👾┃showdown

[fierce light]

Sub-Zero Seal | Frostbound Lotus share a core spot in the Ice build. Tundra Might won't work without them.
-# Depths Blast can activate Tundra Might, however, it'll only be shortly after an Ice Blast which defeats the point.

Yushan Shadows | Cinderfrost provide crutches for the build, but they have their opportunity cost of doing less DPS.

[woven ingot]

365 fragments done over the week.
Usual number is 550-700.
Knowing I did a few Peak at 150% and did nearly only Nirriti and Topaz at 75%.
So the event rewards are very very bad. Unless I was especially unlucky the whole week.

[fierce light]

I think it's cause the event gives no Omen Luck

Don't know why Nirriti's Ruins drop average is better though

[woven ingot]

Event is really good to get rid of fatigue, and if you need the Jades for Ice build. But for rewards it's clearly under performing.
Checking my frienlist most people are playing in Nirriti right now, and I doubt it's because they love that place that much ^^

[hearty rivet]

45 vs 30 fatigue maybe?

[plain spire]

In my main account i use the 150% 600 fatigue on peak and the rest on event for catch up point. The drop on 150% in SFD is so bad the devs probably drunk when they set the drop rate on SFD. 😅 Good thing in SEA it's not hard to solo queue in peak.

[fierce light]

Shouldn't be that extreme of a difference though.

[hearty rivet]

oh wait you're right the drop rate is the same only 2/3 souljades

[tacit nest]

could i borrow 2 na for yamas 9, i just need clear

my skill aint there lmfao

[hearty rivet]

samesies in EU 😔 🤣

[fierce light]

Yeah I can

[woven ingot]

I can if EU if needed. Not sure Dark's ping in EU is viable tho.

[tacit nest]

dark saves the day again

🙏 😔

your a g

[hearty rivet]

Is it completely random when Bough jumps up in the air to shoot hands or do his seemingly random number of vertical spins or if he alternates between these two or I'm doing something horribly wrong? O_o;

[woven ingot]

He can mix his different combos (ground or aerial) a bit like he sees fit. When in the air he got two main combos.

• First is the throwing hands. Two firsts should always be hands. Third attack can be hands, a spin or nothing.
• Second is the spins. First will be a spin. He can stop at that one. He can do a second spin. He can stop here. If third it can be the third spin variation or if you're just under him a rare attack hitting the ground vertically with his feet (very very fast pretty much impossible to defuse unless you're super trained at it).

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Migosha leveled up!

[woven ingot]

There may be other variations I forgot, or simply didn't experienced. Doesn't seem to be triggered by anything (except the vertical feet attack that only happens if you're directly under him). He just does what he wants when he wants.

[hearty rivet]

Thankyou!

[buoyant notch]

Yall so

Whats the current ranking of heroes in showdown

Is zipping the new best?

[olive bay]

i think depends on the build

matari and yueshan probably still the best for ice lotus

but ziping is great

[spice canyon]

Matari and Yueshan is still the best
Personally I would rank Ziping performance the same as Tessa / Feria (in terms of damage)

[fierce light]

Hero Tier List

-# Without Curios

T0

Yueshan
Matari
Ziping Ying

T0.5

Tessa
Tarka

T1

Feria Shen
Viper Ning

T2

Kurumi
Wuchen

T3

Temulch
Tianhai
Yoto Hime

T4

Valda Cui

[buoyant notch]

WAIT

WAIT

MATARI IS BACK?!

WE ARE SO BACK BOIS

IM A SHOWDOWN MAIN NOW

Is the matari current best matari build in the guide?

[olive bay]

Man I wish valda was better 😔

[buoyant notch]

She will get her time to shine don’t worry

[olive bay]

I hope

[buoyant notch]

Matari used to be the worst of all now she is in top 2

[olive bay]

At least give her the spear charge thing that ziping has

[olive bay]

Rly

[buoyant notch]

YESS

[olive bay]

that’s cool

[buoyant notch]

so there is definitely hope

[olive bay]

👍

[buoyant notch]

May I ask what changed in the last update to put matari from zero to hero

[fierce light]

Her Skill was reworked. Makes her Aegis-Break hit hard especially with Aegis-Break Rage. It also does damage now and makes you fly immediately after.

They also added Netherstep to her base kit and buffed Dreadful Wail so it's no longer a meme to use.

[buoyant notch]

NO WAYYY

NETHERSTEP IS A NATURAL IN HER KIT

https://tenor.com/view/desmaio-desmaiando-desmaiar-desmaiei-faint-gif-17724542

Wait so any build still works with her

Just toss in rage

Thank you for all the info

[fierce light]

No, you mainly want Moderation. Ice works best since you can stay permanently buffed with Frozen Blast

[buoyant notch]

Time to farm ice then.

Thanks a ton

[grim girder]

Got a Frostbound Lotus with Windfall just from random drops from Suffer no Demon. I swear this game mode is the only one I've ever gotten a rare attribute on a random drop.

[astral widget]

this new event is so bad

on last one drop was better 100x

[astral widget]

who want play speedrun? EU SERVER

[river stratus]

+1

[radiant cedar]

Hey! Question: theres a list what Soul jades I might want keep (can be the meta or is the current meta)? Cuz i need short it out some jades, and I might be keeping ones I could desconstruct

[hidden creek]

all jades on the pinned guide

aside from that try to keep at least 1 of each jade

you'll never know if one day it became the core jade for a meta build

[radiant cedar]

Oh, that include range jades?

I been desconstruct them 🥲

[hidden creek]

well maybe not ranged jades

maybe keep cannon jades

[radiant cedar]

🥹 ok, so I been doing right thing

[hidden creek]

but other weapons ehhhh

[radiant cedar]

🤔 what hero goes well with cannon?

[chrome seal]

I destroy all the range, repair kit, heals and luck souljades as soon as I get those

[hidden creek]

well in showdown characters are weapon locked

[chrome seal]

Most weapon specific jades suck too

[radiant cedar]

Oh yeah, I been desconstruct them the luck ones

Ok, ty cute cat and cute dodo or.. duck

[quaint girder]

Makes me sad, some of the animations are so cool

[chrome seal]

Sap also kinda useless cause you can just get counter heals stat on a jadę instead of taking up a whole 1jade space

[chrome seal]

Animations yeah but no impact

[radiant cedar]

I havent tried them yet

[hidden creek]

they used to be useful, actually a must build before

cuz they gives high element accumulation

but in current meta you don't need them

[chrome seal]

Got it

[radiant cedar]

I could save 1 with decent %, just In case They reemerge, right ? ☺️

[hidden creek]

yeah

actually even on current meta some characters still make use of those element wielding jades

but those characters aren't meta so no one really cares cuz no one play them lol

[radiant cedar]

Nyan

[hidden creek]

back when classic thundercounter was the meta build

element wielding jades was a must

now they ded

[woven ingot]

You got 600 rooms for Jades, so keeping one of each isn't really a problem. Unless you're desperate for Fragments right now.

[hidden creek]

i had a hard time switching from velocity untold to vertical charge on feria lol

the jade animation was so nice

[fierce light]

Yeah current builds are doing a lot more damage than you'd gain from using an Element-Wielding Jade. Aside from Aerial Rend on Greatsword users.

Maybe the new equipment they have planned next season will supplement that.

[timid stirrup]

what if they raised hero lvl to 25/30 and gave legendary weapons

[fierce light]

That would just make us stronger overall as it would raise our Base Attack.

[timid stirrup]

ok then no lvl increase just legendary weapons

[fierce light]

The rarity of the weapon affects our base attack.

Rare = +120
Epic = +140
Legendary = +160

The rest comes from our Sense Level (Sense Level / 10).

The Hero Level increase would just give us other buffs

[quaint girder]

I hope they bake in all the alternate elements wielding jades, buff accumulation on all of them, then make each one cancellable

(I'm looking at you Erudition, Abyssal, and Benthic)

[fierce light]

I don't see Benthic ever being good cause half of it misses bosses and can only be used after one of the longest charged attacks. Abyssal has a hitbox issue and Erudition has poor tracking.

Making them cancellable would fix the clunkiness though

[hearty rivet]

Is it normal to get randomly 4-6 souljades from speedrun at 100%? O_o;;;

[bronze schooner]

I'm so bad at this mode man I dont understand it at all xd just permanently stuck

[quaint girder]

That's why I said make them cancellable and also add in damage where if you can get the full animation off it deals an ass loads of damage, but if you cancel it you still deal damage comparable to the faster animations like Jabbing

Devs are too afraid CN teams will abuse, but given Korvine and Manticore I doubt many top players could abuse the additional damage

[fierce light]

Yeah chapter missions don't have a guarantee on the quantity

[woven ingot]

Ok that explains the drop quantity variation. Seems like the drops are decent. It could be interesting when it's a week with a good fast Speedrun like this week, to farm it instead of Nirriti, as with the added omens you got a decent chance of loot and keys.

[fierce light]

Hmm idk. That would lead to a separate issue where a Souljade Slot is permanently taken up, which would weaken Ice builds for sure.

[woven ingot]

We did 10 runs I think. Hime had 1 rare and 6 epic jades iirc. It's a small sample, but doesn't sound that good in term of rewards. 10 fragments for 300 fatigue and 180 catchup points.
Sounds even worst than the event, which is not a small feat...

[dry sundial]

I don't suppose that there is an easy way to get the soul jades for the poison and ice lotus builds, I'm trying to get those builds.

[woven ingot]

Current event drop them at a good rate.

[dry sundial]

I've only really been getting the lotus aegis-break, lotus counter, lotus defuse. I have gotten a few toxified lotus, ghastbloom, and mighty lotus counter, but not as much as the first few i listed.

and i've been grinding the hell out of it

[fickle linden]

yeah this current event gives out alot of useless jades compared to last one

alot of meta jades missing from drops this time

[fierce light]

I'd still recommend getting a Ghastbloom from the event, but yeah iirc it's mainly Thunder and Ice jades in the event

[hearty rivet]

Oh, only 150 fatigue, speedrun costs only 15 :) imho it's similar drop to nirriti, just a bit fewer catchup points. A lot faster tho!

[woven ingot]

Oh right it's only 15. 10 fragments for 150 fatigue. Sounds better that way.

[ivory wharf]

first time on doom/speedrun - this particular speedrun is impossible 3* solo? takes like 6m to clear all three paths

[fierce light]

Even with:

1. Clear 1st path (start to end)
2. Kill Hammer Ent Guardian and grab buff
3. Clear 2nd path (end to start)
4. Teleport to 3rd path
5. Clear 3rd path (start to end)
   ?

but the builds doesnt really matter for me, I cannot clear nirriti's ruins on nightscream at all Im terrible and die in like 3 levels

@bronze schooner well Nightscream can be a bit difficult, especially if your collection bonuses are low and don't have your fire forged leveled much. But generally the more damage you can do the easier things get.

[bronze schooner]

just gonna not play it I think its impossible for me

[ivory wharf]

takes me ~4:30 to clear paths and ~4m on boss it seems on my current best it would appear

[woven ingot]

Dooms are tuned for trio, and won't tune down if you go solo. You can usually get 3* from the first 3 if you got a decent build. But the speedrun solo will most of the time be more than difficult to complete.

It's a bit late during the week, but you can always try to queue for it. The first two days after reset it's quite easy to get a party. On Sunday that may be more difficult.

[ivory wharf]

yeah figured the trios scaling; not actually sure how i 3* the first two that had running around; probably due to the mermaids and the frog having a lot less hp

put together the recommend ice lotus, but no red mods

[woven ingot]

that's a good start ^^

If you're from EU I can give a hand in 15-20 minutes.

[ivory wharf]

NA here

[woven ingot]

Oh, my ping there will not allow me to do much I'm afraid.

[amber terrace]

wishing this mode will return for fun

[prime wren]

Is anyone on doom rn I could use some help

[amber terrace]

sea?

[prime wren]

I’m NA

[fierce light]

I can

[prime wren]

What’s ur I’d?

[fierce light]

My bad got distracted

Getting on

[prime wren]

I just got in a match hold on😭

[fierce light]

Np ima do the quest rq

[prime wren]

@fierce light im ready whenever you are

[fierce light]

Okay, my ign is same as my discord. Just no space

[prime wren]

Alr

Is just us gonna be fine?

[fierce light]

Yes

[prime wren]

what kind of build do you have it’s hella op

[fierce light]

Lotus Mod build

[prime wren]

Tysm bro

[fierce light]

Yw

[brave pagoda]

whats the fastest way to raise sense grind a certain mode?

[fierce light]

Suffer No Demon right now.
Fastest grind for a limited time.

[brave pagoda]

ty ty

[olive bay]

anyone have some tips for paragon 4 (matron eerie)

im running matari w/ ice lotus 50% mod

[royal prairie]

guys...anyone can help me in doom mode for weeky rewards...please XD

[quaint girder]

What is this mode?

[quaint girder]

I meant for those Wielding SJs to be baked into kits like Netherstep

[amber terrace]

Heroes vs Omens

[woven ingot]

Sadfully not much tips. It’s learning the fight and hope she won’t be too mean.
You want to avoid the ice patches on the ground. Those increase your ice meter but also block your rage generation. As she will move a lot and also bump you onto them when she hits you the easiest way to deal with that is to play next to the invisible wall. No ice patches there.
The downside is that you will have to fight the boss and the camera a bit. Not too bad once you know all her combos.

Now i m having a doubt if the ice patches are Matron (para 4) or Korvine (para 8).

[hearty rivet]

Matron has Ice patches and likes to yeet you into them, Korvine has fire patches and she likes to park her Hundun on one for some reason (at least in my experience 😅 )

[woven ingot]

So same answer. And same also for Bough. Stay not far from the walls, no patches, hands etc. there.

[azure escarp]

Anybody know and good builds for valda cui or yotohime

[fickle linden]

just FYI they are two worst heroes in showdown at the moment

[plain spire]

I wish they put the areal rend as default skill in showdown for greatsword users heroes, Greatsword is abit lacking.

[fierce light]

Yeah it doesn't have much pay off for it's long animations.

[fierce light]

Ziping is in Solo Peak tier:
https://youtu.be/c_v6FnnnAmE?si=fGl8s6nbw9aPPmQr

[fickle linden]

player is also peak tier

[leaden relic]

Second this

[woven ingot]

Ahah. What Ten said. It’s FlameBane playing.
It still means she s excellent. I don’t think he would go through Peak solo with Valda or Tianhai.

[hearty rivet]

poor poor Tianhai finally got old and feeble 😔

[fierce light]

Hopefully when I max out ice build I can do this

[fickle linden]

how close did you get with your shards?

[fierce light]

I didn't have any Flux Shards on hand, but managed to get 4 Moderation, 4 Windfall

[fickle linden]

i'm sitting on 3100 jade shards and 4 flux shards so i can expect something similar 🙏

4 mods would be nice to get asap, but also not nice

are you gonna go for venomous lotus or whatever the new one was called for poison build, after you max out ice build? or just keep the old poison setup if your mobbing or something

[fierce light]

Ima max out my TScorch after

Depending on the amount of time, ima make a Venomous Lotus

[hidden creek]

i lack 4 windfalls but 3 consecutive imbues gives me 3x scorchings

so

ig i'll just stock up mats for next season

[woven ingot]

Welcome to my world. Only missing one wf to be done. But unlike you all it’s my only build.

Not sure yet if i ll go for a tschorch like Dark or stockpile everything like Tabbie.
Most obvious scenario: the game will never give me my missing wf for the next 3 months and i won’t have to choose.

[hidden creek]

tbh on my case it doesn't really matters cuz i'm chillin in showdown

like i can get everything i want with a build with just 6 rares so

[quaint girder]

I want to get 4 moderations on Matari and 8 WF for a vanilla Thunderpull Build I want to have fun with

But am having a hard time figuring out which jades to put mod on and which jades to do double WF

Trying to futureproof it, but its hard

[fierce light]

Core jades are your best bet

[hidden creek]

you defo want double mods on arcane thunder

other than that eh

[fierce light]

Managed to move my Moderation off of my Frozen Blast so I can swap it out at will if need be.

[astral widget]

how much damage she does on right first stage?

[hearty rivet]

Do I understand it well, the new frost souljade could be an useful but bit worse version of Sub-zero Seal if you expect to be below 50% hp a lot?

[hidden creek]

it's not worth it that's all

[fierce light]

Uh

[hidden creek]

you won't even see the dmg diff

[fierce light]

Well you're probably going to be busy healing quite a bit

[hidden creek]

and if you're playing ice and ur hp drops below 50% that's a time for u to heal

not going in

[fierce light]

Very limited ways to reach <50% Health on Ice without also losing your Armor. So you'd be one shot.

[hidden creek]

yep

[hearty rivet]

Well, yeah was thinking about possibilities 😅

[hidden creek]

i mean, new jade only better than SZS if 1: it's a single target and 2: you're hugging the target all the time
but even then the dmg diff is minimal
and you need to consider that you'll need to make that new jade just as good as your SZS which is maxed stats with 2 identical rares

it's just too much works

for too little dmg increase

i mean if you got all the mats required and is lucky enough sure why not

but eh

[hearty rivet]

Isn't it worse buff-wise? Only benefit is that it works below 50% hp

[hidden creek]

the description is wrong, it's actually the opposite

[hearty rivet]

oh? o.o

[hidden creek]

you get the dmg boost while you're ABOVE 50% hp

[hearty rivet]

wait that's the subzero seal o.o

[hidden creek]

oh nvm i read it wrong

yeah but again if you're playing ice and drops below 50% hp, it's likely that you lose all your armor before that already

and 50% hp w/o armor you defo need to back out and heal

doesn't matters which jades you're equipping

[hearty rivet]

yeah you're right

the idea came from yama8 + 9 where you got direct health damage from not caring about lava or snorting medusa cloud

[hidden creek]

if you don't care about lava or poison on a high stage yama you'll be dead...

[fierce light]

At max build, it's only ~2.5% better than Sub-Zero Seal when it's active, but is ~17.5% worse when it's inactive. So if you're planning to do any long distance mobbing, like in Immovable for example, it's a downgrade.

[hidden creek]

like doesn't matter if you're equipping new jade or sub zero, if you're lower than 50% hp during lava/poison state you'll defo need to do a heal
cuz if you don't the next DOT will kill you

[hearty rivet]

ok, I'm convinced

[hidden creek]

actually can you confirm that sub zero seal buff effect is added into our attack %?

cuz it said ''hit damage''

[fierce light]

Hit Damage Bonus is essentially Attack that's not considered for Burn.

They changed it as a "nerf" to not use it with Defuse-Burn builds.

[hidden creek]

i see

so on builds that doesn't make use of burn status, hit damage and attack boost are identical?

[fierce light]

Yes

It's additive with Attack

[hidden creek]

ok szs is 100% a better choice then lol

[fierce light]

Pretty much just to get some of the super sweats in CN to burn some of their stockpile lol

[hidden creek]

if new jades is really that good CN already running around with it

but they didn't

so in summary new jades are just devs bullshitting us all over again

''poison and thunder buff'' they say

[hearty rivet]

Saw some people with yama9 kill on leaderboards using new frost jade instead of SZS and it made me curious

(some = less than 4, for reference)

[hidden creek]

yeah but then when you compare them to those still running SZS you couldn't see a difference

[hearty rivet]

that's right.

[fierce light]

You'll need 7 Ice Blasts worth of rotations to make it even to Sub-Zero Seal and 8+ to make it better. That's assuming you can keep it up the entire time.

[hidden creek]

and you could never do that in real runs

and even if you could (which is impossible) the ''better'' in this context is so abysmal

[fierce light]

Anything with mobs and somewhat lengthy downtimes you pretty much shouldn't consider it

[hearty rivet]

Oh you two convinced me completely not to start experimenting with it

[hidden creek]

then again with the recasts needed to make the new jade with identical stats as your current SZS

[fierce light]

Which inherently gives it less value since it doesn't have the flexibility of Sub-Zero Seal

Actually going to be worse than 17.5% cause your accumulation rate is going to be low. Lower than Poison's.

Found a nice video covering how damage works in Showdown: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ms9qYfE4X/?vd_source=e436bcf4333345077b464ebf0fc7cf19

[hidden creek]

you could read chinese now?

[fierce light]

shush~1

[woven ingot]

Dark is magical.

He can read things he can’t read. Magic.

[woven ingot]

That's ... brightening my day!
When you get rid of the items you got during Spring Festival for spending gold, that was used to summon the golden Wealth God.
I had 400 of them left, that's 200 silks per item. CAn't complain unless they decide it's too much and get them back ^^'

[hidden creek]

wait a minute

you get 1 per 300 gold spent
and you got 400 left
meaning on this event alone you spent 120k gold? and not even using those to summon golden wealth god?

[woven ingot]

I may have spent a little during the event.
I went to the reward for using 18 or something I think. As I was short for the next reward and didn't wanted to spend some money on nothing just for the bubble in the chat so I kept the 400 items. Hoping they would give something decent.

[hidden creek]

you ''may have spent a little''?

A LITTLE?

[woven ingot]

It lasted two months didn't it? Plus they released/rereleased chests I liked or packs or this or that. So I decided to have fun.
I'm super good at conserving my RL money!

Or not.

[hidden creek]

that's over $1k

lol

in 2 months

[woven ingot]

Over 1-2 months yep.
I'm not a big spender IRL. I work to pay the bills I have no choice but paying. Rest is for my own fun. I had fun opening all those things. Deal completed.

I offered to marry you, you ate the wedding bouquet. The wedding money went into chests instead 😂

[hidden creek]

😂

[fierce light]

👀

[hidden creek]

next time i want a mayo to go with the bouquet

[woven ingot]

You seemed to be able to eat it with any condiment on it!

[hidden creek]

there's nothing wrong with a little more flavor

[woven ingot]

I can't relate, I don't eat wedding bouquets. They are meant for something else 😂

[steep wadi]

you should have kept the 400 for next time 880 gets you the money bane charm am sure its coming back

[woven ingot]

Could be, could be not. That I can't know. If they redo the event they'll use a different item I'm sure, so you can't just keep them from one year to another.
Those where clearly put at the end of the inventory with the usual "destroy" option.

[steep wadi]

Check out this clip! Woowie1 streaming NARAKA: BLADEPOINT! https://clips.twitch.tv/GrotesqueStrangeBatteryTBTacoRight-ifvNsZpSVNvsO0fq

[woven ingot]

Looks good. But I don't play PvP so even if I had it, I'd never see it ^^

[fickle linden]

solar for season rewards, otherwise guandan and showdown

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-card-smart-gif-26764832

[hidden creek]

2x asura for 20 chests reward, showdown when i'm watching something in the background, otherwise daily quests and afk

[woven ingot]

AFK and training ground. That's where you can find Tabbie 22 hours per day.

[bronze wharf]

[hearty rivet]

hehe, bit late from the party but nice 😅

[olive bay]

tf

gimme that

😡

also grats

[heavy gulch]

^ Love this guy's energy

[lucid ore]

If I want Windfall instead of Scorching, do I keep using Flux on it?

[buoyant notch]

Has anyone made a video

On how to use new matari

In the mystic waters

I keep getting out dps by others

skill issued most likely

[lucid ore]

spam your skills that's it

if you have tessa or something though, nothing you can do

[buoyant notch]

wdym

I’m getting out dps mostly by Tessa and zipping

[lucid ore]

in mystics water, people with 100% moderation will just spam skills and they kill everything very fast

[buoyant notch]

But I thought they said matari was stronger than both

[lucid ore]

so you need at least 100% moderation to compete

[lucid ore]

in other mode like boss fight sure, but in mystic since there are just mobs you can spam skills and tessa just spam her skills as it instantly resets

[buoyant notch]

sitting with 35%

Guess it’s time to grind to get good

[round glacier]

Feria skill is broken when it comes to mobbing

With 100% mid

Quite fun to use

[signal kite]

Yeap

Pretty tedious

[half whale]

Guys i need a tip for re-rolling for the Moderation on souljade :((

[kind path]

Ehy guys, im new.. someone know who is the best 3 heros?

[half whale]

spend like 200+ and haven't got a red

[hidden creek]

no tip, just luck

just make sure that your jade doesn't have a red already

[half whale]

bruh xd

well no red

but no luck too :((

sad

[woven ingot]

Did you stole Ten’s luck for a few event runs?

[woven ingot]

Ziping. Yueshan, Matari, Tessa, Tarka Ji. Choose your favorites amongst them.
But as you re new and thus no end game build, Wuchen or Viper Ning would be good picks too, being performing decently without a top build.

[woven ingot]

A rare will come between 10 and … 300+ fragments used. Nothing you can do (as long as there isn’t already a rare on that jade) but wait for rng to acknowledge your existence.
Only important thing: ignore your urges to use a flux shard on that jade. You ll need those later and they are extremely rares.

[half whale]

Bro :(( meaning i just having absolutely trash luck

[woven ingot]

We all have. Don’t worry. Naraka’s rng hates every one of us equally!
Ok maybe it hates Tabbie even a bit more than the rest of us, but that’s another problem 😂

[kind path]

really thank you

[woven ingot]

As long as you checked you don’t already have a rare on your jade, just recast until it get it.

[lucid ore]

just did some rerolling today, like 500 rolls for 5? rare but not the one I wanted so one of my sj still got nothing. It be like that

[woven ingot]

100 rolls for one rare is more or less what you can expect in average.

Having the one you want is another thing.

[fierce light]

Only way to change it to another rare

[lucid ore]

I was thinking, for new sj: you just start rerolling for the right rare then flux it, and if it's bad you just salvage it and redo the process?

[hearty rivet]

Maybe borrowed it while he was asleep or something. Or 75% fatigue gives the best loot to me too 😅

[fierce light]

Matari's Skill doesn't have that much AoE, but it's mainly that it buffs her to hit extremely hard afterwards. But yeah if you don't have 100% Moderation you're going to do less damage simply cause of the omen activating on skill use.

[fierce light]

Well not really. If the jade has low rolls, you can use the bad rares to convert to max attributes. If it has high rolls, you wouldn't want to replace it anyway.

[unique lotus]

any can help me and a buddy showdown hard chapter 2 defending?

[fierce light]

What server?

[unique lotus]

eu but we can change to na

[fierce light]

Sorry bout that, yeah I can come to eu

What's your ign

[unique lotus]

ChaosDRoger

[woven ingot]

Worked well at least that is sure. You re a better burglar than i am. Never managed to steal Ten’s luck.

[fierce light]

Loading up

[unique lotus]

gonna for a smoke be4

[woven ingot]

What s your ping on EU?

[fierce light]

~130-150ms

[woven ingot]

I see. Quite high for precision things. But nothing abnormal as most of us got 100-200 from EU to NA. Just wanted to know if the numbers were being in the same bracket on the other way.

[fierce light]

Shouldn't affect much on Hard difficulty

[unique lotus]

so bk

[woeful monolith]

If I recast and get to choose the attribute. So if i take my Scorching (1) and go to put ICeblast dmg will it be a Max stat....or is it just random?

[fierce light]

80% ≶ 100%

[olive bay]

anyone have some tips for paragon 4 (matron eerie)
im running matari w/ ice lotus 50% mod

[tacit nest]

how many paragons are there gon be this season in total??

[fierce light]

We'll know tomorrow

[fierce light]

So according to Douyin, Ziping increases her teammate's Attack by 4% and Elemental Accumulation by 6.2%.

Seems really small, haven't gotten around to testing it myself yet though.

[woven ingot]

I'm surprised by the numbers. Hard to judge for the atk, but the accumulation bonus seemed more than that.
Of course that's for her teammates, the bonus on herself are way higher than that.

Gotta wait next week to get a few Peak runs and compare the timing with what we usually get, to see how she ranks between the top picks.

[fierce light]

Yeah idk what kind of method they used, they got the +20% Attack like I did, but +31% instead of +30% Elemental Accumulation for self. Not that big of a discrepancy, but those numbers seem really odd.

Ah her Shield is for 500 as well and +20% Elemental DMG for teammates for her Ultimate.

[woven ingot]

That 20% elemental damage is quite huge.

She got more than that for herself on the Ultimate?

[fierce light]

100% for self

[woven ingot]

No wonders she reaches really good scores. 100% elemental damage on self is huge.
Elemental damage covers Lotus impacts, the Ghastbloom and elemental explosion right?

[fierce light]

Yes

[woven ingot]

That's really sweet.
I thought she would be terrible. Spear user and a healer in a damage skill meta because of Mod. They managed to make her a good healer, a team buffer and one of the top 5 damage dealers. Adding that her shield deny being frozen, that's a very sweet icing on the cake.
Can't argue that's a job well done in term of character development.

[fierce light]

Yeah they did a pleasantly well job balancing Ziping.

Hopefully they do the same for Justina when she releases. Temulch, Yoto Hime and Valda still need a bit of love though. They tried with the Greatsword buff, but it still didn't help enough. Temulch's Skill needs a faster/cancelable animation since it hits decently hard now.

[woven ingot]

I agree. Telmuch without the animation putting him in the air for 2-3 seconds would be totally decent. That animation is ruining his whole performance. He may not be a top 5 damage dealer, but he would be totally decent and playable.
Valda ... now that we got Ziping and see what she can do with a spear, they could clearly give some love to Valda.
Old monk Tianhai could receive some love too. I'm surprised having a blast in the event with him right now. But that's specific to the event, ult giving him a skill every two seconds proc ice lances again and again. And you can use his skill to proc ice lances too, while in a normal game you wouldn't play it.

[fierce light]

Okay so I tested it, Ziping does increase teammate's Attack by 4%. I can't be bothered to test the boost in Accumulation if it is truly that small though.

[woven ingot]

4% atk won't change the global result much. The accumulation bonus when teamed with a Ziping felt like it was helping a bit when I screwed my skill and had to charged attack until I got an elemental blast, but could have been my imagination.

[fierce light]

Yeah testing for accumulation is a pain, especially without Free Training. But can still assume it's at least a 5% increase (additive). Probably around as much as you get from Collection Bonuses in Nirriti's Ruins.

[hearty rivet]

Huh, just strolled through Legendary nirriti with Zip 👀 Took some time bc game liked to give me armor and less than ideal rings but it was a surprise 👀

[turbid agate]

Yeah, Zip makes nightscream even easier lol

[restive wraith]

last day till reset is so depressing

10 games 3 bots

and I cant even just leave and solo

11 games 4 bots

lmao

[round glacier]

Are the new jades worth it?

[woven ingot]

She's doing good in Nirriti even without having the Moderations. You can simply DragonSlayer/Razor through everything, you simply have to do it the normal way.

[woven ingot]

Short form: do not bother if you already have a build done.

[round glacier]

Aight

In the trash they go lol

[thorn narwhal]

385% > 485% that's correct?

[fierce light]

Yes

Ziping is a much more selfish buffer than Kurumi. But more than makes up for it

[leaden relic]

[hidden creek]

@fierce light do you purchase all showdown battlepasses?

[fierce light]

So far yeah. Just use the community rewards for it

[hidden creek]

can you give me a screenshot of the 1st bp bow

i missed that one

[fierce light]

This?

[woven ingot]

Nice Votex-like look. I had never seen that one yet.

[chrome seal]

Sorry what do you mean by community rewards?

I wish they did the BP with cashback like in pvp by getting the gold back so I wouldn't have to buy it every season
That's the only thing stopping me from buying it on pve really

[chrome seal]

Oh wow that's cool bro

[tacit nest]

Yoooooo

How you get that????

[fierce light]

From being a community helper

[tacit nest]

Oh w bro

[modern mirage]

Hello, my potential stopped leveling when i hit lvl 40,does anybody know why ?

[shrewd basin]

That’s max

[dusky cosmos]

if you're wondering "but then where are my missing potential points?" they are unlocked in the Season Challenge

[modern mirage]

damn

just saw

tyy

[fierce light]

Lol wtf

This new SND is automatic

[analog aspen]

I was trying to get top 10 for once in yama's abyss last week. Now I see that I'm rank 11 on both Matari an Wuchen off by 2 seconds...

[timid stirrup]

im somehow still top 10 with wuchen with only clearing para 7 trio

[analog aspen]

xD

Whats your server?

[timid stirrup]

NA pc

[analog aspen]

Intresting, I expected more people to play on NA

[fierce light]

Wuchen's not really played much at the top atm

[woven ingot]

On EU he was played a lot in trio on Yama 9

[feral pelican]

Guys, who will pass faster Enigma Peak?

[heavy gulch]

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[woven ingot]

Nice one ^^

[feral pelican]

even better

[river stratus]

wich heroes?

[feral pelican]

Tessa Ziping Yueshan

[fierce light]

Interesting, no Matari instead of Tessa?

Looks like the Tessa out damaged the Ziping as well. Interesting.

[woven ingot]

I'd vote for Matari too, but that's player dependant, if their 3rd player can't play Matari, just like me, then Tessa is the next choice.

[signal kite]

Whoa new contents and stuff ! patch notes where where !!

[fierce light]

Oh yikes test server has to redownload the game

Got barely enough space haha

[fathom bobcat]

Tessa and Yushan on bosses, Ziping on mobs.

[fierce light]

Interesting, guessing Tessa to break Aegis faster?

[feral pelican]

ya

[tacit nest]

for xbox servers he is

lmfao

alot actually

[fierce light]

Even on Xbox they stopped at Paragon 7

[tacit nest]

frinlett still plays top paragons

so does another

they passed me

[fierce light]

Oh wait I'm looking at solo

[woven ingot]

Bad Dark, bad!

[tacit nest]

solo does stop at 7 so you are right

i guess wuchen isnt really key at top paragons solo

[fierce light]

New spawn location lol?

[woven ingot]

That looks ... weird?

[leaden relic]

Yeah only one time boss has appeared to me here. Was also same time the boss icon display was bugged, purple icon showing 500m away from this black/yellow one that’s seen in your screenshot. also seems to be very specific path to get to the boss as well, terrain not so clear with it

[fierce light]

Yeah had to hug the border to eventually find a way

[plain spire]

i played that spawn loc in topaz when peak was still locked, the entrance and exit of that spawn loc is pretty 💩

[woven ingot]

I think I had that once in Topaz some time ago on SEA. I was the mobber and tried to join that place for the end boss. With 200 ping and trying to find the small path leading to that "beach" wasn't the best game ever.

[chrome seal]

Happened to me a week or a lil more ago in topaz solo

[bronze schooner]

Is it a bug that you get barely any hero xp currently?

I've only been doing Suffer no Demon so idk if its just that and not the other modes

[fickle linden]

yes it's bugged

[chrome seal]

I flagged that with screenshots to Fugui last week but no follow up

[plain spire]

If you want to level heroes faster play yama's 100 hero xp per stage

[fickle linden]

3200 shards and 2 hours of recasting

missing the last windfall

[fierce light]

That's crazy that that's not enough to finish a build tbh

Still pretty strong

[fickle linden]

got alot of scorching in row on successive ice blast

but was also lucky with flux shards (all were windfalls and i had 4x mod already)

[thorn narwhal]

not really crazy, i've spent 650+ shards just to get a max from a rare and still haven't gotten it so ended up having 95% anyway while 1 time it took like 5 recasts, so it all depends on luck

[plain spire]

im happy with my stats, don't want to stress on getting the last 3 windfall

[fickle linden]

how much is your attack?

[plain spire]

399

[fickle linden]

attack so high even with 22.5% dmg to boss 😯

[plain spire]

im max build trading the 3 windfall to max ice blast dmg for dmg to boss.

[fickle linden]

ohh i read it as 360% ice blast dmg. it's 4 am soon im tired

[fierce light]

Got a lot of time, ima try to max my ice build

[heavy gulch]

I'm trying to rebuild a lotus set, but can't remember how to get the flowers to change to match the element

[shrewd basin]

I imagine it just having the element type on the jade

[heavy gulch]

Thata what I thought..! 😅 but no dice

[plain spire]

Last tree in potential Thunder/Poison/Ice Root

[heavy gulch]

Ooh man you're right im not there yet. Thank you both

[hearty rivet]

When you get stuck in Manticore and can't do anything about his lightning attacks 😓

[shrewd basin]

Chain defuse or play a transformer

[fierce light]

They do seem to be struggling with collision boxes

Rather be able to hit them than not though. Like the Water Ent when it's turned sideways.

[hearty rivet]

Yes, normall if I'm not inside the boss, I chain defuse&stuff

[fickle linden]

so will paragon 10 be last level?

no new levels opened

[fierce light]

If there's no next screen, then probably so

[fickle linden]

no next screen

[hearty rivet]

While it is probably good for my mental health, next 3 and a half-ish months will be a bit boring 😅 I'm sure next stages would be eerie + ghost bosses if we got any.

Anyway, Yama10 is a significantly more pleasant place than Yama9 was. Also, Kitty toy balls and iron skin should be outlawed.

[fierce light]

Well as long as they didn't have the same scaling as single bosses, I wouldn't mind some with an Umbra Boss

Yeah not looking forward to the iron skin

But no annoying Omens, just a straight up fight sounds nice

[hearty rivet]

YESSS!

[fickle linden]

best omens ever 🙏

is it totally random when he does iron skin or is there something specific to it?

[hearty rivet]

Thankfully he doesn't seem to chain ironskin himself like in peak.

[fickle linden]

gonna be fun for peeps to grind top time when he can do iron skin anytime he wants and ruin your run?

[fierce light]

https://discord.com/channels/750237703739539497/1345214096089288786

[hearty rivet]

I hope they'll listen to that.

[fickle linden]

i had never even seen that bouncing ball attack that followed you before tonight

[hearty rivet]

It was funnier watching it chasing Migosha

[olive bay]

which one better?

in terms of attribute values

[fickle linden]

the one with maxed ice blast and rare stat ➡️

you can recast it into 2nd max value stat

[olive bay]

ya i was gonna do that

thanks 👍

[amber terrace]

test server is open?

[tacit nest]

Anyone on for paragon 10?

If so just @ me and I’ll hop on

[fierce light]

The Test Server will be available from ** <t:1741334880:D> to <t:1741820400:f>**!

[tacit nest]

Good shi

Hopefully they take that into account

[fierce light]

I haven't tried Paragon 10 yet

[amber terrace]

they just say time end but no say time start

[fierce light]

But I'll be down later. Mainly need some peaks to burn my first 600 fatigue

[fierce light]

Good point. Still have about 2 days til it opens

[tacit nest]

Lmk dawg. Usually just soloing anyways. Need people to play with and no one in chamber really plays lol

Laying down watching horror Minecraft rn

[fierce light]

You on?

[tacit nest]

yes, was brushing teeth

[twin ledge]

Ok if they don’t fix the boss on stage 10 im deleting the game

I’m not gonna sit there with boss turning metal every fucking 3 seconds fuck that

Stupid they didn’t fix that crap

It’s crazy I had 2 really good runs and boss goes into metal form fucking 2 times back to back first game and 3 or 4 times the next

so I’m not doing it again till it’s fixed I just got clear and that’s it I’m not going for time which that boring crap

[tacit nest]

you clear it with scorch?

[twin ledge]

Ice is best

Not doing it solo till it’s changed

[twin ledge]

And I fully maxed out my ice build today too

[tacit nest]

w bro

i was gonna

but ima just save every last shard i get for next seasons meta

[twin ledge]

That’s 90 days away

[tacit nest]

i know lol

[twin ledge]

Tbh I would just max ur % then save

U should be able to max in 2 weeks

Then start saving and have more than enough for next season

[tacit nest]

idk how to operate the percents like u guys

[twin ledge]

Just gotta work them with love

lol

[tacit nest]

insert skull emojji

i gave mine love alr

put 9 rares on before 1 max stat

[twin ledge]

I noticed u have 2 windfalls at 30%

U should max those

Maxing those will be a decent amount of dmg

[tacit nest]

how much more?

[fierce light]

Lol just gained 2 more Windfalls

From the little fragments I got from reset

[twin ledge]

Ask zero idk lol but just no pretty big

[tacit nest]

w bro

[fierce light]

I put off making an ice build too long, now it's blessing me

Now to sleep. Ggs

[twin ledge]

Oh u got more windfalls on ice now?

[fierce light]

30% to 50% assuming you have max stats would be:
+6% Ice Blast
+0.8% Attack

[fierce light]

6/8 now

[tacit nest]

i def dont have maxed lol

i wanna start ice but dont got jades for it

[twin ledge]

Dang u just had 4

[tacit nest]

events not giving them either

[fierce light]

Current SND should be primarily Ice Jades.

4 more peaks then going to farm SND.

I'll do that tomorrow tho

[tacit nest]

idk where the main two for first clear went

them hoes gone

[silver nimbus]

👍 👍

[chrome seal]

Btw I had recasted a couple rare stats and never got max stats out of those.
Also have a feeling that I read somewhere that recasting a rare will give random value on new stat

[timid stirrup]

it is random value on new stat. but you can farm a max stat or nearly max stat

[woven ingot]

3200 fragments and 2 hours and you get the same build that i have, playing it since first day of the season and used … 10k+ shards?
The game doesn’t love everyone the same ^^’

[woven ingot]

I know what you did last summ… night. I saw what you wrote there!!!

[woven ingot]

Recasting a rare gives a random atteibute but with its value between 80 and 100%. So you refuse the result and recast until you get a 90%+ and then you accept the result and recast that random attribute into the one you want.

[woven ingot]

Manticore would need a few tweaks. Its hitbox in both phases is wrong, some heroes will often end their move inside the boss or on weird places.

• In P1 some of the ball plays could be tuned down a bit. It’s a good idea overall to have all those different mix of moves (even if not something i like personally) but some of moves are too much (huge 3 times aoe explosion coming on top).
• in P2 they already made the breath easier to handle and that’s good. Would still need to calm down the grab from Iron Skin, moreover when Manti does it twice in Eerie, that thing shouldn’t be a one shot. More over when done during a phase already too punishing as you can’t damage Manti during it. The Iron Skin itself, calm that thing down, give it an internal cd at least. The thing itself is already abused, no damage for 20 seconds. Plus most of the moves done during it are over tuned. If you used your ult and Manti answers with Iron Skin (which it does very often) your ult is nullified, not great. The fact it can chain it is insufferable. Our record so far is 3 times in a row in Peak. Meaning Manti chained 3 Iron Skin one after another without breaks …

[limpid pecan]

they need to make manti spin like eerie bough in 2nd phase

while throwing everywhere lightning and poison

[woven ingot]

Don’t give them terrible ideas, pretty sure they would like them 😂

Rotating around the whole Arena spitting poison and lightning covering 100% of the arena for 30 seconds. Also doing one shotting grabs every 3-10 seconds during the rotation. All that in Iron Skin in case you d manage to hit Manti by miracle. If you still dare to hit it during it you get a 10 sec stagger effect.
Sounds like a good challenging move imo. Time for me to be a boss designer for games!

[steep patio]

Can I use this for ice thunder

[limpid pecan]

the iron skin is too weak

upgrade it to protected while reconnecting red focus

and i have idea

after eerie

next tier of bosses is called

"upgraded eerie"

and upgraded eerie manticore

will have mounted rocket launchers

and jetpacks

and eye lasers

[woven ingot]

Ahah. Can’t wait to … not do that boss.

[hidden creek]

what's ice thunder

[timid stirrup]

444 prolly. the ice thunder lotus hybrid build.

[hidden creek]

if so then no, 444 you run this

[chrome seal]

Does it also depend on the rares stat value? I think it doesn't, right?

[chrome seal]

Getting stuck underneath him and not seeing if your attack has charged to blue is pain xD

[chrome seal]

Yeah no pls
Eerie manti is already strong enough

[woven ingot]

No the rare value doesn’t matter at all.

[chrome seal]

Like if I have scorch +1 can I still get high number stat on the new recasted stat? Or is it also proportional like with recasting between normal stats

[chrome seal]

Aight thanks

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[hearty rivet]

It's still on!

Just second part

[fierce light]

That wouldn't work. Successive Ice Blast requires you to be Ice Element to work, which would make Thunder Root pretty bad. You're better off going a Thunder Lotus build in that case.

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any new build in meta?

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is there a good way to use feria shens mech. I keep dying from pressing it

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[fierce light]

Nope.

[woven ingot]

Her ult is terrible at the moment. The best way to use it is … to not press the button.
Like Yueshan and tianhai the transformation to and out of ulti takes 2 seconds. Going into ult usually isn’t a problem, getting out of it can ends in dying. During those 2 seconds you re vulnerable, can’t move, can’t defuse and you do take damage.

[quaint girder]

Her ulti is a glorified Ghost Ent killing machine. You use it to kill those pesky fliers out of the sky in Niriti

[limpid pecan]

maybe they should make mech drop AI summon

[fierce light]

She was the only transformation Ultimate that wasn't buffed. So it's still a pretty big DPS drop. Only good thing is the buff it gives, but that's only 20% more Attack.

[woven ingot]

You mean tianhai was buffed??

[fierce light]

Yes, but he has a bad Skill outside of his Ultimate and clunky attacks.

[woven ingot]

If what i know is the buffed ult, i have to wonder what it was before. The only thing i can imagine is that he was giving hp to enemies when hitting them? 😂

[fierce light]

His grabs were hitting weaker than Ranged Weapons and the Slam with 2 enemies did half the damage his Skill does now iirc.

[hearty rivet]

So he was popular in 1.5 only because of his not-sucky defuse that worked well with incinerate build? :o

[hidden creek]

yes

because of his auto-casting defuse counter attack

so he could do defuse > let the defuse counter attack does 1 hit to apply burn > dash cancel > defuse again

[fierce light]

Pretty much. His Defuse Counterattack would hit almost instantly and doesn't consume stamina allowing him to do some really fast dash cancel techs.

His weapon DPS isn't that bad either, it's just clunky.

[woven ingot]

The charged V gives decent damage/dps iirc. The special charged is great for controlling adds, including elites, and has a wide and long area, but does not that big dps and accumulation doesn’t feel great. In event mobs were usually dead before the elemental blast occurred, which isn’t the case with other heroes.
The counter can sometime miss the target depending or your placement/distance to the boss, that one hurts when it happens.

His skill … he got a skill really??
His ult, doesn’t seems too bad with mod build as you can use it more often. But it seems to be lasting way less than yueshan’s and damage doesn’t really compare.

[hidden creek]

his V is shit

i had never seen any tianhai used his V to do damages

[limpid pecan]

his F slam does major dmg

and staggers boss

prob can proc elemental blast

and he has very quick animations

[woven ingot]

His F while in ult yes. It does proc elemental blast.

[hidden creek]

major dmg compare to what

[limpid pecan]

i mean idk but he kills nirriti hard first boss before ult runs out

[hidden creek]

who cares about nirriti lol

[limpid pecan]

yueshan is slower

on this boss

[woven ingot]

Can’t access the spreadsheet from work, but isn’t it his charged V that is the best one?
It s the one always played in pvp.

[limpid pecan]

we are comparing base damage

[sleek bronze]

Tianhai and feria v is shit for real lol

[limpid pecan]

besides from standpoint of ice build

[hidden creek]

wdym comparing base dmg

[limpid pecan]

u would only care about elemental activations

however bigger problem is his F is useless

[woven ingot]

Ahhhh sorry. You meant V and not charged V, Tabbie. So yes his ult is fun, but not really performing.

[limpid pecan]

yueshan has great F and great F in ult too

while monk just has F in ult thats good

[hidden creek]

the point is if you use his V you lose dps, so it's a shit ult, that's literally it

[limpid pecan]

im pretty sure u gain dps

he hits rly hard

and staggers boss too

so he wont do some annoying thingy

u prob missed the patch notes that buffed his dmg like crazy

[hidden creek]

and still couldn't even make it to top 5 so who cares lol

[woven ingot]

It worked in the event last week. But that’s a special case, as you got multiple targets and the ice lances. Still, in Ult his F was doing very decent damage and aegis damage i felt.

[limpid pecan]

top5 of what

[hidden creek]

of current meta?

[woven ingot]

Top 5 dps/top picks.

[limpid pecan]

well he is useless coz his F is useless

his ult is pretty decent

[woven ingot]

He can’t reach top 5 with his actual skill, in the current meta. That’s a fact.

[hidden creek]

and still couldn't make him a worth pick so what's the point?

on burn meta you're literally trolling if you use his V
on current meta you're literally trolling if you pick him

[woven ingot]

I should take a try at peak with him to see how ult feels in real combat. But Ten and Hime are going to kill me if I take Tianhai 😂

[limpid pecan]

the point is u dont even understand what u talk about. u claim his V is shit - which is not really the problem to begin with, and its not shit

the problem is we have ice moderation meta and his non-ult F doesnt deal dmg

his ult would need to be like 10x stronger than yueshan's or something to compete without having F

[hidden creek]

bro, his V was always shit until the recent buff, ok i might be wrong, his V might be better now and actually worth to activate** if you choose to play him** BUT he was out of the meta so hard that you don't even considering picking him

so for a character that you don't pick, why does it matters if his V increase his dmg or not?

[limpid pecan]

well obviously u cant play hero with 0 dmg F skill in moderation meta

[woven ingot]

We got one exception to that rule now: Ziping ^^

[limpid pecan]

her F instantly triggers dragonslayer

with insanely damaging razor swift

is basically dmg skill

[fierce light]

Ziping is similar to Matari. Their Skill doesn't contribute much damage/accumulation, but the buff following it makes it worth running Moderation.

[woven ingot]

Which would be an easy fix for tianhai. Make his F works like Zip. You can directly go into the huge aoe after.

[limpid pecan]

also gives her buffs to elemental accumulation and attack

[limpid pecan]

think all his staff attacks are far too weak for this to work

[hidden creek]

lol no merciless havoc is shit too

[limpid pecan]

they would need to apply insane buff to merciless

he probably needs something like shockwave from bell dealing dmg

or idk

[fierce light]

Tianhai Ultimate got buffed quite significantly alongside Yueshan, the issue is that he can't charge his Ultimate quickly like Yueshan can and his Ultimate's Skill does half the DPS of Yueshan's.

[woven ingot]

Only half? It felt the damage was quite high.

[limpid pecan]

ye idk about half too

[hidden creek]

to make it fair, every character with a non-aggressive F need their F to gives some buffs

like ziping

only then they could keep up with mod meta

also they need to do something with gs users

[limpid pecan]

ye gs is absolute trash

[fierce light]

The damage is high (2500% of Attack vs 3000% of Attack for Yueshan), but the long animation lock makes it deal less DPS.

[limpid pecan]

it has very short cooldown tho

[hidden creek]

maybe give them aerial rend by default

[woven ingot]

But now they saw Zip worked great and people are happy about it, we can hope they ll make some rework on old ones like tianhai or kurumi.
I don’t need them to become the new top 1. Just to be decent and feel good to play.

[limpid pecan]

u can probably double F with monk on elemental blast

and have next F up for next ice CD

[woven ingot]

You can.

[hidden creek]

fuck it just gives him new ult

https://tenor.com/view/armored-titan-reiner-braun-wallmaria-titans-breaks-wall-gif-8829259

make him this

[fierce light]

3s cooldown, yeah he doesn't even need Moderation

Actually

[woven ingot]

For Telmuch, simply removing the 2 sec in the air may be enough. The hero is good and numbers are fine. He s only undermined by that animation that makes no sense in Showdown.

[hidden creek]

make him able to suplex the boss

[fierce light]

I think you could do more Ultimate Skills than Yuehan can

Which would give him more DPS overall than Yueshan, in their Ultimates.

[woven ingot]

Yep you can with or without mod on your build.

[limpid pecan]

make monk able to grab boss

in hand

and throw him out of arena

and u win

[woven ingot]

Tianhai ult is strong in damage over the whole transformation. But felt like the transformation length was very short.

The bad part for me is that it feels a bit clunky. It s the same logic as Yueshan but dunno, when using him i feels like it’s not fluid like yueshan F, 4 attacks, F etc.

[fierce light]

Yeah they nerfed the duration of both their ultimates by quite a bit

If Tianhai had the long duration still, I think he could be competitive.

[woven ingot]

He can’t fasten it like Yueshan tho. Would need his skill to give rage when you successfully block something for exemple, to be competitive.
And will still need a rework of his skill.

[fierce light]

He technically would get more rage from his skill if he lands a Counterstrike

[fierce light]

Since it boosts the base damage of it

[fickle linden]

whip sword gonna be banger

[fierce light]

A weapon on April Fools?

Interesting

Too bad it might be a couple years till Showdown sees it

[woven ingot]

Mention to a whip is made. Ten appears. Noted.

[hidden creek]

if it really comes, next showdown season we might get a weapon skin for it on the bp or shop tho

and it'll probably be matron's whipsword

[hearty rivet]

We can join as Temulch/Valda or Yotohime so you won't suck alone 🙃 (and can do that later with fatigue turned off or something for 0 stress test :p )

[fierce light]

Wow you can perma-stun the boss in Tianhai Ult lol

[amber terrace]

yup

[fierce light]

Might be possible to get 6 Skills off.
Skill + Skill + Melee + Skill + Skill + Melee + Skill + Skill + Melee

[quaint girder]

Showdown Roadmap (Naes Prediction):

• Justina Gu: Long Sword & Bow
• Shayol Wei: Heng Sword & Pistol
• Takeda Nobutada: Katana & Swarm
• Kylin Zhang: Heng Sword & Rifle
• Akos Hu: Fist Blades & Cannon
• Zai: Dual Sword & Pistol

[woven ingot]

Would make sense.
But i notice that whips attract both Ten and you.
I m not surprised for you tho 😂

[hidden creek]

yeah i'm bored of the game alr

need something new

[woven ingot]

Ahahah. Sounds pretty funny actually. Going for the paralympics of Peak.

[hidden creek]

fistblade is boring

so i'm actually looking forward for the new weap

[fickle linden]

dw they will add new gamemode instead of new weap for you

escort 2.0

💀

[hidden creek]

💀

i had never played that mode

[fickle linden]

you cant anymore

cant find games

lol

atleast in eu

[woven ingot]

Fair. And your first idea is to get whips!!

[woven ingot]

Maybe not a complete stun lock but you can clearly stagger the boss a lot. Can make a difference. Notably in multi player.

You can also use the V to jump. But not sure about the damage dealt. And it tends to be clunky to land where you d want to

[fickle linden]

have they ever added new weapon before old ones for showdown in the past? we are still missing 2 from PVP

i have no idea what are like last 3 weapons added to the game

but i'd guess heng and fist are most recent

[fierce light]

The stagger doesn't last the entire time, but it seems to reset the boss AI for a bit

[quaint girder]

Never so far

Actually

No I'm wrong

They added Fan before Dual Halberds

Wuchen came out before Tessa

So it's possible that they might drop the new weapon with Justina if the schedule aligns. If it's truly the whip sword and it's congeneric with LS I think it would fit

[hidden creek]

nah justina will have ls

[amber terrace]

🤔

what's this name toy?

[woven ingot]

Yeah and it feels great when you know a terrible move is going to be done by the boss, you punch its face and it feels like « nope. You don’t do that ». The ai reset and the boss does something else 😂
Too bad you can’t stagger once the move is started tho. At least i couldn’t stagger manti out of rotating breath if it had started. All i could do was punching until the aegis broke to stop it.

As much as i like to mock the old monk, I think his ult may be something very good. Tianhai is undermined by a terrible skill and staff moves that could feel a bit better in showdown.

[fierce light]

They'll just have to change his skill from doing aegis damage to health damage

With the ridiculous scaling of Aegis, they really hurt the viability of dealing it.

[woven ingot]

Health damage and elemental accumulation would work. As long as it does damage to work with mod lotus mechanics.

[river stratus]

actually tian F can trigger scorching tho

[twin ledge]

Is that the raging build

U still using that lol?

I thought u had thunder burn

[river stratus]

yes i have ice and thunderburn, still sometime i play this one for fun and last time noticed that on tian skill

[twin ledge]

It should say it can parry

Counter strike too

Wait ima try

[river stratus]

yes can do

[twin ledge]

Ok just making sure

They need to rework his attacks tbh

He is basically not good on anything now cause his attacks take to long

[river stratus]

yeah

[fierce light]

Dang almost had a super fast run, but it went metal form

[shrewd basin]

I feel like any burn mechanics should bypass metal skin like ( completely unrelated) DnDs heat metal

[twin ledge]

Tarka can

[shrewd basin]

@fierce light want my account to make a build on XD

[fierce light]

He won't take any damage from weapon attacks

everything else goes

[fierce light]

Lol all the builds are listed on the site

[shrewd basin]

lol to lazy

[hearty rivet]

Ghastbloom thing hurts him during ironskin too.

[fickle linden]

recast until rare button would be nice

for making a build

[shrewd basin]

Or auto cast til max value

[fierce light]

Being able to save your non-rare guarantees would be cool too

Somehow double Tessa is going faster than double Yueshan

Without even breaking Aegis

[fickle linden]

are the rewards still as bad as last week?

[fierce light]

They seem slightly better this week

I used first 600 fatigue on peak tho

I'm reaching 1800 fatigue and I'm only at 3000 catch up this time

[woven ingot]

And who gonna be fatigueless after 2 days? ^^

[fierce light]

Most of my friends already capped lol

I'm just late cause I did peak solo and trio'

[fierce light]

Not bad for 75% rewards

Craziness

[fickle linden]

75% ftw

[shrewd basin]

Not sub 30 your slackin

[fierce light]

I got a 28s one

But it failed to screenshot

[tacit nest]

Don’t worry @fierce light I gotchu

[quaint girder]

This is the Showdown channel

This isn't the suggestion channel

[fair tendon]

Oh dang my bad i saw whip sword and was like this my chance

[quaint girder]

Also Fugui rarely comes here

[fair tendon]

Apologies

[woven ingot]

ahah makes sense.

[timid stirrup]

so i was looking at the event test heroes and tarka has a poison canon build on.

would either of the other elements have a better canon build?

[tacit nest]

@fierce light @ me if your on later for paragon, someone took my spot i want it back

[fierce light]

Hard to say, some reason that build was procing Poison Blast in one shot, which is hard to beat.

[fierce light]

Alrighty

[twin ledge]

Ice cannon I think is

Tested it but didn’t have it fully built with ice cannon and it seem to almost do more

So if it was prob max stats like the trial poison one prob is better

But will never know cause I’m not maxing it

[fierce light]

Yeah both Frost Cannon and Poison Cannon are taking two shots to proc an Elemental Burst in Free Training.

Poison Cannon though summons a lot more Bloomblasts from hitting a group of enemies and they're buffed by Venomous Lotus.

[fierce light]

I'm on

[twin ledge]

But tbh I don’t think that build will do any good outside that event tho

[fierce light]

Yeah not much point in making a Cannon build rn

[tacit nest]

Alr. Hopping back on

Gimme couple mins

[twin ledge]

It didn’t do much when boss was by there self’s

[fierce light]

Only good really against mobs without Aegis.

[twin ledge]

I wish they would make the pistol range build good again

I still remember the pistol build on viper back then

[warped falcon]

Hi would u gusy say rage/dmg is good on matari

[twin ledge]

It would recharge her ult so fast it was just so good

[twin ledge]

All range builds are butt cheeks now

[tacit nest]

im ready @fierce light

[warped falcon]

No not range

[tacit nest]

had to reset, graphics cars had update

[warped falcon]

Rage per damage

[fierce light]

Hasn't been worth building for since they nerfed it scaling with your Attack & DMG bonuses.

[twin ledge]

Oh my bad I didn’t read it fully lol

Didn’t see it said rage

But I don’t think rage would be worth

[olive bay]

bruh why is it only 15% lmao

the melee weapon one is almost max

[fickle linden]

normal stat value doesn't matter

what you should have done is recast the lowest value stat into rare

[olive bay]

oh alr i didnt know that

thanks

[limpid pecan]

its very easy to recast rare attribute to max btw

in like 20-30 recasts should be done max

[olive bay]

👍

[olive bay]

shouldve known lol

but ty for letting me know for next time

[fickle linden]

gz on moderation anyway 🎉

thank you DnS for last windfall

[olive bay]

yo thats crazy luck

[fickle linden]

i'd rather have luck with treasure chests than with recasting jades 🥲

[fickle linden]

did also ~600 fatigue in peak

[fierce light]

Think I ended off with around 4.4k

[timid stirrup]

im gonna try n complete my ilm build once i cap fatigue

i need to spam for flux shards

all of my jades currently have a rare so hopefully i can make some flux shards

[fierce light]

Yeah I have a new found appreciation for ILM after challenging myself on PLM for so long.

[tacit nest]

@fierce light

whenever build is complete ima switch my ghast to ice

which is 2 wind and near max stat

i already got 2 mods on ice

and semi good ice damage

gimme couple weeks

[fierce light]

Hoping I can get the last 2 Windfalls in the next couple weeks

Think I used up my luck though

[tacit nest]

Deconstruct the poison build

Once I get my stats near max and all the first rares I need

I might do that

[fierce light]

Going to avoid deconstructing any builds, cause never know what's going to be meta in the future

Although I did convert my old Thunder build to Thunder Scorch.

[zealous patrol]

well

just get the main rares on the main pieces of a set right

[fierce light]

Yeah, so you can swap out the optional ones since they're the most likely to be powercrept.

[zealous patrol]

i never got a good copper ward for my scorch set

but ig i dont need it now

i got double scorching on my incineration and draco stride

unlikely they will get replaced in the set

my thunder pull/ proof/ counter got double windfall

i just need to replace the hp with thunder damage to change the set

[fierce light]

Yeah it takes quite a bit to set up

[zealous patrol]

im trying to get the new storm jade before doing paragon 10

it feels easier than paragon 9

no silence

no flying up wasting time

[zealous patrol]

im like the brokest among the showdown player i know

they had enough to do this to the new ice lotus jade

max jade after washing the scorching with normal substats

[twin ledge]

Oh my

[signal kite]

Those windfalls are not helping anything lol

[zealous patrol]

They will reroll the scorching

Every time u reroll a rare back into a normal stat it get a random amount

So u reroll until a max attribute appears

Then replace it with ice blast

Then do it for atk

[signal kite]

+999 iq move

[woven ingot]

I d rather have luck with recasting than with chests.
I already don’t have luck with chests to begin with anyway. But chests i can force things (pity and dupe protection), build I can’t do nothing but wait for the game to be bored of mocking me.

With 3500 fragments you re done with a build I still couldn’t complete since before the start of this season throwing 15k fragments at it i d think.
That’s the moment I feel the game needs to add pity and such on rares attribute. You can’t have such a discrepancy between two vastly different quantities of ressources invested. Rng is a thing, but it shouldn’t be possible to have such different results.
And I know you had some bad rolls, meaning some people must have had a better rolling.

[zinc viper]

Also I have actualy 3 Windfall 1 Moderation, what best setup ?? I want 3/3 or full Moderation best

[woven ingot]

For rolling for rares, let s say you get a rare with 150 fragment (sounds a decent averaging) that’s 300 fragments to make 2 flux shards to try one roll.
Failed my last needed jade for the 4th time. That’s 1200 fragments going to the void there. At around 600 fragments obtainable per week you got at least two weeks of play nullified there because the RNG doesn’t have any kind of control. That doesn’t feel great.
And that’s with having 4 flux shard a week. I usually got 2-3 of them most weeks.

[woven ingot]

Ideally you want 4 mod and 8 wf. In term of playing quality you want 3 mod first that’s a given. After that i d go for the 4 th moderation for smoothness. But the real answer is: rng will decide for you anyway. Just recast to get your rares and see what rng gives you ^^

[zinc viper]

3 Wind and 1 Mod so far, Oh my 5th got Scorch b4 I got off, is it valuable or I reroll it later ?

[woven ingot]

Depends, which build are you doing?

[zinc viper]

That my Toxic build

I guess scorch is for Thunder

[woven ingot]

For poison you don’t want scorch. So reroll it yes.

If your jade has high stats you reroll the scorching into windfall or moderation.

[zinc viper]

Thanks for advice

[zealous patrol]

Usually for bronze skin scorching it was 4 scorching 7 windfall optimally

And for ice and poison it was 4 moderation 8 windfall

For substats it was 1 parry heal on the 1 rare jade then all hp + atk on the rest

And for ice/poison it was atk and blast damage with boss damage bonus if not enough rare

[twin ledge]

Think poison might be better with 7 windfalls

[timid stirrup]

Yea don't b like me and do 7 wf. It's been said that 7 does better than 8

[unique lotus]

any 2 players could run 2x doom whit me so ive done for showdown main quest ?

[timid stirrup]

I'm at work n can't help rn

[steep patio]

I need potential for thunder lotus

[plain spire]

server?

[unique lotus]

eu mainly

[plain spire]

come to AS i could help 2x doom

[unique lotus]

im on as but whit an 250+ ping gonna be annoying abit

[plain spire]

what's your ID?

[unique lotus]

7749100110166

[fierce light]

Less annoying than Bough, but there's still the Metal Form. If he does it during your Ultimate, it can scuff your run.

[fierce light]

It's in the pins.

[fierce light]

It's very inefficient to have more than 2 rares on a single Souljade. Windfalls are essentially useless on that Jade as well.

[woven ingot]

I think he does it to recast them into maxed attributes.

[fierce light]

Ah

I guess if you're that flushed on Flux Shards that's an option

[woven ingot]

I wish I could relate.

[fierce light]

You'd still want to recast the first rare naturally.

[hearty rivet]

It's like when we roll 15 scorching before a windfall, just keeping the scorching on bc the other stats are awful too 🤔

[plain spire]

all that rares probably around 1200+ shards the reroll shard isn't included, sometimes you spend 120+ just to find that max normal attri.

[zealous patrol]

much easier

i did it with my dog sh ice jades

[hearty rivet]

oh manticore question: What kind of superhuman strategy/abilities or dark sorcery people use to kill Manticore in only about 2 or 3 minutes? 👀

[zealous patrol]

better jades

my jades suck

[fierce light]

Better Jades, less metal forms.

He wastes at least 10s per metal form.

[zealous patrol]

yes

[fierce light]

More if you fail to parry him

[zealous patrol]

he is damn easy to parry

and defuse

nothing special

paragon 9 was 10x harder

[hearty rivet]

This is true. Manticore even with his shenanigans was a comfort run after yama9

[zealous patrol]

yama 9 he fly up waste 10 years

this was my most devastated run before i beat it

the boss has like 3.15m hp

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Tomo leveled up!

[zealous patrol]

and i did 3.14 before time ran out

last hit

[woven ingot]

And not every Iron Skin attack patterns don’t have a blue finishing. Double grab doesn’t have one.
And some aren’t easy to catch. Like the eerie only double poison laser turn ending with a blue attack on the poison spheres around it. Not easy to get that close to parry the final blue attack.
And in any case all Iron Skin are terrible timing wise.

[zealous patrol]

for the poison square, even if u get hit out u can still dash parry it

u have enough time

[fierce light]

Not saying he's hard, just he can waste time.

Especially if you're Yueshan/Matari and you use your Ultimate, but he goes Metal.