👾┃showdown

[hidden creek]

bruh

[restive wraith]

one first stat and 3 second stats

[naive pelican]

sorry guys

how u can see the max stats?

[hidden creek]

mouse over the soul jade, press alt

[naive pelican]

really? xD

[restive wraith]

yup!

that one is important since when you recast attribute the percentage carry over

[naive pelican]

i'm not smart than. I didn't know

[restive wraith]

so high base % souljade = good

[naive pelican]

i didn't play a lot in showdown

i did it only for quest

[restive wraith]

hey showdown have its own fun, different from normals so why not

[naive pelican]

maybe i'm a M

if i don't die easy a lot of time against people i'm not happy

and it's funny when u win against other people and someone kill you from behind xD

[sour wedge]

oh really?

[restive wraith]

yea it is for example 2/4 -> 2.5/5

it carry over the %

[sour wedge]

basically the % of the max value for that stat, got it

[restive wraith]

yup!

[sour wedge]

that'll be super useful as I work on my poison mod build today

[icy sundial]

what does speed run give ?

[hidden creek]

read its description

[woven ingot]

By itself, not much.
It gives stars according to your time done, for the weekly star rewards, but you'll have the 9 stars needed from the normal Doom modes usually.
You get one legendary soul jade the next week if you did your speedrun.

[plucky stone]

Having to wait over a day is wild.

[woven ingot]

And there is a season challenge for doing Speedruns on several weeks, that's the part you may want the most.

[signal kite]

Compensation should greater in value

[tacit nest]

i was gonna say

they said theyd compensate us'

[hidden creek]

800 silk take it or leave it

[tacit nest]

💀

[signal kite]

Fr fr

[hidden creek]

[woven ingot]

I missed the information, we got a new hero coming on the 21st? Lannie.

[signal kite]

I would've been happy with 350 silks but 800 hell yea

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-social-credit-score-credit-score-score-china-gif-23125701

[hidden creek]

don't think we got the date yet, they just said late jan

but i'm assuming she'll be here same time with new year lantern

[tacit nest]

to showdown?

[hidden creek]

which is ~13 days

[woven ingot]

You got it from Clouds of Wonders event. Same as it was for Cyra. The special rewards Lannie exclusives are locked on the 21st.

[woven ingot]

Nah she won't be showdown. Afaik they always release for PvP and way later they may add it into PvE.

[hidden creek]

that's... strange

oh nvm

13 more days til lantern open then it's 23 lmao

damn i'm bad at math

yep new lantern extreme outfit gonna be lannie's for sure

[woven ingot]

She'll be probably released there. 22-23rd.

[shrewd basin]

Add a couple more 0s and I’ll be satisfied

[hidden creek]

sure, how many more 0 you like? is 5 good enough?

[shrewd basin]

8000 a could reroll of a start skin sound good XD

[hidden creek]

00000800 there u go

[shrewd basin]

Bet

[woven ingot]

ahahah

[shrewd basin]

I’ll take your boba aswell

[hidden creek]

NO NOT MY BOBA

[shrewd basin]

Thank you very much

[hidden creek]

[tacit nest]

😭

[worldly nacelle]

ahahaha

[tacit nest]

this chats amazing

[worldly nacelle]

yes it is

[tacit nest]

on a side note

if i get 800 silk for waiting for the event

im crashing out

[granite marsh]

1 immortal chest

[fierce light]

Friends already done with Enigma Peak and Max Fatigue already

smh

[sour wedge]

that's insane what

[fierce light]

Glad I did all the weekly challenges at least on reset.

[hidden creek]

ye lol

some even maxed fatigue on 2 acc alr

suffer no demon burn fatigue so quick

[sour wedge]

people have second accounts? for this game?

[hidden creek]

oh yeah they do

specially those who mainly play showdown

[sour wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-palpatine-is-it-possible-learn-this-power-gif-17185041

[hidden creek]

diff build each acc

[sour wedge]

but why? can't you have multiple sj builds on one account

and potential plans?

[hidden creek]

fatigue cap

it's way harder to get 2 maxed builds on same acc

[sour wedge]

ohhhh

[sour wedge]

I guess, but still doesn't seem worth the time

[hidden creek]

there's people who addicted to showdown

and have no life

[fierce light]

I couldn't imagine having a second account

As slow as fatigue takes to burn normally.

[sour wedge]

likewise

[hidden creek]

well tbf

[fierce light]

Starting not to like Nirriti's Ruins cause I can't use my build in it. But also they're adding so many junk Anima Rings that it's becoming more common to get scuffed runs.

[hidden creek]

there's some ppl doing showdown services too

[sour wedge]

as in you play showdown for someone else's account?

[hidden creek]

ye

[sour wedge]

ach okay

[hidden creek]

empty fatigue for them

[signal kite]

Definitely not me ||believe frfr ||

[sour wedge]

that makes sense

[hidden creek]

i mean there's people who emptied like 4-5 accounts fatigue per week

believe it or not

[sour wedge]

I can't fathom that

that's insane

I use maybe 1/4th of my fatigue at most

[hidden creek]

they're making money from doing it so good for them ig

they like showdown

[sour wedge]

fair

[hidden creek]

and making money from playing what they like

[sour wedge]

it is really fun, I love the boss designs

[hidden creek]

like

once you get used to it

you can just turn off your brain and farm

and multitasking

like listen to something, could even read a book or watch a movie

and farm nirriti until fatigue is empty

relaxing and playing and making money at the same time

[tacit nest]

this

[signal kite]

Info about Collab is necessary but what about the people that gonna play that game,, day 1 of not playing game Xbox server yet to be up

[flat smelt]

+1 enigma peak sea

[spice canyon]

one for all

[tacit nest]

is the challenge hard?

[subtle bramble]

Nah you can even solo it with an okay build

Gotta say though suffer no demon makes the queue times for speedrun abysmal everyone's playing the event

[fierce light]

Max fatigue first before end-game. Makes sense

[strong lotus]

hi =3 is it better to enter with a team? or let the game build it for me? ty ty

[woven ingot]

If you have a team of friends go with that. If not, you can use the queue system, everybody is playing the event today so you should have instant queue. And if you farm in normal mode, doesn't matter how good your random companions are, it will do.

[strong lotus]

okis okis ty! I ask because the last run was really difficult xD so I dont want to make others lose for my fault x.x

[bronze wharf]

goodbye for this week Nirriti

[woven ingot]

You don't have to worry on that event. If you manage to make a team lose in normal all by yourself ... send me the video I want to know how you did that! 😂
But seriously, no there is no risk to wipe your team in normal, nor even in Challenge.

[subtle bramble]

100% mod is so fun in the challenge

[woven ingot]

it's clearly designed for it.

[bronze wharf]

go with Takaji

[strong lotus]

okis haha bc I died 3 times there

so started using only the gu

gun*

[woven ingot]

If you went into the Challenge (hard) mode, yes they do hurt. And you can die. But you only need to do it once for the one-time rewards.
After that you can simply farm on the normal mode. Damage is way lower, and the monsters pretty much die in one hit. Once they get inside the special aoe, they get permanently staggered and will die like that.

[strong lotus]

I didnt see the hard word anywhere xD

[woven ingot]

You only need to use a skill once every ... 15? seconds to trigger the special aoe of the event. If you have 4 moderation on your build it's as simple as it can be. If you don't .. well you got two other people in your team for that.

[tacit nest]

man xbox can only start playiong at 9pm bro

stoopid

[strong lotus]

okis okis!!

[woven ingot]

Are you talking about the event, Thunderous Roar (Suffer no Demon), or something else?

[strong lotus]

yes yes the Suffer no demon

with the zombies xD

[woven ingot]

Failed update and/or Microsoft screwing something on Xbox update system.

[tacit nest]

i know man

[woven ingot]

When you choose it there are two maps. First one is the easy, cost 30 fatigue. Second one, called Challenge is the hard one, costing 45 fatigue.

[tacit nest]

missed a whole day

how long is this event?

and how much we need to beat all

[woven ingot]

top one is the easy. Bottom the hard.

[woven ingot]

How long, 2 weeks I believe as there is a second map unlocking after a week.
How much you need to beat it? Until your fatigue is down to zero. Which is more or less one day playing it 😂

[round glacier]

Drops are the same?

[strong lotus]

haha so it doesnt say hard

[round glacier]

Been doing challenge lol

[woven ingot]

Don't worry about missing anything you won't. One or two days is all that is needed to empty your whole fatigue on it.

Challenge or normal is a personal choice. Same number of Jades per fatigue spent on it. So if you prefer to have a more challenging game you go for the second. If you want to farm fast and easy, the normal.

[granite marsh]

About 3 hours of gameplay to clear fatigue, twice as fast as compared to without the event

[woven ingot]

Yep, a normal run is roughly 2 minutes if you got an end game build, and mainly 100 Moderation. With the loading time etc, 3-4 minutes per run for 30 fatigue.

[strong lotus]

im def on the easy one then xD

[woven ingot]

There is no real point into going in Challenge. You won't get anything more. Just .. challenge. Which isn't really the purpose of that event. It's fast and good farming of the top Jades for Ice and poison build and lots of Jade Fragments.

[round glacier]

Welp going normal then

[tacit nest]

isnt there a challenge for challenge tho

extra reward?

[woven ingot]

You need to do it once. And that's it afaik.

[tacit nest]

like once cleared?

oh word

[fierce light]

They pushed it back to 9pm?

[tacit nest]

says 2100

yeah

last i checked

[fierce light]

🙏🏾

[hearty rivet]

omg just noticed the biggest qol improvement in the game. 3 emote tabs 🫠

[fierce light]

Bruh... If I don't get to play at all cause of this delay 😭

[granite marsh]

eh winter?

[woven ingot]

If you get a power outage just when the Xbox server is finally up, that will mean there is clearly some superior power that got something against you.

[tacit nest]

damn, you must be north north

[granite marsh]

Here's hoping we'll(xbox network) actually be able to play tmr. Pretty sure the predicted time for server maintenance shifted backwards twice now

[fierce light]

Yeah it's coming up at midnight for me now

[fierce light]

No, pretty south, but it shuts down from winter weather.

[tacit nest]

it still says 2100 for me \

[tacit nest]

brooo

[fierce light]

<t:1736485200:F> (<t:1736485200:R>) is what I got for the converted time

[worldly gyro]

Looting new anima rings open party reg sea

[tacit nest]

same

[woven ingot]

Vortex down on its first apparition, that's a fast and clean one.
You had one person dedicated to destroying the Mound, or you simply fight the boss next to it and it get destroyed by aoe attacks "randomly"?

[polar light]

yeah defuse the ice sparks to destroy the ice mount, but the better way is taking the boss when he dive away from the Ice base Range

tessa was handling the ice Mound in that run cuz she had a Bow while we have cannons

[woven ingot]

I see. That makes sense. I saw you turning at a moment when the Mound respawned to help with getting it down.
Usually the teams I get lure the boss in the "safe zone" to ignore the Mound. But that's of course not the fastest way for the down, but the safest.
Not seeing any of you getting frozen I'd nearly forgot I'm getting frozen every 10-15 sec on that fight. Nearly 😂

Finally, so that's the new secret.
I don't know if there is any condition on it.
It comes from a codex, nothing special to trigger it.
I was running hard mode, so no need for NS.
Went with Poison Element for once.
For Animas, I only had Lotus Blessing II, nothing else. As it's lotus related, I'd bet that you need lotus blessing I or II for it to appears.

As for the effect, it summons that big lotus next you when you press Z.
Didn't saw much about its effect, I'd think like a normal Lotus revolving around you it needs to hit the monster to do something. As I was fighting Omnius Beast who jumped everywhere and never got hit by it, I can't say I saw the Spectral Lotus do much. ^^'

[fierce light]

From a Codex I'm assuming? Nice to see it got it's own version of Atomize.

[amber terrace]

god drop rate

[fierce light]

First day drop rate going away already...

[woven ingot]

Yes it comes from a normal Codex. No special weird thing to do ala Divine Army.

But sadfuly it seems to be very far from Atomize greatness. If it really only attack in Melee range, it's only of use if the boss is Aegis broken, or if you fight a boss that never moves.
The Lotus is deployed on the ground, it doesn't follow you at all. You drop it on the ground when you press Z, and it will stay where it dropped for 20 sec.

And unlike Atomize you can have ready every 5-10 seconds, Spectral Lotus asks for 250 Lotus hits. I had 400% revolving speed to help me test it, but you clearly can't hope to see it ready often.

[fierce light]

yeah, definitely would need some high investment into Lotus

Which is unfortunate cause it also needs Element to do any meaningful damage.

[woven ingot]

Maybe the damage it does is awesome, I really couldn't see it, as of course I had the worst boss possible to test it: Omnius Beast in full frog mode the whole fight.

I don't think there was an only place in the whole arena he didn't tried ^^'

[amber terrace]

this game iz troll

[woven ingot]

Clearly not the drop you're dreaming about when you start your run.

[exotic solstice]

Bro might be the best in eu💪

[woven ingot]

NotToxic is definitely on the top 5 EU players. And can play at high level 75% of the heroes I think, which is unusual.

[exotic solstice]

I know, NotToxic is him🥵

[twin ledge]

this speedrun thunder burn can work again

[tacit nest]

w

[twin ledge]

think can do it faster tho if i dont use thunder burn

cause my counters are feeling really weird after update

[steep patio]

Can we still not login on Xbox?

[tacit nest]

till 9 yeah

[steep patio]

All that just for them to give us like 1 eilxer w terrible drops 😭

[hexed jungle]

question

when in showdown am i suppose to keep infusing the blues into what im using or just putting the stronger yellows on?

[fierce light]

Hope I can find a group for Peak when it's finally up

[steep patio]

I’m down to do it if you want

[fierce light]

Only use

• Blue and Gray Souljades for Increasing Sense Level or Souljade Conversion (converts 20 into a random Purple/Gold Souljade).
• Purples and Golds for Deconstruction (for Recasting Materials) or Equipment.

You can use Attack Souljade II's as placeholder Souljades in your build till you get one that you're looking for.

[hexed jungle]

ok thank you

[tacit nest]

mines still saying unable to connect

said it was good at 21:00 tho

which is 9pm

[shrewd basin]

One more hour

[fierce light]

You using this time?

[tacit nest]

FUCKKKK

nah i didnt see that

[shrewd basin]

[tacit nest]

i was going based off time it said on naraka which was 2100

sadggggeee broo

😔

[fierce light]

Yeah it's in pacific time in-game

[restive wraith]

man there are so many bots in the new event now it is annoying...

maybe it's time to just solo

:/

[oak spindle]

I love how your winter is a true winter mean while my city is burning down 😭

[fierce light]

They afk'ing?

[restive wraith]

yup

[fierce light]

Figured

[tacit nest]

yall cooked

....

[restive wraith]

some even run around spam emote and do nothing

[tacit nest]

literally

[restive wraith]

........

[oak spindle]

😭

[fierce light]

They'll get punished if they stand still

[restive wraith]

should I record some and just mass report them xd? just for fun

[tacit nest]

im scared now

what if i wanna queue but the bots are just garbage

[restive wraith]

yea I can easily carry but let the monster go to me not drag them away

[tacit nest]

this event is lit bri

bro

[fierce light]

Don't see the compensation 👀

Not terrible drops.

[hexed jungle]

whats the fastest way to level up your sense?

[fierce light]

Suffer No Demon rn. Nirriti's Ruins otherwise.

Enigma Domain when you're strong enough for it.

[hexed jungle]

just for the blues then infuse them im guessing?

[signal kite]

Yippie finally server's up

[fierce light]

Yeah make sure you're not imbuing them or anything. Just use them to enhance the jades you care about

[sly kestrel]

anyone knows what are these for ?

[fierce light]

To enter Enigma Domain

[sly kestrel]

finally an answer

TY! ❤️

[fierce light]

Legendary Rune Key kinda tells you, but yeah description is pretty vague.

[hexed jungle]

whats enigma domain? whats its purpose

[spice canyon]

Slightly more jade dropped

[fierce light]

Drops the most Souljades per Fatigue currently.

[grand pier]

can someone explain fatigue to me?

[fierce light]

It's a stamina system. Like any of those facebook games where you could do things for a limited times per day for rewards, but instead its weekly.

[oak spindle]

Whats the best character to bring to the Suffer No Demon event rn? Im using wuchen but I feel like tessa procs my posion build more

[twin ledge]

I would say 3 characters yueshan, Tessa and tarka in my opinion

[hidden creek]

if you're running normal just bring whoever can burst the boss down as quick as possible

cuz mobs dies from the lightning alone

[fierce light]

First run

[spice canyon]

Diabolical

[oak spindle]

im doing the challenge mode is that normal? or are you talking about the other one...

wait i dont think I should be doing challenge its more fatigue and the same chance of legendaries and stuf..

[hidden creek]

challenge mode consume 45 fatigue, normal consume 30 fatigue
but challenge the total hp is 6x more compare to normal

drop pool and drop rate are the same

[oak spindle]

yup yup I did not know that until rn...

[hidden creek]

you get more jades on challenge compare to normal because it consume more fatigue, but the run will be longer

so like if you can do 3x normal faster than 2x challenge then can just spam normal

it's also great if you don't have a team because it's way easier to solo normal

running tessa you can break the normal boss aegis as soon as it appear, and kill it during aegis break

[oak spindle]

yup yup thats what im trying to do. just working on getting my sense lvl up cause I started playing not to long ago...

[oak spindle]

all the people ik that play showdown arent on right now 😭 so im forced to solo sad

[hidden creek]

i always go solo lol

[oak spindle]

im just bored without others yk?

music is not enough to power me through showdown 😭

[grand pier]

that's so stupid, it incentivises you to play less. Is there any benefit to getting you fatigue to max?

[fierce light]

It takes a long time to max your fatigue normally. But no aside from getting more rewards than someone who isn't able to.

[grand pier]

so you get more rewards for getting your fatigue to max?

[tacit nest]

compensation in mail everyone

@fierce light

[spice canyon]

It's the opposite, the more you play the less reward you will get
If you are casual player, don't bother with this thing

[grand pier]

that's so stupid lol, why would they implement a feature like this

[fierce light]

Before, the mode used to only be open during the weekends

[grand pier]

that's odd too, I mean why not just have it be always open and no fatigue as well?

they punish you for enjoying the game in essence

[spice canyon]

In china, the government told to game developer to have a system so people (especially kids) would spend less time playing on computer

Idk if this is still a thing

[grand pier]

I guess that makes sense, it's so dumb though, I'm trying to level up but now if I play more I won't be able to level up, and grinding is already tedious enough, they're just making things more annoying

[tacit nest]

whats paragon 2 boss?

[fierce light]

That likely was put in place so people who had all week to grind couldn't get insanely ahead of people with limited hours per week. But honestly it's still the case in the end as it takes a good amount of time to even max out fatigue.

Just this week is quicker cause we have a farmable event map

[fierce light]

Mountain Ghost and Iron Taifeng.

[grand pier]

I guess, I still think it's an annoying feature. Like at this rate it'll take me forever to reach 1000 sense

[hidden creek]

uhm no

if you empty your fatigue it take like one week

to get to max or almost max sense

considering the season last for 6 months, the amount of time you spent to maxing sense is nothing

[grand pier]

I got past 600 in a day

[dapper gale]

this event especially is great for farming sense. u can do even challenge quite easily under 3-5min

[hidden creek]

i think the fatigue system exist to cover the lack of contents

if they remove this system, people will get max builds early

and was able to clear everything with ease

[grand pier]

maybe that makes sense too, they need to add more, it's really just the same 5 or 6 chapters but harder and a boss rush mode. They should expand the story. I still like it though

[hidden creek]

and since they don't give us new contents, the game became boring real quick

[dapper gale]

just the gacha game of obtaining perfect rare attributes 🤓

[hidden creek]

i mean there's literally no point running any main stages once you cleared them for the 1st time

that's how bad it is rn

[fierce light]

1000 Sense is definitely possible the first week

[hidden creek]

and end game showdown gameplay is literally just nirriti/enigma farming til your fatigue empty

[fierce light]

Pretty much what most of us did the first week of the season

[hidden creek]

and tries multiple yama/speedrun for the ranking

that's it

we don't have dungeons or raids

nor an ingame trading system

people asked for pve mode because they saw the potential

of how good a world like naraka could be for a pve game

but the devs execution is... eh

[grand pier]

Sadly it seems like no one plays showdown so maybe that’s why there’s a lack of content

[hidden creek]

i mean i could say the opposite

because of the lack of content so no one wants to play

[grand pier]

Yeah but people just starting can’t really make that claim

[hidden creek]

they can, i mean after finished the main stages (main story if you will), it's just endless grinding for... what?

i mean what's the goal of all this? just for the ranking board?

[grand pier]

What’s the goal of any pve game like this?

[hidden creek]

like on other pve games, you got end game raids which are so hard and require lots of skill, gear and teamwork

and when you cleared it you get rewarded with something that is worth the efforts

[grand pier]

I guess they can add that

[hidden creek]

what do we get in this game?

like

people who's top 1 yama, top 1 speedrun, clear multiple enigma peaks (which are the hardest contents, the absolute endgame that you can achieve in this game)

what do you get?

a damn badge

like what's the point

[grand pier]

My thing is what’s the point of any pve game by that logic though. Even with raids. Ok now I beat the raid. What’s the point now?

[hidden creek]

you get stuffs that you could sell for ingame currency

[grand pier]

Name a pve game you like that feels fulfilling

[hidden creek]

but we don't have an ingame trading system

[hidden creek]

literally any game that was built around the pve mode in mind

[grand pier]

I’n asking you to name one though, because they’re all gonna feel unfulfilling when you get to the end

[fierce light]

Trading would likely lead to people selling their already built jades for irl money to newer players or something

[hidden creek]

that's when the new contents come

[grand pier]

Every game at the end feels pointless

[hidden creek]

dragon nest

[hidden creek]

but it's not the end?

[grand pier]

What makes it fulfilling

[hidden creek]

the end game raid is hard, require good skill, gear, teamwork, and everything to clear

and it was designed so you can only clear it with everything you got, by the end of the season

but on naraka showdown, enigma peak was supposed to be the hardest team stage

and people cleared it on day one, myself included and i'm not even a good pve player

[hidden creek]

and why is it bad?
i mean they could make new gears, new stuffs that is so hard to get

that only drops in hardest content

every other mmorpg pve does this

[fierce light]

There would have to be some currency worth trading for

[hidden creek]

yeah

and there will be

if the devs really want to make it works

they just don't, that's what i'm saying

they gave us a half-baked pve mode and call it a day

how long has it been? from when showdown introduced to current?

and there's still no point running the main stages one you cleared it?

[fickle linden]

i got scorching as my 2nd rare for my toxified lotus

can it not reroll for another rare?

[hidden creek]

you can't

[fickle linden]

daymn, so i need to reroll it into perfect stat and then use another jade flux

[hidden creek]

either roll it to a maxed attribute, or diss the jade

[fickle linden]

well atleast i got one more windfall today even tho flux jade was bust

[grand pier]

Yeah I agree, trading would be a pointless system. If you can trade jades you can just give a new player level 1000+ jades.

If you can only trade at the same level then trading is meaningless because you’re gonna have all that stuff already by grinding

Trading isn’t a feature that helps showdown at all. It needs more content that’s pretty much it

[grand pier]

No I get that, but after the raid then what is there to do?

[hidden creek]

lol if you play showdown for more than a month you'll realize sense level doesn't mean sht

[grand pier]

Then what is there point of trading by your logic again

[hidden creek]

then comes the new season with new contents, new raids, new stuffs to build, to work on, to explore?

[hidden creek]

so the people got motivated to actual reach the endgame?

so more people gonna play?

[grand pier]

So at the end of the day pve’s are not fulfilling, that’s why you make more content. In pvp the fulfillment comes from being the best. In pve it’s just an addiction if we’re being honest lol

I do agree though raids would be nice, and more story too

[hidden creek]

it is fulfilling, for awhile

but even that we don't get

[grand pier]

But I enjoy showdown for what it is. I just hate the fatigue lol

[hidden creek]

yeah wait until you reached the endgame and find out there's nothing excited about it and all you gonna do now is just mindlessly grinding day by day, stocking up mats for next season which gonna comes in like 5 more MONTHS lol

[robust portal]

i feel like its a pretty shit system when i can play for less the one day and then no longer continue playing any showdown until next Wednesday

apart from yamas which is something atleast, but even then

[hidden creek]

ok let's say they straight up remove the fatigue system, what now?

[robust portal]

its hard to not see it this way i would agree

[hidden creek]

everyday nirriti/enigma farming?

[robust portal]

yeah in that case its defo the whole game mode itself thats flawed, not just the fatigue system

sadly

[hidden creek]

yeah i told you, it's not the fatigue

it's the lack of content

[robust portal]

for sure i agree, ive said the same things, it is quite shocking thinking about how neglected this game mode is

[hidden creek]

the potential is huge

the materials are all there

all they need to do is just put them in places

[robust portal]

i do enjoy it, but lack of content and its so blatent, how do they expect new players to want to play even

[hidden creek]

it was pretty excited when you first starting and work your way through the stages

but after that it gets bored really quick

[robust portal]

i was instantly interested as i had just started playing naraka when showdown had just been released i guess, and my friend who introduced me to naraka knew i had sunk alot of hours into hades

and told me its basically hades mode, which was familiar to me, and i do enjoy grinding

[grand pier]

I agree with you, that’s the whole thing that prompted this whole conversation. I came here to complain about that lol

[robust portal]

ive had more free time then normal and maxed my fatigue last week by the weekend and i felt the same then, but i had grinded niritti to death so could appreciate and look forward to reset, this week, i nearly maxed fatigue in literal hours

just annoying coz i dont want to make an alt account but feel like thats what this game mode wants haha

[robust portal]

i cant help but feel like im sensing the lack of monetization of showdown is the main reason for its neglect

but just enough effort put in to make some people hooked on playing and grinding it out haha

[hidden creek]

tbh it feels like they don't even try to make showdown good anymore

players asked for it and they make it, but then for some reason they realize it's not worth it

[robust portal]

yeah its a strange one, too many blatent lack of effort factors to believe that they really care or want the game mode to progress

[hidden creek]

yeah feels like they just tested the water and the result is not up to their expectation

[robust portal]

or maybe there are so little resources directed to develope the game mode? i have no idea how tho, the money the main game makes

[hidden creek]

i mean that's what i'm saying

the result isn't good, it doesn't bring players nor making money

so they don't pour in resouces to develope the game mode anymore

[robust portal]

how popular is showdown in cn?

[hidden creek]

hence the lack of content and the boring gameplay

and that turn around again causing the low amount of players, the circle continue

[fathom bobcat]

It's played by more players than all the other servers combined, by my estimation and from what I saw on the PvE leaderboards last season on various servers, including CN.
It makes sense, though, considering that CN in general has more players than all the other servers combined.

Regarding the rest: I agree that PvE is evolving pretty damn slowly, though I would like to point out that there's a big difference between what it was a year ago (before December 2023 and the entry of the first season) and what it is now.
And about monetization too - developers themselves introduced shitty battle pass for every season of Showdown that doesn't stand up to comparison with the bp from PvP. Given that it contains no gold and has to be bought with real money every time, its profitability is left to speculation.
Rest are elixirs that are expensive but don't make much sense.

[tacit nest]

paragon 2 is fucking hard bro

[drifting lance]

🎉 | ItzFantome leveled up!

[tacit nest]

holy hell

[fathom bobcat]

At minimum 500 people have passed paragon 10 on CN on Temulch. I'm not sure that on EU, NA, SEA and AS in principle so many people passed paragon 10 on all heroes.

[fickle linden]

huh

[drifting lance]

🎉 | TenKey leveled up!

[fickle linden]

paragon2 was wayyyyyyy easier than paragon1 for me

lotuses go brr

time was shitttt but idc

[timid stirrup]

r u using ice or poison?

[fickle linden]

3rd slowest tessa time who have done paragon 2 😄

[fickle linden]

poison

[timid stirrup]

3rd is 3rd no matter where it is

i'll take it

[fickle linden]

im just happy with kills

[timid stirrup]

agreed

[fickle linden]

maybe once i learn to play ill try to get good times next year maybe 🤣

[timid stirrup]

wont take that long

[hidden creek]

on sea there's 30 ppl sub 1 min paragon 2 on tessa already

[fickle linden]

eu rank 1 tessa is 0:25

[hidden creek]

wao 0:25, thunderscorch?

[fickle linden]

yes

[hidden creek]

as i thought

[fickle linden]

4th is ice lotus

0:37

1-3 is ts

[hidden creek]

2nd is ice lotus 0:33

[fickle linden]

7th is first poison with 0:44

[hidden creek]

so tscorch is still needed on yama stages that you could farm parries

[hidden creek]

🥹 i'm at 0:43 but out of top 10 already

[fickle linden]

you would be 7th in eu right now

[hidden creek]

ppl rly enjoy playing tessa

[limpid pecan]

i got this on eu

but is 100% possible do better

i lost prolly already like 2 sec

[fickle linden]

i have to play tessa i cant defuse chains with viper

[limpid pecan]

coz boss refused to get soaked

[fickle linden]

need that chaindefuse

[hidden creek]

it gonna take you like 100 more runs to cover that 2s

heck make it 300

[limpid pecan]

dont think so, there is room to get 25s

as we see on tessa

with feria is very similar

both have hard hitting F

but i think i leave it anyway for next week, is w/e anyway

doesnt matter this rank

[fickle linden]

in the end of the season, does the last paragon boss time determine who is server top 1

for the season

[limpid pecan]

yes

and last boss will be eerie manticore 99.9999999999%

with omen combat drive 2

[fickle linden]

paragon 5 will be last or 10? someone talked about paragon 10 here earlier

but there is only paragon5 in yama right now

[limpid pecan]

i think it may be actually p20

or something

[fickle linden]

oh snap

[limpid pecan]

from what i know

S1 was 3months/50stages in old system

S1.5 was 6months/60stages

so if S2 was 3months/p10

[grand pier]

yep it's annoying

[limpid pecan]

would make logical sense

to have p20

and we see they are staggering bosses already

before p2 was boss stage with rock

now they put a mob stage

on p2

and rock is p3

tbh i think these mob stages are more fun to play

[hollow light]

Is there a difference in drop rate, or something with the new event on Showdown with** Chapter 1 Thunder Roar** & Thunder Roar - Challenge ? I am only seeing the fatigue difference +30 vs +45.

[hidden creek]

normal drop 8 jades, challenge 12 jades

[hollow light]

ah, but it doesn't seem to display that on the drops preview

[limpid pecan]

how many jades drops nirriti

@fierce light i summon u

[hidden creek]

it's kinda just general knowledge

more fatigue consumed = more jades drops

that's it

[hollow light]

True, I guess similar to how NIrriti Works Hard vs Nightscream/legend

[hidden creek]

nah

nirriti difficulty diff result in different drop pool

but on this even it doesn't

drop pool and drop rate (of getting gold and purple) are the same between normal and challenge

just jade quantity diff

[hollow light]

Gotcha, that makes sense, thanks

**• Thunder Roar Normal: **80 Runs x 30 Fatigue per run (8 Jades per clear) = 2,400 Fatigue net 640 Jades
**• Thunderous Roar Challenge: **54 Runs x 45 Fatigue per run (12 Jades per clear) = 2,430 Fatigue net 648 Jades

I think it's best to save those exhilarating elixirs after the event knowing it takes 2-4 mins to clear per run.

[fickle linden]

challenge mobs have what like 6x the health than normal?

so 6x more work with your weapon for 8 jades

[hidden creek]

nope, the jade quantity is just the same with same amount of fatigue spent, doesn't matter if you run normal or challenge

that 8 jade is from the exceeded 30 fatigue

[fickle linden]

oh right, 6x more work for little faster fatigue spending then i guess

that in the end ends up not being faster? since clearing challenge takes longer??

[hidden creek]

yep

[fickle linden]

gottalove iit

[hidden creek]

let's say you gonna spend 90 fatigue, that's either 2x challenge or 3x normal runs

since the drop rate and drop pool are the same, whichever faster is better

and since challenge is much tankier it's better just go for normal lol, cuz i'm pretty sure 3x normal is faster than 2x challenge

less hassle also

[icy sundial]

how to add extra attribute ?

[fickle linden]

4 is max you can use flux jade to get 2nd rare on it

[hidden creek]

''extra attributes'' in this context refers to any attributes on the jades that isn't a rare attribute

[fickle linden]

does it add to attributes on all jades btw?

or just the jade it's on

[hidden creek]

they was asking about the windfall effect

[fickle linden]

yeah

me too, in the message you replied xD

once i figured what they meant

[hidden creek]

i don't understand

[fickle linden]

but like windfall, it adds to every jade in your build?

i thought it only buffed sub-attributes in the jade it's on

[hidden creek]

no, just that jade

[fickle linden]

oh damn okay

so if you wanted to really min-max you wouldn't want 2 mod in any jade instead 1 mod 1 windfall on all 4

[hidden creek]

well it depends on what you're going for

it doesn't matters if you got 2 rares on each jades

1 mod 1 wind x2
vs
2 mod x1 & 2 wind x1
the result is the same

[fickle linden]

oh right i dont know why in my head i thought 2nd windfall would buff less than first one

it's just in MY jade it buffs less cus it's not maxed

lmao

[hidden creek]

oh yeah if ur normal attributes are not maxed then it'll make a difference

between double windfall/mod or 1 mod 1 wind on 1 jade

[restive wraith]

I'm wondering if Viper Ning's red outfit will make others lag

I got 5 matchs that my teammate just dc mid fight already

any thought guys?

[hidden creek]

cosmetic bloat is definitely real

[fickle linden]

i get craaazy fps drop in that one story level

thats doom 1 this week

like 100 fps drops

but havent noticed anything about nings red outfit

[hidden creek]

technically speaking anything with extra vfx could affects your fps

[restive wraith]

ehhhh i might as well use another costume in event I guess

btw anyone know how to show fps ingame?

[hidden creek]

red outfits if you turn on kill vfx and 1shot a mob wave it could really well drops your fps

[restive wraith]

I never know how to that

[restive wraith]

literally me lmao

[hidden creek]

steam overlay, nvidia overlay, msi afterburner

[restive wraith]

ah no ingame setting ;C

leme try steam

[hidden creek]

yea this game doesn't have built in fps monitor

[restive wraith]

~200 fps for menu
120 - 180 fps ingame

not bad

penglai is another story xd

[woven ingot]

Congrats, that's some kind of anti speedrun! 😂

[fickle linden]

thank youu!

too much showdown i guess, i just tried to defuse enemy in pvp

[woven ingot]

ahah, i know that feeling.

[cyan grove]

Hello, do any of you guys have paragon 1 clip with Viper on poison build?

[drifting lance]

🎉 | Krowhl leveled up!

[heavy gulch]

its a lot of keys?

[woven ingot]

it's a good amount you should be in peace for some time.

[granite marsh]

I love that we can get gold keys in suffer no demon as drops

[formal lark]

So it makes no difference if I run Suffer no Demon Challenge or not despite from the +15 fatigue right?

[hidden creek]

no difference on amount of sj gained per fatigue

[formal lark]

thanks

[woven ingot]

The only difference is the time you ll spend on it, and how challenging you want it to be.

[formal lark]

"challenging" lol

I dont want to run this, I just want to finish the quests. I rather run Peak alone to farm Fragments.

Just dont want to waste all my fatigue for that..

[cyan grove]

Isn't it worth doing it? It gives a decent amount of yellow / purple jades for like 2 minutes

or 3

[formal lark]

In my opinion not, I rather invest some more time to get more souljades for less fatigue you know?

But if you are not playing 2400 fatigue per week its worth yes.

[fathom bobcat]

Event lasts for 3 weeks, after which we're back to the same old ways of farming for 5 months. Maybe if there isn't another event like this.
But yeah, if you're motivated enough to keep maximizing your fatigue (and you're not sick to hell of monotony), enigma is a better option.

[hidden creek]

enigma domain is better if you run with gold key only, it gives 10 sj per 30 fatigue, but sj quality is worse (3.75% gold 11.25% purple)
enigma peak is still better than suffer no demon even with brown key cuz it got the same sj quality (5% gold 15% purple) but gives more sj per fatigue

but peak took much longer to complete

[fathom bobcat]

We got way to quickly complete fatigue without much strain.
When you every time you get a bunch of crap and crumbs of valuable for week of farming, then somehow you become a little indifferent to the minmax of the effective drop. Sometimes motivation to do anything beyond “went into PvE once, closed a week's worth of quests - got out” is basically gone.

[hidden creek]

true

i mean those drop rate are just theory anyway

i run peak with gold key on 150% rewards i got 2 golds lmao

[rose sky]

Hi there, how is everyone doing. I'm new to this game. Can someone answer the questions I have? Bro, I'm talking about the rare attribute that you get after 60 recasts, how many can you do it for one season? I know for flux Jade, it's simple, you can just get rare attribute by imbuing it depending upon flux jades.

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah, it took us 10 minutes to get through Peak Ice (as the most comfortable for 3 builds on ice).

[hidden creek]

the lack of content strike again

[fathom bobcat]

In theory and here you can use 1-2 build for luck in Peak, but it will be very frustrating in terms of pass rate.

[hidden creek]

luck build is snake oil

i got a 5.5k luck build last season and it does nothing

[rose sky]

gusevdagot: oh man I know you! You are our justice chamber leader. And I'm group member of the group you lead. Necromancer Right?

[fathom bobcat]

I'm talking about the rare attribute that you get after 60 recasts
No. For a 60 recast, you get a property of your choice, but it's not rare. You can get rare one for 1 recast or 200, depending on your luck.
You can get as many of them as you like, as you're lucky. But, you can only get rare property through recast if you don't have any rare properties on your jade.

[limpid pecan]

im thinking probably base luck in stages is already so high

another 5k doesnt matter

[hidden creek]

i use it when i'm farming the 2 snakes bosses stage for gold key too

doesn't do sht

[fathom bobcat]

Yes and no. A group of 3 builds on luck from my observations still gets more needed jades than without it. But not radically more.

[fathom bobcat]

No, our leader is HikkaruHikka.

[hidden creek]

lol in the end it's still depends on your luck, you can get 10 golds in one enigma run with 9k luck and you can also get 0 gold with the same setup

so why does it even matters if the drop variation is that huge?

[rose sky]

I got two rare for free this season. And you seems to be true as I can tell, I used many recasting, like breaking 200 or 300 limit. And deconstruction of many legendary and epic soul jades.

[fathom bobcat]

Chinese random is merciless, but it can be placated a bit. Or so I think.

[hidden creek]

well i mean if you believe in it, sure

just saying that i've been running that 5k luck build for a whole season and it really doesn't make any difference at all

so that's my conclusion

[fathom bobcat]

If you play him solo, I absolutely agree.

[hidden creek]

but there's one FACT which is the drop variation is tremendously large

same setup and you could get 50 frags per run or you could get 10

[fathom bobcat]

unless we're talking about 6 scorching in a row on an elemental build

[hidden creek]

hah, that's another story

[rose sky]

Now I know, so it's extremely rare, that's why it didn't work the 3rd time, I tried the free rare game

Another question: And how many flux shards one obtains when destroying one jade that has two rare attributes in it?

[hidden creek]

2

[fathom bobcat]

One rare attribute = one flux shards. That is, two rare attributes = two flux.

[rose sky]

Thanks

[robust portal]

anyone got clips/vids of temulch or yoto clearing yamas abyss?

i randomly got a moderation on ariel rend so kinda tryna get commited to being better with either of them but it feels a bit more crucial to play correctly with 2h idk

[rose sky]

But one needs two shards for one rare attribute for next season for new soul jades. Well it's a loss for deconstructing the previous ones that already has two rare attributes in it.

[rose sky]

Man, it's very difficult to play yama's abyss wth temulch. And Moderation attributes is not much helpful because until your ultimate activates you have to dodge and defuse every attract of the Boss. But you can't do that all the time. If you slowed down a bit or boss' continuous attacks. You can't clear the boss.

[robust portal]

tell me about it, its very punishing making any kind of mistake

ive managed some insane burst damage tho when ult gets popped and spamming f

[rose sky]

Until you get scorching on legendary soul jade wait to fight for yama

[robust portal]

im using my ice build with ariel rend on him and have 100% moderation so it does kinda help being able to f to get out of trouble constantly tbh

think i just got to get used to the greatsword in showdown, been playing mostly tessa and it kinda feels like ez mode on her

[rose sky]

Oh man you are lucky to get 100% Moderation, I have 3 Moderation attributes of only 25, 20 or around it.

[robust portal]

i literally got it luckily earlier, ive been stuck on 75% mod for ages, i needed a 1 flux shard coz i have 1 already but aint no way im deconstructing moderation on ariel rend haha

[rose sky]

If you have ice build then it's great if you can also kinda get out of trouble. But it's difficult to use great sword, as it takes much time. Try that soul jades with wuchen. You can fly to paragon with that character

[robust portal]

i feel like its often really hoping for a long parry chain and not messing it up haha

well im on 95% mod currently, i got 4 windfalls but 1 hit and im stuffed basicaslly

[wind light]

yo my G should i build thunder scorch lotus or pure ice build lotus is ok my avg dmg in peak enigma is 5m

with pure lotus ice

[robust portal]

the charge he does is fucking me up bad

and his range is insane wtf

ive beat it on alot of other chars just not greatswor

[celest quest]

Do u guys know how to change the 3 showdown heroes that are shown when I open my profile

[hidden creek]

it shows 3 heroes with highest sense level

so if i want it to shows viper, feria and tessa, i do this

[formal lark]

You have to take off all Souljades first. Then put the souljades on that ones you wanna have on your profile

[celest quest]

Oooo. Thank u guys

I was going for my two other Heroes to have zero jades and then my Kurumi is the only one but then viper Ning as a level 7 shows up. So I can’t have two level 1s with no jades I suppose

[hidden creek]

i have no idea what you're saying

[celest quest]

lol

[hidden creek]

but just equip a blank page on characters that you don't want to shows up

[woven ingot]

The game will always dispaly 3 heroes no matter what you do. You can't have only 2 as you'd want to 😉

[celest quest]

Right, thanks! It was just a weird thing. Where I wanted Two level 1’s with no Jades, but then Viper is level 7, and it shows her with Feria

So to remove Ning I must put Jades on another Hero

[signal kite]

I'm happy with this much ice blast value ain't investing any further in this build now

[granite marsh]

Funni number

[signal kite]

[celest quest]

[woven ingot]

i tried Peak in solo. I'm clearly ... not good enough 😂

[river stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-bonk-gif-22415732

[woven ingot]

I was close to kill 4 bosses and that's all. They all hit harder and get so much more HP to burn down even if you don't fail anything.

[hidden creek]

yeah it's kinda impossible to solo peak this time

duo is possible though

but you'd need end game build and be very good at piloting

[woven ingot]

i'll remember for the duo.
I wanted to know which boss i'd face there. But only saw the basic Water Ent, Mountain Ghost and Omnius Void.

[hearty rivet]

how many windfalls you have? 👀👀👀

[hidden creek]

there's eerie manticore and eerie korvine phase 2

[woven ingot]

So the same as Topaz, but you got possible Eerie on Korvine P1, and they removed one to put Manticore P2 instead? And maybe P1 too?

[hidden creek]

idk don't remember, only do bossing one time

the rest i was mobbing

but there's eerie p2 manticore and eerie p2 korvine that's for sure

[woven ingot]

I must have failed something because I had a boss spawning 200m away. I bet I went a bit over 70% of the gauge (Topaz habit) and failed the spawing.

[fierce light]

18 at 150% rewards, 12 at 100% rewards.

[hearty rivet]

🤔 At least with no borders around the boss arena this time ppl can grapple out of manticore's nasty aoe attacks and eat popcorn from the distance?

[hidden creek]

ye u can

[woven ingot]

I only know the solo mecanics well. When it's trio, the 3 start killing mobs, when you spawn the first boss, 2 move to do that boss together and the last one go on with mobs? If he reach 60% on the bar before the boss dies he stops and go help them?

[hidden creek]

trios there's 2 setup

1 boss 2 mob or 1 mob 2 boss

usually it's 1 mob 2 boss though

the person who do mobbing just go around the map killing camps, stops at 66~69%, don't let it goes over 70%

when there's still a boss alive

[woven ingot]

Ok that's where i failed, and had a boss spawn 200M away.

[hidden creek]

because at that percentage, if the boss gets killed the next boss will spawn immediately

[signal kite]

8

[fierce light]

60 recasts let's you choose a non-rare attribute. There's no guarantee for rare attributes. There's no seasonal limit on it either, just how much materials you have.

[woven ingot]

Thankies, I'll try to practice at that when I got the occasion.

[fierce light]

If you already have regular Ice Lotus, there's no point in building another. Thunder Scorch doesn't use Lotus anyway.

[hearty rivet]

Huh... I thought 340% was the max ice blast damage buff with 8 windfalls 👀 I'm clearly missing something

[signal kite]

375%

Is max that shows in screen

[hidden creek]

ye

8 windfall, 30% ice blast dmg on each jade + potential

= 375%

[woven ingot]

2 (from 8 WF) x 30% x 6 (jades) = 360%
Then you got 40% from potential.

But I guess the display stops at 375% because ... reasons.

[hearty rivet]

wait windfall give 50% buff not 100

is it multiplicative buff, so double windfall is 1.5x1.5x30%?

[fierce light]

• 40% from Potential
• 300% from Attributes
• 35% from Frozen Blast

[woven ingot]

Yep, my bad i went for 2 WF per jade.

[signal kite]

✅

[woven ingot]

WF PTSD make me see them everywhere on every Jade ^^'

[fierce light]

30% * (2 * 2 [double Windfalls] + 1.5 * 4 [single Windfalls]) = 300%

[hidden creek]

your actual ice blast dmg in matches gonna goes even higher than that though

[woven ingot]

Yep you got to add that

[hidden creek]

and tundra might

[hearty rivet]

Ahh, so additive, thx! okay, I missed the frozen blast buff from the calculation and thought max was 340%

[woven ingot]

That's 90% more added to the 375% "basic" bonus.

[fierce light]

Also careful, Frostbite Damage ≠ Ice Blast DMG. Frostbite is the term for the accumulation towards Ice Blast. Similar to Thundershock for Divine Thunder and Toxin for Poison Blast.

[woven ingot]

So what is FrostBite exactly? Damage added to your melee damage (or skill) that are Ice and contribute to increasing Ice meter?
So on screen you should see a number for your melee damage and another for the Forstbite it did?

[hidden creek]

no

it just get added onto you dmg

so the dmg number you saw on your screen is already the basic dmg of the attack itself plus elemental dmg

[woven ingot]

So you don't see the exact number?

[hidden creek]

yeah you only see the final dmg

[woven ingot]

Meaning, we don't know if 45% more frostbite damage contributes a little bit, or if it is totally neglectible.

[hidden creek]

we do know

cuz we can just test it on training

[fierce light]

Viper's ability for example has a damage coefficient of 9.0. Meaning it also has a base Frostbite Damage of 9.0 as well. That's just short of being able to proc Ice Blast on a small mob normally (you can test this in Free Training with no Potential).

Tundra Might multiplies that Frostbite DMG by 1.45, bringing it up to 13.05, which is above the 9.67 Elemental Tolerance threshold that small mobs have. Same for Frost Douse, but that multiplies it by 1.5 on top of that if you have both.

[hidden creek]

it's unecessary so no one bother to

[fierce light]

On its own Tundra Might is rather weak, but when combined with Frost Douse, it gives Ice the highest Elemental Accumulation rate in the game at the moment. Allowing certain things to proc Ice Blasts on bosses much quicker, such as Yueshan's Charged Attack in his Ultimate procing in one hit and Cannon being able to proc Ice Blast in 2 shots on small mobs without any Cannon Modifying Souljades.

[woven ingot]

The Frostbite part comes from your Ice wielding level, or is it something else?

[fierce light]

Yeah, need at least 1 Ice-Wielding to deal Frostbite DMG, the total amount determining how much base Frostbite DMG you can do.

[wind light]

the thunder lotus i mean

[wind light]

340% is a decennt ice blast dmg

[fierce light]

Thunder Lotus is pretty inferior to any of the other Lotus builds.

[hearty rivet]

I'm only at 315-ish% + freezing blast. Still need 3 more windfalls 😔

[woven ingot]

I'm trying in training. No SoulJade, no potential.
A basic attacks does 183 (or 176) damage. With 0 or 6 Ice wield, same damage. So the damage from Frostbite isn't shown?
Why the damage can be 183 or 176? I'm missing something. If I don't let a delay for the target to get back into his "rest" posture it will be 176 damage. If I wait nearly 2 seconds between attacks it will usually be 183.

[fierce light]

Frostbite DMG isn't Damage to Health. It's like a separate invisible meter.

Similar to Damage to Aegis, in that it doesn't pop up numbers on your screen.

[woven ingot]

Alright so no need for me to try to see how much of the damage it does. It goes to the Elemental bar that doesn't exists on screen, which once full does an Elemental Blast.

Ok got the answer for the two damage values from the Spreadsheet. It's not a timing thing, it depends if I'm moving or standing still. 176 dmg if standing still, 183 if moving (game being quite large with the notion of moving).

[hearty rivet]

Random question, didn't the UI show boss frosty/lightning meters in earlier versions of showdown? Can't remember if in your or other folks' videos but iirc I've seen blue / yellow mini bars next to boss health bars.

[fierce light]

No, that was a special Omen that made the Aegis of bosses especially weak to a certain element.

[hearty rivet]

Thx!

[steep patio]

Question, if I already have 1 rare on a jade and a try to recast for another one it is possible

Or is easier using a jade without a rare kne

One

[thorn narwhal]

no 2nd rare just possible with flux

[steep patio]

Just spent 300 crystals for Nothing

Thanks

[fierce light]

Believe it says so in-game when you hover over the (i) icon.

[signal kite]

this time enigma peak felt too easy all 3 cleared in 1 chance

yippie

[wind light]

which build are you using

[wind light]

yesssir

[fierce light]

If Enigma Peak consumed more fatigue, it would be reasonably farmable. But as it is currently, I can't see myself doing more than 20 a week.

Especially not with anyone running a luck build cause it's too slow

[worldly gyro]

There are 7 new lotus anima rings,3 for blue,3 gold and 1 secret lotus i guess it's time to hunt again in nirriti guys

[signal kite]

Ice mod

[fierce light]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-dad-dad-goes-to-get-milk-gif-26292225

Getting some close to 2m runs with randos on Challenge

[signal kite]

U didn't have elemental lotus before better stats than this ?

[fierce light]

Oh that one is terrible, was just showing how it has all the elemental dmg bonuses lol

[woven ingot]

I was so sure you'd go for Challenge mode 😂

[signal kite]

Ohh lol

[fierce light]

The mobs are so weak on the other one that I can't activate my element most of the time so it ends up being around the same time

[woven ingot]

I can relate, it's quite common that the skill doesn't proc an elemental blast because the mob wasn't full life, or other reasons. And then it's painfull as your skill won't come up. I end up trying to proc an elemental blast with a bow to get the skill CD back, but it's not glorious. Challenge mode felt safer with that.

[fierce light]

Yeah getting ~1:40 clears on normal, 2:10 clears on challenge, going to stick with that.

[signal kite]

screw it couldnt control myself from maxxing it

[lucid ore]

nice

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

Got plenty of time till end of season and is likely still going to be really good

So mine as well max it

[wind light]

holy trinity

[fickle linden]

Blast off!

[fierce light]

I think the Stratos Fall version will be better for mod builds.

[lucid ore]

Didn't know you can only get a rare from flux only after 1 rare on a sj already... what

Wasted so much mats

If I have 2 rare, can I try to recast the other rare to another rare?

[signal kite]

2nd one will work only with flux

[lucid ore]

so if I get.. lets say scorcing on the ice tolus build for 2nd rare, I can only use flux to reroll again

[signal kite]

Yea

If bad luck on u then u will again get scorching even after recasting scorching

[bronze wharf]

[signal kite]

Xiao Yi Xian 2E

[bronze wharf]

i recasted my frozen blast souljade since showdown season 1.0 i keep getting scorching

but my curse is over

[woven ingot]

Welcome to RNGraka😂

[lucid ore]

Feel like I've lost a whole season farming for nothing now

[signal kite]

[bronze wharf]

[lucid ore]

I thought the rate of rare stat is "low" like before season 1.0

[bronze wharf]

after introduction of Flux getting Rare is not so difficult now

[lucid ore]

spent all my flux trying to get rid of this scorhing

lol

[bronze wharf]

before showdown season 1.0 who got the Rare stats souljade player are GOD

[signal kite]

fr fr

Those traumatic days coz i didn't have a single rare in my jades

Back then

[lucid ore]

Yeah I had like 1 rare but it was so hard to even try to get good/high roll with that rare

a lot better now

Not a fan of the optimized gears removing all the defuse recovery this season tho

[fickle linden]

did the event give hero xp aka can i lvl up my matari there?

[signal kite]

They will eventually make a different content in near future from where we can farm Flux shards/jade low in quality but it will garantee u will get some if u play some ,, conspiracy theory part 1

[lucid ore]

should just make this event permanent mode tbh

45 fatigue in ~2mins with all the loading screen is godsend

[bronze wharf]

they won't because of nirriti and enigma exiting

[signal kite]

They eventually will ,, conspiracy theory part 2

[lucid ore]

I have 0 motivation farming enigma

maybe nirriti but it also get old after 50+ hours

[fierce light]

Enigma Topaz is fine, can clear that ~4 minutes solo with a good build, but Peak should consume more fatigue. I get they're probably trying to push people to buy Elixirs, but these ungodly grind times for little pay off suck.

[lucid ore]

most of my friends quit cuz they won't ever do nirriti/enigma also to increase their jades level to catch up

[fierce light]

And sense level is probably the easiest grind, so they wouldn't make it

[lucid ore]

4 mins with a good build and good skill

don't think I can ever reach close to that even with a perfect build

[fierce light]

It's not worth grinding though aside from leveling Sense more effectively once you can clear it

Then back to Nirriti's cause the drop rate is better and fatigue to time ratio is better.

[fickle linden]

what's not worth grinding?

[granite marsh]

Showdown

[fickle linden]

🧠

[lucid ore]

honestly sad but fact for most people

[granite marsh]

I'm done with 3 builds alr, literally now its just playing as a time waster or mat stockup for next season

The current event is a lifesaver

[fickle linden]

stockup now, so you don't have to play next season

[lucid ore]

I gotta finish this season build since i used too much trying to reroll for 2nd rare

[rose sky]

Can anyone tell me what does luck attribute do? What is it for?

[lucid ore]

it's mainly affect drop chance/rate I think, like more higher rarity sj

[fierce light]

Enigma Topaz

Well i guess it kinda is with Gold Keys on Trios, but I dont know how the luck affects the drops exactly

[woven ingot]

From an average player: count 8-10 min in solo once you're used to it. So it's kinda on par with Nirriti in fatigue/time spent.

[woven ingot]

You meant Enigma Peak, didn't you?
Topaz being pretty ok.

[fierce light]

Enigma Peak has a better drop rate, it just has a terrible Time to Fatigue Ratio.

[woven ingot]

And if you don't go with a premade, there is no guarantee of success.

[granite marsh]

Not as bad as last season, 2 ppl with lotus builds can carry pretty well in peak

[fierce light]

Oh definitely wouldn't farm it with randoms

Would take too long

[sullen pawn]

at least its somewhat engaging unlike the other farming places

[normal socket]

@fierce light which build would u recommend the most out of all for 2.5

[signal kite]

[fierce light]

Thunder Scorch for Yama's Abyss.

Ice Lotus for everything else.

[tacit nest]

@fierce light

know where i can get arcane

[twin ledge]

just do peak and get a jade choice

[fierce light]

Nirriti's Ruins Nightscream iirc

Don't have a dedicated chapter for it

[tacit nest]

bro im no where good enough for that

[twin ledge]

u dont need to kill al 8 bosses

u get one i think at boss 6 and 7

[tacit nest]

im bout to debatch my poison lotus and start ice

all im hearing is ice is peak rn

[twin ledge]

for trios yea

[tacit nest]

even yamas

[twin ledge]

what

[tacit nest]

people are cookin wit it

[twin ledge]

what times they got?

and some people prob isnt gonna use thunder burn the current stage since its risky

but thunder burn we can do 20 seconds on current stage

[tacit nest]

on paragon 2??

[twin ledge]

yea

ive done 34 seconds myself couldnt do any faster because of lag

[tacit nest]

on xbox network, ice lotus users are about a minute/1:30

[twin ledge]

my counters and dashes are acting funny

[woven ingot]

Half of the stages ThunderScorch is ~10 sec faster. Some stages are better for Ice Lotus.

[tacit nest]

thas what im saying

both are good asf

[twin ledge]

could be improved by like 8 seconds but i had to give up because counters wasnt registering

[tacit nest]

57 sec paragon 2 for an ice user

rn

[twin ledge]

and i would dodge a attack and it would still hit me

[woven ingot]

The question is: do you plan on a top 3/10 Yama? If yes, ok consider TScorch. If not: definitely Ice as it's top everywhere else, and also very close to Tscorch (when not better) in Yama.

[twin ledge]

missed like 2 or 3 counters that game

[twin ledge]

i got both

so if ice lotus ends up becoming better on the last stage ill use it

[woven ingot]

You do, but Fantome doesn't, and is considering which to go ^^

[twin ledge]

idk

thunder burn is prob gonna be harder for u to use

or for him i meant

since he pretty new

[woven ingot]

Thunder is only superior for top ranking most of Yama. But harder to play, more dangerous as you add a difficulty to the normal gameplay.
Hence my "The question is: do you plan on a top 3/10 Yama? If yes, ok consider TScorch. If not: definitely Ice as it's top everywhere else, and also very close to Tscorch (when not better) in Yama."

[twin ledge]

huh

ur confusing me i just said that

im out im to tired for this

[woven ingot]

No the question is for Fantome (or whoever would be considering Tscorch vs Ice/Poison Lotus). You're the one who took the question for you, but it was always intended for Fantome ^^

[twin ledge]

no i said ice lotus would be better

but if he already been working on poison with like 4 or more windfalls on it i think

but would say ice is better path for him

[woven ingot]

Ice is the easiest to play, well Poison only asks for one more Aegis Break or something like that I think. Ice got a downside tho, you freeze yourself from time to time.
Depending on your luck it can be simply a loss of time, or ... I don't have fond memories of getting frozen when Manticore starts a breath 😂

[twin ledge]

well freezing urself is a easy fix tho

would only say this about tarka freezing

it seems his skill wont negate it use to be able to idk what happened

just have to save ult for perfect time to negate for tarka

[woven ingot]

I stopped bothering with permantly looking at my Ice elemental bar and keeping my skill 4-8 sec when it's close to max to get ready for using my skill. I use it when it's its time to be cast in the rotation and happens what happens.
In the end my damage is better, and my survival too as I'm watching what the boss is doing, not how close the bar is to the max.
But that's a me thing, I get what you mean.

[twin ledge]

well if ur using yueshan u dont need to worry about looking at ur bar

can get his ult fast enough

[woven ingot]

Why?

[twin ledge]

u do 2 first stage charges then skill like 4 or 5 times

u already have ur ult

or 3 to 4 times

[woven ingot]

All transformations (Yueshan, Tianhai, Feria) are immunte to frost/stun etc. right?

[twin ledge]

yea it resets it after coming out it

[woven ingot]

That's quite confortable ^^

[twin ledge]

unless there is a omen that appys it idk if that stays

ill have to check

[woven ingot]

But in any case they gain immunity during the transformation, which is nice.

[twin ledge]

and tbh i dont think should use feria ult

that thing is so useless now

[woven ingot]

Damage seems ... quite low. I only play Feria in Nirriti farming, and never use the ult. But maybe I missed something.
The team damage buff is nice, but doesn't seem to be worth her personnal non damage in ult form.

And Tianhai felt the same to me.

[twin ledge]

tainhai is getting for healing u

since it fully heals ur hp

u just ult and cancel that right away

[woven ingot]

Yeah it's more the panic button when something went bad and you got that life savior.

But in term of damage against bosses it feels ... not worth it.

[twin ledge]

both ults were decent and could be used in alot of strats in trios yama

but we stuck with solo yama's that i find no fun in

[woven ingot]

Terrible skill and terrible ult. Poor Tianhai ^^'

[twin ledge]

they need to bring trios back

woah tianhai skill is pretty good tho

it helps with chain attacks

and can count as a counter

[woven ingot]

I meant in PvE.

[twin ledge]

oh

[woven ingot]

Of course Tianhai in PvP is a top pick in trio mainly.

[twin ledge]

wait showdown it can counter too

[woven ingot]

But for PvE ... maybe i missed the point, but his skill feels terrible to me.

[twin ledge]

its pretty good if used right

since his counters will lock u in place alot u can use skill

[woven ingot]

I only used it a few time against Yushan afaik, and she still hit me through it. Felt super good, for once i was pressing the button.

[fierce light]

Poison Lotus takes more effort to play than Ice Lotus

[twin ledge]

yushan relys alot off ur ping

[fierce light]

Aside from Yueshan (cause his Ultimate hits hard) and Viper (cause of her low accumulation) though, I'd say Poison Lotus is comparable on everyone else

[twin ledge]

u tried poison yueshan yet?

[fierce light]

Suffers from similar issue as Viper, takes too many charged attacks.

Two vertical charges and ability even with Arcane Thunder

[twin ledge]

dam

[fierce light]

The ultimate is fine though

[tacit nest]

same with yoto

ults cracked

that skill is ehh

[woven ingot]

When in Ult form on Yueshan, do people use charged LMB/RMB or normal attacks?

[fierce light]

Charged attack does slightly more DPS, but leaves you open to interruption or missing entirely.

[woven ingot]

I see. 1300 vs 1500 dps, so pretty close, but charged being more risky in a way.

[fierce light]

If boss preps to throw a blue, you can't stop it to parry either

[woven ingot]

I didnt tested, he can't jump/dodge to cancel when in Ult form?

[fierce light]

No dodge, not sure if you jump though

[woven ingot]

For Tessa the best dps would be to use her Aegisbreak (when playing Ice Lotus at least), but timings and accumulation make the best rotation being Skill -> 2nd charged V -> Anim cancel -> 2nd charged V. I asked about Yueshan in case there would be something similar, timing and accumulation values making one choice way better than the other.

[twin ledge]

Yueshan?

[woven ingot]

Yeah when in Ult form, you can cancel the charging attack?

[twin ledge]

If so that’s what I was doing to cancel certain stuff and use my skill faster

Idk about canceling it to counter tho

[woven ingot]

So you can't dodge to cancel, but can jump instead? Good to know.

[twin ledge]

Yea i just jump after using skill and charge so i can release another attack faster

Sorry really tired can’t type right lol

[woven ingot]

No worries, it was understable enough before correction ^^

[bronze wharf]

@signal kite

[woven ingot]

And in most fights you use the Ult pretty much on cooldown, no reason to wait for the boss to be aegis broken or specific situation?
I mean in general, if boss is close to break you'll wait, if it's something like Manticore you can keep it for ignoring the breath or the 50% hp animation.

[woven ingot]

ahah. Doing a res during that Speedrun should award an achievement.
And usually even if you manage that miracle, it ends like you had: the guy resurrected dies instant, or you do, or both 😂

[hearty rivet]

Despite suffer no demon has the same drop rate as nirriti, I get soooo worse loot from it (which is pretty much an achievement) 💀

[fierce light]

Yeah pretty much everything you do in his ultimate is a dps upgrade.

[signal kite]

Hahaa

[fierce light]

Hopefully they rework Feria's Ultimate, cause having to charge it up with the machine gun sucks

[signal kite]

The F should launch a heavy missile like the way yueshan ult work ,, conspiracy theory part 3