was the no. 1 novel lol

[twin ledge]

So am I the only one that feels like drops were nerfed badly or something

I used elixers almost 75% of my fatigue and I gained 300 less fragments than I did when I ran only the event

And before event was out was gaining like a little over 700 week just from ruins and 500 in event now it’s like 400 this week just no way I’m seeing blues only every game

Actually starting to get upset and disappointed in this game I need the new ice jade or trying to get another cause other one I had had about the lowest % possible

The new ice one but I can’t get gold jades to appear really making me mad I had the flux and mats to max it but I can’t get it to drop I knew I shouldn’t have got rid of the other one

[fierce light]

Only time I gained around 700 was when I ran a lot of Enigma Peak. I think you were just pretty lucky. I get around 500 from mainly Nirriti and ~375 from SND.

[twin ledge]

Something is def up with drops tho

I was at 1600 and up to 2070

I gained 5k catch up

I know for a fact before event was out drops were not this bad

[fierce light]

5k is pretty unlucky yeah

[twin ledge]

Yea because I’m only getting blue jades

[fierce light]

SND gave me up to 8-10k Catch Up

[twin ledge]

It’s not even giving me normal ruin keys

[fierce light]

But around 3k is usually a good amount of luck

[twin ledge]

And just now was prob the most fucking catch up I’ve seen holy shit

U can gain 800 catch up at once!!!!!!!

Oh hell nah

Ima try nightscream fuck that lol

[twin ledge]

I’m not farming peak till

Ima save gold keys for next season

For when sense gets up ima use only gold keys the first 1 or 2 weeks

[fierce light]

Ima use regular keys for that

Enigma Peak comes out so late

[quaint girder]

Oh shit Kurumi got a massive glowup

But this looks different

I wonder what will happen to wielding jades

[fierce light]

Probably faded out as well

Wasn't a fan of investing into a Souljade only one hero could use

[fickle linden]

cool animation on that

[steep wadi]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV17FXLYCEzR?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=13edb8f15f28dc14dfa9c4f975f1c9c2

[fierce light]

Ah the effects you'll get from the new system will be random

So it'll be a bit of a grind, hopefully they added a pity system, but dunno if there will be that many options anyway.

[quaint girder]

mann

imagine losing your wielding jade animations to the gambling void

nice

[fierce light]

By random I mean it'll be kinda like recasting

But still there's only so many effects they can add, so it'll depend on how expensive Chaos Stones are.

[quaint girder]

ah man

I haven't even fully build 12 rares yet on any build

[fierce light]

Oh we'll get them from a new mode

Looks like you can upgrade Magic Weapons too, so the RNG might not be so bad cause of few options.

[chrome seal]

Do I get it right that the weapon jades will fade?

[fierce light]

2nd half of each season?! So we gotta wait even longer?

[south tusk]

Yooo Kuwuba

[hearty rivet]

Dunno, this week I'm about 800 or 900 fatigue only. Last week got more balanced loot from the 1st 600 fatigue peak runs, usually 4-5 gold sjs + 12-15 purple ones, this week IIRC got like 10-15 fragments less from that part in total with higher variance in gold souljade numbers.

[fierce light]

Zani appreciator I see

[hearty rivet]

Based on all the other RNGs this game has I'm prepared for the worst and maybe will get a pleasant surprise.

[fierce light]

I'm glad we're getting some different gameplay loops at least

[timid stirrup]

I've been getting 5 carved crystals per run at 100% reward in nirriti

[fierce light]

Hopefully this will all be testable in the free training area, or I'll be screwed trying to calculate all this

[fickle linden]

magic weapons

whats going ooonn

[normal socket]

wait, it doesn't roll a maxed non rare attribute if i roll the rare attribute though?

i just did that and when it rolled attack and it was 1% lol instead of 4

[woven ingot]

Rolling a rare gives a random attribute between 80 and 100%

[fierce light]

It's not guaranteed to be maxed, just have to keep going until one appears.

Can't use Auto Recast for it

[normal socket]

I see

cuz i kept getting 1s and 2s

[fierce light]

It's not guaranteed, you're going to have to roll a few times.

Random % in and random % out

[normal socket]

ic...

[fierce light]

It skips the expensive step of Value Recast later which will take significantly more materials.

[normal socket]

also this build is officially dead and taken over by ice lotus ye? @fierce light

[fierce light]

That build was killed when they introduced Thunder Lotus

[normal socket]

not like it was good to begin with but

yea thought so

ice lotus or thunder lotus better? @fierce light

[twin ledge]

Ice lotus is atm

[fierce light]

+75% Attack compared to x2.6 Thunder DMG.

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus generally. For heroes with a weak Skill though, Thunder Lotus Scorch is seeming to be better.

[normal socket]

viper though is ice im assuming cuz her f is op?

[calm palm]

Anyone wanna duo

[fierce light]

Yeah.

[normal socket]

another question after u unlocked a second rare attribute by using flux can u reroll a rare attribute if u got the wrong one

[twin ledge]

If there is more than one no

[fierce light]

Can only get a Rare from Recasting if it will be the only rare.

[normal socket]

so only flux jade can reroll a second rare even if second rare is unlocked?

holy .........

[twin ledge]

Yea

[fierce light]

That's why you make sure the first rare is what you want.

Before you go into the second.

[normal socket]

well thunderscorch is worse now so i wanted to reroll scorch but looks like imma just keep it

[fierce light]

It's still one of the strongest builds

Particularly for Solo Yama's Abyss.

[normal socket]

isn't ice lotus just better now

[fierce light]

In most areas yes, but anywhere you can farm parries, like solo Yama's Abyss or even sometimes trios Thunder Scorch is better.

[twin ledge]

In trios yea

But some levels do best with 1 thunder burn and 2 ice lotus in trios

[normal socket]

oh

oki

thank you both

[twin ledge]

Well there are some where 3 thunder burns is better

[normal socket]

@twin ledge @fierce light how do yall farm for fragment since that event is always available, i miss it

[fierce light]

The event is pretty inefficient, it's just good on time.

Enigma Peak for fragments, Nirriti's Ruins for crystals.

[normal socket]

ic

[normal socket]

and in Enigma Peak I am assuming thunder scorch is horrid

[fierce light]

Not horrid per say, but just harder to use. You'd be stuck on bossing duty as well.

[amber terrace]

gud new skill

[dusky cosmos]

whats this from?

[fierce light]

CN Special Preview

English version should be out tommorow they said.

[amber terrace]

new season showdown in june

[fierce light]

Here's info on every heroes' Skill:

[amber terrace]

poor for Valda Cui now

she is rat now

[analog aspen]

I cannot understand how someone tested that skill and thought it's ok to leave it in the game like this

[fierce light]

The idea of it not expiring on hydroflare is cool, but the duration is too short to make it worthwhile. Only makes Cloudscorch slightly viable on her.

[signal kite]

Whoaaaa looks cool

[fierce light]

Satisfying doing parry chains. Makes me mad whenever I'm not running Thunder Scorch though.

[hearty rivet]

Don't be, in my experience bosses refuse to blue attack when they face tscorch build 😓 (maybe they just dislike me, dunno)

[warped falcon]

New boss???

[amber terrace]

yes

[amber terrace]

haha same, i got 8 parry from this boss

[warped falcon]

Wooow im so excited to fight her

[amber terrace]

she same clan with telmuch

4 character can parry with ranged weapon

[turbid agate]

She looks dope
Hopefully they make Temulch the most broken character in showdown next season lol 🫠

[amber terrace]

they will add more gift in battlepass

new yueshan V become

[turbid agate]

Ult change? Or ult skin?

[amber terrace]

V change

[turbid agate]

Ahh

[signal kite]

Crazzyyyyyy

[warped falcon]

IKR

She can step on me

[signal kite]

Desperate

[warped falcon]

[amber terrace]

Hengyue will step u

as Yushan

[warped falcon]

Is that her name?

Oh lmao

[amber terrace]

this is her name

[warped falcon]

No idea i dont know Chinese T.T

[amber terrace]

use image to text AI bot =))

[warped falcon]

All right double chin smiley x

[glacial fable]

So whats yalls guess on the new paragon boss tomorrow?

Whos it gonna be

[amber terrace]

i think fire boss

Fire - Rock boss

or Fire - 2nd Thunder boss

[glacial fable]

I hope its everything but not korvina

[amber terrace]

i think Korvine at P14

[glacial fable]

Damn thats gonna be hard

[hearty rivet]

Scorch + Fiery Monster?

[amber terrace]

yea

[turbid agate]

does any1 know what mission drops arcane thunder?

[plain spire]

Nirriti NS, Enigma Domain

[hearty rivet]

Huh, this is curious, on Eu servers most of the heroes have less than or around 10 yama 11 solo kills, Yueshan has 22 and Zippy has 40+ 👀

[hidden creek]

isn't that normal

cuz yueshan and zipping is broken?

[fierce light]

Ziping and Yueshan at the top of the meta.

[hearty rivet]

I mean yeah, but the difference is shocking!

[fierce light]

Matari is just harder to use than them, but also at the top.

[hidden creek]

meanwhile temmy and valda 😂

[hearty rivet]

yeah 3rd is Matari with 13 kills

[fierce light]

Few heroes with the Golden 3:

1. Strong Skill
2. Strong Ultimate
3. High Weapon DPS

[hearty rivet]

poor poor those two 😔 Actually Temulch, and Yoto, Valda is only 1 kill behind Tarka (4 and 5)

[hidden creek]

valda temmy yoto tianhai kurumi

no one plays

[fierce light]

I went ahead and took top Viper, Feria and Tianhai just to have all 1's in my profile lol

[hearty rivet]

😅

[amber terrace]

[hearty rivet]

I have no such ambitions, will be happy if I can Matari my way up to the last stage 🫠 (while that she is not an underdog anymore keeps me warm and fuzzy while bosses occasionally wipe the floor with me, like Hulk did with Loki in Avengers)

[fierce light]

My true goal is top 1 Ziping & Matari tho

[hearty rivet]

Dunno how crowded the xbox leaderboard is but it sounds like some competition for last weeks with those heroes 👀

[amber terrace]

[dusky cosmos]

😭

maybe they will decrease the cast time

[dusky cosmos]

copium, but maybe they will give valda a charged attack with more than 4 hits

[fierce light]

Maybe, with the magic weapon system.

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, if her ability was just like a pbaoe wave... like dracro stride 😓 it wouldn't be that bad

but y'all know far better than me.

[fierce light]

Pbaoe?

[hidden creek]

point blank area of effect

[amber terrace]

they should rework Valda Cui

same as Matari

[dusky cosmos]

i like the concept of valda in terms of her specialty being applying soaked/a unique soaked status but the problem is she's not better at applying soaked than a souljade and the unique soaked status in practice is useless

[fierce light]

Animation is too long for how little it does.

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, the skill has a new name which, hopefully, implies it will be different than current. It also does suspiciously little damage. Not sure if i should trust the name "Haze" but maybe its more like a fog cloud

[dusky cosmos]

i added a stat with a shrouded jade and i got scorching, am i supposed to do something differently with this?

[amber terrace]

what is your build to want?

if scorching build so just upgrade it to lvl3

[dusky cosmos]

thunderscorch

i saw someone with 3x scorching on this jade though, am i supposed to flux jade it now and then pray for the 3rd when adding the last stat?

[amber terrace]

but your attribute jade so low or middle value

so i think u should reroll it to max value as 4% atk or 15% HP

just reroll to any max stats then change it to atk or HP

[hidden creek]

hmm
new stage, new story, new mode, new item to farm, craft, upgrade and evolve, ranged weapons system overhaul

ranged builds actually not troll build anymore?

[amber terrace]

ehmm.... no

but not yet

[hidden creek]

wot

[fierce light]

I'd say avoid more than 2 rares on a single jade. I don't think you can get another rare from expanding with Shrouded Jade, if it works like the old system at least.

There is technically a set up where 3 rares on a single jade does pay off for Scorching, but it's such a minor damage increase that it's not worth the extra cost.

[quaint girder]

Some guy just did

[quaint girder]

Here

[spice canyon]

[fierce light]

Yeah i mean get a 2nd rare

[astral widget]

in recast u can use epic and legendary item

whats the diffrence?

[hearty rivet]

You mean the two types of crystals? Nothing, one is a relic from the old recast system and can't be acquired anymore, but now they have the same function.

[astral widget]

yeah yeah '

[astral widget]

okay i understand, THANKS

[astral widget]

why i drop only one epic on 400 fatigue nirray hard XD?

3 times in a row

[hidden creek]

welcome to showdown

[fickle linden]

nirriti feels extra bad after elixir peak runs

[astral widget]

never before that. akways 5-10 drop but now only one 😦

[hidden creek]

well you see it now

[shrewd basin]

At this point just give me blues for deconstruction that shiddy gold n purple

[hidden creek]

[astral widget]

speedrun impossible or stil not>?

[fickle linden]

i just do nirriti for gold keys and crystals at this point

dont even care about shards

[astral widget]

i have 100 gold keys

[hidden creek]

i do nirriti because i'm lazy to run enigma

didn't even hit 1200 fatigue past few weeks

[fickle linden]

topaz or you dont even do peak?

[hidden creek]

yeah

i'm lazy ah lmao

[fickle linden]

damn

well at this point of season its whatever

everyone has atleast one build they wanted, just waiting for new season now

[fierce light]

Really sucks there's no solo option for Enigma Peak.

[fickle linden]

hard to find motivation to farm shards when you dont really need them

[fierce light]

Main reason I run so much Nirriti instead.

[hidden creek]

well i mean solo trio is an option

[fierce light]

18 minute run for 30 fatigue is way too much lol

[fickle linden]

3boss 🧠

[fierce light]

6 minute run for 10 fatigue, same ratio of time, more loading screens lol

[tacit nest]

they could add in future

[fickle linden]

might not be fast but atleast it's possible for me! i can't do full run solo

[fierce light]

I doubt it, if they're keeping the first clear rewards.

Hopefully the Chaos Crystal mission isn't Trios-only.

Well might get quite a bit of people queueing for it, depending on how hard it is.

[tacit nest]

chaos crystal??

[hidden creek]

to craft and enhance the new ''artifact'' item

[tacit nest]

is this an upcoming event?

[fierce light]

Next season

[fierce light]

CN Special Preview

Wait, think we're supposed to be getting the English one today

[tacit nest]

i was gonna say

does this event count towards showdown

idk whats happening lol

what are we getting?

[fickle linden]

new boss, new level, new magic weapon thing, update to ranged weapons

cant remember what else

waiting for english video

[tacit nest]

magic weapon thing??

for showdown?

[fickle linden]

this

[fierce light]

It's not an event, teaser to next season

[tacit nest]

ohhhhh

ok

[timid stirrup]

so i have 2 shards and im not sure where to use it. what r ur thoughts? tundra might to get 2nd or removing scorching on ghastbloom? ilm build btw.

[fickle linden]

i would use it on ghastbloom

[hidden creek]

||why does it matters? you'll get another scorching anyway||

[timid stirrup]

true! but there's always a sliver of hope of not getting a scorch

[hidden creek]

[fickle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-afc-richmond-believe-gif-22969950

[fierce light]

Ghastbloom since you'll lose dps if you get the wrong thing on Tundra

[hearty rivet]

hahaha this was something new. Immovable doom, impassable hammer dude lost his aegis and almost died at one of the mcguffins aaand it became pink and resetted itself 😓

oh it was the sole survivor (and just ran back to his spawn point)

[fierce light]

Nice they gave us a ranged weapon buff with Immovable at least

Cannon is pretty great there.

[tacit nest]

anyone down for peak later?

[fickle linden]

paragon12 opens in 1h 40min?

[woven ingot]

2h40

[fickle linden]

okay sleepy time 💤

[twin ledge]

Huh

Oh wait time change forgot

[fierce light]

Yeah Daylight Savings makes everything in Naraka come out late

[twin ledge]

Must be nice game won’t drop me it

If I knew this would happen I should have kept my others

[polar light]

i had one with scorching and two bad status

now i will sell it XD

[twin ledge]

Farming missing and just had 2 golds drops and both range then game before it was the poison one

[polar light]

i think its not worth grinding for 2 windfalls cuz my sub zero have 2 windfalls

and its hard to get 2 windfalls

and this jade is only slightly better than sub zero

[twin ledge]

I have the flux for it so ima put 2 on

I swear ima about to use elixers for 800 fatigue this dam jade drops

I would farm ruins for it but game don’t like me in ruins

[fierce light]

Yeah at max build, Frostbound Lotus only ~2.5% stronger than Sub-Zero Seal.

[dusky cosmos]

So, is the strat for rolling jades that rolling for a rare and then rolling off a rare automatically gives you a maxed stat taht you can transfer?

and that's better than just upgrading the stat with the upgrade feature?

[fierce light]

It's not automatic. Just gives a random % when you roll off of it.

[dusky cosmos]

ah

[fierce light]

You make your lowest attribute into a rare

so if it rolls bad, you can skip and make it max, instead of spending weeks of materials increasing it.

Yes, but only do that if you're planning on keeping that rare

Since it doesn't matter when you're rolling it away.

[chrome seal]

Btw do u guys think cancelling an unfortunate roll of attribute recasting will later result in higher chance drop for rare than confirming a last bad recast?

Cause am pretty sure I read somewhere inside the game before, that after long recasting and not getting a rare(on a jade without rares), the chance of getting a rare later will increase
It happened to me for example at some point that I did like over 100 recasts and didn't get a rare
But next time I got a rare with just 1recast on the same

I just don't remember if I confirmed that last bad recast or cancelled it before I got the rare with just 1 next recast

[lucid ore]

supposely, I always cancel if I can't get the one I want but I noticed it doesn't seems to change the rate at all. (There was one time I got rare back to back but the wrong stat and cancel both but had to roll like 80 times after that to get another rare)

But yeah, I think the better way is to get the rare, then use the rare to change into a max/near max sub and change that sub to the attribute you want.

[twin ledge]

Oh got in 2 recast and first try with flux

[chrome seal]

Nice

[chrome seal]

Yeah I know about that, was a question from someone else not me, but no worries

[fierce light]

There's a soft pity on getting a rare, don't think confirming or canceling it affects it. Only resets when you get a rare from recasting.

[chrome seal]

Yes just wondering if it's better to confirm or cancel a bad recast in order to increase chances for a rare later on soon

[twin ledge]

I actually did normal recast and not auto recast for this

Because I didn’t want it to skip the stat choice

So I could change that dmg to boss to ice

But in 2 recast was probably because I used like 140 fragments last week trying to get a rare on a random jade but no luck

[chrome seal]

I wonder if that does affect as well
But don't think so tbh
Probably just rng
Cause with autorecasting it can also give you a rare very soon

[chrome seal]

I had the same
Hopefully it'll work for me again too

[twin ledge]

Tbh I think it does with my experience with it

But I don’t like how the auto recast will skip the stat choice

[fierce light]

You just uncheck the guarantee skip

[twin ledge]

Oh really

Wait

Huh where it say that I don’t see it

[chrome seal]

I guess we can just have conspiracies about this
Just look streamers opening 6 standard treasures and then 1 that you want to increase a chance for extreme hahaha
I mean maybe it does indeed work like around that but we can't confirm it anyway

[fierce light]

At the bottom near the button iirc

I'll check after this game

[chrome seal]

When you click autorecast
You can pick the stat you are looking for
Except for rares can only be 1/3 and you can't pick the exact one you want

[twin ledge]

Yea but I really do think it does tho cause not just me that this happens and if it really does they need to put that somewhere so we know it’s like that

But could just be it isn’t and the recast systems is just not built right

[fierce light]

Auto Guarantees at the bottom

[twin ledge]

Yea but I only select rare

I’m talking about canceling it at the gaurenteed stat choice

[fierce light]

Turn Auto Guarantees off, and that will stop it automatically

[twin ledge]

Oh ok

Bruh im not gonna ply this fucking game of ima get all blues in ruins with elixers and still 150%

If I see that again I’m done fcking bull shit it does that

[polar light]

Wow so lucky congrats XD

[tacit nest]

Why you getting frostbound?

Sub zero better no???

Is the ice build changing?

[twin ledge]

No

Sub is only better with mobs

[twin ledge]

Only for mobs

And I still have sub

[fierce light]

Noticed in Enigma, if your Mobber isn't fast enough, your Lotus will expire. Also if they're too fast and go over, they'll expire while you're traveling.

So Frostbound probably the go to for Yama's and Speedrun probably

[twin ledge]

And plus the 2.5% more is pretty huge for trios Yama

[lyric roost]

https://tenor.com/view/this-gif-5505169520112262077

[tacit nest]

So should I get a frostbound?

Replace tundra?

Asking the pros

[twin ledge]

No

[tacit nest]

Replace sub?

[twin ledge]

U don’t have to only 2.5% difference

[tacit nest]

That’s big tho

[twin ledge]

For solo it’s not really

Trios Yama yea

[tacit nest]

I play trios with you guys

A lot

Not that good solo

[twin ledge]

Yea but pc leaderboards are way different

Only reason building it

[tacit nest]

I guess yeah

If I get one should I build it?

What’s it replace on the build?

[twin ledge]

Some reason Xbox In na using poison mainly

Sub

[tacit nest]

Yeah

But ice is showing up way more

Top end

[twin ledge]

I think they seen zero using it and starting building it lol

[tacit nest]

I wanna be there

I wanna be top in leaderboard with dark

Why I’m asking the pros

What’s better

[fierce light]

Frostbound Lotus is an alternative to Sub-Zero Seal. Tundra Might is too important for Ice build.

[tacit nest]

You using frostbound?

[twin ledge]

Sub seems to still be better tho on mobs

[fierce light]

Probably so, Kairos was the only one with a decked out Ice build on the board, but then he stopped playing.

Fire had that Ice-Thunder build, but haven't seen him on the board in a while either.

[twin ledge]

Kairos one of the og players too tho plus he mains viper and ice is more useful

I did not mean to say useless lmao

They did viper dirty this season

Can’t do much with her this season

He still get on?

I rarely see him showing online anymore

[fierce light]

Think he shows offline

Viper just needs her Pheonix Blasts buffed back up now that she doesn't have the strongest Skill anymore.

[tacit nest]

reawakening?

that a good jade for the ice build

[fierce light]

No room for it

[amber terrace]

yo watsup media

[twin ledge]

Spring call is better anyways

[amber terrace]

what build?

[fierce light]

Spring's Call needs Defuse Thaw or Ice Break to work tho

Still, don't think Reawakening would be worth since it would take so long to activate.

[twin ledge]

Reawakening does too

[fierce light]

You can activate Reawakening by reaching max Frostbite

[twin ledge]

It’s not good to use with lotus builds anyways

But was best on thunder

[amber terrace]

oh i think u using for thunder build

[twin ledge]

I don’t use thunder anymore

Cause my thunder burn has 3 of them

My proof pull and and counter on it

[amber terrace]

pro chinese using thunder build now

[twin ledge]

They only using because of ice lotus bug

[amber terrace]

wdym? what bug?

[twin ledge]

If 3 players are close with ice lotus 1 players ghastbloom will delete itself and not go off

[amber terrace]

so just 2 player no bug?

[twin ledge]

Yea

[amber terrace]

[twin ledge]

Idk why they didn’t fix

[amber terrace]

do u has video talk about that bug?

[twin ledge]

Cn does on the stream platform

I don’t speak Chinese so I prob won’t be able to find it again on there

I might have it saved idk

Oh wait I think friend has it

[fierce light]

Thunder hits really hard now too

[twin ledge]

Yea couldn’t find the video

[amber terrace]

[short meadow]

CN times are insane

[amber terrace]

sure

[glacial fable]

Is Paragon 12 here now?

[fickle linden]

yes

[short meadow]

yes

[shrewd basin]

Anyone down for this weeks speed run?

[dusky cosmos]

the translated S16 video says new showdown weapons in April, don't have to wait till June

[drifting lance]

🎉 | WeaselSoup leveled up!

[fickle linden]

i thought roadmap always said it was april

idk where people got the june in here

[fierce light]

June for Justina probably.

[fickle linden]

paragon 15 unlocks april 10th

[dusky cosmos]

it seems like half and half based on the video, they have new content planned for June as well. some new story/boss, the ranged parrying and a new ranged damage system for June

[fickle linden]

they still have plenty of time to postpone everything

[dusky cosmos]

they also implied more than just the 4 people will be able to range parry. Just those 4 are the only ones that get the new weak point system/moves

[hearty rivet]

Curio system sounds interesting but it also sounds bad in the sense of "you'll unlock random hero specific or common curios". I'm sure people who unlock Temulch/Valda or other not played hero specific curios will be super happy.

On the other other hand Ranged Temulch meta? 👀

[hidden creek]

beside getting unwanted rare 5 times in a row now we could get unwanted curio 10 times in a row

lovely

[shrewd basin]

Time to become the Féria sniper main I’ve always wanted to be

[fierce light]

Makes sense. Think they are the only ranged weapons that can headshot anyway.

Lemme check out the video

[hearty rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/kakegurui-gif-25813080

[hidden creek]

well at least it's new contents

[hearty rivet]

I don't dislike the idea of horizontal progression (if this can be called that) and extra build variability with these, just the implications of the RNG. But we'll see how it will be when it launches.

[hidden creek]

yeah

rng is not the issue

bad rng is the issue

[hearty rivet]

Well, yeah, but maybe our view is different on what we call "bad rng", perhaps I'm forever scarred by the 1st version of artifacts in wow legion or the other shenanigans that gambling-addicted group of devs pulled. 😅

[fierce light]

Really hope they're testable in Free Training

[hearty rivet]

yeah, we don't want you to lose too much sanity while figuring out the numbers 😔

[hidden creek]

wdym

doing it keep him alive

[fierce light]

Depending on how bad the RNG is, I wouldn't be able to test it reasonably without it

Wait, they're showing it off in Free Training, so I don't see why it wouldn't be there.

Sounds like it's going to be a lot for them to balance though, between the Souljades, Potentials and Curios.

[dusky cosmos]

FWIW they also said curious reset each season 😢 and they will only become available in the latter half of each season... I hope that changes

[fierce light]

Yeah later half sounds pretty buns

But the RNG should at least be better since it's not permanent like Souljade Attributes.

[woven ingot]

That.
When Dark says "I hope it will be easy to test so I don't have to play too much with numbers", it must be read as "I hope it won't be easily checkable, so I can cross numbers from all around the world for hours to get one result!!"

[hidden creek]

ofc when i recast plm it gives me scorching and when i recast tsorch it gives me mod

💀

[hearty rivet]

this is too familiar 😭

[hidden creek]

💀 got nothing usable last 5 rares i got

3 of them was from crystal

[hearty rivet]

This is how I got a lot of maxed/near-to-maxed tscorch souljades last season, thx to a shitton of moderation/5th scorchings

[fickle linden]

no point farming a good jade

you are gonna be maxing stats with recasts/flux shards anyway

[woven ingot]

Feels like ... déjà-vu!

[woven ingot]

Of course the day you try to do that, the game will give you both wanted rares first try, and you'll be like "Ok ... what now?"

[hidden creek]

😂

or when you're most certain you won't get a new rare

so you roll the high % attribute to get a right attribute while preserve some materials

then a rare pops and u lost the high % attribute 😂

[woven ingot]

The game will always find a way to tell you "in your face! Eat that!"

And it always end in "who looks like an idiot now???". Me, thanks a lot ...

[shrewd basin]

Just play ruins and y’all won’t have this problem XD

[tacit nest]

whats fastest way to upgrade weapon level

is it yamas or nirriti?

[stoic rapids]

Any one want play paragon 12 ?.?

[dusky cosmos]

normal nirritis if all you care about is upgrading weapon level. Yama's doesn't really give upgrades afaik? more of a place to test your skill/build

sorry by weapon level i assume you mean sense level. if you just want to level a specific weapon idk

[fickle linden]

yama's or 3boss topaz

nirriti is slow

[tacit nest]

yeah i seen

only 1000 for weapon

[hidden creek]

gelid yushan norm

took like 10 seconds to kill her

1000 exp for melee and nearly 500 exp for ranged

[tacit nest]

tabbie in for clutch as always

🙏

[fickle linden]

i think every stage in the game gives same amount of weapon xp?

some are just faster to clear

doesn't matter if it's act 1 normal or legendary nirriti?

3boss topaz you gain good amount shards while getting xp

yamas u get nothing else

[tacit nest]

yamas dont take fatigue tho

[fickle linden]

which is minus in my books

faster the fatigue goes, the better

[hidden creek]

you can just turn off fatigue consumption and still getting weapon exp

so yeah gelid yushan norm is always the fastest if you just want weapon xp

[timid stirrup]

i always diid chapter 1.3 w/ fatigue off

i cant remember what the amount u gain is

[woven ingot]

Yama should still win. Because even at 10 sec on any story mode, you got loading screens that takes 1-2 minutes.

Yama only got the 5 sec start timer.

[twin ledge]

1-2 for just loading screen how u loading up that slow?

Oh u talking about fully loading and at boss?

[woven ingot]

Dunno, ask my comp? ^^

Yep, for the full loading.

[twin ledge]

Ah ok

Thought just loading screen was taking that long

[woven ingot]

From selecting your stage, your hero, waiting the 10 sec then loading, (killing the boss) then loading out to lobby and repeat.

[glacial fable]

Frfr

Whats even the fastes way to gez fatique?

[woven ingot]

Nirriti or Peak

Nirriti should be the fastest. Moreover as it's solo.

[amber terrace]

[fickle linden]

peak feels faster

nirriti feels slooow when it's boring

[woven ingot]

Peak is interesting. Nirriti isn't.

[amber terrace]

both boring too

[fierce light]

They added too much clutter to the rings in Nirriti.

Too many runs with mediocre builds

[amber terrace]

[dusky cosmos]

if i'm solo do you still do enigma peak or nirriti? whenever i try the first enigma peak i usually only get to boss ~7. I just keep grinding Nirriti even though it's not as fun imo

like i see people say enigma domain but i assume they are doing the trios one?

[amber terrace]

hmm

[hidden creek]

enigma domain is not worth it

you run peak if you want frags, nirriti if you want crystals

the usual method is first 600 fatigue is for peak with a party of 3, all use gold key
the rest is for nirriti

ofc if your frags to crystals ratio is too bad you could run more peak or more nirriti

depends on what you're lacking

[woven ingot]

By Peak I meant Peak in trio yes. Doing it solo isn't worth it at all.

[fierce light]

It's going to be a bit of a nightmare managing fatigue with the Chaos Crystal grind

[hidden creek]

gonna have to see how hard it is to get a perfect

curio?

whatever it's called

[hearty rivet]

hopefully they won1t overhaul the potentials+souljades much

[fierce light]

I don't see them changing the Souljades much, but Potentials are subject to change

Don't think ima be able to get a Thunder Lotus Scorch build before the new content.

But hopefully before the Seaosn reset

[fickle linden]

did you max ilm already?

and started new build again?

[dusky cosmos]

is it expected that people at 1120 for enigma peak groups? (i'm 1115)

[woven ingot]

If you do good enough, 5 sense aren't going to change much. Would need to check Dark's numbers about sense difference. But I doubt those 5 are going to be meaningful.
Your gameplay will play a way more important part.

[hidden creek]

tbh it's expected for you to be at max sense level in anything outside of nirriti

[fierce light]

No, still missing a Windfall and gotta max stats

[fierce light]

If you're not at max sense, then in peak you'll deal less damage for like the last 3 bosses iirc and take more damage.

[woven ingot]

But yes, even if it won't be any difference in term of performance, you may be frowned upon for not doing the effort to come with a maxed sense.

[fierce light]

Can't do the later floors of Yama's either

[dusky cosmos]

one more week of nirritis it is then

[fickle linden]

i did paragon 10 underleveled because that's when i swapped to ice and didn't have blue jades to max out sense

didn't notice hardly any difference tbh

i mean like few levels underleveled, not like i was 880 sense lvl

[dusky cosmos]

im also running a meme valda cui build so shouldn't make it any worse on everyone else than i have to 😓

[fickle linden]

i think i checked dark's spreadsheet then and it was just few % of dmg difference

valda holds you back more than 5 sense level

[hidden creek]

i mean sense level is the very first thing we rush when new season comes

[dusky cosmos]

the souljades themselves dont reset tho right?

[fierce light]

You get a bonus 15% damage just from being at the sense level

[hidden creek]

consider you're running trio your teammates won't be happy if they saw you not even maxing it yet

[fierce light]

You lose 6.25% damage from being below at the minimum

So 20% difference at least

[woven ingot]

Valda, meme build and not maxed?
Maybe it would be better for everyone that you don't go into random Peaks ^^'

[fickle linden]

didn't know there was 15% boost for just being at the req sense level

[dusky cosmos]

another thing i've been wondering. In Nirriti's what counts as "Elemental Damage", i've assumed it just means elemental burst damage. but does it mean burn/hydroflare damage too?

[hidden creek]

just elemental blast

and lotuses if you got 1st blessing

[woven ingot]

Elemental blast and lotuses if you got them elemental.

[hidden creek]

and divine thunder counter too ig

[fierce light]

Burn and Hydroflare has it's own separate category

[dusky cosmos]

i take it from what Dark has said before the strongest build is the Elemental Build in Nirriti's?

[hidden creek]

burn is

thunder elem with the counter ring is also good

if it shows up take it

this one

is stonk

[woven ingot]

Element 4 for counter and rest in burn/hydroflare.

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

40 ROLLS FROM LAST RARE

I GOT A RARE AGAIN AND IT'S THE SAME USELESS RARE

AGAIN

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

why is it doing this to me

i literally rolled for like 150 times for the 1st mod
then i reroll that mod looking for a max attribute and it gave me mod again in just 40 rolls

[timid stirrup]

no max stat in between? damn

[lusty prism]

What’s the best build for Valda anyone?

[timid stirrup]

no build

jk jk

i'd prolly say ice but shes pretty weak compared to other heroes

[hidden creek]

nope not even 90%

[amber terrace]

ice

[fierce light]

Thunder Lotus Scorch probably.
-# AKA Thunder Scorch v2

[dusky cosmos]

i've tried both ice, generic thunder, and thunder lotus. My favorite to play is thunder lotus. If you scroll up Dark ran a bunch of numbers on this like 2 days ago

i personally find the blossom blast over draco stride to be much more fun, but i don't think it's the strongest

[hidden creek]

the sea solo yama no1 valda running your idea build

it's a 444 build with ice blast dmg focused tho

[dusky cosmos]

ah interesting, i was running an ice build similar to that originally when i was doing ice, what is thunder counter doing for it if it's running ice tho?

[hidden creek]

it's a 444 build

4 scorchs 4 mods 4 windfalls

[dusky cosmos]

ah

[hidden creek]

so there is the idea of triggering hydroflare with valda F

which is the core part of your idea about the build you talked about

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, basically the same as if i cleared paragon 12 myself! 😆

[hidden creek]

so it's still a build that focused on lotus damages

scorching dmg is additional

[hidden creek]

hey the important part is we can confirm that it truly got potential

but 444 build is really hard to make

also the gameplay must be sweaty af

[dusky cosmos]

yeah, no thunderproof. i had messed around with dropping thunderproof in training mode and it wasn't for me

when i was messing with it, i was trying incineration + frostbound lotus in the thunder build tho

[fierce light]

100% rewards?

[polar light]

No way that is 100% rewards

wow

[tacit nest]

yeah

[fierce light]

533 Battle Pass XP, guess it is

[shrewd basin]

Ranged only with Thunder counter Training arc

[fierce light]

Prepping to be able to parry with ranged weapons?

[shrewd basin]

Trying to XD gotta hot swap to melee though XD

[dusky cosmos]

does scorching apply from ranged shots? isn't valda actually going to be really good if she can hit 4x scorching with the musket parry?

[hearty rivet]

iirc scorching is a blast around you so you need to be relatively near the target

[fierce light]

Iirc it says it needs a Melee attack to activate so no. The counterstrike for Musket looked pretty slow as well, so doubt they could do even 2.

[dusky cosmos]

rip the dream

[turbid agate]

never done that much damage lol

[shrewd basin]

Damnage

[fierce light]

10m, nice!

[tacit nest]

i got 10 more games of nirriti then im maxed out

anyone down?

[fierce light]

Dang you zooming

[tacit nest]

i got some anime to watch

gonna finish then upgrade some more ice build

[shrewd basin]

Server?

[tacit nest]

gimme couple mins

trying on some suits

[tacit nest]

you na?

[shrewd basin]

Yes

[tacit nest]

whats u code

[shrewd basin]

12039800030169

[oak pawn]

Wondering, what is the best method to farm jades to deconstruct after youre done with the weekly 600 fatigue of peak?

Is it chapter 4? Or is it nirriti?

[tacit nest]

nirriti

[signal kite]

Obviously what do u expect,, they r literally named Pve

[short meadow]

Brutal server

[fickle linden]

this is not true btw

almost 2.2k ranged exp from enigma peak

everything else i've seen give abot 470 ranged xp (except swarm gets less)

[ancient bronze]

hi is there any tips for levelling up potential fast?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Alarielle leveled up!

[chrome seal]

I made a post in feedback asking to increase fatigue cap. Could you guys support it with thumbs up? Thanks

[plain spire]

i prefer they increase fatigue cost in nirriti and peak 😅

[chrome seal]

That's fair, I'd also like it
But then you cap the fatigue even faster and don't get to touch pve for even longer until weekly reset

They could do both, why not

[fierce light]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1351984541497036931

If they increase the cap, I'd hope they adjust fatigue costs for certain missions as well.

[hearty rivet]

It already feels like a 2nd job if I wanted to exhaust my weekly fatigue 😅

[fierce light]

I guess that's why they're limiting the Curios system to the second half. So people can finish their Souljade builds before having to farm for that.

Likely wants to cut down on the people stocking up hella materials.

[hearty rivet]

I think that will happen naturally as eventually people run out of gold keys (or spend money to buy potions to run out of gold keys slower, which is also good for the company).

[quaint girder]

I have too many lmao

I'm burning through my brown keys and I don't think I'll be able to burn through all of it

In 3 years with my work life balance

[fierce light]

I have like 500 Brown Keys

But the drop rate when using them is about equivalent to Nirriti's Ruins so it's hardly worth in terms of total Recasting materials gained.

Actually it's worse than Nirriti's Ruins Hard per run for both Peak and Topaz. 25% more Souljade Fragments on average though for 600 fatigue.

[fickle linden]

need that brown keys to gold keys converter in the game

brown keys are just waste of reward/inventory slots. ain't nobody got time or enthusiasm to run topaz/peak 400 times for bad rewards anyway

or make a new enigma domain stage that you can only do once per month or something, that has amazing rewards and you need 100 brown keys to open it to make brown keys worth something

[hearty rivet]

100 tae 🙃

[fickle linden]

don't give them any ideas

[fierce light]

Went ahead and started some calcs on every hero with Ice Lotus Mod. Here's some results I got so far:

[astral widget]

hi guys, anything new in our lovely game?

[woven ingot]

No surprise, Tianhai Ult is clearly extremely strong. Sadfully once out of it ...

[fierce light]

Funny enough, it only puts him on par with the base forms of the top tiers at the moment

You could squeeze in a little more damage if you trap the boss against a wall, but not much

[woven ingot]

Which is already good. Plus that's for pure DPS on a dummy. In real condition he will pull way more. Because in Ult he can't be interrupted, doesn't care to defuse/dodge and just throw his damage.

While other heroes won't reach those values in real fight because the boss is not just gonna stay looking at you doing your rotation until they die ^^

[turbid agate]

I've noticed w Temulchs ability. If you use Arcane Thunder, the thunder comes out twice. Once in activating his ability and again once you send the wisps out.

Is it a bug or even remotely good?

[fierce light]

Yeah bosses can throw a Focus Attack to ruin your Yueshan Ult (or run away), and Ziping can easily have her Razor Swift interrupted. Matari is the most resilient in that regard.

[fierce light]

I haven't frame counted his ability yet, but it did catch my eye

Alongside being able to spam it during his Ultimate

[turbid agate]

Yeah I noticed it the other day and it's pretty cool

They need to delete the greatsword from the game tho. Hate that damn weapon.

[fierce light]

On Ice build it's just short of being able to proc Ice Blast, assuming you proc Arcane Thunder twice on the same target and the full skill.

I'll have to test later if Lotus Impact can push it over

[fickle linden]

that yueshan dps

base form same as any top tier character, ult form superman

[fierce light]

Yueshan's Defuse Horizontal actually hits pretty hard

[fickle linden]

is counterattack in yueshan ult form dps gain or lose

[fierce light]

It's a loss, unless you time it right after your skill

[woven ingot]

Lose.

[woven ingot]

That ^

Which pretty much never happens. As the boss would need to be nice and wait for you to have just done your skill to do his blue focus.

[fierce light]

Cause his rotation starts charging right after a skill and procs Ice Blast right when it comes off cooldown

Granted it does help your team by keeping the boss stunned

Against mobs though it's a gain since the animation is much quicker, assuming you proc Ice Blast from it

[fierce light]

I don't think this is a bug, but I just tested it, it's enough to proc Ice Blast on its own. So this might actually be huge, but I have to calculate an entire rotation accounting for that.

[turbid agate]

Cool! Hopefully we get some Temulch changes/loves next season since it seems the new boss and stuff is based on his backstory 🙏🏼

[dusky cosmos]

what is the ice lotus mod?

just a stage modifier that makes ice do more damage?

[fierce light]

Attributes

• x4 Moderation +25%
• x8 Windfall +50%
• x6 Attack +4%
• x6 Ice Blast DMG +30%

[dusky cosmos]

so base damage of ice lotus build for each hero if i'm understanding it correctly?

if i'm reading it correctly that means that the thunder builds you tested were basically all better than the ice build for Valda, good to know!

[fierce light]

Yeah I'm just getting Ice builds out the way since I don't have to change much other than the rotation used.

These are the calculated damages at max attributes, at Sense Level 1120 against a 1120 boss.

What you see in-game will be a bit different ofc since they do some weird rounding and the Sense Suppression formula we have right now is not exact. However, the comparison in damage should still be around the same amount.

[dusky cosmos]

tabbie posted an interesting ice valda build thats probably hard to calc. It was ice build mixed with thunderscorch. 4-4-4 he says and did the drop dracostride meme thing. I'm too poor to switch now, and i doubt good enough to play the build. But the meme has some legs!

not really related to the dps calcs, but i've found playing the thunder valda. It's not as hard to charge the bar in practice cause you get a lot of bar from all the defusing that's happening. So the blossom blast one has been a lot of fun to play

[astral widget]

4:30 nirrit is good time?

[amber terrace]

why do u need care about time on nirriti

[fierce light]

I wish it showed your actual time

But yeah that's about the baseline of a fast run

[fierce light]

Alright, I finished calculating each hero with Ice Lotus Mod, here's the results:

I was suprised Wuchen came out so low, but that's without including his Ultimate. It looks like he benefits more from hugging the boss than attacking from a distance due to how strong Lotus Impacts can get.
I also did some recalculations for Ziping, one including her Attack bonus from her Skill and another from both her Ultimate & Skill.

[twin ledge]

In trios tho it could actually be pretty good since it will stagger boss

[fierce light]

Yup

[twin ledge]

But at same time some bosses u would rather not have him parry like the hammer boss

Well that’s if u have a thunder burn on ur team

And they need to fix the blues and parry’s for trios tbh

I noticed even if yueshan doesn’t try to parry and if someone else does it will knock him back no matter what

[fierce light]

Yeah it's pretty frustrating

[twin ledge]

That’s why I refuse to play him but if I have to I play him but would rather not play him till they fix it

Cause even if u go for parry with him and someone jump parry’s they gonna get that parry almost 90% of time

Then ur sent flying and losing almost ur entire ult

[radiant cedar]

anyone have boss list of Yama? i have pratique some bosses for enigma peak plz ❤️

[fickle linden]

dark does

check the pinned messages

[amber terrace]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1V9X6YCEvf/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=6ed8313b1af64a5bee7cfa3d3451ffc0

wishing they change yueshan form to boss

[fickle linden]

dark hasn't updated it after paragon 10 thought. i cant remember what paragon 11 was, but 12 is stone monster + rock

what was 11

[amber terrace]

P10 is manticore

P11 is 2 electron boss

Aureta?

[fickle linden]

oh right yeah

[radiant cedar]

I see it, ty!

[woven ingot]

Aureate in all his forms yes.

[amber terrace]

P13 maybe is Fire boss

or Bought map

[woven ingot]

Beast/Void for 13. As there is Mound as omen.

[amber terrace]

nope

P11 is Chapter 3

P12 is chaper 2

so maybe P13 is chapter 1

Beast/Void no has mini boss

[woven ingot]

Never saw that with Hellscorch.
Beast 90% chance, Matron possibly. But i definitely don't want Matron with Mound.

[fickle linden]

p15 the new boss that they release early before next season

[amber terrace]

dont look at omens

they change everything

[fickle linden]

i think we get matron and korvine once more before season ends

[amber terrace]

mb they will add P20

[woven ingot]

As multi phase we still got Void/Beast, Korvine, Matron, Bough, Manticore.

And they will add p20+ there is still lots of time before the end of the season.

[amber terrace]

P11-P13 is normal boss

P14-20 maybe is Eerie phase

[fickle linden]

it's 3 weeks until p15 opens up

75 days left season

[woven ingot]

75 days left.

[fickle linden]

p20 eerie matron + eerie korvine

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[amber terrace]

Eerie Bough + Eerie Manticore