👾┃showdown

[zealous patrol]

fr

but para 9 was wayy better at wasting time

[fierce light]

If you hug the boss when it goes metal, the first laser will miss you, so you'll have to just defuse the second then parry.

[hearty rivet]

Para9 was a frustrating boss design for a timed run, 10 is (so far) an interesting challenge to try to do better, when my Matari doesn't get stuck inside the boss model with every attack ^^;

[zealous patrol]

Im a position where there is no way i drop out of top 100 rn but also no way i get into top 10 without grinding better jades

but i play like too many different games

dont wanna grind domains

like this

i aint this guy

or the people in the showdown server im in

[hidden creek]

literally me lol

i enjoy showdown to an extent but not enough to fully commit to it

[zealous patrol]

pretty sure this guy is still rank 1 on viper leader boards rn

first guy u see when u click leader boards

[fierce light]

Yeah takes too long to burn your Fatigue normally

Think they did it that way to encourage you to buy elixirs.

[zealous patrol]

nah

most people i know reaches 2.4k before friday

or on friday

time to play some other stuff

[fierce light]

....

[zealous patrol]

every afternoon and night u just see like 20 of them in a vc all grinding ranked or showdown

[fierce light]

Average Nirriti's Ruins takes 8 minutes when you account for loading screens, shopping, intermission and combat. Same for Enigma Peak with a good team.

2400 / 45 = 53.33
-# ~54 runs to max fatigue.
7.2 hours, a little over 1 hour a day.

Kinda wish they made Nirriti's Ruins 60 fatigue again and make Enigma Peak 45 fatigue instead.

Cause unless you're maxed build, it's in your best interest to max your fatigue before you do any end-game.

[ancient sparrow]

how long does it take to grind gems

im starting from 700

only at 800 now after a day of playing

[hearty rivet]

I'm jealous of loading screens&stuff. The time game tells me at the end is usually about 6-7 minutes but with the everything else it feels like 15ish in total 😅

[woven ingot]

New grumpy vampire cat avatar fits you well.

[hidden creek]

wdym grumpy vampire lmao

she's yawning

[woven ingot]

She s looking like a vampire going for the meal to me.

[fierce light]

Yeah I could see it taking that long too

[fierce light]

This week you can grind it pretty fast in Suffer No Demon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/239102630809436160/bf71a065c6f070a4886f726112486754.webp?size=1024&width=640&height=640

Does look like a vampire

[hidden creek]

😂

she's a cute

[woven ingot]

Cuter that way.

[ancient sparrow]

yeah ive been doing this all day and only got 100 levels so far

they take foreverr

[fierce light]

It's a slow grind, but this is the fastest time

[woven ingot]

The color scheme of the head is surprising.

[woven ingot]

How do you manage to get the whole picture? Oo

[fierce light]

I just right click the avatar and click view avatar.

[woven ingot]

I see. That must only work from pc Discord. From my phone I can’t have any interaction to do that.

[hearty rivet]

Not on my pc discord o.O

oh maybe it's a nitro feature!

[woven ingot]

Ah. That may be it.
Oe Dark got his own unique version of Discord.

[hidden creek]

ye

when she stand in the dark it looks like her left eyes just floating lol

[woven ingot]

Ahah I can imagine.

Having nearly the whole left side of the head in black. Just the mustache part/cheek being white, that’s a funny scheme.

[chrome seal]

All about perspective and angle

[timid stirrup]

that doesnt appear when i right click and i have nitro

DZ has the government version of discord

[fickle linden]

dark is the infamous hacker 4chan 😱

[fierce light]

Lmao

[woven ingot]

Dark is doing something weird for sure!

[woven ingot]

@fierce lightwe got a good one for you: how comes Swarm gets less weapon xp than the other rangeds?
testing in the event normal or challenge, a ranged weapon will get 460 xp. Except Swarm that gets 150 xp. Without using the ranged weapon at all in the tests.

[fierce light]

Probably to compensate being so easily acquirable in comparison to PvP.

I think your prayers have been answered: #1286211700038570015 message

[woven ingot]

But all ranged weapons are equally easily acquirable, as they are all linked to a hero. So Musket, Bow etc. shouldn't get more xp than Swarm gets for the same fight.
If there was a difference in xp gained I'd even do it the other way: have Swarm gets more xp as it's very hard to get in PvP while all other ranged weapons are "common".

[fierce light]

I thought Swarm was a rare weapon in PvP?

Have to get it from the special Morus Chests?

[woven ingot]

Yes, in PvP it's rare. From Morus chest only.
But in PvE that doesn't mean anything, every ranged being tied to a hero.

That's why if there was to be an xp discrepency, I'd have Swarm gain more xp than the others, as it's harder to level it from PvP.

[hidden creek]

might be a bug tho cuz i dont remember swarm earn less xp compare to other ranged weap

[woven ingot]

In game, Swarm gets less xp.

[hidden creek]

try running gelid yushan

[woven ingot]

Going for it right now.

First is you can guess Tianhai last is Wuchen, to check if it wasn't linked to Tianhai somehow.

I can't test other ranged weapons as they are maxed. But I expect them to get 460ish xp.

[fickle linden]

i tried bow and crossbow earlier it's 460 xp for everything except swarm no matter map, lenght of game etc.

[hidden creek]

weird

if it was like that from the beginning how comes i get my swarm to lv 25 first

[fickle linden]

i done did it

[amber terrace]

something update for showdown

[hidden creek]

granted that i play alot of wuchen back then but still

[dusky cosmos]

kowalski, translate!

[drifting lance]

🎉 | WeaselSoup leveled up!
ℹ | Level up messages can be disabled for the guild with owo level disabletext

[woven ingot]

if you played Wuchen a lot that's how. Took 3-4 times longer but you maxed it in the end.

[amber terrace]

hmmm

defuse can block frost

ehm status?

frostbite

[fickle linden]

dark zero posted video of it

[woven ingot]

Waow, denying the freeze with a defuse, that's something new.

[fickle linden]

#1286211700038570015

[amber terrace]

that same with yushan shadow jades

[hidden creek]

why does ice got qol improve out of all builds

they're literally forcing us to play ice

[fierce light]

Not even sure tbh

But not only can you defuse it, but the animation is a lot more obvious.

Actually makes Ice Omens a lot less threatening as well.

[fickle linden]

i wonder if they are gonna add animation for other elements too when this patch goes live

maybe they did ice only for test server

since it's most popular ?

[hidden creek]

nah it's just ice

[woven ingot]

Maybe it's not mainly for Ice builds, but as Dark said for Ice omens. As they decided to put ice omens on absolutely every map.

[hidden creek]

i mean it makes sense since ice is the only element that you couldn't use its penalty to increase your dps

but at the same time it doesn't make sense because ice is the no 1 build atm even with that penalty

[dusky cosmos]

does this make any defuse flame builds more relevant?

[hidden creek]

no? why do you think so?

[fierce light]

No, too niche.

They can't make use of Sub-Zero Seal, so you'd have to rely on Ice Omens to use it.

[dusky cosmos]

i mean basically given an additional souljade to use to increase damage taht wasn't there before

what about the new frost event souljade that increases frostbite?

[hidden creek]

it's not the whole yushan jade
also it has nothing to do with defuse burn builds

[fierce light]

Even worse cause that takes at the very minimum 2 Souljade Slots, for Elemental Lotus and Frostbound Lotus. With the lack of Frost Douse, it will be very difficult to keep that up.

Yushan Jade now just does the Matron Shadow effect.

[hidden creek]

it just allows you to defuse the freeze now which basically means you will never get frozen if you play well

[timid stirrup]

So does that mean that kurumi build is no more?

[fierce light]

No. It'll just be easier to use.

[raw magnet]

Patch note if you guys wanna check.

[amber terrace]

nice

[fierce light]

Just beat Immovable - Hard with Lv. 3 Matari and under Sense. Not sure what was holding people up so much on it

Unless they just made a change to it to be easier to solo

[fickle linden]

did you have blue jades?

i think it's just new players without any knowledge having hard times in it

there is limited amount of berries that enemies drop so new people probably just run outta them

since they facetank every hit

just like me

[woven ingot]

They may have made it easier. But it's mainly that even at lvl 3 you know the fight mechanic. You're not lost running everywhere not knowing what's happening ^^

[fickle linden]

i bet atleast few people just go to ballistas and sit there whole time

are you gonna farm stuff in test server too? 💀

[fierce light]

I used the Armor set it pretty much gives you

With 2 Blue Attack Jades

Don't think ima farm in the test server much, just wanted to see how the progression felt through the chapters.

Armored Artist actually hits decently hard early on.

[fickle linden]

imo they should give all jades to everyone in test servers, and every hero lvl 20

i thought it was for testing

who wants to farm everything again 💀

[fickle linden]

in your hands everything hits decently hard so it's not really fair

[fierce light]

Yeah looking at the collections menu gave me ptsd

It does look like they give you the core for Ice and Thunder from first clears. Just not the Lotus stuff

[hearty rivet]

IIRC back then my lack of knowledge of the game made it super hard as well as it was 1.5 Matari who I tried to do it first. Also had random souljades, was clueless about defuse, probably also tried to shoot the birds. Also back then her dreadful wail got interrupted by any random blue attacks, so aoeing down mobs was also hard. IMHO it was also before I recognized that the blue flash tells me when to parry so wheels could do all sorts of unspeakable things to me. Oh and if I built anything I'm sure it was probably ballistas and the nope swinging thingies. 😅

[fierce light]

Yeah Matari has been buffed rather recently so I don't blame them for doing bad with her. So I guess that would require experimenting with other heroes or already be using one with a good AoE.

[hearty rivet]

Matari was one thing, the big thing was my absolute lack of understanding. IIRC I found your guide and joined the subreddit some time later.
tbh I can't even remember with whom I finished that stage eventually (likely Viper) and if it was normal or hard mode but I remember that that stage was the 1st big struggle for me in game.

[fickle linden]

1800 spent in DnS

[woven ingot]

So still mediocre rewards. Only Dark was luckier this week.

[fierce light]

I guess SnD is a good example that Omen Luck does do anything.

[woven ingot]

I didn't checked closely, but as it's a positive Omen does it give a bonus luck?

[fierce light]

As far as Nirriti's Ruins having better rates though, I have no clue.

[fierce light]

Nope, no luck gained.

[woven ingot]

Sorry just closed the game. I can help tomorrow if you're EU and still need it.

That event was good to get rid of fatigue quickly, but rewards clearly have something wrong.

[twin ledge]

@fierce light didn’t do test server yet but any news for showdown in it?

[fierce light]

You downloaded it?

TL-DR

• New animation for being frozen, can defuse it even without Yushan Shadows Souljade.
• Auto Recasting is being added, system will recast until a chosen attribute appears.
• Recast Value has a new option to do 5 in a row.
  #1343156160122978397 message

[turbid agate]

Are you able to recast into a rare now? I saw that pic in the spoilers chat

[fierce light]

Don't believe this will change the base rules of recasting.

[twin ledge]

Bruh what

Was there a issue with being frozen?

With ziping being added there should be no issues at all

[fierce light]

Guess they felt the omens were a bit too potent.

[twin ledge]

Even before it played right shouldn’t have froze

[turbid agate]

Oh so it's just added there for no reason? Lol

[twin ledge]

Of the omens

But the omens can be avoided

[twin ledge]

And I got key but to lazy to download it

[fierce light]

The one that builds frostbite on you overtime can be mitigated ig

[twin ledge]

So prob won’t

[fierce light]

They should've increased the heal from Poison Heal at least if they're going to buff Ice like this.

[twin ledge]

So is new ice jade better to use than sub for trios not saying solo just trios

[fierce light]

For mobbing, no.

If you can manage to keep it up, then it's marginally better (2.5% more at most).

[twin ledge]

No talking about for stage 10 Yama trios nothing else

[fierce light]

Probably not, unless you're Yueshan.

[twin ledge]

Ok

I won’t build it yet then

[fierce light]

When it's inactive, both Tundra Might and its bonus are down, so you lose a lot.

[twin ledge]

I will keep recasting till windfall appears

Just in case 10 isn’t last and it becomes better to use

Did we find out if 10 is last tho

[fierce light]

Didn't see anything mentioned about adding other stages.

Mostly just adjusting prior ones.

[twin ledge]

I did hear that there is rumors in CN we will get or might get the top 3 badges early

[fierce light]

They'll likely announce that beforehand

cause that would piss some people off if they did that out of nowhere.

[twin ledge]

Well 89 days

[fierce light]

Unless you can get them again at the end of the season.

[twin ledge]

Or 88 so I don’t think they will say it yet but cn does get information for this a lot more early it could possibly be true

Cause I don’t see us having 1 stage for 89 or 88 days

Would be nice if they gave us a new boss with 5 more stages

But u know naraka won’t do that they like to make it boring

[fierce light]

Yeah last season I think we had 3 weeks on the last stage

So will probably have to wait till then to see what they do

[twin ledge]

Yea boring 3 weeks tbh

But mainly cause I wasn’t going for placements tho

[fierce light]

Hopefully can max my Ice build by then

There will probably be some people at the top with Frostbound Lotus or Sub-Zero Seal.

[timid stirrup]

from what ive seen now I've only seen 1 or 2 frostbound lotus compared to all the non frostbound lotus builds

[twin ledge]

Which server tho

[timid stirrup]

NA pc

[twin ledge]

That’s why

[fierce light]

It would be a decent upgrade, if Tundra Might didn't rely on it

[twin ledge]

A lot of players in na like to use what the top times are using

But I don’t think there is a difference at all was able to this with all ice sub not frostbound

Think new ice jade is more of a solo jade i honestly wouldn’t recommend even using it in trios

Cause it will require u to be hitting at all times so if ur not hitting boss and ur lotus goes off its gonna do less dmg

I wish they would stop buffing ice dmg tho

I want thunder to be good again

I’m not taking about the ice thunder one just straight thunder

[fierce light]

Yeah I getcha

Thunder is probably the hardest one to use of the elements, crazy it's the weakest.

[twin ledge]

I still have my double windfall spring call

The only jade I don’t have anymore is ice break and sub

Wait I do have sub my bad

Forgot I gave my ice my sub

[fierce light]

I don't see them buffing Spring Thunder though

[twin ledge]

But got rid of ice break because it had mod and windfall will be easy to make again but might just get rid of spring call too tbh

I don’t see it coming back in play with ice lotus around

[twin ledge]

And tbh the spring call build for thunder is prob strongest

[fierce light]

Thunder Lotus is just better

[twin ledge]

The only issue is takes to long to build the meter

If the meter went up as fast as it does for thunder burn I think spring call would actually be good

Before I stopped using it

It was doing 24k with boss aegis still up and 35k to 40k with boss aegis down

Just takes way to long to get the thunder

But I don’t see them changing it so I think might just get rid of my spring call

[fierce light]

Spring Thunder will make the Thunder Counter itself do more damage, but Thunder Lotus will do more damage per Thunder Counter if that makes any sense. Like nearly triple the damage on Thunder Lotus.

[twin ledge]

I know

But I’m not listening to that lotus sound

That shit is annoying asf for thunder

So I won’t build that and I think spring call thunder is better for immovable speedrun

I think it’s still better to use with 2 ice

Thunder lotus won’t go off fast enough but spring call with wuchen will be able to kill all mobs in front u in like 2 seconds

But will have to wait till we get that speedrun again

They being weird with the speedruns now they not going in the order they use to

[fierce light]

Thunder Lotus would probably build it faster with Thunderous Lotus being a thing now

But yeah if you're trying to hit something extremely long distance I could see Spring Thunder being better.

[twin ledge]

No on immovable u need to kill mobs as fast as possible

[fierce light]

Anything close to you though will get hit by the Ghastblooms.

[twin ledge]

And thunder lotus won’t one tap the mobs all the times

But spring call will

[fierce light]

Hard to say especially after they buffed Lotus damage for it even more

[twin ledge]

Yea if ur not using the Strat for fastest time then lotus will be better for thunder

But the Strat used spring call will def be better

But Strat Im talkihn about requires u and ur team to keep changing spots

But tbh I don’t think thunder will be needed now

Ok that speedrun

I think just being 3 ice lotus builds will be a lot faster than it now

Since characters are able to be used on ice now

Cause at the time only 3 characters was good on that speedrun

Viper, tarka and wuchen but now with a lot of changes many others can be used

[fierce light]

Yeah another benefit is even when you're moving around the Lotuses will go off

[twin ledge]

I would say tarka, maybe ziping over wuchen now only issue is the things that fly but lotus might take care of them if it’s in a good mood

And ur 3 character can pretty much be anyone

[fierce light]

The Bloomblasts hit harder than the Thunderballs

[twin ledge]

I would say yueshan but the mobs don’t do well with yueshan skill

So maybe feria

Her new skill will prob do one of the best on that speedrun

U basically wouldn’t even need to use melee just skill spam now

But maybe yueshan over tarka idk anymore

They keep giving us the same speedruns now

Just hope if they give us immovable back they don’t add the ice thing or the thunder one

If they do that will limit the characters best to use on it

[fierce light]

They have been stingy with mobbing speedruns since they added lotus builds

[twin ledge]

I honestly think the omens are starting to get out of hand

It’s making shit laggy asf

Not even hard anymore

Just straight up annoying asf

We can’t play are best because they got all these omens at once making the fps and lag pretty bad

Current speedrun is perfect they need to keep speedruns that way

[fierce light]

Those desert maps are pretty laggy

[twin ledge]

Another thing they need to do with speedrun is give us a quick restart

They gave us it for Yama so ik they could for speedruns

Idk what’s keeping them from
Doing it

[fierce light]

Yeah definitely

Probably won't load as quick

but still would be nice

[twin ledge]

And 3 omens need to be removed from speedruns and enigma or peaks

Poison, silence and impassible

Whenever any of these omens are in makes the game more rng than anything else and just ruins whatever ur playing

I miss old showdown tbh cause of them

[fierce light]

Poison?

[twin ledge]

The poison things where u hit them

And they release poison

[fierce light]

Cause they give attack?

[twin ledge]

No that’s the red one

The purple one I’m talking about

[fierce light]

Oh the mushrooms?

[twin ledge]

Yea

[fierce light]

Haven't seen those in a while

[twin ledge]

The red one I don’t mind

Since it doesn’t last as long as purple

So by time it’s run out ur ice will heal whatever the red poison took from u

But the purple one can stack which is stupid

[fierce light]

Yeah that purple one hurts

[hearty rivet]

IIRC (at least in Yama) bosses can trigger the shrooms and the hands too and mess with player?

[fierce light]

Yeah

Newer bosses started ignoring the shrooms

[twin ledge]

Mainly new bosses

Huh

[fierce light]

So I think that's why they started taking them off

[twin ledge]

WTH ur getting newer boss to not hit them?

[fierce light]

Are you talking about the poison flowers or shrooms?

[twin ledge]

Cause newer boss are so dam fat now and there hit boxes just push everything

[tropic ore]

!

[fierce light]

Cause iirc it was on Omnious Beast one time

and his attacks were going right through them

[twin ledge]

We don’t like this boss no matter what

Anything goes with him

U parry or defuse boss ur either flying with boss or something else

[fierce light]

Yeah his hitboxes and attacks are all over the place

Don't like the first form either

It's like after Korvine, they made the bosses really tedious.

[twin ledge]

Yea time wasting attacks

That’s why I love og Yama more because it actually felt hard

And we didn’t have to wait out attacks because we can’t do shit

[fierce light]

Time and extreme rng was an issue with that one.

I do miss Void Space though

[twin ledge]

Yea

It was faster

Since we could actually use are jades

[fierce light]

I don't remember my fastest times in that, don't think it was as fast as Nirriti.

But just took less runs to max fatigue

[onyx merlin]

Martial Art Octa-Slash Blade is this soul jade on showdown

[fierce light]

Never heard of it

[twin ledge]

Yea but not every game will be fast

Because game will give shit rings

Void every game u could make whatever I had work in void

[fierce light]

The way the current jades work, you could get 3 and still have a 💩 build tbh

[steep patio]

Which one

[fierce light]

The one with Thunder Root. Each path is for a different element

[spice canyon]

Matari and Ziping always hug the boss so Frostbound is prefered over Sub Zero Seal

[fierce light]

Yeah Ziping should be fine with it since she has high accumulation anyway

[steep patio]

The one that’s all green with little red

[twin ledge]

I know this

I main ziping and there doesn’t seem that much of a difference between sub and frostbound in trios

Maybe in solo but trios don’t see much of difference

[fierce light]

Yes

[spice canyon]

Frostbound is less annoying with Freezes (or even not at all)

[steep patio]

Ok

[steep patio]

That’s terrible

I did no damage with that

[fierce light]

What Souljades are you using?

Thunder Lotus is one of the weaker builds right

[steep patio]

No ice lotus

Ice thunder lutus

Lotus counter

Build

[fierce light]

Oh you use the Ice Lotus path then

https://dark-zer0.github.io/Showdown/build.html?option=1#Ice-Builds

[olive bay]

do you keep all your souljades and sense lvl after each season

[fierce light]

Yes

[olive bay]

👍

[signal kite]

Kerim's cooking hard

[short meadow]

How this ppl getting below 3 Min

[steep patio]

Max stats and perfect rares w no mess ups

[fierce light]

Yeah no deaths and minimum metal forms

[polar light]

Example Xd

[short meadow]

OK > Boss AI hates me , as soon i summon my yushan ult . He use his metal form

[polar light]

i lagged at end idk what happen

[fierce light]

Yeah really frustrating to fight it as Yueshan.

[woven ingot]

I'm pretty sure they coded it that way. If you detect an Ult being used > 80% chance use Iron Skin.

[woven ingot]

Nice one. Even on a good run you still get 3 Iron Skins. Nothing to do I guess, Manti just spam that skill like it was its basic combo -.-

[fierce light]

Iron skin doesn't seem to hurt Thunder Scorch much since it's guaranteed to throw a Focus Attack after

[polar light]

it is an advantage for a thunderscorching build

[polar light]

yeah with tarki ult is easier

[woven ingot]

And the double rotating poison laser variant doesn't take that long. So it doesn't hurt you too much.

[polar light]

yeah

[woven ingot]

A total pain on Yueshan tho, as it will wreck at least half of your ult.

[polar light]

for ICE mod build u want him to not rock at all to get the best timings

i think matari and ziping and yushan is the best for this boss

cuz matari and ziping they can heal while yushan ulti

[fierce light]

I agree

Just gotta finish maxing my Ice Build

[woven ingot]

Those 3 are the easiest thanks to their healing capacities yea.
That's why they have the most downs, at least for EU.

[fierce light]

Also have the highest dps

[short meadow]

[woven ingot]

And that too.
Tessa got a great DPS, but no healing capacity hinder her on that fight, as you have high chances to get incoming damage.

[short meadow]

Wuchan 4min is the top 1 leaderboard on SEA

[woven ingot]

@polar lighthow comes your try isn't registered in the ranking?
You're in trio, but that try was solo.

[polar light]

it was in SEA

though

[woven ingot]

Oh, that explains it ^^

[polar light]

cuz i agreed with my friends to take top 1 on matari only

cuz it is the last paragon

[short meadow]

Wait how you reduce your ping?

[polar light]

and the top 3 achievment

[fierce light]

Matari, Yueshan and Ziping the only ones with ~2000+ Base DPS atm. Tessa is around 990

[polar light]

i have better ping in SEA than EU but i know much friends in EU XD

[short meadow]

Tarka top 1 spotted

[polar light]

hopfully cuz their is a lot of good players with max builds

[short meadow]

Yes Worry*NANNY chambers players are pro

[glacial fable]

How tf can i beat paragon 3 solo ??
Need tips

[fierce light]

Corpse Monster/Stone Monster takes a while to activate. If you damage Omnious Rock enough, it'll despawn.

[short meadow]

So if we focus on rock then stone monster will despawn?

[glacial fable]

So how much damage are we talking about ?
Does he despawn at like half life or something like that

[fierce light]

Yes, but it's quite a dps check as you'll need to push it to the next ultimate attack (where he slams the ground 3 times).

If you can't, then you can use Stone Monster for another Elemental Burst while it's on cooldown on Rock

[short meadow]

I usually group them and spam yushan ult

[astral widget]

i dont have damage for paragon 7 😦

[fierce light]

You got time still

[astral widget]

if i do paragon 7 on trio game unlock paragon 8/

?

[fickle linden]

yes

[astral widget]

someone can help me do it?

[arctic crown]

i can

if you want to add me

but paragon 9 is the worst lol

NA server

you should find my name Eet on the matari list for pc

@astral widget

[astral widget]

im EU

i cant find u

invite me

5194500100166

WOOW

my best drop

[fierce light]

Wtaf

[fickle linden]

almost perfect drop can't ask for much more

[astral widget]

1 shard and near to perfect haha

[glacial fable]

Thats crazy

[tacit nest]

What the fuckkkkk dudeeee

That’s like the best you can get

[astral widget]

i have to bet something today

[arctic crown]

i dont think na and eu can play together :(

[fierce light]

They can, just one going to have to swap servers

[arctic crown]

oh ok cool

[astral widget]

how can i get drop boost?

i mean this elixir

[fierce light]

You buy it with Gold

[astral widget]

its only one way?

[fierce light]

Some events give you them and Heroes Assemble can drop it.

[cobalt torrent]

is there a big difference between Miasma Drive and Lotus Aegis-break?

[thorn narwhal]

so scorching is triggerable during metal form they are giving thunder scorch the upper hand once more

[fierce light]

Lotus Aegis-break multiplies the damage of your Lotus Impacts by 5/3rds while it's active. So for heroes with relatively low DPS and a bad Skill (Valda for example) it can be more effective.

Just going to have to make sure you have Epiphany on your Potential.

[thorn narwhal]

@fierce light i see people changing aroma auro to epiphany, what's your thoughts

[fierce light]

They're about equal in effect, assuming you can keep Untouchable Talent active. However, if you get hit then you'll be doing less. Main benefit is so you can run extra Rage/DMG and Rage/s.

[fierce light]

Yeah clashes still count as a melee hit.

[thorn narwhal]

alright, got it

[fierce light]

I recommend it for heroes like Yueshan, Ziping and Matari in particular who have really strong Ultimates

[thorn narwhal]

wouldn't Yueshan ult for example be dealing more with the 10% attack boost?

you just said focusing on lotus impact is prefered for low dps heroes

[fierce light]

That's for the Souljade slot which would be competing with +25% Attack (Miasma Drive).

• Yeah Yueshan's Ultimate would benefit more from it, but outside of it, not so much. Not that his DPS is terrible, but outside of his Skill, he doesn't have the high sustained damage like Ziping & Matari.
• In Ziping's case, it's cause she has really high Attack from her Skill and Elemental Damage from her Ultimate, which makes Epiphany more valuable.
• Matari, while she doesn't need her Ultimate, certainly benefits from having it active as she'll be able to dish out damage untargeted.

Mainly if you plan on using your Ultimates off-cooldown does it really come to light.

[thorn narwhal]

i see, thanks for explaining each one

[amber terrace]

do u has build for new ice jades?

[fierce light]

They're still the same, you can replace Sub-Zero Seal with Frostbound Lotus if you don't have an already well built one

[tacit nest]

any news on if their adding a new paragon??

[sly kestrel]

anyone can help me with yama's abyss paragon 1

eu server

[sly kestrel]

what about the new soul jade Venomous lotus with matari ?

[fierce light]

Unless you're mobbing with her, she'd want Miasma Drive or Arcane Thunder

[sly kestrel]

mobbing u mean good with her ?

[fierce light]

It works best against multiple targets

[sly kestrel]

ik my hp decreases bec of the souljade but the dmg is insane wit her ulti heals her , so i thought that's the perfect souljade for her

[fierce light]

She has a lot of single-target DPS in her base kit so Miasma Drive works better for single-targets. More enemies = more bloomblasts, so Venomous Lotus gets better.

[sly kestrel]

aha thanks

[sly kestrel]

i can just swap Venomous lotus with Miasma Drive depends on what i play aganist right ?

[fierce light]

Yes

[olive bay]

anyone have some tips for paragon 5

aureate

[fierce light]

Look up whenever he does the clap

Some Skills can prevent the mobs from spreading out when he splits

[tacit nest]

ok dark i see you with that 2:44 on matari

good shi bro

another week or two of some enigma peak and saving i should be able to get other mods and enough windfalls

for ice that is

[olive bay]

i been stuck at 75 mod for so long lol

got scorching like 3 times in a row

[fierce light]

Yeah I'm somewhat keeping up with people at max builds, can't wait to see this build maxed out

2 more windfalls to go, auto recast gonna be nice for grinding Flux Shards.

[tacit nest]

???

auto recast??

[olive bay]

Also do you think yueshan or matari would be better against it?

[fierce light]

Yueshan probably since he can face tank and deal a lot of damage

[olive bay]

okay thanks

👍

sucks that i don't have 100 moderation lol ill probably try again after i get that

[fierce light]

#1343156160122978397 message

Interesting, got a faster time using my Poison build.

[tacit nest]

It is better built🤷‍♂️

Than your ice

[twin ledge]

Ice lotus is bugged

Having more than 2 on team

[tacit nest]

Also dark i saw the auto recast but how is that gonna work??

Like it basically does it by itself?

[tacit nest]

What was the builds when y’all played? 2 ice one poison?

[twin ledge]

But this is basically what the bug does is when 2 ice lotus builds blooms go off

The 3rd persons bloom will just disappear and not do dmg

So having 2 ice builds and either poison or thunder lotus is best as 3rd till ice lotus is fixed

[fierce light]

Instead of having to spam until a rare appears, it'll do it for you

Ice got me spoiled fr

[sly kestrel]

the best attribute with matari is Windfall or Moderation ?

[tacit nest]

Both

[tacit nest]

Wwwwwww bro

[tacit nest]

What were the builds here???

[twin ledge]

2 ice 1 poison

[fierce light]

Moderation. Can't spam skills without it

[drifting nimbus]

which hero works best with ice lotus builds?

[spice canyon]

Basically everyone

[fierce light]

Current best build at the moment. Aside from some solo situations where Thunder Scorch is better.

[astral widget]

who want play paragon 7 or speedrun trio?

[woven ingot]

To be sure: that bug is only when 3 different ghastblooms goes off on the same target?
It's not a problem in Peak for exemple where the mobber has different targets than the two bossers?

[twin ledge]

Think it’s when all 3 are in close range

[astral widget]

who can help do speedrun?

[analog aspen]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1045610531953852446

[past solstice]

did you clipped

[fierce light]

No, but we didn't use any special strats really.
I was on Poison, the other two on Ice.

[fierce light]

Bro solo'd peak with Thunder Lotus
https://youtu.be/INPRCnJ4MGw?si=Kmb-zMpWjdIKgJF2

[quaint girder]

@fierce light , do you think 4 mod/8wf is good for vanilla Thundercounter?

Specifically for Matari?

I'm trying to cook some builds and also predicting which jades will fade in the future.

[fierce light]

Now that I think about it, Thunder has a huge accumulation buff for Martial Skills. So Moderation would be viable for Thunder Matari in particular

Ziping could use it as well

[sly kestrel]

what is the thunder build for matari ?

[fierce light]

Thunder Lotus in the pins

[quaint girder]

Nice, I'll build towards it and see how it works

[fierce light]

They need to hurry and allow sub-stats in Free Training

[glacial fable]

Yo guys is the showdown season ending with the normal battle pass?

Or are they different?

[fierce light]

They're different. Should say the remaining times in both battle passes

[tacit nest]

This Mf also has the poison and ice builds completely maxed

Solod the other peaks too

[hidden creek]

not all of his run are on his account

[amber terrace]

do u have any tip to avoid manticore become stone effect?

[fierce light]

Sadly no. Terrible case of boss rng.

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1345214096089288786

[amber terrace]

[tacit nest]

Pretty sure they are no?

Those are all his builds?

[hidden creek]

builds?

bro look at the account names

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[woven ingot]

Tabbie sees it all!

[hidden creek]

i know him lol

[woven ingot]

Can't escape the meannie eye.

[hidden creek]

he's with people who are also showdown addicts

so he borrows their accounts that got the end game builds and try it out

[woven ingot]

So he got at east two accounts, to get more things to do, and be able to level multiple builds?

Ah, even easier that way.

Tabbie lend me your account!
We need a complete poison set to check how impact full the triple Ice users bug is.
And none of the 3 of us got anything complete beside ice.

I know you got a poison build!

[hidden creek]

i'm a barely halftimer on showdown so don't count me in lol

[fierce light]

Crazy you need multiple accounts to play with another (maxed) build.

[woven ingot]

If you're me, and still can't complete one build after all that time, i can understand.

[fierce light]

Takes a long while just to finish one

[hidden creek]

well 3 imbues = 3 scorch in a row, tell me about it

[fierce light]

Which limits how creative we can afford to be with a build tbh

[woven ingot]

i'm at 3 mod and 1 scorch on the last jade ...

[fierce light]

That plus no Sub-Stat to test in Free Training

[woven ingot]

We can't be creative that's for sure.

[hidden creek]

tbf there's not really that much of creativity to begin with

[fierce light]

Yeah, but could see some people making Cannon builds

or even try out Thunder Lotus/ Poison Lotus

Since a lot over in CN don't even bother with it

[hidden creek]

true

[fierce light]

Then there's also Luck builds

[analog aspen]

This week I only got 355 shards while using all my fatigue already. Am I doing something wrong?

I wonder if I manage to get 2 flux shards from these

[woven ingot]

No nothing wrong, you played the event right?

[analog aspen]

Yeah at least 90%

[woven ingot]

That's it. Event rewards are messed up.

350-400 fragments is what you can hope from a week on the event.

Awesome for time spent to empty your fatigue. Terrible for the rewards.

[fierce light]

It says it has the same rate as Enigma Peak, but think it gives a smaller quantity of Souljades and the Luck from Legendary Rune Keys seems to have a noticeable effect on the quality.

[analog aspen]

Well if you dont get anything for your fatigue it doesn't make that much of a difference if you can spend it fast

[finite gull]

Still missing the not so useless rock and afaik cant get it with Ziping

[fierce light]

Main benefit is you can farm for those specific Souljades efficiently, compared to the Chapter missions.

If you don't need a better one of any of the jades, then you can pretty much skip the event unless you want to burn fatigue quickly to save time.

[fierce light]

Only available for Dagger, Greatsword, Dual Blades and Longsword users.

[quaint girder]

You need to play Viper, Tarka, Temulch, Yoto, or Matari in Niriti

[finite gull]

Ah yes, the oldie but goldie complaining about something not happening raising the odds of it happening

Just got it

I was playing viper for my Nirriti and think i only got the rock once, and traded it away. But shes maxed so I started Ziping to lvl her up

Switched to Tarka Geralt, 1st run game crashed on stage 10, second got the ring lmao

[finite gull]

Still missing Thundercall and Divinity Guard - do i need to run poison builds for that or can it trigger off of hydroflare?

[woven ingot]

Thundercall you need several Awakening iirc.
Poison will make Divinity guard appears way more often.

[hearty rivet]

Huh I haveN't seen divinity guard this season o.o maybe it's a nightscream/legend only ring

[finite gull]

Thundercall is obvious enough and thought as much for Divinity Guard, please dont let it be nightscream only

[woven ingot]

I got it on Hard, but extremely rare. I thought it was because I was playing Thunder as main element.
I could be wrong and it could be linked to the difficulty mode.

[finite gull]

I'll play on hard then next week

[fierce light]

Usually get Divinity Guard when I get a lot of element rings.

[ivory wharf]

does unlocking all the nirriti do anything more than the listed bonuses?

[fierce light]

You get a badge

[cunning jackal]

Every time my ice bar reaches the maximum (that is, when I freeze), it's supposed to trigger an elemental explosion, or how to trigger an elemental explosion?

[timid stirrup]

elemental bursts is based on accumulated elemental dmg on an enemy

most mobs without aegis can have an elemental burst triggered from just 1 charged attack. some aegis mobs will need 2 or more. the use of a skill also accumulates elemental dmg

[cunning jackal]

Oh, so when my frost level reaches the maximum, it only freezes me?

And for example, when a jade mentions that an explosion will do x% damage, is it referring to when the enemy has a certain amount of elemental damage?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | DroidGamer leveled up!

[drifting nimbus]

been farming the event for sense level exp. finally hitting the fatigue cap

after the event ends is farming the story stages the best way to lvl sense lvl before 1000+ for the enigma domains

[plain spire]

When an icon appears on the rightside HP bar of the boss it's either thunder/Poison/Ice it will show when the elemental burst triggers.

[plain spire]

The best way after event is either nitiri hard or Enigma Topaz 3 kill boss or if you can finish topaz within 4m 9 kill boss.

[woven ingot]

What Fisher said, Nirriti in hard (if you manage it, normal else) will be your faster way to upgrade your sense level.

[chrome seal]

Do you mean to say that killing 3bosses in topaz gives the same quality(golden/purple) of jades as like killing 9bosses?

Proportionally per fatigue of course cause it'd be less consumed obviously

[woven ingot]

Killing 3 bosses costs only 10 fatigue. It gives better fragments/fatigue than the full run.

The counter part is that it would takes forever to empty your fatigue that way. And a lot of keys.
So ideally you mix some Nirriti with topaz 3 bosses.

[chrome seal]

Good to know thanks!
I got almost 300keys and finally know what to do about it
For me 9 bosses usually takes 6-9minutes per run depending on map so good to know I can be doing just 3bosses and still get purple/gold jades

[fickle linden]

chance to get

[woven ingot]

3 boss topaz is top fragment per fatigue after Peak gold key.
Another advantage of 3 boss topaz is that you can being any hero to level your weapons if you want to. Frog and Mountain Ghost aren’t too hard to beat with any hero.

[hidden creek]

cost alot of keys and take alot more time to empty your fatigue though

[fierce light]

The bar at the bottom left is the elemental accumulation on yourself. This bar is hidden for enemies.

[fierce light]

Yeah that's the poison build.

Assuming you have at least 75% Moderation, otherwise, Arcane Thunder isn't very effective.

Yeah it's in the pins.

[drowsy gazelle]

guys i need someone to play with

[fickle linden]

might have better luck to find someone in #🐲┃showdown-lfg

[hidden creek]

tscorch v2

[fierce light]

Lol does it even charge up noticeably faster?

Oh wait

I forgot the White Lotus functions differently

[hidden creek]

as for actual dps idk if it could out damaged copperward tscorch

but it's for sure safer

cuz we got armor and no self burn

from first look the thunderbar charge up extremely fast though

[fierce light]

Yeah White Lotus should charge it quite faster

You'll miss out on +36% Burn Damage and +25% Attack though, so it would have to be at least 25% faster to be considered.

[hidden creek]

won't be bother to do the calculation not to mention try to build it lol

i just saw someone using this

and archived good timing

so i just thought that i'll share it here for anyone who interested

[fierce light]

Should be easy to test in free training

Well it would differ per hero though

[hidden creek]

well yeah i mean it's for sure faster but is it at least 25% faster idk lol

won't bother to ''count'' it

[astral widget]

who is the best showdown player?

[woven ingot]

Tabbieeeeee
As you're slacking in lobby again, could you log 2 minutes in EU ? So I could add you in FL and no have to switch to SEA every day to give you your "Hello".

[fierce light]

Like one less charged attack probably

[hidden creek]

wait what i'm not on your fl?

[woven ingot]

You are, but in SEA. FL aren't server cross, because ...

[hidden creek]

[woven ingot]

But I think the daily "hello" does work cross server. If you got the person on your FL.

[hidden creek]

oya

my eu ping is 490 lmao

[woven ingot]

You can't see if the person is online when on different server. But you can see his last connection, and I think you can use the daily "hello".

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lick-conk-conky-kitty-gif-18021368

[woven ingot]

Great ping, I should have taken you to Yama with that. Great fun!

I sent the "hello" thing, let me know when you'll have your reset of greetings if you got it on SEA.

[hidden creek]

if you have been received those from me then it should work

[woven ingot]

I had them, but when loggin in SEA.

As i didn't had you on EU FL.

[hidden creek]

then idk lol

when i saw yours i send one back but if you had to login on sea to received it then

ig that's just how it work

[woven ingot]

I'll know tomorrow, or something like that ^^
Yes as the FL isn't crossserver I had to log onto SEA server to send/receive.

And yes my Tianhai is bald. Lost all his hair doing Yama 10 solo. Me too IRL.

[bold ice]

ziping is yama easy mode

its actually quite crazy

[still mortar]

Same with niritri, Really comfy grind.

[fierce light]

Satisfying when Tianhai gets his ultimate, but feels pretty bad otherwise.

[bold ice]

idk, seemed kinda slow to me and messy due to how spear is

[still mortar]

My point was that it is comfy. With Ziping i just turn my brain off and still clear

[bold ice]

yeah i guess

tho kurumi would be comfier for me

[fierce light]

Got my personal fastest with Ziping so far

[bold ice]

what rings

3 min is kinda nuts

[fierce light]

Thunder

Took him less than 40 days to max out an Ice build from scratch

[hidden creek]

lol

i'm now convinced that CN got better drop rate compare to global

[analog aspen]

I only manage to get 2 flux shards a week

[woven ingot]

Between 2 and 4 according to RNG. Yes.

[analog aspen]

And for the past 5 weeks I kept on getting scorching on the jade that I'm currently working on

Thats 35 days without improving my build

How can he max it in 40 days?

[woven ingot]

Just RNG.

3500 fragments for TenKey to max an Ice build from scratch if I ain't mistaken. And that was with a few bad casts.
Get a player that has ultra luck and get every RAre attribute needed pretty much frist try, and you got those 40 days to max ^^

[fierce light]

Seeing as they also maxed every attribute, they must've either gotten lucky with high attributes or used their bad rares to max them.

For it to be a new account, they couldn't have that many keys, so can't say they farmed Enigma Peak like crazy either.

[woven ingot]

If it was a brand new account, that means the player also had to get lucky drops on the 6 Jades, not to have to rework them too much.

So, more luck needed again.

[fierce light]

The event made getting them easier, but at the cost of less materials.

[hearty rivet]

You get a set of ice jades from battlepass 1st level iirc

[woven ingot]

At least I know why I'm that unlucky. Some people have to repay for that guy luck. That must be me balancing the grand cosmic order here 😂

[hearty rivet]

The universe can't thank you enough for your sacrifice 😔

[fickle linden]

i got alot of scorching as 1st rare and turned those into max stats

all my flux shards into 2nd rare were success in 1st try, that saved me alot of time/resources

aka all of them were windfalls which is kinda crazy luck

[fickle linden]

but your luck has started to turn this week!

[woven ingot]

if only! ^^'

[fickle linden]

jackpot after jackpot after jackpot!

[woven ingot]

At least I'm having better thoughts toward Tianhai. Because I tried Telmuch. I thought Tianhai was bad. I had to redefine what bad meant after playing Telmuch.
In my memories he wasn't too crappy, just a very badly designed skill.
Tianhai is a pretty much guarantee to get to P2 in Yama 10. 1 hour of Telmuch, never saw an only P2. Absolutely no damage, a skill that's more ruining your dps due to the animation sending you in the air, plus Manticore is always jumping or running out of it. His Ultimate does nearly no damage and Manti will also often go out of it.

[fierce light]

First clears give you Sub Zero, Tundra and Successive from what I've seen

[fickle linden]

isn't temulch ult mostly aegis damage

so super nice in paragon10

[fierce light]

His ult yeah, his skill hits about as hard as Viper's, if you can land all the hits

[woven ingot]

I had to double check I didn't put the game in trio mode (as I did 15 minutes earlier with Tianhai) but nope, it's solo. He just does no damage at all. And Tianhai got very forgiving defuses and dodges in term of timing. Telmuch with GS felt extremly unforgiving.

[woven ingot]

Except that Viper doesn't lose 2 sec of damage to kinda "cast it". And that Manticore can't jump out of the skill. While with Telmuch let's say in average a good 33% of your skills will be doing nothing because jumping angain and again ^^'

[fickle linden]

they need to remove aeriel rend jade and give it to gs or something

[fierce light]

Probably best only using his skill to get unstuck and spamming it during his ultimate

[fickle linden]

yoto and temulch are easily the least fun to play in showdown

[hidden creek]

shorten the attack animation by half then we happi

also do something about their aegis break too bcoz it sucks

[woven ingot]

The super whirlwind after a defuse is nice. Except that placing it against Manticore is hardcore. You need to defuse the very last hit of any combo. And then hope Manticore won't do anything during the 3 second of the whirlwind. Spoiler alert: most of the time Manticore doesn't do that.

He got a very good damage Aegis Break at least, but as it has no accumulation in the long run it's not worth it.

[hearty rivet]

It might be the full set then. I meant the showdown battlepass. It gives you a chest at level1 (advanced I think) where you can choose to receive a set of thunder or ice souljades.

OH wait bp doesn't give lotus jades

maybe if there is a newbie event still up-ish? 🤔

[woven ingot]

Clearly I didn't played at best, using 1st charged V, while after looking at Dark spreadsheet it should be 2nd charged V. But I doubt it's going to change much.
Tried to spam the skill on CD, or only using it when I got a downtime. Same result.
Now I know why there are 5 Tianhai ranked for only one Telmuch 😂

[fierce light]

They didn't buy the pass

Yeah the buff to Greatsword didn't really help much. Can only hope that part of next season allows an extra slot for weapon jades

[hearty rivet]

I liked Yoto last season a lot! My teammates not so much bc her defuse counterattack visual covered the boss completely until it got fixed 💀

[woven ingot]

Her defuse counterattack is still quite disturbing, even when "fixed" ^^

[still mortar]

is that with 2 special skip to boss scrolls?

[fierce light]

One iirc, just had Thunder Blessing I on the first stage.

[still mortar]

ahh getting that so early makes sense aswell.

[glacial fable]

Whats the best way to get rare attributes on jades?

Is it useful to have 6 times super luck equiped?

[fierce light]

• Attribute Recast for the first rare.
• • If first rare is bad, keep recasting it till either a max attribute or different rare.
• Flux Shards have to be used for multiple rares on the same jade.

[turbid agate]

wait, u cant get a another rare on the same jade from recasting?

[turbid agate]

this just confused me more lol

[fierce light]

If the resulting Recast would have 2 or more rares, it's not possible.

[turbid agate]

damn good to know, i thought it was possible.

guess i need to wait for next season lol

[fierce light]

You get Flux Shards from deconstructing Jades with a rare attribute.

[turbid agate]

ahh thats right, but my luck is horrible w that lol

[olive bay]

after suffer no demon is enigma domain the best for farming

[fierce light]

Enigma for Fragments, Nirriti's for Crystals.

[olive bay]

ok ty

[zealous patrol]

everyone i know alr finished farming their weekly enigma peak before i even start

so i never can find people to farm enigma peak

[sly kestrel]

i did that one , good stats ?

[timid stirrup]

not bad. u want max PB dmg as quickly as possible

[sly kestrel]

0% for 200 shards

i went for other stats haha

[timid stirrup]

technically u could've changed dmg to boss and pb together

but i wouldve thought u would get lucky and value recast max it

[brave pagoda]

new to showdwn running plat set on zip what attributes am i aiming for on jades?

[timid stirrup]

plat set?

poison lotus?

[ancient bronze]

hi any recommendation for beginner ziping build? potential + jades

[plain spire]

check pinned messages, Ice lotus build is the current recommended build. If you don't have those build just use default recommended jade the first one until you get the current meta Ice lotus jade.

[fierce light]

It'll tell you the Attributes that are used on a jade on the right on the Attribute Recast menu.

[fierce light]

Someone using your build

Damn it charges up fast.

[hidden creek]

so it's better than copperward tscorch?

[fierce light]

Probably for bosses that don't throw many blue attacks

[limpid pecan]

why that build has 1 point on thunder 5 ice?

these lotuses from jade we just need for thunder buildup no?

[woven ingot]

Tabbie gonna be happy.

[hidden creek]

no lol i just didn't imbue the thunder jade to ice, i just put those jades tgt to show the jade setup not actually building it

it's supposed to be 6 ice

😂

[limpid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/quelbail-mermaider-the_mermaider-themermaider-murmure-dur-gif-25399484

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-gif-20096802

[hidden creek]

i mean i know that it's not bad, just don't know if it's actually worth it to give up on some of old tscorch jades for it

like yknow, materials and stuffs

[fierce light]

I could see it being viable for heroes who can't build it up fast naturally.

[hidden creek]

yeah those w/o good F

[limpid pecan]

maybe good on feria

hm

[hidden creek]

or gs user

[woven ingot]

Doing a cat gif fight with Tabbie. That’s interesting.

[hidden creek]

actually gs users are also bad F heroes lmao

[limpid pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/minus-decedance-moment-minus-decendance-penguin-dog-penguin-penguins-gif-25686222

[woven ingot]

I m not done with the mental damage Telmuch did to me yesterday. Please don’t bring back his name when i m around.

[fierce light]

Every 2.5s it does a charged attack's worth of damage/charge.

So close to double the charge for some heroes. Could see it as a last option for those who are out the current meta.

[woven ingot]

Would be nice if doing a build was quick. Sadfully with the current rng system, i don’t see myself doing a build just for worst heroes being a bit less terribles :/

[fierce light]

Yeah that's fair

Auto Recast is nice QoL, but also need more materials, particularly fragments.

Crystals already at a good rate.

[woven ingot]

That’s another reason for controlling the rng on build creation. We could do those kind of builds benefitting some specific heroes and play them a bit more.

[fickle linden]

remove keys from game so we can spend all fatigue in peak

[fierce light]

Hopefully the addition of the new progression next season will come with an increase in materials.

Wish Peak consumed 60 fatigue

[fickle linden]

nothing worse than getting brown key as reward

just ugh why

[woven ingot]

More Peak could help. Moreover at an increased fatigue cost.

[fickle linden]

or at the very least let us convert brown keys into gold keys

or shards or whatever

[woven ingot]

Or simply put a pity on rares. After 3 refused rares you choose the 4th one. Still rng, but controled.

[hearty rivet]

or if they don't want that add a way to convert purple keys to gold ones 👀

(preferably a not RNG way 😅 )

[chrome seal]

Isn't the new pity system from Daryl's screenshot suggests you can actually pick the new rare tho?

[woven ingot]

I saw the auto roll system, which is already a great progress, allowing you to roll until you get a rare or a specified attribute. But didn’t saw a pity system on rare attributes.

[fierce light]

There technically is a soft pity system for rare attributes

But that's just for getting a rare, the 33/33/33 still applies.

[glacial fable]

Can someone help me with paragon 4 or give me any tips pls

[astral widget]

@glacial fable ready?

[glacial fable]

Ye u need to tell me ur id

@astral widget

[late raptor]

do u know the jades dard?

[fierce light]

It's in the message I replied to lol

[brave pagoda]

ty!

[timid stirrup]

farming flux shards sux so bad. 120 recasts and only 1 shard so far

[fierce light]

Yeah 100 per Shard seems to be the average.

[timid stirrup]

funny thing was that 1st recast was scorching

330 recasts later only got 3 shards

still missing my 4th moderation

debating on deconstructing a thunderpull that has scorching and wf on it

[hearty rivet]

Don't, you get scorching instead a moderation and will be super sad

[timid stirrup]

idk if i'll ever build tscorch tho

im currently 1 mod away from ilm

[hearty rivet]

it still sounds risky, what if you want to play tscorch2.0 later?

[timid stirrup]

thats what im worried about

[hearty rivet]

and 3 modi isn't absolutely horrible against bosses imho till you get your 4th

wow, catchup points are being kind this week, (it's a windfall)

[timid stirrup]

my catch up pts didnt give me a rare and i had 30 jades

but congrats

[hidden creek]

bro for the whole time playing showdown i only got 1 rare drop so far

and i've played for like

3 seasons already

[fierce light]

Haven't gotten a rare from catch up before

Kinda crazy how rare they are to drop.

Even from conversions, super rare

[hidden creek]

i mean the chance is just the same

[hearty rivet]

Yeah, I'm sure it's just an elaborate ploy from the game to lure me into spending my fatigue all the time not just on SnD weeks.

[hidden creek]

for every soul jade you accquired

there's a chance that it got a rare stat

drop, conversion, sj gift, catch up, even the 1st time stage clear reward

[zealous patrol]

Rares are way more rare than that

Like one every few hundred

[sly kestrel]

How can I get flux shards

[zealous patrol]

just sacrifice jades with rares on them

1 rare stat = 1 flux shard

[sly kestrel]

Thx

[zealous patrol]

u usually do it if its a wild rare on a random jade, when u get scorching on a none vape set

or if u get better jade

u can recycle rares

[sly kestrel]

Aha thx for the info

[zealous patrol]

two of my scorching is on incineration and the other two is on draco stride ;-;

i dont have enough stuff to get 2 good new jades

[hidden creek]

[fierce light]

Interesting. Thunder Counter going to hit 6.3% harder.
Thunder builds just got a lot safer to use.

I'd say Thunderproof is core now if it wasn't already.

I wish they would've told us this, I could've tested it during the test server.

[hidden creek]

we got a sj called poison root?

isn't it a potential

[fierce light]

Yeah must be a typo

[plain spire]

Thunderproof sj will be gone?

[fierce light]

No

Thunderproof is even more important now, the only downside for Divine Thunder will be the stun which it gets rid of.

[hidden creek]

hmm

if they increase the dmg of poison blossom blast

[fierce light]

Going to have to see how much

[hidden creek]

yeah

[fierce light]

But it's likely enough to make Venomous Lotus better than Miasma Drive.

[hidden creek]

if it's big then prolly the x3 jade is a must build now

[amber terrace]

slightly increase so what % they increase?

[fierce light]

Oh wait it's still up

Actually nevermind I can't test it cause Potential isn't high enough level

[hidden creek]

look me in the eyes
tell me why

[amber terrace]

haha, i got same that in paragon

paragon 10 got that too

[fierce light]

So it would need to be at least a 9.64% increase for Venomous Lotus to be better than Miasma Drive in every case.

Hopefully more

[hidden creek]

they said ''slightly increase''

so

[fierce light]

The music change certainly gives a different vibe

Ah the Thunder changes aren't even in the test server

So the Poison one's probably aren't either

Not going to bother leveling the potential then

[hidden creek]

i play with all music off so i was confused when you said this

[fierce light]

Yeah same, just had it on for the test server.

[amber terrace]

so 0.0001% =))

[hidden creek]

bet

[fierce light]

Well Thunder got a slight increase last patch and it was 7%

So it's still possible

Wait, it'll increase the damage with Miasma Drive as well

I'll just have to do the math when it's out, getting confused calculating this.

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-emoji-what-say-what-wait-what-gif-4624697785713851431

[dusk plover]

Wait did I see that right? With thunderproof you won’t take any damage from divine thunder anymore?

[timid igloo]

just straight up divine thunder won't deal damage to the user

[fierce light]

Thunderproof removes the stagger

[dusk plover]

So just having Thunder counter on you won’t take anymore divine thunder damage or is it some weird wording with them saying you won’t take damage if you parry

[fierce light]

Divine Thunder will no longer deal damage

Its only downside will be the stagger

[dusk plover]

Fuck me….. right after I changed my 8th windfall to a counter recovery 🤮🥲

[timid igloo]

struggled with P9 for weeks and just as I got past it, I managed to first try P10 granted my time is nowhere near competitive for ranking, but I'm still proud to have finally done it

[fierce light]

If you're running Incineration, you'll still want Counter Recovery

[astral widget]

when is reset fatigue?

[fierce light]

Just will be much easier to go net positive from it.

[dusk plover]

3 hours

[astral widget]

oh no

[dusk plover]

Well I guess that’s true

Had to change it because manticore wouldn’t give enough time to heal berry after the third divine thunder proc without the counter recovery. Either died or wasted too much time

[hidden creek]

i'm convinced that snd rewards are actually catchup points

💀

[fickle linden]

yeah it was bad this time

[fickle linden]

yeah it's funny, p10 was easiest of all paragon levels imo

[timid igloo]

Thought I'd struggle the most with it because I have zero practice against manticore and it's confusing arena wide aoe's, but monk's constant movement out of hit range kept running down the clock wayyy more

The only thing left to do is to get double rares on everything and that sounds like a pain

4 more windfalls

[fierce light]

You using Merciless Havoc on Tianhai?

[quaint girder]

In addition, you want the decreased max so you can proc DT more often.

I wish that they'd optimize and combine TP and TC into one SJ so Thunder has more build space

However, ThunderScorch builds will become grossly overpowered if they did that since you can shove another DPS jade in there.

Wish there was a way to buff vanilla DT without making Thunderscorch strong

[fierce light]

There's not really anything else aside from Wielding Jade you could slot on to Thunder with an extra slot

[quaint girder]

But I want this Zero

[fierce light]

Thunder Scorch has 2 optional slots as well

[quaint girder]

You know me, I'm a sucker for alternate animations

[fierce light]

Ah okay

[quaint girder]

If they consolidated, I can add Thunderous Lotus and my Assassin's Lunge*

then I can actually have a viable Vanilla DT Matari

with 4Mod/8WF

[fierce light]

Abyssal Aura isn't alternate anymore tho

[quaint girder]

sorry

I meant Assassin's Lunge

But even then Abyssal Aura gets a bigger multiplier plus you can endlessly boomerang it xD

[fierce light]

4 Mod would defeat the point of having a Wielding Jade as well since you can stay under her Flash buff.

[quaint girder]

But Zero, you know... style points

[quaint girder]

I could alternatively run like 3/2 mod instead and increase WF

Matari is fun again, there are so many builds for her now

[fierce light]

Pretty much would want 12 WF to maximize on the Thunder DMG

Since her Skill is rather lackluster if you're not using her enhanced Aegis-Breaks.

[tepid hare]

Where do i consume fatigue specifically if i may ask?

Which mode?

[fierce light]

Any mission consumes fatigue if you have it enabled.

Nirriti's Ruins is best for Carved Crystals.
Enigma Peak is best for Souljade Fragments.
Enigma Topaz is best for time (if well-built).

[lucid ore]

What's poison root? Cn translation gone wrong?

[fierce light]

The node that makes your Lotuses Poison.

[lucid ore]

[quaint girder]

Wait can you do Tusk from her F?

I know she goes into Dancing Leaves immediately from F, but I didn't know the Tusk was enhanced after her F

[fierce light]

You can tap Vertical to Defuse right after, but it places you in Dancing Leaves by default.

Aegis-Break Rage makes Dancing Leaves hit harder than Soulbreak Tusk though.

[dusky cosmos]

just kinda confirming but the thunderpull builds don't really do much damage without a bunch of scorching mods right?

[hidden creek]

with recent changes thunder lotus actually does decent damage

as for comparing setup with and without rares obviously rare attributes increase your damage by alot

[dusky cosmos]

i see, i've been working on a build that i know is not optimal, and is a bit of a meme. But with the constraints that i'm going to be using Valda Cui, and that i want a build that actually takes advantage of her abilities unique property of not losing [Soaked] on a hydroflare proc. Do you have any thoughts on the thunderpull vs ice build? I current use Erudition + Cloudscorch to proc ~6 hydroflares per ability. and then currently fill in the other 4 jades with an ice buld (Successive Ice Blast, Elemental Lotus, Blossom Blast, <ice blast cd one>).

I'm relatively early in the build craft though and not sure if i should pivot to lightning as the tree makes it so divine thunder procs burning which could be interesting as well

[fierce light]

Damage isn't really the issue it's more of the rate. The current fastest CN time for Paragon 10 uses a Thunder Lotus Ziping.

Scorching is only your priority for it if you're running Thunder Scorch (which uses Draco Stride) and you have the respective potential.

[dusky cosmos]

the rate being the spin rate of the lotuses?

[fierce light]

How long it takes to activate Divine Thunder

[dusky cosmos]

ah

does divine thunder itself do good damage? i have a hard time finding actual videos of this stuff but usually when i see it the divine thunder does very little and its just the scorching hit that chunks people

[hidden creek]

if you get divine thunder dmg on your soul jades and imbue them with thunder then it does good dmg

[dusky cosmos]

thanks, another question i've been wondering. what are the mechanics of burn damage. Is it a fixed amount or is it based on the size of the hit that causes the burn? I assume the latter?

[hidden creek]

go ahead Dark

you're better than me at explaining these stuffs

[woven ingot]

Tabbie casts Misdirection on Dark.

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-witch-doctor-mano-tiki-tia-gif-15319797

[fierce light]

• Scorching Lv. 12 has a base dmg multiplier of 54.0.

• Thunder Counter will have a base dmg multiplier of 14.0 (3.5 per Orb).

• • Thunder Blossom Blast: 5.6
• • Thunder Lotus Impact: 1.26

• Divine Thunder: 4.06

[fierce light]

The reason Thunder Counter does less is because it scales with your Wielding value. 0 Thunder-Wielding makes it deal 1/7th of the damage it would normally do.

[fierce light]

Burn Damage is static. Only thing that would affect it mid-match is your current Attack, whether from buffs or debuffs.

[dusky cosmos]

so every hit burns for the same amount unless otherwise specified?

[fierce light]

Yes.

Granted when you activate HydroFlare there is some rounding. So depending on when you Soak the enemy, you may get different numbers.

[hidden creek]

anyway here's how it works:

• if you equips thunderpull and thunder counter, your attack will builds up your thundershock bar, when it's full divine thunder will strike you (thunderpull jade effect) and you can counter it (thunder counter jade effect) to redirect its dmg to your target
• classic thunderpull/counter build make use of this and 1: imbue your souljades with thunder and 2: take divine thunder dmg stat to increase this redirect divine thunder dmg
• scorching based builds on the other hand doesn't rely on divine thunder dmg, only rely on the number of parries to trigger scorching so they imbue the jades with ice (builds up thundershock bar faster = more parries = more scorching = more burn dmg) and take HP stats (increase burn dmg)

[dusky cosmos]

ah, so the videos i watch are people that have 0 thunder wielding which is why divine thunder does so little

[fierce light]

That and they have no Divine Thunder DMG attributes.

[hidden creek]

yeah, if it was a divine thunder dmg focused build, divine thunder damages is their main damage source

https://youtu.be/INPRCnJ4MGw

thunder lotus build (divine thunder dmg focused) in action

[dusky cosmos]

is this the build you posted earlier tabbie? sorry i dont know the icons yet and cant read that language

nm they change to english later

[hidden creek]

it's not

the build i posted is still a burn build

the one on this video is pure thunder build

[hidden creek]

also i think Dark misunderstand this question

[fierce light]

If it has Draco Stride, it's a Burn/HydroFlare build

[hidden creek]

Weasel was asking if the burn dmg from diff sources dealing diff amount of total damage

and the answer is yes

[fierce light]

Different burns deal different damage.

Same burns from different hits deal the same damage.

The hit itself has no effect on the burn's damage.

[dusky cosmos]

yes, sorry the more precise question is, is the size of the burn from a charged attack the same as the size of a burn from a divine thunder hit

[hidden creek]

depends on the burn source

[dusky cosmos]

ok cool, so the answer is they do, presumably. So in theory if i triggered burns from counter divine thunder/proccing it, it would do more damage than my Erudition

[hidden creek]

hmm no

also you could trigger burn from hitting divine thunder?

i don't think you can

[dusky cosmos]

i may be misinterpreting this

[hidden creek]

oh this node yeah

[fierce light]

The name of the burn determines the damage it'll do.

• x2.5 Cloudscorch = x1 Lv. 1 Scorching in damage dealt.

[hidden creek]

anyway, diff burns does diff total damages
you could burn your enemies with many things, but the burn they caused are not equal

[hidden creek]

like the burn from this is a weak burn

compare to the burn from defuse-flaming blade or from scorching

[dusky cosmos]

but both burns are multipliers on the size of the original hit right?

so like 1000 * 2.5 = 2500, but 5000 * 1 would still be a bigger burn presumably?

[hidden creek]

i don't think the ''original hit'' damage has anything to do with the burn damage it caused

it's just the way to trigger the burn effect

[dusky cosmos]

ah, right. and burn is a multiplier on my Attack

[hidden creek]

and HP if you take the blazing flame potential

[fierce light]

Flame-Thunder Chant deals 100% of your Attack every second for 5 seconds.

Cloudscorch deals 15% of your Attack every second for 12 seconds.

Scorching Lv. 1 deals 25% of your Attack every second for 18 seconds.

Different burns will show up as different icons on the enemies health bar

Similar to how the cooldown of element shows or when their Aegis is broken.

[thorn narwhal]

they are not gonna rework yushan shadow after taking the defuse out of it, what a bummer

[fierce light]

They did

[thorn narwhal]

guess depth blast can be used in meta now without the need of yushan combined with it