👾┃showdown

[woven ingot]

Beside having to swap the Ghastbloom, you're better keeping the rest yes, if you feel like changing, or if one is better for a stage or mobbing.

[fickle linden]

sadly i have 2x mod on miasma drive so swapping venomous lotus to my poison build is annoying

would've made even better mobbing build

[bronze schooner]

Hello I'm new. just unlocked doom mode, is there a way to solo queue it?

[fierce light]

Have to turn off fill team

Gonna farm a new Ghastbloom from Suffer No Demon.

I got 2 Mod on Ice already at least

[fickle linden]

will they have same rewards in SFN as last time?

[woven ingot]

As they are releasing the change to poison, would be surprising they don't put the JAdes related to it in Suffer No Demon. Plus Ghastbloom is universal anyway. Pretty sure it will be on the reward list.

[fickle linden]

let's hope 🙏

but yeah i was thinking they might have both new builds as rewards if it's 2 week event again

[dusk plover]

Suffer no demon coming back too with the update?

[chrome agate]

Yeah stated in Patch notes

[fickle linden]

i have pretty good ice lotus jades from last event but hey if they are giving them out more, might get even better ones

[dusk plover]

Yay quick max fatigue again

[fierce light]

Ice and thunder jades coming from it

[fickle linden]

oh that's weird

i feel like poison & thunder would've made 10000x more sense

but i'm not complaining

[woven ingot]

Lucky as always heh? ^^

[fickle linden]

if i was lucky they would've made poison overpowered

[woven ingot]

Maybe. But still lucky 😛

At least you won't have to keep Fragments in inventory, and can finally use them.

[bronze schooner]

ty didnt go to well I do no dam

[woven ingot]

Dooms are tuned for trio, so mobs will have 3 times more hp roughtly. So it's not an easy thing to solo.

[fierce light]

Don't think the buff to Thunder Lotus is enough either

[bronze schooner]

ah yeah they were very tanky. damage taken felt the same though does that not scale for trios?

[fierce light]

Believe it does scale a bit. Enemy health is roughly 2.5x that of solo.

[woven ingot]

They got greatly increased hp, but their damage is only slightly higher.

Being 3 people don't give you more hp, so they can't highly buff the damage as people would die from everything.

[bronze schooner]

Makes sense

[granite marsh]

I would assume thunder builds would be better for characters who can't make use of ice mod since the lotuses charge themselves once it gets spinning

[hidden creek]

you would still want mod on thunder lotus for fast charge thundershock bar

so characters that couldn't make use of mod is still behind

they made abilities that deal damages too strong

[bronze schooner]

Is nightscream story supposed to be like 15x harder than hard mode

I went from being a monster to now needing like 10-15 min pr stage

[hidden creek]

it's supposed to be easy enough for you to clear with the stuffs you got from hard stages and previous nightscream stages

and it is

[woven ingot]

Just make sure your sense level isn't falling behind. That's what can make you have a hard time in NightScream.

[bronze schooner]

Nah I'm ahead by like 2. I just dont get enough souljades pr stage to be able to keep up

[woven ingot]

That's the thing. You need to mix some Nirriti inbetween, your sense level increases slower than the stages.

And if you feel like your damage isn't going well, some Niririti to get higher sense should do the trick.

[bronze schooner]

Just spam normal for levels?

[woven ingot]

Yep. Normal mode Nirriti to get jades that you feed to your main ones to level them.

[bronze schooner]

Do I have to upgrade in between every run so it keeps up in level?

[woven ingot]

That's up to you. Depends on what you feel like.

[cedar plank]

does anyone know what wuchens optimal dps rotation is? i thought i saw iat on darks website but havent been able to find it anywhere again

[hidden creek]

horizontal charge into aegis break

that's it

[cedar plank]

cool thanks tabbie

[hidden creek]

do note that for your aegis break to does full hits you need to maintain a certain distance from target

[fierce light]

It'll keep going up if you do or not between runs

[hearty rivet]

Haha, tried this with Hundun's air-phase

[rocky bay]

+1 nirriti ruins hard

[fierce light]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1juAQezEe1/?vd_source=e436bcf4333345077b464ebf0fc7cf19

New Thunder Lotus Souljade isn't looking so good for building Thunderpull faster. It mainly seems to just counteract the natural decay.

[steep patio]

Do you think this jade will be more useful for ice thunder lotus?

Mainly seeing it needs to counter to do its main damage

W thunder shock

[twin ledge]

Well that looks extremely bad won’t lie don’t see any difference in it than before

[lilac stag]

are these the nirriti ruins collections or something else?

[fierce light]

No, Ice build is pretty full at the moment. The new Frostbound Lotus can be slightly better than Sub-Zero Seal, but takes some effort for just a +5% increase in Attack.

[fierce light]

Yeah not sure if they tested these buffs that well. Seem like a lot of side grades.

[fierce light]

That's weapon skins

[lilac stag]

from the showdown store?

[hidden creek]

and showdown bp

[dusky cosmos]

what am i supposed to do when ominus hell scorch is lauching spirits at me? can't seem to counter them dont seem to dodge them

[hidden creek]

you could parry them, defuse them, dodge them

[dusky cosmos]

when i parry trhey just go thru me

[lilac stag]

parry timing is awful on them

you need to parry like 0,5 seconds before they hit you

their hitbox starts before they actually hit you

[hidden creek]

you can just hug him and spam parry

[lilac stag]

or that, true

[hidden creek]

once you got a succesful parry don't click anything

unless it's the eerie version, normal version you could parry all of them if you hit one parry, just don't move and don't do any other input after that

[dusky cosmos]

im doin the valda's abyss one wahtever that is

[hidden creek]

summary: they're parry-able

[fierce light]

Yeah they made it possible to chain parry them with no input so they're a lot easier to handle

https://youtu.be/QUf19UD57zo?si=m08ACi5ihtdGfNVc

[willow frost]

I wish matchmaking was easier for this mode

it's hard to get a party together

[fierce light]

Yeah definitely needs some work

[hidden creek]

the issue is not about the matchmaking

the issue is showdown is unappealing af

so we never got enough of players for the matchmaking to become decent

trios in showdown is not even trios

you play exactly like solo in trio

there's literally 0 teamwork

[willow frost]

I mean I think a bigger issue is that there is over a dozen things to queue for

[hidden creek]

not really

[willow frost]

I do enjoy some of Showdown's content, especially the bosses

[hidden creek]

main stages you just cleared once and never run them again

[willow frost]

and I want to play with people and have fun and make friends

[hidden creek]

then what's left is just nirriti and enigma for farming and yama/speedrun for ranking

[turbid agate]

you need help w anything ima be on for a bit longer?

[quaint girder]

There is, you need comms and premade

Otherwise it's like any soloq game. Your teammates are dogwater

[fierce light]

I just matchmake for dooms, everything else I do solo or with a team if they happen to be on.

[analog aspen]

Do you also queue for peak solo? I feel like the only server you could do that is sea

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Mysto leveled up!

[fierce light]

Only end-game I'd queue for Solo is Speedrun. I don't trust randoms to run Peak especially when a lot still don't know how to run Immovable/None Shall Pass.

[left hatch]

Does anyone want to play showdown hard?

[astral widget]

which server

[astral widget]

i want ;D

but im EU 😭

Someone want to play Doom all stars and eneimga trio? EU SERVER

[left hatch]

i think eu

[hidden creek]

lol no

comms for what

[quaint girder]

Coordinating burst phases lol

It's like raiding in FFXIV

[hidden creek]

''Coordinating burst phases'' you say

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[fierce light]

Don't like that the Aegis inflation is so crazy in the later levels of Yama's Abyss.

[woven ingot]

It's a long time now that I consider they got infinite Aegis. The bar is just .. decorative?

[hidden creek]

gotta keep a place for tscorch build ig

[woven ingot]

Maybe that's the reason. I'm more thinking they didn't bothered and just went "each next stage is +X% hp and +Y% Aegis from the previous stage". And they simply overdid the Y part of the equation.
But your reason is nicer let's say it that way.

[hidden creek]

i mean before it goes online they probably tested to make sure that it's clearable with existed builds, cuz it make no sense to make a stage that is unclearable
and it's also make sense that they made it only clearable with tscorch so this build is still needed, benefits both vets who got the build and also gives newbies something to farm for aside from current lotus meta builds

[woven ingot]

You being the nice/optimistic of the both of us, that's something frightening! 😂

I wish I was in the "something to farm aside from current lotus" part of the equation. Still waiting for it to be finished.

[fierce light]

Yeah glad this season is clearable with Elemental builds this time

Probably used the data from last season to calculate how much of a buff was needed

Not sure if they tested the upcoming jades that much though

[woven ingot]

Don't go breaking Tabbie's dreams you meanie!!
That's my job!

[fierce light]

Well from reading CN comments, they're saying Poison is specialized for mobbing. So guess they wanted to amplify that

[woven ingot]

Which would make sense with the way it works, and all the puddles.

Tscorch would be the boss one, and Ice the inbetween.

[fierce light]

Yeah ima just think of it that way. BiS for multiple enemies

Divine Thunder, idek what identity

[woven ingot]

Identity? "Not used" ? ^^

[hidden creek]

so that's why they make new poison jade make blossom blast does 3 attacks instead of 1

''specialized for mobbing'' huh, kinda dumb but whatever

more like because it got the lightest penalty so they won't make its dmg strong

but then you could negate the ice build penalty completely with a correct timing F/V so

[woven ingot]

3 blasts like for the Ice Jade?

[hidden creek]

yeah

well no

ice jade make 1 blast turned into 3
poison jade make 1 blast does 3 hits instead of 1

[fierce light]

Ziping on the team going to make Ice essentially have no penalty

[fierce light]

It's like Successive Ice Blast for Ghastbloom (Poison Root).

[woven ingot]

Now i'm in love.

Alright, so the same for Ghastbloom as the Ice is to elemental explosion.

[fierce light]

I do admit, mobbing with Ice build did feel noticeably weaker than Poison.

So definitely going to keep 1 of each build.

[hearty rivet]

I think it is the best thing to do, next season meta might go completely upside down and everyone will have to rely on stormstride sword and quick attack 🙃

[woven ingot]

I'm voting against that futur meta, it sounds terrible!
If it happens to be, you'll be held responsible Hime.

[fierce light]

That meta wasn't too bad. It helped to learn squeezing in more damage when possible.

[plain spire]

Im gonna waste my time building this since the new souljade for ice lotus isn't promising. 😅

[fierce light]

Unfortunate thing about Armored Artist is that it doesn't scale with Attack iirc. That plus it having a lengthy 5s cooldown makes it rather ineffective.

[plain spire]

Oh sad, i'm just curios how much dmg it can do with max armor attributes 😅 for some reason i really like this souljade. 🤣

[fierce light]

So it does scale with Damage Bonuses, but not Attack. Probably is affected by Sense Suppression as well. Still you could probably math that out.

Armored Artist
-# Deals 70% of Max Armor as damage.

Max Armor (2x Windfall) = 1200 [Base Armor] + 1120 [1120 Sense Level] + 200 * (2.0 * 6) [Max Attributes] + 250 [Guardian Souljade] = 4970 Armor

Basalt Armor seems to take around 50% of your Max Health and converts 75% of that to Armor. I don't think it's worth building Health attributes just for that reason though. +15% Health would be around +119.25 Armor (at Sense 1120). So that would be starting at around ~2.4% DPS increase for Armored Artist per Attribute.
Basalt Armor = 50% * 2120 [Base Health] * 75% = 795 Armor

I think you'd gain a lot more from going for Increase DMG to Boss since it'll apply to all of your damage rather than just Armored Artist.

So the ideal attribute set up for each Souljade would be:

• Armor +200
• Increase DMG to Boss +5%
• [Windfall] +50%
• [Windfall] +50%

That would put you at:
Armor = 4970 + 795 = 5765
Increase DMG to Boss = 5% * (2 * 6) = 60%

[misty bridge]

Would be a good idea to change 15 scorching for full dmg to bosses?

Ice lotus build btw

[twin ledge]

12 is max for scorching

[misty bridge]

So the other 3 are not applying?

[twin ledge]

No cause it won’t do anymore dmg than 12 scorching

[misty bridge]

Oh ok, so i'll change it then

But is it worth to change 12scorch for dmg to bosses?

[twin ledge]

What build is this

[misty bridge]

Ice lotus

[twin ledge]

How much ice dmg u got

[misty bridge]

Like 300 i think

[twin ledge]

What about attack

Attack and ice dmg is the stats u want

And 100% mod

[misty bridge]

Full 4%

[misty bridge]

I have them, all full

Nothing left to upgrade

[twin ledge]

Ok any un needed stats dmg to boss

[misty bridge]

I rather be searching windfall but i need redstones for that

[misty bridge]

What?

[twin ledge]

Any stats that isn’t needed turn into dmg to boss

Like the 3 extra scorching turn into dmg to boss

[hidden creek]

4 mod 8 wind, rest is attack and ice blast dmg

that's the finished build

[twin ledge]

That’s if they have the flux to add the windfalls

So if u got flux do that then

[hidden creek]

which is the only upgrade left if you maxed your stats

[misty bridge]

Oh ok ty

[pure plume]

R.I.P. trying to solo Manticore to get ghastbloom

[little grove]

which build should i use for yueshan guys ? poison or ice

[plain spire]

Ice Lotus

[grand summit]

LFG NA PlayStation showdown

[olive bay]

what’s the fastest way to get souljade fragments

[warped falcon]

Enigma topaz or peak with gold keys give more fragments

[fierce light]

https://v.douyin.com/i5L3tkRn/

Man Ziping looks fun.

[viscid wraith]

That razor swift is so satisfying! Valda could never 💔

[hidden creek]

it's uncancellable?

[spice canyon]

Valda has it's own enjoyment

[olive bay]

bruh of course i got scorching for my ice lotus 💔

[hearty rivet]

ohno you got the scorching curse 😭

[fierce light]

You can chain Defuses from it, from what I saw

[hidden creek]

that's nice then

mod zip gon be gud

[fierce light]

Looks like they designed her to work well with any element with that Razor Swift

Even does the 3rd attack at the end to proc Infectious Touch

They really did Valda dirty

[hidden creek]

valda and temmy rework soon

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fierce light]

The Toxin gain from Venomous Lotus seems pretty negligible as well, but think it will still be Ziping's best optional jade for Poison builds. Since she gives herself attack.

I'll have to find someone to test how much attack she gives her teammates. It's +20% for herself though.

[hearty rivet]

Matari got her rework so everything is 1000% possible!

[olive bay]

is it possible for a dropped souljade from a stage have rare attributes

[fierce light]

Yes.

[polar wedge]

Looking for a player to join gold 1 trios

[short meadow]

I can help

[polar wedge]

Username?

[short meadow]

3628200050168

[turbid agate]

dude, i hope so, i love using them but they do feel weak lol. And Yoto

[whole pebble]

is there a guide how to use properly Yueshan and his jade build for showdown? I noticed in AS alot is using him as main Damager. but when i use him (with Ice Lotus build) i can't seem to reach the same damage output others are doing.

[hidden creek]

do you have 100% mod on your ice lotus build?

[whole pebble]

yes. and windfalls.

[drifting lance]

🎉 | SkiLzDaTkiLz[AS] ID2110800120167 leveled up!

[hidden creek]

https://youtu.be/UeQwpTWb-lA
https://youtu.be/LOIqiwYwwpo

[whole pebble]

checking it now. thank you

[whole pebble]

ohhhh... so Yueshan has a different jade build.

[hidden creek]

wdym different

it's the same mod ice lotus build

[whole pebble]

my ice lotus build has the thunderpull/counter.

[hidden creek]

that's not ice lotus

[whole pebble]

no idea what that is. i copied that build here months ago.

then noticed several Yueshan users outdamaging me by far.

[hidden creek]

it's thunder ice lotus
aka ice-fire lotus aka 444

it does the same dmg if not a little bit more compare to classic mod ice lotus build

but the gameplay is troublesome

so people just settled with mod ice lotus after

if you got out damaged by classic ilm yueshan when you run this then you just played it wrong, not because of the build

[whole pebble]

thank you for the inputs and comments. i was thinking my ice-fire lotus was outdated when you mentioned that not the ice lotus. lol

[hidden creek]

but you should just go with classic ilm

[whole pebble]

will require me to do alot of recasting again but yeah, i can see why.

[hidden creek]

444 works best on yueshan, on other characters not so much, when classic ilm can be used by pretty much every heroes

plus the dmg is not even that much higher compare to ilm

almost identical

and the gameplay is so troublesome

[whole pebble]

yes, mostly when the thunder timing occurs during boss normal attacks. lol

so how is the poison lotus build? i was actually building that after i have min-max my 444.

should i still continue building it or it's useless now?

although technically im shifting my resources now on ilm build.

[hidden creek]

it's ok, lower single target dmg than ilm for sure, but great at mob clearing
also it's getting a buff tomorrow

[whole pebble]

wait let me login my account. just to make sure the jades i have is really the "poison lotus" build lol

[hidden creek]

i'd still say just go for ilm tho

[whole pebble]

give me a sec

is this the poison lotus build?

[hidden creek]

plm you replace miasma drive with arcane thunder

allow you to proc elemetal blast with less amount of weapon attacks

though with the new soul jade coming tomorrow idk if plm build gonna change

[whole pebble]

ahhh noted. i might as well wait for the new jades and pay attention here for the inputs of everyone.

[hidden creek]

yea just wait after patch

[whole pebble]

thank you for answering my inquiries @hidden creek 🍻

[hidden creek]

np, gl

[woven ingot]

Tabbie being all cute and nice! ❤️

[hidden creek]

wdym

i am cute and nice

[woven ingot]

Yep, that's what I said.

Did you missread a negation in my sentence? 😛

[hidden creek]

[woven ingot]

You really did read a negation, didn't you? 😂

[balmy violet]

hello guys i am kinda new in the showdown mode

need some help

i wanted to ask what to do if i dont meet the requierments for the soul jade

Do i go into the previous chapter and get souljades ? to upgrade it ?

[woven ingot]

Ah, you mean the requirement to do a mission?

To level your sense level, the easiest is to go to Nirriti in normal mode. You'll get lots of souljades that you'll feed to your main build to upgrade your sense level.

[balmy violet]

yes

[balmy violet]

okay thats uesful

another question how to know builds ?

[woven ingot]

In the pined section on that channel, you'll find all the builds.

[balmy violet]

i was searching on youtube and found 0 help

[balmy violet]

okay thx man so much

[woven ingot]

There isn't much things on youtube for Naraka Showdown. But for builds you'll find everything you need to know on Dark's website from the pins ^^

[signal kite]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-goku-angry-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-gif-17464345793826991838

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[fierce light]

This build gives you a faster accumulation rate and lower cooldown so you can use your ability more often. Allowing you to pull off more Ultimates than Ice-Thunder Lotus.

Ice-Thunder Lotus does perform better in certain situations though, like in cases where you can farm parries, or against multiple tanky enemies where you can charge Thunderpull faster.

[fierce light]

The new jade will be a side grade to Miasma Drive. It'll be better for mobbing, but slightly worse for single targets. Miasma Drive does have more theoretical DPS, however, Arcane Thunder is more practical for more aggressive bosses. I don't recommend PLM at all for Yueshan.

[fierce light]

Curious what this change entails. Since it's already pretty easy to cancel them

[hearty rivet]

Interesting, according to patch notes Ziping's skill+ultimate gives buffs but no heals? Or these will be on top of what the pvp version does? o.O

[fierce light]

Hmm sounds like they nerfed the Ultimate if that's really all it does now

Cause it provided protection against fatal blow and slight healing in Test Server

[hearty rivet]

Weird thing is that this is written after her catchprase "The new hero Ziping Yin has now joined Showdown! All who suffer shall by her hand be healed" ANd no healing is shown in the skill/ulti 😅

[signal kite]

[turbid agate]

Damn, read the patch notes and no other character is getting changed or buffs in showdown. Wack.

[round glacier]

Ziping will heal and grant accumulation

[dusk plover]

What’s plm? Poison lotus mod?

[round glacier]

Not bad I guess

[fierce light]

Yes

[fierce light]

Thunder Lotus got buffed, new Lotus Jades and Ziping is pretty much going to be a buff to whoever team she's on.

[dusk plover]

Gotcha didn’t know if you meant that or it meant the new poison jade

[turbid agate]

Oh yeah I know, don't get me wrong, looks like a good update and looking forward to Ziping. Was just hoping they would at least buff Valds since she also has a spear lol

[fierce light]

I guess this is their way of making them different despite using the same weapon

Despite Valda having an absolutely useless Hero Skill and Weapon Skill.

[turbid agate]

Yeah, just a small buff to her spear. Have the ult do more health and aegis damage. Changer her skill where she can "hold" to charge it and it buffs or changes it somehow would be cool

[fierce light]

Her Ultimate is in a decent spot, main downside being that it's only effective on Ice build since she can't activate Infectious Touch and Thunderpull hurts her during it. The DPS of the Heavy Spears is about on par with Yoto Hime's Ultimate, but slightly longer duration. Light Spears have extra utility in that they buff Aegis Damage of the entire team.

[analog aspen]

thats what you want to see from an elixir

[fierce light]

Just thought about it, they're likely to give the Hepta-Detach attack to Justina on Longsword

[fierce light]

Burning Elixirs during Suffer No Demon week?

[lusty prism]

I got godlike kurumi title, just want to know how did I achieve this so I’ll know who to use next time

[fierce light]

Top 10 in Speedrun

[lusty prism]

Thanks 🙏🏾

[neon brook]

when is she coming out btw, been tired waiting for her

[twin ledge]

Prob next season

[chrome seal]

I see what you coming from but wouldn't it be useless tho? Hepta dmg is so much lower than phoenix blast

[hidden creek]

also terribly long cast time, uncancellable animation and you can only cast it after a charged attack (at least that's how it is on pvp)

[fierce light]

Oh i must've been thinking about a different jade, thought it changed your Charged Attack

[woven ingot]

Maybe the new leaping one they added. But not sure it would be working in Showdown.

[hidden creek]

lol no

[tacit nest]

Update is today?

[lucid ore]

make this event permanent for showdown please, thank

[tacit nest]

Hell yeah

Hopefully it doesn’t have a problem with Xbox servers this time

Had to stay out almost a whole day last time

[fierce light]

Honestly would be nice. They could have the jades it drops change every week too.

Increase the Fatigue cost of Nirriti's Ruins and Enigma Domain while they're at it (higher fatigue = more rewards per run = more time respected).

[fierce light]

Yeah I wanna be able to test if they changed anything for the new jades or not. Also Ziping

[fierce light]

The update is already out in the store, so don't think it'll be an issue this time

[steep patio]

Someone @ when the update is done thanks

[fierce light]

Same

[tacit nest]

same plz

although ill prolly be on alr

[tacit nest]

wait what event you talking ab??

[fierce light]

Suffer No Demon

[steep patio]

Who’s ready to fill there fatigue up in 10 games 😋

[short meadow]

@fierce light @steep patio @tacit nest

Server open

[fierce light]

Nice, get to try Ziping a bit before dinner

83 to max

[plain spire]

only 15/30 fatigue on suffer no demon

[tacit nest]

suffer no demon is back?

perfect lol

whats the new jade???

[plain spire]

it's pretty fast run on suffer no demon unlike the last snd

[slender delta]

it's out already?

[fierce light]

Yeah not so bad even solo

[tacit nest]

i dont see venemous lotus in souljade choice??

[fierce light]

Choice only includes jades that were out before it released.

Don't stress Venomous Lotus though. It's a sidegrade to Miasma Drive, unless you're planning to be mobbing primarily.

[tacit nest]

so its not that good??

dannngggggg

they buff anything else for poison lotus??

[fierce light]

Nice she can chain defuses like Wuchen

[fierce light]

The lower your Attack, the worse it is compared to Miasma Drive. But it picks up when against multiple enemies basically.

Keep in mind Arcane Thunder is a downgrade in theoretical DPS to both Miasma Drive and Venomous Lotus, it's just that it allows you to proc it easier.

The challenge one is not so friendly to solo. Has Manticore in it as well.

2 Elixirs from the event. Wouldn't recommend using them till it's gone though

[plain spire]

After using skill you can directly perform razor swift without charging hope they do that to valda too.

[restive wraith]

I'm planning to switch to Arcane Thunder since my Miasma Drive have only 1 windfall which can be swap out, what's your thought? I mainly use matari + tessa

[fierce light]

Yeah, you can also dodge and cast it instantly

[fierce light]

For Matari, I'd say it's worth cause it gives you better uptime on her Flash buff (still a downgrade in DPS). Tessa it doesn't matter as much.

[plain spire]

drop pretty bad T_T

[fierce light]

There's icons showing people's element now

[fierce light]

Yeah I got a lot of catch up points from it last time (below the average expected drops). Don't mind it though since it's not so time consuming.

[tacit nest]

you can use her gold attk like 3 times if you hit it again

[fierce light]

Yeah it's an upgrade to Ne Zha's Might

Hmm, she's not able to do her Dragonslayer from her Defuse though unfortunately.

[tacit nest]

shes got two

her first kinda reminds me of ferias skill

second is cool cuz you can use up to 3 times and defuse with the vertical attk anytime during

[fierce light]

Yeah it's just Ne Zha's Might with more AoE pretty much. Can do that on Valda too, except she can do a Dragonslayer from her Defuse.

Queue's are popping for sure now

I think Poison is actually better than Ice for this Suffer No Demon. The Challenge version at least.

Got the new fancy Potential display now. This'll be handy for the guide.

[steep patio]

Use eilixer for suffer no demon or no?

[plain spire]

no

SFD becomes catch up points grind the drop is pretty bad only got 2 gold from 300 fatigue

[fierce light]

Use it on weeks where it's not here

It is a bit weird that it gives below average drops so often. Considering the quantity of Souljades.

But I guess it's cause it doesn't have the extra luck from Omens and Rune Keys.

[misty bridge]

Frostbound > Sub-Zero seal??

Maybe?

[fierce light]

Somewhat. You'll trade a worse start for 5% more Attack.

[misty bridge]

So maybe that 5% is worth or its a no no

[fierce light]

Yeah as long as you can upkeep those Lotus flowers

Ends up being around a 2.5% DPS increase from Sub-Zero Seal when it's active.

[misty bridge]

But is the lil lotuses that gives that bonus when hit

right?

[fierce light]

Poison is killer for this event. Probably even more so with Venomous Lotus.

[fierce light]

Yes, you'll have to hug your enemies.

Not so good for mobbing, especially when you have to constantly travel.

[misty bridge]

Well, mobbing it's easy when having F constantly available i think

[hidden creek]

weird
venomous lotus said it turn blossom blast from 1 to 3 attacks

doesn't mention anything about the damage

but it looks like it also increase the dmg of blossom blast
because the dmg it does with each hits multiple by 3 is higher than a single blossom blast

w/o venomous lotus equipped

[fierce light]

Thing is, your Tundra Might is disabled when it is disabled. So your accumulation rate will be lower than usual when trying to get it started

[fierce light]

Yes, it's a 40% increase (if they kept it the same as the test server). White Lotus gets ~22% increase from it.

[hidden creek]

huh

if so isn't it a core jade

[fierce light]

It's interchangeable with Miasma Drive. For mobbing, it'll be the new core, but bossing Miasma Drive will be competitive.

[hidden creek]

we don't even run miasma drive on plm

[misty bridge]

So for 5% is not worth for mobbing but for bossing its ok if you manage to get those lotuses hit

[hidden creek]

also why is it good for mobbing but on bosses not as good? it increase the blossom blast dmg it's always good no?

[misty bridge]

Bad start in exchange for 5% more attack if you manage to get lotus hits

[tacit nest]

poison cooks

[fierce light]

Blossom Blasts make up roughly 32% of your damage output against a single target at the most. 40% more to that is around a 12.8% DPS increase.

At max Attack, Miasma Drive is around a 13.9% DPS increase.

[hidden creek]

bruh the poison bar build up from venomous lotus is literally useless

it's so damn slow

[steep patio]

Dude I’m getting all blue jades from this

[hidden creek]

to the point that you already caused a toxin blast before it get to full

[fierce light]

Think it's mainly to discourage people using it on different element builds

Besides there being a damage decrease

[hidden creek]

ok so nothing changes for plm

lmao

should've seen it coming

[fierce light]

Pretty much solidified it's identity of being stronger at mobbing. But yeah wouldn't really call it a buff

Thunder at least got a damage multiplier increase

[hidden creek]

bruh like, just directly buff the dmg already

same story with the stupid drop rate

just increase it, problem solved

[plain spire]

you're not alone 😅 drop is pretty bad

[fierce light]

Only got two golds at 280 fatigue. Granted I used 75 before

[woeful monolith]

So are any of the new jades good enough for swapping something on a current build?

[hidden creek]

nope they're all shit

[fierce light]

Frostbound Lotus if you're sweating Ice Lotus.
Thunderous Lotus if you're some reason using Thunder Lotus build

I haven't tested TL though

[hidden creek]

it's not even worth it to replace sub zero seal with frostbound lotus

sub zero seal make it easy to maintain tundra might buff

[fierce light]

Very expensive change, for only 2.5% DPS increase

[hidden creek]

while frostbound lotus only increase your frostbite if the spinning lotus hit, and only for 5s

[fierce light]

Less than that when you include the bad start

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/its-all-shit-stan-marsh-south-park-s15e8-ass-burgers-gif-23108233

though it doesn't even matters because ilm is still the strongest

but for plm case

bro

these dumb devs

[fierce light]

If it buffed Blossom Blasts like Successive Ice Blast does Ice Blasts, it would've been worth

[tacit nest]

niceeeee

ima see if i can make use of it anyways

got one from the event with 29% blast damage

i think thunder got a big buff

[fierce light]

For heroes that make use of their Aegis-Break, Venomous Lotus is even worse. Matari for example it's only a 10% DPS increase.

[tacit nest]

seems pretty good for mobbing only rn

could make work in trios tho?

[fierce light]

Yeah it's only a buff to Poison's mobbing.

Thunder Lotus got an overall buff. Even without the new Jade it's stronger than before.

[hollow escarp]

is ziping yin the new support along with kurumi? and should she use poison or ice?

[fierce light]

She can use any build. Poison is better for mobbing, Ice for bossing. She does Support like Kurumi, but not as much healing

[hollow herald]

Is Focus Slide souljade only available in showdown?

[fierce light]

Nevermind, she does do a lot of healing

Whoa

[hidden creek]

the sj exists on pvp too

duo and trio mode

[tacit nest]

a FUCK ton

lmfao

shes gonna be a good character fs

[twin ledge]

Yea was about to say her healing is kinda broken just impossible to die with

[fierce light]

Damn that Tarka Trial is kinda busted in there

[tacit nest]

scorch build with copper would be busted

busted already but prolly even more

[twin ledge]

Idk

I would say tarka and Tessa still better on thunder burn

[flat pier]

@fierce light are there new builds with this update for poison and ice please?

[tacit nest]

ur right

[twin ledge]

This is because spear isn’t the best with parrys

[tacit nest]

shes gonna be better for the posion builds too, dying from poison if you dont proc

[twin ledge]

I swear if my auto correct changes what I type again Ima tweak out

Don’t think so

Ice still stronger and her ult buffs team

For mobs maybe

[tacit nest]

tryna be optimistic lmfao

🤞 😭

[twin ledge]

Nah I don’t wanna see my ziping on poison

[tacit nest]

too late

i use her gang

her gold attk does well for mobbing poison

[twin ledge]

Good luck with that then

[lucid ore]

can't cancel animation on zipping's dragonslayer?

nvm I guess you can, gotta jump

[fierce light]

Poison just has a new optional Souljade. It's a sidegrade from our current options.

Ice has a sidegrade as well. Slight buff if you can upkeep it, or nerf if you can't.

[flat pier]

oh thank you so much.

[plain spire]

wdym busted?

[hidden creek]

fireball spam

duh

[fierce light]

Shoot one cannon ball and it insta procs Poison Blast

Fireball spam on the bosses

Got one. Not bad either

[fierce light]

Holy 💩

[neon brook]

wait, they already told this? when? also are their no other showdown heroes before her?

[fierce light]

They just added Ziping Ying. They announced it last month.

[neon brook]

damn so ziping is already in showdown? must download the game rn

[plain spire]

Damn i love ziping in enigma no need to worry about freezing

spamming her skill without care for ice blast cooldown at all

[hollow escarp]

ziping with moder sound good then?

[hidden creek]

she doensn't benefits much from mod like other heavy damage F heroes but yeah

wait nvm

[hollow escarp]

poison windfall better then im guessing

[hidden creek]

her F also increase element accumulation rate

[hollow escarp]

yee

[hidden creek]

so yeah mod is a must

[hollow escarp]

for your atks and allies

[round glacier]

Pretty sure zippy is broken af

[hollow escarp]

share build with viper conviniently xD

if only valda spear moveset is just as good

[round glacier]

Yup

What a pitty lol

[hollow escarp]

notice how all the new ones dont have the defuse dodge anymore

[river stratus]

tessa poison is op on new event

[stoic rapids]

Total how many new jade guys?

[granite marsh]

Ziping was the only one I could clear paragon 9 with ilm so far, pretty easily too compared to my other attempts

The survivability is no joke\

[stoic rapids]

Oh it you, im 120ms 50 fps

[granite marsh]

Ayy wassup man

[stoic rapids]

How many new jade guys

I just know hve new jade but dont know how many

[granite marsh]

Should be 3

[stoic rapids]

For each element?.?

[granite marsh]

Yeah Thunderous Lotus, Frostbound Lotus & Venomous Lotus

[viscid wraith]

Hello! Is this worth keeping?

[twin ledge]

In my opinion I would get rid of but that’s up to u

[viscid wraith]

okay, thanks! I don't need it anyway

[restive wraith]

free half a flux

[fickle linden]

venomous lotus, frostbound lotus and what was the 3rd new jade?

[polar light]

Thunderous Loutus

[whole pebble]

what's better to farm between normal and challenge? both have the same drop rate and special item jades drop.

[woven ingot]

They should be equal in term of number of jades dropped per fatigue spent. So it’s down to how fast you do each mode.

[long ore]

hello anyone can bring me in Manticore's hunt nightscream
I tried to queue but no one is queuing

[plain spire]

Your server?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | ƒisher[SEA/AS] leveled up!

[long ore]

sea

[plain spire]

can you come in AS? im currently high ping in SEA

[long ore]

ok

[plain spire]

drop you ID number if you're in AS i'll invite you

[long ore]

1987900120168

[long ore]

thank you

[signal kite]

one max stat a day keeps depression away

[quaint girder]

Why is max stat good on a junk jade?

[timid stirrup]

thats actually nice. max, 87%, 75%

[cyan grove]

is that the new event loot?

[signal kite]

Idk lol it's max and that jade just new so got happy

[signal kite]

Yea0

[quaint girder]

Oh I thought there was some mechanic I didn't know about that benefits having max stats

[cyan grove]

Is it worth farming it over Nirriti or domain?

[fierce light]

Tessa has it, it just doesn't move you. Still has the other detriments though

[hollow escarp]

no i mean like the dodge backward like valda and viper

[cyan grove]

I'm talking about the new event

[hollow escarp]

where they leap back and the window for defuse is a flash

tessa kinda pose for defuse

[fierce light]

Yeah, Defuse Solve

If you use hers right when you're about to be hit, attacks will go through you.

It consumes stamina when you cast it.

Dodge canceling it will consume more stamina.

[hidden creek]

tessa kinda got a hybrid defuse

consume stamina, doesn't move your character backward, has long i-frame at the start and can chain defuse

traits from both defuse solve and defuse combo

[hollow escarp]

i kinda got defuse timing down since they made it mor forgiving but still hate those so much

[hearty rivet]

My thoughts about Eerie Bough's new abilities after facing him the 1st couple of times: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/638/553/929.jpg
😵‍💫

[warm pumice]

sa

[fierce light]

Yeah that attack where he does orbs above him is so bs. You have to get really lucky with your iframes

[hearty rivet]

Yeah my so far solution to that was to run away (without going too close to those hands) and try to defuse in time. But his regular orbs are super resilient too o_O
And he has some new orb things in P2 too? One when he runs away and drops a couple in his path and the big cartwheel thing

[shrewd basin]

Bruh

[fierce light]

I'd say that's a good thing since the stats are low.
Can recast it to a max stat, or discard it if you get a better one.

[grim girder]

Is Frostbound Lotus a superior substitution for Sub Zero Seal?

[fierce light]

The higher your Attack is, the less value it has, but over the course of a long fight, if you can keep it active, it'll be slightly better (~2.5% better at max attributes).

[grim girder]

I have perfected the rolls on Sub Zero seal recently and they already made it obsolute 😅

[near echo]

Can someone recommend me a good thunder build? I have the ice lotus meta and I wanted to make a second thunder build, but I don't know the best jades for

[fierce light]

Obsolete is a strong word. It'll be worse for mobbing or anything where you have large breaks in combat. Cause you'll have to deal with the reduced Attack and Accumulation when you start back.

[fickle linden]

what do you consider long fight? 🤔

[chrome seal]

Does windfall increase stats of other rare attributes?

[fickle linden]

no

[chrome seal]

Meh

Also is melee weapon dmg better than attack?
Cause first one is +5% while attack is just 4 max

[fierce light]

Well you'll essentially start with -35% Attack in comparison to Sub-Zero Seal. Max Attack puts you at around 99.5% (109.5% if you use Aroma Aura instead of Epiphany).

So your first rotation will deal -17.5% less DPS, while after that will deal +2.5% more DPS. So you'd need to do 8 rotations (Ice Blasts) to make up for it.

[fickle linden]

guess i could go with frostbound lotus for ice build then

since ill continue using poison build for mobbing anyway

[fierce light]

The less Attack you have, the more you have to lose in the first rotation, but more you gain after. It'll still be around 8 Ice Blasts till you make up for it though.

[woven ingot]

What's the timer for it to reset?
Because even with pure bossing, many bosses got mobility, jumps back etc. they do break contact. Plus you may break contact yourself to heal or reposition yourself.
If the reset timer is low, it may be terrible.

[fierce light]

Lotus Flowers last for 16s, but you have to hit the boss with it at least every 5s.

[woven ingot]

So defiitely a no-go for me. Too many cases where there will be a break of contact for 5 seconds.

[fierce light]

Well the main thing is watching the 16s cause doing any melee attack will pretty much reactivate it.

[fickle linden]

going back to nirriti after this event is gonna hurt my heart 💔

[cedar plank]

is using chain sweeping good on ziping? ive finished normal story and done 1 normal nitiri so idk wtf im doing lol

luckily i did the last suffer no demons and am doing this one so i have quite a few jades to make a build with

right now i am just using this, no idea how it works other than use my skill on cd and do damage lol

[fierce light]

Ziping is spin to win. Spam Razor Swift. Not worth doing anything else.

[cedar plank]

niceee even on single target? xD how should i start looking to build to help that the most?

[cedar plank]

also love your website dark ❤️

dayum razor swift is insane

[fierce light]

Yeah drops were pretty bad this time around

[severe compass]

how can I farm catch up potins quickly?

[fierce light]

Suffer No Demon

[fickle linden]

same here, like really bad compared to last event 👎

but i'm just happy to burn fatigue fast this time around

[hearty rivet]

how many times bough shoots from his vertical orbs? in P1? O.o;;

[dusky cosmos]

so is spear razor swift good then?

[dusky cosmos]

what if im playing valda?

[fierce light]

You can use either or. Ne Zha's Might is rather backloaded, so if you can't pull it off safely, Chained Sweeping is your next best bet.

[dusky cosmos]

thanks for the help, as always!

[timid stirrup]

is the range of zippy's skill/ult about the size of kurumi ult? as far as benefitting teammates goes

[tacit nest]

anyone know what the new paragon boss is

[fierce light]

Omnious Bough

[fierce light]

Doubt it's that small. I was getting it across the 2nd camps in Speedrun

[timid stirrup]

thats interesting

[quaint girder]

Rip my Erudition

[fierce light]

Valda could still use it, but Ziping has no need for an Element attack.

[quaint girder]

I like the different attack animation

I like how Erudition makes me look like a flopping fish

[subtle bramble]

Do we know by what margin if any is venomous lotus better than miasma drive for pl? or is it worse

Asking primarily for Zippy tbh

[fickle linden]

better for mobbing, worse for bossing according to @fierce light

[tacit nest]

i think its been found as worse tbh

which is a bummer

[subtle bramble]

got it thank youu

yeah i got the rare i wanted on a venomous lotus so fast

but guess imma just have to keep recasting the miasma jade

[fickle linden]

we need new poison buffs next week

[shrewd basin]

lol just spam tarka cannon in event and feel good

[past solstice]

her ult size is limitless

[cyan grove]

Is it worth farming the event over the regular farm?

[hearty rivet]

last time it was because it had the same droprate as nirriti and didn't consume your whole week

[cyan grove]

So it's not?

I can just go run domains till my fatigue reaches max?

[fierce light]

It's ~1.5% worse than Miasma Drive against a Single Target. But for every extra target past 1, it improves by 3.2%.

[quaint girder]

You can if you have the time

The main draw of Suffer No Demon is the time saved on grinding

Freeing you up to do other things

[cyan grove]

I see

I'll run 6 to 9 domains

then farm this

because I clear it in 28 seconds

with Viper and the toxic build

it's pretty fast and if I can win 1 purple/yellow jade per run

it's pretty nice

[hearty rivet]

I have no idea! This week I just did the weekly stuff so far and most of the time just kept bashed my head against stupid bough's stupid shovel hand and orbs 😅

[cyan grove]

fair enough

[woven ingot]

Hime got some masochist tendencies.

[hearty rivet]

Don't we all? :P

[woven ingot]

People going to Yama probably are yes.

[pearl raft]

@fierce light is the new jades good ?

ty

prefect answer

[fierce light]

Do note that the further your build is from being maxed, the worse Venomous Lotus is in comparison to Miasma Drive. Even for mobbing.

[pearl raft]

[chrome seal]

It says 100hero XP for clearing but am only getting 1point. Is it a bug or that it's supposed to be +100 for only first clear?

[fierce light]

Must be a bug

[fickle linden]

last event was only +1 xp too

[chrome seal]

I just randomly realized that

[fickle linden]

only 70 games more to lvl 2

[chrome seal]

Yeah I was like it doesn't make sense why wouldn't heros get XP with that lvl at first, then I thought well nvm maybe it does make sense. Until I just noticed that when clicking possible rewards

[fierce light]

Guess they didn't want people using it to level too fast

Still bad timing for to be on a new hero release.

[chrome seal]

Btw I was asking earlier
Is melee weapon dmg better than attack for stats?
First one maxes at 5% but attack is only 4

I'm curious cause I also wonder if it affects yueshans ult for example. Maybe his ult weapon isn't considered a "melee" weapon so attack is still better? What about other heros too tho?

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus Matari has probably the highest % of damage being Melee Damage. But even for her, it doesn't have much value. In particular check out the Base Attribute value for it in comparison to other stats. It's a good 4th option till you start getting Rare Attributes though.

[chrome seal]

Got it thanks man

I been saving up shards and got the ice lotus mod full build today and had a couple jades with both melee dmg and attack stats
Guess I'll keep attack and recast melee dmg into ice blast dmg then

Just need to max out the values now
Also thinking of making the thunder scorch build to just have it in the arsenal cause I got the lotus poison build with the rares too

[plain spire]

Just grind it at Yama,s each stage is 100 hero exp

[fierce light]

So I got around to testing Ziping's Kit:

Skill
-# Nature's Touch

• Increases Attack of the user by +20% for 12s.
• Increase Elemental Accumulation rate of the user by +30% for 12s.
• Provides a light anti-interruption shield to nearby teammates for 12s.

Ultimate
-# Saving Grace

• Increases the Elemental DMG Bonus of the user by +100%.
• Provides constant healing to the entire team while active, regardless of range.

I haven't tested the effect of the buffs on teammates since that'll prove a lot more difficult. Still, they're still pretty sizable buffs, essentially a free Solidification & Sub-Zero Seal + more.

[olive bay]

is ziping good rn

tried her out she seems pretty solid

[shrewd basin]

Any team comp with elements benefits from her

[olive bay]

oh

how about for solos

ziping or matari better (ice lotus build)

[shrewd basin]

Razor swift spin to win poison or frost

[plain spire]

She's pretty strong you can spam her skill if have 100% mod without waiting for the elemental blast cooldown.

[olive bay]

ok cool ty

[thorn narwhal]

Only 30% accumulation? It feels way more

[fierce light]

Matari is stronger. Ice-Yueshan and Ice-Matari are still the current King and Queen of Showdown. But Ice-Ziping is a close runner up.

[lilac stag]

Windfall: Add extra sub-attributes to this souljade +50%... what does this do? I got it on one souljade by rerolling, but I can't see any improvement or extras on my jade. the other attributes are all the same value still

[fierce light]

Well Razor Swift has such a high damage multiplier, that the only thing it won't proc is Divine Thunder (on enemies with Aegis) in one cast. It can fully charge Thunderpull, proc Poison Blast and Ice Blast.

[thorn narwhal]

Yeah it seems pretty overkill

[lilac stag]

oh so it doesnt show the imrpovement

thanks brev

[tacit nest]

anyone on to run thru doom wit me

[lilac stag]

im down

for doom @tacit nest

[tacit nest]

na??

@lilac stag

[lilac stag]

EU

[tacit nest]

u wanna switch

?

[lilac stag]

my ping is way too high on NA sadly

[tacit nest]

mine is on eu too lmfao

ur good bro i can wait till someone on na joins up

thanks for offering tho pimp

[lilac stag]

np man good luck

[hidden creek]

💀

[fierce light]

Dang you already got 2/5ths of what I had

[hidden creek]

your drop is even worse than this?

[fierce light]

Dunno, you're already ahead

Only got ~400 Fragments this week

[hidden creek]

oh well

[signal kite]

They should work on potentials man lightning potential is just too bad

[woven ingot]

Your luck is terrible.
I ended the first fourth of fatigue with 1800 catchup points. Drops were … let s say average. Clearly not good but not terrible. You re on something else concerning bad drops.

[hidden creek]

well not like it's anything new anyway

[bronze wharf]

It's that Max Speed ?

[signal kite]

They made thunder So boring T^T

[hidden creek]

haven't seen anyone try thunder lotus lol

probably everyone know it's just not good

[bronze wharf]

could be , i was testing and calculating about Lotus Thunder build . even that build give a full DPS can't compare with other builds . like a low tire build . it's just my calculating .

[hidden creek]

even if it's decent, if it couldn't out dps ice lotus then there's no reason to go for it

since ice lotus gameplay is much easier and people already invested in ice build

[bronze wharf]

yea , i saw after this update poison build will can be give a more dps among the elementals build .

[fierce light]

Pretty much equivalent to Lotus Orbit Lv. 1 in Nirriti's Ruins. Funny how Thunder is the strongest in there, but they made it so weak outside of it.

[bronze wharf]

truth

[fair smelt]

hello everyone, what is meant with elemental burst ?

[fierce light]

Ice Blast, Divine Thunder or Poison Blast.

[fair smelt]

where do i see my elemental meter and the enemy ones ?

[fierce light]

Yours will show at the bottom-left, but it's hidden on enemies.

[round glacier]

New jades worth it so far?

[fickle linden]

"buffs" were sucha letdown after weeks of waiting

[hidden creek]

@fierce light is the ziping F element accumulation buff enough for a poison lotus teammate to proc poison blast with 1F and 1 charge attack on bosses w/o the need of equipping arcane thunder?

[fierce light]

The effect is reduced for teammates. By how much, I don't know at the moment, but Arcane Thunder would still be needed since it's just equivalent to equipping Solidification at the most.

[lucid ore]

Wow this is disappointing

[spice canyon]

matari poison performs good with zipping

[fierce light]

Probably brings her down from Flash + x5 Dancing Leaves to Flash + x4 Dancing Leaves. Saves you from having to do an extra dash to proc Poison Blast.

Wouldn't be much point running Arcane Thunder with Ziping on Matari's team.

[astral widget]

who want play new speedrun?

[tacit nest]

anyone na tryna play paragon 9?

i got poison build almost maxed for omens

[cyan grove]

Looking for 2 players to run som domains, I'll use 9 gold keys and an Elixir

EU servers

[turbid agate]

Your in paragon 9 already, damn. 💀

[tacit nest]

I’ve had help

Shits not easy fs

[hearty rivet]

Paragon 9 does not spark joy 😔

[twin ledge]

Oh wait nvm

Don’t mind the reply my bad

[fierce light]

Not liking that all of these new bosses have some form of artificial iframes.

[woven ingot]

You're all so NOT motivating me to see Para 9 😂

[fierce light]

Whether it's going underwater for Omnious Void, Flying in the air for Omnious Bough or Metal Form for Manticore.

[hearty rivet]

Ask Migosha about perma-ironskin manticore 😅

[woven ingot]

Manticore being the worst. The Iron Skin lasting for like 20 sec.

Yeah ... that ...

[turbid agate]

I somehow made it to paragon 7. Idk how tbh

[woven ingot]

I swear they coded it to trigger Iron Skin the second you use your ult. And mainly if you're Yueshan ^^'

[fierce light]

Thankfully Manticore won't have any annoying omens to pair with it

[turbid agate]

Is vinemire( how ever u spell it) a wierd fight for anyone? Everytime I fight him, it seems my parries and defuses only work 50/50

[fierce light]

But still highly annoying as that'll greatly affect the speed of a run

[limpid pecan]

i wonder if paragon 10 is last stage?

[turbid agate]

And his fight feels laggy

[woven ingot]

As Manticore Iron Skin perfectly counters Yueshan ult, being as long as his, it's a terrible feeling.

[woven ingot]

Vinemire's movement are a bit weird. The timing isn't exactly what the animation should be.

[hearty rivet]

But yeah, Bough alternating between fly-away hand thing and spinning around in P1 then running all around in p2... And when he stops he chain-summons orbs as a way of saying eff me 😩

[fierce light]

Like why is your big ah running away from little ol me

[tacit nest]

Ong

Shi gets annoying

[hearty rivet]

I've been wondering about this 3 months of yama10 o.O

(or in my case headbashing against bough 😓 )

[fierce light]

We'll see next week

[tacit nest]

I got bough pretty low then he did his ultimate SUCK where it pulls you in and incinerates u

[fierce light]

Seeing how the scaling ramped up for Paragon 8+, it probably is the last stage.

[fierce light]

He usually only does that if you're too far away

But it's an issue when he flies across the map

[tacit nest]

That’s exactly what happened lmfao

Did his spin fly hallway across the map then instantly sucked me

[queen torrent]

What’s the best lotus soul jades to use

[fierce light]

Ice Lotus

[uncut quail]

Guys which hero is best to invest in showdown?

[twin ledge]

More than one I would say best

[fierce light]

Yueshan, Matari and Ziping are at the top right now. But they require heavy investment into a build to really shine.

Wuchen, Ziping and Kurumi are probably the best for starting out

[twin ledge]

Don’t leave tarka out if ur using thunder burn

[uncut quail]

Any guide for a ziping build?

[tacit nest]

I’ve seen that one can evade an attack?

Not defuse or counter

But like a smooth dodge/evade

Can someone tell me how that happens?

[fierce light]

Horizontal attacks can be crouched under if that's wym

[queen torrent]

Any up to team up I need help with trios showdown the morus isle, night scream and enigma domain plz if any has spare time 🙏

[tacit nest]

It might be

Idk

[analog aspen]

is there still any use for these things?

[woven ingot]

Not anymore, event is finished.

[warped falcon]

Does anyone know if there will be more levels to Yama this season

[woven ingot]

No one knows for now, they didn't said anything afaik.

[warped falcon]

All right tysm

[warped falcon]

You can deconstruct this later on and maybe you can get silk out of it

[woven ingot]

usually Tae, but you'll sell them yes.
It's surprising you got so many of them.

[analog aspen]

I really don't know why they gave so many of them

I only used them for leveling tickets

but maybe there was a different purpose

[fickle linden]

don't know how you got so many left

i used all mine on upgrading tickets to max every week

got maybe 100 or something like that left in inventory

[woven ingot]

You should have 200 something left yes. Unless you didn't maxed every ticket or simply forgot to use them.

[analog aspen]

I think I got a lot from the event on fairyland penglai

do you have more upgrades?

[woven ingot]

You reached the last step, so that's all fine.

[fickle linden]

you missed 40 upgrades

[woven ingot]

I missed one. You missed a few.

[analog aspen]

I guess I didn't pay enough attention then

but it's whatever

[woven ingot]

You got the 160 treshold, so nothing too bad.

[fickle linden]

i had 150 coins left, never took them as reward from penglai

[analog aspen]

I always took them becauuse I feel like tae is so useless

Or at least I have never found anything interesting to buy with it

[woven ingot]

They must have failed the event drop %. Over the last 20 runs (100% treshold), 2 times a gold SJ, 3-4 times nothing. Every run being 1 epic SJ. It's clearly not reaching the advertised 5% rare, 15% epic.
If it was only me, my usual bad luck i'd say. But pretty much everyone is having the same results :/

[fickle linden]

immortal chests about only thing i use tae for

[analog aspen]

yes, I'm also pretty sure they messed something up

[fierce light]

Yeah the average drops were quite worse. Got way more Catch Up Points then I did last time around.

7415 last time, 10320 this time. ~40% more.

[woven ingot]

8 Jades dropped per run.
15% for epic, means 1.4 epic per run. So one epic every run is more or less what's expected. Even if a bit under the average.
5% for rare, should be one rare every 2.5 runs. I'm clearly not having that at the moment.

[fickle linden]

guess it's back to peak for first 600 fatigue again next week

[woven ingot]

Yep, need more Peak!! 😛

Got things to test. Aka Ziping.

[fierce light]

Trouble is finding people to run it with

[woven ingot]

Clearly yes. If you don't have people you know you can run it with, it's quite terrible.
Trying with randoms means a very long queue time, and chances are that you won't finish it.

Plus you can't know if people are going to use gold keys or not.

[urban quiver]

Guys is Nightscream really this boring? I have the recommended sense level of 810 for the first level.
But before this in hard and normal the most common enemies like skelleton archers were 1 charge or 2 away from dying. Now with a pretty decent Build enemies take around 12 charge attacks to die?

So is basically nightscream everything the same but common enemies just take ages to die?
I don't mind it on bosses. But like normal enemies will forever take 10+ charged attacks?

[fierce light]

The quality of Souljades improves significantly at the Nightscream level, so the enemy power level is adjusted accordingly.

[urban quiver]

Because now it usually drops golden?

Just beat the first stage...It just so time consuming.

Its not like it got harder

I wouldnt say that

just more time consuming.

[fierce light]

More so the effects of the golden jades. But also yeah the drop rate of golds is better. I wouldn't recommend doing Nightscream missions right at their sense level though.

[shrewd basin]

So what’s the Zip setup rn jade wise

Is the event loadout any good?

[olive bay]

yeah

[fierce light]

Pretty much for all heroes right now:
Bossing
Ice Lotus > Poison Lotus > Thunder Lotus
Mobbing
Poison Lotus > Ice Lotus > Thunder Lotus

[olive bay]

does playing challenge vs normal mode for the new event affect drop chances at all

it looks like its the same

[fierce light]

If Challenge mode takes you more than twice as long to finish Normal, then just run Normal. Only difference is the fatigue consumed.

[olive bay]

ok cool ty

[shrewd basin]

If have a hard time defusing freeze is it worth it to run cinder frost?

[fierce light]

They all have a cost for running. Cinderfrost is probably the lowest dps option.

[lilac stag]

can someone tell me how to clear paragon 3? two bosses is just overkill lol

defuse/parry is almost impossible because one always attacks when I could counterattack the other. so im losing damage to dodge, but also get very little opportunities to do damage in between dodging

surely there's a strategy behind it that i'm just too blind to see atm

[hidden creek]

the strategy is being good

[hidden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[shrewd basin]

That gonna be a lot of tae XD

[twin ledge]

bruh same

[shrewd basin]

Or absolutely nothing

[twin ledge]

and i used all mine

[shrewd basin]

Same

[twin ledge]

and still have this many

[lilac stag]

sometimes it's just better to not comment, rather than commenting something stupid lmao

[hidden creek]

imagine calling me stupid when i cleared paragon 3 first try while you stuck

if you can't get pass paragon 3 because of 2 bosses fked you up not because of you lacking damage then you just got skill issue

git gud

[shrewd basin]

I cant even compete at that tier cuz I don’t have the frames to defuse Dodge some bosses attacks

[hidden creek]

wdym you don't have enough frames

[twin ledge]

Most players are like this tbh u just have to get use to it

[fierce light]

You can focus Omnious Rock. When he uses his ultimate attack, it'll despawn the 2nd boss.

[shrewd basin]

Console lag

[lilac stag]

didn't know that lol, made the whole thing easy, thanks o/

[hidden creek]

there's plenty of console player cleared up to paragon 9

so the fps isn't really the issue
it make it harder compare to having high fps yes but the point is it's possible

[shrewd basin]

Are they playing on a monitor or a 65” tv?

I’m not even trying to complain I’m not that worried about it

[hidden creek]

it's fine if you complain, why not

that's not the point

[twin ledge]

tbh game just doesnt run well i can run up to 400 fps and its drops extremely low on certian maps

[hidden creek]

the point is you're saying you're unable to compete on paragon 3 level because your console fps doesn't allows you and that's not true

[shrewd basin]

lol I’m still on emp

XD

Not even para

[shrewd basin]

So technically I’m still right I can’t compete yet

[brave pagoda]

new to showdown playing for Zip update

is there certain jades I should be running or use whatever

[plain spire]

SJ builds and meta builds check pinned messages

[brave pagoda]

ty !

[jade trellis]

i'm new to the game is there any build i should aim for i checked the pinned comment and it shows many builds i don't know which one is good coz in the pinned messages top one is thunder scorch but i see no one is taking about it im a bit confused

[round glacier]

Ice probably best to focus on

Suffer no demon drops all key badges

Best chance to get the jades

AlsO to level uP

[woven ingot]

Check the event page to see the number of upgrades done. If you reached 200 you re good. Even if you did something weird to have so many coins.

[hidden creek]

yeah i capped

actually normal to got that amount of coins if you do the quests everyday

and be unlucky when opening that daily chest

lol

[stone leaf]

Hi guys! (And Zer0!) Are the devs changed Souljade equipping rules from only one hero at a time to any more heroes lately? (this makes things tremendously easier btw)

[stone leaf]

Sorry if it's a dumb question...

[hidden creek]

it has been like that for at least a year already

[chrome seal]

They don't automatically appear on other heros like general potential tree
But you can just equip those jades on every other hero

[stone leaf]

Yeah, but I mean, were they changed it? I remember you couldn't add one souljade to multiple heroes before, am I right? And I was surpised, that now i can

[woven ingot]

You probably choose those coins over Tae as rewards from the event in Penglai. Which is the end does a fair amount of them.

[stone leaf]

that makes sense, i got back at this game after a long time, thanks

[hidden creek]

yeah i got too much tae so i didn't choose it

[woven ingot]

Makes sense. I'm not that rich so I took them.

[bronze wharf]

why always teleport to the players in this week speedrun ?
Always !

[fickle linden]

they like you so much they wanna be with you

[astral widget]

Someone want Play speed run?

[bronze wharf]

no i really piss that players except new speedrun players .

[fickle linden]

there is chat in game you need to teach them

so they know for next time

[bronze wharf]

sorry i don't mercy in speedrun .

[fierce light]

I don't recall Souljades being limited to one hero. The only things like that were the weapon specific and Ultimate specific jades.

[fierce light]

Lot of players don't understand the desert maps. From teleporting in Desert Tribulations, to building pendulums in Immovable to not knowing how to avoid grabs in Toppled Mountains.

They mainly added the teleporting option to make soloing that map not so bad, but they should realize it's slower cause you have to kill the hammer ent guardian.

[fickle linden]

atleast even if people teleport you still get 3 stars

pendulums can really ruin the run

if you want to try for top speedrun rank i don't think you should go with random people

[amber terrace]

anyone can help me pass paragon 9 sea?

[woven ingot]

To represent 99% of the player base, I don't even know what you're talking about ^^
Beside the pendulum, that I know not to build. And keep one person on each lane, even if it's deadly boring if you're not the one guarding the middle.
Teleporting? Hmm yes of course I use that, I always get spawned at the place in the deep of a mine. After doing my pack of course I use the teleporter, else i'm going to stay lost there and watch a movie while my team do the whole map ^^'
Grabs in toppled mountains? I don't even remember anything about grabs?

Most of us do those maps once every 1-2 months, we got no way to learn the tricks. And as it's only for Dooms it's not like it's a big deal, they end being 3 stared in 2-3 min even if done poorly. And then we forget they exist for the next 1-2 months.

[fickle linden]

rock grab

if toppled mountains was rock

[woven ingot]

I know you can deny his ultimate by climbing up a rock, but in the end it's more a hasle than just dodging so I stay on the ground. If it's about the triple grab he does during the normal fight sequence, then i'd like to know the trick. I simply tend to not face him if i'm not his target and that does the job ^^

[fickle linden]

if it was daily thing it would annoy me too but like migosha said it's only 1 or 2 more minute for doom level that you have to do once a month or so

people leveling their musket in suffer no demon is more annoying to me

[woven ingot]

Ahah. I get that. I don't care much, the annoying part for me is those who make you wait the whole 1 min of the timer for choosing a hero.

[fickle linden]

that and just loading screens in general lol

[woven ingot]

It makes the run twice longer just because of that. I don't care that much if they afk the whole fight, but click that start button ^^'

[fickle linden]

i was just thinking how much more nice nirriti would be without all the loading screens

[woven ingot]

Loading screens? You mean between stages?

[fickle linden]

yeah and between restarting runs and choosing hero again and again

if you could just restart it after you clear it like yamas abyss when you restart the run instantly without going back to lobby

[woven ingot]

Well it's a bit long, but nothing much you can do, you need to have a hero selection screen. Could just be instant after you select your hero in solo, instead of waiting 10 sec.

Ah I get your point, yeah that would be awesome. A restart with same setup to be instant in stage 1 after cleaning. That would be a great added functionality.

[fickle linden]

i wonder if it would possible to add that into game for nirriti ruins

[fierce light]

Desert Tribulations

• Ideally everyone meets in the middle after clearing their side. If someone finishes early, then you go try to help the one that didn't. If someone teleports, however, then that lane will not only have to clear their side, but also clear the single Hammer Ent guardian to open the side that wasn't cleared and clear that side. It nearly doubles the time it takes to finish the lane clearing phase, even worse if all teleport to one lane.
• • It's similar to None Shall Pass, you don't want more than one person in one lane as it'll slow down the run significantly.

Immovable

• Building pendulums will get some mobs stuck to the walls and knock some into entirely different lanes. So it makes it much harder to clear them in bulk cause you will have to manually search through the map instead of just clearing the waves normally. Demon Bells are a much better investment as it stuns them in place.

Toppled Mountains

• Omnious Rock has many grab attacks in his arms phases. One of them he only uses if someone is too far away, he has his combo grabs that changes depending on if he's in 2nd phase or 4th phase and his ultimate attack after he does his 3 ground pounds. The more people he grabs at once, the more damage his slam will do, often one shotting if 2 or more are grabbed.

[woven ingot]

Nice, thanks for the explanations.
So i'll have to learn the way out of that mine in Desert Tribulation. I already get a hard time finding where the pack of mob is, finding the way out is going to be epic. But noted ^^
I see for Rock's grab. As there is always someone close I may have never seen the special long distance grab.

[fierce light]

You only have to kill the mobs around the chests marked on the map similar to the other Stronghold missions.

[woven ingot]

But once you're done? You have to find an exit or something don't you?

[fierce light]

The exit is usually right next to the last chest

So you just clear the first chest, then 2nd, then meet in middle. Or go to help whoever is not done yet.

[woven ingot]

Alright, I'll keep that in mind for the next time.
Sorry in advance for my teammates when I'll be lost 😂
Or ... the game could put in another lane for once, that would work too.

[hearty rivet]

I'm sure it depends on your number in the team

[woven ingot]

Yep but there are 3 lanes you can be put in. Meaning I could get something else than always the same one ^^
Ah you mean if you're player 1, 2 or 3? i though about that too. So next time you do the invitations, and we'll see if you're the one getting the mines ^^

[astral widget]

who want play speedrun? EU SERVER

[hearty rivet]

Okay!

[astral widget]

and new event can be done solo?

[fickle linden]

yes

[astral widget]

ty ;D

[fickle linden]

but it took like 1-3 sec to find party of randoms for it

during first few days

[astral widget]

oaky ty ;D

i will try found someone

if not i go solo

[hearty rivet]

offtopic but this reminds me of Zippy's aegis break: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWoyMgcWUAAuB7t?format=jpg&name=large 🫣

[fickle linden]

normal is same time solo or trio, but challenge was faster for me with party than solo

[woven ingot]

You'll find a party in less than 5-10 sec. Advanced mode (challenge) in solo isn't that easy, going in random trio is wayyy easier. Even if your teammates does pretty nothing, the fact that you aren't the only target helps a lot.

[woven ingot]

I got to agree on that one.
Pretty much everything is awesome with her. Except the Aegis break/defuse attack. Drill looks nice visually, but ... everytime the target seems to be looking at me "did you did something? I just checked my hp bar and seems like you were just posing, right?"

[hearty rivet]

Oh wasn't criticizing the performance (especially since I haven't played her too much yet) just had a funny/weird thought about the animation 😅

[bronze wharf]

bro skip the mobs and go directly to the chest box and kill , it's easy way .

[cyan grove]

I have a question, if I have 1 red stat on a jade, and I use a flux to get the second one (since we can't get a second one by rerolling), if the flux doesn't give me the red stat I want, can I reroll the rare stat to get a different one, or I'll have to use a seconde flux to get something different?

[fickle linden]

you can't reroll 2nd rare into another rare

you can roll it into max value normal stat

then you can use another flux jade to roll your worst value stat into 2nd rare again

[woven ingot]

Got to check if Dark already did the numbers in the spreadsheet, but her Aegis break / defuse attack seem very low in damage.
So it's exactly as the cartoon shows, looks great, but doesn't seem to do much ^^

[woven ingot]

I do go directly to the chest, when I finally manage to find it that is 😂

[cyan grove]

yeah but in that case, I don't need a different max value, the jade has windfall, max health and maw atk, I just needed 1 different rare attribute

[fickle linden]

ouch, then just pick any normal stat and use another jade flux for it

[cyan grove]

Wouldn't it be more worth to use it on the rare attribute I don't need? It'll be 1/2 chances to get what I need

[woven ingot]

In your case (1 rare you want and the 2 normal maxed) you'll need to flux the last attribute into the one you want yes.
And sadfully it's not 1/2 chance but 1/3, you can roll the rare you already have.

[fickle linden]

yes i meant you can reroll 2nd rare into whatever normal stat and then use another flux jade to that - but you can just use ur flux jade on your useless rare attribute, ignoring all that 🤣

i just always have rerolled my rare stats into max value stats so somehow my brain thinks you need to always recast it into normal stat before using flux jade again

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-empty-head-moron-spongebob-gif-11976325420190756370

do not use it to recast your max value health, you are right 🤣

[cyan grove]

WHAT?? I thought I couldn’t get the same

I hate this game tbh

[thorn narwhal]

@fierce light what was the max ice blast and attack for ice ?

[fierce light]

375% on display, 420% in-game.
-# Assuming you go for x4 [Moderation] & x8 [Windfall]

[thorn narwhal]

ah alright, i remember you saying 420% before which got me confused

[woven ingot]

@fierce light you were fast to do Ziping's stats in the spreadsheet.
Taking a look at it, her defuse attack is to avoid at all cost, even a basic attack does better.
Her Aegis Break with AR is very high tho.
So for when you couldn't pass your skill > Dragon+Nezha correctly, what would be the best? Redoing a Dragon+Nezha from scratch (charging it) or going for Charged H > Aegis Break?
At a glance the dps seems to be pretty equal. But in 10 sec you'll have done the exact maths ^^'

[fierce light]

The Aegis-Break is rather dangerous to use since you can't cancel out of it. While Razor Swift can be with a Defuse at any point (except the final Horizontal). That plus Razor Swift does a lot more accumulation.

[bronze schooner]

How do I get Moderation and windfall? I've never used recast before. is it just spam until I get it? or do I need to use and item

[woven ingot]

Yeah that's the danger of Aegis break, you're stuck in the animation.
DragonSlayer can't be used to defuse but you can dodge out of it if needed. And then you're in RazorSwift where you can defuse at will.

But one charged + AB is quite quick if you only miss a bit to proc an elemental explosion and get your skill back.

[fierce light]

Yeah i mainly use it if I'm on Poison to activate Infectious Touch quicker

[woven ingot]

Makes sense. But number wise both solutions are pretty much the same right?

[bronze schooner]

just did 40 recasts or something and didnt get. dont know if I need to hit the guarantee or need another item

[woven ingot]

Just RNG. 40 recast isn't much to get a rare

[fierce light]

Going for Razor Swift generally is worth it whenever you can. Getting at least the first two hits off will make it do more dps than going for Charged H + Aegis-Break

[bronze schooner]

aight ty was just a bit confused

[fierce light]

Usually takes around 80-100 recasts for a rare to appear

[woven ingot]

Alright, thanks.
So Razor most time, and charged + AB if I know I only need a little bit to proc an elemental blast.

[fierce light]

Important to note that Martial Skills are usually the least efficient way to build elements due to their low base multiplier

[thorn narwhal]

btw the max for attack is?

[thorn narwhal]

there's a cap at 150 likely, where the chance is 100%, and you can't get 2nd rare by racsting if the jade already has one

[hushed meadow]

Sooo...thoughts on Zip in Showdown versus Valda since they both use spear..?

I'm finding Zip to be a better pick out of the 2

[fickle linden]

ziping destroys valda

[hushed meadow]

Yeah I thought so LOL

[fierce light]

419 should be the max in the display.

[fierce light]

Razor Swift greatly increases Ziping's DPS over Valda's. The only advantage Valda has is that she can go to Dragonslayer from her Defuse.

[rotund frigate]

which is more important for ice build: to not get frozen via souljades(yushan shadows or cinderfrost) or to get maximum damage(frozen blast, sub-zero seal or frostbound lotus)? and what combination of them would be the best?

[woven ingot]

Not being frozen comes from you using your skill/ultimate at the right time to deny it. So you usually go for damage ones.
You got all the builds in the pinned section.

[rotund frigate]

ty. is the addition of frostbound lotus worth replacing the optional?

[woven ingot]

that's the most common setup.